With the Pretty Boy today. Yeah. Hey, hey, yeah, hey,
it's twenty four to one six. Hi everyone, Tony from ACTA Movies
here with my co host from Casilla Versus the Pod Monster, you know those
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Yeah. So so we have a Godzilla podcast and we talk about giant monsters
a lot. We tend to steer clear of King Kongo except for the Toho
version, Yeah, because he's kind before the Choho monsters. So I thought
this would be a good opportunity for us to talk about some King Kong stuff.
And what do you know it? When I looked up the poster for
King Kong seventy six, since the movie came out in December, the poster
said King Kong for Christmas? Why is there always a bug in here when
I'm recording the last time you were here, Nat, and Nat was here,
and now it's grown up into a fly. I guess it's huge.
I know, I know all day long we've had flies here. I think
it's getting fumigated over the weekend. Maybe I had to buy the little the
bands, the raid strips. Yes, yes, anyway, let's talk about
King Kong. This is the nineteen seventy six remake. Yay, hey,
I kind of love this movie produced by Dino di Laurentis, who's the rare
Italian producer who actually produced some decent movies, like God, the Hanniballector movie.
He produced a lot of I also saw was that Michael Eisner apparently was
part of this, like it was his idea of that oh a reboot,
which I like Michael Eisner to a point, but then he ruined the people
mover in Disneyland and like no one's ever gonna forget Okay, well this was
nineteen seventy sixties, I don't care. It was directed by John Gillerman and
written by Lorenzo Simple Junior. We'll get to him in a second. And
the effects were a collaborative effort between Rick Baker and Carlo Rambaldi. Now Rick
Baker, he helped make the suit with the face. The Kong is a
suit in this movie. They wanted Kong to be a full size, practical
effect, and I think Newt was telling us. They told investors that it
was going to be this big thing, and they got a lot of money
for it. They built the full size practical effect, and well, it
didn't work out the way they want it. We'll get to that as we
go throughout the movie. But Lorenzo's simple. He has a thing here.
I have a quote from him. We made a very deliberate attempt not to
be anything like the original movie in tone or mood. Yeah, Dino wanted
it to be light and amusing rather than portentious portentious. I don't think the
original was meant to be mythic. The original King Kong is extremely crude.
I don't mean it's not wonderful. It was remarkable for its time, but
it was a very small backlot picture. We thought times had changed so much
that audiences were more sophisticated. Dino felt we could have more fun with it.
We hoped to do sensational things with advanced special effects on a big screen.
When I think of sophisticated, I think of King Kong originals, I
think of this one. Why, I guess we should point out I love
the original King Kong, really liked the Peter Jackson one, I really did
like the Peter jacksone. You were obsessed because it was big at the time.
I mean it's still god. Yeah, you think I'm back with a
problem. The original King Kong is great, and since this was a movie
made before twenty sixteen, we're sorry. I'm sure it was problematic. We
apologize that something about the natives is offensive, and I have something to point
out that's pretty offensive when we get to the point. Okay, yes,
the Asian character in the original is problematic. Cancel. Cancel Marion C.
Cooper, cancel Rcho Pictures. They're all dead, we cancel them. Anyway,
great movie. Anyway, let's talk about this King Kong seventy six.
I grew up watching this movie because I saw the Really yeah, I saw
the original black and white one. I loved King Kong, and I'm like,
oh, there's a remake in color. I not make you feel watching
that as a kid. Oh, I was a kid. I loved it.
I loved it. There was one aspect that let me down, which
we'll get to. But uh, instead of a boat full of a crew
that's going to shoot a movie, it is a boat looking for oil instead
of a director. The dad from that's what he was. By the way
I realized, I was like, wait, who is that? And the
IMDb it's like, oh, the dad from Beethoven, he is, uh
the whatever that character is in the Zack Black character the director character is now
an oil guy and all the oil stuff was put in because in the seventies
there was the energy crisis. There was an oil crisis. Oh yeah,
yeah, so he's like the head of it. He knows about this island
and there's something weird here. I always think Richard Keel from Egas in this.
He guy's good. Also note I'm sorry, Jaws from James Bond.
That's probably the more memorable character, but I always think he's in this.
But it's actually, uh Jack o'holleran who was none in Superman to the mute
Kryptonian. Do you know a lot about that guy? Not really? Black
guy is a fascinating bert. His family was like heavily in the Mob,
and I think I think characters in The Godfather are based off his dad.
So he was like involved in the mob. But then this was like gonna
be an actor. Now. Char was also a boxer. He used like
a real Yeah, so the oh, the company is called pet trucks,
and apparently that was a reference to pet rocks, because that was like the
fad that was going around at that time. So people used to paint rocks
and they were pet rocks, and people in the seventies were stupid. That'd
be like, that'd be like obsessing over like a stupid penguin thing from a
Star Wars movie. It's really dumb. What do you got on your shirt
there? Porn? Oh my god, it's all sequel trilogy stuff. BB
eight, Admiral akbar Oka, Chewbacca, pork Stormtrooper. Oh my god,
po loft cat a great shirt. Ah, okay, it's a dinosaur.
Yeah. So this oil companies get ready to go somewhere and Chef Bridges sneaks
in, and my girlfriend means higher movie just couldn't stop talking about how dreamy
Jeff Bridges was. He's so Hotessica. Yeah, and Tony took his shirt
off and then she's like he's too thin, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm sure that's exactly what she said. Yeah. Yeah. So we find
out that the oil guy, now this was like a thing in the original
script, the oil dude, I can't remember his name. Oil guy Beethoven
Dad. In the original script, he found the map to King Kong from
like the Vatican, like the Vatican had secret files and somewhere. Someone involved
in the movie was very offended by that, so they changed it to the
US government. The oil guy paid off the US government to look the other
way and so he could like find this island. So they're talking about an
island that's constantly covered in fog, and they're taking like radar stuff and they're
like, there's so much heat from this. It's gotta be it's gotta be
from oil. And then Jeff Bridges is like, no, you're wrong.
I'm Jeff Bridges and they're like who are you And he's like, I'm Jeff
Bridges And they're like, oh, who are you in this movie? And
they're like, oh, I'm a primatologist. Jack was the name. Yeah,
he was like Jack primatologist who is also a palaeontologist and he's heard stories
of this. Yeah, he wants to school for like something else or we're
studying something else, but he like switched over my favorites one. They're like
checking his like IDs and stuff. They're like, we don't believe this is
a real guy. But it's literally who he is. Yeah, They're like,
you're from Exan, you're from this, you're from Shell. I know,
we're naming all the real oil companies. Oh, you're actually the dude
all right. Anyway, yeah, let's they figure out who he is.
They're like, oh, cool, you want to come to us. He's
like, yeah, I'll go check out the island. Sure. So he's
kind of an environmentalist sort of. If this was in the nineties, it
would have been way workers. So yeah, they go to, uh,
the Island of the Skull. They never call it skull Island, which I
thought was interesting. So this movie goes on for fifteen minutes and then suddenly
remembers that women should probably be in it. Just one, just one.
They show other women, but like, wow, did you not think they
were valid? So Jessica Lang shows up, and one interesting thing about her
in this movie is she as hot as fuck. She's still a babe.
I guess if she asked me, I'd be like please. This is her
breakout role. This is like the first Yeah, and this blew her career
up, which led to another young girl ten years later picking to be in
the sequel, and it didn't her career was still fine, but the movie
did not help picture unrelated picture of Linda Hamilton anyway. So they find her
in a raft. And one interesting thing about Jessica Lang. This this story
broke in two thousand and eight, and it comes up all the time.
A lot of people auditioned for this, Kim Basinger, I forget who else,
but Meryl Streep has the story. Did you see that story? Meryl?
Now keep in mind there's no way to back up the story. And
women sometimes do this thing called lying. So Meryl Streep, who I think
is a phony Bologne, might be lying you're a phony Bologni. So Meryl
Streep apparently went to audition and she's there with Dino di Laurentis and his son,
and apparently the son in Italian was like, she's too ugly for King
Kong or something, and she didn't they didn't know that she can understand Italian,
so she like fired back at them or something, and then she cried
about it. Clearly she got over it, because in two thousand and eight
she was still bringing it up, because women never forget anyway, Meryl Streep
probably would have been fine in this movie. But you want Jessica Lang.
Yeah, it's kind of like you're fine in this review, but the fans
want Trisha or Crystal. But you know, turns out Jessica Lang is the
only survivor from a sunken vessel a yacht, yes, and like exploded or
something. Yeah, she said she was discovered by some filmmaker, which I
think is a reference to the original. Yeah, but then it gets a
little dark. Uh Yeah, and she says her name is Dwan. She
changed the A and W to be more interesting. So we're gonna call her
Jessica Lang for the rest of the movie because I'm not gonna say Dwan every
five minutes. Uh So. The funny thing about the filmmaker who discovered her
apparently him and his friends were in the bottom of the ship watching Deep Throat
and she calls him Harry or something, and apparently it's like this deep inside
joke where maybe the director who discovered her was trying to get her into porn.
It was taking her to Singapore to be and all these born movies,
but then they all blew up except for her, So I thought that was
interesting. And then the crew is super horny for her, and I understand
everyone is and they give her a bunch of clothes which are all men's clothes,
but she magically turns them into women's form fitting clothes boot top. Yeah,
she's like, oh, I cut this man's jeans and now they're perfectly
flirting hardcore everybody too, and everybody's just kind of like, oh, Jessica,
h look look to be honest, I would be the same way again,
Jessica, like again today like Jessica. So yeah, they finally get
to the island and the mat shot of the wall looks great. What do
you think? Does the wall look great? Yeah? Amazing? You read
the wall looks good. Yeah, you're a fan of the wall, you
know what? Stop it anyway, anyway, this is why people you So
then it gets to the part in the classic King Kong story where they meet
the natives and they don't meet them yet. They sneak in and then they're
just watching them and taking pictures. Yeah yeah, that's what I mean,
Like they're they're sneaking, they're observing and uh the natives actually they look more
realistic than these movies tend to portray natives. Uh not the ones that are
dressed up. I can't speak for those, but just the natives that are
hanging around. I'm like, oh, I've seen documentaries where people look like
that. Uh. And then the head priest shows up and he's a guy
in a ballfit and he's got like a thong, and he is a fucking
sexy dancer. He is built the giant patch of like a straw hair just
on his crotch. By the way, this is what I wanted to bring
up. So I noticed with the one woman that they're about to sacrifice,
Yeah, they give her a wig. Basically, Okay, it's a blonde
wig. I didn't pick up on that. That's funny. Yeah, so
is hung racist because he yeah, at that rate, maybe he just likes
that color hair. I don't know. No, no, no, no,
no, no, no no. So it's a person of color who
is a woman with a blonde wig. Clearly, like these women that are
being sacrificed are dead. Yeah, yeah, a white blonde woman comes along.
That's in every version of the story. I do. Like every version
of the story. The natives are like, we don't want to kill our
own women. Let's scrap this brun somehow. Now Kong's okay with this one.
He's like oh, I like this woman and then he does the thing,
so no, is he a racist? Maybe? Maybe? So they
spot the Americans watching them, yep, and I like that. The priest
realizes they have like a white chick and they're like oh he gets like he
gets like six of the native girls like hey, well switch switch and she's
like, na, I'm okay. Then they go to attack him and they
shoot and they run away. So they saw that there was oil at the
place, and yeah, so basically jet bridges. So before they fired their
guns and ran away, they noticed the oil that's like cooking in the earth
and jet bridges. He wants to study the ape, but they won't help
him, so he's about to go on his own, and he flirts with
Jessica Lang for a little bit, and I guess he's kind of like,
well, before I leave, let's bone or something. He said something like,
uh, you'll disappoint me if you're here when I get back. What
do you mean you'll be disappointed? Oh, I was hoping you'd be winning
for me in your cabin. Yeah. The natives are coming in, by
the way. It's so funny. So like I think every other version like
the Natives like steak on board or something. So Jeff Bridges, Leaves and
Jesse he literally just like they just roll up and grab her, and like
I'm like, wow, how can they must have been like, holy shit,
she's right there, get her head, let's go. Jeff Bridges realizes
she's taken, so they go to find her and uh, she is now
in the ceremony and she's being no blond wig. She don't need it.
She is being hypnotized by the erotic dancing. Yeah, the gyrating gibs,
which, by the way, this is a very very sexual King Kong.
This entire movie. I feel like, oh my, this movie has a
fucking boner. This movie has a boner. So being a kid, you
know, you watch the original, there's like that implied romance that's what Kanng
and the girl and whatnot. This one, they're just hitting you over the
head with like sexual stuff, non stuff you over the head. They were
dropping boulders on you. Yeah. So I don't think, by the way,
they never showed them drugging her or anything. So I really think his
sexy dancing is what's hypnotized and that you want to call it. I was
just kind of like, so they you know if they tire her up to
the post, and then Kong shows up and he looks pretty good. Uh
it's a uh like the eyes were like yeah, I think they were okay,
like really like the actual like iris. Yeah, it was really big.
They might have been fake. I don't know. I have to look
it up. Whatever, they look great. Rick Faker did a ton of
like make up and practical effects, and this was like his first big one,
although he says that like his cong isn't great in this, it's just
like it was very well. But I think it works really well at night,
like it blends together. It blends with the big hand that grabs her.
The blue screen is not that terrible. There's one scene where I was
like, overall, but it's a really good reveal and he does a roar.
And the funny thing about the roar is it's from a a Lost World
movie from like the sixties or fifties, I think, But that roar has
been used in so many monster movies, and I used it in the tomb
Raider AVGN episode Oh Shite. So he grabs Jessica Lang goes into the woods
and then the crew shows up to try to rescue her. And there's a
really great line of dialogue. He's taking her, I'm one's taking her.
Who the hell do you think went through? There? Some guy in in
ape suit? Because when they shot this, they thought there were gonna be
a lot more shots with the practice of the giant full size Kong practical effect,
and that did not happen. So I think that's supposed to be like
shitting on Godzilla movies and stuff. But then the irony is they ended up
mostly doing a man in the suit. Then we see Kong during the day
and the caposite shots don't look as well during the day, but they still
look pretty fine. Trust me, we did on our podcast. We did
King Kong versus Godzilla and King Kong Escapes. And if this movie looks fine
when you're comparing its to the Toho Kong just looks great. Even at its
work, it looks creaky. Kanng is ready to eat Jessica Lang, and
she wins him over by slapping him around, and she's like yelling and beating
him up, well, beating his hand up. Turns out that's his kink.
How fucking lucky do you have to be? I love being beat up
by tiny white women. Yeah, I love being yelled at and belittled and
she calls him like a chauviness. I was also dying that she keeps bringing
up astrology stuff. Yea, even up a point she's like are you an
aries? And I'm like, what are you doing? I will say so
KNG is kind of like into it and whatnot, and then she starts mentioned
in astrology and puts her down. He looks disappointed, much like I am
when chicks bring up astrology. Did I ever tell you about that one chick?
People have fun? Okay, no, no, but here's the thing.
So I was on dating sites for a while. Big mistake, don't
do it. I know I met my current girlfriend from one, but that
was like that was an exception. Yeah. So when you're you have to
pretend to like stuff that chicks like, and one of them is astrology.
Oh you don't, Yeah you do, Yeah you do. So I pretended
to be interested in astrology with this chick who was too into astrology. I
thought she was gonna be like, what are you a Virgo? And I'd
be like, oh, yeah, I'm a virgo. Instead for an hour
just texting back and forth, what house is your sign? In give me
this, I need to look at the chart, and I'm like, oh
my god, this is the worst conversation I've ever had. So astrology sucks
and I'm glad Me and King Kong agree on that. The oil guy apparently
called in ahead of time, being like, we found the big ones,
so they needed the oil. Yeah, they're more concerned with that, and
Kong is concerned getting that mud off of Jessica Lang. I want to talk
about that scene. Yeah, So they go and they put her under the
waterfall. Yeah. And then the blowing scene. Why was it so essential?
She looked like she was like actually getting off on it. So Johanna
didn't describe that right. King Kong does not blow her. He blow dries
her. He blows on her, and actually the effect is pretty good.
They actually made really big so he's blowing onto her and at first she's like
and it's like, oh, that's cute, but then it goes on for
too long. Like you said, it's like, okay, we get it.
But then she starts yeah, you're right. She's like, oh,
I'm like, can you not. I could see why that guy might have
wanted to put her in a porn By the way, when they first got
to the island. The first thing they did, she just crawls around on
the water. Jeff Bridge takes pictures of tits almost fall out, and I
watched frame for a frame to make sure they did. They didn't. Unfortunately.
Uh, she is a very sexual character and I probably the entire movie.
She's just kind of like I probably shouldn't have been watching this as a
kid, but whatever, you know, I think, you know, you
watch the original, You're like, I want to see the giant e fight
the monsters, and that's just King Kong blowing on it. Shit, Kevin
an Organs, King Kong looks so creepy. His pervy sex face looks so
creepy. And then yeah, he's like smiling, He's like he And by
coincidence, today I sent you the picture. Earlier, I was in Walmart
and I see, you know, they had the movie toys. They have
one that says King Kong, but it didn't look like any kind of King
Kong. I saw and I opened it up and the face on the figure
is the pervy seventy six face. I'm like, what, I'm like,
they make a figure. I think it's really funny that they have the King
Kong stuff at Walmart, and then they have the Godzilla stuff and Target,
Yeah, they do. I notice that it was weird. Oil guy gets
excited because they found all this oil. But then his scientist, who I'm
pretty sure is an actor from Star Trek but I can't remember what character he
played, he tells him like, yeah, the oil will be great in
ten thousand years, like it's not ready to be used for stuff, and
he's like, oh no. And then somehow his backup play and he's like,
oh, I know, I'll come back with a giant gorilla. It's
like, wait what. I think even one of the characters was like,
what are you talking about? He's like, what about that Exxon tiger put
a tiger in your tank? And that was a paper tiger and it's like,
yeah, well that's a man. What are you gonna do with the
giant girl? O? My god. So yeah, he has this whole
plan to get Kong, which I thought was really stupid. Then we get
the famous tree bridge scene, which is in most King Kong movies, and
I think this one looks pretty decent. Kong shows up, he starts,
you know, rocking the thing, and at this point, no one knew
about the missing spider pit scene in the original, so they don't even attempt
to do a spider pit scene, whereas Peter Jackson was like, I'm gonna
do a spider pit scene, KROI King It's by Peter Jackson. Yeah,
I've read before. My favorite thing about this tree scene is every time someone
falls off, they do that slow motion blue screen of the So then Kong
goes away and he's buy these two big rocks which come into play later.
And he's giant like monster movies and rocks because it looks like a mountain,
I guess, and it's easier to always rocks. It's easier to dress that
set. I don't know. So yeah, he's buy the rocks, and
he's still giving Lang the previous look in the world, and he's trying to
rip her clothes off with his finger, and he gets pretty close. He's
pretty close. He's very rapy. The movie calls him out on it later,
and then at an hour and twenty two minutes, the movie realizes something
it forgot. When you think of King Kong the original, what are some
things you remember from it? Dinosaurs? Yeah, there's a lot of dinosaurs
in the original. There's not one dinosaur in this Uh. There is a
giant, fake rubber snake that looks like it's out from a Toho movie.
I like to think that the snake was a hero just saving He's actually saving
Jessica Lag. She didn't cons exactly. He was the true hero of this
snake against the anti rape. Snake just goes around the island lecturing people.
Yeah, so I have this written here from a Wikipedia so it must be
true. In a notable departure from the original film sample, the writer dropped
the dinosaurs that are present with Kang on the island. The reason for the
drop subplot was due to the increased attention on Kanan and Dwan's love story and
financial reasons, as Delarentis didn't want to use stop motion animation in the film.
Nevertheless, a giant boa constructor was incorporated into the film. I guess
they figure they're like, we need one, you gotta give us one extra
monster. But now it's kind of weird because it's like, Okay, so
this island. They built the giant wall just to keep Kang and maybe this
snake out, and that's it. Because the original Kong and even the remake
it's like, oh, they built this because it's fucking monsters on the other
side. So he gets into a fight with a stake and he does the
classic Khan jawl rip, which is in every Kong. Jessica Lang and Jeff
Bridges. They escape and they make their way back to where the trap is
being made. They're like, they dug a big hole outside the wall and
somehow they captured King Kong. They put a bunch of knockout gas and Kan
falls into it and just passes out right away. That actually is a cool
shot where his arm comes out of the fog and then goes back down,
and then all the natives come out of the bushes and they're like, holy
shit, CON's gone, which I thought was a happy moment, but then
Jeff Bridges makes you feel guilty about it, and a scene coming up.
Yeah, they somehow found a giant ship. They get access to a giant
ship which has find another giant thing later on conveniently too for them. Yeah
uh, and they find like it has the biggest cargo hold I've ever seen
in a ship. It's gigantic. I want to talk about the bars of
that too. Why are they so large? He could stick his hand up
in there. I know, like it was a whole point because they just
want Jessica gotta fall down. Yeah. Yeah, and we saw he's very
strong. He broke the wall that the Natives bill for how which I guess
proves walls don't work. I mean, and some people would argue differently,
I'm not here to argue that. Yes, okay. So while he's being
imprisoned, the oil guys like, guys, Dwan, I'm gonna make you
a star. We're gonna go coast to coast with kan sponsored by pet Truck's
oil. And he's like, you too should get married and it can be
like a big part of the story. And Jeff Bridge is like he's too
early, too early, and she's like what do you think? And he's
like too early. But then Jeff Bridges like, uh yeah, because the
girl was like I don't know how I feel about this. And he's like
that ape tried to rape you. He's evil, and he's like asked the
natives there like multiple times too, isn't even just like kind of like a
oh he said it once. Yeah, He's like no, no, no,
he tried to rape you. Yeah yeah, And he's like ask the
natives, and Jeff Bridge is like, the natives are gonna be miserable.
We took away their God. Yeah, they're gonna be drunks. And yeah,
He's like, in a few weeks they'll be burnout drunks. I'm like,
or they'll be happy that they can use the rest of the island and
sacrifice their women. Yeah, not have to sacrifice the women and actually have
like a generation of like children that like maybe things just just me. Maybe
things are gonna get better for him, especially in this version where there's no
other giant monsters except maybe a snake. It's dead now and it's dead good.
Two for one, those natives are gonna be really happy. So I
thought that was pretty offensive. I'm like, I don't know about that,
dude. So Jeff Bridges gets his wish Jessica Lang goes back to his cabin,
and then he gets Kong blocked. Get it, Kong blocked. It's
like cock block, but by King kN so King Kong throws a fit.
King Kong throws a fad and by the way, so he's so CON's cargo
hold, apparently on the other side of the wall are like the crew quarters
where they sleep because that guy gets knocked off the wall and then all the
important equipment for the ship must be on the other side because it all starts
breaking. I also want to point out that the whole scene with Jeff and
Jessica, they're like about to get it on, but her mind was on
Kong. It was that's what all she was. She was like, yeah,
I'll be right back, and then she went to go look for him
and it was like checking on him, yeah, and then she goes into
his cage to calm him down. Is she actually like trying to get freaky
with this giant. Everyone's trying to fuck each other going on why everybody's so
borny? Jeff Bridges wants to fuck Jessica Lang. Jessica Lang wants to fucking
Kung. The oil guy wants to fuck mother h Nature and get that oil.
Uh fucking I don't know, you know, Dela Reents probably wanted to
fuck any girl who was working on the movie. That priest wanted to fuck
that entire island. He could not stop shaking his hands. So she finally
like calms him down. She's like, why are you waking up all these
people? You're beating an asse. Yeah, like, hey, guys could
understand her. So the day of the show, Jeff Bridge is like,
I don't want to be in the show, and he's like, you signed
a contract. He's like sue me. Yeah, I don't care. And
he's like, Jessica Lang, come with me, will be in love together,
and she's like eh, and he gets mad at her for being a
woman who wants to be self be employed. He frowns on that he's not
having any of that. He's like, woman with a job, it's nineteen
seventy six, and I will not stand for that. That is what Jeff
Bridge says. That's an exact quote, because yeah, he's such a dick.
He's like, I know this is your dream job, but I'm about
to be poor and sued. Do you want to go around the country and
talk about apes? It's like not really. The show starts and they refeel
kung to the public. Where did they get the giant crown? I mean
they made How do they make that so fast? There's no way. Oh,
we don't know the passage of time. Yeah. So first he's in
a giant gas pump which is just cloth. Then they pull it up and
he's in a giant cage wearing a crown. Now the sizes of the cage
and the crown change because we get to see the full size Kungu animatronic,
which here you go, guys, this is everything it can do. Dude,
it's so bad. It was very distracting too, and they cut back
and forth, so the animatronic Kong has these big broad shoulders and then it
will cut to the Kong in the suit and it's like we're in. The
cage is smaller and he's more animated. So so bad, and then he
breaks out right away. He sees Jessica Langle. He was like, oh
the bad guy was like, oh oh yeah, like this was made in
New York or whatever it was. Yeah, well you're not going to break
yeah. I mean that that was also in the original when they're like it's
made out of chrome steel, a it'll be fine. And it breaks out
just like he just rips it apart, and I love. It's the worst
cut ever. So Kanng is ripping the cage and then it cuts to the
animatronic Kong with the cage and it's just going and then it gets pretty violent.
He's just flowed, stepping on people, he uh he kills oil guy.
Apparently he was gonna live. They wanted that character to live because the
director in the original lived and he was there was gonna be a setup for
a sequel and everything. But apparently test audiences were kind of mad that he
didn't get killed, so they've like worked that in where he gets stepped on.
The animatronic Kong is one of the worst things. It's really fad.
Apparently. I think they did take it on tour to promote the movie,
so they got some use out of it. Because it looks like, shit,
this it's so bad. They tried. They tried, Yeah, like
there was an attempt, but it was too stiff. Look, other movies
did it better. At the Jurassic Park probably learned from the mistakes of this
movie. Kong going through the city, it reminded me of the Universal Studios
ride, the Old One. I loved that ride. I never got to
go on that, but I got to go on the Jaws one. At
least the jas one wasn't as good. Jaws one was fun. You jaw
The Jaws was fun if you love Jaws, but it's not as good as
the King Kong one. The King Kong ride was awesome. So you would
like go through the city on like a I've seen YouTube videos and yeah,
yeah, and it was like, now that was a nanimatronic KNG that looked
fucking great. Uh. It was awesome. He would like explode out building
and then he was on a bridge at the end. It was so cool
and uh. I think one of the reasons I liked that ride is because
I liked this movie growing up, and like, I like both of them
for that reason. So it was cool seeing Kan just walk around the city.
I am sad they took down the King Kong ride. Although the Mummy
roller coaster is pretty good. I have never had so much fun on a
ride in Universal and the Mummy. Oh my god, it's pretty good.
I would have preferred King Kong, but I'm like, at least it was
replaced with something. I hope I never get rid of that. Though Kong
walks onto a uh he walks into some power lines, and unlike his Toho
counterpart, he does not get electrical power. If you guys have listened to
our King Kong Versus Godzilla episode at Cassilla dot Com Cassila versus the pod Bonster,
remember that's a podcast we're on casts cast Zilla is for the website,
but the show is called Castila. I remember you guys, not all of
you watch on Fridays or download on Fridays, and we need to get those
numbers up, all right, okay. And then they go into like an
empty bar and they're talking about buy me a drink. Come on, buy
me a drink. Okay, wait wait, Before that, he like destroys
a train that they were on. So she survived like two incidents is by
the way, I thought it was really mean. Where he finds the other
blonde girl, but it's not her bosses, So she survives two things.
And her first thing is like, wow, I really could go first.
I mean I probably could too, but I want to get away first.
I think i'd want to leave that area completely, like like, okay,
we're in New York. Take me to like Delaware. So Jeff Bridges gets
a revelation, but I'll get to in a second. He goes to call
the military and let them know. And then Jessica Lang, she's hanging out
in the bar, and then Kang's hand comes somehow finds her something. I
guess he smelled her and found her. But like that hand comes in and
he's on the up side of the window, and I don't think it actually
works technically, and he's doing the pervy like ye. And then she doesn't
even run away, She's like h she like falls into the hand. I'm
like, you know, you could have gotten away from that easily. Look,
Look she had to pretend for Jeff Bridges. Yeah, like I totally
don't want this, but I definitely did. Yeah. So then takes her
and then Jeff Bridges knows where he's going because there's this there's this thing in
New York that looks like the mountains from his native island. And I just
want to say the end. Everyone knows the ending of the original Koan.
The ending of this movie was unforgettable. I'll never forget the end of this
movie when it takes place at the World Trade Center because they were newer at
the time and they wanted to one up the Empire State but them, why
are you giving me that? Look? Did you not think this movie was
unforgettable? It was a very unforgettab blinding Did you forget the end of the
movie. I know what you're doing. The Twin Towers resemble the mountains on
his island, which he did not climb, but for some reason he decides
he wants to climb the World Trade Center whatever, because he has to climb
a building. This Kong. Out of all the Kangs I've seen the Seven,
the Kong Skull, Island Kong, we haven't really seen him climb a
lot of things, so I can't say anything yet because he's kind of too
big to climb anything. This Kong is the worst looking climbing Kong I've ever.
It looks so terrible. He's like, uh, because the suit's not
very mobile and it's like poorly blue screened. So he climbs up the building
and jet Bridge just breaks into the World Trades and the World Trade h herself
looks great because they filmed some move was on location and then they built like
the lower parts on a set, and then they had miniatures and I think
it all blends together pretty well. So yeah, he Jetbridges made like an
agreement with the military. He's like, don't kill him, just capture him
and then I'll tell you where he is. So you think they're gonna honor
that because Kong before he climbs, he's staring at the military and they all
have their guns at him, and then none of them shoot, and it's
like, wow, I feel like you could solve this problem pretty easily right
now. But I guess they're afraid of hurting the girl, which I mean
an ape that can kill most of the people in the city in one chick.
I know what I'm doing. I'm pulling the trigger. So you think
the military is gonna honor that. But then Kong gets to the top and
then it turns out the military was not gonna honor that, and they want
to kill him. It's like, well, why do they just shoot him
when they have the chance. It's weird, you know what? You know
what else is weird. I understand jeff Bridges wants Con to live, but
then like the military come out, the army guys and they have the flamethrower.
Yeah, yeah, and then Con does that awesome jump to the other
building where he looks like he's flying. I like when he takes uh,
whatever the heck he picked up that he threw at the dude with the flamethrower
and it explodes, yes, and Jefferds just like yeah, he's like he's
celebrating the death of like army guys, and I'm like, that's really mean.
He goes, yeah, dirty sons of bastards, and like like what
the fuck. Jeff Bridge is like, holy shit, Like those guys just
died trying to defend violently, yeah, but very violently. So I thought
that was pretty brutal. And then the helicopters show up because instead of planes,
they do helicopters and they have mini guns on the outside, and uh,
this is the most violent Kang death ever. There was so much blood
and you know what, this has been a pretty bloodless movie except for the
Snake, but that was very brief. So I remember being as a kid
because the original Kong, even if he is bleeding, it's black and white,
it's still sad. But I remember being as a kid watching this for
the first time and being like, oh my god, because blood is just
squirting out of him. It's just he's just dreading, and it's like,
holy shit, this is brutal. And the reason it's like that is because
Dino Dila ransis he wanted he wanted a tragic ending. And there's actually a
pretty famous quote from him. No one cried when Jaws died, but when
the monkey dies, people are gonna cry. Intellectuals are gonna love a Khan,
even film buffs who love the First Kong are gonna love ours. Why
because I don't give a crap. I don't. I don't understand the last
part of that. Basically, he wanted a really sad ending and the only
way you can think of that is to have just mountains of blood come out
of Con. He gets shot multiple times, yes, blood everywhere, and
then he falls off the building, sucked in hand and somehow doesn't just splatter
in said. You just get to hear the thump thump thump, yes,
which the American Godzilla stole that Matthew Project American Godzilla because when they do the
heart they yeah. So then Con just dies horribly, everyone's said, and
then the credits just play over his corpse while everyone's just taking was it?
Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lang are like trying to like get to each other,
but everybody's crowding around like are you okay? It's just like, clearly I'm
okay, get away from me. When it would did you think of this
King Kong? I really feel like if this was not rated, what it
was rated? What was it rated? I think it was this before PG
thirteen rating, so it might have been PG okay, and since it was
an eighth they didn't care. It felt like a porn to me majority of
the time, because like, oh my god, if so Italian producers,
as I'm learning from the show, and yeah, thanks, thanks Tony,
Yeah, Italian producers, not Dino. Dino was pretty well respected. He
made some shit, but he made some good stuff too. I'm found I'm
finding out that there's some movies that were made as porns, but then they
cut the porn out and released them in different territories as just normal movies.
This feels like that if this was like a schlocky like something not even Coln,
just a King Kong ripoff, I feel like I felt like monsters.
I feel like there would have been sex everywhere, and then when it came
to America, an American desrib would have been like, let's cut down all
the sex. This is what it feels like. It is a very sexual
movie. It's more sexual than a King Kong movie has any right to me.
But I kind of love it. I did love it too. I
was just very uncomfortable watching the lot. I loved it as a kid because
it's it's King Kung and it's in color and the effects were pretty decent.
That was just like really like big monster movies. Yeah, oh you do.
Yeah? Do you have a show where you talk about the month?
You said it two times already. Uh speaking of that, where's our shirts?
Oh? Yeah, I gotta make shirts for that. They might be
No, they're not gonna be done by the time this happens. Yeah.
So I used to really really love it, and then the Peter Taxon one
came out and I went to rewatch this one. I'm like, oh,
wow, this one sucks. This one's actually a big piece of shit,
Like, what the hell? There were no dinosaurs, it's trying to It's
really really bad. Now I've watched it again. Uh in HD for the
time, thanks to you. You're welcome. Yes, I changed your name,
by the way, on my HBO account, I didn't have it.
I did notice that you had a couple of people on your account. One
was Don Trump. I didn't know you know, why are you the way
that you are? Why did you change? You should see what it is
now? Oh god. Anyway, I watched it in HD on my big
screen TV, and like I guess I guess for years I was just watching
this on tape or like four x three on t on small TVs watching the
big screen, like, oh wow, this movie actually looks pretty damn good.
It actually holds up. It holds up. I mean, any effects
that are dated would have looked good at the time. Again, this is
right before Star Wars and Superman in the eighties. Uh, and it probably
would have looked better if it came out in the eighties. But as we
fought, we will find out in the future that's not the case. So
yeah, I think it's a really good time. It's definitely not the best
King Kong movie. It's definitely not the worst. Watch it for Jessica and
Jeff Jessica Lliah so fucking hot. It's such amazing, such a yeah a
still, jes what hill. That's I wanted to mention earlier. So I
thought it was interesting that first Kong thirties, this Kong seventies were goring Toho
Kung the remake of Kan was in the thirties, and then U Cong Skull
Island was in the seventies. So I thought it would be really cool if
the Bree Larson character from Cong Skull Island is in Congress of Godzilla and it's
played by Jessica Lang, because the age would kind of work. But then
I remembered no one gives a shit about Bree Larson's character or any of the
characters in cong Skull Island. That's a movie I like, but the characters
are very forgettable, so that idea's kind of like forgot bigs. I know
Tom Hiddleston's in it in the new one. It's Tom Hile. Oh yeah,
in Kngscho Island. Yeah, we saw that together. Oh you were
there? Yeah? Well, because in Godzilla King and the Monsters, the
Miles Dice and pre Terminator too, he's the older version of one of the
guys in Congschull Island. So it's like, that'd be cool if they bring
Jessica Lang to be the older Bree Larson character. But then Jessica Lang would
have to act poorly to match Pree Larsen. I like Bree Larson. I
don't know what happened after Congskull. After she won her oscar. She just
started sucking new movies. I don't understand what happens. I look at her
and Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, and then I look at her and yeah,
remember that. I was like, wait, that's superhero, like yeah,
and I'm like, oh, she just she's like is it the script?
Because I know, like with Kristen Stewart, like Kristin Stewart's good and good
movies, but then like things like Twilight and other things, I'm kind of
like like, just maybe I'm not watching. Maybe I'm not watching the smaller
indie movie she's in. Maybe she's better, And why the hell are we
talk about Bree Larsen Anyway, everyone just turned the channel up as soon as
I said Bree Larsen. But then you you forgot Captain Marvel's name, so
they probably turned it back on the woman forgot Wait there's a woman lars what's
going on here? Yeah, So I would say, definitely check this one
out. If you have HBO Max, I'll give you a Johannah's HBO Max
account. You can make a funny name on it. No, definitely check
it out. And then what I like about this movie is that it has
a very definitive ending. Gong gets shot, he falls, he plummets to
his desk, his heart stops, he's done. So, of course,
of course, ten years later they got the same director back to do King
Kong Lives, which will do another time. Spoiler it's not very good and
it's very hard to find. Also spoiler, he lives, he lives,
King Kong Lives, and he's not alone. Johannah, there's a lady came
out. He asked me if she has dds. She has big contents like
Sharon's, like shared subscribe and uh, Jesus Christ, why did you make
me drink whiskey before? I didn't even have that much. Oh my God,
smoke them. Hello Johannah, Hi Tony, welcome back to the show
talking about tapes. Hello, and welcome back from your trip. You went
to DC for some reason. I forget why you went out there, but
I hope you had a good time out there. It was a great time.
I'm sure it was great. Uh So some things have changed here?
Uh well, there are mics looked like the mics we shot with last time.
Yes, we did get these mechanical arms with these nicer mics, but
they were way too goddamn big. I think Newt's face was covered in the
wide shot most of the time in the last episode, so were problem though.
Yeah, we're getting smaller arm so we can use the nice mic.
So for this episode, we're back here. Some other things have changed.
You might have noticed. We are no longer shooting on the oh God,
the Black Magic Pocket cinema four K camera. I don't know what any of
this means. Okay, so this is what we've been shooting the show on.
Okay, shoots some four K. This is a great camera. This
camera is awesome. It was not meant for this kind of show. For
one, the lenses are prime, so that means they're all manual. And
I don't know if you know this, but we don't have a crew,
so I had to be here. We have a dummy over there, so
we have to be careful with the focus. But if we like move back
or something, we would go out of focus. There was a couple episodes
or me or new one out of focus. So we're still gonna use these
for like skits or I mean just stuff that happens, not skits. What
is this? This is a real shows. Yeah, we're gonna do use
this for other things, more cinematic stuff. So in the meantime, we
are shooting on old on Yeah, Cana next a forty five cameras, so
we still have four K footage. The lenses aren't as nice, but the
file sizes are a lot smaller. Because here's a problem I ran into.
The files in that camera are very, very big, to the point I
couldn't fit them on a terabyte hard drive to bring them home to edit,
So I had to sign a few weekends here editing the goddamn show. So
sounds like a problem. Yeah, slightly less resolution cameras, but it will
help us in the end. I don't think anyone's really gonna care because it's
still four K. It's still a three camera setup. I think they look
great. Uh. Yeah, The problem is I don't know how I'm going
to afford this because I went through my stimulus check pretty fast. Well,
Tony, I have a solution for you. Oh okay. When I went
to DC, I brought back some stuff. Oh you brought back some stuff
from DC. That's that's great. Like souvenirs are like, yeah, okay,
well, let's let's see what's this. You have some kind of package
here. These are like, oh, these look like opened envelopes. I
assume those are like historical envelopes. Yes they are. Wow. I can't
wait to read them and see what they are police hat? Did you buy
like a costume hat? Yeah, there's just you know, so much merchandise
you can buy now in stores. Huh okay, okay, yeah, let's
see. You have a blank VHS tape here. I'm not sure what that's
all about. Uh, What's what's going on here? This looks like it
looks like a prop alien hit my favorite. Yeah, in a spaceman helmet
and bizarre. Oh, we got some film in here, some old film.
Let me see what is this. This looks like a grassy knull.
I'm not sure why there's a film strip of a grassy knull. This is
fucking just endless here. Oh we got another film ship, we got another
film strip. This looks like great, you know what I think this might
be? And I don't know why this is in DC. This looks like
a deleted scene from two thousand and one A Space Odyssey because it's the moon,
but I can see Stanley Kubrick in the shot. That's I don't remember
the shot in the movie, so it's very rare deleted scene. Yeah,
so thanks for this, and thanks for what I assume is a replica Revolutionary
World flagon. Yeah, yeah, it looks like you've just pulled it out
of some historical building's yeah, that's crazy. So yeah, stay tuned.
Maybe I'll sell some of the stuff in this box Johanna brought. That's great.
You're welcome, Tony, thank you. You know what's not great?
King Kong Lives? Why did you make me watch this stuff? So we
should probably mention we have a podcast that we do together, cass Silla versus
the pod Monster. Video versions are now on their own YouTube channel because while
people really love that show, they don't love it as much as this show.
Yeah, and the low views were hurting the growth of this show,
but we moved it to its own channel. I mean, you should be
listening on podcast apps anyway. So it still exists. We'll link to the
description. So, yeah, we we we tend to mostly do Toho stuff,
but on this show, we decided to dip into some good old fashioned
American giant monsters and we did. We did the seventy six King Kong,
which I think we both agreed was not a great movie, but it was
very enjoyable. It's not terrible, yeah, but it's not great. Yes,
And Jessica Lang was very, very attractive babe, Such a babe.
So ten years later they decided to make a sequel. King Kong Lives and
I think we both uh, we both talked in the last one that yeah,
pretty definitive of death. I don't know how you do how you live
that one. There's so much blood. So I have it here. Dino
dilarentis the producer. He wanted to make a King Kong sequel, He even
said, and this is bizarre because I don't know what movie's referencing. He
said. Steve McQueen made an imagine like a super Italian voice. I don't
feel like doing the Italian voice. Steve McQueen made a picture in which he
died at the end, but then they made another picture with Steve McQueen.
Many stars die at the end of a picture then go on to the next
pink picture. Cong is a star. We're gonna have a new story,
a new Khan. It's a very confusing sentence. So did he want to
do like a brand new Kan, like a new ape, I don't or
just new movie. I don't know. I really don't know. But the
process to making the sequel is very, very hard because there's a lot of
rights issues. Over who owns kan and I will recommend our good friend James
rolf be Angry Video Game Nerd. He reviewed both of these movies a few
years ago and he there's a section in that review where he talks about the
legal battle that went on something with Paramount Paramount Universal claimed to own it.
Paramount claimed to own it. Universal in Powermount We're gonna make them at the
same time, the creator owned it and then they argued as an in public
domate. It was a shit show from what I could tell. His video
explains it perfectly, so go check that out. But yeah, so John
Gillerman's back, the director. He wanted to make a movie called ty Pan
with Sean Connery. They ended up this movie ended up getting made, and
we'll mention that at the end of the episode it ended up getting made,
not with Sean Connery or this director. But yeah, they brought him back
for King Kong Lives and they tried to convince Dino Delarentis that there should be
a Lady Kong, and he seemed to not be into it, so they
explained it to him. It's hard enough to accept that there's a King Kong
that's been around for fifty years becoming a pop culture hero. No oh,
and then Dino Delarentza says, no one is going to believe a female eight
And the writer said, Dino, he had to have had a mother,
and Dino said, by god, you're right. I never thought of that
there can be a female So Divo dil Reenttiz just thought congs come out of
thin air. I guess he was big into intelligent design. They just magically
just appear. It's like a chicken in the egg story. Like, so
anyway, let's get let's get into this movie. It opens up with the
unforgettable ending of the previous movie, which we will never forget the ending of
that previous movie. But it also like causes a problem because it's like he
was shot thousands of time and then fell was the World Trade Center everywhere,
and he fell off the world trades like you're not getting up from that.
But apparently he was alive, even though I think we heard his heart die,
but they kept him so the military and the scientists and stuff that we're
all trying to kill him because he was murdering people. When they when he
finally died, they were like, well we got keep them alive for some
reason. This isn't like when like a murderer gets shot and they keep them
alive so we could stand trial. This is a giant eight. You just
let the thing die. But Linda Hamilton is the star of this one as
lady Doctor. I don't know her name. I don't remember I this was
so hard to get through. I don't remember anybody's name. So Linda Hamilton's
in it. She's the star of the film. And I will say,
like it's toward the end of the film, I'll get back to it.
She's very different than the usual kind of woman that's in these movies, so
that's a plus. She still seem bored as hell. Well, she was
bored as hell, but the way the character's rating, it's not like a
damsel in distress, you know what I mean. Yeah, two years prior,
she was in the Terminator. Yeah, this is where you go to.
Yeah. Well, apparently she saw how good it did for Jessica Lang
and unfortunately it did not have the same effect on her. So they want
to give Kan a mechanical heart, but he won't survive the surgery unless he
gets a blood transfusion. Now we we still can't figure out and I don't
think anyone ever explains in this movie why are they keeping King Kong a live?
What is the point of keeping King Kong alive? I don't even understand
as like a scientific point, because if they want to study a big ape
they have the woman, well we'll get to that. This is before that
still, but it's at no point do they say, hey, let me
want to return him to his island and study him. It seems like they
just want to bring him back to life and just lock him up. I
don't know, it just seems really bizarre, right, Yeah, So we
kept a borneo and there's this guy John Mitchell is the character name, I
think, and he finds Lady Kong not Queen Kong, which I have a
copy of somewhere that is a parody of King Kong from the seventies. I
believe that's well, I don't want to say it's funny, but uh,
I think the tagline, no, but the tagline of the movie I think
is like, it's like her time in the month again or something like that.
I was something like that. But Queen Kong it's like an airplane style
comedy. It's like it's a very spoof movie. So but I guess they
couldn't say Queen Kongs, this is Lady Kong, and you can you can't
be confused with regular kan. They they knew people would get confused. So
what they did is they made her brown and gave her contests she's red or
red. So they literally just put contents on the male Kong suits. So
girlas do have like but like they were so distructed because it's literally like it
seems like they made two kongsuits and they're like, oh, one's a woman,
give it's They are like Saggy the good God. All right, So
why haven't you ever seen this? Like maybe once or twice as a kid,
and I forgot a lot of this movie. So I've seen the concert.
I was like, oh no, no, moment I saw that,
I always sat there like are you kidding me? By the way, I
love the previous movie. It's like, yes, this beast lives on an
island surrounded by fog. You can't find it anywhere. It's like there's another
one in Borneo. No one ever brought it up before. They just hang
around in Borneo, I guess. But a bunch of natives helped John Mitchell
and they like shoot darts into it and knocks it out. They end up
calling him. John Mitchell is like trying to sell this ape and the scientists
called him. They're like, we got to make an offer on this because
we're gonna lose it. Yeah, and Wnda Hamiltude's like, we probably shouldn't
bring a female ape here. It's probably gonna excite him too much. And
they're like, well where else are we gonna get the blood for this thing?
So, uh, the university ignores her and they buy Lady Kong everything.
It sounds like I'm making up the plot to a fake movie. It
really does. It really does. If someone said, hey, Tony,
come up with a plot a sequel to Kang seventy six, I'm like,
ah, there's a Lady Kong and they got up put a new heart and
it doesn't sound real. So yeah. So apparently both Kan's have the trait
of falling in love with attractive people. Lady k well, I mean the
movie says the guy's attractive, Lady Kong is in love says yeah, Lady
Kong has a crush on the John Mitchell character. Apparently you do not,
you do not have the same taste as a giant gorilla apparently, thank god.
But I like that both Kangs can be perverts regardless of gender. They're
both perverts. Well, I mean at least like he's not like, well,
she's not like blowing on him and trying to rip his clothes off.
So this part is shocking. They bring Lady Kong to the States and there
are so many reporters there. Do they all forget what happened in the previous
movie? You just see her giant feet in the background. They're all like
crowding around and not so it looks like they built full size congs, but
they used them a lot. The full side. They're like, Kong's gonna
be laying down in a comba in this scene, better than the blue screen.
Well yeah, but I'm saying, like the previous movie, when they
have the full size Kung and they try to pass it off, it's like,
uh, they're like, yes, we'll use the full size con but
when it's laying down and sleeping, that was Look, this movie doesn't make
a lot of smart decisions. That was a smart decision on the park,
But why aren't the why are the reporters so eager to get so close to
the thing. Do they all forget the other one just broke out apparently?
I mean again like going to Godzilla stuff. How they all just crowd around
like, oh, nothing will happen to me, oh giant Egg. It's
like, yeah, like Mathro, whichoul probably get away for. Just take
it easy, you are dealing with that lady. They start to do the
surgery. Yeah, and it goes on for like twenty minutes. It's so
long. I don't need to see you bringing all the tubes over for the
blood transfusion. I don't care, just little clips. Like there's a lot
to do. There's a lot of patting in this. Oh my gosh.
So they're bringing the heart and then it almost falls and they like cut his
heart out, and doesn't he like start like bleeding everywhere. So like right
before they lower his heart in when they start like panicking like, oh,
like drink the blood or something. I forget. But it's like so are
we supposed to It's hard to get invested in it and be like, oh,
I hope KNG lives. It's like he's a murderer, like what And
none of these characters have any relationship. It's not like Jessica Lang and Jeff
Bridges. Suddenly everybody's like, yeah, we love cong and it's just like
who are you? Did you not see what he just did prior No Jessica
Lang and Jeff Bridges, baby, but everyone else they're like, yeah,
that big gorilla that like crashed that train and threw that chick. Like,
no, this Kong is scary. No one wants him to live, but
he does live, and there's yeah, King Kong lives. There's a big
celebration and I don't know if you caught this, So a lot of people
are celebrating waving flags and then there's a little there's a little person of color
boy and he's waving a Confederate flag and I'm like, huh, I'm like
that's that one. Oh No, I saw that right away and I was
like, so I think the idea was and how people probably justify the flag
back then is like, yeah, it's a symbol of like hating authority and
the government. And it's like maybe, but it's regardless. It is very
it's very jarring. No cut to the famous country song country for Life,
Yo doing it like Boa and Dupe going to do hands yet, So yeah,
Hayde he's hey, he just don't like, what does that? And
then flow, but they keep coming back from Kong wakes up and he can
smell the female ape. I guess he's like ripping out the tubes and then
he's like trying to jump up on the bars. But he's also like looking
at the moon, going like, oh yeah. So his first thought after
ten years in a coma. By the way, he doesn't have atrophy.
Apparently, his first thought is like, I gotta get laid. I gotta
gotta get laid. Yeah. Was there was there an Italian gentleman in this
that was a very offensive term, Johannah. Anyway, I'm not gonna say
it. Uh yeah. So so they they Johanna, they had ten years
to figure out how to restrain Khan. They had ten years. He wakes
up and just breaks the chains right, just breaks them right the fuck away.
It's not like how there's like no scar or anything on his chest.
He's heart. He's gonna go over time the one goes the other monkey's gone
ape shit, it's like, well, which one is in monkey or eate?
You gotta decide which one it is. Uh. Kong shows up and
he saves lady so fuck all right, So you guys don't understand maybe it's
not showing well because it's a horrible VHS footage, Like at no point.
I don't know if maybe maybe the movie was able to like make you suspend
your disbelief. But for me watching this movie, at no point did I
think, oh, these are two giant grillas. The entire time, I'm
like, these are two men in ape suits pretending to be in love.
Yeah, like like not, like, these are clearly two stuntmen, And
I'm imagining the director be like, okay, smile at each other, like
just holy chill. My favorite was when Kong picked up the snake and it
scared Lady Kong because girls all like icky creatures. You gotta make sure that's
the girl thing. Yes, giant, giant, regular girl is would probably
throw the goddamn snake and beat the shit out. Uh so I have it
in the year we just made fun of Kan. But the KNG suits are
terrible. All the other effects at this point in the movie have not been
table. They're like, okay, they're okay. Also, the suits look
like something I would buy at like party city. They don't look anywhere near
as good as the previous movie suit. So like the other one isn't like
the most like wonderful thing ever whatever, but like it was still pretty good
at this point. At this point in this year, you've had things like
Star Wars that came out that looks thousands of leagues better. Yeah, we
should point out we watched a VHS rip of this. I assume you watched
it on your big screen at home. Yeah, I watched it on the
eighty two or in the eighty four, I watch it on my computer screen.
Okay, so maybe we're not watching like the latest Blu ray quality.
Maybe it looks much better. Maybe it's the quality of the VHS we have
that makes the effects look bad. Let's give it the benefit of the doubt.
No, absolutely not. Okay. So the army is hunting Kong and
Hamilton and Mitchell. I forget the actor's name, so I think I'm saying
his character's name. They're trying to find them first, And I take back
everything I said about the effects in the previous scene. The Kongs on a
miniature set. It looks like Power Rangers. It's so bad, and like
the whole time it wants you to be like, look, how romantic.
They by the way, I don't know if I can get into gorillas being
romantic. I honestly, god so obviously like a spoilers, you know,
they do freaking I'm actually a thousand. I'm like so shocked they didn't actually
show it or at least like alluding to like someone's about to go down.
They probably could have, because have you ever seen gorillas have sex? Yes,
it's really bland, like the guy just gets back and it's like oh,
and then they're done. It's like, oh, that reminded me of
the turtle. The turtles seemed to be enjoying. It's like, who is
that Bruno Mars had that song like a bag bag like gorilla and someone actually
I think someone cut that song to actual gorilla sex in some video, and
like the gorillas just seem like they're like it's so like okay, I am
inserting, i am done. I'm going to leave now. Like it doesn't
seem passionate or anything. The internet has too much time. But yeah,
so it looks it looks like Power Rangers the whole the whole miniature set looks
Parrangers better. Huh, Power Rangers doesn't beast better? Yeah, probably us,
yes, and again and again. By the way, the miniature sets
like they just look like guys in gorilla suits, and the miniatures like they
look so bad. I'm like, oh, these are guys in gorilla suits
on like a toy set like this, I'm never immersed in the effect.
And like, I can't believe how much better the seventies one was, because
we thought some of the effects and that were dodgy, but thelu the blue
screen and like, I know, I made fun of the one scene where
like was it KNG was like reaching down or whatever it was when Jeff Bridges
was like high Yeah, yeah, I mean there's something Dodge you really see,
like the rock move and it just doesn't edit him out, Like I
forgive all that stuff looking at this now, Yeah, it's so bad.
So Lynna Hamilton and the other guy they're they're trying to find him and they
walk across a rickety bridge. Were they supposed to do like a romantic thing
with them with this? Like is that what they were going with? Like
yeah, like he saves her and I guess she's in love with him.
Now this feels like there's a lot of this movie that feels like padding and
this feels like padding, really do we need the bridge? I following,
why do we need this? It's not even like it's not even like the
rehashing Kang breaking the bridge. It's like, oh, I'm on a rickety
bridge and oh no, why did we need the scenes with Kong and Lady
Kong to last that long? I guess we're supposed I guess we're supposed to
care about their relationship. Uh. Yeah, So he saves her and it's
like, what And by the way, who builds a bridge at the very
end of a waterfall they wanted the view or so, I don't know what,
there's no excuse I was gonna say, Like, I mean, I
probably wouldn't build a bridge at the end of a waterfall. I'd probably build
it further back and put a net down in case someone fell. Yeah.
So they find the Kongs and like the Mitchell guy is like, if we
get them, we can send them back to Borneo or Kong Island, and
uh, this is where my brain turned on. I was like, I
wonder how the natives are doing on Skull Island, like because Jeff Bridge said
they were all gonna be like drunk assholes and like we never revisited. I
wanted to see if Lenna Hamilton it'll be like, no, Jeff Bridges was
right, they're all drunks. Now, he would be like, who's Jeff
Bridge. I still think it was me and Jeff Bridges said that because if
go back and watch our King Kong seventy six video, like Jeff Bridges like,
we took Kanng away from them, those natives are gonna be all drunks.
Yeah, because we took away, like we took away were God.
And it's like, no, I'm pretty sure they lived in fear and their
happiness gone. They don't have to sacrifice our women anymore. Yeah, I
think this is a great I would be getting drunk after. I'd be like
hell yeah, celebratory. Uh So, Yeah, we find out that the
Kangs aren't the only horny ones. Linda Hamilton, who's hated the guy character
from the beginning, is now horny and she's like, come into my sleeping
bag, you know what. That's all. It brings up another point of
the dude, Yeah, only wanted to sell Lady Kong in the beginning,
wanted to make money. Now all of a sudden he cares about her and
her well being and wants her to be okay. So I want to point
out like they didn't get horny until they realized the Kongs were gonna fuck,
and they gave him their privacy. And then Linda Hamilton's like, I'm kind
of turned on now. It's like, wait, what what did the pheromones
from Lady Kong interact with your pheromone? Like? What the fuck is say?
She's turned on by Gorilla's doing the thing. I don't think I've ever
seen like two dogs humping and been like hopped. I suddenly want to have
said like, that's not how it worked. Oh oh my god, it's
weird. Right. Hamilton's like, all those giant murdering apes are gonna have
sex. I want to get laid right now. I hated this movie.
I hate this that who I want to remind you guys, if you watched
the previous movie destroyed a train car, pulled out a woman and just tossed
her. Linda Hamilton is looking at that same ape being like, what a
handsome guy. I need to Okay. So they wake up and realize King
Kong is gone, it's only Lady Kong that's there, and we get one
frame of Linda Hamilton's tits, plus she gets out of the thing. It's
it's so weird. Is the movie rated are one second U thirteen. This
is why the MPa sucks, because they're always changing their mind, like what
is and isn't allowed. So there's blood and gore in this and a tit
for a second PG thirteen. You cannot get away with that these days anyway.
So we see a tit for a second and yeah, again, I
can't get over how bad the miniatures and blue screen look. Kong is like
climbing a mountain in the daytime. As it goes on to it's like they
ran out of money, and they ran out of money. Like as they
were making more and more blue screenshots, you think they'd be like, hey,
let's let's joe with some of this. Lady Kong is captured and King
Kong is not happy about this, but he gets attacked and he escapes in
the river and he bumps his head on a rock and they all think he's
dead, and the main army guy says, not even your King Kong could
survive. That he was shot by helicopters and fell off the World Trade Center
and he survived that the army guy should be like, for all we know
he's still alive, let's just throw rockets into the river just to be safe.
Just I like how just his heart was affected, not like his bones.
Yes, yeah, it's really hit or miss, like what affects him
or not. She's like his heart. It's like he he's probably gonna bleed
out. He's shot and bleeding everywhere. But it's like it's like if you
saw me fall off the roof of this building after getting shot in the riontime
and then I survived and then like like a year later, I like fall
off a curb and scratch my knee and you'd be like, there's no way
he's gonna survive that. It's like, hey, I fell off a built
and I survived. Like it's so weird because it's not like people don't know
Kanan's history. It should have been the most amazing thing to have ever happened
in history, like he would know like, oh, he fell off from
a way higher thing and survived. I hate this movie. Yeah, so
Lady cong is held captive and I can't stress enough how bad the blue screen
is. And they decided to have ten thousand blue screen shots where characters are
talking with Lady Kong. And by the way, I think again, it's
it kept getting worse. It's hard to tell in this version, but I
think one of the problems is I think everything is in focus. It's not
like they put a little blur on her in the back. They get so
bad. So somehow Linda Hamilton gets a letter from the Justice Department where she's
able to visit, and Linda Hamilton has figured out that the apes are not
only can they smell each other, but they're psychic. She's like, she
knows Kanan's alive. It's after they banged they got that psychic link. Is
that a Is that a giant gorilla trade? I'm gonna tell you right now.
I don't think I've ever had psychic links with anyone, So I don't
know what. Well that's true, I'm not I'm not. Uh yes,
So the Kanan Oh, So they're like Kanng is dead. He's so big,
there's no way he can have enough protein to sustained his diet. What's
he gonna eat? And then it cuts to Kong in a swamp. Fuck
this movie, So he picks up a baby alligator. It is specifically a
baby alligator. It's snow isn't grown enough yet, Yeah, and it wants
us the viewer to think that this is a big alligator. This okay,
this is like if they want it kanan to like fight a dog. And
they brought a puppy in, like we know the difference between a puppy and
it like the that's a baby alligator. And then they cut because they went
at the reaction shot from the alligator. For some god, they cut to
like an adult alligator which looks nothing like the baby alligator. And the funniest
part about this, as he's like breaking its head and he's putting them on
a stick, they just cut to a frog reacting to everything, just like
there's so in this movie. There's just a frog that's like it's a big
gorilla. Glad that wasn't me. Why don't even think the frog can comprehend
what's going on? Like oh, like like when he breaks the alligator's neck,
it cuts the frog on forever. He was supposed to be like a
comedy thing. I don't I don't know. I put them one like a
stick, like a kimbuff. So cut to howevery however many months, uh,
it takes for a cong to give a baby to have a baby.
Months later, Linda Hamilton and the guy are now super in love. They're
they're like, they're like super romantic for some reason. They they find out
Lady Kong is sad and they think she's dying, but we as the viewer,
no, like she's pregnant. Like it's it's really freaking out. You're
not gonna put a Lady Kong in this movie and not deliver on her getting
probably It's like, Okay, that was a good one. That was a
good one. Everyone clap clap for Johannah. Okay, So how has Kang
gone unnoticed for this long? What they can't? I can't. I can't
even argue for it because I was thinking about it. Because he doesn't need
to eat a lot. He's gigantic. He would be just where would he
be hiding? That's another good I mean, I guess they're in like a
weird they're in like a weird thing where they're in the south, but there's
mountains everywhere. But he would be destroying the ecosystem of wherever he was,
Like, it would be real easy to find me. He would have literally
been brought in already they would be doing helicopter flights all the time, but
it'd be like, hey, guys, did you notice there's like a shocking
life back of deer around and like, hey, I noticed in the swamp,
like a lot of these animals are overpopulating because all the alligators are gone.
Should we maybe check the swamp? Like It's like he couldn't go that
unnoticed for that long. It's ridiculous. Hate this movie. Uh. And
then I guess for some reason, he shows up in Civilization. He interrupts
like a couple that are like Mickey up the weirdest. He's like a peeping
tom during that scene, he's just like, hey, they're about to get
freaky. I remember when I got freaky? How are you doing in there?
So he shows up with this town and then the town is like it's
all like rednecks, and the guy gets on a motorcycle that everyone else is
getting into boats and trucks, and then he like drives underneath Kong's legs,
and I was expecting. I'm like, all right, they're showing how cool
this guy is because clearly they're gonna kill him, and then they they don't.
Nothing happened kNN literally looks and goes huh and then walks away. It's
like, what the fuck was the point of that? And maybe it was
just like, oh yeah, that was rad, dude. You can live.
You can live only you though, And this part I thought was really
u realistic. There was like a bunch of hillbillies with like guns and stuff.
I hated this seem so much. Yeah, so there's a bunch of
hillbillies. They're like, we're gonna get them, blah blah blah. The
military comes out and they're like, you guys can't do that, Like,
yes, we can. I thought it was really unrealistic that the military armed
forces could not stop a roaming gang of hillbillies. I was like, what
world? What world? Did I ask you? How your DC trip went?
By the way, are you crying? It's great. So the Rednecks
are camping out, they find Kung and they uh, they set off some
dynamite and they bury him at an avalanche and having a lanche that conveniently stops
right where their camps, he's like stuck up to here. Yeah, so
they had an excuse to use the full size head and they I wanted to
say they were smart by not showing the face of the full size head because
obviously it would look bad. But whoever was in charge of the big head
effect, they were like, the blue screen's gonna look a lot better.
And I imagine that person sat in the theater going, oh my god,
it looks so much worse than what he did. So yeah, they're like
torturing Kong. They give him alcohol and then he spits it out at them
and yeah, all that good stuff. What are you doing? And it's
just like you expect a gorilla or any type of animal not to spit out
alcohol, especially liquor. Yeah, and then the one like right wing redneck
guy, he gets like a conscience and he betrays them, much like Richard
Spencer betrayed the alt right and he told everyone to voe for Biden. So
he's like the Richard Spencer of this movie. Kong breaks out, he explodes
out of the thing, and I was not ready for this level of violence
in the movie, by the way, because it's been pretty teen. He
gets the other guy, and I was fucking I was laughing so hard.
See they drove the line at animal. Okay, the people are fine,
so they grab he grabs the other guy and he eats them and then he's
like, oh, shot them my teeth. Then he pulls out the guy's
hat. It's just I burst it out laughing. I was like, you
gotta be fucking kidding. And I'll mean one thing if this was just a
straight up comedy, but it's not. So those scenes feel weird. Yeah,
so all this excitement is hurting Kanan's robot heart. He's like, He's
like, oh man, so that's hurting. And then Linda Hamilton's got her
like machine that sinks up with the heart and she's like, I gotta do
the sequence to fix his heart. And then kan gets in the way and
steps on the machine. She's like, he won't last a day now.
Uh. Then they go this fucking scene they go to the camp with the
Hillbillies where they're all dead, and she's like, Kng, you've killed.
There's nothing stopping them from killing you. Now. It's like, yeah,
yeah, kN killed. He was in New York and he killed a lot
of people ten years. He's already a killer, shocking as soon as they
forget as soon as he broke it doesn't matter if he kills new people.
As soon as he broke out of the facility. They're like, oh,
he's a killer, we gotta kill him. New people doesn't matter. Okay,
So Kong is walking around in the daytime and he steps on a car,
and by car, I mean they went to like a store and they
bought like a miniature model kid. I hate it. Yeah, But then
it comes to some guy going, my dad's gonna kill me, and it's
like, I think, I think you're gonna get away with this, like
you're drunk driving or just being a while trying to show off for a girl,
Like did I miss it? Did he was? He like, oh,
I stole my dad's car, Like maybe that, but it's like you're
like, hey, dad, I couldn't predict that a giant gorilla would start
walking around and crushing the car. I noticed it. In this movie,
Kan actually walks on all fours like a regular gorilla most of the time.
I mean he does still stand up and walk, but that's all. That
Also weird me out because of the previous movie he didn't do that, and
now his arms are bigger. I'm like, what the fuck what happened here?
What is this the same? Uh? So that was stupid. The
Army has Lady Kong surround it and King Kong shows up to save her.
In this giant sixty football was it Linda Hamilton or whatever and the dude or
like trying to break into like they're like, we'll go in nighttime, so
military, right, the army, And so when the dude finally breaks in
and he's running, they just whacking with the gun instead of actually shooting him.
Yeah. Yeah. Also, when I'm breaking into a military base at
night, I make sure to wear the brightest colors. Pop. I make
sure to wear bright white so I can blend in with the shadow. I
hate this movie, but you know who is really good at stealth, King
Kong. Apparently the sixty boot gorilla is walking quietly so the military doesn't hear.
It's because he's black. He blends him with the Knights. Yeah.
In the previous movie, didn't you hear his footsteps? Like constant positive?
Is he is? He tippy toeing in this one? So he's I guess.
So he's like because he's on all fours now, okay, So he's
sneaking looking at the military and they're all like, huh, I wouldn't hear
this giant gorillica me? And then I shit you not, I'm not making
this up. Kan picks up a bunch of dirt and throws it at them,
much like Batman uses smoke bombs to uh hide himself. He throws the
dirt to blind all of them, and he attacks all of them like he's
freaking Batman. What is going on? The last thing I ever thought of
was Kanan being stealthy, and he beats the ship out of these tags too.
He actually sucks up these next page, we're almost to the end at
the end, so they get to a Lady Kong's facility. They take out
the military guys there. They're they're very strong apparently, uh and they're like,
wait, she's not sad, she's pregnant. It's like and us as
the audience is like, yeah, she's pregnant. We know, we got
it, we got it movie. This isn't a big revelation. It's to
the point where they shouldn't have made of the surprise because everyone fucking knew,
Like everyone who watches us with the half of brain's gonna be like, oh,
yeah, she's pregnant. So they go into her little thing and it's
a what is this giant elevator inside this big one. That scene took so
long you didn't have to show the entire elevator ride. Also, that blue
screen for the elevator ride was the worst thing I've ever seen in this movie.
Wait is this Did they make it specifically for Kung? Is this like
an unused missile silo? What is this thing that they're in? Who built
it? Why did they build it? Did it? Wasn't this a new
facility? Or am I thinking about the previous one, because then did they
make No Kong ripped through that previous one. This one's underground, so they're
they're about to leave the doors opening to the top, but then the army
guy wakes up and closes it. What are they gonna do? Well,
King Kong? He opens up the door like a hero. Remember I think
he's supposed to be the bad guy, but anyway, he's a hero in
this one. He's like screaming, and then the he's like was like,
yeah, lady, Lady Kong. Let's just say she's in a group activities
because she grabs the guy like she wants him there too, like all right,
like we get it, your Polly anyway, So she grabs the guy
and uh, I kind of like this because usually in King Kong history it's
always been male Kong grabs the girl. So I like the twist of lady
k grabbing the guy looks super pissed that he was there. Yeah, he
wasn't really thrilled about it. He's like, a woman's touching you, How
dare you cooking me? That's like when you're trying to hang out with a
girl in like high score college and it's like, hey, you want to
hang out. They're like sure. Then you show up, like this is
my friend Steve, and like, oh, she brought a guy to the
Oh, I thought this was a date. We must not be on the
scene at one time that you know, I was hanging out with my friend
and she invited you over, and then you know I'm playing Final Fantasy.
Yeah, yeah, like that. It's weird, right. I was just
like, you guys, do what you need to do. I mean,
I agree it was weird, but that's what this is. Like. Han's
like I saved you and you have my baby, and who's that guy?
Is he? Like your friend? Who is? Yeah? So they escape
and then there's like another and by the way, I'm saying Hillbilly, I'm
not saying because they're from the South, and I'm not saying rednecks. I'm
not being offensive. This movie is portraying them as stereotypical hillbilly and rednecks.
Like this is when I say that, I mean that's what the movie wants
me to think, that type bullshit. Yeah, this isn't like just this
isn't an accurate representation of most of the South. I feel like that being
said. Like my dad, My dad is a very Italian guy with a
mustache who makes pasta all the time. So who am I to talk about
stereotyping. He should be on a video soon. I should get him in
an a review. Let me know if you want my dad in the review.
We have some ideas of what we can review together. But do you
guys want to see me review a movie with my dad? Let me know.
Yeah. So they they crash the hillbilly thing and it's so funny because
the guy's like, what's up in our family reunion and blah blah blah blah.
In the background, you see the congs, but the blue screen is
so poor that it almost looks like they're just right there next to the people,
Like if you they're just still partying and it's just like, yeah,
that's happening outside what Yeah, like the whole the sense of scale and perspective
does not work in this movie. And we watch for our podcast, we
watch fucking to Godzilla, King Kong movies that somehow pulled this off. That's
even like this. This actually reminded me of the neys Godzilla game. Remember
with the volcano you head jump over it, but it literally looked like it
was so far away. Yeah, but it was like in the fort.
It's so weird. But we watched these like stupid like King Kong. God
still love movies from the past, and somehow I'm able to get more immersed
in those than this anyway, So they all flee and lady Kan falls back
into the bar because she's going into labor. It's baby time, she's about
to have She's about to go into labor. But then the military shows up
and Kan has to defend his lady and he gets shot to ship again.
It's it's time his problem. It's not as bad as the previous one,
but it's still a lot of blood. It's super bloody. But uh,
I don't know, but yeah, so he like kills basically the entire army,
which I think is again he did that in the previous one. No
one cheers this time. The previous one, Jeff Bridges cheered when the army
guys like you get yourself as really mean. Uh, some kN kills all
of them. He's like hurling tank I do like the Hong Kong is hurling
tanks and stuff. Uh. But then the main army guy who I keep
calling main army guy, I don't know his name. I think I had
this song with Justin earlier. I think he said that guy was in Beverly
Hills cop the main army guy, but I'm not sure. Uh. So
he's like shooting Kanan. Yeah, and then Kong and his last effort.
Wait, the guy has plenty of time to run because Kong holds his fist
up for what He's just standing there like, oh well, I'm not gonna
get squished by that giant hand. And then he just crushes the locket.
I laughed. I laughed. I laughed so hard. Uh. Okay,
so he's dead. Uh. Kong's heart is finally giving out, or it
could just be he's bleeding out from the millions of bullets that a inside of
him. Well both, and Lady Kong gives birth to baby Kong, and
I told you, like I think on paper, this scene must read really
well and be very tragic. It's like Kung Lady Kong gives birth and Kan
Krals he's reaching for the baby. Hamilton's will like, yes, reach for
him. Because then the dudes also like let him see his son, because
because gorillas can't talk and you need someone to give direction, and so yeah,
the heroes are like, look at him, show him, and then
the baby Kong's like daddy. Ah. And by the way, baby Kong,
it's just a guy in a gorilla suit. Yes, it's the same
humans, which I don't think. I think it should be a little bit
bigger anyway. So it's just a guy in a gorilla suits. You literally
went through all that labor just to pop out like a cherry. Yeah.
Uh. And it's just like it's like daddy and then and then he dies
and he's crying, and then the baby's like, what's going on? I
just was born a second ago and now I have to learn about death.
What's going on? Reminds me of that sad video of the Uh that's gonna
that's gonna bum people out. I was watching some nature video where like a
thin an antelope gave birth to another anelope, and the baby animal to another
animal gave birth to a tiger. You know. The antelope is like learning
to walk and it still is the placenta and it's like oh, and then
a cheetah grips and it's like, oh, oh, that's gonna be hard.
It's like so horrifying. It might have been a zebra. I don't
know anyway. So this baby is just born in Kong and it sees its
dad dies, so it like it has to figure out what death is and
it's like ah uh, and it's very emotional and like it should be emotional,
but the effects are so bad. The baby Kong looks like shit,
The adult kungs look like shit. The awful blue screening of Linda Hamilton and
the other guy look like shit. So the scene that should read very very
sadly, it's just very very cringing. It's like last week we did collateral
damage with Arnold Schwarzenegger and when his family dies in the beginning, it should
be sad, but the way it's filmed, it seems like it's an appaent
movie. This is what this is like, this should be sad, but
it's being filmed so poorly. Uh yeah, And for some reason, more
military people don't show up and kill the other Kongs. They I assumed they
flew them back to Borneo because now a lady Kong is in the woods,
she's like or whatever, YU like swing in and they're like, huh you
guy, oh man. And then it's like supposed to be a happy ending.
You know what happy ending? Was it actually ending? Yeah? This
this one's bad. This one's really You told me that it was uh what
was your wording? Sometimes some type of short hold on the hell? Did
you tell me mercifully? Sure, it's only an hour and thirty minutes.
That's still too much. It's it's shorter than me and Newt's Ghostbusters two review,
which ended up being longer than the movie. It it feels longer than
it is. That's the thing. It's a short movie. But because yeah,
because you wanted it to be over. You want it, Yes,
yes, you very much wanted to be over. So so that movie I
mentioned in the beginning that the director wanted to do I think it was called
what was it, Tye Taypan, right, yeah, Taipan. So they
ended up making that movie different director, No, Sean Connery. They made
that movie and they made this and it bankrupted, you know, Dela Ranis's
company. He eventually rebound it because, unlike other Italian directors, he actually
made good movies. Occasionally he did schlock, but he eventually did the Silence
of the Lambs movies and stuff like that, so bankrupted the company. Lynda
Hamilton said she liked that she wasn't the damsel in distress, but the movie
wasn't very good. Uh. And then I set you the clip, and
I can only find someone filming their TV of this. Yeah. So the
studio sent like the thing to Cisco and Ebert and they they said, we're
not gonna get you. We're only gonna give you clips for your low show,
not your national show, and you have to sign a paper saying you
won't show the clips on the other show, or we're not going to give
you. You're not allowed to have any of these clips. But this new
one is so bad that the film company actually said Roger and me letters saying
they would let a show snippets of the film on our local TV shows in
Chicago only if we promised in writing not to show you the same clips on
this our national show. Obviously they were scared, and obviously neither one of
us would sign such a letter. So no scenes from King Kong list.
That's almost a public service instead, just this morning. If you don't believe
me or Roger, believe a film company that think about it couldn't find a
single scene they didn't wanted you to see. So how's this ranked your King
Kong? How would you write this about the other King kNs? Here's the
other ones? Yeah, I can't even show where this is better than worse
than King Kong escapes. Now that one was actually that one was actually stupid
that a robot con I laughed, like, you know, it wasn't like
the like ha ha haa, it's really bad. I was just kind of
like, oh ha ha. It's hard to think Kan seventy six as a
disappointing sequel because it's like, all right, Gong s eventy, this was
fine, Like I shouldn't feel like that wasn't it ruined the memory of the
previous one because the previous one's not great. But yeah, this one sucked.
This one was so fucking bad. Were they just trying to force another
one out to like I don't know what, because I think the first one
did okay. I think it made money, but it wasn't like a huge
cultural impact. I mean it helped Jessica Lang and Jeff Bridges' career, but
I don't think anyone won it a second kan, especially ten years later.
Like maybe I had to do something with the rights where they had to like
do something to make you know, like with Sony and Spider Bull. Well,
like I said, there was a lot of legal issues. What I
mean, maybe there's like a thing like that. Imagine getting like a sequel
to the Broaderick Godzilla in two thousand and eight. That's what this is.
Like, it'd be weird, right, I'd be like, oh, yeah,
I remember that movie where they're doing a sequel to that one. Seems
odd. Did they leave it open at the end too, Yeah, in
the cartoon series picks it up, But yeah, uh skip this one.
Skip it unless like you're like super bored. You're trying to do like a
drinking game or some I don't know, something stupid. Yeah, have fun.
Drink every time that's a bad blue screenshot. You'll be dead. Drink
every time you see the Lady Kong titty. Well, Johanna, that was
fun. What's not fun is how am I gonna sell all this stuff you
got me from DC? Well? I have some interested buyers. Oh you
should put on this hat just because it's funny. Okay, are we gonna
like take a picture so people know what they're getting. I'm gonna take a
picture of you with cheery Should I hold this replica flag? Yeah? Okay,
smile yeah, perfect? Yeah cool. I guess people will see that
picture and then want to buy the stuff, right, yeah, okay,
I mean is that is that something else you got from DC? Yeah?
Yeah, I want to show it off. Oh you everybody felt about it,
you know? Okay, well that's that's pretty interesting. And oh it
looks like there's someone outside. Oh my god, I smoke them United States
sitting up. No, No, I had nothing to do with that.
I wasn't even in DC. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I like how
these movies did the shared universe, like where it wasn't annoyingly interconnected like the
Marvel ones have become or the DCEO. It's like, oh yeah, there's
an organization they deal with monsters liked to put that in like, oh yeah,
like he's still gonna he's still growing. Don't worry. He'll be big
enough to punch Godzilla. Don't worry. The question we're going to ask in
this review is did Peter Jackson do too much? Was he a little too
excessive with this film? I think it's a very good question to ask,
yes, because this movie is famously very long, and people highly criticize that.
I showed you you had seen these scenes out of context, most not
all of them, but most of them I'd seen on YouTube, like the
cut scenes. So this is the first time you've watched the extended cut with
thirty eight minutes of deleted scenes. It was shockingly long movie. Yes,
longer, but it feels longer. What is the runtime of the extended cut?
Because the standalone movies three hours? Right, the standalone movie is three
hours eight minutes, so we're talking about plus thirty eight most of four hours.
The hell just drop. It was the Lola Lola up. I love
this movie. I was saying that, you tell he saw my starlog magazine.
I was this is like one of the movies I can remember just slavishly
following the production. Yeah, yeah, it was a big deal when it
came out, and it was good because he was putting out those production diaries
and whatnot, so this is a movie you could follow. It was also
right after Lord of the Rings, so everybody want to know what is this
guy going to do next? Yes, we were all hype on Lord of
the Rings. Peter Jackson could do no wrong. I had gone back and
I watched some of his horror stuff and film pretty fun. Yeah, yeah,
so I'm just like, I am all on board for the next Peter
Jackson thing. And then he said he was doing King Kong. And I
love King Kong. Probably my favorite giant monster, the thirties movie. Yes,
yeah, Kingkong. In generally, I've talked about how the seventies,
the seventies King Kong is really creepy, but I like it. For some
reason, King Kong Lives not so much. I wasn't a big fan of
King Kong versus Godzilla, but I've seen the Japanese at it. I love
that movie. The Japanese version of that movie is great. I mean,
King Kong still looks stupid in it, of course, but I've actually also
gone back and watched King Kong Escapes I've never seen that. That's a fun
one. Okay, I need to check that out. Yeah, and dress
part kind of was like the modern King Kong in a lot of way,
even reference to the movie and yeah, what I got in there? King
Kong? It really have to make a modern King Kong. But they did
it anyway. I'm glad they did. Yeah, and it's surprised it didn't
happen earlier, but it almost did. It almost did. And Peter Jackson
was involved with it early on. It's crazy to think he did Frighteners than
the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Yeah, and there's a lot of stuff
behind the Lord of the Rings trilogy and how that was, you know,
going on, and how it could have changed behind this. Originally it was
gonna be like two films, I think, and then they got involved,
No, it has to be three. They famously pushed the production back because
they had to grow the shire. Peter Jackson almost did this movie in nineteen
ninety six. Yes, and it was pretty different. There's gonna be carnotauruses,
there was gonna be a lot of different animals, but a lot of
the creature designed that they initially went for in the in that back in the
nineties they transferred over to this film. Okay. Famously, there's this big
statue of Kong fighting the three t rexes I think they were called back then.
Yeah, and they still have it, I think in Weta like,
oh, I believe they do. Yeah, this movie was a long time
in the making, and it wasn't until you know, you proved yourself on
this little Lord of the Rings thing that will give you King Kong. But
yeah, it's very interesting to look back at. We were talking about this
last night. Yeah, Jurassic World is almost ten years old. This movie
was ten years old when Jurassic World came out. Yeah, and now it's
seventeen, like it's getting close to like its twentieth anniversary, which is shocking.
But yeah, second best King Kong movie ever. Eight Yeah, probably
yea. Yeah, I do love this movie and I love the passion he
put into it because it's his favorite movie. Is the original King Kong.
You can tell you got to remake it. Could you imagine remaking like a
great original, like a film in your own vision? Like how do I?
I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it because there's no way to
improve upon Roadhouse it's all right. Okay. So if someone said, Tony,
You're gonna remake Roadhouse, I'm like, I don't know how to do
it. I couldn't. It's impossible. And not only Roadhouse, but the
lore of Roadhouse too. Shut up the no, there is no Roadhouse too
anyway. Uh, Roadhouse the final chapter. But somehow Peter Jackson like,
you're gonna remake King Kong. He's like, yeah, I'm in uh not
the first time directors remade a movie they love. John Carpenter got to do
the thing, uh, Peter Steven Spielberg, War the Worlds, Yes,
uh yeah, there's loads. Yes, this was an incredible film to like
watch production of, to like read the behind the scenes. I think he
talked about like the nineties one even he admits probably what it sucked. They
were like wacky jokes in it, and really I did not know that.
I think they were trying to be more like an Indiana Jones thing, and
the other version sounds fun to me. Yeah. I mean that that model
worked for the Mummy movies, so it's working for Jurassic World. Yeah.
I mean those movies are raking in like billions. I do wonder though,
because this movie plays it more. So this movie comes off more like it's
funny we talk about Jurassic Park. It actually reminds me more of the Lost
World. Yeah, like the jungle and the more viciousness of the animals.
And we'll get to the creature designed later on, because I also want to
connect that back to the newer Jurassic Park movies. But uh, yeah,
you know, Jurassic Park was a big thing in the nineties, and then
of course you've got this ninety six before Lost World even come out, So
they probably were like, let's combine Raiders with the special effects. That makes
a lot of sense of Jurassic Park and Redo Kingong, Yeah sense. Yeah,
we watched the very, very long version. Yeah. Oh, and
we have some opinions on it. Yeah, And I remember people giving me
a lot of shit for loving this movie because it was so long. People
complained about it back then. Yeah, as I'm old, as I've matured
and gotten older looking back, I still love this movie. Yeah. But
now that the hype has died down and everything, I'm looking at it now
and I'm like, yeah, they could have shaped a lot out of this.
Yeah, they could have really trimmed out a lot of this to make
it a better experience for sure, Like because the funny thing I talked to
you about is it's not like you can take out a bad scene. It's
that all of these greatly made scenes are making for a poor narrative. And
I think that was Peter Jackson, not necessarily because you can see he's throwing
everything he can at the movie and it's cool. But unlike The Lord of
the Rings, where you've got three three act structured movies that are these characters
are being developed over the course of several different struggles. But this movie is
just a remake of King Cols. That's the thing, like I think we've
learned now, especially from The Hobbit, Like Lord of the Rings, those
are really long books. You can condense and move things around and you can
make long movies out of them. And this is this should have been a
warning for us. With the Hobbit, it's like, hey, King Kong's
not a long movie. Yeah, this didn't need to be that stretched out
with these many characters. And then the Hobbit comes along and it's like this
did not need to be this long, buddy, Well, especially the third
one, I thought, that's that's Peter Jackson's Achilles Heel. It might be
like, and I get it, making the long movie, making the big
long movie. He normalized the three hour movie. Multiplexes will show it more,
it'll run longer, It'll push all these other movies out of theaters because
people want to go see the big movie. Well, I think there's a
caveat to of that if you release it at a good time, because this
movie came at the very end of two thousand and five. Yes, like
December, where December nothing was competing against it. Chronicles of Narnia did that
come out of December? Yes. I saw both of those in theaters.
Yeah. I remember all my friends were hype for Narnia. I'm like,
I look like a poor man's Lord of the Rings. I'm gonna go see
King com I have since see here's my problem with here's the problem I have
with Narnia, and I'll show you when it came out. So Narnia comes
out. Uh. And in high school, my hair and everything, I
looked like you look like mister Tummins. I looked like mister Tumnus in high
school, you did look like that. Everyone called me mister Tummins. Oh
okay, and then I eventually watched the movie. I'm like, I'm a
fucking goat man to you people, well what epic movie came out? Like
right after that? They're right, actually, and then don't worry. Years
later I embraced it and I was drunk mister Tumnus with Halloween. I walked
around with like the horns. I got it. I got it. So
I was just like, fuck, got a coat, I'm gonna go see
the Gorilla movie. I remember seeing the trailer for this and getting hyped.
Really cool, really dark, really fun. I remember not being too sold
on King Kong's design, but that's fine. It changed it. Yeah,
yeah, what's just funny this making of King Kong. But they still got
the tooth thing. Me find it. I was skimming through the video game
you were talking about also kind of still has the uh the older unrevised look
of cong Yes, which I have the I have the video game right there,
but yeah, it's just like the final shot of Kong and it's with
the tooth sticking out. Yeah. I remember that image was everywhere. Yeah,
and promotion. Then they re they remodeled it. They do have some
of the updated design. Why did they remodel. It was it after like
people complaining online or just that maybe they just changed their mind, because remember
Gollum, by the way, skimming through this this movie, you're gonna think
it's all digital. A lot of their giant sets miniature. It looks good.
Yeah, some of the green screen and blue screen might not look good
today. Okay, okay, you know, but when they're on a set,
like look how big that wall set? Cool? But anyway, yeah,
I remember seeing the trailer and then like months later, like even the
poster, and then they changed it. But he did something similar with Lord
of the Rings. Gollum looked b a different. I did not know that.
What did he look like? Well got him and Fellowship of the Ring.
They never do a close up on him. It was like yeah,
or like his face is just shaped different. If you look at the Fellowship
of the Ring, the few glimpses you get, he looks very okay okay,
And they were gonna go with that design, but I guess when they
were doing the second one they just changed more expression for Andy Serkis to act
and probably probably probably, but I like the design they went through. He's
like basically just a giant Silverback Gorilla, which is the only time that they've
really embraced the movement, and like, yeah, you know, really tried
to make it a gorilla. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it
in theaters, and I have something to say about that. When we get
to the end of the movie. I loved it. I really There were
people complaining. Yeah, they're like, this movie's too fucking long, just
like War of the Worlds. I'm bored. I'm like, dude, I
feel like War of the World's was long. They hated it too, though.
Yeah, back then and even today maybe, although today we don't have
as good as movies as shit like this anymore, people would complain about shit
for like, yeah, it was the dumbest of reasons. Yeah, like
War of the World was one, King Kong was probably one of the bigger
ones. One of the World does have a big issue at the end.
But yeah, but that one issue at the end does not mean the whole
movie is bad. There's little things, but for the most part, I
like that. I don't think it's a I'm not saying these are flawless.
I'm just saying, like, you know, the majority of which people I
don't remember people jumping for joy over King Kong, and I liked it a
lot, but I remember people being like the over long kind of like you
know how people complain about Titanics three hours of watching a boat sink. Yeah,
like, well it's not three hours of watching a boat saying, but
you know what I mean? Right, Like they would quite similar if you
want to know more about Titanic. We have a review for Titanic on this
channel. I like how it shows you the animals first and then zoo.
Yeah, are we in the jungle? And then you find out it's just
the zoo. But yeah, we see it's the Great Depression. We see
what's going on. There's like prohibition and whatnot. It hard to work,
Yeah, people are like starving, whatnot. It's setting up New York.
New York looks beautiful, yeah, very A lot of it is big sets
with miniatures and originals. They had to like make New York nineteen thirties New
York in the computer. It took long younger for them to make their digital
model the Empire State Building than it did to make the Empire State Building.
Oh really that was like a thing. I read. It took them like
eighteen months and the Empire State Bold. It took like thirteen months insane,
wow, because they had to digitally make the building and then make it look
like the thirties okay, oh okay, yeah that would probably be a painting.
Yeah. So, like it's a really great setting up this whole timey
song. We're seeing like the weird entertainment they used to watch back then,
a lot of like plays, yeah, play circus, dancing, mile stuff.
Yeah, before you had YouTube, you had to go somewhere and watch
people do weird shit. Yeah, I just watch it. But yeah,
we get introduced to Anne, who's an actress. She's very into the writer
Jack Driscool. Yeah, her playhouse is under hard times. We thought this
part was kind of mean, where she's like, hey, old guy,
you're the only family I have, and she's like, have you eaten today?
To show like people are like starving, And obviously it's like no,
because you know, I want to make sure that I don't like waste all
my money. Yeah, and then she's like, come on, take me
to dinner, and it's like, you bitch, he just said, like
you know why he's not eating. We're talking about like ninety years ago.
Yeah, I mean, like I I definitely. Maybe they went to the
soup kitchen. It's no use the show, it's over, it's done.
Yeah, everybody's fired. And then the guy's going back to Chicago. He's
like, I'm going back to Chicago, goodbye. Yeah uh, and it's
all sad. It's like, Okay, we're moving along. We've now been
introduced to her main character, and we get the driving motivation of like the
struggle that she's going with and what she needs to do. Yes, and
then she meets another guy and then she's like, hey, I want to
audition for the Driscoll part, the Driscoll play. And he's like, we
already gave it to someone else, lady. Yeah, he's the only one
who's talking old timy. Yeah. Everybody else there's only like only Jack Black
kind of talks old time. This guy's all old time. Yeah. Yeah.
By the way, the one thing I like about this guy is so
every on the movie is just like me, what no me? It's a
gorgeous one. Yeah, but they're like, oh, Ann you're so beautiful.
You're beautiful, and you're beautiful. Even Kong is signing beauty full.
And this is the only guy in the movie that goes they're not bad looking.
Oh yeah, I'm like, what a fucking chad. That guy's nagging
her heart. That is funny. And then he gives her the instructions to
go. He's like, hey, go here, show your tits and get
out of town. I do like that. They they set up her character
really well. She's not just like a random woman. She is actually someone
that's fallen on hard times. They sell the reason she goes to the island.
Yeah, and I like the reference to the original movie that we'll get
to later on that uh shows how they changed some stuff up. But yeah,
yeah, well I forgot the old guy is giving us a lot of
exposition about Anne. Yeah, very quick. Yeah, because I guess they
were like, oh wait, we made her a loner and he's like everyone
always gives up on you, and you're always so sad. Honest with you
is pretty decent expositions, I guess. So it feels a little weird.
Yeah, but for a character that's just there to like, we meet Carl
Denham, yes, who is showing the studio stock footage of animals. Yeah,
well, well there he's supposed to be showing that. He's supposed to
be showing the movie for Yeah, they're like, where's our movie. It's
like, well, you know our actress. We pushed it back to the
other teeth picks and we're gonna go to an island. And it's like,
I'm sorry island. It's like, yes, we're gonna go to an island.
It's been re written. I found us, fucking Matt, I have
I have had the opposite of this. Oh really Okay, Well, we
did the AVGN Trustpasser when I was a trespasser sorry trust passer trespasser. When
I was working on that and I was coming up with ideas for it,
I remember like with Ryan and Justin up there and I'm like, yeah,
we're gonna make it look like the nergoso An Island. We'll just film it
in the park, and some of it we did film in the park.
And then like this is the so in this movie, like, you're not
going to an island, You're ridiculous, okay. And when I'm when I'm
pitching that to them, Ryan's like, I know an island in the Delaware
we can go to. And I'm like, we're going to an island now,
so so okay. On the reverse, Carl Den I'm like, I'm
like, I was gonna do the super cheap for now on an island.
Okay, okay, all right. Carl like gets kicked out and they're like,
what the fuck am I gonna do? And I'm like, we'll just
sell his foot. And I've always remembered his like getting rid of the h
whatever whiskey and listening yes. And his assistant is Colin Hanks, Tom Hanks's
son, My second favorite. Tom hanks son, My first favorite is Chet
Hanks, the creator of White Boy Summer. Yeah, white rude Boy,
it's a boy Now. A lot of people were upset about White Boy Summer,
but they always forget that. In the same video or a follow up
video, he also announced that was also Black Queen Summer. Oh, and
people always forget that part because Chet Hanks loves everyone. I would have loved
Chet Hanks in this movie. I think he would have done very well.
Fun for sure. He's like, yeah, you lied to the actress,
right, and he's like, no, but we're not going to Singapore.
It's a lie to her. And Carl turnams just a total asshole do anything
to get his movie done. I like that I didn't realize before he like
leaves with all. He stole their footage. They paid the money to have
it, and I didn't realize that either he's got like all the reels and
he's just like gone. But yeah, as they leave and get away from
the thing, which I feel like a lot of this could have maybe even
trimmed down where it could have just been like the original where it's like I'm
going to an island, I'm a rich guy or something. Maybe one thing
that we did talk about here this cut of the movie, the longer cut
of the movie. Yeah, and I mentioned to you before we really gotten
into I said, this movie doesn't really have an antagonist. Carl Denham.
In the extent of he is kind of the antagon Villa. In the extended
cut, he is more of an antagony, more of a pretty terrible guy.
Yes, and I think one thing that I could definitely see if this
film had come out in the completed cut, the fact that he doesn't get
any come up. And yeah, I think that might have been why they
trimmed a lot of that out, because you know, you talk about greed
and shit. We'll go on to later. This guy the theatrical cut,
and like even the scene is that he's just overly ambitious, well a thief.
Yes, Senecut really and we'll get into the Senecut really shows that he
is a bad guy. It's just insane. But yeah, I do like
the little reference for the fans it, yeah, fantasize for yes she is,
but she is doing a picture with our Chao. Cooper might have known.
That's great and that's fun for fans. But I can see people in
the audience going who yeah. But I also think it helps this movie like
have an excuse to like flesh out how they got to the island. It's
is really just they need this to build these characters up. Yes, the
only character is not really being built up yet is Jack, who we don't
need to. He goes to the strip club to get a girl who will
fit into whatever's outfits, and then he sees Ann and he follows her and
she's like trying to seal food and he like gets her out of trouble.
Then he takes her to dinner where she's like stuff in her face because she's
super starving. Because it's the Great depression, he basically is just like,
you're you're so sad looking and whatnot. You got in this movie. She's
like, I'm a Comedian's like, no, you're not, you're pathetic.
Yeah, but yeah, he convinces her to be in the movie because he
says, Jack Driscoll is writing it. Yeah, she's a big fan of.
Yes, she's a big fan of. She's like, I'm sorry,
did you say Jack Drisko. We meet Engelman played by Thomas Kretchman, fresh
off of Resident Evil Apocalypse? You mean Captain Englehorn. Captain Englehorn, who
was very different from the Captain engle Horn in the original. Yeah, because
that's the thing. Jack Driscoll is like the first mate in the original,
and they change him to a playwriter. And then angle Horn is kind of
a mixture of the original Jack and the original also got to throw in there
the Bruce Baxter like here, yes, yes, he's coming up. And
angle Horn is upset that they're not paid and he's like, you'll accept a
check right when I get my first thousand dollars And he's like, do I
have a choice? You know. Thomas Kretschman, he's been in a lot
of things lately. He was wasted as what's his face in the Avenger movies.
He shows up as like a high ranking Hydrick an age of Ultron,
and then he gets killed off camera and it's like, huh, that guy's
like a big character in the comics and he was relegated to one scene.
That good for him. We meet Jack Driscoll, who's Adrian Brody is when
Adrian Brody was big, he like got an Oscar a few years coming up
for the piano, which we actually might have. Uh no, not the
piano, the pianist. The piano is different the piano. The piano is
Ada Paquin who won an Oscar. Okay, yeah, two movies. So
that's the trick. Just make a movie about a piano and it works.
It'll work. But yeah, he's only written a few pages for the script
and he's like, what the fuck we're writing in a movie here. He's
like sorry him, pay me, fuck you. And I like this whole
thing where like Jack Black is just like stalling, oh yeah, where he's
trying to write the check. He's like, let me write you a check.
He's like, he's like, you wrote two grand, like the word
too great. He's like, ah, he's ripping it up because he sees
the boat is taking off asle he's like waiting to jump and to get back,
and he's just like, see, the theater's not for you. You
belong to movies. Is like, I love the theater and I love when
I love that because like again, I kind of relate to Carl. He's
like, nah, if you loved it, you would have jumped, dude.
They make so many jokes about this guy early on, and I never
viewed him as eel until I watched this kind of the movie. I kind
of agree that though, like I love I've done a lot of shit from
movies, like, yeah, have you loved it? You would? I
get it. It's funny, but like when we get to the island,
this guy, but you're right, we do see Bruce Baxter by Kyle Chandler
in his first King con continuity. Yeah, yeah, they're showing jack his
quarters. We get a cameo from the Sumatran rat Monkey, which is a
reference to Evil Dead, which takes place on Skull Island. They also have
Evil Dead you mean, oh no dead alive, dead alive, brain dead
dead dead alive. So you also get the chloroform reveal here, yes,
and they tell Jackie got to hang out in one of these cages, like,
because that's the thing these people they kind of like they catch animals.
Yeah, man, they're worried about King Kong. They don't know how bad
that rat monkey is not called zombies. We never see that mentionumtra again.
Later on in the movie. They while they're on the boat, I believe
they do. They're like, looks like it's out past Sumatra or something.
Oh wow, I didn't catch that this time. Uh So here's a thing
where things are a little too excessive and he's trying to do too much.
The introduction to the Jimmy subplot. Yeah, with Jamie Bell, I'm finally
I'm fine with both Jimmy and Captain Hayes. But I think the way they
resolve where this is not actually a resolution like fizzles out, it mounts to
nothing actually a little bit morbid. Yeah. And then again like this is
a character who just disappears in the third act. Yeah, he's the Nick
van Owen, Yeah of King k Yeah, he just kind of go away.
So they're spending like so much time with Jimmy, and like we get
introduced like the first mate Hayes like found him in the shipping and we get
like a mystery of where did he come from stowaway and he's also trying to
be like a father figure to teach him to like, remember he stole the
fucking book from the library. Yeah, that comes up, but it's just
like I don't care, and it just drags the movie. Yeah, I
was sweet and fine, but it if it had gone somewhere, it would
be a little more. I think it was just Peter Jackson wanted Jamie Bell
to be in it because he was big on Billy Elliott. He was a
nice young rising sure, and he's just like, I'm gonna write a character
Jimmy for you, and he's gonna slow the fucking movie. He liked the
Jimmy guy. I think Captain Hayes was pretty cool, but like, yeah,
but he's stuck with the Jimmy subplot. So I just really don't like.
I'm just like, you could have cut this out easily. Sure,
you could have just never written in the first place. I kind of prefer
lumpy and joy umpy and joy great. I actually really like. I even
said this when we were watching the movie. I think this is Andy serkiss
best like actual performance that's not motion capture. And I said, you've got
Alfred. Yes, better than Alfred in the Batman. Better than Claw.
Yeah I didn't even remember that. Oh oh yeah yeah yeah it's better,
way better than that. Okay, yeah, you know what. I'm team
Lumpy, who's on the cover. Lumpy's a badass the way he goes out,
if you have to think Andy Andy Serkis plays two characters. He plays
Kong, yeah, which a lot of people don't know about that. Yeah,
and he plays uh, what do you call it, lum Bumpy.
Yeah. This is his first ape, and he would go on to play
other apes. Yeah. Yeah. So we see the sound guy and he's
talking about how sound equipped, you've captured the voice of the common fee.
Yeah. It's actually a really funny scene. So she's meeting the crew and
she assumes the sound guys Jack drist and she's like, you're amazing. I
love your work, and the guy's like really when yeah, I love She
goes, you've captured the voice of the common people, and he thinks it's
a sound recording and then she starts talking about like the writing, not realizing
the real Jacks behind her, right, yeah, but I'm like this is
funny, and then she goes, you look nothing like your picture. You
know, it's like, how'd you how'd you get them? Because they look
nothing alike theses. Maybe she's like I don't know, dude. And by
the way, she says that guy's like way better looking, which is a
little insane, and I'm like, oh, well then, but then she's
into Jack afterwards. I do feel like the extended cut of the movie severely
dampens the relationship between Anne and Jack because so much shit happens in between them
actually interacting with each other. Yes, yeah, it makes them a little
harder to buy into, and we're getting to the extended scenes that a lot
of that is on the island. But yeah, like I think that might
be another thing. People weren't really sold on the romance between them. Well,
the Jack's just like, this is the only person that gives a shit
about my work. Yeah, so I've got to say Anne, Yeah,
I never really got into the relationship, Like I I know she needs to
fall in love with the human. I guess I bought it more in the
theatrical cut. And then we've talked about how it can cut scenes out to
me and I get like the original you just need the damsel to full love
of the Store. And I believe the romance in the seventies because I need
to rewatch that, because I mean Jeff Bridges and uh, you mentioned that's
Lang, Jessica Lang. They were both ridiculously good looking, so of course
they would be into each other. In that movie is bearded Jeff Bridges looking
up while the helicopters are shooting. Maybe that's because that's also the beginning of
King Kong Lives. Yes, remember him shirtless? He was in good shape
back then. And Jessica Lang, Jesus Christ, watch our episode on that.
I remember stay hungry more than I do. This scene could have been
cut. We have a Jimmy drawling on Baxter's posters. Yeah, why is
that? And well, I guess it's there to show that Bruce Baxter's a
narcissist and Jimmy's a little shit. Yeah, but we kind of get that
because he's an actor. We don't need it. He's already like, hey,
mister, help me get my bag. I would have accepted it because
there is a shot where he draws a mustache on him and Baxter's mad,
but then he likes the mustache. Really should have done at the end when
they Yes, it would have been funny if when we need him at the
end, he's got the big mustard. Months later he got a muscat.
But then they don't do it. So I'm like, you could just cut
this out. It would have been perfect, because I think he's even wearing
that Safari style outfit in that poster where they yeah and he's that's like what
he's got on stage. I thought the poster it just says Dame tamer Dam,
like I want to watch Dame Tamers. What was the other one,
tribal something, I forget raiders or something. Yeah, we're filming on an
island. Now, when did this happen? Jack Black is telling him about
the island. Yeah, they all kind of gang up on. I'm like,
where the fuck are we going, buddy. Well before that, he's
just like, let me tell you the name, and then oh the skull
island with the typing. Yeah, you don't like the slow mo Peter Jackson's
choppy slow mo. I hate the choppy sloan. You said he'd uses it
so much here. You said he'd use it in Lord of the Rings and
I didn't remember, but he does use it in the minds of Maria.
Yeah, other places for when the goblin orcs like start coming out, but
here he was like, this whole scene is choppy, slow mo. And
again, this scene could have been sped up a little bit. I use
it a lot. When the natives come to it's interesting that they maybe maybe
he just wanted this movie. It really feels like they're patty and I'm like,
yeah, just didn't need to be. Yes, it's interesting. The
crew gets really mad at Carl for wanting to go to Skull Island, and
Lumpy tells them the whole story. He's like, yeah, we met a
guy he was adrift. It's pretty cool. Yeah. And he's like,
you talked about this island that had a giant wall and it was really scary.
Yeah. Again, this scene could have been reworked a little different.
I don't know if we needed those like they need to know that they're maybe
they don't need to know they're going to Skull Yeah, you don't really need
them to know they're going there. It could have just been a coincidence.
I don't think we have to set up a legend of Skull Island chacking in
they make out they do, which I forgot about being in this movie.
Yes, and while they're making out, we get more bad slow motion of
them getting a telegram that Quarrel was wanted by the authority. Good luck getting
them now, just the bad slow ocean like stop it. Yeah, I'd
forgotten that he'd used it that much. I like when he drops the map
into the water. It's a pretty cool shot. Yeah. I like the
mystery around all that stuff. Yeah, we never find out where he gets
the map. Same in the original this, I think Suna Kang we find
the guy who gave Carl the map. Yeah. I don't think Son of
Kong would be that out of the realm of possibility of doing a sequel to
this movie, because you could add a lot of shit in that. But
this is another scene. So like this is when Peter Jackson in his career,
it's like every action scene has to be this like amazing complicated. They
go a really long time doing this whole we're approaching Skull Islands. Yeah,
they're going into the fog. They're doing like the twenty knots or what.
I think they could have just crashed into the thing. Yeah. Yeah.
So then there is some like the ship gets blown around, but it goes
on for a while, and you're right, the green screen here looks a
little weird. It's because some of the lighting looks like they're really well lit,
but it's at night in a storm with like yeah, and I guess
he like colored differently so they stand out from the background instead of being all
blue. Yeah, and then it just looks unnatural. It doesn't. It
looks I didn't realize how I forgot that this movie came out in two thousand
and five. I thought it was much's it's a while ago, so like,
I get why it doesn't. That doesn't hold up as quite as well
as it. Yeah, but I'm thinking of like other movies that we did,
like like no, I'm thinking of like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein opens up with
like a ship crashing, and that one's done pretty quick. Oh yeah,
yeah, well, I mean they do this really long. Yeah, it
goes on and Hayes is doing the fucking thing. Yeah, Jimmy's up top
going throwing around and it smashes up. Yeah, it was a little excessive.
Yeah, it's excessive. Is the worst. I haven't even gotten on
to the eye still our first like big action scene. I guess probably like
forty minutes into the movie. Yeah, it's like we're not We're not even
there yet, and like, all right, all right, all right,
I ain't come to see the boat crash. I do. One thing I
will really like about this is we get to see the name Skull Island put
to good use because there's all of those carved like skulls. Yes. I
do like the design of like the rocks all. I had forgotten about that
until we were watching it. I was like, oh, that is pretty
cool. Jimmy's reading Heart of Darkness and then he has this long ass scene
of him quoting Heart of Darkness. Yeah, it's like, just get him
on the island. Goddamn it. This movie is so overly, very over
the top than what you would expect, like just like remake. Yeah,
well that's the thing. He probably got a little big head from the Lord
of the We're taking it very seriously. It's the Lost World Jurassic Park effect,
where like the first Jurassic Park is just it's cool, it's but it's
mainly fun. Yeah, Like Lost World is like serious big game hunter,
like you know what I mean, And this movie feels like more of that.
Yeah, and now they're throwing in like heart of Darkness. I want
to have a heart of darkness speech over this whole thing that's said. It's
like, oh my god, yeah, what about the story a little bit
again? This a lot of this is tied into the Fuckingmy Hay's story and
it's like, no one cares about Jimmy. Get to that. I will
say, the all versions this is in the trailer and the video game,
but all versions cut out her on the rocks where he goes scream Oh yeah,
yeah, very life. Yeah, which makes sense because then it happens
again, so doing it. This is the one time where Peter Jackson held
some restraint and left something out of the movie. Out of both versions of
the movie, he left them out. So yeah, they get to the
village and there's beautiful miniatures on a blue yeah yeah, yeah, this is
when he still in them. Did miniatures just like yeah, yeah, maybe
one of the last films to use that extensive amount. No, Nolan uses
a lot of miniatures in his film. Really. Yeah, there's a lot
of stuff, but it's just like Chicago. Yeah no. But I'm saying
like there's even in those scenes there's a ton of mint. That's the thing
he doesn't. He does it so well. You don't realize their miniatures,
like even an inception that big like building and stuff they shoot at the end.
It's a big miniature, but people don't realize it. Wow. And
then sometimes no one will just crash a giant plane through a building because it's
cheaper. But that was my favorite thing with Tenant. They I didn't see
that movie, but it's not that good, but Tenant they were gonna build
like miniatures and stuff with the plane crashing, and then he realized it was
just cheaper to buy an old plane and crash it through it to like a
demolished building. I wonder what he's gonna do like next, Oh, he's
doing an Oppenheimer biopic about the guy that made it. Okay, yeah,
that'll be interesting. So the idea I heard years back, it's like they
built this wall because the humans there, whatever the civilization was who originally built
this and all the ruins on the island, and yeah, like I guess,
like the wildlife just got too out of control they had and they weren't
able to survive on the island. That makes perfectly fine sense, so I
guess they built this giant wall. But the thing is like they built the
wall, but now they're like so secluded from like the food. Yea,
they're on the rocks. You see that. They just have like fish that
they're eating because that's the only thing that they can like eat. But I
can think the idea is that they have like regressed because it's just generations of
people starving, right, which is an interesting idea. Yeah. I do
think the entire sequence with the natives is great, like when you first meet
them, because it's pretty scary, and they all have like an odd color
because they knew they couldn't do they couldn't do black people. They were afraid
to make it any actual race. So all the I didn't know any of
this, by the way, ye all the Natives they have this kind of
like this blackish brown is gray kind of I never cat caught onto that,
but I did notice when the kid is like, well, I completely forgot
about the candy bar thing. Oh yeah, he tries to give the kid
a candy bar. I completely forgot because I think there are scenes in the
original King Kong where they do use black face. There are a lot of
black people in the original, but there might have been some well, they
definitely use it in uh oh kay, Congres's got some they and I mean
that movie's comedy, but like at the same time, I yes, they
were trying to go for if. These people live on an island and they've
been cut off from what they were normally living and they've like something's with them
that's like a little and they're eating fish and stuff, and like, well,
they just wanted to be a completely different race that we never seen before,
so they kind of like settle in this color. Their weaponry and stuff
has Aztec stuff to it too, like where they're crushing skulls. Yes,
I thought the natives were fucking scared Eody the old witch doctor. Yeah,
the witch like her mustache and stuff. That girl is hard. Even in
theaters, I was like, yeah, and this isn't see where she screams
and we hear Kang for the first time. The ship's crew rescues them from
the natives, and where the hell does the captain shoot the guy? We
don't know and the guy is falling in slow motion. Everyone is moving in
normal very PG thirteen kill. Even back in the theater, I'm like,
where did he shoot him? Because like there's no like it had to be
in the face, right, And of course he's falling in band slow or
no, he gets shot in band slow motion. It's the yeah, like
where he goes back. I love how like every version of can Kong.
It's just like the Natives see the blonde girl and they're like, oh my
god, we don't have to sacrifice one of her, just grab her,
just grab hey. We kind of like our women. We have to sacrifice
it, but can we just grab a random one? It's pretty cool?
How like when they come to rescue everybody too, It's like, okay,
go, I do like how the the Natives like sneak onto the ship.
Oh, it's pretty cool, but it's it's different than the seventies where they
just boat up and like grab her and then boat all. Remember that version.
They literally are just like it's a lady in the crowd. Shit.
I do like the idea of like the pull. It actually reminds me of
tremors. Yes, where they're like getting across. Yes, but that seems
cool, like in the waters, like all tense and whatnot. But yeah,
it's just it's taking us a while to get here. One thing that
we should mention right around here is the awesome music in this movie, Like
James and Howard how I'm sure was going to do the music. Oh was
that? Who was? Yes? But I had I think I just had
a conflicting ideas on it. So it was like James Newton now or it
does a great job though the Dune, Yeah, he had to do it
like real quick and he didn't have a lot of time to work on it.
There's a lot of points in this movie where the music isn't really fitting,
but it's more impactful because like we'll talk about the ones. Yeah,
and this is the same year he did Batman begins with Hans Zimmer Yes,
and I remember the trailer for this hat the Batman begins music in it.
I wonder how this all started, Like why does Kong protect them if they
feed my woman? Think that? I mean there is a cool part though,
I mean he shows up every time they do it, and I actually
do like the fact that when he shows up here, it's pretty similar to
the way he showed up in the nineteen thirty three as far as like the
shot composition goes. It's more animalistic because you see like a silver back just
like yeah, drop in Yeah, but uh, oh, and I like
instead of just like they tire up and shut the door, they have like
a they don't even want to go in. They just like the drawbridge exists.
I guess sometimes they have to go with it because the bridge has a
door. But you could tell they don't want to go. Yeah, they're
like, shit, we gotta go in and hunt. Who's gonna go on
the scary? What are they gonna kill? They can't kill any of that
ship. They've got to be collecting like bamboo. Yeah. Yeah, when
you see what's in there, you're like, oh man, that'd be the
worst place. Maybe they could take down the bird. Yeah, probably talk
about excessive, Like this whole movie is built on like these interactions between Ann
and Kong, and they spent like an hour before we see con It's like,
but when your movie is gonna be built around this, you want them
to show up a little early. I wonder if this film had been made
today, would they even release it with the way that they like are such
strangleholds on like blockbusters. They're like, this isn't a blockbuster. What did
you deliver? Did you deliver if it was Peter Jackson The Slide? If
it's the director who's won the studio's trust. But even in the Hobbit films,
he goes so overboard with action sequences and things. Yes, so you
gotta wonder, like, well, these days he can kind of produce his
own stuff, like the beginning of the Hobbit, even the first and I
think the first two Hobbits are completely serviceable. Yeah, the opening, you've
got the smog attack like and like that was not the beginning of the Hobbit.
Yeah, so uh, and then they include the entire wards chasing in
the So yeah, you gotta think about this. You don't see Kong until
like an hour into the movie, probably like this movie, and I bet
you that's why Skull Island. They're like, you're showing him in the first
fucking scene and then twenty minutes later he shows up again. You're playing fortunate
son, like you're doing the napalm and Kong looks great still to this day.
It's a very good. Now, we were watching on DVD, but
I do have the HD DVD that a fan sent in, so I will
watch the HD DVD. That was the only movie I remember they heavily promoted
was King Kong on HDDVD. I don't know if it even works. Its
fan fans are telling me that like Warner Brothers, they rushed out a lot
of them because they made it. The HG DVD's, they rushed out a
lot of them, and whatever like factory or whatever they used to press a
lot of these, Like the DVDs don't hold up. Oh so there's like
they even more advanced disc rod. Yeah, they like there's disc rod and
whatnot. So I have someone sent me their entire HD DVD collection. I'm
gonna go through them. How many were theyre a lot? So I have
an HDDVD player and then someone else sent me the HD DVD player attachment for
the Xbox three sixty. That's right. I'm going to test out both and
see if they work. Now, this is our first extended scene. So
you want this movie to be about Ann and Kong. We want to humanize
Kong and show the relations. Sure, good idea cutting this particular scene out
because we've we've just gotten excited. It's a Kong. We got a little
bit of a glimpse of him. We know there's a chase on. We
want to go back to con and I agree with you. They should have
cut the scene out. But yes, this this further is an even weirder
problem with this movie is every scene they cut out is actually a good scene,
Like, uh, the saratops scene that they desire, I have it
here. It's a kind of sarratops. Okay, I'm sure it has a
name, but oh they all have names, like the Vana Distastosaurus. But
like, the idea is that these animals have continued to evolve on the island
because they're not quite dinosaurs. Really cool, and he made a choice.
They were like, are you gonna try and make it more accurate? It's
like, now we're just their movie. No, because this is a remake
of King Kong Ya. No, I want to make the gorilla as lifelike
as possible with all the other ones movie. Remember the original they killed the
stegosaurus that's coming, and that's what the scene. That's what this scene is.
But I mean it works for the original because the originals a little faster
realized. Yea similar to the book Jurassic Park where the six stegosaurus was swapped
out with a triceras. Oh yes, I wonder if he intentionally did.
That would be pretty funny if it was. But yeah, they fight the
kind of sratops and they kill it. Uh, and then we cut back
to Anne again. Yeah, you're right, it breaks up the action too
much, but yes, and so what we're meant to believe here is the
women on the island they know they're being sacrificed, so they don't put up
a fight. Kong like beats them up and writes, yeah, yeah,
this is like whatever agreement they've made, like feed me a woman. So
she's the pit of all the dead bride of Kongs. But by the way,
wasn't that in the Jessica Lang movie. Isn't that how she got away
from Kong's hand? Because it's been years since I've seen that, because there's
a scene in that one where she sees the corpses, right, Jessica Lang
when she's in Kong's hand, I don't think, So there's not what am
I conflator? Well, now I have another excuse to rewatch Kong seventy six.
But no, So she's the one who fights back, and it confuses
Kanan. He's like, how are you what? Yeah, where is older
versions? You kind of imply where he's like, oh, he likes the
pretty white lady in her blonde hair and then you bring it. Yeah,
we talked about that. I had heard someone say that, and I'd never
thought that way about The King Kong. I don't even think the original movie
is meant to have that. I think people attribute it a racial thing to
it. Uh huh, there's definitely racist. Who probably watched the original King
Kago and I know what they're saying. And then Marylyn C. Cooper's just
like I wanted to make a monster movie. Yeah, someone had brought that
up and I was like, I've never thought of that story like that at
all. So that always it's weird because you don't want it to like,
I don't think that's what it is. I don't think it is. Either
people have interpret it that way, either because they want it to be or
they think whatever. But in this version, how they get around it is
like, yes, she doesn't know what she's supposed to do, like she's
not a native, she's not a native. She wants to live and so
she's that and he's thrown off by it. It's like, uh, oh,
this isn't just like an object that I can have, Like this is
what is it doing? So he's confused and he's like he like keeps her
around. He doesn't quite understand what's going on. He doesn't have a relationship
with humans. He all he does is wait for one to go on that
little drawbridge in the rabbit and he like eats it or throws it or something,
and that's like that's all you know is he's supposed to do. But
yeah, so he's just like, do these things have feelings? What's going
on here? And I actually like that they cut the kind of serratop scene
because this feels like the first time they're seeing the yes, and even how
that's how it seems like it's being filmed, and then they're just like,
I mean, it would still be amazing if you saw a different dinosaur,
but it's like, this isn't the first time you've seen. Well, don't
forget the great line of there's only one thing in the world that could have
made that footprint the above snowman, which I gotta laugh out in the theater
again. I do think Peter Jackson Lost World, Jurassic Park has that t
rex imprint. Yeah, I'm not saying he's intentionally like, but it was
less than ten years after and we're on a jungle island, with dinosaurs and
they're all gathered around the footprint, and I'm like, yeah, make it's
a joke out of it. I'm like, was it a reference to Godzilla
ninety eight with the big footprint? No, I don't think so. So
that's one problem. They were very confident in their effects and they were like,
we're gonna put it in the harshest sunlight. Yeah, not only which
which Jurassic Park did, but it's a brief. In Jurassic Park, we
don't see this and they're running really quick. They're running really quick, and
they don't linger on them in the summer, and the Tyrannosaurus that actually kills
the galim Mimus is actually like doing a very cool attack, and like,
yeah, but this one, like they were just a little overconfident and they
don't look that great. I think the design is fine. It's the way
that they all kind of like mulge into each other. And the fact that
unlike Jurassic Park, the only thing that is digital is the dinosaurs. In
those, that's like a backplate, like this is a live on Hawaii location
running, whereas in King Kong it's all digital. The only thing is is
the humans. That's I love the idea for the stampede scene. I liked
him when I was a kid, but yeah, looking at it now,
I'm just like them running on green screen looks so bad. It also makes
you wonder if like these why are they afraid of the little raptor creatures,
if like they're that big, and if this happens often, how are they
not extinct? Because they all fucking go off the edge of a cliff,
not all of them, but like the ones that fell off the cliff.
That's the thing. I feel really bad for these pronosaurs. I always felt
bad, especially when the machine gun fire hits their legs and they all tumble
on top of Yeah, which looks incredibly fake with the people like flying in
it, But I mean, like this, the idea for the scene is
fub with these big raptors chasing them. Man, they look more like baby
Godzilla. Yeah, I like the one that gets like stepped up. I
remember that, like you No, You're right, the green screen, Like
they're lit so lightly and they're not blending in with the environment. It's like
when I'm talking about the people, the people, and they're clearly just running
on treadmills, and it's very odd. There's that scene where like they're all
piled up behind Oh god, yeah, either Jack Black or somebody comes sliding
in from like yeah, okay, he would have been crushed and then like
he he stands out like a sore thumb against all the dinosaurs. Yeah,
it is cool how baby Godzilla comes up and he's like kills it. But
like it's it doesn't look as polished as a lot of King Kong himself looks
incredible and that I like, I love the idea for this scene, but
it's just it's one of those things. If I was looking at this editing,
I'm like I would have been like, you probably would have cut most
of it. Yeah. I think it's cool, and it's one of the
most memorable scenes in the movie because and you kind of do need the scene
in the movie because it's followed up with uh, I don't remember his name,
but the guy's like take the tripod and like, oh, the cameraman,
He's like, take my try button. He gets eaten by the raptors.
Yeah. Oh, by the way, Like, I guess they had
to have raptors because of Jurassic Park, and we've learned uh recently that dinosaurs
in bright daylight still look bad sold review. I mean, I guess follow
you think looked better Jurassic World or King Kong with these bright daylight scenes,
because it's really close in my opinion, like I guess you can. I
guess you could pick and shoes like which it's a shop by shop basis.
Yeah, I think so too. Overall, they're kind of even. I
think the the famous that is probably one of the best daylight in these.
In Jurassic World, well, I think that the the t Rex fight looks
pretty good later on that's at night though, No, no, no,
in this I mean, oh, that's true, that looks pretty good.
That's completely different though, because I bet most of that is all CG that
is, and because Anne is like so, But as far as it goes
with the CGI dinosaurs in the day, the movies are kind of equal case,
like you gotta let me know what scene. Yeah, well, I
will say this, I think the bronosaur stampede scene is pretty close to the
quality of like the gyrosphere going, yeah, like that's what it looks like.
They darken the colors of the dinosaurs and the gyrosphere one to kind of
help, but it didn't work, not really. Anne tries the play dead.
I like the relationship between her and Case, but then it cuts back
to Baxter, who's like, everything sucks. And in this scene I have
to see theatrical cut because this scene is in the theatrical cut. I don't
remember it being here. Maybe it is, but I think them starting to
build the raft is not included. No, because they're all just hanging out
by the water. And he's just like, uh, well, we gotta
go back for taking it off in nine hours yep. Yeah, And they're
like what about Anne. He's like, look, she was nice, but
we gotta go on CA And I'm just like, yeah, you said that.
You're like, ye, I agree with him. I'm literally being like,
yeah, I don't really know the shick. When they created the raft.
In the original, they've got the whole scene where the bronosaurs eats the
guy out of the the tree, which she can't do, Like, even
though you want to be an authentic King Conger like, yeah, people aren't
gonna they're gonna laugh at that, like a modern movie. So they created
this entirely new actually creatures with these scorpion things, which are one of the
main enemies of the game. Yeah, the video game those scorp Yeah,
and then they created the I believe it's called the which is cool. Yeah,
it's a big eel with the piranha. This is a great sequence,
Yes, and I wish it was in the movie, but well, yeah,
it's it's weird. Let me see here. Yeah. So before that,
we get Kong with Anne and she does the thing where she's like entertaining
him. She's doing the comedian Yeah, and he's amused because she tried to
sneak away and he found her, but then he gets embarrassed. But then
he gets embarrassed because he tries to act all tough but then a rock rock
great, and he doesn't they ever see like a dog or cat do that
embarrassed? Not my current cash. She doesn't get embarrassed by ship. She's
awful. But I've had other cats that like try to do like a cool
jump and then fell and then people looked at them and they don't know how
to feel, so they just run away and then they come back later and
they're like, did you guys forget I did that? Yeah, we all
that didn't happen. That was another cat. I like the way that they
played that off with the boulder falling because it made Kung like a pretty relatable
animal. Yeah, but then then it cuts back to them and it's like
this long ass scene with them being attacked by the piranadas. And again the
scene is fun, but even this scene is dragged out with the guy underwater
swimming bears terristicl doing the whole Yeah, awkward, awkward green screen in this
too. It's such a cool scene, but I do it had to be
cut, Like, yeah, the the director's gut. It really is like
we're establishing, we're trying to build cong as a sympathetic character. We got
to cut the monsters fighting these guys because oh we're back to establishing Congress.
We got to cut back to monsters fighting. It's like it's a juggling act
because you've got like, are we gonna tell the super serious King Kong drama
like romance thing or are we gonna make the monster were talking about it,
like I prefer the scenes with like Kong interacting with an a little bit more
I do to and the action scenes that involve him more so than the guys.
It's what you come for to. Yeah, I mean, but that
being said there. The other action scenes are cool and good. They're well
done. The creature design and this is phenomenal. Now, if they had
sped up the first goddamn act, we could have had those scenes that it
probably wouldn't have felt as it was dragging off on the island. Yeah,
this is like, if you just sped up the first act, you could
have had all this still. Yeah, and I don't think it would have
been as jarring. No, But for this, it's like, it took
us a long time to get here to see Kong, and you keep cutting
away from Kong and not even like a stylistic thing like Godzilla. How keeps
cutting away from Godzilla? Right, it's kind of like a stylistic choice.
This is more distracting from the main line story. Yes, I mean that
version is frustrated for different reasons, but yes, this one, it's just
like, yeah, I'm just what do you want me? Is this monsters
attacking people? Or do I care about con Right, you can have a
little bit of this, but I need more of this, And it was
they were right to cut it out for the theatrical cut, but even the
theatrical cut it has a little too much. It does it's a stampede scene.
Could have been trimmed down a little bit. Yeah, but like we
said, it's they're not bad, like they're not bad scenes, Like there's
nothing in them where you're like, oh, yeah, this was This was
cut because it conflates with something else in the movie, like like continuity wise
or something. No, it's just we don't need it. And if you're
trying to make the best movie you can, you get it. You gotta
leave that cool ass scene on the cutting room floor. Yes, but it
does have a scene at the very end where Carl's just filming. It makes
him look like a villain. He's filming this chaos and then the guy gets
eating and Lumpy's like, did you get that? Just get that? Did
you? Yeah? Yeah, And it's just like he is like he's the
bad guy, morseless and his face is like he's just he's just losing.
That's evil man. But yeah, then we get another extended scene. I
mean, it makes sense why they cut this. It's kind of interesting where
Ann is running through the woods and then the men hear something in the woods
and Lumpy goes to shoot and you're made to think they killed Anne, right,
but they really kill a giant bird. Yeah, giant baby bird.
It's a cool practical effect. It is the only practical monster I can think
of this movie. They had a practical raptor head that pulled that guy down.
Oh I didn't know, yeah, but like but yeah, this it's
a practical effect of this baby bird. And then like they shoot it in
the head to kill it, and like it's a little dark. That's a
little too dark for that can kind of go because in the scene right before
that, Lumpy's criticizing Carl and then like did Lumpy just kill and so it's
like, yeah, you know what, get rid of this. I get
why they killed that. I don't eve think you need to write that scene.
It's fake tension too, because you know he's not going to shoot in
And it's also like we need Jack Dreschool to feel like some sort of urgency,
and we need more cool creatures. So yeah, it is funny how
in the theatricals out there, like oh, maybe we didn't need all these
creatures. We just kind of need Kang. Yeah, and I mean we
need creatures. They gotta have the t Rex, yes, yeah, I
mean that might have been a toy thing. We're like, well, we
got to put out a toy of the plan. I wasn't like picking up
any of the action figures I remember. No. I wonder if some guys
got that years later, but that's it. I wonder if they did action
figures of like this, the Piranha don and stuff. I wonder if they're
like, where the fuck was this? I have a statue I was.
It's funny. I moved all my Kong stuff home and then we did this
episode and I had to bring it all back. Oh but yeah, I
have the statue of Kong on top of the b Rex. Yeah. So
at some point after Kong runs away, the guys are walking over a lot
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And we get
this in all three versions. It needs to be in the movie. Yes,
staple of the King Kong story. You only really needed this. I
don't even think you needed the stampede scene to be honest, probably yes,
well yeah. The cool thing about the whole log scene is that we establish
Captain Hayes or mister Hayes's death. I always like this scene. I still
like it to this day. However, what happens afterward. I'm not a
big fan of choy dies. Yes, the log. He makes it in
the original. I think he had a different name in the original, but
he makes it in the Don't love Lumpies, like you know, his serious
care for like his friend, but they you know, he throws the log
down. King Kong comes out of the cave and ship like that. It
needs to be in the movie. Now. I do think it's a little
weird that they kind of cut away from that and go to something else.
Makes you wonder where Anne. Oh yeah, afterwards they cut to Anne,
yeah to break up that Actually where she's being chased by giant iguanas are really
cool, uh I remember, Yeah, she sneaks into like a like a
lot, like a trunk, and the one iguana gets eaten. I love
it when the money gets eating you see the other one going like that.
Yeah, and then it's got this great transition and now we rac focus on
like the centipede company. My I remember my friend in the theater almost throwing
up when the antenna went in her mouth and then the ones coming right back,
and he was like, well, like it was the creepiest thing for
him. And meanwhile, I'm like, there's more bugs. They should have
used those were what was supposed to make uh doctor Burke freak out in Behind
the Waterfall and the Lost we instead of the snake. Yeah, it was
supposed to be a scene just like that where it's like coming and he like
just freaks out and then the t Rex grabs him instead of Oh it's a
snake. It's a harmless snake. But I mean, uh, it's cool
that they freak her out. She runs out of the log and then you
like go up and you're like shipping like v Rex. I guess it's still
eating the thing. Yeah, very cool creature design here, And I think
that this movie set the standard going forward for those Jurassic World movies you were
talking about, because the teeth are all janky. Yeah, if you look
at the teeth in the in the v rexes for King Kong, they're all
like in grown and grown out in weird, fucked up places. And the
Indominus Rex and the Indo raptor, even the Giga that they're putting in Dominion,
they've gone for that. I guess Colin Trevarro just really liked the screwed
up look of the dinosaurs in this movie, which it looks cool, but
like, uh, Yeah. The v Rex comes out and starts chasing her.
Yes, and it's got like alligator like scoots, very small eyes,
yes, very tiny eyes. And you were saying how much cooler it would
be if they use the Jurassic Park t rex. Yeah, party was wondering,
like if they had just used because that when you talk about iconic like
creature design and you think about a t rex, which is probably why they
went in a different direction with this. But yeah, and also licensing him.
Have you ever seen there was an old Japanese CD including soundtrack stuff that
came out and on the soundtrack this is from Universal okay, and it has
an image of King Kong. This King Kong fighting the spinosaurs from Jurassic Park
three. You check that? Check? That's cool. That reminds me of
a years and years and years ago when they were making Dragons Slayer. They
took a picture of the dragon from that movie I forget what it's called,
and they took a picture of it fighting the Rank Corps. Oh yeah,
the magazine Every Years. People thought that was a great dragon and it's like
no, yeah, from Dragon Slayer. This fight scene is long, but
an excessive but I like it because it has Kung and our main character in
peril and she's in danger. He's got to protect her. It's well chorey
graphs, it's well choreographed. I love the whole, Like I mean,
it is successive that he did three goddamn t rexes, but that's what people
came to see like that. Yeah, it needed to happen. Yeah,
in this scene, I don't mind. I like this whole. It deserves
to be in the movie for sure. Yes, and all over the railers
and ship. Yes. I think the trailer and later trailers maybe, but
I think the first trailer just made it seem like it was one fight with
the Yes, I loved. I love this image they've used. Yeah,
oh yeah things. Yeah, I always loved in the theater the first time
I saw him rip the tongue out of that shit. But yeah, so
he kills one with a rock and then they like tumble into a cavern full
of vines, kind of like afore time situation. I love that, like,
well, he's fighting the one. The one is the man. And
I told you, I love the clap that they make when they are movie
monster, because I think any other animal will be more concerned about falling surviving.
Yeah, like, oh god, oh god, and it makes her
such a great scene and you are remaking a monster movie. But yeah,
they make it all the way down into the mud. The one v Rex's
face gets smashed on the wall twice. Yeah, but yeah, the the
one v Rex it comes to eater Kan jumps in front of it. He
does the famous jaw rip, and of course he adds the tongue biting tribute
to the original where he's playing with the jaw. But like, you find
out that this whole thing was just him trying to be like, I am
tough. You forgot about that rock thing, right, because he does the
thing where he poses again that I'm cooler than you. She kind of looks
at him now he's like, oh, you saved me, you know.
She's like, fuck, all right, Well, I know all these other
monsters could have eaten. That's the thing. It's like, I don't want
to be here, but if I am, you're the best thing to be
around. So Peter Jackson is obsessed with the missing spider Pit sequence, as
he should be. So if you don't know see the original King Kong,
the director was the opposite where he went, my movie's too long. Yeah,
I'm gonna cut shit out of it. I could probably use this spider
pit sequence. That's why it's weird in the original that they like fall into
the pit and then like Jack is climbing, but then we see the two
armed lizard. Yeah, and it's like, what the fuck is that thing?
And there were people who argue for years if it actually existed or not.
And someone found a frame of like a spider in the pit, and
I guess that's where the lizard came from. So when it screamed, did
they actually include this scene in nineteen thirty three in theaters? I don't think
they did. Okay, so they did, and this was I know it
was lost. It's definitely lost. I don't know if they screened it.
He might have just trimmed it out. He did recreate it in stop motion.
Yes, I was gonna say, get the DVD like Peter Jackson for
the So he wanted to do this so he could do the spider pit sequens.
Imagine what the producers are thinking, what are you wasting money on?
And I think he did that on his own. I think it's prettyuch a
company did that on his own. But yeah, he decided like, Hey,
while I'm doing this, would it be fun to do the original Spider?
And he got actors who the same. It's great. It is a
great sequence, like both the stop motion that he did and in the in
the final cut in this, and they needed to include that in this in
the final theatrical cut. It was funny that they don't have the two legged
lizard. But then it makes it into Kong's Skull Island and it's the main
village. Yeah, the skull Crawler. It is so funny they picked that
to be the main build. I'm like, it is in King Kong.
For a second, I think he kicks it down. Okay, So here's
what I think went through the Because Congskull Island came in twenty seventeen, it
was after Jurassic World. Yes, so they're thinking, fuck, we can't
use dinosaurs or we're going to compete with Jurassic Park is back. Yeah that
lizard and they're like, okay, that's the thing. Because you notice that
they went for more of the tone of the seventies k with the Toho Monster
verse, so they're like that looks that's what we're gonna use. Oh,
those things aren't cool. They're cool. Yeah. I have a commentary track
for King Congskull Island. Try my least favorite Monster Verse movie. I really
I saw it once. I just I don't like it. I like it
now now that I've been breaked. I've only seen it the one time.
I need to rewatch it. You rewatch it because once you realize that they
were going for the schlocky Toho sort of thing. When you go in with
that mindset, it's a lot better. Samuel Jackson saying hold on to your
butts John Goodman's death, and then there's definitely still dumb shit in it,
and the director will admit to the dumb shit in it, like when Honest
Trailers, when it was still good before they fired my friend Andy Signore,
who was completely innocent. Uh, he won his lawsuit, can't argue with
it. They actually had him on and he like because he hated the director,
hated cinema sins. So he went on I think everyone hates. So
he went on Honest Trailer. There was about Roberts actually a big draft part
guy to Yeah, So he went on Honest Trailers and he pointed the flaws
out in this movie, and then he defended some of the people's complaints.
So yeah, I have a lot of respect for Oh I do remember that.
Yeah, So yeah, definitely go back and rewatch it. I don't
hold anything against him or the movie itself. I just I just didn't enjoy
it when it came out. Neither I will rewatch, Like I said,
neither did I until I rewatch. The music is eerie because it's not matching
any of the things in the scene. It's just this constant like that's life
on the island. Yeah, and it's like real creepy and there's just so
many fucking bugs down there, and this scene makes itchy crickets and I love
that they can't even climb because they show that these big crabs that'll come out,
and yeah, that's great. I think I talked to you about the
creature design of the leeches. Is that what they Yeah, those were the
terror graboids. Yeah, Lumpy has one of the best PG thirteen deaths,
like ever, oh god, And I'm like, what a way to go,
Like when the one starts getting his head and I remember seeing those like
fleshy tentacles and I was thinking, I'm like, man, if they ever
did another thing movie, I putn't mind tentacles, and then they did and
it was very bad. Do you have a review for it? I think
it's cool that he actually does take a couple of mouth like with The most
unrealistic thing in the scene is him Tommy gunning the crickets off. I'm like,
oh, fuck you. The most unrealistic scene is in Hayes body.
Oh yeah, he's just that. I hate the fact I don't like see
this is where it ends up going. Jimmy grabs his hat and I'm like,
that's a neat senecut. That's not even into the actual cut. That's
what I didn't remember that. And I'm like, he grabbed his hat that
it's a little morbid. You're not gonna bury your like friend, You're not
gonna haul his carcass. Yeah, nothing, not even any of the bugs
try to fuck with him, Like, yeah, that was weird because they
needed the body there for that scene that they then cut out. But yeah,
the one good thing I do like in the scene is that Jack Black
just loses it because the film all he goes crazy. The film gets exposed
and ruined, and he thinks he's ruined, so he just beats the ship
and I was like fighting all the bugs and with with like the broken drive
and he's it's crazy. But they get saved by Bruce Backs, which is
a great comeback because he's like swinging down like an old like nineteen thirties action.
Yes, because earlier he's like heroes don't look like me in the real
world and a bald head. But yeah, so he comes back. They
save him. The crew saves them for some reason, and some reason they
didn't realize egle Horns should be out at this point. He's like, the
boat's fixed. Fuck all of you. It's so funny that none of them
realized Jack was climbing up the wrong side of the wall till he gets to
the top. Yeah, so Jack Lam's fucking psychopathic. His car realizes he's
gonna bring hand back and the gorilla will follow, and he convinced his angle
Horn's like, we could trap this gorilla and make a ton of money.
El he is evil, He's satan. Kan takes a home and this movie
references other movies that were inspired by King Knu, And of course I'm talking
about this. Him bringing her home and showing her his dead family that he
still lives with is from Ega, the Richard Keel classic about the caveman who
lives in the desert and he kidnaps Roxy and he shows he shows her the
skeletons of his family, who are just paper machet, but they're there and
he still talks to them. Yeah, it's kind of sad because they were
like talking about like this kan like gorillas are supposed to be social living and
stuff. Yes, so when you have one in isolation you've seen in like
Zeus and stuff, like you're like, you don't even watch Tiger King.
They talked about how they he had the two chimpanzee separated and then we're taking
out of his custody. They like embraced each other because they wanted to hang
out, and he's like, fuck, I deprived them of like this growth.
So in the Kung and this he for whatever reason, Yeah, he
doesn't have his family. They've been killed or whatever. They all died in
the cave. It looks like either that or that's where their bones are just
kind of being collected by him. It's interesting because I don't remember there being
that many skeletons. I remember there being one or two, but then you
see the movie. Is it in the theatrical cutting, not just yeah,
it's the there's like five skulls, so like there's a lot of I like
how they reveal the one, like you see it in the corner coming in,
and then he moves the sunlight lights it up, you see it.
And also while he's there, there's a bunch of scary bats in the cave,
but they look he looks out into the sun at the top of this
cliff where he looks at the whole island. This is where you can see
that Peter Jackson's retooling some stuff from the original, because you've got two fight
sequences there cut from h this film that are in the original. Yeah,
when he's going through the cave, there's the pleasiest source snake creature, which
he doesn't fight in this movie. He just you know, peacefully walks with
I guess because you've got so many other fights. Just had like a bunch
of fightings, especially the Rex, and then they cut the Taranadon fight and
instead have the bats and that's how Anne gets away. Like, yeah,
but I like them just sitting looking at the sunlight. Yeah, it's a
good thing. It feels weird because he's like I have something to hang out
with. Now. Well he's also I like the idea when you see the
corpses of all the other king Kong's that like he's got all these scars and
like all these fight and you realize this is a dangerous place to live.
Yeah, he's the only girl. Like they're all dead. I don't know
how they died, but presumably from other fights. I'm guessing they get into
fights with like everything. Yeah. But yeah, so they have a nice
scene where they just watch the sun set. Yeah, all this ruckus freaks
out the bats and they then fly out, and then Cong starts fighting the
bats and gets distracted by them, and they grab onto a bat wing and
like, yeah, well now they're sneaking on the vine and then he's grabbing
the vine. But oh yeah that's a great way pulling it back up.
Yeah yeah. Oh and I like when he's just roaring off the cliff.
He's like, fuck, you give me back my lady. Yeah. So
yeah, you're right. They Yeah, it's so excessive. They could have
just climbed down a vine, jump on a bat and then flying to a
riff. That's a little ridiculous. Uh, but yeah, they make it
back to the wall where this big trap is being set. Uh, and
they have this big fight, Like he comes on the wall, he breaks
through the doors. Uh, he doesn't just say, oh my god,
that was badass even in the theater, dude, because you've got all the
people on the other side. And remember Preston like does it early and yeah
king, oh yeah, and he gets hit with the face. I think
I always wanted to see the Jurassic Park gates again because at this time you
talked a lot about how like this really did itch that scratch after Jurassic Partic,
Yes, after Jurassic Park went away, because we Draft Park three is
like four years ago at this point. Yeah, and we this was the
last time for all while that we got a proper dinosaur movie. Yeah.
So, like we were talking, we got movies with dinosaurs in them,
like the Land of the Loss remake, but that was pretty series. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, there wasn't something like this like this PG thirteen action
until Jurassic World again. And like we were talking about, how again,
this movie was ten when that came out. Now it's almost twenty years old.
But this was exciting. I always wanted to see a t Rex or
something burst through the Jurassic part gates. But when Kong fucking like launches and
you know, all these dudes are like, they are not like well matched.
I think there's an extended show where he like chatters a house that's there.
Yeah, the natives they don't get involved. The natives are gone.
Yeah, they're like, fuck this the original King Kong, the famous thing
where like he breaks through and but they they're not fucking with They're like,
yeah, man, those port natoves they left the and oh my god,
now they're gates busted, their gates bust. Anything could come in and kill
him. I never thought about that. Yeah, I talked about in the
seventies. They're probably thrilled Kong is going because I'm sure there's others to take
n Sure there's other monsters on the island, but it doesn't look like there's
many. But yeah, that's the problem with that movie. There's just a
snake. But yeah, I remember in that movie, they're like all those
natives we took their God, they're just gonna be drunk losing. They're gonna
be able to actually reuse all the resources on their island for the first time
ever ruins and yeah, they're like, hey, we can actually like go
in there without being eaten by a gorilla, let's hang out or a snake.
I mean sure there's probably other giants snakes, but like, look all
this greenery we can actually have access to the scene is really like tragic where
he's just trying to get to Inn and get her back, and she she
understands she can't be with him, but she also doesn't want him hurt.
Yeah, and they do the great chloroform reused, but I'll try to like
hit him with the chloroform but it's not strong enough, not quite. But
I love the scene where he bites that guy's head off. Yeah, yeah,
he just like bits because he was biting people in the original. Apparently,
I don't know if they filmed it or if it was meant to be
there, but apparently they're were they were going to have a cameo with the
Hobbits here where they were there were a bunch of crewmen who were going to
die. I think it was here, and it totally could have worked,
but I do think it would have been distracting. Who was it was It
just Frodo and I think it was all of them? Was Sam, but
I can't kill Sam but no, I mean not as the Hobbits. They
would just be the actors, I know, but still they're if they're all
together, you're supposed to make the connection. But yeah, I was thinking
about it, and I'm like, that would have kind of taken me out
of the movie. Yeah, I wouldn't have taken it seriously either. Yeah,
because this is the most like turning point traumatic scene that. Yeah,
this is like I'm invested in the emotion of the Kongway and distracting cameo.
Would it worked here or Carl up on the rocks it delivers the final chloroform.
Yeah, after they stab them with the harpoon. Yeah, which you
think would that really be the thing that actually hurts Kong after all, the
tyrannosaur like bite because the taner bones like that harpoon's like that. But it
was like, and it's it's larp It looks like it's sticking out where it
didn't really go in. It probably made it in his bone or something.
I do like the fact that Carl's like, we're millionaires boys, share it
with all of you and you've never seen those guys again. Fucking this guy's
a cruel bastard. We cut to New York, very very harsh transition,
much like San Diego and Loss. We were talking about the excess of this.
It's shocking that he showed restraint and didn't do what the seventies did,
where we get a scene of him and I do like it on the boat
in the seventies where he's like causing a ruckus and stuff. But we just
got right to New York and it's the night of the big show and we're
made to believe that Anne is the star of the show. How they're cutting
it and at the same time Jack is putting on a very problematic play.
But it's got dialogue from when he had Anne earlier and this whole thing.
It's like he misses hand. He thinks An's going to be up the show.
Everyone's excite, all the producers who ate a Carl, I love it,
but all you brought back the ape? Yes, and Carl introduces the
show and he's like, ah, yes, uh he was tamed by a
girl from New York and everyone cheers. You mentioned those Probably something add him
because of nine to eleven. It's still posting. It's still early post from
New York. Yeah, it's not quite the scene in Spider Man you messed
with one of us, You messed with All that was added after the fact.
By the way, the show sucks, like it's cool to see a
giant gorilla, but you think about it, like they open up the curtain.
The grilla is just like feel a little bad for him. Yeah,
I mean just posted. Yeah, it's just like I do like Bruce Baxter
running out there, and he should have had the mustache. It would have
been a great payoffs funny with that character too, because they kind of go
in a direction when he saves everyone that he's like redeeming himself from the narcissistic
Hollywood tennessees. Yeah, but then he runs away at the end. Well
he's other people can deal with it. Yeah, but yeah, and I
like the show that they're putting on and again again a little excessive. It's
like, yes, Peter Jackson, I know you love the original Kong.
You didn't have to pull out the original costumes and the music a scene from
it. You're already remaking the movie. But yeah, I like the Chief
looks like the Chief of the original and the music from the originals playing there,
And I have it here. Kyle Chandler didn't dance enough in the New
Kong movies. I like his I like his gorilla dancing in this. Yes,
the next movie they should have him dancing with King Kong. You think
he'll do a Son of Kong one day? Probably not. That was that
World War One thing. I don't know. So Carl picks the worst time
to take pictures on stage wild presentations. Well, the play is still going
on. That's it's not a good play. Very weird. Oh and we
find out Anne's out there. She is, Kong's distracted from that. Yeah
you're not Anne. Yeah, so we see Anne's there, But then because
the movie is successive, we have to cut to her and the other shows
slow motions. Very This is the part of the movie where in theaters,
the theatrical cutting. I was like, okay, I've seen King Kong,
Peter Jackson, I got a pee really bad. He better start climbing that
tower, really, you know what I mean. And it's like a slow
motion sad song scene. And it's like I mean, I mean, showed
the reveal that she's not actually there. But it didn't need to be filmed
like this, Like I didn't need to go see a tap dancer. During
to break Up, this action breaks out of the chrome steel. I like
that He's like, he's our chrome steel. It breaks shattered because Carl does
not know the riddle of steel. Yeah, yes, it's flesh. Yes.
The subscriber James Old also, do I like him chasing Adrian Brodie throughout
the streets in the car Fox his car up pretty good? Yeah, well,
I like before the car he's just in man, he's in Times Square.
And I was telling you when I saw this movie earlier that day,
I'd been in the Yeah you were there, Yeah, and I'm like,
oh, it's funny. And then I go to watch a movie like I
was just there. But yeah, I like that he's just digging into the
bus, just grabbing people out. This stuff is great, but it is
too much. It's too at this point in the movie. It's a little
too much. We're well into the third act and like, I don't think
Peter Jackson understood, like, because we know what to expect going in.
We've seen the original movie. Yeah, we are looking forward to the final
climactic action sequences. And when you add on top of that, military trying
to like not only get Kong, but Kong reuniting with and it's like,
all right, this movie, you already overdid it with like all that.
That's the thing. He did overdo it with the island, and luckily he
cut a lot the island. Everything was so fucking cool. If he had
just a quicker first act, we could have had the stuff of the island,
we could have separated where it's like, first act is we're gonna get
to the island, we're there, we meet Kung, and then you have
like the island segment and then the New York segment, and then the New
York stuff was kind of like an afterthought. But then he also wanted that
to be big and loud and long. And it's crazy because like every time
I've watched this film, when they're like on the ice and everything, I'm
like, yes, all right. So he beats up Jack and and just
happens to be there walking and walking in very slow motion coming back to see
Kong. And they use this in the trailer, and it's cool for the
trailer when you're watching this so well made movie. But yeah, it is
a great shots, great musical integration. But but yeah, he grabs her.
I don't know why she would even entertain this. I know she cares
for Kong, but at this point she's like, no, yeah, it
sucks for him. Let me just lead you down that path of death.
Come yeah. But then yeah, yeah, I don't know what her plan
is here. Yeah, but yeah, they do the ice skating thing where
he's all happy. Yeah, that was the scene in the theater. I
was like, I gotta go to the back. Yeah, the military attacks
him. There's an extended scene right after this, which I had never seen
before. This military guy's liked this gorilla is taking over the city. Damn
dirty eight. We get him. I don't want him in my city.
We're gonna show them that. And then cong just like knocks all of them.
We head off. I would that would have been a good scene for
the Hoppits. Yeah, it is funny, but it takes away from the
seriousness of what's going on, and it's kind of like and it's straight up
Peter Jackson humor. But it didn't. But it really it's a little too
late for this kind of humor. The movie at this point is a little
too serious, like the well, this is the climax, like you're you're
not supposed to have any goofy this going on right now. I felt really
bad. I always feel bad, like when Kong dies in this movie,
because he really like you can see he's dying, like when he's like,
well they they fucking. At some point, they almost tricky into thinking he's
gonna make it, yeah, because because he's he like shatters the one plane.
I look when he grabs the one plane. Oh yeah, and that's
on the you know poster, and yeah, I've always loved that scene.
I was like, oh, I'm waiting for him to sling it because when
he grabs that one fight and slings in the other one, I like the
badass. They show the planes like wings folding and it just falls into a
cool and by the way, we were talking like wow, the CG really
holds up here, like it like shockingly still holds up like the city and
everything. The model Kong alone there, it's like a lot of close ups
and some of this stuff, and he's got in with him and it looks
really good. Yeah, some of the green scream with her could be dodgy,
but like all the stuff of the planes in the city, I'm like,
this still looks phenomenal. Usually you go back and you watch these movies,
you're like, eh, they did a great job on this. This
final this is you know, the most apart from the t Rex fight.
You're looking forward to the Empire state building. Yes, but yeah, he
tragically dies, very very sad, and it is pretty sad because you like,
you hear the heartbeat and everything you see like his eyes roll back and
then like and then he falls off and it's like, oh buddy, yeah
that's a bummer. Yeah, that shot of looking down while he's like yeah,
it's like really slow with the planes. That was the one time where
slow motions actually needed. And the music like gets drowned out there, which
I like. And she's very sad and then she hugs Adrian Brody. Yeah.
Now what do you think about the scene where all the like military people
are like getting their picture taken with the dead body of Kong is tragic?
Yeah, it makes sense, but now I mean no, now, realistically
they should all be covered in blood and Entrail would have been a good twist
for this, but he should have fallen on top of Carl Denham. That
would have well, the Carl Denham equivalent dies in the seventy six version.
Yeah, yeah, he does, but Carl Denham, because he doesn't die
in the original they kept them live. But it's like this version of Carl
Dnham, but this guy is is the bad guy and instead he gets his
the way they cut it, they make it seem just see he's naive and
overly ambitious. But yeah, but when you watch the extended cut, it's
like people dying. This dude needs to die right now. He's like,
oh, yeah, that'll be great for the film. Yeah, yeah,
but they were all they almost ruined the scene because they talked about they wanted
the Fay Ray cameo. She was still alive at the time, nobody would
have understood, and it was going to cut to an old lady's stewing the
whole it was Beauty that killed the Beast? Lying, was that supposed to
be a grown up Like, no, no, it was just like Titanic
thing. Okay, well that's even weirder. Some random old lady just happened
to be there to say the line she knows what's going on, and they
were talking about how they were gonna go to her apartment and blue screen it.
I'm like, oh, thank god they chose that's terrible. I still
don't like Carl saying it because of what he's done to cause all this,
and it looks like he hasn't learned anything. Yeah, he's like, well,
I'm gonna go shoot Son of Kong. Well yeah, if anything,
he's just like he should have in this version of the movie. He should
have just been like, yeah, that's my fault and been arrested or something.
The movie really should have ended with him going like, you know,
I can't help but think I might be responsible for that. That's why I
said King Kong should have fallen on top of him. Oh, I've been
good. I mean that would have been good. But yeah, then the
movie ends with the nice James Newton Howard score, great music. It makes
you sad and cry. Not me. I didn't cry, but other people
cried to girls. I saw it with the second time ball in their eyes
out. I know my family people, My family cried. But yeah,
it's very, very sad and tragic, and I really like it. But
I think we can agree. Yeah, yeah, it needed a lot cut
out of it. It's it's too excessive. It's great, and I love
this movie and I personally love a lot of that stuff, but I can
see like as a wonder, I'm like, this should have been trimmed.
Too many characters, the fight scenes go on a little too long. I
think this is the perfect example of like editing and narrative editing everything else.
And by the way, you can still have this movie. Editing will have
saved this movie. Yeah, well, like it's every scene is great,
but when it comes to actually having a digestible, like really good structure.
Yeah, something we talked about The Lost World really suffered from with that hard
cut to San Diego where they cut the whole scene out where the t Rex
wakes up on the boat and that kills people. And then on top of
that, you've got drass Park three, which we've talked about like there is
no third act, yeah, really is there? And this movie you've got
this collection of incredible scenes ruxtually. When you watch him all cut together,
I said, it felt like a rough cut because it's like, dude,
the story is buried. It's like burying the lead and like a misleading artist,
You're like, what is this like? And this is the era where
they do put out extended cuts. They do it less these days, which
is upsetting. And knowing that he must have known he was going to be
able to put out an extended cut, knowing that he could have trimmed the
theatrical cut a little bit more, a little bit more, I think he
could have had his cake and eating it. Two. But you've got Peter
Jackson coming off of not one, but three, he got a little little
little two. Not only were those films considered like great, those films made
a shit ton of money. I just think we know now that he's not
the strongest writer. Did he Well, yeah, he did write this with
his wife, didn't he. I think this movie's written fine. I think
this movie was just too excessive, Like I really believe personally, Yeah,
Frank Walsh, Philippa Boyaans, and Peter Jackson No. I I mean he's
a funny writer, but it's just like he doesn't know how to like he
trimp cut it, trimp pull it back. Yeah, he doesn't know how
to like simplified thing. And we saw that with The Hobbit. I don't
know if he wrote the Hobbit, but we saw like he did. I
think, right, some stuff in the Hobbit I think with which you really
get it. With the second I think the Second Hobbit movie is the best,
even though they include the very questionable relationship between the Dwarf and the Elf,
and then they the whole third movie is that plus dude, the Battle
of the Five Armies in the book is literally like a couple of yes.
It's like nothing. And then in the movie Bilbo gets knocked out and he
wakes up and it's done. Yes, And in the movie the dwarfs are
like a fucking gatling gun and like there's like these creature designs which people because
people got so used to his long, action packed movies, and it's like,
well, the story was actually also good in those, and the characters
were good and you knew what to focus on. It wasn't that it was
just long and had a lot of action. Yeah, And that's what he
did with this. He's like, I'm gonna make it long and have a
lot of action. It's like, well, the other thing, too,
is that none of it's bad, Like all of the action in this,
all of the like special screen. Well, yeah, but Stampede is bad.
I'm talking about the actual Like, there's nothing in it that screams poorly
done. Yes, it's just too much, too much, Like you gotta
cut this stuff back. But yeah, I still think that theatric cut,
even even though I've made all those critiques about the extended cut, it's very
fun. The theatric Cut's a way to watch this movie. There's an even
better movie buried in the theatrical cut. Yes, but even with all of
that being said, too much of a good thing still means that you've got
a good thing. Yeah, this is a good movie. Definitely think it's
the second best King Kong after the nineteen thirty three original, And I don't
think anything else comes like at a close third for me. Like I like
Son of Kong and Godzilla Versus Kong, but those movies are like further down
for me. Seventy six I have to rewatch that. But how close do
you think that film really isn't quality to this? God, I'm equal,
I think really that. I don't know, No, it's I have a
sauce spot for that one. Like if you're going five out of five stars
nineteen thirty three original four and a half or four for this song, yes,
yes, and then what do you do like the seventy six, like
a three out of five five? Okay, no, no, no,
yeah, you're right, right, there's a big gap in quality between the
King and the good thing with this is I think we're done telling the story.
I think we got it. You don't think they'll ever remake it again.
We did it three times, make another fifty years. I don't know
how you're going to top this version, which is why I don't mind having
this more action schlocky Kong. It's like we had the other version, you
had it. I get that. I preferred this style, like what they
were doing in the original thirty three version, in the two thousand and five
version. That's my cong like the serious cong so, but I mean after
a certain point, it's just like, well, we got it. Yeah,
what are you gonna do the story again? Yeah? Yeah, I
get it. I get it. Yeah. Like it's also probably the achilles
heel of trying to franchise King Kong is the fact that they tried to do
that back in the day, and like I don't hate Son of Kong,
yeah, Son of Kong, And they did not know how to make sequels
back then, Like even Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Son of Kong,
they're like, let's sink the island so that we can't do anymore and
like then they're like, let's just nuke the world. They were like,
so we're gonna do a third one. Uh, there's a new ape.
He's called Joe Young. We're Mighty Joe. Even in King Kong versus Godzilla,
they're like, yeah, yeah, this is Faroe Island. Oh because
it's a different time. Yeah, I know, they're like they can't make
a sequel. You could technically say Son of Kong's connected because the fucking islands.
But yeah, but like yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah,
I think it's a fun time. It's great. We really enjoyed this movie.
It's it is too much. It is too excessive. I definitely think
for even though it's too much, in way too excessive, you're watching filmmaking
like genius on display here all around. This is an example having too much
creative control. Sometimes this was his passion, pride. Sometimes having a producer
to reel in some ideas can help. Yeah. I know everyone thinks producers
the bane of the universe and they like ruin things because a lot of times
they do, Spielberg, but there are occasionally times we're having someone to push
back on your ideas. We saw what the Star Wars prequels when the director
has free reign to do whatever he wants. Sure, and then the sequels
are the opposite. But yeah, it's like you need someone to push back
on right, Hey, yeah these are business. Yeah, you make movies
to make money. And you talk about like producers having that like final Sayer
control, which Peter Jackson had ultimate control in this movie. Yes, Spielberg
stepped in a lot for Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. Originally that movie was supposed
to be in London. The whole thing was going to be set on a
boat actually transporting the dinosaurs to the place. Originally, Malcolm was going to
be on the boat trying to sabotage it. Me about that, Yeah,
it didn't make any sense. Bielberg was like, no, no, no,
no, no, you can't. It'll take too long to get to
London. It's gonna be boring. If all the dinosaurs are and cages in
the boat. The whole movie California is way quicker. I went there in
the Lost World like, so sometimes a producer can step in and it's I
guess that's debatable if you think that I actually think a Resident Evil Revelations style
Jurassic Park movie sounds cool, but uh yeah, someone probably should have stepped
up here and been like, hey, Peter Jackson, we're already in New
York. We don't need another hour. Yes, yes, we can speed
this part. Yeah yeah, we only speed this part up. But I'd
say check it out. And you know what else, you guys should check
out my good friend Clayton. Oh yeah, well you can find me Clayton
Furied on YouTube. I talk about Jurassic Park. I also have a second
channel called dragon Curb where we talk about everything. Yes. Yeah, it's
a very very good channel and I highly recommend it. Well, thank you
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