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He says, if you're over thirty you wear a backwards hat, I
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shit chance. Yeah. I'll just never get a super Bowl. Yeah,
I'm never gonna win anything. It's because Mahomes is in the way. Really,
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Yeah that's me and Georgia. Actually, oh, you guys are named already
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they'll know because I love them more. All right, let's get into
this week's topic. All right, it's a semi topical but also kind of
evergreen. It's perfect, you know what I mean. That's the bar.
It's like, hey, this is relevant to now, but also I feel
like it's relevant every other year, maybe every day at this point. I
don't know. You mentioned actually Columbia University right before we got on air.
Seems like a peaceful place right now. A lot of people they are pretty
big fans of Hamas. I guess, oh, you know, I'm so
glad. I just stopped watching any news. I'm just on Twitter, like
I'm just looking for like brave highlights and then I are NBA Playoff highlights and
then it's fed. Yeah it's that and people just getting murked. Yeah,
that's true. There are so many people die now on Twitter. Yeah it's
not a good media. I'm never on Twitter anymore. But yeah, it's
depressing. Yeah, it's not good. It just makes you sad. But
uh, I feel like it's been a little you know, it's a modern
political trend, at least modern. Probably it's lasted forever. But you know,
shit don't change. But uh, we're people with big ideas tend to
identify with not great groups. That does happen, right, They tend to
look backward or sideways and be like, you know what, I like them,
listen, big idea. Communism has never been tried, all right,
never once, never truly? Yeah, was it like Marx and the idealistically
marks during the Taiping Rebellion. Funny you should say communism because I kind of
tentatively titled this one, Uh the fake Communists who experienced real Communism. Oh
no, we'll workshop that fair enough. Yeah, that's not great. But
lots of people, lots of people, you know, they identify with if
you're fucking crazy white nationalist racist, the Nazis. A lot of tankies online
love the Soviets and the CCP obviously for some reason. Uh, there are
a lot of college students that think Kamas isn't so bad. Uh, both
sides are getting nuts right now. It's it's popping off it. They're they're
bucking because I'm also seeing the crazy right, just starting to be like,
yeah, you know what what power like? Like? Fuck, dude,
look a lot of running backs are hitting their holes. Yeah. Yeah,
they're starting to own their place on the internet. Will they just see it?
In opening? Oh? I think we're getting right through it. Wait,
you're telling me that this thing, this like thing in our pocket that
makes us feel more connected than ever is just really dripping us like surface level
connection at best, and we're all falling into little power vacuums of our own
and everyone's becoming tribal as shit, no fucking way, Yeah, what's who
would have seen that coming. The interesting thing about most of these people,
though, uh you know that like communism or Nazis or Hummas or whatever.
Uh, they tend to express that belief from the comfort of the United States
or other Western nations with freedom. Sure right, yeah, little armchair quarterbacking
in a way, there's no uh transfer iran in in iron Yeah yeah,
yeah, the stakes are low, is what you're saying. You can just
kind of say stuff. I blanked on Tehran to Tehran, Tehran beautiful city.
I'm never was man. I love those photos of Iranian women in the
sixties just living life, dude. They're actually the pretty depressing ones of like
Afghan women too, like Afghanstan used to be kind of chilly. I guess,
yeah, it's weird when yeah, proxy wars in places, A couple
of those are on us, especially Iran. Definitely not you know, yeah,
shit happens Afgan more than Soviets. Yeah, that's that's not really on
that's not really on us. But yeah, today's today's episode. Uh.
I actually found it on Twitter. Served to me against my will, although
it was useful because it was kind of in reference to someone making sort of
like a Hamas analogy with the Columbia shit. But I saw this guy because
they were making an analogy to a past historical event, and I was like,
that's fucking interesting and laced with irony. Is it someone that killed someone
famously? No? Okay, no, Well I don't think you've heard of
this. You might have just because you know a lot of weird random shit,
but I guarantee you most of our listeners haven't, and probably you haven't
either. But if anyone, if I hadn't heard of this before, he's
trying to say, I haven't heard of it. I didn't know about it
until two days ago. I didn't know it until two days ago. But
I took an IQ test while I was doing the elliptical the other day.
Get my cardio in one twenty, boy, what's up? I don't trust
test. You have to pay for that's one. You paid for that,
so that's one ten, ten ten point. So I did knock myself ten
points. I'm my guy. I did pay for it. You're right.
That's like there's a King of the Hill episode where Peggy takes a genius test
online and then they like get her to pay for shit and it's just rigged.
So it was incredibly easy though, And once t when he's not thinking
of a score, it's like, that's gonna get you in to Gifted.
Yeah, it's like a superior. It's like borderline. It's the sweet spot
really, because you're not too smart. It's the goldilocks of IQ's Yeah,
I think so. Yeah, you're just well balanced. It's like that six
and a half inch dick. That's right, boyfriend Dick. Yeah, boyfriend,
right, Yeah, it's a boyfriend brain. He's not too big of
an idiot to like not be able to do things for himself, but he
won't think too hard to know how to recognize patterns. Yeah, that's that's
important in today's world. Really pattern heavy, dude, There'll be patterns everywhere,
like all the time. That's it. That's all I got. I
just want you guys to take the same test so I can. If you
pay for it the test, I'll do it. I'm gonna add ten for
making you pay for it, all right, Yeah, the two dollars and
go full genius. He's just gonna photoshop one seventy eight. Yeah, but
we should for us though, we take the wonderlic test. Oh the wonder
We could do a bunch like we should just take like the official IQ test
too. And so I want to see who would be the best quarterback brain
wise? Okay, we do for the Patroon or something. All right,
I'm downing that. We'll compare ourselves to historic quarterbacks quarterbacks pre JaMarcus Russell,
John la Oh, I can run a franchise, But who was the worst
one? Was? Jamis had the dogs? Well, no, Jim has
had a really good one, Marcus had a horrible one. Oh, that's
right, and ironically c J. Stroud had a really bad one. He's
good though. Yeah, yeah, you don't have to think, you just
ball, just react. Yeah, just throw it, dude. So you
can't throw a baseball, so it's weird. He's a quarterback to hawks skill
football, different skill the pig skin seventy yards. But you can't throw a
little baseball different skill. Ball too small, yeah, ball too small?
All right. So today, like I said, we're talking about a fake
communist who ultimately gotta taste of real communism. Malcolm Caldwell was born in Sterling,
Scotland, in nineteen thirty one. His dad was a coal miner and
so from the day he was born until he was like fourteen years old,
his life was the Great Depression and World War Two. That's good, that's
good. Grew up in a small, hard scrabble town, middle class at
best, blue collar. Why were they playing scrabble while they're playing hard scrabble?
So is that like Well playing scrabble in Scotland? Brough with those words,
that's gotta be hard, That's what I'm saying. It's extra words with
the Gaelic and so many valves. Yeah, there's extra toiles you've never even
seen before. They don't speak Gaelic there anymore, so you just kind of
got a guess. Yeah, the old people are better at it. It's
just mushmouth. I think I could actually connect with them. Probably. I
probably speak Scottish, right, that's just my normal everyday language. Yeah,
that makes sense. He was well educated. He got degrees from the University
of Nottingham, University of Edinburgh, served two years in the British Army and
their corp of Education, which was compulsory. Wasn't definitely wasn't a patriot.
In nineteen fifty nine he was accepted to the University of London's School of Oriental
and African Studies as a research fellow. So he became a professor at the
University of London. Quite a large swath of studies. Yeah, the kind
of the entire orient in Africa, to be fair, he was only Southeast
Asia really, Oh okay, got it like they had it was the school
was everything, but they had not. I just like to think of him
as like as the one guy. Yeah, we'll be doing Nambia just like
gotta know it all. Yeah, tomorrow, South Africa, love doing British,
He's Scottish. He was pretty much described as how you would think of
an academic socialist communist type person, half the characters from Oppenheimer type situation.
Thin, a little disheveled. Yeah, war suits a lot, but it
was always kind of a shitty suit like elbow patches suit. Yeah yeah,
yeah, never really like wrinkled all the time. Yeah. Just looked classic
academic, classic sort of mid century Western socialist communist type of person. He
was also also described as incredibly courteous and incredibly polite. Nice guy. Yeah,
nice guy. What his peers, what his co workers or whatever,
mostly had a problem with was his academic rigor left a lot to be desired.
So it was a hard worker. That's not quite how I would put
it. To his colleagues, one of whom started out as a student and
who loved him as a teacher and absolutely believed that Caldwell was a smart guy,
called him naive. The quote from him and one of the new stories
I wrote was everyone else in the history department went off every summer to the
archives in Rangoon, Bagdad, et cetera, and got deep inside the data.
Malcolm didn't. He was a man with a very clear theoretical and ideological
views and the empirical basis didn't seem to worry him hugely. So my whole
problem with communism and socialism in general is they tend to think that everyone has
to pull their share, right, like, that's everyone's equal everyone, it's
the it's the core tenet is. I believe it's to their ability for their
need, Like they will work to the best of their ability, to the
maximum of their ability, and they will your share. Everyone's a comrade,
we're all equals, right, But really what happens is the koream rises to
the top, the most charismatic people. Still, it's just capitalism, like
the they've eventually everyone just rises to the well. Although the currency is it's
either charisma or brutality. Yeah, it's But all these people that can't like
leave their house and have to get door dash every day because they can't interact
with society, they're going to be the low end of the total pole anyway.
Yes, yeah, I mean they're never getting anything. The big fluff
communism is ignoring what people do, like, which is seek power and hierarchy.
So people that are more skilled, more charismatic, can just deal with
people on a day to day basis. They're gonna rise, everybody else gonna
be at the bottom. So communism is a very individual thing and it's still
almost it's with people involved. It's a meritocracy still absolutely Yeah, as it
should be. You should be rewarded for doing well well, it's not really
rewarded for like good things. It's rewarded for shutting people up, keeping the
state as tough. But there is a reward system. There's a boot licking
system, there is a there's still a reward system there is, and people
are like, well, you know, this isn't natural and stuff. It's
like evolutionarily where social species, and in every social species in the animal kingdom,
you have hierarchy. It is a constant, whether that communal, there's
still someone up top and it's something we crave as a species. We have
to have that, we have to have an understanding of the place we are
in and it's gonna be a long time before we get rid of that like
or advance beyond it. So like communist when Ai Rocks is to sleep with
the just here's a little pill, yeah, sweetie, The nightmare is over.
Yeah, just be a battery. So yeah, he wasn't super concerned
with evidence. He liked ideas. It's every TikToker ever. Yeah, vibes,
you know, like I just like the vibes of this ideology. But
even worse, he actually did visit communist countries, and because he was so
in love with the idea, he took all their state propaganda at absolute face
value. You that's the way to do it, you know. I just
I like being told something and taking it at face back, right, I
don't want to think about this. No, they say it's great, it's
terrible. Yeah, those all those think. I mean, well, obviously
if one side is propaganda, the other side is telling the truth. How
so like if Israel is telling you it's not a big deal, then it's
probably a big deal. And the numbers that Hamas is reporting totally legit,
not you know, doctored or you know, juiced up at all. They
wouldn't lie. No, who would lie in that conflict? It's too serious.
Why would anyone ever lie? Why would honestly, I don't even think
people lie. Yeah I can't, I would lie. It doesn't make sense.
Why would someone lie It's like, especially when they have a good reason
to do so, why would they do that? Why? Why would they
with they have to be telling the truth. Uh so he went to North
Korea. Caldwell did and apparently praised the quote magnitude of Kim Il Sung's economic
achievements. He wrote that the country was quote an astonished tribute not only to
the energy, initiative and creativeness of the Korean people, but also to the
essential correctness of the juice line. Jewish was like a mixture of ulteranationalism and
self reliance. Okay, so we haven't actually said the name yet, right,
No, it's Malcolm Caldwell. Yeah, Malcolm Coldwell. Oh okay,
yeah, yeah, I even heard of him. I mean, he's just
a guy forgotten to history, just some dude unfortunately. Yeah, because his
story's great. Yeah, we're just ripping him out of what is it,
heaven back into purgatory, Yeah, pretty much. Or I don't think he's
in heaven though, We'll keep going. Yeah, you literally just told me
his name five seconds ago. He's so forgettable that yeah, Malcolm Gladwell.
Okay, close, honestly, Coldwell. What's especially fun about his love of
ideas not really a great need for evidence, and his inability to, I
guess, do anything other than just think he's right, is that he used
his classes to proselytize endlessly about how communism was great and America and Britain and
the rest of the West were evil. I was about to say, like,
all you're doing is describing a lot of professors I had in political science
classes, which is I'm right, this is why, and it's uh,
you get three credits for listening to that. Yeah, yeah, So yeah,
it's like, oh, this guy just wants to be right, and
he's in a position of I gotta imagine some sort of like tenure or he's
in a spot where they're not going to get rid of him. It's okay.
So he he was uh yeah, Well as soon as they hired him,
they were like, oh fuck, he was not who he presented himself
to be, and he never really got promoted or anything. He was Giorgio
O'Leary getting hired by Notre Dame kind of, except he didn't get immediately fired
or leave or whatever the fuck happened, just lying about playing. Yeah,
but he did. They didn't he they couldn't get him out, but they
just never promoted him, gave him a raise or anything like that. Yeah,
thanks communism for not letting us fire people, right, yeah. Uh.
But the students loved him because, like I said, he was still
smart, smart, sharp guy, one hundred percent sharp guy, apparently charming,
really engaging, great speaker, I guess, and he was making them
think communism was as cool as he thought it was. Yeah, I'm sure
he sold it, sold it well. Yeah, he headed up to the
Southeast London Center for Socialist Education, and they are He headed up to the
Southeast London Center for Social Education, and I guess at one point they staged
an event in nineteen sixty six that raised money to purchase weapons for the Viet
Cong. Okay, okay, that's actually action at least, that's not just
like, you know, not to say that I agree with the action,
but you're at least, you know, doing something. Yeah, So go
here. We found this bag of guns, just one, just one bag.
I mean, you can buy guns from wherever. I just wonder how
much that even helped, That's what I'm saying. I don't think the funneling
all types, this was a fucking drop in the bucket they're like, hey,
we got we also got like eight hundred pounds from these fucking weirdos in
England. Uh oh you know what. Yeah, it's like this guy's like,
hey, m check this out, Like hey, sergeantang like get over
here. Oh shit, yeah we got four a K forty seven. Thanks.
Tom Choy showed up with five handguns. Yeah, hell him, Malcolm
all right bro. But uh, as much as Caldwell loved communism the way
you know someone likes punk rock or metal or something like that, you know,
it's like, oh, my favorite type of music is punk rock,
my favorite political system is communism. He had a favorite band. Oh so
to speak well, band the Khmer Rouge. Oh he was big on uh
that's Pullpot, right yep. Yeah man. He thought Pollpot's regime in Cambodia
was fucking awesome. That's insane, that is so insane. He thought they
were like the best version of communist just fun fact, Pullpot's one of those
terrible maniacal leaders that also, for whatever reason, just like the guy in
Africa was like, hey, people with glasses, we gotta kill them.
Yeah, but great name Pullpot. Yeah, the Brandon alliteration Pops Pullpot Pops
Pullpot. Pullpot died, so fuck the nerds. Yeah, that was Pullpot
for sure. He's like, I don't like academics, which is funny considering
this academic loves him. Yeah, but yeah, I believe Pullpot like another
funny story about him. I'm pretty sure he died as an old man.
Pullpot tragically died only a couple weeks into the Great Home Run Race of nineteen
ninety eight between Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa be April fifteen. You didn't get
to see who won. No, you never got to see who won.
That's tragic. That is tragic. That's more tragic than anything he did.
I agree. And also the academic that liked him that didn't do research,
Jake Fair Fair makes sense that Yeah, Campbodia, Mad Chill, Camie Rouge,
good name. Yeah, get it. So it kind of checks out.
Really, before we get into more of Caldwell, let's go over some
of Polepot's greatest hits. Yeah, let's do it now. I wrote this
letter to the outline, but I'll just stay it up front. This is
not even close to an exhaustive list. We could do a whole episode just
on Polepot's atrocity. We could do a four part series fucking crazy. These
are just some of the hits. First off, let's start with one of
the slogans of the Kmie Rouge Polepot's regime. See if this sounds familiar,
different but similar. It is better to kill an innocent person than to leave
an enemy alive. Shoot first, asked questions later. Yeah, no,
no, even worse, which is a a Western ideal of it's better that
ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer. It's the reverse. Yeah,
yeah, it's bizarro U. Poulpot killed about two million people, responsible
for two million people's deaths, which is about twenty five at least percent of
Cambodia's population when he took over. Yeah, it was really bad. Cambodia
is never between Polepot and you know, are bombing. Oh yeah America.
Oh, I'm not saying there's any equivalence here. It's just between those two
things. They got really so Polepot. He's kind of like the Sandy Kofax
of dictators. Right, career cut short. But the I mean the rate
stats just I know what's Asian orange. Then it's a curveball. I can
only take this analogy so far, the metaphors. It wouldn't be a curve
ball, it would just be another player. Oh Asian orange. I don't
know because it's baseball, but I kind of I resent you for using Sandy
Kofax this way. Yeah, I know, he's the only good Jewish athlete.
Yeah, that's our brochure the Hall of Fame. You just ever want
Sandy Kofax. Yeah, yeah, it's that the guy from U c.
L A. Someone countdown to the minute someone spray paints. Kofax is the
bust in Cooperstown. Oh you get some people pissed off about that one.
That's it might actually get us to start talking get up. Yeah, although
it was Caruso Jewish, I'd imagine no, Alex Cruso. That sounds Italian.
I don't think he's the basketball player. Yeah yeah, but i've that's
if that's the number two, that's not great. He starts for the heat,
yeah, or actually the bulls. I'm sorry, Yeah, the ten
seed in the it is what it is. Other fun things. I'm gonna
go between big stats and little things here. A whole family could be executed
for the minor minor offense of one family member Uh. If you were late
to work, you and your whole family could be killed. Quite a few
of the people that Poulpot's regime murdered were racial minorities uh in Cambodia because the
Khmie Rouge believed in Cambodian racial purity. So they were white supremacists, but
of their own race they were. They were racists, massive racist and committed
genocide in the name of it. Husbands and wives were prohibited from arguing with
each other. If they were caught doing so more than twice, they were
either separated or executed. According to two authors who wrote a pretty exhaustive book
on the genocide, John Baron and Anthony Paul, some commissars somewhere in the
country said that any boys and girls caught holding hands primarily could be executed.
They imprisoned and tortured entire families, including women and children, just if they
were suspected of being enemies of the regime. That and by the way you
just named it, the regime popped into jail with your whole family. Everyone
was tortured to death. Yeah, happened to tens of thousands of people.
But were the vibes chill? How'd you do it. It sounds awful,
but well, we'll get to that was it in a cool fashion. We'll
get to we'll get to all that. The tortures were actually so horrifying that
prisoners tried any way they could to commit suicide. They've been try to just
like cut their fucking wrists open with spoons. So their hands had to constantly
be tied behind their backs to prevent them from killing themselves before they could be
tortured to death. Polpot and all them. That is the famous for one
thing you might have heard of, the killing fields mass graves where prisoners were
killed at night. A lot of times they would just use like nails and
hammers because bullets were too expensive, sick, so a slow bullet, yeah,
yeah, just a nail to the brain. Yeah. A special treatment
was given to babies and children. They were taken away from their mother's relatives,
whatever, and they were smashed against the so called Chunkiri tree, which
Nom Chomsky to this day says is a lie. Nom Chomsky, I like
some Gnome books. There's a couple books I like by Chomsky. He is
a called Well is a big fan of Nome, and Nome is a big
denier of anything that happened in Cambody. Yeah, but was it like the
Tree of Life in Lion King? Is Rafiki just chilling up there? That's
where Rafiki gets the things to paint. I you know, I gotta think
that monkeys hopped into that tree from time to time. But it just wasn't
a fun place to live. I'm just saying wasn't impressive. No, there's
ethnically, there's pictures of the tree. It's just a tree. Is Chomsky's
defense that all of this is propaganda by the West? Yes, okay,
I mean that's that would make sense for Chopsky. Yeah. Yeah. And
by the way, this is if you remember from an earlier episode that you
should definitely listen to if you haven't. Uh, this is what Hannah Dustin
Dunstan. I can't remember her last name even though I did the episode went
on a fucking Native American killing spree for yes, because they took her newborn
baby and smashed it against a tree after they kidnapped her. I guess there
is. There's probably some historical relevance to smashing babies against trees. Fucking happens
a lot, apparently. Yeah, we'll do an entire episode on baby smash.
Yeah, now here's what I call baby smashing Volume one. Here's some
fun stuff that I couldn't even dream up. I was so impressed by this.
Obviously, the Polepot regime, like you said, they outlawed glasses and
shit. Yeah, they hated anyone educated. They wanted to be a very
agrarian society, very like they their their former communism was like hippie commune communism.
Yeah, yeah, definitely more of the earth. Yes, yes,
uh. Western medicine was banned because it was capitalist, not wrong. Doctors
were sent to work. Yeah, not wrong, not wrong. It's got
a point. Our medical system's broken. Yeah, I mean wrong in that
you should issue Western medicine because it's capitalist, not wrong that capitalism brought you
a lot of Western medicine. I think the bigger issue with Western medicine is
that it's reactive and not proactive. But that's a topic for or that we
have sales reps. That's the bigger issue. She's like American medicine. And
though more than anything, no that'sposed to Western medicine is socialized. Well,
no, the Western format of providing medical oh yes, what's in New Zealand?
Are the only countries in the world that advertise pharmaceuticals. Oh yeah,
people think that's weird or whatever it is weird. It probably is to a
lot of people. I just tune it out. I don't know. You
know the little Zoloft ball, that a little sad guy that hops around.
He's all sad because he's depressed. He's a depressed ball. But then he
takes Zoe off and he's happy. Like, why is it a cartoon?
Why are you making a fun cartoon? I just saw those epic commercials piss
out your bone mass shoot out zempic. I mean bone and organ weight are
weight, they are those blood weight. If you can care about yeah,
you don't want to be big boned, get rid of your bones. All
that's that tracks. Yeah, If all you care about is a number on
a scale, then by all means take oz. That's all the matters.
Uh. Could be a puddle of skin skin puddle twenty twenty four. Uh
so Western medicine, Like I said, banded doctors were sent to work on
farms if not executed. So a medic who worked inside the S twenty one
prison all doctors, does he have his own doctor? Does he get a
special I'm sure Polepont is not getting treated by the medics I'm about to talk
about. So basically, they just they just there's a whole plot point in
Death of Stalin where they kill all the good doctors and then they have to
go with whoever's left, and they're like, do we want to give Stalin
one of these doctors? Should we go out of state for this? Like
we should probably get someone else. We killed all the good ones. That's
really funny, I did. I just need to watch that movie actually,
and it's by the dude who did Veep, which, yeah, it says
everything you need to know. It's very good and the cast is stacked as
well. So they just started making random peasants medics that sounds good. Gave
them full medical control of hospitals, of treatment of everyone that was normal,
not polepod obviously. I gotta imagine that would be like giving me, you
and Dan full control over a hospital. Talk about DEI am I right?
I guess peasant equity and inclusion? Yeah, pp yeah, uh no,
because you guys aren't sick. Fucks true, we aren't, I think.
Actually, So they just started doing medical experiments, yeah, but not the
sort of medical experiment that like an unethical doctor would do the sort of medical
experiment an unethical serial killer who was given a doctor's coat would do. It's
like gobols or seven thirty one or something like that pretty much, if not
worse, oh, if not kind of worse. Um. At one point
they, uh, a seventeen year old girl who was in prison had her
her throat slit and her abdomen pierced. Then she was beat and just thrown
into water for an entire night, but like not drowned, just like you're
gonna be in water now. Huh. They always did this stuff without anesthetics.
She died, of course. Yeah. Uh. In one hospital,
child medics, child medics, Okay, you have my attention. Cut out
the intestines of a living and I doesn't need to be said, but I'll
say it. Obviously non consenting person. And then they took the two ends
of the intestines that were supposed to not be connected and connected them. Rob,
how else are they gonna learn? All right, they're child medics.
They're gonna get better as time goes on. Well that's why they did it.
Wouldn't it be more efficient to have it all connect? Yeah? It
was really just a lot of let's see what would happen stuff? Uh In
that same hospital. Other they're building towards the future though, right, and
that if they have an eight year old medic, that's a bit what Caldwell
thoughts. So the more they do, the better they get. So by
the time that eight year old medics eighteen, he's he's a like a grizzled
veteran. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. It'd be like putting
a four year old in front of a flat top grill and be like trial
and arababy, you got it. Figured it out. Make a mc chicken
or make a smashburger. Was make mc chicken be pretty easy. We'll just
put that on micro put it and they put in the fryer and it floats.
Pull it then you pull it out, put it on bhind the tongs.
If you're y, I guess yeah, touch the oil. Figure it
out. You will be fined by eighteen four year old in that same hospital.
Other quote, physicians, we're just like, what's the heart look like
when it's beating? So they just found a guy opened his chest to take
a look. He died. That was actually the inspiration for Temple of doom
was it? No, I could be. I don't know it was after
that? Yeah, you gullible son of a beach, dumb bitch man.
Anyway, So, Caldwell routinely wrote in major publications saying that everything I just
said and so much more was all bullshit and that Polepot and Cambodia were like
doing fucking incredible. They were the blueprint for the future. Anything any word
about them essentially was in Western media was anti communist propaganda lies to shame them.
Yo, what if they were right? They weren't. How do you
know? And honestly just sounds like what no child left behind should be.
Yeah, yeah, how do you know they were wrong? How do you
know it wasn't propaganda? I guess I don't take it on faith. Yeah,
yeah, that's what I thought. Sounds like you're letting your prejudice kind
of Maybe you should. I'm all in on the idea. Did do any
research? Wow, look in the fucking mirror, dude, I'll have to
look in the screen. But I think he went into this topic already deciding
what you believe in. I did, I absolutely did. But seems uh,
and you're starting to spin your own narrative seems a little hypocritical. You
guys think I'm gonna get fired from the university I teach out now, Yeah,
probably depends. What are you? What are you speeling? There's just
a lot of fucking I just complained about my wife and kids a lot lot
like just neoliberal philosophies and like, you know, police are good, they
just need reform and you know, just stuff like that. Just very boot
liquor. Yeah, like economy first guy, Yeah, I do have a
whole class on how the Boston mascer was justified police shooting though, as he
should. Yeah, that's that should be the first and last lecture as a
reminder. But yeah, he saw all this death or heard about all this
death and was like, eh, bullshit. So at one point he actually
wrote in the Guardian that uh, because he wrote in papers all the time
too. He was published in a lot of different publications in the UK and
abroad. Big Byeline, this guy. He said that mass murder in Cambodia
was somehow America's fault. And this was after we were gone, This is
we were out of nom at this point. We were not doing things at
Cambodia anymore. But like deaths that were happening where America's fault. He claimed
that malaria that was killing a bunch of people in Cambodia, and even more
than it would have normally, like quite a bit more than it would have
normally because of Polepot's policy of moving people out of cities and into the countryside
to be farmers. He claimed that the malaria had been literally released by Americans.
Bio war Fair got it, yeah, classic, and he uh,
yeah, it's all all because of Americans, even though they were long gone.
He actually cited the Polepot's information minister who Nim, which is funny because
unknownst to Caldwell by the time of publication. So who Nim claimed that,
right, the Cambodians claim that, And Caldwell was like, oh, the
Cambodians side America release malaria. I'm gonna put that in the paper. Sure,
And who Nim was the information minister who put that statement out. Unbeknownst
to Caldwell at the time of publication, who Nim had actually been arrested and
tortured to death and want of Pulpop's prison camps. Yeah, I mean,
you don't want to be high ranking in one of these regimes. You don't
want to be. You don't want anyone to know you exist. I don't
think in this regime in particular, you want to exist at all. Like
people who went to prison were to me, like I need to kill myself.
Yeah, no, I mean right, Jake. That's why you'll never
make it. You just can't thrive in high pressure situations. False. You
never want it. That's why you'll never be a success, because you won't
put yourself out there. You won't be a top of like a murderous communist
regime. You know, would you harvest oysters and middle of a hurricane?
You don't harvest them. You sink the cages. I'm killing you right now.
Sounds like you sink the cages and then you bring them back. That's
how you get killed, Jake. Who you mean bringing information to us dead?
Oh shit, you're right, that's too academic. Yeah what am I
get? Nerd? What am I doing? No? You you think the
sun and the earth and communism and they will protect the oysters? Good?
Very good? Yes, Now go to receive your whore. Oh wow,
it's this kind of vibe. Probably if you do it, you're you're gonna
have horse for good behavior. Did polepot not. I can't. I think
you're golden stars. Good behavior is alive. You're alive. That's the greatest
gift. Never truly alive till you're dead under Polepot's regime, And I don't
know that's living. That's like riding a motorcycle through a hoop of fire twenty
four to seven. Yeah. Did you ever see the top gear where they
drove the easy rider American flows in the top here? Guy, there's the
top gear where they're doing like a motorcycle trip through Vietnam and one of them
somehow ends up like an easy Rider American flag chopper and it's like, dude,
you can't drive this motorcycle through here. But yeah, anyway, I've
heard they don't really dislike Americans anymore. Probably not. Yeah. I think
they were doing like they might have been doing Lao or Cambodia too, and
they were like, mm hmm, maybe Cambodia. I had a buddy that
went over to Asia to teach English and he had us stop in Vietnam.
He had a great time. Yeah. No, I have a buddy that
loves Vietnam any bottom motorcycle and just fucking did the whole tour. Yeah,
but you can get like a suit there like totally accustomed to your body like
for like nothing. Yeah, like a dope one. Yeah, like the
nicest suit you'll ever own. Yeah yeah could It would the flights and getting
the suit and going back be cheaper than going to like Vegas and getting a
tom Ford. Yeah. Probably, that's really funny. Yeah, you just
take out depends what's not my ear? You go three day trip to no
off season. That's like, hey, you want to get a couple of
suits. It's like you want to do the cosmetic surgery here? You want
to go to Turkey and get this hair transplants. Guy, also just get
on a boat, but a hair body different than suit. Yeah, yeah,
true. Turkey's big on the hair transplants, are they Yeah, big
thing in Turkey. The people go to Turkey, people travel there to do
it. That's news to me. It's body mod or like body what do
you what do you want? Cosmetic surgery tourism? Okay, Yeah, there's
a thing. It's like people that go to Mexico for their teeth here,
like people go to Mexican dentists and like doctors and all the time people go
to Panama for like stem cell trade vents. Yeah, like, oh yeah,
I mean I've heard that it's cheaper to like get a flight to Mexico
to like get whatever you need to get. Like you're like, all right,
maybe I'm out of options. I'm gonna go get experimental wild ship.
Not really, because Mexican doctors are actually pretty good. Yeah, No,
it's just like it it's cheaper, all right, Yeah, because our health
system is fucked by insurance. You think the cartel's gonna have some just two
bit dentist. No, No, this guy's got chompers. Dude, do
they choppers and choppers? Man? Feel like I feel like a lot of
orthodonal work outside of the United States isn't great. Uh, that's just your
racial biased dog. Dude. Who's the number one country that has a bad
reputation for teeth? The UK? Yeah, yes, they don't. They
don't value well one, we're not talking orthodontic xenophobe. Yeah, we're talking
dentistry. There's a big difference. Like the amount of orthodontia that happens here
isn't necessarily necessary either. Also, the British just deal with it. They're
like it's not a priority. I think you have a snaggletooth. You just
gotta live with that ship. Yeah. I think the cartel is vain.
They seem it. They have a there's a quite a bit of vanity when
it comes to the cartel. Good at symbolism too, which bleeds very much
into vanity. Makes sense. Yeah, So he also wrote in another or
he also cited in another article another fucking I guess they're ambassador of the UN
who sat who claimed he like he cited this as like it was true,
Like he was just like, yo, this guy shaid it, And it's
fucking true that there was more terrorism on the streets streets of New York than
in Cambodia under polepot What about Chicago? Right? Chicago? Which is like
Putin being like, oh, you think Ukraine's bad? What about Chicago?
Do you call him bad in Ukraine? What happened to Chicago last night?
I don't think the sixteen year olds are hitting each other in the head with
sledgehammers. Putin has essentially done that. But he talks about our intelligence agencies,
which he's not totally off base. I mean, dude, talk about
whatever. I don't give a fuck. He's still worse. Hey, don't
suck than Putin. Yeah, dude, be the world superpower you want to
be? Oh you can't. Why you suck as John McCain's at gas station
with nukes? Yeah, pretty much that's what it is. Yeah, no,
I mean like everyone wants to like there's all these old KGB videos like
oh the American he was like so fucking bad and stuff like do you think
they're not doing the things they were trained to do in that moment when they're
being interviewed. They're there to sew discourse, like yeah, the whole point
is to make you doubt your country, right, So it's like when Putin
goes on our own fucking a like oh the American intelligence of community, it's
like, shut the fuck up, dude, of course, what do you
what do you think he's gonna say? They're so good? They're good?
Sweet? Yeah, Like why the fuck would Putin say anything but negative?
Is about that? This is like use your brain for like ten seconds if
you're watching Putin talk like, he's not gonna be like damn, you know
what. Actually, America's got bars and intelligence. Yeah yeah, you know,
like they're not gonna fuck. He's not gonna do that. It's insane.
I just wish he was like a Yankee fan. Random, but just
like Rocked with the Red Sox. The closest we have to that is Drake
picking a team mid season. Uh, it's whoever he bets on. Yea
fair enough, and it's toically a loser. Well, I feel like Putin
would be an NHL fan of some team. I bet you he. Loki
does root for an NHL maybe Akin for a while until he kind of turned
coat. He's a Penguins fan. Pens. Yeah, why Malcolm Yeah yeah,
Malcoin and Malkin's more. Malkins plays in Russia right now. I think
he just scored a Oh no, no, Malcols I in the army.
I think plays in somewhere in Europe. You're still focks. He does,
still fuck he some chick tried to blackmail him, and he just released the
sex tape on his own, so check it. Oh god, yeah,
Youngurt is the best. I drink that. That was mine? Did you
drink out of mine? Okay, you can get sick now, have antibiotics.
Cool. You gotta reset your entire gut by him. Never done that
once, been doing it? Tell uh So In nineteen seventy eight, Caldwell's
dream came true. He got to go to Cambodia finally to see how fucking
awesome it was. Ce that punk song I believe it's dead Kennedy's Holiday in
Cambodia. Oh okay, Dan, you want to put that in in post?
I don't believe we can use it. Absolutely not very punk for that.
Yeah, uh he the Britain we sing it though maybe we can't know.
I don't know. That's why I don't want to go Green Day Holiday
on holiday. That's the worst Green Day album, American Idiot. There's no
you know Jesus is Suburbia and all fifty five minutes of that song. Though,
fucking guys, Dukie is a good album. Yeah, Dukie's great.
Yeah the minute those guys what to take you had so brave of you to
go on that limb that Dukie is good. Dukie is a good album.
It is, But nobody's arguing that American Idiot is their worst horrible international superhits.
I'm gonna go home and rock some Jesus is Suburbia real quick man,
it's bad all night. Let's into that one song, all five parts not
wake me up? When some timer ends football season again, what wake me
up? On some Tim Morands? What does that mean? It means you
lose, bitch? Yeah finished your top ten? You boys got numbers next
to your names. No, we just got national championships. Now we just
have a quarterback that speeds. Yeah, well j kJ what are you doing,
bro? But she went that fast on the field on Yeah, yeah.
So he was accompanied by two American reporters, Elizabeth Becker of the Washington
Post and Richard Dudman of the Saint Louis Post Dispatch. Actually I did not
know the whole reason. No, I didn't didn't know that until like at
the end of writing this. To be honest, you knew coming on.
Didn't never heard of the guy, and Andy's dead. Never met him,
good, don't know. So Becker had actually of the Washington Post. She
had been reporting in Campodia for a while, reported on the civil war that
brought poulpot and power. She knew everything there was to know about it.
She went to Thailand to talk to Cambodi and refugees. She was she knew
all the shit very well. I've lived this. Yeah, so, yeah,
fuck you. She tried to tell Caldwell, how fucked up the country
was again Caldwell had not been there and called it was like, no,
no, that's awesome because communism is awesome. You know people do that now
with like North Korea. Right, they say all the refugees like they're highly
paid. They are just making shit up for Americans. It's like crisis actors.
Then why did they leave? Right? Yeah? Uh? Also I
assume in their many arguments they had, because she said they argued all the
time that he was like and if there is anything wrong, so obviously fucking
you know, America's fault, the West fault, Like obviously Cambodi is not
doing anything wrong. Man, what a fucking break. Communism has gotten from
like hand waving like it's the only thing that's had such so many atrocities.
I proarp like whoa, I know, well, like if it weren't for
everyone else, we'd be fine. It's the most like fucking narcissistic. It
is the narcissism of political theory. It it's like if it weren't for everybody
else, I'd be great. Communism is essentially like the way people wave it
off is like because a big thing now is like oh the words be built
because everyone else tried to make it fail. It feels like, but that's
not really why it happened. What really happened was it existed in the world
and it's not compatible with the world. So it's it's more people complaining that
they built a house in a flood zone and then that house got wiped off
the face of the fucking earth because again, humans are competitive. Yeah,
well by nature. Also, it's only it only didn't work because people wanted
it to not work. It's like, well, you know, that's a
horrible that's a horrible thing because it's like every other political system started with people
not wanting to get to work. My team only didn't score because the other
team was playing defense. Yeah, okay, well good lord, what what
what about the ones that were right? Yeah, because I'm sure you know,
there was a point where people like, you know, this democracy like
capitalism thing. Not a fan, not a fan, and people didn't want
that to work, but it did. It was two sides competing. Yeah,
holy shit, drives me saying. But for what it's worth, she
still really liked Caldwell, like they were the arguments were even though he was
fucking I don't understand how you can have someone tell you to your face after
you've seen, like, I don't know, met people who were like,
uh, yeah, I was raped by one hundred people. My whole family
was Bayon edited to death. And then this guy's like, no, actually,
none of that happened, and it was old Western propaganda and it happened.
And then and then she's like, honestly hated his beliefs. Super nice
guy, yeah, And at some point you're like, I don't know,
man, I've met so many kids that were raped. I just feel like
you're a dick. You seem like a nice enough guy, malk but fuck
yeah. She said he was a lovely man, very funny, very charming,
a real sweetie like all that stuff. One thing she did not love
about him, though, obviously, was that how he was so ideologically captured.
They should come as no surprise. But there was a book at the
time that was kind of a big source on info, Like it was the
source on the genocide in Cambodia carried out by the Khmer Rouge. It was
called Cambodia Year Zero by Francois Ponchad Poncheaut. Sorry. He was a Catholic
missionary and he was in the Cambodian capital when the Communists took over, and
Malcolm was just like na not reading that. Now. Is it bad to
be religious under a communist regime? Very? Pretty bad? Pretty bad.
They don't like it. For example, I don't know if I mentioned earlier,
but boy did they kill a lot of Muslims in Cambodia. So people
that are like atheism, no blood on their hands. Wrong, very wrong.
Maybe the most in the twentieth century is from they kind of stacked numbers.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Communism not atheism, yes, communism,
like it's the method, right, but they were atheists. Yeah, so
you're getting really picky with what good term you want to go with. No,
I don't give a shit if people don't believe in God. That's just
dumb, if I don't honestly, there and then and those people had a
religion and it was communism. Yeah, that's the status of your religion.
Right. They're not atheists, they aren't. They believe like God like they
thought fucking China. They were like, now is the sun and like,
you know, it's just like okay, whatever, Like you guys are you
guys are a cult still? You just have a person that you believe in,
or a state or it's there's a game by the way where we talk
about how it's like it doesn't matter. There's always going to be a market.
Yeah it does. Oh, you could try to get real religion,
but people are just gonna fucking replace it with other things to be like,
Ah, being a good person's hard. What if I just like check a
few boxes and instead of the boxes being like Jesus and it's you know whatever,
like I'm a good Liberald. Do you do an entire episode where they
replaced God with like an orange vegos mangos, yeah, mengos. Yeah.
People are beaten for making fun of it to uh to quote something similar,
I guess the children yearned for the minds the people yearned for a god.
Yeah. Really, a savior, a purpose. It's a purpose and a
savior or like people you hire per organization, yeah, higher power? Well
yeah, something that simplifies the world. Wait, a fucking hierarchy like we've
just been talking about. Everyone needs someone on top, everyone needs a daddy,
need a daddy. Yeah. So this guy whose entire fucking job it
was to study South Asia took a book that now he definitely disagree with it,
obviously, but he took a book that everyone was like, this is
important. This should be read even if you disagree with it, Like this
is there is this is the information. It at the very least will help
you understand a viewpoint people you're supposed to study or whatever. He was like,
no, it says mean things about my favorite band. Yeah, he
would crush today as a professor, I think I can tell this is bullshit.
Yeah, that's that. So he also never took the book seriously because
another thinker who he admired, Noam Chomsky, already said it was bullshit.
Since Nome said it with bullshit, he was like, oh, good,
I don't need to read it. That's just doubling down on bad practices as
an academic. Yeah, but yep, yeah, no, I'm sure Nome
read the fucking book. Now. What's fun about Caldwell said never reading the
book is that he wrote in The Guardian that the book was bad and wrong.
That seems right. Could not give specific examples, however, just the
whole concept really, like, the whole idea of the book is wrong and
just regurgitated. When he heard Chomsky, no, I'm saying if this doesn't
sound like every dude here now everyone on what the fuck are we doing?
Like this is every fucking person I here speak today with the exception like four
mm hmm Carl. Absolutely, Tucker's Tucker's fucking in fact, it's Tucker real
quick that in Russia. God fuck that. Actually he said something on Rogan
the other day. I didn't. I don't listen to Rogan, but I
caught the clip, uh that we that America is evil for nuking Japan,
And obviously I just wanted to lose my fucking mind. Who's Sucker appealing to
you? There? I don't. He just says things I don't know.
He went to a rushing grocery store and was like this is great. Yeah
yeah he dude. He was like, I only spend one hundred dollars on
groceries. The average Russian in come a week is two hundred dollars. Yeah.
That and the my favorite part about the whole grocery store trip. He's
like, oh, so you put a little coin in and you get your
grocery cart this and then if you turn it, you get it back.
This prevents vagrants from keeping grocery, doesn't It's doesn't because they easily have a
quarter on hand. And also hilariously actually respect to Tucker for this too rich
to have ever shopped at Aldi. Right. Also, you put a quarter
on a string, you just pull it back out. A lot of ways
to do it. Yeah. Also, or also you put the quarter in
if you're just a good hobo, if you're a real like hobo hobo,
you take the cart back to your camp and then you break off that fucking
handle and get your quarterback. Yeah, yeah, if you really need it.
There's so many ways to get the quarterback. Also, treating a stores
all these stores policy like a Russian staple of It's just like, you know,
Costco is a great return policy, you know where it doesn't American like
whatever it is, right, It's like, that's just a store, dude,
Yeah, that ain't Russia, Like, how are you? How are
you ty trading this down to this because people want it to be done that
way for them. It's fucking terrible. But also, despite having not been
to Cambodia yet, Caldwell wrote his own book called Compacea, which I think
is the name of the party in Cambodia or whatever, a rationale for rural
policy. He wrote that the Polepots revolution quote opens vistas of hope not only
for the people of Cambodia, but also for all peoples of all other poor
third world countries. So again, this is not just communism. It's awesome,
but this version of communism, is it. Yeah, he sounds like
he's trying to get some sort of ambassadorship in the state. Is what my
guess would be. Well, like I said, he got his dream,
he got to go to Cambodia. Him and the two reporters were taken around
the country and shown stage scenes of this and that, blah blah blah.
If you were to take anyone in America, like someone visiting America that didn't
believe, like, what what does your staged America trip look like? Where
are you taking people to? I don't need a stage, you don't have
to stage ship. You go to the fucking Randalls in Houston, say you
do, right? Yeah, we go into the Daytona five hundred, doing
Daytona five hundred. You're doing Kentucky Derby. You're doing the Masters. Not
I don't think that you do the Masters. No, that's the elitist it's
not grand enough. Yeah, Kentucky's gorgeous and everything, but you need like
fucking monster Jym Jacksonville. Yeah, Monster Jim. Let him see the weekend
in Daytona. I think that's it. Just the Super Bowl, baby,
just Florida for a week. Yeah, yeah, just come through. We
got you, dude. Take him to like some mid ass shit. I
mean a lot of Westerners, even like British people and stuff, they go
to like college football games and they're like, how the fuck this isn't even
your most popular football league. No, you've seen the clip of Stephen Fry
crying at the Iron Bowl, right, No, He's like, I this
is just a regional bout between two colleges in a state. It's like,
what the fuck? That makes sense to people in the UK. Though with
soccer, yeah, it's a similar vibe that in all honesty, Europeans should
connect with college sports over professional sports. It is more similar, but they're
not putting one hundred k in the stands. The magnitude at so many,
the volume and the and like again, like you said, like the jet
flight to me, Like, dude, like random Mazoo games will be playing
like North Dakota State and stealth bombers fly over. Yeah, because they're stationed.
I'm like five miles away. The cost thing ever, Dude, we
had like a B bomber fly over the swamp one time, and it was
just like so low in that stadium, so high that I was just like
fuck like, it's just like you had to cover your ears, like hurt
so bad. It was awesome. I love it. It's yeah, it's
fucking incredible. Just fucking like, our tax money pays for these fucking planes.
You better fly him over some sports hell. Yeah. Yeah, there's
a lot of patriotism that I think is lame in American sporting. But I
will never be bad at the jet flyover. No, it's cool. It
rad and it gets you fucking gashed up. Yeah, if I was a
player, like fuck yeah, like you run out of the tunnel. You
hear that, You're just like, okay, yeah that's cool. I think
we can work on our anthem, but we have a lot of other symbols
and everything are pretty solid. Yeah. No, I'm just saying I ad
a little bit more like solo guitar. Oh yeah, just the Jimmy Hendricks.
Yeah, just like let it ride, let it be longer. Okay,
I'm into that. Give me some solos. Yeah, I want,
like, but it needs to be American. But yeah, like you said,
like the electric guitar, it's just like Phil Lesh and like fucking just
jamming out for like twenty minutes. In between the verses back, you're like,
whoa, what add in like a voodoo child riff. I'll tell you,
I'll tell you what, dude. The Super Bowl I was at,
uh in San Francisco. The was Peyton Manning's last game, the one thing
he won, uh, the second one they won went Denver. Lady Gaga
sang the national anthem and a if you don't like you can not like Lady
Gaga or whatever, but like undeniably great voice, like she's an actual singer
singer, not like Britney Spears or some shit like that, like brilliant,
ugly. Uh dude. I was like pretty drunk already, and on the
end of like three days of injuring my god, I was moved to like,
well, weld up, weld up, like just it was powerful.
I was like, it's fucking incredible. Okay, Okay, I just wanted
to let you know our national anthem gets me going. I'm cool with it.
Cool. But also I was pretty emotional because uh my dopamine was becaus
all at that point. It so on two adderalls, just trying to keep
me awake. Fun. It gives the drugs. It was a good time.
It was just the drugs. But what's it happened? So it was
you're in tears? I didn't didn't stream, but I well, yeah,
well, well I love that kind of hangover. Rewatch something and you're like,
oh no, you get too emotional, like shit, yeah, I
don't even know why I feel this way. Chemicals, dumb. I thankfully
it didn't happen to me today because I'm pretty sure my my oldest son learned
about death today. Oh sick. We came to grips with his own mortality
at too. H Well, he wanted to watch a cartoon about elephants.
Oh no, so I put on Babar from HBO. Yeah, Babar episode
one right, Season one, episode one incests cartoon. Yeah, and I
didn't know that. In episode one, Babbar's mom gets absolutely blown away by
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married his cousin. He didn't have premium camele girling him. Uh.
Sorry, we didn't all have fucking lawyer parents. Uh. I didn't have
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that and he's eating dinner like twenty minutes later, and he's like, man
killed elephant. And I was like, yeah, I killed the elephant,
and Courtney was like, no, what what are you talking about? Don't
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want to swing and was just looking down at his feet. Oh no,
and was like pouting, And I was like, what's wrong. It's like,
that's like, hre, he's sad? Are you sad? He's like
because the man killed the elephant? Because the man killed the elephant. At
some point you got to learned, man. They put all that death in
those Disney man I tot it was fake. Oh yeah, and they cheered
right back up. Yeah. I just lied to him. He thinks he's
gonna live forever now. Oh perfect. Yeah, keep it going now,
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of an ego. Yeah. Now I think he's gonna live forever. He
thinks he's immortal, but Rory won't die. Everyone else will actually want to
freak him out something. Everyone else will die but you. Yeah, yeah,
You're gonna float through space all this live, Rory. You gotta wait
for the heat death man. Sorry, it's gonna be set out years.
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stuff. Even Caldwell knew they were staged because he had been to communist countries
before, and he just sat in the car and laughed about how clumsy it
was. But he didn't care because he was like, Eh, every country
tries to make it look better than it is, so what's the big deal.
But Becker, who was there for the whole Civil War, was like,
no, they're fucking killing and torturing a ton of people. She quote
said, one of the problems was the absence of what I saw, the
absence of people. There was no one in these cities that they were getting
taken through. And that's the different kind of proof too. I don't see
and that's differ kind of proof too. I don't see any people being executed.
She couldn't see any people being executed because they were all already dead,
and only the people they were allowed to see. You were there. They
returned to the Cambodian capital, which Dudman, the other reporter, said was
totally deserted, a ghost town. It was haunting, but Calbwell was like,
this is wonderful. This is every bit as great as I thought we
built this city. Yeah, dude, fucking ate dumb bones and school.
Yes, there you go. So as if things couldn't get any better for
Caldwell, with a day left in his trip, he finds out he's going
to get to meet pole Pot. What he gets to meet? Literal hero?
I hope he doesn't have his occupation under his name badge. Oh they
know who he is? Okay, good? One thing? Oh no,
did he get kashogeed? You get pull Potted. One thing Caldwell loved about
Polepot was that he was really focused on agrarianism and food self sufficiency. Uh
like I said, he like he. Caledwell also identified a lot with the
hippie commune sort of communism of the Earth type of situation. He thought that
there was gonna be food shortages. He also at one point predicted that Earth
would run out of oil in the nineties. Heard that one before. Yeah,
he wasn't you know he just said, I think that would be like
a fun thing to say. Again, he wasn't a big data guy.
Vibes, vibes again. We've talked about this in previous episodes. Make predictions
for when you're dead. Yes, yeah, like I've been saying for years
that the top soil will degrade. In twenty or twenty two hundred, we
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have beachfront property in Wyoming by twenty one twenty one. Yeah, that sounds
right. Joke's on us. We're going to live that long somehow, damn
it. You're right, Yeah, modern healthy. I mean, if there's
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know, live forever, it's his generation. Yeah, that's true. You
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Yeah, oh I need to watch that. It looks really good.
I actually like Loki have had a huge crush on a crush on that actress
for a long time. What else has she been in? She got big
guys, Big Guy. Yeah, I can't look it up right now,
but I've always been like, gosh, she's pretty fucking hot if you want.
Yeah, you can look it up if you want. Uh, Ellie
something like that or Ella. She was in that zombie movie on Netflix with
Dave Bautista, but she was in something before that that. I first was
like, Oh, she's super hot, but Goggins is in it. Goggins
faults, I do. I watched The Shield when I was in like high
school. It was been Goggins guy for a long time, way back.
Anytime he plays any variation of a cowboy, I'm in you have to be
he is a cowboy, Like it doesn't matter what he's playing. He's that.
Only real Goggins fans watched his CBS sitcom though obviously his best world though
is probably Haifol eight. Now Shane in The Shield is up there. He
was fucking in the Shield, not talking about the Shield man. Yeah,
stop talking about the Shield. Rob always just once they come in here and
talk about the Shield. I'm just saying, Michael Chickliss, Walton Goggins,
You guys don't know what the fuck you're talking Pounder. We can't make Rob
stop talking about the Shield. I'll never stop talking about the Shield. I
don't even want to think about Michael Chickliss's dumb head. Honestly, that's your
fault. That's your old fucking thumb man. When Robin Courtney get divorced,
it'll be because of the Shield. M we it's all, it's all.
I'll let play when we make love. I'm pretty sure there's a dictator or
a serial killer that was like obsessed with Michael Chickliss in The Shield came too
late for Saddam because it would have we invaded Iraq like a year or two
after a premiere. Oh you know what, I think it was Michael Kunanan,
who's like the guy who killed Versace. I think he was like obsessed
with the Shield. Want to say, you got who's saying and the guy
that killed Versace mixed up? I didn't see I'm taking I'm just I'm naming
a dictator and like Hussein would make sense. But it came out in like
oh one, roh two, and he was obviously we invaded Rakano three,
so he only even got a season or two it. Man, Yeah,
he might have really liked it. Though. We should do an episode on
the Hussein brothers. Oh and Kuseeah. I've been thinking about it. It's
just so brutal, dude, it's so hard to like, we cover the
Tupac parties. Dude, Tupac not a great guy. You can't really cover
without covering what they did. One was way worse than the other, but
they were both very bad. Also, Tupac very feminine. Two bucks a
man, Dude, Tupac one you ever see like early videos of him trying
to get into like art school instead of not art school, but like like
a theater school. Didn't he go to a theater school? Yeah, but
like his auditions there was like an art school kid, which is like,
he's just very self spoken and very flamboyant. When he was in prison.
The album that helped him out and changed the way he wrote lyrics before Macavelly
was August and everything after By Counting Crows. It had such a visceral effect
on him. It changed his writing style, which totally tracks with what you're
saying. They were all yellow. That's cold Play that's Cold Play. Yeah,
uh, put up a puck. That is not that album. That
album sucks? Is that still Counting Crows? That is still Counting Crows?
That song? But I think mister Jones and me, mister Jones, Wow,
what people want to hear is us fucking take count anyway they want they
come here for shield content in County to two thousand and four is like our
wheelhouse. Not really, that's fucking like Bill Simmons wheelhouse. Yeah, we
don't want to be those guys anyway. So Paul Pot's plan one thing you
love Paul Pot's play was a massive increase in rice production to finance everything in
Cambodia, right, export rice, blah blah blah uh. It required from
the state, collectivism and literal slave labor. They're called well preferred to see
the effort as spontaneous revolutionary spirit, which is a fun way to distray describe
slavery. Yeah, it's good, You're only a slave to help everyone else.
Well, rob Egyptian slaves actually had to pay twenty percent to the pharaoh,
and like, if you think about it, we pay twenty five percent
to the Gubbles slaves. I've always felt like a slave. If your job
is mandated, you are a slife of a slave. And then you also
pay a sales tax and property tax. Noble taxing wasn't supposed to be a
thing with triple and quadruple dip. It's it's kind of like a double jeopardy
though, right, if there's all these taxes, that doesn't really count.
Yeah, you just don't pay them, Okay, way to do. You
should go to tax dollar and you should be like, I'm not paying sales
tax. Yeah, I'm paying what I owe you. You said the hamburger
with six dollars, here's six dollars. The tax is your problem. Yeah,
you figure out the fifty four cents or whatever. Yeah, that's your
fucking problem. So it didn't work out. There was a famine. Should
a ton of people died? Uh, someone had to be blamed for the
famine, So it should a ton of innocent people were arrested in torture to
death whatever. Uh. Caldwell didn't care, didn't look into it. Thought
it was Western propaganda. So he had his meeting with Polepot and he left
the meeting a happy man. He returned to the guest house he was sharing
with Becker and Dudman just with nothing but praise for pole Pot and Polepot's political
outlook. He, according to Becker, he quote, he thought he had
a good conversation. He avoided at all costs any discussion of Vietnam, and
he was looking forward to going home. So one thing a lot of people
don't realize at the time is that Cambodia and Vietnam, even though they were
both communists, enemies, enemies, they hated each other. In fact,
a couple days after the trip, Vietnam invaded Cambodia. I like to think
that all the child medics that they had were called pots, tots, potts
tots, that's gonna pot, what's she gonna do, what's gonna do?
Make a dreams come true? Called them. That's the only thing that they
should be called. So the translator at the meeting between Calledwell and Polepot remembered
a very pleasant exchange conducted in a spirit of enthusiastic agreements. So they were
like, yeah, that is awesome. No, that's great too. At
the end of the meeting, pole Pot quote personally invited Caldwell to return the
following year to measure how the revolution had prospered. That night, called well.
The reporters had dinner. Afterwards, Dudman went to his room, Becker,
Uh and Caldwell apparent, according to Becker, stayed at the table to
have one last argument about Cambodia. Uh. She was like, no,
this place is even worse than I thought it's getting. Really it was horror
well when I covered it, now it's even worse. And he was like,
I think it deserves support. I think it's doing great, the revolutions
on the right track. And she was like, absolutely not. And he
was like, let me try to change her mind. She was like,
you can't, and he didn't, so they went to bed. A few
hours after they went to bed, Becker was woken up by gunshots. She
opened the door. There's a young man outside of it. He pointed a
gun at her, and she ran back inside. Dudman also heard the gunshots,
woke up and looked out of his window saw a file of men running
along the street. He went knocked on Caldwell's door, he said, they
said. They both spoke for a minute, and then a heavily armed man
approached. The man shot at the floor in front of Dudman, and Dudman
ran back into his room, slammed the door shut, the guy fired two
shots through the door. Both Dudman and Becker the reporters hid in their rooms
for the rest of the night. Several hours later, they were called back
out by an aid and they were told that Caldwell had been shot and killed.
Why that's the question. Yeah. Uh. Nearby Caldwell's body was the
body of the gunman, allegedly who uh Becker thought was the same guy who
pointed a gun at her. So the death was The gunman's death was ruled
a suicide. But who the fuck knows? So what the fuck? You
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yeah, yeah makes sense, that foolishness of hers to love me. Uh.
So there's a couple of theories on how this happened. Why this happened.
An Australian communist who had a radio show uh said that doctor Caldwell was
murdered by the Cambodian authorities because he had discovered some facts and had probably made
his views known, although a lot of people discount that. They say he
had a list of names. Yeah, first off, he's not doing the
research. He's not doing the research, and he's their biggest fan. People
don't think that's That was what one person said and probably not what happened.
Probably know what other people say. Uh he had a list of names about
whose fate he wished to inquire, but was still completely in support of the
pullpot Common government. But maybe he brought up a name that wasn't so good.
We don't talk about him. M He also privately told some people like
so again he was number one fan of Pullpot, but he was a Communist
in general, and he didn't maybe think Vietnam was as bad as other Cambodians
did, and maybe said something of the effect to Polpott and was like,
well, I know Vietnam is an enemy of yours, but like I mean,
can't we all just come together and fucked the West? Yeah? Shut
the fuck up on that one, right, like right, no, no,
no, shut up. Yeah. British intelligence believe that Caldell was murdered
on Polepot's orders. He's like, we can't have him coming back in a
year, right, Yeah. It is worth noting that, uh Caldwell did
wear glasses. Well the academic and glass is sure, isn't the fucking audience?
Yeah? Yeah. Uh. Polpot himself had a theory. Like we
said, pull Pot died, dude, I kind of like Pullpot. Now
he's throwing his hat in the mix, like, yo, you know what,
I think that's good. I like that Pullpott died in ninety eight,
so I hit a theory. According to his biographer, he told aides he
believed that Dudman was the killer. The other reporter that he that Dudman was
a CIA agent, and he had murdered called Well to trying to make pole
Pot look bad. Yep, yep. Uh. Dudman thought that people the
people who killed Caldwell were anti Polepot agents. This was a popular theory that
either Vietnam or someonet or just people in Cambodia who wanted to fuck over Polepot
murdered Caldwell. Okay, okay. There's also a theory that pole Pott had
called Well murdered as a false flag to frame Vietnam. Oh, like Vietnam
did it? Yeah, yes, makes sense. Yeah, who can say.
Polepot's secretary later recalled though about Polepot in general. That's what he said,
quote Pulpot, even when angry, you could never tell his face.
His face was always smooth. He never used bad language. You could not
tell from his face what he was feeling. Many people misunderstood that he would
smile his unruffled smile, and then they would be taken away and executed.
God old Polepot just looks like someone's grandfather. Yep, just normal dude.
He just looks very basic, looks like a nice guy. But like obviously
earlier, he definitely has more of a like dictator look about him. Yeah,
Pulpot's just like playing majog in someone's basement, like pretty fucking much like
terrible haircut. I think that's a requirement. But in his older age,
he just kind of it just looks like, yeah, he would watch a
baseball game. He was following that fucking home run. Race Becker, the
reporter who was there throughout all the Civil War and was there the night he
was murdered, said, don't apply rational thinking to the situation. It was
crazy, crazy. Malcolm's murder was no less rational than the tens of thousands
of other murders. Malcolm Caldwell's death was caused by the madness of the regime
he openly admired in an editorial about his death at the time. Another British
paper, The Daily Telegraph, wrote, no doubt his murderers thought his death
necessary to their revolution. Malcolm Caldwell's life thus reaches a dreadfully appropriate apothesis.
What does that mean? Ending, Yeah, my man's not working with hypothesises,
hypothesis, hypothesis, hypothesis, hypotheses, any of it. I think
he just like goes all in. It's like this is the truth. Pullpop
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that is all I've gone for today. I have an extra question.
First, who do you think had called Well killed? All right? I
mean I gotta go with my guy, Paul Pot. You think Pot like
he left the room and pol Pot was like, eh no, I think
he was right. I think it was his boy. Okay, just trying
to think it was done. Oh you siding with Popop? I gotta go
with Pole Pot. Yeah yeah, uh you know what it probably like,
in all honesty, it just was like a bribe gone bad or something.
What do you mean? Like they were probably just like shaking him down for
money or something like that. And he's like, why do you do so
you think it was Rando's It was just a rogue soldier And that's what I'm
saying, Like the guy that you know killed himself. They were just like,
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they marked him. Yeah, and they're like, we don't know I bet
it was something is not be nign obviously considering the circumstance, mayby just miscommunication.
Yeah, I mean right, wouldn't that make sense like shouting at you?
Yeah, or Cambodian or kim but yeah whatever is that whatever they I
don't know what Cambodians speak, but yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go with
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of used to, right, French chairman, although I'm sure, but Khmara
is it's like Han, right, so it's what's that is an ethnicity I
believe. So they were like kamer supremacists. You speak Mexican, right,
Yeah, just named three giant countries that don't do that. No, I
know, what'd you guys learn today? Sometimes you gotta do your own research.
I don't think you did. No, I think that's the problem.
Yeah, yeah, No, I think I learned about this, dude,
but I did not learn anything I didn't already know that. Yeah, nobody
really wants to dig into the details. Nobody wants to learn, especially when
you're already going with the bias. If you're steadfast in your beliefs, it's
gonna be really hard to Like, if your beliefs can't be swayed with more
information, they're not beliefs. Well yeah, if your viewpoints can't be swayed,
like if your philosophy, right, like, if you're whatever you're championing
camp, you're strictly famo. Yeah. It's a faith based belief system and
not a fact or information based one, which means you shouldn't be in academia.
Yeah, no ship yeah uh. And who is today's hitler? It's
pullpot Nerds maybe, Yeah, who's done more damage? Pullpotter Nerds? Hard
is hard to say on that one think nerds really the atom bout? Yeah,
nerds me the atom bomb, So I mean Poulpot killed more people than
the atom bomb did. Uh. Well, Now for communism, though we
know that's the eventual end of the world. True, just do it already.
I do want to quit fucking flexing. I've been playing Fallout and I
want to I want to play fall Out. You can't play it on the
switch right now though, So hopefully that happens, so well for Jake Goldman
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