1 00:00:37,520 --> 00:01:40,319 Why go down, start, don go do show shops. That's why I 2 00:01:40,560 --> 00:05:16,480 start my show, not side shows. SI you're listening to do wal humin 3 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:26,839 ate very far? Come here, God, don't get so friendly, maself. 4 00:05:27,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Good morning, everybody, Welcome, Here we go. It is that 5 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:08,720 time again, Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w 6 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,160 m n H ninety five point three FM in Manchester, New Hampshire. And 7 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,040 of course you can go to my website Matt Connorton dot com for all your 8 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:20,120 live streaming options, social media links, contact and folks show archives, et 9 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:25,959 cetera, et cetera. It is Saturday, April six, twenty twenty four, 10 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:40,040 and I am not alone. Jenny, Jenny is here. Fine, 11 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,839 Welcome, Welcome. We've got a great show for you today. We have 12 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,439 an amazing guest we're going to introduce in just a moment. Plus we have 13 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:51,600 Warhog coming up later in the show and Conduit, and we have Eric Pilcher's 14 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,120 classic film review. Last week was the making of Citizen Kane. This week 15 00:06:56,399 --> 00:07:01,079 Eric reviews Citizen Kane the movie itself is all time favorite. Also want to 16 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,480 mention because I almost forgot since we went to Saturdays. This week is the 17 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:14,199 seven year anniversary of Matt Connorton Unleashed here at w M and H. Oh 18 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,040 my gosh, this is the first year I actually like zoned it. Yeah, 19 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,600 it's because of the change in our schedule. We kind of just forgot. 20 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:25,480 But yes, but we've been super busy seven years, super busy seven 21 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,600 years. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, isn't that what's number seven? What 22 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,160 is seven years? I wonder what that is? What do you mean? 23 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Well, is it like the paper anniversary? I don't know. I think 24 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:39,480 I mean, you have to get me a gift. This lucky number seven, 25 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:43,160 No, lucky number seven seven supposed to be in something. I also 26 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,040 want to mention too, just briefly, of course, we have a brand 27 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,800 new sponsor we can make the official announcement. Morgan Self Storage is now an 28 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:57,519 official sponsor of Matt Connorton Unleashed and w M and H ninety five point three 29 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,319 FM. So so very proud of you hearing that. Thank you. You'll 30 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,959 be hearing that commercial spot beginning on the station soon. Just need to get 31 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,879 final approval on the commercial itself from the sponsor, of course, but because 32 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,000 we don't do anything until they've approved it and said yes, but they said 33 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,480 yes, yes. I just need them to say yes to the ad itself 34 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,839 and then we'll be able to we'll be able to start running it. But 35 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,759 very excited about that. So uh but what we are all so excited about 36 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,920 this morning? Let me get that mic up. We have a gentleman whose 37 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,679 name has come up on this show so many times. Eric Sotter of Blackhart 38 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,720 Sound is here. Hello, Eric, Hey, Matt, that's going Am 39 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:37,159 I saying your last name correctly? As the Solder? You've got it right? 40 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:43,440 Okay, people say like soute or right right now. The reason your 41 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:46,080 name has come up so much on the show is a lot of the artists 42 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,440 that we've had on the show that I've interviewed over the years have mentioned you 43 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,519 and recording with you at Blackheart's Sound. Yeah, I know, Slim Volume 44 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,039 been on here recently, the Night Blinders, to name a few, I 45 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:03,399 mean even today a Conduit It's going to be on yes, which is kind 46 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,360 of a coincidence. It was not even planned. Julia was telling me about 47 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,480 that. Yeah, we just we had finished up some stuff I want to 48 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,159 say, last year and they're putting out a single soon. So yeah, 49 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,759 yeah, yeah, looking with some people in Manchester for a little bit, 50 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,240 that's for sure. Yeah, Dank Sinatra, right, yeah. In fact, 51 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:26,639 I yes, pictures of Fredo on I think it was on the Facebook 52 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:30,679 page for the for the studio. I think Fredo and they're playing guitar. 53 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:33,600 Oh yeah, yeah, Jesse came in the friend Jesse took a bunch of 54 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:37,120 pictures and some great ones. Yeah. Yeah, see Fredo all over there. 55 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,279 Yeah yeah, absolutely. How long How long has Black Heart Sound been 56 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,120 open? It's been it's been in the location it's been in, which is 57 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,360 on Elm Street behind the Music Mill for I want to say, we're going 58 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,039 on five years at this point. I think I did my first session in 59 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,600 twenty nineteen, like April or May, okay, but I've been operating, 60 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,080 you know, working with bands for quite a bit longer than that. I 61 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,840 grabbed a bunch of equipment when I was I want to say, probably around 62 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,080 like twenty sixteen and just started like doing it from there. And it's a 63 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,919 long story, but yeah, it's been going on for a little bit, 64 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:18,679 but officially about five years. Excellent, excellent. We should mention too before 65 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,159 we go any further than that opening song, that's your band Magnetar in a 66 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,399 track called Event Horizon and really good stuff. I listened to that whole album 67 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,879 crushed. I listened to that yesterday and just loved it. Yeah, we 68 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:33,480 did a record. We put it out with this label, Seeing Red Records 69 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,440 in twenty twenty two. Yeah, in June. It's a great album. 70 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,720 It's great for you know, fans of like like heavy metal stuff. It's 71 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,240 like I was saying, you know, definitely like adjacent to like post metal 72 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:52,080 stuff mastedon. If you're a fan of Macedonia, you like it. Yeah, 73 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:54,200 yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, really good, really 74 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,120 good. Yeah. I think I'd mentioned this U off air before the show. 75 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,519 I've been aware of Magnetar for a while, but I hadn't made the 76 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,679 connection that you were in the band. And I assume you recorded everything yourself, 77 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,720 right, you were the engineer and did it all there. I did 78 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:09,639 the I did the recording, I did the mixing. I had it mastered 79 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:15,000 by my friend Zach who works in Salem at God City. Did a great 80 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:18,039 job with it. So yeah, yeah, uh, do you have any 81 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,519 plans for more more? Almost said mastered on for more Magnetar coming? Yeah, 82 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:28,799 you know we uh, we didn't do a lot between like twenty twenty 83 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,120 two and uh and now. But I'm just getting back and starting to write 84 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,799 some more music with U, with the you know, a couple of the 85 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:39,720 couple of the members, and we've got some stuff brewing. It's not like 86 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,159 nearly the same sort of music. It's definitely gotten to be a little bit 87 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,720 more tame really, not not as heavy, yeah, not as heavy as 88 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,440 you know. I'm just kind of feeling something a little bit different these days. 89 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,039 Yeah. Yeah, this the last album, Crushed is a very very 90 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,480 heavy, oppressive, but like kind of beautiful album. Yeah. I wanted 91 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,440 to go in a little bit more of like a rock to around action while 92 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,039 still keeping those sorts of elements. So we're kind of feeling that out, 93 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,320 figuring out how that's gonna materialize. And we got like, I think we're 94 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,200 like halfway through an album right now. Oh really in regards to like, 95 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,039 you know, just demoing it out, yeah, and getting the songs ready. 96 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,840 So yeah, hopefully later this year we'll we'll start you know, getting 97 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,720 those down and hopefully have an album again soon. Excellent. Does magnetar ever 98 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:24,360 play out? The last time we played out was the was the release show 99 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:28,799 that we did for that LP. We did it as a benefit show over 100 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,240 at the the Alpine Club on the West Side. Yeah, oh okay, 101 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:33,840 I mean I want to say, like a lot of the shows we've done 102 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,320 of generally around like some sort of like fund raiser benefits show. So yeah, 103 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,879 that was the That was the last one we did, and we we 104 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,440 haven't really been been doing much since. I would imagine a Magnetar show is 105 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,919 pretty intense. It's a lot. Yeah. I mean, like we we 106 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,759 have from like the get go, we were known as like this the band 107 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:54,399 that just like brought out like all these ridiculous amps and cabs. I remember 108 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:00,559 I would literally just collect like as many amps and like high wise amps cabinets 109 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,279 as I could and just play out. It was a for a while it 110 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,480 was a two piece. It was me and a drummer, uh Johnny Funk, 111 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:09,960 And yeah, I would just show up with like a split a line 112 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 splitter plug into as many like you know, one hundred two of the watte 113 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,279 heads as I could and just like make this like really oppressive live sound. 114 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,240 That was kind of our reputation, and it's not to that degree anymore. 115 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:24,960 We actually have like a dedicated bass player second guitar player, so you know, 116 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,039 we we toned it down a little bit, but it's still a lot 117 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,639 to bring out. You know, been playing with like full stacks and you 118 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,080 know, big six twelve guitar cabinets. So it's like it's a lot I 119 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,240 have to van in order to do that. That's that's really cool. I 120 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,799 respect that a lot. That's great. Now as far as you had posted 121 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:46,679 something on social media recently and congratulations, you're you're doing uh producing and doing 122 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,360 black arts sound more as like a full time I mean, I imagine you're 123 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,799 already working a lot of hours doing that, but you're you're really going to 124 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,039 the next level with it, right yep. You know, for uh, 125 00:13:56,279 --> 00:14:01,440 for the first uh, first few years of this venture, it was just 126 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,799 like it was kind of I did this in between my full time job, 127 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,679 yeah, which you know it was it's pretty taxing, you know, having 128 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,240 to do that because you know, I'd be taking you know, my weekends 129 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,600 and then like working with bands. Yeah, it was great. It was 130 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,240 a you know, I wouldn't take it back at all. But there's a 131 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,759 certain point where you know, you got to you gotta like really have some 132 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,279 free time in your life because I was like, you know, doing things 133 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,159 like having like between two to four days off a month, which isn't sustainable 134 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,120 in the long run, that's for sure. So yeah, I made the 135 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:35,080 decision to go full on into and kind of like just have a have a 136 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,080 part time job. I saw I do work at the Manchester Music Mill. 137 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,279 Yeah, currently, but just it needed more of my attention in order to 138 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,879 grow. Yeah. Yeah, No, that's a great place. I wanted 139 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:50,600 to work there, but I didn't get the call. No, but it 140 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:52,240 is a great place. How long have you worked there, I've worked. 141 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:58,360 I've been working for Joe since twenty thirteen. Oh, I moved to Manchester, 142 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,960 like I want to say late twenty twelve. Yeah, and I I 143 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,159 think I was like working pizza delivery then. And one day I just decided 144 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,120 I wanted to work at that store. Yeah, and I was. So 145 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,600 I went in and you know, I knew who Joe was. I had 146 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,440 shot there for a while. Yeah, And I went up to him and 147 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,840 asked him, Hey, do you got any openings, Like yeah, maybe 148 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:24,240 go shoot me a resume. So I shot him a resume. Yeah, 149 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:26,080 and I went in like a couple days later, Hey, do you look 150 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,720 at the resume? No, I haven't. And then I went in, 151 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,279 like you know, a few days later, and a few days later I 152 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:35,440 bugged him, yeah, yeah, heavily, and then he to the point 153 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,360 where he was just like, dude, just okay, yeah, come in, 154 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:43,120 come in next Tuesday. Yeah, excellent, excellent. What did you 155 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,480 start out doing there? Just sales on the It was just sales, yeah, 156 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,320 I mean it was the It was a pretty small staff at that point. 157 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:54,440 It's grown exponentially since they started to like a wild operation. I mean 158 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,720 it was just that one building. We had all of our storage for everything 159 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,399 inside of there. All of our backstock was in that one building. Yeah, 160 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,840 and it was like me, him, another manager, and like maybe 161 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,440 one other sales guy. So it was pretty small. I was kind of 162 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,759 just did everything there. Yeah, at that point, you had your hands 163 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,759 in a little bit of all that sort of stuff. So and uh, 164 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,360 you know, when you're in a small staff, eventually you just start getting 165 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,200 more and more responsibility to you, whether you need you're you're ready for it 166 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,559 or not. Right right stile by fire at that point, a very small, 167 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,840 small place. So you know, eventually I'm holding keys Eventually, like 168 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:32,799 you know, I'm doing like trade deals quoting out like you know, prices 169 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:34,879 with people and that just kind of like grew from there and I was a 170 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,080 I think I was managing, uh like had some sort of like manager role, 171 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,879 but like like a couple of years after that, so and I've been 172 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:45,679 doing that ever since. It's a great place. I I love working there. 173 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,840 It's it's a fantastic organization. And Joe's an amazing guy to work for. 174 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,720 Well, when you talk about how it's grown too, I I because 175 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,759 I remember going in there years ago and it was much smaller. And uh 176 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:02,440 when I when I went there for my interview, Craig gave me a tour 177 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:07,759 of the whole place and it's I I was stunned actually at how how huge 178 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,759 it is. That warehouse building. Yeah, we put that that's that's the 179 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:17,279 building that the studio is in. Joe purchased that in twenty eighteen and completely 180 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:21,880 renovated it and that really allowed us to like take our stock to a certain 181 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,759 degree, have a dedicated shipping department, have a dedicated receiving area, so 182 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:33,480 it really allowed us to grow even further. Yeah, So yeah, it's 183 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,599 it's unbelievable. Joe is I I don't think I would I would be able 184 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,519 to do what I'm doing right now if I didn't work under someone like him, 185 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:44,279 because he is just such a hard worker. He knows what to do 186 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,400 and with a business and just so dedicated to you know, seeing that growth, 187 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,400 making the business succeed, and also taking care of his employees. It's 188 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,920 it's h you don't get many bosses like him in this life. And then 189 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,759 so when you started Blackheart Sound officially, did you start recording there or were 190 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:08,759 you recording at home at first? So, yeah, I started by I 191 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:15,640 had a spot down in Morgan celf storage and I think our there we go 192 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,359 small. I was there for a while actually, and I had I think 193 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,640 I wanted to record like demos for for my band at the time. And 194 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:29,240 uh so I got myself, like I think I had like a small, 195 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:33,519 little like two track interface and I had like a barringer mixer that I would 196 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,759 run the mix down and two tracks into that. So I would start by 197 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,240 doing that sort of stuff. And then word got out that, oh Eric 198 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,400 can record stuff. So bands I would like you know, start working with 199 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,000 like punk bands and doing stuff. And I didn't really know what I was 200 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:51,000 doing, but like you know, they'd come over. Hey, here's twenty 201 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,720 bucks in the a six pack. Let's go for a few hours and see 202 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,440 what we can get. So that started, and I'm and uh. Then 203 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,359 I got like a like an eight track setup, like some sort of like 204 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,960 personas thing, and I was like, wow, I really like this. 205 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,880 I want to I want to learn how to actually do this. Yeah, 206 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:10,119 so I just went full in, not really knowing what I was doing. 207 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,880 I went out and bought a bunch of equipment, took out when went and 208 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,880 got like a personal loan which sounds crazy, and bought a bunch of like 209 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,640 nice mics, like you know, some decent pre amps. And I was 210 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,200 just like, I'm gonna learn how to do this. I'm gonna try and 211 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:30,160 find spaces in which I can do this. The second space I had was 212 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,200 in the Varick buildings, the buildings that they tore down across from the market 213 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,440 Basket and oh, okay, yeah you're familiar with those. I mean that 214 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,400 a lot of people had studios in there, a lot of people had practice 215 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,000 spaces, and I had a practice space in there at one time before before 216 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:48,440 Morgan's, before I had a practice space at Morgan's. Yeah, so I 217 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,960 know exactly the spot. Yeah, I got in there and I was I 218 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,519 ended up taking over this like giant space that was uh it was called the 219 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:00,720 fuzz Hut. It was. It was like a I y venue that a 220 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:04,319 bunch of people I know had run and they ended up getting out of there 221 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:07,640 and I took it over and it was like three thousand square feet. It 222 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,000 was huge. Wow. And I just started, uh like you know, 223 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,599 doing more bands out of there and kind of like cutting my teeth there and 224 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,039 learning how to do this. I think one of the uh, one of 225 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:22,640 the first records I did was for Mit and the night Blinders. I'd known 226 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,759 my ten you know, I'd from like the shaskiing and everything, and hit 227 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:29,359 me up, Hey, can you can do my band? I was like 228 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,960 sure, gave him like you know, I was recording for basically nothing then, 229 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,359 and he's like okay, day, He's like all right, we want 230 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,799 to do it live. And I'm like, I've never done this before, 231 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,000 Like I've never recorded a live folk circle. So I'm literally, you know, 232 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,640 they're an hour to coming in and I'm sitting there on Google. How 233 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,880 do you make up a folk circle? Like That's where I was. I 234 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,599 had all this equipment I'm just like learning how to do it practically. I 235 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,839 never went to school for any of this stuff. So I just threw myself 236 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:59,519 in there. And you know, I I love that record still. It's 237 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:02,720 a it's a great ones, very uh, very raw. But yeah, 238 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,759 that's that's really where I started. So at a certain point that that space 239 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:11,599 become became kind of like unusable. I wanted to find a place where I 240 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:15,359 could put money into. It was a spot that only would give me a 241 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,519 month to month lease, which I'm looking at putting twenty five to forty grand 242 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,960 into a spot to build it out, right. You don't want to do 243 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,839 that, right, Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, So I started moving 244 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:30,839 around. I ended up finding a place over at Candy Road, right next 245 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,960 to Candy Road Brewing, and rented from them for a while. I know, 246 00:21:33,079 --> 00:21:38,079 I know all those people really well, they're they're great, and operated 247 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:41,440 out of there for a little bit, did some shows there, tried to 248 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,039 you know, kind of foster a little bit of that uh that that DIY 249 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:51,319 space for shows with people that that was fun. And then when Joe bought 250 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,960 the building behind the music, Millie is like, hey, I'll give you 251 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:56,960 a whole quadrant of this place, do you want it? And it was 252 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,400 like it was perfect. I could rent from my boss. I can uh, 253 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,839 I'll have like a full it was. It was just like a full 254 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:06,880 blank rectangle to build from the ground up. Wow. And that was like 255 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,000 the golden opportunity. It was like yep, do it. Wow. So 256 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:14,680 and uh yeah, that's where I've been for uh for the past the past 257 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,079 five years. Yeah, it really really uh struck good luck to get in 258 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,000 there, because I'll tell you, finding spaces to do this it's extremely difficult. 259 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,759 I have bounced around, I have done It's not easier either finding places 260 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,039 where you uh you know that that are like somewhat affordable, but like you 261 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,839 have to deal with people around you being noisy or like them being upset with 262 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,640 you or that was that was probably a problem with Morgan's right. Yeah, 263 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,759 that was That's why I like, as soon as I started, like, 264 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,160 you know, being like, hey, I'm gonna charge bands, even though 265 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,039 it wasn't much like I'm gonna charge people a little bit, I had to 266 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,519 get out of there because, you know, I'd start doing stuff and then 267 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:52,079 suddenly up band next to you's rehearsing exactly. It's a rehearsal space. Of 268 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:55,720 course, I can't get upset about that, but you gotta know where you're 269 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,240 at. Yeah, so I had to find find places. So yeah, 270 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,319 or you're just like doing you know, really expensive commercial space and you know 271 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,440 that that'll allow you to do that. It's it's it's tough. Yeah yeah, 272 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,720 yeah, No, you're in a You're in a great situation. And 273 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:12,160 uh yeah, that couldn't have worked out any better. Huh, I say, 274 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,680 yeah, that's that's amazing. It was just it was a no brainer. 275 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,359 Yeah, get in there. Yeah. How long how long did it 276 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920 take you to get to a point where where you felt like, you know, 277 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,680 really because you talked about when you were starting and kind of learning on 278 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,279 the fly, you know, which is a is a really good way to 279 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:32,799 do it because obviously it works. How long did it take you to get 280 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:33,559 to a point where you felt like, Okay, I've really got this, 281 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,400 like I'm a I'm I'm a legitimate engineer and producer. And I think it 282 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,079 was like about the time I had gotten into that space maybe like you know, 283 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,960 uh, right around there, because it was having the space where I 284 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:49,839 knew how to get the sounds I wanted to do what I was able to 285 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,400 do. I was able to have much much more of a controlled environment because 286 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,160 I was kind of flying by the seat in my pants and most of the 287 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,759 places, you know, anyone I know it's seen, any of the places 288 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,480 I was before be like yeah, these places were these were whack eric Like 289 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:08,079 you know, I wasn't dealing with like great sound isolation, and you know, 290 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,759 I didn't have like ISO rooms. I didn't have like well treated places 291 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,960 to mix. Yeah, So being able to have a good control room that 292 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:21,640 was that was spected out and designed to to mix in, having a live 293 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,880 room that I could work in and kind of just like learning how that space 294 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:30,240 worked. That that really got me to where I was at. And you 295 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,279 know, learning this by yourself is a hard thing to do because you always 296 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,839 have there's always the sense of like imposter syndrome where you're like am I doing? 297 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,519 Am I good at this? Ye? Like through that the whole way 298 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,799 and then but like at a certain point it takes a long time. You 299 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,880 just the silence that you got to be like listen, I'm working with people, 300 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:49,880 they're coming back, you know, we're doing records time and time again. 301 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,960 The business is going good, Like yeah, you know, what you're 302 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,039 doing. Yeah, that's interesting what you said about doing it by yourself, 303 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,240 because it sounds like, you know, because a lot of people who I 304 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,480 talk to who do what if you do, they had kind of a mentor 305 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,279 who helped them and kind of taught them. But it sounds like you didn't 306 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,720 have that necessarily. I wouldn't necessarily say that I didn't have any mentors. 307 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,039 I would say that I definitely did have some people who were like decent resources. 308 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,039 Biggest one my good friend Derek Blackburn, who runs a mixing a mastering 309 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,759 studio out of Bedford, mass From the time I was like from the Morgan 310 00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,920 Storage times, I was like, I kind of found him on Instagram. 311 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,759 He was a mastering engineer and I was like, cool, you know, 312 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,640 I'm gonna follow these people, and we would always have dialogue and I remember 313 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,920 like he was always a great resource for me. I remember when I first 314 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,720 did like the first, like one of the first mag guitar demos back in 315 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,759 like twenty fifteen. I had sent him a track to master and like, 316 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,400 I didn't know what I was doing then, and I was like it was 317 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,279 very loud, and he instead of you know, coming to me and being 318 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,799 like, hey, idiot, turn it down, Like he explained to me, 319 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,960 why, Like here, this is too loud. Here's what you should 320 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,920 do, you know, blah blah blah. And and he was always super 321 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,880 helpful, so I could always go to him with any if I ever had 322 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,440 a question. Hey Derek, I'm running into this problem. What can you 323 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,960 give me some advice? Yeah? And I love that because you know, 324 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,200 he was just so humble, had no problem giving me any sort of information 325 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,680 that I needed. And you know, we still we have a working relationship 326 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,279 to this day. I send a lot of people his way from Mastering. 327 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,880 We just worked on a really great record together by this band, Crippling Alcoholism, 328 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,079 and it's a fantastic record. And you never know what those relationships are 329 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,960 going to turn into eight years, ten years down the line. You have 330 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,640 no idea how that's gonna it's gonna work. And I'm really lucky to have 331 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,799 someone like that. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Oh that's cool, 332 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,319 that's cool. What is uh? Is there a particular project that you've 333 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:55,160 recorded there that was especially challenging or just really unique and kind of outside of 334 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,920 your comfort zone? Is there anybody like that? I wouldn't say that there's 335 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,519 much outside of my comfort zone. There's definitely projects that like, you know, 336 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,880 really put me to the test in regards to like, you know, 337 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,599 to how far am i'd like, how far can I take my skills? 338 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,839 And actually the project I just mentioned this band, Crippling Alcoholism out of Boston, 339 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:18,200 we did a record together. They're very, uh, it's very avant 340 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:23,039 garde, kind of like poppy dark music kind of in their vocalist is kind 341 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:27,279 of in the vein of like Peter Steele, very like yeah Low. They 342 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:33,000 sound a lot like like Swans or like you know, early like you know, 343 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,559 like new wave, kind of like dark gothic stuff. And they also 344 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,160 mix like these interesting elements of like kind of like off to off metered. 345 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:47,880 Like they call it like math rock, or we call it mathcore. So 346 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,559 this record was really really unbelievable. They uh, it's it's about an hour 347 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,880 long, and there's all these ridiculous elements in it. There's probably, I 348 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,119 want to say, there's in each song there's probably like three or four guitar 349 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,799 parts, individual guitar parts on top of like a few layers of guitar synthesizer 350 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,119 with keyboard synthesizer and all these other ambient elements. So I think by the 351 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,079 end of the the session when we started to mix, we were looking at 352 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,759 like probably two hundred and fifty individual tracks. Oh my god, yes, 353 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,400 uh you know it was it was not like individual songs, but just like 354 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,279 tracks. Yeah, we're mixing, and that is like, yeah, it's 355 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:36,359 doing that. It was almost like like like mixing in like an orchestral piece 356 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,880 or mixing like a score. Yeah, so that was really cool. We're 357 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,240 and the what helped out is they had a really great idea as to what 358 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,960 they were going for for the vibe and what the end product was. Yeah. 359 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:55,599 The the vocalist and I want to say main songwriter, Tony you know 360 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,720 from the from he came in with full pre produced tracks like here, we 361 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,359 have the sound down, we know what we want to do, and uh 362 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,039 yeah, mixing stuff like that is uh. I had done a couple of 363 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,640 projects like that before, and the first time it was like, man, 364 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,160 that was tough. But once you do a couple of those, you kind 365 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,200 of get in the method of here, you know, I know how to 366 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,759 approach this. I'm not gonna get overwhelmed by this ridiculous track count. Yeah, 367 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,559 because I did like a post rock band like that. One time web 368 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,480 they were like importing like I think it was like thirty to the twenty five 369 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,799 to thirty synthesizer tracks per song. Yeah, and I remember that was the 370 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:33,759 first time I'd ever done that, and I was like, oh my god, 371 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,839 this is wild. But after you do stuff like that, it becomes 372 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,279 very very easy, you know how to manage it. Yeah, and it 373 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,440 makes the stuff like the other stuff, like the more simple stuff just like 374 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,559 that much easier. Like wow, yeah, this is we're just doing dealing 375 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:49,960 with like guitar, drums and bass, right, I know how to mix 376 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,880 this right right right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because I I have 377 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,839 a little bit of recording experience and just just hearing about that all those tracks, 378 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,240 it makes me feel just just the idea of it, you know, 379 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,960 it's like, oh my god. Wow. Have you ever been in a 380 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,759 position where you've had to kind of say to somebody, I think you're doing 381 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,559 too much, Not because you don't want to do it, because you're obviously 382 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,640 up for the challenge, but just do you ever as a producer, do 383 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,920 you ever have to say to somebody, I think, you know, sometimes 384 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,480 less is more and you're trying to put it more into this than you need 385 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:25,160 to. It really depends. I am a I'm a big fan of excess. 386 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,119 I love adding a bunch of elements. Yeah, and if people are 387 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,000 down to do that, then like, let's go for it. I'm going 388 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,319 to try and and figure out how we can make the space and the mix 389 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:41,279 for this. You know, if it's something that's like obviously jumbling up the 390 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,839 song where like we're getting too many elements, like this piano part sounds disjointed 391 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,440 in this rock song, like what are we doing here? It's like off? 392 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,200 Then there's like there's things where I'll be like, I don't know if 393 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,279 this fits really well. But you know, I'm always willing to entertain the 394 00:30:53,319 --> 00:31:00,279 idea of excess because I think that that's what helps in like producing it and 395 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,640 making something interesting. Like I want people to add in elements. I want 396 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,920 to foster that creativity and that that desire to add more, right, because 397 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,839 the worst thing is we try it out and it doesn't work. You know, 398 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Hey this this sounds bad, let's not use this right, or hey 399 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,400 this the synthesizer part sounds great, let's get let's keep it in here. 400 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:26,000 Yeah, I think that is what helps make songs, uh progress and have 401 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,359 movement and uh and be uh be like very very accessible to people. Yeah, 402 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:37,400 yeah, yeah. Interesting. I I'm always asking people about their influences, 403 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,519 but usually it's uh, I'm asking about musical influences, which which I'm 404 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,680 happy to ask you about too, But I'm also very curious about a producer 405 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:51,440 influences. Is there is there anybody who is really who you kind of look 406 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,960 to as I mean, obviously you know you've made connections like with the Afriata's 407 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,720 name now from Bedford, mass Derek Derek Blackburn, so he's Derek Blackburn. 408 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,920 So he's obviously an influence of yours. But are are there any producers kind 409 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960 of legends in the business who you really look up to or take inspiration from. 410 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,000 I'm gonna go, I mean my initial one, one of my first 411 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,880 ones was was definitely Steve Albini. I love his approach to getting sounds in 412 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:22,559 his studio. His studio is just very interesting and like astonishing. It's it's 413 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,400 seriously a wonder in regards to like recording studios, electrical audio. It's it's 414 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,759 so cool. It's just such a legendary place. And what his approach to 415 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:37,039 his approach to recording is a little bit more hands off than I like to 416 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,599 be. But because his his approach is, Hey, you come in here, 417 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,839 we're gonna record your music. I'm not gonna do anything to you know, 418 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,000 I'm gonna mix it. I'm gonna make it sound as good as possible. 419 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:50,200 I like to be a little bit more involved. But I just I 420 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:54,319 love his approach and like how like well thought out his approach is to tracking 421 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,960 music. Yeah, in the sounds that he gets, so he was. 422 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,759 He was a big one for me for sure. I find that like a 423 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,000 lot of the music that I listened to like influences what I like to do 424 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,799 or like like how I like to get sounds as well. So, uh, 425 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,720 you know, I like to find influence in the in the music as 426 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,039 well. Yeah, yeah, well, so let's talk about musical influences. 427 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:22,000 Who who does influence you? Oh jeezuz my musical background. I mean there's 428 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:27,000 like, there's so much. I definitely kind of I have a pretty eclectic 429 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,920 taste of music. My and I I gotta, you know, give some 430 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:37,079 credit to my parents. My parents. My dad grew up in Long Island 431 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,880 in the in like the sixties, and he had seen like a lot of 432 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,519 rock concerts. He went to the place called the Film Moore East seeing like, 433 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,319 you know, all the all the classic rock bands, Zeppelin, you 434 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,119 know, Hendrix, the Who, they were all playing there. All the 435 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720 playbills you should see that he has. You would you would die. They're 436 00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:58,839 they're unbelievable. What a great place to grow up in the sixties. Yes, 437 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,160 good for him. It taught me about like taking his h his four 438 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,799 horse power boat out to Manhattan and just like going to see these shows. 439 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,719 So I definitely had that sort of background there. And my dad was also 440 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,199 like really uh really into new music as well. He was always listening to 441 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,119 stuff that was fresh, like you and I remember when I was h when 442 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,800 I was younger, he would like throw on like the Offspring ye so and 443 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,360 stuff like that. So like he always like he kept this music taste evolving. 444 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,320 Yeah, so that's like the rock portion of things. Like I would 445 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,199 blame him from getting me into like rock and metal. My mom definitely, 446 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,519 uh is the reason why I love pop music. She was you know in 447 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:43,159 the nineties. Car rides with her were like a lot of you know, 448 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,000 nineties catalog Madonna share things like you know, I remember like hearing a lot 449 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:51,760 of like Alana's more set. Yeah, uh, there was a there was 450 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,679 a sting solo album that was like pretty pretty big their Car. So like 451 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,599 she she gave me the love for pop music and you know, the those 452 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,079 hooks, those those songs that kind of rely on that that songwriting and then 453 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,400 making hits. Yeah, So I've always kind of drifted between those realms. 454 00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,719 Yeah, never really trying to get myself all stuck in one in one thing 455 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,880 that I'm listening to all the time. So I would say, yeah, 456 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,960 I listened to like an eclectic mix of like you know, pop rock, 457 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,960 metal stuff, electronica, lots of things. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting 458 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,079 to what you said about your dad because Jenny probably already knows where I'm going 459 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:34,480 with this. But my father, he lives on the Sea Coast and he's 460 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,639 in his seventies and he still listens to new music, and it's just it's 461 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:42,719 it's really cool because like he listens to w U n H, which is 462 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,519 which is such a great station on the Sea Coast. And it's just interesting 463 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:51,320 because it's been a topic on the show on many occasions. How so many 464 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,840 people they get to a certain point. I don't I don't know what the 465 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,719 average cutoff is, maybe thirty, maybe maybe younger. I think it's like 466 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,039 twenty five. Yeah, yeah, where they just stop, where they just 467 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:05,599 kind of decide, not consciously but subconsciously, they just kind of decide, 468 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,119 Okay, I've I've heard all the music I ever want to hear, and 469 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,719 anything after this point, I don't like, you're just like Leonard Skinner. 470 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:15,800 Yeah yeah, and like you live and die by that. But it's uh, 471 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,599 which is fine, But you know, there's so much out there. 472 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,119 There's so much to discover. I feel like I'm discovering new bands all the 473 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,079 time. Yeah, and uh, well that's the thing. There's more music 474 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,440 than ever, and it's easier to find than ever. So there's no reason 475 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,800 for anybody to be getting stuck. But people just do yeah, you know, 476 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,480 which is totally fine. You know, if you have if you have 477 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,920 bands you love and you yeah, and you have a genre music you like, 478 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:40,119 go ahead. There's so but you know, there is so much to 479 00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,000 discover. There's so and as as someone who's recording music, I want to 480 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,039 be able to to appeal to, uh, what someone wants to produce. 481 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,719 I want to be able to be well rounded I don't want someone to come 482 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,760 in and be like, hey, I have this this, this hip hop 483 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,559 track, and I'm just like, well, I don't know any of that, 484 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,480 right, right, Yeah. I like to keep up with that, 485 00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:05,280 with the the individual sorts of culture that are surrounded in each genre of music, 486 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,119 and like what's relevant there? Yeah, but you know what's relevant and 487 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,079 pop what's relevant? And hip hop these days, what's relevant and like, 488 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,920 you know, heavy metal, what are we doing? Yeah? Yeah, 489 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960 because so many people from all sorts of different walks of music come to me, 490 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,360 yeah, and it's I want to be accessible to all of that. 491 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,360 Yeah. Yeah. Do people typically bring you demos or I mean, or 492 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,119 do you have artists who come to you to record and they're just they're they're 493 00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,719 sort of just coming in cold and that they don't have anything recorded, but 494 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,239 they know what they want to do. Obviously they know their songs, but 495 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:43,800 but they're not they're not necessarily providing anything for you prior to that, so 496 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,400 you're just kind of starting from scratch. Does that ever happen? It's like 497 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,159 it's fifty to fifty. Yeah, a lot of people come in with with 498 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,000 pre produced tracks. Yeah, these days, it's it's really easy thing to 499 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:59,280 do. Everyone has access to an interface. Everyone's got access to like at 500 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,639 least a couple of microphones or even the ability to plug into an interface and 501 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,079 use like amp simulators they have for doing that sort of stuff. So yeah, 502 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,199 a lot of times I get the people who come in with like, 503 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,880 you know, fully produced, like kind of like demos or like pre product. 504 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,719 I call it pre production, which is so important because it gives me 505 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:25,079 an idea of what they're looking to do for their sound. The aforementioned Crippling 506 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,880 Alcoholism band, they came in with individual tracks for like drums, guitars, 507 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,599 and vocals during the pre production process, and so I had a full on 508 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,360 idea as to what they were going for, what the progressions were going to 509 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,280 be in these songs, what we were doing like somewhat roughly in the vocals. 510 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,239 And that was great because we were able to to kind of like sit 511 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,039 down and be like, okay, let's look at the song. Okay, 512 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,039 maybe this is too long here, maybe this bridge goes on for too long. 513 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:59,239 Let's chop this up. It was also like a grid, so we 514 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,679 could just like it was so easy to do, so I would say that's 515 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,800 a huge thing for bands to do. It's really important to when you go 516 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,840 in to have an I like, at least somewhat of an idea, comprehensive 517 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,840 idea as to what you're going to lay down there. It's the most important 518 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,239 thing. It saves a lot of time. That's expensive. Yeah, exactly, 519 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,079 it's not cheap. And if you're and if you're sitting there like you 520 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,320 know, it's like you know, I always like, like I said, 521 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,400 you know, I love when we're sitting there trying out stuff and trying out 522 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,360 things, but it's it's better for their time if you try those things out 523 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,119 beforehand, you see what fits. So yeah, I I I could not 524 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:43,280 suggest more to bands to be doing that sort of stuff and trying to tackle 525 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,760 as much of the pre production process as possible. I do it every time 526 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,880 when I'm even me, you know, and I've I've have a studio at 527 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,400 my disposal where like I said, for the new Magnetar stuff, we're doing 528 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,360 pre production tracks. We're demoing things out, so that way I'm not spending 529 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,280 all the all of my time in in the studio trying out these vocal things 530 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,760 before i've you know, we go in. Yeah, I'm doing this stuff 531 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,280 now so I can figure out what we're gonna do, and then when we 532 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,079 go to record the record, I know exactly what we're doing, what the 533 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,639 harmonies are, all that stuff. Yeah, it's super helpful. Yeah, 534 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,960 yeah, absolutely. Now what's the process like as far as UH, bands 535 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,920 or solo artists or whomever approaching you, do they because obviously, I mean, 536 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,679 you don't just work with everybody, right because your time is limited. 537 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,480 You know, you can't just work. I mean, I'm sure there's there's 538 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,159 probably some people who maybe approach you who aren't ready, you know, and 539 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:36,880 you have to kind of tell them, well, I don't know if you're 540 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,840 ready to to record. I mean, is that something you run into you. 541 00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:43,239 Yeah, sometimes you can tell that with when when people come in if 542 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,440 like maybe they need to like coach their vocals a little bit more. I 543 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,840 do it a lot with like I see it a lot with like hip hop 544 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,199 stuff. You know, sometimes people will come in and you know, they 545 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,119 they might need some vocal coaching or something like that, or or need to 546 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,079 work on the on their rhythm. Uh. And you know, I'll be 547 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:00,840 honest with people. I'll tell them like, hey, this these are things 548 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,000 that you should probably work on before we come back in here and do that 549 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,840 and it can show up and like that's sort of what we're realm. Or 550 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,079 like maybe a like if a band's trying out apart and we're doing you know, 551 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,679 like the guitar player just wrote like a lead in this section or something 552 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,239 like that, and they're trying it out, we're not getting the right take 553 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,000 of it or something. I'll be like, hey, how about next week's 554 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:27,119 session, Well, can you rehearse this lead and then next week's session will 555 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,880 come in we'll do that. Uh. It's good to uh, it's good 556 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,119 to pump the brakes on things when you're like pushing, when you're running up 557 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,719 against the wall. Yeah, So that that can be very u very defeating 558 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,480 on the on the morale when you're you know, on take number twenty and 559 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,360 you're not like, there's nothing worse than that when you're when you're just trying 560 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,800 something out, trying something out, and it's just like you know, you're 561 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,840 just going at it and uh yeah, so I I I will like, 562 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,320 you know, tell advance, Hey, let's rehearse this, let's try it 563 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,719 next time. We'll get it in like three takes next time. Yeah, 564 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920 okay, yeah, so uh yeah, that definitely happens. Definitely happens because 565 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,400 you could just I mean and and some some people would you know, you 566 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,199 could just take their money and just and just go with it and not say 567 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,880 anything. But in the end, it doesn't help them to do it that 568 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,360 way, and it doesn't help you either, because you want anything with your 569 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,639 name on it that goes out there, you want it to be of quality 570 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,559 to exactly. I try to be as much of a buffer on that end 571 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,599 as possible. I've never I've heard so many stories of people go like, 572 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:27,840 you know, recording with people who are just like, yep, that's sounds 573 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,400 great. Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah great, take a lot of 574 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960 that out there. Yeah, and you never you never hear that stuff. 575 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,840 So when people say something doesn't sound right, I'm like, let's let's redo 576 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,119 it. Let's if it doesn't sound right to you, You're going to hear 577 00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:45,719 this forever. That Magnutar record, there's like a part where I you'd never 578 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,679 notice this, but there's like a part where I like hit a different note 579 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,360 than I wanted to, and I was like, you know what, this 580 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,039 is fine, it's in key, it's right, it should be you know, 581 00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:00,639 I'll just send it. I kind of like how it sounds a little 582 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,159 bit. Uh, And I hear that one note every time. Yeah, 583 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,639 like dang, yeah, should have just done that. Uh, should have 584 00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,239 just done that quick edit. You've got to live with it now. Yeah. 585 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,280 Yeah, Well like once you put it out, it's out there, 586 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:20,480 exactly, can't there's no going back right right exactly? Yeah. What's uh? 587 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,920 Is there a particular project that's been what's the longest project you've done, 588 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,559 the most involved as far as I I, I suspect it might be that 589 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,440 crippling alcoholism? Man, I'm working with the band. Uh. One of 590 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,880 the members is from here in. One of them, a couple of are 591 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,440 from Tucson. H called Through a Glass Darkly. It's uh, it's very 592 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,199 I feel like I've heard that name. I want to I want to call. 593 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,679 I think it's uh. I think it's in reference to like a book. 594 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,039 Oh, okay, that might be familiar. Yeah, I haven't. 595 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,280 I haven't read it, but I think that's it. Uh. They're they're 596 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:59,039 kind of they call it, uh zimmer Gaze, very very uh the theatrical, 597 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:00,719 not not theatrical, but it's like what do you call It's like almost 598 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,079 like a movie score. Yeah, very cinematic the word I was looking for. 599 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,440 Yeah, and that was uh. That was one that, like, 600 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,800 the mixing process was like very very Uh. That one took a while because 601 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,800 we were going, you know, we're going back and forth on unbounced out 602 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,679 mixes, and they were very particular in regards to what they There was no 603 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,119 nothing spared in regards to like any note. He even thinks as minors like, 604 00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,800 oh, move this base and the size or down just a hair like 605 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:31,960 and we've did like all these steps of that. Yeah, it sounds amazing. 606 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,280 We have a record that that is Uh. I think they're they haven't 607 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,760 talked about it yet, but I think they're they're planning on putting it out 608 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,360 on the next like year or two. It sounds amazing. It sounds unbelievable. 609 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,400 You could just like sit back and listen to this and just like it's 610 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,880 it's an unbelievable record. That one. That one was like about a year 611 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,039 year and a half. Wow. You know, I'm working right now. 612 00:44:54,039 --> 00:45:00,239 I just finished a record with a Boston based band called Coffin Salesman and yeah, 613 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:06,159 oh I love it. There main songwriters this this guy named Aria, 614 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:12,400 great great songwriter and uh, you know that that process was about a year 615 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,639 year and a half. You know, what we're doing is you know, 616 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,679 but I think they had like a UK tour, they were doing like a 617 00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,880 bunch of shows they were doing, but we were just kind of splitting the 618 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,400 production duties between myself and them. So they were doing like overdubs, like 619 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,239 piano overdubs at their practice spot, you know, adding in all this stuff, 620 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,519 which is a very common thing to do. Uh. You know a 621 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,760 lot of people have like decent recording setups at their house, so they will 622 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,159 they'll they'll get stuff recorded, send it out, I'll mix in the stems. 623 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,840 It saves them time in the studio they can kind of especially for like 624 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,079 overdub stuff, because that's where you spend a lot of time just like trying 625 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,599 things out and see what sticks and like throwing things and seeing what sticks on 626 00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:54,039 the wall. And it enabled them to kind of keep the budget a little 627 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,320 bit lower. Instead of spending like three days like doing this stuff, they 628 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,400 could do it on their own own time and uh and send it out. 629 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,119 So that was uh that one, uh yeah, about about year year and 630 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:10,400 a half. Yeah, which is pretty typical for a record I would say 631 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,679 a record can take depending on like you know, how complex it is, 632 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,280 anywhere between like four months to a year. Yeah, in the process depends 633 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,559 on like everyone's schedule because everyone's busy, you know, unless you're like a 634 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:28,079 full time touring band, being able to like dedicate the time to that is 635 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,480 like, uh, you know, you got you gotta carve it out. 636 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:35,280 Yeah. Is there a project that you're particularly is there one that you're I 637 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,760 know, I'm sure you don't want to play favorites with your clients, but 638 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,119 is there is there any one project that you're you're especially proud of where if 639 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,760 you were to listen to it today, you'd go, damn, I gotta 640 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,039 say, uh, you know, I've dropped them a bunch of times. 641 00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:51,239 But that uh, that The Crippling Alcoholism. It was like, uh, 642 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,239 what was uh fantastic record? I really want to hear that now. It's 643 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,519 great. I think it's called Is it out? Is it already available? 644 00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:01,960 Uh? With love from a padded room, Yeah, it's outright now. 645 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,760 It is oka. I'm gonna listen to that today. It's really weird now, 646 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:08,400 And I feel like it was because I was able to I was giving 647 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,800 a lot more freedom to be the producer role in that one. Yeah, 648 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:15,039 it was great. You know, I was able to make calls and like 649 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,079 here's how long, here's like how these structures of these songs should be. 650 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,400 Let's let's cut out like this stuff, Let's remove this part, let's add 651 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,599 this part. And they really trust me with that, and it feels good 652 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,719 when you're working with a band like that. Yeah, I think you'd like 653 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,679 it. It's it's it's very very earwormy. It's a very dark sounding record. 654 00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:37,719 It's some it is the story of I think it's like ten songs and 655 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,679 each song is about Ah. It's like a you're walking down a solitary confinement 656 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,880 and you look inside of one room and it's like a story about this person. 657 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,079 And it goes from all this stuff from like you know these really sinister 658 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,119 like murderers to like you know, some some guy who's like you know, 659 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:59,440 addicted to pills, who who's goes to like a boxing gym. It's like 660 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,639 it it's everything. Yeah, yeah, and uh there's all these wonderful lyrics 661 00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,639 and it's uh, very dark but catchy. Yeah, all right, Jenny 662 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:13,000 and I will listen to that today. Absolutely definitely, definitely, the time 663 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,440 goes so fast before we uh, because we're we're going to play another song 664 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:20,039 by the way too out at the end of the segment, and I'm gonna 665 00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:23,320 play uh, I'm gonna play a Magnetar track Loving You is killing me. 666 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,199 Okay, it's like seven minutes, but I don't care because I love it. 667 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,760 It's so good. So so we'll we'll play that in a in a 668 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,199 moment. But Eric, what should people know about getting in touch with you? 669 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,800 Keeping up on everything that you're doing. I'm sure we have. You 670 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,119 know, a lot of musicians listen to the show. I'm sure there's people 671 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:45,159 who want to work with you, either because they know of your work or 672 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,719 they're learning of you for the first time, or whatever it may be. 673 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,440 So how how should people reach out to you, submit music to you, 674 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,840 et cetera. The best way to do it is through my website blackheart andh 675 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,599 dot com. I have a whole contact form there and you can email me 676 00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:00,880 on there. Yeah, my emails on there, my phone numbers there, 677 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:06,599 text me call me like I'm I'm I'm usually available to answer. Yeah. 678 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,880 So I love I love talking with people about their music and like what they're 679 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,920 looking to do. So, you know, I can be Uh, I 680 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,920 can be reached out through there at any point. Excellent, excellent. Hey, 681 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,159 by the way, where does the name come from? Blackheart sound? 682 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,400 Is there any significance to the name or there No. I remember thinking of 683 00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,199 coming up with it one one day and I was like, I like, 684 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,239 how this sounds. Yeah, And that was probably around like twenty sixteen. 685 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,360 There's no there's no romantic story about the about the name on that one. 686 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,360 Yeah. I just liked it. It rolled off the tongue for me. 687 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,159 So yeah, I figured, hey, let's go for it. Oh, 688 00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,559 by the way, you're getting some love in the chat room. Casey Darren 689 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,719 just popped in and said love Eric. Yeah, we had Uh what was 690 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,320 that two weeks ago? Yeah? Yeah, two weeks ago Casey was here 691 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,800 played live for US Acoustic. It was really really good. Case is great. 692 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,320 Yeah. Yeah, oh that's right. You did the afterimage stuff, 693 00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:00,320 right, I know? Or did you? Brandon Brandon curstio, Uh, 694 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,199 the engineers all their stuff. They did, They did some they recorded some 695 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,239 stuff out of my studio. Oh okay, Brandon Kurtchie is a good friend 696 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,800 of mine. Okay, Well he'll come in for some sessions and he'll rent 697 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,000 the studio for me some Oh I gotcha, okay, okay, So that 698 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,480 Brandon actually did a lot of work on the on that the that Dank Snatra 699 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,559 record. Yeah, oh he did. I would say, yeah, he 700 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,199 did a big portion of the tracking and mixing on that one. Oh okay, 701 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,639 that's that's great too. I love that there's a particular Dank Sinatra song 702 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,920 said air between Us. Was that recorded there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 703 00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:36,519 yeah, yeah, because I remember Fredo, he's one of the guests 704 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,119 who has mentioned your name. Like I said, it's it's great to finally 705 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,519 have you on because your name comes up quite a bit here, which is 706 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,199 wonderful, and we have con to it coming in the in the third hour 707 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,239 and they recorded with you, and so uh yeah, really they're they're great 708 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,800 that. I can't wait to get the get those tracks out. I mean 709 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,320 I think we worked on those a little while ago. So yeah, yeah, 710 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,039 here's da Yeah. They they sent us a bunch of stuff and uh 711 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,800 I had to make some radio edits. Yeh. Didn't have to do that 712 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,719 with Magnetar though. No, I mean, there's so much you can't even 713 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,920 tell. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what he's saying here, but 714 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,360 whatever it is, he definitely means it. Eric Sotter, thank you so 715 00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:15,800 much, my friend. This has been wonderful. Well, we'll definitely have 716 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,239 to do this again in the future. And Uh sick around second hour We've 717 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,559 got Warhog coming up, but we're going to finish off this hour with Uh. 718 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,840 Like I said, this is and I like this whole album. It's 719 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,119 a crush from the band Magnetar, but this is my personal favorite, so 720 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,239 selfishly, we're gonna end with this one. Oh I was wrong. It's 721 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,079 actually it's eight and a half minutes. This is a long song, but 722 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,119 I don't care because I love it, so we're gonna play it. This 723 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,800 is loving you was killing me from Magnetar. Eric, thank you again, 724 00:51:45,000 --> 00:53:07,840 Thank you. I know my dad that nas n Dogs runs down, so 725 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:22,239 don't tell y'all do not when they're not no dial Dogs, Dia back, 726 00:53:22,480 --> 00:54:53,360 God Walk There Rock Crown us as a complicated system of behavior which is partially 727 00:54:53,480 --> 00:55:02,519 dictated by society and partially dictated by the expectations or the mocious. Uh wasn't 728 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:08,199 as nurse as once, so h oh, this is nothing because of your 729 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:14,079 personality displight up the fact that the people because shoe every kind, that just 730 00:55:14,199 --> 00:56:00,440 an quite the uther, uh, quite the waters. Yet it is Norsetens, 731 00:56:08,079 --> 00:58:53,920 whatsome sounds who bade bye bye bride side sadd sad song w