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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. This is your host Alejandro

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Rojas, and I am here with
my good friend Martin Willis. I've gotten

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a little bit of feedback and I
would like to hear your what you think

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of this, Martin, Some people
miss h when I give you. I

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used to give you that little nickname
in the middle. You know, I'd

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say Martin, goofball Willis or something
like that. I use that one a

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lot, Goofball, I probably use
it the most. But you rolled your

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eyes, so it seems like you
don't miss it. No, some of

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them were really funny and uh,
but you know, I never know what

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you're gonna say. Yeah, you
know, and it was kind of like

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an improv thing. Yeah, what's
going on? It hurt? Did it

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ever hurt your feelings? That's cleaning
my lens. You think I'm gonna say

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that on the air. I'm gonna
just I like to clean my lens and

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do adjustments on my camera wearing the
showing the show. In fact, I'm

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gonna move it maybe just like here. It's so funny. I tweak during

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the entire show. You've probably noticed
I shouldn't do that. Oh, and

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it's time. It's the time of
the show. This reminds me there was

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a time of the show on uh
pee wee Herman and I forget where.

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I guess there were lots of times
where the male man came to the window

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or something. Okay, who I
think was Phil Hartman. You got really

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excited about that part. But it's
just like that when Stacy right from Phoenix

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Move On, pops in and says
hello, we have that kind of pee

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wee Herman moment where we got this
Oh look at Stacy, Hi Stacy.

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Yeah, Hi Stacey. It looks
like she's in She's good buddies with my

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girlfriend Karen. Who Karen, Stacy's
in here, at least for now.

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She was curious. Hi Stacy.
We all say hi, but yeah,

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lots of other people in here.
Derk Renee Louise. I'm going to talk

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about Louise of the Unidentified Celebrity Review
because I was just watching a couple of

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his videos that I thought he brought
up some interesting points I wanted to talk

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about. Yeah, but you know, and this really has turned into I

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was talking to Karen about this before
kind of an AMA like, you know,

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you can join the live here on
YouTube, So if you have questions,

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please do come in and ask because, as you all have noticed in

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the past shows recently since we've been
doing this, we go off on tangents

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when people ask the messages and we
answer questions or just go off on weirdness

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or whatever when people do ask questions. So in fact, somebody just asks

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a question right now. Question for
you, Martin, did your interview with

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Streeber in any way change your views
on either him or his story? And

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it is Streeber is how you pronounce
it? Go, Yeah, well maybe

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we should call this an amaa ask
me almost anything. But no, that's

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okay, I'll answer that question.
I can't ask you about this. Yeah,

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no, no, it's like another
guest appearance by one of our guests

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who come to the show. Pumpkin. Oh the dog, Yeah, the

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cute little dog. Oh, I
see the little tiny thing. That's the

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designated spot that dog Layson, I've
seen it. Yeah, it's his favorite

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spot. Yeah. I kind of
keep an eye on the kitchen, on

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you, everything else exactly. He
keeps an eye on me and the kitchen.

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So someone goes in the kitchen and
does something, or if he wants

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to come over and get a pet
or make me do something. I'm essentially

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a slave. If he wants to
go outside, he comes over. If

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you want to pet, if you
want to food. So that's I'm ready

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to answer that question. Still,
I knew what I was getting into when

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I interviewed Whitney. You know,
there was a lot I've taken some bashing

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because I didn't take him to task, which I have taken other people to

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task on some of my shows.
So I understand why people are saying,

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well, why do you do this
to this guy? Not to this guy?

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But I knew what I was getting
into when I invited Whitney on and

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I let him do his Whitley on
and I let him do his thing.

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Basically, I question to him right
off the bat, and the first thing

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I said to him in five minutes
was, you know, you're a great

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fiction writer. What do you say
to the people that say this is not

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fiction? You know of your abductions
and things like that. And he said

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he's been asked that question seven hundred
and fifty thousand times. His exact words.

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I said, well, add one
more to it. Anyway, He

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kind of he did his thing.
There's some of the things that are way

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out there. You know, maybe
some of the things happened to him.

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I'm not really sure. He's a
He's a very intelligent man. He's a

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great storyteller, and we talked quite
a bit off air. I'm actually going

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to be doing some appraising of art
for him, and I enjoyed the conversation.

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That's all I got to say.
I don't look back. I rarely

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ever listened to my past shows or
podcasts, but I listened to a good

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part of that one, and I'm
not unhappy with it. So but I

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would the question specifically, was I
think it's a good question. Did this

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change your views of him or his
story? I could be a politician,

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couldn't I I did a pretty good
job with that. But but that's why

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you rel me back. I'm getting
out of you, I will say,

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going around the question, I'm going
to get the answer from you. I

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will see that's all you want,
buddy, All right, here it goes.

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Uh. As I said in the
beginning of the answer, I knew

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what I was getting into. So
in that case, I would say,

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no, I'm not my mind has
not changed on what I think about Whitley.

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It's that didn't move in any which
way. See everything you just told

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me makes perfect sense to me,
because that's exactly how I feel. I

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like talking to Whitley. He's his
brain is very interesting. He doesn't live

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in reality. And you know,
I'm I'm you know, like you,

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I challenge people, but if I
did an interview with him, I do

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it like you, because when you
interview Whitley, that's what you get,

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and that's his charm, that is
him, and for me, he's kind

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of like in this almost fantasy world
all the time. His brain is just

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always thinking about the what ifs and
contemplating what if, what if this?

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Or what if that? And alternate
realities, which is what makes him special

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and why he's like a famous author. If you're going to get it's not

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really someplace where you're going to get
to truth. I don't think it's not

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necessarily research, but it is really
interesting what ifs. And I feel the

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same. I feel intrigued by what
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feel compelled to challenge him so much. Well, you know what would happen

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if you challenged him click? He
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I don't think so you don't because
I feel like I have done it.

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If you do it in a nice
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like we're good at you know,
he'll answer, but it'll be an

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answer for a researcher that'll probably be
unsatisfactory, but because he's happy to say,

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I don't know, just thinking,
you know, just speculation, could

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be could be something totally different,
even with his own experiences. Yeah,

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you're right. I mean there's ways
of challenging someone, which I did at

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the very beginning, a soft way, and then there's a way you can,

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you know, be abrupt about it. And that's that's when you're right.

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I mean, that's when I do
think he would hang up on someone.

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See and people are our guys who
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agreeing with us that you know.
I know, for instance, two people

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who have commented are Dirk and at
Astra, and I know they feel like

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we do. They're good researchers,
intelligence guys who want to get the answers.

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But they both say, no matter
what you think of him, they're

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interesting. He's an interesting interview.
Dirk says he's interesting and friendly. At

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Astra says he's never not interesting,
and he says, but I swear he

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has a bicamera mind. I don't
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I think he just is that he
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and he just kind of whatever is
on his mind or whatever's going on out

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there he's sharing. Which I had
just one more comment if I can.

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I had someone from the retired gentleman
from the Defense Defense Department that listens to

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the show Real Nice Guy, and
he he basically commented, you know that

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if these visitors that Whitley talks about
had all this information, then why why

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is any of the information behind the
paywall on on Whitley's website. That type

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of thing like monetary shouldn't mean anything
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visitors. If that's that's the case, I don't you kind of get where

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he's going with this. That's what
I'm saying. You shouldn't have anything to

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do with money should happen. Yeah, be free, free information for all.

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That's not the way the world works. You can't get this information out,

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and you know, especially at this
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to completely disagree with that person is
you can't get any news about anything.

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And I'm sorry, UFO people.
Obviously I'm very interested in this topic,

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but there's a lot more important things
going on that are affecting people's lives,

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existential issues. This is not as
existential an issue as many others that are

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going on right now where people's livelihoods
or safety are directly threatened, and those

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topics you've got to pay to get
information on those topics to COVID. I

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mean New York Times, La Times, San Diego Tribune, the Easy Family,

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you know, speaking of some of
the places I live, I'm sure

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it's the same where you live.
News is no longer free because everybody's trying

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to figure out how to monetize it
because traditional you know, ways have gone

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away, namely print. So so
you got to pay for information. That's

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today's world. So I don't know, I don't I don't buy that as

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an argument, to be honest.
I think the aliens would know about resources

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and how it takes resources to create, and so I don't think that would

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be a factor. Well, yeah, it was interesting, and you know,

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as as in interviewing someone like that
can always be interesting mm hmm.

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And I'm going to continue to In
fact, Anthony from on Facebook says,

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keep doing what you guys are doing. Love the show. Unfortunately, it's

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time to earn that coin. So
he's got to go to work to make

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some money. Everybody's got to make
money. You can't. That's the way.

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It's a capitalist country. And it's
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people and I would gather at the
risk of offending people that I don't mind

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defending at all, and that I
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Be honest. You know, it
seems like the same people who complain I

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want stuff for free, I want
stuff for free, are the same people

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who are like down with socialism,
socialism is communism because they have no clue

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what they're talking about, you know, and this whole thing, well that's

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a socialist thing you're asking for.
You want all this information for free?

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Well, how is that going to
happen? How are we going to be

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able to do that? Is the
government gonna subsidize us? Is that how

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we're going to do it? How
are we going to do that? That's

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not possible. You're not living in
reality. And you and you saying people

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got to realize when you're asking for
all this free stuff, and it does

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seem to be the people that ask
for the most free stuff are the same

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people who don't want to pay for
anything. It's very much also along the

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lines of what you're saying is if
we were if we wean ourselves off of

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fossil fuel and go into renewable energy. It's really it's a tough it's a

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tough transition. This has been a
tough transition for for everybody. I mean,

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you and I here we are.
You're in where are you? You're

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in Arizona this time, and I'm
in the state of Maine, and here

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we are talking to anyone that wants
to listen in the world right now and

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they can listen to it for free, you know, and because so many

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things are we really are. I
didn't think of that, but yeah,

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but you think you think of the
transition from Okay, we we didn't have

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this technology not too long ago to
be able to do any of this stuff,

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and you have to you know,
it's it's a process getting through.

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You know, think about the music
industry how much they had to it just

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and you were talking earlier about newspapers
and everybody has to adjust to something new,

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and it's not easy. It's not
easy to do. Yeah, some

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comments people have made, you know, there should be a balance or exchange.

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That would be great. There's a
lot of should bees. I think

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that that are good. Someone said
we need a star Trek economy and AJ

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says you have to pay to get
the word out, which is exactly right.

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So it costs authors money to publish, and it does. So if

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you want to self publish, like
a lot of people are doing these days,

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and to be honest, I think
that's the way to go, you've

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got to pay quite a bit of
money before. Even if you go with

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like Amazon, you got to pay
for formatting, and you've got to get

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photos and there's all this stuff that
needs to be done. So it does

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cost money to get that out.
And of course, this tool we're we're

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using right now. You know,
you and I both pay a monthly fee

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to use this streaming tool that we
use. So everything costs money. So

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yeah, exactly the lights that we're
using in everything. So, uh,

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those are those points. But let's
get to so yeah, in other words,

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we'll get off of Whitley. But
just to defend Whitley putting stuff behind

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paywall, that's just the way the
world. People and I know it's tough.

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It's just like we got to do
a TV Do you want to watch

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Stranger Things? Do you want to
watch Star Trek? If you want to

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watch both, and you're gonna have
to pooning up the money to pay for

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CBS and Netflix, what can you
do? What can you do? Yeah?

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By the way, those are great
shows. And then if you want

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to see Mandalorian, you got to
get Disney. If you want to see

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Baby Yoda, who's freaking adorable.
Love Baby Yoda. So you know,

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idea what you're talking about. But
that sounds interesting, the Mandalorian. That's

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in fact, there's a new episode
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winning all kinds of awards. You
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the My Octopus Teacher I love.
That was great and then Queen's Gambit,

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And that's like the only two I
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watched Queen Queen's Gambit too, that
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Oh my gosh, did you see
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she's got to run to the airport. Where did the doggie go? Well,

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somebody is in the kitchen eating,
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close attention to the floor below her. I'm probably scavenging in there. He'll

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be here soon though, because she's
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the airport. All right, So
let's get into more news. At Astros's

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baby Yoda is the only good thing
about the Mandalorian. No way, Mandalorian

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is pretty cool. Baby Yoda's awesome
though, and it's it's wild you don't

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know about baby. But let's get
some work. Yeah, UFO News of

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the week. So it's something interesting, a couple things. So to introduce

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this topic, I first want to
go back to this thing, the big

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news. So I interviewed James Fox
for Phoenix Move on, uh, And

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I essentially I did it for Stacy, who may or may not be here.

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She may have already taken off.
She just likes to come in and

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get it through when we say,
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leaves. Apparently we'll see She'll talk
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Percard is awful. I loved Picard, Oh my gosh. So anyway,

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Uh then so I interviewed James Fox
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news coming and everybody's flipping out and
it is so ridiculous and ten. This

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is why I'm so frustrated with the
UFO community and why I don't like to

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even call myself part of the UFO
community. And I'm so frustrated. And

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some of you may be in here, and I'm sorry if I'm talking about

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you, but na get hoff knuckleheads. You know, they take the smallest

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thing. Look there's Karen, and
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They have no idea what James's news
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people are making videos that this is
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change the world. You know,
this happened people that have done that before.

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This happened with the New York Times
article. Yeah, same guy doing

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the same thing. Yeah. People
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dude, not going to happen,
best case scenario. They will mention

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UFO crashes in this New York Times
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we got. And they mentioned a
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wasn't this big or shattering news.
Neither is is going to be. And

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I think I know what it is, so go ahead. I just wanted

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to let you know that I just
mentioned that the same person who has done

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this before with the New York Times
article doing again and they put a hashtag

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your you know, openminds, dot
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coms or something like that. I
don't know if you caught that. I

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I might have noticed it, but
probably did what I just did. Major

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eye roll, major eye roll.
People, yas some eye rolls this session.

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Yeah, I've been irolling like a
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out of my head. People have
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Yeah, somebody Uh Louise from the
Unidentified Celebrity view. He says, it's

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quite silly. I sat on my
channel to manage expectations. I watched that,

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Louise. Actually I was watching that
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up on some of your videos and
you're you know, these expectations get ridiculous.

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Now you apparently feel like there's a
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Talking to Louise, I wouldn't even
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the case at all. What we're
seeing, which is really interesting, I

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think, is we're seeing a lot
of the surface stuff. We're a lot

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of this. In other words,
there's secrecy going on, and we're going

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to get into that. But at
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of the mechanizations that are happening.
These interfaces with the DoD, the Senate

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Intelligence Committee, the different agencies.
We're seeing different people do different things,

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and those are extremely interesting to analyze
and to figure out how things are working.

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And we kind of have this opportunity
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that normally we weren't privy to,
and that's huge. Some of the people

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I would recommend that you guys follow
Twitter. I think is a great tool,

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but follow Here are the people with
real sources, real sources, deep

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inside sources that are credible. Most, if not all, of the other

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people you're hearing from are full of
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They have anonymous weirdos maybe coming to
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and I get this constantly. People
claiming they're admirals, generals working with the

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aliens all kinds of crazy crackly on
this week. Yeah, and some of

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the popular UFO researchers go wild with
these. They're They're like, Oh,

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I'm so special. I'm the only
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So I've got the scoop on what's
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that's most of the UFO community.
The UFO community eats that up and they're

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like, Oh, did you hear
that, Jeffrey Jones, I just made

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up that note name is talking to
an admiral who's saying that this is happening

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or that is happening. Oh,
we're just on the verge of disclosure.

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And this has been going on for
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field. This is the sort of
thing. Don't fall for it, people.

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There's a long game here. We're
playing the long game, and we're

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at a very pinnacle important part of
that long game right now where you can

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actually get real information. Who are
the people with real sources? Of course,

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Louise Elizondo and Chris Mellon of to
the Stars. You're gonna share insiders

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with friends who are insiders. They've
got credible, reliable sources Now, sometimes

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people have great sources and they get
credible information, but they don't interpret that

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information correctly or maybe differently than you
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he does an amazing job doing the
deep dig, doing the work to get

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those FOYA documents. I don't necessarily
always agree, although honestly mostly we do.

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I don't always agree with his interpretations, and I share that with you

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all, But for the most part
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stay in touch, and we even
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some of this stuff. But MJ. Benias and Tim McMillan. MJ.

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I wouldn't say necessarily has any more
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credible in the way he writes.
He he has good sources, not deep

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insider sources, but he has good
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out where that great information is.
What was the last one you mentioned?

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What was the last is? No? No after him? Tim McMillan.

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Tim McMillan, Okay, And this
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I would say, has great resources. Definitely keep an eye on him as

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well. Nick Pope obviously worked in
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Keep an eye on him. These
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does is develop sources. Brian Bender, of course, is really plugged into

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the hill. Also Tyler Rogaway,
great greatsider sources and great analysis. These

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are the people that you want to
pay attention to and take when they say

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a source is telling me where I
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take that information to heart. Their
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the most part, all these people
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course App George Napp has some amazing
sources. Again, I know not everybody

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agrees with George Knapp and his analysis
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part, where that information is coming
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is dubious, allah, Bob Lazare, if at least George and Apple will

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tell you what that source of information
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He knows whether or not they're dubious. He may believe it, but

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at least he'll share with you it
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to take this with a grain assault
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really good sources. Speaking of which
this is really crazy getting back to Tim

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mcmillion. So has Tim McMillan been
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can tell you I've spent quite a
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In fact, if you join the
Rojas Reports, please do hit that joint

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button. It's going to ask you
for a couple of bucks. Do it

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now. I don't see it telling
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out. Oh yeah, you have
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Oh yeah, you have to be
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at least one interview there. I've
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where you want to listen to him. I get shocked too, because sometimes

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he'll have inside information and I'll be
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to someone in the UAP Task Force? Or how's he talking to this person

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or that person? And I have
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the people I talk to are like, I don't know where he gets his

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sources. He's got some amazing sources, and I have talked to him a

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little bit about where he gets his
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works in a diplomatic sort of job
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as a police officer, it opens
a lot of doors. Friends like Chuck

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Zukowski when you pull that or my
friend Mary Anne rob when you pull out

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that cop card, that opens up
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people will talk to you. So
Tim does have some amazing sources. I

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can tell you. I feel like
I have vetted Tim thoroughly and his sources

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are good. And that's really important
for right now. Because I told you

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I knew about the news that was
upcoming. I believe, I know.

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I didn't get this from Tim.
I got this from my own sources.

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But I'm the mcgloughlin group. If
you've ever watched that show, of course,

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the guy who used to run that
show has passed away, and it

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used to be a very balanced show. Now he's got a lot of people

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on there. I'm not big fans
of it, and I'm not, to

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be honest, a big fan of
Tom Rogan. He writes for what the

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Washington Examiner, which I think is
a total I'm not a big fan,

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but anyway, he's the guy who
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faking that Florida UFO event. And
he is a mainstream journalist and on the

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at the end of the month Gloffling
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I haven't watched it since he died. I used to watch it a

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lot, but they do predictions at
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end, you know, said I
keep an eye on my friend Tim McMillan.

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He has a big story coming out. That's the big story. So

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yeah, he outed Tim McMillan.
Tim McMillan is the guy that has this

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story that is going to be posting
this story soon. Is it going to

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change the world? No? No, what the hell are you people thinking?

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Where do you get this from?
You pull this out of your butt?

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But I understand the stalhandra. Let
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something like this, like say something
is coming out, it gets everyone's mind

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racing. And it's almost so much
better if you never say a single thing

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about it, you know, and
just come out with it when it's ready

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to come out with. You shouldn't
lay it out there because it's like anything

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that can turn into a conspiracy.
Yeah, but you know, sometimes it's

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stories. It's the hard part because
the New York Times article, for example,

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that everybody blew out of proportion.
How did they get to know about

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it? It was it was largely
from the New York Times interviewing people,

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and then those people being interviewing interviewed
saying I was interviewed by some people with

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the New York Times. They're working
on a story, and by simply saying

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that people blew it out of proportion. Yeah, and the people involved.

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Just because someone's being interviewed by the
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Roswell is real and there's an aliens
that we recovered at Rosewell not that

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that was the case, but kind
of you know, doesn't mean the New

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York Times it's going to cover that
wild belief this person has because what they're

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going to want to and if they
are, they're going to make fun of

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it unless they can substantiate it somehow
or have other witnesses. So I mean,

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you've got to understand the way the
sausage is made essentially, which is

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it should be obvious to people,
but I don't know, but yeah,

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people blow it out of proportion.
So all I can say is another is

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Tim McMillan was outed. Essentially,
he's the guy who's writing the story,

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so keep an eye on him.
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you've seen this Martin, Tim McMillan, along with Micah Hanks and MJ.

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Benias, who was just talking about. I've also had Michah Hanks on the

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show. I've been on his show. Love Michah Hanks. In fact,

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the opening and closed music or no, the opening, the opening and closed

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music to this show is made by
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Micah has this amazing radio voice.
I love Micah. They're really cool.

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In fact, I've got some cool
videos right here if you're on YouTube.

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I've got an interview with Michah Hanks
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there for an event. But yeah, I love Michah. So they're all

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getting together to do this new thing
called the Debrief. So they've got a

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new website. I want to look
at it. Yeah, sure I can't.

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I'm on Tim McMillan's twitter, fe
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Prepared to be amazed. People,
WHOA, that's all they got so

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far? Well, see you,
I could make a conspiracy out of that

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alone. But essentially they say that
they're going to cover science, technology,

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and defense news. So that's pretty
exciting. I love these guys and they're

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all really good, and I think
this should be great. Now, is

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the story going to come out on
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here's why I say that it would
be good for them and it would be

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a good start. But I've got
to say out of experience that it's really

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hard to get news out when you
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a website that doesn't already have a
lot of traffic. I have that issue,

406
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you know, with my site.
Sometimes we have some stories that go

407
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:53.880
viral, but we really don't get
much recognition until mainstream references are article and

408
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.759
so that's a lot tough. Yeah, so it takes a while. Whereas

409
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:05.960
those guys MJ and Tim specifically,
I've been writing for like Vice Popular Mechanics,

410
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.640
which of course both have large audiences, so I hope that they're able

411
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.960
to get their article in a larger
venue like that. Although I've done this

412
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.240
before too, where I've written my
article for let's say, the Huffington Post,

413
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.359
but then I refer to my own
article at Open Minds because I write

414
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:30.599
a longer article because typically most media
outlets only want maybe a thousand words,

415
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.960
you know, that's the new thing, eight hundred to one thousand words.

416
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.920
You got to keep your stories super
short, so you know, the longer

417
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:45.440
pieces have to go elsewhere. Right. So yeah, but oh, it's

418
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.240
not clickbait though, Louise, I
can tell you that I do know what

419
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:53.519
the news is, and it is
interesting news. But people are worth changing.

420
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.880
I know a little bit about it. It's not earth changing, you

421
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.519
know what. And somebody made this
point. I don't know if it was

422
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.359
Louise. I think it was.
Louise said something about how science news is

423
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.559
boring and science is boring, and
yeah, he said it in relation to

424
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.680
this because saying, remember, James
Fox is really into science and stuff,

425
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:19.359
and science is boring. So just
because James Fox says is exciting doesn't mean

426
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.119
it's going to be the stuff that
I'm into. The stuff that we present

427
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.039
on this show a lot of people
feel is boring because I'm not talking about

428
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.359
aliens and hangers and you know,
zetter reticulans and what the Palladians are up

429
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.160
to and who the Reptilians are having
sex with or whatever. Well, we

430
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:40.119
will behind the paywall, right,
you have to pay to get that juicy

431
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:46.759
stuff. But you know, so
this sort of this is and this should

432
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.599
be a big red flag for a
lot of people. I find the news

433
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.559
exciting, So if I find it
exciting, a lot of people are going

434
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.640
to find it boring. I think
it's going to be cool news that's going

435
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:02.440
to help move the government. I
see, I'm jessing my camera can It's

436
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.039
going to help move the government stuff
forward, which is really kind of what

437
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.320
I'm focusing on, which is how
is the government dealing with this? What

438
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.760
do they know? How are they
dealing with all of this? All of

439
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.679
that kind of stuff. So that's
what the news is going to be more

440
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.960
related to, which is pretty interesting, and that is the exciting part of

441
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:24.199
it in my opinion from what I
know at Astro see, that's why my

442
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:30.079
audience rocks. I don't think.
I don't. I don't know if your

443
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.239
audience is why. I know your
audience is good as good as mine.

444
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:40.320
Doesn't get better than mine. But
I mean, you're over there interviewing Whitley

445
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:51.239
Streeber or whatever. But to che
at Astros over here, Alejandro leaves the

446
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.400
dopamine addicts to their stupid stuff.
We're all science buffs here as well.

447
00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:01.559
That's so awesome. Oh but Louise
is saying that these people are looking for

448
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:09.840
hits that are selling this as earth
changing news. Probably Matthew Rudy is saying,

449
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.119
knows about what. Well, you
can't join us halfway in the conversation

450
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.400
and expect you just joined. Yeah, you're gonna have to watch the rest

451
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.840
of the show. But essentially we're
talking about that big news. Matthew Dirk

452
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.920
says, you and I pretty much
have the same audience. I think he's

453
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:29.679
right, But yeah, it knows
about what this earth shattering news is,

454
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.840
so it's gonna be big news.
It's interesting news. The story hasn't even

455
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.519
come out. It might not come
out. You know. When the New

456
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.800
York Times we heard from the authors, they were really upset with the UFO

457
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.280
community because they said, you guys
screwed up our story. You got so

458
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.480
crazy about it and made it into
something it wasn't that. You made some

459
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.440
of our people back off who we
interviewed, and you really screwed up our

460
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.760
expectations and you screwed up our story. That's what the Times people said.

461
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:00.760
Do you know, I don't know
if you remember this. No Matthew,

462
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:07.440
thanks for being arrogant. That wasn't
being arrogant, was I? I was

463
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.039
acheasing you because you showed up late, and then you wanted to know about

464
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.480
what we're talking about. I was
just kidding, Matthew got Maddie says,

465
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.599
he's unheard of feelings. Wow,
sorry, Matthew, Kenny, do what

466
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.639
we joke a little bit if you're
if you still haven't wandered away, Matthew.

467
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.760
We've joked here, Matthew. It's
just kidding, Yeah, just kidding

468
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.480
now. Oh. Yes, what
I was going to say is, I

469
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.480
don't know if you remember this,
but I was in contact with both Ralph

470
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:38.880
Blumenthal and Lesley Kane ahead and they
kept denying no story here, nothing here.

471
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:45.480
And then finally I got this email
from Leslie saying, I'm really sorry

472
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.960
that I had to say that,
but I had to say that, and

473
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.679
yes, we do have a story, and then she went on to say,

474
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.039
basically what you just said. That
has been really, really difficult.

475
00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:00.280
And I had a conversation also with
Ralph how difficult it has been that the

476
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.719
UFO community decided to take it upon
themselves to speculate and cause all kinds of

477
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.199
trouble for them while they were trying
to make this story Ironcloud as possible.

478
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.280
Mm hm, you know it.
It was an issue. Joseph says,

479
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.079
keep up the gate. Great work
you just joined from Dallas. Thank you

480
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.840
so much. Dirk says, Business
Insider just went behind a paywall, Like

481
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.320
we're talking about everybody's going behind paywall. So it's a little harder to read

482
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.760
some of the stories that I was
talking about. Yeah, I would say

483
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:34.559
that, you know, some of
the people I'm talking about I think have

484
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:39.760
written for Business Insider. Business Insider, though it's become just it's very tabloid

485
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.400
ish, So I wouldn't trust Business
Insider anyway unless it's a trustworthy author.

486
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.920
So for instance, the Star in
England, total tabloid piece of junk site,

487
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:58.559
covers really terrible UFO news, if
not just complete falsehoods. But Nick

488
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.960
Pope writes for the Star some times, and his articles are excellent. In

489
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.679
my humble opinion, Nick Pope,
he was a guy who worked for the

490
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.840
UK government. He obviously has some
incredible sources and I have never seen him

491
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:20.639
be disingenuous or inaccurate in his information. Some people kind of argue different things,

492
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.920
but I think they're being petty personally. So yeah, so those are

493
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.280
that's some of the news regarding the
big news. It's coming from Tim McMillan.

494
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.760
Tim McMillan is starting a new website
with a bunch of other great guys

495
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.880
that are writing great stuff in this
field who you can trust. So I'm

496
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:43.360
very excited for their website. Way
to go guys, And that's actually Cooks

497
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.280
too. So we'll bring mj on
and Micah on soon. I'll do ro

498
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:51.599
host reports with them very soon.
In fact, next week. I didn't

499
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.800
do one this week. I'm so
sorry, but I'll do one next week.

500
00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:01.039
That's by the way. Next week
is Thanksgiving. Uh oh, that's

501
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:07.119
cruel. Cool. We'll still work
on Thanksgiving. Ain't no thing, all

502
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.440
right, maybe not on Turkey Day, but we'll do it, damn or

503
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.639
something. I'm around myself, not
doing anything, so really, I'll probably

504
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.840
be traveling Friday. I think we're
gonna go back to California Friday, all

505
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:28.679
right, but we'll see what happens. But i'll do that. Oh provided

506
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.800
thank Oh it's Matthew or are you
saying you're leaving? Matthew said something but

507
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:36.599
I can't understand. He might be
hating. He might be cool, but

508
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.239
x chit show that doesn't sound good. Oh oh, Matthew, We're really

509
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.159
sorry. It was just a joke. It's just a joke. What can

510
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.599
you do well? To be honest
though, If Matthew can't take a joke

511
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.880
like that audio smooth tratcho, what
can you do? I just I mean,

512
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:59.400
he's the one who came in halfway. Yeah, I want to be

513
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.039
disrupt at our whole show. Actually, it's been kind of fun to talk

514
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:09.320
about this. Helpe you stick around, Matthew. If not, what to

515
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.280
godspeed? So and he's going to
be the one missing out anyway. So

516
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.960
let's see what else there was other
stuff. Let's see for the week.

517
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.360
Can I just bring you little questions? Do let us know? Yes?

518
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:30.239
Please? Well, I saw John
Fogerty was in the news like crazy all

519
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.440
of a sudden, But that interview
he had about his UFO experience was a

520
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.119
year old, and all of a
sudden, did you notice that, All

521
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.159
of a sudden, it's all over
the news about John Fogerty talking about UFOs

522
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.360
But that was something he did a
year ago. The media, especially the

523
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.760
Sun or the UK tabloids used to
do this a lot, and they still

524
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:55.800
do this sometimes where they dig up
old cases. Often they're old debunked videos.

525
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.920
But you know, I did notice
that they one video from Mexico resurface

526
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:07.559
of an ORB kind of flying in
a forest, and that's an interesting video.

527
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:09.599
I never know where that video came
from, but that was a really

528
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:15.840
interesting one. Let's see. Jerk
says, I was reading the guy you

529
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:21.960
were talking about on military and defense. Oh, Tim McMillan. Maybe,

530
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.559
yeah, maybe I should talk about
Tim Moore because it seems like a lot

531
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:29.199
of people don't know much about Tim
McMillan, and he's great. I've interviewed

532
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.679
him a couple of times. Lieutenant
Tim McMillan. Right, yeah, Lieutenant

533
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.559
Tim McMillan, you're exactly correct.
Well done, my friend, Well done.

534
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.039
Yeah. A couple other things,
you know. There's been some news

535
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:49.760
also about how Jacques Valet has said
in the Phenomena documentary that there was another

536
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:58.719
group researching UFOs today, the Mystery
Wire, which is ran by Kelly kla

537
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.199
As. I'm mixing it all up, but essentially the network that George Knapp

538
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.039
works for, isn't it Kelly.
Yeah, I think you're right, and

539
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.400
for some reason, I keep thinking
that's wrong. But anyway, he posted

540
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.480
on the mystery why are something about
the Bolander memo, which you know had

541
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:28.480
told us about the uh that there
was already another group. And I just

542
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.840
wanted to remind people that I also
have an article on this that I did

543
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:38.519
recently and I'm gonna share that,
so do check that out. I mean,

544
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.960
when did I do this? July
twentieth, so a little bit ago,

545
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.880
but decades of government UFO gas lighting
exposed. And my point was that

546
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.599
you know, when the they closed
blue Book, and a little bit about

547
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:59.000
blue Book, they told us the
same thing the Bolander memo where it says,

548
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.880
hey guys, this general is writing, even though we're closing blue Book,

549
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.320
the important national security cases go somewhere
else anyway, so it's no big

550
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:14.360
deal. And I also went over
how we've had these documents, government documents.

551
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.039
I have a video about it too, showing that there are UFOs.

552
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:21.960
Now we have the Senate Marco Rubio
talking about it, so kind of how

553
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.199
they have been lying to us for
years that they've had no interest, when

554
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:29.280
in fact they have. And the
Bolander memo when they closed Project blue Book,

555
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.440
was the memo that told us this
in the first place that someone else

556
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.639
was looking at the good cases.
So they really have been gaslighting us for

557
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:42.760
decades and they're trying to do it
again. And this is another piece of

558
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:49.599
news that I wanted to read to
you all, and this is something Brian

559
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.360
Bender found. So here's what he
writes. I'm gonna read this tweet to

560
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.199
you from Brian Bender. I think
you'll find this interesting too, Martin.

561
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.280
So, as part of my reporting, Brian Bender, who writes for Politico,

562
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.639
has broken a ton of the stories. In fact, we gave him

563
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:09.719
UFO researcher at the year at the
UFO Congress. And if you're like,

564
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.000
what why would they do that?
Watch our video that shows you why we

565
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:20.480
did that. Because or look at
my Chris Millen article about this whole plan

566
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.840
to get this information out, you'll
see that Brian Bender broke a ton of

567
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.320
the big stories that led to where
we're at right now. But anyways,

568
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.239
he says, so, as part
of my reporting, the Pentagon Public Affairs

569
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.639
Office advise I send a list of
written questions about the workings and plans of

570
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:45.119
the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena task Force that
was established in August. So I did

571
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:51.360
here's what I got. No one
is available for interview on the uapt F

572
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:57.920
the UAP Task Force. To maintain
operation security and to avoid disclosing information that

573
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:04.559
may be useful to potential ad series, DoD does not discuss publicly the details

574
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:10.920
of either the observations or the examination
of reported incursions into our training ranges or

575
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:20.519
designated airspace, including those incursions initially
designated as UAP. That also includes any

576
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:28.039
details of the UAPTF and its activities
unquote. Basically, the official position is

577
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:34.840
there's nothing to see here that won't
wash for long. Maybe it won't lash,

578
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.599
who knows, We'll have to see. The point here being that,

579
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.719
like I had talked about earlier and
why this time point in time is important,

580
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.920
and this is really kind of going
into factoring, you know. My

581
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.800
how I am attacking this issue and
I'm sure others and certainly in the way

582
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.360
that we're attacking this issue at the
Scientific Coalition for UAP Research is that at

583
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:07.400
Apparently I think that John Greenwalk got
a similar response. Roger Gassel from a

584
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.840
Swedish and researcher, got a similar
response. All indications are the UAP Task

585
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.920
Force has no intention of being another
Blue Book. Blue Book was a public

586
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:23.639
facing organization that shared information. UAP
Task Force is saying, we what we

587
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.840
do is classified. The results of
what we do are classified. We're not

588
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.079
telling you nothing. Well, I
thought they. I thought there was at

589
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:36.719
some point there there was a transparency, transparency aspect to this whole thing.

590
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:42.079
No, well, the Senate Intelligence
Committee asked for there to be transparency,

591
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.639
and it was just a suggestion,
but also just kind of I think,

592
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:51.599
and I should check myself because I
feel like they said that. But they

593
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.920
asked for the UAP report to be
public facing. That there be a public

594
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:05.199
facing report, so that will come. However, that report could be very

595
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:12.920
surface, not very in depth,
and I know that's what people like Chris

596
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:19.239
Mellon and Louise Alexander are working on
now, is to make sure that everyone's

597
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.840
informed that there should be a very
comprehensive report because there's a lot of information

598
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:30.119
out there to be had. So
we'll see. But obviously the intonations we're

599
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:36.639
getting here are that they do not
intend to share information, that they do

600
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.960
consider their their work classified. A
couple of points to that. One is

601
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.840
that Chris Mellon, when he suggested
that the Senate make these inquiries did say

602
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:54.599
that these this research is classified,
so most likely any reports the Senate gets

603
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.760
will need to be classified reports.
He like in my interview, said he

604
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:05.920
was prized that the Senate said they
wanted this public facing report, but happily

605
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.760
surprised because he feels that there should
be some transparency. But I think that's

606
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.199
our goal right now. Certainly at
the SEU, our goal is to advocate

607
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:22.679
for the scientific investigation of this topic, which includes then the UAP Task Force

608
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:30.639
sharing information with the public. There
should be a mechanism where when they come

609
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.920
to a cold case, they find
a case truly unidentified, like the Nimitz

610
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.599
case, that they should at some
point be able to share that data with

611
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:45.159
the public and especially scientific organizations,
so that we can as a group kind

612
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.039
of like SETI figure out what the
heck is this, what are the tic

613
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.760
TACs, so we can get some
of that data that they have because they're

614
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:58.039
sitting on data. They're sitting on
radar data. If you all heard my

615
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:04.159
interview with Robert Powell my late or
the Rohast reports Ida, you guys can

616
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.440
talk about this too, in that
the radar data is better data than video

617
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.719
or photos. Often in fact,
in many ways, it's better because it

618
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.960
shows us the physical object that was
moving in the nature of its movement.

619
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.639
To Radar data is typically much better
than photo or video data. Or when

620
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:29.239
it comes to that video data,
you know more information about the video data.

621
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.920
So that's the sort of stuff that
we need if we're really going to

622
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.320
find out what's going on with this
phenomena. So hopefully we can get that

623
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.960
sort of thing. But I think
it's really important to note UAP Task Force

624
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:45.639
is not planning on releasing anything.
That means it's incumbent upon us to make

625
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:53.079
noise and to make to be I
like to say, patient and persistent in

626
00:49:53.119 --> 00:50:00.559
requesting that they give us information well
and requesting putting it like, we need

627
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.199
to demand that they give this information
if that's what we want. And so

628
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:10.840
is this this thing the whole purpose
of this thing being set up is because

629
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.800
of a possible threat situation? Is
that? Is that correct? Yeah?

630
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:21.199
You know what, And this is
an aspect that I didn't touch upon in

631
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.599
my article that I think I'm going
to write a new article about. Remember,

632
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.079
Chris Mellon was the guy. He
was He helped after nine to eleven

633
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:37.039
to reorganize the intelligence agencies. Part
of the problem with nine to eleven is

634
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.039
that we had all of these intelligence
agencies, but they weren't talking to each

635
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:44.719
other and working together. Had they
been doing that, perhaps we could have

636
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:51.079
avoided nine to eleven. So they
created this coalition. You know that this

637
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:57.239
this ability to centralize information and to
share information. It's exactly what he's doing

638
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.400
with UFOs. He's saying that,
look, people are the Navy Air Force.

639
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:07.280
There are groups that are looking into
UFOs and have analyzed UAP incidents,

640
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:13.400
but everything stovepiped. Air Force doesn't
know what the Navy is doing. You

641
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.679
know, this group doesn't know what
this group is doing. They're all not

642
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:22.400
sharing information, so there is no
cohesive you know, look at what this

643
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:29.400
this issue, and that's specifically that's
exactly what the Senate Intelligence Committee addressed.

644
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.880
They said, there needs to be
a central location so that where all of

645
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:37.719
that information is shared so a better
analysis can be made, and that was

646
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:44.559
what resulted in the creation of the
UAP Task Force. So really Chris Mellen

647
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.639
is applying that kind of nine to
eleven model to the UAP issue, forcing

648
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.800
trying to get to have the Senate
Force a collection of this information. So

649
00:51:52.840 --> 00:52:00.679
that you know, they can research
further to solve an important intelligence issue that

650
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:09.360
thus far Chris Mellan and others believe
has been a major intelligence failure by not

651
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:14.480
doing this up to this point.
Yeah. Yeah, well, it is

652
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.079
kind of amazing if you think about
it, that we didn't have something in

653
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:23.039
place where our intelligence agencies could work
together. You know, I understand about

654
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.320
you know, top secret things and
they want to you know, need to

655
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.360
know type of stuff, you know, that type of thing, but when

656
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.079
it comes to anything like the nine
to eleven, you know, for instance,

657
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:37.519
you know, it's it's so hard
to believe they weren't working together.

658
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.639
Just yeah, definitely, it's shocking
mm hm. And it makes sense.

659
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.039
I mean, we see that,
and you know, people have criticized and

660
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:52.960
I've actually had some conversation with Chris
mellen lately via email, could because people

661
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.559
have kind of criticized. Well,
he says that he would had oversight of

662
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:04.960
all the SAPs and that they're no
UAP SAPs, and he told me he

663
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:09.960
was surprised ATIP existed because he had
not seen any projects specifically on this issue.

664
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:15.039
But then later on he goes on
to say in the Senate Intelligence thing

665
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:21.840
that there has been UAP research going
on. Those seem to oppose each other.

666
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:27.440
They don't. Here's why he said
there are no SAP UAP projects.

667
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.760
That seems to be exactly correct.
And you've got to remember a tip was

668
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.920
after he was in office looking for
these projects. But there what he's saying

669
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:43.800
and what has been borne out by
researchers such as like Keith Basterfield or John

670
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:50.559
Greenwald or others. We haven't found
any UAP specific organization. However, we

671
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:58.800
have found agencies inside of the military
that have looked at cases. So,

672
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:05.599
in other words, these groups that
are examining these UAP cases are groups that

673
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.280
are set up for, like to
look at foreign technology, the Foreign Technology

674
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:17.800
Division or the Department of Technology or
these other departments. Like in the Bolander

675
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.079
memo it said, we already have
procedures to look at these other cases.

676
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:27.760
He's exactly right. When we find
an unidentified we send them to different scientific

677
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.920
groups or different and intelligence groups that
aren't set up for UAP. They're set

678
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:37.039
up for, you know, looking
at enemy or foreign technology or things like

679
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:43.639
this. So these are it's research
that have gone inside of different departments.

680
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.880
That's what he's talking about. And
that there needs to be a UAP project

681
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.119
where you know, all this information
is coalesced, that is happening, all

682
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:57.239
this research that's happening in all of
these different agencies and departments and stuff.

683
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.760
You know, a project here or
project there, a that needs to be

684
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.880
coalesced into this UAP task force,
which is kind of what Aleszonda was trying

685
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.039
to do on his own. I
think with the A TIP group is that

686
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:08.960
he's saying, Hey, Navy,
I know you guys investigated this case.

687
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:12.719
What did you find out? Who
looked at it? What departments? He's

688
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:17.440
probably referred to different scientific research groups
inside of the Navy that he works with.

689
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.239
That's how this works. So that's
why they're you know, that's why

690
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:30.280
what Chris Mellen is saying is not
he's not contradicting himself. He's just and

691
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.199
I hope to get an interview where
we could, you know, talk about

692
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:36.599
this specifically to kind of flush this
out further and you can get all of

693
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.079
this in his own words. But
he's just saying that, you know,

694
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:44.159
there weren't projects, there's but there's
research and data out there, and we

695
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.880
need to gather that data in a
project. Now we have when the UAP

696
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:52.599
Task Force. To Brian's point,
though, the UAP Task Force now is

697
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.800
that central location, and that's who
they're going to be, the people that

698
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:05.320
we're going to eventually be, you
know, really tackling to get this information

699
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:10.719
out because they're coalescing this information,
they're analyzing this information, and they're the

700
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:20.000
ones who needed an attitude check.
To be honest, they obviously have no

701
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:25.840
intention and are fighting even talking to
Politico about anything that they do. And

702
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.880
Brian's like, that's not going to
wash. And I hope he's right because

703
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.920
that means that all of us,
the media and the public need to let

704
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.320
them know, Yeah, that's not
how this is going to work. Dudes.

705
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:43.079
You're going to have to tell us
something. And as that pressure mounts,

706
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:49.440
especially as you know mainstream media organizations
and hopefully scientific organizations. I mean,

707
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.599
I really wanted to start to do
this with SCU. Put pressure on

708
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:59.559
these organizations, then hopefully they'll bend
to that pressure. And we also need

709
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:05.159
to talk to our senators. Our
senators put pressure too to say, hey,

710
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.840
that's not cool, we need answers. Well, couldn't this also in

711
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:15.639
a way be a two way street
as far as them utilizing you know,

712
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:21.039
I know it's military, but beyond
military, there's a lot of There can

713
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:28.880
be a lot of opinions from say
scientists that are with the SCU or reports

714
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:34.960
from they could get information from eyewitness
reports to move on or in other words,

715
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:39.159
don't you think they could be reaching
outside of into the civilian world or

716
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:44.400
are they going to just stay into
the military aspect of this type of research.

717
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.400
Do you think I think they're going
to stay within the military. You

718
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:53.920
know, speaking of Nick Pope and
the UK in the early two thousands,

719
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.559
decided, you know, we get
more UAP requests for our FOYA than anything

720
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.840
else, so now we're going to
proactively release all of our UFO files and

721
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.599
batches. And they did that,
and before they were even done, two

722
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.000
thousand and eight came around and they
said, because they had this UFO DEESK

723
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.360
that Nick Pope worked at in the
nineties, and they even had Nick Pope

724
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:20.639
help them with messaging and letting the
public know they were letting this information out

725
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.719
in two thousand and eight, then
they said, we're closing our doors where

726
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:27.840
we don't want to hear any more
UFO reports. Go to your local officials

727
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.920
for that we're done, and Nick
Pope, you know, this is how

728
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:36.519
he framed it. It would be
absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible for them not to

729
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.480
look at the issue anymore. They're
certainly looking at the issue. They just

730
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:45.320
don't feel they need the public's help
anymore, which he felt was interesting.

731
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.960
And I think that's how our military
feels as well. And they've got a

732
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:55.360
good point in that move on.
Data is nearly useless. It's eyewitness reports

733
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:02.800
of which I would gather best case
scenario. Ninety percent are worth something.

734
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:08.639
Worst case and probably more accurately,
ninety five if not more, are just

735
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:15.119
worthless. They're misidentifications of mundane objects. So how do you find the good

736
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.079
five percent? Really? Really hard
to do. In fact, this is

737
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.760
something else I talked to Robert Powell
about before we move on. Move on.

738
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.440
Yeah, yeah, I didn't mean
that so much. I meant in

739
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:30.400
collaborating a report in particular, like
to say, if there were witnesses to

740
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:35.920
a certain case, wouldn't be helpful
for them to if there was, actually

741
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:39.320
if they knew there were witnesses,
to go and get as much information as

742
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:45.239
they can. I guess they feel
well. And here's the thing is that

743
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:50.000
those are only that's only anecdotal information, the real information, and this is

744
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.400
what we need, and if I
were them, I would throw out those

745
00:59:53.440 --> 01:00:01.440
cases. Any you need at least
expert witness. General public is typically not

746
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:07.159
going to be expert witnesses. Rarely
will they be, but at the very

747
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:12.199
least you need expert witnesses. What
else do you need? Telemetry? You

748
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:16.239
need data, and they're the ones
with the radar, they're the ones with

749
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:21.639
the Fleer cameras. They're the ones
with the equipment to get the scientific data

750
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:27.280
that you could actually do something with. That's why it's so important for civilian

751
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:32.159
investigators and scientists in this to get
access to that government data, because they've

752
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:38.599
got the expensive equipment we paid for
that is collecting this information, and that's

753
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:44.480
the scientific data we need. Otherwise, all we can do is like what

754
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:50.480
Robert Pollapeter Reality and Kevin Kanuth did
with the nimits information. They took the

755
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:54.960
what we knew of the camera data
but also coupled it with the expert witness

756
01:00:55.039 --> 01:01:01.159
testimony to figure out and estimate what
might have been the speeds and characteristics of

757
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:07.440
the object that ticktack that was seen. So I think that's why they hold

758
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:15.480
very little value in that data that's
achieved by the public. Now, projects

759
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:22.639
like sky Hub though, and what
Chris, what's our friend's name and Chris

760
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:30.039
O'Brien, But skyhub is another Chris, Yeah, sky hubbit. Actually it's

761
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.440
headed mostly by Steve McDaniel and another
group of people. But but you're right,

762
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:42.199
Chris Cogswell is working on Chris Cogswell. But yeah, Chris O'Brien has

763
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.199
also created something similar. Those are
the type of things where you're getting hard

764
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:52.320
data, video, other telemetry that
you're able to to start to extrapulate things

765
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.280
with. So that's what we need, is that sort of thing. Then

766
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:00.719
the government might start to get interested
in that data because it's it's more than

767
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:08.920
just witnesses, its actual telemetry gathered
by sophisticated machines. A couple of questions,

768
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:13.000
we'll kind of wrap things up.
I think that's all the news that

769
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.519
I wanted to talk about for the
week, with some of the interesting things

770
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:20.480
going on. But you know,
this these this is where we are in

771
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:22.760
all of this. You know,
this is the kind of stuff that we

772
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.239
have to talk about and we need
to consider, and this is actionable type

773
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.679
of stuff. What I mean by
that, this is where the ground,

774
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.800
the the you know, rubber meets
the road. This is where we can

775
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:45.679
actually assert ourselves and into this conversation
and effectively make change. And I think

776
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.960
we can, you know, and
I say that from experience in that you

777
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:58.480
know, we have been able to
turn heads by acting doing certain things.

778
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:02.199
And this is where we have some
room. We need to get that information

779
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:06.639
from the UAP Task Force, and
we need to ask for it. Nobody

780
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:15.480
is disclosing crap intentionally. I It's
another thing that is a little bit frustrating

781
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.440
when people take this assumption. And
so many in the UFO field, even

782
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.440
the more conservative, even some of
you in here. I know, I've

783
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:30.719
heard you say it. Believe that
there's some sort of kind of information that

784
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:37.280
is being pushed out purposely for us. And why is that frustrating to me?

785
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:43.519
I've detailed in my articles and in
our interviews, We've detailed this.

786
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:47.559
This information has been hard fought.
These are people who have been working for

787
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:54.239
decades to get information out and this
is they've fought hard, they've strategized,

788
01:03:54.559 --> 01:04:00.239
they've been intelligent. If you read
my article about Chris Mellon's plan, this

789
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:05.119
is information that was drug out of
the government. This isn't stuff that is

790
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:10.920
free flowing. That statement that Brian
Bender got from the UAP task Force is

791
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:15.320
evidence of that. They do not
want to share anything. This has to

792
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:21.159
be get drug out of them,
and it takes people in the civilian world

793
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:27.599
that are savvy enough to drag them
out. It was Chris Mellen and Alexando

794
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:30.920
coming out. Alexando is he doesn't
call himself a whistleblower because he says he

795
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.679
wasn't revealing anything that was classified,
which is true, but he was revealing

796
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:42.920
information they didn't want out. They
retaliated against him about this. This is

797
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.719
hard fought people, This is very
people have worked really hard to get this

798
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:51.599
information out. So don't act.
Don't get complacent and think that you know,

799
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:57.719
this is just we're just sitting back
watching this unveiling that is happening purposefully.

800
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.239
This unveiling you're watching, we are
watching. And that's what's frustrating because

801
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:06.320
it doesn't recognize the hard work and
the effort of the people that are getting

802
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:14.119
this information out. That's what's going
on here. People not sitting back.

803
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.079
You may be sitting back on your
character. Oh look at government's giving me

804
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:21.039
all this information on your boats.
This is great, finally getting disclosure.

805
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:25.800
No, dude, this is information
out. A lot of people who have

806
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.960
worked really hard are getting this information
out to you. So respect their work

807
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.199
and respect what they're doing, and
look at what they're doing. Look at

808
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:39.159
what Chris Millan and Alizondo and some
of these other people like Tim McMillan who

809
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.960
are getting information out, Georgi Napp, Look what they're doing. And that's

810
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.119
what we need to do, is
we need to help them mirror what they're

811
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:51.239
doing and pay attention to it and
help advocate for this information to get out.

812
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.639
That's what we need to do,
is help these people are getting the

813
01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:59.320
information out. Jack of Aage,
just says Emory Smith. I'm not sure

814
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.280
what you're talking about out there,
but here's a good question and we'll see

815
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:08.320
what you think. Martin, what
do you think of the younger driest impact

816
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:14.079
theory. Maybe it be that technology
from over twelve thousand, eight hundred years

817
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:19.159
before may have survived somewhere. No
machines have been found yet building huge megalithic

818
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:27.440
sites. And he's saying, how
come obvious traces of giant saws, for

819
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:31.800
example, can be found on the
block indicating machine builds. Check out uncharted

820
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:39.960
x YouTube channel. I disagree with
that, and so does Dirk this whole

821
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:45.400
two things. First, I disagree
that we are certain that these old megalithic

822
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.119
things are machine builds. Do you? I mean, what do you think?

823
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:53.760
I think it's really hard for us
to wrap our head around the way

824
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:59.000
they've made some of these structures.
But I think we oftentimes think that,

825
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.000
you know, sure, it looks
like it needs super technology, and you

826
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.360
know, when you look at the
fitting of stones and stuff like that,

827
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:12.239
it is totally amazing. But it
to me, it doesn't mean that there

828
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.840
has to be some what was this
giant saw? Is that what? I

829
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:19.639
Yeah, yeah, I don't know
what the answer is, and I'm not

830
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:23.599
going to say I have any idea
what the answer is how they did the

831
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:27.559
things they did, But it doesn't
necessarily mean, in my opinion, that

832
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:30.000
it had to be aliens or something. Yeah. I'm kind of with Dirk

833
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:34.519
on this. You're saying the similar
thing that we might not have been able

834
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:45.719
to find out some of that stuff, that there are ways for these things

835
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:49.559
to happen. There could be technologies
that are lost to us too, technologies

836
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:54.639
that we use or methods that were
used that we just don't know that we

837
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.039
don't use anymore. Dirk is saying
that there are methods that we still use

838
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.360
that it could have produced some of
those results. I agree with that.

839
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:06.920
However, to the larger point about
what about ancient technology. This is exciting

840
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:12.880
because SETI has really been moving into
this field, which I think is really

841
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.720
where we're going to find some common
ground. Where they're now looking for what

842
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:20.640
they call techno signatures. They're saying
that, you know, we should be

843
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:27.000
looking for artifacts because what if you
know, something came and visited the moon

844
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:31.199
twenty thousand, a million years ago, came and went that maybe we can

845
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:38.119
find some evidence, you know,
some techno signatures, some evidence of civilization's

846
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:43.800
intelligent civilizations that have been around.
Yeah, so that's really interesting. That's

847
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:48.000
a big area. Yeah. Well, there's no way to ever say,

848
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.760
you know, I mean, for
civilizations to line up. You know,

849
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:59.279
it's the odds are we could have
been visited, you know, ten million

850
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:03.800
years ago, who knows? Great
point A couple other questions here, why

851
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:09.159
does lou never state his opinion on
what UAPs are and what's behind the wheel.

852
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:13.479
He shouldn't, I mean, I
think it's great and it's highly disciplined

853
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:17.079
of him not to share that.
Remember, people, that's opinion and speculation.

854
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:23.720
Opinion and speculation is what we've been
doing for the last few decades in

855
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.520
the UFO field. We need to
move away from that. We're getting more

856
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.359
and more data where we can actually
find these answers instead of just guessing.

857
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:36.920
So Lou doesn't want to guess.
Lou's point is we need to gather the

858
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:42.359
data and follow the data, and
I think that's what he needs' that's a

859
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:47.399
great way to look at it.
Follow the data, and you know,

860
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:50.359
because people will do that with me. Ko if I'm not sharing my opinion

861
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:56.119
on certain things, I don't know, you know, and so why speculate

862
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.960
and hear my opinion? And a
lot of times I try to be disciplined

863
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.079
and not create an opinion so I
don't taint myself. Yeah, not a

864
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:09.319
bad idea. I mean, does
it? How do you feel about that?

865
01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:11.439
Like if you ask well what do
you think and they say, well,

866
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.560
I don't know following the data,
do you get frustrated with that answer?

867
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.880
No? I mean I like to
hear people's opinions if they have one,

868
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:23.800
but I also don't want to hear
from anyone that says they know something.

869
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:27.319
Do you know what I mean?
Like if they think they know the

870
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:33.720
answer for something that involves what a
UFO is, I don't think anyone really

871
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:39.479
has a clue at this point.
You know, the person who is asking

872
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.159
about the pyramids too, he follows
up and he says, I wasn't talking

873
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.039
about aliens. The only aliens we
know for sure is mankind. So he

874
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:49.199
was talking about ancient technologies perhaps,
and why we haven't found those. And

875
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:56.720
that's another great point. But I
think that it lends towards Dirk's answer,

876
01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.439
which is if we haven't found these
alleged giants machines, and maybe they don't

877
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:06.000
exist, because we probably would have
found them, David says. Check out

878
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:11.560
Ryan Sprague's interview with James. James
sings to think the news will be big,

879
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:17.359
Well, again, it's a matter
of perspective. For instance, when

880
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:25.439
for years or not. I wouldn't
say years, but for months before the

881
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:30.239
New York Times article in December twenty
seventeen, I was writing about Tom DeLong

882
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:35.319
and his conversations with insiders and how
he was going to be breaking news,

883
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:40.680
even when to the Stars started.
A lot of people thought that news was

884
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:45.960
crap. They didn't think it was
interesting. I felt it was huge news,

885
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.560
huge and it was, but a
lot of people didn't feel that way.

886
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:57.800
So James is going to think news
is really big that others won't think

887
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:02.159
is big. James Fox thought it
was really big news when he got Harry

888
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.920
Reid to say, there's a lot
of evidence. You haven't seen most of

889
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:10.960
the UFO evidence, You've only seen
the tip of the iceberg. I thought

890
01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:16.640
that was huge news, very huge
news. And many other people in the

891
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:21.079
UFO field will not think that's interesting
at all. So it's a matter of

892
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:26.680
perspective. And in fact, I
would even say this new news, and

893
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.960
I'll tell you this, this new
news I think, and I would love

894
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:35.039
your opinion. Martin is along the
along the lines of what Harry Reid said.

895
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:43.399
Yeah, so I would put it
that way. How did you feel

896
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:47.279
about James Fox getting Harry Reid to
say we've only seen the tip of the

897
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.520
iceberg? Yeah? I thought it
was a major statement. I thought so

898
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:55.439
too. If you didn't think that
was a major statement and you thought that

899
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:58.920
was ho hum boring, then this
news that is potentially going to come out

900
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:01.680
you might think is whole I'm boring. I thought that was big news.

901
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:06.199
James thought the read thing was big
news. That's a kind of way to

902
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:15.079
meeter your expectations right now. Let's
see the only thing I have to speculate

903
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.960
is if I'm actually saying gas Mask. I think gas Mask is sane.

904
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:28.199
I think that comment about self reflecting
about his own sanity, demons of sanity,

905
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:31.199
that he is the sane person.
I agree, I agree. So

906
01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.359
I think that is all. Did
you have anything else? I can't think

907
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:43.920
of anything except we miss you,
Matthew. We miss you Matthew already.

908
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:51.439
For Matthew, I forgot Matthew even
existed. He's dead to me. Yeah,

909
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:55.199
well, someone gave you a thumbs
down. I wonder who that is.

910
01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:00.000
Oh he did. Matthew is not
dead to me. He's welcome back

911
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:02.680
at any time. But you got
to get a better sense of humor if

912
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:05.119
you're going to come back, if
you're still going to be you know,

913
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:11.319
get get that stick taken out and
then come back and you'll have a good

914
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:17.079
time and happy Thanksgiving everyone, and
the happy Thanksgiving matt Yeah, but I

915
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.720
want to show you, guys one
more. I did find one last thing

916
01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:29.399
to cover. You're going to especially
love this, Martin. See that creature

917
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:34.439
right there. Yeah, this is
on in the SpaceX Dragon and that little

918
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:40.600
creature there, this is a real
photo from NASA. I watched the launch

919
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:44.880
Saturday. That was awesome. Well
that's baby Yoda right there. Oh,

920
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.279
that's the baby Yoda. That's what
you're talking about, Baby Yoda. Something

921
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:54.439
on TV or something, and know
that's what it was. Oh, baby

922
01:14:54.479 --> 01:15:00.439
Yoda's in space. So he flew
with SpaceX in the Dragon spacecraft to the

923
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:04.720
International Space Space Station. That's where
he is. Now. Baby Yoda's the

924
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:11.880
most important news story of the week. Okay, and you don't even know

925
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:15.800
who baby it is. Check out
the Mandalorian. All right, yes,

926
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.119
yeah, Coder, and I'm sorry
if I said that wrong. Coder agrees,

927
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:26.439
Brian agrees, Baby Yoda rocks.
All right, Baby Yoda, now

928
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:30.279
that you know who he is.
Yeah, all right. So there is

929
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:35.399
our show for today. That was
a fun show. There's alwaysn't something to

930
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:38.880
talk about, I think, even
if it feels like there's not a lot

931
01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:41.439
of news, you know, I
know, I said just before the show

932
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.199
started, I ain't got nothing,
and we filled it up. Yeah,

933
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.960
we did, so what do you
got coming up? Let's before we leave

934
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:54.279
that. I don't I already did
my interviews with for this next week,

935
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.880
but I'll be coming out as a
podcast with Philip Mantle on young his book

936
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:02.279
on young people and you trying to
get the young people interested. And then

937
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:10.880
I did a show after that with
David Clark and so from both from Britain.

938
01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.279
And then next week coming up on
the first is Robert Powell again on

939
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:23.239
a children's book he's written for the
UFO in the UFO world, So that'll

940
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:28.000
be fun. That's what I aeah
interesting. Some people are correcting me.

941
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:30.479
I keep calling him baby Yoda because
I love to call it baby Yoda.

942
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:38.159
But I do realize as people are
talking that the Star Wars nerds, of

943
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:42.640
which I am one too, it
is true, that's not actually baby Yoda

944
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:48.560
Yoda. It's not Yoda at all. It's some other baby creature of the

945
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.880
same type of Yoda, which we
don't even know the name yet of the

946
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:57.960
creature or the type of creature that
he and Yoda are, So he's not

947
01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.039
really baby Yoda. Everybody just causing
baby Yoda because he looks like Yoda and

948
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:05.039
he's a baby, and he's adorable. The show, they actually just refer

949
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:10.439
to him as the child, but
that's kind of boring, kind of weird.

950
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.840
Even Baby Yoda is a lot more
fun. All right, we'll go

951
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:16.680
with it. So he's Baby Yoda
to me until we find out otherwise.

952
01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:19.840
And he better have a cute name
too. When we do come up with

953
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:24.119
the name, it better not be
like boring, you know, George or

954
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:29.039
something. Yeah, yeah, George, little George. All right, all

955
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.600
right, we go, so you
yourself a wonderful weekend. Thank you so

956
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:36.119
much for joining us again. Everybody
check out podcast UFO. Of course,

957
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:41.960
check out Openminds dot tv. If
you haven't yet, check out the Rojas

958
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:45.840
Reports. You can watch the latest, which is the James Fox interview I

959
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:50.680
think right now still. Otherwise you
can hit the join button down there and

960
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:56.079
then you can get access to all
of them, including my Chris Mellen interview

961
01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:01.720
that and keep referring to my Alizondo
interview other great interview including Tim McMillan interviews

962
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.800
as well. If you want to
know more about him, that's the guy

963
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:09.199
you need to keep your eyes on, because I don't think everybody got it

964
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:14.239
that Tim McMillan is the guy that's
releasing this big news that is going to

965
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:18.960
change the world. So keep an
eye on Tim there and maybe they'll they'll

966
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:23.720
release it on their new site.
So check out that new site. But

967
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:29.159
yeah, I think that's everything.
Oh I always forget to mention, Sorry

968
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.479
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And I know I probably will have
some comments, oh man, the end

990
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.680
of the s. Just trying to
stell this stuff and make us bice stuff.

991
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:05.319
That's right, it's behind the paywall, buddy, Yeah, yeah,

992
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you're not. We're not behind the
paywall. So at least she got that.

993
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:15.920
All right, all right, thank
you all so much, and uh

994
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:25.840
until next time. Aos Chacho Matthew, I mean Machacho's yes, Matthew white

995
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people minute, Okay, you were
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