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And it hits me, Oh my
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know, there's explanation for everything that
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involve aliens at all. It was
completely silent. It comes right over our

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heads. It's so classic Gli Sorcier. Really standing in the cleary, he

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turned over to my father and held
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eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live

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and the first one is this was
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going to contact you by email.
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at my house. Stephan, you
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work for you. I don't know
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Charles Halt the Halt respective signed book. Either one. And the second winner

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was number forty two, David B. Getting an email both of you.

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two gentlemen can make it to my
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drawing until I can find someone that
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I'm gonna do something a little different
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listen to my show. Also listen
to Open Minds and Jason, our guest

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tonight, was on Open Minds for
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a great chemistry as a duo,
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in as well. Right off the
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are you guys? Hi? Good, very good, Thank you sir,

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And we have a little practice after
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you say they can stay at your
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breakfast, right, So it's not
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regular UFO podcast where you've got to
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from the couch to make room for
someone to sleep or the couch, the

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futon or yeah, the food or
the VW you know bus in the yard.

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that the case? If that is, that's fine, I'm not judging.

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house I live in, then there's
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guest house, is h you could
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and all that. So, and
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you can see for miles and miles, which is unusual for Maine because Maine

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is has a lot of trees.
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to sit in the studio during one
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get to the live shows to work. Sounds like that. Batman's like a

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eight or something, you know,
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it in any other part of the
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you can find some really good deals. I guess that's how that worked out.

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two, let me just ask you. You two were work together for how

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many years? A little more than
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subconsciously, probably a couple of lifetimes. Lifetimes. Yeah, yeah, well

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the news and chime in and Alejandro, what do we have this week?

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which is of course what we put
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just wanted to highlight that and tell
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website. You know, we have
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who's a filmmaker who every year he
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Festival, and he'll be doing that
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on Omni, So people from Omni
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edgar Mitchell because he did some stuff
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a funny story. Nick Pope to
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ago. And back then they did
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but it's at night, and ad
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night, and it's supposed to be
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the floats, of which there are
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many lights on their float, and
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so it's not all that it could
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and yeah, but back in the
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was he said it was his first, you know kind of American parade.

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just this big smile. It was
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what they're trying to do is ask
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to live in Roswell or were affiliated
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kind of look through their photographs,
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in the attic, their chest to
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that pertains to the famous alleged crash
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cool they essentially, you know,
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old are we looking at a good
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nothing else works, you know,
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they're hoping someone will come up with
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be better than a whole picture of
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from a like like we saw unfortunately
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mummified boy or whatever it was.
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been posting a lot of triangular UFO
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that. Roger Marsh is the move
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and uh so he's been posting move
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sites, and as we've talked about
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the triangular UFO sighting seem to be
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you know, not too far.
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above the ground. An they're said
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a lot of them are are aircraft, you know, just commercial jets where

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their lights look like they're in a
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perhaps not where they say they've seen
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of a black you know, triangular
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one from Florida recently, you can
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a lot of triangular UFOs being seen. Yeah, and a lot of them

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like float or people say they float, there's no no sound and all that.

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I think that's actually a very good
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be correspondence out there, and it
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in Roswell, because you know,
situations like say, when President Abraham Lincoln

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have a lot of value. And
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with Roswell. Could have been people
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Hey, you can't believe what happened
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smoking gun, but it's it's all
all very interesting and could solidify, you

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know, things that happened a little
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mindset that many share of the pooh
poohing the old cases, because look,

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we tend to have short attention spans. It's something old. We want new

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things. We're tired of hearing about
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the same details that we've had for
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that's mysterious, and granted, not
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people like the Air Force's explanation,
and you know, as the Air Force

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a mystery as far as the Roswell
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on to material collected or information or
other things related to this case that could

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shed new light on it. Possibly, but we don't know until we look.

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You're dealing with a mystery. And
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and we don't have complete closure or
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effort to dig out more information is
good. Yeah, I do too.

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that metal, you know that has
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everyone that had kept those pieces of
little scraps of bendable metal that reformed

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when you held her out in your
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of that that could have come from
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it was. You know, that
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could be there, that's right.
It'll be fun to see what, if

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anything, they come up with,
So I certainly wish them luck. Yeah,

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was Skyship's over Cashiers. I think
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They had interviewed a woman who claimed
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friend, you know, she worked
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I can't remember which Air Force base, and she had seen some of this

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material and had described it. She
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a possibility. So those people could
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is that, you know, especially
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to your point that we don't necessarily
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you know, they showed that material
from a weather balloon. Later on

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the Air Force said that was disinformation. Now that was not the debris and

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this is according to the Air Force. So uh. And then the explanations

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of why that was done to cover
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cover up the the other balloon that
was being used for to look at listening

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on the Russians and if they're they're
nuclear testing that, yeah, which which

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people question whether or not that really
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own kind of hemming and hawing around. It has created this mystery, so

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it continues to exist. Now.
The Roswell Daily Record says if you do

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have something, you can contact them. They'll actually have a booth at the

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UFO Congress this year also, so
we'll have the roswellt Daily Record there talking

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about their event in July, and
they'll have some of their newspapers from when

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this happened in nineteen forty seven,
and so they'll be handing those out and

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other things too. Do you think
someone will turn in that stolen UFO that

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fell the flying Sauce, so that
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was discovered. Oh, it's discovered
already. That's evidence. Now what happened

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is it looked like they ditched it
on the side of the road and so

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it was more debris ufo debris.
So it was found destroyed on the side

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of the road. They probably just
checked it out of their car unfortunately.

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yeah, yeah, another cover up.

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it, I think. Yeah.
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the audience out there, check out
it was last Sunday, the date I

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think it was the eighteenth. Alejandro
was on Coast to Coast a great show,

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So the listener try to check that
out. You might be able to

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find that online or some of you
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But I thought you did a great
job. Alejandro was really good,

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really interesting. Cool. Thank you
very much. Yeah, it's great to

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talk to George Nap about that stuff, in particular because several of those stories

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having to do with like the Clinton
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he was involved with. You know, I think people George Nap is such

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an important person in this field,
someone in mainstream media who's always tackling this

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topic. And you know, it's
his organization that interviewed Hillary or at least

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asked Festa about UFO, So that
was interesting. And then also, you

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know, George Napp has been kind
of a confidant of Tom Delongs, and

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all of this information about Tom DeLong
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like that is absolutely fascinating. Yeah, and I'm sure you'll get in yeah

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right, Yeah, I was gonna
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with Jason, because Jason has interviewed
Tom DeLong and worked for him for a

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period of time. So right,
well, hey, thanks so much,

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Alejandro, and have a great Christmas. Yes you too, both of you.

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Have a greareat Christmas, all right, Yes, great Christmas to you,

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and happy Festivus, friend, Happy
Festivus for the rest of us.

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All right, take care of my
grievances later, and then we can do

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the feats of strength, yep.
And then we'll have burritos. Jason and

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I were planning on having a burrito
lunch at this time, I know,

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but we for for went is that
the word for for goaded for that burrito

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lunch in order to be talking with
you, my friend. I think that's

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very burritos for UFOs man. That's
yeah. I'm still gonna go get well,

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I'm gonna go get a burrito right
now. You should enjoy my friend,

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all right, all right, take
care, talk to you later.

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Yeah, guys, all right,
so Jason again, thanks again for being

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willing to come back and really enjoy
it. Yeah, that's all right.

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Really enjoyed our our talk. We
have some one of the things I forgot

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to do, and I'm really lucky
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check the forum there's some questions up
there in the forum. But first of

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all, for the person who this
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So for someone that doesn't know who
Jason McClellan is, please give an

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give us your background and what you
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Absolutely well. I have been in
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two thousand and eight or so,
and I was given the unique opportunity to

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work in the field full time,
not just doing it for you know,

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all day every day, but doing
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So as a salaried full time position, I served as a basically a journalist

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and researcher fully devoted to UFOs and
extraterrustrials. So was the actually the first

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first official employee, and helped in
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and kind of helped put all that
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is today, and also helped in
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helping grow that to the largest annual
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got to do a lot of great
work at Open Minds, and that was

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a fantastic experience for me and did
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we mentioned before, so really went
deep down the rabbit hole and had to

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get up to speed on everything UFO
pretty quickly because my knowledge up to that

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point was little, you know,
like a lot of people getting into the

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field. I had a casual interest, but most of my early interest was

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fonned, you know, through sci
fi. I was a big sci fi

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fan. Watched a lot of Star
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quite regularly, and I grew up
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a wonderful view of the night sky, went camping almost every weekend, and

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just you know, spent the night
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everything that could and is out there, and also seeing uh, you know,

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strange things moving through this guy and
hovering and doing weird things that I

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knew didn't really fit, uh you
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that as I understood a logic or
physics or things like that. So,

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you know, I'm a curious person
person and I enjoy exploring mysteries. So

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the mysteries of the universe have always
fascinated me, and I enjoy looking for

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for answers and exploring those things.
So you know, I've I've had an

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interesting career to this point really focused
on UFOs and extra trustrial life. And

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you know, although that's not my
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and that's very important to me and
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I launched a company called road Planet, and with my friends and colleagues Mari

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and Elsberry and Ryan Sprague, we
do quite a few things. May we

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still post regular UFO headlines, UFO
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we do a fair amount of podcasting. We started a UFO podcast. It's

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a bi weekly podcast called UFO mod
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as a roundtable discussion. And although
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already will find it interesting and you
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lot. A lot of what we
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outside that that already existing UFO community
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that. You and I have talked
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about it a couple of days ago. But you know, when you talk

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to people about UFOs and extra trustrials, it becomes more and more apparent that

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really everybody is interested in these topics, you know, in one way or

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another, they have an interest,
whether it's you know, just kind of

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a casual Oh that sounds kind of
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a UFO or something like that.
You know, everybody's got some sort of

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UFO story. Apparently it's fascinating how
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present UFOs specifically, but also extraterustrial
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make it more, I guess,
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casual interest. Present them, you
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little bits, you know, teasers, baby steps, and get them

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interested, and then through that they'll
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research and then start listening to shows
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Radio and going to UFO related conferences
and you know, really taking that next

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active step to gaining more information and
doing their own exploration. It's kind of

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weird, you know. I started
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knowledge and very it looked hardly at
all into the topic. Only for the

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reason that I had a sighting and
the sighting changed you know, everything basically,

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and I was on someone else's show. It wasn't even about UFOs or

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anything. Was actually a comedian out
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on that and brought up the sighting. He teased me about it, and

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then a few weeks later he said, boy, the show has gotten a

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lot of hits, and and he
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the topic of UFOs. And that's
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you know. And then I just
started looking heavily into the topic that was

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back in I think it was just
twenty eleven, so not too long.

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That's fantastic, And you know,
it's a great way to do it.

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I mean, I know that in
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publicly, you know, whether it's
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about UFOs. You know, a
big part of that not not is not

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only to produce content and get information
out to people so they can you know,

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digest it and do their own research
and make up their own minds about

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these things, but it's also for
me, it's a you know, a

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selfish thing. It's it's my way
of staying current with information, my way

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of you know, learning the new
things that are out there, and my

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way of talking and having these discussions
with people who are doing more research and

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are you know, personally involved in
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more and you know, contributing in
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that's my thing. Always try to
keep learning because you know, that's

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that's how That's really the best way
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don't I certainly don't have the time
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people who claim to have you know, sightings or encounters or things like that.

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So you know, just having the
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that's the best way I think to
keep yourself current with the latest research and

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to keep your mind kind of spinning
and putting things together as you're piecing the

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puzzle together. I guess that's that's
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doing. It's like an immersion into
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it deeply. And yeah, I
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Open minds. How did you find
them or how did they find you?

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So I was previously working doing Internet
marketing for another company, and the

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owner of that company expressed to me
his interest and you know, strong interest

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in UFOs and extra trusturials and told
me that he thought about starting a magazine

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and a company focused solely on UFOs
and extra trestrails. So of course that

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piqued my interest. And he knew
my background in video production and and just

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media production in general, and writing
and things like that. So we started

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talking and you know, over the
course of a year kind of put the

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pieces all together. Everything lined up
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is Open Minds, And so I
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Wow, I wondered about the right
place right time. Yeah, one

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of those one of those things.
So it was it was destiny right right

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now. We're gonna be talking about
your book right away. When I saw

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your book title, I had to
laugh because the title you see is only

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weird o cufos And you know,
I mean, that's that's kind of like

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the stigma you hear a lot.
But if you read the you know,

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you continue on in the smaller print
of the of the title and introduction to

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the public's misconception of aerial of unidentified
aerial phenomena and extraterrestrial life. That's a

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total cover. It's a great book. I've been reading it on Kindle.

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And Uh, the graphic on the
front, you said, was Caleb's.

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Uh, who was it that did
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Caleb Hanks. Caleb an amazing,
amazing artist. And uh he's a musician,

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an artist, a multi talented,
very creative person. I love him

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like a brother and we've done a
lot of things together, and he was

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my my first choice when I decided
to do a book. I knew that

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I needed him to to do the
cover, and I basically presented him with

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a very easy task, perhaps not
so easy, but a very easy description.

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Going with that, that first part, the main title of the book,

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only Weird of c UFOs. I
wanted to have art that represented that

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public misconception, that only weird of
c ufo. So I needed a weirdo

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on there, some sort of what
I told him, I said, some

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sort of hick or country bumpkin.
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cz ufo. So I think he
captured that wonderfully. And uh, Caleb,

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I believe has provided the open and
closed music for Open Mind UFO radios.

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People have probably heard his music there. He's also the brother of Micah

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Hanks. Micah Hanks is an author, has some UFO books and does the

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great Land Report, so covers a
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So and I don't know if he
still has but Caleb us appear on

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that show every once in a while
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think in the show we did before, I mentioned that I thought I heard

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Stephen Hawking say something along that life
of that line like only WEIRDO see UFO.

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So I quickly now looking on Google, and there are a lot of

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quotes that he had. I can't
find that particular one, but basically that

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it's most of his quotes are of
like silliness, like well, of course,

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I'm sure everyone out there who's ever
looked into some of the things that

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Stephen Hawking has said about extra trust
or life. One of his things was

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saying that we shouldn't be sending out
signals because you never know who's going to

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respond. You know, there's the
fear thing there. But anyway, someone

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had said also that they thought your
little graphic looked like, what is it?

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Randy Quaid? Randy Quaid, Yeah, pretty funny. Up on the

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forum, there is some questions,
as a bunch of them actually, and

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I'm going to ask you this one. As you are a podcaster trying to

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promote the subject of ufology targeting a
younger audience via UFO modpod, do you

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think there is a possibility that there
will be a lack of younger researchers coming

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through to carry on the work and
investigation of the more established senior researchers.

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and I'm glad somebody asked it.
You know, we touched on this,

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and I will say that based on
my experience over the past several years going

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to UFO and UFO related conferences,
there is an increase in younger attendance.

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And I don't know precisely what to
credit that to, but I know the

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end, like we said, the
interest is there, and the challenge is

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always how to reach those people,
how to get them interested, how to

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get them to take that next step
and come out to UFO conference, which

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isn't you know, as easy of
a sell as like a comic con or

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something like that that you know typically
would appeal to a younger person or somebody

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looking for a fun event, because
although I enjoy UFO conferences there, I

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don't know if you could necessarily label
them as fun all the time or you

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know, I mean, they're fun
to me, but they're not like your

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typical entertaining event. You know,
they're they're academic and and uh, you

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know the fun for me of course. And we talked about this too.

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I think we share this. It's
like a family reunion because you know,

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just getting together with fellow researchers and
people that you've known over the years and

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gotten to know through this field,
it's a good time to get together and

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and uh just bye. Differing different
views or views that don't don't always align,

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you still get together with that common
interest and it's it's good to have

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the dialogue that happens at those events. So not always the most conducive places

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for or appealing for people outside of
the field, but despite all that,

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you still see an increase in younger
people. I do think the interest is

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there. That's why I like to
present things on a different level, something

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that's outside the typical UFO field or
the UFO community to try to reach those

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people. I don't think there's going
to be a shortage of researchers. I

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think we will pretty quickly see a
lot of younger people taking uh the initiative

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to actively research, to contribute things, you know, whether that's new podcasts

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or or books or even new conferences. You know, we see younger and

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younger people and fresh faces appearing at
at conferences giving lectures, and that's that's

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always a good thing. But the
interest isn't going away. There are you

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know, it's a personality trait too. I think people are different, but

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there it's a certain certain mentality a
person who wants to be actively involved to

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uh take the initiative to produce something
that that contributes to to research and uh,

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you know further in the field.
So you know, you have to

409
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,519
wait for those people to emerge,
but they are emerging. We are seeing

410
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:58,839
that, and uh, I think
we'll see a lot more. So I'm

411
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,279
not I'm not worried about euthology dying
off at all. With with as our

412
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:08,240
older researchers go, I'm you know, there's there's big panic among some people

413
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:14,319
in the UFO research field about the
future of ethology and and all the troubles

414
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,279
it faces, and you know,
euthologies in danger. I don't agree with

415
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,000
that, So I think you call
it would be just fine. The only

416
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:27,359
way I think that in danger,
my own personal opinion is just through the

417
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:36,319
technology of hoaxing is going to be
so difficult to differentiate. Eventually most likely

418
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,559
that that's that could you know,
that could really change things as far as

419
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,279
Yeah, absolutely, that's certainly certainly
a hurdle that you know exists and has

420
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,960
existed for quite a long time.
It's certainly going to get worse. But

421
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400
you know, every field of study
has its hurtles and has its challenges.

422
00:33:53,839 --> 00:34:00,039
But you know, if we as
researchers and people in this field believe that

423
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:07,320
UFOs are in fact real, which
we know. We know that, you

424
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:14,679
know, there are unidentified aerial objects
flying around the world every day, We

425
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,000
know that that exists, we know
firmly in our hearts that that's something that

426
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,679
merits serious scientific study, then it
should be fine to stand on its own.

427
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,119
It's not something that we should worry
that. Oh no, something bad

428
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,199
was said about UFOs or oh no. The news covered a story about one

429
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,639
person who hoked something, or oh
no, the news covered some lunatic who

430
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,480
raped about some ridiculous story. Now
everybody's going to think that UFOs are,

431
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:45,079
you know, just this looney thing
that only we're to see UFOs eupologies in

432
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,239
danger. Oh no, we've got
to We've got to stop this. You

433
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,519
know. It's that panic mentality or
this this thing that we've got to treat

434
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,800
euthology like a you know, an
injured animal or something that you know is

435
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,840
so delicate and frail that we have
to worry about every bad that's said about

436
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,480
it. I think that mentality is
more damaging to eupology than any of that

437
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,639
stuff that people like that are worried
about, because again, if we think,

438
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,119
if we genuinely think that you know, the evidence is there and that

439
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,840
it's something that's real and deserve study, then it can stand on its own.

440
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,800
Science. Other scientific fields are no
different. You know. They scientists

441
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,519
put out studies all the time,
and they're immediately met with ridicule from their

442
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,639
peers and people who say, oh, that's ridiculous, No, you don't

443
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:34,440
know what you're talking about. This
study has no merit. You know,

444
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,679
they deal with with that all the
time. I'm not saying that it's on

445
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,320
the same level as UFOs. You
know, that's always going to be an

446
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,719
uphill battle. Anything dealing with UFOs
or extraterustrial life and the ridicule factor there

447
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,400
is certainly quite strong. Don't need
to debate that at all. But other

448
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,440
scientific fields deal with some of the
same challenges that the study of UFOs do.

449
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,400
So I think if we spend less
time worrying about, you know,

450
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:07,000
people saying bad things about UFOs or
some bad eggs when it comes to spreading

451
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,519
false information or people trying to make
names for themselves, we do a lot

452
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:15,800
better and be able to focus on
the more important things of solving some of

453
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,000
the questions we have. Yeah,
unfortunately, someone from the outside, when

454
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,039
they get involved with something like that, that can burn some bridges. But

455
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,599
you know, it just depends on
how long they look into the topic.

456
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Here's a question up here that sort
of follows along what we're talking about.

457
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400
This is again comes from the forum. Although there are plenty of websites and

458
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,760
YouTube channels connected with euphology that are
full of nothing but hoax information. Do

459
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,039
you think the recent push to silence
fake news might be used also to squelch

460
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:54,719
those eupology sites that contain good research
and valuable factual information. Does this worry

461
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,800
you? I'm not worried, and
you know here why I mean, I

462
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:07,000
think again, with just being in
the age we are currently in, just

463
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:13,920
the saturation of media, so much
of absolutely everything, there's no escaping fake

464
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,440
news. You know, it's always
going to be there, and no matter

465
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,199
what efforts happen, you can't get
rid of it. You know, I

466
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,840
equate it to the war on drugs
or you know, other things that are

467
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:30,000
well intentioned, or you know,
anti bullying campaigns, like they're well intentioned

468
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,119
and you know they're they're a good
idea, but you're not going to be

469
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,360
able to get rid of it.
It's always going to be there in some

470
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,880
someplace or another. So really,
as I think should be the case,

471
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,239
the everything comes back on the shoulders
of the individual. You know, we

472
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:55,559
have to take responsibility in going further
than just reading a headline or even reading

473
00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,480
the article and accepting it at face
value. You know, I think it's

474
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:05,519
important no matter if you're reading about
UFOs or reading about politics, or reading

475
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,159
about you know, a new car
coming out. Yes, it's great that

476
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:14,639
there's somebody out there who wrote an
article about it, and perhaps for some

477
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,719
mainstream media outlet, that's great.
So I think the source of the information

478
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,639
is important, and it's important to
look at that article and who the journalist

479
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,400
is citing too, Where did that
information come from, and then perhaps take

480
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,079
it further and look at that source
and see if they did in fact say

481
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:35,960
what the journalist is quoting them as
saying. You know, dig a little

482
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,559
deeper. Yes, it's time consuming, it takes more time, but when

483
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,840
you're dealing with things, especially things
that are as big as UFOs and extraterrestrials,

484
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,519
dig a little deeper, take some
time to do the research, find

485
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,519
out where the information is coming from, and then you can make up your

486
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,039
your opinion based on it. And
again, a lot of this is in

487
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:57,000
fact, opinion based. It's not
concrete fact, not you know, one,

488
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,960
conclusive evidence. A lot of what
we're dealing with is stuff that is

489
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,800
contributing evidence, something that you know
can support a claim, and that's what

490
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,559
it is, and it can support
your existing belief. But you know,

491
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:15,280
if you are being objective and keeping
an open mind as we explore anything mysterious,

492
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:20,320
you know we have to be able
to be flexible and change. Uh,

493
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,280
you know, the conclusions we've reached
on certain things with our ears of

494
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:29,800
looking at these the weirdness that UFOs
can bring. I certainly know that.

495
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,079
You know, I think with certain
aspects of things related to UFOs, I've

496
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,960
made my mind up on how I
feel about certain things. But then I

497
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,679
come across something new and it uh, you know, I have to be

498
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:45,559
flexible to alter that established belief that
I created for myself. Right right,

499
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,400
People do have short tension spans today, only for the reason that there's so

500
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,440
much information coming in every which direction
social media, you know, YouTube,

501
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,119
back to YouTube, all that,
and and that even goes into the title,

502
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,519
the title of your book. You
mentioned to me that a few people

503
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,719
just saw only weirdo c UFOs and
they didn't read the rest of the title,

504
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:14,199
and we're upset. That was enough, That was enough, and they

505
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,599
were done. Well, I'm not
reading that book. Or I used to

506
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,000
be a fan of yours, but
now I have to change my mind.

507
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,800
Yeah. No, that stuff makes
me laugh, And you know, you

508
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,599
just have to quietly remind them or
ask, yeah, thanks, but did

509
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:35,360
you happen to read the rest of
the title. Yeah, and you know,

510
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,159
one person even responded no, and
I don't care to thank you.

511
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,840
Yeah, okay, well thanks.
Well Peggy who runs my Facebook page,

512
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:51,039
did an experiment where she had a
picture that said one thing, and if

513
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:52,519
you cooked on it went to a
whole different other thing, and all these

514
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:57,159
people were just commented. There was
like a hundred comments on the picture,

515
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,559
and nobody looked at the link.
It was a total different story. So

516
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,719
yes, short, the tension spans
now, I want to talk to you

517
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,800
about you are one of the only
few people that I've ever spoke to that

518
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,519
actually saw the Phoenix lights. And
I know you were like seventeen years old.

519
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:22,320
Yeah, and it didn't it didn't
uproot your life or anything like that.

520
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,519
You saw this at quite a distance, right, So I mean,

521
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:34,119
again, I think with sightings,
I can't speak for other people because again

522
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,760
we're individuals. We all have different
strengths and weaknesses, and you know,

523
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:45,159
everybody's a different person. I know
for myself, I've never boasted a impeccable

524
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:51,360
memory. So you know, when
you hear about UFO sightings and people witnesses

525
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,280
recalling things that happened years ago,
you know, just a few years ago,

526
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480
let alone nineteen forty seven or something
like that with new witness is coming

527
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:06,679
forward, different story there, But
you know, I know, thinking about

528
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,639
something that happened all the way back
in nineteen ninety seven, I'm certainly not

529
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,039
going to fool myself or anybody else
and try to pretend that I remember things

530
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:20,599
exactly as they happened. But I
do know that they seemed the lights five

531
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,519
to seven lights. Again, I
won't pin to an exact number because I

532
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:28,639
know that I don't remember exactly whether
it was five or seven lights that I

533
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,719
saw, but they were they were
pretty much directly over our property. And

534
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,760
I can't estimate how high they were. They didn't seem to be that high,

535
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:43,280
but you know, they were certainly
at some altitude and just these bright

536
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,280
stationary lights just hovering there. And
again I don't remember exactly how long,

537
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,559
but I do know that I observed
them for what seemed like a very long

538
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,320
time, and I'm going to say
somewhere between thirty and forty five minutes.

539
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:59,039
And being a seventeen year old kid, you know, I thought it was

540
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,280
awesome. I certainly watched it and
scratched my head for a long time and

541
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,280
wanted to know what it was but
after a while kind of got bored of

542
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,199
just steering. Guy went back inside, watched TV, saw that they were

543
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,360
talking about it on the news,
and I say, oh, that's cool,

544
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,960
that's what I was just looking at. That's time I went back outside.

545
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:22,000
They weren't there anymore. So not
the first person that has said on

546
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,480
this show is that they got bored
with watching a UFO and went and watch

547
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,559
TV. I think you're the second
one who said that. Such a funny

548
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,280
thing to say, now, you
know, but it does happen. You

549
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,360
know, we've talked about UFO just
like skywatching before and watching for UFOs,

550
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,480
and it's definitely something that takes a
lot of patients. If you have the

551
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,079
patients, you'll most likely see something
because there's a lot of stuff out there

552
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:50,119
in both the day and the night. Anywhere in the world you want to

553
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,480
be. If you dedicate the time, you can probably see a UFO.

554
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:58,280
But it's not for somebody with short
attention span, that's for sure, that's

555
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,400
right. Yeah, And out in
the desert you have when you get away

556
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,920
from the light pollution, you can
see some stars. I mean you see

557
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,199
big wide open sky. It's beautiful. Yeah. Where I grew up.

558
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,960
It was away from absolutely everything,
and you know, it was one of

559
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,880
the reasons I love camping so much
because you could I mean, you could

560
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,199
see so much of the sky that
you know, you could actually see the

561
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,239
Milky Way and you could see just
you know, millions and millions and millions

562
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:29,000
of stars, so absolutely incredible sky
view. So yeah, I had a

563
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,559
really good view. And also where
we were had a really good view of

564
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:38,159
out toward the Barry Goldwater Range where
a tens routinely dropped flares, So I

565
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:44,000
saw flares, military flares dropped all
the time. So it was quite familiar

566
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:46,800
with military flares. So you know, I can confidently say what I saw

567
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,920
was not military flares, right,
right, And that's that's important because you

568
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,000
know, there is some actual filming
that you see when you look into the

569
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:04,280
Phoenix lights that were actually flares or
that went were launched up later on that

570
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,320
night, whether it was to throw
people off or or not. But now

571
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,079
the aftermath of that, what was
that like, I mean, you must

572
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:17,599
have known that there was, uh, there was a lot of hassling going

573
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,599
on between uh you know, Fife, Simington, but I mean there was

574
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,639
they were getting calls. Everyone was
calling in about it for uh, I

575
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,000
think days afterwards, and it was
probably well, I mean for quite a

576
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,280
while, right, Yeah, as
we know, I mean, they did

577
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,519
a good job at the time of
trying to downplay it, you know,

578
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,199
and Timeanton's spoken about that many times
now. But yeah, I mean they

579
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,159
they did a good job, and
you know, the local media did a

580
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,239
good job of, you know,
sort of staying curious about it. But

581
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,679
like all things, you know,
I mean, our attention spans were slightly

582
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
longer back then, but uh,
you know, there was there was less

583
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,440
news flooding in all the time,
so that story kind of stayed fresh for

584
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,360
a little bit. But it wasn't
that big of a deal, you know,

585
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,400
I remember seeing it on the on
the page of the paper and stuff.

586
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,360
But yeah, I mean people were
still curious about it, but you

587
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,239
know, I don't recall it being
something that the public was really all that

588
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,760
interested in. They were curious,
but you know, aside from the thousands

589
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,400
of people who did call in to
Simonton's office and the city council looking for

590
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,599
answers, you know, those things
kind of go away, right right,

591
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,400
someone wanted to know in the forum
as well as what was your favorite UFL

592
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:38,000
case that you've reported on as a
journalist. Well, let's see, that's

593
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,800
a good one, and you know
this one doesn't seem that exciting. But

594
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:51,840
there was a period of time.
I'm trying to remember the years now.

595
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,000
I want to say two thousand and
eleven, but I could be wrong,

596
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:04,320
But there was this this span of
time where hundreds of UFOs were seen on

597
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:12,119
the China Indian border and these lights
were reported and investigated by the Indo Tibetan

598
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:20,760
Police Force, the military chief astronomers
there, and this was an ongoing thing.

599
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,840
You know, you're talking about police
officers, military personnel seeing these things

600
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,239
and astronomy experts commenting on them,
and people thought, you know, well

601
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,719
that maybe they're they're Chinese lanterns.
But these things would stay in the air.

602
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,480
I don't remember the specifics. It's
it's certainly in my book, but

603
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,400
they would stay in the air for
you know, a half hour or so,

604
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:45,199
traversing the sky. And these people
went on alert. They thought that

605
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:52,000
they were under attack. They had
confirmation or multiple statements from people working at

606
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:58,840
these observatories saying that, you know, we've dismissed any possible celestial bodies or

607
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:06,000
anything like that. So these experts, the military, the police, they

608
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:10,079
were completely baffled after launching investigation into
this, trying to figure out what they

609
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:16,199
were. And you know, I
just think that that case was really fascinating

610
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:20,880
because there was no conclusion and watching
the media react to that case as well,

611
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:29,480
because there was one one media report
from one media outlet that said that

612
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,320
they concluded that it was Chinese lanterns
or something, but then there was another

613
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,119
report and I couldn't find any confirmation
of that, by the way, But

614
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:44,679
then there was another report that came
out later with a quote from one of

615
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:49,480
the scientists from an observatory saying,
we're still completely perplexed by this. We

616
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:54,679
have no idea what they are.
So you had conflicting media reports and all

617
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:02,239
of these official bodies looking into these
hundreds of UFOs along India Humway and border

618
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,159
with China during a two and a
half month period and they have no idea

619
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,719
what these things were. Isn't that
amazing? Wow? That that is something

620
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,960
I was never familiar with that.
Let's say something wanted to know, what

621
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,360
is the style of your book?
Is it testimonies from people or is it

622
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,079
case studies or something else? Entirely. The book is laid out in an

623
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:32,039
interesting way. Again, the purpose
of this book is to provide, as

624
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:37,639
the subtitle describes, an introduction to
the public's misperception of unidentified aerial phenomena and

625
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:43,079
extraterustrial life. So it gives little
bits and pieces here and there, starting

626
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:47,679
off with sort of the history of
the modern UFO era and looking at you

627
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,519
know, pointing out to people in
the general public who might not be familiar

628
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:59,519
with the fact that the government has
governments around the world has and do investigate

629
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:05,360
UFO, you know, touching briefly
on some of the big cases from the

630
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:12,039
beginning of the modern UFO era,
talking about Kenneth Arnold and Roswell and things

631
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,400
like that. So some other big
cases in here too, touching on Rendelsham

632
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:21,280
and things like that, looking at
military UFO encounters. So really the book

633
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:29,159
is segmented out talking, highlighting some
more of a Okay, so I'll say

634
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:30,199
it like this, What would really
responded it was, you know, my

635
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:37,840
background in being a UFO journalist,
writing stories for so many years about UFO

636
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,199
sidings and people who had had UFO
sidings, and what what news typically is

637
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,599
when you know celebrities or you know, other public public officials or public people

638
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:53,360
people in the in the public spotlight
have some sort of UFO sighting or make

639
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,039
a comment about extraterustrial life. So
there's a lot of stories in here just

640
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:07,559
kind of highlighting people, whether they're
celebrities, musicians, military personnel, pilots,

641
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,440
you know, just a wide variety
of people pointing out that people all

642
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,840
walks of life either have thoughts about
UFOs and extratrustural life or have seen UFOs

643
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,920
and or extraterrustrial life. It also
has a good section at the end talking

644
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:30,880
about focusing on extrarustural life and about
mainstream science and the current efforts to search

645
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,679
for extraterrustrial life, and you know
a lot about astrobiology and things like that,

646
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,599
and thoughts from mainstream scientists on intelligent
extraterrustrial life. And what about the

647
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:45,599
person that says to you, oh, UFOs and extraterrustrial or aliens as they

648
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,320
put it, It's all just part
of pop culture, and that's, you

649
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,599
know, the only reason people have
interests and people are seeing them. Well,

650
00:51:54,679 --> 00:52:00,400
I certainly I think and know that
UFOs are a huge part of pop

651
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,840
culture, but we know that,
you know, unidentified aero phenomena have been

652
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:12,000
reported since the beginning of documented history. The military certainly takes UFOs seriously.

653
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:16,559
We know that objects are in the
sky every day all around the world.

654
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,679
Objects that you know, UFOs does
not mean alien spacecraft. It certainly could

655
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,760
be that's a possibility. We can't
discount that. But there are objects,

656
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:35,400
and this should, this should really
concern people and make scientists take great interest

657
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,679
in the fact that we do know
that we have objects flying around in our

658
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,840
airspace and we don't know what they
are. That's double that's absolutely incredible.

659
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,559
So now we know that, and
that's funny that that's a hurdle we still

660
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,800
have to get over even talking about
whether or not UFOs exists. We know

661
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,400
UFOs exists, but that's still a
question that you know, the mainstream public

662
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,039
has that. That's that's the perception
that we don't know if UFOs exist or

663
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:07,039
not. We do know that UFOs
exists, that they're seen by people from

664
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:13,000
all walks of life all around the
world every day. So the real real

665
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,880
question is is what are they?
So that's that's the fun and you know,

666
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:21,079
really the reason that I stay interested
in this field is just the the

667
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:23,760
unknown of it all and trying to
trying to find those answers. But with

668
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:30,480
extraterrustrial life, sure, you know, you have lots of people who do

669
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:38,199
claim that they personally experienced or encountered
extraterrestrials intelligent extraterrustrial life, and that's great.

670
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,480
You know, some of them are
really good stories, really fascinating,

671
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:49,039
and some some quite compelling. But
again it comes down to belief, because

672
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:53,880
we don't have a real documented or
conclusive proof that's going to convince anybody or

673
00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:00,440
change anybody's mind conclusively. So it
comes down to a what you want to

674
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,440
believe if you want to believe certain
certain evidence or certain testimony. So there's

675
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,599
a lot of that. But as
far as mainstream science goes and where we

676
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,440
are with extraterrustrial life, just you
know, talking on a microbial level,

677
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,159
which is what's you know, a
lot of the focus is on most people

678
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,519
involved in some way or form with
that that study will tell you that that

679
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,559
that discovery is right around the corner. And Martin, you and I have

680
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:29,760
talked about this, and you know
I've certainly gone on record saying that I

681
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,519
think even as soon as five years
will get some sort of confirmation from mainstream

682
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,920
science that some sort of extraterrestrial life
has been found. But there are so

683
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:44,199
many missions underway right now, either
on the drawing boards or already being realized,

684
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,000
that are actively searching for extraterrustrial life. And there are mainstream scientists,

685
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,719
you know, being funded by mainstream
mainstream funding, with the specific purpose of

686
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,679
searching for intelligent extraterrestrial life. So
that stuff is happening in mainstream science.

687
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:05,320
But I think a lot of people
in the mainstream, and even if within

688
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,239
the UFO community, don't realize that
so right Well, now, one of

689
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,119
the questions that's come to mind.
I've asked a few different people that I've

690
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:16,800
had on the show this. Let's
just say that there are I'm just going

691
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:27,480
to throw a rough number out there. There's billions of intelligent extraterrestrial life out

692
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,239
there in the universe, and a
lot of them have figured out the physics

693
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:37,679
to get here. Why would they
get here? Why would they come visit

694
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,840
us? Why are we special?
Why would we be so special if there

695
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:47,239
are billions of planets out there with
intelligent extraterrestrial life. Well, going back

696
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,760
to something that you and I had
talked about. You know, we in

697
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,800
talking about intelligent extraterrustrial life. We
like to personify extraterrustrial life. We like

698
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,480
to think of you know, in
human terms and us and that's how astrobiologist

699
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:06,039
view extratrustrial life. You know,
they're looking for life as we know it,

700
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,559
because that's kind of what we have
to go on. We don't know

701
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,840
anything else, and it's hard for
us to fathom, you know, just

702
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,599
kind of throw things out, make
guesses at what other life might be like.

703
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,440
So we're basing things off of life
here on Earth. We're talking about

704
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:24,920
intelligent extraterrestrials, we're making thinking of
them as as we would humans, you

705
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,920
know, human personalities and you know, different human minds. So you know,

706
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,039
that's where where Stephen Hawking likes to
throw in his you know, and

707
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,400
that's the exact analogy he uses,
you know, looking back at human history

708
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,920
and you know how war hungry we
are and how we like to take people

709
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,760
and push them off their land and
use their resources. So yeah, looking

710
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,800
at it, you know, and
perhaps that's vanity. I don't know,

711
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,920
if we want to think that aliens
are like or if aliens are here,

712
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,320
they're here because of us, because
we're special. I don't know. I

713
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,119
think that's a you know, certainly
possibility, but it's a it's just a

714
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,519
guess. You know, we were
guessing that if they're if they're here,

715
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:12,599
they're here because we're special or there's
something interesting about us, And that may

716
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,039
not be the case. You know, it could be that, you know,

717
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,400
as Hawking and others feel that,
you know, they're interested in our

718
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,360
resources. So whatever their their sensors
or their technology concluded that, you know,

719
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:27,039
the resources we have here on our
planet would be a value to them.

720
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,679
But you know, it could be
like us going on a road trip,

721
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,119
driving down the freeway. Just because
we drive by a certain gas station

722
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:38,320
or through a certain town doesn't mean
that that town is special or you know,

723
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,519
we we thought that town was particularly
interesting, so we decided to drive

724
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,559
through it. It just happened to
be there when we were going by.

725
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:51,679
Wow, very good analogy to that. I yeah, I have wondered,

726
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,400
you know, that is the question. I've another question I should say,

727
00:57:54,679 --> 00:58:00,400
and why they would think we're so
special? Is is bath But I never

728
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:06,280
thought of the resources that could be
Again, you know, we also think

729
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,440
about this, I mean, if
if space travel is so easy, you

730
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,840
know, for some some beings out
there, some civilizations. You know,

731
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,079
I think about it like TV too. You know, we're watching TV and

732
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:21,840
flipping through the channels and stop on
a channel. You know, it's because

733
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,639
we saw something that looked interesting.
We might not necessarily have intended to watch

734
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:28,599
that show, and we might not
stay watching that show, but hey,

735
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,440
we saw it, we'll check it
out for a little bit. Very good,

736
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,840
Tom Delon. We said we were
going to talk about him. Now

737
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,559
you worked with him. I know
you went out first, You and Maureen

738
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:44,599
went out and actually interviewed him a
number of years ago, and then you

739
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:46,280
got to know him and stayed in
touch with him and then work for him

740
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,480
for a while. He's been in
the news a lot, or the UFO

741
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:55,679
news at least a lot lately.
And I know you and I spoke about

742
00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:00,280
this the other night on the show, and one of the things I mentioned

743
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,039
to you, and I thought you
had a really good point was I thought

744
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:10,840
that he'd be like the perfect person
to send along misinformation too. And you

745
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:16,719
said basically that you he was aware
of that. Yeah, absolutely, And

746
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:22,920
you know that's certainly the thought that
I think cross most people's mind when when

747
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,480
we all heard about it. But
yeah, I mean Tom from from the

748
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,320
very start, I think was hit
with that question, and I think George

749
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,559
Natt might have been the one to
pose it to him the first time in

750
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:40,039
a public interview. But yeah,
Tom said that he is convinced that he's

751
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:46,840
not being fed information or used for
disinformation because and this is his explanation and

752
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:52,320
why he personally feels this way,
is that these advisors of his, these

753
00:59:52,519 --> 01:00:01,599
military and government and other important individuals, are not giving him information. They

754
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:09,519
are simply basically responding or or or
confirming things that he's presenting to them,

755
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:15,239
things that he's you know, come
up with based on his decades of research.

756
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,840
Tom is you know, surprises people. But in my opinion, Tom

757
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,639
is one of the most well read
people when it comes to UFOs. He's

758
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:30,719
been you know, actively researching UFOs, uh you know, for decades and

759
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:37,079
you know, is quite well read
and goes pretty deep on the subject.

760
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:43,079
So he's not a newcomer to UFOs
at all, and being who he is,

761
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,719
you know, as a rock star
and public figure, he's certainly capitalized

762
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:52,320
on that over the years and arranged
uh, you know, personal meetings with

763
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,679
a lot of the leading researchers in
the field today. So you know,

764
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,079
his his activity in the UFO research
world is is nothing new, and he's

765
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:08,800
aware certainly of you know, disinformation
campaigns and the all the negative bad guy,

766
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,639
you know, reputation the military has
surrounding this topic. He is one

767
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:22,119
hundred percent convinced that, you know, he's been given good information or confirmed

768
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,199
the information that's being confirmed is good. He trusts the people that he's working

769
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:30,519
with. And people think that Tom's
deceptive or that you know, he's doing

770
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:37,000
what he's doing for money. I
disagree with all of that one hundred percent.

771
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,320
I will just say that this is
just my personal opinion based on my

772
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,840
personal relationship and experience with Tom.
I genuinely believe that what he is doing

773
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:55,480
is something that he firmly believes is
good for the field of UFOs. He

774
01:01:55,639 --> 01:02:00,360
genuinely has a passion for this,
and you know, it's what he wants

775
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,400
to do with his life. I
mean, he left a lucrative music career

776
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,280
to focus on this type of stuff
and other things that he wants to do.

777
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:15,519
He's doing this out of love,
and if he wanted money, he

778
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:20,039
could certainly quickly turn around, rejoin
Blank y eighty two and go on tour,

779
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:23,880
And that's certainly not off the table
at this point. But I will

780
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:29,159
say what he's doing and the work
at to the Stars I think is really

781
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:30,679
good, really exciting. He's doing
a lot of fun stuff that he's always

782
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:35,239
wanted to do. It ranges from
all sorts of things, from comic books

783
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,639
and novels and movies and TV shows
and music. So he's doing the things

784
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:44,079
he loves and he has the means
to do it. So I think he's

785
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:47,800
doing something good. I think what
he's doing with his property Secret Machines is

786
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,599
definitely something to watch, and I
just encourage people. I mean again,

787
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:57,199
I don't know if the information that's
going to come from this project is any

788
01:02:57,239 --> 01:02:59,559
good or not. I don't think
if it's any I don't know if it's

789
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:04,880
anything new. I don't know if
it will be earth shattering. We don't

790
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,679
know. I don't know. You
don't know. But there's been so much

791
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:13,920
speculation around this whole property and and
you know, really crucifying Tom before you

792
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,199
know, knowing much about this project
aside from what Tom says, and he's

793
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:20,719
been very open about the project,
and you know, some of the people

794
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,519
he's worked with, I mean working
with Podesta. He made public a long

795
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:30,440
time ago, two years ago.
But you know, when the when the

796
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:34,679
when the nonfiction books come out,
which the first in the nonfiction trilogy will

797
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,280
come out in March, written by
Peter Lavenda, co written with Peter Lavenda

798
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:44,559
with a forward by Jacques Vallet.
You know, then we'll see what this

799
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,920
information is when the documentary comes out. And that's what I'm most excited to

800
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,599
see this documentary. Yeah, it
should be you know, then we'll see

801
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:58,000
what this information is and what he's
been been uh, you know, pushing

802
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:01,679
out and talking about for for the
last year. But you know, we're

803
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,039
in this this you know, we
talked about short attention span but also short

804
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:10,079
patients. We're in this this era
of like wanting everything right now. We

805
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,519
don't have patients to wait. We
want all the spoilers. We want want

806
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,800
to read the articles and hear about
you know, things they're going to show

807
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:24,119
us the latest stolen images of the
new iPhone or the newest trailer of Star

808
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:27,119
Wars, you know, things like
that. We just can't wait until it

809
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,480
actually comes out to see what it
really is. We want to know all

810
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,760
the little details now now now,
right, right? Have you communicated with

811
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,159
them since the WikiLeaks emails? No, No, wiki leaks caused all sorts

812
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:42,559
of problems and yeah, communication has
kind of been cut off since then.

813
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,719
But uh, you know, I
mean from what I heard there there,

814
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,840
they definitely had to do some damage
control because of that. It compromised a

815
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,000
lot of you know, the sources
that they had, you know, work

816
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:56,800
so hard to develop and promised anonymity
to these people. You know, some

817
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,400
of that was was damaged because of
wiki leaks. So they had to do

818
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,280
some serious damage control with that.
But they seem to be back on track

819
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,000
and things are going well, and
you know, we'll get to see the

820
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:13,719
first of these nonfiction books coming out. Peter Lavenda is a great guy,

821
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,880
very very great researcher, you know, and they've been working on this in

822
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:25,480
the research they've done for years now
together. And you know, Peter is

823
01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:28,960
a fan of Jacques Ballet like so
many of us are, and I know

824
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:31,960
Tom is so the fact that he
contributed the forward to that book, I

825
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,079
think says a lot about it and
I'm just excited to read it. Now.

826
01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:41,800
You mentioned earlier that you and you
and I agree on this that within

827
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,760
a short period of time, I
think it will be public knowledge that there

828
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,960
will be a discovery, discovery of
extraterrestoral life, whether it's intelligent or not.

829
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:53,320
I have no idea. But the
last question I'm going to ask you

830
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:58,039
on the form here is do you
think at least some kind of partial disclosure

831
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,760
disclosure? Boy, having a hard
time here, partial disclosure is coming,

832
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:09,679
you know. I people like to
in this field, like to latch onto

833
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,119
to certain buzzwords, you know,
and I don't know, for one reason

834
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:17,119
or another, they always rubbed me
the wrong way because I think they overcomplicate

835
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:23,360
things. You know. Disclosure is
one, consciousness is another, you know,

836
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,800
when when really what people are typically
talking about when they use those words

837
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:34,199
is something that's very very basic.
And with disclosure. You know, I've

838
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:38,760
said this, you know, since
I started in the UFO field, and

839
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,519
I have the same mindset now there. I don't ever think there will be

840
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:47,199
some grand disclosure like some people think
there will be, like a president coming

841
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:53,039
forward and saying, surprise, we
lied all these years. We've known everything.

842
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:57,440
Here's what we know. Here you
go, guys, We're finally finally

843
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:00,440
stopping our lives that'll never have happen. You know, there's never going to

844
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:06,719
be an admittance of prior knowledge or
intentional deception. That won't happen. I

845
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:11,480
think when something's discovered, you know, that will be announced, whether through

846
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:16,559
it's a NASA press conference or something
like that. You know, and then

847
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:20,199
it is what it is. You
know, if there's something to do from

848
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:26,800
then on out, if there's you
know, additional missions launched or further investigation

849
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,239
to do, then it'll happen.
But I don't think it's going to be

850
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:35,320
some big like big hulla balloo or
something earth shattering. I mean, it

851
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,119
is pretty earth shattering, but I
you know, I don't think it's going

852
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:43,559
to be this grand government thing where
they come forward and say, all right,

853
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,920
we've discovered it and ps, yeah, let's take your live to Area

854
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,559
fifty one now and show you what
we've been working on. You and I

855
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:55,119
agree on a lot of things I
have to tell you. Okay, So

856
01:07:55,639 --> 01:08:00,159
your show is called UFO Mod Pod
and that's bi weekly. Yeah, and

857
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:05,400
it's with you, Maureen and Ryan. Correct. And someone can find that

858
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:10,039
how do they find that? Is
at that actually a U r L as

859
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,719
well? The easiest way to do. That is iTunes, but you know

860
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:19,399
it's also on various other podcast locations. But our website is Roague Planet dot

861
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:24,520
tv and you can find UFO mod
Pod there as well as some of our

862
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,319
other shows and other content that we're
working on. Great, well, Jason,

863
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,600
it's been a real pleasure, and
you're a real trooper to come back

864
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,560
and after we already did the two
hour show, I really do appreciate it.

865
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:39,720
Well, it's my pleasure. Thank
you for having me back and doing

866
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,640
this again with me. You know, we did have so much fun in

867
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,960
that two hours, and I'm sad
that it's gone forever. But yeah,

868
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,279
that's right. We created new magic
today and that's great. Yes, that's

869
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:54,640
right. And a lot of you
out there are celebrating Christmas in just a

870
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,880
couple of days, so I want
to say Mary Christmas to you, and

871
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,439
I know I was in Russia this
year. In Russia's celebrates on January sixth,

872
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:06,000
not everyone celebrates it on December twenty
fifth, and of course not everyone

873
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:10,760
celebrates Christmas. But to those who
do, Merry Christmas, and merry Christmas

874
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,680
to do as well. Jason,
thank you, sir, same to you,

875
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:17,920
all right, So everyone will be
back next week with Ray Stanford.

876
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:23,319
And Ray has been on the show
a number of times. He is going

877
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:28,359
to be talking about different topics.
He's really excited. He's got a lot

878
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:30,479
to say and he'll be on next
week. And I want to thank Jason,

879
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,840
of course, our guests, and
Alejandro Rojas and the other people that

880
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,479
help out with the show, Peggy
for managing the Facebook page. Remember to

881
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,520
like us on Facebook for all the
latest UFO news. Again, we'll be

882
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:59,680
back next week, and remember to
keep your eyes to the sky.