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Hi, Welcome to seven Sanctum podcast, Gateway to the Unknown and the Paranormal.

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I'm the one of the co hosts, Natalie. I've got Carrie Anne

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with me. She's waving right if
you don't save me, she's waving.

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And I apologize tonight because I don't
have very much voice, so if it

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disappears, I'll let you know in
advance. It's like carry can take over

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and with us tonight, we've got
special guests Scott Wilson, who is a

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founder of and lead investigator in Flatline
Paranormal from Indiana in America. He's a

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para comedian I think one of a
kind and pretty unique. And he's also

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the host of his own podcast,
Paranormal Jackass, and he co hosts another

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show which is a little bit wilder, called The Unholy Trinity, So if

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you're feeling brave, check that out
on the Parallance is It Paralleance Network.

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Scott and his co host Howard Petrie
and they get a little bit crazy there.

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So we're going to try and keep
it fairly. Want to control today,

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which given that we're starting the fact
that we're trying to record this mercury

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retrograde is going to be very interesting
and right. So welcome to our podcast.

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Scott. Thank you. I am
excited, you know. You know.

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You're like, we're going to keep
this kind of mild, and I'm

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thinking, yeah, you realize you
got on your show like it is me,

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you know me, because I was
like, if I start riffing off

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you and youffing up me, Carrie
is going to switches off before people.

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If we gave it carried away,
carried just do this this stop it.

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Yeah. The Holy Trinity is an
extremely off the wall podcast. We it

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is not for the pain of heart. It is a hardcore n C seventeen

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show. We had the weirdest topics
ever, you know, stuff like having

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sex with the sasquatch, you know, Bigfoot, you know, and it

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just yeah, like I said,
if you're easily offended this, that is

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not the show for you. I'm
just saying, yeah, I have questions.

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I have questions have already. At
first, I was like, oh,

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okay, because within the paranormal it's
really great to have like really broad

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conversations. And when you first said
that, I was like okay, And

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then I'm thinking, wait, hold
on, like is this something that because

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you hear reports with people with succubuses
and inkbuses and all sorts where there's reports.

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Has there actually been reports of people
saying that they've slept or had intimate

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times with a big foot or is
this just a kind of broader topic we're

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discussing normally. It's just a topic
we discussed, like we've never I've heard

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anybody of actually having suck with the
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interesting, I have to you know, I mean, Ron, how'd you

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get that close? I mean,
they didn't rip you apart? And number

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two, if you did have sex
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it rip you apart? Because it's
a giant man eight thing like eight feet

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tall, so you know he's not
going to be or he's not going to

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be little. You know what I'm
saying, don't you if people getting abducted

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by big big foot, but they
don't tend not to come back on the

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tree real agat and you know,
and as far as you know, like

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you said, suck us and you
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we've covered that, but that it
would be interesting to actually interview somebody that

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has claimed that because there is there
is a gentleman actually that's linked to the

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ram Inn in the UK. They
says he has he had regular visits and

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intimacy. For the life of me, I cannot remember the general sign,

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but I will as the podcast goes
on and will find him. I will

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find out this information and I'll let
you know because he I watched the documentary

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based on his experiences and it's very
interesting. I'm interested in the psychological aspect

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of that, the kind of what
is happening for that person. But at

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the same time, yeah, you
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the first time I've ever heard that
concept with Big He took a turn left,

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really went left quite quickly, Okay, trying to keep some degree of

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control for at least most of the
podcasts, Like you should have wondered way

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off I was going to say,
and I knew he sent you a message

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saying please behave yourself because I'm going
to myself. And it's like, it's

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like, I'm really sorry, Kerry
and listeners. Not intending to open with

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that. I was going to open
with your paranormal investigation and your podcast before

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we launched. We've we've gone back
withs just happens. You know, this

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is me. That's why they made
a paranormal comedian, because you know,

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just the stuff that comes down in
my mouth and my head, Like I

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don't think they cooperate that much because
like my brain will be like, don't

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say that, and all the sad
in my mouth is like, hey,

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check this out. You know,
I was going to say a two year

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old sort of like switching between the
brain and the mouth, and it's like,

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oh, just disconnect this this sensitionship. Yes, you know, because

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I was going to say, I
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I call her my wife, but
you know it's the same concept.

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You know, she's got my soul
and yeah, you are owned? You

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are you are owned? Well I
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So we'll get the reports later when
we make sure that we send it to

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her, when we'll make sure we
done right. Yeah, we'll make sure

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to message her in when we release
this episode three weeks before weeks before you

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have to start packing. So we've
been with paranormal investigations in mind. How

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did you get involved in the paranormal? Where did your journey begin? I

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got into the Paranormal back in two
thousand and seven. It's actually when ghost

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Hunters Paps first him out, and
we all used to just sit around and

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watch it. And my oldest stepdaughter
Syana was we got we'd get this,

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uh the newspaper every every week and
she was reading through it one day,

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don't know what the wanted ads and
this and that, and there was an

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ad in there it says wanted,
Uh, do you want to be a

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ghost hunter? Reply here with an
email and she's like, Scott, you

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should do that. And I'm like, no, that's stupid. And she's

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like, come on, you never
know, I mean, don't you want

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to know? And I'm like,
well, I don't know. So eventually

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they ended up talking me into it
and I send an email say listen,

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I'm interested in this man, uh
you know, and I got to meet

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email back saying hey, we would
like to meet you. You know,

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let's mean that McDonald's. I said, okay, So I go to McDonald's

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and a guy that I actually went
to school with, Bart Berry, was

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one of the guys, and then
Chris Daniel's the other gentleman, and they

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actually said down and interviewed me and
they loved the interviewing stuff, and so

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they brought me on to their team, which was called Ghost ghost Hunting Organizational

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Sightings Team. And I actually started
out in training first, like you know,

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I just didn't get in and start
being a paranormal investigating like. I

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actually started as a trainee and they
trained me on, you know, how

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to do EVPs, how to listen
to them, how to go over photos

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and everything, so you know,
and I basically did that for like eight

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months until I actually became a full
time investigator. So and I did that

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with them for about for about three
years and worked my way up to being

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a case manager, getting us places
to go and whatnot. And then Martin

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Christ decided they were going to step
down and retire for a while. So

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I'm like, okay, well,
you know, I get that. So

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probably about four months went by and
I'm like, you know, I kind

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of miss this. Maybe I'll start
my own team. And every buddy of

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mine will fry He's like, dude, I'll be on your team. I

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said, okay, you know,
let's do this. Let's let's start a

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team. And uh. We brought
another guy, Keith Hartley, on and

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at the time, we were called
Indiana Apparition Sidings Team I A S T

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and both of my stepdaughters, Shyenna
and Alyssa were on and we did a

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little bit of this and that,
And I actually had sat down and talked

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to Joe New York that one time
about him coming on to my team,

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but at the time our schedules just
did not mesh together, so we were

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on opposite schedules, so he wasn't
able to come on. Will step down

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and I'm like, you know,
I like the name Indianapolish and Signings Teams,

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but it's not what I like,
like, like, I want a

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name that I'm going to be like
yes, And I sat down one night

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and it was just going all these
different names, and I'm like, I

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come up with a flat line.
I'm like, dude, I like that,

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Like I can imagine the logo of
a ghost with a flat line.

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And I ended up changing the flat
line and bringing the whole new crew in,

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with Leona Burns staying already Keith Hartley
and I did that for a couple

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more years, but I got tired
of running it like a business because back

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then we didn't have all these places
like Raverley Hills Penhurst chains Aller, Jenny,

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you couldn't go to places like that, so you're always trying to get

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into to do residential. So you
made it out to be more like a

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business so people could invite you into
do investigation there. And I just I

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got worn out on it, and
I was like, you know, I'm

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done for a while. I retired, so I'd retired for a little bit.

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And then, of course Jeremy York, who is founder of Things Paranormal

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and Things Network, I've known Germany
for fifteen years or so, he kept

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wanting me to come back in a
paranormal and be on his team. And

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I think that was back then twenty
nineteen, and it took him a while,

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but finally I decided to come back
out of retirement. And you fight,

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It happens a lot with paranormal stuff
anyway, doesn't Everyone seems to go

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through phases where they get burnt out. And it's like, do you think

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it was the stress of running the
team that caused you to burn out or

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do you think it was just like
it's a common thing in the paranormal world

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that you have to sort of go
into and come out of it for a

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bit and go into, you know, because it's quite intense energies anyway,

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and it can be quite exhausting and
mentally and emotionally and spiritually. Actually,

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I sometimes think it's more of a
spiritual thing. You know. You sort

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of get burnt out sort of dealing
with that kind of thing, and you

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have to kind of come back to
normal life for a bit to reset your

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brain. Otherwise you go a little
bit gargar, I think with it.

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So do you think it was that
that was like cause you to sort of

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retire for a bit or just you'd
sort of done for a while. Yeah.

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A part of it was running the
team, and I think another part

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of it was I just lost the
enthusiasm for it, you know, because

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when you're out there doing that,
you know, and you're running a team,

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you know, at the time,
you're putting so much time and energy

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into posting things on your team's website. Because we were posting EVPs, we

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were putting pictures, So you're doing
that, and like I said, you're

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running it like a business. And
I think to that point it was no

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longer fun because it was no longer
about me and me wanting to go out

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and have fun and do stuff.
It became more of wanting to please and

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do everything for everybody else, you
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now when you do residential, I
think it's become more common where people want

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you to come and they want you
to find something no matter what you know,

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and it don't work that way.
And that's my biggest thing is I

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will never ever fake evidence and I
will never pretend they're something there. If

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there's something there, that's good,
that's awesome. But if there's not something

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there, I'm going to tell you
there to me, there's nothing here.

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Now, does that mean it's not
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No, It just means when I
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no activity. Yeah. Yeah,
So I find I agree with you when

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you say that people can't we people
bring you into their own property. It

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is because they are already feel like
they're experiencings, and I think they bring

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people in because they want their validated. And so when that doesn't quite go

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that way, there is that conflict
and like you said, doesn't mean there's

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nothing there, just means that at
that time you was unable to pick things

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up. And also we do have
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that could be put down to other
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legs and kinds of runs away.
And when people bring people it is to

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get validation and talking about when we
come. I mean, there's a few

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times where I've kind of come away
from the paranormal. It always calls you

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back in. I don't. I
think it's more about the fact that I

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don't think it's so much that people
come away because they are It's not so

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much about burnout, I don't think. I think. I think sometimes it

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runs its course and then naturally life
gets in its way, but it always

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calls you back in. It's just
it's be addicted. It's addicting. Should

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I say, Yeah, it is. And now that all these big names,

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these big teams like you know,
TAPS and Ghost Adventurers and not at

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all, all these big name teams
have opened the doorway for it, the

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paranormal teams to go into these big, huge places. Yeah, it's amazing.

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I mean, and I think that's
one of the biggest things that pulls

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people into it, is the chance
to go to a Waverley Hills or Alcatraz

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or something like that, to experience
something like that. I agree, and

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I think shows like that make the
paran more paranormal, more accessible. But

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I feel like sometimes even though it's
kind of open the remit for people to

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come in and be able to experience
for themselves, I think that sometimes these

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bigger locations make it less accessible for
people. I think finance and have people

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being able to come along and stuff, I think I do think it's a

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little bit gatekeepery in terms of,
yes, the paranorm was more accessible and

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more acceptable now, but not everyone's
able to experience those things because the cost

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of being able to do it is
I think it's got excessive to be able

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to book locations is gone. It's
very steep nowadays, you know. And

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I always stop hobbies like me getting
in the golf or bowling stuff like that

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was expensive. Well that stuff is
nowhere expensive as this hobby, ghost higning,

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because ghost hugning is probably the most
expensive hobby there is between all the

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technology and like you said, different
locations and the prices, I mean,

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it's just it's crazy, you know. And I mean you can get to

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some of these locations and it will
be a decent price, but if there's

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twenty people there, to me,
that's hard. I don't want to go

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with onny people because then I'm not
going to get the experience that I want,

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you know, because there's going to
be so much tainted evidence. Everybody's

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because when you get in with different
people and different teams, everybody has the

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own way of the way they do
stuff, you know, and I respect

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that, but that's also what makes
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for them may not work for us, and what I do they may not

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want to do. So, but
I like, I like going for the

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I like going for the history of
everything and just taking it all in.

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Yeah, I agree, I think
that's quite fascinating, and I think as

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well, you're right, it's parallel. Research is very subjective, and we

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all develop our own techniques and the
way we like to work, especially if

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you work on an an energy basis. But it is also when you're working

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with someone else, it's quite intrusive
because, like you said, they work

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their way, you work your way. It doesn't always blend, so then

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you're not the focus on Then getting
the evidence isn't there because it's there's this

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friction that's kind of not marrying.
So it becomes more about that than it's

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just about the environment and stuff that
we investigate, is so I do agree.

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So with investigations, if you was
to what is your one of your

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favorite places to investigate and also what
is the one that gave you the most

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evidence? If that's not the same
location, Uh, let me see right

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now, my favorite that I had
investigated would be Penhurst. And I'm not

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taking anything Waverley Hills, but Pinhurst
is just absolutely amazing. Like they're both

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huge. Waverley and Pinhurst are both
huge. I mean, good lord,

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I mean at Penhurst, I think
there's five six buildings that you can go

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into, so that's pretty awesome.
And probably the one place where I've gotten

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the most evidence is where I'm sitting
right now, my house. All right,

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So how do you feel about investigating? I mean, I have,

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I do tested my equipment in my
property, and I do. I've got

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a video of a entity on the
spirit box telling me to f off quite

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ferociously, and I'm wondering how long
that spirit has wanted to tell me to

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because I got meant it, I
got I got you on that one.

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So for me, my kids always
told me there was something in this house.

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I never believed them ever. You
know, they said that the bathroom

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door would open. You know,
I debunk That is what I like to

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do. I like to debunk things, whether it's the wind, you know,

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the doors, you know, little
off balance to where it can swing.

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So I look at that stuff and
I blew it off for the longest

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time. And my sister, my
sister Heather, came in from Kentucky and

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and I was already in bed,
and they came in and I come down

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and she said, I just seen
Jena, which is my youngest daughter.

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Jenna was probably eight or nine at
the time, and she goes but she

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went in her room and now I
didn't see her. I'm like, what

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are you talking about. She's like, well, I said hi to her,

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but she didn't say nothing. I
said, well, Jenna's all sleep

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upstairs in our room. And she's
like what and she she explained, this

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little girl with blonde hair, blah
blah blah. And I'm like, eh,

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yeah, maybe maybe you're just tired. Well, then like three nights

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later, my buddy Shannon Rodney,
because we were getting to have a huge

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cookout over summer, and we're in
the house and Shannon, who is an

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empathy she feels everything. The heather
was outside in the garage and we were

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in the house, and then Shannon
starts telling me about this little girl in

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the house blonde hair and stuff.
I'm like, now, wait a minute,

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now, this is getting kind of
freaky. So I decided to do

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a investigation here at the house and
me staying all right, and my buddy

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William or upstairs in my boys' room
where they always said there was the most

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activity, and we're just kind of
goofing off, and me being me the

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smart lift that I am. I
said, this is my house. Now

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said you know that I am the
butcher and you are the B word.

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Well, I actually have an EVP
coming back and just calling me the bit

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the B word, and I'm like, whoa wait a minute. So that

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was odd. And then it sounded
like somebody had taken a huge bottle of

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water. It was tipping it and
making the water sound as well. So

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that's probably that I probably have more
activity. I had more activity in this

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house than any other house, I
mean, or places I investigated, whether

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it's got it on evidence or not, because I mean, I live with

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one of the biggest skeptics ever,
and that's my wife and for her to

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sit there and us be in bed
one night and see a little boy at

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the end of our bed who she
thought was our son, ateing and kept

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asking what he wanted and this and
that because she was just standing there to

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me turning on the light and nothing
being there. Yeah, there's some that's

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an interesting experience. I don't know. I don't know how I respond to

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objectively seeing something. I think I've
only seen objectively seen something once and at

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that put I was like, no, don't ever show you yourself like again.

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Never I was like this today.
See, I'm one of those people.

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And I don't know. For me, I think if I do see

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stuff, it's out of my peripheral. Because i'll see something, I'll be

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like, okay, there's something just
there. Is that just me? Maybe

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it was my hair, but I'd
noticed that even this morning when I was

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at my coffee pop get my American
dark coffee. I'm just you know,

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I get my coffee and I always
pour some water in there, and I

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pour it and I see something like
this, like I want to say,

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it's like a quick white miss,
but I see it on up heir peripheral

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and I turn but there's nothing there, and I'm like, maybe I just

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ain't had enough caffeine or maybe I'm
just too sleepy, and that's that's what

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I put it off to you.
For me, I always have an explanation

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of what it could have been then
maybe going huh, that's probably something right

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there. How do you differentiate between
the two then if you sort of like

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think that you're seeing things, but
you could always explain it away, do

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you actually accept that you were seeing
things? So, so my hair is

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kind of long, So like this
morning when I got my coffee, I

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was thinking it in my mind,
I'm like, okay, well maybe it

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was just my hair. My hair
moved and that's what I saw. So

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because sometimes when people explain things away
like that, it's because they don't really

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want to admit that something's there,
especially when you're at home and if you're

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on your own and you're like,
that could have been a shadow but something,

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and I don't want to admit it. So I'm just gonna sort of

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think it's you know, right,
Yeah, I guess for me, I'm

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still I went to call skeptic believer, Oh my god, look at a

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hair Like I believe in the paranormal
but for me to believe it, which

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I know this is going to contradict
me here, I have to see it.

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Okay, even though I'm seeing this
stuff, I guess the probably me

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is like, uh, you know, because I'm afraid if I go,

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hey that was something, or hey
that was something, it may end up

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picking my family out even more.
Even though my kids are on my team.

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Okay, on my besides my two
oldest step daughters, my boys from

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my prest marriage, plus a in
Jenna or on a flatline paranormal now since

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I brought it back, so it's
a family thing. And so have they

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ever seen anything at home then?
Or is it just being the adults?

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You know? Does it bother them
or do you try and keep it them

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unaware of it until they were a
bit older. As far as the boys,

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the boys kind of knew right away. As far as a Jenna when

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they were younger, I kept it
away from him. So I don't want

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say I kept it away from him. I guess I did. I just

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wouldn't talk about it because at the
time I didn't want him freaking out because

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you know, this is when you
know paranormal activity was coming out, you

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know, when they started becoming getting
maybe teenagers. The Conjuring came out,

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and you know when they watch stuff
like that, they're gonna end up in

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bed with mom and Dad. I'm
like, I'm like, you know,

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give me, give me some room, get your food out of my back.

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Bro, I'm gonna throw an elbow
on you or something. Yes,

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room, go stay? You know
what, Dad being dad? You know

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if I get kids to watch the
Conjuring, you know, Dad, sure's

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heck going to find a doll like
that and bring it home. I think

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I think he's the parents and a
parent. If you're a parent, the

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paranormal investigator, it's just this the
thing to do. But we've met.

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When I used to go and get
ready for a paranor investigation, my son

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was quite little and I used to
see them going on a bear hunt,

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but I changed it to I'm going
on a ghost and I'm going to catch

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a big one. And but for
them, they knew what I did because

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I was quite open about it.
But then if they actually what they thought

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a ghost was and what they thought
I was doing with two different things.

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Because they were quite comfortable with the
things that I did. Obviously I didn't

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overshare they just knew what mommy's hobby. But if I mean, my daughter

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saw once and it really scared her, but the thought of me going didn't

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bother. Get so what they thought
a ghost was to what they actually thought

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what I did was completely different.
They separated it. But yeah, they

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it seemed like a normal thing until
it was something that it wasn't right understanding

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it. My kids have already known
in the paranormal. I mean even when

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in Jena were little or younger,
they knew I was in the paranormal field,

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and they would ask some question,
but like I said, I would

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never talk about if there was anything
in the house. And they were curious,

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you know. And we went out
camping one time, and I think

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Aiden was nine, I think Jenna
was seven. I think Devon was probably

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twelve or thirteen. You have a
dev Yes, I do. Yes,

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that is so awesome. Okay,
sorry and no, you're good. And

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we wrapped the campground and I had
my stuff with me, and they wanted

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to see what it was like.
So I sat down with him and I

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let them do a small EVP session
at the campground, and I think that's

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what I intrigued them. And everybody's
like Oh, well you should know,

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you know. If to me,
if a child is interested, then teach

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them, you know, because Aiden, my son, Aiden, he's probably

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one of the best investigators that I've
had the chance to work with. I

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mean, the kid is just really
good, and you know, and I

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think if if it sparks curiosity,
teach him a little bit, don't.

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You don't have to necessarily teach him
about the paranormal. Teach them about the

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scientific part behind it, you know, because that's the good thing to be.

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You know, that's something to incorporate
in school, you know, learning

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about different you know, your em
F fields and whatnot. You know,

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So it's not just that, but
the ability to learn discernment is a good

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skill even outside of the paranormal field. So ask the right questions, yeah,

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is actually a valuable skill anyway.
So it's quite useful because, like

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they say, if you look in
to debunk things in the paranormal, you

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can also ask those questions in real
life, because I mean, that's what

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they do theoretically, what they should
do in science. But a lot of

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things in science get taken for granted
as well, and it doesn't get questioned.

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And it's like, so the ability
to actually not be programmed to accept

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a fact without looking into it is
actually quite valuable skill anyway. And like

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you say, just because you've got
kids doesn't mean you have to sort of

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launch them straight into everything and demons
and really boards and that. But like

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you say, a little VP session
in a safe control I'll say safe outcomping

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really control the environment, and not
at home where you could carge yourself issues

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if you've already got the activity anyway, like to say, you don't want

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to ramp that up. It's just
like say it pizza curiosity, and then

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it's up to them if they want
to look further. Sometimes it's just enough

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for them to go, oh,
yeah, no, I know what that's

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into, and you know, they
go back to you know, what they

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were doing before. You know,
yeah, I know this is interesting.

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And you know, as a parent, that gives me a hobby that I

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can do with my kids and allows
me to spend time with my kids,

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you know, because growing up I
was athletic, so I played a lot

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of sports, you know, where
none of my kids besides and in Jena

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they played soccer for a while,
but they don't play soccer now, so

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there's not a whole lot of hobbies
that I have that they have, you

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know. So doing something like this
and having them a part of it allows

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me to not just investigate, but
also allows me to spend time with my

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kids and let's go out and enjoy
something that's true actly because it was my

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My granddad taught me water divining when
I went to stay with them in Ireland,

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and it was like, it's all
like it's one of the things that

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I actually remember because my mom was
like, oh no, he wasn't into

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that stuff, and I was like, yeah, sure, because he taught

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me to use dousing rods and he'd
got like Eric Const's Chariots and the Gods

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in the bookshelf, and I was
just like, I think there's some things

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that he's not me telling you.
But then, like you say, it's

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it's a fun memory anyway because it's
it's a shared thing. It's like,

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oh, I looked to water divine
when I went to see my grandparents and

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it's like, you know, because
I say, I was never athletic,

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so that, yeah, I've noticed
as well. In America they do a

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lot of camps where they teach young
people how to investigate. We haven't got

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that in the UK, have we
You were already feel like that, Natale.

407
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,559
No, what's like what like youth
camps where they do Yeah in America.

408
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,280
Yeah, I've not heard of that. I think i'd I thought it

409
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,320
when I was younger. There that's
the problem. I actually did that.

410
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:12,199
I held a class when I was
with Ghosts. I thought it would be

411
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,760
cool to go to a place and
let people come and teach them how to

412
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:24,280
investigate using different equipment. And it
was actually a huge it was a great

413
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,320
thing. I mean I think I
had the twenty to thirty people there and

414
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,000
we went out to an old We
went to a place called the Mississina Mississinhowa

415
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,679
battlegrounds from the War of eighteen twelve, and they got to go out in

416
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:47,079
this big battlefield and learn how to
investigate. And what's that place never fails

417
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,519
when it comes to evidence. I
mean, if you have an EMF detector

418
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,599
K two meter or whatever, and
you're in the middle of this battlefield,

419
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,400
you're out in the middle of nowhere
and you're hearing sounds like the cannon's going

420
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:08,639
off, or your k to or
ianth is going off, that's just it's

421
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:15,079
amazing. Because you know, that's
stuff you just can't explain out in the

422
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:20,880
middle of an old battle ground.
So wow, that does sound really cool.

423
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Actually, rather than going to a
spooky building, to actually do it

424
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,760
in o in space is a little
bit less intense, not not intense,

425
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,639
that's the wrong word, because it's
a battlefield. But you know, it's

426
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,159
like it's not an enclosed space.
So to actually sort of be able to

427
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,599
investigate but feel like you're not closed
in is actually a good idea thinking about

428
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:44,920
it really, And it's extremely it's
extremely wide open, and like you said,

429
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960
it's not in closed, so there's
not a ton of people in one

430
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,880
location trying to Lauren, you know, because I mean, you can get

431
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,599
the experience, but you know,
how do you know you're not going to

432
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,480
overwel there were spirits from all that
energy to where they just don't want to

433
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,280
interact with anybody. That's true.
Actually, I never thought of that because

434
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,920
you always sort of think about people
getting overwhelmed by spirit activity, but you

435
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,119
never really think about like large groups
of people in the spirits, like,

436
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:19,519
oh my god, it's like I've
been a bunch of toddlers running around.

437
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,239
I would go and hide in that
closet. If I was a ghost and

438
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,280
that happened to me, I'd be
like, oh my god. Yeah,

439
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,400
I mean think about it. I
mean when you look at places like Waverley

440
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:38,119
and Pennhearst and all that, you
know they have thousands and thousands of people

441
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:44,880
that come through there every year.
And if it's an intellectual spirit you know,

442
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,239
had you know, everybody wants the
same kind of experience. But to

443
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480
me, you're not going to get
to some kind of experience because to me,

444
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:58,880
like you said, maybe that ghosts
like again, no, I'm done

445
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,280
for them for the night. This
ain't going to happen. I mean,

446
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:07,480
unless it's a residual energy that is
gonna you know, it's looping itself over

447
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,920
and over and over. I don't
think everybody, you know, not everybody's

448
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,239
going to have the same experience.
So because we did what we have mentioned

449
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,400
this before, haven't we carry where
we were? Like? Do the ghosts

450
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920
get fed up with being asked the
same questions over? Like you say,

451
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,840
if you've got a spirit there that's
like a little bit more intelligent and like

452
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,079
it's like, you know, not
a residual and they're just sort of like

453
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:37,679
really you're asking me that again,
and like you say, with locations that

454
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,880
are investigated regularly, it's like,
well, it's good like having toddlers,

455
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,599
isn't it. It's like watch,
what's your age? Do you know you're

456
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:52,599
dead? And it's like no,
I did again. You know, the

457
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,760
same questions over and over and over, and I'm sorry. If I was

458
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,239
a spirit, I'd be like,
golly, you guys, just from that,

459
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,199
I'm going to have a shot of
something. It's going to go right

460
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,800
through. But I don't care.
I can't handle this. You can understand

461
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,880
why they start swearing because, like
say, one of the first paranormal investigations

462
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,599
I went on, they were swearing
through the spirit bus and I looked at

463
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,000
the go and I was like,
did you just say what I thought I

464
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,280
said? And they sort of brushed
it away, and I'm like, I'm

465
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,599
pretty certain that was just swear with
oh yeah, swear. And I was

466
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:28,360
like, well, why wouldn't they
you know, they're getting agitated leave me

467
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,639
alone. Yes, So maybe,
like say, when you get some of

468
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,800
these sort of like spirits going off, I thought, you're sort of they

469
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,440
just having a bad day. They
don't want to talk to you anymore.

470
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,239
This language isn't it? And I
think as well with questions, I will

471
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,920
say I'm not I have run out
after asking the obvious ones, like so

472
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,559
well next? So I think sometimes
you get can you get the connection?

473
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,440
You're like, this is great?
Are you getting like you know, intelligent

474
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,519
or you know, interaction going on
where you're talking to something that you know

475
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,039
always someone that you know is giving
you, you know, answers back.

476
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,679
But once you have that moment,
you're like, you ask you your normal

477
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,440
questions. It's like, so you
know what next? So with that in

478
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,119
mind, what are kind of some
original questions that you asked that a little

479
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,760
bit different from what others or how
you've other Yeah, other people have asked

480
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,280
you know, I like to ask
it things like you know, I want

481
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,440
to know what their favorite color is, you know, what food they might

482
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:47,400
miss, maybe what their favorite kind
of music is, you know, because

483
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:53,280
you got to keep it different,
you know, you know, could you

484
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,000
really got to think outside the box
because like you, like we were we

485
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,800
all said a lot of times it's
the same questions over and over and over.

486
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,519
You know, yeah, Hey,
what's your name? How did you

487
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,639
die? Howard? Are you?
Are you male? Are you female?

488
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,960
So? Yeah, I definitely try
to ask questions are outside the box,

489
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:22,000
you know, and that's how you
manage to keep engagement as well, because

490
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,880
it's like, you know, when
you're investigating, you tend to have well

491
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,559
when you're in a group. I've
never done the private investigation other than what's

492
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,039
happened to me personally, but so
I've only ever done group investigations, like

493
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,800
you know, as a person rather
than a team. But it's like you

494
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,599
get burst of activity and they give
you like I don't know, thirty seconds,

495
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,440
maybe a minute, and then they
just disappear, and it's like sort

496
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,159
of like wondering because like at home
and that I get spirits around for like

497
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,079
I mean I have my catboards going
off for like ten minutes one night and

498
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,039
I was like to switch them off
in the end because I was like,

499
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,559
really, stop playing with them.
And it's like but like saying more interested

500
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:04,079
to them, so maybe they want
to hang around a little bit more and

501
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,760
poor a bit more effort in whereas
like you know, everywhere else, they

502
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,440
kind of descend and go, yeah, yeah, we'll just do the ghosting

503
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,199
press the things we're bored now and
just disappear and you're just sort of like

504
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,960
everything gone. But you know it's
like and yeah, so you're sitting at

505
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,559
home and you can have things whizzing
around you for like hours, you know,

506
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,000
even if you don't interact with them, and it's like it is it

507
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,119
is. I find that a bit
strange, the way it just cuts off.

508
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,159
You know. It's I mean,
I know they can get sort of

509
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,480
the energy can get exhausted. So
it's this case of like say, reading

510
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:37,920
the environment, but it is we
need to write a little sort of like

511
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:45,159
alternative ghosts something, questions, no
playbook thing, so if we get bored,

512
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,159
we can just flick through and go, ah, yes, did you

513
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:55,039
ever play the tambourine when you were
alive? Absolutely Martins or crooks? You

514
00:43:55,079 --> 00:44:05,840
know that cracks America? Teal coffee? Do you do you prefer coffee or

515
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:14,000
tea? Yeah? With we never
you with the enemy? Did you dump

516
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,840
it in the sea? That's what
I want to know the dad. You

517
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,079
know, just when it comes to
questions, you just you really got to

518
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:30,880
be outside the box. I mean, and like right now, coming being

519
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,039
in America, you know, it's
a little easier for me to ask questions.

520
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,760
But if I was to come over
there and it'd be different. I

521
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,719
don't even know. If I would
ask questions, it'd be like me going

522
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:51,199
to Ireland or Germany or any places
like that, because well, I'm just

523
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:57,199
gonna say it. Okay, I'm
American, I speak American English. If

524
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,840
I go to Germany and I'm investigating
at World War two place, guess what,

525
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,679
I don't know how to speak German. So what makes me think that

526
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,320
I'm going to get a reply if
I ask it an English question? Not

527
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,760
all Germans spoke English. I'm sorry, And I think that's one of the

528
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:22,239
things that agitates me about the paranormal
fiel, you know, because people go,

529
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,840
oh, I go for the history, and that's amazing, But you

530
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,320
have to think about the history.
You know, I don't speak German.

531
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:36,599
If I was go to France to
Normandy, now American soldiers died there,

532
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:40,440
that would be awesome. The German
soldiers were there too, So I don't

533
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,760
think, like I said, I
can't speak German. So how if I

534
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,920
don't speak German do I expect to
get a reply back? This made you

535
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,440
wonder, actually, you know,
sometimes when you use an equipment and you

536
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,280
just get a period of gibberish,
it may not be Gibberish. It may

537
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,760
just be a different language and can't
translate it. It's like because it's not.

538
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,440
It would be interesting actually with those
some of the app things, like,

539
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:14,039
you know, if they had different
languages programmed into them all at the

540
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:20,000
same time, to see whether that
would actually that's an interesting thought. It's

541
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:24,199
an interesting concept because I've always thought
about that, you know, because I

542
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:32,440
have you know, friends overseas all
over the place, Ireland, the Netherlands,

543
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,920
England, you know, and I
think that's always been one of the

544
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:45,000
biggest things I've talked about, especially
with my buddy Shane over Netherlands and even

545
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:52,760
Mary, you know, because you
know, speaking Dutch and stuff for an

546
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,440
investigation over there, you know,
that's their native language, that's what they

547
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,079
speak. So for me to go
over there, I mean I could ask

548
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,559
questions, but in a sense in
my mind that spirits not going to understand

549
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:13,039
me. It's part of going to
say made reply, you know, but

550
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:15,559
it's going to be apply with something
to me. It's going to be like

551
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,920
I don't understand you stupid, you
know, I don't I don't know what

552
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,000
you're saying, you know. So
I sometimes think when you go when you

553
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,280
see some of the ghost programs and
they go to the foreign countries and they

554
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,880
get English answers. It does make
me wonder like because you've got different kinds

555
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,599
of spirits, and you've got spirits
in the place, but then you've got

556
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:44,199
like your own like ancestor spirits that
hang around you and other ones that are

557
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,360
a little bit more dimensional hopping because
they're a little bit more savvy. And

558
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:55,599
it's like whether the English answers are
just foreign spirits on holidayday, like you

559
00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,159
know, let's have a bit of
fun year, and that is that is

560
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,960
that is a good possibility because like
I said, you know, when I

561
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,559
look at places, some of the
places that I would love to like,

562
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:12,599
I am a huge World War two
person. That's why I brought up Normandy

563
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:17,599
in Germany. I'm sitting on a
seat cushion and it just it keeps sliding.

564
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:25,239
I like seat cushions, and so
so all these places I would love

565
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,760
to go investigate. Just you know, to me that that would just make

566
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:37,119
sense, you know, because I
you know, I would love to go

567
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:42,559
to Normandy into France, you know, but I would want to be able

568
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,760
to ask questions in French better than
English. Go to Germany. I'd rather

569
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:55,320
ask questions in German than English because
I want to know. I don't want

570
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,280
to know the English part of it. I want to know that side Germany

571
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:05,440
and why that soldier did what he
did, you know, and what not.

572
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,920
So it'd be interesting if we sort
of, like say, learned a

573
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,480
few stop questions, even if we
don't understand the answers. And it's like

574
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:17,719
to see whether as a as a
foreign person in a different country and you

575
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,559
asked them in their own language,
whether they would reply to you or whether

576
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:29,480
they would just sperit in their language
because we're not speaking to you, will

577
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:34,000
be an interesting experiment to do,
actually, you know. And I think

578
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,199
I just may go to Boston and
dump some tea in the sea, because

579
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,880
I do believe some American and English
soldiers died, so that would be extremely

580
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,800
interesting. Do you like that tea? Not anymore? It's like it's fighting

581
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,559
thought. This is you know what. I don't mean to be controversial,

582
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:59,719
but I do not like tea or
coffee. I cannot understand why anyone would

583
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:05,840
want to either of those. It's
multi lava. Why did you drink?

584
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,760
No? I understand the concept,
but I don't agree with it, but

585
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,559
you know the concept of tea and
coffee. I understand the concept of it,

586
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:20,480
but I do not agree with it. Bit controversial English person not drinking

587
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,960
tea bas a no from me?
You do hot chocolate then? Or is

588
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,800
it? Is it cold drinks only? Yes? Are you a cold drink

589
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,639
person? Absolutely? Absolutely? What
would be your cold drink equivalent to your

590
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:45,159
coffee? Marx? That's just as
much caffeef not You are basically drinking cold

591
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:50,760
coffee but without the coffee. All
right, Yes, I am yes,

592
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,920
okay, Yes, you've got the
concept down of the caffeine and you've got

593
00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:02,000
the concept there al just not there. Yeah. You know people will ask

594
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,800
me, uh, did you drink
caffeine? Yes? What kind? Yes?

595
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,199
Please tick the boxes. All of
them were saying. We were saying,

596
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,960
he's got that much caffeine in and
that if he does pass on,

597
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:27,880
he'll just carry on walking for three
days until the if he's a live or

598
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:35,679
dead because he's not capidated caffeine,
he'll run out, he'll run out in

599
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,559
a little bit. Just let him
go. You won't be putting soil on

600
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:45,880
your coffee coffee grounds, like just
burying him in a big pile of beans.

601
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Yeah, you know that's a good
idea when when when it's my time,

602
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,880
people better bring me coffee and put
it in my castle. I want

603
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:02,199
to be buried with coffee. There
is company in the UK called it's called

604
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,360
Dead Happy something like that, and
it's an insurance company and you pay for

605
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,800
your funeral insurance for it. But
some of the requests that you can put

606
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,039
that you want to how you want
to buried. One friend said that they

607
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:21,760
were gonna get like a bronze statue
of themselves, like the things you could

608
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,760
do with this company. So I
reckon there might be a Dead Happy equivalent

609
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,719
in America that were quite happily.
Just bury you in a massive coffee bean,

610
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,760
right, coffee bean shaped coffee.
That would be really amazing. You

611
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,400
realize how bad it would be if
somebody want to drink something like that.

612
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,239
This dude's dead, he's dead,
but I'm going to get a rush off

613
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,800
of him because I'm gonna get some
caffeine and me, so we're gonna be

614
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,360
good for the day. Yes,
I have that is it. This Civic

615
00:52:53,519 --> 00:53:00,639
Coffee is its coffee beans Summit.
And then they come out frend and then

616
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,599
they grind the coffee up after it's
gone through this animal, it wouldn't be

617
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,400
I can't remember what the coffee is
called. I think it's this is called

618
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:17,320
I think it's called a cooler cooler, cooler cook like that. Yeah,

619
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,559
So I mean if we sort of
like, you know, round through a

620
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,079
bit and exsumed you fifty years on, it might be a fine roast.

621
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,280
It's an idea anyway, coffee.
It's like, do you want this stuff

622
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,760
for the hard stuff? It's like, this is definitely a dark roast.

623
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:44,639
I'm just saying, you know,
he has it's a cat, and this

624
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:52,760
cat eats these beans and it deprecates
and they get these beans and out of

625
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,519
the poop and you grind it up
and yeah, and I actually want to

626
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,599
try it. It's expensive, but
they say it's a really good coffee.

627
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:06,840
There's no aftertaste. So I mean, hey, you only live once,

628
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,039
man, you know, I'm going
to try me some I was in the

629
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:13,599
army for eight years. Trust me, I tried bad coffee. This can't

630
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:17,480
be any worse. So while she
was in the army, did you experience

631
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:24,199
anything paranormal or did you have any
experiences while she was serving? I did

632
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,199
not, you know, but I
think being in the military, you just

633
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,280
you just kind of blocked off from
everything, if that makes sense, Yeah,

634
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,440
because the training and everything that you
go through is just takes so much

635
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,480
of your time. I used to
work out a prison as a correctional officer,

636
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,920
and it's weird because i was sitting
there one night and I'd heard stuff

637
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,760
about the housing unit I was in. A guy when they were building the

638
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,199
housing unit that I worked in,
a guy had a a massive heart attack

639
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:07,079
and died instantly where the shower room
was, and so every now and again

640
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:12,039
you'd be sitting there and when the
showers were turned on, but no inmates

641
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,960
would be in there. So it
was doing it one night and I'm just

642
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:19,800
kind of walking over there and I'm
just I'm like, ooh, somebody's here,

643
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,199
you know, you know, because
I'm smarter look like that, and

644
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:28,159
you know, I'm trying to bunk
in whatever, and I said, go

645
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,880
back. I set down up my
podium and I'm trying not to doze off,

646
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:38,519
you know, and I have a
normal hat on. So I'm just

647
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,159
kind of sitting there and all of
a sudden, I feel something. It

648
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,880
felt like a spiderweb like that,
and I'm like, I'm like, what

649
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:52,880
the heck, you know, and
there was no spiderweb, and I'm like

650
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:57,960
okay, so I'm like, oh
whatever, and I'm just kind of just

651
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,800
sitting there. My eyes are closing
again. That's again. I'm like,

652
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,920
so to me being a smarter like
that, if that guy was there,

653
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,400
he was just letting me know,
hey, dummy, I am here.

654
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:15,960
Because that's the only thing I can
explain, because you know, that would

655
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,840
have to be a long spider word. Because the cylands are like twenty feet

656
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:29,039
high, So that's a dedicated right
when people developed in their mediumship. So

657
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,639
people developed their mediumship, they sit
in circle. When they first sit in

658
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:37,480
circle and they start developing, the
first thing they say is that where they

659
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:42,400
feel the energy, it feels like
cob webs in your face. Yes,

660
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,519
so it's the interaction of the energy
and feeling an energy that you're not really

661
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:50,039
used to. So that that man
was yeah, I mean he could have

662
00:56:50,079 --> 00:57:00,400
done worse. Oh yeah, a
lot less for sure. This day.

663
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,400
I'm not going to mention the showers. How you doing, buddy, I'm

664
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,800
going to show you. I'm real. Ye, We're not going to go

665
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:20,159
there. There is quite a lot
of prisons over in the states that you

666
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:22,119
cannot un state the obvious. Sorry
Captain obvious over here. But there's lots

667
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:27,239
of prisons that you can investigate.
A lot of people have some weirdings.

668
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,079
I mean, I have never investigated
prison. I don't think I want to.

669
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,599
There's two places types of places I
wouldn't go. The energy there is

670
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:39,800
so intense. So with all that
energy from the inmates as well as the

671
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,559
energy, and that must have been
quite an impacting place to work spiritually,

672
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:51,679
I think, do you think so? Oh? It is my whole demeanor

673
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:58,960
changed. We are a product.
We are a product of Byron environment.

674
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:05,960
I honestly you feel that when it
comes to energy and everything, and I've

675
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:12,920
become a product of that place.
I became angry and hateful because in an

676
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,440
environment like that, that's all there
is, you know, And regardless of

677
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:25,000
what people say, I mean,
racism is alive and well in the prison

678
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:32,519
system on all sides. It's not
just this race or that race being racist,

679
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:39,119
all the races and so, you
know, and that makes it hard.

680
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:46,119
And when you're a correction officer like
I was, you are the enemy

681
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:57,360
regardless. So that makes it stressful
because you're always continuously watching your back you

682
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:05,480
have to because it only takes one
bad person or one person to have a

683
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:09,840
bad day and they can take it
out on you. For me, though,

684
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:17,000
I'm just a respectful guy anyways.
So for me when I went to

685
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:21,719
work, that was my biggest thing. I was still respectful. I didn't

686
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,719
go with this godlike attitude. Hey, you're you're an inmate and I'm a

687
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,039
CEO, and you're going to listen
to what I say. No, because

688
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,559
guess what, I'm a visitor in
their house. I just come in there

689
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,400
and work. A lot of these
guys they lived there twenty four hours a

690
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,280
day, seven days a week,
during six five days a year for however

691
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,760
long they're there. So that's their
house. So you go in there and

692
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,880
you're rude in their house. That's
that's going to be trouble. That makes

693
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,840
a lot of sense, actually,
Yeah, because you don't think about that,

694
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:59,320
that the prisoners actually live there in
it. Yeah. Think do you

695
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,519
think that coach is when we look
at the paranormal when we go investigating these

696
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:08,000
locations that do you think that's the
same type of approach that paranormal researchers to

697
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:14,559
have when they go and do their
investigations. Oh, absolutely. When when

698
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:19,760
you go into a place, you
know, it's all about respectability, you

699
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,199
know, being respectful and stuff.
I mean, it took me a while

700
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,719
to learn that because when I first
started out, I provoked, and I

701
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:35,320
provoked in a bad way, you
know, not demonic or anything, you

702
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,079
know, but you don't think about
that. But now that I'm older,

703
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,679
uh you know, I well,
I provoked, but not in a hateful

704
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,800
way. More of can you touch
me? Can you scratch me? I

705
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:58,360
don't think you can. But yeah, when going in a place I think

706
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:05,360
there was that is a bigger thing
because I think if you go in like

707
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,480
that, there's more of a change
you'll get activity than if you go in

708
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:13,639
there and start being negative, Because
if you start being negative, you may

709
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:17,079
get something you don't want to deal
with. You know, there could be

710
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:24,079
something extremely dark there and you may
end up having to deal with that than

711
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:30,320
something a little bit more friendly.
I think it gives you less chance if

712
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:37,039
you're respectful of things following your home
as well, if you're not being a

713
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:40,679
total idiot when you're there, it's
like they're less likely to sort of want

714
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:46,039
to follow up, you know,
and if you're respectful, they're perhaps a

715
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:53,280
bit more likely to leave you be, yeah, rather than taking something dark

716
01:01:53,360 --> 01:02:00,760
on. And and I don't mean
the demonic, Okay, I'm old school

717
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,800
for me. The way I see
it, in my opinion, your chances

718
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:12,079
are meeting something demonic Nike Zach Begans, who has met every demon in the

719
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:17,679
world, I'm assuming I've never come
across anything like that, and I'm thankful

720
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:24,079
to me. I think your chances
are coming against something demonic is extremely rare.

721
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:30,679
I think there's less than in one
sense, but I think there's you

722
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,880
know, whether it's a polar guys
or something malettle in it that is angry.

723
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:39,679
Oh, absolutely that can happen.
Yeah, I agree. You have

724
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:45,280
good people and bad people in life. There's no reason why they wouldn't be

725
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,199
that way when they pass over.
So that's the way I see it as

726
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:53,239
well. Yeah. And also I
think as well, in terms of engagement,

727
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,480
you get a different level. So
it depends what you want you put

728
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,239
in. So if you're looking for
someone that's gonna if you're looking for an

729
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:05,440
experience where it's going to be a
bit aggressive, are you're going to come

730
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,639
with aggression. And sometimes you gotta
be careful what you wish for because when

731
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,639
you get it, you get it
and then and then it stays with you

732
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,719
for a while. That energy just
sticks to you like glue. So I

733
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,440
think comany energy were just like wanting
to know, and it's just evidence of

734
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:22,239
life after life. That's what I'm
asking for, you know. So,

735
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,599
yeah, you get a different level
of communication, which at the same time

736
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,079
is easier to measure, is easier
to test because the quality and the duration,

737
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:38,559
whereas you get that short burst of
anger and then that's it. I've

738
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:44,360
only been in one situation where we've
had a really really it went bad very

739
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:49,280
quickly, and we was investigating with
a gentleman in who was in the UK,

740
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:52,960
and we had a gentleman that was
in America that joined us through scrap

741
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:58,639
and he was set up where he
was standing next to another guy. The

742
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:02,599
guy was just standing next to the
Something rushed the room and both of them

743
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:04,960
at the same time grabbed the back
of their neck. Bear in mind,

744
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:10,639
this other guy was in Arkansas in
Little Rock and had not couldn't see the

745
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:13,519
other guy, so they couldn't see
each other, but both of them grabbed

746
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,840
themselves by the back of the neck
and it was like get off and yeah,

747
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:20,800
it's we ended up someone ended up
getting really really hurt and we didn't

748
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,840
even provoke. It wasn't even it
was more of a challenge, which there

749
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,360
was a member challenging it like,
and that's kind of how it went really

750
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,199
bad, really quickly. And that
was the only time I think I've ever

751
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,599
been in a situation where it's happened, and I would never want to be

752
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:40,599
in that situation again. It really
shook us up. So he's be careful

753
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:45,199
you wish for as well in the
problem as well, it's like you never

754
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,920
quite know what you're dealing with.
So it's like, you know, you

755
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:54,559
get a lot of entities and masquerade
as spirits, so you think you're dealing

756
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:59,159
with the spirit and then like you
say, if you if you are vulnerable

757
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,679
or the wrong situation or like say
you've just got the right environmental factor is

758
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,559
happening and then suddenly it just turns
on you and you're like, I wasn't

759
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:11,199
expecting that, because that happened to
me a few times with the healing,

760
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,920
where I've thought I was dealing with
one thing and it's been something completely opposite,

761
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,840
and I'm like, oh, where
did that come from? You know,

762
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,599
it's all I was not expecting that
one. So yeah, I mean,

763
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:25,800
you know, there's no that's the
problem with the paranormal field, isn't

764
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,079
it, Because it's like the things
you can't take things that face value.

765
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,000
It's like, you know, like
say with the kids, it's like some

766
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,280
of the creepiest things, isn't it
is the kids? And then you find

767
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,119
out it's not a kid and it's
an entity, you know, or you

768
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:45,159
think it's an entity, but it's
actually a kid, I mean naughty,

769
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,719
you know. So it's like,
you know, it's a whole other level

770
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,960
of discernment beyond even is there something
there? You're like, is there something

771
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:54,840
there? But is it actually what
it says it is? You know,

772
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,960
And it's it's a lot harder to
say. You don't often find outtil you

773
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:03,960
start poking, or if you've got
a certain spiritual energy because I've said before,

774
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:09,639
I don't always get the nice ones
because my energy is a little bit

775
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,840
sort of more spiritual. So it's
sometimes it's like I'll be like oh yeah,

776
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:15,679
la, and then bam, it's
like, well, you know,

777
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,039
it's like, you know, you're
seen as being aggressive when you're not being

778
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:26,199
aggressive just because your energy is like, what's the word contrary to their so

779
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,719
they don't like it and they go
on the offensive. So yeah, no,

780
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,159
it's it's sort so I'm always really
cautious anyway, And it's like,

781
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,039
but it is interesting the way these
things can suddenly shift and you just sort

782
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:42,119
of like or it's like you flip
from one vibrational field to another. So

783
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:45,480
you're dealing with ghosts and suddenly the
vibration shifts and you're no longer on ghost

784
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:50,039
land. You're on something else land, you know, or history land,

785
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:56,800
or it can shift and you don't
always get forewarning of it either. I

786
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,079
suppose that's what makes the investigations so
fascinating, isn't it, Because it's constantly

787
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:04,760
changing from one second to the next, and you think you're dealing with one

788
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:10,320
thing and you suddenly find yourself in
a whole different world that you know,

789
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,599
and then another one after that straight
away. But well that's my experience anyway

790
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:19,039
so far. No, And that
makes perfect sense. And I think one

791
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:25,320
of the things is with these the
younger generation coming up is they don't understand

792
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,880
that m and I'll keep saying it. With all these shows out there,

793
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,079
they glamorize the paranormal. All this
is cool and that's cool. And yah,

794
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:41,840
you know they don't understand. Okay, this hobby can be boring as

795
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:46,760
hell. Okay, yeah, I'm
going to happen, going to happen.

796
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:53,800
And there's times that don't happen,
but there's times that does. And they

797
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:58,360
I think, like you said,
they think it's one thing when it's actually

798
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:04,280
something else, and they're not prepared
for that. And like I said,

799
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:12,440
I feel that a lot of these
shows glamorize everything because now you got all

800
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:17,159
these teams coming out with younger kids, and they're not in it for the

801
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:21,920
paranormal. They're in it for the
fame. Everybody heaps. Too many people

802
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:28,319
in this field won fame, and
it's not about that. You know,

803
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,079
you're supposed to be out here helping
people, but now it's glamor. You

804
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:35,399
know, they want the glamor of
it all. See. It's a bit

805
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:41,640
concerning with that as well, is
because when you it's the one book bear

806
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:47,359
I have with the pure paranormal investigation
field is that they're they're ignore the spiritual

807
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,399
aspects of it. And it's like
some of these things, like you say,

808
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:55,800
if you're going in with the wrong
energy or the wrong wheness that there

809
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,880
are other things out there and they
are bigger than you. It's like you

810
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:03,159
go in there with hubris and it's
like ego, and it's like and you

811
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:08,800
are at some point going to get
or you're going to annoy annoy the spirits

812
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,359
of the place, so that the
people that come afterwards, you know,

813
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,640
are going to have something else happened
that they weren't prepared for. And it's

814
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:23,199
like that because I do feel sometimes
that they downplay the side effects of things

815
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,399
like this on a spiritual and a
mental and emotional level. It's like,

816
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,800
oh, yeah, it's cool,
we'll go go something, we'll get famous.

817
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,560
But it's like you can also have
nightmares and things following you around,

818
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:39,119
paranoia, you know, and all
the other things have bad luck and all

819
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:42,479
these other things that can happen to
you, and you know, if you're

820
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,039
not prepared to deal with that,
Like say, it's similar to working in

821
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:49,960
the prison. The environment affects you, and it's like you can have character

822
01:09:50,079 --> 01:09:56,640
changes and things with paranormal investigators after
all while their character changes and it's like,

823
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,760
so, yeah, it does bother
me sometimes, and like you say,

824
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:06,239
it's it's all about the fame and
the kids don't have the same fears

825
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:12,920
the wrong word to use, but
perhaps respect but weariness perhaps is a little

826
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,239
bit better. They will they're all
brought up to believe that, you know,

827
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,960
it's it's not what it seems,
and it's not because I mean,

828
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,079
if you look at our folklore,
I mean, our folklore is really dark,

829
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:30,000
and it's always warning us of the
dangers of the unconscious and out in

830
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:32,439
the woods and the thing. I
mean, I've wondered the woods on my

831
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,399
own before now, and I've seen
things in the woods, and I'm thinking,

832
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:41,920
should I be out here because I'm
not the only I'm the only human

833
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:45,239
here and these things are not human, you know, and you know,

834
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:54,479
but I don't know. It's just
something that growing up my generation, we

835
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,960
don't talk about that kind of stuff. Mm hmm. You know, I

836
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:01,079
was born in so many grew up
in the eighties and nineties or what not.

837
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,079
We didn't talk about that. I
mean, something what happened You tell

838
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:15,319
your parents and they'd be like apps
and that. And now, like I

839
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:20,880
said, you know, kids growing
up, they're almost everywhere everywhere, and

840
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:26,439
it's just it's crazy, Like I
mean, it's cool to see that's more

841
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:32,199
accepted now and people can talk about
it. But like you said, in

842
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:39,640
this field now, I think people
jump into it without really knowing about it,

843
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:46,119
and and I think that's from the
biggest problems because it's who accessible for

844
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:48,960
them in a way, you know, because like you say, you did

845
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:55,279
how many months of training and sort
of like it sort of filtered you into

846
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:58,119
it, and it's it's sort of
like even with me, it's sort of

847
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,199
like being sort of like slow and
over the years, and it's like,

848
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,199
but whereas now, I mean,
all they need to do is watch so

849
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:09,560
many ghost programs on YouTube, get
their mobile phanes, and they're off out

850
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,239
into the dark places. Yeah,
yeah, I don't know. It's a

851
01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:16,319
catch twenty two. I think because
it's nice that it's accessible, but at

852
01:12:16,319 --> 01:12:21,560
the same time, I'd rather there
were a few more caveats. But I

853
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:26,640
don't know, honest, that's just
my own experiences with it. It's I

854
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,720
wouldn't have liked to fill it when
I was a teenager. I think it

855
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,840
would have messed my head up.
So that's just I agree. And I

856
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:41,560
think we spend a lot of time
alive but working with death, and I

857
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:46,359
think sometimes normal normalized. Is it
a lot more than what we it should

858
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,079
be. So there was a long
period of time where I was more focused

859
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:56,199
on death and being dead, not
me physically, but then it takes me

860
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,279
my life because I was up investigating
and then I'm sleeping during the day,

861
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,239
so it was effecting me. But
then at the same time you think,

862
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,079
so, you know, got,
I don't want to be that person.

863
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:12,399
Also apologize, But mental health is
something that's we're in crisis at the moment,

864
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,439
and people working with the wrong equipment. It's not even talking, not

865
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:21,359
even working with the energies, but
working with equipment. It becomes addictive and

866
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:27,319
except then everything rolls around it.
There was one person that I knew in

867
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:30,640
particular that GOT that enjoyed. I
don't know if you remember, but the

868
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:38,800
was it Danny Big Beard and the
Echo Box. There was two camps.

869
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,359
I remember there had been a rival
going on. There was two camps and

870
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,600
they brought out these apps and there
was one person in particular that I knew

871
01:13:46,039 --> 01:13:51,000
that really kind of was in one
of the camps and used this particular piece

872
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:58,399
of equipment, and yeah, I
don't know. I think sometimes these things

873
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:03,159
affect people in a way that maybe
they don't realize or and I'm talking in

874
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:08,359
general much just about this person.
In general, if you become invested in

875
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:13,640
this particular piece of equipment, I
think it can take over a little bit.

876
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,319
And I think we've got young people
that have got pieces of equipment that

877
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,680
they invest into. Probames a big
part of them. It's addictive. You

878
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,319
want to get more, you want
to do more, so you push your

879
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:27,640
boundaries more and you got find places
that really shouldn't be in more. And

880
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,439
yeah, I think it becomes a
big part of their life. So I

881
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:38,279
think we have that danger of people
have it been influenced by the technology that

882
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:42,279
we use that already might be in
a vulnerable position because of their mental state.

883
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:45,079
And I'm not saying this person had
any kind of those conditions. It

884
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,359
was just an example, But I
think mental health does play a part as

885
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:54,720
well of young people. In young
people, and they're that natural drawn to

886
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,279
the darker side of things. Yeah, I had a point. I don't

887
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:05,239
know if I'm made that point,
And I think a lot some of the

888
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:14,479
phone apps contribute to that because they're
easily accessible and easily downloaded, and some

889
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,920
of them, if you read it
says for entertainment purposes only. But too

890
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,239
many people they don't take it as
entertainment. They take it as factful.

891
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:31,960
And I Ghost Radar to me is
one of them. It says for entertainment

892
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,159
purposes only. But I've had people
get a hold of me using this thing.

893
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:42,159
And you know, it's got three
lights here and oh my god,

894
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,560
they're right here. They're sitting next
to me, and this and that,

895
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,359
and you can go in with all
your equipment go like, listen, dude,

896
01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:48,560
I don't know what you're looking at, but there's nothing. I'm not

897
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:55,119
getting anything, and they'll argue with
you over that. Oh I know this

898
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:59,600
gohoest raight r. It's it's showing
me and it's telling me this and that,

899
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,359
and I like and I like,
I said to me, that is

900
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:09,640
probably just the huge, hugest thing, like yeah, for god that's been

901
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,960
in this field, you know,
seventeen years. I mean, I've seen

902
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:18,680
it evolve in what it's become to. And I like pieces of equipment just

903
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:28,039
like the next person. And I'm
always looking to get my next personal experience.

904
01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:36,640
But you gotta separate yourself from just
to entertainment fun side of it that

905
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:45,159
some apps provide and to you know, apps that you really think is going

906
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:48,319
to help you out. So I
think the important thing as well as like

907
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:59,760
being able to switch from investigating mode
back into normal mode. It's like,

908
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:02,239
you know, because like you say, it's sort of dealing with ghosts and

909
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:05,000
things is a bit of a high
anyway, and then you can get a

910
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:11,960
spiritual rush from sort of raising your
consciousness to access that level, but you

911
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:16,520
also need to be aware of it
that you can switch it back down again.

912
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,840
And it's like, I think a
lot of people sort of like forget

913
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:27,119
that they need to be able to
switch into that mode and switch out of

914
01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:30,039
or at least, you know,
unless you're like a medium and be able

915
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:33,640
to turn it down, you know. And I sometimes you know, it's

916
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,560
like like you say, when you
investigate too much or you've done too many

917
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,279
EVPs over too many days, your
brain goes a little bit screwy and you

918
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,199
just sort of like, I really
need to stop this for a bit and

919
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:49,439
actually just you know, go outside
and do physical things or go down the

920
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,600
gym, and it's like actually get
back in my body and sort of like

921
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:59,560
you know, and reset. Otherwise
you do lose your ability to be grounded

922
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,159
in real life, and then it
starts becoming really confusing as to what is

923
01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:08,560
real and what isn't, because it's
harder to prove what's real and what isn't

924
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,720
when you're dealing, like you say, and you've got the death aspect of

925
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,319
it, and like say, the
addiction and the tech, and they're using

926
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:21,119
the addictive psychology that they've developed in
the casinos and things to sort of keep

927
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:25,640
you going with it, and but
you're also you know, it's it is

928
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:30,159
a form of like drug in a
weird kind of way anyway, because of

929
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,640
the bio biological things that happen.
I mean, we have the ancient these

930
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:38,920
system and we as human beings,
we crave that, we crave fear,

931
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,359
We prime it all the time.
So you have things like the haunted houses

932
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:48,600
in I think it's in Holland,
but only forty percent of them complete it,

933
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:53,279
and it's sold out for a period
of time. It's sold out,

934
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:58,279
and they report like people urinating on
themselves, throwing up, but they still

935
01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:00,079
do it and they still go back
because what they're looking for is that adrenaline

936
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:05,159
that you get, and essentially that's
what we get from investigating is a rush.

937
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:11,479
Is the US prime and our fear
system. So it is a bit

938
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,560
of a drug actually, and it
can overtake if you don't take control.

939
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,600
And I think every I think all
paranormal researchers in their time have had a

940
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:24,479
period in their life where it was
just about going out looking for ghosts and

941
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,000
catching evidence. I think everyone's had
that, and then we've had to regulate

942
01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:30,840
ourselves, and I think that's when
it kind of pull away, and then

943
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,800
you always get pulled back. So
yeah, it is interesting. But I

944
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:42,760
will say we've kept you over time, Scott. We've kept you over so

945
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:48,319
that I've enjoyed the conversation. So
I know we've covered it at the beginning.

946
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,119
But where can we find you?
When can we find you? What

947
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:56,600
are you involved with? What have
you got coming up? So you can

948
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:08,399
find me on Facebook and h YouTube
and TikTok under the Paranormal Jackass Podcast year

949
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,760
I'm looking at my dog. I
don't know what you want, but you

950
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,680
ain't getting done. Of course,
you can email me at PJ Podcast twenty

951
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:27,399
three at gmail dot com. Flatline
Paranormal as well is on on Facebook as

952
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,640
well. Right now until the end
of the year, I am absolutely free.

953
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:38,159
I will be bringing up my podcast
season two for the Paranormal Jackass next

954
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:42,680
month. I don't have a set
date, but I'm working on it.

955
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,479
At it's just for the last year
and a half, I've worked two jobs

956
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,760
and so I've had very little time
to do anything, and as a January

957
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:56,520
fifth, I would be back down
at working one job. So finally I

958
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:04,119
got that. Yes, so I
am excited about that and my kids,

959
01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:09,119
so Dad, it's time to go
to some other places to investigate. My

960
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:12,520
daughter wants to go to the Conjuring
House, which they are taking openings,

961
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,239
so we'll see about that. I
know they weren't. They want to go

962
01:21:18,359 --> 01:21:21,680
back to down at Waverley Hills,
so I'm going to make hopefully make that

963
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:28,640
happen. And I believe in September
I will be returning two Pinhursts for a

964
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:33,720
second time and Gettysburg. So I'm
excited about that. That does sound exciting.

965
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,399
We'll make sure you share all of
your new beginnings with us and we

966
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,119
make sure we listen share it with
our listeners. It's been absolutely amazing to

967
01:21:42,199 --> 01:21:46,760
have you nellieve your Gunny last questions
before we find let's Scott Free. No,

968
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:53,359
I think we've I think we've shocked
everyone and covered the fair range of

969
01:21:53,439 --> 01:22:00,399
topics for tonight. Thank you,
thank you ladies so much much. I

970
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,720
have to this is probably one of
the better shows where we've just sat down

971
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,079
and come just have a great conversation
and just talk about things. And you

972
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:15,319
know, thank you ladies so much. You come back again at some point

973
01:22:15,399 --> 01:22:20,880
as well. Absolutely what she's in
for at least, And with that being

974
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,479
said, when season two starts up, I gotta have you ladies on on

975
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:30,439
my show and so you the other
side of what it's like to be around

976
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:38,840
me. Absolutely, I'll be there
with Bells on. Yeah, thank you,

977
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,560
thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for everyone that's

978
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,399
listened, and we look forward to
having Scott back and we most definitely look

979
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,920
forward to joining him on his show. Everything you need to everywhere you'll be

980
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,279
able to find Scott. We'll make
sure we link onto this show as well,

981
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,560
and we'll say goodbye, thank you, thank you,