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Sword and Scale contains adult themes and
violence, and is not intended for all

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audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
We just got done talking with your husband,

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and I will tell you exactly what
I told him. You are throwing

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him under the bus. He's throwing
you under the bus. One of you

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is one of the world's worst people. Hello, lovers of true crime.

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This is season ten, episode two
hundred and thirty four of Sword and Scale,

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a show that reveals that the worst
monsters are real. Well, Happy

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Valentine's Day. We have a very
very special love themed episode for you.

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How exciting a wonderful episode? Do
you snuggle up with your boo and listen

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to were you've already threatened with violence
if they don't, listen to your favorite

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podcast with you and enjoy some chocolate
treats. You know hopefully he got you

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some Otherwise there may be someone other
than the protagonist in this story getting murdered

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tonight. All right, that's enough
for a play. Let's get down to

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business, shall we. The worst
prison in the world is a home without

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peace, So be careful who you
marry. This quote has been recently attributed

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to actor Johnny Depp, even though
he's not really the first person to say

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it. You may have heard of
mister Depp. He is or was kind

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of famous, and in May and
June of twenty twenty two he was in

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the news quite a bit, something
about defamation and a shitty marriage. Anyway,

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regardless of who first warned others to
be careful about who they chose to

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marry, it's good advice. In
some cases, a bad marriage can absolutely

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feel like a prison sentence, and
when this happens, walking away from one's

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spouse is usually much easier said than
done. A husband or wife might feel

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trapped and decide to stay in what
has become an unhealthy and unbearable relationship.

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Maybe their reasons involve finance. Maybe
it's for the children. Maybe it's just

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an overwhelming sense of obligation to live
up to some family traditions or your own

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promises. Whatever the reason, many
unhappy spouses have chosen to remain in their

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self made prison. But in other, more extreme cases, a marriage can

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be so bad and so lacking in
all the things that make up a strong

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relationship that it can lead to a
very real and very long stay in an

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actual prison, where the only thing
a person is committed to for life.

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Is their prisons sell walls. July
eighteenth, twenty eighteen, was a hot

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and muggy day in the city of
Orlando, Florida. That morning, a

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young woman stepped out of her apartment
to do what she did most mornings,

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walk her dog. But before she
would even make it out of her apartment

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complex, her day became anything but
typical. Just a few steps from her

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front door, this young lady ended
up making a phone call to nine one

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one, so didn't he corn it? Hey, how are you doing?

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Makes so thankful? She was like
squid over. My dog was sitting around,

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so around. She was running over
to the door. So I said,

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I'm not probably her bella and I've
seen them the next naples see her

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nose as gweed and she aren't response
to I said, you're sitting on the

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count and her doors wide over okay, And he said that is it the

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house apartment? Apartment? Okay,
So it's just her in the apartment,

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yes, okay. Does it look
like she was maybe injured by someone or

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does it look like she was maybe
sick or I really don't know. I

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just want to make and she she
is not moving them and she looked purple.

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Not long after this nine one one
call was placed, Orlando Police responded

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to the scene, and their investigation
ultimately led them to question a different young

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woman named Amelia Bassoon. All right, Amelia, so how long have you

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lived at that house over there?
And either June or July? You just

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purchased a home. Okay, it's
a big home. Yeah, we just

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moves here from New York. Really, we're in New York. I'm from

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Queen's Queens and you're you said your
husbands name was Joshua. Were you working

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right now for Chase in high house? How we work for Chase for um?

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December will be three years. I
believe any issues? What you working

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to Chase? Um? No,
I got to write up recently he did.

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Yeah, what happened? Um,
I issued two checks for a customer

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and I want to write it for
that because they weren't in the branch.

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Twenty five year old Amelia worked as
a personal banker at Chase Bank in Orlando,

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and she had recently been given a
written warning for issuing two twenty five

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thousand dollars cash years checks for a
client that was not present in the bank

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when she issued them. This was
of course, against the bank's policy,

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as the client always needs to be
present when money is taken out of their

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account. What was the name of
the customer? Gerald? You know?

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His last name Stuck? I think
I mean had you been a banker for

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him for a while? I mean, yeah, I think his banker since

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they moved here. How do you
appear to you? Is he young guy?

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Old guy? How did he appear
to you when you talked to him?

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Okay? He was okay, Do
you ever have any issues when when

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you talked to him about remembering things
or anything like that? He told me

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had brain like I know, like
a little about himself, like he had

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brain surgery. So what happened with
these checksum? I think we just that

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I should she call them? Have
slove record over Leobal security. They wanted

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to make sure that I wasn't like, I guess stealing. Seventy three year

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old Gerald Stack was a military veteran
that suffered from dementia, and he trusted

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Amelia as she had been a banker
for a few years. Despite his mental

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issues, Gerald was aware that his
health was in decline and that he might

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be on borrowed time should the worst
happen. Gerald wanted to set aside some

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money for his grandson. So Amelia
convinced Gerald to put fifty thousand dollars into

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a very special account. When he
came in to get to Kisher's checks,

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who were they made out to his
grandson? No, they were made out

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to my son, Julian Hewick.
Really yeah, why is that? So?

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He didn't want his son grandson to
have her funds right away, so

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he said that if we can keep
the funds and just keep it safe for

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him, why why did you write
it in your son's name? I put

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it in my son's name. So
he didn't ask you to do that.

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No, I'm make sure I summed
itself right. So you convinced a seventy

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three year old man with a lot
of money. Did he talk to you

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about giving his grandson fifty thousand?
He did, guess, okay, And

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so we're talking about giving this fifty
thousand ousters grandson. You convinced him to

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take that money and put it in
your grand in your son's name, and

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put it into account and hold on
to him. Yes. Essentially, Amelia

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persuaded this elderly, trusting, and
disabled man to issue two twenty five thousand

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dollars checks to her son, and
the agreement was that Amelia would hold onto

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those checks for safe keeping. Shockingly, Amelia didn't keep those checks safe.

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Instead, she gave them to her
husband. Where did you put them?

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My husband took them? Would he
do with them? I guess he happened

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an account with them? Where I
don't know? And what were you supposed

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to do with the checks? Keep
them until his grant? He told me

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grants and hedn't know him. So
did he tell you that? Yet?

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She get the money back? Ready? Where's the money? My husband know

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what happened? Amelia and her husband, twenty eight year old Josh Ramsawmi,

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were newly weds. They had been
married for less than a year. When

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Amelia gave Gerald's checks to Josh.
He opened a new account at Bank of

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America and deposited them. Then the
two of them quickly began spending that money.

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They bought home appliances, they paid
off some credit car hard bills,

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covered their mortgage payments, and even
purchased a shiny new laptop. So we

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trust to do this money? You
were supposed to give it back to him

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at some point in time, Yes, sir, yeah, would you spend

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it. Is that a good thing
to do? No, sir, how

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are you going to pay him back? Over time? I guess one money

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was for his grandson in a sense. What do you mean in the sense?

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I mean in a sense. Yeah, but you didn't give me permission

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but the check in license. But
he didn't give you permission sense to spend

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it? I guess not. We
talked to Gerald, all right. Gerald

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can't barely tell you what day it
is, okay, so and anybody who

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talks him should know that he has
mental issues. Right now, you looked

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like somebody wanted to steal from a
confused old man. Amelia didn't just look

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like someone that wanted to steal money
from a confused old man. She was

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someone that did steal money from a
confused old man, and the way she

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went about it was pretty clever.
In an attempt to cover her tracks,

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Amelia had added a computerized note to
Gerald's bank account, and this note explained

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that Gerald had mental issues and would
frequently forget about purchases he made and money

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he withdrew. Of course, anyone
taking a close look at the account would

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see that Amelia was the one who
added this note to avoid that Amelia convinced

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a coworker to let her use their
login. Were you at the tellerlan or

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were you at your desk at my
desk, at your desk? Okay.

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So Amelia came over to you at
your desk, and she said she wanted

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to be horror my computer to put
notes in the system because her system went

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down. So I was busy with
that customer. She typed the notes in

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the system. Do you know?
I don't know what she typed in the

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system. Obviously, the theft of
mister Stack's money wasn't something that just happened.

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It was a well planned and premeditated
operation. Interestingly, despite that,

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Amelia's boss notified the bank security,
and even though Amelia had been investigated,

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she did not lose her job.
Chase didn't fire her, and they didn't

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report any of their findings to the
police, which reminds me I need to

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change bank accounts immediately. So when
you were made aware that Amelia had done

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these two transactions for twenty five thousand
dollars each and that and you had told

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her not to, what did you
do next? I went into the account

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and I reviewed it myself. So
you reviewed the account as well. Okay.

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Into that indicate anything to you?
Well, it indicated that she when

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avoided, you know, getting someone
else involved? Sure, okay? Which

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was you know suspicious? Okay?
So what step did you take next to

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it? I submitted a global security
investigation? Okay? She did she get

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suspended or had the investigation turned out? She was placed on our written warning,

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written warning? Okay. The reason
that Amelia didn't get fired was because

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the savvy security at Chase Bank didn't
put it together that the two checks were

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written out to Amelia's son. She
wasn't fired for stealing her clients money because

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nobody knew that she stole it.
Amelia only received a written warning for issuing

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two checks without a customer being present
in the bank, and that was it.

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She had seemingly gotten away with it, that is until one of Gerald's

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family members noticed that the money was
missing from Gerald's account. Do you know

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any of Gerald's family members name his
grandson? He can tell a new account.

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And I know he has a daughter, his daughter named She hadn't called

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me. She called you, okay, And what did she say to you?

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She asked about the checks? Really? How many times she called me

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that day? Coming? The day
after. I think she's being Yes,

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it's my cell phone. In case
you didn't know, it is not common

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practice for a personal banker to give
out their cell phone number to family members

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of their clients for obvious reasons.
Amelia didn't want Gerald's daughter calling the bank,

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so she convinced Cynthia to call her
cell phone instead. You want to

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say that I'm not this person.
If I can pay him back the money,

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I can give him everything. Vow. Well. I think that's kind

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of what happened with Cindy, wasn't
it. She was pushing for that money

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in return, wasn't she? Is
she going to call it police? No,

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she was just like last time.
She was supposed to call me back

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last week Friday. I'm do you
think it's unusual that Cyndey hasn't called you

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since then? She just stopped.
Oh, she had told me that she

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who was going to reach my thought
to me Friday. Today's Thursday. It's

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been almost a week. She hasn't
reached out to you. I've reached out

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to her. Fifty two year old
Cynthia Stack lived in a small apartment with

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her twenty two year old son,
Sean Stack, and the two of them

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were the only people caring for elderly
and disabled Gerald. But on the morning

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of July eighteenth, one of Cynthia's
neighbors saw that the apartment door was left

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wide open. When this neighbor peered
into the apartment, she saw Cynthia on

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her living room couch and I've seen
the next old neighbors. Her nose is

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bleeding. She all responses, you're
sitting on the couch and her doors wild

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over. Is this the household apartment? Apartment? Okay, so it's just

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her in the apartment, dear old. Okay, does it look like she

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was maybe injured by someone or does
it look like she was maybe sick or

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I really don't know. I just
want to make and she she is not

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moving them, but she looked carful. Okay, sorry, hang on one

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second. I'm going to transfer over
to the paramedics so they can give you

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instructions. Okay. After this nine
call was placed, Orlando police arrived on

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the scene, and they quickly determined
that Cynthia's Stack was dead. She'd been

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shot in the head, and the
police also found something else, or rather

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some one else, so she didn't
go all the way and we didn't know

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there was a second one in there. Yeah, well, artist haven't moved

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or anything. They're just still chatting
her. One of the back is totally

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covered in blood mail in the bathroom. After walking further into the home,

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the police found Gerald's twenty two year
old son, Sean Stack dead on the

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bathroom floor. He was covered in
blood and he'd also been shot to death.

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As the police continued processing the scene, they questioned many of the apartment

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complex residents. Before long, the
events surrounding this double murder started to become

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a little more clear. I heard
it was really like slow, like les,

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I was like shooting, trying to
aim what I could hear it.

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Then after that you can get it
tired, screechs and off. Didn't look

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bestie, seeing go still open.
You know, I w nobody out here.

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Okay, we didn't. We didn't
actually see the car. In the

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early morning hours of July eighteen,
twenty eighteen, someone had gunned down Gerald

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Stack's daughter Cynthia and his grandson Sean. The killer or killers apparently left in

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a hurry, leaving the apartment door
wide open and screeching their car tires as

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they fled. Police say a man
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complex. Yesterday morning, are a
mother and her son, Cynthia Stack and

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her son Sean Stack were found in
their home on West Jefferson Street. The

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cause of their death has not been
released, but police say it is being

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investigated as a double homicide. Following
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the Orlando Police Department quickly learned that
Gerald Stack was Cynthia's father. From there,

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all they had to do was follow
the money, and it led all

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the way back to twenty five year
old personal banker Amelia Bassoon and her husband

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Josh. On July eighteenth, twenty
eighteen, the dead bodies of fifty two

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year old Cynthia Stack and her twenty
two year old son, Sean Stack were

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found in their Orlando, Florida apartment. Both Cynthia and Sean had been ruthlessly

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gunned down in their own home,
and the killer or killers had left in

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a hurry. Aside from Cynthia's seventy
three year old father, the only other

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surviving family member was Cynthia's daughter Emily. It's never anything Emily Rivera ever imagined

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having to deal with her brother,
Shan Stack. And mom Cynthia Stack,

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killed on July eighteenth inside their paramour
apartment, always trying to spread her loves

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to other people, always trying to
help other people on the Sweetest Wolen After

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the cold blooded murders of her mother
and older brother, nineteen year old Emily

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was left to fend for herself.
The gofund me that was set up for

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her reads as follows. Friend.
Emily, a nineteen year old college student,

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needs your support. Earlier this year, she dealt with the tragic loss

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of her father, and on July
eighteenth, her beautiful, selfless, loving

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mother and brother were taken from us
in a cold blooded act of violence,

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leaving Emily completely alone in the world. She must now find out how to

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survive with the challenge of balancing school
and her traumas her world has been completely

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turned around and she's now trapped in
a void of uncertainty surrounding the loss of

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her family. As Emily was dealing
with the trauma of unexpectedly losing two members

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of her family in a brutal double
homicide, the police continued investigating the crime.

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They eventually learned that Cynthia Stack had
recently been asking questions about the fifty

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thousand dollars that was missing from her
father's bank account, and that she had

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been directing those questions at her father's
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Before long, homicide detectives brought Amelia
in for questioning, and after playing

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coy, she eventually admitted that she
had stolen mister Stack's money and given it

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to her husband. Interestingly, at
the start of this interview, Amelia seemed

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unaware that mister Stack's daughter and grandson
had been murdered. I think you need

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to start understanding that how this interview
goes and what you know, what decisions

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you make here are going to affect
your life for a long, long,

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long time. There's a lot more
going on here, all right. And

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you know whose name is all over
this right now. You didn't just hand

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Josh with two twenty five thousand dollar
checks, she said, Oh, okay,

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it went open a back of America
account, didn't happen? Well,

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I don't listen. We came in
here and you're like, oh, it's

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Josh, uh huh, all right, you're spending money like it's going out

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of style. All right, his
money. You're the one to figure this

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whole thing out. You're the one
who put this together. You understand what

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I'm saying. This isn't Josh's idea. This is your idea. So not

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Josh is not the mastermind of this. You are. When it came to

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the stolen money, Amelia was more
than willing to throw her husband Josh under

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the bus. But the cops that
were questioning her didn't usually investigate financial crimes.

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They were two homicide detectives. They
investigated murders, and they wanted to

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know exactly how involved Amelia's husband became. When Cynthia started asking questions about the

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stolen money, Okay, so he
knew that there was they were asking about

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it. No, he knew,
he knew about it. He knew about

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the situation in general. What was
his response to it? What was he

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saying when he told him, Hey, cynd he's asking questions about this?

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He was just like, why racial
he was? He's normally there when I

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talked to her sometimes, But I
would imagine, like, for two people

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like you that have never been drolling
your lives, that's going to cause you

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some stress because it's like, hey, we got a family member. When

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you and you guys knew that you
would spend money. Yeah, of course,

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I know. We're never said the
fact that she kept calling us,

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But it's just we didn't think anything
of it. Just what could she do

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because it's not her account, like, it's not her money, it's not

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her anything. Amelia continued to play
coy, and detectives kept pressing her if

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her husband, Josh was somehow involved
in the murders. Amelia must have known

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something about it. If Josh screwed
up, he screwed up, that's not

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you. You know about that we
need to know about. I don't want

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to go to jail. I don't
want to. You have to trust us.

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I don't want to get in trouble
for an I don't want to get

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in trouble for any of this nothing
to do with me. It's possible Josh

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went over there and you didn't know, and how would he know where they

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live? Though, I'm just not
the question I was asked, Is it

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possible that he went over there?
Nothing I know? You know, so

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you don't You can't say for sure
he didn't do I can say no,

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because he doesn't know where that he
doesn't know them. Repeat after me.

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Women do not receive favorable treatment in
the criminal justice system. Did Josh do

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something that he wasn't supposed to do? Not that I know of. Is

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it possible? No? How many
guns is Josh? Amelia's husband owned at

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least two handguns, one of which
had been fired a few months before this

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interview, when Josh accidentally shot himself
in the leg. Yes, we are

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dealing with a real criminal mastermind here. The other gun, the one that

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police were more interested in, Josh
had purchased from a pawn shop just days

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before Cynthia and Sean Stack were killed. And you don't know where his gun

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is now. No, I don't
even know where it was to be us,

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But he showed it to you.
I saw it. That's how I

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find out about it. I saw
it. Where was it when you saw

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it? It was in a holster. Eventually, after poking at Amelia for

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some time, the detectives finally revealed
the real reason that they were questioning her,

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a reason that Amelia was likely already
aware of. What did you do?

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I don't know what he did.
What do you think? Okay,

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what do you think he did?
I don't think he did anything. They're

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both dead. What? Yeah,
they're dead. So now we really need

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to call how did they die?
Is there anything that you know, anything

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you know about It's okay, how's
the time? Okay, because let's let's

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listen to me, see me,
you're you're all over their stuff talking to

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them. You took money from their
fathers. This was not unamicable. Let's

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talk about this, of course.
Yeah, I don't someone go get this

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girl an oscar. And maybe we
can also invite Will Smith back to slapper

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across the face. This is how
you get in trouble for him for murder.

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Yeah, if we find out,
in any stretch of the imagination,

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any ship way, shape or form, that you were providing some type of

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alibi that you're wanting to us about
where he was, what you know,

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what you don't know about the gun, about any of it. If we

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find that out, I guess what
you've become, I don't know, become

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a principal principle to homicide in the
first degree. My biggest thing right now

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is I need to know that I'm
going home. I need to know that

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I'm going to see my son.
I need to know that I have no

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part of this whatsoever. If you
listen, if you didn't know he was

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going to go over there and do
that. I have no Okay, So

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me and Josh and we don't communicate. And I can say that it is

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a bad thing that we don't,
but we don't. We don't communicate with

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one another. If he's going somewhere, he's going somewhere. If I'm going

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somewhere, I'm going somewhere. Now, remember, Amelia and Josh had only

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been married for less than a year. They were newly wets for police.

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If Josh had killed two people,
two people whom Amelia had recently been in

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contact with about fifty thousand dollars that
she stole, it didn't seem likely that

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Amelia wouldn't know anything about the murders. Naturally, the police kept pressing her,

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and they wanted to know where Josh
was on the day that Cynthia and

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Sean were killed. That day,
he told me that I saw him at

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lunch when I got home. He
was home when I left to go back

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to work. He was still at
home getting ready to leave work. But

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he told me he was going out. I didn't see where. He just

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told me on going out. I
didn't talked to him for the rest of

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that day because we were fighting Dante
age night. According to Amelia, on

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the night that the murders took place, Josh wasn't home and he didn't show

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up until the following morning. If
he wasn't nervous when he got home,

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he was really nervous. Do you
think Josh killed these people? Do I

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think so? Yeah, I would
know. I don't hope not. I

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mean, so it's just a coincidence
that they ended up dad that day and

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he wasn't home. Is he capable
of killing people over this? He's capable

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of killing someone? Yes, I
mean he was in the Navy. Even

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as as disconnected as YouTube are,
I find it hard to believe that something

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like that happened. And you have
absolutely no knowledgeable whatsoever you know more about

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what he did. So I don't
think there's a loyalty to him. I

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don't think you're worried about tell us
what he did. I don't think that's

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am I writing that. I mean, you're not worried about tell us what

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he did. I don't care about
him, and he knows how I am

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with my job. I don't want
to lose my job. I don't want

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to get fired like I have a
great job, by have an easy job.

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I'm really young, like this is
my career. I don't want to

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mess anything up. He forced me
to. But with through all the funds

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out of the guy's killing, I
did it, and he took the two

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checks and he did whatever he wanted
to do with it. Amelia claimed that

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her husband forced her to steal Gerald's
money. You know that same husband she

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never communicated with. Amelia also explained
that she had no clue where Josh was

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on the night that Gerald's family members
were killed. I know he did buy

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a gun. I don't know if
he had intention to do something to her.

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I didn't know that Josh was going
to do what he was going to

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do, or if he did whatever
it is that happened, or if he's

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the one that did this. Okay, what do you think your responsibility?

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Isn't all this just I was the
one that initiated the trans I did the

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transaction. That's what I did.
Do you feel like a burden of having

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it looks like these two people got
killed over this too. I mean,

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I don't know what, like like
the whole extent to me, but I

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mean I don't know how to react
to that. I like, that's a

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thing. I've covered a lot of
stories about a lot of terrible people,

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but I have to say this woman
might be the most insufferable bitch I've ever

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heard of. Not only was Amelia
clearly holding back and not telling detectives everything

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she knew, but she was also
playing dumb unconvincingly. Amelia pretended that she

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couldn't put two and two together and
was unable to recognize her role in getting

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two innocent people killed. That poor
guy right now, he lost his daughter

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and his grandson. I said,
he would gladly let you keep the fifty

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grand if he could have them back. In the end, these two people

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lost their lives because of it.
It doesn't happen unless you take that money

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out of that account. So I
mean in the ending of leads back to

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me. There are moments throughout this
interview where it can be hard to tell

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if Amelia is an awful person trying
to lie her way out of trouble,

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or if she's just stupid. But
let's not forget that this is the same

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woman that was able to outsmart the
security at her bank. The detectives were

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well aware of this, but even
so, they played along and spelled everything

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out for Amelia, that you and
your husband stole fifty thousand dollars from an

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elderly man, and then a couple
of days after a family member inquires about

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these withdraws, her and her son
are murdered in their apartment. And I

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know you did some things to cover
your tracks. You did, you got

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away with it, and tell Cynthia
started asking questions about it. Let me

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just tell you right now, just
so you know, Okay, if we

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find out that you knew about this
murder, contributed to it anyway, knew

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about it before after it happened,
you're going to be charged with first degree

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murder and that is life in prison, even if you didn't pull the trigger.

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As the detectives wrapped up this interview, they also placed Amelia under arrest

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and at a minimum, she was
going to be charged with the crimes associated

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with stealing mister Stacks money. As
for the potential murder charges, there was

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still some investigating that needed to be
done. I'm getting fired, aren't time?

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Oh yeah, that's that's definitely gonna
happen. Yeah, yeah, So

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I'm going to jail basically, Yeah, for the financial stuff. What kind

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of crime is that. Can I
know anything about that. It's a lot

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of different charges actually, but like
I said, the big ones that you

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need to be concerned about. Of
the felonies a felon, the biggest charge

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in this is the exploitation of the
elderly. When it comes to exploiting the

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elderly, the state of Florida doesn't
fuck around. In fact, if the

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funds are property involved in that kind
of crime meet or exceed fifty thousand dollars,

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as it did in this case,
it is considered a first degree felony

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and carries a possible sentence of thirty
years in prison. After Amelia was made

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aware of her charges, the detectives
left the interview room and let her stew

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in the potential consequences she was facing. Then, when a different detective checked

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in on her, Amelia decided to
reveal a little more about what she knew.

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Well, we're not talking about the
check situation, talking about the hobside

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so far. What do you know? My husband called these people, pretended

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he was somebody else. He got
their address. The next day he went

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he bought a gun and he went
over there. I didn't know what did

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he tell you all? He kept
saying to me, is I'll take care

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of it. What did he tell
you afterwards? When he got home,

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he took the gun apart. He
was shaking. He took all his clothes

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off. He put it in a
garbage bag. He told me that he

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was He didn't tell me what he
was going to do, because I don't

409
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,799
know the severity of the situation,
Like I didn't know it was. He

410
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,160
never described how, he never physically
said, like, did he tell you

411
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,559
that he shot him? Yes,
he said he shot him, so he

412
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,679
knew he killed him. Oh,
you knew he killed him? Okay.

413
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,440
I just don't want anyone to think
that I, like, I didn't know

414
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,519
that it was gonna like, I
didn't know that this was gonna hack.

415
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:28,800
And to absolutely no one's surprised.
Amelia knew that Cynthia and Sean Stack were

416
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,800
dead long before the police questioned her, and she also knew that her husband

417
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,119
had killed them. After this admission, the original detectives returned to the interview

418
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,400
room. I was told, you
wanted to talk to us a little bit

419
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,280
more. Okay, um, what's
going on. I just know the severity

420
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,199
of the situation, and I don't
want to be like held like that I'm

421
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,880
a part of any of this or
that, like so I know, I

422
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,679
know what Josh dion, and I
know what he wanted to do. And

423
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,159
he told me if I were to
get involved, and if I were to

424
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,159
say anything, that he would kill
me. Come I wanted that and he

425
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:14,440
would kill myself. There it is. You were waiting for it, weren't

426
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,000
you. Of course you were,
because you're a sass hole that's heard one

427
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:24,119
or two of these tales before.
You already knew. And I don't have

428
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,519
to remind you that every single time
a woman gets in trouble for doing something

429
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,599
reprehensible, they end up saying that
a man forced them to do it.

430
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:40,639
Well, that's exactly what happened.
Amelia's story had changed. Now not only

431
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,840
was she aware of what her husband
had done, but allegedly he threatened her,

432
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:52,280
warning her that he would murder her
entire family if she talked about it.

433
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:59,800
Sure, Amelia, Sure, of
course. After hearing this the detectives,

434
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,199
I had some more questions. An
hour ago, he said, you

435
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,800
didn't know anything about it, And
now all of a sudden, you know,

436
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,599
how do you know that Josh did
this? Besides, how do you

437
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:12,760
know when he came home, he
told me that he handled the situation.

438
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,719
He told me that she was sitting
down and that the kid was like I

439
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,519
was trying to run away or something. What made you decide I don't want

440
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:28,159
to go to prison. I don't
want to go to prison. Well,

441
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,360
we told you before that they were
both dead. That was a complete act.

442
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,800
No, Well, I didn't know
that they like, I didn't know

443
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,679
the severity of like if this was
true. I didn't know that this,

444
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:42,840
Like, these people were gone.
Did you did they were alive after a

445
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,519
shot? I mean, I don't. I don't know the severity of the

446
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,519
situation. And you did nothing to
try to find this out. Look on

447
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,559
the internet, watch the news.
Did he show you any articles? No,

448
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,599
he didn't. I didn't google anything. I didn't luck anything out.

449
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,599
That kind of defies logic. Don't
you think that your husband would come home

450
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:01,039
and can as to killing two people
and you would be like, would you

451
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,199
even try to find out if it
was true? But it's just I don't

452
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,480
want any piece of this. This
is why I don't. I don't want

453
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,440
my meeting on anything. I don't
want to look up anything. I don't

454
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,239
want any part of any of this, Well, it's a little late for

455
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:22,559
that. Needless to say, the
police weren't entirely convinced that Amelia was telling

456
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:28,519
them everything that she knew, and
at the very least they needed to verify

457
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,400
or discredit what she was saying.
The detectives wrapped up this interview and prepared

458
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,800
to question someone else that was very
important to their investigation, Amelia's husband,

459
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:46,280
Josh. Now clearly, Amelia had
no issue with throwing her husband under the

460
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,880
bus, and when detectives questioned him, they quickly realized that Josh wasn't much

461
00:37:52,960 --> 00:38:00,440
different than his wife. Much like
Amelia, Josh was more than willing to

462
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:07,119
give police information that might send their
spouse to prison for the rest of their

463
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:36,000
life. In July of twenty eighteen, twenty five year old personal banker Amelia

464
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,679
Bassoon confessed to Orlando, Florida homicide
detectives that her husband, Josh, had

465
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,440
murdered the daughter and grandson of one
of her banking clients. The murder victims

466
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,880
were fifty two year old Cynthia and
her son, twenty two year old Sean

467
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:58,199
Stack. The presumed motive for the
murders involved fifty thousand dollars that Amelia had

468
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:05,119
stolen from her dementia she had written
elderly client Gerald Stack. After Gerald's daughter

469
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,920
started asking questions about that money,
both she and her son were found shot

470
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,159
to death in their home. After
Emilia was questioned by police, it was

471
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:22,039
time for her husband, twenty eight
year old Josh Ramsamy to answer some questions

472
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,840
as well. Are you married yes
to Ameliaia? Right? Okay, we

473
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,519
actually just got married in September last
year. Thank congratulations, thank you all

474
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,599
right? So um, you were
to Chase, Yes, Hollie, you

475
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:39,599
were to Chase May seventh. Kind
of a new job, yeah, Chase.

476
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,639
Oh I love it. Yeah,
the best, one of the best

477
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,800
jobs I've ever had. What do
you do to Chase Elections? Critically?

478
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,039
Oh boy? Yeah. Like his
wife, Josh also worked at Chase Bank,

479
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,320
but he hadn't been there nearly as
long as she had Before he was

480
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,440
hired a Chase. Josh was out
of work for several months because he had

481
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,639
accident shot himself in the leg.
Since Josh was recovering from this injury and

482
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,719
not bringing in any income, times
were tight, hence the likely reason why

483
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:16,400
he and Amelia decided to steal mister
Stack's money. Now When the police sat

484
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:21,440
down to question Josh, they didn't
outright tell him why he was there.

485
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,400
Instead, they wanted to hear it
from him. Why do you think you're

486
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,400
sitting here right now? I honestly
have no idea, no idea. Who

487
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,320
was less bank account that you opened? Bank of America. Okay, tell

488
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,440
me about that. My wife came
home. She gave me two checks.

489
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:43,039
I think there were twenty five thousand
alls of each, and she told me,

490
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,440
hey, you know, she met
a customer. He basically gave her

491
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,559
the money for I guess safe keeping
or something like that. That was it.

492
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,400
We started to use the money,
you know, to pay for mortgage

493
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:59,480
credit card bills. Just like Amelia, Josh played coy with the detectives,

494
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,519
and if it meant saving his own
ass, he was more than willing to

495
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:10,000
direct blame elsewhere, specifically at his
wife. I'm really getting in kind of

496
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:14,519
trouble or anything like that that you
know of, or what happened anything happened,

497
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:16,760
not that I know, not that
you know of. Oh no,

498
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,679
she said. At the branch.
Corporate security I think came and questioned her

499
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,719
about it. Nothing else came up
recently, not that I know of.

500
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,800
Somebody who was questioned, you knew
Joel? No, I don't know him.

501
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:36,760
Do you know Joel's grandson? No? You know anybody in Jerald's family.

502
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,519
According to Josh, he didn't know
anyone in the Stack family. The

503
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:46,800
only problem with that is that eyewitnesses
had placed Josh, or at least someone

504
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,719
that looked a hell of a lot
like him, at Cynthia's Stack's apartment.

505
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:57,800
How is it that you wound up
at Cynthia's house Cynthia's apartment, Brount Jefferson,

506
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,280
Because I have I have my witnesses. I put you there was a

507
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,039
guy that's your high hair, a
parted, two earrings, everything, You're

508
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,920
there, Okay, I have no
question about that. All right? So

509
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,159
what we're trying to understand why you
were there? Why are you Cynthia's place?

510
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:15,280
And and again, who was never
her place? Initially, Josh denied

511
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,679
ever being at Cynthia's apartment, but
it didn't take long for the police to

512
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,320
break through this denial. Eventually,
Josh did admit he was at the apartment

513
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:30,000
on the day of the murders.
Did you go inside? Yeah? I

514
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:35,920
actually sat down and talked to her. Who's herd to the lady Cynthia was

515
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,119
anybody else in the house, I
think the same pitch on and had the

516
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:45,519
conversation go. I told her,
you know, I was there on Amilia's

517
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:50,760
behalf because she fucked up for one
I understand, because apparently the money was

518
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,159
not given to Amelia correctly, and
I told her I found out about it.

519
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,440
I talked to her, and then
I guess I left. Josh explained

520
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,719
that he and Cynthia reached an agreement
Amelia would return mister Stack's money and that

521
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,320
would be the end of it.
After this conversation, Josh simply left the

522
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,559
apartment, or so he claimed.
Of course, that didn't explain how Cynthia

523
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:22,559
and her son ended up shot to
death, but Josh was ready with a

524
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,280
possible explanation. But after I got
done talking to them, I got my

525
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,079
car sat down. I was vaping
in my car. After that. That's

526
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:34,280
when the guy approached me and you
were in your car. I was sitting

527
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,519
in my car and he told you
he put a gun to your head.

528
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:38,079
Put a gun to my head.
I had my gun sitting next to my

529
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,559
next to my shifter in my car. So he let you get the gun

530
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:45,960
out of the He let you get
the gun out of the console it was

531
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,760
sitting. He got a gun to
my head. He said, give me

532
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,079
the piece. We've been watching you, we know why you are here.

533
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:52,880
And I said, okay, I
put my vape down, grabbed my gun,

534
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,000
and I gave it to him.
According to Josh, after he left

535
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,800
Cynthia's apartment, a tall black man
wearing a dow rag approached him, put

536
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,559
a gun to Josh's head and demanded
that Josh hand over his weapon. Josh

537
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:15,199
complied and then left the apartment complex. Josh explained that he didn't know the

538
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:22,599
man's name, but he did recognize
the gunman from an earlier encounter. Josh

539
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,559
claimed that when Amelia came to him
and explained that the money was stolen and

540
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,239
that Cynthia Stack was asking questions about
it, Amelia had decided that their best

541
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:38,199
course of action would be to hire
someone to handle the situation. If I'm

542
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,480
understanding you're you're saying, Amelia is
the one that talked to somebody to taking

543
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,840
care of them. Yeah, And
I don't why, I have no idea.

544
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:49,719
Well, I mean, how do
you know that. Well, they're

545
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,000
really kid that came to our house
and I know she gave him some money

546
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,760
or something like that, and he
texted me about money and I'm like,

547
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,000
what are you talking as? I
think she gives only tempt on him.

548
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,320
She gave him ten thousand dollars to
one I have no idea, and from

549
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,320
my understanding, thank you gave him
ten thousand dollars for him to kill him

550
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,360
or something. I don't know.
You know, you're making this hole that

551
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,639
much bigger. You know that doesn't
make any sense to anybody. Josh I

552
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,320
realized that Josh's story might be a
little hard to follow, but Josh told

553
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:25,239
police that Amelia had hired two hitmen
to kill Cynthia's Stack and he knew about

554
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,599
it. Josh also admitted that he
went with Amelia to pay these two men,

555
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,280
and one of them was the same
mysterious tall black man that would later

556
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,679
hold Josh at gunpoint. We gave
him like a thousand dollars that night.

557
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Did you know what you were going
to do when you went there? You

558
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,519
were going to give him money for
what to fix the whole issue. I

559
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,280
don't know what they were going to
do. I don't know if they were

560
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,760
going to get money back for drugs. He said, we'll make things right.

561
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,840
Well effort. The first conversation was
we'll get her to shut up.

562
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Josh claimed that he didn't know the
tall black man that they gave money to,

563
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,280
but he did know the second hit
man, and Josh provided detectives with

564
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,320
a name twenty three year old Jay
Pursad. How do you know Amelia went

565
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,039
to high school with her. I've
known her for alms like over ten years.

566
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,320
She's like a big sister of mine. Momen's last time we talked to

567
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,199
me, that would be last week. That's when she further explains to me.

568
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,599
She's like, you know, I'm
going to go to jail on Monday,

569
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,519
so I need to, you know, like send her a message,

570
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,239
you know, scare her or something. And why did she say she was

571
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,679
going to jail on Monday, Because
the lady's going to report her on Monday,

572
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,559
so she needs to stop the lady
from reporting her. And what exactly

573
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:43,599
did she want you to find a
person to do scare the lady? How

574
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,360
did she say that? Like,
what does she want you to do?

575
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,280
She just said, just scare the
lady so she doesn't come in on Monday.

576
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Make sure she doesn't come in on
Monday to report. Man, what

577
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:58,360
information did she give you about this
lady specifically, She said that she has

578
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,199
all the information on her. We
know when I'm ready to give the people

579
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,159
that I find, so she can
give them the address and all that stuff.

580
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:12,159
It turned out that Amelia and Josh
had met and hired Jay Persad.

581
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,880
Together. They gave Jay one thousand
dollars, and the agreement was that he

582
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,920
would find someone to scare Cynthia's stack
into keeping quiet about the stolen money.

583
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,679
This meeting took place at a Walgreen's
parking lot, of all places, which

584
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:35,159
happened to have plenty of surveillance cameras. To no one's surprise, there was

585
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,639
no tall, black second hit man
like Josh had claimed. It was just

586
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,519
Amelia, Josh and Jay. The
fact of the matter is these two people

587
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:52,920
that she wanted you to go hire
somebody to go scare they're dead. Yeah,

588
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,079
hey, do you understand how important
we are now? Right? That

589
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,960
is dead. They were murdered.
After the police made Jay aware of the

590
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:09,320
seriousness of this situation, he was
ready to tell all and he explained that

591
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:15,159
he did take money from Amelia and
Josh, but he never intended to hire

592
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,559
anyone, nor did he It's Amelia
gave herself up and said that she's going

593
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,480
to jail on Monday. It's sunk
in on me. On Friday, I

594
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:28,079
said, fuck her. She did
some old people wrong like this, she

595
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,440
has some money, Let me get
a little something out of it. Okay,

596
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,960
let me. I'm paying bills.
It's hard out here, right.

597
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,559
I can't even I can't. I
can't even pay my phone bill. Man.

598
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,079
Yeah, so you're it's it's tough
times, yep. So I said,

599
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,119
I gotta show, you know,
if I do talk to someone,

600
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,480
I gotta have, you know,
from my past experience, I gotta have

601
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:51,280
show good you know, faith,
you know, I gotta at least have

602
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,320
some kind of money when I'm talking
to him, like hey, like show

603
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,400
that I'm serious or something maybe before
I go find someone. So I did

604
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,719
meet up with Josh, and he
did give me a thousand dollars and I

605
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,679
never versusful effects of them. Jay
took Josh and Amelia's money and ran.

606
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:10,639
The scammers had been scammed, of
course, When the detectives questioned Amelia about

607
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:16,920
this, she played innocent and once
again pointed the finger and her husband mens

608
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:22,519
this question. Who's Jay? Jay? He's like a friend from high school

609
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:29,840
was less talk Um, Josh called
him from my phone? My Josh called

610
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,559
him from your phone? What he
took my phone? He called him and

611
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:36,159
he said for him, because I
saw the text messages. He said for

612
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,199
him to come to my house.
Like, hey, Sam, if you

613
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,480
called him a texted him, we
need to know. I mean again,

614
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,000
we're sending this little convenience thing.
This is like a marriagement in hell.

615
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,199
I gotta be honest with you guys, because you're eating Are each other than

616
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,840
a bus? Are you taking this
phone? And you are if you talked

617
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,239
to him, we need to know
that. No, I didn't see a

618
00:49:54,599 --> 00:50:00,599
needless to say, the detectives had
had enough of Amelia's storytelling, and they

619
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:05,800
had pretty much figured out what had
happened. Josh and Emilia tried to hire

620
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:12,079
someone to scare Cynthia's stack. When
that didn't work, Josh likely took matters

621
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,719
into his own hands. We just
got done talking with your husband, and

622
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,280
I will tell you exactly what I
told him. You were throwing him under

623
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,480
the bus. He's throwing you under
the bus. One of you is one

624
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:29,519
of the world's worst people. Okay, I'm not sure which, but he

625
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,800
this is what you know he's bringing
this Jay Prasad into it. Did you

626
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,199
and him on Friday and Saturday go
to a Walgreens in Metro West and meet

627
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,800
with Jay? Yes, Josh is
giving him money for I don't know.

628
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:49,079
Do you think Josh is that mad? Or I don't know what is to

629
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,440
just to make this up to say
that instead of taking responsibility and say,

630
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,679
yeah, I didn't want my wife
to go to prison, so I went

631
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,840
over there child. Instead he's saying
nothing to do with this. She paid

632
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,679
Jay Prasad to go do this.
Why would I want to kill these two

633
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,159
people if I'm in contact with them? Because Ali, realistically you're the one

634
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,800
that you're the one. Again,
how many I don't know how many times

635
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,599
we can say this without you sink
it in. If it weren't for you,

636
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:17,280
Okay, I'm flat. I'll say, if it wasn't for you,

637
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,920
those two people will be alive.
Both Amelia and Josh were culpable, and

638
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:28,639
both of them were more than willing
to let their spouse take the fall.

639
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,440
There is no honor among thieves,
but in this case it appears there's also

640
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,840
no honor in marriage. Yeah,
here's here's the thing. We've talked to

641
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:45,480
Emilia already. She's spelling it because
she's looking at the prospect of never seeing

642
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:49,400
her son again except for through bars. She's over there saying that you killed

643
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,159
these people. I didn't. I
don't have a bone name me to kill

644
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:57,760
anybody? Is that I I'll tell
you right now straight up. I was

645
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,599
there. My gun was taken from
me by some black guy. Amelia gave

646
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:08,760
him ten thousand dollars. Josh maintained
his story, but detectives seemed pretty confident

647
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:15,440
that Josh was the one that pulled
the trigger, and they were clearly as

648
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:19,480
fed up with him as they were
with Amelia, if not more so.

649
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,000
I feel like Amelia paid him the
money to go kill him. That's how

650
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,320
you can paid him the money.
We both did, Yeah, we both

651
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,280
did sometimes. So why would you
go behind your back and talk again?

652
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,920
I get lost. Why would you
go behind your back and tell him to

653
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,559
go take care of business? I
don't know. She's not that kind of

654
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:37,639
person. Hey, let me explain
something to you. You know it was

655
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,079
all over that account. You know
it's all over that account. You are,

656
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,199
okay, So don't say you know
this whole thing of Oh, she

657
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,320
came home and she just gave me
these two twenty five thousand dollars checks and

658
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,119
I just did this. That's bullshit. At this point, Josh had lied

659
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,519
himself into a corner. Since he
admitted to paying a hit man, he

660
00:52:54,679 --> 00:53:00,840
only had two options, and neither
of them were good. Either fess up

661
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,519
and admit that he murdered two people
or maintained that he paid someone else to

662
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:07,920
do it. Because you're basically saying
that she paid this guy Jay to go

663
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,079
kill her. If that's the way
you want to go, then guess what

664
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,119
when she gets in trouble for her, she's going away. Then Julian grows

665
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:15,920
off without a mother. Okay.
Now I don't know about that, but

666
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,360
to me, if that's not the
case, that's a really shitty thing to

667
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,880
do. If that's what it has
to be, it has to do because

668
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,119
for me, all I know is
she gave Jay the money for me.

669
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:29,519
You gave him the money too,
exactly, And you don't see see what

670
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,039
you're doing? You keep doing that, Stop doing that. You gave him

671
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:35,320
the money, called you both of
us. So guess what if she's yeah,

672
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,280
exactly, so one way or another
year in trouble. Okay, So

673
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,960
let's figure that out up to that. But oh, you're owing up to

674
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,840
the fact that you give this that
money and go kill these two people.

675
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,880
I did not know, Yes,
no, not owning. Well, it

676
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,800
doesn't work all the way, Josh, it doesn't work much ways. You

677
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,239
can't sit there and say she didn't
when you're there with her. You're there

678
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,440
with her, right, you're right. So don't say she went outside and

679
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,280
had a conversation. That's bullshit.
You can it's not just you. Can

680
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,440
you listen for a second. Now
you can ask her parents, Josh,

681
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,199
I don't want to ask her parents. I'm talking to you. You're a

682
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,360
grown man. I do understay it
right. You can't say that she's responsible

683
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,960
for You can't say that we both
are. That's right. So now these

684
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,280
two people are dead. You gave
somebody money, and you're saying these two

685
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,960
people are dead because of it.
No matter how hard detectives pressed him,

686
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:21,280
Josh would not admit to committing the
murders, but he did admit to hiring

687
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,920
someone else to do it, and
Josh wasn't willing to assume that blame alone.

688
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,599
If he was going down for conspiring
to commit double murder, he seemed

689
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:36,559
intent on taking Amelia down with him. That Thursday night, she told me

690
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:40,000
she's going to call Jake and have
him take care of it. And I'm

691
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,440
guilty for that. I paid Jake
to go ahead, and Josh, I

692
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:47,039
think he shot and killed these people. I mean, that's I mean,

693
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:52,360
and that's what happened. And you're
lying to us, then you absolutely or

694
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:53,880
from an art of the bus,
she could have sent motion something and she

695
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,239
didn't know what you were going to
do, and that's what she's claiming.

696
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,719
If your objective is to not get
her in trouble and what both of us

697
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,320
truly believe happened, that you would
over there and killed both those people,

698
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,400
then you need to tell us the
truth about that. No, I didn't,

699
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,800
okay, but you conspire to have
them kill correct, we won't.

700
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:20,400
Despite this admission, Josh's story still
didn't make any sense. If he and

701
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,760
Amelia had hired someone or multiple people
to murder Cynthia Stack, why then would

702
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,800
Josh go talk to her in an
attempt to amicably resolve the stolen money situation.

703
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,440
It didn't make any sense. This
is after you paid these people to

704
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,880
take care of her. Correct,
Why would you be worrying about paying her

705
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,800
back the money when you repay these
people ten thousand dollars to kill her,

706
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,639
why would you go over there trying
to talk to her? Why would you

707
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,519
talk to Himlily about paying her back? Because there are two innocent people like

708
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,119
Okay, did you make any efforts
to call James elim not to do it?

709
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:52,599
And we want the money back.
I'm going to go pay her?

710
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,840
Why not? I don't know.
You don't know, that's the best answer

711
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,719
you. I don't know all I
knows. I went there. No,

712
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,239
it's not all you know. Stop
saying that. I gotta tell you,

713
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,199
Josh, I think both of us
are totally baffled. After talking with both

714
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,199
you and your wife for the whole
day, how two people like you end

715
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,280
up in a situation like this,
And it's compounded by the fact that one

716
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,360
of you is trying to send the
other one to prison for the rest of

717
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,159
their lives because you're telling totally different
stories. After several hours of questioning,

718
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,599
the detectives had had enough of both
Josh and Amelia. Both of them had

719
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:37,440
tried to implicate the other in this
weird, deranged plot, but in the

720
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:45,440
end it didn't matter rightfully, So
this married couple was booked and both of

721
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,400
them faced murder charges. And you
know what I mean, here's the thing

722
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,199
you could you've painted because I said
at this point, I really I don't

723
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,599
believe either of you. You've done
nothing but lie to us since we've walked

724
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:59,280
in this door. I'm not trying
to lie. I'm not trying. I'm

725
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,719
just I'm still happening by accident.
My question really is, how is this?

726
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,719
How is this tying to me?
I would ask back, how is

727
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,559
it not? But how your husband
you've stole money from a from a guy

728
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,320
a woman and makes inquiries about it, and your husband murders both of them.

729
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,239
That's what you're telling us. How
are you not? Neither one of

730
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,079
you were very nice people. I'll
be honest with you, because both of

731
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:29,480
you stole from an elderly disabled veteran, which is a real crappy thing to

732
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,480
do, and then some people,
two people get killed, and then neither

733
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:37,000
one of you were taking responsibility and
pointing the finger at each other. I

734
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:40,480
mean, that is just awful.
After Josh and Emilia were taken to jail,

735
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,760
Josh made several phone calls to his
family. During these calls, he

736
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,320
seemed more than willing to cut all
ties with his wife. I guess some

737
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,519
people don't take that hole till death
do us part thing very seriously. It

738
00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,800
seemed to be until my wife accuses
me of murder. Yeah, I'm not

739
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,880
staying with her. This is it. I just got married with this divorce.

740
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,760
That's fine for her to find me
and they do something like that to

741
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,159
me and try to throw me under
the bus for something she did. Yeah,

742
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,079
they have me on uttering, forgery, forgery, fraud and personal fraud

743
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,840
use without consent victim of sixty like. I didn't do any of this.

744
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,960
All I did was deposit two checks
for Amelia. Strangely, when josh talked

745
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,480
to his family, he only talked
about the financial crimes. He never mentioned

746
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:37,599
the murder charges, perhaps due to
shame he couldn't bring himself to tell them,

747
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:43,480
But his family eventually did learn about
it by simply watching the news.

748
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,840
I see the charge has been uplifted
to pledgury mort of it a firearm.

749
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,639
But it's all over the news and
everything. Really, yeah, it's the

750
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:59,440
news. Twenty eight year old Joshua
Ramsami and twenty five year old Amelia Bassoon

751
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:02,800
each a long list of charges at
the top of that list is two counts

752
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,920
of first degree murder and also face
charges in another case. Those charges include

753
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:14,039
theft, fraud, forgery, and
exploitation of the elderly. Needless to say,

754
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,039
when Josh's family found out about the
murder charges, they didn't take it

755
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:22,559
very well, and it was clear
that the collateral damage and emotional pain that

756
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:35,000
he and his wife had caused was
immense. Okay, don't hurt free,

757
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:49,880
yes, just look has to be. I don't want you to cry.

758
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,760
Just be strong. Just pray for
me, okay, just pray for your

759
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:06,320
brothers. In listening to Josh's jailhouse
phone calls, it's difficult to make sense

760
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:12,079
of the fact that Josh clearly came
from a very loving and supportive family as

761
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,119
a young man. Is character and
the way he treated others certainly needed a

762
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:21,119
lot of work, But Josh never
comes across as a murder for money kind

763
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:24,719
of guy. At the very least, we know that he didn't come from

764
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:32,000
an environment or family that would encourage
or excuse that kind of behavior. We're

765
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:37,760
all starting with you. Just hold
on your face light all right, all

766
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,920
right, all right, thank you. We allowed being aware here for you.

767
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,400
Given that Josh had never been in
any kind of trouble with the law

768
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:52,599
before. This was likely the case
of terrible decision making caused by very bad

769
01:00:52,719 --> 01:01:00,599
circumstances, namely Josh's marriage to Amelia. Of course, add marriage doesn't excuse

770
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:07,119
what Josh did. He's a grown
ass man and responsible for the choices that

771
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:10,400
he makes, but it's probably safe
to say that none of this would have

772
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:19,440
happened if Josh hadn't met and married
Amelia. Unfortunately for him, Josh's circumstances

773
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,440
didn't matter. All that mattered was
that two innocent people were gunned down in

774
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:30,199
their own home over a measly fifty
grand and because of that, Josh was

775
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:36,360
on the hook for two counts of
first degree murder. As for Amelia,

776
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,400
she was charged as a principal to
first degree murder and amazingly was able to

777
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,400
bond out of jail while she awaited
trial. But surprise, surprise, she

778
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:53,639
wasn't out for very long before she
got arrested again. In April of twenty

779
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,639
twenty one, While out un bond, Amelia was picked up on the side

780
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:04,440
of a freeway and charged with assault
after getting into a fight with a new

781
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:07,760
boyfriend. I was kidnap. Like, that's the problem that I'm having right

782
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:13,079
now that I'm so upset things you
guys, you're arresting me. I ask

783
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:17,000
you multiple times if you ever did
anything to him in every single time you

784
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,519
said you didn't. Well, I
told you when we're in the cart,

785
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,880
you never said you started hitting him. I asked you multiple times, yeah,

786
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,719
and you said you didn't. I
can I go talk to him.

787
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,320
He has bruising and scratches and everything
all right here on the side of his

788
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,519
head, and hold on. He
also has extensive bruising and stuff like that

789
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:38,000
on his chest, which makes no
sense. You're going to jail. What

790
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:45,360
a prize? Never put your male
genitalia in crazy fellas. Okay, now,

791
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:50,360
let's all just collectively take a deep
breath for a second. Okay,

792
01:02:51,039 --> 01:03:00,800
I'm gonna account to three. Just
breathe in one two three, exhale one

793
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:06,639
two three. Why did we do
that? Well, it's because you're about

794
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:09,039
to get pissed off and your blood
pressure is gonna rise. You're ready,

795
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:15,360
you're ready to get mad? All
right, here we go. Florida prosecutors

796
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:22,199
did not pursue murder charges against Amelia. But no, yeah, yeah,

797
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:25,719
yeah. The criminal justice system totally
treats women and men the same. Amelia

798
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:34,280
agreed to work with prosecutors and testify
against her now act's husband, Josh,

799
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:39,960
but she was still on the hook
at least for the fraud and exploitation of

800
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:45,239
the elderly charges. So at least
there's, you know, a silver lining

801
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,400
of sorts. Right, Should we
do another breath? No? All right,

802
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,719
here we go. In July of
twenty twenty one, Amelia was sentenced

803
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:04,079
to a grand total of three years
in prison and is scheduled to be released

804
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:12,719
in twenty twenty four. Okay,
all right, guys, check your blood

805
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:17,800
pressure. You don't want to get
it out of control. Uh fuck this

806
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:24,320
place. I don't even want to
be here anymore. As for Josh,

807
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:30,360
he was convicted of two counts of
first degree murder and given thirty years in

808
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:36,039
prison. Total fairness, right,
completely fair. Just go ahead and type

809
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:41,199
your comments in the show notes.
Let us know what you think of this

810
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:46,599
whole debacle. It girls set me
up for failure. Here broke, and

811
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:57,360
I should have knew it from the
get go. Listen to my parents jail.

812
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,800
There is no denying that Josh and
Amilia are terrible people at least they

813
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:12,079
were when they were arrested. The
flaws in their characters and selfish natures are

814
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:16,639
a big part of why this all
happened. Even if they had never met

815
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:23,559
and gotten married, they very well
might have found themselves in some kind of

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trouble. But maybe, and perhaps
more than likely, had they not tied

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the knot Cynthia's stack and her son
Sean would still be alive. Marriage is

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a complicated venture, and getting married
is not something that should be taken lightly.

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Yet oftentimes people getting married for reasons
that don't always produce the best results.

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Maybe it's to overcome loneliness, maybe
it's to have kids, or maybe

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it's to live up to some societal
or religious expectation. Whatever, there are

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reasons. Josh and Amilia were obviously
lacking in many important qualities that are required

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01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,679
to make a marriage work. The
two qualities that really stand out are devotion

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01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:23,119
and loyalty. In less than a
year of being hitched, Josh and Amilia

825
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,800
had no loyalty or devotion for each
other. If it meant saving their own

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,920
selfish ass, both of them were
willing to send the other spouse to prison

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for the rest of their life.
Notably, This also meant that they were

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both willing and actually hoping to pursue
their own lives without the person they agreed

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:55,079
to stay with forever. The modern
day institution of marriage is the result of

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01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:01,440
historical religious and cultural norms. Every
day, more and more people are seeing

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this institution as a bit outdated.
But for those considering the traditional route,

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and for those that might soon be
saying those two powerful words I do,

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01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,039
it's probably best not to see them
to someone simply because they can live with

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you. Instead, if you decide
to take the plunge, make sure it's

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to someone that can't live without you. Otherwise you might find yourself in a

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figurative prison, and if you're anything
like Josh or Amelia, you might even

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01:07:42,760 --> 01:08:02,719
find yourself in an actual prison.
Well that's going to do it. Hey.

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