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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Thank you, mister Bob Dean, that gentlemen who

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will be speaking at the UFO Congress, which we are frantically putting together now

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that it's the last minute and it
will start in like two days. Actually

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tomorrow will be the beginning of the
film festival where we'll watch some films and

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judge them. And the craziness though, has already started for us here at

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open Minds as we put on the
largest UFO conference in the known universe.

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Of course, all we know of
the universe is our little planet be a

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kajillion people meeting in Zebta Reticuli right
now for a UFO conference, But we

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are unaware of that, or at
least have no evidence to prove that such

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a conference exists. But we do
know the UFO conference exists, and in

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fact you can go there to prove
it. We have a wonderful, magnificent,

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brilliant show today. It's going to
be a lot of fun. We

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have on Stan Romanic and I think
you've heard of this gentleman, because we've

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talked to him about or about him. We've talked to him and about him

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on the show many times before.
He is the author of the book Messages,

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which chronicles his life as an abductee. Romanequs experiences began with the video

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recording of some incredible mass UFO sightings. Although he was a skeptic at the

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time, he began having strange dreams
and physiological effects such as and you may

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have heard of this, and if
you're an abductee, you've seen it first

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firsthand. But you know the scoop
marks that abductees get sometimes say, fluoresce

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under luminescence, and he's had lots
of that fluorescing, which I've seen firsthand

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with my own eyes. So all
of this has led him to believe he

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is most likely dealing with extra terrestrials, and we'll be talking about that.

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And a lot of strange experiences have
continued. It's actually kind of slowed down

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a little bit, but it kind
of comes in peaks and valleys, but

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it's gotten very strange, and we
will talk about that and the second book

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that he is planning right now.
So that's a lot of fun, and

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I forgot I'm supposed to be trying
to use my English accent, and I

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actually have a story behind this accent. See, it's harder to do when

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you're not having like an English gas
like Nick Pope or Rosshamsurce, because then

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you can hear their force and you
can try to colpy what they're saying,

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or if you watch Harry Potter maybe
after that you can do I've never been

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that good at it, I don't
think. But we have an English gentleman

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who likes it when I do my
impression, so I wanted to do that

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for him and thank him for his
kind words and for listening to the show.

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Actually, when I started radio,
because I was so dang embarrassed about

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doing radio, I was real shy
about it. I started as Jonathan Smithe

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the weather Man, full of the
News, and so I do the weather

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at their college news station as Jonathan
Smythe and I remember the news lady was

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asked, who's that Australian guy you
have on your show? But it wasn't

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in Australian, it was me,
And now I feel like the Wallaby.

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What was that? Rock O the
Wolloby. Also related to the UFO Congress

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is a spectacular sponsor that we have
and they're giving away an incredible prize.

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And I talked about this a little
bit, but I wanted to mention them

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again because we're so happy about their
participation in patient in the Congress. And

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that is the UFO Tour Group Top
Secret Tours. They go through Arizona,

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New Mexico, visiting space places where
there are UFO kind of events and things

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going on or have in the past. And the prize that they're giving away

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at the conference is a fourteen day
all inclusive tour where you get to go

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to Los Alamos White Sands, the
place where they blew up the first atomic

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bomb. You get to go to
Roswell, New Mexico, where there's this

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little UFO crash. You get to
go visit the meteor crater. You get

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to go to Sedona and the Grand
Canyon, and so a lot of wonderful,

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mysterious places. So that will be
a lot of fun. So we're

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kind of delirious at this point with
all the work we've done and the late

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nights and kind of the tedious envelope
filling and badge printing, and I hope

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we didn't get really cheap envelope.
Yes, I just saw the episode of

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Seinfeld where George's fiance passed away from
licking the cheap envelopes. But now we

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don't do anything cheap around here.
And if you go to the Congress,

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you're gonna be blown away via our
incredible posters and signs and videos and just

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a lot of cool, upscale stuff
that people are not usually used to.

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You can still get in, you
know, come to the door would be

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the best way. But twenty thirty
two to twenty seventh at the Radison Fort

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McDowell. Of course, we've talked
about that, you know, come join

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us, check out some speakers.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Stand Romanick is going to be there, so we'll talk about that. But

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before we get to that, let
us bring on another incredible person who you

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will be able to meet at the
Congress, and that is our news correspondent

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and he shares some of the latest
news with us every week. Welcome Jason

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McClellan. Hey, Hey, greetings
everyone. This is your Open Minds News

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Brief for Monday, February twenty first
two, thy eleven NASA just unveiled designs

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for a reusable man deep spacecraft that
they are calling Nautilus X. And I

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wonder how long these guys took huddled
in a room trying to come up with

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a way to use that name,
right, because it's kind of it's silly.

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I like it, but it's a
little forest. It seems that Nautilus

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X stands for non atmospheric Universal Transport
intended for lengthy United States exploration. Well,

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you know, maybe it's because it's
Star Trek. But they seem really

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pressed to come up with great names
for their different projects. Because they you

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know, these names, you can
tell they've tried to come up with something

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catchy and everything, probably for marketing
purposes, And here they've done it again,

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Nautilus X. I'd probably do the
same thing. I like the name

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nottlest X. The craft would be
assembled from bandable structures like the inflatable habitats

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being developed by bige Low Aerospace.
The design of the craft will allow it

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to be modified based on mission specific
needs. For example, engines and fuel

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will be able to be swapped out
depending on the destination of each mission.

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Construction is projected to take at least
five years and would cost approximately three point

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seven billion dollars. And I know
that NASA and Bigelow have been in talks

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about working together, and I'm not
sure if this is specifically working with big

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Low, though they do mention that
the expandable structures would be like those that

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Bigelow is developing well, and they
can take a queue. Three point seven

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billion dollars is nothing, nothing charge
for a ride. Oh yeah, they

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can have that money in a heartbeat
if they charge a million bucks to seat

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and boom, they got it.
We're on the Nautilus again. Super exciting

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that we're in a day and age
where we're actually talking about spacecraft that we

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may see. What they need to
do is they need to partner up with

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Virgin Galactic or space x in one
of these other companies and have them sell

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tickets or tell rides and have this
be one of their destinations. You can

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stop and visit the very nautilus X
Oh man, I'm there and see this

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is a great, great idea for
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weeks before about about you know,
bases on the moon and things like that.

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To have a place from which you
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like Star Trek. You know,
if you see them, they're building the

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enterprise in space, building this thing
in space, then you don't have to

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worry about it. And this Nautilus
X is for deep space missions and my

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thought thinking Star Trek is deep space
nine. You know, they even got

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this thing out in deep space where
the ships go refuel and then head right

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further. How exciting They're on their
way. We're on our way. We're

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on our ways at a reticulus.
We're coming to abduct you. You're crazy.

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Actually, I just want to say
hi, I am not like a

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violent type. I know. Don't
try to well fool people there. Extraterrestrials

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from several different planets crash landed at
a school in England recently. At least

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that's what the students at Bishop King
Primary School were told. The incident is

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yet another instance a teachers at a
UK school fabricating a UFO crash on school

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grounds to encourage creative writing and imaginative
thinking among students. Local police participated in

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the event, performing a mock investigation
and making themselves available to answer students' questions.

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Students were required to document the wreckage
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Part of the simulation included performing arts
students stressed as extraterrestrial beings. Students were

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required to interact with these beings,
and they did so by showing the visitors

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around school and attempting to teach them
reading and writing. See, that's what

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it teas. That's why they should
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they land at a school, they'll
have these very nice students to walk them

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around the school that they can talk
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they can go home. Why don't
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it looked like they were having a
good time. The kids were happy

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to show them around. They were
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Yeah, that'd be fun. Instead
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But you know, we've talked about
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past year. Different several examples of
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UK and in England, but schools. I don't know if all these teachers

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went to the same conference or something
they said do this for your creative writing.

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But I find it fascinating that not
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write about this, experience, but
they're also sort of walking them through the

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investigation process, having them, you
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And yeah, it's cool and it's
very open, of course to the idea

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of I'm wondering these real reason behind
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that, you know, and I
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the Poles say, and especially they're
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we've seen some polls where people really
believe in UFOs, even though a lot

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of people are afraid to talk about
it. They believe that we're experiencing extraterrestrial

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visitation. So I think probably a
lot of these teachers are open to the

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idea and then introduce that into their
curriculum, at least in a way that

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is acceptable to people. Get the
idea started and get kids ready. Yeah,

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now their students will be more prepared, that's right. So, in

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a somewhat related story, when we
make contact, how will we communicate with

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extraterrestrial life? You know, you
see on TV and in movies all of

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the extraterrestrial beings conveniently speak English.
Yeah, but who knows if that will

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actually be the case. And Americans
get really mad when people come to our

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country and don't speak English. That's
right. We are not going to learn

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your language, learn ours. We're
lazy. Yeah, Well, researchers in

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Florida are practicing on dolphins. Dolphins
have large, sophisticated brains, and a

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recent article and Wired magazine point that
pointed out they have complex social structures,

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form alliances, share duties, and
display personalities. The researchers in Florida created

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an open ended framework for communication using
sounds, symbols, and props to interact

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with the dolphins, with the goal
of establishing a shared primitive language. According

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to the lead researcher, the study
is the first of its kind because nobody

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has tried to establish two way communication
in the wild. Lawrence Doyle the SETI

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Institute recently commented, we've been waiting
for contact for years, but we're not

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ready. We can't even speak to
intelligent animals on Earth. And that's a

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really good point. Yeah, I
love that study. I think it's a

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really smart way to go. It's
worthwhile, and of course I'm an animal

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lover, but it's cool to see. You know, we've been able to

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do sign language with different primates,
which is extraordinary. So who knows what

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the possibilities are. I think it's
a great place to start. I mean,

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I think in our search for extraterrestrial
intelligence that kind of gets overlooked.

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We think when they come here,
that's great. Then we wonder what they're

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going to be like all list but
the communication thing is something that not a

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lot of people think of. First, how are we going to communicate?

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Of course, many of our listeners
feel that we're already being visited, But

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what if we do become space faring
and then we come across more primitive cultures,

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how will we then try to communicate
with them? Right? And a

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lot of the contact right now,
you hear people saying they talk about telepathic

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communication and things like that, but
what about people who don't maybe have to

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do that, aren't capable mentally,
or you know, we have no idea

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how it works, so just a
general communication. You know those times to

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where you turn around and I'm across
down the hall staring at the back of

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your head intently. It kind of
creeps you out. I'm trying to telepathically

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communicate and it hasn't worked yet.
Oh, I hear everything you're saying.

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I really, yes, it's great. I think I found that's the best

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way to deal with you, Alejandro. Maybe that's what everybody else is doing.

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It's possible when I'm at the mall
and people turn around look at me

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funny because I'm staring at him intently
trying to telepathically communicate, and they run

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call security and I gotta leave.
I think people hear exactly what you're saying.

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People are afraid of you ignoring me. That's okay. They'll get to

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know you someday, Alejandro. Yeah, you know the news. The artwork

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of a New Jersey resident was displayed
last week at a Jersey City art gallery.

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The artist David Huggins didn't just display
his artwork, but also shared his

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stories behind the paintings, stories of
personal alien abduction experiences. Huggins claims that

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extraterrestrial beings began interacting with him at
the young age of eight years old,

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and contact has continued throughout his life. In his painting titled The Packaged Gray,

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a gray alien woman is depicted holding
an alien human hybrid baby inside a

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container. According to Huggins, this
baby is just one of more than sixty

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hybrid children he fathered with. The
depicted alien woman The artist draws upon his

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training from the Art Student League and
Hunter College in New York City to share

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his experiences with the world. His
art show was called UFO Abductee Experiences Exhibition.

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I think that this is it's cool
in the way that someone who quite

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possibly could have been having these experiences
expressing it in a protective way and probably

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helping him emotionally spinning for our guest
today who feels he's got similar experiences happening.

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But I gotta say I like his
art for the patrol of what's going

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on. But he could take an
art class or two. We did.

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Oh well, he went to school
for this, But yes, I think

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he could more. School couldn't hurt, but I guess I would. Any

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art that I think I can do
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I know I'm a terrible artist.
I believe I have some of your art

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on my desk right now, my
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Well, maybe it's not as bad
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it's worth something to me. Well, I'm sorry, mister Clegg,

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yourself or Higgins. Maybe we are
artists. I didn't realize it. Everyone's

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an artist. Lejandro in news about
Gary McKinnon. Janis sharp. His mother

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is demanding to meet with Deputy Deputy
Prime Minister Nick Clegg. Sharpe told William

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Hatzel Times I've written to him at
his constituency and at Parliament to ask for

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a meeting with him. Sharpe wants
to urge Clegg to honor the pledge he

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made before his election to stop McKinnon's
extradition to the US. According to Wellwhen

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had Full Times, one of Clegg's
representatives stated, I can confirm the Deputy

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Prime Minister has received the letter and
will respond in due course. McKinnon,

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of course, is wanted by the
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searching for evidence of UFOs more than
a decade ago. Yeah. What I

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think is interesting is really right now
it seems to be because I wrote the

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story on it recently for our upcoming
magazine, is that they're afraid to tell

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America no, we're or declined we're
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is adamant about taking it, you
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to be the issue. They're not
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what would happen if they did.
I don't know sure that's what they're discussing,

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because they are reviewing their extradition policy
in well, another deblying just passed

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because they were supposed to make a
determined nation. The Home Secretary just this

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last I think last month, because
she had a year. So there's total

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silence over this case. And while
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and they were supposed to make another
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saying no. I don't think anything would

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happen if they did. But yeah, it's not like we had send stealth

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bombers out to England or anything.
Well, or sometimes jerks, we might.

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But but perhaps the biggest news,
not perhaps definitely the biggest news of

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the week is the International UFO Congress. What about Jeff Peckman. What about

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Jeff Pechman? Did we talk about
that last day? We talked about that

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last week? Oh yeah, I
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the National UFO Congress is bigger news. That's big news. There are tons

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of speakers we have lined up,
fantastic speakers. Listen to all of these

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people who are going to be there
a Lejandro Rainbow Eagle. Yes, AJ

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say his last name for me,
Jevalar, Jevalar? Who told you that's

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how he says his name? Antonio? He chastised you. No, I

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I I've heard people say it too, but of course Antonio knows thirty two

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languages so he could say it better. But right, I've always called him

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Gavard to his face. I know
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until I met with the you know, our international ufologists. Well, AJ

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will certainly be there, John Alexander, Michael Schratt, Carol Rosen, Robert

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Dean, Lloyd Pye, Kathleen Martin. Our guest today, Stan Romaneck,

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George Feiler, Richard Dolan, David
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Linda Moulton Howe with James Penn,
James Kenniston and John Burrows, Jim Mars,

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Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, Paul
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Don Schmidt, Francis Barwood, Nick
Pope, Antonio Juneus and we also

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have experiencer sessions with Barbara Lamb,
The SkyWatch with Jeff Willis, The Cocktail

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Party, with live jazz, a
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full of wonderful vendors. And you
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And I love the name of the
band, Alejandro's Friends. Yep, my

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buddies, that's the name of the
band. Oh no, that's not the

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name of Oh they'll probably change it
soon, but probably. Oh. The

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name of the band is Captain Squeegee. Yep. And they are thrilled to

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play, and they plan to have
projectors set up and they'll be showing some

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interesting UFO footage as they play.
Cool. So it should be a good

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time as long as the weather holds
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going to be great. And you
know one guy I haven't had on the

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show which people are really interested in
seeing is Lloyd Pie. I mean,

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we got a lotter requests. You
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so we are. And he has, if people aren't familiar with him,

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this skull that he's been researching and
it's a very strange shape and he's

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researching the DNA and he believes that
he may be onto demonstrating that it has

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more than human DNA and he might
be able to prove that he's got the

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skull of a human extraterrestrial hybrid.
I'm excited to see White play yeah in

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a scientific way. Well, I'm
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excited for everything at the Congress.
This is going to be an extremely exciting

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event. And Alejandro and I might
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I might pass by. Yeah,
We'll be slaving away, slaving the

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whole time. And I'm excited to
see because we've got so many great submissions

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at the film festival, who's gonna
win, Because it's gonna be a lot

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of fun to give away the They've
been sitting here in the office for a

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while. Our EBE awards, the
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but I'm ineligible. You could quit
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could, and I'm tempted to because
these things are so cool. So they're

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very cool. And I'm also then
excited too about the other awards, yes,

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or other researcher awards. Those are
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the Congress this year, So our
Saturday night banquet and awards ceremony is gonna

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be a pretty excellent night. And
the conference is gonna start off with a

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bang. This is really cool because
I was gonna do a year in review,

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you know, to start off the
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with Tom Ruff and our video producer
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much you want to know. On
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and more ex and he put together
an incredible, like fifteen minute little less

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than fifteen minute video with all the
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And it's amazing to see how much
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with us over the last year.
I'm really excited about that. Well,

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that is a is a bang,
A good way to start it off.

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I thought you were talking about a
confetti gun or no. No, Well

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I'm a little letdown, but I'm
still excited to see the video. Well,

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this is going to be better than
the confetti gun. Buddy, excellent.

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Well, everyone, that is it
for the news. You remember to

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check out these stories and more at
openminds dot tv, your source for UFO

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related news. I am Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and

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you've been briefed back to you Alejandro. Thank you, Jason, and just

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to let you all know. Of
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pretty pretty pretty busy with this conference, so we don't have a whole lot

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of feature articles up, but we
do have some cool stuff, and of

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course jas And puts up daily news
articles. So about everything we talked about

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here, you can find out a
lot more information and also more information about

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Jeff Peppin and his bid for mayor
of Denver and his whole campaign, which

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looks kind of cool. So he's
got a lot of stuff going on there,

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so that's going to be a lot
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as Jason said, the Congress is
the big focus for us right now,

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since we have little time to do
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I think is interesting and what we're
seeing more is there is an article from

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Science and Religion that we posted today, and they're posting more and more articles

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kind of about extraterrestrials and belief in
that sort of things. And in this

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article they actually spoke specifically on paranormal
beliefs and why some beliefs are more attractive

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to males while other two females,
which is kind of interesting as a paranormal

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researcher. There's no doubt that females
always seem to be more interested in ghosty

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type stuff and ghost research and then
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is more kind of male oriented.
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there's I've heard certain guys that get
into ghost hunting just to meet girls,

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and that's probably what I should have
done, but instead I've gone into et

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hunting and that's been a lot of
fun, but I have not met the

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girl of my dreams in et hunting
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going on. This is kind of
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But ABC wrote about this documentary and
I might have talked about it kind

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of a debunking documentary, and it's
worked. It was centered around this guy

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named Leroy Tessina who was a paranormal
researcher type of guy, and they followed

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him around and the producers of this
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him these guys in Roswell and I
think they interviewed Maureen even but luckily or

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hopefully she didn't make it into the
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like kind of we suspected, it
was a total debunking thing, and it

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was if you read what this guy
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really they didn't get into any real
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America, but they spelled god ga
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so that if you run across this
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to watch, that that is one
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not cool at all. So that's
some of what's been going on with why

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we haven't gotten some stories up.
But I think I told you guys all

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about last week. Also some Costa
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he's kind of our South American specialist, and some of the pictures and stuff

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that he wrote in his story.
It's pretty cool because he was able to,

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you know, go find some information
that has been written about in Spanish

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but never in English before, and
then translate that. So there are some

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cases such as a case with some
police officers who had a sighting and the

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picture that they drew and the report
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all on here, and it's really, as far as we know, I

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think the first time that these cases
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otherwise they've been kind of around.
The Spanish speaking community has been aware

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of these, so it's kind of
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pictures from the newspapers that were posted
and you can see that, and they

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have some cool graphics and then some
of the actual people in places that these

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events took place. So that's a
cool story to check out. But without

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further ado, let's go ahead and
bring on our guest, the one and

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only Stan Romanek. Are you there, Hello, Stan, Yeah hear me.

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Yeah, I can he hear me. I can hear you. Can

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you see me? Because I can't
see you you can't see me? Well,

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I'm not sure the video part,
where we're just for the listeners,

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We're going to try to get some
video on here so you'll be able to

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see Stan if you look on the
uh, if you're watching on the video

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at Open Minds. But we're just
testing that so it may just be audio,

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and at least for now it'll be
audio. I don't know if we'll

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be able to get you to be
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I'm really not doing anything that interesting, just sitting here talking. I thought

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you there for a minute, then
he disappeared. Oh really yeah. Cool.

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Well they'll work on it. Hopefully
they'll get that so you'll be able

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to see me. So how you
doing. They're good, getting ready for

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this big conference up there where you
guys are. Yeah, should be really

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exciting. I mean, we have
a lot of people signed up, a

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lot of vendors. We're really excited
about it. We should have a lot

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of people. And you have some
surprises. I do. So you got

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your new book coming out and that's
what you're going to talk about. Huh.

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Yeah. I've got actually two books
coming out. I've got my second

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book, which is going to be
messages I mean, excuse me answers,

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and man, I've got the Oriyan
regressions, the famous regressions that I've talked

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about briefly that they're going to be
put in transcripts and release to the public.

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You know, I think that will
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these were the regressions that were done
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Yeah, so I can tell the
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was there for some of them,
and the information, like you said,

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was pretty incredible. I thought it
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just some of the things that happened, the physical stuff that happened, especially

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in the last regression I did.
It's pretty impressive actually, and I'm going

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to show about stuff at the conference. I think people will be pretty fascinated

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by it. Cool. So and
that's something to get into. Well,

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let's let's back up just a little
bit, do a little bit of talking

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about your situation for those who might
not know much about you. Like I

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said earlier, this whole thing started
when you filmed some UFO videos, some

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pretty impressive masks UFO signings. Yes. Well, I met my wife online,

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as you know, in around Deceummer
twenty seven, two thousand. She

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lived in Nebraska. I lived in
Colorado, and I wanted to commend entice

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her to come visit me. So
I thought i'd send her a care pack

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because I was going to video take
the surrounding area about the rocky video take

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that. And it was a beautiful
summer afternoon, actually it was right about

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noon, I mean not summer winter
afternoon. And you know, I went

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the back roads up to the mountains
and I noticed some people had pulled off

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to the side of the road,
and must have been thirty forty cards or

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so, and they were looking south
above some pewer lines that rocked my left

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and I looked up to see what
they were looking at. I thought first

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of some kind of strange hot air
balloon. Then as they got closer,

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I realized it was actually a solid
object. And when I got even closer,

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it just it was a UFO.
And I didn't believe in this stuff.

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me, luckily, and because atays

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got believing unless i'd get some footage
of this thing. So that's how it

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all started, yep and so and
then since then you got more video,

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and then of course then had physical
effects, and with you you remembered things

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that had happened to you or interactions
prior to being regressed. I you know,

405
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.680
it not like if people watch television
a lot, they'll see these news

406
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.440
programs and they always have the same
people say the same thing. It's sleep

407
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:14.039
paralysis. But you know that doesn't
account for like Travis walden Abody in Barney

408
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:19.720
Hill or myself. I was awake
with my first abduction experience, I remembered

409
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.759
everything. And I also you know, as a child, Yeah, I

410
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.880
had stuff happened, but I didn't
really think about it until my first UFO

411
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.519
side. You know, I started
putting pieces together. It's like, oh

412
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:34.000
wow, that that I guess that
really happened. So, you know,

413
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.519
I remember most everything, you know, which is not very typical of what

414
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:43.920
you hear about abduction scene areas,
so apparently are different, right. And

415
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:53.480
then to kind of set the stage
for this piece, you later underwent regressions

416
00:33:53.680 --> 00:34:01.119
and the information that came out was, you know, I felt certainly different

417
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:06.519
than what you normally say or do. But with you when you do this

418
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:13.159
regressions like with doctor Sprinkle, youth, what is what is it like for

419
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.840
you? Well, with normal regressions
and with the ones was doctor Sprinkle,

420
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.119
those were not normal, as you
won't know, and I'll talk about that

421
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:29.920
more detail at their conference. When
you go under a regression, it's not

422
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.400
like you know, people can it's
not like what you see on TV.

423
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.559
They can't control your mind. They
can't make you, you know, unless

424
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.320
you want to buck like a chicken. It's like it's almost like you're in

425
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:44.079
a deep daydream. Basically, that's
kind of to me what it feels like.

426
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.719
It's set and I'll set this up
a little bit better. I was

427
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.960
being regressed in the beginning by a
person named Gavera Lemon is very you know,

428
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:58.320
very accomplished typnotherapist, and there was
the last time I was regressed by

429
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.599
her. Something happened, and it's
scared. Both Deborah and Lisa was there,

430
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.559
and I honestly didn't remember a thing, which is typically not how regressions

431
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:15.599
worked. Usually you can remember most
everything. Something happened. My mannerism has

432
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.440
changed, my voice changed, And
it was just for a minute or two,

433
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.880
but it was enough to scare Devora
Linnenmann to the point where she just

434
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.480
brought me right out of regression.
She didn't know how to deal with it.

435
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.079
Well, I stumbled down to doctor
Leo Sprinkle, who's you know,

436
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.880
everybody knows and if you don't know, this man is incredible. He's famous,

437
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:45.920
he's very renowned hypnotherapist, University of
Wyoming psychologist. The guy is good

438
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.559
if ye as I mean, it's
just a sweetheart too. Well we we

439
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:55.760
got hooked up with doctor Leo Sprinkle
and yeah, by you actually that's right,

440
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.559
thank you, ole hon do I
gotta tell you I learn Yeah,

441
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.920
he is a sweet guy, and
yeah, you got it sipped up for

442
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:09.760
sure. And so he did a
regression and something happened again. This time

443
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.599
he just let it happen. And
honestly, I thought I was under for

444
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.559
about ten minutes, and when I
came out of it with no memory,

445
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:24.880
I was under for a few hours
and something happened. And I don't want

446
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:29.599
to ruin the punchline and give you
the punchline because I want to talk about

447
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:34.119
it at the conference, but it
was trust me, it was astonishing.

448
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:42.199
Oh you've been there. You know
what I think is funny is well well,

449
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.559
and you know, of course a
lot of people take this subject and

450
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:52.039
abductions very serious, and I understand
that. But of course one way that

451
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.559
your family is able to deal with
it and those of us close to you,

452
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:04.719
is of course by adding some humor
to it. So you have to.

453
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:06.760
You know, people always asking me, well, how do you deal

454
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.800
with this stuff? You make fun
of it, you laugh at it.

455
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.599
You have to, because that's all
really the only way you stay sane.

456
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.199
I mean, all the things we've
experienced, we name them. You know,

457
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.760
everybody that's involved in my case,
and you know, you know,

458
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.000
one of the top researchers involved in
my case. While you want to tell

459
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:29.519
you Arizona. But you know,
they become family, you know, they

460
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.360
That's another thing that makes my case
so different when people need to understand is

461
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.519
most of the stuff that seems to
happen, especially lately, only seems to

462
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.719
happen when there's people around, so
you know, they gets involved, gets

463
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:47.119
to experience off. Yeah. Well, and that's one important thing I think

464
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:54.119
a unique aspect to your case,
which I think is important to it.

465
00:37:54.239 --> 00:38:00.880
And you know a lot of what
I used to do when involved with your

466
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.599
case. I used to tell people
who were my friends or who were associates,

467
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.639
who were investigators to go out and
to meet with you and your family,

468
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:13.480
because you guys are very open to
having people come out. And of

469
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:20.920
course then people such as Chatsukowski or
some other people did go out there and

470
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.679
hang out with you, and of
course then they, along with me and

471
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:31.320
others, experienced some of this stuff
along with you and your family. Exactly

472
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:36.519
know it continues even to this day, you know Scotten, so you know

473
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.800
it's it happened so much anymore that
would become kind of blossly about it,

474
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.360
and I think that sometimes puts people
off. For example, we have some

475
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.559
investigators over oh last year, and
there was a big event that happened and

476
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:57.440
it freaks them out. I mean
it really upset them. I thinks,

477
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.760
all, what can you do?
Ye? And I guess just to explain

478
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:07.880
to people, I mean even something
as simple as as simple because yeah,

479
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.800
you know, I'm even blase about
somethings such as UFO sidings. Of course

480
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.559
that's exciting. There some people who
haven't had sightings who would like to have

481
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:22.079
sightings. I was that way for
a long time until I began to have

482
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:27.320
my own sightings. And now I've
had sightings, including sightings around you all,

483
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.679
and a lot of people have sightings
around you and your family, and

484
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.320
that's something where yeah, a lot
of people get the help people react even

485
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:45.840
to something like that is sometimes they're
fearful, sometimes they're excited, and sometimes

486
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.519
they don't understand when people are blase
about those kind of things well, and

487
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.079
sometimes they don't believe it and thinks
you're yank in their chain. And you

488
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:59.239
know, as you know, this
is a tough to be end because there's

489
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.800
so many people. And I've realized
now you know, I was a skeptic.

490
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.440
Why is a skeptic such a skeptic? And I can tell you,

491
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.960
it's mostly because of fear, because
they don't you know, they live in

492
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:14.559
this little bubble and if anything upsets
that little bubble, it freaks them out.

493
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.920
And that's what happened to me.
So understand, you know, there

494
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:21.880
have been some really mean people saying
really new thing, but I have to

495
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.840
understand that they're probably terrified to know
that this is real. But guess what,

496
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.079
you and I both know that absolutely, one hundred percent this is real.

497
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.639
How can it not be? Well? And that's a good question.

498
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.920
I think that could be something that
could be helpful to others too, is

499
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:44.039
how you deal with the fear because
I know, being even when you asked

500
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.800
me to be part of the case
at the beginning and I was able to

501
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:55.000
come out after an event, the
fear that you all experience and you personally

502
00:40:55.159 --> 00:41:02.000
have towards all of this. At
the beginning, you were certainly fearful.

503
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.679
Do you think that fear has tapered
off or are you still pretty absolutely?

504
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.119
And I remember the first time you
came out, how you could fall asleep.

505
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.280
You were so scared. So yeah, so that's you know, that's

506
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:22.239
that's what happened. But I'm sharing
that, Yeah, you were lost out

507
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.679
there. So see, that's because
you know you're shooting, and that's part

508
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.400
of being human. People are what
they don't understand. But when they understand

509
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:31.880
it and they realize it's not going
to hurt them, and they realize it's

510
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:36.480
been around for thousands and millions of
years, maybe it's just a part of

511
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.800
who we are. You know.
They have to start getting used to think

512
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.000
you're changing, think they're shifting,
and if they don't catch up soon,

513
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.599
they're gonna be left behind. Well, who, how did you deal with

514
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:52.840
that though? How did you move
from that state of more fearful to less

515
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.119
fearful? What are were some of
the milestones or people or places or things

516
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.000
that helped you along the way.
Well, honestly, I lucked out with

517
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.920
my wife because my wife believes in
this stuff than I do. And it

518
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.760
really it took me a few years
to come to terms with it. But

519
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.000
after it happened over and over again
and there were so many witnesses, it's

520
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.239
like, well, so it's real, Now what do I do? And

521
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.760
then you just work it through and
honestly make fun of it, laugh about

522
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.239
it, understand that it's probably a
natural part of this existence. Whatever this

523
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.840
existence is and try to learn from
it, because when you learn then it's

524
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:36.280
not a mystery, then it's not
scary. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely

525
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:40.000
felt like when I first met you
and just to talk to Lisa, who

526
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:45.800
you're referring to as your wife,
and she is just an amazing person.

527
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.320
Just it's such a grounded and stable
person who, yeah, brings humor and

528
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.000
is a very motherly type of person. And I think anybody who knows you

529
00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:00.400
for a while thinks that, wow, Stan probably would have gone raving mad

530
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.599
if it wasn't for a last to
be there to help him out. So

531
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:12.039
right, thank goodness you had her. But what would you advise to people

532
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:17.519
who feel they're going through abduction experiences
how to deal with the situation seek other

533
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:23.840
people who are going through the experiences. I don't know for most people,

534
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:30.519
but for me it helped me to
find out what I wasn't feeling they were

535
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.320
because there's an element of loneliness to
this. One of the things about being

536
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.320
and I don't like to say abductions, there are various types of experiences.

537
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:45.320
Some people are truly abductive, it's
very scary, very terrifying, and some

538
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:52.239
people have what I call contact I've
had both, and looking back, if

539
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.079
like, you know, at least
a couple of them I think might have

540
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.480
even been military, because it was
about just trying to scare the heck out

541
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.440
of me. If I look back, and you know, some of the

542
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.239
other ones seemed very polite. They
didn't want to hurt me. They went

543
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:09.639
into trying to make me look paid. You know, you know, seek

544
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:15.920
out people who are having experiences and
talk to them and try to get involved

545
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:28.239
with no local real organizations. Leah
Sprinkle and and Debora Lindeman, do you

546
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:34.760
recommend or did you find any pitfalls
when it comes to working with therapists that

547
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.960
are open to this and help people
with it. Well, you know,

548
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:44.599
things are definitely changing. I when
I when this first happened, I honestly

549
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.360
thought it easier for me to be
start writing mad than to deal with the

550
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:53.559
reality that this agree. And I
tried to make it. I tried to

551
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.440
while I basically tried to find out
if I was crazy, and they kept

552
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.639
saying, no, no, you're
not, you have some post traumatic stress

553
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.239
that sort of that that's about it. So really the best thing to do

554
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.679
is try to fight somebody within the
field itself, because if you go off

555
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.519
to your local psychologists and say,
look, I'm being abducted by aliens.

556
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.360
That's going to freak them out because
they're only human also and they don't want

557
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.039
their reality bubble verst so they might
say, Okay, well this got is

558
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:30.079
psychotic or whatever, when the reality
is you really are having experiences. Unfortunately,

559
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.559
there are some especially in the UFO
fields. Even I don't know this

560
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:37.280
all your hongo, there's some necases
out there, and there's some people that

561
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.960
just want attention. I don't understand
it, but I've met a few of

562
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.400
them. So you know, if
you are truly having experiences, trying to

563
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.360
seek somebody out within the field to
help you deal with it, because if

564
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.920
he's outside of the field, then
you'll get rid of uled even by you

565
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:01.480
are professionals. Now, have there
been time now that I know you are

566
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:09.239
hesitant and you've been careful to not
mention your experiences with things like doctors because

567
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.920
you've had some of these physical effects
that we've talked about. And sure,

568
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:20.760
like you've said, people are human
and they get worried. But are there

569
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:27.079
situations have you been surprised at times
when there have been people that have been

570
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.239
open to your experience. Yeah,
oh yeah, my doctor. Now,

571
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:38.760
I had something happen not too long
ago, and my doctor finally admitted to

572
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:44.639
me he knew who I was.
He actually read my book, really and

573
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.800
he was completely open to it.
And I was born. I was thinking

574
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:51.880
I was looking at least aliver in
the doctor's office, because by the way,

575
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:53.480
Stan, I know who you are. But oh no, I'm gonna

576
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:58.199
have to change doctors. And honestly, he's been the biggest help. He's

577
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:02.159
helped me figure out stuff. He
ain't help me to figure out if things

578
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.480
are normal or not normal. If
I have anything happened, I'm supposed to

579
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.280
go to him right away and help, you know, try to figure it

580
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:15.480
out. But I've got situations where, for instance, when I had the

581
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.559
implant in my hip removed, and
if you go to the and it was

582
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.000
listening, if they go to the
conference there, I was going to talk

583
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.760
about this. I went to normal
doctor, and you know, this was

584
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.960
back when I didn't really know much
about implants. I thought I just had

585
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.800
some kind of slither or something coming
out of my hip. And you know,

586
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.280
I didn't tell him what had happened
prior to that. I just wanted

587
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.639
to see what his reaction was.
And honestly it was priceless, you know,

588
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.400
because they couldn't explain what was going
on. So you know, they

589
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.440
came up with all these different things
it could be, but still they never

590
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.239
came their conclusion. Right, So
I'm type of playing to do it that

591
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.000
way. Yeah, we'll look to
him in like this situation a little closer.

592
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:09.559
So in this case, you had
woken up with scoop marks and on

593
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.280
your ship, and maybe you can
explain that. And then and they fluoresced,

594
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.320
So get into that a little bit. Well, I had been abducted

595
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:25.000
already once. Prior to this,
I had woken up outside by a crab

596
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.320
apple tree. Alve doors were locked
from the inside, despite books well locking

597
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.320
the inside. I could forgot how
I got outside. I was buckenheck and

598
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:37.119
twenty degree whether freezing. It took
me about a good twenty minutes half hours

599
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:42.000
plased in good hypothermia. I'm knocking
on the windows to get Lisa up to

600
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.280
let me in. Well, when
she did, we realized I had more

601
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.400
stoepmarts on my back and I had
a lump on my right hip. Well,

602
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.960
as you know, a year or
two passed, I had another experience

603
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:58.079
where I woke up in some somebody
else's clothing and I had free puncture marks

604
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.679
around that plunk in my hip.
And then maybe another six months seven months

605
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.280
later, something started coming out of
that lump like it felt like a piece

606
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.880
of glasses. It did hurt,
but it's like what in the world.

607
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:15.039
I kept picking at it and it
won't come out. Yeah, and then

608
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.039
I know at some point and at
what point did this happen where you put

609
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:24.320
a black light on it? And
oh yeah. When during my abduction experiences,

610
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:28.760
especially my first experience, my friend
Mark said, look, you know,

611
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.320
I was having a nervous dart guy. I really thought I was going

612
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.280
just beopy, and so he said, look, we need to get you

613
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.519
know this. I know this group
that might be able to help you.

614
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:43.800
They might give your answers. And
it ended up being locally Ability Organization and

615
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:45.800
they came over and they said,
well, if you've been abducted, you

616
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:51.639
know, and these are truly scoop
marked. Sometimes what'll happen is if you

617
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:53.440
turn on a black light up glass
in a black light, then he really

618
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.400
knows why. Well, sure enough
they turned on a black light and I

619
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.400
had scrape my knee and we shined
it on the straight light. My name

620
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.320
didn't do anything. But as soon
as they got to those scoop marks or

621
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.840
whatever they were, I went up
like a Christmas tree. And I gotta

622
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:08.800
tell you, it scared the heck
out of me. I mean, and

623
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.320
I've tried everything. I tried billow
pads, gasoline, you a partial me

624
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:15.920
or anything to try to get this
stuff off, and it will come off

625
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:23.239
just after about ninety eighty away.
So and then this mark on your hip,

626
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:29.280
the puncture marks. I just remember, we're in a triangle shape and

627
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:35.039
under the black light, they like
created lines and that met in the middle.

628
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.280
Yeah, exactly. So is really
weird. Yep, yep. And

629
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.320
the reason I mentioned that too is
just because that's such a weird thing and

630
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:49.920
it's something that I have witnessed.
I remember the first time I investigated,

631
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.159
you know, an event with you, because that was new to me,

632
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:57.840
first time seeing a fluorescing and of
course I tried to scrub this stuff off

633
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:05.960
with all kinds of different products or
things, and to show that whatever was

634
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.199
fluorescing was definitely under the skin.
Yeah, and you know it would come

635
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.119
off. So what do you do
do You just deal with this. It's

636
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:15.920
like with everything, you know,
you deal with this. Yeah, if

637
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:20.840
if this would happened to anybody,
you know, they they find a way

638
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.920
to deal with it, just like
I have. Well here's the question too.

639
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:27.599
I already know, you know,
because I've been around this, but

640
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.960
I think people would ask, well, if you have this fluorescing under your

641
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.760
skin, why don't you show a
doctor or hat Why don't you get it

642
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:38.840
examined? I did, in fact
everything. See, that's again, that's

643
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.960
one thing I worked out. I
have a lot of really amazing people involved

644
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.119
in my face in proving you when
you were involved, that helped me gather

645
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:52.039
all this evidence. And I have
boxing reams of it, you know,

646
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:59.679
and it's been said to you know, these various scientists and researchers and stuff.

647
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:04.199
Well, you know there's some of
the stuff I've gotten back. Are

648
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.920
you know, proteins that they can't
identify, you know, things that resemble

649
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:15.360
chemicals that are used for the vitual
fertilization, you know, all kinds of

650
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.960
this crazy stuff. Well, of
course, at times, and one of

651
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:25.239
the reasons I bring up with fluorescing
is that at least while we're with that,

652
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.400
the fluorescing doesn't last too long.
And unfortunately at that time we didn't

653
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:36.599
have anybody who was willing or knowledgeable
enough to take any samples, and of

654
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:43.039
course I would mean a biopsy and
some pretty uh specialized type of experiments.

655
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:46.239
Yeah, some of the stuff.
You can't catch everything, but you know,

656
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:52.519
we've captured so much. Oh yeah, I mean really, yeah,

657
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:57.760
I mean the amount of evidence is
astounding. So let's tell the people the

658
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.679
next part of the story. You
were getting there before I interrupted with the

659
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:05.280
fluorescing stuff, but yeah, the
implant or the thing in the middle of

660
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.159
the puncture ones was starting to come
out, So you wanted to get that

661
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:14.000
taken care of, right, Yeah, exactly. I could get it out,

662
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:15.119
and I thought, well, you
know, I'm gonna go to the

663
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:20.039
doctor. Went to the doctor.
They could figure it out. They x

664
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.400
rayed because they couldn't forgot why it
wasn't coming out, and they said,

665
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.880
well, it doesn't We can see
it on the x ray, but it

666
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.599
doesn't look like glass, it doesn't
look like you know, metal, It

667
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.719
doesn't look because it doesn't have a
very strong return on the x ray.

668
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.719
It has enough of one that you
could see it though, And they said,

669
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.519
oh, leave alone. You know, it's probably just a fatty deposit.

670
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.079
And you know, I got up
sense like, look it's coming out.

671
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.639
So I was messing with it,
messing with it, and finally,

672
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.320
you know, we got the darn
thing up. The doctor and I got

673
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:55.159
the darn thing out. And when
we did, it was it had it

674
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.679
like white spuds all over it,
you know, like like a the pizza

675
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:06.480
bread or something. And once that
white fuzz hit the oxygen or hit the

676
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.320
air, it started liquifying and molping
away. It's the weirdest thing. And

677
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:14.639
I remember the doctor put it down
those you know, those big magnifying glasses

678
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.119
in the office. He put it
under one of those. It's like,

679
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.000
wow, that's the weirdest thing I
ever saw. Put it in the test

680
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.960
tube, and he gave it to
me to send out to the researchers.

681
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:27.920
How did he react? How did
he react when, of course, when

682
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.559
you started, when he said he
wouldn't take it out, and you did

683
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.639
your own thing. Yeah, he
was he goes no, no, no,

684
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.719
no, And then you know,
by the time he got there,

685
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.000
you know, it was already done. And what's weird is when it came

686
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.480
out of my leg. When we
got it out, of my leg get

687
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:49.840
created like a static shock that made
my leg jump. So and you know

688
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.320
when he looked at it, he
was baffled. Said, I'm I can't

689
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:57.480
tell you what this is. I've
never seen anything like this. Yeah,

690
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.920
and you know he had this sus
patient. Yeah. So and moving on

691
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.719
then to because I want to talk
about, you know, these physical effects

692
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:14.280
and something that then I can relate
to or at least talk to because I

693
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:19.519
was present, you know, around
for the investigation of this was your leg

694
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:27.400
and just another funny doctor reaction to
what had happened with you. But yeah,

695
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.760
maybe explain your leg situation. That
was as you know, that was

696
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.800
really an amazing thing that pretty much
changed, pretty much changed everything before me.

697
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:44.480
I was painting the eve of my
house and I was about ten foot

698
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:49.400
twelve feet up a ladder and I
fell off and tore the anterior cruciate ligaments

699
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.440
into hamstring in my right leg.
I was supposed to go to surgery that

700
00:55:53.639 --> 00:56:00.119
next Wednesday to get that fixed.
Well, Tuesday, the day before the

701
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.400
night before we're actually been Monday into
Tuesday morning, I was abducted. And

702
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.239
as with most of the times I'm
abducted for some reason, all the power

703
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.039
goes out and the ASTA or I
when I get back, I have to

704
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.199
go put all the breakers back on. The Lisa woke up about to two

705
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.159
two thirty in the morning and I
was making them all the power was out

706
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.400
long clock, you know, the
clock was off and everything. So she

707
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.199
got up. She couldn't find me
anywhere when I slept down the breaker and

708
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.719
then when she came back in and
I was standing dated in the middle of

709
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:35.519
the living room. Well, for
whatever reason, we just went back to

710
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:37.840
bed. We don't know why.
We're just didn't even think about it.

711
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:44.480
When Lisa woke up the next morning
to go to work, she's gonna go

712
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:50.599
to work for Iday. She had
to get in ahere. She noticed something

713
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.159
out in the yard and there was
a circle approximately eleven twelve foot in diameter

714
00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:00.159
with concentric ring that in the middle
of our yard. Interesting thing about that

715
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:04.960
circle, that was about six o'clock
in the morning when she found it about

716
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.760
five o'clock at night. That thing
is dead, just the grass was completely

717
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.440
then. Well she walked me up
to come look at this circle. And

718
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.599
you know, I went to bed
with this cat thing or this place on

719
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:20.840
from my hip all the way to
my ankle, and you know, she

720
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.039
walked me up and I want to
go look at She goes, stay,

721
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.800
do you notice anything different? I
go, yeah, there's a damn circle

722
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.320
in my are She says, oh, do you notice anything else, like,

723
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:36.000
hey, my brace my cast is
missing, and oh my gosh,

724
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.320
I can walk on my leg.
There's no pain, it's not swollen anymore.

725
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:43.599
There's not even any bruising. Well
in the back of my leg.

726
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.599
We knows five very deep holes or
puncture marks in the back of my leg.

727
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:54.280
Whatever happened that night or that morning
they fixed my leg if they held

728
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:59.800
my leg. And the funny part
of it was we had to explain to

729
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:05.159
my doctor why I didn't need surgery
in at least I recorded before conversation.

730
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:10.159
Yeah, which is really funny because
you know, I know, well,

731
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:14.440
I guess I could see it on
last year's UFO Congress because you played it

732
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:21.199
there or if you're in U talk
or and you just hear how surprised this

733
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.760
guy is. Yeah, yeah,
you can all play again at this conference

734
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:29.239
too, because they loved that.
Yeah, because he's so shocked and he's

735
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.079
like, you know, you need
to talk to the ghostbusters. And then

736
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.639
related to the marks on the side
of your leg, because there are four

737
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:42.599
marks on the side of your leg
and Dave Florest and all connected and uh,

738
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.239
he was baffled as to what those
were too, because he did not

739
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.039
believe them to be bug bikes or
made from the brace. Yeah, he

740
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:54.559
was. He was fully amazed because
he knew that I was supposed to go

741
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:59.280
on for surgery and suddenly I didn't
need it anymore. Yeah, but you

742
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.800
know what I find fascinating, you
know, and you guys came out,

743
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.719
you were one of the first ones
out to investigate this part. I found

744
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:13.199
my grace on the side of the
house and you know, it was completely

745
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.280
just melted. It was like somebody
hit it with a raid gun or something.

746
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.800
Yeah, I've told this story and
I think I've talked to you about

747
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.599
it because when we found it,
there was a couple of metal bars,

748
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.000
there was melted plastic, but there
wasn't much left. And I was the

749
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:36.559
one who collected that and took that
back. And I remember when I talked

750
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.519
to Nancy Talbot, who was involved
at the time, explaining to her what

751
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.840
I found. And I said,
you know, Stan says, it's this

752
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:46.079
brace, which is a large one
that goes from his tip to his ankle,

753
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.639
and I didn't see the brace,
so I was like, I don't

754
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.760
think he's got it right. There's
not enough metal. That had to have

755
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.079
been a smaller brace. So I
called Lisa up and I said, Lisa,

756
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:59.760
stan tells me it's this brace.
He's got to be wrong because this

757
00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:04.039
is the huge brace. And she
said, no, he's right. And

758
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.280
I was just shocked because there was
nothing left of this thing. This thing

759
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:14.039
was disintegrated and there's practically nothing left
of this really large brace that you had.

760
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.400
Yeah, and remember how you guys
found bits and pieces out in the

761
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.320
field and on top of the swing
set, see it from a high elevation,

762
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.400
and it just landed in my art. Yeah. I even had to

763
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:30.039
make a graph for Nancy. I'm
pretty sure I sent you all that stuff.

764
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.440
Yeah you did. I still have
it. It's awesome. But it

765
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:40.480
was spread all over the place,
which was just really shocking. And you

766
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.519
know, for me, of course, as an investigator, you always go

767
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.119
through your head, okay, you
know, just for my own sanity.

768
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.199
At this point, I already knew
something was going on, but thinking,

769
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:57.480
okay, let's say somehow someone's trying
to trick me, or stands trying to

770
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.320
trick me? Could he be able
to you that? And just to you

771
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.280
would have had to have in the
middle of night, gone out and fried

772
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:09.119
your brace in some strange way,
put marks on the side of your legs,

773
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:14.639
heal your leg and mark your leg
in a way that they are fluorshed

774
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:20.360
under the skin. That would fool
a doctor. How do you tampon?

775
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:25.559
How do you fix attorney acl or
ante? Right? How do you do

776
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.559
that? Come on? You know
that? Yeah, And there's always going

777
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.000
to be skeptics out there that are
gonna say, well, it could have

778
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.719
been this. You know, I'm
I'm way past the UFO one on one.

779
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.639
I'm not going to explain myself anymore. You can either believe it or

780
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:45.239
you don't have to understand why they're
a skeptic. If there comes a time

781
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.519
when it's enough is enough? Yeah, I mean, what more evidence do

782
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.440
you want? People always say I'll
believe it when UFOs come in on the

783
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:57.119
White House Long, Well, guess
what they try. We shot at them

784
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.119
in the forties. There's evidence,
you know, they got video, so

785
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.719
and what do you do? You
know, sometimes it's there's nothing that can

786
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:12.880
dise people yeah, yeah. The
other thing with that case, well not

787
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:17.920
just the circle, but well I
guess with the case prior as well,

788
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:23.840
and the implant. I mean I
never saw the implant myself, but one

789
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:25.960
of the people, of course,
like I mentioned, who is involved with

790
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:37.199
Nancy, and she's someone I definitely
trust. But is that this physical piece,

791
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:45.480
the physical evidence, and how do
you deal with I guess when people

792
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.719
ask, you know, why you
why is it different for you? Why

793
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:53.599
do you have these physical the physical
evidence and everything, Whereas that typically isn't

794
01:02:53.639 --> 01:03:00.559
a part of other people's experience.
Generally it's not. But you know what,

795
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.800
I'm really not the only person that
is coming back with other is especially

796
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.639
lately, there's a lot of things
that seem to be changing about this experience

797
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:14.679
for people. You know, I
don't know why me, you know,

798
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:19.320
I honestly I feel like I've been
chosen, you know, I mean,

799
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:24.360
why else I honestly have there's a
reason for this, I truly believe.

800
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.480
I don't believe in chance. I
have a message to tell people, and

801
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.159
you know, maybe that's why.
Other than that, you know, I

802
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.119
don't have a clue. And what's
interesting too, is at the joke O

803
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:43.639
confidences you always run into people that
say they have the answer. And you

804
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:46.480
know, you know, Alejandro,
just even being involved in my case,

805
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:51.199
I've been through a lot, and
you've been through a lot, even being

806
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.960
involved in this case. And I
know less now than I ever did before.

807
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:58.480
The more I learned, the less
I know. So how can those

808
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.440
guys possibly have the answer? There's
one I'm not any closer than anybody,

809
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.960
you know what I mean? Oh? Yeah, because I yeah, I

810
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:09.920
talk about this a lot with other
researchers. Is and you know, I

811
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:16.320
think you can read throughout the years
different wise elders who have said the same

812
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.039
thing. The more we learn,
the more we learn we need to learn,

813
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.599
the more we discover, we the
more we learn that we have to

814
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:34.840
discover. So the people who,
yeah, have all the answers are usually

815
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:41.880
the biggest ones. Yeah, that
with the least answers. What do you

816
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:47.599
think about when you do see these
people though, these people who believe they're

817
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:54.360
having experiences such as yours getting messages
like your book called messages and you get

818
01:04:54.440 --> 01:05:01.000
messages or have gotten message messages,
who then believe that these are the answers

819
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.559
in the end all field? I
mean, can you blame them? Or

820
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:09.760
do you think those people are typically
not really experiencers or I can't blame them,

821
01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:12.760
you know, And I can't judge
people because I'm sure and I know

822
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.639
there's people out there that think I'm
just lacked and that's their progative. I

823
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:21.519
know what I'm going through the real
I can't judge people because I've gotten through

824
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.880
some amazing, bizarre stuff. So
how do I know for a fact that

825
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:30.440
they have it? Generally speaking,
you can usually tell when somebody wants a

826
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:38.199
pension, and sometimes you can't,
but really, you know, you just

827
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:43.159
have to go through gut feeling.
I guess earlier you said that you have

828
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.599
a message you have, uh,
and that could be why you're chosen.

829
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:51.039
Well, what is that message?
That we aren't the only ones out there?

830
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:55.800
That there are other things out there, and it's time for us to

831
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:02.239
understand that respect that with affect ourselves, stop playing these stupid games and grow

832
01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:06.559
up, because if they want to
become part of the neighborhood, then we

833
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:15.800
have to really we have to start
evolving spiritually and understand that there's pretty waring

834
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.920
craft. It's feeling and all this
desonity, honestly, and you know,

835
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.480
it has to stop. You know, people are bigoted just because somebody looks

836
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:29.360
different. You know, they don't
like if somebody's you know, brown or

837
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:32.559
black, or a different color or
a different religion. How are we going

838
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:36.760
to accept anything out you know that's
living out in the universe and they can't

839
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:40.840
even accept ourselves. And so I'm
here to say, look, man,

840
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:44.000
it's kind to draw up guys,
because if we don't, we're going to

841
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:51.199
probably perish. Do you think that
soon will be the time where we will

842
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:57.880
become part of this galactic neighborhood you
know where I mean some people seem to

843
01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:03.280
already be having experiences with absolutely.
I mean, you and I both know.

844
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.800
Just about every country in the world
is opening their files, you know,

845
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:11.920
except for a few of them,
like the United States. The Vatican

846
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:14.920
a few years ago, even you
know, came out some people from the

847
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.719
Vatican came out on Sino Belducci,
and then other people backed that up.

848
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:23.760
It's i mean, everything you see
on TV about UFOs and aliens, everything

849
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:28.400
in the movies. Now there's all
these stuff and it's part of the process.

850
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.159
It's part of that getting the human
race ready process. Because I go,

851
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.519
there's gonna be a big events soon. I mean, everybody can.

852
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:40.480
Everybody's waiting for the shoot to drop, and I honestly believe that's what's gonna

853
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:46.800
happen. So and you think it
will be possibly them uh even exposing themselves

854
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:50.360
greater than they have. Oh yeah, they're already doing it. I mean

855
01:07:50.440 --> 01:08:00.639
they're doing Mexico City on Brazil.
China are having these massive, massive fighting,

856
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.960
these huge you know sightings all the
time. Oss like they're ramping things

857
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:14.960
up because they're tired of waiting for
you know, these these uh this who

858
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.079
are supposed to be working for us, These governments that are you know,

859
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:23.079
all about control. They don't want
to lose control. So if they don't

860
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.439
want this information out, if the
guys upstairs are sick of it, it's

861
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:30.960
like, look, this race needs
to start evolving spiritually, mentally, physically,

862
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.159
and the only way to do that
is to understand that. But we

863
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:38.319
have neighbors, and if we're going
to be part of that system, we

864
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:43.159
have to understand that we have neighbors. Do you think most of the public

865
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:51.560
is ready or evolved enough to handle
this and that earth just the the elitist

866
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:56.720
controllers that aren't or do you think, well, I guess you just answered

867
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.439
it sure or are There are a
lot of people too you think that that

868
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.600
have some work to be done.
Their leaders in the controllers don't want us

869
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.720
to be ready for it because they
want to keep the control. The only

870
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:13.920
trouble is is we're outgrowing them.
We are becoming enlightened despite them. Pretty

871
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:17.000
soon they're just gonna be left behind
and they're gonna they better start catching up.

872
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.960
Honestly, if you look at I
couldn't say this even five years ago,

873
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:25.479
but if you look at public opinion
polls, now you bet. I

874
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.840
know they're ready. People talk about
it all the time. More people believe

875
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.880
in the folks than not, more
people believe that the are on this planet

876
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.840
than not. So yeah, I
know they're ready. So then do you

877
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:42.279
feel pretty positive about the future?
I do, I absolutely do. You

878
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:46.720
know there's this big thing going around
that doos day is coming because of twenty

879
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:49.960
twelve that, honestly, I don't
believe in the duesdays. You know.

880
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:54.840
In fact, if you talk it's
always it's all about this mind calendar.

881
01:09:54.960 --> 01:10:00.319
Some English guys started this, this
this Sciasco where calendar as that means the

882
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.279
world's band. If we talk to
the mine elders today. They think white

883
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:11.880
people are crazy, right, that
it's calendar change is just another change in

884
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.640
fact, how you've seen rainbow eagles
speak, right, sir? Oh,

885
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.119
yeah, he's great. Yeah,
he's great. He'll be at the Congress

886
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:24.439
because he talks a similar thing about
how there are other Native American calendars and

887
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:30.199
it's more of an evolution, more
of a new age that's coming. I

888
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:35.079
that's what I believe. I believe
something there is a shift coming. One

889
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:39.960
of the things I'm going to talk
about in my book is I'm learning what

890
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.960
see, the human race doesn't really
know who they are. We've been subdued

891
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:47.680
because the things that are trying to
control us are afraid of who we are.

892
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:54.720
Once we learn who we are,
it changes everything. And this this

893
01:10:54.960 --> 01:11:00.000
thing that's going to happen in twenty
twelve is because of us. You know,

894
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.439
there is going to be a shift, and you know what, I

895
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:08.960
think it's going to be a positive
one. I really do. Well,

896
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:15.119
then do you think? And you
know, thinking back to Stephen Hawkings comments

897
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:23.000
not too long ago, but I
mean considering your message that it's mostly positive

898
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:28.960
that the people things visiting us in
the extraterrestial Civilization Center. I can't say

899
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:33.239
that, you know, there's there's
really just like it is here. What's

900
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:36.680
going on here reflects what's going on
in the universe pretty much. There is

901
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.359
good and bad here as well as
out in the universe. There's a lot

902
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:45.239
of bad things out there that are
trying to control and use us, and

903
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:49.039
there's good things out there trying to
help us. But here's the key.

904
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:51.960
If we want it, if we
want to evolved, we have to do

905
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:58.119
it ourselves. That is, that
is, you know, part of the

906
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.640
initiation. As soon as we ask
for help. Number one, we are

907
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:06.039
sophisticated enough to figure out really who
is out to get us and who is

908
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:11.319
not. Because they're very intelligent beings
out there. The good guys say,

909
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.640
hey, let them do it themselves
because that's the only way they'll learn.

910
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:18.000
And really, that's honest to God's
truth. We have to come to terms

911
01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:21.880
with this on our own. We
can't. Soon as we ask for help.

912
01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:27.479
We're indebted to the people we ask
for help from, and that's not

913
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.399
that's not a good thing, because
we can't discern who's good who's bad yet,

914
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:38.600
right, and so, but by
ourselves we can move along, Yes,

915
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:43.960
oh yeah, and who we are
as a species is so much more

916
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.760
than we understand. And I think
the hardest thing for the human race to

917
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.079
it's gonna be the hardest thing for
the human race to accept, is the

918
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:58.359
fact that we are the hybreds.
And you know that's gonna flip some people

919
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.439
out. Yeah, well, and
getting back to you know, and are

920
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:06.159
getting too hybrids and abductions. Abductions
can be a scary thing for people.

921
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:09.880
I know it can be a scary
has been a scary thing for you.

922
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:16.560
Do you see that as a malicious
act? You know, I'm kind of

923
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:23.079
torn because they do take your getting
their will. But I've had different experiences.

924
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:29.279
I've had experiences where you know,
they were polite and they wanted to

925
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:32.399
give me information and it was more
contact here. I've had situations where it

926
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:38.439
was absolutely terrifying and I had made
there's a couldn't sleep with the life off

927
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:44.479
for months, And you hear both
sides of this. There are different things

928
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:47.239
out there that have different agendas.
Some are here to help in the summer,

929
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:51.600
and that's really the only way I
can explain it. Yeah, which

930
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.439
makes sense, And I want to
get more in the hybrids, but I

931
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.920
did want to explain myself a little
bit when he said I couldn't vie sleep,

932
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:02.199
which is true, and since you
talked about not being able to fall

933
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:06.319
asleep again. The only reason I
bring this up is because it was an

934
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:15.119
extraordinary experience that I had with you
all. Is when I came to investigate

935
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:19.960
that first abduction, which was that
I happened after I had worked with you

936
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:27.439
all, which every single situation you've
had has had a whole set of extraordinary

937
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.880
things that have happened, including that
one. But in this one, that

938
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:35.720
night that I came, we were
hearing loud noises, big bangs on the

939
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:41.319
roof, taps on the windows,
like someone's was throwing stuff even when we

940
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:46.600
were outside. So all of this, of course, really kind of freaked

941
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.960
me out. And I could tell
at that time too that Lisa, who

942
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:54.239
was staying up with me and we
were talking, was kind of freaked out.

943
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:58.319
And I could tell you know that
it was stressful for you all.

944
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:01.640
Oh yeah, you know, and
you gotta wonder if these guys just don't

945
01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:06.079
have a sense of humor and everything. Let's make the monkeys dance, you

946
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:12.840
know, because that's I mean,
now, you just ignore it. Good

947
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.720
example, just not too long long
ago, my stepdaughter, April's boyfriend and

948
01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:21.680
her were down in her room watching
TV. And she has a rocking recline.

949
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:27.520
You remember those blue rocking re clients
we have. The darn things started

950
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.399
rocking back and forth and it went
on for a half hour, and her

951
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:34.520
and her boyfriend were down there just
absolutely, you know, covered up to

952
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:39.560
each other, trying to figure out
what the heck was going on. Yeah,

953
01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:45.399
that's just normal stuff when you're when
and these are the real abduction experiences.

954
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:49.119
These are the real experiences. Have
that that high strangeness thing that happens

955
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:54.840
right, so, you know,
everything and anything paranormal starts to happen with

956
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.840
these people for whatever reason. One
the funny thing is now that you bring

957
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:03.199
up your your stepdaughter, is that
your stepdaughters were skeptical of things happening around

958
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:09.600
you even though they experienced things.
And how do they cope with it now?

959
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:12.319
Oh yeah, you know, they'll
talk about it now, but that

960
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.920
back then, you know, anything
that wasn't cool, we're gonna fight their

961
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:19.119
friends away. They wouldn't admit to
it. Trouble is, most of their

962
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:24.000
friends come over to experience stuff.
Yeah, so you know, I've got

963
01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:27.760
tons of leams of witness reports from
all these kids. They know that just

964
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:32.319
came on hang out because they want
to experience stuff and they do so you

965
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.119
know, now they're cool with it. They'll talk about it. In fact,

966
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:45.000
Apel did a thesis on the induction
experience or the college or college class.

967
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.439
Wow, that's pretty cool, so
you know change Yeah, well I

968
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:54.039
remember, you know, my first
UFO siding with you all again, you

969
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:59.000
know, speaking of her, was
we were outside on the deck and we

970
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:01.000
see what teams to be a lot
of satellites. And I say this because

971
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:05.760
they looked like satellites. They were
moving in a straight line at a good

972
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.960
speed. But we're seeing a lot
of them, one after another after another,

973
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.920
which was kind of weird. And
then one of them I saw,

974
01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:16.439
and she saw it with me,
made this jay hook maneuver and faded out.

975
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:20.000
And I always remember this because it
was funny because she said, oh,

976
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:24.279
you know, there's nothing going on, and I said, well,

977
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.760
did you see that? And I
was all excited and she says, yeah,

978
01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.119
big deal. And I said,
well, just like did this little

979
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.680
half circle and faded out. She
says, I see satellites do that all

980
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:39.760
the time. They're not supposed to
do that. And she's like, oh

981
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:44.920
really, she's the stuff she sees
and she just kind of blows it off.

982
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.199
Now, I mean her and her
friend and sees stuff all the time.

983
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:51.720
Yeah, well, I wanted that. I wanted to get that story

984
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:59.840
out, but I did want to
pursue further the hybrid situation because just like

985
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:04.239
a lot of abductees, such as
we were talking about earlier in our news

986
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:10.439
section about a gentleman and Hoboken who's
an artist who has drawn about his abduction

987
01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:15.840
experiences and how he believes he is
part of a hybridization program and he has

988
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:20.640
hybrid children, and it seems something
similar as happening to you as well.

989
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:29.640
Oh yeah, you know, you
know the story again, this is not

990
01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:32.000
typical of the abductions, or maybe
it is. I don't know. I

991
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:38.319
don't know too many other than what
I have to go through. But when

992
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:45.760
I'm taken, there was always a
woman there with me. And I eventually

993
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.760
met the woman that I was taken
with all these many years, and we

994
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:54.720
became very close friends, and you
know, as Victoria and I found out

995
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:59.840
later that my wife was also taken
in our friend Heidi was soon well,

996
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:05.159
oddly enough this started. I knew
this for a while, but we had

997
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:11.199
a situation where my wife had a
surprised book released party for me. I

998
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:14.840
just became a best selling author and
she did a surprise party for me.

999
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:19.439
And it was about nine o'clock at
night, and it was raining outside,

1000
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:24.520
and I see this little girl standing
at the edge of our driveway in the

1001
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:29.159
pouring rain. I'm thinking, what
crazy neighbor would let their kids out this

1002
01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:32.560
late and in the pouring rain,
and why is she running a great jumpsuit.

1003
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:36.520
I went outside to see if I
could help her, and she ran

1004
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.840
off. Well I came back and
told everybody about it, and you were

1005
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:48.119
there, and you know what happened
again. I went outside and you know,

1006
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:50.600
she was looking at you know.
I went outside and I had my

1007
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:53.880
camera with me, and it was
really dark, so I was using the

1008
01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:57.640
splash of the camera as a light, and she popped her head out from

1009
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.760
behind this tree and I got a
picture of her and I was just stump

1010
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:04.119
on it. I was shocked.
I was standing there looking at this picture.

1011
01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:09.520
In one of the researchers, you
know, Rick came out to me

1012
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.319
to go stand what happened. I
couldn't even talk, and I shot on

1013
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.439
the picture because oh my god,
you've got to show everybody. So,

1014
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.560
you know, we came back in
and showed him this amazing picture of this

1015
01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:25.760
angelic looking girl who you know for
a fact wasn't altogether human, just because

1016
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:30.800
her eyes were just absolutely massively huge, very slanted, just I mean,

1017
01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:35.319
the shape of her head was just
so the bar and you know, they

1018
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:43.199
got they'll see this, this this
angelic face. Well, and it's been

1019
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:46.239
so long, we're going to have
to help me at this part. You

1020
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:51.079
know. Everybody told me that I
should put this picture on the computer.

1021
01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:56.439
And we were walking down the stairs
and the camera and on my feet,

1022
01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.560
and that picture disappeared. And I
don't remember, Alejandro, was it like

1023
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.039
a minute or ten minutes after that
happened that we got that phone call.

1024
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:12.199
It's hard to say, because of
course we were all so excited because the

1025
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.399
sequence of events. Tried to get
down to the computer, because I know,

1026
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:17.319
I was like, get down on
a computer, get down on the

1027
01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:23.560
computer. And then of course on
the way to the computer, it disappeared

1028
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:30.319
off the camera, and then we
came upstairs and everybody was excited talking about

1029
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:33.359
it. It probably wasn't very long. It was probably like five minutes.

1030
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:39.119
Yeah, I'm thinking five minutes,
but five minutes. You know, after

1031
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:44.079
the picture disappeared, got a phone
call and this little girl said, Daddy.

1032
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:47.720
It's like, well, you know, I've got my own daughter,

1033
01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:51.840
and then I've got two step daughters
and a step son, and I've never

1034
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:58.319
heard this voice before. It's a
little squeaky, little squeak of a voice,

1035
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:01.000
is daddy. And I said,
yeah, go for I love you.

1036
01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:04.000
We'll get to meet again sometime and
then, you know, you know,

1037
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:09.960
you can tell the rest. I
just fell apart. Yeah, yeah,

1038
01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:14.439
you definitely at that point. Yeah, because me and Lisa were the

1039
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.479
ones who noticed, oh, visit
a phone call. This must be weird,

1040
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:23.800
and so we followed you and you
couldn't even explain what happened on the

1041
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:27.079
phone call because you got so emotional
and you had to go into another room,

1042
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.720
and I gave you space because I
saw how emotion you are, and

1043
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:33.039
for a guy, of course,
we don't like to be emotional around people.

1044
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:38.640
But Lisa, of course your wife
followed you in and got more of

1045
01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:43.920
the information from you. But definitely, yeah, ID a unique experience,

1046
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:47.960
and of course you've had more since
than I know of. But what do

1047
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:53.960
you think then it's going on with
this hybrid? Why if yeah, why

1048
01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.760
do you think this is happening?
Well for some people, you know,

1049
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:01.880
And again it depends on what's doing
it, what's creating these hybrids. I

1050
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:08.199
think there's some things that are making
these beings to replace us because they have

1051
01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:11.760
an evil agenda. And I think
there's some things out there that are making

1052
01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:16.399
these counters at that or you know, to help us. Again, I'm

1053
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:21.119
not an expert. It's just my
own theories, my own thought. Maybe

1054
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:25.239
somebody SOMEWHEREO knows the truth. But
I know these things they're real. I

1055
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:28.960
mean, I was. I had
a phone call. We may call us

1056
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.319
every once in a while, as
weird as that is. We've got recordings

1057
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:35.520
of these calls, and they show
up at my confidences sometimes, you know,

1058
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:41.920
very well. Know. I was
at the Aztec UFO conference. We

1059
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.439
got a call from one of these
kids saying, you know, we'll show

1060
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:48.479
up, and sure enough there were
witnesses. I've got witness reports and it

1061
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:54.920
was this talk about conspiracy. This
this conference was held at a Mason's Club,

1062
01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.880
huge Mason's Club in Asseec, New
Mexico and even the head Mason saw

1063
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.039
kids freaked out and that these kids
be freaked out because they want human It's

1064
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.399
I could tell they want human.
Yeah, so what do you do?

1065
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:12.720
I mean, just more elements.
Yeah, And I gotta say, honestly,

1066
01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:18.399
even talking about that experience with the
picture and these things, it's it's

1067
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:24.960
it. I even feel a little
bit uncomfortable talking about it. And I

1068
01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:31.199
think it's just because it is so
uh woo woo woo woo. It's it's

1069
01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:40.520
so wild, it's unique to the
phenomena. But in the same turn,

1070
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:46.880
it's exciting if there isn't an evolution
to where possibly uh, we're moving to

1071
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:51.520
a stage where we can't communicate maybe
even face to face with you know,

1072
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:58.000
it's all it's guess what, it's
already happening people. You know, people

1073
01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:02.840
need to get over this thing with
this subject. You know, deduction scenario

1074
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.560
is real and it is the hardest
to accept. It is because it's scariest,

1075
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:12.640
But people need to understand that there's
stuff out there that really is happening.

1076
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:15.239
I mean, there's so much of
it. There's evidence in the Bible.

1077
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.640
It's been going down for thousands of
years in fourteenth century frescoes and you

1078
01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:24.199
know painy cave paintings, and you
know twos of pharaohs. There's all it's

1079
01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:27.560
evidence. It's like, when are
people going to finally staff out of it

1080
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:32.279
and understand, Yeah, it's been
going on. Well, it's exciting because

1081
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.239
we only have a few minutes after. It's exciting that you have another book

1082
01:25:36.319 --> 01:25:40.760
coming out. I know your first
book has has done well, and I

1083
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:43.560
keep hearing from a lot of people
who I've read it, which is great

1084
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:47.079
and you can get actually you could
still get it. I see it always

1085
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:53.920
at Barnes and Noble and Borders.
Now you have these other books coming out

1086
01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:59.319
because I know, and just for
listeners who have been asking that, there

1087
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:03.600
have been several video projects in the
work set. Somehow these things just keep

1088
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:08.000
getting delayed. And I know,
not by your fault, everybody, or

1089
01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:13.119
maybe nobody's fault. Everybody's trying to
get this the ball ruling care, but

1090
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:17.439
they just things seem to not work
out. Well. We're finding out that

1091
01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:23.720
whenever the funding comes up, these
funders get scared away by somebody or something.

1092
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:29.239
So you know, that's just another
part of this. You know,

1093
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:32.840
just keep moving forward now with this
second book. I'm going to do everybody

1094
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:36.520
a favor and if they go to
your full Congress conference, we're going to

1095
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:43.880
hand out We made a thousand seeds
and may get two chapters from my second

1096
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:47.960
book free. This book is so
important I can't just you know, I

1097
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:54.800
wanted to get out sooner later,
So we're releasing it as it goes,

1098
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:59.760
and you can go online and preority. You can order chapter by chapter,

1099
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.880
or you can order it you know, the full book when it's done,

1100
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:06.840
or you know, you can get
it to Kindle or whatever you want.

1101
01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:13.359
But we'll be giving out three chapters
when you get to your book conference.

1102
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:17.199
Cool. And I want to let
people know we were on Skype and I

1103
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:20.720
and stands on the speaker on Skype. That's why you hear some of the

1104
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:24.720
noises in the background. It almost
sounded like a minute ago a Harry or

1105
01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:29.439
jet was taken off. But then
I know it's your laptop fan probably,

1106
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.199
I mean, you're there was no
sound on by n Well, yeah,

1107
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:38.920
we can hear the fan and stuff
sometimes, but that's why And the reason

1108
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:43.520
that we did that is so that
you'll be able to see Stan on the

1109
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:47.359
Skype video which is going to be
really cool. So if you're watching on

1110
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:51.119
the U stream, you can see
that, or we'll also have that up

1111
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:56.399
on our YouTube video because we always
put these up on YouTube as well,

1112
01:27:56.479 --> 01:28:00.359
so people will be able to see
stand talking as we talk back for us.

1113
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:02.720
So and then I guess, uh, yeah, you've already talked about

1114
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.239
you're gonna put up a couple of
chapters in your book. And then uh

1115
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:12.159
as we close here, and oh, I also want to mention Stan romaneq

1116
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.520
dot com is where you can get
more information about Stan and information about his

1117
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.159
book. But what other kind of
topics are you going to hit at the

1118
01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:24.880
Congress? Of course you have less
time than you usually take. Yeah,

1119
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:29.039
it's gonna be. I'm only gonna
speak about an hour that I'm bringing somebody

1120
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:35.000
fundy coup me right my second book. His name is G. W.

1121
01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:39.640
Harden. I'm a best selling author. But he's a New York Times bestselling

1122
01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:45.119
author. And we've got a lot
of really cool new stuff, especially at

1123
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:48.680
the night the end of my presentation, we're gonna blow you away. I

1124
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:51.119
don't want to give it all out
right now because I want you to come

1125
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:57.399
right awesome, well really exciting.
Uh Well, I want to thank you

1126
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.800
for being on the show again.
It was a lot of fun. And

1127
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:04.680
I know people it always is very
controversial when we have you on the show,

1128
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:11.880
which is just fine because it's good
to talk to you again. And

1129
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.520
I'm gonna be really happy to see
Lisa because I just love the heck out

1130
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:18.720
of the family and I miss you
guys, so it'll be good to see

1131
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:24.439
you again. Hey, guess what, no press time? Yeah, great,

1132
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:30.239
Thank goodness, all right, thanks
for being on the show. Stane

1133
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:36.359
in a little bit, all right, you're there? All right, Well

1134
01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:40.600
that was Stan Romanik and that was
a lot of fun. I think that

1135
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:44.960
was the first time we got this
guype video working here, so hopefully we'll

1136
01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:46.520
do that again in the future.
It's kind of cool to be able to

1137
01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:53.319
have the guests on video while we're
talking to them. But otherwise we're going

1138
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:57.960
to take a break after the conference. So the conferences on Sunday, so

1139
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:00.199
we're not going to have a show
on Monday. We are going to relax

1140
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:05.319
on Monday because we've been so hard
at it. But we'll be back on

1141
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:11.119
what is that the twenty eighth I
guess next month with more exciting guests.

1142
01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:14.880
So thank you for listening to Open
Minds Radio. Be sure to check out

1143
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:17.479
open minds dot tv for more UFO
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