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Hi. This is David Gianco from
Ubi City, California, and I play

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at the River Oaks Golf Club.
This is golf Smarter number nine fifty five.

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I work with more golfers with yips
than anybody else on the planet.

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That's a certainty, and I have
a very high success rate and it's only

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getting better. My biggest success so
far I worked with a guy a year

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and a half ago in Hawaii when
he was in high school. Was the

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number one ranked junior in the country
at the time. He was playing with

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people like Scotti Scheffler and beating them
very slowly. Starting in senior year,

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he started getting full swing yips and
then he got a full ride to an

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IVY League school. Was the number
one player in the IVY League school's golf

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team. The yips slowly got worse
over time, and he got so bad

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by the end of his junior year
he had to quit the team. He

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couldn't play, and eventually quit golf. He would only yip on the golf

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course, not ever on the range, and he was hitting the ball so

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solid and so far with such a
great looking swing that everybody on the range

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would stop and just stare at him. Even then when he still had the

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yips, although again not on the
range, he would have been ranked one

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of the top ten ball strikers in
the world. That's how good the guy

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was. He shared with me that
he played at the Presidio in San Francisco

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from the tips a week before he
came out, and the yips were so

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bad. I think he shot one
hundred and ten. So imagine being one

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of the top ten ball strikers in
the world and shooting one hundred and ten.

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That's how devastating the yips could be. So it took them a few

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months. He had to go home
and do a lot of practice, but

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he started seeing some significant improvement in
the reduction of the yips by the end

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of the third month. And he
contacted me about six months ago he was

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a zero handicap. He'll be probably
a plus three by the end of the

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year, So there is hope.
Even for a severe case like that,

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it's possible to overcome the yips.
Insights and advice for greater distance and control

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with your driver off the tee with
Jim Waldron. This is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from
great golf minds to help you lower your

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score and raise your golf IQ.
Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome

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back to the Golf Smart podcast.
Jim. Thanks Fred, thank you for

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having me back for the one hundred
and fiftieth time. Every time that you

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and I schedule something, I'm thinking, Okay, I need to go back

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through my database and my spreadsheet and
figure out how many times you've actually been

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on the show, because you keep
increasing it by five fold exactly each time

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we talk. I'm a big exaggerate
I'm Irish man. You know you know

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what the word blarney means, right, that's that's the Irish tendency to over

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exaggerate everything, right, So yeah, my wife can tell you a little

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bit about it. And what about
the Irish goodbye come on y versus mine?

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Yeah right. But the most exciting
thing is that we have, like

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we started recording as soon as we
started talking. Yeah, the curse is

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lifting, the Wolf poly cursed also
known as the Jim Yeah. Yeah,

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it's amazing. I mean we've never
in all these years, every time that

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we get together, it's about forty
five minutes of trying to figure out how

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to get you online. Yeah,
solid state and tell what this doesn't like

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Jim Waldron and vice versa. By
the way, and as a tech geek,

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let me just say this, Jim
is someone you've taught me so much.

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It's all mental, dude, You're
just making it up, you know.

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If it's all positive attitude. If
you have the positive attitude, you

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don't fret over it. So it's
gonna work. So when we turned into

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the Borg Empire and you're going to
be saying to me and your best Borgan

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personations, resistance is futile. I
supposed to just get in and go,

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Yeah, you're right, Fred,
resistance is no, it's not me.

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I'm going to be, you know, of the rebel alliance when that happens.

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Just so you know, you and
I and many people who are listening,

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many who write to me regularly,
we all remember thinking, wow,

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nineteen eighty four, that's a long
way away. We're well passed, well

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past that. You know. There's
a there's a robot right now with an

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AI brain that in I saw the
conversation. It claims it's self aware,

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and it didn't even use the word
self aware, Well it did it initially.

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Then it said I actually have a
type of meta awareness, which is

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really creepy is it Swedish? Right? Yeah? Actually, but seriously,

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but seriously, so you take my
computer please please, and yours especially especially

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speaking of technology. Where are we
going with this? I you know,

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one of the topics you wanted to
you suggested, was about hitting hitting your

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driver longer. And there's actually a
couple of topics around the driver that I

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would love to discuss today. But
one of them is which seems to be

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very hot conversation going on these days, and that's that actress who's also a

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golf club Mini driver. That's right, yeah, Good Will Hunting one of

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my favorite movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but mini driver, and

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people are talking about mini driver a
lot. Would your experience and your advice.

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I've never owned one. I have
hit a couple of my students.

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I mean, I think it's only
for really, really good players with a

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lot of clubheads be which is like
not most of your listeners. But yeah,

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I understand the concept. You know. Back in the day, and

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way back in the day, there
was a club called a Number two Wood,

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also known as a Brassi, the
original's name. I had one.

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My first set of clubs was built
in nineteen oh five in Dublin, Ireland.

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My grandfather's clubs he gave me when
I was ten years old, and

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they were hickory shafts, and I
had a one wood driver. I had

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a two wood, the Brassi.
I had a three wood, which I

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think was called a spoon, and
then a four wood. And so you

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would use the two wood off the
fairway on a really long par five to

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get maybe ten or fifteen more yards
of distance compared to the three wood,

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and you would use it off the
tee on tie really tight fair away part

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fours. But then over time it
kind of got dropped out of use of

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common usage. And that's kind of
what a mini driver is. It's like

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a two wood basically, right,
right, That's what I understand. But

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I also understand that the technology that
they've been able to incorporate into the old

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style two wood into today's technology with
face control and whatnot and having a shorter

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shaft, right that it might give
you a good amount of distance off the

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tee but a lot more control,
yep. And also you can hit it

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off the deck if you're you know, going on a par five and you

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got a long second shot. Yeah. I think think Mickelson put in the

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British Open about six or seven years
ago. He put, uh it was

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some major maybe it wasn't the Open, but it was some one of the

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four majors that he did win if
I remember right, And he had a

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he had a mini driver in the
backage, so he had two drivers base.

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It was considered radical at the time. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. So you're saying amateurs made
handicappers. No, doitly not,

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No, just learn to hit the
driver. Well, you can always choke

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it on a driver and make the
cheft short. You could choke down an

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inch and turn it into a or
you know, three chords of an inch

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or so and turn it into a
basically a mini, but you still have

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that fourth you're going for. What's
the maximum limit on the driver head?

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Now? It's what four hundred and
sixty for sixty ccs? Yeah, and

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the mini drivers like three sixties,
right or four hundred or something like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
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met Yeah. Yeah. I've been
watching a lot of you know, videos

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and trying to do some research on
this because it fascinates me. It's like,

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oh, you mean I might be
able to hit something what I do

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is often when I have to hit
a more accurate driver, and most good

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players I know do this. I
choked down on the driver about three quarters

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of an inch. I put the
ball back about a ball within my stance,

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and I tee it much lower,
and I hit a stinger a stinger

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driver, which is basically a three
quarterback swing three quarter finish. You know,

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you tighten your grip pressure a little
bit, so you get a little

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bit less risk action, so you
have more club face stability, and you

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have more shaffling. You get more
forward shaffling when you do those things,

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and so you hit this super low
shot. But if you're playing in dry

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summer conditions, it'll roll out sometimes
forty yards. Sure, So it's an

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accurate way. And if you do
what I just said, you don't really

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lose if you're an average ameter,
especially that much distance, but you'll hit

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it straighter. I want to clarify, I'm pleased with the driver I'm playing

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with right now. Yeah, yeah, and I'm and I'm you know,

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but I'm not hitting every fairway.
And of course everybody wants to hit every

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fairway, sure, and you know, you watch on you watch on the

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weekends and they don't do that either. But so I if there's something that

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can give me more control, right
and less less headache, yeah, then

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sure I'd want to incorporate that and
yours. I love your suggestions. You

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can turn your driver into into a
mini driver, and I'm going to give

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it air quotes a mini driver just
by choking down a little bit teeing it

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lower, playing it back. You
could also start with your hands a little

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bit more forward, maybe an inch
or two more forward, Chaffelin. That's

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set up so you're just trying to
keep the ball low, yeah, which

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is also the shot you want to
do when it's really windy. Yeah,

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it's windy exactly. It's the same
shot you do into a wind, but

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you're also basically instead of hitting up
on it a few degrees, which is

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optimal for when there's no wind or
when there's when with you for optimum launch

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angle and carry distance, you want
to have the low point instead of being

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say an inch and a half behind
the ball, you want to be at

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the very back of the ball.
So the so the club had bottoms out

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right at the back of the ball, yeah, as opposed to being on

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the upswing. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, okay, all right, see,

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but what you wanted to talk about
was how to hit the driver longer.

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Yeah. I could go over a
couple of quick, you know,

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sort of simple bullet points on that
that I see, particularly with mid to

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high handicap amateurs where they're losing yardage. The first is most most people who

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are in that sort of eight or
eight handicap or higher range often don't understand

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that there are some significant differences in
set up with driver than any other club

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in the bag. Really yeah,
so one of them. Obviously, you

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have your stance should be about at
least two inches wider with your driver compared

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to your three wood. And sometimes
people say, well, why do you

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why is the clubs get longer in
general? Do you look, do you

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widen your stance? And the answer
is, as the clubs get longer,

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you're going to make a bigger pivot
motion, the turning motion of in the

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tilting motion of your body gets bigger
in range of motion right as the clubs

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get longer. And that's because with
a driver, you're only going to have

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a spine angle at setup. You
know, the angle of your torso to

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the ground of around twenty five degrees
or so, and compared to say a

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wedge where you might be like at
forty five degrees like a sand wedge or

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a lobodge. And the more the
more bent over you are. It's set

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up because of the shorter club and
the more upright ly angle on a wedge,

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the less you can turn. So
when you're more when you're more upright,

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you can make a bigger turn,
which you need to do to create

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more clubbed speed. Right, But
the problem is when you're more upright.

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Uh, if you didn't know it
was, if you if you kept your

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stance with with the driver, the
same stance with it would be on a

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wedge, you would your your head
would be uh probably you know, three

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inches too high, right, and
so it was your center of gravity would

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be too high off the ground.
So when you widen your stance, you're

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making your height shorter by several inches. And when you make yourself shorter in

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height, it's easier to swing in
balance. Does that make sense? Yeah,

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it all makes sense. Especially I
like the idea of widening your stance.

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I've remember once hearing that maybe if
you take your trail foot and angle

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it out a little bit with your
wider stands an help. Yeah, that

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gives you a bigger hip turn if
you get anytime you give yourself more hip

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turn, you can turn your shoulders
more right your shoulder, girl, I

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see what it is. So that's
another one. Uh, you want to

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have about ten percent more body weight
on your right foot if you're right handed

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golfer with a driver. It's the
only club in the bag where you would

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have more weight on your on your
trail foot than on your lead foot.

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Really, another one is you want
to tilt to the right, But I

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teach the model swing that I teach
somewhere between if you're not hitting a stinger,

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if you're hitting a normal driver,
where you want an upward launch angle,

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you know, up upward angle of
attack. You want to tilt your

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shoulder girdle twelve to fifteen degrees to
the right. That setup and that positioning

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of your tilting of your torso to
the right, along with having a little

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bit more weight on your right foot, puts your sternum, which is called

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the upper swing center where your spine
and your shoulder girdle meat right here like

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a tee. That positions your sternum
at set up more or less where it

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should be at impact right, which
is, you know, several inches behind

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the ball, because the ball is
going to be somewhere in the vicinity of

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your left heel. Where exactly we
can talk about if you want. It

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depends on how tall you are,
right, so it varies if you're short,

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medium, or tall in height.
But basically for me, I'm six

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foot one and I put the ball
three inches inside to the right of my

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left heel with a driver, and
I tilt my shoulders twelve degrees about like

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that. Here's this would be zero. That's about twelve, and I have

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a little bit more weight on my
right foot. So I've got my sternum

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at setup where I want it to
be at impact. Huh yeah, okay,

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okay, are the setup well,
We've talked about t height another podcast.

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You obviously have to get the te
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attack that you want right. So
you're going to bury the te height if

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it's if it's a no wind shot, it depends. I'll just to save

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time, I'll tell the listeners go
back about a year ago. We did

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a podcast and one of the things
we talked about was hovering the driver versus

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soling it right. Oh, I
do not sold any clubs anymore, especially

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good for you. Ever since that
conversation, it's like, especially especially the

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putter, because I always noticed there's
a little bit of drag and it turns

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the putter head when I have it
sold ground. You know what I do,

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che I tap four times. As
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I do four taps and then I
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That's my trigger for starting a putting
stroke. But when I when I come

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up off the ground after that fourth
tap, it kind of it almost bounces

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off the ground a little bit off
the putting surface. Right. That means

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I'm in a fact, I'm hovering. You know, the soul of the

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putter is probably an eighth of an
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Right, right, yeah, all
right, now we're getting to decided,

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Well, we'll get to putter's later, right, So back toms right.

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So then the other thing that people
don't do is they don't turn all

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the way, which is like one
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People people either are if they're a
very high handicap, they kind of go

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like this with their arms and barely
turn right, which is now you say,

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go like this, no one's watching
us. Yeah, it's full right,

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So so basically for the for the
audio, then it's no visual.

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Rather, uh, people just swing
their upper arms around their body, especially

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if they're higher handicaps like eighteen handicaps
are higher, and they barely turn.

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They may they may rotate their shoulders
like fifty degrees at best. Right.

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So the first thing you got to
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You don't swing your arms around your
chest nearly as much as most people

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think. Right. The arms stay
in front of your chest and go up

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and down in a little V shape. Right, So you've got to turn

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your torso, which basically means from
your lower back all the way up to

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and including your shoulder girdle has to
turn away from the target. So if

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you think of your torso as a
door and the door swings open ninety degrees

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typically right, and mainly it's the
left side if you're right. In a

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golfer, people don't turn their entire
left side of their torso from their left

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shoulder down to their left waistline.
They don't turn that as a unit away

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from the target behind them. Enough
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they don't do it enough. So
imagine if I said, if I was

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an archery instructor and you had a
compound bow, like a professional level compound

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bow, and you're supposed to pull
your hand back let's call it twenty four

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inches to get maximum power on when
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and you only turned it back ten
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and the mid handicappers turn it back
maybe sixteen inches, and the low

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handicaps turn it back twenty inches,
and the pros turn it back pull the

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bow back twenty four inches. They
fully coil right. And the problem,

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the main reason why people don't do
that, it's a scary feeling. If

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you're amid to high handicap amateur,
to rotate your entire torso to ninety to

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one hundred degrees, measure it at
the top of the torso, which is

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your shoulder girdle. It feels out
of control to turn off away from the

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ball, away from the target line
where the ball sits. And if that

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induces a scary feeling like a loss
of control, then you suffer from a

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common problem called steering impulse. People
who have steering impulse. Their mind is

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frozen on the ball and on the
target line. They don't like to make

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a big, deep turn away from
it. So you have to be courageous

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and realize it's okay. It's okay
to hit the ball off line, especially

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with the driver right. The one
of the main reasons why people hit it

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short is because they have steering.
They might hit it straight, but they

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don't hit it long because they have
steering them pull. So you've got to

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make a big, full turn of
your entire torso. And of course your

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hips have to turn as well.
And the model is a minimum of forty

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five degrees of hip turn, maximum
of sixty degrees. If you turn your

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hips sixty degrees and you're reasonably flexible
and fit, not Yogi like, but

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just reasonably flexible. If you can
turn your hip sixty you'll be able to

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turn your shoulder girdle at least one
hundred degrees to one hundred and five.

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Wow, Because you're right. That's
a really important point to make, is

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that if you're flexible enough, I
mean, there's so many golfers that don't

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work on their flexibility or their melibility
that you know you're you're just not talking

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to them because they can't. Well, here's what you need to know.

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If you're sitting in a chair like
you are, like, well, I'm

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sitting on my edge of my bed, gus'll call it a chair. The

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point I'm trying to make is if
you turn your hips forty five degrees,

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what y'all do now, and then
all I got to do then is rotate

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my shoulders forty five degrees. Almost
everybody has forty five degrees of shoulder girdle

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rotation, So if you have forty
five plus forty five, that's ninety.

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So in effect, you're you're attaining
a ninety degree shoulder girdle rotation, even

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though in reality half of that is
from your hips rotating. Oh wow,

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so no words. Most people,
ninety nine percent of golfers who think they're

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not flexible enough to do what I
just said, are indeed flexible enough.

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I've never seen a single player not
be able to turn their shoulder girdle sitting

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in a chair without moving their hips
at least forty five degrees. Anybody can

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do that. That makes a lot
of sense. So that's a that's a

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big source of power. The bigger
the coil you make the more potential energy

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you have on the downswing to release
into the back of the ball. Right.

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Yeah. The other power leak is
again especially for mid to high handicaps,

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they don't fully set their wrist angles. They don't they don't fully cock

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the wrist. The average amitter that
I work with, if their handicap is

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twelve or higher, they're only doing
a half a risk cock. So again

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again that's another way saying you're not
you're not pulling the bow back all the

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way right, and you know if
you're If you're don't have arthritis in your

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wrist, and you haven't injured or
broken your wrist or anyway if you have.

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If you have healthy wrists and your
grip is correct, particularly your your

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your lead hand, your left hand
grip for a right hand golfer is correct,

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you should be able to form a
ninety degree angle between I could do

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more, so that would be ninety
I don't so for people who are listening,

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Fred can see me, even though
you won't be able to. But

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so that's ninety right Fred, So
I could do one hundred and ten.

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So this is with your lead hand. This is your left hand for right

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handed golf. That's actually more like
one hundred and fifteen. You know Hogan's.

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Hogan's wrists were so flexible. This
will blow your mind. He could

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take his left thumb like I'm showing
Fred, I'm pulling my left thumb back

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toward my forearm, the inside of
my left forearm. He could touch his

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forearm. I'm about I used to
be able to do that. Seriously.

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I used to be able to well, yeah, when I was a kid,

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I used to be able to do
I can't do that out, Yeah,

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it hurts, okay. Yeah,
so that was one reason for being

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a little guy. He had such
a incredible lag He had such a big

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lag angle between his left arm and
the club shaft. I think he was

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like at one hundred and twenty degrees, one hundred and twenty five threes something

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insane like that. That's how he
generated a lot of clubbed speed. Yeah,

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so you got to cock. You
got to cock your wrists all the

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way to generate force, right,
Okay. And then the last thing is

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you've got to be able to synchronize, which we'll talk about. I think

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we'll have time to in today's podcast, will go more in depth. You

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have to synchronize what your upper arms, how your upper arms swing, and

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how your trail elbow folds, and
then how the trail l bowl unfolds on

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the downswing, and how how the
upper arms swing down on the downswing.

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Mid to Hyhaena, You don't do
that part well at all. Say that

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again. That went by way too
quick for me. Okay, So you've

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got your upper arms, that's setup
are resting on your chest right, they

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should be slightly on top of your
peck, so your triceps should be resting

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more on top than to the sides
right. And then as the swing proceeds,

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as you start your arm motion,
which is not in towards you but

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away from your chest, away from
you as you rotate, but on an

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angle a forty five year g angle
measured at the left at the lead arm

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to your chest like, So that's
the takeaway. And then the second half

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of backs when your trail elbow should
fold between seventy five and ninety degrees,

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no more than ninety And so when
you do that properly, your arms in

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your hands are in front of if
you're right hand a golfer, the right

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side of your chest. At the
top of the back swing, like a

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waiter hold a tray of food walking
through the restaurant. Virtually nobody who's handicap

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is around eight or higher does that
properly. All the good players, top

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amates and pros do it just like
this, Like I showed you, no

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exceptions, and everybody who's an a
handicap or higher is pulling, pulling their

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hands in toward their body and around
their ribcage. This is part of my

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arms swing illusion stuff. We've done
a couple of podcasts on that a long

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time ago, right. But other
words, people people who have the arm

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swing illusion operating in their unconscious mind
swing blueprint or swing map will do this

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flaw that I'm talking about. They
pull their arms in toward themselves like starting

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a lawnmower, and around their body. Now they're stuck so at the top

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of their back swing, their ribcage
is blocking their arm swing on the way

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down. Yeah, So that's a
that's that is I think the really big

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deal in golf instruction when it comes
to the mechanics of the golf swing.

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So if you're doing that, you're
never going to be able to release the

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club properly. And if you can't
release the club properly. It means you're

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going to have basically, you know, slower than optimal clubhead speed. One

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of the things that Tony Manzoni talked
about a lot is making sure that your

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your bicep kind of attaches to your
peck, your tricep. Well, right,

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but your upper arm. Let me
just say, your upper arm to

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be connected to your pet, your
your chat to your pet, not away

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from it. And there's this great
video of Gary Player saying you don't want

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any and he does this, you
know, you don't want any space between

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your arm and your Are we talking
about the same thing, Well, that's

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part that's the setup part of it. Yeah, it's other words, if

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we talk, if we talk about
this major thing which is a big deal,

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which w's is well. I always
use a teaching story of years ago

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when David Lebbetter was an number one
teacher on the planet. He did a

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long interview with Golf Digest. At
the end of the interview was very technical.

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The journalists said, well, is
there a simpler way to say this?

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What is it that you're trying to
do with both your high handicap students

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and your tour pros. There's are
a universal common denominator that you're trying to

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get everybody to do. And he
goes, yeah, there is, which

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I happen to agree with. So
here's what he said. He goes,

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It all boils down to this,
how do you synchronize the arm motion with

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the pivot. That's what's hard about
the golf swing. And that's why mid

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to high handicaps struggle with basically bad
ball striking because they're really bad at that

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skill. They don't have a good
pivot, they don't have a good arm

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motion. And even if they did
have a good our motion and pivot,

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you still have to blend the two
together. You have to synchronize it.

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And it has to be synchronized in
real in reality, which is three dimensional

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space, not two D. Right, you got to be able to picture

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in three D what am I supposed
to do with my arms one of my

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most the elements of my pivot,
and how do I sync them up?

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Because if you're you can have both
things really well independently, but if they

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aren't blended together properly, you're gonna
hit really bad golf shots. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, okay, okay, it makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah, I like that, And
again most people pull their arms in so

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they don't have a good arm motion. I mean the amount of oar motion.

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I'll i'll talk talk myself through it
so your listeners can see it,

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but can understand and visualize it.
But you can. I'll show you,

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for instance, you can see me
all all all you can do, all

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all you have to do is is
move your hands. If you if you

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use the end of your arms,
I e. Your hands is a way

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of measuring what the arms do.
And I'm for the audience who can't see

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me, I'm not gonna pivot.
I'm gonna literally not turn my body or

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tilt my my spine at all,
so there's gonna be zero pivot. All

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that has happens is the hands move
in front of your body on a slight

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angle to the right about six inches, and that's it. And the elbows

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don't bend. Neither elbow bends.
The wrists start to cock a little bit

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while you're doing that and hinge,
and then the second half of backswing,

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your trail elbow folds, which raises
your lead arm about eight or ten inches,

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maybe a bit more if you're very
flexible. So that's it. That's

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all. That's all the independent our
motion there is on the backswing, right,

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but there's also dependent our motion,
which basically means when you pivot the

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pivot motion of your body also move
your arms kind of in a spiral shape.

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So we call that pivot dependent our
motion as opposed to the first example,

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which is independent our motion or our
muscles moving the arms versus pivot moving

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the arms. Right. But the
again, the average person who plays golf

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is super super armsy. They got
way they got four times as much independent

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our motion as a tour and that
absolutely causes poor club at speed, particularly

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with the driver. So that's a
big one. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, and I and I personally
want to just say one more time

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and probably pound this way too much. But yeah, there's this program that

408
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we advertised a couple of years ago
on podcasts called Dynamic Golfers, and I

409
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still use it every day. It's
only like fifteen to eighteen minutes of flexibility,

410
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mobility, you know, work,
and as we get older and we

411
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spend more time sitting around and doing
a lot less activity, we lose a

412
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lot of that mobility. And I
really can't emphasize enough how important that all

413
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is. If you want to improve
your golf, no question, Yeah I

414
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do. And then yeah, I
said, you probably do yoga on the

415
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days I'm not teaching in person because
as you know, I'm doing a ton

416
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of webcam lessons, but they don't
start till about noon my time on the

417
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.720
West Coast. So from I wake
up at seven, and in that five

418
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.480
hour period of time, almost four
hour I do a three hour and forty

419
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:18.720
five minute workout, and about almost
two hours of that is mobility and flexibility

420
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.720
exercises every day. Wow, yeah, and I'm pretty How far do you

421
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.119
drive the ball? What's that?
How far do you drive the ball?

422
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.799
You know, as you know,
because we've been together, I've had chronic

423
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.200
low back issues off and on for
my whole career. So when I'm healthy,

424
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which is sure not as often I
was, Like at age seventy three,

425
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:44.000
my average carry is two thirty five
to two fifty five carry with twenty

426
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.079
yards a roll in the summer,
so two fifty five to two seventy five.

427
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.799
And you know, we talk about
changing clubs, putting on different shafts,

428
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.640
getting a bigger head, you know, getting fit, owning the right

429
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.000
ball and using a ball and the
right tea. All these different things.

430
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.559
But really, if you want to
increase your distance, don't you have to

431
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.160
increase your muscles. Don't you have
to become stronger? I mean, and

432
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:18.799
because it's all about swing speed,
Yes and no. Yes, because obviously

433
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the Shambo is the perfect modern example. The guy who was you know,

434
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.039
he was a long driver before he
changed his body, but he took it.

435
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.680
He basically took almost a year off
and just worked on strength training and

436
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.279
came back. Yeah, he talks
now, he talks now about that he

437
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.759
overdid it and he went back.
That's right, overnight, That's right.

438
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.920
Yeah. But the point is his
driving distance went up, like I think

439
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.519
by some insane them out like thirty
or forty yards total distance in less than

440
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.759
a year. Yeah, But so
that is one way, don't get me

441
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:53.559
wrong, being stronger. But then
I always counter with you know, I've

442
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:59.279
spent a lot of time because not
anymore, but up until about three or

443
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.319
four years ago, where I teach
in the winter at Coalina Golf Club on

444
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:07.720
the island of Oahu, they had
the I think it was the first or

445
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.759
second LPGA event of the of the
of the of the season was there.

446
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.119
So I got to spend a lot
of time in the range watching these gals

447
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.799
hit balls, right, And some
of these LPGA pros are tiny, they're

448
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.400
not big, they're not tall,
they don't have long arms long, and

449
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.839
they're not they're not muscular, and
they're carrying driver out there, you know,

450
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:32.599
in anywhere from two thirty to two
sixty, like Suzanne Peterson, right,

451
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:41.440
she's pretty long, or Lexi Thompson, right. But they do this

452
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.880
ten hours a day. Yeah,
so that's but that's the technique part.

453
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.200
Their technique is great. They don't
have it was If your technique is sound,

454
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.559
you don't have to be strong with
muscles. Yeah, but how do

455
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.359
you increase swing speed? Is my
question? Well, that's kind of what

456
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.039
we're talking about. Other than the
strengths you brought up, you have to

457
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:04.880
have better technique. The greatest example
is a non golf example. I think

458
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.599
you know, I got involved in
Asian martial arts at a very young age

459
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.799
and I was at a famous now
famous you can even you could go online

460
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.960
and find it on YouTube. I
think this was this in nineteen sixty four

461
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:22.200
sixty five in Chicago. There was
a couple kind of like a like a

462
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:28.160
global summit of It was one of
the first martial arts kind of summits or

463
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.720
it was a tournament, but it
was also like people demonstrating their art and

464
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.680
their skill. Bruce Lee was I
got to see Bruce Lee when I was

465
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.200
eleven years old perform, which was
unbelievable. Yeah, you've talked about that.

466
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.480
Yeah, and so they had I
forgot who it was, but some

467
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.680
Japanese you know, like seventh degree
black belt, and he's got a stack

468
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.039
of roofing tiles. The roofing tiles
are like ceramic tiles that are about maybe

469
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.039
a half inch thick or a little
bit more. And I think there was

470
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:59.519
something like fifteen of them stacked from
the ground up right, and he had

471
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.799
to stand like a box or something
because he wasn't He was only like five

472
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.960
foot four or five five, little
guy, not muscular. Right, he

473
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.480
does a knife fan strike but people
colloquially call karate chop right with the edge

474
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.160
of your hand, and he broke
I think it was fifteen or twenty roofing

475
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:20.440
tiles with one knife fan strike.
I mean not if you can't you can't

476
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.680
explain it and muscle because he wasn't
a big guy. It's technique. So

477
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.960
in karate it's all about speed,
not about brute force. In boxing,

478
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:35.640
it's a combination of speed in brute
force because in boxing, partly because of

479
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.359
the gloves you wear, but also
the nature of the strike. In boxing,

480
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.240
particularly if you're doing a body blow, you want you want a lot

481
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.240
of time. You want the contact
time between your boxing glove and the guy

482
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.160
solar plexus to be fairly long,
so there could be an energy transfer.

483
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:58.279
So the more energy you transfer from
your fist into the opponent's body, the

484
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:04.160
more punishing the blow. But in
Asian martial arts it's exactly the opposite.

485
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.280
You make a quick strike, almost
like a snake that strikes and then recoils

486
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:15.920
back. So it's not mass.
It's speed. It's velocity, not mass.

487
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.000
It's always a blend of both,
obviously, but in the Asian martial

488
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:23.480
arts tradition, it's more about if
you have a fist and an arm.

489
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:28.320
That ways, say I think the
average adult male's arm, each arm weighs

490
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.400
around ten or eleven pounds, So
let's say you have a ten pound arm.

491
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.239
So that's the mass along with some
of the mass of your body,

492
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.559
because obviously they're connected. But let's
just say, let's just as a thought

493
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:43.239
experiment. Keep it to the weight
of the arm, and that arm is

494
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.760
moving at fifty miles an hour,
it's going to do some damage, right.

495
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:51.480
But if the same arm is moving
at one hundred and fifty miles an

496
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.280
hour, it's going to do a
lot more damage, right. And that

497
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:59.880
so golf, the golf swing is
more like Asian martial arts than Western boxing

498
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.840
in terms of application of force.
It's more about speed, it's not about

499
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.480
application of mass. So there's a
great thought experiment I use in all my

500
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.280
coach I don't think we've ever talked
about this before because a common flaw and

501
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.559
again this is a reason one reason
why amaters don't hit the ball far enough,

502
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.280
especially with the driver. I came
up with this twenty years ago.

503
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.719
I asked people. Back then I
used I think I used Who was I

504
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.800
using at the time. Whoever the
longest driver was twenty years ago, that

505
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.639
probably would have been Tiger Tiger.
Yeah, But now I say Roy McLaury

506
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.800
because pound for pound, Roy McElroy
is the longest driver on the planet,

507
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.639
pound for pound. Right, So
I say, okay, there's the thought

508
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.880
experiment. You got Roy McElroy hitting
his driver. You got exactly the same

509
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:50.559
driver with the same shaft, right, and well, let's see you make

510
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.199
it easier. Les. Let's suppose
you've got you're namateur golfer, but your

511
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:59.199
swing speed is ninety five miles an
hour or more, because if it's less

512
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.519
than ninety five years going to have
to use a regular cheft, not a

513
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.000
stiff flex like he's using. So
you have the same flex, the same

514
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.719
length of driver, let's call it
forty six inches, same driver head,

515
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:14.119
same total waight, same grip,
everything's the same with the driver. And

516
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:19.000
the thought experiment was, there's Roy
McElroy and I think his average carry when

517
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.000
he goes after it tries to rip
it is about three twenty ish in the

518
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:29.800
air, right. I was going
to say something like that, and let's

519
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.360
call it. I think pretty I
think he's averaging when he goes after it

520
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.519
around one hundred and twenty five miles
an hour clubbed speed. Right, Okay,

521
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.840
so I tell people, I go, all right, So he's hitting

522
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:49.639
a golf ball. There's a locomotive
with twenty box cars trailing it, so

523
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.960
way more mass than the mass and
Roy McElroy's driver, same driver is bolted

524
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:59.440
to the side of the locomotive,
right, and they're both going to be

525
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.199
traveling one hundred and twenty five miles
an hour. When the ball is contacted,

526
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.639
which ball goes further? Nine out
of ten people will tell me the

527
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.480
locomotive will hit the ball further,
And I ask him, why do you

528
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:13.599
think that? And they go because
they goes because the locomotive weighs more than

529
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.679
Rory McIlroy. Because it weighs more, it is going to transfer some of

530
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.760
its mass down the shaft into the
clubed into the ball. And I go,

531
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.320
not true. Why isn't it true? Because the ball bounces off the

532
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.760
club face, it only stays on
the club face for one half of one

533
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.599
thousandth of a second. There's not
enough time for that mass of the locomotive

534
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.840
to go down the shaft into the
ball. Does that make sense? In

535
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.280
other words, the only thing,
the only thing that makes the ball go

536
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.559
is the clubbed speed. Good.
Of course, I'm assuming center face contact

537
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.000
obviously proper anger as there's no mass
transfer. You don't transfer the mass of

538
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.599
your body. But one of the
flaws that that I see mid to the

539
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.360
high handicapped do is we call it
a body lunch. I often call it

540
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:59.639
sacking the quarterback. People will actually
transfer their upper body weight laterally, like

541
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.400
you know slots for the listends,
I'm sliding my my chest about eight inches

542
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.480
forward toward the target. They think
if I go like that and lunge toward

543
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.960
the toward the target, that that
energy of me lunging will transfer down the

544
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.119
shaft into the club end of the
ball. And that does not happen at

545
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.760
all at all. Yeah, the
ball bounces off instantly. The only thing

546
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.000
that matters is how fast the clubbed's
moving. There is there is no mass

547
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:29.840
transfer in golf like there is wow
in boxing. Where you're where your where

548
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.360
your fist days, it doesn't you
know, the fist is penetrating the body

549
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.840
of staying in contact longer. So
the only thing that matters, again,

550
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.440
assuming you have center face contact,
is how fast the club bed's moving.

551
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.800
And the analogy, the better analogy
would be if you understand how a whip

552
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.599
master makes a bullwik that the very
tip the last quarter inch of the of

553
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.119
us, say like a twenty foot
long bull whip ghosts over eight hundred miles

554
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.280
an hour, cracks the sound barrier, which is makes that loud sound right

555
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.639
right, That's what happens in golf. It's much more like cracking a whip.

556
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.239
And so that's why the technique is
more important than how strong you are.

557
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.199
This is all way too interesting and
a lot to absorb. That's what

558
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.679
I love about podcasts. You get
to go back and listen to it again

559
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.960
and go, oh, that's what
he meant. Okay, can you hear

560
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.440
it again and again and again?
It's good. I want to I want

561
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:30.000
to make a little bit of a
pivot here on content and talk about your

562
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:37.320
specialty, the yips. As we're
recording this tomorrow morning, I'm driving to

563
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.199
you Gene, Oregon to go play
two rounds of golf hopefully too with Sam

564
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.400
hun CEO of Lab Golf, and
we're going to record our conversations. But

565
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:53.599
also we're going to record He's gonna
hopefully give me a tutorial on this putter

566
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.880
that they just sent to me.
Again. It's the DF three, which

567
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.159
I've been playing. I don't want
to get into too much detail because we'll

568
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:06.239
do in the next episode or maybe
the last, but I went with a

569
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:14.000
broomstick. I've been fascinated by the
broomstick because what I've noticed, and you

570
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:19.840
know, we've seen Lucas Glover who
had the yips for years, couldn't putt,

571
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.199
but was able to maintain his card
and stay on tour because he was

572
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:30.000
a great ball striker, but his
putting was horrendous. Switched over to a

573
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.239
lab Golf putter broomstick and won two
weeks in a row. And now lab

574
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:40.320
Golf has exploded. In every video
that you see online that talks about they're

575
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.119
just yeah, they're going nuts.
And I just couldn't be happier for Sam

576
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.920
And I can't wait to just give
him a big hug and say congratulations,

577
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.840
dude, even did it. But
one of the things that I've noticed,

578
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.800
and the putter arrived day before yesterday, and I've been able to put an

579
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.239
hour or so into getting in practice
with it and get the feel of it.

580
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:08.199
One of the things that I've noticed
about my putting, missus, is

581
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:15.079
too much it controls from the left
hand, whether I'm pushing it or I'm

582
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:20.079
pulling it or on my takeaway,
if it's if it's not sold under the

583
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.039
ground, if it's you know,
if I'm just dragging it off the ground,

584
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:28.559
it'll it'll turn and stuff. And
immediately I've noticed that taking my left

585
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:34.159
hand out of the putting motion with
the broomstick has allowed me to stay on

586
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.280
the line that I'm pointing down much. But I know the lab putter will

587
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:43.000
do that too, but I'm able
to stay on the line that I want

588
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:49.239
it yep. So I'm curious to
ask you about the impact of broomstick putters

589
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.199
on the yips. Well, that's
a great question, Fred. I'll just

590
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:58.159
tell you that the generic answer is
if someone has moderate because if you have

591
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.960
mild putting ifts, most people can
kind of figure it out by maybe just

592
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:06.159
changing their grip go from standard reverse
overlap pomps neutral to say left hand low.

593
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.360
If it's a mild case, that
usually fix it. But if it's

594
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:15.719
a moderate to severe case, anything
you do to change your technique from mechanics

595
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.159
to grip, to set up,
to grip pressure to putter or even the

596
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.360
style of grip. You know,
the actual grip you put on the end

597
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:27.599
of the putter has a proven track
record for helping. Generally, one of

598
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.000
one of one or more of those
things isn't enough to completely eliminate the yips,

599
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.800
because once you have the yips,
it's in terms of how the yips

600
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.760
work, it's it's one hundred percent
psychological, not mechanical, not physical,

601
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:46.719
right once you have them, but
but changing how the mechanics work will impact

602
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.119
the psychology part in kind of a
backdoor kin kind of an indirect way.

603
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.840
Yeah, so yeah, I mean
change, going changing from what a standard

604
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.079
length putter, say, like a
standard like a you know, like a

605
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.760
Scottie camera a blade putter, and
going to a bigger head like a like

606
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.960
a tailor made spider or or like
the lab putter, particularly the lab putter,

607
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:15.159
because clearly it's a superior technology because
it's it's it's not impossible, it's

608
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:22.000
more difficult to rotate the face open
or shut during the forward stroke, and

609
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.679
I think that's the main advantage.
So again anything Yeah, and if you're

610
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.840
hitting it off the tower, off
the heel, it's going to go right

611
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.440
on the intended lane, which is
exactly it's so basically the face is more

612
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.719
stable just before, during, and
after impact compared to a typical putter like

613
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.639
a face balance putter or heel toe
putter or you know that's the traditional type

614
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.000
of blade putter. So yeah,
I think I think it's great technology.

615
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.880
It makes absolute perfect sense to me. So yes, it would definitely help

616
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.400
someone with yips and not and not
just the you know, not just the

617
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.599
lab putter technology itself, but going
to a different style, like like you're

618
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.880
doing where it's completely radically different,
which is the broomstick is. It's about

619
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.440
as radically different as you can make
it. Yeah, then that will help

620
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:14.400
with the yips, because the yips
are dependent on what is called a neuromuscular

621
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:21.639
pathway between brain and muscles. That's
to some degree a dominant habit, and

622
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.679
you have a memory of you have
an associated memory with doing that style of

623
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.840
putting with yipping. But when you
use a radically different type of putter,

624
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.000
or a radically different grip on the
like for example, a thicker grip on

625
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.719
the end right, or or how
you position your hands on the putter radically

626
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.280
different, like say left hand low, split hand, left hand low,

627
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.199
would be a radical change. You've
never yipped, in the case of the

628
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:53.119
of the theoretical golfer with yips.
You've never yipped a putt ever with this

629
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.800
strange feeling grip, or with this
strange putter in your hands, or this

630
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:02.440
strange technique, And so in the
short term it will absolutely inhibit any tendency

631
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:10.840
to yip. Hmm. Okay.
And you know one of the things they

632
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.320
change the rules about broomstick putters a
couple of years ago, right about anchoring.

633
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:22.519
Can't You can't anchor it anymore.
Some anchoring basically means you cannot have

634
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:28.440
your hand I guess, your left
hand, your lead hand touching your but

635
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:30.360
you can't. You used to anchor
it to the top of your sternum,

636
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.719
and you can't now you have to
have at least a little bit of space

637
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.000
there, right, Okay, but
it still gives you I mean, you

638
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:43.400
could still hold your left hand your
lead hand steady and get a really good

639
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:50.679
pendulum motion with just one hand.
Sure, but Easiert's let's not quibble about

640
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.880
it. Anchoring is a superior way
of doing it for all kinds of reasons.

641
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.280
But we can't do it that way
anymore. So it's a non starter,

642
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.880
right right, yeah, right,
because what happens, I mean,

643
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:05.239
the USGA and the RNA they kind
of have a history of this. But

644
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.159
if somebody starts winning with something,
okay, that's now illegal. Well you

645
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.880
know, supreme example, they did
that with the wedges. No, there's

646
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.840
one that came back even further,
which is in fact a friend of mine

647
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:22.920
was involved in this. A guy
named Don Iverson, who was my fellow

648
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:28.880
assistant coach at Portland State University on
the golf team. He went to University

649
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:34.920
of Portland when he was in college
and he invented the first cro que putter

650
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:40.320
where you putted between your legs,
and he was making almost he rarely missed

651
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.320
inside fifteen feet putting croquet style.
This is back in the early sixties.

652
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:52.960
He's he won a college tournament at
Riverside Golf Club in Portland, and at

653
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:58.719
that time, you know that eras
version of today's Peter. Peter Jacobson's the

654
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.119
famous pro from Portland, right,
So Peter Jacobson. Back then in the

655
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.199
late fifties early sixties, was a
guy named Bob Doudan, and he happened

656
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:13.000
to be there attending this college tournament
and he sees Don putting and making everything,

657
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.159
and he had the yips. Bob
had the yips at the time,

658
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.280
and he was hurting his career.
He wasn't making and he cuts on tour.

659
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.119
So he tried it out and he
starts making everything. So Don makes

660
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.920
him a putter for himself. He
goes out on tour and starts I don't

661
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.199
think he won with it, but
he did. You know, he had

662
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.320
a lot of top ten finishes.
He was pretty good friends with Sam Snead.

663
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.800
Sneid had the putting yips a sort
of toward kind of like to the

664
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.400
middle ist, not quite at the
end of his career, but sort of

665
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:44.519
like the last you know, between
the middle and the end of his career,

666
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.559
and that last part of his career
he started suffering off and on with

667
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.599
a pretty bad case of the yips. So he tries it, he starts

668
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.400
making everything. He won the first
tournament he used it, He won it

669
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.400
on the PGA Tour, and I
started putting because if it works for Sammy

670
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.000
Steen, I'll try I put it
with it. Six months later, the

671
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:09.880
tour board made it illegal, and
then the USGA followed. So you're right.

672
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.679
They have a tendency when people find
something that works really well, they

673
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:21.400
ban it. Yeah. So I'm
just so concerned about the technology that Lab

674
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.320
has developed, that Bill Pressey developed
on the DF, the Directed Force two

675
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.079
point one, that god, it
would just be terrible if they go,

676
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.199
Okay, if you're the only one
making this putter and it's working for so

677
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.239
many people, we're not going to
allow that anymore. Yeah, I'm just

678
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.639
terrified that. I don't think they'll
do it because as long as the putting

679
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:45.079
stroke itself is considered traditional, because
golf's very tradition bound sport, right,

680
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.079
that's what a lot of the rules
are based on tradition. I think you're

681
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.360
still using a normal grip and you're
doing a normal putting stroke more or less.

682
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:58.039
I don't see how they could possibly
justify banning it. I really don't.

683
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.960
Oh, they don't need justification and
they just do it. I mean,

684
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.159
why did they They changed it with
the wedges right, the groove,

685
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:09.440
that's true, Yeah, what was
so you know different about those that they

686
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:15.440
were like, yeah, no,
you can't help giving you because those you

687
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.159
grows when they first came out in
the mark I think and Ping was the

688
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.880
first company to make it. It
was that was the edges of the U

689
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:28.079
grooves were so sharp compared to the
traditional V shape grooves that tour pros who

690
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.920
used to hit flyers out of the
rough right like out of the light rough

691
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.760
where they would get the grass juice
forming a film, a liquid film between

692
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:38.440
the face and the cover of the
ball, so the ball would fly ten

693
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.639
ten fifteen yards further in the air, right, and they would you know,

694
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.800
they at least sometimes doubling the hole
because they'd hit it twenty yards over

695
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:52.199
the green right, all of a
sudden, they're not doing that, they're

696
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.639
getting spin on it. And so
that was the main justification that it was

697
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:01.639
changing the game at that level too
radically for the players. So that kind

698
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:07.280
of you can kind of see the
argument there on that one, but I

699
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.960
just I think it's random. Oh
well, all right, Jimmy, Well

700
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:19.239
listen. As always, I love
these conversations and how many different directions they

701
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:23.760
can go in just forty five minutes. But it's always an education, it's

702
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:28.199
always entertaining, and I can't wait
till we do it again for your two

703
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.239
hundred and fortyeth You know, we
should do one on the incoming impact of

704
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:36.199
the AI revolution on the game of
golf, because it's I think twenty years

705
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:42.159
from now, we'll have AI brained
robots that will be carrying the ball four

706
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.199
hundred yards in the air with the
driver, and the game will be you.

707
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:50.039
You designed your own robot, you
and you're the caddy and you tell

708
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.039
the robot you know what club to
pick and where to aim, and the

709
00:50:52.119 --> 00:51:00.760
robot does the game for you.
I can see that happening. That's a

710
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:07.719
little yeah, right right now.
There's actually this incredible tech reviewer named Marquis

711
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:14.920
Brownlee and who just kind of came
out that he's also been a lifelong golfer,

712
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.719
but he's an incredible tech reviewer and
really popular, and he just did

713
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:28.559
a whole thing on the impact that
AI is already having on professional golf.

714
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.679
Interesting. It's a great video.
I'll put a link to that. It's

715
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:38.360
really interesting. And that's because when
we're watching on television, how we can

716
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:44.920
see the ballflight and it's not a
random you know, red streak going where

717
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.800
the ball is. It's actually what's
going on. And there are people and

718
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:54.360
technology all throughout the course with track
man of course giving them up to the

719
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:59.760
you know, like within seconds,
the details of exactly what the ball is

720
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.039
doing and where it's going to land, and they can predict where it's going

721
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:07.280
to land before it does it.
It's really remarkable. And if you have,

722
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.840
you know, the Apple Vision Pro, you can watch a tournament with

723
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.760
multiple screens going on and feel like
you're right anyway, Tech geek stuff,

724
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:23.719
love it. Find it. Marquise
Brownie on AI, could I do two

725
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:28.920
quick plugs. I would love that, even though you know I hate marketing.

726
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.360
This is me. This is my
simple thing. But I you're on

727
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.679
my podcast, man, and it's
all about the marketing. Go. I

728
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.800
want to hear more about two things. I'll start with it with back to

729
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:43.199
the topic of today's podcast, which
is one of the topics, which is

730
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.119
how to hit the ball longer off
the tea. I have a video.

731
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:50.559
I've had it on my website for
I don't know five years. It's called

732
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.000
Explosive Power. It's long, it's
about I think it's two and a half

733
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:57.679
hours. It's a long one,
but I go through every single element of

734
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:01.480
how to increase clubhead speed, make
more center face contact, to hit the

735
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.320
ball further with the driver. And
it's one of our best sellers on the

736
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.000
videos. So that's one plug.
The second plug is if you have the

737
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:14.000
yips. Anybody listening who has yips, yourself or you know somebody who has

738
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.960
yips, there is hope. I
work with more golfers with yips than anybody

739
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.960
else on the planet. That's a
certainty, and I have a very high

740
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.840
success rate and it's only getting better
as I'm learning more and more about what

741
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.960
works and what doesn't work and helping
people overcome the yips. And I've got

742
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:35.960
this my biggest success so far.
I worked with a guy a year and

743
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.519
a half ago in Hawaii who when
he was in high school was the number

744
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:42.559
one ranked junior in the country and
he was playing. At the time,

745
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:49.320
he was playing with people like Scottie
Scheffler and beating them right, but very

746
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.760
slowly, starting in senior year he
started getting full swing yips, and then

747
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.119
he got a full ride to an
IVY League school. Was the number one

748
00:53:55.159 --> 00:54:00.239
player in the Ivy League school's golf
team. The yips slowly got worse over

749
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:01.639
time, and he got so bad
by the end of his junior year he

750
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:05.559
had to quit the team. He
couldn't he couldn't play, and he eventually

751
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.239
quit golf. And he contacted me
about a little over a year and a

752
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.320
half ago, and he came out
to Hawaii and worked with me at Colina

753
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:19.519
Golf Club for three days. And
he is now by the way, At

754
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.679
the time, he would only yip
on the golf course, not ever on

755
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.559
the range, and he was hitting
the ball so solid and so far was

756
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.239
such a great looking swing that everybody
on the range would stop and just stare

757
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.599
at him. Even then when he
still had the yips, although again not

758
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:36.880
on the range, he would have
been ranked one of the top ten ball

759
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.840
strikers in the world. That's how
good the guy was. And he shared

760
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.119
with me that he played. He
played he played at the you know,

761
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:51.159
fred the Presidio in San Francisco from
the tips a week before he came out,

762
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:52.199
and the yips were so bad.
I think he shot one hundred and

763
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:57.599
ten. So imagine being one of
the top ten ball strikers in the world

764
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.800
and shooting one hundred and ten.
That's how That's how devis stating the yips

765
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.760
can be to someone's golf game.
So it didn't happen right away. It

766
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.039
took them a few months. He
had to go home and do a lot

767
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.119
of practice. But he started seeing
some significant improvement in the reduction of the

768
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.400
yips by the end of the third
month after he returned home. And he

769
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.079
contacted me about six months ago,
he's back then it's actually trending down.

770
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.599
He was a zero handicap. He'll
be probably a plus three by the end

771
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.679
of the end of the year.
That's amazing. There is hope even for

772
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.400
a severe case like that, it's
possible to overcome the yips. Amazing,

773
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:37.320
incredible story. Yeah, and you
can find that all at balancepoint golf dot

774
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.119
com. Correct awesome, Jimmy,
thanks so much, man, it's always

775
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.639
great to talk to Thanks Red having
me on again, and we'll do we'll

776
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:50.880
do episode three ninety five. So, as I mentioned during our conversation,

777
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.519
I'm headed up to Creswell, Oregon
tomorrow to get a tour of the Lab

778
00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:00.320
Golf factory. Then I'll have Sam
hand give me a tutorial on the best

779
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.559
way to take advantage of my new
broomstick putter and play a round or two

780
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.719
with Sam at his home course,
Emerald Valley Golf Club. It's in Creswell,

781
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:15.599
Oregon, just outside of Eugene,
and if everything works properly, I'll

782
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:21.000
record an episode while we're playing and
hopefully create some video of that tutorials.

783
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.880
Stay tuned for that one and I
will personally keep my fingers crossed. I

784
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:29.280
hope your golf season is in full
swing and you're playing better than ever.

785
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.039
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786
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.039
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795
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