All right, everybody, So tonight we have a very special recording for all
of you. This will be a Wrestle Magic production. However, we will
not have the Silver Fox, Rockey Tea or the Gardner Michael Gross here tonight.
This will be special because it will be produced specifically by yours truly man.
It's Maverick, along with a really good friend of mine, King Scully,
King Skeully. How are you, man? I'm very good, thank
you, and yourself dooming? All right? Man? So how long have
you been watching wrestling? Man? Let's give a crowd a little bit of
a background on you, bud, since I was very young. I remember
watching it when I was like five years old, at least for odd Jeers.
All right, all right, so you'll live out here in the UK
as well. I think we're a couple hours apart from each other, correct,
Yep, that's it. Yeah. So we've talked a little bit back
and forth. We've had some interesting conversations and we decided what if we had
our own series, just a little bit of something on the side that we
could come up with and talk about. We'd like to potentially get some others
involved as well, but we wanted to talk more about one of the topics
that we brought up between each other, and we want to talk about some
rivalries, and tonight this will be the start of that. We want to
talk about one of the more famous ones that's been in the recent history.
We figure, we take, well, it's kind of easier, we don't
have to do too much research on it, So tonight we're going to talk
about John Cena and Randy Horton's rivalry over the years. It's been an interesting
one that it feels like from beginning to end, it was like, no
matter what storylines they were in, you could throw each other into pretty much
at each other. It didn't matter what was going on. It could have
been John's seeing that Boogeyman, could have been Randy Orton an undertaker. Somehow
each other would end up in each other's storylines and they'd end up on another
rivalry and having another few great matches. Scolly, What do you remember probably
most about their rivalry throughout the time? Well, I first remember obviously when
they both came on the scene and wow into the WW anyway, and obviously
they both came from the same So was it OVW is it? I believe
so it was something like that. I believe they were both under Vince's chosen
Ones or something like that, and they both were pretty young at the time,
but they were I think the same class. And I'm not sure if
Randy Orton started off in evolution or how all that came up. That was
just barely before my time, but when I really start watching, so you
may be more knowledgeable on that at the moment. Yeah, So I remember
when Orton came he was doing like he had little promos where I think he
had his arm in a casket for quite a while, and he used to
like he used to come on the screen to be like breaking news or something
like that, and it'll be him and he'll be like, oh, my
arm's getting better, you will see me soon and all that sort of thing.
But he came across all cocky and arrogant, and then yeah, and
then obviously John Cena on the other hand, I remember he came out with
the ruthless subgression sort of thing. I remember hearing and seeing videos of that
him coming out. I believe it was against Kurt Angle because he was going
on a rampage of just facing different young stars that were trying to come out
and make a name for themselves, and he would put them down pretty quick.
I remember hearing him say ruthless aggression the first time, but I continue
on, man, please, Yeah, Yeah, he came out and he
obviously that was Vince's thing, was it the ruthless aggression ever, so to
speak? And yeah, he came out and was like challenge Kurt Angle basically
to a match, and yeah, and that's the start of it. Obviously
I wasn't a fan of him to begin with, but I did like when
he changed into his little phogonomics doctor forgonomics gimmick. I liked him then,
and then obviously after that he went a bit boring and stay off for years
and years and years. But hey, yeah, right, I hear that.
Yeah, I remember a little bit about h in the beginning. I
heard from a lot of people. He just wasn't liked in the beginning.
He was kind of even in the beginning, was a very stale character in
the ring. I guess he was not very good and very different from the
Sena that you would see today. And it's kind of interesting as well about
just the difference between the two characters. Were talking about Sena and Orton seemed
like one eventually evolved into the ultimate heel. Like it seemed like Orton was
the spit on puppies kind of villain for the longest time. I remember seeing
he had a few with Jeff Hardy and in the backstage segment he ran up
and gave a punt kick to Matt Hardy and claiming it was right where his
appendix used to be. As Matt Hardy just had an operation done. It
just seemed like he was so evil no matter what, all the time.
Then you have John Cena, where he's kind of the total opposite even as
a person. Apparently he holds the world record for the most Make a Wish
Foundation wishes granted. And seeing as these two were just total opposites, it's
like matchmaking complete for almost any storyline or anything, because you can just throw
them together and it's okay, you've got the hero, You've got the ultimate
villain. It just kind of worked every time. What do you think then,
yeah, Like, in all fairness, Randy Orton is one of my
favorites. Obviously, me personally, I'm a heel guy. I like the
heels. I don't know why, but I'm not a villain. Well,
I guess maybe I am. I'm an Aston Villa fan and it names the
villain, so I guess I am a villain. So I like the villains
in the wrestling world. And yeah, when he came through, and he
was when he joined Evolution, Yeah, I loved the Evolution. They were
classed and it went long, and he quickly became the Intercontinental Champion. Absolutely.
I don't remember too much from that era, but I do remember.
I believe it was starting from sometime around two thousand and six, two thousand
and seven when senor Orton started to have a rivalries against each other, and
they had matches up til I believe around twenty seventeen. So this rivalry went
for over ten years, not necessarily always in the same storyline with each other,
but still having matches, still kind of having grumblings with each other,
and you know, it's always been interesting. They've always been able to work
well together. Do you have any memorable matches that you remember from between those
two I think if my memory says to me, wow, I think they
literally had every stipulation you could have in a match. It was very personal,
was very personal, like a member when Van de Orton attacked John Cena's
dad, was it, I believe so, I think so, yeah,
I think he putting it in. And then another time a while later,
well, it wasn't that long after that. John Ceene actually held Van Dalton
so his dad could give him one back, which was quite amusing, right
right. Yeah. So something that I remember very well growing up was I
didn't get to see it because growing up when I did, a family never
wanted to buy pay per views for wrestling, which you know, not really
a big deal. I always heard about the results later, but I remember
hearing the result that I guess, uh, Triple H, John Cena,
and Randy Orton had a match, all three of them, and then Triple
AH and John Cena both had Orton in a submission hold. The rep didn't
know what to do, so he just called Orton the winner. I remember
hearing about that, and built some nice heat for him as well. It
just continued on with the film persona that Randy Orton has put on, So
just little things like that they really did add some fuel to the fire to
keep Orton's heel persona going. No matter what he could still brag about,
it still seem as arrogant as ever on the next raw after that's something that
I remember very well. What other moments do you remember about him? Then?
There was there lots of moment So, like you said, it starts.
I think they had the first match in two thousand and five or whatever
it was, but they're actually the beginning of the prop of rivalry rather than
just a match like anyone can have. Really was July twenty third, two
thousand and seven on war or unattacked John Cen, who's the w W champion
on the night, and then the coach announced Orton as the new number one
contender for the title, and then they faced it. The first match was
at SummerSlam and Sena won the match, but the next night on Raw during
seniors match with Booker, t or An attacked Sena again, causing a disqualification,
and that's when he attacked seen as Dad, who was ringside punk Punk,
kicking him and seriously injuring him. I mean, the punk kick was
one of my favorite finishers. I don't know why. I just when he
did it tour them at Man's and stuff like that, I just thought it
was class. But yeah, I think the next one unforgiven in September Seena.
I think he disqualified himself actually because he he just aggressively attacked Orton during
and after the match, so he literally just went crazy and he did his
little signature submission move, the stfe and then that when that's when he why
he had him in that hole. That's when he let his dad give Orton
what he deserved, basically give him what he gave to him to putt in
the head. But it was quite funny when you watch it. It's not
it's not exactly the best, but he was he were the wrestler. Obviously,
he's just John Cena's dad, right right, And like you were saying
about Orton using the punt, that was such a lethal looking maneuver, and
I guess it's fair that they banned it because it is a lethal move as
it is. I mean, they did bring it back. I think that
was what two years ago when Randy Orton and Edge had the quote unquote greatest
wrestling match ever. And then I think Orton and Edge they were going back
and forth using each other's past moves and everything, and then Orton looked like
he was panicking, didn't know what to do to finally end the match,
he runs up and he gives Edge the punt again. I remember I marked
out in my room. I was texting the gardener the whole time, just
going nuts over the whole situation. But yeah, I definitely remember that.
I also remember Legacy being formed, and I kind of liked the idea that
WWE was going with at the time, pulling Cody Rhodes as well as Ted
d Biassi Junior, trying to create a faction just out of a second generation
Superstars, because they already had one who was going to make a name for
himself no matter what out of Brandy Orton. Randy Orton was absolutely at the
top. He's going to be Hall of Fame already at that point, let
alone this point, and then deciding to bring in those two, it kind
of made sense. Debiyassi was kind of mid in my opinion, he was
never great, and he gave Orton some henchman. Cody Rhodes at the time,
I don't remember all that much about him, besides, he had the
pretty boy gimmick, and then eventually his character evolved into him having the mask
that he would wear and he would use it illegally quote unquote, I guess
I mean, he had to wear it in the ring no matter what,
So I'm not sure if it's really illegal at that point ahead, but somebody
while wearing it, you know, it feels like a gray area. What
do you remember about Legacy, Man, Yeah, I love Legacy because it
was like three young superstars and they've put them together, like you said,
second generation their fathers or wrestlers. And yeah, yeah, Dashing Cody Roads
weren't it his name? And yeah I liked I liked him as Dashing Cody
Roads to be honest, and yeah, he did have the little mask and
he did used to I think from a bit like what Trish Stratus done most
recently, where they get the little nose injuries, so they wear a mask
to protect their face because they don't want it to get wrecked anymore. But
then they use it to their advantage, which as a heel, you can't
really blame them, can you really? But yeah, I really liked leg
I say, when you think about Randy Ortan, obviously you know he's got
his two theme songs. The one he doesn't like the Hey, nothing you
can say doesn't like that one because of the lyrics, But I really like
that one. And that when he that was when he was in Evolution,
and then when he was in Legacy obviously, and then he had his voices,
one with the one he did actually like, and then the Legacy theme
song and the Evolution theme song. They were class theme songs, to be
fair. So he's actually one of those wrestlers who's had a lot of good
theme songs, a lot of good storylines, and he's been in some good
state factions. But yeah, Legacy Young Upcoming trio. I love that they
used to just jump people, and obviously he knew Autumn was the leader,
and Autum got his little henchmen, his little bodies to do his dirty work,
and then he would join in. And I just boy was really good.
Oh absolutely, And I remember I believe it was SmackDown Versus Raw twenty
eleven, the last SmackDown Versus Raw to be made. I remember that they
even included Legacy into the video game story mode. They were called a Roads
to WrestleMania back then, was the story mode for the games, and it
was like you choose one of five wrestlers to go through their little story thing.
And I remember John Cena's it was like, of course it was going
to be against Orton once again. Back to the rivalrything. MVP was involved
with it, Legacy in total was involved, and I just remember even in
the video game, they captured the character really well of Randy Orton because it
had some sort of storyline where eventually he somehow ends up in a authority position
and it just goes kind of hay wire to the point where it's like he
is in charge of RA I believe, and he has some sort of a
restraining order on John Cena and it's like he can't have a match with him,
even though Sina wants his title back type of thing. And he's like
sending other people after him, not just Legacy, I believe he's sent like
Vladimir Koslov after him. And his name was Ezekiel Jackson. There was this
really buffed dude. I can't completely remember, but I remember in the game
even it seemed like Orton's character still just as evil as ever, it's still
working out. It was very enjoyable even to watch back then, and even
now, Orton's character he's more loved as a villain. I feel like the
crowd season they're still gonna pop for him. I feel like at this point,
he could burn down the ring and they're still gonna cheer for him.
It doesn't matter. What do you think then? Yeah, I think his
return is gonna happen anytime soon. He has been seen at the training facility,
so he's obviously going to come back anytime soon. And when he comes
back, the pop's going to be massive. And obviously we don't have Riddle
now, so he doesn't have to team with him anymore, so we didn't
have to We don't have to have Rko Bro anymore. So we'll see where
he's going to go. He could be smacked down, he could be raw,
but he's going to come anytime soon. And there's so many people who's
meant to be coming back or returning. But when he comes back, he's
going to get a huge pop. I mean, and whether he's a heel
or a face, everyone would love to see him back. Obviously, it's
been so long since we've seen him in the ring. Absolutely. So I
also remember you remember the whole next of storyline, right, yes? I
do? Yeah, well, I remember it got to the point where Cina
had to like build up a team of superstars to help out and go against
Nexus. I can't remember where Orton's involvement was. I feel like Nexus had
some sort of like agreement with him that like he wouldn't get involved or something.
Do you remember that. I think that was roughly I might have sort
of gone off it a bit then around that time. That was one of
those times I don't know if you're guilty of it as well. Well,
it doesn't mean you're guilty, but I've done it quite a few times where
I've in and like dipped in and out. If you get on me,
like I might have a little break from it. And the Nexus I remember
seeing him actually like because it had like Heath Slater and that is that right?
Yes, heaps later made Barrett. I can't remember what really that.
Yeah, but his name was Skip Sheffield or something, wasn't it I think
something like that? Yeah, And I remember was also Dan Bryan was also
part of that class, but he didn't join with them. Yeah, that's
Corac. Do you came through with the mist and yeah, who was that
other guy, David otund or something? Was it David O'tongua? I remember
now, Yeah, yeah he was and then he went on that Yeah,
like weird gimmick didn't do it with the soup thing. Yeah, just he
never went anywhere. I remember he had something going on with John Cena in
the very beginning. Then he turned on him and that's what started everything rolling
for Nexus to come out. Uh. I remember Nexus had something going on
where I feel like they talked to Randy Orton and were asking him to join
Nexus or something. He basically declined to say he wasn't going to help Sena
if I remember correctly, something like that, but I remember it was like,
of course they had to go that route. I remember there was also
I believe there was at one point that there was a lumberjack match that was
going to be held. And at the time, this is when'ra all
was still doing the Celebrity Special guest host. So every week Monday Night Raw,
Oh it's being hosted by Benny White this week, or start a slaughter
this week. Came in and he was the host of Monday Nightraan and they
can make matches up. And I remember there was somebody who created a match
to be a lumberjack match, and then right before the match started, seeing
an Orton or in the ring, the guy who was the host came out
and said, I have something to say. He pulls open his shirt shows
that he has a Randy Orton shirt on underneath. And basically none of the
Lumberjacks that came out were on a seen a side at all. I remember
hearing about the match. I don't remember seeing it, but I remember once
again going on that level of the heel side of everything, just being against
Seena once again. Things just worked out perfectly with the rivalry. But you
know, it's just kept going and going, but it never felt horribly stale.
It could be annoying because you kept seeing them, but matches most of
the time were relatively quality, and overall it was just enjoyable. What did
you think of it overall? Men, Yeah, rivalries are a good thing
to have, Like as long as you know, they're always gonna have good
They got good chemistry. They're both good on the microphone, John Cene is
gonna get or the little kids screaming for him, and then you're going to
get the adults cheering for Andy Orton and wanting them to beat up John Cena.
And yeah, I always remember like when when they fought each other,
the chemistry was really good. They had good matches. There were solid matches.
There wasn't any like botches really what I can remember. I could be
wrong, but I can't remember any of that stand out in my mind.
And like I said earlier, they had they pretty much had every stipulation you
can have, so they touched every area. So they had the last man
standing match at no mercy. What do you remember, like when aort And
tied him up and everything like that. I vaguely remember something going on with
that. Was he handcuffed in a corner or something. I'm drawing a blank
a little bit at the moment. Okay, So so basically he this was
on a roar, I think, ause I don't know, maybe about September
time he tied up seeing her in the corner of the ring, and he
basically forced Seena's dad to face him in the match, which obviously oughtn't easily
won, and that ended the rivalry prematurely. Becausin has suffered a legit,
a legend, sorry, a legend tour muscle during the match with mister Kennedy,
so that took him out of action for four months, and then that
meant he facated the title and then Ortum was awarded it at no mercy,
right, right, so we've gone over a little bit of the past.
Let's talk about do you think that they're going to come after each other in
the future, because we know Sina he's kinda back right now. I haven't
really been watching Wuee. I apologize everybody, but I've heard that he has
been back. We're expecting Orton to come back at some point. Do you
think that there's a chance that Orton will return at some point while Seena is
back to respark the rivalry a little bit. I'm not sure, but if
he did, obviously that would at first he'll get a huge pop for obviously
returning anyway. And then when he of if he was to come back and
give John Cena RKO and SmackDown or something like that, obviously people's going to
be like shocked or surprised. But obviously people will still be happy to see
him back, no doubt. But I'm not sure where he's going to go
because obviously he's got beef with He's going to have beef with the Bloodline.
It was them who injured him, it's them he put him out, So
obviously he's going to want to come back and get revenge. Even though Riddle's
no longer their riddle's gone, he'll still want to get revenge. This is
Randy Orton, and so he's not going to just let it go. They're
the one reason in storyline why he's out, so he's not just going to
come back and forget it. So when he first comes back, I reckon
he'll just be a face. So I can't see him going to seeing straight
away, And it just depends how long scene hangs around for. That's fair,
That is very fair. Yeah, I'm not really sure what all is
in Johnson and his contract details at WWE. At the moment, I'm not
really sure how long he's planning to hang around, But it would be interesting
to see if Orton were to just comes straight out and come back for him
immediately. It would it'd be nice to see, just for old time's sake.
But because I haven't been watching, I'm not really sure where all the
storylines would be tangled, not sure what seem is doing. Like you said,
Orton has more involvement with the Bloodline right now, I'm not really sure
where blood Line's main steak is, whether it's raw or SmackDown, But either
way, it's also kind of nice to talk about so Orton took Cody Rhodes
under his wing for you know, a little while under legacy and everything,
and it's kind of nice to see Cody Roads has kind of come up as
well. And I don't mean to go too far off track or off to
the rabbit hole, but you know, he's kind of become somewhat of a
fan favorite at this point after starting AW and everything. So you know,
for a bad guy, he's having a pretty good influence on the business.
I think they both, between Sena and Orton, really have I feel like
Sena has set an example of how to be like one of the biggest babyfaces
at this point, and then you have Orton, who's probably one of the
biggest influences as a heel let alone just as part of the business. I
feel like he's one of those guys that almost anybody can really look up to.
What do you think then, Yeah, obviously with John Cena, he's
he's got the even when I want him now, even like all the years,
I never really liked him, Like I said, when he was doctor
of economics, when he was a heel, I liked him. He had
somewhat different but then he went stale because he kept the same personality throughout his
career. But in another way that was a good thing because obviously that was
selling merch. He was the face of the company, and like you said,
with the maker wish and all the children, obviously he had to stay
like that. He had to stay the good guy because it meant it means
meant a lot to like the kids and stuff like that, and obviously with
it being like a PG show and not like attitude ever like some of us
would have had growing up, it meant like he had to stay on that
level, which is fine. Where Randy Orton he was never like he was
a good good guy, but he was always a better heel in my opinion,
when he was when he's a face, he's fine, there's nothing wrong
with him at all, but and you and he would still got a huge
pop from the fans. And then but when he's a heel, I think
he's more danger I don't think we've seen a character as vindictive as Van de
Orton has been. If you get what met yeah, I hear you,
man. If I had to think about the next closest heel that we really
have at this point, and it's still a long shot even from this guy,
I'm gonna say, MJF and aew, and that's still like, yeah,
that's still miles away. We're not getting close right now. With how
just evil Randy Orton's prime really seemed throughout his career and just the things that
he had done, the way that he spoke, the cockiness, the arrogance,
it just seems so played out beautifully with everything that he had to do.
Even when there was a point where he freaked out on a Kobe Kingston
because I guess he boughted something in the ring and Andy Orton really did give
it to him for a minute and you could see he's like yelling stupid,
stupid, stupid as he's like kicking everything. Yeah, you know what I'm
talking about. But yeah, we don't really see moments like that. But
either way, it was Randy Orton. It's in the character. It is
absolutely fine. God, I can't imagine if I was a you know,
God forbid, I can't imagine being what a cancer patient is or anything.
If my last wish were somehow to be like Randy Orton ends up walking in
as a kid, I would probably think, God, he's going to kick
me in the face. I don't know, I would be terrified. That's
just how his heel persona is so well played out, and that's why it's
so enjoyable to watch him. Whether he's winning or losing, you can take
it as you know, whether you like seeing it, whether you like Orton,
it's just enjoyable to watch. And that's something I feel like he is
really put into the business. He's really given back as well. He really
knows how to listen to Vince McMahon's orders. Whatever it is, it doesn't
matter. He's going to listen and do exactly what's needed for the company.
And that's also very enjoyable for him. He's taken many stars under his wing.
He's done so many things, and uh, you know, I really
even enjoyed his feud with Bray Wyatt for a little bit. I feel like
it was a little short lived unfortunately when they let him go the first time,
and uh, you know, God rest his soul. But yeah,
anyways, what other thoughts, yeah have on just a feud overall? Man,
So, Sina was always going to be that babyface after being doctor thuganomix,
which is very entertaining with his raps. If you guys don't know look
up some of his He had some really funny bars throughout that whole era.
What do you think, man, Yeah, Like I've I said it a
few times, like with my mates and stuff, and they always laugh and
I'd do it, but like I try and do a little bit about myself,
and I sometimes say that John Cena think the one he did to brought
Lesno, I don't know if you remember that. I do not. I'll
be honest. I was a little bit before my time, man. Okay,
So basically he is provoking brought Lesner. So he come out and he
obviously doing his little wrapp thing and he's like, who brought len? Who
come to the pain? God built me strong forget to give me brains?
And then the next bit was something like you hop around all day like there's
potatoes in your crack. That's a nice tattoo of your mother on your back.
And then you got like task going, oh my god, what have
you just done or whatever? And then yeah, and yeah that I really
enjoyed that. And I think he had like back and forth with like Kishi
and one of the most really good rap battles he had was with Kurt Angle.
And to be fair, Kurt Angle was hilarious. So and he even
got the referee to come in the ring and do the little beatboxing for him
and Kurt Angle with his little he puts the hat sideways and all that,
and he's doing a little dance and yeah, it was hilarious. Yeah,
so I think like and then obviously with Randy Orton, he's changed his characters
a few times too. He's never just stayed the same. I know he's
had his moments where he's when do you remember when he like one of the
times I remembers are any handcuffed triple H to the turn book or and then
they had did e T Stephanie mcmahnon. Then he laid over and kissed on
the lips and vaguely remember that I remember. I think I saw a replay
of it. But yeah, I remember what you're talking about. Yeah,
Like there's stuff we used to do, and like when it like when I
said earlier when he punted like mister mcmannon in the head or whatever or vintce
McMann and everyone like shocked or so. They're both both careers, they've both
left their mark and it will always be one of those rivalies you always look
back on. They both had their own thing going on, but when they
joined together there was always top of top of the food chain, so there
was always going to fight each other, whether it was anything goes match.
When they had a sixty minute iron Man match as well, where the competitor
with the most decisions at the end of that time would be named the victor,
obviously, and yeah, and they also did one where if Senor lost,
he would leave Raw and that and Sena accepted that. So, like
I said, they had plenty of matches, and they faced off on a
December special episode of Raw, and they received the Slammy Award for the Superstar
of a Year in a tournament final with which Sena won, so he would
not Slammy for beating and that halted the rivalry for nearly four years then so
and then obviously it came back again in two thousand and eve fourteen, and
then they fought each other loads two other times. But like you said as
well about with the Wyatt family in bray Wyatt or mainly bray Wyatt, he
feuded with both of them as well. Didn't even think about it, Yeah,
both at different times. Last I remembered was when you see here Randy
Orton and Bray Wyatt faced each other at WrestleMania Alexa Bliss was involved, and
then well before that, I believe it was when Bray whyitt was really Yeah,
when Bradwhittet was really first coming out he was hitting with Sena I believe
with the whole Firefly's entrance and everything in the very beginning. I want to
say that was around like twenty fourteen ish something like that. It's been so
long, but yeah, so he has few with both of them, come
to think about it, Yeah, that he did fight both and like you
said, at different times of their careers. But but yeah, they always
seem to end up against each other. I mean, do you think,
like like you said earlier with Randy Orton on the possible returning, do you
think like that could be a WrestleMania forty match, because I mean, it
is the forty of WrestleMania and that is like one of the biggest rivalries in
w W history, while wrestling history. Could they possibly face each other at
WrestleMania forty. Oh, that's a good one. I am glad you asked
this. I think is it's absolutely possible to also be kind of interesting because
we're at the point now where Orton doesn't have a fact anymore. He's not
an a team with Riddle anymore. He doesn't have anybodies that are going to
run in and help them. Well on the bare surface anyways, Sina,
he's been off acting doing his own thing. It doesn't seem like he's going
to have any run ins or help out. So I feel like this could
be a clean match that we could have for WrestleMania. I'm not gonna lay
money on it, because you know, I don't really watch WWE at the
moment. I'm an aw guy, which I've honestly been slacking on that as
well. I need to get more back on it. But it is completely
possible. I could see them not necessarily main event because I feel like they're
going to probably try to save that for Roman Reigns and whoever else, whether
it's The Rock, whether it's anybody else, to have a shot at the
title at that point. But it is entirely possible they could have a match
on WrestleMania forty and it would probably fill seats considering how big their rivalry has
been over the years. Once again, to me, this is the ultimate
villain versus the ultimate baby face, these two together. I mean, Orton's
legacy I believe in the beginning was cemented with him becoming a legend killer.
There's going to be a reason that his legacy is going to live on.
I mean him and Edge having the greatest match ever, you know, quote
unquote, that was kind of another example of legend killer stuff. He's still
going still facing off against almost anybody that he could get his hands on at
the time to make a name for himself. I don't really want to see
him end seeing it completely, but if that were to be, let's say
it was seen his last match, it would kind of be fitting for the
career at that point because they had so many together. That was a lot
of his career is just going after Orton or having to face matches because of
Orton. And overall, I think this rivalry has gone on a good amount,
but it's been a nice story to see. Yeah, they have any
final thoughts on the rivalry overall, men, just that I'm glad we're talking
about it because, like we've both said, it's one of the biggest valies
in wrestling history, so it deserves to be spoken about because for them to
have that many matches, whether it was most of the time it was for
the w W Championship or whatever, that was because they were both top of
the mountain, so they were going to face each other. But whether it
was that or whether they just had a normal singles match or whatever, you
always knew you was going to get a good match. You always knew you'd
get a good promo between the two of them, regardless of whether it was.
On most occasions it was heated, it got personal. But like now
you'd think they've when you watch them now, they seem like they're matured.
There, Like if there is to have a fight at WrestleMania forty, like
we said, it will probably be like like you also mentioned, a clean
match, it would probably be maybe like a face first, a face like
just a match to see who's the best once and for all sort of thing.
But yeah, they'll always it'll always be one of those rivalries that we
remember. So that's all we can say. Really absolutely all right, guys,
So we're coming to the end of the episode here, So if you
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