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May and our guests tonight from Bigfootsouth dot com. The author of Bigfoot South,
mister Chester Moore. Chester, thanks for joining us tonight here in the
show. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Folks. Chester's
not new to the bigfoot field. He's been around for a long time,
just like myself. We started off as younger men with a little less gray
and a little less facial hair. But Chester's taken it to actually get into
wildlife journalism and really made a career out of all this. Aside from the
cryptozoology part, Chester, You've really turned this into a quite an adventure for
yourself. Yeah. I started doing this when I was nineteen. The wildlife
journalism part meaning writing for back then newspapers, but magazines, books, radio
shows, podcast and doing lectures all around the nation in the world. I
love wildlife, fishing and hunting and conservation, and the Bigfoot thing fits in
the middle of that because it involves the mysterious. And as a journalist,
I mean that's kind of what we like to do, is chase stories,
and this is a pretty big one. Yeah. It's a pervasive story,
that's for sure, one that has not been solved, regardless of how many
people say it's a hoax or it doesn't exist chester, they just can't.
As much as we can't prove it, they can't disprove it either. Yeah.
I think that's the thing. I heard it said one time that all
it takes is one siding to be real, one account to be real,
for this to be a real phenomenon. And I'll always try to keep that
in the back of my mind when I listen to people tell them their stories,
and you know, in your researching, I think it's just one that
was real. This is still the biggest wildlife story in the history of the
world. Yeah, I think that's a John Green quote. It probably is.
I've read everything he ever wrote. I mean, Sasqua Stads among Us
is my is my basic guide to the big Foot world. Still to this
day, so well, it's the book that got me hooked. I was
nine when I read that book, Chester, and it created a It just
it put me in that space that, man, this is something I really
need to pursue because you know, as you even state in your book,
at that point in time, we just thought this was something that you know,
existed in the Pacific Northwest, right. It didn't. It wasn't a
nationwide or worldwide phenomena. The information wasn't out there like it is today.
And until I read his book and I read the chapter Eastern Action and realized
that settings were happening in my home state of Pennsylvania, that really kind of
wet the appetite for me to really get going. So I started my field
where, you know, research early back when the Internet was in its infancy,
there was the virtual Internet, Bigfoot Conference, right, and places you
could connect I guess a little bit maybe not as safe as the Internet today.
I don't want to say that, but it was a different time.
But the information just wasn't there like it is today. And that's really changed.
Yeah, for sure. The information thing has gone into hyperspace. And
I remember just thinking that, you know, even like Grover Krantz when and
I talk about this in my population Dynamic chapter in Bigfoot South, he gave
bigfoot population estimate by acreage and he only mentioned you know, Oregon, California,
Washington, and British Columbia. You know, he mentioned the Pacific Northwest.
And so when you think about that, you have guys who are like
the you know, the apex guy at the time. But for me,
it was the legend of Boggy Creek that turned me on to the idea.
Because I'm a pretty smart little kid, and I'm looking at a map in
falc Arkansas's round that corner of Texas Louisiana, Arkansas, and I'm like,
hey, if that thing's a bigfoot, why wouldn't there be one over here
in the lone Star state. So it always had it at the back of
my mind they might be here, But it took a while. It just
seemed that Bigfoot was there and they couldn't be here. If it was here,
it might be something else. I mean, that was kind of the
early thought process, right, I mean, it was kind of evolved into
its own creature. You have the skunk ape in Florida, right, was
it a derivative of that and yeah, and I mean in your book also
you have a chapter dedicated to Faro apes Phara the primate population, which Baker,
that's kind of what you've based a lot of your sasquatch theory on.
Right, so you address it is a good book, folks, Bigfoot South
dot com. You can pick up a copy. I got mine a couple
of weeks ago. It's a good read. It's not volume miss, it's
the perfect length chester for for the for the reader. That's and I think
that's important too. We can't all be John Green's right and write and I
don't want to be. I think about poor John Green writing that book with
the internet, all of the the all the interviews, he had to either
call someone or go to their house. And so my thing is to give
it indigestible form that it's going to entertain people and be fun to read.
It's going to have a message of you know, so maybe some unique things
that a lot of people aren't talking about, and then all so tie it
into the love of nature that we have, you know. So that was
kind of my theory on doing the book. So jes you, God,
Sasquatch saved some among us? Was there a personal encounter of yours that sparked
your interest in sasquatch. Yeah, you know, like I got into it
and I was real little. I mean, I'm fifty. So this was
in the era of you know, Sid and Mardy Croft, Bigfoot and wild
Boy. This was in the era of the Patterson Gimlin image being everywhere,
and then the legend of Balky Creek. And my dad had a copy of
the Argusy magazine that had the Patterson Gimwin you know, picture on the cover
and the whole expos on it. And I remember seeing that and then the
legend of Balgie Creek, and I was so into it. But I had
an encounter. That's it's the very first part of the book that I didn't
realize was most likely a big foot creature until years later. But I'll connect
to the dots for me. When me and my dad were rabbit hunting and
my aunt's property, it's legal to hunt rabbits a night with little headlamp and
texts, and we were down on this creek bottom. I had my little
seers in a single shot four ten and Dad had a twelve gage. My
aunt and uncle were walking on the other side of the property. We would
hunt and just split the property and meet down on this creek bottom and kind
of covered the whole property. And this thing was letting out this sound that
was unlike anything mean I you know, it was like ten or eleven.
I never heard anything like that in the water actually on television. It was
bizarre. And I was like, Dad, what is that? And I
noticed everybody around me, who were adults with bigger caliber weapons, were nervous.
And that must be when the Uncle Bill's bulls hung up in the fence.
And I'm like, well, why don't we go help it out?
Now? We better get out of here, you know. And this thing
was going nuts. It was vile sound, you know. So I kept
bugging my dad and bugging my dad. He goes, well, you know,
it might be a bear, because bears the time were extirpated from this
part of Texas, but Louisiana had a remnant population on the border. I
bought that until I was twenty years old and started working with captive bears.
Didn't sound remotely like a bear, so I can I don't remember a lot
of dates. If I remember August the twentieth of two thousand and me and
my dad and I got named Bobby Hamilton, who founded the Gulf Coast Bigfoot
Research Organization. I went with him on an investigation and we checked out this
place near Livingston, Texas, and not a whole lot happened. We were
sitting around a campfire basically listening with you know, devices, listening that night,
and we heard this really weird thing, a moan, really scary moan,
actually, at about ten o'clock over here, and then about midnight the
moan is right here, and then about two o'clock in the morning, it's
over here, same kind of sound, but it was one of those things
you like, I don't know, it was kind of far off. Me
and Dad had two hours to drive home, Bobby an hour four o'clock.
And when we're done and we get pack all our crap in the truck,
and the same sound me and dad heard at my aunt's property came out of
the bushes. And my dad looked, turns around and looks at me with
his eyes like this and goes, that's what we heard at Anne's property when
you were little. And it went crazy. And I had just been in
Venezuela like eight months earlier, fishing for peacock bass on a journalistic expedition and
I had messed with a holler monkey. This was a very haller monkey esque
sound, and this thing let out whatever reason, I decided that this haler
monkey was getting my nerves. It wouldn't shut up, so I growled at
it. I did one growl and it started. It did one growl.
I did two. It did too well. This thing did the same exact
thing I did one. It did one. I did two. It did
two, but on the second one another one called out behind it grunt.
So there were two animals. There were two whatever these things were there.
And then on the third it built itself into a frenzy, and I mean
a guttural, deep frenzy, and at the very end was a long yell,
and the yell had a growl but like a scream in the middle of
it. It was like both at the same time and the closest thing I've
ever heard to the most of the sounds we heard that night were some of
the Sierra sounds that Ron Moorehead recorded, not the talk stuff, but the
guttural stuff. It gets overlooked that sound like that, and it was intense,
and that moment in my life. I go, this is real,
this is real, and I went and spent two grand I didn't have on
night vision the next morning. So that was kind of what got me into
doing the field research part of it, you know. And then then it
was something I could not not look at that had to be something different to
experience sh you know, you know the sounds that come out of the woods,
really out of the area, and to just be struck by a sound
that you really can't identify, especially with your background and you know, spending
a great deal of your time in the woods as a younger man. I
guess even now as an adult, it's still it still gets you. It
still triggers that primal instinct of kind of flight or fight of what's going on,
Like I got to get to the bottom of this, but it's scary
as hell. It was really intense, and I'll never forget my dad going
that's what we heard at hand. So that connected dots through that told me
there was a story. You know, it's two hours away from where we
heard the other thing, but same region, same habitat pine forest, mixed
at hardwood bottoms, and there was a pattern here. And then when the
thing sounded kind of Howard monkey esque, and it responded the same way that
a Howard Monkey did eight months earlier in Venezuela. That told me, whatever's
making that noise is a primate. And so that really made me very much
interested because a pattern had formed, a couple of patterns had formed, and
as a journalist, that's what I'm always looking for it, So how you
put a story together? So that and plus just in the freaking intensity of
it, you know, it was like it was insane. You know,
my dad was about my age now and this is my age now when that
happened, and you know, he no, he might have been he might
have been few years old. He's about fifty five afty six when it happened,
and I mean it freaked him out. You know, Like my dad
loved this stuff, but like he's gone now. But like if we were
out doing research and we heard something, the campfire would get way big all
of a suddenly. It was like, you know, it was He's the
ultimate campfire builder. But it was one of those things. And you say,
it gives you a perspective when you interview someone or talk with someone that's
had something that's really intense happened. It gives you that perspective to go,
Okay, I get it, you know, so let's just hear him out,
you know, Chester from what I'm getting from you, you know,
there's two different categories in the Bigfoot research. There's the WU and then there's
the APIs. I'm putting you in the APIs category, and I'm kind of
assuming that's where you would go. You know what, I'm gonna give the
honest answer, I don't know, I don't know. I think Okay,
I don't know. I don't know. I think it flesh and blood real,
I'll give you that much. And it's a primate and it makes a
whole lot more ape like stuff than human. So it's probably probably probably where
I would fall for sure. Yeah, but uh, you know, do
I think there's something extra with these It could be possible, but from what
I experienced, very very ape like primate like behavior that matches but not exactly
like no primates. No, but it's similar enough to make that correlation to
go, yeah, it's reasonable to say that, you know, primate does
this type of activity. It's very possible that these creatures do the same,
similar activity, not exactly because each animal is different as well as you would
know. You know, there are similarities in other creatures that kind of replicate
similar behaviors, but they're a completely different animal altogether, exactly. Henry Baker
questions Before I go on, I add a question for Chester as far as
your position on killer or no kill? Are you still pro kill or you
modify that bit? Well, I figured this would come up, but I'll
say this, there will not be one proven until there's a dead body somewhere.
I just don't see it scientifically possible. And the reason I say that
is this isn't some subspecies of woodpecker that we know exist. This is something
that's a paradigm changer. So there will have to be a body, live
or dead. Here's my position. I no longer engage in any activity unless
it will be self defense. And there's a couple of reasons behind that.
The first was self preservation. If someone shoots one of these, and if
you're listening, think about this, your life may be over. I know
people who've shot legal abundant game in Africa and had problems with animal rights people
think about this. So I just decided it wasn't worth it for me and
my family. And the chances of it ever happening were almost zero anyway,
So I no longer engage in that. But I still think that it's going
to require a body. I just don't see how it won't. I could
understand that. I mean, we've had this discussion multiple times. I don't
think if the body's found, it's either going to be accidentally sure as I
accidentally found the body and then I could prove it because it was there when
I came back, or accidentally hit it with my car. Now, I've
always believed that it's not going to be a research group or a researcher that
minds it. It's going to be some old lady high on Sheardonay, driving
home, and she problem and she tries to Harry and Henderson into the back
of the are and then yeah, then she brings it to some animal,
She brings it to some animal shelters, and then it becomes a news story.
I don't think it's gonna be. And don't get me wrong, I
think some of our researchers are phenomenal. Sure, I don't think any of
them are ever going to back Bigfoot. You know, I don't know it.
Probably my chance would just be someone who's hunting and shot one and got
scared, or a road kills probably a pretty high level of that, or
you know, the chances of the one just finding one laying there dead is
almost nil, I think. But it would have to be something like a
road killer or somebody shooting one or or whatever, or someone like, you
know, something raiding someone's chicken coop and they just shoot a bunch of lab
a bunch of shells back there and go the next morning there's a dead bigfoot
laying there, and what do I have, you know, and you know
that kind of stuff, and so yeah, probably so, But I still
think it will require more than just a piece of DNA to oh yeah,
there's gonna be a whole bony in consider it as species, you know,
because of what we're dealing with, you know, right, I agree that
I think it has to be a civilian discovery instead of a governmental and I'm
not talking federal, I'm talking you know, local government, an incible government
and state government discovery. If it's a civilian discovery of a carcass of whatever
sort, even if it's decayed for a period of time, I think that's
where most of the evidence will come to the service. Otherwise it may just
get buried under a governmental umbrella of swords. Yeah, you know, and
that's a really easy rabbit hole to go into. What's happened with Putent I
talk a little bit about my book what potentially has happened with carcasses and things
before. I think if someone does get a carcass, there will be a
very short window to make it to media in time before some and happens with
that thing. You know. I think there's a there's a there's but that's
probably the most likely reason for I know this. I work with wildlife officials
around the globe all the time, and I don't think there are a lot
of conspiracies to hide stuff. I just think there is a narrative that anything
that doesn't help us get grants and make us money, or that might be
controversial, or that might be controversial to us and cause us heat, We're
just don't We're just gonna ignore it. It's not there, you know.
I've seen it with mountain lions and other stuff, which is ridiculous because mounta
lions are in native to much of Tanada, all below forty eight and all
the way down to Patagonia. I mean, why wouldn't we admit there are
mountain lions east of you know, I thirty five in Dallas, Texas,
you know. But it's so if that can be heat and controversy, come
on, man, a you know, an eight foot tall primate that looks
kind of like a dude. That's going to cause a entirely different level of
that. I feel attacked Chester and being in wildlife journal? Has the Bigfoot
and being attached to Bigfoot impacted any of your professional endeavors? You know,
It's a great question, because I was nervous to talk about it in the
beginning, you know. And I still don't go around like I'm not you
know, I don't preach the gospel of Bigfoot. I just still talk about
it. But I haven't had any reduction in my career, you know,
I mean, any less pay I'm making just because the business I work in
shrinking. But it's I've never lost a job that I'm aware of because of
it. I'm still doing what I was doing. And I think some of
it's because I'm a relatively sane, rational guy talking about this stuff. I'm
not talking, I'm not looking, you know, talking about meeting the ghost
of Richard Nixon and Elvis in a UFO talking to Bigfoot. You know,
I'm talking about what people are seeing, you know. But I did have
a funny story about this. I've only had a couple of people in my
business bring it up. I've had a lot of readers bringing up like I'll
be at a sports show, a fishing show, and I have a lot
of people ask about it there. And I had a few jackasses ask a
couple of dumb questions. You know that's expected. But I had a guy.
Yeah, I had a guy walk up to me one time and say,
man, it's a writer. We have we found a bigfoot tracks out
behind the hotel. If you want to go get some plaster. And this
is before I was walking with the Lord. So I gave him some stone
cold Steve often hand signatures in his face literally and walked off. And the
guy follows me into the elevator. And I'm going to do what you want.
I don't, you know. I just I'm not someone who operates in
dishonor I don't go even somebody I like radically disagree with, I would never
like go mess with him or dishonor just the culture I've created for our family,
you know. You know. He gets in and he starts telling,
I don't know about no big fields. I saw this weird thing in south
Newton County, Texas. And I'm like, where, because that's where I
done most of my research. And he knew he lived in Dallas, which
is four and a half five hours away. So he tells me a story
of going to his buddy dearly is an opening weekend in southern part of Newton
County and coming across the sign that says Nichols Creek and on the cover of
Bigfoot South, there's this grayish looking bigfoot in his little sign and says Nichols
Creek. There's a reason for that. So I said, come on,
keep talking, and he said, we left about midnight to get there about
five point thirty at camp and get ready to go out and eat breakfast and
get ready to go out to the stands. And I just woken up and
I'm in the passenger and I look over and standing on the white line about
to cross the road is this thing. It's about five and a half six
feet tall, gray, and it had haroll over except on its face,
and the face kind of looked like maybe like some kind of an ape human
bok thing. I said, Hut on a second, Bigfoot's funny and mockable
to you, What the heck do you think you saw? And I'll never
forget the answer. It's the greatest answer I may have ever gotten in my
life. I thought it might have been some kind of weird wolf, I
said. I said, so, we have bipedal wolves walking around, and
that's cool, but Bigfoot's mockable. Now. What I didn't him was I
already had two other reports in front of the same sign over a course of
ten years by people. One of them was before the internet, really was
a factor of a gray colored bigfoot. And as I'm finishing Bigfoot South shameless
plug bigfootsuth dot com, it's for sale now, a lady sent me a
message on Facebook, who lives in Newton County thinks sir, and she wanted
me to come check her property out. And at the end of her message,
and when I was on a trip, I couldn't get to it.
The very last message, do you think it's possible there are gray bigfoots?
And a relative of hers saw a gray colored bigfoot crossing a road, not
on a Nichols Creek sign, but about three miles as a crow flies in
the same set of woods, so patternformed and that was probably my biggest story
of anyone in the industry saying anything. And you know, like I don't.
I think some people, a lot of people into Bigfoot are so blown
away by the fantastic nature that they just don't know how to act around people.
They don't know that. People just want to do whatever. I let
people bring Bigfoot up to me. I don't have to because they flip the
channels too long. They're gonna see my mug on some bigfoot show. They
run those things all the time, and people are going to talk about it.
So I talk about that level. But I don't. I don't.
It's not the most important thing in the world. I mean, I know
that's gonna hurt some feelings, but there are other things that are more important
than sass watch on the planet. And I love the topic and I love
to talk about it, but I don't. I don't get up in people's
face about it. You know, I have to commend you on that two
things. I think your answer to the question was brilliant, you know,
thank you. I'm a sane person. Right. I'm a professional person myself.
Chester people know I do Bigfoot. Like you said, it's not the
driving factor in my life. It's one hell of a good hobby. I
love it. But in my day today, anybody that's ever mocked has always
sat down and left with a better understanding of why I research. Right,
it's an educational tool. Yeah, like, yeah, it might be funny
haha to them until you talk and find out why. When you talk to
that everyday person, a doctor, lawyer, who had a sighting of something
they can't explain, it's not so funny to people at Eman. Yeah.
Right, And that's a great hah. That's an incredible point, Sean,
because another reason that I continue to do this is the work that me and
my wife do with hurting children. We have a ministry outreach. Our goals
to bring the love of Christ to hurting kids to wildlife encounters, and we
have done numerous bigfoot expeditions. And I don't want to hear some high and
mighty elitists, you know, squashing down the idea of bigfoot because they have
lesser brain cells, or because there's some kind of ego and hurting that little
kid who dreams big and wants to go look for something to interest them.
That's where it makes me mad. And so I think that this topic obviously
probably represents a lot of the child in all of us, which is a
good thing. I mean, I have grown up yet, you know,
right, and you know, I don't want to I've seen it. It
sucks and and I pay my bills and I do what I gotta do,
but I still have a yearning for this. And I think that's a great
point about when you sit down and talk to people that most people will at
least come that's that's kind of that's kind of interesting, you know, or
or what happens. I've I've noticed this too. I had the one guy
who you know, had the I went off on when to headle look that
way now. But I have had a couple of people like just pull me
aside to like a fishing ear sport hunting show, right, and they'll go
and I know when they pull me aside what they're about to ask. I
just know, and they'll tell me some story they would never dream going public
with, you know, Like, I don't know if you think this is
real, but I saw this big shaggy thing about seven feet tall with the
reddish brown hair crossing the road in front of you know, wherever. And
I'm like, yeah, that's that's very interesting. Get details from them.
And I think sometimes us treating other people with respect about it, it's just
as important, you know, absolutely, And guys Baker hold that thought.
We have to take our break. It is nine twenty eight, folks.
You're listening to the Sasquatch Experience Monday, April. First, this is not
an April fool's joke. You're listening to the Sasquatch Experience for Chester Moore,
Shawn Forker, James Baker, Vince Nes met Henry May. And we'll be
back right after this new Steve A. Simbon Ah. Yes, the day
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I apologized everybody. This is the Bigfoot Bullhorn. Happy Monday night to
you all right here on the Sasquatch experience. Well, hopefully that's a problem
that's going to get handled anyway. Let's do it. We're here for you
know, on the bullfoot Bullgarn. The BFRO, or as I like to
say, BUFFRO, had a investigation of a recent sighting of a sasquatch like
creature north of Centralia, Washington State. According to one witness who was riding
motorcycles with his friend and three and a half year old son on a motorcycle.
Okay, I bet he had his own motorcycle back on February fourth,
the group spotted something running across the ridgetop about a half a mile away.
Quote. It was very large, human shaped. The man reported to the
BFRO there was one color team slash brown. Well that's two colors, but
moving across a very rugged terrain, making a beeline for the trees. The
three of them watched the figure for about thirty seconds before it went out of
sight. It moves so fluently with little arm movement, unlike a human being
running. The witness said. It easily was ten feet tall for us to
be able to see it from that distance. The witness reported the sighting to
the BFRO on February eighth, investigator Scott Taylor followed up with his investigation.
Taylor said that that area is well known for bigfoot sightings and seems to be
traveled corridor between the Capitol Forest and Bald Hill area. Based on the description
of the way the creature walked and its speed across the terrain, I believe
that these three witnesses were fortunate to see a sasquatch. Another investor, GA
we all know Matt Moneymaker, also talked to the witnesses at length. Moneymaker
noted that Fester's hobby is motorcycle trail riding, which has allowed him to explore
a lot of backcountry. He has observed large animals and humans near and far
while riding around the hills over the years. This figure was observed at about
a half a mile distance, but with that unobscured view as it moved along
an open area, both he and the riding companions were certain they were watching
something that was upright and roughly ten feet tall. Now, Moneymaker said,
if the figure was human, the witness and his friend what have figured that
out? The figure they saw was simply too big to be human. Lenny,
please again, I apologize for my brother's irrehensible behavior. The investigator points
out that that wildlife naturally transits between the mountains of the Olympic Peninsula and then
the Cascade Mountains. And this is the first sasquatch sighting listed for Lewis County
on the BFR website. When we come back, very disappointing announcement. You're
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out, and a desire to see karaoke and play all night. Rouse of
strip pok or through their dare and naked twister. Warning. The consumption of
alcohol may make you think you're whispering when you're not. Is a major factor
in dancing like a retard. May cause you to tell your friends over and
over again that you're in love with them. Also may cause you to think
you can sing. Alcohol may lead to believe that ex lovers are really dying
for you to telephone them at four in the morning. Alcohol may make you
think you can logically converse with members of the opposite sex without spitting. It
may create the illusion that you are tough for smarter, faster, and better
looking than most people, and it may lead you to think people are laughing
with you. Alcohol may cause pregnancy, and it also may be a major
factor in getting your ass kicked. So what are you waiting for? Stop
hiding and start living with tequila? What are you kidding me? I understand
that it's April Fool's Day, but come on now, October fourth and fifth
of this year, the Hanobia Bigfoot Festival and Conference in Hanobia, Oklahoma has
been canceled, and it was canceled by Artie Carnes and the Kyamiche Mountain Christian
Mission. Ah. You know, at some point on the Sasquatch Experience,
I'm sure we will talk about the Hanobia events that happened that created this festival
in conference to continue talking about it. I do not understand what the politics
is involved here, but unfortunately this is not an April Fool joke. Thanks
again for listening to this edition of the Big Football Horn right here on the
Sasquatch Experience, and of course, as always I'm there we meet again.
Keep your toe in the mind. We here at the Sasquatch Experience do not
condone the use of tequila as once again our editor must have fell asleep at
the wheel tonight. Good evening, folks, welcome back Sasquatch experience. I'm
Sean Forker, James Baker, Henry may Vince and has bitten our guest Chester
Moore. Guy. We had a great first half of the show. Vance.
Thank you for that entertaining big foot bull horn tonight. I appreciate that,
buddy, mm hmmm. And the bathroom as we say, well,
that's what already belongs. He was really stinking up the joint tonight. Hey,
that the NUBI Bigfoot conference. That's that's news to me. I'm glad
you brought that up, fools Brook. I was one of the speakers and
got a faceboot message about that it may still be going on. So it
does. I hope it does, because Chester keep us posting, Yeah,
I'm gonna speak this year, and I gotta I got an email. It
looks like it's it's a good chance it's still gonna go on. They didn't
get much more details than that, but that's a little caveat I can add.
Right there there you go, breaking news right here after the bullhorn.
So thank you Chester. See we can we bring you up to the latest,
folks, we keep our commitments to you on that. So Baker,
before we went to break, You're gonna ask a question. Go ahead,
pick up where you left off, buddy. No, I think it was
more of a statement and kind of what he was already talking about. He
says, you know, that's the one thing you make a valid point about
people you meet about the Bigfoot, the people that make fun of you and
things like that, or try to make life more difficult. The opposite of
what I see a lot is and I saw some this weekend, and I've
seen some of the other conferences are as the like I call him almost street
preachers, Like they're just like that. You have to believe exactly what they
say or they just keep jamming it down your throat. That's got this has
got to be a stick formation. And you see what you're like, No,
no, I don't. And they mad. And those are the people
that make it harder for us to research into a lot of those. I
look, I'm a very non drama person. I don't mind confrontation. I
don't ever look for it because I look at like this scene on Tombstone,
my favorite movie. You know, Johnny Ringo wants to fight wid at Ear
if he says, I'm not going to fight you today. There's no money
in it, you know, so unless there's a cause for me to argue
with someone or like, hey man, this stick formation have to be two
bigfoots setting up a territorial corridor. Cool, glad you believe that? By
I don't, I don't really, I don't really fight it because I don't
care, honestly. I mean, if they want to think that, But
the ones that get in your face about it, I'm like, I'll just
it's called delete. They're in block cause if they're going to be that.
My theory is if someone is going to be so dogmatic, not only dogmatic,
but like intense in your face about something that we haven't even proved to
exist on a scientific level yet to where they're like in your face and you
suck because you don't believe in it, delete block. I don't need that
in my life. That's just kind of kind of how we to live.
You know. I'll be nice to everybody, but if you become get in
my face about something that's stupid, by see ya Cinara, you know,
right, and to take off what you were saying Baker, like, when
you've been here a long time, you know, these aren't new conversations that
have been had. These kindation that going on from the beginning, and nobody's
proven anything yet exactly to Chester's point, like, but we've heard people trying
to make hay out of this stick formation since we started. You know,
really someone brought them up. I like Chester before we went on the air.
It was funny, how like, up until twenty five years ago,
nobody was talking about things like wood knocks and stuff, and all of a
sudden, somebody says it takes it on and it becomes the gospel of behavior
for these things. But when you go back and I don't recall it now,
the sounds we've had for forever. But like the tree knocking, Like
I don't recall that in any of the early literature of the books. I
could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I don't recall
that. Henry, do you recall when tree knocking became a thing. I'm
trying to remember. I don't believe I believe I ever read about any book
before like nineteen ninety five. Yeah, yeah, it's it. I don't
remember it being like Bigfoot casebook or you know, Lauren Coleman's books or any
of that early stuff like that. It may have been in there and we
missed it. I mean, I think it's good chance it's part of the
phenomenon. I've certainly heard that myself. Not a lot, but I've heard
things that were like that wasn't in limb cracking, you know, but that
that, and like just certain other things being in the vernacular of the phenomenon.
It has made it a lot harder to research because everyone knows every they
know the talking points. It's like, yeah, man, they no longer
just say, you know, hey, I saw this thing. You know,
I was I was in my deer stand and this thing come and stood
behind this tree about seventy five years art and kept looking out behind the tree
that I just saw this shadow move through. It had this certain shape.
Now you get well, you know, I found this travel corridor and there
was a stick pointing this way and another stick going this way. And then
at that night I heard this particular sound in the background, and I heard
a whoop, and I heard the samurai chatter. And you know, it's
hard to sort through all of that so much because of It's like you could
as an interviewer, and you guys as well, I can really easily if
I wanted to guide a conversation somewhere, you know, you can, and
sometimes just better to just let people talk. And I've even had a particular
situation where someone was going like, I mean, they give me every single
thing you've ever heard of on a big foot television program in like three minutes,
you know, and I just said, okay, let's just start.
Let's leave all that stuff out. What did you see? Because it was
a sighting thing they saw, and they told me this thing that they saw.
I said, where did this other stuff come into this equation of the
sighting? And they were like, well, I just remembered stuff that I
had seen in that woods and things like that, and that could be valid.
I said, but let's stick with the one thing we know for sure
is related to your sighting, and that's what and saw with your eyes.
And then they just kind of calm down about it. You know. I
think sometimes people are wanting to they're so nervous about telling the story that they
want to fill in the blanks with anything that might give them back up evidence
to a bigfoot research. You know, I think you make a really good
point with that, Chester, And as we've talked about this in the past,
is oftentimes, as investigators researchers, are we leading the witness to where
we want them to go, not are we listening for where they need to
take us? And and like you said, pulling back and slowing it down.
It's a fundamental issue I've had for a long time and I've seen it
in countless situations where I've been along with somebody interviewing someone where they're giving the
narrative to the witness without even realizing it, like you're coaching them on.
And it's there's not a lot of integrity to that, right, whether it's
done maliciously or not. You kind of diluted your data pool. Yeah,
it's really it's it can be a tough area and something like this. It's
not like there's an associated press guide book to bigfoot interviewing, you know,
you know, like I have when I started off in my journalism career.
This is kind of what we do, you know, So I just take
basic from my and I'm sure I've made mistakes doing the same stuff, you
know, certainly not intentionally, but I try to always kind of just bring
things back to what happened, and then we can ask, we can look
at other things. And sometimes it's it's some it's sometimes it's not everything people
see is a bigfoot, you know, and and not everything they see is
a guy in a suit, and not everything as a whole as a lie.
There's something. There's other things people see. And I'll give you an
interesting one because in the other more I guess you could call mainstream work that
I do. I do a lot about like exotic wildlife, changing the landscape
of America that's out there, so much in the exotic world that is changing.
And a guy told me is thing in central Texas and he was out
on a bigfoot expedition in an area that was kind of un known for bigfoot.
I kind of had some I had some intel on the basic area within
about thirty four forty five minute drive and they've never heard a lot. And
all of a sudden he talks about this thing that came up and it moved
in a weird fashion. You could see it because if you ever use night
vision goggles, it's not like you see on the movies, you know.
And this thing really big, about six feet tall and had these weird He
said, it almost looked like these two horn things off of it. And
he said when it left this area, it just like bam, it jumped
and left. And I said, you know, there's something that's becoming more
common on ranches in that particular area, and it's a red kangaroo. And
a red kangaroo can get about five feet tall, and they're a balanced when
they move, and they're out there and they escape fences, and I know
of stuff well. And the guy went back because he said it looked like
horns and it moved really weird. He even mapped out and found there was
a property within a half mile that had red kangaroos. So crazy, we
thought he wasn't saying it was a bigfoot. He didn't know. He thought
it might have been something of other cryptid, you know, But it was
for the expedition. I'm not saying he for sure saw a red kangaroo,
but when we narrowed that down and there was a place nearby, it made
sense. You know. So people see other stuff too out there that may
or may not be bigfoot. Do you think he's still a jackalobe? I
have not seen a jackoalobe jackalobes. No, although in Duvoice, Wyoming,
they have the largest taxidermied jackalobe of all time and it is in a store
and it's all real rabbit fur. And Peter would hate it because they must
have killed three hundred and fifty rabbits to make this, you know what I
mean. It was like it was like, you know, it was you
know Chester that brings me back to because I'm old enough and being a kid
in the nineteen seventies in the morning, eating breakfast, getting ready for school
as a little kid, and mom would have the AM radio on to the
most popular news radio station in the Chicago area, and there was a report
of a kangaroo looking cryptid that was running through the area and people freaked out.
That's not something that exists here, and it terrified me as a kid,
but it terrified a lot of the residents in the area, going,
what type of creature looks like a kangaroo that's in the area in the here.
I'm sure you know now looking hindsight twenty twenty, yes, somebody could
have brought you know, a young kangaroo in and it escaped, you know,
its enclosure. But boy, let me tell you the terror that was
invoked upon the area. And we're talking, you know, damn miles.
People were terrified of an unknown creature that was in the area and and then
it was they got the weight lifter biceps in the veins through their yes,
their jazz. Right. The first time I did, we do a program
that Grant's Wildlife Encounters for children with the critical illness parental loss. Girls have
been through trafficking, kids dealing with depression. And we had some kids that
wanted to meet some kangaroos and there was a guy who had our red kangaroos
and his females all had Joey's in their pouch at the time. The females
you could walk up to im pat and you know, and then they would
eat out of your hand. The kids were freaking out. Well, there
was one big male in there, but he was way off, you know,
like an acre or so away. When the big male rolled up,
he showed those guns to us, right like, I'm not going out like
this man. And the guy goes this top of roll, you know,
and so that's yeah, there you go. I mean, they're pretty intimidating
and as solid as you are. Right, Yeah, I'm not going to
get into a fight or a kickfight with you. No, Now, I'll
choose another way to die. Thanks. Yeah. And and vocalizations are something
that I have an issue to my podcast Dark Outdoors, and I interviewed Ron
Moorehead a little bit on it, and I went through different sounds that are
known animals. And one of the things is people in the eastern half of
the US, a lot of them don't realize they are a major There have
been major elk restoration programs in Kentucky and Virginia and Tennessee and North Carolina and
all these states, and people are not used to hearing rutting elk bugling.
You know, that's pretty much something people in Colorado and Montana, wyoming O
the way up sitting northwest. So someone at their campsite has a bull they
don't know lives, are elk bugling by their tent. They may think it's
a sasquatch, all right, you know, Chester, I had a three
point thirty in the morning encounter with elk bugling in our campsite, and about
a dozen of us left cut out impressions in our tents, scrambling what the
hell that noise was we knew after the initial shock, you know, wore
off because it just happened so sporadically early in the morning. But it was
crazy. And I live up in northern PA. We have, you know,
elk herds up this way. And Matt Arner, one of our co
hosts who's not on with us tonight, we were out about two weeks ago,
three weeks ago now, and we were driving down the old roads,
dirt roads, and we just happened to be going by and I saw something
large and fur covered just out of my peripheral and I said, what maw,
what the hell was that? And he stops and we look and there's
five or six elk right alongside the road. Like we wouldn't even have seen
them. They were so still. I just happened to catch that. And
you're talking about massive creatures. Man. They are big and they got lung
powered, you know I do. And the wildlife conservation world that I got
an elk back. There's an elk right behind me. He was a former
elk, you know, he's a part of an elk. But the incredible
animals has been great wildlife conservation work to restore them on that part of the
world. As matter of fact, I just I just put in for a
non resident Kentucky elk tag, hoping it gets some elk for the more family
to last. This for beef replacement for the next year. We'll see what
happens. I think probably ten thousand others are drawn for that tag in Kentucky,
but it's you know, there's all yeah, yeah, exactly. So
like in Bigfoot South, I talk about, you know, you mentioned earlier
feral primates and escape animals and things like that. We have in Dilley,
Texas, which is south of San Antonio, an established and verified population of
Japanese macaqus. And my first encounter hearing of those was back when I was
in college bull hunting down there, and I was doing what I'm doing now
at a much lesser level. And this guy had read my column and invited
me to hunt his ranch, and he told me his story at campfire night.
He goes, you know, a buddy of mine was hunting one morning.
He was in his stand and he's in this little valley and it was
real quiet, and this crazy scream growl scream lets out, and it's really
close to him. He keeps getting closer and closer. Then he hears something
hit the stand and then a little furry hand reached inside of his opening of
the stand and it was one of those Japanese macacs. He go, they
call them snow monkeys down there, and there are I mean, I've getten,
I've gotten numerous pictures that readers have sent me of those things down there,
sitting on fence post, a guy at his deer feeder. One chase
the deer off. He has like a shot of like the deer and then
the monkey, and then like the monkey by hisself. And so you have
those recis monkeys in Florida. And I did some digging and found out about
a place called the Chimp Farm, and there were a couple of those that
were in Florida that close in the reesist monkey population an escape from there.
What was more interesting was what in the escape of that. It was the
fact that they had and this doesn't happen though they had a rangutan. They
had gorillas and lowland gorillas, I believe, and they had orangutans. And
most places outside of Azia zoos they'll get maybe a gibbon or something like that,
but they don't get like their rings and the gorillas, and so would
it been possible we know people have encountered these feral monkeys, would it be
possible, like in Florida, for there to have been a few of these
out that would make a breeding populate. Actually, actually that brings up a
point I've been saying for years, is you look at all these failed zoos,
You look at carnivals, you look at NASA, you look at Peter.
Let's go Bobo the Monkey and New York and it moves its way through
the Appalachian Trail, comes down to Florida. The swamps between Florida and Texas
are are right with these animals, animals that shouldn't be there, but the
conditions are right for them to thrive, and they're going to. And I'm
not saying that every one of them is not a Sasquatch, and I'm not
saying every one of them has to be. But you make the same ballid
points are is that we've displaced animals in such a way over the last fifty
years in the United States, even before fifty years in the United States.
But I would say, like from the Space Race to like I said,
is like you you look at all those places that were testing animals for different
things and somebody let them out. Well the company went bankrupt and they euthanized
them. No, they didn't, They just let them out. You know,
we had a it was at minks, I think it was. We
hadnk We're in a mink farm that three thousand of them escaped. They're still
looking for them. There's some all over, but some of them are slowly
moving down We're probably slowly moving down south because the weather was better, you
know, in ma mank or Native any way. So they would just integrate
to the population and give the giant population boosts of those suckers, you know.
Oh yeah and there. But like like any of these animals that we
have, we have people that come home with a bullet constructor king kobra,
and then mom goes, that's not happening, and let's out in the yard.
And then the floridas fill of cobras. Now, yeah, it gets
it gets interesting, you know. Like I do a lot of research on
the black panther phenomenon and all that as well, and I don't believe that
I think very few panther sidings are escaped exotics. I don't think they're established
leopards. I don't think that a circus train crashed. It's always a circus
tree. Apparently the least safe place to be is in a circus train.
They always yeah, right in the entire planet. And it happened to have
a female black leopard and a male black leopard and they could survive in the
wild. Blah blah blah. But the difference on the primates is you could
have a few young chimpanzees from the nineteen sixties that got out and still be
alive, and they have slower reproductive they're gonna be a lot shyer. So
a place like the Everglades, Okoch Swamp, other areas could definitely have and
harbor small breeding populations of like you know, chimps, those kind of animals.
Arranges and you know the Mayaca eight that Lauren Coleman had made famous in
his post out of Mayaka in Florida. Man if I just saw that thing,
you know, and I was in the woods or my house or that
lady saw that thing, I wouldn't I wouldn't go it's a bigfoot. I
go, my god, there's an orangutane in the yard, you know.
And I think maybe she did think it was an orangutan. I don't remember
now, but so I think you're a great point that there's some of this
stuff out there that's that's different and that doesn't fit to catch all bigfoot.
You know, all right, guys, we've reached that the show where it's
it's come to the close, chester final thoughts or promotions. Things you got
going on where the folks can find you and continue to follow you. Yeah.
So one of the things I'm doing, my buddy Paul Fazenski and I
and another friend sat there working on a project called wild Man of the Woods.
Go to the wild Man of the Woods YouTube channel. Incredible incredible documentaries
that are being done there and a new one coming out soon. Bigfootsouth dot
com get the book Bigfoot South. Also Globalbigfoot dot Com and other website of
mind. We have created a thing called the Global Bigfoot Society to help us
fund work we're doing with these hurting children doing Bigfoot encounters. And if you
sign up for that, you get these four of these really cool cards under
the style of John James Audubon. On. This is this mainly website is
mainly about everything but Pacific Northwest Bigfoot they're on there too. It's other cryptids
and the book Bigfoot South is out Bigfoot South dot com. And I will
be appearing at the falc Monster Festival. Come up, real excited talking about
feral primates at that particular festival. So excited about that. The book,
sorry, Sean, is the book, I'll go ahead on Amazon, Yeah,
it will be. It'll be available after the falconvin I'll have that ready.
I've been traveling a lot of things going to do that, and there
will be an audio version as well that's being recorded in the next week.
Cool good ye, And thank you guys for having me on asking killer questions.
And I always appreciate the opportunity to talk with like minded individuals and talk
about this fun stuff called bigfoot. Yeah, it's our pleasure. Thank you
for showing up. Yeah. Like I said, it's been many years since
we talked, so I was glad to reacquaint and get back together for an
episode. Same here man. Thank you so much again. I really appreciate
it, guys. It's our pleasure. Folks. Sean Fork. You can
find me on all social media platforms. I go by my name. I
don't hide behind a pseudonym. Baker. You can find him wherever you find
me Vance, Where can folks find you? They can find me sitting in
this chair right here in the north. What's sub verbs of Chicago. But
I'm on Instagram and Facebook. There you go, Henry, How about you,
buddy, Sinry May on Facebook? He is and folks ladies, says
Baker says he's looking for a fifth. One more final shameless promotion. Look
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And of course if you missed the announcement Friday, we'll be returning to
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live podcast. It's going to be a hell of a good time. We're
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but it's going to be more of an effort. So Henry, why
don't you go ahead and take us out with those beautiful, beautiful words.
I'll be good, It'll be good at it. There you go, folks,
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