You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast. My name is Bill Thomas.
I'm a writer, consulting, producer, and now podcaster. I am now
trying to use my experience as the brother of a murder victim to help other
victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book on the unsolved Colonial Parkway
murders and I'm the co administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with
Kristin Dilley. My name is Kristin Dilley. I'm a writer, a researcher,
a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the social media
manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner in
crime, Bill Thomas. Welcome to mind Over Murder. I'm Kristin Dilley and
I'm Bill Thomas. We're continuing with our coverage of the Long Island serial killer
or a list or if you prefer the Go Go Beach. I happen to
like lisk. Bill, what's your preferred term. I'm actually leaning towards Gilgo
Beach killer because those are the cases we seem to have the strongest connection forensically
and electronically. Someone on Our Mind Ever Murder Facebook page made the comment do
we think that law enforcement is going with the assumption that he's the only killer
of people on Long Island or do they think that maybe there are others?
There's been a longstanding theory that there could be multiple killers on Long Island.
At this point, law enforcement investigating Rex Huerman have not indicated that they suspect
that he may be responsible for all eleven victims in the Long Island serial killer
ors case. I think it remains to be seen. It's still possible that
there could be another killer or killers involved in this decades long series of murders
along on round. Yeah. I think that's definitely a possibility. One of
our loyal listeners over a Mind of a Murder did mention that, and they
said, media and law enforcement don't seem to be addressing this issue. If
human is only responsible for the four that we're aware of, including Marine Brandard
Barnes, what about the other victims. I definitely think that's something that will
be addressed a little bit later. There's an intriguing discussion going on some of
the sites, and I've been a participant in some of these discussions, although
I mostly just read and observe. There's discussion, as you'll get into in
a few minutes, about some of the searching that Rex Human did on his
various cell phones, including the burner phones. It appears that he discarded these
burner phones after each of the four victims, so it's actually fairly easy to
tell when a murderers take in place, he would get rid of the cell
phone and get a new one. In some of his Internet searches, as
highlighted in this stockument, he was looking for information about his victims even after
their deaths, and also looking for information about their families. It's very disturbing
what some folks are mentioning. Was he only searching for information about these four
victims, what about the other seven people who were murdered. It's a very
interesting question, as we talked about in our last episode, though what's provided
in a document like this bail application is only part of what law enforcement investigators
and later prosecutors will have to work with. Very interesting question as to whether
Human may have searched for any of the other victims names in the total of
eleven victims who were killed over the years. I think that's going to be
very interesting and hopefully, as you said, this is going to come out
the longer that the investigation goes on. We want to jump back into the
case against rex Hureman, as laid out in this application for bail that was
filed with the Suffolk County Court and ultimately was published in the New York Times
on July fourteenth, which by the way, was my dad's eightieth birthday.
We covered in our last episode the murders of all four women, and that
does include Marine Brainard Barnes. We started laying out the information about the Burner
cell phones. We're going to continue with that discussion, and if we need
to take more time to get into this bail application, we certainly will over
another episode. But let's go ahead and jump back in, and for anybody
who has decided to open up the document, we are currently at the bottom
of page eight and we're going to continue on from there. The subsection that
we're looking at now, very interestingly is titled records established that defendant Human's wife
was out of New York for the disappearances of Barthelmy, Waterman and Costello.
Significantly, travel records show that on July eighth, two thousand nine, definite
Hureman's wife departed the US for Iceland. On August eighteenth, two thousand nine,
Definite Huerman's wife returned to the United States. Consequently, Definite Hureman's wife
was out of the country during the time of Melissa Barthelmy's disappearance. Based upon
cellular telephone billion records. On June four, twenty ten, the cellular telephone
subscribed to by definite Hureman's wife traveled from New York to Maryland. On June
eighth, twenty ten, the cellular telephone subscribed to by definite Hureman's wife returned
to New York from Maryland. Consequently, based upon cellular telephone records, the
cellular telephone subscribe to by definite Human's wife was out of New York State during
the time of Megan Waterman's disappearance and based upon cellular telephone billing records. On
August twenty eight, twenty ten, the cellular telephone subscribed to by definite Hureman's
wife traveled from New York to New Jersey. On September five, twenty ten,
the cell phone subscribed to by his wife returned to New York from New
Jersey. Consequently, the cellular telephone subscribe to by Definite Hureman's wife was out
of New York State during the time of Amber Costello's disappearance. It should be
noted that his wife is from Iceland. Originally, it appears that she would
take four to six week long vacations in Iceland to spend time with family and
then returned. It's very striking that these murders seemed to line up with these
time frames when his wife is either in Maryland or on the Jersey Shore,
or a week or so at a time, or during these lengthy six week
breaks that his wife would take when she returned to her family's home in Iceland.
I think it will be interesting to see whether or not he committed the
murders in his house in that vault that investigators were looking into, and certainly
they were using gram penetrating radar in the yard outside of the house. I'm
wondering if during the time she went on these trips, he took the opportunity
to take these women back to the sound per fault and complete his murders there.
That's my working theory at the moment. We'll see if that bears out.
Very disturbing Nonetheless, the next section is titled Cellular billing records for the
cell phone of Rex Ahreman, and so this is continuing the work that the
CAST FBI team does, and CAST stands for CAST stands for the Cellular Analysis
Survey Team, and CAST was created to put together a highly trained team of
experts at FBI headquarters whose specialty was analyzing cell phones and the movement thereof.
So this does continue to work that CAST is doing on the case. So
this is about cellular billing records. During the times of the disappearances in murders
of the victims defended, Humorman owned an architectural business located in midtown Manhattan,
and this business was the name subscriber of Human cell phone, which was active
during the times of the victims disappearances and subscribe to Huraman's home address in Massapiqua
Park. Although cell site records from that time period no longer existed, investigators
obtain cellular billing records which show general location information for Humorman's cell phone. A
review of these records, as well as Human's American Express records, showed numerous
instances where Hureman was located in the same general location as the Burner cell phones
he used to contact victims Barthelemy, Waterman, and Castello, as well as
the use of Brainard, Barnes, and Barthelemy's cell phones when they were used
to check boicemail and make taunting phone calls after the women disappeared. Significantly,
investigators could find no instance where Hureman was in a separate location from these other
cell phones when said communication event occurred. That's very powerful. So human's phone,
the one he used for business and family contact, would be with him
while he's using these burner phones. Investigators can find no instance where they're in
separate locations. It never occurred to him to leave his regular cell phone at
home or in his truck, similar to what happened with Brian Coburger in the
Idaho four case. These guys are not as smart as they think they are.
I want to make a note of two footnotes here. One footnote reads,
neither cellular telephone billion records nor travel in financial records could be obtained for
defendant Hureman's wife for two thousand seven, as such records when no longer available
due to retention policies. Therefore, it is undetermined at this time defendant Hureman's
wife was traveling out of state during the time of Marine and Brainard Barnes's disappearance
in murder, so they can't track it down. But I'm going to assume,
and maybe I'm making a false assumption, but I'm going to assume that
probably same pattern holds. I would think. So now I'm hoping that now
that they've gone public and arrested Humorman, they will probably be looking for additional
information regarding Human's wife in terms of her credit cards, bending or other records
that might indicate where she was at a particular time. I know they're trying
to connect Huorman to four homicides in the Go Go Beach four. I think
they'll continue to look at options where it might be possible to sew those threads
together. As they mentioned in the document, there were three hundred different subpoenas
issued in this case, and I'm sure there would be more on an ongoing
basis to try to build a strong case against Humorman and give a clear indication,
if possible, where his wife and his wife's cell phone may have been
located. Yeah, there's another footnote here that does read unfortunately cell site records
for the Burner's cell phone used to contact miss Brainard Barnes were not obtained at
the time of her disappearance and now no longer exist. So that's why they're
having a harder time connecting her to him. They're missing records here, Okay.
So it says that investigators could find no instance when he was in a
separate location from these other cell phones when such a communication event occurred. For
example, on July tenth, two thousand and nine, the last day Melissa
Barthelmy was seen alive, both the Burner phone and defendant Hureman's phone were in
the area of Massapequa and traveled together toward New York City. Thereafter, both
Miss Barthelmy's phone and Hureman's phone traveled eastbound towards Massapequa. See he's like holding
onto these phones and taking them with him. On July fourteenth, two thousand
and nine, out approximately seven fifteen pm, cell site records indicate the Burner
phone used to contact Miss Barthelemy prior to her disappearance, had activity in Manhattan
on this same date, between approximately six fifty eight pm and seven twenty two
pm. Billion records from Hureman's cell phone also showed called locations in New York
City, so he's in the same place as her phone. Following Miss Barthellamy's
disappearance July seventeenth, two thousand and nine, at approximately twelve forty pm,
a male caller used the barth Ellamy phone to contact Miss berth Ellamy's family.
The Barthelomy phone was located in New York City at this time, specifically attached
to a cellular tower located at four Penn Plaza, which is approximately two thousand,
three hundred seventy two feet or point four to five miles from Hureman's then
office space, which at the time was located at nineteen West thirty sixth Street,
New York see illustration below. There's a nice little illustration there. On
this same date, at approximately one forty five pm, billion records from Hureman's
phone also show a call location in New York City. So you've got a
nice illustrated map here showing the victim's phone in green, rex Huerman's office in
blue, and showing like how close to each other. They are interesting too
that he tried to restrict the length of some of these calls. That call
is one minute and six seconds long. He may have been thinking about how
phones can be tracked and how his location could be traced, because here he
is making calls on the victim's phone after her death. Although law enforcement would
not have been aware of the fact that a murder had taken place, he
is taking a significant risk by using this bartholemy's cell phone to contact her family.
He may live to regret those haunting phone calls. Yeah. On July
twenty two, two thousand and nine, at six fifty one pm, cell
set records indicate the Burners cell phone had activity in New York City, specifically
attached to a cellular tower located at nineteen West thirty fourth Street, which is
approximately eight hundred and seventy two feet or point one six miles from defendant Humans
then off the space, which at the time I was located at nineteen West
thirty sixth Street, New York, New York. On this same date,
at approximately five to twelve pm, billion records from Human's cell phone listed a
cell located in New York City, so the same thing. The outgoing call
in this instance was only five seconds long. But they've got all of these
things nicely tracked and traced and illustrated. It's really good police work. I
knew that we said that with the Coburger case, and that holds true here
as well. Cast as an amazing job. There's been some coverage in newspaper
and other coverage indicated with these taunting phone calls that sometimes the killer would be
looking to reach the victim's sister. He was very focused on her. I
think she was sixteen years old at the time. If other family members answered
the phone, he would hang up, and then he would try again later
because he was trying to get a hold of the younger sister so he could
engage with her in a very sick way. These phone calls then only last
five seconds. If other family members picked up the call, he would jump
off the call and hang up. So the next couple of pages really dig
into the particulars of these taunting calls. So on July twenty third, two
thousand and nine, at six forty two pm, a male caller used the
barthelomy phone to contact her family. The barthelomy phone was located in New York
City at this time, specifically touched to a cell tower located at two seventy
five West thirty ninth Street, which is approximately eight hundred seventy two feet or
point when six miles from Human's then office space. On July twenty third,
between approximately twenty nine pm and nine thirty PM, the Burners cell phone had
activity in New York City. Later on the same date, at approximately eleven
o five pm, Billion records from Human cell phone listed a call located in
Jamaica, Queens. And again we've got more more detailed illustrations and maps here.
On August fifth, two thousand and nine, between approximately six fifty pm
and seven to eleven PM, a mail caller used the barthelomy phone to contact
Miss Barthellamy's family. During said time period, the barthelmy phone utilized the following
cellular phone towers in New York City, which are two thousand, two hundred
thirty to three thousand, two hundred and eighty feet from Human's then office space.
On the same date, during a similar time frame, between approximately six
forty six and seven oh five, Hureman's cell phone listed billion locations in New
York City. And so for this one, it looks like he's walking around.
Maybe I'm trying to interpret how is he on all these different cell phone
towers? It looks like maybe he's just walking up and down the block,
killing time and making phone calls. Is that I'd seem that way to you,
Bill. The way a cell phone works, it's a radio, which
most of us seem to forget. A cell phone will switch from one tower
to another as you move around. I think what human was doing was leaving
his office and going out and walking around using the cell phone to make these
calls, some of which are quite disturbing, either at lunch or just telling
his colleagues I'm going out for a walk or whatever, running an errand,
and then going out and using the cell phone while walking around. Obviously,
he does not want to be overheard making these phone calls, whether he's making
a date with a sex worker for future illegal activity, or using the victim
cell phones to make these horrible taunting phone calls. Now, this is interesting
too. On August tenth, based upon subpoena travel documents, Humorman departed for
Iceland. So I'm assuming to join his wife, and all phone activity for
the barthelomy phone stopped, so as soon as he leaves, the country goes
inactive. On August eighteenth, two thousand nine, Hureman returned from Iceland,
and phone activity for the Barthelamy phone resumed the next day. So again we've
got lots of correlation here. Yeah. On August nineteen, two thousand and
nine, at approximately seven twenty three pm, a mail caller used the Barthlamy
phone to contact Miss Barthelamy's family. Cell site records indicate that the Barthelamy phone
was located in New York City at this time, specifically attached to a cell
tower located at two forty nine West thirty sixth Street, which is approximately twenty
eight hundred thirty one feet or point five three miles from Huerman's then office space.
On the same date, before and after the calls of berth Elamy's family
at approximately seven sixteen and seven twenty eight billion, records from Huerman's cell phone
list calls located in New York City, So it's there and he's there.
They're doing a great job showing they're both in the same place at the same
time, and little maps to go along with each one. And then the
last of the calls here. On August twenty sixth, between approximately eleven twenty
nine am and eleven thirty four am, a mayo caller used the barthelomy phone
to contact Miss Barthellamy's family. It's like he's at work at this point,
right, that's brazen. According to cell site records, the barthelomy phone was
located in New York City at this time, specifically attached to the cell phone
tower located at four Penn Plaza, which is approximately two thousand, two hundred
thirty feet or point four two miles from Human's then office space. On the
same date, at approximately eleven thirty eight am, Billion records for Humorman's cell
phone list of call location of New York City. They're sewing all the threads
together. They're building this tapestry. You're listening to Mind over Murder. We'll
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Murder. The next section is titled additional burner phones and online account activity linked
to Definitt Hureman, as described herein. Over the course of the comprehensive investigation
of Definite Hureman, investigators located a number of online accounts and burner cell phones
linked to Definitt Hureman, but which were held by him in fictitious names and
used for illicit activities. American Express Records obtained via subpoena revealed recurring Google pay
payments made by Definite Human to Tinder, an online dating and geosocial networking application
used to find dates or hookups within a user's immediate vicinity. Never heard tender
describe that way, but cool, that is exactly what it is. Records
were then obtained from Tinder, which revealed that the Tinder profile was set up
in the name Andy Hureman's middle name is Andrew, with links to a Burner's
cell phone number redacted, subscribed in the fictitious name of Andrew Roberts using an
email account also acted. The redacted account was established with AOL in January fifteen,
twenty eleven, in the fictitious name John Springfield with an Astoria, Queen's
New York zip code, using another Burner cell phone predicted email account, which
record show has no named subscriber who uses AOL anymore. I am sorry,
I'm just I'm gonna judge him on the fact that he's got an ALL account.
I would judge him for having a Hotmail account too if he did.
I will add that I have the same AOL address that I have from the
very beginning of the Internet for a different reason, which is that I've tried
to make myself easy to find in my sister Kathy Thomas's case, the Colonial
Parkway murders. So I've never dropped my original AOL account, even though I
used Gmail primarily and I've used lots of different work emails over the years.
I wanted to remain consistent for all of those years so that if someone looked
at some old article or a comment. I used to comment quite frequently on
online discussions of the Colonial Parkway murders, and I would sign Bill Thomas,
brother of Kathy Thomas Colonial Parkway murders, and many times I had actually include
my AOL email address to make myself easy to find. So some people hang
on to AOL accounts for different reasons. Oh that I totally interestated. In
your case, I feel like I don't know. I can talk to Cerio
Tire and it'll be fine. I don't think terrible's gonna happen to me.
It's a bit old school, I will it is old school, yes,
Okay. Back to the document, records obtained from Verizon showed the defendant Hureman's
cell phone was used to Simber eleven twenty twenty two for a period of over
three hours to access the fictitious AOL account also redacted. Similarly, records obtained
from T Mobile showed that the Burner's cell phone redacted was used on multiple dates,
including November eighth, twenty twenty two, to access this account. A
review cell records for these two additional Burner cell phones revealed that both cell phones
were used extensively between twenty twenty one in twenty twenty three for prostitution related contacts,
either with seas workers or massage parlors. In addition, cell side warrants
for these Burner cell phones revealed that, just like the Burner cell phones defendant
Human used to contact the victims prior to their disappearances, these additional Burner cell
phones had frequent cell side activity and Midtown Manhattan at Massapequa Park Specifically, the
records revealed that both these Burner cell phones consistently had activity on the cellular towers
that provided coverage to defend it Human's residence in Massapequa Park and his business in
New York City. Legal process served on Google seeking records or accounts associated with
the device identifiers of these additional Burner cell phones revealed a connection to get another
Burner or junk email account namely redacted here after the blank email account. So
it's all been redacted here and that's fine. Google records further indicate that the
blank email account was subscribed in the fictitious name Thomas Hawk. A search aren't
revealed that the I mean, it's going to call it the hockeymailcount. The
hockeymail account associated with Burner's cell phone was used to conduct thousands of searches related
to sex workers, sadistic torture related pornography, and child pornography, including there's
a super long list, all of which is redacted. I'm going to add
something here, which is I have looked up this bailed document elsewhere, and
if you're interested, those redacted sections that Kristen mentioned are available. The New
York Times made a decision to redact them, which is fine if you are
curious to see just a sample of the thousands of searches that he conducted,
some of which are quite disturbing. They are available online. If you look
for this document you can find it quite easily. It was loaded up to
document cloud dot org and is available in an unredacted format. As well.
I'm going to continue with the New York Times here. The email account was
also used to conduct an access of two hundred searches between March twenty twenty two
in June twenty twenty three related to active and known serial killers, the specific
disappearances and murders of Marine Brainard Barnes, Melissa barth Elamy, Megan Waterman,
and Amber Costello, and the investigation into their murders. So he kept going
on and asking questions like why hasn't the Long Island serial killer been caught?
Interesting for you, buddy. He displayed a tremendous amount of interest in the
progress of the investigation into the Long Island serial killer, as well as the
names of his victims and even the relatives of his victims. He would also
search for things like cops launch Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force, so he
was following this very closely. The email account was also used to search for
a number of podcasts or documentaries regarding this investigation. Then you've got some redacted
information here. We've been told by the FBI that very likely the perpetrator and
the Colonial Parkway murders follows Bill and social media and probably watched our TV series
Lovers Lay Murders. It is very possible they listen to this podcast. This
is just an interesting little bit of information that I see that serial killers do
in fact follow their press. They seem to very disturbing significantly. Defendant Hureman
also searched for and viewed articles concerning the very task force that was investigating him.
Now there's two pictures down here showing a search result for Long Island serial
killer, and as Bill said, that opens up to two articles, one
of which is from true Crime News from Oxygen called the Case is Solvable.
New task Force aims to solve the Long Island serial killer case, and a
second one from the Long Island Press stating cops launch Go Go Beach Homicide Investigation
task Force. So that is just a sample of the things that he was
looking for. Very interestingly. I've always found it a little disconcerting to know
that serial killers do in fact follow their press, but I guess it's not
surprising. I still find it maybe not weird, but I don't like the
idea that there is a serial killer out there in this case, the Colonel
Parkway murders case, that is probably listening to our podcast. I found that
a little weird, but it is what it is. A search warrant conducted
on the fictitious AOL account further revealed selfie photographs that appeared to have been taken
by defendant Rix Hureman of himself see below. And you've got two little selfies
of him, one of him doing the old let me look in the mirror
and hold up the hold up the phone and get a photo of myself holding
my phone while I'm taking my selfie in the mirror. He's got one of
those. And then they have one where he looks relatively normal, not ogreish,
not the way that he looks in his mugshot. But he's got two
cellfies that are listed right there on this smail application. These photos were sent
to other peoples to solicit and arrange for sexual activity, further linking human to
the fictitious email account and the burner cell phone used to establish the account.
So two different photos are of the Long Island serial killer alleged Long Island serial
killer. I'm sorry, we need to make sure he's given his due next
definite Rex A. Hureman was further linked to the Burner's cell phone because on
May nineteenth, twenty twenty three, Definite Hureman was observed by law enforcement via
video and field surveillance at a cell phone store in Midtown Manhattan and purchased additional
minutes which were added to this burner's cell phone see images below. And so
you've got an image of Humorman at this mid Manhattan cell phone store, polo
shirt and sunglasses. This also clearly indicates that by May nineteen, twenty twenty
three, which is only a couple of months ago now, he was under
field surveillance. This isn't just a store camera recording him walking into this store.
He's also being followed by law enforcement. So you've got three photographs of
him entering the store, interacting with an employee, and fine minutes for his
phone. Analysis of the AOL account also led to the discovery of another email
account here and after the name redacted Google account used on February fourteenth, twenty
twenty one, to send an image of a prostitute from Upstate New York between
two of Human's secret email accounts. FUR Their investigation revealed that the Google account
was created on February fourteenth, twenty twenty one, using the Burner's cell phone
as the user's phone number, an SMS recovery number, and subscribed in the
ficious name Andy Roberts, the same fake name listed to the target tender profile
and Burner's cell phone, as well as the same alias utilized by defendant human
in communication with numerous potential sex partners responding to his advertisements for sex and using
the fictitious birthday of August six, nineteen seventy two, which corresponds to the
digital ending of the Burner account. In addition, Google provided IP address information
for the users acceptance of the terms of service, which revealed that the terms
of service were accepted on February fourteenth, twenty twenty one. From IP address
redacted significantly. Records were obtained from alties doing business as Optimum, which is
an Internet services provider, indicating that the IP address a definite human's home address
was also and then they redact that as well. But it's the same number,
same number. Yeah, for those of us that don't think about this
very much, all of us have Internet Protocol addresses. I'm looking at two
computers here while we're talking, and they both have discrete numbers. This isn't
something you can erase unless you're going through a virtual private network or taking other
additional steps. Your computer is sending out its addressed to every other computer on
the Worldwide Web it makes contact with and indicating this is my number. All
right, We're getting to the end of the cell phone information here, so
let me wrap this up moreover. Based upon SCPD records for the official website
gilgnews dot com, a website maintained by the SCPD to disperse news pertaining to
this investigation, Defendant Human's home IP address was used on May twenty third,
twenty twenty, and July third, twenty twenty to access the official news concerning
this investigation. Records obtained from jet Blue also showed that the same IP address
was also utilized to book flights for Defendant Human and his wife in twenty eighteen.
When analyzing the usage of all devices and accounts used by Defendant Human,
there appears to be a clear pattern wherein Human used Burner phones and the Burner
junk email addresses to one contact sex workers and sex partners to conduct extensive searches
related to sex and prostitution, violent sadistic and child pornography, and seek online
information about the authorities investigating his crimes. These burner cell phones and email accounts
with fictitious identities were used in an effort to conceal human's true identity, conceal
his criminal activity, unlawfully propositioned sex workers, and attempt to monitor the investigation
of his crimes. They've done an incredible job of building the case electronically.
Their analysis, I think will be very powerful should this case proceed to a
trial. This will be very beneficial in showing the movement of the four victims,
the cell phones they used in conducting their business, and then the use
of the four burner phones, each one disposed of after he killed one of
his victims, all of the Internet search, and then the very strange linkage
whereby his regular cell phone was always at the same physical locations as his burner
cell phone and the cell phone of the two victims that he used after the
fact to taunt their families. So now we're going to get into the DNA
of it all, and the next section of this is labeled DNA analysis of
hairs recovered from the examination of the victims bodies. This is definitely something that
you can go online and find the unredacted copy of The New York Times for
whatever reason, felt that it needed to redact a lot of this information and
that's fine. During the course of this investigation, each of the four victims
bodies were examined by a forensic scientist the Suffolk County Crime Laboratory. There is
about three quarters of a page of redacted information, and then another say half
page in addition to that, but under the heading of forensic Laboratory and number
one, it states and or about July twenty twenty two, Forensic Lab one
was able to determine that each of the aforementioned female hairs recovered on the three
victims each belonged to a female individual in mitochondrial haplow group K one C two,
and that this female was not any of the victims Honor. Around July
twenty one, twenty twenty two, and undercover SCPD detective recovered eleven bottles from
a trash receptacle that had been left out for collection in front of the residence
of defendant Rex A. Hureman. The sefig Canty Crime Lab took swabs of
said bottles, which were subsequently sent to Forensic Lab one for DNA testing.
Based on these new submissions, on or about February twenty four, twenty twenty
three, Forensic Lab one was able to conclude that one of the DNA profiles
generated from the aforementioned bottles taken from defendant Human's residence indicated a female individual belonging
to mitochondrial haplogroup K one C two, which is the same mitochondrial haplogroup as
the female hairs were covered from the three victims. They think what happened here,
and there's more description in the document, is that there was transfer perhaps
of Human's wife's hair on the tape used to either restrain or wrap up these
victims. And the tape was found with the victims and the binding material that
we talked about before, the camouflage burlap fabric. This appears to be a
situation where the offender is using tape to wrap up the bodies and is inadvertently
transferring hair from the woman he lives with, in this case, his wife.
They don't think the wife is involved in the murders. They think that
her hair is being inadvertently transferred as a result of some of this activity happening
at his home. See I was trying to explain that to my boyfriend.
He was like, how would her DNA, how would her hair get on
something? Or she wasn't involved? And I said, it's the same way
that when I'm over at your house for the evening or whatever, if I'm
brushing my hair, some of my hair manned up on your pillow, your
bathroom floor, or whatever, that doesn't mean I was involved in any nefarious
activity that you may get after. And he's not, by the way,
He's a good guy, not of serial killer as far as I know.
I said, that doesn't mean I had anything to do with it. It
just means I was at your place. I know that they're going to be
people who are like, oh my gosh, the wife is involved, because
whilst would her hair be there? You shed hair and skin cells all the
time. Just because your DNA is at someone's house or on someone's stuff does
not mean that you were involved. And so I had to make sure I
explain that to my boyfriend and to my parents. I've done similar explanations for
my family and friends as well. For what it's worth, the FBI had
asked for my DNA and the DNA of my two brothers for elimination purposes because
our DNA would have been inside my sister Cathy's car. The more DNA profiles
you have for elimination purposes, the three Thomas brothers had a legitimate reason to
be riding in my sister's car and leaving behind. As you said, we're
shedding DNA, we're leaving hair behind. It just happens. Anyone that's ever
cleaned their couch or car and found plenty of dog hair, there's plenty of
people hair in there too. I mean, it's interesting if you stop and
think for a moment about the number of people that enter your house on any
given day bills. This is especially true for you because you guys run an
Airbnb. It's not just going to be your DNA and Pamela's and olivers that's
there. It's going to be guests that appear and stay for the weekend or
however long. With you, guys. It doesn't mean that those guests had
anything to do with any crime that takes place there. It just means they
were there as your guest. And I've had to explain that to people before.
Just because your DNA is in a place, it doesn't mean necessarily that
you're involved in an affaious happening. We are going to go ahead and draw
to a close here because my voice will not hold out for two terribly much
longer reading this whole, very long bail application. So we will continue for
a third episode discussing this bail application in the Long Island serial killer or list
case that is going to do it. For this episode of mind Over Murder,
please continue to tune in as we talk about the killer. Thank you
so much for listening to this episode of mind Over Murder. We'll see you
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