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We' re already there. Welcome, welcome today I was eating a green

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apple popcorn. Welcome today. Welcome, Dr Amel Hello. How about there

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I hear a return would be I
didn' t hear it at first.

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I' ve already lost my return. I' ve lost my return,

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really. I think that I too, because very good evening happy start of

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week, a pleasure to be here
once again to talk, to analyze,

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to think and, above all,
to have a very good time, exactly

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welcome all those who are already here
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those who are passing by visiting us, well, thank you very much for

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in i Podcast and in Amazon Music. Thank you for being with us.

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This way Go the Huera, for
I already told them on the friday of

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the Huera and so on. But
she' s around because she wants popcorn,

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but I can' t give her
back, so she' s crazy

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and cooper' s out there resting. But welcome, we' re all

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going to talk today about these athletes
who had to open their onlyfans because they

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ran out of sponsorship. Others did
it by will, because hey they have

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a body. They' re high- performance sportsmen, a pair of bodywork.

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Today I was seeing that they make
millions, because imagine what does not

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give us the sport, because it
gives it the beauty. Let' s

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say or it was the fruit of
your effort. Before we go on and

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about the effort, our beloved Ephraim, Efra Baby, is not with us

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today because he brings a cough that
sent me a message. That' s

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how I can' t talk.
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it can be. Well, no, definitely, Ephraim' s on the

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run because tomorrow we' ve got
our women leaving a mark. Then let

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our beloved Ephraim recover from his cough. Well, I hope it' s

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nothing but a cold, and yes, yes, please, let' s

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hope it' s handy. But, well, let' s also talk

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about the series that started from Pack
Staley, look I' m not lying

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to you. Here' s the
goose to see, say hello, oh,

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beautiful. Oh, he' s
leaving Hi, he' s leaving.

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Well, look what he' s
up to. Let' s go

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to the first and first we got
a video. Efraín sent us a video

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of some nuns, but some Spanish
cloistered nuns who have decided to leave the

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Vatican and say we leave the Vatican, because here we no longer worship God,

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we already worship man. I,
at first said no, because I

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am made to these women santi so
medium, crazy or something, but no,

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because they give a pretty valid reason. He came back to you,

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but good good, because the popcorn
are here. They don' t think

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that, otherwise, this love,
this unmeasured love, but I didn'

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t always think it was love,
it was love, or who of pigeons.

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But yes, well, because all
these nuns decided that we leave the

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Vatican and because we are closing nuns, we are nuns of contemplation. And

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then exactly and these fifteen nuns say
today, because here you no longer worship

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God, but how times change,
uh, because on the sides you cost

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nothing. Yes, they caught a
lot of attention, because in addition,

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what the note says is that they
are the most sought after, but hidden.

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You don' t see why they
did their video and the whole thing

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then and searched for what for.
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going to happen, I guess,
is that they' re going to be

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removed. Surely they will excommunicate them
or something because they are abandoning them,

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because a vow normally made by the
nuns, that would be a vow of

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obedience to the institution that is the
Church, and therefore they will probably excommunicate

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them and that they say, yes, that they no longer agree and that

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they are not convinced. Which makes
me a little curious. I say with

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all peace and with all the respect
of the world to the decision they want

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to make and to what they want
to expose, because this is not new.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no. But
they leave with their habits still when

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they perform act. It says here
it corrects me, but it doesn'

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t. Carolina Maral says they'
re cloistered or closing nuns. No,

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they' re closing nuns, that' s what they' re called.

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I was in a religious school and, of course, they are closing nuns

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and so they are called and they
themselves say so. They say so,

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of course, and then they have
a vow of silence. They almost got

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us, they don' t get
out. They are locked in the monastery

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or where or in the convent where
they are exactly. They are the barefoot

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Carmelites, for example, but they
are convents, not monasteries, because they

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belong to the monks. But these
are convents of the cloistered nuns. But,

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well, that was a note that
seemed interesting to us, because,

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because they already see everywhere, everywhere, things happen like that they are asking

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me. Sara, Leli asks me
what breed the huera is. Huera is

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a breeding breed. Return that at
first, because I thought she was an

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ordinary dog in the street. But
no, because look for them is a

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very noble and well- retrived dog
farmer, we continue with the other one,

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because the other the ants and gal
or Paco are there, we were

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seeing what Ephraim had told us about
these all the athletes in the world who

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have gotten into the only fans,
the only fans, because, well,

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on other sides it was merely out
of ambition, for taking advantage of their

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excessive training, the steeds that they
have and therefore very millions and everything.

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But in Mexico remember that they were
cut off, because the sponsorship that Gabriela

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gagara, the director of Conade sent
them to sell panties, if they wanted

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sponsorship for and yet, because they
did not go to sell panties, but

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they did put on, made their
only fans and, in fact, we

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have had medals lately of athletes who
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financed. No, but the examples, for example, Alexander Orozco and Gabriela

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Agundez of twenty- six and twenty- two years that they are already,

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this was in the two thousand twenty. It was before, but they thought

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of selling their medals, which won
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so they could have a preparation and
attend the Olympics in Paris two thousand twenty

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- four. That' s what' s going on. For those who

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are going to go yes, what
happens is that they talk about different personal

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strategies that athletes have had to do
to be able to subsidize themselves and be

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able to present themselves in Olympics.
These girls, for example, because they

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had to think about selling this as
you say the medal, because there is

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the swim team that had to sell
the swimsuits and that Ana Gabriela Guevara mocked

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and said for me they can sell
whatever and others and others that are the

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ones who flatly did open their only
fans, as in the case of Diego

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Balleza. Diego Belleza, a Mexican
diver, opened it because his scholarship was

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taken. And now the monthly subscription
for the olf fans of it costs fifteen

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dollars and with that money covers certain
expenses in order to be able to register

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to the competitions and then to be
able to present itself. Well, because,

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since an aliphatic athlete, can give
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many things, besides teaching the guilty, because he can give you a lot

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of advice for anyone who likes the
sport and that the sport that they practice

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the appropriate one. Yes, because
it is what we have been told,

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that the contents are not anything else, they are to see the photos that

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will surely be or the s s
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most attractive, surely, but that
also offer many of them. Well,

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more than that, I don'
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them, are doing other things,
the synchronized side, because this is about

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the sale of swimsuits. But who
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is Mistick, a former Mexican wrestler
who was part of the global wrestling complex

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and as she did not receive the
necessary support, she says, as in

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other countries, for example, in
the United States, she did make the

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decision to open a profile of only
fans and has done very well. The

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average income for a fight is 78, 000 pesos, while today, with

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this content, it is earning about
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well, imagine, of course,
it' s very attractive and I

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really think it' s worth this
thing that if you have an expertise,

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if you have something you use expert
on, it' s worth sharing and

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if that' s going to make
you money after a great effort you'

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ve made all your life. Because
these athletes aren' t done in a

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year, they' re done throughout
their lives. They are children who were

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found with talent by their parents,
supported by coaches and are lives of many

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sacrifices. So, congratulations, and
keep it going well for anyone who likes

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it. Sports go and follow us
on your onlyfans. They' re reading

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us here. I' m reading
it here. Lupita and Doctora amel May

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you speak in broken souls of naun
galarza the young man with life sentence in

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Argentina. Beans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I know what you' re saying, I know what case you'

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re waiting for. It' s
the girl, not the girl. They

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' re called there because she'
s a girl. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey. Let' s

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move on to this theme that premiered
Friday Day The Amazon Prime series about Paco

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Stanley premiered. Then we had already
stopped the BIX, the documentary that seems

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good to me. I' ve
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them that before and vics and then
it didn' t work out and then

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it worked out and I close the
account that it' s very complicated to

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use bigs even though they give it
to you or. You pay for it,

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and this little thing tells you.
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out without big protests, more than
I think Paul Stanle' s. Since

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I don' t want to,
since they talk about my father, but

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there were other vows, that is, no more voices came out to say

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stop that from coming out, but
because they had given their testimony in some

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way. Now comes the Amazon Prime
series where at the beginning of each chapter

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it says that it is based on
facts that have already been judged and that,

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as I understand it, they are
attached to the ruling that has already

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been made. How good it is, this is also written with a certain

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fiction, because this is how you
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documentary, a series you have to, then, lay foundations for something that

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sustains it. So, that'
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first chapter begins with Paco Stanley'
s murder and puts real news footage of

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how the news spreads. And then
the development begins and they speak first of

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Jorge Gill, whom I think they
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as forgiveness. They present it terrible. He plays Diego Boneta very well played.

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I think so. It seems to
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good interpretations. I think it'
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according to what the series says,
the police rely on what Jorge Gill says

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to conduct an investigation. We have
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happens it was on the 7th of
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- nine, outside the puddle of
the Frogs, on the side of the

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Peripheus going from south to north,
almost corner with boulevard of light. Well,

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that' s where this murder takes
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' s what the news was.
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to do was to say that this
was the fault of the Government that we

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were living in great insecurity. You
can see a lot of videos, you

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don' t say and then we
have what remains of us as citizens,

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because, of course, the Head
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the first time, was the first
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Then, of course, we are
not all against him. And so,

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they put all the media pressure on
the authorities and Samuel del Villar,

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who was the prosecutor at the time, because we have to take this case

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out and see who the culprits are. And according to the series, according

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to what is seen in the series, it is Jorge Gill who gives the

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pattern, it is the one who
gives rise to if not you who looks

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how strange. Hey, just when
we' re leaving, Mario Besares'

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phone rings, he goes to the
bathroom, he doesn' t get out

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on time. We have to wait
outside. And that' s where the

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execution comes and it speaks of strong
things, like addictions, like infidelities,

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like arrogance, and I don'
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chapters. Yes, there are,
therefore, shocking, because the intention,

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as they announce it there, is
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the characters who were most directly involved
in this terrible case. Yes, it

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is understood that in the first moment, because imagine Lupita, we were in

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the ninety- nine, with all
this that you have just exposed in the

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political question, and it is hardly
when I started a level of violence that

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seems to have gotten used to little
by little, but that at that moment

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it was really very surprising, because
it was also a well- known figure

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and by many people dear. So, of course, the initial reaction was

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what' s going on in this
country, who' s going to take

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care of us or who' s
taking care of us and what we can

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expect from the other citizens, because
it seemed a little fortuitous. There was

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no talk of an attempted assault or
kidnapping and that it was not known at

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the time or thought at the time
that there was anything else. So,

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yes, it' s very impactful
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always going to keep making noise and
all the hypotheses around, many of which

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fell during the process itself, because
they' re going to appear again in

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this story. The matter of Jorge
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well we knew since he published his
book, he told him, he'

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s materially blaming Mario Besares for things
and he' s talking about he wouldn

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' t even have to be there, because he had absolutely nothing to do

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with anything that would have caused this
attack. Then, in fact, in

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the series, he does appear as
someone very blurred with a great desire to

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do a different journalism that, moreover, was a journalism that seemed to have

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no place in this program. It
didn' t seem like he doesn'

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t have much mogart. I wanted
to do a separate program and as Paco

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was already strengthened on the TV,
they could have produced something I don'

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t know how they do it today
to the extreme or something, just like

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I wanted him to, but Mira
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fit me. According to that time, at the time of the murder,

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it was said that Mario Besares never
left the bathroom and that a waiter warned

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him not to leave. And you
can' t see that. If it

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doesn' t look like that,
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He goes with his crutches walking very
slowly and the waiters, when the

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shooting starts, they knock him to
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because they come for you too then
they do in the series, but

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you know that the series aha restaurant
what they say in the series. For

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example, it' s like Jorge
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prosecutor' s office about Mario Besares
is to present him as a man who

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when he visits him at ten in
the morning, offers him a whiskey that

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when he says he hears we will
continue with this project. No, no,

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I' m in mourning, but
as very despotous as it is,

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they don' t introduce him to
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right now, there is a lawsuit
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During his turn he has said that
he will also sue good and already

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in fact a former prosecutor again lion
is who will be Paula' s lawyer

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for himself. What happens is that
there what they show is that Mario kisses

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according to the version he presents in
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s version, there are two moments
when Mario leaves first he says that he

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has a call and that he has
to attend it. He gets up with

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crutches that are also said, but
why with crutches If they had just done

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the program. The show' s
on. There are fragments of the program

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here on YouTube, where you can
see that it does bring a splint,

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a boot or something in the ear, but they even dance, because there

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is very much liela, very stained
in the series that they put instead of

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the hen, they put the pericusa. That' s awful. That'

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s very tainted by writers and production. Well, that' s how they

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put it because they supposedly change the
name, although they don' t change

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the name of the characters, they
change the name of the dance, they

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change the name of the program.
But they also choose a name with a

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very evident, accurate connotation. But
he goes out on the show without crutches

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as a half walking wrong, but
he can walk and then in the restaurant

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without crutches and then he supposedly goes
to take the call back. And when

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you' re going to sit down
and say yes now, let' s

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go, let' s get out
of here. Then no, now I

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have to go to the bathroom because
something shut me down really bad. So,

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yes, there' s a perception, let' s say Jorge Gill

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' s, that he' s
doing everything in a deliberate and very notorious

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way, and he' s just
gone to breakfast because he wants to be

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produced by that journalistic program that he' s really looking forward to doing.

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In addition, they' re selling
him napkins, the guaruras, the driver

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treats him badly there, yes,
they bully him and he submits, he

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holds on. He talks to his
wife that I' m going to have

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to stay here for a while because
maybe I' ll get the show done.

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I mean, he' s a
very submissive person and that, in

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the end, what he seems to
want to show with that, because it

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had nothing to do with anything dark
that was going on there, including what

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you say so that they would drink
alcohol at any time and he had nothing

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to do with it. No.
That would be what the first chapter is

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showing before at the same time of
these parties that had almost orgies of the

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problems that then begins to have Mario
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because she is the second yes,
because they are presenting as character by exact

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character and then the second is already
Mario. They' re already talking about

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this problem she' s having with
her wife, the harassment she has to

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see mentioned, that is, they
let it look like they open up in

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sorrows. He didn' t like
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That' s what they show if
exactly heavy michas Paco Stanley at the time

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was a very dear character. Everyone
declared around this was Paco Stanley. So

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it was to continue to do reports
in the famous press and people of the

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village, because it was a funeral
that, because it occupied the headlines,

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broadcast it on television. I insist
there was a lot of criticism of the

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Government and the Government had to get
it out here to say what happened was

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not this. And that' s
when you start to mention the issue of

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addictions, the issue of the relationship
with people of crime, and, well,

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then, you completely blur the figure
of Paco Stanley. Here we have

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him in pictures with him, doing
the tenorium, here he is with Magdaleno,

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there he is interviewing Marga Lopez,
doing other shows. These are reports

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of the time, suffering, despair, in disbelief of Paquito Stanley speaking of

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his son, many famous, declaring
Benito Castro Iraneori to Cela Robins, although

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I want so much not or not
in Seville. So and well, a

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constant tribute to Paco Stanley for what
had happened. But look here there were

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statements from Paco. I' ve
got the best poppies in Mexico. Manuel

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Anneta is short. It' s
just that he was very nice. Actually,

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the look in my eyes has melted
many beautiful women. The nose with

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a little cat' s gesture,
I kill the women. But, well,

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if he was nice, he was
a much- loved joker character with

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a very particular duality, because he
was also heavy. He was the classic

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character who either loved him or hated
him. There were a lot of people

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who said he liked it bad and
old Sandron because it was heavy. His

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mood was heavy, but he also
had that something that attracted people a lot

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and wanted to be there. He
had a great audience and he also had

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those moments because he had a great
voice, he was a great announcer.

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I had those sensitive moments where I
could suddenly claim a poem and move,

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because how to do it. No, then I think it was a very

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complex personality and therefore very attractive,
mysterious and so all this legend that has

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already been woven around it. And
indeed, in the second chapter, which

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is now the vision of Mario Bésares, which I also consider to be very

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well interpreted by him Luis Grardo Méndez, who yes already said, does not

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look physically, because I believe that
here what mattered least to the producers and

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director was that they looked alike,
but that they could really portray the personality

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that they want to show us of
each one of them. And I think

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they do very well. And then, yes, there appears a Mario Besares

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who at first was working with him
from Televisa doing a very successful program,

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but like a tone still very quiet, very familiar. Each one of them

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a little bit already beginning to enjoy
the enormous success he had, but still

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as a calmer Stanley paco when he
says they part for a while. Here

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they put us Mario Bésares, who
wants to be an actor, who is

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acting Shakespeare, nothing more and nothing
less, is doing Macbeth, which,

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by the way, because they say
it is bad luck, but well he

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is doing the role and then he
looks for it again Mario and tells him

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we are going to go to Azteca
TV and they love us both. There

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also appears this little part of how
Mario sees himself as a very important pillar

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in the Paco race. That'
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going back with him, because if
I don' t go, they won

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' t hire him. They almost
want him for me, or they want

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us together at least. So there
already seems this touch let' s say

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of pride also of Mario Bésares,
of me I am important. Then they

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go there and start them off very
well. Yes, you can already see

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a much sharper deal on the scene, which is what is said that Mario

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Besares did cause resentment. I don' t doubt it, I don'

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t doubt it as much as they
say. That' s how they got

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along and that' s how the
characters were. That' s why Mario

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talks to him about sir and Paco
talks about mayito, but he does give

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him his bumps. All of a
sudden he pushes him, he shuts him

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up, and I think that as
much acting as he could be or as

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much as he agreed, he does
generate real discomfort and then he already presents

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that almost he did. I didn' t want to, I didn'

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t want to, but he'
s throwing me a party. I didn

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' t want to, I didn' t want to, but we'

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re already in a Jacuzzi with a
lot of girls, very pretty. Take

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and take and do everything, and
I wanted it, I didn' t

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want it, but he' s
going in and in and out of this

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dynamic of so much madness, not
too much out front. I think it

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was having a dick. He'
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I was sorry, it' s
just that then either I have this hole

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or the dogs barking. But I
think it was a lot, a lot

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of fame, very soon, a
lot of money, a lot of power,

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somehow, yes, this matter of
the relationships I had with crime people

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was indeed true. Well, that
also somehow empowers him and makes him feel

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untouchable. Not as some say,
that' s what I read in a

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magazine. The magazine that said one
of the versions was that he had been

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very close to being lord of the
heavens and he gave him some properties.

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And when the lord of ci dies
of us, for they ask him for

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the properties which he has not returned. No, that was one of the

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theories. Yeah, and look.
I could not say and assure 100%

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who are the guilty and who are
not the guilty. They were acquitted Paola

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during sure, during forgiveness, also
Mario Besares, also Mr Garnica seems to

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me and to another person who I
don' t remember his name, but

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who are also suing together with Paola
during we can' t tell the truth,

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is that to know, but it
was a case that the Attorney General

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' s Office armed to make it
seem credible. And but today I was

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listening to Paola during Gustavo dor'
s program It was infanti and I was

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saying, because it' s me
what it is. I had nothing to

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do with breakfast. It was me
for being a woman and for being there

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that got me muddled. Now,
Paola, during just opening your channel here

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on YouTube called who' s Paola
hasn' t said anything. She says

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she' s going to comment on
the chapters and that, well, she

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' s going to say a lot
of things that haven' t been said

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yet, but that' s going
to do nothing else on her channel.

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And when I see how they have
portrayed her, it will be very interesting,

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because they are truths that we have
not heard. A documentary has already

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been made, books have already been
made, the case has already been discussed

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in many places but we still do
not listen to this version then because that

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is, more than a year in
prison. And what happens is that Amario

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kissing is accused, because circumstances,
then, lend themselves to this suspicion exactly

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a great deal. You' ve
got a just a day before. Just

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a day before, you hurt your
toe. As you just said on the

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show you see him dancing the chicken, but in the restaurant he can'

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t walk because he brings crutches,
gets a call, sits down, takes

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time. Then probably not, and
I believe him. If he says no.

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And what he swears, and for
he knows his truth, for I

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believe him, but the circumstances accused
him. Yes and at the same time,

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because sometimes things like that do not
happen, sometimes things do happen that,

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well, what a coincidence or there
will be people who say look for

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something happened to me. I don' t know. There were also those

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who said and it was necessary for
Mario Besares to do anything beyond saying we

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will be in such a restaurant,
that is, it was necessary for him

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to do something else, or he
will go the such restaurant had to be

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there, he had to go to
the bathroom. We don' t know

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anything, but the truth is,
we do. That' s what made

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this generate and keep generating so much
noise now this image of Mario. He

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was, evidently, younger Paco,
already the great pacoestarle and for those times.

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Yes, it is also true that
there is a leader in these,

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in these couples let' s say
successful characters. Yes, there is a

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leader and usually because it is the
one who has the experience and the name

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that can pull the other, that
is, it may be true that Mario

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has little married, has very small
children, Paco is already separated, already

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has different couples and others and is
much more involved in this atmosphere of the

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party, of the freedom of singleness. Mario Besar is certainly not, I

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mean yes. I had a newly
built family. So that part, because

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we could consider it a little bit
real, is that he' s invited

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me. But it is also true
that Mario later liked it also clear by

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favo. This one keeps the power, you like the power and make money.

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Of course you love making money.
And here the thing is, yes,

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you have to remember that Mario Besares
comes out because there' s no

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evidence, for lack of evidence.
He is acquitted, yes, but they

413
00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:00.759
never say it was proven, because
it is not necessary to remember that the

414
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.119
one of proof then well, since
the prosecutor' s office does not have

415
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.720
enough evidence to prove that Mario had
some kind of connection to this death or

416
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.480
to this murder that would have put
him. But yes, there is doubt.

417
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.480
And, well, there was another
joke that was very heavy, that

418
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.920
was constant, that was about Brenda
Besar' s youngest son is that I

419
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.039
understand it very well. It opens
to Besares and Mario because relive this case

420
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.960
and relive this whole story and put
it back into a series, because it

421
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.759
hurts their son, they as you
were adults. Well, your son and

422
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.200
now he must be of age,
I suppose. But anyway, I mean,

423
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.960
no one doesn' t like to
hear this story. No, yes,

424
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.039
yes, it is for those who
when they came to be the joke

425
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.039
as such suddenly there on the show, a terrible joke, very offensive and

426
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.839
then all the rumors. Worse,
someone was putting forgiveness here. I lost

427
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.240
my name, but yes, of
course, there was a collateral victim who

428
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.960
had absolutely nothing to do with it. I don' t remember the last

429
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.759
name, but the first name I' ll never forget. Joseph of Jesus

430
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:03.359
was called this lord who touched him, unfortunately, to be in that case

431
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.279
and to lose his life when it
happens in the facts. Yes, it

432
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.400
was and it is a real tragedy
also for his family, no doubt,

433
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.839
but well, these are the famous
and the ones who put together this whole

434
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.720
hypothesis of what kind of connections they
would have had with whom to make things

435
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:26.000
so clever and so radical that they
were, in fact well the one who

436
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.039
was left alive, The driver who
was left alive, Jorge Gill, because

437
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:36.400
it is practically a miracle, because
it was really a stabbing. Not that

438
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.920
then, but I do believe that
the format, the format that is the

439
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.599
one that is pretending to make this
production, because it is like they what

440
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.759
they mean is not our version,
or anything, but this has already been

441
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:53.480
judged. But what the way in
which each of these characters lived by Juan

442
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:59.359
Manuel de Jesús, to many thanks, my dear Teresa, Juan Manuel de

443
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.039
Jesús Núñez is the victim. Then
it' s not John of God.

444
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:07.720
I thank you, Juan Manuel de
Jesús, to say how each of them

445
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:13.240
lived it from the point of view
where they were and how they must have

446
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.799
suffered it because in the case,
for example, of Mario Bésares, it

447
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.440
is seen that he is in a
root with his lawyer speaking and saying normal.

448
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.200
The lawyer usually tells him to dictate
a household, it takes about fifteen

449
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:31.000
days. In your case it was
granted in 15 minutes. That' s

450
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.759
what the lawyer says. It'
s the show. So that' s

451
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.279
where you see that there' s
a rush also on the part of the

452
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:45.960
selfs, the attorney, to give
an answer that is demanded by the citizenry

453
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.359
and that' s why most likely
the investigation, because it' s not

454
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.000
going to be the best or the
most thorough, but the most hurried,

455
00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:00.319
the most hurried and the one that
looks here, for example, I'

456
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.079
m reading says Chris z with Jordin
and and Adela micha. I suppose Mario

457
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.599
Besares gave different versions that also differed
from his statements in the ninety- nine.

458
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.880
Indeed, stela. What is not
right is that they also do Mario

459
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.039
and Brenda at this point, because
they don' t. I don'

460
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:19.480
t think so at all. You' re Magic He just joined a distributor.

461
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.240
Not candy, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Then,

462
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:28.079
well, I was in shock,
he says, but he says I

463
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.960
was in shock when that theory came
out that one of Mario' s sons

464
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.400
was Paco' s. So many
things happened and took place that so far

465
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.319
we do not know well what really
happened with Paco' s death, that

466
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.640
is, when he rooked at the
beginning, also when there were still not

467
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.200
all these versions given by the Attorney
General' s Office. Well, the

468
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.160
one version of the procuraduría and others
that don' t, because we haven

469
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.640
' t known but at first the
media is a possible kidnapping. And that

470
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.759
what the citizens said is in the
hands of the kidnappers and not because it

471
00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:00.920
would have been a kidnapping. They
take him away, period, but here

472
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.799
was not the intention. I didn' t mean to. Yes, something

473
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:14.119
that strengthens the demand of the citizenry
manipulated by the media, but that which

474
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.239
you put orchestrated by the power of
the right, because it is not from

475
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.800
right to left. It is the
power of the media according to their own

476
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.760
interests, left, right center or
whatever you want, because today, because

477
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.519
they support the left. So it
would be different. And, moreover,

478
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:35.920
I believe that the citizenry, even
if it were fed by the media demonstrations

479
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:42.320
that were very evident and very insistent, well, but it is also true

480
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.400
that the citizenry was truly horrified.
Of course and for suter nothing, that

481
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.880
' s what I didn' t
need to sell it to him. No

482
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:55.079
one knows how to think that in
broad daylight, in a place where families

483
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:01.760
go very regularly to eat at nothing, to have breakfast at any gold a

484
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:07.000
very well- known place, very
busy, of course, that symbolized society

485
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.239
alone the exact fact. Hey,
Mira says the gourmet gossip. I haven

486
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.880
' t seen the show, but
I' ve always believed Paco was put

487
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.000
on and eliminated. I don'
t know if it was for Mario,

488
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.719
because many times it' s happened
that the one who seems most guilty is

489
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.360
totally innocent. Well, that'
s a lot of thriller, but you

490
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:28.840
know what I' m going to
tell you here there' s something that,

491
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.960
by seeing the way it happened to
the murder, there wasn' t

492
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.039
a second floor yet, but there
was a pedestrian bridge in front of the

493
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:43.000
exactly in the frog pool. Some
of the executors fled through that pedestrian bridge,

494
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.559
gave them time, and from there
they also went up to see how

495
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.440
they knew Paco was there, how
they knew when they came out. Because

496
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.639
it' s not in it either
that they were waiting out there standing around

497
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.679
so that as soon as they got
out. No. Someone should have warned

498
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:05.480
them. At the moment, Paco
is coming out. Someone, of course,

499
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.519
should have warned them right now.
We are in the puddle of frogs,

500
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:16.519
at this moment we are asking for
the account and at this moment Paco

501
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:22.960
has already left the restaurant itself,
because the incomplicity of the facts reveals,

502
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.840
that is, crossing this bridge,
because it was not like thirty seconds,

503
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.920
No, because at least one minute. If it has taken a long time

504
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:37.519
to climb up and down, cross
the street that were several and kill him,

505
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:43.719
then, we will assume that Mario
Sares is totally innocent. But it

506
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.800
is that, therefore, leaves many
doubts this case and after so many years,

507
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:52.519
that is why the documentary is still
made, but the series because there

508
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.440
are many doubts. And one thing
that I said that also feeds this hypothesis

509
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:07.320
that there was a real problem with
some criminal organization, is that precisely that

510
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.960
last program that did Paco before having
gone out to that restaurant for breakfast,

511
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.119
he made a reflection. I don' t know if you remember, but

512
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:27.360
he did before closing the doctor froze
to the Auro program. Oh, tell

513
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:37.000
me who froze. The doctor repeats
that something that also increased the impression that

514
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.800
there was something else there, that
talked about some connection with some criminal organization,

515
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.280
was that in that last program that
made Paco before going to the puddle

516
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:52.800
for breakfast, he does, in
addition to everything that he did the jokes,

517
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.679
the games, the jokes and so
on, he does a reflection.

518
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.559
I froze myself, but I'
m not frozen anymore. There' s

519
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.880
no truth. He does not think
about it and an invitation to the authorities,

520
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.639
and he says at that moment that
the country and the city are becoming

521
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.280
dangerous places and that it is not
fair that the authorities are not looking after

522
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.840
the citizens as they should, that
there is a lot of violence, that

523
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:30.159
they are knowing every day of attacks
or assaults and so on, and that

524
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:31.599
the truth is that it is not
fair and what they are asking, please,

525
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.360
of the authorities to do the job
and take care of the citizens.

526
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.360
He said it that day. Then
there are those who consider that he must

527
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:45.119
have received a direct threat where he
knew himself to be in danger and that

528
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.880
is why he wanted to leave that
message, perhaps so that there would be

529
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.039
greater care. Nothing will happen or
as if you knew something was going to

530
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:57.480
happen. I don' t know, but that' s a reality.

531
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.599
In that last program he made a
complaint to the authorities that same day,

532
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:07.599
in that last program and that'
s why they also eat so many things

533
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:09.559
that could be brought together, because
here they mention that he could also have

534
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.400
given a waiter of the then no, no, because the waiters did not

535
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.360
know that paco are the ibera breakfast
that day. They didn' t know

536
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.440
the waiters of the people who worked
at the restaurant had no idea. They

537
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:22.920
don' t know who' s
gonna go to that. It' s

538
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.840
not a restaurant, it' s
a reservation. It' s a very

539
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.719
big taquería where a lot of people
can get there and if they' re

540
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:30.320
busy, then that' s where
they wait. But that' s not

541
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.320
crowded on a weekday at midnight.
It' s not like that. Then,

542
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.280
of course, they ruled out all
the restaurant staff because they had nothing

543
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:45.239
to do with it, nothing,
but exactly delia. Sara asks you and

544
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.280
you know who called Mario kisses,
because the problem is that we' re

545
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.159
talking about a thousand nine hundred ninety- nine. So right now, they

546
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:58.119
could ask me to give you your
cell phone and I' m gonna check

547
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.920
how far you stood. Not anymore, but it wasn' t like that

548
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.159
at the time. The technology doesn' t, and I think in the

549
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.079
series it says that I think the
series says it' s talking to Brenda,

550
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.199
the one that he already sees how
it' s Brenda, but we

551
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.039
don' t know if it was, it wasn' t. But in

552
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.280
the series it' s where the
show says when they go on restaurant road,

553
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:21.199
they even pass it on and he
makes a bad joke. Brenda,

554
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.840
Brenda, hang up her phone and
give it back to her. But then,

555
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.679
according to him, Brenda talks to
him again, supposedlyándale re-

556
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:34.800
alizar te. And that from the
comment What I pointed out that he makes

557
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.559
a claim to the authorities? Yes, there were those who said ah then

558
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.719
for claiming from the authorities. It
happened to him not, but rather the

559
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:49.599
hypothesis was that he already had strong
and serious threats about himself and that this

560
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:53.800
is why the authorities make this call. And well, since what would be

561
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:59.519
planned back in time happened. Not
that by that time he decided to do

562
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.480
something to him, because he made
a public claim to authority. That was

563
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:08.360
not the intention, let' s
say, of those who have pointed it

564
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.639
out, that event as part of
everything they are putting together, as Lupita

565
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.480
says, what is being added,
but also this, but also the other

566
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.960
thing, the here, the over
there and the versions that Mario has changed

567
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.519
is also true. Yeah, it' s true that well he even said

568
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.320
he wrote his friend' s book
where Paco was saying he was my friend

569
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:27.760
and then he was already in a
recent interview that he was never his friend.

570
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.559
So you' ve changed it here. What the series shows is,

571
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.360
apparently, what the relationship was like
at that time and at that time and

572
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.960
how Mario talked about Paco, as
he told his wife, what Paco was

573
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:43.400
for him. There are moments where
he says I am very grateful to him,

574
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.960
because he pulled me, took me
with him and look where we are

575
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.480
now. And then there are other
moments where he says now I have to

576
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.079
help him because without me, they
won' t. There' s no

577
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:57.039
show. Mira says Paola was sorry, she erased it, Paola was in

578
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.000
the saga and said Paco was an
accuser and how he didn' t exo

579
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:02.800
go out with him the other day
he took her by the neck. That

580
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.679
is one of the things that involved
Paola during because, according to this,

581
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.320
she had been harassed and then could
have been a cause, which was very,

582
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.039
very fragile. It' s hear, but it does cost Paola for

583
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.920
a year, that is, at
least a year in prison and that was

584
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:25.840
not a father. You' ll
have to listen to Paola' s version

585
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.559
during his channel that I insist I
got in. It' s a very

586
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.440
short video where it just says I' m going to tell the truth and

587
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.000
I haven' t done anything with
Gustavo yet. Adolfo Infante didn' t

588
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.400
say anything either, and well,
I did the truth. At first I

589
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.559
said no, because Gacho didn'
t tell, but I' m going

590
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.280
to tell you something. Then I
kept thinking and I reasoned and said good

591
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.239
to see if vic profited with his
story, if Amazon Prime is profiting,

592
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.880
because Paula lasts You open his channel
and they will see it, you also

593
00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.519
have the right to money with the
drama she lived. That she lived because,

594
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.760
of course, it' s her
story. We are telling a story

595
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.000
that we are seeing as a series
and we tell it not in other words,

596
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.000
probably in broken souls. We could
count it as a crime, but

597
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.960
we' re counting it as a
program that' s going on and that

598
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:21.519
' s going to be chapters on
Fridays, I guess with regular, that

599
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:22.639
is, until it' s over
at all. He is lending it as

600
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.960
a program that is based on a
fact of real life and apparently based on

601
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.719
Jorge Gill' s book. Exactly
it' s a show we' re

602
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.360
talking about, because it' s
not even a documentary, it' s

603
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.199
just a series based on that,
showing what they say are each other'

604
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:45.480
s views. Now I think that
also something interesting to consider would be not

605
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:52.119
forgetting that this was truly traumatic for
absolutely everyone who was present and for many

606
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:57.800
of those who saw it happen at
a distance. Thank God. Yes,

607
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.519
it was very traumatic. It was
something that really without the country. Now

608
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.440
let' s imagine how he lived
it. Each of those who were there

609
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:09.400
had or did not have some kind
of influence or participation in the events.

610
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:16.599
I believe that the most important emotion
that exists there is fear, that is,

611
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:25.000
an intolerable fear, incalculable that does
portray itself very clear in the episode

612
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:32.760
of Jorge Gill, a terror,
a hellish terror. Then even today I

613
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:38.079
believe that terror must prevail. I
don' t know if people, for

614
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.920
example, well, we already know
that many are no longer there, but

615
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.360
that they still feel the same lupit, so it doesn' t seem that

616
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:51.079
easy and we couldn' t,
even if we wanted to ask anyone to

617
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:52.320
tell us. Well, no,
no, no, no, no,

618
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

619
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

620
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

621
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

622
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

623
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

624
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

625
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

626
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

627
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

628
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no no, no,

629
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

630
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

631
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

632
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

633
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

634
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

635
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

636
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

637
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

638
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

639
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

640
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

641
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

642
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

643
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

644
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

645
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

646
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

647
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

648
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

649
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

650
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:52.320
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

651
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.480
no, Not very licit, for
not because you should have been terrifying to

652
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.880
terrible, terrible. Imagine the impact, that is, no, no,

653
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:07.039
no, no, because creating yourself
was also in jail, not knowing if

654
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.840
you' re going out or not
going out. Really. I think emotionally,

655
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.639
all these characters were touched forever.
Now look clear, all of you.

656
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:22.719
Of course. Says Georgina, poor
Bildo Sola, Mario Besares, but

657
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.599
his statements have been very inconsistent.
One day he says one thing and the

658
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.920
next day he says another thing.
I am going to say something about this.

659
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.679
When you have, when you live
a traumatic event this way, because

660
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:40.679
a bullet, because one is a
very very traumatic thing, you can'

661
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.239
t remember it exactly as it was
exactly to the letter. I can assure

662
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.239
you that even the driver could not
have said it, that they also stop

663
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:54.519
it, that is, not even
the meser or someone could not say exactly

664
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.880
how it was, because they are
facts that are blocked. Now what could

665
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:07.280
be said and certainly what were the
relationships they had between the team. That

666
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:08.840
' s right, and that'
s what the show is doing. So,

667
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:14.719
when they take Jorge Hill to the
scene of the events to make this

668
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:22.079
scene, this recreation of the facts, because practically when he says something,

669
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.320
says the driver. What he did
was try to escape. Ah well then

670
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.719
the driver is guilty and Jorge says
so hey, but I never said he

671
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.960
was guilty. I just said it
was trying to escape, but then grab

672
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.360
the driver as if he were guilty
and he was going to see. I

673
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.199
believe that in that one you do
have to give Jorge Gill the benefit of

674
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.280
the doubt, because, of course, and the driver himself, that is,

675
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.039
if they are shooting you, because
you escape, because you write what

676
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:51.280
it is to speed up and escape
normal reaction, as it happened to Maines.

677
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.280
No, you want to get away
and he couldn' t go and

678
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.679
he stayed there. But yes,
yes, I think maybe there will be

679
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.440
things that are inaccurate, because among
them they will contradict each other because everyone

680
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:07.719
saw it differently, lived it differently
and remembers it differently. But relationships,

681
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:13.559
what the series is proposing. Yeah, I think I' m pretty illustrated.

682
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:21.199
Yes, if even in a non
minor car crash or regular are the

683
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.079
truth. Sometimes it' s hard. It' s not that I came

684
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.920
here, but it got no,
but to see how you where the person

685
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.119
was by the scare, by the
nerves. It can be confused, it

686
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.159
can erase some things. Imagine yourself
in something this size, of course,

687
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.119
tremendously traumatic. Of course it'
s hard to remember everything to the letter.

688
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.119
Sometimes things get upset after they already
remember. Well, no, no,

689
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.440
you don' t know it always
was. It is very complicated and

690
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.599
I think I tell you above all
the most important and dominant emotion in this,

691
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.039
because it must have been a fear, tremendous, tremendous and totally understandable.

692
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.280
What I have always noticed and it
has seemed important to me is that

693
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:05.159
with everything and what was said and
what was lived and the time Mario was

694
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.840
in prison and his name on the
mouth of everyone, just like Paola and

695
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.719
other characters, because the case is
that Ellie Brenda have followed together to this

696
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.599
day. Of course, today,
they are still together and to see,

697
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.719
indeed, what they are writing to
us here, that I am reading to

698
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:29.760
us, we should all do this
exercise of sincerity. Crime is fashionable,

699
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:36.679
crime. We have research Discovery,
but a lot of documentaries and a lot

700
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.800
of shows and a lot of real- life series about crimes. Well,

701
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:45.079
Paco Stanley' s was very famous
and, of course Amazon Prime does not

702
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:51.159
in order to clarify anything, in
order to generate profits. Point I mean,

703
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.079
it suits them. And that'
s how other documentaries have done and

704
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.639
how other series have done. And, well, it' s a business.

705
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.039
They' re presenting this document.
What is not and is not valid

706
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.719
and I fully agree with you is
that this should lead to a personal matter

707
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.920
with kisses. If they' ve
already lived it, they' ve already

708
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.920
had it, they' ve already
suffered it, they' re already out.

709
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:19.519
But after having this trauma that many
people in the public still send this

710
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.079
hatred and threats, it shouldn'
t be. I don' t think

711
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:29.280
it should be, not at all
And besides, like why or why not?

712
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.920
If the tragedy was theirs and the
Stanley family, then people who have

713
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:38.760
nothing to do with what or why
they should be attacked or attacked. No,

714
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.880
no, that' s taking something
to get the same. Exactly Mira

715
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:51.320
says to the Maria Moreno. I
see a lot of interrogation in alleged murderers

716
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.280
or accomplices. If they are not
only asked once, they are asked several

717
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.639
times whether they themselves do not know
what they said and ask them differently.

718
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.199
And that' s no more in
crimes in inheritance lawsuits, and then they

719
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:07.840
ask questions like that. So it' s enough to try to find a

720
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:15.719
contradiction. And so interrogations must be
carried out by people with enough experience and

721
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:21.239
ethics to be able to elucidate between
all those confusions what the reality is,

722
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:25.800
because they have one or. They
should have a preparation and training to be

723
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.920
able to achieve that and that'
s why interrogations are designed exactly eva plasencia,

724
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.239
Lupita says. The weird thing is
that the Paco family doesn' t

725
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.840
go out to blame anyone. Then
they knew what they were doing for their

726
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.039
safety they remained silent after deaths that
I don' t even think they,

727
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.280
for sure they know it and much
a child put that little boy popul truth

728
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:50.400
was very small, because I say
he would be twelve years old, that

729
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.760
is, he wouldn' t have
to know, why imagine or why he

730
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.920
was involved. In fact, he
didn' t live with pay they are,

731
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.000
but because his other children I don' t know if they' ve

732
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.000
really been involved in it this is
not that we all know, that is,

733
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.679
the dad can have a job and
that' s not why we know

734
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.400
all the clients, because no,
you don' t know us, he

735
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:10.400
doesn' t need the metis above, but you don' t know.

736
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.480
Don' t look at this too
that says you' re magic that now

737
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.880
Mario refuses to be his friend,
because he wants to end all this and

738
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.679
he' s partly right. He
wasn' t his friend but a party

739
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.639
and a job, and maybe he
already realized that, yes. That can

740
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:29.440
also happen if someone can believe that
a person has been their friend for many

741
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.360
years and in the light of time, remembering the story, the deal that

742
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.679
united them, how it united them, yes, you certainly are right.

743
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.519
You can come to the conclusion and
say, no. He wasn' t

744
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.920
really my friend, not exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dad,

745
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:49.119
it might be, but look.
I believe in the person look to see.

746
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.440
We read this one We already said
good- bye to Attorney Samuel of

747
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:53.079
the Billiards. You think he'
d tell the truth, all of you.

748
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.639
It was a clear sentence with that
solicitor, because look, it can

749
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.760
be. In the end we have
no certainty, no answer, no absolute

750
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:07.159
truth. And that there are many
parts and those involved are those who know

751
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.719
and who were the hit men,
for they will also know if they live

752
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.559
for one or if they are engaged
in it, I don' t know,

753
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.679
nobody knows. Yeah, yeah.
It' s a very painful case

754
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.199
for kissing, for Paola during,
but it happened. That' s what

755
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.360
you can' t deny. That
is what cannot be denied and that we

756
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:29.000
will have doubts and that people will
continue to speculate because, then, there

757
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:37.639
is no way to check anything and
see clearly that every proportion kept. Those

758
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:44.719
cases that remain with so much doubt
always sadly give that talk for a very

759
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.960
long time, for decades, and
I say all proportion saved, because I

760
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:52.239
think, for example, of Kennedy' s murder, not how much series

761
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:53.280
there is, how much film has
not been made. Periodically the issue is

762
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.159
taken up again, because it will
always attract attention, because they were things

763
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:02.920
that really marked the history of each
country, this city, in this case

764
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.639
of this city, hear you already
to say goodbye says we will continue with

765
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:08.599
this issue. They don' t
think there' s no lupit. They

766
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:13.960
could have been following him not necessarily, of course they may have been following

767
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.280
him. Of course, we'
re going to assume that from television until

768
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.199
it' s very close to the
puddle of frogs, i e, Aztec

769
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.639
television, you turn around in a
peripheral clover and you get there and walk

770
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:32.159
very little and it' s very
close that may be, but for the

771
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.360
timing, as I described them from
the exit, from the restaurant, yes,

772
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.840
someone has to have warned, because
that was in a matter of seconds.

773
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:44.119
But good time to say good-
bye, Dr Amel, and let

774
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.440
' s get on with it.
They don' t think they don'

775
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:50.760
t and they go from the messages, if they have their theories or whatever

776
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:52.639
they want to say, but we' re going to let them pass on

777
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:53.280
to the regrets and we' re
going to watch the series and that'

778
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:57.079
s it. Thank you, Dr
Amel. No, thank you very much.

779
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.000
Here we will continue to see and
because the next chapter opens on Thursday.

780
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.639
I don' t know why these
were on Friday. There' s

781
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.159
an announcement hall there that says Thursday. So, then, we' ll

782
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.119
be looking forward to it on Thursday. Thursday we' ll be waiting and

783
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:13.960
hopefully by next time you' ll
be here with us sefara Baby. Thank

784
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.400
you for joining us, for being
here, for your comments, for signing

785
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.960
up, for being members of the
channel and for those who are also on

786
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:27.000
all podcasts. Thank you so much
and here we' re going to keep

787
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.360
talking about all this and little hearts
to everyone. Now it is, there

788
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.280
it is. Thank you so much, I already have very good. See

789
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.320
you guys later, see you tomorrow, Bye Bye,

