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You're listening to the Mind Over Murder
podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.

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I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now

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trying to use my experience as the
brother of a murder victim to help other

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victims of violent crime. I'm working
on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway

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murders and I'm the co administrator of
the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with

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Kristin Dilley. My name is Kristin
Dilley. I'm a writer, a researcher,

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a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social media

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manager and co administrator for the Colonial
Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner in

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crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to
mind Over Murder. I'm Kristin Dilley and

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I'm Bill Thomas. We're continuing with
our coverage of the Long Island serial killer

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or a list or if you prefer
the Go Go Beach. I happen to

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like lisk. Bill, what's your
preferred term. I'm actually leaning towards Gilgo

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Beach killer because those are the cases
we seem to have the strongest connection forensically

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and electronically. Someone on Our Mind
Ever Murder Facebook page made the comment do

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we think that law enforcement is going
with the assumption that he's the only killer

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of people on Long Island or do
they think that maybe there are others?

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There's been a longstanding theory that there
could be multiple killers on Long Island.

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At this point, law enforcement investigating
Rex Huerman have not indicated that they suspect

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that he may be responsible for all
eleven victims in the Long Island serial killer

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ors case. I think it remains
to be seen. It's still possible that

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there could be another killer or killers
involved in this decades long series of murders

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along on round. Yeah. I
think that's definitely a possibility. One of

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our loyal listeners over a Mind of
a Murder did mention that, and they

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said, media and law enforcement don't
seem to be addressing this issue. If

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human is only responsible for the four
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Barnes, what about the other victims. I definitely think that's something that will

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be addressed a little bit later.
There's an intriguing discussion going on some of

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the sites, and I've been a
participant in some of these discussions, although

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I mostly just read and observe.
There's discussion, as you'll get into in

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a few minutes, about some of
the searching that Rex Human did on his

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various cell phones, including the burner
phones. It appears that he discarded these

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burner phones after each of the four
victims, so it's actually fairly easy to

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tell when a murderers take in place, he would get rid of the cell

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phone and get a new one.
In some of his Internet searches, as

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highlighted in this stockument, he was
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their deaths, and also looking for
information about their families. It's very disturbing

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what some folks are mentioning. Was
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victims, what about the other seven
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interesting question, as we talked about
in our last episode, though what's provided

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in a document like this bail application
is only part of what law enforcement investigators

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and later prosecutors will have to work
with. Very interesting question as to whether

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Human may have searched for any of
the other victims names in the total of

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eleven victims who were killed over the
years. I think that's going to be

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very interesting and hopefully, as you
said, this is going to come out

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the longer that the investigation goes on. We want to jump back into the

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case against rex Hureman, as laid
out in this application for bail that was

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filed with the Suffolk County Court and
ultimately was published in the New York Times

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on July fourteenth, which by the
way, was my dad's eightieth birthday.

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We covered in our last episode the
murders of all four women, and that

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does include Marine Brainard Barnes. We
started laying out the information about the Burner

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cell phones. We're going to continue
with that discussion, and if we need

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to take more time to get into
this bail application, we certainly will over

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another episode. But let's go ahead
and jump back in, and for anybody

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who has decided to open up the
document, we are currently at the bottom

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of page eight and we're going to
continue on from there. The subsection that

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we're looking at now, very interestingly
is titled records established that defendant Human's wife

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was out of New York for the
disappearances of Barthelmy, Waterman and Costello.

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Significantly, travel records show that on
July eighth, two thousand nine, definite

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Hureman's wife departed the US for Iceland. On August eighteenth, two thousand nine,

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Definite Huerman's wife returned to the United
States. Consequently, Definite Hureman's wife

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was out of the country during the
time of Melissa Barthelmy's disappearance. Based upon

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cellular telephone billion records. On June
four, twenty ten, the cellular telephone

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subscribed to by definite Hureman's wife traveled
from New York to Maryland. On June

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eighth, twenty ten, the cellular
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to New York from Maryland. Consequently, based upon cellular telephone records, the

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cellular telephone subscribe to by definite Human's
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the time of Megan Waterman's disappearance and
based upon cellular telephone billing records. On

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August twenty eight, twenty ten,
the cellular telephone subscribed to by definite Hureman's

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wife traveled from New York to New
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the cell phone subscribed to by his
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Jersey. Consequently, the cellular telephone
subscribe to by Definite Hureman's wife was out

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of New York State during the time
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noted that his wife is from Iceland. Originally, it appears that she would

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take four to six week long vacations
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then returned. It's very striking that
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time frames when his wife is either
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or a week or so at a
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breaks that his wife would take when
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I think it will be interesting to
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murders in his house in that vault
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they were using gram penetrating radar in
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wondering if during the time she went
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to take these women back to the
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That's my working theory at the moment. We'll see if that bears out.

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Very disturbing Nonetheless, the next section
is titled Cellular billing records for the

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cell phone of Rex Ahreman, and
so this is continuing the work that the

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CAST FBI team does, and CAST
stands for CAST stands for the Cellular Analysis

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Survey Team, and CAST was created
to put together a highly trained team of

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experts at FBI headquarters whose specialty was
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So this does continue to work that
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this is about cellular billing records.
During the times of the disappearances in murders

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of the victims defended, Humorman owned
an architectural business located in midtown Manhattan,

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and this business was the name subscriber
of Human cell phone, which was active

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during the times of the victims disappearances
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Park. Although cell site records from
that time period no longer existed, investigators

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obtain cellular billing records which show general
location information for Humorman's cell phone. A

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review of these records, as well
as Human's American Express records, showed numerous

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instances where Hureman was located in the
same general location as the Burner cell phones

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he used to contact victims Barthelemy,
Waterman, and Castello, as well as

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the use of Brainard, Barnes,
and Barthelemy's cell phones when they were used

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to check boicemail and make taunting phone
calls after the women disappeared. Significantly,

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investigators could find no instance where Hureman
was in a separate location from these other

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cell phones when said communication event occurred. That's very powerful. So human's phone,

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the one he used for business and
family contact, would be with him

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while he's using these burner phones.
Investigators can find no instance where they're in

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separate locations. It never occurred to
him to leave his regular cell phone at

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home or in his truck, similar
to what happened with Brian Coburger in the

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Idaho four case. These guys are
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I want to make a note of
two footnotes here. One footnote reads,

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neither cellular telephone billion records nor travel
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defendant Hureman's wife for two thousand seven, as such records when no longer available

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due to retention policies. Therefore,
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wife was traveling out of state during
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in murder, so they can't track
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and maybe I'm making a false assumption, but I'm going to assume that

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probably same pattern holds. I would
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that they've gone public and arrested Humorman, they will probably be looking for additional

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information regarding Human's wife in terms of
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that might indicate where she was at
a particular time. I know they're trying

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to connect Huorman to four homicides in
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they'll continue to look at options where
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together. As they mentioned in the
document, there were three hundred different subpoenas

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issued in this case, and I'm
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basis to try to build a strong
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if possible, where his wife and
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located. Yeah, there's another footnote
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for the Burner's cell phone used to
contact miss Brainard Barnes were not obtained at

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the time of her disappearance and now
no longer exist. So that's why they're

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having a harder time connecting her to
him. They're missing records here, Okay.

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So it says that investigators could find
no instance when he was in a

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separate location from these other cell phones
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example, on July tenth, two
thousand and nine, the last day Melissa

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Barthelmy was seen alive, both the
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the area of Massapequa and traveled together
toward New York City. Thereafter, both

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Miss Barthelmy's phone and Hureman's phone traveled
eastbound towards Massapequa. See he's like holding

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onto these phones and taking them with
him. On July fourteenth, two thousand

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and nine, out approximately seven fifteen
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phone used to contact Miss Barthelemy prior
to her disappearance, had activity in Manhattan

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on this same date, between approximately
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pm. Billion records from Hureman's cell
phone also showed called locations in New York

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City, so he's in the same
place as her phone. Following Miss Barthellamy's

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disappearance July seventeenth, two thousand and
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a male caller used the barth Ellamy
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The Barthelomy phone was located in New
York City at this time, specifically attached

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to a cellular tower located at four
Penn Plaza, which is approximately two thousand,

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three hundred seventy two feet or point
four to five miles from Hureman's then

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office space, which at the time
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New York see illustration below. There's
a nice little illustration there. On

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this same date, at approximately one
forty five pm, billion records from Hureman's

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phone also show a call location in
New York City. So you've got a

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nice illustrated map here showing the victim's
phone in green, rex Huerman's office in

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blue, and showing like how close
to each other. They are interesting too

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that he tried to restrict the length
of some of these calls. That call

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is one minute and six seconds long. He may have been thinking about how

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phones can be tracked and how his
location could be traced, because here he

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is making calls on the victim's phone
after her death. Although law enforcement would

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not have been aware of the fact
that a murder had taken place, he

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is taking a significant risk by using
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He may live to regret those haunting
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twenty two, two thousand and nine, at six fifty one pm, cell

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set records indicate the Burners cell phone
had activity in New York City, specifically

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attached to a cellular tower located at
nineteen West thirty fourth Street, which is

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approximately eight hundred and seventy two feet
or point one six miles from defendant Humans

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then off the space, which at
the time I was located at nineteen West

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thirty sixth Street, New York,
New York. On this same date,

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at approximately five to twelve pm,
billion records from Human's cell phone listed a

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cell located in New York City,
so the same thing. The outgoing call

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in this instance was only five seconds
long. But they've got all of these

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things nicely tracked and traced and illustrated. It's really good police work. I

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knew that we said that with the
Coburger case, and that holds true here

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as well. Cast as an amazing
job. There's been some coverage in newspaper

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and other coverage indicated with these taunting
phone calls that sometimes the killer would be

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looking to reach the victim's sister.
He was very focused on her. I

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think she was sixteen years old at
the time. If other family members answered

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the phone, he would hang up, and then he would try again later

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because he was trying to get a
hold of the younger sister so he could

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engage with her in a very sick
way. These phone calls then only last

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five seconds. If other family members
picked up the call, he would jump

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off the call and hang up.
So the next couple of pages really dig

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into the particulars of these taunting calls. So on July twenty third, two

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thousand and nine, at six forty
two pm, a male caller used the

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barthelomy phone to contact her family.
The barthelomy phone was located in New York

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City at this time, specifically touched
to a cell tower located at two seventy

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five West thirty ninth Street, which
is approximately eight hundred seventy two feet or

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point when six miles from Human's then
office space. On July twenty third,

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between approximately twenty nine pm and nine
thirty PM, the Burners cell phone had

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activity in New York City. Later
on the same date, at approximately eleven

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o five pm, Billion records from
Human cell phone listed a call located in

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Jamaica, Queens. And again we've
got more more detailed illustrations and maps here.

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On August fifth, two thousand and
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and seven to eleven PM, a
mail caller used the barthelomy phone to contact

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Miss Barthellamy's family. During said time
period, the barthelmy phone utilized the following

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cellular phone towers in New York City, which are two thousand, two hundred

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thirty to three thousand, two hundred
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On the same date, during a
similar time frame, between approximately six

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forty six and seven oh five,
Hureman's cell phone listed billion locations in New

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York City. And so for this
one, it looks like he's walking around.

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Maybe I'm trying to interpret how is
he on all these different cell phone

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towers? It looks like maybe he's
just walking up and down the block,

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killing time and making phone calls.
Is that I'd seem that way to you,

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Bill. The way a cell phone
works, it's a radio, which

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most of us seem to forget.
A cell phone will switch from one tower

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to another as you move around.
I think what human was doing was leaving

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his office and going out and walking
around using the cell phone to make these

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calls, some of which are quite
disturbing, either at lunch or just telling

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his colleagues I'm going out for a
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and then going out and using the
cell phone while walking around. Obviously,

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he does not want to be overheard
making these phone calls, whether he's making

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a date with a sex worker for
future illegal activity, or using the victim

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cell phones to make these horrible taunting
phone calls. Now, this is interesting

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too. On August tenth, based
upon subpoena travel documents, Humorman departed for

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Iceland. So I'm assuming to join
his wife, and all phone activity for

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the barthelomy phone stopped, so as
soon as he leaves, the country goes

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inactive. On August eighteenth, two
thousand nine, Hureman returned from Iceland,

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and phone activity for the Barthelamy phone
resumed the next day. So again we've

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got lots of correlation here. Yeah. On August nineteen, two thousand and

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nine, at approximately seven twenty three
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phone to contact Miss Barthelamy's family.
Cell site records indicate that the Barthelamy phone

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was located in New York City at
this time, specifically attached to a cell

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tower located at two forty nine West
thirty sixth Street, which is approximately twenty

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eight hundred thirty one feet or point
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On the same date, before and
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at approximately seven sixteen and seven twenty
eight billion, records from Huerman's cell phone

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list calls located in New York City, So it's there and he's there.

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They're doing a great job showing they're
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time, and little maps to go
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last of the calls here. On
August twenty sixth, between approximately eleven twenty

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nine am and eleven thirty four am, a mayo caller used the barthelomy phone

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to contact Miss Barthellamy's family. It's
like he's at work at this point,

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right, that's brazen. According to
cell site records, the barthelomy phone was

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located in New York City at this
time, specifically attached to the cell phone

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tower located at four Penn Plaza,
which is approximately two thousand, two hundred

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thirty feet or point four two miles
from Human's then office space. On the

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same date, at approximately eleven thirty
eight am, Billion records for Humorman's cell

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phone list of call location of New
York City. They're sewing all the threads

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together. They're building this tapestry.
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Murder. The next section is titled
additional burner phones and online account activity linked

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to Definitt Hureman, as described herein. Over the course of the comprehensive investigation

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of Definite Hureman, investigators located a
number of online accounts and burner cell phones

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linked to Definitt Hureman, but which
were held by him in fictitious names and

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used for illicit activities. American Express
Records obtained via subpoena revealed recurring Google pay

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payments made by Definite Human to Tinder, an online dating and geosocial networking application

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used to find dates or hookups within
a user's immediate vicinity. Never heard tender

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describe that way, but cool,
that is exactly what it is. Records

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were then obtained from Tinder, which
revealed that the Tinder profile was set up

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in the name Andy Hureman's middle name
is Andrew, with links to a Burner's

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cell phone number redacted, subscribed in
the fictitious name of Andrew Roberts using an

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email account also acted. The redacted
account was established with AOL in January fifteen,

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twenty eleven, in the fictitious name
John Springfield with an Astoria, Queen's

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New York zip code, using another
Burner cell phone predicted email account, which

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record show has no named subscriber who
uses AOL anymore. I am sorry,

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I'm just I'm gonna judge him on
the fact that he's got an ALL account.

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I would judge him for having a
Hotmail account too if he did.

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I will add that I have the
same AOL address that I have from the

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very beginning of the Internet for a
different reason, which is that I've tried

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to make myself easy to find in
my sister Kathy Thomas's case, the Colonial

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Parkway murders. So I've never dropped
my original AOL account, even though I

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used Gmail primarily and I've used lots
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I wanted to remain consistent for all
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at some old article or a comment. I used to comment quite frequently on

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online discussions of the Colonial Parkway murders, and I would sign Bill Thomas,

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brother of Kathy Thomas Colonial Parkway murders, and many times I had actually include

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my AOL email address to make myself
easy to find. So some people hang

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on to AOL accounts for different reasons. Oh that I totally interestated. In

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your case, I feel like I
don't know. I can talk to Cerio

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Tire and it'll be fine. I
don't think terrible's gonna happen to me.

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It's a bit old school, I
will it is old school, yes,

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Okay. Back to the document,
records obtained from Verizon showed the defendant Hureman's

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cell phone was used to Simber eleven
twenty twenty two for a period of over

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three hours to access the fictitious AOL
account also redacted. Similarly, records obtained

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from T Mobile showed that the Burner's
cell phone redacted was used on multiple dates,

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including November eighth, twenty twenty two, to access this account. A

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review cell records for these two additional
Burner cell phones revealed that both cell phones

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were used extensively between twenty twenty one
in twenty twenty three for prostitution related contacts,

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either with seas workers or massage parlors. In addition, cell side warrants

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for these Burner cell phones revealed that, just like the Burner cell phones defendant

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Human used to contact the victims prior
to their disappearances, these additional Burner cell

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phones had frequent cell side activity and
Midtown Manhattan at Massapequa Park Specifically, the

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records revealed that both these Burner cell
phones consistently had activity on the cellular towers

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that provided coverage to defend it Human's
residence in Massapequa Park and his business in

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New York City. Legal process served
on Google seeking records or accounts associated with

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the device identifiers of these additional Burner
cell phones revealed a connection to get another

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Burner or junk email account namely redacted
here after the blank email account. So

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it's all been redacted here and that's
fine. Google records further indicate that the

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blank email account was subscribed in the
fictitious name Thomas Hawk. A search aren't

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revealed that the I mean, it's
going to call it the hockeymailcount. The

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hockeymail account associated with Burner's cell phone
was used to conduct thousands of searches related

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to sex workers, sadistic torture related
pornography, and child pornography, including there's

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a super long list, all of
which is redacted. I'm going to add

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something here, which is I have
looked up this bailed document elsewhere, and

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if you're interested, those redacted sections
that Kristen mentioned are available. The New

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York Times made a decision to redact
them, which is fine if you are

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curious to see just a sample of
the thousands of searches that he conducted,

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some of which are quite disturbing.
They are available online. If you look

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for this document you can find it
quite easily. It was loaded up to

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document cloud dot org and is available
in an unredacted format. As well.

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I'm going to continue with the New
York Times here. The email account was

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also used to conduct an access of
two hundred searches between March twenty twenty two

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in June twenty twenty three related to
active and known serial killers, the specific

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disappearances and murders of Marine Brainard Barnes, Melissa barth Elamy, Megan Waterman,

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and Amber Costello, and the investigation
into their murders. So he kept going

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on and asking questions like why hasn't
the Long Island serial killer been caught?

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Interesting for you, buddy. He
displayed a tremendous amount of interest in the

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progress of the investigation into the Long
Island serial killer, as well as the

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names of his victims and even the
relatives of his victims. He would also

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search for things like cops launch Gilgo
Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force, so he

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was following this very closely. The
email account was also used to search for

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a number of podcasts or documentaries regarding
this investigation. Then you've got some redacted

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information here. We've been told by
the FBI that very likely the perpetrator and

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the Colonial Parkway murders follows Bill and
social media and probably watched our TV series

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Lovers Lay Murders. It is very
possible they listen to this podcast. This

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is just an interesting little bit of
information that I see that serial killers do

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in fact follow their press. They
seem to very disturbing significantly. Defendant Hureman

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also searched for and viewed articles concerning
the very task force that was investigating him.

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Now there's two pictures down here showing
a search result for Long Island serial

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killer, and as Bill said,
that opens up to two articles, one

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of which is from true Crime News
from Oxygen called the Case is Solvable.

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New task Force aims to solve the
Long Island serial killer case, and a

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second one from the Long Island Press
stating cops launch Go Go Beach Homicide Investigation

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task Force. So that is just
a sample of the things that he was

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looking for. Very interestingly. I've
always found it a little disconcerting to know

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that serial killers do in fact follow
their press, but I guess it's not

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surprising. I still find it maybe
not weird, but I don't like the

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idea that there is a serial killer
out there in this case, the Colonel

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Parkway murders case, that is probably
listening to our podcast. I found that

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a little weird, but it is
what it is. A search warrant conducted

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on the fictitious AOL account further revealed
selfie photographs that appeared to have been taken

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by defendant Rix Hureman of himself see
below. And you've got two little selfies

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of him, one of him doing
the old let me look in the mirror

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and hold up the hold up the
phone and get a photo of myself holding

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my phone while I'm taking my selfie
in the mirror. He's got one of

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those. And then they have one
where he looks relatively normal, not ogreish,

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not the way that he looks in
his mugshot. But he's got two

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cellfies that are listed right there on
this smail application. These photos were sent

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to other peoples to solicit and arrange
for sexual activity, further linking human to

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the fictitious email account and the burner
cell phone used to establish the account.

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So two different photos are of the
Long Island serial killer alleged Long Island serial

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killer. I'm sorry, we need
to make sure he's given his due next

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definite Rex A. Hureman was further
linked to the Burner's cell phone because on

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May nineteenth, twenty twenty three,
Definite Hureman was observed by law enforcement via

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video and field surveillance at a cell
phone store in Midtown Manhattan and purchased additional

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minutes which were added to this burner's
cell phone see images below. And so

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you've got an image of Humorman at
this mid Manhattan cell phone store, polo

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shirt and sunglasses. This also clearly
indicates that by May nineteen, twenty twenty

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three, which is only a couple
of months ago now, he was under

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field surveillance. This isn't just a
store camera recording him walking into this store.

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He's also being followed by law enforcement. So you've got three photographs of

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him entering the store, interacting with
an employee, and fine minutes for his

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phone. Analysis of the AOL account
also led to the discovery of another email

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account here and after the name redacted
Google account used on February fourteenth, twenty

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twenty one, to send an image
of a prostitute from Upstate New York between

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two of Human's secret email accounts.
FUR Their investigation revealed that the Google account

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was created on February fourteenth, twenty
twenty one, using the Burner's cell phone

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as the user's phone number, an
SMS recovery number, and subscribed in the

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ficious name Andy Roberts, the same
fake name listed to the target tender profile

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and Burner's cell phone, as well
as the same alias utilized by defendant human

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in communication with numerous potential sex partners
responding to his advertisements for sex and using

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the fictitious birthday of August six,
nineteen seventy two, which corresponds to the

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digital ending of the Burner account.
In addition, Google provided IP address information

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for the users acceptance of the terms
of service, which revealed that the terms

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of service were accepted on February fourteenth, twenty twenty one. From IP address

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redacted significantly. Records were obtained from
alties doing business as Optimum, which is

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an Internet services provider, indicating that
the IP address a definite human's home address

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was also and then they redact that
as well. But it's the same number,

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same number. Yeah, for those
of us that don't think about this

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very much, all of us have
Internet Protocol addresses. I'm looking at two

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computers here while we're talking, and
they both have discrete numbers. This isn't

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something you can erase unless you're going
through a virtual private network or taking other

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additional steps. Your computer is sending
out its addressed to every other computer on

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the Worldwide Web it makes contact with
and indicating this is my number. All

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right, We're getting to the end
of the cell phone information here, so

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let me wrap this up moreover.
Based upon SCPD records for the official website

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gilgnews dot com, a website maintained
by the SCPD to disperse news pertaining to

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this investigation, Defendant Human's home IP
address was used on May twenty third,

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twenty twenty, and July third,
twenty twenty to access the official news concerning

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this investigation. Records obtained from jet
Blue also showed that the same IP address

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was also utilized to book flights for
Defendant Human and his wife in twenty eighteen.

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When analyzing the usage of all devices
and accounts used by Defendant Human,

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there appears to be a clear pattern
wherein Human used Burner phones and the Burner

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junk email addresses to one contact sex
workers and sex partners to conduct extensive searches

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related to sex and prostitution, violent
sadistic and child pornography, and seek online

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information about the authorities investigating his crimes. These burner cell phones and email accounts

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with fictitious identities were used in an
effort to conceal human's true identity, conceal

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his criminal activity, unlawfully propositioned sex
workers, and attempt to monitor the investigation

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of his crimes. They've done an
incredible job of building the case electronically.

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Their analysis, I think will be
very powerful should this case proceed to a

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trial. This will be very beneficial
in showing the movement of the four victims,

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the cell phones they used in conducting
their business, and then the use

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of the four burner phones, each
one disposed of after he killed one of

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his victims, all of the Internet
search, and then the very strange linkage

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whereby his regular cell phone was always
at the same physical locations as his burner

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cell phone and the cell phone of
the two victims that he used after the

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fact to taunt their families. So
now we're going to get into the DNA

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of it all, and the next
section of this is labeled DNA analysis of

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hairs recovered from the examination of the
victims bodies. This is definitely something that

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you can go online and find the
unredacted copy of The New York Times for

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whatever reason, felt that it needed
to redact a lot of this information and

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that's fine. During the course of
this investigation, each of the four victims

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bodies were examined by a forensic scientist
the Suffolk County Crime Laboratory. There is

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about three quarters of a page of
redacted information, and then another say half

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page in addition to that, but
under the heading of forensic Laboratory and number

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one, it states and or about
July twenty twenty two, Forensic Lab one

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was able to determine that each of
the aforementioned female hairs recovered on the three

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victims each belonged to a female individual
in mitochondrial haplow group K one C two,

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and that this female was not any
of the victims Honor. Around July

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twenty one, twenty twenty two,
and undercover SCPD detective recovered eleven bottles from

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a trash receptacle that had been left
out for collection in front of the residence

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of defendant Rex A. Hureman.
The sefig Canty Crime Lab took swabs of

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said bottles, which were subsequently sent
to Forensic Lab one for DNA testing.

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Based on these new submissions, on
or about February twenty four, twenty twenty

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three, Forensic Lab one was able
to conclude that one of the DNA profiles

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generated from the aforementioned bottles taken from
defendant Human's residence indicated a female individual belonging

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to mitochondrial haplogroup K one C two, which is the same mitochondrial haplogroup as

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the female hairs were covered from the
three victims. They think what happened here,

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and there's more description in the document, is that there was transfer perhaps

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of Human's wife's hair on the tape
used to either restrain or wrap up these

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victims. And the tape was found
with the victims and the binding material that

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we talked about before, the camouflage
burlap fabric. This appears to be a

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situation where the offender is using tape
to wrap up the bodies and is inadvertently

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transferring hair from the woman he lives
with, in this case, his wife.

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They don't think the wife is involved
in the murders. They think that

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her hair is being inadvertently transferred as
a result of some of this activity happening

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at his home. See I was
trying to explain that to my boyfriend.

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He was like, how would her
DNA, how would her hair get on

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something? Or she wasn't involved?
And I said, it's the same way

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that when I'm over at your house
for the evening or whatever, if I'm

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brushing my hair, some of my
hair manned up on your pillow, your

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bathroom floor, or whatever, that
doesn't mean I was involved in any nefarious

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activity that you may get after.
And he's not, by the way,

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He's a good guy, not of
serial killer as far as I know.

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I said, that doesn't mean I
had anything to do with it. It

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just means I was at your place. I know that they're going to be

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people who are like, oh my
gosh, the wife is involved, because

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whilst would her hair be there?
You shed hair and skin cells all the

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time. Just because your DNA is
at someone's house or on someone's stuff does

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not mean that you were involved.
And so I had to make sure I

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explain that to my boyfriend and to
my parents. I've done similar explanations for

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my family and friends as well.
For what it's worth, the FBI had

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asked for my DNA and the DNA
of my two brothers for elimination purposes because

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our DNA would have been inside my
sister Cathy's car. The more DNA profiles

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you have for elimination purposes, the
three Thomas brothers had a legitimate reason to

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be riding in my sister's car and
leaving behind. As you said, we're

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shedding DNA, we're leaving hair behind. It just happens. Anyone that's ever

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cleaned their couch or car and found
plenty of dog hair, there's plenty of

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people hair in there too. I
mean, it's interesting if you stop and

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think for a moment about the number
of people that enter your house on any

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given day bills. This is especially
true for you because you guys run an

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Airbnb. It's not just going to
be your DNA and Pamela's and olivers that's

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there. It's going to be guests
that appear and stay for the weekend or

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however long. With you, guys. It doesn't mean that those guests had

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anything to do with any crime that
takes place there. It just means they

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were there as your guest. And
I've had to explain that to people before.

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Just because your DNA is in a
place, it doesn't mean necessarily that

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you're involved in an affaious happening.
We are going to go ahead and draw

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to a close here because my voice
will not hold out for two terribly much

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longer reading this whole, very long
bail application. So we will continue for

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a third episode discussing this bail application
in the Long Island serial killer or list

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case that is going to do it. For this episode of mind Over Murder,

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please continue to tune in as we
talk about the killer. Thank you

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so much for listening to this episode
of mind Over Murder. We'll see you

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next time. Mind Over Murder is
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