WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.000 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:10.480 sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:17.039 Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and 4 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:38.320 Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome back 5 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:43.479 everybody to this week's episode of Crimes and Consequences. If you haven't done so 6 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:49.200 already, we're gonna ask you very kindly to hit the subscribe slash follow whatever 7 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:54.039 button you got going on on your favorite app. And with that, as 8 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.479 you can probably tell, I have a very stuffed up nose, So I'm 9 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:02.920 gonna do my best to not like I've stopped up nose, but get through 10 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.359 this. Okay, Yeah, it's a good story. Have you ever heard 11 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:11.400 of William Devin Howell. No, well, he's the most one of the 12 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.560 most prolific serial killers in the state of Connecticut is a tiny little state. 13 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:22.920 It is lovely. Yes, he killed seven women. So I'm gonna give 14 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:27.760 you some background on how he became this monster that he is. William was 15 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:33.200 born on February eleventh, in nineteen seventy in Hampton, Virginia, to what 16 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:38.439 was described as a good family and a good home. Oh yeah, what 17 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.760 went wrong? I'm glad you asked. Let me tell you. His parents 18 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:48.239 were married until his mom died, and like I said, they didn't have 19 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.439 a broken home. He was the youngest of four children, so he had 20 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.359 two brothers, and two of his brothers were a lot older than him. 21 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.799 One brother was serving in Vietnam the time William was born, so I mean 22 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:06.760 he had to be like at least eighteen years older than him. Unfortunately, 23 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:13.800 with a matriarch or the family dying in early fifties from brass cancer, this 24 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:20.000 really hurt the family and William was only twelve at the time. His mother 25 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.560 was a one that provided that sense of stability. She kept him in line 26 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.560 like most mothers do, and she also protected him because he was the baby 27 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.280 of the family. Oh it sounds like he might have been the oops. 28 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.400 I mean, you got an eighteen year old. Can you imagine like eighteen 29 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.599 years go by? And I mean he's older than that, but still anyway, 30 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.360 the mom is the one that kept William in line, and unlike money 31 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:53.560 serial killers, he never experienced any sort of head trauma, molestation, anything 32 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:01.199 really traumatic except I mean, yes, and he didn't like kill animals or 33 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.879 anything like that. I mean, we always hear about killer starting out like 34 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.680 killing squirrels or something and then working in a way to humans. But none 35 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:14.400 of that happened with William. He seemed to have a relatively normal childhood, 36 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:19.560 and he grew up in the seventies. Every aspect of his early life seemed 37 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.360 to be completely normal. When William was fourteen years old, he stole his 38 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:29.240 father's car in the middle of the night. He drove to the red light 39 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:34.960 district. Oh, I didn't know there was one in Connecticut or Virginia. 40 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.039 Maybe he's still in Virginia either way, I didn't know. Purchase native, 41 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:44.280 I guess. And that's when he picked up his first sex worker. He's 42 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.680 fourteen, he's fourteen. Yeah, where do you get the money? I 43 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:52.599 don't know. I'd like to mow and lawns. I don't know. This 44 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.599 behavior would continue until he got caught by the police. William started drinking in 45 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.080 high school, and he would started drinking before school even started. He only 46 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.919 had his driver's license for a year and a half before he got a drunk 47 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:11.639 driving Oh shit. Yeah. Unfortunately for William, by the time he was 48 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:16.360 twenty, he was a habitual offender, and this is just horrible. He 49 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:24.839 had grape fantasies when he was twenty, before he was twenty and ascent years. 50 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:29.439 Oh my god. And he spoke about it a gross He told people 51 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.399 about it. Can you imagine? He said, quote tonight is the night 52 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:40.279 I made my fantasy come true. He crossed that line and said that he 53 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:46.439 was unable to control his urges anymore. It wasn't something driving him to do 54 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.079 these terrible things, but quote, I chose to do it. I chose 55 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:57.319 to do what I did and not to care. Oh damn. He was 56 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.560 like, I don't give a full yeah. Serious. He started messing up 57 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.839 his entire life while in Virginia, so he still is in Virginia. William 58 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:10.399 said, quote, I started screwing up my life through drinking. And I 59 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:14.519 served half of the nineties in jail or prison in Virginia. And it was 60 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.959 all for driving a car without a license and drunk driving. And it instilled 61 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:23.959 a lot of bitterness in me. I would became very angry and sad. 62 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.560 She should be angry with himself. Well he should, but now we're going 63 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:33.519 to be angry at because you're a dumbass. He decided to relocate from Virginia 64 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:38.680 to Connecticut. He needed that fresh start. He blended in with society while 65 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.680 in Connecticut, so apparently he could fake it, fake it, and he 66 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.439 started his own lawn care business. So I told you it was cutting grass 67 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:51.240 to go to the red hot district. The neighbors knew him as Devin or 68 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.920 just simply the guy next door. William was kind of heavy set and he 69 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.800 stood about five foot nine inches. He had long blonde hair with a goatee. 70 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.439 And I told you before his middle name was Devin, so he's going 71 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:10.199 by Devin and he has Devin tattooed on his bicep case he forgets he got 72 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:15.240 his name his name. By the time William was thirty three years old, 73 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.399 he was married to a really wonderful woman and they had two kids. So 74 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:24.360 he did I mean, he seemed to maybe maybe maybe he's probably doing fucking 75 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.040 weird shit when he was married too. Well, yeah, if you're doing 76 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.000 weird shit when you're fucking fourteen. There were reports of domestic abuse, so 77 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:36.600 the man and as he was still picking up sex workers of course secretly. 78 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:42.839 Yes, then he began living in his van. Really, yes, he's 79 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.519 got a van. Of course he's got a van, a creeper van. 80 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:53.120 So he's very cliche here now he's now he's become cliche. And that's when 81 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:58.879 his reign of terror started. Christ he had a very binary view on women. 82 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.519 There were two type of girls, good girls and bad girls. Good 83 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:09.439 girls were like the mother of his children. They didn't drink, they don't 84 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.519 do drugs, they're faithful, and they're really good moms. Those were the 85 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.839 good girls. Bad girls were the sex workers. It was as simple as 86 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.920 that with William in his mind. I mean, that's just you're either good 87 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.480 or you're bad. The Madonna horror thing, right, and what's that, 88 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:29.000 the Madonna horror syndrome. You're either like Madonna and I don't mean the rack 89 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.240 star. Oh, I was gonna say, I don't know if there's a 90 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.680 difference. No, like Mother Mary. Okay, there we go. Okay, 91 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.639 because I'm like Madonna the singer. No, No, because you know 92 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:42.920 she's got a little bit of a up history. She's living her life in 93 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.839 the Free Woman. So I get you, now, Yeah, I get 94 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:49.920 you. You're like you're like a saint. Yeah, exactly. William had 95 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:56.439 a girlfriend at the time the killings began her name was Dorothy Holham. In 96 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:01.519 fact, he bought the van off her parents for four hundred dollars. He 97 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:07.439 would later refer to this van as the murder mobile. Didn't we have another 98 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.560 case where they where they fucking named their van? It was those two guys. 99 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.160 I don't remember what they named it the toolbox? Were they the toolbox? 100 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.519 Just fucking assholes? This van was blue, was in nineteen eighty five 101 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:24.480 forward a count of line and it was registered under Dorothy's name. The van 102 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.480 had two broken windows that were boarded over with plywood. Are you kidding me? 103 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:33.000 No? And since he was a landscaper, the side of the van 104 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:41.399 read quote quality lawn Service called Devon phone number and shit, I like how 105 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.840 he's just like killing people sleeping in this van. He's got his number on 106 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.639 it, right, Like, who's gonna be call with boarded up Are you 107 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.759 going to call landscaper? They had boarded up windows. Yeah, I would 108 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.200 think twice. And just like you said, the van had his phone number. 109 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.480 Now, Dorothy had a daughter named Julianna Helcom. She was six years 110 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:09.039 old when William came into their lives. Juliana knew Devin as a kind hearted 111 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:16.240 giant he'd never heard a soul. Imagine the shock she felt after finding out 112 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.440 all the horrific crimes that you don't know about. That, Yeah, because 113 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.879 she really adored him. Oh this is really sad. In two thousand and 114 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.919 three, Melanie came Melanie. I think that's whw you say? It came 115 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.080 Melanie. That would be Williams's first victim. She was really addicted to opiates. 116 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:43.000 According to Melanie's family, she was really beautiful the inside as well as 117 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.039 on the out. When she was younger, she played piano, and she 118 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.639 was also the mother of two small children. But then she disappeared. I 119 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:56.840 mean, her addiction was just as an addiction. She tried really hard to 120 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.320 fight it, but she just she couldn't be Her family would come home and 121 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.879 see her almost passed out from prescription pills, and they would get mad at 122 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.559 her, but they always knew she was an addict, so they would you 123 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.480 know, we're always there trying to help her. She eventually became a sex 124 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.759 worker, and she hung out around the Berlin Turnpike of Waterbury, Connecticut, 125 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.639 because she knew there she could exchange sex for money. One time, William 126 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:31.480 was driving around in his van sexy blue van with the broken windows, and 127 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.879 he drove down the streets and he saw these sex workers. And I told 128 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.120 you he was struggling with these rape fantasies. And he knew he could take 129 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:48.240 advantage of these women because they're sex workers and they often don't report anything. 130 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:54.080 Williams saw Melanie and he invited her into his van. When he did, 131 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.960 he knew she would not come out alive. Oh god, but Melan, 132 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:05.440 and he didn't know that. After raping her for twelve hours, kidding me, 133 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.759 no Ah, william tried to kill her by bashing a hammer over her 134 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.519 head. Yeah, the blow to the head, it didn't even knock her 135 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.759 out. So he's doing like one blow and it doesn't knock her out. 136 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:26.000 But mentally she freaked out and she starts begging for her life and William hears 137 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.559 her begging, please don't kill me, Please don't kill me. But he 138 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.240 doesn't care. No, he strangles her. She's a bad girl. He 139 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.960 thought that would be the quickest way to get her to stop begging and make 140 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:41.879 her quiet. The hammer didn't work, It didn't you know. He tried 141 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.120 and it didn't work, so, oh my god. He ended up keeping 142 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:52.000 the ring that Melanie wore, which was just like not worth anything. It 143 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.200 was this tarnished ring with a stone in the middle. It was like a 144 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:58.960 souvenir. He kept it as a souvenir. Later he was asked about the 145 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.320 ring, and he said, I kept the ring to remember the night that 146 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:09.559 I stopped being a man and I became a monster symbolic. Yes, he 147 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.279 recalled also that Melanie's last words were, please don't kill me. I have 148 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:18.279 children. Oh man, hate him? Yes, what a piece of shit. 149 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.720 William later stayed, you know, I almost didn't kill her, but 150 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.320 probably because of her begging. But then I felt like I had no choice. 151 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:33.399 This part is he slapped beside Melanie's dead body for two weeks. Two 152 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.279 weeks? Are you what? Two weeks? He had her body in his 153 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:43.240 hand for two weeks and slept next to it. What the fun? I 154 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.440 know, what the fuck is that? And reports have stated, and I'm 155 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.279 not sure the accuracy, that he cut off her fingertips and pulled some of 156 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.320 her teeth out and hit them, so eventually, when you decided to dispose 157 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.320 of her body, she wouldn't be able to be identified. I mean, 158 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.440 to William, sex workers were just worthless objects. He had to view each 159 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:11.320 of these women this way in order for him to do what he about he 160 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:16.639 needed to do and live out those rape fantasies. Just despicable. He stated 161 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.639 he didn't get any pleasure in killing them because remember, his thing was rape. 162 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.879 After the rape and murder of Melanie, Melanie, the rest of the 163 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:30.159 victims were easier. Yeah, I mean, it gets easier, I guess. 164 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.039 I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know for sure. 165 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.519 I don't know personal experience, but I heard yeah. After Melanie, 166 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.440 William decided to go back to Virginia for a few months. But he came 167 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:46.120 back to Connecticut in April two thousand and three and he's driving down the streets 168 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.000 of Waterbury, Connecticut. As he's driving, he comes across a sex worker 169 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:56.240 named Marylyn Gonzalez. She was a heavy drug user and a young mother. 170 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.440 He invited Marylyn into his van and she climbed in, hoping to earn some 171 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:07.480 easy money. William, like he did with Melanie, drove around with Maryland 172 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:15.759 for twelve hours while having her tied up and raped her. When he wasn't 173 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.440 raping her, she was tied to the back bench of his van and her 174 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:24.080 mouth was tape shut with duct tape. He would just drive around different locations, 175 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.399 and he even went through the McDonald's drive through. What yea with her 176 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.639 in the back? Yep? Wow, that's ballsy, right, didn't give 177 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.960 a fuck? No, he really didn't, he said later a quote. 178 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.399 I'd go through the Mickey D's drive through with a half naked, tied up 179 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:45.080 bitch in the back and told him if they made a sound, it would 180 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:50.320 be their last. And none of them ever did. Wow. William knew 181 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.039 what he was doing, he knew what he was doing was wrong, but 182 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:54.919 he didn't care. I mean, he's selfish, he doesn't care. Yeah. 183 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.519 He ended up strangling Marylyn and dumping her body into the specific place called 184 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.200 the garden. Oh. He would do the same routine with each of his 185 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:11.039 victims. He would rape, murder them, wrap their bodies in trash bags, 186 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.679 and then dump them behind a strip mall in New Britain, Connecticut. 187 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.759 What wow, I wonder it's what's behind that strip mall? I feel like 188 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:26.840 I've seen this on like a forensic file show or something. But I could 189 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.120 be wrong. I mean a high chance I'm wrong. Janice Roberts Now she 190 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:37.720 was formerly known as Danny Whistant was a transgender woman. She was William's third 191 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:43.480 victim. William would go to this one bar in particular on his off nights, 192 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:48.039 and it was called the Cadillac Ranch. Once inside, he'd sit at 193 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.960 the bar for hours hoping to pick up someone there, and when he had 194 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.720 no luck, he would go hit the streets in his van. On this 195 00:15:54.759 --> 00:16:00.519 particular night, the bar close at two am, and William, surprised didn't 196 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.559 have any luck, and then he saw Janice Roberts on the streets. She 197 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:10.279 had long, thick black hair. She was wearing a short miniskirt and high 198 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:15.919 heels, and William didn't know that Janice was a transgender woman, so he 199 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:19.759 invites her into his van. She accepts the invitation. He asks her, 200 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:25.799 can you give me a blowjob for twenty dollars and she says yes. William 201 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.919 then places his hand on her head and when he goes to pull her hair, 202 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:34.519 he pulls off awake. Oh shit, and that pissed him off. 203 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.960 He instantly got enraged like he was being treated like a fool by this man, 204 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:47.399 and he begins shoving Janice against the wall of his van and then punches 205 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.039 her twice with his fists until she's knocked out. He didn't write Janice because 206 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:57.919 Janice was transgender. He just strangled her right away. William's fourth victim was 207 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:07.200 thirty three year old Nilsa Urs Mendy, okay, era's mendy. I'm sorry, 208 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.680 I can't. Everybody knows I can't pronounce names. Neither can I. 209 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:17.680 You're no help, no help. Interestingly enough, William never planned on raping 210 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:22.160 and killing Nilsa, so he says he always planned his crimes around his work 211 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:27.519 schedule. So apparently that's maybe this is off his normal killing schedule. If 212 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.799 he had Lons caught the following day, he would take the night off from 213 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.759 raping or killing a woman. Gott to get a good night's sleep, right, 214 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.960 know what is that? On the day Nilsa was picked up, Nilsa 215 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.400 asked William for ride to Hartford so she could pick up some drugs. He 216 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.519 said that he would give her a ride in exchange for sex. She gets 217 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.200 in the van and she refuses to have sex with him, so he rapes 218 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:59.279 and he murders her. He originally thought that with Nilsa it would be strictly 219 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.319 some sort of trance. His actual action, like he was going to take 220 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:07.559 her where she wanted to go and then yeah, yeah, but that didn't 221 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:11.839 work out, and he thought he would let her free of the murder mobile. 222 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:18.000 Buddy, he didn't since he didn't plan this attack. He kept Nilsa's 223 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:23.359 body wrapped in a tarp while he finished his work. Oh no, the 224 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:29.839 next day, yeah, and then he disposed of her body. Unfortunately for 225 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:34.359 William, Nilsa would be the downfall of his reign of terror in Connecticut. 226 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:41.680 But there's still more victims. But we're gonna take a quick break before I 227 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:55.759 do as I said. William wasn't done with his reign of terror, though 228 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.599 it would soon end. On July thirty, first of two thousand and three, 229 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:06.359 Brenda trus went to the Weathersfield Police Department because she hadn't heard from her 230 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:11.200 sister, Nielsa in over a week. And Nilsa was always really good about 231 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:15.359 keeping in touch with her family, and she didn't have custody of her four 232 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.720 children, but she visited them all the time. She lived in a local 233 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:26.279 motel with her boyfriend, Angel Sanchez, and the police knew that she was 234 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.480 a haremine user and a sex worker. Her boyfriend was a drug dealer, 235 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:36.759 so he was immediately the first person they suspected killed her. He was brought 236 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:41.640 in for questioning and agreed to take a polygraph, which he passed with flying 237 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:45.960 colors. Rather than being behind his girlfriend's disappearance, he would end up becoming 238 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:52.200 a key factor and bringing down William Howell. Angel told police that he and 239 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:59.359 Nilsa invited William Howell into the remote room and he was going to stay overnight 240 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.960 in the three them were going to smoke crack together. Probably I'm assuming William 241 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.480 would be the one maybe paying for it, I don't know. Angel told 242 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:12.319 police that the last timey son Nilsa was at two thirty am on July twenty 243 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:18.400 fifth, two thousand and three. She was last seen getting into William's blue 244 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:23.039 van, But despite having all of this information, it would take them over 245 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:29.359 six months to arrest William. On November twenty eighth of two thousand and three, 246 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:33.000 William was driving through North Carolina when he was pulled over by a patrol 247 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:40.319 cop for a driving violation. When the Weathersfield Police found out, they were 248 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:45.640 really worried that they would like somehow lose William, he would get released, 249 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:49.319 so they asked the North Carolina Police to hold them until they could travel the 250 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:56.079 eight hundred miles to sort them and arrest warrant for violating parole. North Carolina's 251 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:02.920 police they obliged, and they held Welliam. After William was picked up, 252 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.640 they went back to Connecticut and it wasn't long drive. William mass the police. 253 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:12.480 Why would you come all this way on a misdemeanor warrant? And I'm 254 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.359 not sure what the warrant was for, but it was a misdemeanor. One 255 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:21.799 of the detectives showed William a picture of Nilsa. The detective said quote. 256 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.759 William appeared shocked and immediately stated, I don't want to speak to you without 257 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.000 my attorney president. I want to exercise my right to remain silent. The 258 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:36.119 detective was like, surprise, bitch, right. Yeah. While they had 259 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:40.920 William and custody, investigators got a search warrant for his van. Oh boy, 260 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.119 yeah, and the forensic team along with investigators, began searching the blue 261 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:51.319 van and they noticed a blood soaked cushion. Of course it didn't clean off 262 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:55.880 because you know, he's nasty shit, and the blood had soaked all the 263 00:21:55.960 --> 00:22:00.079 way through into the foam. There's a lot of blood. Yeah, that 264 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.440 is a lot of blood and they noticed that one of the backseat cushions had 265 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:10.279 been replaced with three couch cushions. Can you want me agine what this fucking 266 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:14.440 van looked like. It's like a garbage dump. Yeah, and shit, 267 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:21.119 yeah, there's bloodstains and god knows what else. I boarded up windows and 268 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:27.559 oh man. The blood was tested and it was found to be similar genetically, 269 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.519 though I think at the time they didn't come across one hundred percent. 270 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.359 Mall can never be one hundred percent. But it was Nilsa's, I mean 271 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.960 it was. There were also more bloodstains found that were unidentified to the specialists 272 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:47.359 at the time. The police automatically thought there's got to be some more women 273 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.880 because we have this other blood. Well and besides the fact you've got this 274 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:59.119 creepy van, right, besides the bloodstains. Six videotapes were seized by investigators, 275 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.720 and the video showed a darkly lit scene of how William was having what 276 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:10.319 was quoted as bizarre sex with women. He videoed it too, Yeah, 277 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:15.039 bizarre sex, none of the disgusting, none of the women's faces were visible 278 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:19.559 in the tapes. Now. While William was detained, he mentioned that he 279 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:25.480 wanted a speedy trial. He told us to a man whose name was Thomas 280 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:30.279 Rodriguez, and this man eventually told the police or whatever, Hey, he 281 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:36.519 wants a speedy trial, okay. And he also told this guy how he 282 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:40.759 beat the fuck out of nil Saw in the back of the van. He 283 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.240 broke her nose and threw out of the van. He said he had to 284 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:48.920 hurry up and rushed the case because it's all circumstantial right now, and he 285 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.880 doesn't want there to be a body found. Oh shit, that's why he 286 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.400 wanted a speedy trial. I don't so I don't think he wanted a speedy 287 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:57.880 trial so I could hurry up in the service time. But wouldn't it be 288 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.599 new evidence, Like let's say he does. Go on, let's say he 289 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:06.640 does. Oh, maybe you're right, right, it's new evidence that didn't 290 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:11.160 exist when he would have been convicted or acquitted, So double jeopardy doesn't apply, 291 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.559 right, that's a true. Yeah, it's new I mean, hello, 292 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.440 a body that didn't it wasn't an evidence. Remember that one case we 293 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:26.039 did with mal Ignato where they found the photos of yeah, her being tortured 294 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.519 and murdered, and he only did time for perjury. But that was a 295 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.559 long time ago. Yeah, and you and I do family law criminal law, 296 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.279 so we don't really know. Don't trust us. This is not giving 297 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.720 you legal advice right now. He also mentioned he hated fucking prostitutes. Oh, 298 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.559 like that's not a given. He took a plea deal because there was 299 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.240 no body, and he played guilty to first degree manslaughter on January thirtieth of 300 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.039 two thousand and seven and was sentenced to fifteen years. So this is for 301 00:24:55.160 --> 00:25:00.279 Nilsa. Yes, okay, fifteen years. Yeah. Mary Jane Yard, 302 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.640 age forty at the time, would end up becoming what was known as the 303 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:10.519 fifth victim of William. She had disappeared on October fourth, or two thousand 304 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.440 and three, from Seymour, Connecticut. She was just out buying a pack 305 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.359 of cigarettes when William spotted her. Mary Jean's daughter, her name was Tiffany, 306 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.880 said that she'd talked her mom gouldbye that day and would have never thought 307 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.279 that that was the last time she would see her mom. Mary Jane was 308 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:33.279 picked up and taken to McDonald's parking lot once again. He drove around with 309 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.200 her for twelve hours at least, and he raped her over and over again 310 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:44.079 before strangling her. There's something odd about this particular McDonald's parking lot. The 311 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.799 corner of it is really secluded. It's about fifty feet away from where any 312 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.039 other cars would go, and that was always where William would park his van 313 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.799 and near where he'd dumped the bodies. Now I'm just saying, so most 314 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:03.279 people are by the I guess close to McDonald's. Yeah, he parked very 315 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.079 far away. If I see this van parked in the corner like hanging out 316 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.920 there, really, what is this McDonald's butt up against. So it's the 317 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:18.079 busiest in the area. He would pull up next to the guardrail and there 318 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.519 was at that strip mall I was telling you was by it. And then 319 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.759 he would roll out the body of his victims from his van and then put 320 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.440 them over the guardrail, wrapped in trash bags. Parked the van in the 321 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:33.200 corner of the McDonald's parking lot, get out with his shovel, what walked 322 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.200 down to where the body was, and then drag the bodies a few more 323 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.519 hundred yards or so deeper into this woods. I swear to God, I've 324 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:47.559 seen this start deeper into these woods. And then he would bury them in 325 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:52.880 his garden. Oh, this is where his gardens behind the goddamn McDonald's. 326 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:57.279 Yeah, I'm by a strip mall. I'm like freaking out. I need 327 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:02.799 to see where this is. I mean to google this ship. And nobody 328 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.960 at McDonald's ever saw anything. No one ever heard anything, or maybe they 329 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:12.480 did, ye knows. Tiffany Menard side of her mother's disappearance, I thought 330 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:18.119 she may have gotten into some trouble. But now that we've found her remains, 331 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.039 now I think in my head she was probably brutally killed. Oh she 332 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:27.400 was. Mary Jane's family placed flowers behind the new Burton strip mall with balloons 333 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:32.160 at red Love you mom, and a nova said thinking of you always. 334 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.400 Now there's actually another victim. What Yeah, damn. Her name is Diane 335 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.799 Kustack, and she would end up being the sixth victim of Williams. Diane 336 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:48.359 had been a strained from her family for years because she was addicted to drugs, 337 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.799 but she was never reported missing. Oh that's really sad. That always 338 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.799 makes me really sad too. The last time anyone saw Diane was in late 339 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.319 September. They're not even sure, I'm time in the fall of two thousand 340 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.799 and three. The only reason that her family found out about Her death was 341 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:11.440 due to a clay bust created after the forensic team reconstructed it from a skull 342 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:21.200 found in the garden. In the garden Wow. Photos of the boss were 343 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.160 publicized and the local news stations asking the public, you know, does anybody 344 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:30.559 recognize her? And Diane was originally a Jane Doe until her brother and then 345 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.839 his wife called in the tipline and gave them a DNA sample. That's how 346 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:38.079 they got to hit a match that it was Diane. It was seven years 347 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:44.640 after she'd been killed before she was identified. Oh really, that's just really 348 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.400 fucking sad. I'm gonna tell you about another one. Ah, man, 349 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.839 this dude is crazy. Twenty four year old Joveline Martinez disappeared from East Hartford, 350 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:59.519 Connecticut, and was last seen on Hillside Avenue. This is where she 351 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.319 was picked by William joy Vleen was really beautiful and she had a lot of 352 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:11.279 life left to live, just like the other women, but William decided his 353 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:17.319 needs were more important than her life. And this is around the time that 354 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.240 he was living in his van and William's wife actually filed for full custody of 355 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.319 the children, so he was like in a really pissed off mood. I 356 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.519 guess her school was found on the dumping grounds and a clay bus was also 357 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.400 put together and released to the public at the same time that Diane's was, 358 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:41.000 so she was the second Jane Doe to be identified. The remains of three 359 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.839 victims were spotted in August of two thousand and seven by a hunter trying to 360 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:51.359 find a spot behind the New Britain Strip Mall. This area was far away 361 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.039 from the public, as I already told you, and the hunter called the 362 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:59.359 police to let him know what he'd stumbled upon. But those were the bodies 363 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.079 of Di and Jovelin and Mary Jane I mean, or that's how they were 364 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.920 found, Oh geez, by a hunter. They were able to identify some 365 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.680 of those bloodstains I was telling you about in his van. I know that 366 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.599 some of them matched Joveline place knew there are other victims out there. I 367 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.039 told you about some of the bodies they found, And keep in mind they 368 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:23.640 still haven't found Nilsa. But something interesting happened in the prison system. They 369 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:29.640 have cards that they'll give prisoners. They're cold case cards. Oh really, 370 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.319 yeah, And these cards are used by the prosecution and detectives to get conversations 371 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:40.759 going between inmates in the hopes that someone would confess that this is wild I 372 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.400 know, right, yeah, and then once that person confessed, maybe the 373 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.000 other inmate could get a reduced sentence. William was playing cards with his summate. 374 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.319 His name was Jonathan Mills, and that's when the face of Joveline was 375 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:59.319 on one of the playing cards. William shows the card to Jonathan and says, 376 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.279 quote, I'm the one that murdered this young woman. And then he 377 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:08.279 proceeds to give details. Oh, he started referring to himself as the quote 378 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:14.119 unquote sick ripper. Oh so he named himself. Yes, he's the sick 379 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.039 ripper. And he talks to Jonathan. He says, you know, not 380 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.720 only did I kill Joveline, I murdered seven people and then put all their 381 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.039 bodies behind the strip mall in New Britain, Connecticut. So here here you 382 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:32.359 go. Yeah, but don't tell anybody. Yeah right, I guess Apparently 383 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.799 he never heard of a jail house snitch, right, and he even ended 384 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.880 up drawing a detailed map over the bodies were buried in the garden for his 385 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.240 for this guy in jail. Oh, hey, here, I'm gonna draw 386 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.640 you a map to look right dumped everybody took it out and he labels the 387 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.160 bodies one through seven. There's that I didn't know this either. There's a 388 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.759 hotline number that inmates can use if they want to be like jail house snitches. 389 00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.839 Really and a lot of inmates, as we know, take advantage of 390 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.960 this process. William also told Jonathan he was going to kill himself, so 391 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.160 that's why he was all right confessing all this. Spoiler alert, He's probably 392 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:17.359 still alive. William basically told Jonathan all this with the point of killing himself, 393 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.799 and he told him and did that map because in trade, Jonathan said 394 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.640 he'd give him a bunch of pills that William could use to kill himself. 395 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.200 And William did take the pills, but he fucking lived through it, Like 396 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.160 you just said, to kill people other people, but he couldn't kill himself. 397 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.920 The police they end up talking to William about this and at first he 398 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.160 he doesn't he doesn't cooperate. They go back to the dumping ground the garden 399 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.640 with cadaver dogs and they excavate the site behind that new Briton Strip mall. 400 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.359 It was in twenty fourteen that the police were able to identify the other four 401 00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:00.920 missing women that they believed were murdered at the hands of William. They found 402 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.039 their bodies for their remains and were able to identify him. One of the 403 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:10.240 bodies was Melanie Melanie, it was on her birthday that she was identified. 404 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.240 Another body was Nilsa, which she's serving. Of course that fifteen years in 405 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.160 prison. Four William still wouldn't cooperate with the police, but the investigators they 406 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.839 didn't stop. They wanted to bring peace to the family, and they ended 407 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:28.039 up charging him with six counts of capital murder. In the end, he 408 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.720 pled guilty to all six counts. He did. He did, He said, 409 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.839 quote, I didn't want to put the families through it, meaning the 410 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.720 trial. Why put the families through it? Why put the taxpayers through it? 411 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:44.279 I would have been found guilty anyway. At least he was realistic. 412 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.480 He stated it had he not been caught, he would have definitely killed more 413 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.519 people. And yeah, right right. And Anne Kay Howard's book it's called 414 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.880 His Garden, A Conversation with a Serial Killer. He says he never wanted 415 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.720 to kill anybody, He only ended up killing them. One said he was 416 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:05.079 afraid he would be caught for rape like for raping them. He said, 417 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.719 basically, I killed them to cover up my crime. My fantasy wasn't about 418 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:10.920 killing, it was about rape. When as if he felt remorse, he 419 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.119 said, quote, the killings tore me apart. I have no excuse. 420 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.320 What can I say? I was selfish. If I could take it all 421 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.440 back, I would. I'd give my own life to bring theirs back. 422 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.280 I would, Oh fuck off. Yeah, I didn't want to do it 423 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:34.280 up. Here's some more snippets from Anne Howard's book. These are quotes from 424 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.039 William Why did you kill them? Bill? He answered his quote, it 425 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.400 wasn't about killing them, and it was about raping. The prosecutors didn't know 426 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.639 this, But I didn't just rape three of them. They based that on 427 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.079 what Jonathan Mills, that's his former sallmate, had told them. How would 428 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.639 they know that I raped just three. The bodies were nothing but bones when 429 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.360 they dug them up. I raped all of them except Danny, whistn't so. 430 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.280 I think they only only could maybe charge him with three Okay, she 431 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:07.800 says, because he was a man. He says, yeah. I picked 432 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:12.800 him up and knew Britain. After leaving the Cattillac ranch in Southington. He 433 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.559 was wearing a short miniskirt and already described it. And she asked, how 434 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.599 did you kill him? I punched him a couple of times, and then 435 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.559 I strangled him. She asked, did you strangle Melanie Camilanie too? Yeah. 436 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.559 I first tried to kill Camilanie by hitting her in the head with a 437 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.800 hammer. She didn't see it coming. There's another thing that Mills got wrong 438 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.519 when he talked to the cops speaking about Jonathan. He said, I tried 439 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.599 to strangle Melanie, but she wouldn't die, so I beat her in the 440 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.360 half with a hammer. That's backwards. I hit her with a hammer first, 441 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.440 pretty hard, but it didn't even knock her out. She begged, 442 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.800 please don't kill me. Don't hit me with a hammer again. And I 443 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.480 just didn't have the heart to hit her again. If that makes sense, 444 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.239 No, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. No. Instead, I'm 445 00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:00.400 going to strangle her because that's so much better. Ann asked, when you 446 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:05.880 slice off Melanie Melanie's fingertips? Was that so the cops couldn't identify her body? 447 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.840 And he says, yep, and John send some shit about me dismantling 448 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.679 her jaw that's not true. I just pulled out a few teeth after she 449 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.719 was dead, that's all. When I asked what he did with the teeth 450 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.679 and fingertips, he said, I put them in a grocery bag and I 451 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:23.360 threw him into the trash outside the Family Dollar store. Jeez, it's gruesome. 452 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.159 In a follow up letter to Anne, William admits that he did lie 453 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.679 to her about something. Oh oh, he says, quote, There's one 454 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:36.840 thing I've been dishonest with you about, and that is that I did remove 455 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.440 Melanie's lower jaw and an attempt to hide her identity. Oh. I lied 456 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.760 to you about this because I was embarrassed by the sheer gruesomeness of it. 457 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.039 That embarrassed him. Even as I was doing it, I couldn't believe I 458 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.000 was doing it. Put her fingertips and her jaw on a plastic grocery bag 459 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:58.039 and just threw them in the dumpster beside the store. And she's the one 460 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.119 he kept for two weeks, isn't it. Yeah? The body? Yeah? 461 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:07.199 Oh no. Leon will remain in prison for at least three hundred and 462 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.400 sixty years. And that's the end of our story. Oh so this winner 463 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.800 is still alive. And wells sitting in prison, riding away. We're in 464 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.320 Connecticut where he belongs. Yeah, it's gross. Well, thanks to Leah 465 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.880 for that one. I had never heard of him. I may have, 466 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:29.440 Yeah, I don't recall. And it's hard when there's you know, it 467 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.280 gets difficult to tell some of these cases when there's so many and there's different 468 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.000 timelines and stuff. So if it was a bit confusing, it was a 469 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.159 bit confusing for me to try to figure out when the bodies were found and 470 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.679 identified. But at least he did pay the price. Yeah, he did. 471 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.320 Well, thank you for that. Yeah, you're so welcome. We 472 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.559 have some shout outs. We do a lot. 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