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Well off a weekend that has seen
a surprising knockout in the Golden Boy main

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event in California that has seen Jack
Catterall take care of business. But I

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don't know how much we can really
say about that other than that in the

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match Room main event in England,
we are here for that. A seven

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time world champion is also here with
Dan Rayfield in a conversation and a lot

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more. It is the Fight Freaks
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a chipper mood because his New York Football

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Giants somehow got a win despite lack
of offense against the Commanders. Meanwhile,

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my Tampa Bay Buccaneers can't find the
end zone with Google Maps and a light

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right now they've lost. I'm not
that surly. I'm just a little surly

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right now after this. First of
all, how are you as we're ready

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to get into the boxing mode recaps
some fights. It's only the Giants can

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find the end zone, you know, they only scored fourteen points and they

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stink on offense. And as we
New York Giants fans will say often,

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no matter how bad we are,
we're still better than Washington and we've proved

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out again today. Way, don't
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who this seven time champion I'm gonna
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The champ is here later on here
in the weekend. She's getting ready

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to fight in a very interesting fight
that is going to be twelve minute twelve

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three minute rounds, which is unusual
for women's boxing, which you've touched on,

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and you're going to ask her about
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With that, let's get into the
recap mode. First, I gotta

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say flat out, you and I
and I think almost everybody else believed that

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Alexis Roche was going to roll in
this fight, rising contender for a Golden

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Boy Promotions, and then a funny
thing happened on the way to a title

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shot by the name of Giovanni Santayan. Santion was fantastic from the beginning of

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this fight. I will use the
word shocked. I was shocked at how

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one sided that was. I won't
speak for you your thoughts as Santi gets

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the KO win, the upset KO
win, Well, I can't say that

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I'm shocked that Santion won the fight. That would be unfair. He is

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a thirty one and oh guy going
into the fight with good abilities, and

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you know, we've seen him fight
for the last few years, you know,

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since he's been with top rank on
all of their ESPN plus undercar So

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if you're paying attention to their shows, he's been you know, active with

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his you know, a couple of
fights per year. But he so the

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fact that he was the winner of
the fight, you know, is not

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a shock because as good as Alexis
roach is, he's not a guy that

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we think of as a talent for
pound guy. He's not necessarily at that

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same elite level of the welter weights
that we've seen some of the greats over

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the over the last number of years. However, what was shocking, and

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it definitely was shocking, was that
he lost in such a one sided ass

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kicking, a demolition, a beatdown, however you want to phrase it out

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from the first round, from the
jump, from the first round when he

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got his nose bloodied, I'm sure
that had an impact on him. I

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thought his nose was broken. I
asked the Golden Boy folks about that after

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the fight. The spokesperson said,
no, it's not a broken nose,

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So that's good. I mean,
obviously don't want to see the guy with

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a bust and nose. But he
bled from round one. And the thing

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that was so surprising again the beatdown
first and foremost. As I say all

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the time, it was a great
fight to watch, hell of a fight,

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very entertaining, but entertaining in a
one sided way because I never felt

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like Rocha was in the fight to
win, but it was sort of like

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the empty The drama value of it
was can Santiine get him out of there

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and and to roach his credit showing
the kind of heart that he did to

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deal with the the what I thought
was a broken nose, but certainly an

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injured nose and blood all over the
place, all over his face, his

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chest, whatever, combined with just
the heart because he got up twice from

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knockdowns in a round five and then
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fight ended. But you know,
he showed a lot of heart. I

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mean, can't can't take anything away
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a gamble. I mean, we
talked about it in the preview. He

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took on a reputable quality guy,
even though he's sitting there already as the

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mandatory challenger in the WBO for the
Crawford title. You know, Crawford has

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all the titles, but he stepped
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and Spence over the summer to be
for all four belts. If he really

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wanted to have press the issue,
there's a chance he could have gotten either

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Crawford tripped to the title or some
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trouble. But he didn't, and
he went and he risked that position and

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Uh. You know, I give
him credit for doing that. I wish

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more fighters would. I applaud it
exactly. I applauded he took a risk.

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So I'll say this, whatever,
whenever Alexis rochaw Is is killed up

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and fresh and ready to go,
by all means welcoming back, pay him.

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You know, I hope he doesn't
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but bring him back. He was
extremely entertaining. He brought a crowd.

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I can't believe that those fans would
abandoned him just because he lost in

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one of the one of the more
sociding fights we've seen in the last bit

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and uh, and and and come
back and and start again. But Santion,

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it gets a career victory. And
the reason why it was so surprising

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TJ was not again not because he
won, but in the method that he

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did so, because anybody that had
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his last number of fights, maybe
even this whole career. He's a guy

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that came up. We've talked about
the uh, the uh, the shuddering

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of the Thompson Boxing Company. He
was a guy that came up with Thompson

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Boxing fighting on the on the ballroom
shows on the Southern California club circuit,

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not making a lot of money,
and you know, he events and developed,

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and eventually when he got the opportunity, Top Rank signed him and started

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going on bigger shows, and finally
they saw an opportunity here to put him

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on this show. Because Golden Boy
reached out, they put up a decent

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amount of money and it was a
great opportunity to fight a guy that was

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ranked number one of the WBO.
Because Top Rank doesn't make a habit of

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shipping their guys out, but they're
opportunistic when they see it when it makes

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sense, and this was one of
those opportunities that was kind of hard to

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pass up. And you know,
I talked to Brad Goodman, who was

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the Hall of Fame matchmaker and one
of my close friends for almost thirty years,

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who was the representative for Top Rank
at the fight on Saturday night,

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and you know, he I can't
say he was shocked at his guy won

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the fight, but he was surprised
in the way he won it also because

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he and if you read the story
that I wrote, he admitted when he

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lost, not when he lost,
but when when Santiong's last fight took place

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in Jel. He thought a fighter
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journeyman, tight fighter, but a
solid pro, and he gave him a

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lot of trouble. Now, Santion
won the unanimous decision, but it was

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not his best performance, and even
Santio, I'm sure would admit that some

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might think that Bonet might have even
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he had him hurt a couple of
times, and just Santion looked bad.

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And as Brad said, that was
the kind of fight that kind of lit

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a fire under him, because he
did get to win, even though he

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got hurt, and it was a
struggle to get there. But he felt

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like that was the kind of fight
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you know what, he really got
the hunger and the fire lit under him,

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and that helped him in this fight, and that you know, it

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made him better and that he's going
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because frankly, when he's won his
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Giovanni Santition is not exactly mister excitement. I mean, I have one thing

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that I'm curious about because I just
noticed this. You've been doing this a

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lot longer, but I've noticed this
at times. It just looked to me

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Santion looked a good ten pounds heavier
than He looked like a middleweight. If

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Roacha was a welterweight, if Roache
was a junior middleweight, he looked like

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a super middleweight. He looked a
good ten twelve pounds bigger, thicker,

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harder punching. What do you make
of my observation, because I think that

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was I think that was part of
I think it was born out and how

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powerful his punches were against Roachin.
Yeah, I mean I don't I didn't

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really notice it the way you noticed
it. He looked a little bigger,

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maybe, but I didn't see anything
that was like made me think, oh

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my goodness, there's a huge size
disparity here. I mean, they both

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obviously made the weight on Friday prior
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Maybe maybe Santine was like a little
bit taller to him. I frankly didn't

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notice that, And I think if
you look at their records and their background,

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it was pretty clear that roach has
been the better puncher. Yes,

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he's facing better opponents, and it's
been knocking out better opponents, so again

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for Santion to do what he did. Look going into the fight, I

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thought, if Santition is going to
have a chance to win, it's probably

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gonna have to be a little bit
more on the boring side, not that

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we'll be like a fight, but
that it wouldn't be like a total slugfest.

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So to see him go in the
ring and do what he did,

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which has just stalk this man from
the opening bell and throw a ton of

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punches, he outpunched him. You
know, he threw more punches, He

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landed more punches. He outlanded Roacha
in every single round of the fight per

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copy Box. I think there was
one round where they were even. But

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other than that, Roacha was,
you know, landed less punches in every

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round than sant Down it was.
I mean, I had some people say

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it's fight of the year, fight
of the year. Now I ain't fight

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of the year. Okay, let's
not get carried away. That said,

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it was a really outstanding fight.
If you tell me that at the end

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of the year, somebody might have
it on their honorable mention list or you

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know, in their top ten fights. You know, fair enough, absolutely,

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but it won't be the fight of
the year. It's a little too

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one sided for that in my opinion. But it was a great win for

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santi and who gets a career of
victory for Roacha. It's a very debilitating

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loss. You never like to say
a loss like ruins a guy, so

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I don't think that's the case.
But what it does do, it's a

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pretty brutal ko to have to come
back from in the short term. There's

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talking about that. I'm even talking
about the physical aspect. I'm talking about

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the fact that he was number one
challenger for the WBO, guaranteed a title

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shot beat against Terrence Crawford or for
the vacant title or whatever, and now

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that's not happening because he lost the
fight. So you know, that's that's

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the downside when you when you take
the gamble and you step up and fight

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a real guy and you're number one
already. The sometimes the negative part of

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that is if you lose, there
goes your position. But it's prize fighting

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and these guys put this on the
line every time they get it. You're

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not saying this, but the argument
can also be made, are you truly

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the number one guy? If you
get brutalized like that by a guy that's

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maybe not even a top five guy
coming in to that fight. So I

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think there's an argument to be made
there. I think you and I agree

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we want more fights like this.
I mean, I'm not saying he was

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legitimately the number one contender by the
public and the media, and I'm saying

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that based on the way that you
rise the rankings and sanction bodies by fixing

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yourself to that organization, by winning
your fights, by fighting for their regional

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titles and things along those lines that
advance in the rankings. He had done

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what he needed to do within the
wo to become the mandatory challenger, and

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whatever you think of his merit as
the mandatory challenger, he risked that position

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and he came up Snake Eyes and
he got knocked out, and he's no

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longer gonna be guaranteed a world championship
fight. Good enough anything else from that

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card before we move on to the
less than thrilling performance by Jack Catterall,

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who got it done? Anything else
from the Golden Boy design, I think

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we gotta, yeah, we gotta
give up all. We gotta give some

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shout out to UH to John Scrappy
Ramirez, the uh highly entertaining kinda.

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Uh he's got a lot of swagger
and he's a fun fighter to watch.

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And that's like I said, John
Scrappy Ramirez. He was in the in

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the co feature on this on this
fight card, he took on a fighter

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name ronal Batista, who might be
familiar to some people because, uh,

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he had been a flyweight. In
his previous fight, he had gotten knocked

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out by Julio Cesar Martinez on the
undercard when Canelo Alvarez fought John Ryder earlier

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this year. He went up and
wait and this was a WBA Junior bantaway

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elimination fight to become the mandatory for
the outstanding Japanese champion Kazuto Ioka. So

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Scrappery Ramirez got the job done and
he did it in style. He comes

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in with a lot of squagger.
I mean, he had his own his

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own singers. You know a lot
of guys they come in the ring,

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they've got their rappers with them.
He didn't have rappers with him. He

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had guys who was absolutely hilarious.
They were singing Michael Jackson's beat. It

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it was the funniest thing I've seen
in a ringwalk in a long time.

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So he went in there, he
scored a couple of knockdowns, he stopped

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him in the fourth round. It
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Ramirez. He's got a very hut
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of smiles, a lot of like
just an exciting kind of personality and a

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style in the ring. So you
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him. He's still now, he's
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and you know, good for him. And the thing that's interesting about the

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fight though, TJ is originally Scrappy
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two weeks ago on the undercard when
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did not get his visa. He's
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in time. It took a little
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so they delayed the knocked the fight
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the card on Saturday, which allowed
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that other undercart, it brought him
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so he had a nice cheering section
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biggest fight of his career and to
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of his own fans there at the
Forum, you know, it was a

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pretty big moment for him because one
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going to get the title shot in
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that's going to mean getting on the
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shot. So h this was his
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it was, you know, pretty
it was pretty impressive. He was winning

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on every he won every round on
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was up on the other two cards
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Batista came to fight, but uh, he just could not deal with that

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thunder that Scrappy has. And plus
he got to love the nickname Scrappy I

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do were you ever partial to Scooby
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of that back of the cartoons,
all right, it's not about that,

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all right. So on now to
earlier in the day, US time primetime

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in the UK in Liverpool, where
Jack Catterall did what we all expected,

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which is win the fight with Jorge
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of everything that was going on.
I have seen the highlights. I've seen

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the recap. So Caterall gets the
win. I'll tell you this, this

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is fascinating. Can I just say
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couldn't have taken more than ten sevents. Okay, Now here's to your point

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and to the joke. Usually when
Dezone for match Room or Golden Boy has

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a highlight reel, it's usually of
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highlight reel. So I'm looking at
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and it says ten minutes. I
exaggerate you not that at about the five

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minute mark, they've shown some punches
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fifth or sixth round, and they
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I'm like, did nothing of note
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round that was even worth a highlight
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full disclosure from me. You obviously
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by round most of the time.
Was it a snooze fast second half of

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the fight, because there was certainly
no highlights. A fight stunk, Let's

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just be honest about it. And
by the way, when I say the

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fight stunk, I'm not in anyway
knocking the fighters. Because Jack Catterall did

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what he does. He boxed very
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never gonna be in the action pack
kind of fights. And I always say

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this, whether it's about a pay
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match or for that matchup. We
talked about it with the Misfits. We

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talked about it about how the perception
of McGregor and Mayweather. As long as

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you know what you're gonna as long
as you sort of know basically what to

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expect, you're not going to be
disappointed. So when you know that Jack

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Catterall is going to be in a
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type of fight you saw with Giovanni
Santition and Alexis Roche. The joke,

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of course, when the Roacha and
Santion fight started is that there was more

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punches and leather thrown and landed in
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So no, it was not a
good fight to watch. It was.

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It was a lot of you know, good boxing and moving I mean,

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but there's nothing wrong with that.
It just it's not just nearly as

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entertaining. That's you know, I
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but Caterall, listen, he did
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that the judges cards were way too
wet. I thought that was like an

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eleven to one, maybe twelve nothing, maybe ten two kind of fight.

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We talk about all the time the
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on that fight, it could have
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you give Lenaris two rounds if you
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a limb and maybe you kind of, you know, blink your eye and

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fell asleep for a couple of seconds, maybe you give him three rounds.

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So one judge, in fact did
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which is in fact nine rounds.
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know how they did this. They
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eight one, sixteen to one,
twelve. That seemed to be awfully that

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was given Lenaris way too much credit. But yeah, it was not a

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good fight. There was a moment
in the fifth round when Caterall. You

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know, he definitely hurt Lenaris.
He landed out. You know, he's

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a southa Cadall. He landed a
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sent Lenaris back to the ropes.
He grabbed onto the ropes to sort of

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steady himself, and then Caterall came
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bunch of punches that had him kind
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Leonari is not exactly blessed with the
best chin in the world. We all

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know that. But to his credit, he did survive. But there was

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no doubt that he lost a fight. And I've never seen a guy like

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so happy in the loss before.
He was talking like you know that he

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was happy. He feels amazing and
he just got his ass kick for twelve

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rounds on the score cards. And
you know, I think he was talking

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afterwards that likely he'll retire, you
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didn't need to be taking that fight. That was sort of like his his

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I don't know how much money he
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last pay day. Let's say he's
lost now four fights in a row.

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He hasn't been the same or a
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out by the silly Lomachenko when he
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back in twenty eighteen, a fight
I was at that was a spectacular performance

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from Almachenko to do what he did, you know, fighting so much of

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that fight with a torn rotator cuff
and and and not. He's only knocked

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down, getting up and scoring his
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The thing that drove me crazy about
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is if I had if I was
like a drinker and I wanted to

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have a drinking game and I put
out the liquor in front of me or

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the beers in front of me when
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a drink. Every time somebody on
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a legend in boxing, I'd have
been absolutely fucking smashed to spin the rounds

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because I understand. You know,
you want to call certain guys legends.

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That's fair. You know you're talking
about pick that fighter. You want to

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talk about Manny Packet or Floyd Mayweather. You want to talk about Oscar de

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la Hoy, you want about Canelo, you want to talk about you know

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whatever. There's plenty of guys that
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calling them a legend, and they're
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the show. In Evander Holyfield.
We talked about him some on the preview

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podcast. Absolutely a legend. That's
a legend, okay. Porge Lenaris was

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a good fighter who had a lot
of potential. He did win titles in

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three way classes, although had somebody
pointed out to me on Twitter, you

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know, he did it in a
way that is not maybe the I'm not

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knocking winning three titles, but the
reality was he I guess won all three

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of his titles were vacant titles,
so he never defeated the reigning champion to

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grab one of his belts. But
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He did what he was supposed to
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legend, to me, I want
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him a good fighter, you want
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you want to call him a good
dude, all that's fine. You want

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to call him a guy with some
heart, also fine. Veteran and you

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even shook your head at grizzled Veteran
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Show Friday. If he's a legend, then what does that say about the

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definition of legend. What does his
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Yeah, yeah, yep. So
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trying to I get the I mean, book, we we I make my

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living in the sport of boxing.
I get it that there. That's a

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hype driven sport in many respects.
That's fine, but they must have called

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Hohlenaris between the pre fight up and
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fight a legend a hundred times.
I mean, Tony values my man and

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everything. But come on, Tony, I mean the announcers and Eddie Hearn

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and and and I mean I get
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his opponent. I mean, that's
fine, but I don't know. I'm

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not trying to belabor the point.
But well, I kept hearing legend.

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I'm like, you give me a
break, and can I just tell you

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again, we give our own opinions
here. We've got Devin Haney coming up

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with Regis program, and Eddie Hearn
kept talking about Caterall is gonna get the

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winner Catgol. Catterall is going to
likely get the winner of that or maybe

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Josh Taylor. I don't know that
that Caterall's done enough to get the winner

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of Pro Gray and Devin Haney.
It's because he signed as a match Room

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fighter, and hearn's involved with match
Room with the title fight that's coming in

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December. But a couple of things
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you know your connections are part of
how you get certain fights. I mean,

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the only reason that Devin Haney got
the chance to fight George Cambosis to

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become the undisputed champion a lightweight's because
he signed with Top Rank and loud Debella,

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and lou Debella had Cambosis and Top
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I mean, that's that's fine.
But the reason why that Caterall would deserve

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it is the man has one loss
and it is an extremely controversial loss to

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Josh Taylor, who at that time
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I think there is a chance because
of the connections that he could get the

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winner of program against Handy. The
other fight that he might get is a

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fight with Josh Taylor. As any
post fight interview, I understand that you

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know is where he's at AED one
hundred and forty pounds, and that Josh

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Taylor, after has lost to t
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last remaining of his belts the WBO
title, said he was probably moving up

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to welterweight. He threw it out
there and said, look, we're fine

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to do a catchweight. He said
he'll talk to top ranks see what their

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interest is. And from top ranks
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they're going to be interested. There's
no obvious fight out there right now.

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would be as big of a deal
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And that's about whichever, whether it's
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event with Matroom, that's you know, I can see it going either way,

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but that's the biggest fight for both
guys. There's a lot of money

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in that fight. There's a tremendous
amount of fan interest, I'm sure in

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Britain, and then you know in
the in the entirety of the UK over

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there for that fight, and Taylor
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big fight coming off such a comprehensive
loss to tia Fimo. So I think

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that there's a real strong chance that
we could see that rematch, even at

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a catchway. Kind of think about
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beat Warrington and then vacated the featherweight
title and they're talking about a rematch.

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That rematch does not take on any
less interest, I think to fans because

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it wouldn't be for a title.
The same way is if they do Caterall

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against Taylor in a rematch, it
doesn't lose any luster in terms of what

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the fan interest would be because it's
not very world title. Was there any

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less interest in Again, we'll talk
about fights that actually did take place when

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they did. The two fights between
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a world time and there was huge
interest in that fight. So, you

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know, it's always cool if you
can have a world title to sake.

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I get that, but there's also
just fights that that fans want to see,

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and this is one of them.
I think the rematch between Taylor and

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Caterall, So I do think there's
a reasonable chance that will happen, and

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I disagree with you. He does
deserve that kind of fight. He may

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not be the most exciting guy in
the history of the world, but he's

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an excellent boxer and a lot of
people felt he got absolutely hose and rob

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of the undisputed championship that night.
I don't need to see Jack Catterall fight

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Devin Haney or Regis Prograde before Tafi
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work that out, and I realize
that's the street and I can listen,

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and because of the styles, by
the way the way the Jack fights and

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the way the Devon fights, they're
very effective and very very outstanding of what

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they do. But if you put
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now you're probably asking for a snooze
fest. What's not going to be a

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snooze fest is your conversation with Amanda
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Dan talked to her recently, including
the intrigue. This will be a

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twelve round not a ten round,
twelve three minute rounds world title fight for

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Sir Serrano against Danila Ramos. So
let's get to your conversation with her,

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I just want to tell you one
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about the fact that this has been
approved by the Florida Commission. Again,

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the fight takes place on Friday night, October twenty seventh. It is

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the main event on the de Zonne
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in conjunction with one of their prospect
cards at the Curb Royal in Orlando.

404
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But there hasn't been a women's championship
boxing match schedule for twelve twelve rounds since

405
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and three minutes per round that Again, I don't know if this is one

406
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:37,440
hundred percent, but based on the
research that the MVP people did my own

407
00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:40,119
research, the only thing I have
been able to come up with then that

408
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,640
they came up with is that there
was a female boxer who's been around for

409
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a long time named Laila McCarter,
who had two lightweight title bouts under those

410
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,640
rules in Las Vegas in two thousand
and seven. So I don't know if

411
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,960
there's been a fight that's been a
twelve round women's fight where the rounds were

412
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,279
three minutes since seven. I know
there's been fights that have been three minutes

413
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:03,720
that it does happen occasionally in certain
jurisdictions if both sides requested, it can

414
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happen, but not the combination of
the three minutes and the twelve rounds.

415
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So with that said, one of
the most entertaining female fighters in the world

416
00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:17,880
is on the podcast right now.
It's my great honor for the first time

417
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,279
in my career to interview this lady, Amanda Serrano, the undisputed women's featherweight

418
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,599
champion of the world, a seven
division champion, one of the best women's

419
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,920
fighters we've seen. Amanda, thank
you so much for doing this. Welcome,

420
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,000
Oh, thank you for having me. Thank you for allow the amazing

421
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,440
words. It's honored to be here
with you, an honor for you.

422
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,720
You you bet my pleasure. So
we're here to talk about your next fight,

423
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:44,680
which is going to be October twenty
seventh at the carib Royale Resort in

424
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,000
Orlando, Florida. You will headline
a card on de Zonne an MVP card

425
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:56,799
your promoter. You'll take on the
interim title holder Dana Leah Ramos for your

426
00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,079
featherweight championship, and of course,
you know, first and foremost, anytime

427
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,240
you get in the ring, it's
going to be interesting the boxing fans.

428
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,200
But this one, I think has
created even a little bit more attention because

429
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,160
of the fact that, for the
first time in a long time in boxing,

430
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,519
we're gonna see a women's championship fight
that is going to be scheduled for

431
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:17,440
twelve rounds and for not two minute
rounds but three minute rounds. So this

432
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:18,799
is going to be just like just
like the guys do it just like the

433
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:25,559
boys. And my question is,
how did that come about? Like was

434
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,359
that your idea to try to press
for that, Like what was the genesis

435
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,440
of saying, hey, let's do
something a little different that hasn't been seen

436
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,759
for a very long time since the
mid two thousands last time that happened in

437
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:38,240
a women's title fight. Listen,
I'm telling the guy on this show,

438
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,839
I'm just an athlete. I say, I'm the actor in this big,

439
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,319
amazing movie that my trainers manager joining
Mo Andato. He said that, right,

440
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,079
So it was as craziness. You
know, we want to always do

441
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,960
something outside the box. You know, it was his idea to become a

442
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,839
seventh division world champion. I just
roll with it, and I decided let's

443
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,599
do way. So I've done pretty
much everything I wanted to do in my

444
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,079
career boxing. I'm the Swinish Champions
seven division world champion, and now it's

445
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,279
time to, you know, just
get the set and standard for the women's

446
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:17,000
in the future of the sport of
women's boxing. And the only thing I

447
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,359
haven't done is that's fall from minute
around and we decided, you know,

448
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,200
that's let's do it. We trained
for it, just like the men.

449
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,200
And you know, now that I
have the platform, the exposure, the

450
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:33,359
team that is backing me up,
we can show that women aren't really incapable

451
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,160
of Tony. So there have been
a few different women that have been vocal

452
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,759
about the fact that they would like
to see the women's fights be on the

453
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:45,000
same sort of rules and playing field
as the men's fight, which I can

454
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,759
understand. But I also think to
myself, you have these great women's tennis

455
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,279
players. For example, they play
the best of three sets in their Big

456
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,440
Grand Slam tournaments, in any tournament, and the men played best out of

457
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,799
five in the w n b A. There's great female basketball players, but

458
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,240
they use a smaller basketball and the
men use a larger basketball. And you

459
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,960
know, I don't think that it
takes anybody's They don't say that, you

460
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,880
know, Serena Williams is not a
great tennis player a great athlete just because

461
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,519
she's playing less. So I wonder, uh, is do you do you

462
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,920
understand why that the people were like, well, why do the women want

463
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,880
to go twelve to three minute rounds
and not just do it the way they've

464
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,839
been doing it. Well, we've
been criticizing the past for oh, you

465
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:32,240
know, they get paid to what
they get paid because they're only doing two

466
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,079
minutes. They're doing, you know, a minute lesson in a fight.

467
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,880
But you know it's not it's not
all about that, you know. I'm

468
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,759
also am an MMA fighter and the
MMA girls they fight five minutes. My

469
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,000
first fight was five minutes round three, five minutes round. So I've done

470
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,079
it and I've seen that they are
capable. And like you said, this

471
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,039
is not the first time women have
Well, my sister actually for Leila Mocarza

472
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,920
a minute round and didn't got twelve
rounds, but it was six of the

473
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,279
sixth founders, so it's been done. Women want to show that we can

474
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,799
do it. Ay, I think
we can show a little more because we

475
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,359
have the two minutes are exciting yeah, And I don't mind fighting with two

476
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,400
minutes because see it runs in benefits
for me. But I think three minutes

477
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,480
will also benefit for me because I
have a long avount. But I think

478
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,240
it's exciting. But I think three
minutes will also help us get you know,

479
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,920
one knockout or just showcase our skills. Right, well, it is

480
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400
it is something new. I can
remember many years ago covering a Mike Tyson

481
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,079
event in Michigan, and I found
out that weekend that women's boxing matches back

482
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,160
at the time, they were three
minute rounds, and Lei l Ali was

483
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,839
on the card in a fight.
It wasn't a twelve rounder or even a

484
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,039
ten rounder or even a title fight. It was a six round fight.

485
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,880
But the fact is they were going
three minute rounds. And there are some

486
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,400
states here in the United States where
the default is two minutes, but if

487
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,359
the two athletes request from the commission
to go three minutes, they will allow

488
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,119
it. And so I wondered,
do you know, because you said,

489
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,240
I know, it was Jordan,
your trainer and manager, that was responsible

490
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,200
for sort of helping get this squared
away, do you know if it was

491
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,079
hard to convince Ramos to go along
with it to also have a twelve round

492
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:11,039
fund. Honestly, it was it
was really for two seconds. It was

493
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:14,559
really fast to get her a team. So really to it because a lot

494
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,240
of the women now they're they're willing
to do it, and I guess it's

495
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,480
just to show that that we here. We want to prove that we're women,

496
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,359
we're serious in this sport, and
we do the same thing to treat

497
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,319
the three minutes. You know,
I sport three ten minute round ten minutes.

498
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:36,680
I'm ten round three minutes. So
it's nothing different. Like I told,

499
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,759
I go to the gym and then
the standard boxes. Thats three minutes

500
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,319
thirty seconds. So I'm not going
to go and say, oh, listen,

501
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,359
I'm a woman, so she's about
two two minutes. No, they

502
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,839
give I have to do what I
have to do in the gym, so

503
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:55,359
I three minutes. So this fight
is a championship fight. You will to

504
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,599
be defending most of your belts,
the IBF title, the WBO title,

505
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:06,359
and THEBA title. The WBC has
for many years declined to entertain the notion

506
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,160
of having women's title fights be twelve
minutes or three minute rounds, and they've

507
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,559
made their point. They've explained that
I've had conversations over the years with Mauricio

508
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Suliman about that they're respectful about it, it seems, but pretty steadfast,

509
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:22,279
and that they don't want to extend
the length of the rounds or the fight.

510
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,160
So your WBC belt is not going
to be sanctioned for this fight.

511
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,559
So I'm curious your opinion about the
WBC's viewpoint that they don't want to have

512
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:37,119
women go the longer rounds, the
longer fight. I respect that decision,

513
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,759
you know, it's been their decision
for a bit long time. My job

514
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:45,200
is to go up there and perform
and show that we are. One day

515
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,799
in the future they will change their
mind. So it seems to me that

516
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,279
when you fight these days, it's
pretty big news, you know, being

517
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,079
the name that you've become over the
last you know, a couple of years

518
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,559
with some of the big events.
Uh. And this of course is getting

519
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,880
in a little bit more attention,
I think because of the the interest in

520
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,400
the fact that this is going to
be a longer fight from the standpoint of

521
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,519
the rounds and the length of rounds. But you've also had a big promotional

522
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:12,160
push over your last number of fights
because of your alliance now with m VP

523
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,079
and Jake Paul and the Kisa Badari, and I wonder what of those two

524
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,240
men and their promotional company meant to
your career because you were always you were

525
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,960
already a top fighter even before you
hooked up with those guys. Yeah,

526
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,720
So now I say I've been the
best decision I've ever made in my career.

527
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:32,519
I've finished a world champion, unified
champion for so many years. But

528
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:38,599
it's a Nikisa and Jake Paul MVP
to shine that spotlight on me and just

529
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,920
showcase not just me but women's boxing
that we're right here, that you know

530
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,079
when we go out there, we
give it out all. And because of

531
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:53,160
them, I've made lots of money. I've been treated really well. I've

532
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,599
been getting amazing sponsorships, which I've
never gotten before. You know, I've

533
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,720
done this far for forty years.
I've been fighting every day. I died

534
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,759
believe I was supposed to fight pace
in Akisa and Jake Paul fall For shining

535
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:13,400
that light on me, I beg
truly, truly blessed. So I want

536
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,839
to just wrap up with this.
And I know you get assets a lot.

537
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,599
I have not heard you say anything
about it lately. Anyway, you

538
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,960
had that huge fight with Katie Taylor
that was for the undisputed the lightweight champing

539
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,559
you moved up. It was a
super close fight. It was probably for

540
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,119
my money anyway, and I'm not
alone. I think probably considered the best

541
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,960
women's championship fight we've seen in the
sports history. And of course there was

542
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,160
a lot of conversation you you women
would do it again in a rematch.

543
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:39,799
Different things happened that prevented it at
you know, when it was supposed to

544
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,920
take place. I wonder, you
know you're going on this route. You

545
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,480
have this defense against Ramos, she
has been defeated by Cameron. They're having

546
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,319
a rematch this fall. Also,
I wonder do you think that we will

547
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,440
ever see you two women in a
rematch? And that I say that regardless

548
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,440
of what happens when she fights Cameron, whether she loses again or wins the

549
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,880
title at one forty, or what
happens in your fight. That because there's

550
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,559
so much fan interest in seeing what
you guys did the first time, to

551
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,000
see it again, you think,
no matter what, we're going to see

552
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,880
that someday. Yeah, I would
definitely love you know, I enjoyed every

553
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,599
moment and that build up to that
fight with Katie Taylor. She's an amazing

554
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,840
dance fund and amazing champion and I
would love nothing more than to share the

555
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,440
ring with part again. You know, I just switching her all the best

556
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:30,039
in her next fight. I to
love camera as well. She's a great

557
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:31,639
fighter, so she's going to be
a great fight, and I just hope

558
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,840
they both come out well and maybe
in the future we can get that roommatch.

559
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,639
Well. I sure hope that we
do see that rematch someday, whatever

560
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,639
happens in your fight and Katie's fight
coming up, Amanda, thank you very

561
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,639
much for doing this today. I
appreciate. I wish you great luck October

562
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,480
twenty seventh in your fight. Thank
you, thank you, and just remember

563
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,000
a scheduled for twelve three minutes doesn't
have to go twelve three minutes. As

564
00:34:54,039 --> 00:35:00,000
they say, you don't get paid
for overtime. Oh yeah, actually,

565
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:07,760
thank you very much, Amanda.
Thank you okay again coming Friday, as

566
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,920
you laid out there in Orlando for
her latest title defense. And part of

567
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,960
what we've been saying in the setup
to this is part of the argument is

568
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:20,440
if the rounds are longer, not
so much that it has to be a

569
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,880
twelve round fight. But if there
were three minute rounds instead of two,

570
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:27,920
you might see stoppages or knockouts happen
more frequently. You gotta be careful with

571
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,199
safety, etc. But that the
longer around goes, the chance for knockdown

572
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,920
to turn into knockout or a fighter
being stunned or hurt being stopped becomes a

573
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,000
little greater. So I think that's
worth throwing into the discussion here. And

574
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,000
Serrano a very talented fighter. There
is no disputing that with all the success

575
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,880
she's had good for her, she
is a bona fide first ballot Hall of

576
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,400
Famer. When she decides to call
it a day, whatever happens between her

577
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,880
and Ramos, obviously Amanda will be
heavily favored. We'll pay attention to see

578
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,559
what happens in the coming weeks when
the remains between Chantel Cameron and Katie Taylor

579
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:06,480
takes place for the undisputed title at
one hundred and forty pounds that Cameron has,

580
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,559
but either way, Katie is the
lightweight undisputed champion. And I know,

581
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,199
as as a man that spoke about
and Katie has talked about also,

582
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,639
you know eventually, no matter what
happens between Serrano and Ramos or Chantel Cameron

583
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,440
and Katie Taylor, at some point, because the fans are gonna want it

584
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,400
and the money is going to be
there, there's you gotta figure somehow,

585
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,159
some way that those two women are
going to have a rematch together. They

586
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,119
were supposed to have one, it
didn't happen, but their's is the is

587
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:35,039
now the bar set for great women's
boxing matches, and I think that the

588
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,679
fans and the two women deserve to
see a rematch. So I do think

589
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,559
down the road will see Serrano have
a rematch with Katie. It's just a

590
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,320
matter of how long down the road. Hopefully sooner than later. They're neither

591
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,960
one of them is getting any younger, so hopefully it will happen. Some

592
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:51,239
news and then some nostalgia. All
right, So you have news about Oljara

593
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,760
Davies and an upcoming fight. You've
mentioned this a couple of times before.

594
00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:00,599
Tell me what you have learned on
where that title fight for he will land?

595
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,239
Okay, So the WBA one hundred
and forty pound title holder is a

596
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,480
Roly Romero, but he is sidelined
because of a back injury. And the

597
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:15,440
WBA, which eliminated their usage of
interim champions with thankfully because they would just

598
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,360
crown them for no apparent reason,
is going to utilize one in a way

599
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
in which I agree with it's okay
to use an interim championship in the case

600
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,480
where the champion is injured. And
because according to the medical medical report that

601
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,360
Roly Romero's people sent to the WBA, he's going to be sidelined probably till

602
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,000
next spring because of a problem with
a disc in his back. So in

603
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:40,079
that case, O'Hara Davies has been
his mandatory challenger and was sitting there supposed

604
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:45,920
to get the next fight he just
recently signed with Golden White Promotions. Ishmael

605
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,159
Barroso, who, as we have
discussed a multiple of times on this podcast,

606
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:57,960
was completely done wrong by the referee
Tony Weeks when his fight against Roly

607
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,559
Romire for the vacant title was stopped
for no apparent reason in the ninth round

608
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,480
in a fight that took place back
in May, so they were fighting for

609
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,840
the vacant title, Romero won and
Barroso could not get the immediate rematch.

610
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,559
Davies wasn't getting the title shot as
the mandatory because of what happened with the

611
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:16,159
injury, so the WBA approved the
match between Davies and Barroso for the interim

612
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:20,880
title. Presumably the winner of that
fight will have to fight really when he

613
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:23,480
makes his return, but Davies and
Barroso, which is a fight I had

614
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,920
been asked about by some folks on
social media several times over the last a

615
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,039
couple of weeks. What's so,
I guess O'Hara. Davies has like a

616
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:35,679
very vocal minority of fans in the
UK. We're fascinated and interested of when

617
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:37,840
he will fight, particularly having signed
with Golden Boy, figuring that means his

618
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,400
next fight will be in America,
and in fact it will. It will

619
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,559
take place again. The deal's not
done yet, so there's always a chance,

620
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:46,119
like anything in boxing, that won't
actually come to pass. But what

621
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:51,599
I am told by folks involved is
that Golden Boy and miraculously the folks at

622
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,639
PBC, remember they don't do a
lot of business together, but they are

623
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,480
working out a deal where we'll call
for Davies and bars Barroso of Courson with

624
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:04,159
PBC. That de fight will take
place on December two at the Toyota Center

625
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,760
in Houston. It will be the
co feature when Ryan Garcia makes his return

626
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,880
against Oscar d'Arte and obviously depending on
how long Romero was out or just setting

627
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,599
up things for the future, it
puts on a possible future opponent for Garcia

628
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,320
on his card where he could then
fight for a title. It also is

629
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,400
in a good situation because if something
should happen and Duarte gets injured or has

630
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,519
a COVID test or whatever, and
you need to get a new opponent for

631
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,400
the main event, at least he
got other quality junior Walter Rate's also on

632
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,000
the same card, and maybe they
can push somebody into the main event from

633
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:38,760
that. So that's what it looks
like. That'll be the co feature.

634
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,480
All right, good stuff on that
you have been talking about. You mentioned

635
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:49,760
it a couple of times on this
podcast that it would not necessarily be that

636
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,840
on the Saturday night of the Heisman
Trophy presentation for college football's top honor in

637
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,679
New York, that the usual top
rank show following it immediately following it on

638
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,920
the same television network on ESPN would
not necessarily be in New York. You

639
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:07,159
even mentioned that it could potentially be
in Florida. Give us the further update

640
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,760
of what you found out. Okay, So, since they've been doing those

641
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,760
annual Heisman Trophy Night cards on ESPN, all of them have taken place at

642
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Madison Square Garden, either in the
main arena or the theater. This will

643
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,360
be the first year that won't be
the case. Remember, Originally December ninth

644
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,679
was ticketed for tia Fimo Lopez's first
title defense following his June victory over Josh

645
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,079
Tayler to become the WBO and Lineel
Junior at Welterwake champion. But tia Fimo

646
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,639
Lopez is not going to fight for
the rest of the year, and as

647
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,280
we detailed in the last podcast in
my interview with Oscar de Laoya, there

648
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,960
is conversations taking place between Golden Boy
and Top Rank about the possibility again nothing

649
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:50,039
done, but maybe that when Tiafimo
does come back, it could potentially be

650
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,320
against Ryan Garcia in February. They're
trying to do maybe a card on Super

651
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,079
Bowl weekend or something like that,
So you know that's off in the distant

652
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,599
future. But the point is that
that left them with this February I mean,

653
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,320
rather I'm sorry with the December ninth
date. Where they didn't have an

654
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,559
attraction that they can put in New
York and fill up the arena that night.

655
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,599
You don't want to do a Heisman
Night card where you don't have a

656
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,760
real, big time main event that
brings in fans. So what they're going

657
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,400
to do is instead of having in
New York City, they're going to take

658
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,199
the show on the road, and
they're going to do it the venue that

659
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,800
I that I'm told it will take
place in. You're going to be our

660
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,119
on site reporter since it's in your
neighborhood, relatively speaking, South Florida.

661
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,679
They're doing it in the thirty two
hundred seat Charles F. Dodge City Center

662
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:34,800
in Pembrooke Pines, Florida, which
I looked it up on their website.

663
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,880
It looks like a pretty cool place
where they have. You know, it's

664
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:44,360
like the same size as the It's
bigger than the Cosmopolitan where they have fights

665
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,000
in Vegas. It's around the same
size as the MGM National Harbor, where

666
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:50,840
I have covered many fights, you
know, not too far from me in

667
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,000
Maryland. I got to confess to
you, I've lived in Florida for forty

668
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,440
years. I know about Pembrook Pines
down in South Florida. But I've never

669
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,400
heard of this arena, but it
doesn't mean that it's not a night yeah

670
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,519
arena. And we'll see what kind
of uh turnout there will be because they're

671
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,000
going to fill this card up well, like you were mentioning before, with

672
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:13,119
some fighters, especially the Cuban Roba
c Ramirez. That is a huge Cuban

673
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,440
population if he's the guy, So
that's the whole point. So because Robac

674
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,960
is going to be defending the again, the card and the site haven't been

675
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,760
officially announced, I'm assuming that will
come, you know, in the next

676
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,800
you know, gotta be the next
couple of weeks. I guess they're still

677
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,920
getting the paper done with the with
the venue. But Robas Ramirez is the

678
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,840
WBO featherweight champion. Uh, he's
gonna be making a second title defense against

679
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,199
Raphael Espinoza. And again he's Cuban, and you know, the South Florida

680
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,119
is obviously the biggest Cuban population probably
in the world other than Cuba, So

681
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,159
you got to figure some Cubans will
turn out for him. It's not that

682
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,639
big of a place to fill up. And then another fighter that's going to

683
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:50,440
be on the card is Xander Zayas, who is a Puerto Rican who lives

684
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,280
in Sunrise, Florida, which is, you know, a short car ride

685
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,840
away from Pemburg Pines. So the
combination of his Puerto Rican heritage and the

686
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Puerto Rican fans being so loyal to
their fighters, plus he's a local fight

687
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,519
or any whatever nationality is, you
know, the combination of the Puerto Rican

688
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,639
from Sunrise, Florida. And you
throw in also the champion Robas Ramirez,

689
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:13,159
who's a Cuban that based out in
Miami. You know, you can have

690
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,039
a decent chance of bringing a decent
crowd for a show like that, And

691
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,199
so that's the plan. There.
Good stuff. Another note before the nostalgia,

692
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:27,679
and this is on the two time
IBF bantamweight champion Emanuel Rodriguez. What

693
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,239
do we know about this because I
see here on the rundown he is,

694
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,800
I mean, retirements in boxing aren't
always in stone. But what do we

695
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,840
know here about a possible retirement?
Well, I mean, yeah, nothing

696
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,679
in boxing is in stone. But
he went on his Facebook page, you

697
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,519
know, a few days ago and
said he was retiring. He gave a

698
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:46,639
nice, you know statement that you
know, boxing, how much it's been

699
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,280
meant to him and how he's accomplished, you know, what he's dreamt about

700
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,320
doing and things along those lines.
And if you remember it was back you

701
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,719
know, first of all, he's
been a professional since twenty twelve, so

702
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,159
it's been you know, over a
decade, about eleven year career. Not

703
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,320
that long compared to some champions,
but not like he's only been around for

704
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,840
two seconds. But back in August, I just mentioned the MGM National Harbor.

705
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:13,000
That was the venue in Maryland where
he fought in the main event on

706
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:19,440
showtime against Melvin Lopez, and he
won a very lopside a shutout one twenty

707
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,119
to one oh five and all three
scorecards because he actually scored three knockdowns in

708
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,039
the twelve round and really was pretty
much the only exciting part of the fight.

709
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,320
But he won the fight handily.
He won the vacant IBF Bantamway title,

710
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,599
which was the title he used to
hold when he lost it in his

711
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,880
first title reign. He got knocked
out by a Noya in a way during

712
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,119
the World Boxing Super Series and you
know, got just blitzed in the second

713
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,679
round in that fight. That was
back in two thousand and eighteen or nineteen

714
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,280
so he regains the title. So
he's a two time champion of the IBF

715
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,199
and he just won in August,
so you know, he's very surprising for

716
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,440
a guy to coming off a world
title win to call it a day.

717
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,000
But that's exactly what Emmanuel Rodriguez has
done. He's a Puerto Rican fighter,

718
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,960
he's only thirty one years old.
He hasn't had huge amounts of fights,

719
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,320
twenty two wins, two losses,
and thirteen knockouts and called it a career.

720
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,920
So anytime a world champion announces his
retirement, you know, you got

721
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,119
to pay some attention. We'll see
if it actually sticks for good. You

722
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:15,119
know, obviously if he made a
comeback at some point, I don't think

723
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,880
it would surprise anybody. But the
reason is even more surprising than your normal

724
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,719
boxing retirement is because he is a
reigning world champion. So we'll see it

725
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,519
last longer. It's weird. It
will see if it lasts longer than Tathimo

726
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,320
Lopez's retirement right which he said he
was retiring, which some of that is

727
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,039
legal proceedings with a divorce, and
he was wanting to give the title up.

728
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,360
He never gave the title up,
so you're absolutely right on that,

729
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,639
so good news. Now some nostalgia
before we get out of here and head

730
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,519
into a new week. It was
eleven years ago this past Friday that you

731
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,159
made mentioned at the beginning of the
podcast that the Barclays Center in Brooklyn,

732
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:57,280
New York had not won Raphael not
two excuse me, four world title fights

733
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,719
on the same card on showtime,
and you there as a witness at ringside

734
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,440
for this go ahead. So in
twenty twelve, the Barclay Center in Brooklyn

735
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,400
opened its doors. It's the home
ice of the NHL team, of the

736
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,840
NBA team, and plenty of concerts
and all kinds of stuff. But when

737
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,079
the owners put it, you know, when they discussed what they were going

738
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,199
to do with this great facility,
boxing was going to be a big part

739
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:27,760
of its future, and it has
been that for most of its existence.

740
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,440
From twenty twelve, it's been very
lackluster. The last year or so.

741
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,719
They haven't had a fight there since
October of last year, when Deontay Wilder

742
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,719
made as less than one round cameo
appearance in a knockout against Robert Alnius.

743
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,119
But even before that they hadn't really
been doing a lot of cards. I

744
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:44,920
think part of that was COVID related, but the reality is part of it's

745
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,800
because they changed owners who have less
of an interest in putting boxing events on.

746
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,400
But for a period of time after
their opening, they were one of

747
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,360
the busiest arenas in the country for
boxing. Every single big fight that was

748
00:46:55,639 --> 00:47:00,599
thought about or talked about always was
mentioned as a possibility for taking place at

749
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:04,119
Park Lay Center. They had developed
that much of a national reputation for their

750
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,239
boxing in a short period of time. They probably have hosted during the time

751
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,199
that they opened for boxing with that
first card in October of twenty twelve.

752
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,960
I want to tell you that they've
probably I don't know that I could count

753
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,760
it up, but I'll tell you
it's probably forty more than forty, but

754
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,760
less than fifty boxing events that they
have done there. I have covered in

755
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,800
person probably ninety percent of the fights
that they've had there. I've missed a

756
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,920
few, but I've covered most of
them. And they've had a lot of

757
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,719
big fights. I mean, they've
had a ton of the big PBC Games

758
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,719
because they had a kind of a
deal with them where they were the main

759
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,119
provider, But there were some other
non PBC events there as well. But

760
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:45,360
you know that first card though,
it was the rematch between then unified Junior

761
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,480
welterway champion Danny Garcia against Eric Morales, which turned you know, he had

762
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,880
defeated him in the first fight when
Morales did not make weight, so he

763
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,320
ended up winning the vacant WBC title. He ended up winning another belt,

764
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,320
the WBA title, when he knocked
out a Mere Khan, and Eric Morales

765
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,039
had the right to a rematch,
but Garcia took one fight in between,

766
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:08,480
and this was a massive knockout on
a left hook that Danny Garcia had against

767
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:12,679
Eric Morales, which turned out to
be Eric Morales' final fight. He's obviously

768
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,079
a Hall of Famer. There was
a lot of controversy, by the way

769
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:20,280
about it because Morales had felt a
two drug tests for clembuterol, and because

770
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,519
of technicalities, as we often see
in boxing, he was allowed to fight,

771
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,920
he claimed, and there were some
people that believed that it did not

772
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,239
seem out of the realm because Eric
had never had any kind of issues related

773
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,920
to drug situations in his career before
after a very long, great Hall of

774
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,559
Fame career. But he was one
of these guys that said, look,

775
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:38,880
it's the same thing i've been.
You know, the tainted meat in Mexico

776
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,840
was a big deal. And again
he had the kind of levels in his

777
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,159
system where if the test was taken
today, he would have not been the

778
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,320
flagged as a positive test. Kind
of the same situation with Canelo. In

779
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,360
any event, that was the main
event, two big names. Even if

780
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,360
Morales was passed as prime than they
had a bunch of other fights on it

781
00:48:53,480 --> 00:49:00,599
had Pauli Malinaji won a decision of
the exciting Pablo Caesar Canoe to retain the

782
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,719
WBA welterweight title. The paul of
courses from Brooklyn. They loaded this card

783
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,159
up with Brooklyn fighters. He had
Peter Quillan, Kid Chocolate, also a

784
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:13,039
Brooklyn fighter. He wins a decision
against Hassana Dam and won the WBO middleway

785
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,079
title. He had Devin Alexander,
who was still a very top fighter at

786
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:19,440
that time. He scored a decision
against Randall Bailey, one of the great

787
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,760
punchers we've seen of recent times.
He won the IBF title. Wasn't a

788
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,280
title fight, it wasn't on showtime, but he had Danny Jacobs post his

789
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,519
cancer diagnosis, coming back and winning
a fight on that undercart and I just

790
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,960
I remember being there was a pretty
big event. It was a lot of

791
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,679
excitement. Hadn't been world title boxing
in the in the borough of Brooklyn for

792
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,119
decades, like over fifty years or
something like that, so it was like

793
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,559
a huge deal. And they went
on from there and had, you know,

794
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,480
tons of big fights. They had, you know, Bernard Hopkins fought

795
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:51,840
there, tons of Deontay Wilder fights, Eryl Spence, Sean Porter, Danny

796
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:57,360
Garcia, Keith Thurman, I mean, Ruslan Pervadnikov, Chris Algery, Amir

797
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,239
Khan fought there. I mean like
nigg El Coodo fought there. They have

798
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,480
had a ton of top fighters fight
there, and it's one of the best

799
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,679
buildings in the in the that exist
for boxing. And I wish they would

800
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,280
pick up their schedule a little bit
more, but it started eleven years ago

801
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,599
and that was a huge show.
Good nostalgia. There one more piece of

802
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:20,840
nostalgia. We wished to Evander Holyfield
happy Birthday last week and talked a lot

803
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,760
about him. The anniversary thirty three
years ago coming this Wednesday, October twenty

804
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,800
fifth, of him capturing the undisputed
heavyweight title. Came with one booming right

805
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,320
hand ray Feel against Buster Douglas as
he captured that title after Douglas's upset had

806
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:44,599
happened what some eight months earlier against
Mike Tyson. Now, Rayfield was not

807
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,480
ringside for that one. Do you
remember what did you watch this one live?

808
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,199
I remember where I watched this one
live because I talked about being in

809
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,039
college all the time. Do you
remember where you watched it live or did

810
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,480
you see it live? I don't
think I saw this live because I also

811
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:59,239
was in college and it was it
was hard to watch those fights. This

812
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,840
was not on show. It was
on pay per view, and I don't

813
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,920
remember I remember watching like some pay
per view fights, but it was not

814
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,199
easy to find a place for pay
per view fights when I was in college.

815
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,880
So what I do remember is seeing
the delay broadcast later on showtime,

816
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,960
but knowing the result. But we
didn't know. It's not like there was

817
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,760
YouTube or internet or your phone or
whatever. We watched Sports Center and saw

818
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,800
still photos and so in this case, a friend of mine, a college

819
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,159
classmate of mine, had the pay
per view box. We were talking about

820
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:35,320
this on the preview podcast about how
this is the early days of pay per

821
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,599
view in the home. Not everybody
had it. Not every capability in every

822
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:44,519
cable system had it. But I
watched this pay per view in the home

823
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,320
at the friend's house, or about
five of us there that were watching,

824
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,280
and it was obvious that Douglas was
not in good shape. You've joked about

825
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,679
that before that as soon as he
took the robe off at the way in,

826
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,320
everybody was running to the window to
take Holy Field. At the Mirage,

827
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,320
we know about the booming ko where
Buster laid there and rubbed his nose

828
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,280
and looked skyward at Mills Lane,
I think it was mills Lane right counting

829
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,079
over him and said I'm not moving, I'm not getting up. That's it.

830
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:14,000
And then it was electrifying for Evander
Holt. Now what's interesting but he

831
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,679
threw he threw an opera cuff from
like ten miles away and got counter with

832
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,039
that shot to knock him out booming
all right. Now, what's interesting about

833
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,639
this in the nostalgia is that that
summer, the legal wrangling had gone on

834
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,599
for a couple of months with Douglas
and his management Jim Johnson is his name,

835
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:37,280
had sued Don King on two different
points. The first point is for

836
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:43,760
King and Mike Tyson trying to overturn
the knockout in Tokyo. But another interesting

837
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,480
point I didn't know this till I
had read up on it, was they

838
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:50,840
believe that Don King, and they
were able to prove it was in breach

839
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,159
of the contract with Buster Douglas because
he had not given him enough fights over

840
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:58,559
the course of a two year period. Douglas was supposed to have fought five

841
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,760
times. And this is back in
the day when Buster Douglass wasn't making a

842
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,280
bunch of money. And so his
contention was, what contract do we have

843
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,320
if I have a deal for five
fights? And I think the Tyson fight

844
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,280
was only the second fight out the
out of the deal, all right,

845
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,840
So they sued, They haggled back
and forth, and you always love the

846
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,719
specific details because I'm looking at this
right now. Here's what got worked out.

847
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,679
A few million dollars gets thrown around
for everybody on this. Don King

848
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:29,440
ended up getting step aside money to
not be able to promote the Douglas holy

849
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Field fight in this instance, and
I think he got four million. Donald

850
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:38,280
Trump had put up money for the
rematch of Tyson and Douglas, and so

851
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:43,400
he was given two million in this
instance, and that came out of a

852
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,960
sixty six zero million dollar deal that
Steve Winn had done with Buster Douglass.

853
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,000
He shaved off much like Rayfield he
shaved off. He shaved off six million

854
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:58,079
dollars off his sixty million to fight
Evander Holyfield. And he didn't even have

855
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,360
two fights. He only had the
fight. They had to fight at the

856
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Mirage, which was a big deal
back then. It was kind of a

857
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,159
new place. They were trying to
bring attention to the Mirage in Vegas.

858
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,559
The Mirage was actually the promoter of
the fight. This was back when hotels

859
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,320
and resorts were acted as promoters.
Now Main Events was involved to a degree

860
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,000
because they had Holyfield as the challenger
and that was their longtime promoter, and

861
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,559
they obviously had done many fights in
Las Vegas. But the Mirage really was

862
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:27,079
the company that put it on.
And you mentioned about the money that Steve

863
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,280
Winn put up. I didn't remember
that amount of money. But the bottom

864
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:34,039
line was, even though it was
a historical fight and Buster got laid out

865
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,840
and Evander became the undisputed heavyweight champion
of the world. Remember he had been

866
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,159
the undisputed cruiserweight champion. But unlike
an Alexander Usak, who's we had like

867
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,079
want what two fights at heavyweight,
denfaw for the title. There's other kruserweights

868
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,480
that have gone immediately had gotten a
chance to fight for a title. Evander

869
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,639
when he went from cruiserweight to heavyweight, had like six fights at heavyweight before

870
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:58,559
he got the opportunity. He was
there as Tyson's mandatory. He was supposed

871
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,039
to fight. Tyson obviously got knocked
out by Buster. So it was within

872
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:05,320
boxing and within the fans it was
a little bit of a letdown because everybody

873
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,480
had anticipated seeing Tyson against Evander,
and instead they got him against the Buster,

874
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,519
who obviously had scored the Humong's upset, and so that's what happened.

875
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,679
But the fight itself, because it
wasn't the sexy match above Tyson and when

876
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,159
wanted to bring attention to this grand
new facility that he had had built in

877
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:29,760
the Mirage, took a fucking bath. Lost millions and millions and millions.

878
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,199
I mean, the pay per view
did well, but not at the level

879
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:36,719
that anybody thought it would. And
it was a gigantic boondoggle, and they

880
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,800
he got crushed financially on this particular
deal, and it wasn't a good fight

881
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,800
and Buster Douglas, you know,
it wasn't even like the kind of loss

882
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,920
where you could like, you know, they put up a great fight and

883
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,320
everyone wants to see a rematch or
see him against somebody else. He went

884
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,960
out so meekly, that Buster,
you know, after that was over,

885
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,920
you know, he basically wasn't you
know. He took his gigantic amount of

886
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,199
money that he earned from his cut
of that that gigantic deal, and he

887
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,559
didn't fight again for years. I
mean, he he that was nineteen ninety

888
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,320
he got knocked out. Everybody thought
he was done forever. He did make

889
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,719
a comeback in ninety six and had
several fights after that, but he was

890
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,719
coming off a six year layoff.
So that fight essentially ended the real part

891
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,639
of Buster's career. One more interesting
thing, and you know that I love

892
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,840
to go deep in the weeds on
the nostalgia, just like you do when

893
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:28,199
you go back to the aftermath.
In the hours after the upset of Tyson

894
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:35,840
in Tokyo, Jim Johnson is on
those interviews saying We're gonna fight at vander

895
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,920
Holyfield next. They already had the
deal. They they were already saying there

896
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:46,639
will not be a rematch with uh
And by the way, when when win

897
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,239
won the purspit, it was one
of the biggest purs bids in the history

898
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,880
of purspins. I mean, well, King's contention. King's contention was that

899
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,519
he had a two fight deal and
there was gonna be an automatic rematch for

900
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,760
Tyson. But it's John Johnson.
Excuse me, I can't speak. John

901
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,400
Johnson was saying after that fight,
We're gonna He's saying it in the botwels

902
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,880
of the Tokyo Dome, We're gonna
fight Commanded Holyfield next. I find that

903
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,039
fascinating. But this is the thing
about it was, Remember we talked about

904
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:15,159
Remember what was the gigantic purspid when
the purspit for Tyson Fury? What was

905
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:19,320
that fight where they where they bid
some like astronomical amount of money in one

906
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,920
it was it was Fury and Dillion
Why Dillion White? And it was forty

907
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,719
plus million dollars right, oh,
by Frank One. That was the biggest

908
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:29,320
perspid win ever. But for many, many, many years, the largest

909
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,199
perspit in the history of boxing.
Now, perspits have not always been around.

910
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:37,159
It's more of a more modern thing
since the advent of the more modern

911
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,480
days of the sanction bodies. But
at the time this fight was the mandatory

912
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,760
between Buster and Evander that we're talking
about. It went to a purspit and

913
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,639
the Mirage Casino. Again, I
told you they were the promoter of the

914
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:52,519
fight. They won the PERSPID for
thirty two million, one hundred dollars and

915
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,679
they beat a per Spid. That's
the biggest person of all time. The

916
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,679
losing Perspid was the It was the
second biggest person off of all time,

917
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,039
and that was put up by Main
Events, which was a Vanders promoter.

918
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,800
They bid twenty nine point one million
dollars on the fight. That's how big

919
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,960
of a deal this was. You
don't see purse bits for that gigantic money

920
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,039
these days. You might see,
Yeah, we all flipped out when Triller

921
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,280
won the purse bit for tia Fimo
against Cambosis for like six million or whatever.

922
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:23,760
This is thirty two million, and
this is in money thirty years ago,

923
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,199
third nineteen nineties money, nineteen ninety
money. Yeah, huge, And

924
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,960
again it one more part of this. It ended Don King's stranglehold on the

925
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,679
heavyweight division. And that's and that
means two things. Number One Mike Tyson

926
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:42,599
ended up being in prison anyway,
but for years and years he no longer

927
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,840
could promote the World Heavyweight title fights
because he didn't have the rights. When

928
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,679
all of this worked out, because
in that settlement that I was referencing,

929
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:55,679
King was supposed to be able to
promote Douglas Tyson in the event that Douglas

930
00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:00,440
beat holy Field, he didn't have
a contingency I holy Field won, and

931
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,960
Holyfield won the fight and all the
other thing. So the transfer of the

932
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,639
title, notwithstanding, anytime you have
a transfer of the heavyweight title, one

933
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,159
of the biggest parts of it.
It's not only for the athlete that wins

934
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,960
the fight and wins the title.
It's the business that goes with it.

935
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,239
So in this particular case, you
had a changing of the guard. So

936
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,000
Douglas was like the you know,
he was a brief sort of placeholder champion

937
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,519
for our very brief time host.
You know, he beat Tyson and then

938
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:30,760
lost to Holyfield, and what that
did was totally change the landscape because once

939
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,079
a Vander was the winner, and
now he's the champion and Main Events is

940
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:37,920
running the show. They took him
to HBO and that began a long run

941
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,440
of his fights on HBO, so
Showtime, which had been you know,

942
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:45,280
heavily involved with King and and all
that they thought they were going to be

943
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,280
back in business doing heavyweight fights.
They did the one fight that you know,

944
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,840
and now because Tyson previously had been
on HBO. But now here you

945
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,400
go with Vanders now champion, he
goes and he has a series of fights

946
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:58,159
with them. He does the George
Foreman fight, which we talked about as

947
00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:00,480
the advent of modern pay per view, which in this fight that sid did

948
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,000
one point four million buys in a
day and age when there was maybe what

949
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:12,280
ten million convertible homes in America in
terms of pay per view of being plugged

950
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,920
in for pay per view with your
box. Then he had you know,

951
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,559
several other fights in HBO, Bert
Cooper, Larry Holmes then came to the

952
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:21,719
Ridding Bow fight and you know an
in between fight, then the Michael Moore

953
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,960
fight or the other Bow fight,
the second one Michael Moore. Anyway,

954
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:29,760
the point is it changed the landscape
of the business because it kept HBO as

955
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,440
the ruler of the heavyweight division because
of a Vander and it was all because

956
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:37,960
he knocked out Busser with that gigantic
shot after he leaned in with that uppercut

957
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:42,599
from eight miles away and got countered
until he was knocked out. I still

958
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,199
keep saying this to you in so
many different ways. I still don't want

959
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:50,119
to accept that was thirty three years
ago, on October twenty fifth, nineteen

960
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:53,920
ninety. It was for holy Field's
booming right was I was twenty and I

961
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:58,039
was as well. You and I
are contemporaries. Some are older than us,

962
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,800
some are younger than us. But
that's that's one of those moments.

963
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,760
If you've seen the video of that
fight, one of the sort of images

964
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,480
that you know there are certain and
this is not just about boxing. You

965
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,639
could talk about your any kind of
big, famous event that's happened in your

966
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:14,679
life, but in terms of boxing
specifically, when I think about like the

967
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,119
image, I think about Tyson like
looking for his mouthpiece on the canvas when

968
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:23,239
Buster knocked him out. I think
about when when Lennox Lewis regained the heavyweight

969
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:27,719
title and Hassim Rockman is laying in
the middle of the ring and his head

970
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,079
is on the Don King Crown logo. Where you think about, you know,

971
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:36,360
Richard Steele stopping the Chavez Meldrick Taylor
fight, waving his arms and the

972
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,639
look on Meldrick Taylor's face like those
those images. One of the images I

973
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:45,599
also think about in boxing is Busser
Douglas, as you mentioned, laying on

974
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:50,000
the canvas rubbing his nose as referee
is counting him out and he's losing the

975
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,599
heavyweight championship. He's looking up and
he's not getting up. He did not

976
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:58,760
get up. And the myth,
well, the lore, the brief comet

977
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,199
existence Buster Douglas was over with in
the next fight eight months later. I

978
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,440
mean, we can't convey enough when
we got a guyut of here, We

979
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,719
can't can't convey enough how massive the
upset was of Tyson. And this is

980
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,519
the guy that upset Tyson, and
he's fighting an Olympic guy, an unbeaten

981
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:19,000
guy who's moving up to heavy.
There was great intrigue in this and boom

982
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:22,320
goes the Dynamite ended it thirty three
years ago, October twenty fifth, nineteen

983
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:29,119
ninety. With that, there is
a Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast off of

984
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,239
this weekend, including good stuff with
Amanda Serrano who will be in action on

985
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:37,840
Friday, Rayphael. It's Tyson Fury, Francis and Ganu. Week we are

986
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,599
ready to see whatever this is going
to be. The WBC and as you

987
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:45,800
like to point out, lineal heavyweight
champion fighting in Ghanu, the former UFC

988
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,719
heavyweight champion, who again, I
keep talking to UFC peeps and they're like,

989
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,039
this guy was washed a couple of
years ago. I don't know why

990
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:54,320
you boxing people care this guy was
watched a couple of years ago. I

991
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,800
mean, we're about to see,
We'll see. I don't know if boxing

992
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:04,159
people quote unquote. I think it's
more because it's Tyson Fury and whenever he

993
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,800
gets in the ring of commands attention. But I mean most people are not

994
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,039
that interested in it. It becomes
a little more interesting because he has the

995
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:15,400
Usik fight signed. So if he
didn't have the Usik fight signed, it

996
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,920
would be sort of like who cares? But now the idea is, Okay,

997
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,119
how quickly can he get rid of
and Ganu so he does not in

998
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:25,679
any way jeopardize via injury or some
other reason the fight against Usik, which

999
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,559
is supposed to be the next fight, perhaps as soon as December twenty third,

1000
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,639
which I'll believe that when I see
it I've keep thinking about one scenario,

1001
01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:37,280
which we'll talk about more when we
preview it next week or on Friday

1002
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:43,280
rather, and that is in the
lunatic possibility of if Tyson Fury should lose

1003
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,559
to France's Naganhu, that he would
still be the WBC heavyweight champion, because

1004
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,679
this is not a twelve round sanctioned
heavyweight championship right or that belt. But

1005
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,760
if Naganu wins, he would be
the lineal heavyweight champion, which is not

1006
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,559
reliant upon a belt or about a
number of round scheduled. It's a matter

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of a man who beat the man
who beat the man, and if he

1008
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were to defeat Tyson Fury, he
would be the man who defeated Tyson Fury,

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who defeated Vladimir or you know,
who defeated Ladimir Klitsko, who everybody

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coalesced around for a long period of
time because he was the dominating figure for

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a decade in the heavyweight division and
beat everybody other than his brother, who

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was retired for four years and obviously
was not going to fight the brother.

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The point is that would be an
unprecedented situation where the heavyweight champion lineal title

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changed his hands but the other guy
still has the sanctioning body title. I'm

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glad you covered that contingency on the
realism meter, not really registering. We'll

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sing, yeah, but I understand
it could I can only talk about it

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like this, But tumplified happens if
he doesn't lose. I just find the

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whole thing amazing. And I love
your man, Bert Randolph Sugar. He

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had the line with me too.
Aliens could land on my front lawn,

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young man in about five minutes,
doesn't mean it's going to happen, he

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would say that to me. So
there you go. That's the fight for

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later this week. Again, good
stuff with a man Serrano. We gave

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you a full recap. We gave
you some news and some nostalgia. Dan

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rayphiel As always, thank you for
the time here. We want them to

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star review. We love that as
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with a preview usually on Friday mornings. We're here as best we can to

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the Fight Freaks Unite recap