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special guest for the evening again. He hails from the Pacific Northwest and he
is Adrian. Adrian, thank you so much for reaching out and joining us
tonight. Ay, George, thanks for having Yeah, it's it's it's a
pleasure to have you and you've reached out I guess a little over a month
ago, and you know, we talked a little bit before the program.
I think some of the you've been kind of going down the rabbit holes for
I guess about seven or eight years now, and I think your story resonates
with a lot of people with nine to eleven. But one of them that
I don't hear too much that we discussed before the program was the deceptions of
Princess Diana, And if folks haven't really gone down that rabbit hole, I
think they'd be very interested with some information in that. But before we get
started, you know, give us a moment and introduce yourself to our listeners.
Yeah, so my name is Adrian from Seattle area. I grew up
here originally from California. My family moved up here when I was young,
and it was originally where my dad's from, so he kind of had a
tie here brought us up here. But yeah, he was the one that
actually kind of got me into the whole conspiratorial mindset. I guess you could
say. We started watching stuff like Ancient Aliens and all kinds of like documentaries
and a History channel stuff like that. He told me about his days when
he was in the Marines and when he was younger living up in the Salmon
Islands. He said that when he was younger, he actually had a UFO
sighting. Um, I mean I when I was younger, I just kind
of brushed it off like it wasn't really anything. But you know, over
time, you know, I mean, all that stuff began to kind of
come together as something that I wanted to look into myself. But yeah,
I mean, I think, but really kind of kicked off my journey was
probably around twenty fifteen when my dad passed. He had cancer and it was
a little bit too late by the time he caught it, and I kind
of spent as many days as I could with him, almost every other day
during that one year battle. Um, it's pretty tough to watch, you
know, somebody so strong kind of get taken down like that. But it
just kind of gave me time with him to kind of speak with him in
a way where I don't think I ever did throughout my life. Kind of
made me appreciate my kids a lot more and kind of I think what really
kind of pushed me into the conspiracy stuff was just one to know the truth
of things and having kids kind of gave me this more of a I guess
you could call it a stake in the future and kind of wanted to,
you know, know more about the world that my kids are going to be
growing up in and becoming a part of, you know, because they kids
are the future and you know, this is the world they're going to inherit
um. Yeah, that's yeah, I think go ahead. I'm sorry,
God, no, no, I was just gonna say that's I think that's
the mantra for a lot of people in the truth community is once you realize
how corrupt the system is in the world we live in, it motivates us
even more to get to the bottom of the truth and shine the light on
things and try to tell others, hey, you know you're being lied to
and this isn't like the greatest system how things are set up and um and
things of that nature. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I mean it's it's
it's weird kind of talking to my kids about it. I Mean, I
have a couple of kids that are young teenagers and they're kind of you know,
they're very smart kids, and you know, they don't they don't miss
much. They pretty much are not necessarily on board with everything that I'm thinking
of. But they're very open minded. M they question everything that they learn
in school, and you know, they kind of they understand that the public
school systems kind of you know, it's just an indoctrination system, and you
know, and I don't blame them for not wanting to go to school,
especially with all the shootings and all the stuff going on these days. I
mean, they're kind of pushing me to do a homeschooling and I've been considering
it. I just I'm not exactly sure how it at all will work.
I mean, and I know it's very different. There's a lot of curriculum
that you know, is involved with it that it would be kind of an
extra job here at home. Yeah, but I mean I do try to
teach them everything that I do know because I always tell them, I start
off every morning, I'll send them a text while I'm at work. I'll
start their day with some inspirational quote or picture or something that I find,
you know, just to kind of so when they wake up in the morning
they got some positive to start their day. But yeah, I mean,
they're they're they're kind of looking at the world with we're very open and discerning
eyes. That's for sure. That's great. And I know I actually interviewed
someone the other day from the from Washington and they said it is one of
those states where they make it a little more difficult. I think he had
mentioned that you actually have to petition to the state and justify why you want
a home school, which you know, you think about everything our country is
supposed to stand for. That the otter thought of that is kind of ridiculous.
It's you know, we mentioned often that, Um, it's it's it's
important, and it's awesome. The way that you run things and challenging them
and giving them inspirational quotes. That's that's fantastic and that's something that I should
start doing myself. But um, you know, molding children's minds and it's
it's it's just very interesting how slowly and surely the state is trying to take
control of everything and they want you to ask permission to do things like educate
your child. It's just bizarro world, isn't it. Yeah, it's crazy.
We got to ask permission for everything. I mean, you got to
ask permission to go fishing and to you know, drive our cars and everything.
I mean, it's it's pretty crazy, you know. I just I
never really paid attention to the stuff. And then, um, I know
my dad would kind of talk about things in that manner, but I never
really kind of thought about it. I guess being a kid, I didn't
really think of the whole adult responsibility and kind of world, and it was
just kind of you know, obviously, they don't teach you any of the
important stuff in school growing up, so I mean it's just a lot of
stuff. You know, like most people kind of learn all the important things
in life, you know, once they're out of high school and trying to
navigate the world. But that's why I'm trying to give my kids the proper
you know, resources in mindset, you know, early on. That way,
they can think about life a little bit more of a headstart, I
guess than I had. Um. Yeah, I mean in plus, my
my my family growing up, I mean, we grew up completely you know,
atheist, never went to church or anything like that, you know.
My my in particular, I would say a couple of people in my immediate
family are very very left leaning, and I mean regardless of political stuff.
It's just it's just crazy to me to kind of associate and I you know,
keep that ideology, you know, with a particular political parties just you
know, bizarre to me. Uh, you know, just to be open
minded. I think I think the majority of people are just either just left
or just right of center. And uh, but you know, the extremes
can get pretty crazy, especially up here in Seattle area. I mean I
would consider Washington State more so like a blue city in a red state.
I mean it's it's it's a definitely different up here, that's for sure.
Yeah. And I think that goes just uh for for a lot of states.
Here in Delaware, we have two cities, Wilmington and Dover, that
are I guess you would call blue. But I mean everybody in the two
counties, uh, you know, south of there, we're all uh you
know, it's it's rural. We're all chicken farmers and and so on and
so forth. And you know, I was that guy too. I was
on the Trump train and we were going to arrest Hillary. And it is
very Sometimes politics can be very um, I don't know what the word is,
but you know you can get all caught up in it. It's very
divisive, which is you know what at the end of the day. That's
what it's all about. I mean, three hundred and thirty million people,
two parties, and even on social media, if I comment on something,
they automatically assume I'm a I'm a card carrying Republican and I've become just completely
a political and I just don't even bother to vote anymore because it's just another
scam and I don't approve of the current system and I don't I just don't
want to be a part of it. And it's just funny how people assume,
well, if you're if you're not with us, and then you must
be with them, And that's completely goes to prove how how brainwashed and how
indoctrinated and how honestly, I guess you got to give credit where credit is
due. They've perfected this system and they got everybody hook line and sinker,
right, Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean it's crazy too that
you mentioned that the whole non voting. I don't think I voted since uh
was a bush and carry, I mean, and that was I remember going
to the polls with my dad and I remember him kind of leaning over to
me and he's like, who are you voting for? And Uh. I
just was like, I have no idea. I mean I was I think
at the time, maybe I'd just turned eighteen, and uh, I mean
I didn't look into this stuff at that time. I mean I wish I
did. UM. And one of the craziest things too about that time,
that's something that really stuck out to me was, Um, John Kerry was
in Antarctica, right. That was that was very very weird. I mean
at that time I didn't even pay attention to Antarctica at all, and that
just kind of like highlighted for me, like kind of brought that to the
forefront, like what is it with Antarctica? Um, But yeah, Antarctica.
I think for me, UM, it's like top three like most important
things I think when it comes to flat Earth, especially like I would say
Antarctica, UM, in the North Pole, Um, those those to me
are the most intriguing. UM. Especially the way the kind of you know
paradigm of flat Earth, how it changes everything and everything just kind of being
drawn to the center and then having you know, South being in every direction
out word. UM. I felt like you know, just every like sci
fi movie or any movie in particular, you know that kind of depicted outer
space. It just kind of like it totally changed it to where your mindset
goes towards like distant lands. And I mean that could even open up a
whole genre of whole new sci fi movies, right, But yeah, I
just you know, I thought about that stuff at the time as far as
Anartica, how it was like somewhere that we've rarely you know, rarely you
know, explored, And uh, it's just been the biggest mystery for me
for for a long time, since I was young. Yeah, and I
don't think it's a coincidence that they keep it off limits to keep us away.
And it's not like we could um ourselves, you know, be able
to put something together. But obviously, um we could in this day and
age with technology, we could get a group of people together and fish our
money together and go down there and make things happen. But once again,
and it's funny when you look at the Antarctica Treaty, all these countries that
were supposedly at or and can't stand Russia, China, we're all, we're
all okay with space and Antarctica, but everything else we're we're fighting about,
right, Yeah, I know. And then that map too, like the
the un map. I mean, it's just it's just in plain sight.
I mean, there's I mean, when I first started getting going down the
flighter and stuff, obviously it was kind of like, you know, it
was one of those things where it's just already ingreened in your mind, where
it's just the stupid thing that's been kind of pushed to make it seem like
it's just you know, just dismissive, like like, oh, that's already
been you know proven. You know that's stupid, that's old um. But
you know, obviously, you know, going down that that rabbit hole,
when you first get into it, you know, you started learning more and
more were about it, and it just kind of opens your mind to like
the possibility. And then once you start learning some of the facts that totally
disprove you know, the whole globe model, just you know, it's very
mind blowing, very very eye opening changes everything. I mean, I mean,
and not to say that we have any real concrete evidence of exactly what
it looks like, but I mean there's so many facts and red flags that
just point to that this is a much more probable, you know, explanation
for things. I mean, the nasaid deception and all the globe stuff is
just so you know, it's so it's so fake. It's so obvious now
that like it's hard to like even realize how how you know, convinced you
know, everybody was. Um It's it's weird too, because I think that
COVID definitely kickstarted that, you know a lot of a lot of people kind
of like had time to sit and think, you know, instead of going
to the daily grind and work and everything, and it gave people a chance
to kind of actually, you know, ponder things. And I think that
helped a lot, you know, with the whole mass awakening, because I
mean I've seen so many people come to the same conclusion that I have,
and you know, obviously a lot of people just kind of keep it themselves.
I know I did it at first, like I wanted to kind of
bring it up to like some of my family, and then you know,
obviously I was getting kind of shot down by them just with the way that
they think about a lot of things. Um, So I just kind of
kept it into myself for a long time. And then you know, I
found some friends here and there that were pretty open to it, and then
some friends have just kind of like looked at me crazy. I mean even
my family too, Like my wife, you know, at first was like
what the hell are you talking about? You know, and then I care
to show her some stuff, and then you know, she was considering it.
And then, uh, you know, I kind of told her because
she grew up religious, and I kind of told her about like the kind
of ties with you know, religion and everything and um. And then once
I showed her like the uh Sean Hilder films, I mean that totally just
you know, obviously pushed over the edge. I mean, there's no denying
it. I mean I got he's put out some great films, and um,
you know that that's just you know, I look forward to each one
that he puts out, you know, every episode that you put out.
I mean I think a lot A lot of the time I spend um researching
and stuff. I'm mostly just while I'm at work, I got my headphones
in, I'm listening to my podcast. I listened all years, um like
Tinfoil Hat, Mark Steves, My family thinks some crazy legit BA one on
one great deception John Monday. And then as soon as I came across like
Dave white Stuff. I mean, man, I was searching his name and
I listened to probably like every single episode I could find that had him on
it. Um. But yeah, I mean it's just it's it's it's no,
there's no going back back. I mean, once you see the truth
is just like a white switch was like flipped on a dark room than you
really see it. Yeah, there is no going back. And it completely
changes. That's the incredible thing. It really changes the way you live.
And for me, it was a matter of changing priorities. I had mentioned
before, I was a big sports fan. After a waking up, sports
fell to the bottom. I could care less about sports. And I'm not
saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying how it affected me.
But you're right, you see everything differently. When you're watching a movie,
you're busy looking at the background, You're like, hey, look there's a
thirty three, Look there's a globe. It just changes everything, how you
act, how you think. A couple of things I want to go back
and touch on before we go a little more forward, is you know,
for all the folks who are still, you know, invested in politics,
if you and I'm so glad you mentioned this because I have at my other
podcast, I'm going to be doing an episode on this Gentleman very soon.
That two thousand and four election was the epitome of of making people believe that
you have a choice. Because both John Kerry and George Bush we're Skull and
Bone members. So again, it's it's them wanting you to think that you
have a choice. It's them wanting you to think that. These guys can't
stand each other, and you know, they're on different spectrums of of ideology,
and the fact that the matter is, uh, those guys are two
peas in the pods. They're Luciferians, and they do not have our best
interest at heart. So and even casting a vote for quote, the lesser
evil doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And
that whole the Skull and Bones stuff. I mean, listening to Mark on
his podcast and it's just, you know, I never knew about any of
this stuff. And then I mean it's just everything kind of all correlates,
and you know, it's just very very eye opening to kind of to see
it all connect. I mean, the dogs are not so much connecting.
They're like right next to each other m R. Yeah, I mean I
think that that's like one of my one of my favorite ones listened to.
I know, he just recently had a Sean Hitler on there as well as
uh tinfall had they both had had him on there, and just you know,
I know that they've been kind of a skeptical of you know, the
whole flatter stuff, but you know, once he came on, you could
tell that their their minds were definitely changing on it um and that's like,
it's it's cool here because you know, those are obviously two very big podcasts
in the conspiracy of the World, and you know, for them to kind
of consider it, it's gonna make a out more people because there's people out
there that will consider all kinds of wild conspiracies, but you know, when
it comes to flat to Earth, it's like they won't touch it. And
it's just it's crazy to me considering how much you know, information there is
available for it and how Yeah, there's literally people out there and I'm not
again I'm not judging people, but there's people who believe that birds are fake,
they're they're cia drones, but that they won't even even take a second
to look at the fact that maybe, just maybe heliocentrism is a lie.
And I'm glad to see the bigger podcasters like them at least, you know,
at least putting it in the back of their mind, because that is
still a stigma within the truth community. And I think again, if you're
a truther and you say, hey, question everything except the fact that we're
on a ball spinning at a thousand miles an hour, you know, hurtling
through space at twenty three point six, you know, you know all the
numbers and four and a half billion years just hurtling through space. But everything
else is a lie, um, you know. And I get the fact
how the programming works at something that's been at the forefront, Like the first
two things you're taught as a child is, you know, some guy comes
down from the North poland gives everybody presence on the twenty fourth and we're on
a ball and there's X amount of planets, and you know, most children
have either in their crib one of those things hanging above their crib with all
the planets, or they have that little planetarium with the lights shining on their
ceiling. I know my children did when they were growing up. So it's
it's really and again everything from TV to movies. UM. And I know
most of at least don On elementary school, almost every classroom we had had
had a globe in it. So it's very brilliant. Um the way that
they've used these Bernasian tactics to make us question everything except for that. Yeah,
yeah, I mean and definitely too. And and they the way they
make it too, Like the way they they kind of demonize certain things like
the whole word, you know, conspiracy theorists and flat earther and stuff.
They give it this negative connotation where, you know, you like makes people
don't even want to like, you know, consider it or associate themselves with
it, because then they would be like outcasted. And uh, you know,
it's just you know, I think that's kind of slowly deteriorating. It's
still pretty prevalent, but I mean I feel like it's getting chipped away right
now, just considering like how many people are questioning everything and wanting to know
the truth. And I mean how sloppy they've been getting with a lot of
the stuff. I mean, even though like the UFO stuff, the Blue
Beam stuff that's coming out, it's just it's so they're just they seem like
they're letting their guard down and they're just you know, not doing a very
good job of hiding the truth. I mean, not that they ever did,
really. I mean, they kind of just push it out there in
our faces. But I mean it seems like lately it's just been like this
clown show and uh, you know, it's just helping helping people wake up,
I think. I mean, I know that one of the things that
would probably really really you know, kind of break their their mold would be
like bringing back airships and the dirigibles. I mean, if we had that
ability to travel long distances on very little fuel and you know, be able
to go, hope, as high as we can like that. I mean
I feel like that would that would probably be one of the major or major
milestones for like the whole flat Earth movement. It's just being able to have
those back. Yeah, you know what they would do, They would uh
you'd have to have a ten thousand dollars to pay for the license for that.
They would make it so inconvenient for us, you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I mean I can see I can see
them doing anything and everything to make that as hard as possible. But it's
interesting, you're not the first person who's mentioned that there's a lot of people
out there that said, let's bring back these these airships, these Zeppelin's right,
and let us travel if you're going to make us, you know,
be accountable for paying for a license, for paying for insurances and taxes and
tolls and everything else. You know that there's a lot of people like,
well, we'll just do our own transportation. And there's companies. I'm sure,
even if you know you can't afford it privately, I'm sure there's companies
out there in a heartbeat. Who would you know, startups that would have
your own just like an airport's right, Yeah, and it would be so
much cheaper because you're not paying for all the fuel and um yeah, it's
it's funny how everything it is controlled by them, including our travels. Um.
Yeah. So I think probably one of the one one of the movies
that I remember as a kid, um that I just remember it being just
the movie I watched, um and never really thought about like that until I
started looking into the stuff, and then all of a sudden it would just
came right back to me. It is like and the most obvious thing.
There's a movie called Baron Munchhausen and uh, it's it's basically I'm trying to
remember like the one big name in it. I think it is Robin Williams
and he's the King of the Moon. Um. And there's a scene where
they pull up an airship they fill up basically a hot air balloon that's made
out of like all the like the undergarments from like the eighteen hundreds, like
you know, the women would wear, and they go up and uh,
it's basically carrying what looks to be like kind of like a pirate ship.
And then um, there's a scene where they they're like it's like stormy and
then they crash through what I would you know, as soon as the firmament.
And then the next thing, you know is they make it to the
moon and the scene is like the boat and all of a sudden it's just
kind of coasting through water and sand and uh, and then it just kind
of banks onto the shore and then it kind of goes from there. And
there's a lot of weird little things here and there in it that are kind
of a cult and tie you into like a lot of weird stuff. Um,
but yeah, it's definitely want to check out It's it's a little out
there, um, but there's all kinds of stuff in it that just you
know, it's it's pretty cool when you when you look at it with different
eyes like that, I guess. I mean, I watch all kinds of
movies and cartoons and stuff nowadays, like with you know, completely new eyes
and look for different things. You know, I've never heard of that movie
and I'm looking at it now. This was I guess what eighty eight Robin
Williams even Uma Thurman, this would have been one of I guess, one
of her earliest roles. Eric Idolas. My goodness, I don't I think
I've ever seen this movie. And it was one of the biggest I guess
according to this it was one of the biggest box office bombs ever. It
cost about I guess forty five million to make and it only made about eight
but still wants some words for go ahead, Well now you're good cool.
I mean, it's just one I remember from my childhood. Um, it's
just one of those kind of obscure movies. The visual effects and the acting
is kind of wild, but it's definitely one to check out to look for
those little Easter eggs, that's for sure. That's so cool. I'll definitely
check that out. Um. I wanted to kind of segue, and you
had mentioned earlier I think that story also resonates with a lot of people.
You know, when COVID you know, kicked off in March, Um,
some people had an extra two or three hours a day on their hand because
they didn't have to get up, you know, get dressed, getting the
car, drive to work and a vice versa. Um, So people were
finding more time on their hands, and I've said at nauseum that they overplayed
their hand with COVID. How did that affect you and your family and was
that a part of your awakening as well? Yeah, yeah, it definitely
was, because I mean it gave me time that I didn't have before,
and you know, it was it was kind of weird because it was very
like kind of nerve wracking at first, because so you know, I grew
up in my family business. When we do we work with our hands,
where you know, we do furniture and stuff, and we had a family
business for thirty years or thirty something years, and we just actually had closed
down our shop and sold it the business to another company here, and when
we closed down, they hired is On and literally a month after we were
hired on, the lockdown happened. And uh, I mean it's just it's
just no telling how things could have gone, you know, with our family
business, you know, with the lockdown and then shutting down businesses. I
mean, I mean, obviously it would have been deemed non essential, but
yeah, it was. It gave me some time to kind of, uh
you know, be to myself and my phone thoughts and uh, you know,
and I mean I've always kind of had that though, being able to
work with my hands like that, I just have my headphones in, I
mean, listening to all kinds of different podcasts. I listened to The Facts
Hunter long before I found this one, and uh, you know, just
just tons of them. I would listen to probably like at least like seven
or eight a day, just learning about all kinds of different stuff because I
was totally into like all the old world stuff too. Um. But yeah,
just having that time to kind of like you know, think about things
and pay attention to the natural world. I know they try to scare people
to keep people inside, but I still want to go out inside anyways.
I mean I was just kind of look outside, see you know what his
outside, and I'd be like, come on, you guys, and just
bring kids and you just go outside and ride ther bikes and you know,
just just couldn't stay cooped up in the house. I mean, I know
a lot of people are kind of scared and wanted to stay inside, but
I just I couldn't do it. But yeah, it's just, uh,
it kind of sparked off like a new kind of chapter in my life.
I guess I created my new business doing it. I mean I got slammed
work too. I mean I got people mailing me all kinds of stuff to
do because I mean I work on cars, and I had people sending me
their car parts from all over the country. And it just kind of kicked
off. I guess, like a lot of people are just stuck at home
board and buying stuff online and so it just it kind of floated us through.
Um. It was definitely a blessing to be able to have that.
I know, my my wife and kids, you know, they kind of
took that as an opportunity to kind of just you know, you know,
from the daily grind up, going to school and doing all that stuff,
you know, my wife picking up and dropping off our kids, and so
everybody was able to kind of put their hair down for a bit. But
yeah, I mean I think, like most people, people kind of got
stir crazy just sitting at home and want to get out. So you know,
I just I just made it a point to make sure these guys got
outside. That's awesome, Yeah, because a lot of you know, I
always say I feel bad for the children, especially, you know, the
class of twenty twenty who missed their prom and all of these things, and
just the constant fear porn that was put upon the American population, well the
global population really and now as as time passes by, you know, once
again conspiracy theorists or three hundred and thirty seven wins and zero losses over the
last several years. It's just, uh, it's kind of disappointing. Um.
I always ask anybody anytime I excuse me, any time I interviewed someone
from your area, I always like to ask this question because for me,
um, you know, I was here in the Mid Atlantic region, you
know, thirty five hundred miles away from where you are. What was that
summer of twenty twenty, like for you, because that that your region was
pretty busy, and I think that's where that whole little they created, that
city Chaz and everything else. And just with all the propaganda that was going
on, how did it affect not just your family, but your friends and
other family members you're you know, um, I think like people went like
very like kind of polar opposite of each other. Like either people just you
know took it wholeheartedly, you know, as far as what the government was
telling them and just went like doll massed up and hurried up and got the
job. And then many other people just you know, it's it's definitely not
what it was depicted in the NEOs um you know, Like I said,
it's like just kind of like the blue city in a red state. So
I mean, you know, it was like mainly all that stuff that you
saw that was crazy like in the news was mainly just downtown Seattle and that
whole Chaz thing. Man when that kicked off, I mean I had friends
that were walking by there, you know, going live on Facebook and you
know, kind of showing it what was really going on. I mean,
it was definitely one of those things where I felt like a lot of people
were kind of hoping for something like that to happen and necessarily like you know,
like the kind of like the people who frequent and fill up all the
tense cities around I felt like that was like one of the times where I
think they were kind of figuring that was their time to kind of make something
happen and take a stand. I mean, I know that they torched like
the police station. I mean, police weren't responding to anything. I mean,
it was pretty wild. It was like like purge. I mean the
I know a few people got pretty hurt. I want to say I remember
somebody being killed, but I don't think. I'm not sure. Honestly,
it's been I feel like it's been a while, Like it feels like a
whole nother lifetime. Honestly, yeah it doesn't it so recent. But yeah,
there's a lot of crazy stuff going on. I mean, I just
stayed out of downtown, no real reason to go down there. I mean,
I feel like most people around here don't really go to downtown anymore,
just because of how bad it's gotten. I mean even before covidum. But
yeah, Seattle has always been like a really cool place to go and check
out. But I mean it's it's just a very very different city now.
I mean it used to be a place where people were proud to say that
they are from and then now it's just like this dump and you know,
the laws and the people running it are just totally out of control. I
mean, I think the last good time I had in downtown Seattle she I
don't know. I mean, I want to say probably around when like the
Sonics were so in town. Wow, that's been a minute. Yeah,
that's uh, yeah, I was just there. Well, my buddy retired
from JBLM in twenty I guess it was twenty eighteen, and I went up
there and uh, you know, I got to see Tacoma and Mount Rainier.
It just it is a beautiful area. The weather's fantastic. It's nice
and cool, and I was living in Texas at the time, so I
was glad to get up there and away from the summer heat. But yeah,
it's it's interesting because I was a big Frasier fan, the TV show,
and I was always you know, I thought, you know, Seattle
was you know, just the most laid back and it's funny once again and
it was. I'm sure at the time it was great. I loved the
old Supersonic teams with Gary Camp and Debt Left, you know, all the
players they had back in the nineties, just the memories. And then you
know, you fast forward twenty twenty five years and it's just uh again,
it's it really appears that, you know, not just our federal government,
but many of the city and state governments have been hijacked by people who really
went to super progressive almost Marxist agenda pushed across and it was absolutely bizarro world,
you know, with people. I'll never forget the ladies, I guess
it was in Saint Louis and there was a building burning behind her, and
she's like mostly peaceful, pross most lets you say, mostly peaceful protests and
just I actually remember at night during that summer of twenty twenty, I would
turn on Broadcastify, which has all the police scanners, and I would,
you know, click on Seattle, and it was like Fort Apache the Bronx
with all the calls. Yeah, it's it's it's definitely changed so much.
I mean, you know, growing up here, I mean it's maybe I'm
I'm thinking of it from my generation, but it has always been pretty laid
back. I know, my generation was kind of one of more the kind
of nihilistic kind of mindset and just kind of didn't really care much about the
future. I mean, and I feel like that's what kind of changed for
me too, because I mean I could have gone down that same path,
but me having me my wife having kids early on, it just kind of
took me down a totally different path. And you know, but I definitely
had that whole kind of like nihilistic mindset of like, you know, there's
no future. You know, the city just kind of everybody had that weird,
like kind of anarchist mindset. U. I mean, it's it's you
go down there now and it's there's so many homeless that it's just it's consumed
the city. And then this is just nothing but all these people that are
just pushing all these laws to kind of enable them, and uh, and
then it's that's all you're left with. This is just this stark you know,
difference of like people who are very wealthy you can afford the four thousand
dollars a month one bedroom condo, and then homeless. I mean, there's
like real knowing between Yeah, and you really hit on something when you mentioned
you, you know, nihilistic, and I think it is kind of a
common theme for a lot of folks when we graduate high school and you know,
maybe between that eighteen to twenty five sweet spot there, I think a
lot of us do live for ourselves and live for the day. You know.
Obviously there's a lot of people who are much wiser than me who may
have had it down. But I think I was that person too, And
as we get older, we get wiser, not necessarily smarter, Like I
don't get smarter. I think I just get wiser because I I've made so
many mistakes in my life and that's kind of where wisdom comes from. But
yeah, you hit that right on the head. It's just you know,
I was that way in the eighties too, and it wasn't until I was
twenty five, twenty six when I started to really figure things out and realize
that, you know, I better be a little more concerned about tomorrow,
George, because I never worried about tomorrow, George. I let him deal
with the problems. So, yeah, you've hit all great points across the
board. I kind of want to talk a little bit about flat Earth and
where that fell in your journey and what was it that actually allowed you to
kind of lower your guard enough to even look into it. I think,
honestly, I feel like it was something that I came across on YouTube,
and I think that's kind of the theme with most people, because I mean,
at that point, I was already pretty open minded to things, but
even that I was still kind of like, nah, I was like,
this is stupid, you know. And then once I started, you know,
watching a couple of them just because out of curiosity, and I think,
I want to say, the first couple that I saw were like an
Eric Dubay one, and then I know, I did see that one that
was like a five hour long one. Actually just started watching that one,
believe it or not, Like after all these years, I just started watching
that one and I'm still like not even finished with it. I want to
say, I'm like maybe three hours into it. But that's that's a really
good one. I'm surprobably I can't believe I've you know, put that one
off for so long because I'm such a good one. But yeah, I
mean once I started looking into those more and more, it was like it
was all of a sudden like something happened where I just like I had to
know more like it was you know, I kind of got like a peak
into the truth and then you know, I had to see the whole picture,
and just I think the most fascinating thing about it that really kind of
resonated with me was the idea of distant lands rather than you know, instead
of looking up but looking out. And I mean that that just right there
just kind of makes a lot more sense and effect of you know, UFOs
or extraterrestrial contact and stuff. It would be a lot easier if you know,
they were more local. I mean, the whole idea is like you
know, light years away is just it's to most people, it's just so
like mind boggling that he can't even comprehend that. I mean, and I
think that's what's you know, so like easy for people to kind of just
be like, oh yeah, yeah, that's what it is, just because
they can't prove themselves. They know they can't prove it, and the majority
of more majority of people they just kind of offload their you know, research
and faith onto somebody else and they just take it as fact and they do
none of their own, um that's that's the most frustrating part I think to
me about the whole kind of paradigm of people who laugh at the whole flighter
stuff is just they don't even even have that ability to have mind and consider
things. Um. And the fact that they don't have any of the information
themselves. They're just taking you know, whatever somebody else said, um.
And that's that's that's like the biggest problem I think is that most people they
don't know, they don't even know their own model. They don't even look
into anything else, and they just assume, you know, whatever the higher
ups are saying that that's that's what it is. Yeah, and you made
a great point there, and you know, they don't know the numerales or
the numbers associated with whether it's how fast we're spinning this, you know,
how fast we're chasing the sun, so on and so forth, and but
they believe that we have a rover on Mars. And then if you were
to ask somebody, well, how far is Mars from us, they'd probably
say, oh, you know, one hundred thousand miles or five hundred thousand,
it's according to their numbers, not mine their numbers. It's almost two
hundred million miles away. So you're telling me when I'm anytime I drive through
the mountains of West Virginia, I lose satellite signal on my whether it's serious
radio or my tom Tom or whatever navigation. But we're we're getting these HD
images from two hundred million miles away. That's that is like next level cognitive
dissonance. Yeah, it really is. I just you know, they've been
nastazed. I mean that really should it's a little fine. Most people,
like I can't believe, you know that people really really really wouldn't acid puts
out as fact because it's just it's so obvious to see it. It's it's
so much easier to pick up on all these you know things, I mean,
especially looking way back to the landing stuff. I mean, it's it's
just ridiculous. There's no way that somebody, like if somebody will watch that
today for the very first time, they would laugh at it. I mean,
yeah, it's just crazy. Even my kids, you know, like
we'll watch like old movies. I'll try to show them movies from like the
nineties, you know, or from my childhood. Like just they just start
laughing when they see like the CGIs was available at the time. Yeah,
that's exactly right. And I always ask, when are we going to build
a memorial for the guy who stayed behind on the moon and filmed the lunar
lander taking off? Right? All right? Oh no, bro, it's
remote control. Okay, sure, whatever you say. Uh, you know,
in the seventies we could barely get a signal from Philadelphia to Wilmington,
Delaware, which was like thirty miles. But sure, okay, we were
having a great conversation with Nixon on a landline and everything else. It's just
obviously not a landline from the moon to the White House, but its just
all of it. And then one of the biggest just red flags was the
emotions of the astronauts in that press conference after they came back. Yeah,
yeah, I remember, I remember seeing it. Actually, I had never
seen that footage, um until you know, a couple of years ago.
And that was like a big part of it too. That was like,
I mean, how could they, you know, just go out there in
the public and just you know, spew this lie like that, you know,
and it's just so obvious you see it in their faces. And then
I mean even even to like you know, most recent times with like buzz
Aldrin and his encounters with people. I mean, it's just it's just all
you know, the circus from the government to NASA, it's all it's all
the same. Yeah, And like anyway, if if if you catch somebody
in a lie once, then you have to you know, hold everything else
at least at a minimum under a microscope. One of our listeners, her
name is Sarah. She sent me an article from June the ninth, and
this was one of those articles where they were able to cover two narratives in
one story. It says NASA's Apollo eleven moon quarantine was hiding a dangerous secret.
So the story was about their bravery and they had to be quarantined when
they came back from Mars just in case they brought this. There was a
deadly you know, pathogen on Mars and it's just an incredible I'm gonna read
it on the next email podcast we do. But I mean, you want
to talk about there's some guy deep in CIA headquarters writing this story about how
there's a very famous picture I think that the quarantine little tank everyone was called
the Hornet three and it has the presidential logo on it. Nixon is laughing.
Uh, it's just another ritual. Uh. It's just hilarious the way
when you look back, how we bought all these things wholesale. Yeah see,
and I never knew about that. I didn't even know about the Warren
team stuff like that. And that just goes to show too that, like,
you know, how how long have they've been planning a lot of these
agendas. I mean obviously, you know, easy for people they have.
They play the long game, I mean, and that's what they I feel
like they stir up a lot of fear and people and they have people thinking,
you know, in a scarcity mindset and that fearful mindset. And meanwhile
they're just kind of going slow and taking it easy, and the whole course
of their plan just kind of plays out over time. I mean, I
don't know, And it's just it's weird to think of time from from their
perspective, because I mean, for the most part, people are just so
caught up in their daily lives they don't think about, you know, that
far down the road. I mean, these these plans that they have in
place, they're just you know, they're they're not stupid, but they're not
that smart either, No, they're not. And I always point back to
that guy I can never remember his name, but the guy who says I'd
go back to the moon in a nanosecond if only we hadn't lost that technology.
And that is like if you want to talk about your your your silver
bullets. And and again, these things don't necessarily prove flat Earth, but
it's certainly discredits an agency who gets you know, billions of dollars every single
year to produce you know lies. Yeah, and that's what's crazy to me,
is like where does that money go? I mean, I can't remember
the guy's name from the next level um or I'm sorry, level with me
film that he does the uh what is this like a city council meeting?
I guess, oh yeah, yeah, yeah that I've played that before.
That guy spot on I think he's in Florida. Yeah, and he's like,
hey, what's our money going? You guys should open investigation, right,
I mean like we, I mean, as the public, we should
definitely be you know, we got a lot of money coming. I mean,
where's all of our tax money going to? I mean I can't imagine
how they could possibly spend that much money a day like on what. Yeah,
I mean that goes back to the problem we have in all these cities
with the homeless. Well, can we at least start there helping people out
a little bit? Yeah, but yeah, yeah, and like the veterans
too. I know my dad had a hard time with the VA. And
yeah, my dad did too, I mean, and my grandpa too.
I mean he was he was also a military guy, and he had issues
dealing with the VA. So I mean, there's all kinds of programs that
we could be using, you know, for people here instead of like thinking
about some fantasy land out in space. It's just mind blowing to think how
they kind of prioritize our money. Yeah. I caught it with an old
friend the other day and he asked me, jokingly, said, how did
the Iraqi street you? I said, better than the VA kind of dropped
his jaw. I didn't quite get it, but I mean that's anyway,
that's I guess another story for another day. How well, you know when
you finally accepted flat Earth and did you go kind of like many people,
did you go through that range of emotions or was it just kind of a
doesn't surprise me. They lie about everything else. Yeah, it was.
It was more so like um, it's like I want to say, it
was more positive than anything. Just I feel like my life definitely changed for
the better from that point on, just because my whole mindset of everything changed.
Just being able to kind of look at the world differently. You definitely
kind of appreciate the world a lot more, um like as far as nature
and just you know, my life in in you know particular as well,
just kind of being more appreciative of things and kind of having feeling like a
little bit more purpose, a little more meaning. Um. I mean,
obviously they kind of keep you in this that fear of mindset of you know,
like worse, we're just an accident and all that, and um,
the whole Big Bang theory and just evolution. I mean it's just ridiculous,
and you know, everything begins to make more sense. I mean, obviously
there's like different religions all throughout the world, and everybody has their their different
pathway in their different road to God in in their own own way. And
obviously being you know, America being having more like a Christian based kind of
theology. You know, I kind of looked into that a little bit more
just because it was the most familiar um. And you know, it's crazy
to me because obviously my wife kind of grew up religious, but you know,
it wasn't so much like she was religious as it was just kind of
something that was there and her childhood growing up. So if she didn't really
look into it a whole lot, just it was just something that was like
her parents like made her go to church on the weekends. But me having
looked into it and having researched it and and actually reading the Bible just out
of curiosity and you know, like just talking to it, you know,
I just you know, obviously we got those like the missionaries that go around
and stuff. And I had a conversation with a couple of kids then I
was, you know, I just asked them. I was like, you
know, have you read the Bible? And they're like, whoa, They're
like not all of it. And I'm just like thinking in my mind,
like how are you going around the world, you know and trying to like
kind of preach something that you don't even know about. And it was like
kind of mind blowing to me, and it kind of it just tripped me
out to think, like it's almost like you know, obviously, organized religion
has it's kind of benefits, but it's got a lot of weird deception in
it too, and that that's what kind of made me, you know,
want to look into things more on my own. I feel like I've always
kind of done better, you know, just kind of comprehending things on my
own rather than just having somebody tell me something. And yeah, it's just
you know, one of those things where like it definitely kind of put things
in perspective for me to make me realize that, Yeah, I feel like
there is God. Um, I mean obviously it just just by you know,
where we live and just how perfect this place is. I mean,
there's no way this is an accident. I mean, yeah, everything is
smartly connected and created and there's a rhyme and there's a reason for everything.
Even the things that that we're we're kind of led to believe are bad things
like nettle. Nettle is such healthy um uh sustenance to put in. Again,
I'm not a doctor guy, so make sure research is stuff. But
nettle is very healthy. Dandelions are very healthy, and they want you to
believe these things are weeds and they want you to spray with round up and
you know, all these products from Monsanto and all the bear these evil companies
that and again you look at the cancer rate in our country and all the
people who are sick between vaccines, um our food supply that is being poisoned.
Um, we're being you know, it's they're they're spraying the air.
It's it's it's an all out um war against us. There's these even some
countries right now that are having you know, some of their lowest birthrates.
And there's a lot of telling signs right now that these guys are really pushing
their you know, the first rule there on the Georgia guidestones is keeping humanity
at that number that they're just dying to get down to. It's it's really
insane. Yeah. Yeah, they poisoned us at every chance they can get.
I mean, I actually just seen a video recently about the whole McDonald's
fries and uh, they I guess the farmers that's it's a specific type of
potato because they want to make sure that they're long fries and in order to
keep them like all perfect looking on the outside, like, they spray the
certain these pesticides on them and the pesticides that they sprang on them are so
toxic that the farmers themselves won't even go out to the fields for like I
can't remember how many it's like days or weeks or something. Uh, you
know, just until it like kind of dissipates or whatever and it's safe to
go back out there. I mean, it's just crazy, like the stuff
that they've put in our food, they put in our air, I mean
everything. They're just trying to kill us slowly. I mean obviously they don't
want to just you know, kill us off immediately. They need us,
um you know, the world if they I mean, if the world came
to all a sudden halt, it wouldn't really benefit them. So they're just
kind of slowly keeping us down. And then like all the stuff that they
you know, bombards with and the air is just you know, it's so
obvious, all the kim trails and stuff. I mean, who knows what
they're spraying up there. But you know, I've been kind of like,
you know, learning about that stuff too. I had a friend of mine
he kept telling me, He's like, you know, we talked about the
Kim trails and stuff, and I was I was just kind of dismissed it
always like I was like, okay, whatever, that's just whatever's coming out
of the back of the airplane as it's moving along, you know. And
then I mean you look up there now and like you can see him,
like there's like it's not even just a streak. It'll be like it'll be
like criss crossing and like all kinds of crazy patterns and stuff. It's like
it's clearly like they're doing something intentionally. You know. Yeah, actual contrails
dissipate in a very short period of time. We've you know, we're not
far from Dover Air Force Space. We've had some days here where the sky
is just you know, they spray and then it spreads like it kind of
spreads up very wide. Um you kind of see the sky change colors and
um. Yeah, a huge difference between contrails and chem trails. You know.
Back in the fifties, you know, you you could see a plane,
you know, it's just like an exhaust pike with a car. But
it dissipates very quickly. You know. Some of these things stay up in
the sky for quite some time now. Yeah, yeah, And it's crazy
because I live not too far off from an airfield, and I mean,
I see a lot of air traffic, and you know, I'll look up
and I'll see planes is cruising by, no no contrail at all. And
then I'll look up and I'll see another one and is just leaving, you
know, this contrail just coming out of it. And then you know,
I'll see it there and come back hours later and it's still there and it's
just you know, hovering around, just you know, who knows what it
is. Yeah, you had mentioned about the you know, the folks,
the missionaries going around there. For folks who's listening, there are um some
pretty decent things on YouTube, like you can listen to the King James version
Bible and like one year they break it down into three hundred and sixty five
readings. And that is a little alarming where you have people that are supposedly
going around the world spreading the Gospel and they haven't read the whole Bible.
That that's that is interesting. And I did too. I had, like
I'm sure I had like a ton of questions to ask them, uh you
know, but at the time I was I was kind of more focused.
So I think it was because I had just listened to like an episode of
like Josh Monday where he's talking about the creation story and Genesis, and I
wanted to ask him about that, and I remember that was like my key
question that I wanted to talk to them about. And the only thing I
remember him saying was he goes, well, he don't take it literally.
And I was thinking that kind of blew my away, like, you know,
you're preaching in the Bible, but you're also telling people that it's just
you know, not to take it literally, like you know, is it
real or is it just you know, poems and parables. You know,
it's very hard to kind of discern what it is that they're kind of preaching,
you know, especially especially like religions, especially like newer ones like the
Mormon religion and other just new adaptations of Christianity. I mean, I guess
they all have their their own kind of you know, agendas that they are
looking to push, and I mean I think they kind of ties into with
like the early America, you know, just the American story of you know,
the wild West and everything. It just seems very kind of, you
know, far fetched now now that I look at it, like all that
stuff like wild West stuff just seems very kind of like out there. That
leads to another question. Have you ever gone down the old mud flood and
Tartaria and you know it is our history? Actually, really have you taken
a peek down that rabbit hole? Yeah? I have. I'm like,
actually, uh, you know that that was actually a big part of that
whole six hour long video as well. They touched a lot on that.
But I mean before even before that though, I had, you know,
learned about it and just kind of going down that and that was like kind
of brought to my mind, um, you know, as far as like
how old the world is, like you know, I mean how many how
many past you know, ancient civilizations of humans have come and gone and or
just kind of been consumed again by the earth and are beneath our feet.
You know. I always think about that, you know, just if you
look at like the ancient structures too. I mean, the only ones that
really are even standing are like the ones that are made naturally like out of
natural materials like stone. I mean, if left like an attendant too,
I mean, metals like cars and skyscrapers can deteriorate pretty quick. I mean,
especially on the you know, whole timeline of things. I mean,
you know, I could definitely see how like um, you know, you
like, let's say, for instance, like a like ancient civilization was more
resourceful in a sense of using you know, materials that were like pulled from
the earth, let's say, you know, and more like uh like gave
degrades by itself. I mean obviously you know things can you know, everything
that we have, even even like the new technology and plastics, it's all
originates from an organic matter in a sense. I mean you look at like
a like a like a circuit board, I mean, what is it?
What is it even made out of? It's made out of you know,
metals. I mean the silica the board is made out of. Is what
made out of? What? Sand? I guess, right, is that
what it is? Yeah, it's more you know, it's just basic you
know, not ingredients. But you know things that would like you said,
would a road quickly? Yeah? Yeah, So I mean like these things,
I mean I could definitely see how like a civilization could be like there's
so far advanced and then something happened and it just completely just be a race
from the world. I mean, and we're just kind of left with these
little, you know, reminders of what the most most recent one is.
I mean, I think the last thing I just remember hearing about was like
they shut down the Grand Canyon and they got like, um, Egyptian and
Asian artifacts that have been uncovered there and like an underground city. I mean,
there's all kinds of stuff, you know that who knew, who knows
what's real and what's not. But I mean I could definitely see something like
that. I don't know, it's just it's hard. It's hard to take
in a lot of information that I see now, just because I'm a lot
more kind of you know, skeptical. But at the same time, nothing
surprises me me. Yeah, And at the same time, I'm glad you
mentioned that, because I didn't even realize till I guess fairly recently that there
are many parts of the Grand Canyon that you're not allowed to investigate yourself,
that are completely off limits to people. Yeah, and I can only imagine
why. And I'm sure I had nothing to do with, you know,
people's safety, right, it's for our best interest rights, They're just looking
out for us. Yeah, it's always in our best You had mentioned briefly
in your in your email, and I did want to kind of touch on
it as well. When nine to eleven went down, At what point in
your life did you did you take the time to peek into that and how
did that change the way you looked at things when you kind of realize that
the official story as usual wasn't exactly as how it went down. UM.
And I think I think the first time I kind of heard anything about it
as far as being skeptical of it, was probably, you know obviously,
like right around when like the war was kind of beginning, UM invasion or
Iraq and all that, George Bush, you know, forming his reasons to
go in UM. And at the time too, I actually was I was
going to follow the tradition and listen in the military and going to the Marines
and uh I. But before I did, I mean, I was already
talking to a recruiter than UM my my wife who was my then girlfriend at
the time, you know, we started dating and kind of took me down
a different path. I mean, who knows what life would have been if
I had gone that way. But it was definitely one of those things where
it was at the forefront of my mind of like the whole patriotism and you
know, wanting to go and fight and you know, just that American pride
of you know, it was it's it's amazing to look at things from you
know, in hindsight, uh as far as like the reasoning for things and
why you do stuff, and you know, I'm just I'm so grateful that
I didn't go down that path, because I remember I have quite a few
friends that did, and you know, they either didn't make it back or
they made it back and were totally different. Um. It was just a
very kind of bizarre time in the world. I mean, yeah, it
was probably right around that time when the war was you know, kicking off,
and just seeing like the reasoning and then obviously all the you know,
political stuff going on. I think probably the biggest thing was like hearing my
dad and him talking about it, and him having already been in the military
for so many years and hearing his take on it and him being, you
know, tone me that he was grateful that I didn't go. I mean
it was weird too because leading it up for years, he was like all
for it, and I was like supportive of me doing that. And then
you know, I think it was a combination of both him and my wife
just kind of talked me out of it. But I mean it's not to
say that, you know, I don't have anything against the military, have
a lot of military friends and you know, a lot of respect. But
I mean, I just I couldn't see myself now, I guess being proud
of myself for having gone, but yeah, now I completely get it.
Me and my my son just had this conversation a couple of weeks ago as
well, because he had actually got to the point where he went. He
was at MEPs in Philadelphia, you know, doing the physical and everything,
and just changed his you know, like halfway through the day he just said,
now, and you know, we had that conversation like we're so grateful
that he didn't because, you know, and now we're much wiser, you
know, over the last ten years and understand what it's really all about.
And of course the people in the middle of terry. Everybody goes in,
you know, with with a good heart. And it's not the soldiers,
it's the people at the top. It's the people who control um. It's
the manipulators who create you know that they create these emergencies around the world and
it's up to the the USA to to just like, I know, the
movie was ridiculous, but the Team America, that's exactly how how they like
to portray us. Were like the heroes that come in and we save people
by dropping you know, bombs all over them. And uh, I really
really, you know, I had had my suspicions, but Livia was really
next next level mind opening when you find out, um, how blessed the
country was. And I'm not saying the guy was a saint, um Gaddafi
um, whether or not he was involved in that bombing in eighty nine,
but the they literally had the number one prenatal system in the entire world.
Um, when people had babies, they were given off, and they had
an underground river system for you know, irrigating. It was just next level.
It's just if you mess with the rothschilds, if you mess with the
bankers, it's a game over. We're going to bring democracy and uh,
you know we're gonna bring freedom our way. And again it's uh, it's
not a knock on the soldiers, sailors, marines. Um. It's a
combination of the lies in our history books. Um, you know, the
way the stories are written and of course, um, the media is controlled.
Like everybody's seen that video where ninety five percent of the media is controlled
by the same entity. And I forget what documentary it was, but they
were playing like all the local news from around the country and they're literally saying
the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, I have like I have like a
ton of friends that have been in the military for for you know, decade
or two, and you know, they just their mindset of things now.
I mean obviously they're a lot more conspiratorial too, because they're just they they've
seen it for his hand, and you know, they they realized that going
in they were kind of naive and young and you know kind of got you
know, pushed down this you know way of thinking and kind of control the
follow orders and next thing, you know, it's like they're a decade in
and they're just seeing all the deception for what it is and just I mean,
yeah, like like you're saying, with the Gadaphi and Libya, I
mean they had their own, uh monetary system of like paying with you know,
gold and you know, things that were of real value and not actual
like paper money. I mean, you know, he I feel like they
had kind of figured out and that's that's why, you know, like you
said, they brought democracy. Yeah, and it's not a coincidence that the
two guys who kind of came up with hydro engines, Stanley Myers and then
the guy who was the security guard at the Buffalo Tops who got killed,
you know, both of the guys who kind of invented these engines that could
run on water. Um, the mysterious. They just die if you go
against uh. And obviously, like if I invented free free energy, like
hey, everybody, you just got to put this throught up, and I've
created this thing, I would be gone within three days. George Hobbs was
found at the bottom of the lake. He had a boating accidents. And
just the way everything is, we're busy working, I mean, everybody would
be sad for a couple of days and then life would go on. That's
just the power that these people have. I mean, if they can take
out a sitting president and get away with it, everything else is just you
know cake, Yeah, I know, it's a you know, I think
I can't remember if I've seen it on your page or another one just today
or you know, actually, no, I did see it on your page
or I heard it on the episode I listened to today, the one with
Larry Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and it was the clip of Gerald before
being asked about a woman president. And uh, that was was mind blowing.
I couldn't believe that. I mean, I had to go look it
up right away, and I was watching the video and I shared it and
I was just like, you know, I just can't believe that I had
never heard that before, and it's just very very bizarre. I mean to
see if if if that plays out the way he kind of said it that
right there is like, you know, everybody needs to pay attention, right,
And I don't think it would in my opinion, I'm not sure it
would have been so alarming if the little girl had asked the question differently.
But she literally says, can you give me advice on how to become a
president? And you would again, you would expect them to say, get
into a good college, you know, do four years in the military,
because you know that looks good. Things like that. He's no, he
just goes into this story and it's like holy call. And again he's at
Herbert Hoover's Presidential Library and that guy was a freemason and just and then there's
the but one of my friends he actually said he told me he said that,
Um, I want to say, the day that Herbert Hoover died was
Kamala Harris's birthday. I'm not, I'm not. Don't quote me on that,
but I remember my friend he did tell me that. I can't.
I don't know if that's entirely true or not. All right, So we're
gonna do this live while we're recording. But m Herbert Hoover, Um,
let's see, he died October twentieth, nineteen sixty four. Kamala Harris was
born um October twentieth, nineteen sixty four. Holy cow, you can't make
this stuff up. Yeah, that's pretty goodness. Wow. Yeah. I
mean when he told me that, I was like, what's like, no
way? Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot going on with all this stuff
that's just kind of ties in and it's just I mean, I I don't
know how people aren't, you know, putting two and two together. Yeah,
it's funny that her father has uh. I think he had some ties
to Kenya and um, of course there's the whole Obamba thing. But that
again, that's a that's a story for another day. That's I have this
list of rabbit holes on my my big whiteboard over here. That's why there's
it's crazy. Like if I were to literally put up, you know,
a giant quirkboard with all these that's probably what I need to do, because
you know, one thing I've learned, anytime you go down a rabbit hole,
it's just a matter of time before two or three other conspiracies are interconnected,
whether it's you know, individuals or or towns, or it's just insane.
Yeah, it is is weird how it all kind of connects. I
mean, it's it's just one of those things where it's like, you know,
the fly Earth just ties everything together. I mean, I think what
it is because what it does is just it removes veil and allows you to
kind of pay closer attention to things, um and just just having that you
know, like people, just having people out there doing like what you do.
I mean, it's it's amazing because it just allows you know, so
many people who you know don't normally talk about this stuff openly, just to
giving them like somewhere to kind of you know, vent two in a way.
And I mean, like like people are you and Sean Hibler are like
out there, you know, really at the forefront of everything, just kind
of you know, speaking on behalf of everyone that feel this way. And
uh, you know, because I mean obviously majority of people, you know,
you start talking about this and like you know, to your immediate friends
and family, they're gonna be just dismissing it or taking your crazier, call
you stupid and stuff. It's only because they're not looking into it themselves,
and you know, and it's I used it used to kind of get me
frustrated, I guess when they would say that kind of stuff. But now
I kind of, you know, obviously having thought about it for so long,
it's kind of gotten me to more of a mindset of like like,
Okay, I can understand why they're like speaking the way they are because I
thought that same way too, But you know, just kind of leaving them,
leaving him on that kind of you know, note it just maybe they'll
kind of nudge them to kind of look into it a little bit more,
and then once they start looking into it, then they can kind of come
to their own conclusion. Because that seems to be the only way for people
to really kind of consider it is you know, they have to do it
on their own. I mean, like, what's his name, Sam Triple,
He says, like one of the rules of their own and he says,
you know, to not give people information that they don't seek. And
you know, and I kind of I do that now, or I just
I'll just keep it to myself. I'm not really out there openly, just
kind of trying to tell people about it or inform people. But if they
asked me, yeah, I'll talk to them about it. Yeah. In
some cases, I've learned you can even drive them even further away. That's
you hit the nail right on the head. People have to be willing to
be receptive that those who aren't, I just I'll leave them again just a
crom I'll say something like we mentioned earlier. You know, it's funny that,
you know, Mars is two hundred million miles away, but you know
we could barely get a TV signal from you know, just small things like
that, just to you know, a little huh. And eventually, maybe
in the next week or two down the road, they'll see something that'll kind
of spark that seed that you planted. And again, just to give them
enough to say, maybe I should check it out, because at the end
of the day, it's up to them to be able to accept it and
go down the rabbit holes and which is you know, people are busy.
There's some people work ten, twelve, fourteen hours a day and they just
want to come home and you know, eat dinner and crack a beer and
it's time to go back. You know. The rat race is a huge
job stickle for the truth community. Would you agree with that? Oh?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean just just keeping people as busy as possible at
all times. I mean, that's that's ideal for them to kind of you
know, not allow people to think and pay attention and consider anything other than
just surviving. Absolutely. Um, we have, you know, five or
ten minutes left. I wanted to ask you. Have you looked into the
other things like, um, the flight paths and things of that nature on
flat Earth? Yeah? Yeah, I did. I actually, Um,
like, for instance, like the one Dave Weiss talked about that book,
I kind of briefly looked into that one, but just hearing them talking about
it, like just I mean the distances and like the points of origin,
like between Ian it's just it's just crazy to to look at the map,
you know that we're presented, and you know, the look at these ridiculous
paths that they try to say that we take. I mean, there's no
reason to be zig zagging around like that. And you know, and people
will try to come up with the reasons of like, oh, they need
to stay stay near land, and uh, you know this and that is
just you know, so you're telling me that they're gonna go twice the distance
just to stay close to land. I mean, considering how you know precise
there you know, flights. I mean, there's very few you know,
malfunctions that they have with planes, you know, on the grand scale of
things, to to even like have that as like a worry. I mean,
you know, they they're pretty spot on of taking off and landing at
locations. I mean, to be worried that something may happen where they have
to stay close to land. You're gonna crashing into the land. Is gonna
be safe for them crashing in the water or what are they saying exactly?
And listen, they fly to Hawaii every day, they fly to Japan every
day, They fly to Korea every day, they fly to Australia every day.
So there's just tons and tons of instances where they're flying over water for
for countless hours at a time. So that just simply doesn't hold up.
And secondly, you know, these airlines are businesses. They cut nickels.
You know, I remember back in the day in the eighties when I flew
man you got these meals you got sometimes you got booze free, and now
you're lucky if you get a cracker and a half of soda. These people
would not, especially when you look how much the fuel has increased over the
last few years. They would certainly take the most direct route period, end
of story. And these people don't they care more about their money than their
employees. I guarantee you that, Yeah, absolutely. I mean they just
pack people into these planes like sardines and just you know, I mean row
after row of like you know, you know, seats. They're definitely trying
to maximize, you know, every dollar that they can. I mean,
I just can't imagine that they would want to quadruple their you know, mileage
just to just to equate for the distances. Yeah, that's right, because
listen, every flight hour they accumulate, you know, every so often when
they hit certain numbers in flight hours, they have maintenance they have to do.
So if they're accumulating more maintenance or you know, more flight hours intentionally
that means more crew rest, that means they have to hire a more crew,
that means more maintenance. It's just that doesn't pass the sniff test for
me. Yeah, and you know, for how many videos and coming out
to where the pilots are, you know, answering questions about the whole what
they think about the earth and everything. And I mean I think probably one
of the one might go to um like for us that I have a friend
who he jumps or he used to jump out of airplanes for the military,
and he was saying that he would see the curvature from the airplane and I
asked him what altitude was, and he said it was right around like thirty
four thousand feet And I'm like, well, that's like, you know,
pretty average with the commercial airlines and uh, you know, even Neil the
you know, the Grass Heights and said in front of an audience, he
said that even at you know, one hundred and twenty thousand feet or whatever
the Red Bull space jump was, he still couldn't see the curve from that
height yet. I mean, if that's not like just you know, concrete
enough evidence for people to you know, disprove the whole curvature thing, I
mean, I don't know what else is they just contradict themselves lesson right,
yep, yeah, they most certainly do. Um. What was there anything
that we haven't excuse me, touched on yet that you wanted to bring up?
Um? I mean no, not really, I just I mean,
if anything, I think it would just be kind of cool to see more,
um movies with that kind of sci fi kind of you know, depiction
of outer worlds or outer realms instead of space. Yeah. You know what's
funny. One of the listeners brought to my attention, excuse me, um,
a movie called what was it called Free Guy? I think it was
called and Um. We had some credits on our our prime video. So
I was like, well, this guy, uh, this gentleman asked me
to check it out. So I finally watched it last night, and uh,
I guess the last ten or fifteen minutes. Uh, you could kind
of say that they were kind of saying, did you have you seen that
movie? I did? I did see it. Yeah, I know exactly
what we're talking about at the end where they kind of created that world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's you know, there's
a lot of stuff out there. I mean, you know the Truman Show
obviously, that was like one of the original ones that I can think of.
Um, but yeah, they definitely have depicted it in plenty of movies.
But I mean just like a full on kind of you know, like
get in a aircraft and just traverse, you know, out past the Artica.
I think that would be probably one of the coolest, you know,
visual effect type of movies that they could do. Yeah, for sure,
the conspiracy Theorist would fill up the movie theater, that's for sure. Yeah.
And you know, if you look at a flat Earth map, what's
to say that there aren't other land masses within our own lake, Because if
you see how much water is out there in the Pacific Ocean, they could
very well have land that we don't know of that is not mapped out.
Absolutely, I mean, and even with like the whole New seven thousand Islands
in Japan, I mean, I mean it's very very obvious that you know,
they could easily easily hide more land more continents. Who knows what I
mean and like and I just recently did seem like a depiction of a map
where the basically like the ice wall that they kind of depict was in the
shape of Antarctica. So they're kind of using that almost like as like a
you know, putting that right in her face of like just the outline of
Antarctica being with the outline around you know, our world looks like. But
I mean, who knows, well, well, we'll know eventually. I'm
sure these things will be coming out more and more. Yeah, I agree,
and I'm hope whether it's you know, in this life or looking down
from heaven, I can't wait to actually, you know, find the truth.
And I think that the truth community is growing every single day. I
think, like we talked about earlier, part of it is because they did
overplay their hands, and you know from COVID and a lot of people are
seeing the evil that we see every single day. And listen, I just
want to thank you. You've been a tremendous guest with your viewpoints and your
upbringing and it's just been very enlightening. Now I have another movie to watch,
The baron One Chasing Will check that out. I'll make sure I'll put
the links in the show description, but I certainly do want to give you
the opportunity for the last word. Oh yeah. I think probably the only
real thing that I wanted to kind of say was in regards to like the
whole creation story and where it basically said God said too, he created the
earth and said to go forth and replenish. And that word stuck with me,
the word replenish because this that prefix of re I mean, that's kind
of in my mind that stands for to do something again. I mean I
think I had it. Let see, I had written it, I write
it down, I screenshot it a conversation with a friend of mine. I
mean, how can they replenish the earth if you know, the whole Christian
understanding is that he's creating it for the first time. And I believe that's
like the reset or the rebirth, the restart. You know, every day,
you know, of our lives, we see this pattern and cycle night
and day, the sun in the moon, I mean, yearly, we
see the cycle of life and death, you know, and I rebirth through
the seasons, I mean, with the fall and spring. I mean we're
kind of reminded of reincarnation, you know, constantly in a sense if you
really think about it. And I think that, you know, the Bible
is like maybe a book about reincarnation, but I mean that's just that's just
my opinion. Well, it's certainly being about born again, and it's it's
a great thing you said there, because every day we wake up, we
have a new opportunity to make a difference in other people's lives and to make
ourselves a little bit better. And it's just been a tremendous ninety minutes with
you, and I appreciate it, and I hope we cross paths again,
and God bless you and your family, and just been a great time spent
with you today, sir. Yeah, thank you too. Yeah, And
I'll reach out to you. I follow you on Instagram, so I've sent
you some things here in there and we've had we've had a couple of conversations
on there. But yeah, I'll definitely be checking out your website and all
that stuff too, because I know I've been kind of missing out on that.
I know you've got like a lot of people on there that kind of
converse on there, So I'll be checking that out. Awesome. Yeah,
definitely do drop by share your thoughts and to all the listeners too. You
can stop by the forum if you have any questions about flat Earth. You
can leave them there and then a lot of people will you know, you'll
get a lot of different opinions, or you can simply I try to stop
by the chat room at least twice a week just to drop in and say
hello to everybody. It's a it's a wonderful community. Every single person I've
interviewed has just been tremendous, a good hearted people, and this is really
a wonderful community. And I just want to thank you Adrian and all the
listeners for helping this be a continued success. For Adrian, I'm George.
I hope everybody has a great week. God bless you, and until next
time, keep your head on a swivel and we will see you.