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Cincinnati Bengals lost 10 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.920 DJ Reader early on Saturday, so we got a sneak peek at what they 11 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:50.560 might do to adapt their defense without him. Let's get into it. You 12 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:56.399 are Locked On Bengals, Your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked 13 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:17.959 On Podcast Network. Your Team Day, Bengals fans, and welcome to another 14 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.040 episode of the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. I'm your host, Jake. Let's go 15 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:25.200 join today by Mike Santagat as we review the film from a long time ago. 16 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.400 Now Saturday, the Bengals played the Vikings. We're going to get into 17 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:33.120 some of the adaptations we might see from the Cincinnati Bengals on defense and on 18 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.319 offense if Jamar Chase misses this week. But with the status in the air, 19 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.439 we are going to start on the defensive side of the ball. Today's 20 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.959 episode brought to you by the Game Time app, where you can use promo 21 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.239 code locked on NFL to get twenty dollars off your first purchase of last minute 22 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:51.920 tickets, lowest price guaranteed. And Mike wants to talk about on the defensive 23 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:56.000 side of the ball, including Mike Hilton fantastic day, Miles Murphy continuing to 24 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.599 trend in the right direction. Some things did go well for this defense, 25 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.879 despite Nick Mullins putting up twenty four points, despite some of the things that 26 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.919 didn't go so well, and despite losing DJ Reader and the run Dee was 27 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:12.879 not one of the things that for the most part in this game was very 28 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.800 good. They had to change the way they were approaching run defense without DJ 29 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:21.639 Reader, though, what were the big changes we saw from lou Ana Rimo 30 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:29.199 when DJ reader was to clear down essentially wholesale philosophical changes on how you defend 31 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:35.080 the run, where with Reader in they will slow play everything. I mean, 32 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.719 but that is guys are controlling their gap. A lot of gay Reader 33 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:43.280 is going to be two gapping or gap and a half. Sometimes they have 34 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.199 Hill doing that as well. And you're gonna go slow. You're not going 35 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.080 to try to get penetration. You're going to try to destroy this block and 36 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:53.000 be able to clog everything up so that these are all one yard games. 37 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:59.680 They tried that for a little bit after Reader went down, but the guys 38 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.520 weren ale to do it because he's kind of the key cog there, he's 39 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.439 the nose. He's taken up both A gaps tupau. Whoever they had in 40 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.199 there wasn't going to be able to take up both a gaps. And actually 41 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.240 they were getting kind of driven off the ball a little bit, so they 42 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.520 switched it. And the first thing is that they started kind of stunting a 43 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:23.759 little bit or sending some pressures, and that is going to be playing fast. 44 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:29.479 And there are two different plays. They spiked the end and that is 45 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.960 that end is in the C gap and he's just gonna slant inside to the 46 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:37.479 B gap And usually cross the face of the tackle, and outside of that, 47 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.039 you still need a ce gap defender. So out goes a linebacker, 48 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:44.759 and that linebacker is going to come free most of the time because the tackle 49 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.039 goes, oh crap, I gotta take this guy so that he's not a 50 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.039 free runner. And now, well there's a different free runner. So that 51 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.319 happened to get Logan Wilson a free tackle. They got a few run stops 52 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.120 doing that, but it becomes a very volatile way to play run defense. 53 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.879 You'll probably get more tea because you're trying to penetrate, you're trying to slant 54 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.479 get guys free, but at the same time, you're probably also going to 55 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:13.159 leave some stuff available for these backs to take advantage of when something doesn't work, 56 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:17.560 because now instead of slow playing and letting it, you know, clog 57 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:23.000 everything up and don't allow any holes. While when you're playing fast sometimes those 58 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.680 holes get created. And you can kind of think about how teams played the 59 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.560 Bengals not this week but the last two weeks, which the Vikings do fast, 60 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.879 but that's a whole different thing. They're way different than any defense. 61 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.199 But like the Jags, they took advantage of Jags. They want to play 62 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.519 fast, they get penetration, so let's just trap that guy. So now 63 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.920 you have to be able to lookout for those type of things where they weren't 64 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.279 trapping the three techs in the Bengals defense very often because they're like, well, 65 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.879 that guy's not getting up field. He's reading run, play run, 66 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:55.920 then pass instead of play pass then run, or at least get penetration versus 67 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.279 try to hold your gap. It does lead to a more aggressive style of 68 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.199 defense. You saw, for example, on the first play of the second 69 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:09.160 half, where DJ Turner just needs to make the tackle on the edge. 70 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:13.079 Logan Wilson gets a free run through, but the running back is able to 71 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.120 react in time and bounce it and everybody's playing fast, like you said, 72 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:21.240 and he's able to try to cut it off of a tight end block that 73 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:26.639 seals dack Hill inside and he has one on one with DJ Turner and makes 74 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.600 DJ Turner miss and there's nobody behind it. There's no help. And you 75 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.439 did see that from both safeties and linebackers playing more on the perimeter. You 76 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.480 saw the linebackers trying to, like you said, trying to feel faster, 77 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:43.160 trying to find those run throughs, and it does lead to some of those 78 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.480 really nice tackle for losses, but also opens you up to some things. 79 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.319 On a scale of one to ten, how worried are we about the run 80 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:56.120 games of the next few opponents? Obviously Cleveland has some injuries on their offensive 81 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.680 line and that's a few weeks away, but has presented a tough run game 82 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.120 all Kansas City and Pittsburgh in the next two weeks. Though, what's your 83 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:08.680 concern level on a one to ten scale for just runs up the middle essentially 84 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:15.279 for those teams? Uh? Eight? Yeah, I was already concerned, 85 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.560 but at least I thought like, well, they won't be able to attack 86 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.279 the a gaps with Reader there. I was like, well, they could 87 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:26.639 kind of attack a lot of places right now, but you could probably sell 88 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.040 out a little bit against the Steelers. It's Mason Rudolph. It might be 89 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:36.240 it was a limited participation for Kenny Pickett apparently on Tuesday. Okay, well, 90 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:42.800 whoever, it is not that I'm worried about Kenny Puckett. Whoever it 91 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.000 is. It's not a passing offense that you are praying that you're able to 92 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.879 stop. It's more so kind of the oes we can't stop that, which 93 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:57.439 I guess that did happen last Pittsburgh Gay. But the Chiefs. I feel 94 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.079 like the Chiefs I have more concerned though, just because they do have a 95 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.480 really good interior than Creed Hump for Joe Toney and Trey Smith. They also 96 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.519 are going to worry you enough in the past game that even though the pass 97 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.079 game isn't what it has been, I feel like you're never really going to 98 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.920 sell out to stop the run against the Pat Mahomes led Andy Reid led team. 99 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.600 Yeah, probably probably still going to try to play a little umbrella, 100 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.720 keep everything in front of you situation. So I've got quite a bit of 101 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.120 concern there. And then the Browns game is like that's their entire offense, 102 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.319 I mean, and play action, Joe Flacco underthrown deep ball, pass interference, 103 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.480 and sometimes they'll actually hit him apparently this year, but we'll talk about 104 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.240 that game in a few weeks when we get there. Mike Hilton stood out 105 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:44.160 for a really fantastic game on defense. You only had three tackles, I 106 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.360 think in this in the stat book, but successfully defended a screen, successfully 107 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:53.879 carried Justin Jefferson on a post that was almost kicked off because Mullin's underthrew it. 108 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.920 Had a few really good plays as a blitzer, particularly against the run, 109 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.240 a number of plays right at the line of scrimmage. He also blew 110 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:09.680 up the little throwback pass by getting into Jefferson's face on that little trick play 111 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.120 the Vikings ran, forcing him to rush his process and throw it into the 112 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.399 ground. Mike Keilton can help you, and if he's going to play like 113 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.560 that, that could be something that if they need to get more aggressive, 114 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.480 more creative with how they're playing run defense. Mike Kelton a guy that is 115 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.199 willing to do it both from the slot corner alignment and even from you know, 116 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.399 a linebacker alignment. We saw even a couple of times in this game 117 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.120 he had a run through the linebackers. It was exciting. But also they 118 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.480 ran more saw pressures than we've seen, and that is typically the pressure you 119 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.960 see whenever you see Mike Keilton make some tackle them back. And the saw 120 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:48.240 pressure is both sides, so Sam will saw Sam and Will are coming and 121 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:54.720 so both sides pressure coming. It's actually fun that in a few weeks or 122 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.679 next week, Spagnolo, that's what he's known for, are these saw pressures. 123 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:01.759 And now it feels like Ruma's gonna have to lean on those a little 124 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.720 bit, and they almost got caught with one. This is kind of a 125 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.600 cool play from Logan Wilson. They almost got caught on one because they brought 126 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:11.960 a saw pressure in the Vikings. Perfect answer, let's start a screen out 127 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.320 there because it's two on one for the Vikings not the Bengals. That is 128 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.519 a bad situation to be in. But Logan Wilson recognize what was happening so 129 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.080 fast. Oh no, he's just gonna sprinting out there, and he makes 130 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.759 a stop for like one yard. That's fantastic player. You're gonna need those 131 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.240 plays, and you're gonna need Mike Hilton playing well all to make up for 132 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.639 this because they're gonna be sending more stuff and they're gonna be sending me saw 133 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.519 pressures. The linebacker's got to have a quicker trigger. But yeah, anyway, 134 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.559 they're gonna send more saw pressures because that's at least I think they will, 135 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.759 because that's what they did in this game than they have in the previous 136 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.320 few weeks. And all that means is, hey, we might see some 137 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.600 Mike Hilton TFLs. It's exciting. It does lead to defensive lineman dropping into 138 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:58.519 mostly like spot drop zones as well, because they're generally dropping guys out when 139 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.519 they send those. They're not to sending like zero with the corner blitzes, 140 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.720 for example, a couple of Okay, I mean I know that they'll run 141 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.039 straight zero for sure. Like the Wilson play was a five man pressure, 142 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.320 so they weren't in a zero situation. It was I think it was a 143 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.200 fire zone situation. A couple other guys, and we're not gonna have time 144 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.320 to talk about in a great deal of depth. But Jordan battle not perfect, 145 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.720 but I thought was pretty good, particularly in run dye. I think 146 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.919 he was there where he was supposed to be. Again for the most part, 147 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.320 there's one play that we talked about before we started recording where he jumps 148 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.000 into the wrong gap that's exploited a little bit, but continues to play physical 149 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.200 and willing to play and getting to the right spot in the run game, 150 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.120 which is a welcome change of pace, and Miles Murphy continuing to trend in 151 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.159 the right direction with a couple of really nice plays against Christian Darisa. 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What's up, 170 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.440 everybody, It's Joe Marino, host of the Lockdown Bills and Lockdown NFL 171 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:22.039 Scouting podcast, and folks, if you like using debit over credit, I 172 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.759 just learned about something that's definitely a game changer. Discover cash Back Debit. 173 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.080 It's a checking account that rewards everyone with cash back on everyday purchases, which 174 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.559 means you can get cash back on tickets for the game, snacks, team 175 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.440 merch all with no fees, making this season a total win. Check out 176 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:46.200 eligibility in terms at Discover dot com Slash cash Back Debit, Discover Bank member 177 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:54.240 FDIC Mike, Let's switch gears talk offense and there's a lot to talk about 178 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.799 in this game with Jake Browning that we can get to. The First thing 179 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.639 I want to talk about is how they adapt if Jamar Chase has to miss 180 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:07.080 time, because it's one thing to not have Joe Burrow and it's incredibly impressive 181 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:13.519 what Jake Browning has done instead for Joe Burrow and in Joe Burrow Stead the 182 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.279 last few weeks, and they've done it multiple ways. You credit the offensive 183 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.519 coaching staff as well, obviously for things that we've talked about the last few 184 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.679 weeks, be it screen game, be it changing up the running game this 185 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.240 week, finding dagger as a consistent answer. I think every single time either 186 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.279 team ran any variation of dagger in this game, it was successful. But 187 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:41.799 more notably so I think for Jake Browning in the Cincinnati Bengals, but Jamar 188 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.799 Chase leaves a game to Bengals obviously still do enough to win, but Jamar 189 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:50.320 Chase misses twenty snaps in this game and might miss against the Steelers. And 190 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.000 if there's a place you're pointing to on the Steelers where you're thinking we can 191 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.799 exploit this, it's probably in that secondary. How do the Bengals go about 192 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.559 doing that or what signs do we see from them last week against Kings that 193 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.399 you can see them go back to if Jamar Chase has to mess I do 194 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.879 think they have an understanding of what Browning is most comfortable with, and like 195 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.600 you mentioned, dagger, but not just dagger, but also the wrap ends 196 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.960 on rays, spools, whatever you want to call that. It's also part 197 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.279 of the Cobo concept. But they got to that a lot. They got 198 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.960 to a lot of intermediate middle of the field stuff and is typically some type 199 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.840 of twelve yard in or fifteen yard in that they just hammered these guys with. 200 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.919 And Jake Browning is good on that. I think they're learning that Jake 201 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.759 Browning is not very good with the pick aside type reads where they cut it 202 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:39.960 down the middle. It's like millfield open, this's middlefield closed that way. 203 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.799 What he is good at is hitting all this stuff in the middle of field. 204 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.360 But what he's even better at, I think, and this has actually 205 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.759 got him into trouble, is how he threw the pick. But he he 206 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.600 is very willing to throw an alert and what that is is basically a lot 207 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.960 of times it's something that quarterbacks kind of just skip past, like the deep 208 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.039 ball on something that's really just designed to clear something out. But then Charlie 209 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:09.039 Jones Charlie Jones, and that's why I was I said this in our post 210 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.360 game, so I was incredibly impressed with the read from Browning there to make 211 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:15.360 that throw. Because we've seen Joe Burrow pass that throw up a number of 212 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.840 times. Yeah, and the first throw of the game, the Higgins deep 213 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:20.799 ball that he dropped. That was also the alert on the plane. It's 214 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.919 like, typically not something that you're gonna throw, but you know, he 215 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.039 kind of hangs there. He's like, if it's there, I'm throwing it. 216 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.039 Type of thing where I feel like a lot of especially backup quarterbacks, 217 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.759 are kind of terrified of doing that, Like, no, I need to 218 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.840 run the offense exactly how it's here so that I keep a job. Browning 219 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:41.879 doesn't really have that. Running has kind of like a whatever, man, 220 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:48.000 I'll just toss the deep ball. They'll be happy when it's his hands. 221 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:52.279 So I like that. I like that they're finding what works best for him. 222 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.879 I think maybe we just cut out smash concepts. Well, so let's 223 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.279 let's stay on topic here. What we're talking about first is what they did 224 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.159 and what they can do in the absence of Jamar Chase. Okay, well, 225 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:08.080 I think you get to that. I think you still get to the 226 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:12.960 rap ed, you get to the dagger concepts. You work intermediate, middle 227 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:17.440 of the field, high low reads. It's what he's been the best at 228 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:21.080 his entire time here and that's like the wrap stuff. That's the dagger stuff. 229 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:22.960 That's everything. Whether it's three levels, two levels, it doesn't matter. 230 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.360 Maybe they work some drive concepts in there as well. This past week. 231 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.960 I don't think they really did much with them, but I feel like 232 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.840 drive would be the outside receiver is going to run kind of like a drag 233 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:41.519 underneath shallow route quick and then the guy inside of him is usually going to 234 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.639 do outside release, go for about ten yards and then cut in and just 235 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.519 what you're thinking. Hilo linebacker stays on the comes down and tries to drive 236 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.679 on that shallow route. You can hit the ind behind them. They stay 237 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.039 back because they know that's cheese. And then you just take the underneath thing 238 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.720 and then usually try to get somebody that can actually run as the underneath guy 239 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.519 in there, so that you know it's not just three yards you can go 240 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:08.920 create, but working all this stuff that he feels comfortable with. That's what 241 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.319 you're going to have to do against Pittsburgh. Is what they didn't know that 242 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.920 they could do against Pittsburgh last time they played, because they had him go 243 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.920 out there in empty and run dragon line, which is a Burrow loves that 244 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:23.000 Burrough loves dragon line slant flat plus double slant. I know exactly where I 245 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.839 need to go, and he knows leverage and you know, middlefield, open, 246 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.759 millfield, clothes whatever. There was a very specific example that they ran 247 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.440 that, and Browning starts on the wrong side in this quick game, so 248 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.000 you kind of have to go throw something over there, like I can't reset 249 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.359 completely and go to the other side because the offensive lines thinking this ball is 250 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:42.960 coming out in two seconds, so let me just get this ball out Turfit. 251 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.279 Now you're not seeing that as much because he's more comfortable with the stuff 252 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.079 that they're trying to run. So you kind of hit that with or without 253 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:55.039 Chase. I think the one big change you're going to have is, well, 254 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:56.799 let's talk about two changes. One. I don't think the Steelers are 255 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.359 going to like play a lot of too high coverage with Chase, even though 256 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.240 Higgins is a great receiver. I think they're going to sell out to stop 257 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.359 the run, kind of like they did the last time they played. That 258 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:15.279 feels bold to me. When you're missing your two starting safeties, probably I'm 259 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.279 kind of expecting it. Well, one thing I talked with Luke about in 260 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:21.960 the crossover last week was something that the Vikings hadn't seen a lot when they 261 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.319 send these blitzes is when a quarterback's hot is throwing the vertical. The Bengals 262 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.000 did that a couple of times. It didn't always work, but Jake Browning 263 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.720 willing to push the ball down the field, and I think that that was 264 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.519 their mentality. Like you think about the quote that you know, Browning said, 265 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.640 Callahan told him before the game, I think you're going to throw for 266 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.920 five hundred yards. Like their approach to that game was They're going to be 267 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:47.960 aggressive and Jake Browning is going to find a void his zones and throw to 268 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.119 them. And I think somebody had the stats like against pressure, Browning had 269 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.519 a dot of like eighteen yards. Yeah, yeah, I think that was 270 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.920 Nate Tice or Robert Mays, one of those guys on the up Play Show, 271 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.680 the Athletic Show podcast. But yeah, like I think that. But 272 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.799 if I was guessing what the Steelers did, like what were we successful with 273 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:08.960 last time? Keep it eight in the box, stopping the run, making 274 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.640 that guy throw, And maybe they're not ready. They're probably gonna watch film 275 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.640 and see some of the stuff, so maybe they're gonna try to take away 276 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.839 some of the middle of field stuff and that gets into the whole chess game. 277 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.160 But if I was, if I'm them, I'm kind of kind of 278 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:22.799 thinking and confident of like, yeah, let's stop the run and make him 279 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.799 throw because that's what they did last time. It's like, yeah, we 280 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.680 trust our guys, So I think they're not gonna get as much too high. 281 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:32.240 We'll see, but I think they're going to sell it to stop the 282 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.160 run. And then the other part of not having Chase is you might not 283 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.599 try to run so much isolation stuff. For say, haven't done a ton 284 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.480 of that's more of a Burrow loves doing that because he's so good on like 285 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:47.039 back shoulder balls and turns those fifty to fifties into eighty twenty whatever you want 286 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:48.559 to talk about. So maybe you're not going to see a ton of that. 287 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.160 But at the same time, they are going to have the opportunity if 288 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:53.359 they do play a lot of single how to just toss the balls up to 289 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:57.279 Higgins if they want to. But that's what I'm thinking is just the two 290 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:03.559 things here are we're going to probably try to work more true drop back conflict 291 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.319 concepts versus try to work isolation concepts. And they're probably going to have to 292 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:11.640 have stuff that's going to beat a lot of single high plus one in the 293 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.039 box stuff. That's a small thing, but they also lose some of the 294 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.839 Jamar Chase motion gravity stuff that they like to use to move defenses and kind 295 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.720 of set stuff up away from that motion or even they try to go to 296 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.640 him. They also lose some of the quick you know, RPO alert or 297 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.119 RPO access stuff that they would run with Chase, where they just get chase 298 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.920 the ball at the line of scrimmage. Maybe there's a blocker over there to 299 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.960 help, or usually there's a blocker over there to help, and you're trusting 300 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:38.440 him to make a guy miss because he's very good at that. They might 301 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.480 still try to do that a little bit. That hasn't been as big a 302 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.920 part of the offense in recent weeks second level, so they can still hit 303 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.599 those if they want. Against Jacksonville, they could, but that's something they 304 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.680 went away from, and I think that's such a game plan specific thing. 305 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:59.440 That's why I struggle to draw too many long term conclusions from any individual game, 306 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:04.000 because they are very defense reactive. Right now, they're changing what they're 307 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.279 doing on offense I think quite a bit to account for what they're expecting to 308 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.079 get in a matchup perspective. In that chess game aspect is quite interesting. 309 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.200 But one thing that is encouraging is how well Browning has been distributing it to 310 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.000 a ton of different targets. You go look at the number of players that 311 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.960 had catches, a number of players that had targets against Minnesota, and even 312 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:27.000 really for his entire tenure playing quarterback for the Bengals, he's pretty comfortable throwing 313 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:32.079 the ball to anybody, and so you do lose some of the individual dynamism 314 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:36.799 and playmaking from Jamar Chase. But maybe that's a sign of sustainability. We'll 315 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.359 talk signs of sustainability. What else we've seen from this offense in Jake Browning 316 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.079 that could lead you to buy in a little bit to finish up the show 317 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:49.480 coming up next. 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Mike, let's stay 352 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.440 on the offense, finish up the show here, and if there's anything that 353 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.839 we need to revisit on the defensive side of the ball, they're always happy 354 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:10.400 to do that. But the big topic for me that I've been thinking about 355 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:11.440 that a lot of people have been thinking about. I mean, look at 356 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:18.559 the volume of Jake Browning analysis videos on the internet this week from Underdog, 357 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.559 from JT. O. Sullivan, the airtime that the Bengals are still getting 358 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.680 on the Athletic Football Show, and those are the ones that I ingest. 359 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.400 So if you're one of the people out there watching cable, watching NFL Network 360 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.759 and watching ESPN, I don't know how much they're talking about Jake Browning there. 361 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:38.960 I don't really care, but I do care about how sustainable things are. 362 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:45.640 They're not playing the best teams. They're playing backup quarterbacks. That continues. 363 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:51.279 They're playing flawed offenses. That continues even with the Chiefs. But at 364 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:56.200 three games now of pretty good play from Jake Browning, not perfect by any 365 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.920 means, but he's shown you his ceiling, I think, or that he 366 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.039 you can reach a pretty high ceiling at least. What are the things that 367 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.759 look sustainable for you after three weeks versus what are the things that you think 368 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:12.000 still need to be cleaned up or give you some pass. I thought this 369 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:17.000 game gave you a little bit of the uh, a little bit more feeling 370 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:21.000 of sustainability because he worked a lot of drop back and that was one of 371 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:25.079 the big concerns before this week, where he's always ahead of sticks. You 372 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.799 know, he's always got the run game. Almost everything is play action two 373 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:32.440 man concept type stuff, and I don't know if that's sustainable. What about 374 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.200 when the run game's not working. It's not that the run game didn't work 375 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.680 this past week. It was perfect, but I thought it it wasn't as 376 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.880 bad as what it was against Pittsburgh earlier this year. Well, and they 377 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.440 got way behind on the game script. Yeah, that's a huge problem. 378 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.200 They fell behind the game script, and that asked the question, Okay, 379 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.400 can you drop back and pass when they know you're going to pass? And 380 00:25:55.440 --> 00:26:00.880 they were able to. Now is it going to carry over week to week? 381 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.519 I feel like that is there's a sample size question here. There's also 382 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:10.839 a question of can he get through a game without throwing the interception that it's 383 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.039 like, nah, it's Nick Tice. Once. I've talked about how his 384 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.759 feet are tell like Josh Allen's feet will tell him no one something. He 385 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.119 throws it anyway, and you do see on that play is in the side 386 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.960 of Jake Brown kind of like shuffle shuffle throws it anyway. It's it's like, 387 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.200 I know I need to move off this read, but it is what 388 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:32.200 it is. Can you get through that he did it without Chase. There 389 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:36.359 are questions about it, but I do think that it has looked fairly sustainable 390 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.640 the past three weeks. I think you're looking at different ways to win against 391 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:48.359 different defenses, against some one very difficult defense. In the Vikings, they're 392 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:53.680 running as they have a lot of the tenure of a healthy of a healthy 393 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.599 Joe Burrow is a lot of you know, solid concepts that makes sense and 394 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:03.440 work. A guy that is in Browning doing his best in terms of getting 395 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.359 to the right read, working, you know, with what's given, finding 396 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.319 the open guy, and then a little bit extra sometimes with like how he 397 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.519 hangs on alerts a little bit and was willing to throw those and probably does 398 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:21.799 a little too much stunt double stuff where he's trying to run around crash into 399 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:26.000 people. But overall it looks sustainable. It's just a question of can it 400 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.759 be consistent? Can it work week to week? And now you're facing the 401 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.319 team that really made this not look like it's gonna work. Can you go 402 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.000 and into Pittsburgh and do that against them? I think that's a big question. 403 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.240 And you hope the second time around with Pittsburgh helps. The offensive line 404 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.839 has been playing way better. You hope that helps. You hope that that 405 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:52.400 continues. They against Minnesota, Browning talked about took the responsibility of setting the 406 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.759 protection off of Jake Browning and let Ted Carris do it. Yeah, maybe 407 00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.559 they've been doing that all along, but it was notable that Jake Browning took 408 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.400 time this press conference to shout out Ted Carris for handling a lot of that 409 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.200 work. And if Ted Carris can do that again, it lets Jake Browning 410 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:12.279 think about other things. He doesn't have to worry as much about setting the 411 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.359 protection. He has to hear the protection call so he knows where he needs 412 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.519 to be hot and all those things, of course, but it gives him 413 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.519 the opportunity to think more about what's the defense showing me, what are the 414 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.039 things they like to get to out of this look against the Vikings. You 415 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.759 never know what they're going to play based on the pre snap look. Like 416 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:33.240 that's the thing about the Vikings. If you go watch these ex quarterbacks Colt 417 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.039 McCoy and JT. O. Sullivan breaking down Jake Browning's tape this week, 418 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.400 what impressed him so much was how he was able to deal with pre snapost 419 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.839 snap decision making, and how he was able to get the ball to the 420 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:51.720 right place against these very exotic and difficult to figure out looks pre snap. 421 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.680 And Pittsburgh doesn't do as much of that. I don't think anyone does as 422 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:02.400 much of that as Brian Flora's defense in Minnesota. But where Pittsburgh challenges you 423 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.920 certainly with their pass rush and making things uncomfortable for you in the pocket, 424 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.920 but without the safeties in Pittsburgh, the weakness clearly to me is in their 425 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:17.960 back seven. So if you can protect, can Jake Browning settle in? 426 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.039 Can they find that rhythm for him earlier in the game, because that's really 427 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.200 what it is, right, It took them so long to figure out where 428 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.680 those plays needed to come. Some of the plays they could have had early 429 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:32.400 in the game. You have the Charlie Jones slow down on the alert ball 430 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.519 that we talked about earlier. We had the t Higgins drop on the other 431 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:38.680 alert pall that we talked I guess there's a couple of alert balls. The 432 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:44.960 cunt receivers off guard and Browning wasn't seeing things great. I messaged you during 433 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.039 the game that it felt like he was treading water. It felt like he 434 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.319 was drowning a little bit, until suddenly he wasn't, And so you got 435 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.200 to get to that suddenly he wasn't a little bit earlier in the game, 436 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.240 like more of the Colts game and find the right time to pull those levers. 437 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.400 The other thing that's going to be interesting is how the run game continues 438 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.200 to involve, because it did feel very different as we said it would. 439 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:11.279 Against Minnesota. They didn't do as much of the trap wham toss punished opposing 440 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.359 defense for getting upfield. They did have a pretty successful toss play Jase Brown's 441 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.440 best run of the day, but it was a lot more of the mixing 442 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.799 kind of game. The patient, set up your blocks, bounce it outside, 443 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.599 and they do need to run the ball better. Against Pittsburgh. I 444 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.720 think it's noteworthy that they got it back on track with Jake Browning being a 445 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.319 drop back passer, more pure progression stuff, not splitting the field in half 446 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.880 like you talked about earlier. But they did it without running the ball. 447 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.160 They didn't establish the run. They got some solid workout of the run as 448 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.519 a game went on, but they got back into the game throwing it with 449 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.920 Jake Browning. But if you have a run game going the way it was 450 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.720 going against the Steelers, that does make things harder because then there's I mean, 451 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.839 they got nothing against the Steelers that needs to be better. What changes 452 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.640 can they make there? Do you think schematically to help the run game have 453 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.440 more of it? Shot? Yeah, I think, well, one, 454 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:04.839 you're just going to be better execution, because I thought a lot of the 455 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.079 concepts that they kind of dialed up against Pittsburgh made sense to me. They're 456 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.000 trying to run long trap, they're trying to run counter. They're trying to 457 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.160 and if you watch the Bill's Cowboys game, it was almost all long trap 458 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:21.039 and some counter stuff, and they're playing a similar idea. They're playing an 459 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:25.039 odd front. They're playing five guys up front, and well Pittsburgh was playing 460 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.519 two and sometimes a safety walk down to make three guys eight guys in the 461 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.480 box and Dallas is kind of the opposite. They had five guys on the 462 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.119 line and one guy behind it. But still you're in a situation where those 463 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.799 angles line up so that that play is going to work. Your guard will 464 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.559 be able to get to that end outside linebacker whatever you want to call him, 465 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.559 and open up a hole. But you need everybody else to kind of 466 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:51.640 work out on that because those concepts that they're getting to aren't really concepts where 467 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.559 most most of the guys on those concepts can't completely fail their block. You 468 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.599 can lose the block, you can lose it slow, you could lose leverage, 469 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.839 but you can't lose so bad a guy crossed your face and you don't 470 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.960 even have a hand on him anymore. So that felt like the big issue 471 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:12.680 against Pittsburgh last time was that Alex Kappa would lose across his face to Keanu 472 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.400 Benton. The tight ends and wide receivers didn't give him anything in the run 473 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.200 blocking department. Which I also think that the Higgins is probably their best blocking 474 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.400 receiver and he missed that game, so he'll be in this one. So 475 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.519 maybe you can use him to dig some guys out that they weren't able to 476 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:29.400 do last time. I probably even without Chase, try to throw on a 477 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.279 little bit of motion, sprinkle ins, a little bit of eye candy in 478 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.319 there. Yeah, just go away from that. You have to, just 479 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.680 because I don't think that the spine, especially the linebackers and safeties for Pittsburgh 480 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.039 are going to be a strong suit. So you give him a little something 481 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.519 to look the wrong way. They might take it, especially without Minca, 482 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.680 like Mink would be a guy like I don't think he's going to fall for 483 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.160 that. But now the other guys, yeah, and Minka might not even 484 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.200 play, so I think, well, I think that he's been I think 485 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.519 sure, I think it would be very surprising if he plays. Okay, 486 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.079 But you know, let's mess with their eyes. Let's hit the angles. 487 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.039 Let's kind of work this so that it's the angles work out. Your running 488 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.440 back is going to have to find reads on a lot of these plays, 489 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:14.279 so you can use brown or mix, and I think more brown would make 490 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.599 sense in this game to just try to generate an explosive in there. For 491 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.359 if this all hits, he's hitting open field against the backup safety and he 492 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.000 might be able to make that guy miss and go for a huge game. 493 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.480 One of the most impressive plays for Chase Brown, and I mentioned this I 494 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.759 think on the post game show was running through the cameraon Binden tackle on the 495 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:37.480 screen early in the game personnel too, that was two running backs. Just 496 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.440 just love seeing that power from him because I didn't really see a ton of 497 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:45.480 that in his game prior to the last couple of weeks, So nice to 498 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.039 see that element coming along. The last thing I'll say then we're going to 499 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:51.319 get out of here is I've been really impressed with the coaching staff the last 500 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.680 few weeks, finding answers, finding the right levers to pool at the right 501 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.480 times, and that includes on the defensive side of the ball. That includes 502 00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.799 on the defensive side of the ball against some vikings. I thought that Luna 503 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:05.119 Room for the most part, not always because you're not always going to be 504 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.239 right as a defensive coordinator, but I thought he mostly called a pretty good 505 00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:14.000 game and then just didn't really get the execution he needed out of some guys 506 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.960 on the field at some times. And then justin Jefferson just went berserk at 507 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:21.800 times where you know, Mullins would float a ball out there to Jordan Addison 508 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.840 that turned into two touchdowns that were two of the stupidest touchdown passes I've ever 509 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.199 seen, and some of that's execution right, Like you have a chance to 510 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.320 make plays on the ball or to at least make a tackle there for Jermaine 511 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.840 Pratt and for DJ Turner, and DJ Turner had a game that he's going 512 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.480 to need to learn from and improve from. But I did think that on 513 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.440 both sides of all the coaching staffs have found some pretty good answers and have 514 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.639 called some pretty good games lately. But that's going to do it. For 515 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.559 this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 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