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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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Hello Dan Rayfield. Much to discuss,

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including fight cards filling out in Saudi
Arabia. By the way, we also

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have Ryan Garcia and Oscar de la
Hoya not on the same page. What

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day is it shocking? What year
is it? We've got a lot to

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go over. Nostalgia question for you, Yes, my friend, go ahead,

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you always ask me the questions.
Is is a tiff between Ryan Garcia

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and Oscar del Loyd does even qualify
as news? That's not news, okay,

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but it is entertaining when Oscar puts
out who the next fight is going

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to be and Ryan Garcia puts out
that ain't happening, So we got to

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talk about that later on. We'll
get to it. It's all for our

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up with us twice. It seems
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previewing and recapping and seem to enjoy. You know what, We're still here

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special. It's a special week because
we have if they don't want to hear

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all the stuff around it, we
have the Mikaela Mayer interview from a few

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days ago that says its own standalone
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have gotten an alert. That's correct, they would have already known about this.

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And plus I'd much rather listen to
her than listen to you anyway,

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So I may go back and listen
to that. But in any event,

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good stuff. Michaela ready to go
with Natasha Jonas and why don't you know

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what? Excellent segue, intentional or
not, Let's go right there. It

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is the upcoming IBF Welterweight championship fight
that you and she were previewing. Michaela

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moving up in weight. This is
the boxer card. It will be on

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here on ESPN Plus in the US, Sky Sports in the UK. Find

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your own outlet if you're elsewhere listening
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All right, your thoughts here.
As again, MICHAELA sounded confident and

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listening to that interview, I like
the fact that she said that, in

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all honesty, she would lie a
lot of the time that she was not

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doing well actually on trying to cut
weight, make weight, and she would

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lie and say I feel great,
I'm ready to go. Now she actually

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means it. I'm paraphrasing her.
That's what she told you on the podcast.

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All right, so your thoughts and
she gets ready to fight Natasha Jones

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if she's being truthful this time,
but I'll give her the benefit of the

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doubt. So she spent most of
her career virtuale overcr as an amateur and

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as a professional, fighting about one
hundred and thirty pounds. She was a

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unified champion at one hundred thirty pounds. Obviously, she lost that delta in

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a unification somewhat controversially to Alicia Bomgarner
by a one point split decision, and

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subsequent to that, after another fight, Bombgarner had a positive drug test,

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So it certainly throws into question whether
or not she was Quan for the fight

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against Mayor. But nonetheless, Mikaela
did come back after that fight. She

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want to fight moving up to lightweight. You know, cruised to a pretty

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handy, easy decision back in April
of last year. She then went up

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to one hundred and forty contract weight
of one hundred and forty two pounds later

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in the year. This past September, she won another fight very handily,

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and ringside for that fight that was
a shoutout of that one was Natasha Jonas.

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That was the fight that was the
opportunity for As I talked about whether

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she was I asked her about moving
up and weight, you know, was

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it a matter of I can't make
the one hundred and thirty pound is it

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I just want to go up?
Is it because there's where the opportunities were,

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and the money and all that.
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was not surprised here, it's a
combination of those those two things. I

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don't think she necessarily thought she would
be fighting for a Walter Way tighter right

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off the bat, but that was
the opportunity that presented itself, and it's

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a good matchup and it's obviously a
good payday and it's a main event,

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and you know, these are similarly
sized women, even though Mikhaela is moving

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to the heavier weight division and Natasha
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She actually had come down where she
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junior middleweight, but by and large, Jonas's career was spent in the junior

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lightweight and lightweight divisions. A matter
of fact, Michaela is also a bit

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taller than her, which I saw
when it was listed on the stat sheet,

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and then when you take a look
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the out of the news conference that
took place on Thursday, clearly Michaela is

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the taller woman. It's got a
longer reach. And look, these are

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two decorated female boxers in terms of
their amateur career, both our Olympians.

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They have had good professional careers with
lots of world title experience and fought you

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know, pretty much the best women
around and in their weight classes. And

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I love the fact that, you
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Michaela is fearless about going overseas.
She's now fighting. This will be

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her fourth consecutive fight in the UK. I reminded her in the interview,

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or pointed out to her anyway,
that while it's her fourth fight in a

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row in England, it's the first
time she's fighting another brit in England.

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The other women that she faced,
one was an American and Bomb Garner.

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Another woman was from Sweden. I
think another one was from Spain or Italy

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or something like that. But I
often like to say an important distinction by

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Dan Rayfield that she's actually fighting a
British fighter who will presumably have a lot

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of centiment behind her no matter what
she does. Yes, absolutely, and

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she's fighting is not just fighting her
in England another bridge, She's fighting a

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hometown fight in terms of going to
Natasha Jonas's hometown of Liverpool, where she's

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a hero. She's a beloved figure
in the UK. She is royalty,

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you know, not actual royalty,
but close enough. I mean, she

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is a beloved figure. And you
know, obviously Michael has made some fans

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over in the in the in the
UK over the last several fights, but

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I don't think there's a lot of
people in that arena in Natasha Jonas' hometown

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rooting for her. So you know, that's that's that's the backdrop to it.

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And in terms of what will happen
in the fight, Look, you

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have two women who are excellent technical
boxers. Natasha Jonas she does have some

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knockouts, you know, nine knockouts
in her fourteen victories, but she's also

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been stopped in one of her two
losses. So I've never I've seen a

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lot of her fights actually through the
years, and while she has scored some

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knockouts, I've never viewed her as
like this big knockout puncher. She did

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go the distance against Katie Taylor a
couple of years ago in a lightweight title

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challenge and she lost a competitive decision, so she can hang with the best

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of them. Her draw is against
Kerry Harper, who's been a world champion,

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also another good fighter. And you
know, Michaela's only loss was the

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one point split decision to Bomb Gardner, So they've been these are two women

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that have fought, you know,
quality fighters. You know, one of

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the best women's fights I've seen,
and I was actually ringside for that one,

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was when Mikaela unified titles at one
thirty against Hamaduscha in Las Vegas.

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That was the night before a big
Canelo Alvarez fight. So these are experience

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championship challenge you know, women that
have challenged, that have been in world

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title fights, that have won world
titles, you know, and and and

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women's boxing. You know, the
best fight the best on a regular basis

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is not like a once in a
while thing like we see sometimes with the

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men. Uh, they don't mess
around like their promoters and the athletes.

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They're able to make the deals.
Uh, they get their biggest money and

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they talk about this coming up with
the Saudi Arabia stuff. You go where

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the money is, and the best
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fighters, those fights are where the
money is. So bravo on this.

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I don't know, you know one
thing about the fight. Well, it's

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a classy matchup, and it's I'm
glad they're doing the match obviously, and

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they're both very likable fighters. I
just don't expect it to be like action

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packed. This is more kind of
the fight where you have to probably have

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the appreciation for the sweet science.
I think it's going to be a lot

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more uh boxing than than than brawling, let's say. I mean that's just

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sort of the styles of these two
women, you know what they bring when

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they have their fights. But it's
a worthy fight, I'll put it to

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you like that. And for MICHAELA
it's a huge opportunity to win a title

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in the second way class. Now
you are working the segway earlier in the

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show, I'm going to segue right
here. You'll hear us handicap it more

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on the bet Us Show one Eastern
Time Friday on what will happen in this

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scheduled ten rounder. Again, you
make a great point that if Jonas is

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in her hometown, whatever she does, there're gonna be roars from the crowd.

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How will it affect the judging,
et cetera if the fight does go

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the distance, and it probably will, so we'll handicap all of that on

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bet Us, their platforms, their
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forward to that and again remind everybody
about fight time because it's afternoon US time,

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primetime in the UK, so they're
showing a bunch of preliminary fights on

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the ESPN Plus card, but the
stream starts at two o'clock Eastern Obviously in

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sky Sports in the UK it'll be
in the evening time, So the main

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event probably won't come into the ring
till around five o'clockish, you know,

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Eastern time in the United States anyway, something like that. All right,

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So we look forward to that fight
card that is coming up. Again,

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we got a lot. Let's that's
all we got this weekend. Really,

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that's well, all right? Now, I should say that we will have

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a Japanese championship fight doubleheader including Taraji
defending his what unified junior flyweight titles.

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That's actually on Tuesday, what say
you? And I preview that a little

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more coming off the weekend because that's
not until Tuesday US time, Tuesday morning

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US time, so we got some
time for that. But yes, that's

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pretty much it for this weekend in
terms of significance on Saturday, all right.

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So we've got news all over the
place, We've got nostalgia, but

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we've also got John Ryder here.
You had the opportunity to speak with him

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earlier this week. Coming up,
he ventures to Phoenix, Arizona to fight

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Haimi Mungia. This is the Golden
Boy to his own main event on January

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twenty seventh, and so you spoke
with him this week in advance the fight.

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Let's go to that conversation right now
on the preview pot. What's my

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pleasure to bring into the podcast today
my old pal John Ryder, John super

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middleweight contender for a long time.
He got an important fight coming up January

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twenty seventh the Footprint Center in Phoenix, Arizona, taking on the undefeated Haimimongia

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in a fight frankly I think can't
miss for fans. Frankly, just in

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terms of the action that you two
guys bring to the ring. How you

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doing it? How much excitement do
you have for this level of a fight.

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It buzn't to be it, Dan, Thanks having me on. It's

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great to be here and involved in
another big fight against an undefeated opponent in

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parlon Gia, and something for me
is to show redemption. I had the

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fight with last year. I think
that planned, so it's great to start

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when it's twenty four with a bang
against another big name. Well, you

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just mentioned that it's an undefeated.
You know, himI is an undefeated opponent.

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He hasn't lost anybody's hat some close
calls, I guess, including his

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last fight against Sergei devin Schenko.
How do you prepare yourself mentally or However,

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you go about getting ready for fight, thinking about taking an undefeated record,

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how do you go about that.
I don't really train any different.

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We just we'll train one way.
We trained hard. Obviously, Harvey's had

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a change of camp lately, and
it's Freddie Roach, so we're expecting new

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things from paying Short for sure.
But so we trained diligently. We need

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tournament camp and nothing changes. We
trained hard and we're prepare for the hardest

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battle possible. So in his last
fight that took place in June, as

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I mentioned, he fought Sergi devn
Schenko. A lot of people picked that

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as the twenty twenty three fight of
the year. I made it number two

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on my list. I mean,
it was a really outstanding, you know,

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all action, very exciting fight.
He's it was a close decision that

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Haimi won. He came real,
real close to losing that fight. It

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was a really tough fight for him. He took a lot of punishment,

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as did Sergei in that fight.
He's coming back to fight John Ryder,

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who's never made it easy for his
opponents, even in fights that you have

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lost. I mean, do you
think that maybe you're getting him at the

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right time coming off that kind of
battle potentially is a round level fire tough

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man. And yeah, i'm him
and get pooled out the bag in the

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last round, but I dropped him
and in his favor, So he's got

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that in the locker. He's dangerous
through that. So you got give him

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the tough respect. But like I
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a toss four rounds here, I'm
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well, as you mentioned, you're
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You're coming off of a defeat in
another fight that was very tough, hard

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fight in your world championship opportunity against
the undisputed champion, Canelo Alvarez. He

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knocked you down. You were bloody
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big heart. I wonder how in
the world did you get through that fight,

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because it looked to me like there
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it in, I don't think anybody
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because that's how tough of a fight
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Yeah, my nose broke in the
second round. Don't sorry for myself for

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a few rounds after that, and
then I just got dropped and bit don

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come out swinging. I took a
ton of credit from that fire. Like

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you say you you can go to
certain places and people give their credits so

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to getting up and carrying on and
he goes to these places. You don't

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carry on this then talking about you
back? Would you prefer? What do

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you want from this? And send? I don't want too many hard fars

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like that. I don't want to
be set sat there my lady is thinking

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about these hard farts I had and
reaping the benefit of the not the benefits,

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the reaping the harm they've done.
So no less dabmish the best.

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But it's great to put all the
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to still the same gets time the
gear up. You know, do you

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think that because you know, even
though you lost the fight, because you

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put in such a tremendous effort,
so such heart made it such a great

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fight that even with the defeat,
it kept you viable for a high profile

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fight like this one, because if
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show the kind of heart you did
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the fans and everybody watching, that
maybe they overlooked rider and you don't get

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picked for this particular assignment. Yeah, for sure. I think the saying

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it was I didn't win the fight, but I won the night. Yeah,

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I won a ton of fans,
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board off don't fight, and that's
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there was a hundred spirits event.
Now, you went into that fight against

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Canelo, you had won four fights
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going you know, before that streak
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a really including by the way in
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against Danny Jacobs, but the loss
in twenty nineteen was a super close fight

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where a lot of people thought you
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That does that one sort of still
eat away at you at all,

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get you bothered because that was a
lot of people thought that was really not

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a great call. Yeah, it's
a bit of b I think I'm over

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it now. Can't hang on that
one for too long. But it's Aulimately

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I've got the shot at the man
in Canelo, So that's what I was

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doing it for. I probably would
have gone come away from the kind of

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fight a lot more financially set having
gone in there as world champion. But

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certain regardless, I've got in there
against the best. I've pitched myself gets

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the best, and I didn't win, but I still throw a tow away

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winner. Now you have one over
the course of your career, two interim

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titles, if I'm not mistaken,
in the super middleweight division. But I

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have to believe that any boxer that's
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to win a major world title.
Do you still harbor those dreams of winning

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a major championship? I know this
fight with Heimi is not a world title

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fight, you know, although it
might as well be for a lot of

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people, but it's not. But
does that still one of the goals that

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you have before you call it a
day? Yeah, I mean that's still

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the dream that still keeps the fire
burning. Obviously, we know all the

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titles are tied up now with and
whatnot, but just got hope that in

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the in the coming months putting those
in good positions, and who knows what

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a lack of the titles some make
like men that we can get shut vacant.

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You know, I mentioned before Callum
Smith, I wondered he had just

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had his fight where he got the
opportunity at light heavyweight to fight for the

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Unified championship against Arthur Better BF,
and you know, he really got taken

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apart. I wonder if you saw
that matchup in what you thought about your

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old your old foe, you know, getting it handed to him in that

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match. Yeah. I watched it, and I thought Simon was right for

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Callum. I thought he could come
to it well champion. But BET's bev

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was he was sensational that night,
and he doesn't like he jumped off the

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pace at all. I was worried
and concerned where it had the injury and

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respond to the fight. But listen, I think he showed that he's still

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got it. So as you go
into your fight with Himie, like I

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said earlier in the in the in
the conversation, you know, you like

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to come forward, and you've never
been afraid to mix it up with your

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opponents. Gia obviously has never been
a problem with him mixing up with his

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opponents. I look at the matchup
when this was announced and I thought to

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myself, I mean, I just
see no way this is not going to

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be a fan friendly kind of fight. Do you have that sort of the

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same opinion you You know what you're
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I think I know We've prepared.
Like I said, we're in force,

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So I think the fans are in
for a treat. And yeah, sent

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you down the candidate. I think
you might be right about that. Well,

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you are thirty five, and this
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You've had the opportunity against Canelo and
the biggest fight you could have in your

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career in that weight class. And
I just wonder how much how much longer

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do you see yourself going on or
do you just sort of at this point

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take it fight by fight? Yeah, fight by fight. There's no there's

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no real long long term plan.
I mean, I'm enjoying boxing at the

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moment, and at the moment,
I still feel like I'm getting more from

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boxing than boxing to get from me. So as long as that continues,

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and I'll be in these in around
these shows. But as soon as I

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feel like boxing, sakee a month
mid and I'll obviously down my team and

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we're cool today, so then I'll
wrap up with this. When you go

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into the ring against Monkey on January
twenty seventh, do you have a sort

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of a thought in your mind of
how you think the fight unfolds, how

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you think it goes, and we
know there's gonna be a lot of contact,

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but beyond that aspect of the fight, yeah, No, I see

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myself in my hand getting raised if
it comes from a stoppage or a point

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to me. And I think that
the judges will be will be fair here

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and I think we we saw that
in the Derek Trinco fight and it was

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a close fight, but I think
we saw and we agreed that the last

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round won it for high and so
I've got faith in the judges. But

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regardless of I'll week happ and do
what I've got due to get the win.

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Well, I would say, whatever
is going to happen the night of

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that fight, I think the fans, like you said, are going to

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be in for a treat. Should
be a great matchup. I wish you

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the best of luck, John,
You've always been a stand up guy.

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I appreciate your time and I wish
you the best of luck. Thanks Dan,

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you bet John? All right,
So good stuff. It's obviously a

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challenge for Rider now bigger though than
fighting Canelo in Guadalajara, so he faced

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that you talk to him about obviously, well, what this will be coming

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out of fight Mongilla, what are
your thoughts having talked to him in that

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conversation. I think that we'll see
a John Ryder that we always see that

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winner Lowise. He's gonna give his
best effort. It's going to make a

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good fight. And we already know
the kind of fighter that Mongia is.

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He makes great fights. Even if
he's in with easy guys, hard guys,

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whatever, He's always in an action
fight. Saw him in a fight

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of the year contendered what I picked
number two last year against Devyn Schenko.

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Certainly the Canelo fight against Ryder,
it may not have been the fight of

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the year, but it was entertaining, and one of the reasons for that

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was because the big heart that John
showed. So he knows he's in for

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a tough fight. And you know, as we discussed, he knows that

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because even though he got basically shut
out essentially by Canelo Alveras, but because

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he gave such a great effort and
made it such a good fight. When

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fighters do that, even when they
lose, it keeps them viable for these

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types of main event, you know, bigger money kind of fights. So

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even though he lost, it's a
kind of loss that you can overcome.

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Some fighters they don't realize that they
think their career is over. John Ryder

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lost again. He's lost this.
He's got six losses, but he's never

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cheated anybody out their out of their
time or money. So, you know,

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good for him. I think we'll
see a good fight. All right.

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We're looking forward to that Golden Boy
to his own main event for next

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weekend, the twenty seventh, that's
the headlining fight. They're from Phoenix,

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Downtown Phoenix. Plenty of news that
we always love to go over. So

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they had to kickoff press conference in
London this past Monday for Anthony, Joshua

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Francis and Ganu. Give me your
impressions. This is now going to be

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a reality in March, and they
met with the media. So tell me

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more about what you saw, please. I saw two very very big men.

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That's the thing that jumps out at
you. Joshua was actually bigger.

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Ni Ganhu was like wider, I
think, but Joshua was taller. And

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and it's just two very intimidating looking
fighters when they stand across from each other.

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But look, they both know what's
that stake here. I think we

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know, not just Tyson Fury,
but the whole boxing community, the fans

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of the sport. Nobody knew what
to expect from Nagano when he fought Fury.

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Most people thought it was a joke
that yes, he's a great athlete

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and was a tremendous MMA fighter,
UFC champion and a very intimidating and outstanding

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fighter in that sport. But if
he comes over to box, he's got

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no shot against a heavyweight champ,
an experienced fighter with good power and you

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know, good quickness, and you
know, tremendous experience and all the things

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that checked those boxes. And we
found out differently because whether part of it

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was because Fury didn't train the right
way or whatever, all I know is

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that in the third round, Tyson
Perry was on his ass. And when

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the ten rounds are over, there
was a lot of people that walked away

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saying that for Insantigan, who got
robbed and he should be the new lineal

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heavyweight champ of the world, Well, he's not sneaking up on anybody for

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this fight. So I think Anthony
Joshua knew that he was looked very very

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serious when he was having his making
his comments and doing some interviews and that

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sort of thing. And for Naganu, it's like he's playing with house money.

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If he loses, I mean,
he's going to make a bag and

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he's going to have had in the
in the span of what you know,

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four months, the two biggest names
in the heavyweight division and back to back

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fights and Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. I mean, that's uh, that's

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playing playing it right. I guess
uh. I expect it to be a

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good, interesting fight. I'm excited
for the card. I'm excited for the

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fight more so, I guess than
I was when he fought Fury. And

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you know, people are like,
well, you weren't excited for Fury,

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Why are excited for that? Well, the reason is because I fucking saw

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what happened in the Theory fight.
You know, things are fluid, you're

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allowed to change your mind. Things
don't stay stagnant forever. So if I

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let's be truthful, let's be true. Let's be truthful. Most people thought

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it was a goofy, you know, sideshow type thing. What is in

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ghan who gonna look like as a
boxer. I mean point me to the

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people that believe he was going to
be sharped and polished and knock Tyson Fury

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on his butt in the first couple
of rounds of the fight, because they

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don't exist. So now now we
have people acting like that. We should

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have seen that, and we should
have known that, and we should have

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been more excited because of that.
I agree with you, there is why

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intrigued because of what we did see. Yeah, I agree. Why wouldn't

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you be Why wouldn't you be more
excited to say this? Plus, I

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think most people view generally. I
don't necessarily subscribe to this, but I

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think the general boxing fan population views
because of what's happened before. Joshua has

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a more vulnerable guy than Fury.
So maybe if he's got a real chance

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to beat Fury like he showed he
could, maybe he's got even better chance

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to beat Anthony Joshua. Now,
Joshua, of course, is gonna have

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had Now this will be his fourth
fight in twelve months. He obviously is

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coming off the three wins in a
row that helped probably restore some of his

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confidence after the two losses to Alexander
Usik. He's working a second fight.

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That was the other thing that came
out at the press cover, So I

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think we all sort of suspected it, but Joshua made it official he will

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stay with Ben Davison to train for
this fight instead of returning to Texas to

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continue to work with Derek James,
although he did say he still talks to

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and is in touch with Derek.
But that's obviously different than who's going to

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be in your corner and who's in
your camp for the whole time. But

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as I said before, when he
went with Ben Davison for the auto whaling

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fight, you know he can't really
go wrong. I mean, they're both

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excellent trainers, and it just so
happens that Ben is in London, and

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you know, Joshua can can train
at home for this fight. So okay,

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there you go. He's staying with
Ben Davison. I don't think that

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comes as a huge surprise, but
it's an intriguing fight, and I for

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one am excited to see it and
what it is. It just continues the

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avalanche of these major shows in a
fairly short period of time that are taking

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place in Riad. Because it started
with the fiery Usik fight, I mean,

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I'm sorry with the Fury nagan Who
fight. It took place in October

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very quickly thereafter, and the Christmas
weekend was the Day of Reckoning. That

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was Joshua and Wilder in the double
header that was supposed to be fiery Usik

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but didn't happen because he had to
put it off because of what happened against

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00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:45,200
Naganho. But we got that card. Then we got February seventeenth with fiury

407
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:49,920
Usik for the undisputed championship, and
then three weeks later you got Joshua against

408
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,319
nagan Who. When every one of
the cards that I've mentioned all have definitely

409
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,279
interesting and important and intriguing in the
fights I'm looking forward to that we're on

410
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,079
those undercards. So you know,
would I rather see these events be taking

411
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,920
place in America, Absolutely, But
you know what, They're not taking place

412
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,839
here, So I'd rather have them
happen and be elsewhere than not happen at

413
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,079
all. And that's what we're looking
at, agreed, That's where the money

414
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,920
is. Now. While we're on
the subject of that card, you reported

415
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,680
about July Jiang being part of the
card, we now know they announced this.

416
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:26,279
His opponent is Joseph Parker who upset
Deontay Wilder Day of Reckoning back on

417
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,920
December twenty third, and there's another
title fight as well. So all this

418
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:34,519
was announced another WBC featherweight title fight. So fill us in on all the

419
00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:37,240
details. I mean, look,
it's another deep card. I mean,

420
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:42,359
as you mentioned, the idea was
if Joshua and Wilder had won on December

421
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,519
twenty third, they had signed contracts
to fight each other and that would have

422
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:51,079
been the main event on March eighth. Deontay Wilder was you know, outclassed

423
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,839
completely and lost basically every round against
Joseph Parker. And so for his you

424
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:59,680
know, his victory. You know, when you win, that means something.

425
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,279
So he dances to another highly significant
fight that will pay him a lot

426
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:07,400
of money. They'll take on Jang
July, you know, our Zilla Jang

427
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,319
for the for his WBO interim heavyweight
title. So you're talking about between Jang

428
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,680
and Parker. I think I don't
think there's really a lot of dispute or

429
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,599
debate about this. I think if
you're doing honest, unbiased, non sanctioning

430
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,640
body rankings of the top heavyweights in
the world, you would have Jang and

431
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,039
Parker in your top five and they're
fighting each other. So while we're seeing

432
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,160
one and two fight in February,
when it comes down to Fury and Usik,

433
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,480
now we're gonna see Joshua, you
know who's probably is in that top

434
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,200
five bus So he's telling Niganu.
So there's three of the guys in there

435
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,480
that are in action. And then
you go to Jang and Parker probably the

436
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:48,160
next two guys behind them, and
they're fighting each other. So you have

437
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,440
an active top of the heavyweight division
and they're not just fighting, you know,

438
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,839
nobody's you know, four of them
are involved in real serious fights against

439
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,920
other top contenders. And say what
you want to the matchup between Joshua and

440
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,440
Naganu, but he's waiting for a
bigger fight because he can fight for a

441
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,799
title at some point, and he's
been very active. And as we've talked

442
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,160
about, especially when it came to
that run that Canelo went on, you're

443
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,000
allowed to take the quote unquote softer
fight. Now, I'm not saying nagan

444
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,240
who's a soft fight. I don't
give him respect for what he did to

445
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,880
Fury, but clearly it's not a
guy that's an established fighter, like if

446
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,400
he was fighting Pergovis, let's say
for the vacant IBF title or what will

447
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,200
become eventually, probably the vacant IBF
title. You know, that's fine,

448
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,119
but I have no problem with him
making you know, tens of millions of

449
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,640
dollars for Naganu and I fight that
I think a lot of people will be

450
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,720
interested in based on the Fury performance
while he's waiting for the heavyweight at the

451
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,039
top. Fury and Usik to sort
out their business, and frankly, Jiang

452
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,079
and Parker to do their business.
Because if Joshua beats Naganu, he's right

453
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,039
there to be involved in any of
the major fights in the weight class.

454
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,480
So I say, bring it on. I love all this heavyweight action.

455
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,440
We went through a twenty twenty three
where the heavyweight division was a piece of

456
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,359
just just just a piece of garbage
because nothing was happening, because the fighters

457
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,319
were bad. His weren't fighting.
It wasn't until the very very end of

458
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,240
the year where a couple of guys
finally got in the ring, you know,

459
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:14,119
in meaningful matchup. I'll say it
with few facts, Tyson Fury wasted

460
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,279
our time because not only did he
mess around and cost us the Usik fight

461
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,240
back in the spring. Usik then
walked away and said I'll fight someone else,

462
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,279
and then Fury waited all the way
to October to look like that against

463
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,039
in Ghanu. So a lot of
it is on Tyson Fury as to why

464
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:30,799
none of this went into motion and
he looked as bad as he did against

465
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,359
in Ghanu, and he's got to
show something to me and everybody else come

466
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640
February. Yeah, twenty three was
like a lost year. There we go

467
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,799
and so and listen. So the
rest of the card, you know,

468
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,319
with the Joshua card, as you
mentioned, so that's obviously an interesting main

469
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,519
event. We talked about Jang versus
Parker. You mentioned about the featherweight title

470
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,839
fight. That's Ray Vargas who has
the WBC title. He'll be making his

471
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,599
first defense. Remember he won the
title against Magxioh and for his next fight

472
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,799
he went to one thirty. He
lost to Oshaki Fosster in a decision for

473
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,279
the vacant Beltlin said he would return
to one twenty six, So that's what

474
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,480
he's doing. He's taken on the
British contender, Nick Ball, who's looked

475
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,200
very good and had a very good
win against Isaac Dogbay where he looked excellent.

476
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,000
That was an eliminator fight, So
now he's gonna fight Nick Ball for

477
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:15,200
that title. That one kind of
comes out of nowhere. I think most

478
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,839
people that identified Ray as a fighter
that's been for the last several fights with

479
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,880
PBC. I'm not sure what his
status with PBC is at the moment.

480
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,880
When the bottom line is PBC has
no shows of any kind until at least

481
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,480
March, and so this will at
least take care of one of their guys

482
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,400
by going there, and I'm sure
being paid handsomely to do so. And

483
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,559
then the rest of the card shakes
out with some other you know the you

484
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:40,839
know, Gavin winning Mark Chamberlain in
a lightweight fight there, you know British

485
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,000
fighters, got the Australian up and
coming heavyweight Justice Hooney's on there, Tyson

486
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,839
Fury's half brother, Roman Fury,
who's you know, in the infancy of

487
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,440
his career as a cruiserweight, and
a few other fights. So that's that's

488
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,079
a pretty darn good card if you
get Jang. Look, I don't want

489
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,720
to sound like a Carnival Barker or
or a promoter of myself, but I

490
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,039
can't tell you how many times I've
been to a news conference or read in

491
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,359
a press release or heard from a
promoter, Oh well, this undercard fight

492
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,839
could be a main event in its
own right. You know, usually they're

493
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:08,200
full of shit. But you know
what if a promoter stood up on a

494
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:12,200
dais and said, we have Zang
July against Joseph Parker, and that could

495
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,119
be a main event in its own
right. Ya damn right, it could

496
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,400
be. And frankly, Ray Vargas
against Nick Ball is the kind of main

497
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880
event that we probably would have seen
on a showtime kind of card considering what

498
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,160
they've done on their network over the
last couple of years before they decided to

499
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,160
get out of boxing. Good enough, And you know that I love the

500
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,440
joke like this. This is like
the old Ginshu Steak Knives commercial. But

501
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:38,160
wait, there's more, because Turkey
ala Chik, the Saudi like rain maker

502
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:44,440
for boxing. Right now, he
was spewing more plans, more thoughts,

503
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,880
including undercard fight as well for the
fury Usik fight. So give me more

504
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,839
about what he was talking about at
the Joshua Enganu presser, about what else

505
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960
he would like to do, except
well, he didn't get into the specifics

506
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,559
of the February seventeenth under card Usak
and Fury. That's just been things I

507
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,160
have reported, and I think the
others also. But the thing that he

508
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,680
did was before he wasn't at the
Dais, but he was like in the

509
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,559
balcony and before they started the formal
proceedings they turned the microphone over it for

510
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,279
him to basically welcome everybody and have
his say and you know, do a

511
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,880
little of a promoting on his own, just to you know, tell everybody

512
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,559
what a great show was and do
his thing as sort of the rain maker

513
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,680
of this whole event. But one
of the things he said was, you

514
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,000
know, he had two more things
he wanted to see happen in twenty twenty

515
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,039
four at least, and that was
one he wants to do a card.

516
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,960
And remember Frank Warren and Eddie Hearn, who are bitter rivals in the British

517
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,319
boxing scene, have been for a
long time, who very rarely do business

518
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:43,880
with each other and when they do
it's like kicking and screaming. But they

519
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,279
are involved with these Saudi events.
Frank has been the lead promoter and Eddie's

520
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,680
had a lot of his guys on
there. Obviously, Joshua was with Eddie,

521
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,680
so he's an important aspect of the
show is there also. So they're

522
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,960
getting along and you know, a
ton of money for everybody usually will help

523
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,559
make you get along with somebody.
So they're sitting up at the day Is

524
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:06,319
next to one another. When Turkey
A. Laschk went to the microphone and

525
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,519
among the things he said was that
he wanted to do a card in which

526
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:15,400
they find five Matchroom boxing fighters to
square off against five of the Frank Warren

527
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Queensberry boxers, you know, Queensberry
versus Mattchroom for a card where then they

528
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,720
have plenty of fighters in their stable. Both guys have deep car deep stables

529
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:29,960
of a boxers and I'm sure they
can find five fights that would be interesting

530
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,200
to make between their two companies.
And as soon as he said that,

531
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:39,799
immediately Frank and Eddie shook hands and
said done simultaneously. So I think we'll

532
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,160
see that. I mean, that's
interesting. It may not be the Mega

533
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,960
fight, but that's sure, we'll
bring a lot of intrigue. And the

534
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,960
other one he said this has not
come as a huge surprise, but he

535
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,960
was the first time I've heard him
speak publicly about We've heard others say it

536
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:57,720
that he wants to make sure that
they get the better bv. Dmitri Biebel

537
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,160
Undisputed like heavyweight title fight done.
He's going to talk to Bob Aram.

538
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,799
He said he wants to fight.
He'd like it by June. Now,

539
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,200
June might be a little of an
issue because, as Bob Aaron pointed out

540
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,159
in the aftermath of Better Bf's victory
this past Saturday, he will observe Ramadan,

541
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,159
which ends in April, and then
he would need three months, which

542
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,760
would put that fight at the earliest
in mid July. Turkey was saying he

543
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,760
wanted to seed in June. Listen
at the end of the day, a

544
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,119
few weeks here there, I'm sure
they're going to be able to work that

545
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,719
out. There's no way this fight
doesn't happen, in my opinion. And

546
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,880
so that's just two things on top
of what we already are seeing. And

547
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,679
you can probably bank on the fact
that you know there'll be more stuff coming

548
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,360
later in the year, particularly when
the read Season festival begins again come October.

549
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,559
And on that Usik Fury Undisputed title
card. We've been talking about this

550
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,039
that Jaio Pattayah and Marius Bradst they
are going to fight. Tell us more

551
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:58,360
specifics here, and there's another title
fight on that money talks. We're lining

552
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,159
up the fights. I like it, keep going well. It was just

553
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,400
stupid the way the IBF handled it, because they all along said that they

554
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,079
would fight each other when Bradest was
good to go, and they would do

555
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,880
the fight in February, and the
IBF did not accept that, so Opataia

556
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,920
had no choice but to vacate.
He defended a lineal title on the on

557
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,559
the on the recent card, scored
a spectacular first round knockout, and they

558
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,599
had ordered for that vacant title,
Brightest to fight Zerdo Ramirez and they were

559
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,840
talking about it. But but when
that happened, the Zerdo Ramirez team in

560
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,159
Goldenway were already in conversations with Arson
Gula Marian, who was the WBA Cruiserweight

561
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,880
champion. So when the perspid was
scheduled, you know, they were exploring

562
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,119
both and seeing what was up.
They were happy with the direction things were

563
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:43,000
going in with Goula Marian and so
when the purspit was supposed to take place

564
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,280
earlier this week, they notified the
IBF that Rozerto would not be participating because

565
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,800
of their other direction they were going
to go in. So at that point,

566
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,239
the IBF does what they do.
They look down their rankings and well,

567
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,400
lo and behold. After they dropped
him, you know, as he

568
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,599
after he vacated the title, who
was next up? It was? It

569
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:01,639
was it was a giant Opataia.
So they're going to fight each other,

570
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,440
but it just won't be for Opataia's
IBF belt. It'll still be for his

571
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,159
lineal title, but now they'll fight
for the vacant IBF title. It's just

572
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,960
a stupidity situation, but they will
fight. It'll be a rematch. What

573
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,119
was a tremendous battle if you watch
that first fight was terrific. Opataiah won

574
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,119
the decision. He fought through a
bust of jaw for a long period of

575
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,519
time in that fight. And so
while that's happening on February seventeenth, it's

576
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:29,039
not been officially announced, but don't
trust me, that's what they're gonna do.

577
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,519
That'll be the co feature. You
have a scenario where now Zerdo Ramirez

578
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,559
are and his people are trying to
finalize everything for the Gula Mariian cruiserweight title

579
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,519
fight. If they get that done. You're looking at a fight that will

580
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,480
take place either March twenty third or
March thirtieth on a Golden Boy to his

581
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:50,159
own cart. You know, site
to be announced or be determined, but

582
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,719
that means that you'll see Golden Boy
with two you know, two dates in

583
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,679
the month of March. Because this
another item will get to they're also looking

584
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,719
this is more the Zerto Goula Marian
fight. That's not done yet. They're

585
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,599
still working to get the things squared
away. Goula Marians having some issues with

586
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,519
his promoter in France that they're trying
to get squared away. That really has

587
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:12,360
nothing to do with Zero or with
Golden Boy. But the other fight that

588
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,679
they're gonna do in March, this
is a really solid fight. I can't

589
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,320
really argue with this. He got
the very exciting, big punching Mexican lightweights

590
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,599
Williams of Peeda. You know,
he was ready to fight anybody in the

591
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,480
weight class. But it's kind of
jammed up a little bit at the top.

592
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:27,880
Right now. He's going to take
on Maxi Hughes, who gave a

593
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,760
tremendous performance in a recent fight where
a lot of people thought that you know,

594
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,000
frankly that he got a raw deal
and so he's getting another. That

595
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,079
was against George Cambosis, you know
he was. He was lucky Cambosas to

596
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,480
get that victory. So we'll see
Zpeida against Maxi Hughes and they will fight

597
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,199
again in at the Zone. Main
event that'll take on that will take place

598
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,280
March sixteenth. It'll headline a Golden
Boy card in the Zone, will take

599
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,400
place at the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas. As a matter of fact, just

600
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,719
a little bit before we started to
tape this this show, I saw the

601
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Nevada agenda for their upcoming meeting and
one of the items on that agenda was

602
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,159
the Golden Boy date request four March
sixteenth at the Cosmopolitan, which tells you

603
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,280
they're down the line with that.
So that that's a solid fight for Zepeta

604
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,480
and a great opportunity for Hughes.
So you're talking about so much goodwill and

605
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:16,480
good stuff with Golden Boy, et
cetera. And now we get to Oscar

606
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:22,599
Dale Hooya and Ryan Garcia yet again, as we joked earlier in the podcast,

607
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,440
not on the same page. And
it doesn't look like a fight with

608
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Devin Hainey's gonna happen, and apparently, and so now Oscar's putting out there

609
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,840
who he wants to fight to be
with, and that's Jose Ramirez, which

610
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719
we've talked about who they've signed,
and Ryan garcias swatted it like right away

611
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,480
on social media Thursday morning, Dan, Dan, you want me to say

612
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,480
it? What are we doing here? I knew that was coming. I

613
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,840
mean, we're doing what we always
do when it comes to Oscar and Ryan.

614
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,599
I'm gonna put it like this.
I do give Ryan Garcia credit for

615
00:38:54,719 --> 00:39:00,639
being a guy with a great sense
of humor because even though Ryan, you

616
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,480
know, he's gone back and forth
and there's always some drama. Ryan is

617
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,480
a pretty self aware guy. I've
known Ryan for a long time. He's

618
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,639
he's pretty self aware, and so
he knows all the back and forth.

619
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,039
He saw what Oscar put out there. I don't think he particularly liked it

620
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,559
because it wasn't true. Because even
if Oscar was talking to Ramirez about doing

621
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,559
that fight, which I can understand, he just signed Ramirez. He wants

622
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:24,079
to get him the biggest fight.
Obviously, if you're at Golden Boy,

623
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:28,400
what's the biggest fight at one hundred
and forty pounds it would be fighting Ryan

624
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,760
Garcia. Well, that may all
have happened, but apparently Oscar never had

625
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,119
a conversation with anybody on Team Garcia, which you can't make that kind of

626
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:44,199
fight without at least getting the aok
from the ACI to pursue the fight.

627
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,199
You know, everybody thought he was
going to pursue Hainy that went away.

628
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,559
They ended up trying to pursue Roly
Romero. Don't know what happened there,

629
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,440
you know, Oscar. You know
I had made a tweet without mentioning names

630
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,239
previous that about how people like to
price themselves out of fights. You know,

631
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,039
I don't know what the deal is
there. We'll see if anything comes

632
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,440
to light on what was offered,
but I do know this. When Ryan

633
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,440
then made his post on his social
media that it was just not true,

634
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,280
where if you took a look at
his Instagram, he basically wrote a message,

635
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,280
no, Ramirez, sorry, that's
just not going to happen right now.

636
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,159
Let me make that clear. And
then later on his Twitter, excuse

637
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,280
me, he wrote, and this
was hilarious, and that's why I said,

638
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,480
he's self aware. This is Ryan
Garcia's own words, on his own

639
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,760
on his own post Ryan Garcia versus
Oscar de la Hoya at this point with

640
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,280
a you know, with a face
palm type of picture. I mean,

641
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,840
it is what it is, Okay, So clarify if you know how much

642
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,679
longer is left on this relationship,
because I know they've been in mediation.

643
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,360
Do they have multiple fights? Do
they have multiple years? Do we even

644
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,679
know? I mean, how is
this going to go on? I can't

645
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,679
tell you the exact length or number
of fights, but it's more than one,

646
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,559
is my understanding. So they would
have to get through whatever they're going

647
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,679
to do for him in the spring
and then probably at least one more fight

648
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,480
this year. So look, and
the thing about it is, this is

649
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:10,639
not I I don't perceive this as
as bad for the relationship as I saw

650
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,679
some of the other things that went
on between them, particularly some of the

651
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,400
words that Oscar had about Ryan,
you know, you know after his loss

652
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,480
to Jervonta Davis. This this doesn't
seem there's no name calling, there's no

653
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:28,840
you know, terrible back and forth. It just feels like they're just not

654
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,360
on the same page. There's there's
a lack of dialogue, there's a lack

655
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,920
of communication, and that's a problem. I mean, you have to you

656
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,840
and this is not just about Oscar
Dell Loyd. This was any promoter.

657
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,840
I don't care. This is just
business in general. You you can't go

658
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,960
making decisions and making things public without
letting the other people know first or talking

659
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,480
to them about it first, Like
take care of your shit internally before you

660
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,039
go put it on your Twitter feed
to a million. This function, it

661
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,519
is dysfunction, and it's uh.
It may be good for us to talk

662
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:05,920
about and give us clicks and everybody
else clicks and and things to to you

663
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,239
know, go over while we're looking
for things to talk about within the sport

664
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,639
of boxing. But it's just not
a good situation. I mean, in

665
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:14,119
a perfect world, they would make
a fight against one of the big names

666
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,880
and instead of the back and forth
between boxer and promoter, we'd be talking

667
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,599
about what the big fight is for
these for this, uh, for the

668
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,760
spring for Ryan Garcon. I was
very interested and excited for a Devin Handy

669
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,920
fight, and it obviously fell apart. Because I'm just saying this out of

670
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,239
speculation. Obviously Ryan Garcia probably priced
himself out of that. I would I

671
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,920
don't think so. No, I
think this is a matter of Floyd Mayweather

672
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:38,000
getting in his ear on their Las
Vegas run and him explaining to him the

673
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,519
way of the world why it was
a better move business wise to go fighter

674
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,960
Roly Romero, which happens to be
Floyd's fighter, than to fight Devin Haney.

675
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,400
I think that's actually I can't.
I can't believe the financial offer from

676
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,719
Floyd or anybody else would be that
much better to go fight roll Now.

677
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,719
It's not making a financial Coffert.
This is what I don't even back to

678
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,280
my premise. Let me stick to
my premise. I have to believe that

679
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:02,360
a Ryan fight with Devin Haney is
a much more lucrative fight. But it

680
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,000
must not be the money that Ryan
wanted or Ryan would agree to it,

681
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,400
because Devin Haney continues to say,
I'm willing to fight you, but you

682
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,400
don't want to fight me. So
listen, I don't know what the money

683
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,480
offers to Devin Haney. I don't
know what they were offering Ryan Garcia.

684
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,519
It's not even I'm not gonna say
it's not about the money. But whoever

685
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:21,679
Ryan Garcia is gonna fight, he's
gonna make millions of dollars. So I

686
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,639
think that and this is intelligent if
you forget about the the the business card

687
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:29,960
for a quick second, in terms
of just the competition when the ring,

688
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,400
when when you're in the ring and
the bell goes, I think I'm not

689
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,039
talking out a turn here. Ryan
Garcia has a better chance to beat Roly

690
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,320
Romero than so that, I think
is what Floyd was telling him. Fight

691
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,039
the fight that you can still make
a shitload of money in, but a

692
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,639
fight that's not as complicated. But
then, but then we lose out.

693
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,599
We lose out as fans, as
interested observers, you know, take the

694
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,840
less risky, less important fight.
We lose out on that one. Well,

695
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,639
some would say it's not less important
because would let him a WBA belt

696
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:07,320
if he won, And CJ,
I'm just telling you the facts. You're

697
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,719
giving me a devil's advocate argument.
And if you have the WBA title and

698
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,840
you then fight a unification, it
makes your WBCWBA unification a bigger deal commercially.

699
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:21,360
I'm just saying for no belts and
it's a bigger fight. That's my

700
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,519
retort to that. Here's the bottom
line. I believe that before it's all

701
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:28,320
said and done, and not when
they're old men that Ryan Garcia and Devin

702
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,280
Haney will probably fight each other.
They have too much history with each other,

703
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:37,159
six fights against each other. Both
have said on a multiple of occasions

704
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,440
they want to fight each other,
and sometimes we have to put on our

705
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,039
big boy pants and realize that just
because we want something doesn't mean we're going

706
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:45,719
to get it right away. And
these are not old, used up guys.

707
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,559
This is not a fight that's gonna
you know, it's happening like way

708
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:54,199
past its sell by date. They're
still doing their thing. You know.

709
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,880
It takes time. I know people
don't like to hear that shit, but

710
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,119
I don't get too emotional about these
things anymore. It's in due time.

711
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:05,320
Will happen if he does a fight
against Roly Romero or Jose Ramirez or whoever.

712
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,679
There's nothing wrong with those fights.
They're competitive, solid, good fights,

713
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,039
you know. And I think Floyd's
probably right if it's what he told

714
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,360
them that Haney's a much trickier,
much more complicated fight, that's right.

715
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,840
You don't want to be losing that
fight. That's not something that Floyd exclusively

716
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,119
would know. We all know that
that Ryan was more open to listening to

717
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:28,440
Floyd gets in his statue, it's
a much more lucrative fight. And I'm

718
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,159
telling you, follow the money.
We keep talking about this. The money's

719
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,079
not there, or they would make
the fight. They would have they both

720
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,960
wanted to fight. But here's the
thing about wanting to fight. Yes,

721
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,480
it's about the money. But if
you're Ryan Garcia, and he made a

722
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:43,440
very good point about this. The
reason why he didn't fight the Duarte fight

723
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,800
on pay per view, he has
said time and again and it's basically following

724
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,039
what Oscar used to do. Not
every fight's a pay per view, So

725
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,519
we take the big fights on pay
per view, like a Devin Haney would

726
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,719
have been, or a Tank Davis
would have been, and maybe even a

727
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,960
Roly Romero would have been for sure, And for a Douarte level fight,

728
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,280
which is still a solid but not
a big name, we give it to

729
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,880
our fans and he don't charge the
extra money. My point here is this,

730
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,159
Ryan at this stage of his career, is not showing himself to be

731
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,159
the athlete that's looking for every single
dollar available. He's willing to take a

732
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,639
little bit less for certain situations to
just keep his name out there. And

733
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:20,599
that's what Oscar, you should do. He'd fight a huge fight against Pearnel

734
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,639
Whitaker on pay per view and then
be back on HBO four months later,

735
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,519
you know, fighting a lesser name, but still a solid fight. And

736
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:30,280
that's what they're doing. So,
you know, whatever, we'll see it.

737
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,639
We'll see Ryan hopefully at least twice
this year, and at least one

738
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,480
of them will be a big fight. And if he has to take a

739
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,480
little bit of a smaller fight,
so be it. I'm fine with that.

740
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,079
Stay tuned, nostalgia, and then
we are done. A couple of

741
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:47,079
birthdays from this past week, January
seventeenth, Buddy McGirt sixty years of age.

742
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,559
Marco Antonio Barrera the same birthday,
ten years later, fifty years of

743
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,079
age. You have much affinity and
you've told us before about Buddy McGirt,

744
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,639
and as it says on the Rundown, and he's a big reason why you

745
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:04,840
went into in do a boxing writing
career for Buddy mcgart so this has this

746
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,599
is something near and dear that he's
turned sixty this week. Well, I

747
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,519
will not say he's a big reason
why. I believe what I wrote on

748
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:14,719
the rundown was he is responsible for
my career of covering boxing. That's pretty

749
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,400
definitive. It's not like he guided
me and said you should do this.

750
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,800
But as I have told the story, first of all, happy birthday to

751
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,760
Buddy mcgerty, one of my favorite
people in boxing. A Hall of famer

752
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,360
as a fighter, as a as
a two division world champion, was involved

753
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,920
in a lot of big fights and
fought Parnel Whitaker, fought a lot of

754
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,000
top guys, a great boxer,
came out of New York City and just

755
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,679
you know, had a lot of
had a good fan base, and you

756
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,679
know, just just a real student
of the game. And you know,

757
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:43,280
it's funny when you look at the
guys who are Hall of Fame fighters,

758
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:46,199
there's a lot of there's become a
lot of top trainers in boxing. But

759
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,280
when a lot of the top fighters
become trainers, they're not necessarily hugely successful

760
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,039
ass trainers. Buddy, he's one
of the rare guys that became a Hall

761
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:58,199
of Famer as a fighter and is
now also at a top level as a

762
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,519
boxer. So take an example of
like a f roach, all time great

763
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:04,679
trainer. But it was just like
a you know, an average kind of

764
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,679
journeyman fighter. You're hard pressed to
find the elite world champions that have begun

765
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,119
on to become top trainer. Buddy
is sort of kind of one of the

766
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,199
guys that's kind of breaking that mold
a little bit. But anyway, so

767
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,639
happy birthday, my man, James
Buddy McGirt. I've told the story before,

768
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,440
I'll give you the short version of
the reason why he means so much

769
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,559
to me is because the very first
professional boxing match I ever covered in the

770
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,079
summer of nineteen ninety six, and
I was a sports writer at the Saratogian

771
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,920
newspaper in upstate New York, where
we were located down the street from the

772
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,639
horse racing track, which had its
meat every August. And every August the

773
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:43,119
city would fill with lots of rich
people and people coming for the you know,

774
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:46,199
the meat, to rent departments and
rent houses and spend other money and

775
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:50,280
go out to dinner and go to
the bars. They always looking for things

776
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,519
to do at night, and there
was a it was like an annual thing

777
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,880
that one of the local promoters would
bring a card to the City Center,

778
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,280
which was a small arena right in
the center of downtown, and put on

779
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,239
a boxing event. To have a
place where people could go at night after

780
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,320
the Horse Racist and they did that
in the summer of nineteen ninety six,

781
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,000
and it was literally I could see
the building from the office window at my

782
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:15,400
desk inside the Saratogin and I was
one of a very small sports staff there

783
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,239
and I asked my boss, hey, can I cover that? Because I

784
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:21,320
was like a general assignment reporter and
covered all kinds of different things, and

785
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,199
I say, yeah, go for
it. And so I covered that show.

786
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,480
And to make a long story short, in the tenth round of that

787
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:30,199
fight, where I was having a
very enjoyable time in my first ever boxing

788
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:35,760
match hitting ringside, Buddy mcgert was
fighting the billed as the new England middleway

789
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,239
Champion I believe it was, or
maybe it was a new England welterweight champion.

790
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Nonetheless a man named George Heckley,
and it was a terrible fight.

791
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,559
But in that tenth round, George
Heckley got nailed with a big punch from

792
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,079
Buddy mcgert and George Heckley's blood thanks
to Buddy McGirt's punch, flew out of

793
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:55,880
the ring. It nailed this poor
woman who was like a floor manager for

794
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,199
what was the Prime Network broadcast of
this. They were taping it to show

795
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,039
later on delay, and she had
that high new jersey hair and her hair

796
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,480
got sprayed with blood and it was
like a shield and blocked the most of

797
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:13,519
the blood, but literally one drop
of blood went over her hair and landed

798
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,719
in the middle of my white notebook
paper that I was taking notes on.

799
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:22,480
And it's morbid and disgusting and I'm
not proud of it. But that moment,

800
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,440
I've said this, it's crazy.
It's absolutely fucking crazy. That is

801
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:30,119
like of my professional life. Is
the seminal moment of my life because from

802
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:35,599
that moment on, that blood made
me from like a normal boxing fan but

803
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,719
also loved other sports, you know, many better than boxing, made me

804
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,199
a fucking boxing lunatic. From that
moment on, I was absolutely obsessed with

805
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:51,559
boxing and have been ever since.
For the blood thirsty Dan Raphael Born that

806
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,800
night out of the DNA of another
fighter flying out of the ring in a

807
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,559
Buddy McGirt fight. So I went
back to the office with that notebook paper

808
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,840
up on the bulletin board in my
sports department. My colleagues who were still

809
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,239
working that night after it, because
I was it's so close and there was

810
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,880
no internet that was really dependable at
the time. I had one of those

811
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,440
shitty trash eighty you know laptops,
as I'm sure you remember. So I

812
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:20,639
just walked back to our office to
write my story after the show and attacked

813
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,320
that notebook paper up on the Baltimore. To my colleagues thought I was an

814
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,039
absolute lunatic because it was covered with
blood or you know, one big red

815
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:31,880
spot of blood, including at the
time the woman that became my wife,

816
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,679
who was one of the editors in
our newspaper office. They all thought I

817
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,320
was crazy. Unfortunately, when I
came to the office the next day,

818
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,599
that piece of paper was missing.
Somebody had thrown it away off the Baltimore,

819
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:45,239
which pissed me off because I would
have liked to keep that Rayfield collection

820
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,079
right now. Yeah, it was
where I was taking those Yes, I

821
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:50,840
was writing stuff and there was the
big blood on the notebook. Anyway,

822
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,800
so that changed my life. And
it's it's because of Buddy mccurt So now

823
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,119
fast forward. That was in the
summer of ninety six. Now you get

824
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,000
to the early part of two thousand. I'm hired to you know, be

825
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:05,519
the boxing writer at USA today.
You know, skipping a couple of steps

826
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,840
in the middle there, and I
now am covering a boxing event in New

827
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,679
York City and Buddy McGirt is the
trainer of Arturo Gaddy, who was fighting

828
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,079
on the undercart and Artur was my
favorite fighter, as everybody knows who listens

829
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,880
to this podcast or has ever followed
me for two seconds. But and so

830
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,719
I didn't know Buddy well, but
I had interviewed him related to that show

831
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,079
and knew him a little bit.
I had seen him in some other fights,

832
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:30,599
but never had a chance to talk
to him. So I saw him

833
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,440
in the hotel lobby we were staying
at across from Madison Square Garden, and

834
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,280
I went up to Buddy and I
said, Buddy, I need you to

835
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,639
indulge me for a couple months.
I got to tell you a story.

836
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,920
And he looked at me like I
was a fucking lunatic, like what are

837
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,960
you talking about? Like, I
mean, I don't know. I don't

838
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,280
know if he really knew who I
was at that moment, right, but

839
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,320
he does now obviously. But so
I told him this story about this young

840
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,400
journalist that goes to cover his fight
against George Heckley in August of nineteen ninety

841
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,079
six and what happened in the blood
And by the way, that's why I'm

842
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:05,000
here because that made me a boxing
junkie and just obsessive. And it's all

843
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,159
because of you and that punch you
landed in that terrible fight. And we

844
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,360
had a good laugh about that.
And even though he thinks I'm a looney

845
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,199
tune, and that's the story.
And so without Buddy mcgert, we wouldn't

846
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,119
be doing this podcast. I love
it. And he was working as recently

847
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,440
as last saur. He was in
the corner of Callum Smith as a matter

848
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,400
of fact, stopped off for the
better BF fight in Quebec for the light

849
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,360
heavyweight title. So good stuff on
it. I two more real Quick Marco

850
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,800
Antonio Burrows. As I mentioned,
as it turns out Barrera, born on

851
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,920
the same day ten years later is
now fifty years of age. That's another

852
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,199
legend, and we've talked a lot
about him on the podcast. How would

853
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:42,280
you say about Buddy McGirt real quick? Yeah, everybody knows now as a

854
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,960
trainer, but people really kind of
down great, or I shouldn't say down

855
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,639
great. They don't really know about
his career. This is a man who

856
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:53,039
had seventy three wins, six losses
in one draw, forty eight knockouts.

857
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:57,880
He is a guy that fought for
a long time. I mean he turned

858
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,679
pro in nineteen eighty two and fought
all the way to nineteen nine. So

859
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,480
think about that length of a career
and getting in that many freaking fights almost

860
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,079
you know, eighty fights and one
of you know, world titles, and

861
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,320
fought some of the biggest fights out
there. So, you know, the

862
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,760
George Heckley fight that I talked about
was at the end of his career.

863
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,800
He only fought a few more times
after that. He was sort of on

864
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,280
a comeback after, you know,
having taken a loss, and it was

865
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,000
sort of on his you know,
on the downward trajectory after he had lost

866
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,079
the second fight to Perno Whitaker.
But people should look up his boxing career

867
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,119
in terms of him in the ring
as opposed to just the great reviews and

868
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:34,639
notoriety that he's received as a trainer. Anyway, my my pontification about the

869
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,880
great Buddy McGirt is not over there. You go, Barrera also say some

870
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,159
words about that. You were a
lot of his classic fights, just real

871
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,760
quick, let's go, Oh yeah, I mean Barrera, I mean the

872
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,400
baby face assassin, you know,
the just one big time win after another,

873
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,840
one of those guys that was always
in great fights, has you know,

874
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,159
multiple Fights of the year candidates on
his on his resume, pulled off

875
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,480
one of the great one of the
most satisfying victories I think for people that

876
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,280
wanted to see Prince Nasim have his
mouth shut after being so mouthy and and

877
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,360
so egotistic over so long, and
he went in there and went from being

878
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:14,719
the consummate brawler turned boxer like few
boxers I have ever seen in my time

879
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,639
of watching boxing, much less covering
boxing, who you can see really change

880
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:22,800
their style in one fight to make
it easier for them to win a certain

881
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,280
fight. And he went from that
brawler, all out you know, assassin

882
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,079
to a boxer puncher and he toyed
with Marco Antonio Brera that night. I

883
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:34,719
was at that fight ring side.
It was a mesmerizing performance from Brera.

884
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,960
And despite the fact that he has
has the two big wins against Eric Morales

885
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,239
in their trilogy, he lost the
first fight, but won the second and

886
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,840
third fights and number one and number
three for arguably two of the best fights

887
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,599
in the history of boxing. I
still think that the victory over Ahmad is

888
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,199
the biggest win of his career.
He may disagree and think that it was

889
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:57,679
perhaps the third fight to get the
win in the rivalry against Barrera, I

890
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,679
mean against Morales, but it just
shows you that we have the conversation about

891
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:05,159
those caliber of victories of this what
this man has done. And then not

892
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,360
only that, but he overcame two
losses back to back to Junior Jones,

893
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,880
who was like a borderline Hall of
Famer. He had the absolutely phenomenal fight

894
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,119
the very first main event in HBO's
Boxing After Dark series history that really kicked

895
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:22,079
that series off, when an unbelievable
bang when he had the absolutely incredible,

896
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,440
one of my all time, all
time, all time favorite fights against Kennedy

897
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:29,960
McKinney. I would urge you to
seek that out on YouTube if you have

898
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,119
never seen it. It's a brilliant
fight. And he just had one fight

899
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:35,760
after another against the best in the
business. And he fought Nanny Paco,

900
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,599
and he fought Eric Morales three times, an he fought Rocky Wares twice,

901
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,320
and he fought one Daniel Marquez,
and I mean he fought Amir Cohn when

902
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,719
he was an older fighter, and
you know, even though he lost,

903
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,480
won a bunch of titles and just
fought everybody and never, never, anybody

904
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,599
left the Marco Antonio Breyer fight saying
they want their money back. And you

905
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:57,119
mentioned nineteen ninety six, I got
to be ringside for Barrera and Poison Jones

906
00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:01,119
in Tampa on an HBO doubleheader and
often have joked and I think on this

907
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,320
podcast I made you laugh that I
had to try to look around the biggest

908
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,920
purple pair of leather pants ever from
the late basketball star artist Gilmore who played

909
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,920
back in the eighties, who was
there as a celeb and in the media

910
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,599
area, and I'm and the artists
kept standing up, and I'm trying to

911
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,239
look around artists to see Poison Jones
and Barrera. That's when back in nineteen

912
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,159
ninety six, the same year that
you hooked up with boxing and Buddy mcgarth.

913
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,159
Nostalgia. Yeah, because Barrera still
is around the fight cards a lot

914
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:35,480
because of his time doing some commentary
for Mexican television. I've seen Marco on

915
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,079
many many occasions post his you know, once he was done as a boxer

916
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:43,079
in the ring, which that ended
in twenty eleven, So he's been retired

917
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:46,719
now for a number of years,
but he's still very very frequent person out

918
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,519
ringside doing the Mexican boxing commentary and
always a pleasure to see him and talk

919
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:58,519
to him. And just if you
don't love Marco and Tonio Brera as a

920
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:00,000
fighter, I don't know what in
the world you're watching boxing bot. He

921
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:06,400
is the consummate, exciting, entertaining, talented fighter. Just tremendous series.

922
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,800
Great series with with Eric Morales and
by the way, artist Giel Moore living

923
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,679
my mistake, Artist Skill Moore still
alive, but I was around him that

924
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,000
night in ninety six. How about
that? I am one more nostalgia from

925
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,159
this week Deontay Wilder in the present. I think a lot of people believe

926
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:24,920
career at the end or close to
the end. But the big coming out

927
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:30,519
for his career happened on the same
day this past Wednesday, January seventeenth,

928
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:37,440
twenty fifteen, nine years ago,
where he beat Bermain Stavern you were ringside

929
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,119
and became the first American in many
years to regain a portion of the heavyweight

930
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:46,639
title in Montreal, if I'm correct, where they fought. Tell me more

931
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,760
about that nostalgia. I don't where
you thinking about Montreal. They did not

932
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,920
find Montreal, well, Las Vegas, Las Vegas. Staverne from Montreal.

933
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:57,519
Right, he's Haitian, he lived
in Canada. He's a magic world all

934
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,320
right. Yeah, but that night
a huge night and the bronze bomber was

935
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,480
born on the biggest stage that night. Yeah, I mean their their first

936
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,400
fight took place at the MGM Grand
in Las Vegas. Deontay Wilder. Remember,

937
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,079
he was an Olympic bronze medalist in
twenty twelve, and when he went

938
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:16,599
into the fight against Steverne, he
was undefeated. He had knocked everybody out.

939
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,599
He was thirty two and zero,
and nobody knew if he could really

940
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:24,840
fight. Nobody knew if he was
gonna be able to step up because he

941
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,239
had a career that started as a
pro debut all the way to the point

942
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,960
where he was fighting for the title
where he really didn't fight anybody of consequence.

943
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,679
It wasn't until he fought Steverne,
who was a top heavyweight at that

944
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,480
time, one of the top handful
three four guys in the world, plowing

945
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:45,079
off to win over Chris Ariola to
by knockout in their in their vacant title

946
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,320
fight that took place, you know, previous, you know, several months

947
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,480
earlier, and we're like, okay, what's gonna happen here? I mean

948
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,440
there, Severne was a big puncher, Wilder was a big puncher. And

949
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,679
the whole question mark was, you
know, is Deontae gonna be able to

950
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,280
get into the deep part of the
fight because he'd never really gone you know,

951
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,639
more than a handful of rounds.
He was just killing everybody, but

952
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:05,480
he wasn't being match with anybody.
And that was the first time he went

953
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,159
to distance. But he went to
distance in a fight where he absolutely dominated

954
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:13,920
beat up Bermain Stevern one handily won
every single round. I mean the judges

955
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,360
I think gave maybe Severne one or
two rounds. One judge I know how

956
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,679
to shut up. But the point
was he won the title as a guy

957
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,159
that came in as the ultimate knockouts
and it forced him to go twelve rounds.

958
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:27,199
But he he showed he could do
the twelve rounds and he beat a

959
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,519
good fighter that night and became the
heavyweight w And if I'm not mistaken,

960
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,280
broke his hand at some point,
including late in the fight, and fought

961
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,880
through it could have maybe given up, could have said that's it, but

962
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,440
fought through it, dominated him.
I honestly don't have a recollection of that

963
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,199
about him breaking ahead. I know
that Severne ended up in the hospital because

964
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,719
of some dehydration after the fight.
But from there on he went on that

965
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:51,119
run where he made ten title defenses, you know, won most of them

966
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,320
by knockout, except for the draw
against Fury in their first fight. And

967
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,519
he did ultimately fight Severne again in
a rematch, which was a mandatory fight

968
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:02,239
that took place in twenty seventeen.
That was a devastating first round knocket.

969
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,280
After going twelve rounds with the man
and winning the title, he then goes

970
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,599
less than a one round in a
monstrous knockout against him. So at that

971
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:12,360
point, you know, he had
knocked out everybody he had ever faced.

972
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,000
But the fact that that fight's not
long ago, now, you know,

973
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:20,320
you're right that you know we what
we saw between Deontay and Joseph Parker,

974
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,239
you know it. I think,
you know, for his sake, hopefully

975
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,280
he can rebound and come back,
but he's not getting the younger. He's

976
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,480
near forty years old at this point, thirty eight, I believe it now

977
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,000
nine years ago he won that belt, and if it is the end of

978
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:32,519
him in terms of being a top
heavyweight. You know, people like to

979
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:36,320
diminish and tell me that he didn't
fight anybody, was no good, and

980
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,320
yeah he got beep I fury.
You know, I hate people who do

981
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,880
revisionist history. It drives me absolutely
fucking crazy. Bermain Staverne was a top

982
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,159
three or four heavyweight at that time
when he beat him. You know,

983
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,840
he Suvern only had one loss going
into that fight, and he won every

984
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,599
single round and then for good measure, beat him in a rematch. And

985
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,599
yeah, did he have a couple
of softer touches in the beginning of those

986
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:00,000
title reign. Yeah, like everybody
does primarily. But then he had a

987
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:04,639
monstrous knockout against Arthur Spilka, who
was a quality contender at that time.

988
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,719
He also defeated Ariola, who had
given Staverne a pretty tough fight when they

989
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:12,280
met for the Vagant title al Away, Brazil with one punch, Yeah,

990
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,440
no doubt about it. Gerald Washington
was undefeated when they fought. Luis Ortiz

991
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:20,760
was undefeated and that was a tremendous
battle the first fight that they had.

992
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,400
Then he had to draw against Fury. Now, look, I know it's

993
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,000
an unpopular opinion, and I don't
really give a fuck, to be honest

994
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:30,360
with you, I was ringside for
that fight, and I was not alone.

995
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,599
I was in the minority fair enough. But I scored Wilder as the

996
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:36,239
winner of the fight against Fury,
and I will stand by that till the

997
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,280
day I die, because where that
fight changes is, yes, Fury dominated

998
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,920
over the second half of that fight
other than you know, when Fury got

999
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,559
knocked down. But in the first
four or five rounds of that fight,

1000
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,840
they were some close rounds. I
gave some of them to Wilder and that's

1001
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,519
why I had him winning a close
fight. But I cannot take or believe

1002
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:01,920
anybody if they tell me that they
gave Wilder no rounds in the first four

1003
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,800
or five rounds of that fight.
I just don't accept that. So that's

1004
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,159
my story and I'm sticking to and
I have rewatched it because I'm like,

1005
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:09,599
did I really fuck that one up? And yes, there's always a fight

1006
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,639
here and there where you watch back
and maybe, like, you know,

1007
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,599
I didn't score that the right way. I'm fine with my score on Wilder

1008
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,559
against Fury. One I definitely thought
he won close, and it's because of

1009
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the early rounds, but nonetheless,
you know, and then of course he

1010
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,719
had the Brazil fight that you mentioned
in the rematch of the Ortiz and then

1011
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,920
of course meant the Waterloo where he
did get stopped and dominated by Fury,

1012
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:34,239
and really hasn't ever been the same
since then. But nine years, you

1013
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,639
know ago, he won the heavyweight
a heavyweight title and was one of the

1014
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,079
dominant figures in the sport for a
long time and generally speaking, a good,

1015
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:45,119
solid guy to deal with, made
for exciting fights, tremendous story,

1016
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,960
tremendous story, like so many guys
coming out of out of poverty, meager

1017
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:53,519
means and become a heavyweight champion and
making millions of dollars and a thunderous right

1018
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:58,480
hand. And I continue to say
this for all the history revisionists, Anthony

1019
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,880
Joshua wanted no part of that right
hand in twenty fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

1020
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:08,159
eighteen, And it came later that
he was interested in it, much

1021
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,079
much later, after Fury had done
what he did to him. So the

1022
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:14,000
other thing about Deontay is he didn't
really I mean, his dream was to

1023
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,559
be an Alabama football player, like
every other correct sports craze kid that's living

1024
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,840
in the South in Alabama like that. He didn't have the ability to do

1025
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,760
that, and he didn't turn to
boxing until he was later into his you

1026
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,239
know. And it is not a
kid that picked up boxing love at age

1027
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:30,760
seven or eight or ten. He
was like I think it was maybe late

1028
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,679
teens and maybe into his twenties already, you know. And he was good

1029
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,159
enough. He made the Olympics with
a very little experience, got a medal

1030
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,639
and turned pro. And he did
it. And the reason was not because

1031
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,599
he had this great affinity for boxing. He needed to make money. So

1032
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:46,960
instead of working as a dishwasher,
you know, at the local ihop,

1033
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,679
which is part of his story,
he had a daughter that had medical problems

1034
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:55,079
that needed to have certain treatments and
that costs money, and he can make

1035
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,559
more money knocking guys out. Hey, early on in his fight career was

1036
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:02,920
he was still delivering adult beverage beverage
truck. He was part of a beverage

1037
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:08,000
distributing company that was doing the deliveries
while he was still a professional fighter.

1038
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,159
So a phenomenal success story. There
is no for all the negativity that some

1039
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,639
keep on Wilder. Yes, he's
made some excuses with fights. His body

1040
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,039
armor was too heavy, blah blah
blah. You know what, in the

1041
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:23,840
totality of my experience, having covered
many of Deontay Wilder's fights from his I

1042
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,199
was at his professional debut, all
three of the Fury fights and many others

1043
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,039
in between, including fights in Alabama, et cetera, but both Luis Ortis

1044
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:34,920
fights, all the Barclay Center fights. I tell you my viewpoint as somebody

1045
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,519
that has dealt with him and his
team for a long time. A stand

1046
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:44,679
up guy in my opinion, always
like Deontay him, money's worth from him,

1047
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,000
Yeah, and we've always had him
on here and he's been great to

1048
01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:49,239
deal with. I just unfortunately,
I think it's he's at the end,

1049
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,360
and it happens for all, for
all professional athletes. Sooner or later,

1050
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,119
father time catches up. I don't
know. I don't know for certain,

1051
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:01,719
but if it is the end,
he's a walk away with a lot of

1052
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:05,239
money in his bank account, no
no doubt about it, and deservedly so

1053
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:10,360
listen Busy Podcast again. We'll be
back on the bet Us Show to talk

1054
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,559
about Natasha Jonas and Mikaela Mayor from
a handicapping standpoint, good stuff with John

1055
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:17,000
Ryder, that fight with Haimi Mungia
coming on the twenty seventh, not this

1056
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,960
weekend but next weekend. And other
than that, lots of fight news and

1057
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,639
why don't we do this? Why
don't we recap whatever happens this weekend?

1058
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:30,559
And then we'll talk more about the
Japanese double header of fights Tuesday morning,

1059
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:36,800
US time, including Taraji in Action
Unified Junior Flyweight title coming up. All

1060
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,880
of that off the weekend on the
Fight Freaks Unit Recap podcast. Are we

1061
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,920
good? My friend? Are you
ready for the weekend? I'm ready for

1062
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,159
the weekend? Baby, I think
we are again. Bet US Boxing show

1063
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:50,880
coming at one. You've been listening
to the Big Fight WEEKD preview for Dan

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01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,000
Rayfield. I'm TJ. Reeves.
Thank you for being with us. Enjoy

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01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:56,960
the fights.