Hi, Welcome to seven Sanctum podcast, Gateway to the Unknown and the Paranormal.
I'm the one of the co hosts, Natalie. I've got Carrie Anne
with me. She's waving right if you don't save me, she's waving.
And I apologize tonight because I don't have very much voice, so if it
disappears, I'll let you know in advance. It's like carry can take over
and with us tonight, we've got special guests Scott Wilson, who is a
founder of and lead investigator in Flatline Paranormal from Indiana in America. He's a
para comedian I think one of a kind and pretty unique. And he's also
the host of his own podcast, Paranormal Jackass, and he co hosts another
show which is a little bit wilder, called The Unholy Trinity, So if
you're feeling brave, check that out on the Parallance is It Paralleance Network.
Scott and his co host Howard Petrie and they get a little bit crazy there.
So we're going to try and keep it fairly. Want to control today,
which given that we're starting the fact that we're trying to record this mercury
retrograde is going to be very interesting and right. So welcome to our podcast.
Scott. Thank you. I am excited, you know. You know.
You're like, we're going to keep this kind of mild, and I'm
thinking, yeah, you realize you got on your show like it is me,
you know me, because I was like, if I start riffing off
you and youffing up me, Carrie is going to switches off before people.
If we gave it carried away, carried just do this this stop it.
Yeah. The Holy Trinity is an extremely off the wall podcast. We it
is not for the pain of heart. It is a hardcore n C seventeen
show. We had the weirdest topics ever, you know, stuff like having
sex with the sasquatch, you know, Bigfoot, you know, and it
just yeah, like I said, if you're easily offended this, that is
not the show for you. I'm just saying, yeah, I have questions.
I have questions have already. At first, I was like, oh,
okay, because within the paranormal it's really great to have like really broad
conversations. And when you first said that, I was like okay, And
then I'm thinking, wait, hold on, like is this something that because
you hear reports with people with succubuses and inkbuses and all sorts where there's reports.
Has there actually been reports of people saying that they've slept or had intimate
times with a big foot or is this just a kind of broader topic we're
discussing normally. It's just a topic we discussed, like we've never I've heard
anybody of actually having suck with the SaaS croush because it would be like extremely
interesting, I have to you know, I mean, Ron, how'd you
get that close? I mean, they didn't rip you apart? And number
two, if you did have sex with a sasquatch or bigfoot, how did
it rip you apart? Because it's a giant man eight thing like eight feet
tall, so you know he's not going to be or he's not going to
be little. You know what I'm saying, don't you if people getting abducted
by big big foot, but they don't tend not to come back on the
tree real agat and you know, and as far as you know, like
you said, suck us and you know, incubous, we I don't think
we've covered that, but that it would be interesting to actually interview somebody that
has claimed that because there is there is a gentleman actually that's linked to the
ram Inn in the UK. They says he has he had regular visits and
intimacy. For the life of me, I cannot remember the general sign,
but I will as the podcast goes on and will find him. I will
find out this information and I'll let you know because he I watched the documentary
based on his experiences and it's very interesting. I'm interested in the psychological aspect
of that, the kind of what is happening for that person. But at
the same time, yeah, you hear a lot about this, but that's
the first time I've ever heard that concept with Big He took a turn left,
really went left quite quickly, Okay, trying to keep some degree of
control for at least most of the podcasts, Like you should have wondered way
off I was going to say, and I knew he sent you a message
saying please behave yourself because I'm going to myself. And it's like, it's
like, I'm really sorry, Kerry and listeners. Not intending to open with
that. I was going to open with your paranormal investigation and your podcast before
we launched. We've we've gone back withs just happens. You know, this
is me. That's why they made a paranormal comedian, because you know,
just the stuff that comes down in my mouth and my head, Like I
don't think they cooperate that much because like my brain will be like, don't
say that, and all the sad in my mouth is like, hey,
check this out. You know, I was going to say a two year
old sort of like switching between the brain and the mouth, and it's like,
oh, just disconnect this this sensitionship. Yes, you know, because
I was going to say, I mean, I've had sex with a succubus.
I call her my wife, but you know it's the same concept.
You know, she's got my soul and yeah, you are owned? You
are you are owned? Well I can say that because she's not home.
So we'll get the reports later when we make sure that we send it to
her, when we'll make sure we done right. Yeah, we'll make sure
to message her in when we release this episode three weeks before weeks before you
have to start packing. So we've been with paranormal investigations in mind. How
did you get involved in the paranormal? Where did your journey begin? I
got into the Paranormal back in two thousand and seven. It's actually when ghost
Hunters Paps first him out, and we all used to just sit around and
watch it. And my oldest stepdaughter Syana was we got we'd get this,
uh the newspaper every every week and she was reading through it one day,
don't know what the wanted ads and this and that, and there was an
ad in there it says wanted, Uh, do you want to be a
ghost hunter? Reply here with an email and she's like, Scott, you
should do that. And I'm like, no, that's stupid. And she's
like, come on, you never know, I mean, don't you want
to know? And I'm like, well, I don't know. So eventually
they ended up talking me into it and I send an email say listen,
I'm interested in this man, uh you know, and I got to meet
email back saying hey, we would like to meet you. You know,
let's mean that McDonald's. I said, okay, So I go to McDonald's
and a guy that I actually went to school with, Bart Berry, was
one of the guys, and then Chris Daniel's the other gentleman, and they
actually said down and interviewed me and they loved the interviewing stuff, and so
they brought me on to their team, which was called Ghost ghost Hunting Organizational
Sightings Team. And I actually started out in training first, like you know,
I just didn't get in and start being a paranormal investigating like. I
actually started as a trainee and they trained me on, you know, how
to do EVPs, how to listen to them, how to go over photos
and everything, so you know, and I basically did that for like eight
months until I actually became a full time investigator. So and I did that
with them for about for about three years and worked my way up to being
a case manager, getting us places to go and whatnot. And then Martin
Christ decided they were going to step down and retire for a while. So
I'm like, okay, well, you know, I get that. So
probably about four months went by and I'm like, you know, I kind
of miss this. Maybe I'll start my own team. And every buddy of
mine will fry He's like, dude, I'll be on your team. I
said, okay, you know, let's do this. Let's let's start a
team. And uh. We brought another guy, Keith Hartley, on and
at the time, we were called Indiana Apparition Sidings Team I A S T
and both of my stepdaughters, Shyenna and Alyssa were on and we did a
little bit of this and that, And I actually had sat down and talked
to Joe New York that one time about him coming on to my team,
but at the time our schedules just did not mesh together, so we were
on opposite schedules, so he wasn't able to come on. Will step down
and I'm like, you know, I like the name Indianapolish and Signings Teams,
but it's not what I like, like, like, I want a
name that I'm going to be like yes, And I sat down one night
and it was just going all these different names, and I'm like, I
come up with a flat line. I'm like, dude, I like that,
Like I can imagine the logo of a ghost with a flat line.
And I ended up changing the flat line and bringing the whole new crew in,
with Leona Burns staying already Keith Hartley and I did that for a couple
more years, but I got tired of running it like a business because back
then we didn't have all these places like Raverley Hills Penhurst chains Aller, Jenny,
you couldn't go to places like that, so you're always trying to get
into to do residential. So you made it out to be more like a
business so people could invite you into do investigation there. And I just I
got worn out on it, and I was like, you know, I'm
done for a while. I retired, so I'd retired for a little bit.
And then, of course Jeremy York, who is founder of Things Paranormal
and Things Network, I've known Germany for fifteen years or so, he kept
wanting me to come back in a paranormal and be on his team. And
I think that was back then twenty nineteen, and it took him a while,
but finally I decided to come back out of retirement. And you fight,
It happens a lot with paranormal stuff anyway, doesn't Everyone seems to go
through phases where they get burnt out. And it's like, do you think
it was the stress of running the team that caused you to burn out or
do you think it was just like it's a common thing in the paranormal world
that you have to sort of go into and come out of it for a
bit and go into, you know, because it's quite intense energies anyway,
and it can be quite exhausting and mentally and emotionally and spiritually. Actually,
I sometimes think it's more of a spiritual thing. You know. You sort
of get burnt out sort of dealing with that kind of thing, and you
have to kind of come back to normal life for a bit to reset your
brain. Otherwise you go a little bit gargar, I think with it.
So do you think it was that that was like cause you to sort of
retire for a bit or just you'd sort of done for a while. Yeah.
A part of it was running the team, and I think another part
of it was I just lost the enthusiasm for it, you know, because
when you're out there doing that, you know, and you're running a team,
you know, at the time, you're putting so much time and energy
into posting things on your team's website. Because we were posting EVPs, we
were putting pictures, So you're doing that, and like I said, you're
running it like a business. And I think to that point it was no
longer fun because it was no longer about me and me wanting to go out
and have fun and do stuff. It became more of wanting to please and
do everything for everybody else, you know, because like a lot of times
now when you do residential, I think it's become more common where people want
you to come and they want you to find something no matter what you know,
and it don't work that way. And that's my biggest thing is I
will never ever fake evidence and I will never pretend they're something there. If
there's something there, that's good, that's awesome. But if there's not something
there, I'm going to tell you there to me, there's nothing here.
Now, does that mean it's not there, that there is absolutely nothing there?
No, It just means when I came in that night, I had
no activity. Yeah. Yeah, So I find I agree with you when
you say that people can't we people bring you into their own property. It
is because they are already feel like they're experiencings, and I think they bring
people in because they want their validated. And so when that doesn't quite go
that way, there is that conflict and like you said, doesn't mean there's
nothing there, just means that at that time you was unable to pick things
up. And also we do have that where people interpret different types of activity
that could be put down to other things. It kind of grows arms and
legs and kinds of runs away. And when people bring people it is to
get validation and talking about when we come. I mean, there's a few
times where I've kind of come away from the paranormal. It always calls you
back in. I don't. I think it's more about the fact that I
don't think it's so much that people come away because they are It's not so
much about burnout, I don't think. I think. I think sometimes it
runs its course and then naturally life gets in its way, but it always
calls you back in. It's just it's be addicted. It's addicting. Should
I say, Yeah, it is. And now that all these big names,
these big teams like you know, TAPS and Ghost Adventurers and not at
all, all these big name teams have opened the doorway for it, the
paranormal teams to go into these big, huge places. Yeah, it's amazing.
I mean, and I think that's one of the biggest things that pulls
people into it, is the chance to go to a Waverley Hills or Alcatraz
or something like that, to experience something like that. I agree, and
I think shows like that make the paran more paranormal, more accessible. But
I feel like sometimes even though it's kind of open the remit for people to
come in and be able to experience for themselves, I think that sometimes these
bigger locations make it less accessible for people. I think finance and have people
being able to come along and stuff, I think I do think it's a
little bit gatekeepery in terms of, yes, the paranorm was more accessible and
more acceptable now, but not everyone's able to experience those things because the cost
of being able to do it is I think it's got excessive to be able
to book locations is gone. It's very steep nowadays, you know. And
I always stop hobbies like me getting in the golf or bowling stuff like that
was expensive. Well that stuff is nowhere expensive as this hobby, ghost higning,
because ghost hugning is probably the most expensive hobby there is between all the
technology and like you said, different locations and the prices, I mean,
it's just it's crazy, you know. And I mean you can get to
some of these locations and it will be a decent price, but if there's
twenty people there, to me, that's hard. I don't want to go
with onny people because then I'm not going to get the experience that I want,
you know, because there's going to be so much tainted evidence. Everybody's
because when you get in with different people and different teams, everybody has the
own way of the way they do stuff, you know, and I respect
that, but that's also what makes it hard for different teams because what works
for them may not work for us, and what I do they may not
want to do. So, but I like, I like going for the
I like going for the history of everything and just taking it all in.
Yeah, I agree, I think that's quite fascinating, and I think as
well, you're right, it's parallel. Research is very subjective, and we
all develop our own techniques and the way we like to work, especially if
you work on an an energy basis. But it is also when you're working
with someone else, it's quite intrusive because, like you said, they work
their way, you work your way. It doesn't always blend, so then
you're not the focus on Then getting the evidence isn't there because it's there's this
friction that's kind of not marrying. So it becomes more about that than it's
just about the environment and stuff that we investigate, is so I do agree.
So with investigations, if you was to what is your one of your
favorite places to investigate and also what is the one that gave you the most
evidence? If that's not the same location, Uh, let me see right
now, my favorite that I had investigated would be Penhurst. And I'm not
taking anything Waverley Hills, but Pinhurst is just absolutely amazing. Like they're both
huge. Waverley and Pinhurst are both huge. I mean, good lord,
I mean at Penhurst, I think there's five six buildings that you can go
into, so that's pretty awesome. And probably the one place where I've gotten
the most evidence is where I'm sitting right now, my house. All right,
So how do you feel about investigating? I mean, I have,
I do tested my equipment in my property, and I do. I've got
a video of a entity on the spirit box telling me to f off quite
ferociously, and I'm wondering how long that spirit has wanted to tell me to
because I got meant it, I got I got you on that one.
So for me, my kids always told me there was something in this house.
I never believed them ever. You know, they said that the bathroom
door would open. You know, I debunk That is what I like to
do. I like to debunk things, whether it's the wind, you know,
the doors, you know, little off balance to where it can swing.
So I look at that stuff and I blew it off for the longest
time. And my sister, my sister Heather, came in from Kentucky and
and I was already in bed, and they came in and I come down
and she said, I just seen Jena, which is my youngest daughter.
Jenna was probably eight or nine at the time, and she goes but she
went in her room and now I didn't see her. I'm like, what
are you talking about. She's like, well, I said hi to her,
but she didn't say nothing. I said, well, Jenna's all sleep
upstairs in our room. And she's like what and she she explained, this
little girl with blonde hair, blah blah blah. And I'm like, eh,
yeah, maybe maybe you're just tired. Well, then like three nights
later, my buddy Shannon Rodney, because we were getting to have a huge
cookout over summer, and we're in the house and Shannon, who is an
empathy she feels everything. The heather was outside in the garage and we were
in the house, and then Shannon starts telling me about this little girl in
the house blonde hair and stuff. I'm like, now, wait a minute,
now, this is getting kind of freaky. So I decided to do
a investigation here at the house and me staying all right, and my buddy
William or upstairs in my boys' room where they always said there was the most
activity, and we're just kind of goofing off, and me being me the
smart lift that I am. I said, this is my house. Now
said you know that I am the butcher and you are the B word.
Well, I actually have an EVP coming back and just calling me the bit
the B word, and I'm like, whoa wait a minute. So that
was odd. And then it sounded like somebody had taken a huge bottle of
water. It was tipping it and making the water sound as well. So
that's probably that I probably have more activity. I had more activity in this
house than any other house, I mean, or places I investigated, whether
it's got it on evidence or not, because I mean, I live with
one of the biggest skeptics ever, and that's my wife and for her to
sit there and us be in bed one night and see a little boy at
the end of our bed who she thought was our son, ateing and kept
asking what he wanted and this and that because she was just standing there to
me turning on the light and nothing being there. Yeah, there's some that's
an interesting experience. I don't know. I don't know how I respond to
objectively seeing something. I think I've only seen objectively seen something once and at
that put I was like, no, don't ever show you yourself like again.
Never I was like this today. See, I'm one of those people.
And I don't know. For me, I think if I do see
stuff, it's out of my peripheral. Because i'll see something, I'll be
like, okay, there's something just there. Is that just me? Maybe
it was my hair, but I'd noticed that even this morning when I was
at my coffee pop get my American dark coffee. I'm just you know,
I get my coffee and I always pour some water in there, and I
pour it and I see something like this, like I want to say,
it's like a quick white miss, but I see it on up heir peripheral
and I turn but there's nothing there, and I'm like, maybe I just
ain't had enough caffeine or maybe I'm just too sleepy, and that's that's what
I put it off to you. For me, I always have an explanation
of what it could have been then maybe going huh, that's probably something right
there. How do you differentiate between the two then if you sort of like
think that you're seeing things, but you could always explain it away, do
you actually accept that you were seeing things? So, so my hair is
kind of long, So like this morning when I got my coffee, I
was thinking it in my mind, I'm like, okay, well maybe it
was just my hair. My hair moved and that's what I saw. So
because sometimes when people explain things away like that, it's because they don't really
want to admit that something's there, especially when you're at home and if you're
on your own and you're like, that could have been a shadow but something,
and I don't want to admit it. So I'm just gonna sort of
think it's you know, right, Yeah, I guess for me, I'm
still I went to call skeptic believer, Oh my god, look at a
hair Like I believe in the paranormal but for me to believe it, which
I know this is going to contradict me here, I have to see it.
Okay, even though I'm seeing this stuff, I guess the probably me
is like, uh, you know, because I'm afraid if I go,
hey that was something, or hey that was something, it may end up
picking my family out even more. Even though my kids are on my team.
Okay, on my besides my two oldest step daughters, my boys from
my prest marriage, plus a in Jenna or on a flatline paranormal now since
I brought it back, so it's a family thing. And so have they
ever seen anything at home then? Or is it just being the adults?
You know? Does it bother them or do you try and keep it them
unaware of it until they were a bit older. As far as the boys,
the boys kind of knew right away. As far as a Jenna when
they were younger, I kept it away from him. So I don't want
say I kept it away from him. I guess I did. I just
wouldn't talk about it because at the time I didn't want him freaking out because
you know, this is when you know paranormal activity was coming out, you
know, when they started becoming getting maybe teenagers. The Conjuring came out,
and you know when they watch stuff like that, they're gonna end up in
bed with mom and Dad. I'm like, I'm like, you know,
give me, give me some room, get your food out of my back.
Bro, I'm gonna throw an elbow on you or something. Yes,
room, go stay? You know what, Dad being dad? You know
if I get kids to watch the Conjuring, you know, Dad, sure's
heck going to find a doll like that and bring it home. I think
I think he's the parents and a parent. If you're a parent, the
paranormal investigator, it's just this the thing to do. But we've met.
When I used to go and get ready for a paranor investigation, my son
was quite little and I used to see them going on a bear hunt,
but I changed it to I'm going on a ghost and I'm going to catch
a big one. And but for them, they knew what I did because
I was quite open about it. But then if they actually what they thought
a ghost was and what they thought I was doing with two different things.
Because they were quite comfortable with the things that I did. Obviously I didn't
overshare they just knew what mommy's hobby. But if I mean, my daughter
saw once and it really scared her, but the thought of me going didn't
bother. Get so what they thought a ghost was to what they actually thought
what I did was completely different. They separated it. But yeah, they
it seemed like a normal thing until it was something that it wasn't right understanding
it. My kids have already known in the paranormal. I mean even when
in Jena were little or younger, they knew I was in the paranormal field,
and they would ask some question, but like I said, I would
never talk about if there was anything in the house. And they were curious,
you know. And we went out camping one time, and I think
Aiden was nine, I think Jenna was seven. I think Devon was probably
twelve or thirteen. You have a dev Yes, I do. Yes,
that is so awesome. Okay, sorry and no, you're good. And
we wrapped the campground and I had my stuff with me, and they wanted
to see what it was like. So I sat down with him and I
let them do a small EVP session at the campground, and I think that's
what I intrigued them. And everybody's like Oh, well you should know,
you know. If to me, if a child is interested, then teach
them, you know, because Aiden, my son, Aiden, he's probably
one of the best investigators that I've had the chance to work with. I
mean, the kid is just really good, and you know, and I
think if if it sparks curiosity, teach him a little bit, don't.
You don't have to necessarily teach him about the paranormal. Teach them about the
scientific part behind it, you know, because that's the good thing to be.
You know, that's something to incorporate in school, you know, learning
about different you know, your em F fields and whatnot. You know,
So it's not just that, but the ability to learn discernment is a good
skill even outside of the paranormal field. So ask the right questions, yeah,
is actually a valuable skill anyway. So it's quite useful because, like
they say, if you look in to debunk things in the paranormal, you
can also ask those questions in real life, because I mean, that's what
they do theoretically, what they should do in science. But a lot of
things in science get taken for granted as well, and it doesn't get questioned.
And it's like, so the ability to actually not be programmed to accept
a fact without looking into it is actually quite valuable skill anyway. And like
you say, just because you've got kids doesn't mean you have to sort of
launch them straight into everything and demons and really boards and that. But like
you say, a little VP session in a safe control I'll say safe outcomping
really control the environment, and not at home where you could carge yourself issues
if you've already got the activity anyway, like to say, you don't want
to ramp that up. It's just like say it pizza curiosity, and then
it's up to them if they want to look further. Sometimes it's just enough
for them to go, oh, yeah, no, I know what that's
into, and you know, they go back to you know, what they
were doing before. You know, yeah, I know this is interesting.
And you know, as a parent, that gives me a hobby that I
can do with my kids and allows me to spend time with my kids,
you know, because growing up I was athletic, so I played a lot
of sports, you know, where none of my kids besides and in Jena
they played soccer for a while, but they don't play soccer now, so
there's not a whole lot of hobbies that I have that they have, you
know. So doing something like this and having them a part of it allows
me to not just investigate, but also allows me to spend time with my
kids and let's go out and enjoy something that's true actly because it was my
My granddad taught me water divining when I went to stay with them in Ireland,
and it was like, it's all like it's one of the things that
I actually remember because my mom was like, oh no, he wasn't into
that stuff, and I was like, yeah, sure, because he taught
me to use dousing rods and he'd got like Eric Const's Chariots and the Gods
in the bookshelf, and I was just like, I think there's some things
that he's not me telling you. But then, like you say, it's
it's a fun memory anyway because it's it's a shared thing. It's like,
oh, I looked to water divine when I went to see my grandparents and
it's like, you know, because I say, I was never athletic,
so that, yeah, I've noticed as well. In America they do a
lot of camps where they teach young people how to investigate. We haven't got
that in the UK, have we You were already feel like that, Natale.
No, what's like what like youth camps where they do Yeah in America.
Yeah, I've not heard of that. I think i'd I thought it
when I was younger. There that's the problem. I actually did that.
I held a class when I was with Ghosts. I thought it would be
cool to go to a place and let people come and teach them how to
investigate using different equipment. And it was actually a huge it was a great
thing. I mean I think I had the twenty to thirty people there and
we went out to an old We went to a place called the Mississina Mississinhowa
battlegrounds from the War of eighteen twelve, and they got to go out in
this big battlefield and learn how to investigate. And what's that place never fails
when it comes to evidence. I mean, if you have an EMF detector
K two meter or whatever, and you're in the middle of this battlefield,
you're out in the middle of nowhere and you're hearing sounds like the cannon's going
off, or your k to or ianth is going off, that's just it's
amazing. Because you know, that's stuff you just can't explain out in the
middle of an old battle ground. So wow, that does sound really cool.
Actually, rather than going to a spooky building, to actually do it
in o in space is a little bit less intense, not not intense,
that's the wrong word, because it's a battlefield. But you know, it's
like it's not an enclosed space. So to actually sort of be able to
investigate but feel like you're not closed in is actually a good idea thinking about
it really, And it's extremely it's extremely wide open, and like you said,
it's not in closed, so there's not a ton of people in one
location trying to Lauren, you know, because I mean, you can get
the experience, but you know, how do you know you're not going to
overwel there were spirits from all that energy to where they just don't want to
interact with anybody. That's true. Actually, I never thought of that because
you always sort of think about people getting overwhelmed by spirit activity, but you
never really think about like large groups of people in the spirits, like,
oh my god, it's like I've been a bunch of toddlers running around.
I would go and hide in that closet. If I was a ghost and
that happened to me, I'd be like, oh my god. Yeah,
I mean think about it. I mean when you look at places like Waverley
and Pennhearst and all that, you know they have thousands and thousands of people
that come through there every year. And if it's an intellectual spirit you know,
had you know, everybody wants the same kind of experience. But to
me, you're not going to get to some kind of experience because to me,
like you said, maybe that ghosts like again, no, I'm done
for them for the night. This ain't going to happen. I mean,
unless it's a residual energy that is gonna you know, it's looping itself over
and over and over. I don't think everybody, you know, not everybody's
going to have the same experience. So because we did what we have mentioned
this before, haven't we carry where we were? Like? Do the ghosts
get fed up with being asked the same questions over? Like you say,
if you've got a spirit there that's like a little bit more intelligent and like
it's like, you know, not a residual and they're just sort of like
really you're asking me that again, and like you say, with locations that
are investigated regularly, it's like, well, it's good like having toddlers,
isn't it. It's like watch, what's your age? Do you know you're
dead? And it's like no, I did again. You know, the
same questions over and over and over, and I'm sorry. If I was
a spirit, I'd be like, golly, you guys, just from that,
I'm going to have a shot of something. It's going to go right
through. But I don't care. I can't handle this. You can understand
why they start swearing because, like say, one of the first paranormal investigations
I went on, they were swearing through the spirit bus and I looked at
the go and I was like, did you just say what I thought I
said? And they sort of brushed it away, and I'm like, I'm
pretty certain that was just swear with oh yeah, swear. And I was
like, well, why wouldn't they you know, they're getting agitated leave me
alone. Yes, So maybe, like say, when you get some of
these sort of like spirits going off, I thought, you're sort of they
just having a bad day. They don't want to talk to you anymore.
This language isn't it? And I think as well with questions, I will
say I'm not I have run out after asking the obvious ones, like so
well next? So I think sometimes you get can you get the connection?
You're like, this is great? Are you getting like you know, intelligent
or you know, interaction going on where you're talking to something that you know
always someone that you know is giving you, you know, answers back.
But once you have that moment, you're like, you ask you your normal
questions. It's like, so you know what next? So with that in
mind, what are kind of some original questions that you asked that a little
bit different from what others or how you've other Yeah, other people have asked
you know, I like to ask it things like you know, I want
to know what their favorite color is, you know, what food they might
miss, maybe what their favorite kind of music is, you know, because
you got to keep it different, you know, you know, could you
really got to think outside the box because like you, like we were we
all said a lot of times it's the same questions over and over and over.
You know, yeah, Hey, what's your name? How did you
die? Howard? Are you? Are you male? Are you female?
So? Yeah, I definitely try to ask questions are outside the box,
you know, and that's how you manage to keep engagement as well, because
it's like, you know, when you're investigating, you tend to have well
when you're in a group. I've never done the private investigation other than what's
happened to me personally, but so I've only ever done group investigations, like
you know, as a person rather than a team. But it's like you
get burst of activity and they give you like I don't know, thirty seconds,
maybe a minute, and then they just disappear, and it's like sort
of like wondering because like at home and that I get spirits around for like
I mean I have my catboards going off for like ten minutes one night and
I was like to switch them off in the end because I was like,
really, stop playing with them. And it's like but like saying more interested
to them, so maybe they want to hang around a little bit more and
poor a bit more effort in whereas like you know, everywhere else, they
kind of descend and go, yeah, yeah, we'll just do the ghosting
press the things we're bored now and just disappear and you're just sort of like
everything gone. But you know it's like and yeah, so you're sitting at
home and you can have things whizzing around you for like hours, you know,
even if you don't interact with them, and it's like it is it
is. I find that a bit strange, the way it just cuts off.
You know. It's I mean, I know they can get sort of
the energy can get exhausted. So it's this case of like say, reading
the environment, but it is we need to write a little sort of like
alternative ghosts something, questions, no playbook thing, so if we get bored,
we can just flick through and go, ah, yes, did you
ever play the tambourine when you were alive? Absolutely Martins or crooks? You
know that cracks America? Teal coffee? Do you do you prefer coffee or
tea? Yeah? With we never you with the enemy? Did you dump
it in the sea? That's what I want to know the dad. You
know, just when it comes to questions, you just you really got to
be outside the box. I mean, and like right now, coming being
in America, you know, it's a little easier for me to ask questions.
But if I was to come over there and it'd be different. I
don't even know. If I would ask questions, it'd be like me going
to Ireland or Germany or any places like that, because well, I'm just
gonna say it. Okay, I'm American, I speak American English. If
I go to Germany and I'm investigating at World War two place, guess what,
I don't know how to speak German. So what makes me think that
I'm going to get a reply if I ask it an English question? Not
all Germans spoke English. I'm sorry, And I think that's one of the
things that agitates me about the paranormal fiel, you know, because people go,
oh, I go for the history, and that's amazing, But you
have to think about the history. You know, I don't speak German.
If I was go to France to Normandy, now American soldiers died there,
that would be awesome. The German soldiers were there too, So I don't
think, like I said, I can't speak German. So how if I
don't speak German do I expect to get a reply back? This made you
wonder, actually, you know, sometimes when you use an equipment and you
just get a period of gibberish, it may not be Gibberish. It may
just be a different language and can't translate it. It's like because it's not.
It would be interesting actually with those some of the app things, like,
you know, if they had different languages programmed into them all at the
same time, to see whether that would actually that's an interesting thought. It's
an interesting concept because I've always thought about that, you know, because I
have you know, friends overseas all over the place, Ireland, the Netherlands,
England, you know, and I think that's always been one of the
biggest things I've talked about, especially with my buddy Shane over Netherlands and even
Mary, you know, because you know, speaking Dutch and stuff for an
investigation over there, you know, that's their native language, that's what they
speak. So for me to go over there, I mean I could ask
questions, but in a sense in my mind that spirits not going to understand
me. It's part of going to say made reply, you know, but
it's going to be apply with something to me. It's going to be like
I don't understand you stupid, you know, I don't I don't know what
you're saying, you know. So I sometimes think when you go when you
see some of the ghost programs and they go to the foreign countries and they
get English answers. It does make me wonder like because you've got different kinds
of spirits, and you've got spirits in the place, but then you've got
like your own like ancestor spirits that hang around you and other ones that are
a little bit more dimensional hopping because they're a little bit more savvy. And
it's like whether the English answers are just foreign spirits on holidayday, like you
know, let's have a bit of fun year, and that is that is
that is a good possibility because like I said, you know, when I
look at places, some of the places that I would love to like,
I am a huge World War two person. That's why I brought up Normandy
in Germany. I'm sitting on a seat cushion and it just it keeps sliding.
I like seat cushions, and so so all these places I would love
to go investigate. Just you know, to me that that would just make
sense, you know, because I you know, I would love to go
to Normandy into France, you know, but I would want to be able
to ask questions in French better than English. Go to Germany. I'd rather
ask questions in German than English because I want to know. I don't want
to know the English part of it. I want to know that side Germany
and why that soldier did what he did, you know, and what not.
So it'd be interesting if we sort of, like say, learned a
few stop questions, even if we don't understand the answers. And it's like
to see whether as a as a foreign person in a different country and you
asked them in their own language, whether they would reply to you or whether
they would just sperit in their language because we're not speaking to you, will
be an interesting experiment to do, actually, you know. And I think
I just may go to Boston and dump some tea in the sea, because
I do believe some American and English soldiers died, so that would be extremely
interesting. Do you like that tea? Not anymore? It's like it's fighting
thought. This is you know what. I don't mean to be controversial,
but I do not like tea or coffee. I cannot understand why anyone would
want to either of those. It's multi lava. Why did you drink?
No? I understand the concept, but I don't agree with it, but
you know the concept of tea and coffee. I understand the concept of it,
but I do not agree with it. Bit controversial English person not drinking
tea bas a no from me? You do hot chocolate then? Or is
it? Is it cold drinks only? Yes? Are you a cold drink
person? Absolutely? Absolutely? What would be your cold drink equivalent to your
coffee? Marx? That's just as much caffeef not You are basically drinking cold
coffee but without the coffee. All right, Yes, I am yes,
okay, Yes, you've got the concept down of the caffeine and you've got
the concept there al just not there. Yeah. You know people will ask
me, uh, did you drink caffeine? Yes? What kind? Yes?
Please tick the boxes. All of them were saying. We were saying,
he's got that much caffeine in and that if he does pass on,
he'll just carry on walking for three days until the if he's a live or
dead because he's not capidated caffeine, he'll run out, he'll run out in
a little bit. Just let him go. You won't be putting soil on
your coffee coffee grounds, like just burying him in a big pile of beans.
Yeah, you know that's a good idea when when when it's my time,
people better bring me coffee and put it in my castle. I want
to be buried with coffee. There is company in the UK called it's called
Dead Happy something like that, and it's an insurance company and you pay for
your funeral insurance for it. But some of the requests that you can put
that you want to how you want to buried. One friend said that they
were gonna get like a bronze statue of themselves, like the things you could
do with this company. So I reckon there might be a Dead Happy equivalent
in America that were quite happily. Just bury you in a massive coffee bean,
right, coffee bean shaped coffee. That would be really amazing. You
realize how bad it would be if somebody want to drink something like that.
This dude's dead, he's dead, but I'm going to get a rush off
of him because I'm gonna get some caffeine and me, so we're gonna be
good for the day. Yes, I have that is it. This Civic
Coffee is its coffee beans Summit. And then they come out frend and then
they grind the coffee up after it's gone through this animal, it wouldn't be
I can't remember what the coffee is called. I think it's this is called
I think it's called a cooler cooler, cooler cook like that. Yeah,
So I mean if we sort of like, you know, round through a
bit and exsumed you fifty years on, it might be a fine roast.
It's an idea anyway, coffee. It's like, do you want this stuff
for the hard stuff? It's like, this is definitely a dark roast.
I'm just saying, you know, he has it's a cat, and this
cat eats these beans and it deprecates and they get these beans and out of
the poop and you grind it up and yeah, and I actually want to
try it. It's expensive, but they say it's a really good coffee.
There's no aftertaste. So I mean, hey, you only live once,
man, you know, I'm going to try me some I was in the
army for eight years. Trust me, I tried bad coffee. This can't
be any worse. So while she was in the army, did you experience
anything paranormal or did you have any experiences while she was serving? I did
not, you know, but I think being in the military, you just
you just kind of blocked off from everything, if that makes sense, Yeah,
because the training and everything that you go through is just takes so much
of your time. I used to work out a prison as a correctional officer,
and it's weird because i was sitting there one night and I'd heard stuff
about the housing unit I was in. A guy when they were building the
housing unit that I worked in, a guy had a a massive heart attack
and died instantly where the shower room was, and so every now and again
you'd be sitting there and when the showers were turned on, but no inmates
would be in there. So it was doing it one night and I'm just
kind of walking over there and I'm just I'm like, ooh, somebody's here,
you know, you know, because I'm smarter look like that, and
you know, I'm trying to bunk in whatever, and I said, go
back. I set down up my podium and I'm trying not to doze off,
you know, and I have a normal hat on. So I'm just
kind of sitting there and all of a sudden, I feel something. It
felt like a spiderweb like that, and I'm like, I'm like, what
the heck, you know, and there was no spiderweb, and I'm like
okay, so I'm like, oh whatever, and I'm just kind of just
sitting there. My eyes are closing again. That's again. I'm like,
so to me being a smarter like that, if that guy was there,
he was just letting me know, hey, dummy, I am here.
Because that's the only thing I can explain, because you know, that would
have to be a long spider word. Because the cylands are like twenty feet
high, So that's a dedicated right when people developed in their mediumship. So
people developed their mediumship, they sit in circle. When they first sit in
circle and they start developing, the first thing they say is that where they
feel the energy, it feels like cob webs in your face. Yes,
so it's the interaction of the energy and feeling an energy that you're not really
used to. So that that man was yeah, I mean he could have
done worse. Oh yeah, a lot less for sure. This day.
I'm not going to mention the showers. How you doing, buddy, I'm
going to show you. I'm real. Ye, We're not going to go
there. There is quite a lot of prisons over in the states that you
cannot un state the obvious. Sorry Captain obvious over here. But there's lots
of prisons that you can investigate. A lot of people have some weirdings.
I mean, I have never investigated prison. I don't think I want to.
There's two places types of places I wouldn't go. The energy there is
so intense. So with all that energy from the inmates as well as the
energy, and that must have been quite an impacting place to work spiritually,
I think, do you think so? Oh? It is my whole demeanor
changed. We are a product. We are a product of Byron environment.
I honestly you feel that when it comes to energy and everything, and I've
become a product of that place. I became angry and hateful because in an
environment like that, that's all there is, you know, And regardless of
what people say, I mean, racism is alive and well in the prison
system on all sides. It's not just this race or that race being racist,
all the races and so, you know, and that makes it hard.
And when you're a correction officer like I was, you are the enemy
regardless. So that makes it stressful because you're always continuously watching your back you
have to because it only takes one bad person or one person to have a
bad day and they can take it out on you. For me, though,
I'm just a respectful guy anyways. So for me when I went to
work, that was my biggest thing. I was still respectful. I didn't
go with this godlike attitude. Hey, you're you're an inmate and I'm a
CEO, and you're going to listen to what I say. No, because
guess what, I'm a visitor in their house. I just come in there
and work. A lot of these guys they lived there twenty four hours a
day, seven days a week, during six five days a year for however
long they're there. So that's their house. So you go in there and
you're rude in their house. That's that's going to be trouble. That makes
a lot of sense, actually, Yeah, because you don't think about that,
that the prisoners actually live there in it. Yeah. Think do you
think that coach is when we look at the paranormal when we go investigating these
locations that do you think that's the same type of approach that paranormal researchers to
have when they go and do their investigations. Oh, absolutely. When when
you go into a place, you know, it's all about respectability, you
know, being respectful and stuff. I mean, it took me a while
to learn that because when I first started out, I provoked, and I
provoked in a bad way, you know, not demonic or anything, you
know, but you don't think about that. But now that I'm older,
uh you know, I well, I provoked, but not in a hateful
way. More of can you touch me? Can you scratch me? I
don't think you can. But yeah, when going in a place I think
there was that is a bigger thing because I think if you go in like
that, there's more of a change you'll get activity than if you go in
there and start being negative, Because if you start being negative, you may
get something you don't want to deal with. You know, there could be
something extremely dark there and you may end up having to deal with that than
something a little bit more friendly. I think it gives you less chance if
you're respectful of things following your home as well, if you're not being a
total idiot when you're there, it's like they're less likely to sort of want
to follow up, you know, and if you're respectful, they're perhaps a
bit more likely to leave you be, yeah, rather than taking something dark
on. And and I don't mean the demonic, Okay, I'm old school
for me. The way I see it, in my opinion, your chances
are meeting something demonic Nike Zach Begans, who has met every demon in the
world, I'm assuming I've never come across anything like that, and I'm thankful
to me. I think your chances are coming against something demonic is extremely rare.
I think there's less than in one sense, but I think there's you
know, whether it's a polar guys or something malettle in it that is angry.
Oh, absolutely that can happen. Yeah, I agree. You have
good people and bad people in life. There's no reason why they wouldn't be
that way when they pass over. So that's the way I see it as
well. Yeah. And also I think as well, in terms of engagement,
you get a different level. So it depends what you want you put
in. So if you're looking for someone that's gonna if you're looking for an
experience where it's going to be a bit aggressive, are you're going to come
with aggression. And sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish for because when
you get it, you get it and then and then it stays with you
for a while. That energy just sticks to you like glue. So I
think comany energy were just like wanting to know, and it's just evidence of
life after life. That's what I'm asking for, you know. So,
yeah, you get a different level of communication, which at the same time
is easier to measure, is easier to test because the quality and the duration,
whereas you get that short burst of anger and then that's it. I've
only been in one situation where we've had a really really it went bad very
quickly, and we was investigating with a gentleman in who was in the UK,
and we had a gentleman that was in America that joined us through scrap
and he was set up where he was standing next to another guy. The
guy was just standing next to the Something rushed the room and both of them
at the same time grabbed the back of their neck. Bear in mind,
this other guy was in Arkansas in Little Rock and had not couldn't see the
other guy, so they couldn't see each other, but both of them grabbed
themselves by the back of the neck and it was like get off and yeah,
it's we ended up someone ended up getting really really hurt and we didn't
even provoke. It wasn't even it was more of a challenge, which there
was a member challenging it like, and that's kind of how it went really
bad, really quickly. And that was the only time I think I've ever
been in a situation where it's happened, and I would never want to be
in that situation again. It really shook us up. So he's be careful
you wish for as well in the problem as well, it's like you never
quite know what you're dealing with. So it's like, you know, you
get a lot of entities and masquerade as spirits, so you think you're dealing
with the spirit and then like you say, if you if you are vulnerable
or the wrong situation or like say you've just got the right environmental factor is
happening and then suddenly it just turns on you and you're like, I wasn't
expecting that, because that happened to me a few times with the healing,
where I've thought I was dealing with one thing and it's been something completely opposite,
and I'm like, oh, where did that come from? You know,
it's all I was not expecting that one. So yeah, I mean,
you know, there's no that's the problem with the paranormal field, isn't
it, Because it's like the things you can't take things that face value.
It's like, you know, like say with the kids, it's like some
of the creepiest things, isn't it is the kids? And then you find
out it's not a kid and it's an entity, you know, or you
think it's an entity, but it's actually a kid, I mean naughty,
you know. So it's like, you know, it's a whole other level
of discernment beyond even is there something there? You're like, is there something
there? But is it actually what it says it is? You know,
And it's it's a lot harder to say. You don't often find outtil you
start poking, or if you've got a certain spiritual energy because I've said before,
I don't always get the nice ones because my energy is a little bit
sort of more spiritual. So it's sometimes it's like I'll be like oh yeah,
la, and then bam, it's like, well, you know,
it's like, you know, you're seen as being aggressive when you're not being
aggressive just because your energy is like, what's the word contrary to their so
they don't like it and they go on the offensive. So yeah, no,
it's it's sort so I'm always really cautious anyway, And it's like,
but it is interesting the way these things can suddenly shift and you just sort
of like or it's like you flip from one vibrational field to another. So
you're dealing with ghosts and suddenly the vibration shifts and you're no longer on ghost
land. You're on something else land, you know, or history land,
or it can shift and you don't always get forewarning of it either. I
suppose that's what makes the investigations so fascinating, isn't it, Because it's constantly
changing from one second to the next, and you think you're dealing with one
thing and you suddenly find yourself in a whole different world that you know,
and then another one after that straight away. But well that's my experience anyway
so far. No, And that makes perfect sense. And I think one
of the things is with these the younger generation coming up is they don't understand
that m and I'll keep saying it. With all these shows out there,
they glamorize the paranormal. All this is cool and that's cool. And yah,
you know they don't understand. Okay, this hobby can be boring as
hell. Okay, yeah, I'm going to happen, going to happen.
And there's times that don't happen, but there's times that does. And they
I think, like you said, they think it's one thing when it's actually
something else, and they're not prepared for that. And like I said,
I feel that a lot of these shows glamorize everything because now you got all
these teams coming out with younger kids, and they're not in it for the
paranormal. They're in it for the fame. Everybody heaps. Too many people
in this field won fame, and it's not about that. You know,
you're supposed to be out here helping people, but now it's glamor. You
know, they want the glamor of it all. See. It's a bit
concerning with that as well, is because when you it's the one book bear
I have with the pure paranormal investigation field is that they're they're ignore the spiritual
aspects of it. And it's like some of these things, like you say,
if you're going in with the wrong energy or the wrong wheness that there
are other things out there and they are bigger than you. It's like you
go in there with hubris and it's like ego, and it's like and you
are at some point going to get or you're going to annoy annoy the spirits
of the place, so that the people that come afterwards, you know,
are going to have something else happened that they weren't prepared for. And it's
like that because I do feel sometimes that they downplay the side effects of things
like this on a spiritual and a mental and emotional level. It's like,
oh, yeah, it's cool, we'll go go something, we'll get famous.
But it's like you can also have nightmares and things following you around,
paranoia, you know, and all the other things have bad luck and all
these other things that can happen to you, and you know, if you're
not prepared to deal with that, Like say, it's similar to working in
the prison. The environment affects you, and it's like you can have character
changes and things with paranormal investigators after all while their character changes and it's like,
so, yeah, it does bother me sometimes, and like you say,
it's it's all about the fame and the kids don't have the same fears
the wrong word to use, but perhaps respect but weariness perhaps is a little
bit better. They will they're all brought up to believe that, you know,
it's it's not what it seems, and it's not because I mean,
if you look at our folklore, I mean, our folklore is really dark,
and it's always warning us of the dangers of the unconscious and out in
the woods and the thing. I mean, I've wondered the woods on my
own before now, and I've seen things in the woods, and I'm thinking,
should I be out here because I'm not the only I'm the only human
here and these things are not human, you know, and you know,
but I don't know. It's just something that growing up my generation, we
don't talk about that kind of stuff. Mm hmm. You know, I
was born in so many grew up in the eighties and nineties or what not.
We didn't talk about that. I mean, something what happened You tell
your parents and they'd be like apps and that. And now, like I
said, you know, kids growing up, they're almost everywhere everywhere, and
it's just it's crazy, Like I mean, it's cool to see that's more
accepted now and people can talk about it. But like you said, in
this field now, I think people jump into it without really knowing about it,
and and I think that's from the biggest problems because it's who accessible for
them in a way, you know, because like you say, you did
how many months of training and sort of like it sort of filtered you into
it, and it's it's sort of like even with me, it's sort of
like being sort of like slow and over the years, and it's like,
but whereas now, I mean, all they need to do is watch so
many ghost programs on YouTube, get their mobile phanes, and they're off out
into the dark places. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's a
catch twenty two. I think because it's nice that it's accessible, but at
the same time, I'd rather there were a few more caveats. But I
don't know, honest, that's just my own experiences with it. It's I
wouldn't have liked to fill it when I was a teenager. I think it
would have messed my head up. So that's just I agree. And I
think we spend a lot of time alive but working with death, and I
think sometimes normal normalized. Is it a lot more than what we it should
be. So there was a long period of time where I was more focused
on death and being dead, not me physically, but then it takes me
my life because I was up investigating and then I'm sleeping during the day,
so it was effecting me. But then at the same time you think,
so, you know, got, I don't want to be that person.
Also apologize, But mental health is something that's we're in crisis at the moment,
and people working with the wrong equipment. It's not even talking, not
even working with the energies, but working with equipment. It becomes addictive and
except then everything rolls around it. There was one person that I knew in
particular that GOT that enjoyed. I don't know if you remember, but the
was it Danny Big Beard and the Echo Box. There was two camps.
I remember there had been a rival going on. There was two camps and
they brought out these apps and there was one person in particular that I knew
that really kind of was in one of the camps and used this particular piece
of equipment, and yeah, I don't know. I think sometimes these things
affect people in a way that maybe they don't realize or and I'm talking in
general much just about this person. In general, if you become invested in
this particular piece of equipment, I think it can take over a little bit.
And I think we've got young people that have got pieces of equipment that
they invest into. Probames a big part of them. It's addictive. You
want to get more, you want to do more, so you push your
boundaries more and you got find places that really shouldn't be in more. And
yeah, I think it becomes a big part of their life. So I
think we have that danger of people have it been influenced by the technology that
we use that already might be in a vulnerable position because of their mental state.
And I'm not saying this person had any kind of those conditions. It
was just an example, But I think mental health does play a part as
well of young people. In young people, and they're that natural drawn to
the darker side of things. Yeah, I had a point. I don't
know if I'm made that point, And I think a lot some of the
phone apps contribute to that because they're easily accessible and easily downloaded, and some
of them, if you read it says for entertainment purposes only. But too
many people they don't take it as entertainment. They take it as factful.
And I Ghost Radar to me is one of them. It says for entertainment
purposes only. But I've had people get a hold of me using this thing.
And you know, it's got three lights here and oh my god,
they're right here. They're sitting next to me, and this and that,
and you can go in with all your equipment go like, listen, dude,
I don't know what you're looking at, but there's nothing. I'm not
getting anything, and they'll argue with you over that. Oh I know this
gohoest raight r. It's it's showing me and it's telling me this and that,
and I like and I like, I said to me, that is
probably just the huge, hugest thing, like yeah, for god that's been
in this field, you know, seventeen years. I mean, I've seen
it evolve in what it's become to. And I like pieces of equipment just
like the next person. And I'm always looking to get my next personal experience.
But you gotta separate yourself from just to entertainment fun side of it that
some apps provide and to you know, apps that you really think is going
to help you out. So I think the important thing as well as like
being able to switch from investigating mode back into normal mode. It's like,
you know, because like you say, it's sort of dealing with ghosts and
things is a bit of a high anyway, and then you can get a
spiritual rush from sort of raising your consciousness to access that level, but you
also need to be aware of it that you can switch it back down again.
And it's like, I think a lot of people sort of like forget
that they need to be able to switch into that mode and switch out of
or at least, you know, unless you're like a medium and be able
to turn it down, you know. And I sometimes you know, it's
like like you say, when you investigate too much or you've done too many
EVPs over too many days, your brain goes a little bit screwy and you
just sort of like, I really need to stop this for a bit and
actually just you know, go outside and do physical things or go down the
gym, and it's like actually get back in my body and sort of like
you know, and reset. Otherwise you do lose your ability to be grounded
in real life, and then it starts becoming really confusing as to what is
real and what isn't, because it's harder to prove what's real and what isn't
when you're dealing, like you say, and you've got the death aspect of
it, and like say, the addiction and the tech, and they're using
the addictive psychology that they've developed in the casinos and things to sort of keep
you going with it, and but you're also you know, it's it is
a form of like drug in a weird kind of way anyway, because of
the bio biological things that happen. I mean, we have the ancient these
system and we as human beings, we crave that, we crave fear,
We prime it all the time. So you have things like the haunted houses
in I think it's in Holland, but only forty percent of them complete it,
and it's sold out for a period of time. It's sold out,
and they report like people urinating on themselves, throwing up, but they still
do it and they still go back because what they're looking for is that adrenaline
that you get, and essentially that's what we get from investigating is a rush.
Is the US prime and our fear system. So it is a bit
of a drug actually, and it can overtake if you don't take control.
And I think every I think all paranormal researchers in their time have had a
period in their life where it was just about going out looking for ghosts and
catching evidence. I think everyone's had that, and then we've had to regulate
ourselves, and I think that's when it kind of pull away, and then
you always get pulled back. So yeah, it is interesting. But I
will say we've kept you over time, Scott. We've kept you over so
that I've enjoyed the conversation. So I know we've covered it at the beginning.
But where can we find you? When can we find you? What
are you involved with? What have you got coming up? So you can
find me on Facebook and h YouTube and TikTok under the Paranormal Jackass Podcast year
I'm looking at my dog. I don't know what you want, but you
ain't getting done. Of course, you can email me at PJ Podcast twenty
three at gmail dot com. Flatline Paranormal as well is on on Facebook as
well. Right now until the end of the year, I am absolutely free.
I will be bringing up my podcast season two for the Paranormal Jackass next
month. I don't have a set date, but I'm working on it.
At it's just for the last year and a half, I've worked two jobs
and so I've had very little time to do anything, and as a January
fifth, I would be back down at working one job. So finally I
got that. Yes, so I am excited about that and my kids,
so Dad, it's time to go to some other places to investigate. My
daughter wants to go to the Conjuring House, which they are taking openings,
so we'll see about that. I know they weren't. They want to go
back to down at Waverley Hills, so I'm going to make hopefully make that
happen. And I believe in September I will be returning two Pinhursts for a
second time and Gettysburg. So I'm excited about that. That does sound exciting.
We'll make sure you share all of your new beginnings with us and we
make sure we listen share it with our listeners. It's been absolutely amazing to
have you nellieve your Gunny last questions before we find let's Scott Free. No,
I think we've I think we've shocked everyone and covered the fair range of
topics for tonight. Thank you, thank you ladies so much much. I
have to this is probably one of the better shows where we've just sat down
and come just have a great conversation and just talk about things. And you
know, thank you ladies so much. You come back again at some point
as well. Absolutely what she's in for at least, And with that being
said, when season two starts up, I gotta have you ladies on on
my show and so you the other side of what it's like to be around
me. Absolutely, I'll be there with Bells on. Yeah, thank you,
thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for everyone that's
listened, and we look forward to having Scott back and we most definitely look
forward to joining him on his show. Everything you need to everywhere you'll be
able to find Scott. We'll make sure we link onto this show as well,
and we'll say goodbye, thank you, thank you,