1 00:00:15,439 --> 00:00:20,640 What is krack alacin fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,320 you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes. Today we'll be 3 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:30,679 going through NBA news and rumor updates and reacting to them for every NBA team. 4 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,840 Then there will be another episode coming out immediately the day after where Grant 5 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,960 and I are giving you every NBA team's holiday or Christmas wish list. If 6 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,320 you you know holiday wish list. We don't want to, you know, 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,719 isolate anybody who doesn't celebrate Christmas. But it's news and rumors today. Before 8 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,079 we get started the user reminders, please rate, review, and subscribe to 9 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,399 us. 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Thank you for 33 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:21,560 all you do for supporting me. Hey, thank you, and thank you 34 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,400 for always asking me how I'm doing. Even though however long we've been doing 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,280 this for, I still feel like I never have a good answer because if 36 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,800 I just said, like hypothetically, if I just said I'm good, and 37 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,520 then there was dead air for like ten seconds, would that be better or 38 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,960 worse than when I try to think of something to say. You should try 39 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,240 to catch me off guard. It can't be anytime soon now, but you 40 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,840 should do that and see if I notice said none, You're gotten a business. 41 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,199 Dan. You have incredible answers when we're not recording, And so maybe 42 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,680 we should charge admission for people just to watch the pre production put like they're 43 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:59,159 like, they're basically sixty minutes long now they used to be like twenty thirty. 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,879 Yeah, like sixty minutes. We just ramble and we game plan. 45 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,000 There's some like the there is, But I would say, if you're a 46 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:13,759 regular listener and you're UH, you're you're familiar with our tangents, you can 47 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:19,879 imagine how the one hour pre taping UH conversation goes, which is to say 48 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,960 it goes in a lot of different directions. They definitely could not have No 49 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,280 one would have guessed the tangents of tonight, probably not, probably not. 50 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Yeah, put it behind a paywall. Let's get a paywall up. Everybody's 51 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:38,800 hear us talk about the Dan's caloric deficit, which I wasn't gonna say this. 52 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:40,439 I only just thought of it now. I definitely wasn't gonna say it 53 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:46,120 on air. We have officially reached people think I'm sick. My older sister 54 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:47,879 said something to me. She knows what I'm doing, but we were at 55 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:52,080 the gym together and she's like, oh, you look like you're like Saint 56 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:57,840 Jude's level sick right now, Like it's hit so that I have like a 57 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,360 month left. So I thought, I I didn't. I guess I see 58 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,000 myself every day so I don't notice it. But I'm not sick. I 59 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:06,639 I appreciate any and all concern I got a lot of it last year. 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,520 I was honestly, I think I forget that some people listen and watch us, 61 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:14,400 and so when people like flooded them, that was the That was one 62 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,720 of those flashblub moments for me, whereas like people actually listen or like know 63 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,399 this podcast where they're like, like, are you okay? Right? Just 64 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:30,920 uh, if your concern is, you know, limiting people's worries about you, 65 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,920 maybe don't say people think I'm sick. And then I have a month 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,319 left? Uh like in close proximity to each other, sorry, until I 67 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,160 gorge on real food? Right, one month left until? Uh? So 68 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,800 news and rumors do we just want to We'll alternate. We'll go through every 69 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,600 team here. Obviously some teams are more more sparse than than others. But 70 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:58,279 I think we've gotten a lot of some disappointing injury news, that's for sure, 71 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,720 especially if you're a Knicks fan and it is tis the room, tis 72 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,920 the season for for trade rumors. Yep, let's go for it. You 73 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,879 want to you can take the Hawks. Let's let's get it moving. Man, 74 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,199 I have to take the Hawks. They're so depressing, but yes, 75 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,680 let's do. Let's do the Hawks. Uh So bogged up Agdonovic may miss 76 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,120 or will like he's been dealing with he played right what's that he played? 77 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,600 He played tonight, so he did play. He's been dealing with the right 78 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,639 ankle issue. He missed two games. That's just something monitor because he's had 79 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,279 right knee and ankle issues in the past, and then this on the Hawks. 80 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,560 Per Mark Stein, the recent injury loss of Most Improved Player candidate Jalen 81 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,920 Johnson was an undeniable blow, but that alone doesn't explain in Atlanta's under achievement. 82 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:43,959 The Hawks made DeAndre Hunter and Clint Capella available in various trade discussions during 83 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,879 the offseason and are likely to expand their trade approach in the coming weeks. 84 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:53,720 And then Michael Grange of Sportsnet added that the Hawks maintain their interest in Pascal 85 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,959 Siakam. I don't know what to make of the Hawks other than that their 86 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,639 defense really sucks, and that's what I don't know how to fix it with 87 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,000 a trade. My reaction to the Siakam stuff, I just don't think he 88 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,279 ends up fixing what ails them the most? Do I think he would be 89 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,600 interesting on this team? Sure, but why are you gonna put someone else 90 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,920 who needs the ball in their hands or prefers to have the ball in their 91 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,279 hands next to one Trey Young but possibly two de Jente Murray as well. 92 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,040 Yeah? I agree, I don't it's interesting that the two guys that Stein 93 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:28,319 mentions, Hunter and Capella are guys that theoretically are two of their better defensive 94 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:30,759 players, right, So these are the guys we're gonna move because we're underachieving. 95 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,079 And it's not like, you know, cutting either of those guys loose 96 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,279 is you wouldn't think would improve the defense. But at this point, who 97 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:42,000 knows, right, Like, they are a couple of the common elements of 98 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,439 a roster that has been bad defensively for quite a while. So you know, 99 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,399 I don't I don't know what to do with that. But Siakam, 100 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:51,519 I mean, actually maybe this is a topic for the Raptors or something later, 101 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,879 But like you mentioned, I'm having a hard time finding the team where 102 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,439 I feel like he's clearly the missing piece that kind of addresses what they need. 103 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,560 I mean, you know, there's maybe a couple, but it's definitely 104 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,560 more frequently the case where exactly what we just said is what you'd say about 105 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,920 a Siakam acquisition, which is like, well, yeah, I mean he's 106 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:12,680 been an All NBA player and he's really good and he can help on both 107 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:15,480 ends. I just he's not like the skeleton key to whatever this team's problems 108 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:18,040 are. Yeah, that probably is more of a Raptor I think I could 109 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,879 probably think of a few teams. The Hawks, to me, are not 110 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,000 one of them. Though if I were teams, I'd be calling about the 111 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:28,560 Jontay Murray and Bogdan Bogdanovich to see, hey, what could Like I was 112 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,920 trying to go through teams for Bogdanovic the other night, and I don't there's 113 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,560 not an obvious one that sticks out. But like, if you're a team 114 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,240 that doesn't want to cash in your chips for like, what if the Sixers 115 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:39,480 just said, we're okay eating into our cap space, we don't want to 116 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,720 give up all our assets. But like Bogdanovic in Philly, Bogdanovic in La 117 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,319 Bogdanovic in Toronto, if the Raptors haven't accepted reality at this point, would 118 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,759 be someone who could help them for sure. There's a lot of teams that 119 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,480 could use him, and I remain we had a discussion in discord. I 120 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:55,120 know a lot of some of our members are kind of lower on de Jonta 121 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:57,720 Murray. I'm still pretty high on him, and so far I was a 122 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,879 team, like, I'd rather have Jontay Murray the Zactly and I if I'm 123 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:03,879 the Lakers, I guess it gets a little bit weird he feels like a 124 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,759 more specific fit, like Orlando is not going to go after him because it 125 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,319 feels too he's better on offense than markkel Foltz. Uh but do you want 126 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:13,519 like is that enough of an upgrade from there? But there are teams, 127 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,959 like a ton of teams that I think if you don't like, you could 128 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:18,600 think about and come up with like, Oh, no, he would make 129 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,360 He would make a lot of sense there. Yeah, that's fair, all 130 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:26,120 right. The Boston Celtics Chris has Porzingis missed Boston's game against the Warriors on 131 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,199 Tuesday night due to a calf due to calf injury management. Uh, he 132 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,240 probably would have made a difference because they maybe only would have missed like thirty 133 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,679 nine threes and won that game had he had he been involved. How many 134 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,919 threes would they have shot with him out there instead of instead of Horford for 135 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,879 most of the game. Another more center news, although I will say, 136 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,399 uh, neamyas Kaida, who I was familiar with a little bit because he 137 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:54,120 came up with the Kings and kind of bounced between their NBA roster and G 138 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:56,960 League roster. I think I don't know what he finished with, but he 139 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,840 was looking he's big, he's athletic, and he's the When I'm thinking of 140 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,360 Celtics needs and I want like a Luke Cornett upgrade, I kind of think 141 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,399 of someone like him to just bang around and be more athletic than everybody else 142 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,879 for like ten twelve minutes. He definitely did that against Golden State. So 143 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:15,519 I don't know if he's long for that roster or if, you know, 144 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,600 if they view him as someone that's gonna do more than kind of show up 145 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,120 every you know, once a week or something. But he was. That 146 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,080 was an interesting set of minutes from him. I hadn't seen him play for 147 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,399 the Celtics yet. So speaking of just sticking with centners in Boston, Luke 148 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,399 Cornett should return from his thigh injury before Boston's Christmas Day game versus the Lakers. 149 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,759 Also Jason Tatum. Now I didn't have this in there because it happened 150 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,840 to Warriors games praying his ankle and he was out on recording the Wednesday night. 151 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,399 I can't remember the day of the week. That's something that I mean, 152 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,720 the Celtics started winning the non Tatum minutes, but that's certainly something that 153 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:54,480 matters for sure. The Brooklyn Nets Dennis Smith Junior is still dealing with lower 154 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,000 back issues. He didn't play Wednesday against the Knicks. He's played in just 155 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,360 two of the nets past fourteen games. Lonnie Walker, the fourth, though, 156 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:03,120 is close to returning from his hamstring injury. He has not played since 157 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:09,159 November thirtieth, and finally, and less optimistically, Jacques Vaughan said he still 158 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,120 doesn't have a timetable for Ben Simmons's return from a back injury. Simmons is 159 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,720 supposed to be re evaluated a couple of weeks. He's missed the team's past 160 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,320 twenty games, and so just still basically no timetable for his return. Is 161 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,120 the is the update there? Yeah, I've that's tough. I really was 162 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:30,000 excited about both Smith and Walker signing with ending up in Brooklyn this year, 163 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:33,080 and they just haven't been able to shake the injury. Bocus. Maybe Smith, 164 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,279 if he gets back, I can he can. I've been harping on 165 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,120 Brooklyn for just not being disruptive on defense despite all their long wings. Maybe 166 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:43,519 he can help with that when he comes back. Would you like, would 167 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,360 you take a stab at Ben Simmons if you're just kind of a rebuilding team 168 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,759 right now, that's he only has one year left on his deal after this. 169 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,159 I mean for probably Yeah. My knee jerk answer is probably not. 170 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,519 I just unless he's gonna help me get off of longer money. That's I 171 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,720 still think the the Oh my god, what are they called now? Are 172 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,559 they still the starters? Why can't I remember? Uh? No? Dunks? 173 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,559 Right? Don't? That was a big brain like seven names. They 174 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,159 they crapped all over. They were very nice about it. They went through 175 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,399 my trade deadline primer last year and I suggested Ben Simmons for Gordon Ayward. 176 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,919 I'd suggest that again, let's get some more like sized playmaking wings in in 177 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,679 Brooklyn and Ben Charlotte coud tank the rest of the season. Maybe Ben Simmons 178 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,039 comes back and you have him Brandon Miller, LaMelo, Mark Williams another motto 179 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,000 pick, Let's do it. Uh. Speaking of Charlotte Charlotte Hornets, Miles 180 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,639 Bridges was denied entry to Canada and unable to play in the Raptors versus Hornets 181 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:43,679 game earlier this week? Uh? Those earlier this week or is that tonight? 182 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,200 I can't remember that it was earlier this week that he was a night 183 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,200 entry. I don't think they had a home. They might have had a 184 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,320 home and home against Toronto. I don't know. But uh for those who 185 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,320 have lived under rocks and never listened to this podcast. Before Bridges was was 186 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,120 a to night entry due to a previous plea no contest to a fellony of 187 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,559 domestic violence charge. He faces additional domestic abuse charges now those are still ongoing 188 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:07,639 right like the whole like, I haven't heard anything about them. Thrown at 189 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,480 a car thing just great look for everything. This was Monday, by the 190 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,840 way, but it was. It's interesting because they don't know when he might 191 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,639 be allowed back in Canada, and I have zerro sympathy for that. Couldn't. 192 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:24,679 I could not fucking care less about Miles Bridges, could not Mark Williams 193 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,799 we do care about. His name is five straight games with a lower back 194 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,879 contusion. He's not expecting to play Wednesday as the Pacers. I haven't looked 195 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:35,639 up if he actually did play tonight. Mellow Ball does not have a concrete 196 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:39,480 timeline for return from his right ankle sprain that's kept him on the shelf since 197 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,799 November twenty eighth. He has reportedly resumed individual on court activity, so that's 198 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:48,679 a positive step, but again, you know, looking at another season really 199 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,759 kind of wrecked by ankle injuries. Not a great look. Just the Hornets 200 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,240 are dead in the water without him, and it makes it hard to like 201 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:58,879 plan all of your other stuff because like, what kind of pieces do we 202 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,559 need around this guy? Is he improving? In what ways? Is he 203 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,919 improving? You don't get that information. So it really is more than just 204 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,399 well he's their best player and he's heard. It's like, no, you're 205 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:09,799 This franchise is in a position of we got to figure out where we're going 206 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,840 and what do you need next to them? Yeah? Next to him is 207 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,399 can he be the driver of your half court offense or do you need a 208 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:20,159 different type of playmaker next to him? And they can't answer that question yet. 209 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,440 I will say the contract changes things, but like Steph Curry had a 210 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,200 bunch of ankle issues early on and he penned out, Okay, sure, 211 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,600 yeah, the Chicago Bulls. This is kind of a bummer. Tory frag 212 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:35,960 will miss at least the next eight to ten weeks after being diagnosed with an 213 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,399 acute sprain of his right planter fascia. The injuries expected to be immobilized for 214 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:45,080 at least four weeks and so like I would put if he's back before ten 215 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,799 weeks, I'd be a little bit shocked. Billy Donovan also said zach Lvine 216 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,000 is still on track to return within the three four week timetable for his right 217 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,039 foot injury that was back on December sixth. He has not played since November 218 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,480 thirtieth, though. If he does the three weekend of that, we're looking 219 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,559 at a little bit after Christmas. If it's the four week, we'll see 220 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:05,120 him into the new year. The Bulls, that should be noted, beat 221 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,559 the Lakers again on Wednesday night. They've been very good without zack Lavine, 222 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,440 and this might be a good spot to talk about if you're the Bulls. 223 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,039 I mean, we've heard that there isn't a market for zach Lavine, and 224 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:20,279 it's just does this change are I think there's three different ways to look at 225 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,519 it. Can you get as many picks and prospects as possible for him, 226 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:26,399 and like maybe you still don't throw up your team, but you decide to 227 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,440 just get whatever you can, or you at the point where if there's not 228 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,600 a market, are you willing just to go Zack Lavine for expiring contract or 229 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,399 something like if I'm very curious see what he'll met on the trade market, 230 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:43,679 but I am also curious to see if what's happened without him informs what the 231 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,679 bull because we assume that Zack Lavine's trade was gonna kind of initiate or be 232 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,000 the first step in Okay, the Bulls are finally starting over? Is it 233 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:56,360 just gonna be them kind of divesting into multiple players and trying to perpetuate this 234 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,080 court well, and like if any team we're going to to be seduced by, 235 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 you know, a December winning streak that gets some you know, oh, 236 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:07,120 we're only at the end of this thing. What are they like eleven 237 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:09,919 and seventeen or something. Now it's like if hey, well, what's Zach 238 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Levine's back will really be cooking and we're gonna get that sixth spot in the 239 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,279 East or whatever of all teams, I know, all the reportings suggest that 240 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,639 this relationship is pretty much over. It's just kind of a matter of when 241 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,080 can the Bulls get a satisfactory return. But it's like, please, Bulls, 242 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,039 I'm speaking directly to you now, do not allow these wins. If 243 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,840 anything, these wins should suggest to you that, like we even more strongly 244 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:39,440 need to focus on moving Levine because clearly everybody's happier. I think Nick Vucevic 245 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,120 had comments, you know, not not outright saying like it's better without him, 246 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,000 but it's something like we're playing together, you know, just kind of 247 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,639 the if you don't need to like really do a lot of stretching to read 248 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,120 into it that like Levine being out of the lineup is not viewed as a 249 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,600 catastrophe by some of his teammates. I think that that feels like it's fair 250 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:00,799 to say we will have more on Zachlvie once we get to the Kings. 251 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:08,720 For some reason, that takes me to the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Calve's announced 252 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,960 on December fifteenth that Evan Mobley needs arthroscopic surgery on his left Knee's going to 253 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,159 miss sixty eight weeks. Darius Garland same day, December fifteenth, diagnosed with 254 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,559 a fracture jaw. That dude. I know, Daniel Tice like has the 255 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:23,000 belt for getting hit in the face, but Garland has like you took it. 256 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Garland's got it now, right, I mean, like in terms of 257 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:30,759 severity and frequently like just get just a face that gets hit. Some people 258 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,639 have one and Garland definitely does. He's expected to miss multiple weeks. I 259 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:37,440 heard I think I saw initially four weeks, but you know, who knows 260 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,720 we could do a real I mean, do you want to start talking about 261 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:44,639 Donovan Mitchell, trades and all this stuff, Like maybe maybe you should get 262 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:48,559 to the Evan Mobley stuff first. Well, I mean Evan Mobley stuff is 263 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:52,639 a big deal, Like six to eight weeks obviously, sort of like the 264 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,200 ball thing where I mean, Mobley hadn't been playing well in a lot of 265 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,600 respects, like just had stopped shooting jumpers, had looked hesitant. Maybe that 266 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,440 was the injury. But it's kind of like the ball thing where you know, 267 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,640 it's like almost a joke. Now, I know I've said it so 268 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,400 many times and you know, I'm sure everybody's tired of hearing it. But 269 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,200 like the here we go, the best version of this CALVS team has Evan 270 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,200 Mobley as it's best player. Whenever that happens, right, Like that's the 271 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,839 theory. And now you're going another couple of months probably minimum, you know, 272 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,759 based on you're gonna err on the side of caution with someone that's as 273 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:26,759 important to the franchise as him. Where you just don't really get to see, 274 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,559 like, you know, how's he developing? You know, two months 275 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,400 in a season may not seem like a ton, but like that's a big 276 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,680 deal for a player his age for a CALVS team, that's disappointing, Like 277 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,039 it's just it's not great. And so that takes you into the next sort 278 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:45,599 of spiral downward of like what do we do with Donovan Mitchell? But so 279 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,759 they well, so I don't understand that, to be honest with you, 280 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,160 and what is the to me, there's no Donovan Mitchell drama unless Donovan Mitchell 281 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,200 decides that he wants out because he doesn't see enough help around him here. 282 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,160 It's what are you gonna get for him in February versus if he decides to 283 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,480 see his one guarantee year left on this deal after this, what are you 284 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:08,319 gonna get for him? Now? Like how much different is the return gonna 285 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:14,160 be in February versus July or whatever? And I just don't think there'd be 286 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,160 a material difference. And so if he hasn't indicated he wants to leave, 287 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,000 I'm not even thinking about moving him. And this is not necessarily related to 288 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:26,319 Donin Mitchell stuff. And it's more murky because Darius Garland won't be part of 289 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,400 it for a while. There is a chance, just based off the like 290 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,480 the first game Jared Allen I think had after the even Mobile injury was reported, 291 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,200 this might just reinforce to the Caps like we need to move forward with 292 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,759 the one big or there needs to be a very more specific type of big 293 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:44,680 on this team so that we can stagger these two more and so potentially that 294 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,799 could be valuable information. This is I want to make it clear, it's 295 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,400 more of a bad way, more of a bad thing than any sort of 296 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,119 blessing in disguise unless you're just a big Craig Porter junior fan. But I 297 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,599 can't bring myself to think there is any urgency behind making it decision on the 298 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,799 Donovan Mitchell trade. Yeah, I think I'm more responding to like the news 299 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:11,480 cycle which which took the Mobile and Garland injuries and combined it with the Calves 300 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:17,400 being pretty disappointing to the very disappointing certainly for what we thought they were going 301 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,640 to be. And it just seems like the there's just a groundswell of like, 302 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,640 okay, let's start talking about the Mitchell trade. You're seeing different you 303 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,400 know, reports from plugged in people. Just this is like the topic now 304 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,359 and and maybe that's a mistake because it's kind of like the tails wagging the 305 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,119 dog a little bit. It's like, well, if we talk about a 306 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,799 Donovan Mitchell trade enough and make it into a you know, item in the 307 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:40,160 news cycle, then it'll happen. Like that's not really how it works, 308 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,240 but that is definitely like where this that is where this Calves conversation is going. 309 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,880 I don't know if that that's right, Like I agree with you, 310 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,559 like you don't, Well, we don't trade him tomorrow because like his market's 311 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:53,799 diminishing or anything. You wait till the deadline. You could do it in 312 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:57,000 the off season, do a million different things. He's like a weirdly tough 313 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,680 guy to trade for too, because unless sure, you know, all the 314 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,680 talk is well the next he wants to play for the next But it's like 315 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,799 so if you're the Nets or the Heat or whatever, you probably have a 316 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,440 leg up on re signing him. It's you know, when he when he 317 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,640 opts out, But like he is kind of like a rental for a lot 318 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,039 of other teams, like the longer term one than you want. But it's 319 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:18,680 like that affects what you might give up for him, that affects the teams 320 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,079 that might be interested in him. It's this has happened a few times now 321 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,799 lately, where it's like, you know, we're there's a marquee player that 322 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,240 is you know, not so far from free agency. I mean you could 323 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,119 already the Calves really did this, but there were two plus years left on 324 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,880 the deal then, where it's just like, well, who's going to trade 325 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,640 for this guy and give up stuff where maybe you could sign him or or 326 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:42,440 or you know he's gonna leave anyway. It's just a it's an interesting dynamic. 327 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,160 But yeah, it is hasty to talk about the Donovan Mitchell stuff, 328 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,480 but that's what everybody's talking about. So yeah, and the other thing they're 329 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:53,240 doing is they are on the verge. It looks like of negotiating a buy 330 00:20:53,279 --> 00:20:56,839 out with Rubio, which could be a little tricky because he's away from the 331 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,799 team dealing with his mental health carently an ongoing family issue, as much as 332 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:04,119 beef severe who have kept him out of international play. In this He's guaranteed 333 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,599 four point three million dollars next season, though, and so that adds a 334 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:15,559 little wrinkle to that process. This brings me to the Dallas Mavericks. Kyrie 335 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:18,519 Irving has now missed six straight games with his right foot heel injury. Head 336 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:23,000 coach Jason Kidd said there is still no timeline for his return, which you 337 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:26,039 know that's given all the injuries the MAVs has kind of dealt with, that's 338 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,480 problematic. Derek Wiley is second has missed a couple games with a sprained left 339 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:36,440 ankle. Something to monitor because the MAVs cannot stop anybody at the rim when 340 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,039 he's not on the court. And part of that is because Max and Kleba 341 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,839 Oh still as you have to play basically this season. Then Josh Green with 342 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,720 his elbow injury, remains sidelined. I don't really there's not much more to 343 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:49,559 go into with the MAVs, but Derek Jones juniors stopped hitting his threes. 344 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:53,559 Dante Egson has been great, but they really need a wing or point of 345 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:57,759 attack defender who defenses are inclined to guard from the perimeter at the other end. 346 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:00,599 But I will say Dante ms turned this guy who can drive and kick 347 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,559 in that spase, and he's hitting his threes for the most part. I 348 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,359 just don't know you want someone who's gonna draw more attention away from the ball 349 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,799 than Dante Xen. Yeah, I think that's right for the Denver Nuggets. 350 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,519 Big news item that you just typed into the dock, and you're gonna have 351 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,039 to elaborate on because I haven't kept up with the numbers. I know he 352 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,400 wasn't hitting him. But Aaron Gordon is hitting his free throws again, did 353 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,200 he Where'd he go like eight of eight or something. No, he's shot 354 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,680 over like the last five games. I think in the eighties, I believe, 355 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,960 and that was he was in the fifties for most of the season. 356 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:37,160 He is so okay. First sixteen games he was. He also started hitting 357 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,519 his threes, but he's not taking enough for them for me to care. 358 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,440 Twenty two point two percent on threes though on two point four attemps per thirty 359 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,799 six minutes through his first sixteen games, fifty two percent at the foul line, 360 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:51,119 three point three attempts per thirty six minutes again, first sixteen games, 361 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,119 last five games fifty percent from three only one and a half attempts per thirty 362 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,680 six minutes, and then eighty one percent on free throws five point three attemts 363 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,359 per thirty six minutes. I don't want to step talk about too much of 364 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,839 this. The Nuggets just didn't have a good news item unless you care about 365 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:08,839 Nicole Jokich signing a shoe deal. But because that is my part of my 366 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,200 holiday wish list for them, they need him to be hitting free throws because 367 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,440 he is someone who his attack mode away from the ball and on the ball 368 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,839 ebbs and flows with kind of how he's faring, with his efficiency at the 369 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,400 charity stripe and from the perimeter in general. Can I give you my I 370 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:29,599 arrived at this decision just just recently because the Nuggets haven't, you know, 371 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,759 looked like world beaters. I am officially my official Denver stance is I don't. 372 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:38,640 I'm not worried about anything until the playoffs. I'm just not gonna get 373 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,559 sucked in. I won't do such an like the fact that we're talking about 374 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,680 harping on Aaron Gorn's free throw shooting or oh is Peyton Watson you served Christian 375 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,519 Brown as the seventh guy in the rotation. This team is still built hashtag 376 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,319 built for it. They're gonna be fine if and I'm not even worried about 377 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,759 them. They have one of the best defenses in the league against top ten 378 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,839 offenses, and so it's like, I know we're kind of early in the 379 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,240 season, but this team is every I don't remember what podcast I was listening 380 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:11,000 to, but they mentioned Minnesota, Boston, Philly, even Milwaukee in there. 381 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,640 It was like, no, like, Denver is still needs to be 382 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,400 at least mentioned in the inner circle of contenders, whether you want to call 383 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,480 them the favorite five like they are, they're the raining chance for no. 384 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,079 Yeah, barring this significant injury, that's gonna last into the playoffs, Like 385 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,079 you can't. You cannot raise an issue with me that that is going to 386 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,920 make me concerned about that. Wake me, honestly, wake me up in 387 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,519 the second round and then well then we could start talking about any Denver Nuggets 388 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,880 concerns. Yeah, you know who's not going to be in the second round 389 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,039 or the first The Detroit Pistons who you have right now, are they even 390 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,400 gonna be in the NBA? Like, at some point, at what point 391 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,200 do you get kicked out? At what point does Adam Silver say, you 392 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,400 guys got to leave pretty soon? Probably twenty three in a row, twenty 393 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,359 four in a row, I can't remember now, it's scor it's so bad 394 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,079 it's impressive. A couple notes on them. Jalender And has not played since 395 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,839 December sixth while dealing with brain left ankle, and head coach Money Williams recently 396 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:07,200 said he still isn't practicing the athletics. James L. Edwards the Third had 397 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,640 a lot of goodies this week. So apparently the Pistons will be interested in 398 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,000 adding og An Andobi or Tobias Harris via trade or in free agency this summer 399 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,359 when they're both hit the open market. And Edwards we'll talk about all this. 400 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:25,400 Also reported that contending teams like Dallas, Boston, Oklahoma City have expressed 401 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,480 interest in trading for Isaiah Stewart, who's currently subject to the poison pill provision. 402 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,720 After signing a four year, sixty million dollar extension, there's a team 403 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,880 option on the final year of that season. Now, one very quick note 404 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,400 before kind of diving into the thought process behind this, it's actually easier to 405 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,039 move poison pill deals in the new CBA if you're sending them to a team 406 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,160 that is not dealing with luxury tax apron concerns because of the two hundred percent 407 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,480 rule on sort of some of those salary blocks so he could be moved. 408 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:57,000 I know it's very rare, but I'm wondering if this kind of sparks seeing 409 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,799 more players sign extensions in the summer and then still get moved that following season, 410 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,759 like when they're coming off their first deal. I would love him, 411 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,240 I think I don't. I don't know if I I think I would love 412 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,559 him most of that in Boston maybe or is it I thought about Okac a 413 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,200 little bit, but I'd like someone bigger, like taller than him there, 414 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,000 uh, Dallas, I guess makes some sense if you really don't trust Maxi 415 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:26,720 Kliba and Dwight Powell in the you know, playoff settings, but so I 416 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,759 get their interest in like the problem with trading for og An Andobi for them 417 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,440 is you're gonna have to give up stuff, and you're not good enough to 418 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,680 giving up stuff. You have no extra first round picks if you want to 419 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,839 sign og Anobi like, and you're gonna create the CAP's best necessary if you're 420 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,119 gonna create the cap space necessary to get him, Okay, sure, like 421 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,079 a wing who spaces the floor defends his ass off. That fits on every 422 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,559 team, whether you're rebuilding, whether you're competing for a title. But like, 423 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,240 if you're gonna get Tobias Harris, I understand he shouldn't cost as much, 424 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,759 but you're still gonna need to send outgoing salary. And so is it 425 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,400 you trading Joe Harris and Monte Like are you hoping to do something along those 426 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,799 lines? I just this team, doesn't you know? Obviously people who run 427 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,119 NBA organizations are supposed to be smarter than us. I'm not quite sure Troy 428 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,559 Reaver knows what he's doing. Well, that's the thing. It's like this, 429 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:22,319 the idea that the Pistons would do anything but trade away veteran players at 430 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,480 this point just seems it's needed. The type of thing you do if you're 431 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,880 trying to win a few extra games or make it respectable as an executive because 432 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,559 you know you're maybe on the way out or you're and you're trying to prevent 433 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,400 that. Like that's that seems like what this would be because I give me 434 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,359 the other, give me the rational justification for let's add of you know, 435 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,759 it's just to anonobe to me. You're right that he fits, he's a 436 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,480 universal fit just because of his skill set. But it's like, what, 437 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,720 why does this team this year need him, and why would this team this 438 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,279 year give up things to get him? And why in the summer would Anonobe 439 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,720 re sign with the Pistons, all things being equal, I just like it 440 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,559 cause out and so like you're you're gonna have to give up at least two 441 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:11,559 firsts, and I would take the over on that two first to just give 442 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,039 him more money than he's probably worth because he's not a max player. He's 443 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,279 just a desired archetype. When you're looking at what a max player should do 444 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,319 on the court in a vacuate, you need more offense out of him. 445 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:26,200 What's also interesting here, though you mentioned Troy Weavers' job security, you just 446 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,559 signed Monty Williams to one of the most expensive coaching contract history for was it 447 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,640 five years, seven years? I don't even remember if it was like seven 448 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,119 for seventy or something like that. So my whole thing is like, how 449 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,519 are you supposed to replace? You can do it, but so you're gonna 450 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,200 find Troy Revers replacement by also saying, well, like you can't hire a 451 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,599 head coach though, just because I know they don't kind of get to the 452 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:49,119 cap. We're not paying this dude. That's what bad teams do. That's 453 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,000 what teams with bad ownership and bad organization organizational structure do. Like the Kings 454 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,240 did it all the time. They did like three times in a row. 455 00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:00,319 Where it's just like the coach and the GM just were ever hired at the 456 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,680 same time, or they were hired in the wrong order. This this happens, 457 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:07,759 but it kind of only happens with teams that don't have their shit together, 458 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,480 which is very very much the case for the Pistons six years and seventy 459 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,079 eight and a half million dollars. By the way, for Monty Williams, 460 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,720 I will say I'd be okay if they signed Annobi and if the Sixers were 461 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,519 gonna I know, he's kind of gone cold after his hot start at the 462 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,680 Sixers said well, we'll break up Tobias Harris into your smaller expiring contracts, 463 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,960 and fine, do that. But the idea of them giving up trade assets, 464 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:32,920 because it's just like, what are you any trade whether they trade like 465 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,680 a star Thompson or kid coming home and get ogn Andobi and as well, 466 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,720 what the fuck is this team doing You're not gonna get now here's something that's 467 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,839 interesting just based off the way they've used him if it was just j and 468 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,039 Ivy and salary for ogn Andobi? Is that too because was about to start 469 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,960 his third deal? Is that too just? I still can't do it because 470 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,640 the draft equity I have in Ivy as a as the Pistons. But again, 471 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:56,640 I just don't think this is a team that should look at you want 472 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,680 to sign him? Fine, this is not a team that be looking to 473 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,279 trade assets. You need to be an asset accumulation mode. Yep, I 474 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:08,200 agree with that. Let's move on to the If you're ready to move on 475 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,200 to the Warriors, here our next team. Yeah. They announced on Thursday 476 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,480 that Gary Payton, the second who had a calf injury that was described initially 477 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:22,759 as a tear and seemed really like this was maybe going to be a really 478 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,240 long term thing. He's been cleared to begin some light on court individual work. 479 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,799 Will be re evaluated another week. He could return as soon as Friday, 480 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,920 the twenty second against the Wizards, which is a first of all Jordan 481 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,640 Pool reunion time. Will there will there be a Jordan Poole tribute video? 482 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,559 Oh my god, Yeah, there is it. It's at Chase Center. 483 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,839 I think so they're they're they're just at home against Boston. I don't think 484 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:49,799 they're flying to Washington. Then there there will be everyone gets a everyone gets 485 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,759 a tribute video, right, I mean Draymond won't even be there to make 486 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,400 it awkward because he's suspended. So that's a positive too. Oh, yes, 487 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,000 they are home, just to confirm, and it's on ESPN, which 488 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,839 which is just like it has to be a little bit pissed about that because 489 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,240 now Draymond, the only reason you have that game on national television is for 490 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:14,480 Pool versus Draymond. Right, too bad and perfect segue. Draymond Green suspension 491 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,079 is gonna last at least three more weeks. According to Sean Sherani of The 492 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,240 Athletic, that would put his potential miss games total up at thirteen. Who 493 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,720 knows it's an indefinite suspension, that this is a new thing. You know, 494 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,039 Joe Dumars has done this, you know, indefinite with with Jaw. 495 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,200 He's done it with last year with Joab before he gave the hard twenty five 496 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,359 games, and now with Draymond. And it's kind of like being framed I 497 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,960 guess as like or he's framing it as like, let's help these players. 498 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,319 Let's not just like cast them out and punish them, which I don't know 499 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,480 whatever. It's also kind of like a f're cynic and I will raise my 500 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,559 hand. It's also a nice tool to, like, you know, we 501 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,279 don't have to say a strict number of games, because every time someone gets 502 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,720 suspended, it's always being compared to all this person did this and got five 503 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:01,880 games. How is this only worth eight? If you just do indefinite and 504 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,640 you say, well, he's he's in a good enough place now he can 505 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400 come back, that's kind of makes it a little easier to be wishy washy 506 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,279 that way. How do you I don't want to be too cynical here either, 507 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,880 because I do try to be very empathetic to the mental health thing. 508 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,079 But the way that Steve Kerr has talked the way not even someone like I 509 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,240 can't tell if Nurkic and Gobert. Nurkic was clearly trolling, but like Gobert 510 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:30,000 saying this idea that Draymond needs to seek help, why wasn't it then broached 511 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,160 If it has to do with what's happening on the court, it should have 512 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,200 been broached in twenty sixteen at the latest, right, And it seems like 513 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,039 they're suggesting, and I hate implying or asking this because we don't know. 514 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Some shit must be going down off the court, in which case that does 515 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:49,240 change the dynamics of this quite a bit. I will say, though, 516 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,119 if that's not what's happening, and this is how they're talking, that's some 517 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,759 really underhanded CD shit to frame it this way. I'm not a fan of 518 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:02,400 mental health being used as a shield because there are people that have less resources 519 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,000 and support at their disposal that are going through real shit. And I'm not 520 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,359 saying because you're rich you're in this situation with resources you can't go through real 521 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:14,519 shit. I hope everything is actually okay, but the way they're talking it 522 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,400 making it something serious is going on off the court, and I'm not I 523 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,319 don't want to hope for that my I don't know if I'm being too insensitive 524 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,359 or is this too curmudgingly? Is this politically incorrect by saying if something's not 525 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,720 happening off the court, this is really fucked up the way that it's being 526 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,920 framed. Yeah, well, I mean it's it's just as a default setting. 527 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,279 It's hard for me not to be cynical, but looking at the JA 528 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,559 morant stuff like he got suspended. You know, he went and went to 529 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,559 Florida and did however many hours of you know whatever kind of counseling, and 530 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,400 then he's a change, you know, like that's and then he does this. 531 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,759 It's just like that was total bullshit. Sorry, like I will just 532 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,079 be cynical about it. So it is, it's not totally out of bounds 533 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,599 to sort of, you know, raise an eyebrow at like the way that 534 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,319 the lead is kind of I don't know, again, I don't I totally 535 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:06,319 sympathize, and I don't want to say like all this mental health stuff is 536 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,920 all phony if it's I hate having to use it if it's happy, because 537 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,760 if we're not doubting that it's capable of happening. I just the way it's 538 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,119 being framed, because it wasn't framed like this after the Rudy Gobert choke hold, 539 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,840 which was when you think that was more vicious than what he did to 540 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,880 use of Nurkice right. Last item here related though, the Players Union is 541 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,199 not going to appeal Draymond Green's indefinite submension because he is accepting it. That's 542 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,159 I saw. That was from WOJ I think so, that's another interesting one 543 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,440 like it. You know, usually the players Union, certainly in other sports, 544 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,519 like in baseball, the players Union will just appeal everything like no matter 545 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,559 what, and basketball hasn't quite that way. But that's interesting that it's like 546 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,119 we're good, we're hands off, which makes me think that it's not just 547 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,599 Draymond accepted it, but he actively said, don't fight it, because it 548 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,239 does create the dunked on guys who are both lawyers. I believe right, 549 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,239 LaRue and Nate are both You're in a tourney background too. It creates a 550 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,840 slippery slope in the sense of does it give the NBA like too much purview 551 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,480 over what they're able to do with players. And it's not just the suspensions, 552 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,719 it's you have to go to counseling now because you did X, and 553 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,199 so I would have expected the players Union to appeal just for the sake of 554 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,400 making this unable to become a precedent. Yeah, you just raised made me 555 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,159 think of something too. I feel like I've seen some pushback on the the 556 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,280 idea that you know, it seems paternal the pushback being it's paternalistic, it's 557 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,639 like controlling. It's a little weird that the NBA is now sort of as 558 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,760 part of these suspensions in a couple of cases. You know, you got 559 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,679 to go get yourself right, you got can't you can't come back until things 560 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,199 are sorted out. It's like, well, that's take that. That seems 561 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,360 unfair somehow. It's like, no, man, I just like the NBA 562 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:52,679 is a business and it employs people, and you could they don't have to 563 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000 let you play. It's like it's not your it's not your they can say 564 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,719 no. It's just like any you know, if you haul off and slug 565 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,519 a co worker at your office job, like there's a decent chance that you 566 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:07,760 might need to jump through some hoops to get back into the office there cause 567 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,519 for sure. Yeah yeah, uh. That actually is the second to last 568 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:16,360 note, because you didn't mention that Trace Jackson Davis and Jonathan Kaminga have played 569 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,760 Draymond Green and Keavon Luonian to the trademarket. I don't know how I missed 570 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,639 that in the note, but that is absolutely what's I mean. I just 571 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:31,119 the groundswell of like I don't know if it's joy, but just like thank 572 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:36,639 god it's finally happening with Kaminga and TJD playing well among Warriors fans. It's 573 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,239 just it's just all anyone's wanted for so long. It's to have like young 574 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,840 athletic guys be contributing to this team. And we had one game of it 575 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,480 against Boston. So it's a we're having parades out here the Houston Rockets. 576 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,039 We won't mention Jalen Green because I will mention Jalen Green when we talk about 577 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:55,320 their holiday stuff. I'm and Thompson returned for one game from his sprained ankle, 578 00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:00,239 then missed the next four with an illness. He was cleared to play 579 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,159 on Wednesday, though, so that's good to get him back in the fold. 580 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:07,480 I'm very interesting to see immediately, not you know, the first couple 581 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,519 of games, but like the bigger picture of this same season, how much 582 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:15,119 they rely on him because they're kind of trying to tow two different sides of 583 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,760 the timeline right now. Yeah. Indiana Pacers Miles Turner's dealing with a hamstring 584 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,440 injury that signed sidelined him Monday and as a list as questionable for Wednesday. 585 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,159 Jalen Smith, who's missed nine straight with the left knee and heel issues, 586 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,519 participated in Pasterers practice Tuesday, and one more piece of injury news. Andrew 587 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,880 Nemhard will miss a sixth straight game Wednesday with a bruise right knee. I 588 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,440 am medison to reticent to mention this, but there's a reporter from fans sided 589 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,280 I apologize I don't remember their name, mentioned that India is prepared to like 590 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,519 Pony up for Ogn and Obi and trade talks and would be willing to part 591 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:50,760 with jars Walker and said talks that to me is kind of more of a 592 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,159 duh thing. It's just I know that Jarvis Walker was just drafted eighth and 593 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,000 technically said they had the seventh pick they could have gotten so and they clearly 594 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,760 wanted them there. Uh. I just if I'm Toronto and I'm rebuilding around 595 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,880 Scotty and Og is the one I'm sending out, I definitely don't want Jarison 596 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,719 Walker on my team because Siakam is technically still in that roster. Then with 597 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,599 Peerle, I just yeah, that's the player, by the way, that 598 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,679 INDI needs. When you're looking at there, I don't think Og fixes their 599 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,159 entire defense, but it opens up so many different options for them, and 600 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,519 the fact that they've they're fun to watch, but like they've just completely ignored 601 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,280 like this idea that they need the combo wing Combo three four type for now 602 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,880 what two or three years basically, And so at least if they're lasered in 603 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,880 on og Anobi, at least they understand what they need the most. Even 604 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,440 though I don't think they would put the best offer on the table for him. 605 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,599 They have to be more cautious because I know he has ties to Indiana, 606 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,159 but would he leave in free agency? They're not a team that's historically 607 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,039 traded multiple of their own first round picks, which you're not getting out of 608 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:59,159 this for Jaris Well. I don't even think if you went to the Raptors 609 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:00,639 and said, Benedig matack through Jaris Walker in a first round pick, I 610 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,880 don't know if they say yes. I don't either. I don't either, 611 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,679 just because I mean, but but you're right that you know, and no, 612 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,519 there is no player that would solve all of Indiana's defensive problems, but 613 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,920 like Anonobi's got to be one of the ones that can do the most to 614 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,360 help, right And speaking of like you know who look pretty good on the 615 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,400 pacers right now, would speaking of jarifs Walker blah cool Bally would would not 616 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,159 have been a bad guy to have this like six' eight wings slash guard 617 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:37,280 that flies around the floor, would love to run and transition and can theoretically 618 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,119 came in build as like this guy will be a great defensive player. Don't 619 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,960 know what else he'll be like that, that guy would look pretty good as 620 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,480 part of Indie's course. Certainly better than Jaris Walker has played like eight games 621 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,360 so far. I wonder would they have given blakul Bally a shot though right 622 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,000 away? I mean you might have had to. Yeah, certainly the runway 623 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:57,239 in Washington and being such a you know, a much worse team is longer, 624 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,400 and like he's just gonna get a better look. But I don't know, 625 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,000 Like, wouldn't you think that he's so obviously talent, Like I don't 626 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,679 know that you could deny it if you had him in practice often enough, 627 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,920 right like he would presumably get in there. I will say, the fact 628 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,360 that they were willing to slow play it with Jaris Walker kind of makes you 629 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,320 wonder. It makes you even think, well, then they should have gotten 630 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,119 blow Cool vollymore. Everyone view him as a project. Clearly they were prepared 631 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,239 to take the slow play route with whoever they drafted, and he's just way 632 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,880 less of a project than it seemed like he was going to be. So 633 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,719 that takes us to the LA Clippers. I think, wait, no, 634 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,000 do you have the Clippers or do I Clipper head coach? And this is 635 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:36,320 only one note on him. They've been playing Other than my first no, 636 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,440 be they've been playing really really fantastic basketball. Head coach Tyron who said Mason 637 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,719 Plumley with his left MCL's brain has resumed some on court running. That's that 638 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,119 is very I don't really find it exciting because I think that Zubox has been 639 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,559 playing so well and I'd probably like to see them they have Tye. I 640 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,199 don't know if Mason Plumley, like when you look at the type of big 641 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,199 you want to play with, a Harden ball handler or even a Russ Paul 642 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,159 handle like, is plumbly the but again, having him back would certainly make 643 00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,599 their rotation even deeper, and they've been They have a top five offensive defense 644 00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,840 right now. Ever since they lost that the first five games uh post James 645 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,719 Harden trade, they have a top three net rating and they're basically top five 646 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,360 in offense and defense. And when you watch them, it's Oh, Kawhi 647 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,960 looks like an MVP, and James Harden has incredible chemistry with everybody he's taking. 648 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,079 I don't know if he's taking more catch and shoot threes than ever, 649 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,719 but it certainly feels that way. And even Paul George is just like he 650 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,400 looks I don't know what he's ever looked as connective to me. Norman Powell 651 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,400 looks fantastic. I think I'm stepping on too much of what I'm eventually going 652 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,639 to say when we do another podcast with the Clippers in it. But they're 653 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,360 and the big the big thing here. Paul George and Kawhi Leonard combined have 654 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,840 missed one game. Yeah, I mean that is That's all it is. 655 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,599 That's the whole thing for the Clippers. Everything else is secondary. Paul George, 656 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,320 I will say to step on, Uh, I don't know something we 657 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,880 may talk about several podcasts from now. Currently, if I'm picking West All 658 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,480 Stars, he's my last cut. He was my hardest guy to keep off 659 00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:09,519 the roster. Why do you think him and Kawhi or just like, if 660 00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,760 you get to a point where it's right, like these guys haven't really missed 661 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,360 any games. Do we just extend them? I mean, if the biggest 662 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,480 question was can they stay healthy, then I and if they answer it, 663 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,480 I guess I guess there might just be the good will of knowing, well, 664 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,639 we traded for James Harden. All these guys wanted to be in LA. 665 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,119 They're not going inwhere you don't need to. But Connor's like sitting here 666 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,719 watching especially Kawhi, It's like, we can't just erasee his injury record. 667 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,519 But no, yeah, I mean it at least makes it because there was 668 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:38,880 a minute there where it was and the Clippers viewed it this way too, 669 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,119 of just like hard, no, no, we are not extending them. 670 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,800 We you know that they would have done it in the off season if it 671 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,119 was a no brainer to do it. It was a no brainer not to 672 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,719 do it. Now it's the calculus is changing a little bit, which is 673 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,320 interesting for the Lakers. After missing twenty three straight games with the left knee 674 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,199 injury, Gabe Vincent did in fact play basketball for the Lakers and they're lost 675 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,199 to the Bulls on Wednesday night. Vincent played fourteen minutes. He was one 676 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:07,840 of four from the field, three points, three assists. Just good that 677 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,000 he's out there because in theory, he is someone that addresses quite a few 678 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,320 of their needs as just a guy who's gonna have a little more size as 679 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,000 a backcourt defender and can make some threes and has done it in the playoffs. 680 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,760 It's never been like a super highly accurate regular season shooter, but definitely 681 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,800 is someone that fills a role there. Secondly, both Lebron, James caff 682 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,199 and Anthony Davis left ankle spring question to play on Wednesday. Ad did play, 683 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,159 Lebron did play. They both played the thirty seven and thirty eight minutes 684 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,199 respectively. Lebron was an assists shy of a triple double. Speaking of guys 685 00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:43,039 that just keep playing like that, Although, what do you think about let's 686 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,639 we can talk about this now you have it as a West All Star, 687 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,559 right, Lebron, Yeah, he's a start. He's starting making sure. 688 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,639 What do you make of both the Lakers and the Pacers just kind of coming 689 00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,239 out of the Ncason Tournament a little bit Gas. Do you think that's coincidence 690 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:06,679 or do you think that's real? I think Vegas is undefeated. Fair good 691 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,280 answer, I will say. Note side note, I know I had this 692 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,559 discussion with you. I think It was on last week's podcast where I wasn't 693 00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,159 sure if I was the Lakers whether I would trade D'Angelo Russell to get zach 694 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,840 Lvine on his deal. I can now say with the utmost confidence I would 695 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,039 absolutely give up d' angelo Russell on the zach Lavine trade. I'm back on 696 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,800 that. I think I just had a little bit of galaxy brating for I 697 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,559 think that's when you want to include Rubyata Moore and other stuff is a separate 698 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,920 matter, but this team needs just an infusion of shooting and kind of another 699 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:40,199 put. Maybe Kaye Vincent helps with that wuff to see. I'd still every 700 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,280 every day of the week and twice on Sunday, I'm giving up D'Angelo Russell 701 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,840 for Zaclyen. I don't even like zach Lavine that much like I just think 702 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,800 he is a better fit and can deliver more. Look, you're consistent with 703 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,800 your take. Some might called stubbornness, but the consistency is it's it's smart. 704 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,960 In this case the Memphis Grizzlies. The only note on them Jamran is 705 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:05,440 and in a big fucking way, hits the game winner against the Pelicans on 706 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,960 Tuesday night in his return from a twenty five game suspension. I thought just 707 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,440 based on how the offense was being run, and he was just like the 708 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,599 successory for definitely the first quarter, certainly most of the first half that it 709 00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:20,280 was, I wasn't concern, but he looked great in the second half, 710 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,719 and I hope. Look, I think people we definitely crapped all over John 711 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,880 Morant when all the stuff was going on. He is a kid. Redemption 712 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,519 is an actual thing. As far as we know, he didn't, you 713 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,519 know, mortally hurt anybody. The whole fighting teenagers in retail stores is just 714 00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,880 it's pathetic, quite frankly, but everyone deserves their chance the shot at redemption. 715 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,440 I hope it works out for him. And that was as fun as 716 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360 the Grizzlies have been all season because they've been with all the injuries they're dealing 717 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,719 with. And to that end, they're going to get Marcus Smart back soon. 718 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,559 He's missed fifteen straight games with the spring left foot. He has started 719 00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:00,960 scrimmaging again though, per Taylor Jenkins, that is good because they need to 720 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,079 see a sample with Okay, what do we look like with Triple J Marcus 721 00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,400 mart Bain and Rant. Ideally you'd also get Lucnard as part of that, 722 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,360 but Lukenard has also missed fifteen games with Boone and brus in his left knee. 723 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,480 He was scheduled to return by the end of the month, but it 724 00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,159 is noteworthy if the Grizzy have not provided an update on his three week timeline 725 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,800 since early December. And finally, Derek Rose is listed as week to week 726 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,599 after suffering a right hamstring strain in the December fifteenth loss to the Rockets. 727 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:30,480 I'm excited for what you're gonna do with the Miami Heat here because I see 728 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,119 you putting a question mark, and that was my exact reaction when I read 729 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,800 what was there for them. Okay, I wanted to talk about Jaw real 730 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,280 quick, though, like we aren't we Unfortunately, we are not going to 731 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,519 get to see what the fully formed version of this year's Grizzlies can look like 732 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:51,119 because Steven Adams is not involved in Brandon Clark just may not play at least 733 00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:55,119 until much later in the season. But man, like I just forgot how 734 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,599 dynamic Jaw is because down the stretch of that game against New Orleans on Tuesday, 735 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:05,199 he just like he just gets to the front of the rim and then 736 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,960 jumps straight up and then he just finishes over the top of whoever's there. 737 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,079 It doesn't matter. It was like he was doing it over bigs, he 738 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:13,840 was doing it over wings, he was doing it over smalls, and it's 739 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,920 just he just changes everything about Memphis because he just he gives them someone that 740 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,840 can go get a bucket in ways that like we both love him. Desmond 741 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,840 Bane can't. Jared Jackson certainly can't. Just I need the tracking data on 742 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,280 this. Assume they can. If you rewind like two years ago and look 743 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,679 at the speed at which Jaron Jackson Junior is able to complete his spins off 744 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,079 of dribbles, it used to kind of look like buffering internet. And now 745 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,320 it's just like, oh, he's better, he's better, But you're right, 746 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,119 I just want to No, that's totally fair. I just I did 747 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,840 this is not there's no analysis here. It's just like, oh my god, 748 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,199 I forgot jaw was just like a top fraction of a percent athlete among 749 00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,280 NBA players and just is jumping over people to finish weird floaters over and over 750 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,039 again down the stretch of games. It was fantastic. More of that, 751 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,960 please, So for the Miami Heat, per Brian Windhorse of the Hoop Collective, 752 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,599 the Miami Heat, and at least two other teams in the I assume 753 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,760 he meant Southeast division, but you had in the notes Southwest. I don't 754 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,239 know, uh, two other teams in a division would also have interest. 755 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:22,719 I assume it's Southeast because one of them is probably Orlando, and one of 756 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,440 them I don't know who else that I was Gona. Actually, I'm sorry 757 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,920 for the typo there. That who and I didn't listen to that podcast, 758 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,679 So this is like classic aggregator, but it was floating around a bunch. 759 00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:37,079 Yeah, I like, what is the other team in the Southeast? Better 760 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:43,079 not be the ass that would be fun to judge Murray. It better not 761 00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:50,760 be Charlotte. Who is? It's probably Washington, right, just like I 762 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,480 I mean if it was the Southwest, would that make more sense? Well, 763 00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:58,960 I mean, so it's not Thelies, it's not the Pelicans, it's 764 00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,000 it's gotta be I mean, you know what, I bet it's Orlando in 765 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:06,599 Atlanta because it just can't beat Charlotte or Washington. But if it's the Sounds 766 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:12,480 that need to be relegated, Atlanta's front office apparently, I mean we should 767 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,320 should we talk about Donovan Mitchell now? Is that what you're holding off on 768 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,440 trade stuff? I mean, no, no, that was the I don't 769 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,159 think he's gonna become available. And I also just think that there's this weird 770 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,280 there's this dark contrast between how the Heat evaluate Tyler Hero and how the rest 771 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,400 of the league evaluates Tyler Hero. And if your offer is Tyler Hero and 772 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,079 stuff, the stuff other teams are going to want will far exceed what the 773 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:42,320 Heat are willing Slash can give because of how they view Tyler Hero. And 774 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,559 they're also look they the fact that Duncan Robinson's been playing so well, the 775 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,880 fact that Haime Hawkes Junior's been playing so well, the fact that I don't 776 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,400 know if you saw this stat from Cooper Morehead, but in games that bam 777 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,119 Adebayo and Jimmy Butler miss the Heat just shoot like a fifty from three in 778 00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,440 the first quarter. The fact that they're just this Heat culture is such a 779 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,199 it's so annoying and it's so real. They're fine, but like they don't 780 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,239 have Like you can't just trade Duncan Robinson now, and like even Kyle Lowry, 781 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,440 it's well, if you're trading Kyle Lowry, you better be getting back 782 00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,280 Donvan Mitchell just to have another ball handler in there. And if you viewed 783 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,159 Tyler Hero as super critical to your team, you don't just have this expendable 784 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,280 Like re signing Gabe Vincent might have made it easier to give up salary. 785 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,400 Not Gabe Vincent even specifically, but oh we can get rid of Lowry, 786 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,440 or maybe it makes it easier to give up Tyler Hero. I just I 787 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,039 don't know what like not that I don't know what the Heat are doing. 788 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,039 I just they're not built as built for a star trade based off how teams 789 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,480 around the league view Tyler Hero. And look, they're gonna be harder pressed 790 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,760 after this summer to do that because Kyle Lowry comes off the books and so 791 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,039 unless you're just resigning him with the intention to trade him, it's gonna get 792 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,519 trickier to navigate the trade. Waters Yeah, I mean they are, and 793 00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:00,000 they aren't set up to They're kind of I mean this past offseason kind of 794 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:01,519 proved it. They're set up to make like a pretty good offer, but 795 00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:06,920 almost never the best on the market, because you know, the if it's 796 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,119 it'll be Hero or Lowry. I guess as your big salary and then Yovic 797 00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,920 as the young guy going out and then however many picks I think, can 798 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,199 they trade three firsts or two? I can never remember, Like if they 799 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,000 like work it, they could get they could put in three. Yeah, 800 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:27,239 and that's like that's good, But it wasn't. I guess For example, 801 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,800 himy Hawkins is one of the rare rookies where it's oh, they drove off 802 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,159 the lot and he's more valuable than he was and they're not going to move 803 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:36,239 him. Yeah, you've taken him off the table. Yeah, it's got 804 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,920 and like somebody's gonna have to really like Yovich a lot, although Yovich is 805 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,800 still like fourteen years old, so there's a lot of upside there. But 806 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,599 yeah, I think they have the ability to have a lot of second best 807 00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:50,280 offers, you know which which applies to Mitchell on anybody else they're going to 808 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,480 go for. You got the Bucks next the Milwaukee Bucks. Nothing to really 809 00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:57,280 report on there. Jay Crowder is still out for anyone like Cares Pat Content 810 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,880 is back. That's a fairly big deal. When you look at their rotation, 811 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:02,440 I will say they are playing Andre Jackson Junior a little bit more. 812 00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:06,000 I still think they should play margin on Brochamp a little bit more. The 813 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,480 actual news item is Damian Lillard became the twenty first player in NBA history, 814 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:15,079 a fifty first player. Sorry to clear twenty thousand points. I cannot confirm 815 00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:20,199 whether he got the game ball. It's always so the point of contention these 816 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,920 days, these game balls did. The thing I learned from the Giannis Pacers 817 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,599 game ball thing was that, like, there's more than one game ball. 818 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,960 Apparently there's two they have like a backup. Not know that. I don't 819 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,320 know, it's not I thought a game ball is a game ball, Like 820 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,960 I don't go unrelated note, Hardway Knox is looking for a new co host. 821 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,000 You can email us Hardwin knocks at gmail dot com. There's the one 822 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,960 you can get if like a beer gets spilled on the ball. But shouldn't 823 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,159 the game ball be the one that was used in the game and not like 824 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,800 the backup that sat over there at the scorer's table for the whole game? 825 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,440 Like that's oh, I understand that, Like you get the game ball, 826 00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,000 it should be the one that was used the most. That's that's the game. 827 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,199 There's not two game balls. There can't be that they would have more 828 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,400 than one basketball that they got, they got more than one basket. Did 829 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,519 you see what Pat Bev said about this where if he was on the Pacers, 830 00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,960 he would have like punctured the ball or sliced it up and then give 831 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,280 it back to them. And it's like, first of all, you know 832 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,559 what, you know why I believe he would have done that, because he's 833 00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:23,159 absolutely the type of defender someone would have hung sixty points on. That's why 834 00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,599 I believe he would have done. Okay, shots fired at Pat Bev. 835 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,400 So I have the Minnesota Timberwolves next. How much do we want to talk 836 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:38,559 about the Anthey Edwards like abortion text thread and subsequent I'm sorry about that. 837 00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:43,400 That's not me press release like, so I would like to say something on 838 00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:45,639 it. Just go for it. I don't want me to read the I 839 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,360 should have framed. I should have asked you whether you wanted this one nor 840 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,639 I could read it? So, uh page is it? Jorday I didn't 841 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:58,679 read? Tagged Anthony Edwards in a post including a conversation via league text messages, 842 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,519 which allegedly should a photo of a positive pregnancy test, and responses from 843 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,920 Edwards that I've read, among other things, Hell now can't do this, 844 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,000 get an abortion. Lol. The most oddly placed lol in the history of 845 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:15,320 lols. The laugh it's just you're right, it's so ridiculous. The post 846 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,760 also includes a photo of a wire transfer of one hundred thousand dollars with text 847 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,360 messages saying I'll send you money to help to help you out, and you 848 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,800 got the money, what's the hold up? And then after this pretty short 849 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,159 order. Maybe the next day I think it was, Anthony Edwards on Twitter 850 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,400 released a statement that said I made comments in the heat of a moment that 851 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,280 are not me and that are not aligned with what I believe in who I 852 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,280 want to be as a man. All women should be supported and empowered to 853 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,840 make their own decisions about their bodies and what is best for them. I 854 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,000 am handling my personal matters privately and will not be commenting on them any further 855 00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:50,039 at this time. Before you talk, I think the only thing I would 856 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,679 add to this is like, yeah, man, this is a personal matter 857 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:58,440 that should be handled privately, and it sucks that like every conversation human beings 858 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,280 have now can just be screenshot it and sent out to the world. That's 859 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,800 that's kind of one of my It's like This isn't our business. We don't 860 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,960 this isn't something that's important for us to know about. But it just that's 861 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,840 just where we live now. Yes, that that is fair. And I 862 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,679 did not appreciate though, what Steve and A had to say on the matter, 863 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,440 and I appreciate very little of what he has to say. Quite frankly, 864 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:22,920 they're gonna have to fill me in. Well. He basically said, 865 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,920 why are we getting on, Anthony Davis. We're pro choice in America for 866 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,199 a reason, and it's it's page's body. It's not Anthony Edwards's decision to 867 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,320 make, even if he has a voice in that textbook is very much read. 868 00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:37,880 Should we talk? We didn't see the whole conversation, and you're right 869 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,119 about the screenshots were one. Not only is it annoying the stuff goes public, 870 00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,719 but then are we getting the full scope of a conversation. I will 871 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,800 say, he is twenty two, and I'm not excusing. This is not 872 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,280 boys will be boys, kids will be kids. I definitely said stuff when 873 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,239 I was that age that would mortify me now. And because we did not 874 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,119 live in the age of social media, I mean even two years ago, 875 00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:01,920 like social media climb, which is completely Maybe three five years ago is completely 876 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,199 different. So I'm not gonna excuse it. But just like the fact that 877 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,639 now we're talking because you do you did grow up in today's climate, and 878 00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:14,360 you are old enough to recognize saying get an abortion lol, really isn't okay. 879 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,760 And now we've had the whole thing with the homophobic slur previously. That's 880 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,960 true. I forgot about that. It just it troubles me, and it's 881 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,119 not I know some of people making jokes about the league's trying to find like 882 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:29,920 the next American face of the NBA, and they all keep not panning out. 883 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:36,239 I look, this is not anything on the level of what Josh Giddy 884 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,239 has been accused of. Like we're not talking about non consensual sex or sex 885 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,800 with a minor here. But it's just it's troubling, and I think it's 886 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,920 fair to me not. I know he's young and we don't understand the entire 887 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,639 context of the conversation. I'm with you, this stuff should remain private. 888 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,239 But if he's saying like things like what did the wire transfer mean? And 889 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,880 he's like checking up on it, like you got the money? Like what 890 00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:00,079 is going on here? I think my biggest pushback would come, and I 891 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:04,400 think it's I think he by the way he handled the response to this way 892 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,760 better than Steven A. Smith did, which I guess really isn't that surprising. 893 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,800 This is now the second time in eighteen months where you've kind of had 894 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,280 to say this doesn't reflect who I am as a person on something that's fairly 895 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,920 serious. I'm not writing him off as just a human being entirely, but 896 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,280 it's just there's clearly it's just it's unsettling. And again, I don't want 897 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,199 to sit here as a person in my oh my god, I'm not to 898 00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:30,960 say mid thirties now, don't I in my mid thirties criticizing someone who is 899 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,280 still a kid. It's it's disappointing, and I think it's fair to frame 900 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,599 it that way. I don't know that we need to come to his defense, 901 00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:39,760 and definitely the whole these private conversations being made public. I totally understand 902 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,159 the slippery slope that travels, uh, but this is an unsettling pattern of 903 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:51,760 if you don't want call behavior things that have said, I'm just say, 904 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,880 you know, and I think you know you said it with respect to to 905 00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:59,400 John Morant, like redemption is a thing. Everybody makes, mistakes, gets, 906 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,760 should get and chances, you know, as long as just we should 907 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,480 operate with that attitude. But at one point are we going to stop accepting 908 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:14,679 the explanation of that's not really who I am when someone is describing something they 909 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,880 said in private that they thought would never be discovered by the world at large, 910 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:27,320 and then instead and then instead accepting a prepared statement that they're giving because 911 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,119 they know they fucked up, as like that's you know what, Actually who 912 00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:35,079 I am is this, and here's the press release about it, as opposed 913 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,199 to this unguarded moment I had with a close with someone close to me, 914 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,519 Like, you're gonna have to do a lot of work to convince me that, 915 00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,639 like the press releases who you really are as opposed to the private conversation, 916 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,559 Like that's just not like that on its face is so such an absurd 917 00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:54,119 thing to try to convince people of that, Like that's what really bumps me 918 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:58,480 on things like this. I'm not just singling this out, but it happens 919 00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,320 all the time. Oh, this was reflective of who I am as a 920 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,119 person, and I'm going to work to make changes. Like the second part's 921 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,280 good, but you're not having to work to make changes unless this is in 922 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,519 fact who you are. Like, it's just it's hard. It's hard for 923 00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,639 me to swallow that part of it. I guess. Really the only commentary 924 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,119 of prepared to give on this is probably the response to stephen A. Smith, 925 00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:20,480 where it's saying no, just because Amy Edwards has money and was Party 926 00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:23,119 two the conception of this unborn child, that doesn't give him the right. 927 00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,599 And I'm not saying this is what he did, but like, you don't 928 00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:30,039 get to demand someone gets an abortion. That is the opposite of pro choice 929 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:35,599 FYI. But again I thought I didn't want to be the podcast that skipped 930 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,960 over it. Yeah, you know, you're right, we have. We 931 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,159 had to talk about it. I feel good we handled it well. I 932 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:44,119 think, don't please don't. That's who we really are, d we handled 933 00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:50,360 it well. From moving on to the We're onto the New Orleans Pelicans. 934 00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:53,039 They announced on December twelfth that Matt Ryan underwent surgery to remove loose bodies and 935 00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:55,920 his right elbow will be sidelined for approximately six to eight weeks. He has 936 00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,480 not played since November eighteenth, and the early laryn ns junior is expected to 937 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:05,440 return from aggravating his right rib fracture is December thirty first. He has not 938 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,119 played since November twenty seventh. The only thing I'll say like that I really 939 01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:13,639 have to add to this is they kind of need to I think Pelican says 940 01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:17,079 need to stop pretending like they have the answer up front, like the secondary 941 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:22,239 upfront rotation in Lyron Nt Junior, because he's just not available enough to be 942 01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:25,159 that answer. He unlock so much of what we can do. Yes in 943 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,920 theory, in practice he has not done that. Yeah, so would like 944 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,679 Hakim Olajuan if you could, if he were available for you. Do you 945 01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:37,960 know who else would? Who's that? I'll give you a guess. Is 946 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,039 it Chris? It's Chris Busche. I don't know if you saw on discord, 947 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,000 Mike Kernishon said he thinks that I like hacked two K because they proposed 948 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,840 a Chris Bouchet for Jayshon Tait in second round picks trade, which I did 949 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,960 see that congratulating after the type of deal I would propose. More injury news 950 01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:59,559 unfortunately for the New York Knicks or I guess updates on particular injury. Mitchell 951 01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:02,119 Robinson underwent surgery on his left ankle. We knew that he reevaluated eight ten 952 01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:06,440 weeks. In fact, he is not expected to return this season. The 953 01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,199 Knicks applied for a seven point eight million dollars hardship exception. You can use 954 01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:12,679 that to sign or trade for a player on a one year deal. Big 955 01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:17,719 bummer, you know, Isaiah Hardenstein, we were talking offline. Looks like 956 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,920 he's you know, we love that signing from the jump, Hardenstein, this 957 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,679 is a big against the Nets, by the way too. Jeez, yeah, 958 01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:30,159 I don't. I haven't seen any further reporting that it was serious. 959 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,480 But he got get like whacked in the face or something. I can't even 960 01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:35,320 say. I was watching the game. I was like, you got to 961 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,159 be Kidney, And of course in that moment, I was like, oh, 962 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,760 Tims is actually going to be forced to play Julius at center, and 963 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,760 no Todd Gibson checked. No Tod Gibson got fourth quarter minutes. Speaking of 964 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,079 so, Tod Gibson's signed by the Knicks at age thirty eight to a non 965 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,840 guaranteed deal. He's played in three games so far. Jericho Sims sprained his 966 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,400 ankle on Monday night as well against the Lakers. So if you are a 967 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,599 center for the Knicks. He's going to be out a couple of weeks too. 968 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,599 Sam Stay confirmed out there the Knicks applying for a So I haven't I 969 01:02:02,639 --> 01:02:08,719 have maybe a spicy take, let's hear it. Losing Mitchell Robinson is gonna 970 01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:13,559 be not a net positive. It's bad, and he was having a great 971 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,440 season. I think Hartenstein is better for them on offense, and so the 972 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,079 fact that he he's not necessarily gonna be starting, although with Jericho Simms out 973 01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,960 like that's gonna change obviously, the way they go about their rotation. Him 974 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,199 playing more minutes I think opens up their offense and ways that Mitchell Robinson is 975 01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,360 just never like going to do for you, and so if you can get 976 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,800 enough defense. He's been a fantastic rim protector this year. Someone said this 977 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,239 in discord, I think goes everything Blacks I had said. The Knicks have 978 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,880 a lot of interesting decisions to make this summer because Jalen Brunson is extension eligible. 979 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,519 Julius Randall is too. By the way, there's a non zero chance 980 01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:49,679 both of them are all NBA players. I know the absence of positions probably 981 01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,599 hurts Randall, but like the way he's been playing, and like, because 982 01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:57,480 of the games played threshold, there's a real chance that makes a third All 983 01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,679 NBA team, And that's like, that's gonna make a lot of people uncomfortable. 984 01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:02,800 But Julius Randall has been that valuable to the Knicks. So you have 985 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,880 that looming. Hartenstein's a free agent, Emmanuel quickly is entering unrestricted free agency. 986 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,760 Excuse me, so like you have all of this, that's just a 987 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,480 fascinating subpot. But I mentioned I wonder what Hartenstein gets. I know, 988 01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:20,039 non star Biggs, they tend to get repress in the market and everything Blacks 989 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,800 and Discord. He had to see that Yaka Perl contract. It was licking 990 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,119 his lips. That made me laugh. So I don't think it's gonna make 991 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:30,480 the Nicks better. I think it might make them more. They'll be like 992 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,079 a nice diversification in the way they're able to play offense. But they have 993 01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,320 that they apply for a hardship exception, which would be worth seven point nine 994 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,440 million dollars if granted. They can use that to sign a player for the 995 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,800 rest of the season or to trade for a player on an expiring contract. 996 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:47,719 I don't know if any bigs spring to mind for you immediately. But that 997 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,639 is something they could investigate, and they also do have if they want it 998 01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:54,000 to go. I don't. I wouldn't want to use this trade chip on 999 01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:58,599 a center, but the Evan Fournier expiring deal can get you a more expensive 1000 01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,119 center if that's what you're in the market for. Yeah, I mean, 1001 01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:05,039 like, I just keep every time a team is looking for a third big 1002 01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:09,800 I just like Bismack Biambo was doing nothing till the Grizzlies went and got him, 1003 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,360 and he's been pretty good. So let's just you know, you don't 1004 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,159 need to you don't need to give up a bunch of assets for a stopgap 1005 01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:17,280 guy like that. They're out there, They're they're in THEO. Was like, 1006 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,840 they only would need a stop gap. Call the Hornets. The Hornets 1007 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,760 just manufacture these like old school bigs all over the place. Bring me j 1008 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,159 T. Thor. I don't thinkis would play him, but bring me j 1009 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:33,039 T. Thor. You've got the Thunder. Oh yeah, that's right, 1010 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:38,400 because you had the Knicks, uh the Oklahoma See Thunder. They are expected 1011 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,639 to be in the mix for lowry marketing if he becomes available. Per Yahoo's 1012 01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,840 Jake Fisher, They've also been linked to Isaiah Stewart according to the Athletics James 1013 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,239 Edwards, as we mentioned already, also per Jake Fisher, Josh Giddy emerges 1014 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:54,320 a popular trade target before the social media accusations that Giddy had an improper relationship 1015 01:04:54,559 --> 01:05:00,280 with a minor. We have not seen further reporting on the in a opiate 1016 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,880 relationship with a minor situation, so we're not going to comment further on that. 1017 01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,599 The Thunder should absolutely be getting rid of this kid. I just don't 1018 01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:10,719 see the path to this has nothing to do well, maybe it is coloring 1019 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,440 my judgment of this. We've seen him play better like he's not a part 1020 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,599 of their best units. At the moment, their offense with their best five 1021 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,719 guys in the court can struggle at points. There was a tweet too that 1022 01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:23,920 said Josh Gitty is the highest usage rate in that lineup with the starting five. 1023 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,639 That is not okay if that's I didn't even have tire of double check 1024 01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:30,599 that because I was just so flabbergasted from him. Well, that's an interesting 1025 01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,000 name to watch. I'd be curious if teams are going to trade for him, 1026 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,400 and it's always tough to trade for these guys who are still on their 1027 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:42,519 rookie scales. But Larry Marketing, okay, see inject that into my veins. 1028 01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:45,280 I always talked about them getting hefed up front, but like he like 1029 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,199 if Josh Gitty is no longer a part of the team, as part of 1030 01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:54,039 that equation man Lou Dort, Shay gild Alexander j dub Chet Holgan and Larry 1031 01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:58,320 market In. How many titles is that team with five sick over under? 1032 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,719 Yeah? Six and a half? No, yeah, that that'd be a 1033 01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:05,440 fun trade because it's just like, so we got forty seven first rounders Jazz, 1034 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,400 like, how many do you want? And then the Jazz day, 1035 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,639 Well, we also have forty seven, so like, can we get like 1036 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,760 naming rights on your arena instead because we don't need anymore first although well I 1037 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,760 forget where other reporting was, but five ish picks for Larry Markin and was 1038 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:28,920 gonna happen with the Jazz. It's just ridiculous, Orlando Magic moving to a 1039 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,679 former Jazz player. Joe Ingles is dealing with the spring left ankle. He's 1040 01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:34,400 day to day. Markel Fults will miss his eighteenth straight game on Wednesday with 1041 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:39,880 left knee tendonitis I mean, well, let's we'll get through this and then 1042 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,480 we should talk about Folts a little bit. After missing twenty games with the 1043 01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:45,760 fracture of the third metacarpal and his left non shooting hand. Wendel Carter Junior 1044 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,559 is not listed on Orlando's injury report for Wednesday against Wednesday's game against Miami, 1045 01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:55,960 we can talk about so markl Foltz, like coming into the season was going 1046 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,559 to start at point right, Like that was just that's what it was. 1047 01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:02,840 And he just hasn't played and Suggs and I mean, like it's been nice 1048 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,280 to get a little bit more Anthony Black exposure than we otherwise would have gotten. 1049 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,519 But like, does Fults does a healthy Folts, Like how much does 1050 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,599 he change for Orlando? Or is are we past the point of like where 1051 01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:16,760 you sort of Orlando even needs what he provides. He doesn't. I just 1052 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,800 don't know what his role is anymore with this team. I think they could 1053 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,519 use the on ball decision making, but it's not going to open up their 1054 01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:28,519 half court offense anymore. And we've seen a couple times, you know, 1055 01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:30,239 in losses. They did lose to the Heat. During Wendo Carter Junior's return, 1056 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,679 they lost the Celtics on what was that Sunday? They're actually in the 1057 01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:36,719 midst of a three game losing Streakers were recording this. Their offense can just 1058 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,199 look clumpy at points. Mark l Folds is not going to help with that, 1059 01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:45,679 even if you trust his passing his driving. So I'm just very curiously 1060 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:46,880 because he's in the final year of his contract. I don't know if they 1061 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,400 trade him. It's hard to do that when he's injured. But he's also 1062 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,039 good sal a good salary matching tool if you do decide to get in a 1063 01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:59,320 more aggressive sweep stakes. What do you think about Markel Folts to the Wolves 1064 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,119 as a backup point guard because Mike Comley getting hurt is like the only way 1065 01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,360 things go south for the Wolves as far as I can tell, how to 1066 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,519 get to the money for him? Yeah, are they trading Kyle Anderson as 1067 01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:13,360 part of that? Anderson and Joe Ingles on the same team again, I 1068 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:20,680 mean we can dream. I have the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Nicholas Patuma 1069 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,760 missed Wednesday's game against Minnesota with a right hamstring issue. Also, our good 1070 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,439 friend of the podcast and fell a Bleacher reportant employee, Brian to Pork wrote 1071 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,920 an interstring article about but Tum has been so great for the Sixers, but 1072 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,760 he's on an expiring contract and the reports were that he was going to retire 1073 01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:39,640 after the twenty twenty four Olympics. Do you look at moving him since you 1074 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,920 know he's not going to be coming back for someone who might factor into the 1075 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,880 longer term equation. I'm probably just trying to convince him to not retire and 1076 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,279 if I became him a little bit more to make that happen. But thought 1077 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:54,359 that was that's an interesting subplot. Yeah, I mean he you know, 1078 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,239 you look at well, what are the Sixers? We talked last I think 1079 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,119 last week, and I've been thinking a lot about it, like, how 1080 01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:03,000 do they thread this needle of getting somebody that can really help them this year 1081 01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:08,880 without either, you know, almost definitely having to allocate some of their fifty 1082 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,119 five million plus in cap space to resigning that person next year, or how 1083 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,960 do you not give up assets? Basically, the way you the Sixers could 1084 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,239 do this is you just retrade Batoomb and Covington and Morris and Picks, and 1085 01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,279 then that's how you get someone and hope that they don't compromise your cap space, 1086 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,840 like trading Batoom is the way you would do that. But if he's 1087 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,079 playing so well, like, I don't know, just yeah, I kind 1088 01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:30,079 of agree, just see if you can stick around and come back for cheaper 1089 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,439 I got the Phoenix Suns two games, just barely. Two games in his 1090 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,600 return from back issues. Bradley Beal sprained his right ankle and that's going to 1091 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:44,159 sideline him through at least the beginning of next year, meaning twenty twenty four, 1092 01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,279 not the next NBA season, although the right things are going, who 1093 01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:50,600 knows. He's played a total of twenty four minutes with Devin Booker and Kevin 1094 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:55,640 Durant this season. Josha Koge, a smaller note, has miss four straight 1095 01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,159 games with a hip issue. The Beal thing, like I guess, I 1096 01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:03,960 guess his health track record was part of the reason that it was, like 1097 01:10:04,039 --> 01:10:09,039 in addition to the contract and the cost of getting him made it off. 1098 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,039 But like talk about this in the time of the trade, I guess maybe 1099 01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:15,840 it could have been. But I remember him dealing with a bunch of back 1100 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,039 stuff, and if he was on a better team, I feel like he 1101 01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:21,600 probably would have played more towards the tail end of those previous seasons, maybe 1102 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:27,239 so, But I just think like this is, I mean, this is 1103 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,479 on the way, you know, negative or bad end of the spectrum of 1104 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,039 possible outcomes for him so far. But like I do, the injury stuff 1105 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:41,760 was legitimate. It wasn't the main reason that the contract was viewed as so 1106 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,479 bad. It was that, like, Beal has never been anything more than 1107 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,920 like the second best player on a team that could maybe win a playoff series. 1108 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,920 And he's not that guy anymore. Why is he getting you know, 1109 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,840 maxed out with the only no trade clause and existence and all that stuff. 1110 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,640 This is just a bummer because the Sons have quietly been kind of disappointing. 1111 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,359 What are they now? They've they're currently tenth in the West fourteen and thirteen 1112 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,279 and again twenty four minutes of all three of those guys together like this, 1113 01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:12,640 this is, this is to draw a distinction. This The Suns are not 1114 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,039 a wake me up in the second round situation like Denver, even though it's 1115 01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,119 tempting to do that with their top three, I'm I can't, I can't 1116 01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:21,880 put them in that same level. I do agree because it does feel like 1117 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:26,680 you have points. Devin Booker and Kevin Durant have sort of checked out defensively 1118 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,159 a lot of the time, and but when you do kind of dig into 1119 01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:34,680 their lineup data, when you start building like the three man four man combinations, 1120 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,840 it's very easy to find a bunch of units that are net plus. 1121 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,199 And it's just like if Beal is healthy, if they are healthy, they 1122 01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:43,960 will absolutely be there. And so I'm not it's not wake me up in 1123 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,039 the second round, but it's just if you're gonna tell me those three players 1124 01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:51,359 are available in late April, I am not too concerned about this team, 1125 01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:55,319 but we're at the point where it's something to monitor and you're almost operating like 1126 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,720 we're waiting for the shoot to drop with Kevin Durant, because there's always been 1127 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,279 something every season ever since he injured det Achilles and Booker too. Booker is 1128 01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:09,319 like a fifty some odd game you know, sixt out earlier. Though that's 1129 01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:13,720 good some of them. Yeah. The Durant thing is that is exactly right 1130 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,000 way to frame it though, just waiting for the knee spray in the ankle 1131 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,520 sprain and the whatever that always sidelines him for a chunk of the season. 1132 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:25,399 The Portland trail Blazer is only one what I deem notable thing on them comes 1133 01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:30,560 from Danny Mrangue of the Jack Ramby's podcast. The Blazers apparently have zero interest 1134 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,439 in trading Jeremy Grant because they're happy with his production, with what he's like 1135 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:39,159 in his role. I call I very much like Danny, I call organizational 1136 01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:43,880 bullshit speak on that. There's just that team is. They're not overrun with 1137 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,520 veterans. But you need to get to a point where you can't be both 1138 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,920 bad and then playing your veterans. And that's what the Blazers are right now. 1139 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,760 They've had some frisky games, but the other night where it's Malcolm Brogden 1140 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,239 playing the entire fourth quarter, and it's just, yeah, okay, if 1141 01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:00,279 you're trying to beat the Warriors, which I guess they were, are you 1142 01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,039 lost. It'll be different if you were winning games. But they will absolutely 1143 01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:06,239 move Jeremy Grant, and I don't know if they'll do it this deadline. 1144 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:11,119 Put zero interest in moving him. No, yes, zero. I would 1145 01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:15,720 say Portland should have at the very minimum some interest. A zero's not kind 1146 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,960 for me. Maybe a lot we don't even need this, A lot you 1147 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,319 should have some You should have a modicum of it. I will say it 1148 01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:25,760 does feel like it's more pressing just because of what it does to Shadon Sharp's 1149 01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:30,359 shot attempts and roll in the offense and then Scoot Henderson's minutes. Apparently they 1150 01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:32,520 need to move Broggeden because it's clear they're not gonna just not play him if 1151 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:38,199 he's available. And I'm a very big believer in yeah, you want veterans 1152 01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:41,399 can help. They can streamline the development of certain players. But when it's 1153 01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:45,600 going to start to infringe upon the development of those players, it becomes an 1154 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,000 issue. Right, Sacramento Kings, and you tease this earlier, Zach Lavine 1155 01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:53,239 would be interested in joining the Kings via trade. According to the athletic sam 1156 01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:56,840 Amok, Kings might have interest if the price is right. Amick also adds 1157 01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,600 a Sacramento used the price of getting siakamoor anenobe as too exorbitant, So I 1158 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,359 mean, reading between the lines there, it sure seems like the price for 1159 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,760 Levine's not gonna be that high relatively speaking, which is kind of wild because 1160 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,800 both of those guys can be free agents. Those Toronto guys. What do 1161 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,960 you make of Zach Levine to the Kings feels a little bit like, uh, 1162 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:23,399 just let's continue to not give any attention to the defensive end and just 1163 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,640 upgrade the Kevin Herder spot with the guy that's kind of like Kevin Herder, 1164 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,439 accept like fifty percent better at everything that that's a weird fit to me, 1165 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,319 don't I think if you do look at the roster, they could use kind 1166 01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:41,119 of that another outside shot creator where you're gonna get either Kevin Herder wants to 1167 01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:43,439 work off the ball or him in the league monk, or gonna want to 1168 01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,319 get going towards the basket a little bit more. I'd rather bet on Keegan 1169 01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:51,079 Murray continuing to turn into that player on offense rather than give up assets to 1170 01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:56,880 get Zach Colvine, and just it ignores your need for wing defense. And 1171 01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,000 I saw Kings fans, I remember what they were responding to, and don't 1172 01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,199 necessarily I don't like throwing shade at people. It was clear that what they 1173 01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:05,880 wrote was just not accurate. They were talking about Davion Mitchell as the bat 1174 01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:11,520 like Davey I much just hasn't played meaningful minutes in forever, but like Kim 1175 01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,239 Murray's not an elite wing defender, Kia Murray's developed into a very good, 1176 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,439 very serviceable wing defender. Daron Fox has also been very good on defense. 1177 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,640 Sacramento's defense overall is not good, even though they've had some really good performances, 1178 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,920 and I'm not concerned about their offense despite it not ranking inside the top 1179 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,680 five. They're in the top ten comfortably since Daron Fox came back, and 1180 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,640 that's bringing to right ankle. I understand that you might want a different type 1181 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,000 of shot creator. Like I said, my issue with that maybe the price 1182 01:15:36,039 --> 01:15:40,680 on Zack Lvine, Like if it would he just salary it's Barnes and Kevin 1183 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,880 Herder type deal and whatever else you need to get there, I'd consider it. 1184 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,000 That's where it's like, Okay, that gets a little interesting. But 1185 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,279 and it's I'm not saying it would cost them Kegan, but you're gonna have 1186 01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:54,840 to think of stuff for Zack Lvin that then will preclude you from giving up 1187 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,640 that stuff to address what are bigger needs on your roster. And that's why 1188 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,600 I'm I'm not doing it. Like what is this has been a confusing thing 1189 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,920 for me. What is the goal for the Kings? Because I think among 1190 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,399 Kings fans a lot of is like, let's make the playoffs again, and 1191 01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:13,399 we're good. The organization has been talking and more in terms of like that 1192 01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,319 we would agree with, which is like, let's step up, let's get 1193 01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:18,880 better, let's chase like a high prize and not just try to make the 1194 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:26,439 playoffs again. How far are you going with zach Lavine and Demonisabonis as two 1195 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,079 guys on the floor and like playoff series defensively, because to me, that's 1196 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:33,840 just like, look, when you have an elite wing defender like Murray, 1197 01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:39,479 I will not I will not join you in speaking ill of Keegan Murray because 1198 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,399 I know it's not. You know, he's he was better on defense for 1199 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,800 most of the season than he was on offense going in. That's why I'm 1200 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,199 saying, like I'm not, it's not they don't have zach Lavine at home, 1201 01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:51,439 but I want to see we saw it in Summer League. Like give 1202 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,199 Keegan Murray's gonna have more on ball reps. His time goes on. I 1203 01:16:55,199 --> 01:17:00,520 don't need zach I'd rather especially with the zach Lavine contract. So I I 1204 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:05,119 understand the theory behind zach Lavine, but the reality of having to get him 1205 01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:10,239 is going to come at an opportunity cost. That is then going to inhibit 1206 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,600 your team building process. And that's that's when people who are saying, and 1207 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,520 I don't buy this, I think it's bullshit that the Sacramento Kings are better 1208 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,279 off with the Domos a Bonis. If you believe that Domas a Bonis can't 1209 01:17:21,319 --> 01:17:26,640 be the second best player on a title team. That is different from saying 1210 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,880 that the Kings are better off without Domas a Bonis. Yeah, even I 1211 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,720 would not say they're better off without him. I would say they're better, 1212 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:39,680 They're they're better off not paying him like a max player. But but like, 1213 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,399 no, there, I mean, obviously he's a great offensive player, 1214 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,279 you know, put in all the asterisks and say for the regular season and 1215 01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:49,840 all this other stuff, but like he's objectively just a really valuable piece, 1216 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,560 Like they're not better without him. But it's like, it's funny. Did 1217 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,159 you see what dearon Fox said on Twitter where someone was saying, well, 1218 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,439 why would why wouldn't they be better off off with Domas a Bonas His stats 1219 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,279 have been the same for like three years, And then darreon box Quo tweeted 1220 01:18:03,319 --> 01:18:08,800 and said, oh, consistency is the new like bad like attribute in the 1221 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,359 NBA. We don't need consistency. No, yeah, we've we've I have 1222 01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,079 definitely said enough about the Kings and Sibonis. We are on the Anonobe team, 1223 01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:18,640 though, I just before we move on, the Kings are my Ananobe 1224 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,479 team. Make that happen. So but the so this is actually so, 1225 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,000 we'll get to that with the Raptors because there's something mentioned in there I believe 1226 01:18:27,039 --> 01:18:30,560 about that. We'll move on to the San Antonio Spurs, who, as 1227 01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,920 we were recording this, have still not started Trey Jones in case anyone's been 1228 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,319 tracking that like like I have, but only one note on them. Victor 1229 01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:41,560 wim Yama miss Tuesday's game against the Bucks with right ankle soortness. All word 1230 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,000 is that he will be fine. Back to Ananobe Slash Raptors talk, Toronto's 1231 01:18:45,039 --> 01:18:48,840 expected to see Keegan Murray in exchange Forandoonoby per Yea, who's Jake Fisher. 1232 01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:54,359 Sacramento has thus far proven unwilling to trade Keegan Murray to any of to any 1233 01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:57,319 of the teams they've or for any of the players they've been linked to. 1234 01:18:57,359 --> 01:19:01,600 Per Jason Anderson and the Sacramento b player. Oh sorry, I thought you 1235 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,600 were done, you know, I just I was gonna throw the There's expected 1236 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,479 to be a robust market for Siakam ahead of the trade deadline. According to 1237 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,319 the Sports Nets Michael Grange, who is the player that you would trade? 1238 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,760 Who is the player you would trade Keegan Murray for? If you're the Kings. 1239 01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:20,279 If I'm the Kings, I'm honestly asking, like, what would I 1240 01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:24,600 would trade Keegan Murray for og and and Obi if I were the Kings? 1241 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,279 Like that's that is? That is okay? Are you? Are you including 1242 01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:30,960 anything with that? Well, you got to get there with them, you 1243 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,439 gotta, yes. But if it's Kean Murray, I mean, if it's 1244 01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,520 Kegan Murray and Harrison Barnes, you're kind of decimating your forward rotation at that 1245 01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:40,119 point. But I just I think, I mean, I think I really 1246 01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:44,760 like Keegan Murray. I think his defensive growth is legitimate. I think he 1247 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,199 has the capacity to be He just proved it he eleven threes in a row 1248 01:19:47,319 --> 01:19:53,359 or whatever it was. He's also an older prospect, so like, yeah, 1249 01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:57,800 he's getting better, but the ramp towards his peak is like he's closer 1250 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,680 to that than you would, you know, say, someone who's nineteen or 1251 01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:06,439 twenty is I just I think Anonobe is like, Okay, how good does 1252 01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,920 Keegan Murray have to get defensively before we don't laugh at comparing him to Anonobe. 1253 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,880 Right, Like Anonobe is just practically a one of one defensively, he 1254 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,079 he might be the best all around individual defender in the league. He can 1255 01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:24,640 guard five positions. Like, that's just there's a reason we've probably said his 1256 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:29,399 name, I don't know, twenty five times an episode for like six months 1257 01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:32,039 in a row. Basically like he's just we're probably you know what, We're 1258 01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:38,920 probably too high on Anonobe. But I still think if if it's Murry and 1259 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,239 not too reed me, I don't know, I'm trading Murray for Anonobe. 1260 01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:46,600 Sorry, I just that's not a hard decision for me. And Anaobe said 1261 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,960 he'd resign, Sure, I probably would. I don't know if I'm including 1262 01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:56,119 anything else other than I we get there to the money, So you have 1263 01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,520 Davion Mitchell, you include his money with Keegan Murray, and then you actually 1264 01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,039 actually might almost be there because of how cheap Anaanobe is. Well, here's 1265 01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:06,159 the thing that, like does Toronto even think about that? Because I feel 1266 01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:13,319 that's whatever for Anonob. So I'm just operated on thessumption if I was trying 1267 01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:15,359 to I wouldn't move Ananobe. It would take an offer a bull me over, 1268 01:21:15,399 --> 01:21:18,119 because yes, you have to pay him, But if you're eventually gonna 1269 01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:21,039 move Seakham, or let him walk because that's what the Raptors do. Apparently, 1270 01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:25,880 he just makes so much more sense next to Barnes. So even if 1271 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,439 you want to start over, trade Shruder, trade Perl, trade Siakham, 1272 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,760 let GTJ walk, or trade him and then like rebuild around Barnes and Anenobi, 1273 01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:36,680 the counterpoint to that is just he could then leave in free agency because 1274 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:42,800 he's on a restricted free agent What is the team that that ken and will 1275 01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:45,760 give up enough to get Anenobe? Because I don't think the Kings are the 1276 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,319 Ananobe team. Where if I asked you, what's the team you put og 1277 01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:55,840 Ananobe on and they are immediately in the inner circle of title contention, that 1278 01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,800 isn't already there, and I think it's probably between the Pelicans and the Kings. 1279 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,680 Maybe would you say Philly. Philly was the first team that came to 1280 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:10,479 mind, but I was hesitant to say they're not already like pretty close to 1281 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:15,399 the contenders circle, but like they are in it if he's on that team. 1282 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,840 You mean that that that that's that's a no brainer for me. What 1283 01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,960 about the thunder or do you not like him there? No? I like, 1284 01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,039 if you just take out Giddy and put it at an Obi, I 1285 01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:29,520 mean what we already were already like fantasized about market in there instead of Giddy, 1286 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,279 like I would also, I think Anonobe might actually, well, I 1287 01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:39,199 don't know market and is shooting in volumes marketing better there for his they have, 1288 01:22:39,359 --> 01:22:43,439 I feel like they probably have enough defense. Their defense would be so 1289 01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,079 it's already good, but it would be so good. Like Anonoby door Shay 1290 01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:48,680 is like quietly one of the best defensive guards in the league. Now, 1291 01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,159 chet Holmgren is one of the best defensive gigs in the league. Like they 1292 01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:57,199 just I mean, and it's not like anonob takes anything off the table offensively. 1293 01:22:57,279 --> 01:23:00,399 He just can't dribble or pass. But he's gonna make open threes. 1294 01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,880 That's all you need from him. So we have OKC New Orleans, Sacramento 1295 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,439 will throw Philly in there, because I think it's fair to say it feels 1296 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:10,920 like they need not a third star, but another player anybody else that what 1297 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:16,039 about an honest question, would the Knicks without Anobe be there? Ah? 1298 01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:20,000 Man, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure that gets them 1299 01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:24,359 all the way there. Although, like how much how different are they from 1300 01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:28,680 like the Philly tier of the of things that are just like just below the 1301 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,199 Milwaukee Boston of what I guess I have to say They're not quite there, 1302 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:36,399 but it might be pretty close if I'd probably feel better about it if you 1303 01:23:36,399 --> 01:23:40,359 could tell me that they would play Randall at the five with Annobe at the 1304 01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:43,119 four. Who then is your five on defense guards? Fives? Yeah? 1305 01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:48,000 Yeah, the other team that is currently just slipping through my mind right, 1306 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,239 oh Miami, m I feel like that could be they might need more offensive 1307 01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:57,279 creation. Then he provides that, but like, I don't know, you're 1308 01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:01,279 keeping Lowry or Tyler hero in that equation. You're probably fine, Cleveland, 1309 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,760 just upgrade the Max Strue spot. Although how do you get how do you 1310 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:10,640 get like you would have to give up Donovan Mitchell for the imagine they were 1311 01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,880 just like, no, fuck it, we'll trade injured Devan Mobley, the 1312 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:17,640 Raptors will tank. Oh man, what I mean, what are the odds 1313 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,640 Cleveland trades mobile? That might be a zero interest Yeah, what is there 1314 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:27,640 a number that's less than zero? Let's see you got the Jazz. I 1315 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,000 think yes, we're onto the Jazz. Keante George missed his fourth straight game 1316 01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:34,640 on Wednesday with a sore left foot. Jordan Clarkson could return on December twenty 1317 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:40,640 eight from a right thigh strain that assigned lined him since December eleventh. Jordan 1318 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,199 Clarson is available in the right package, the right deal, per Bleacher Reports 1319 01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:46,640 Chris Haynes. John Collins is already back on the trade block according to Andy 1320 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,439 Larson of the Salt Lake Tribune, and according to Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer, 1321 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:54,479 the Jazz would be willing to move lowry market in for a return comparable 1322 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,680 to that of the Ruby Go Bear trade that's five ish first or players of 1323 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,119 comparable value of note. Marked In recently said, I really believe in what 1324 01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:05,920 the Jazz are building here. So many questions, the first of which is 1325 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,319 did Danny Ainge and Justice Adach just send out like a mass text and all 1326 01:25:10,359 --> 01:25:15,319 these rumors came out like the Jazz are kind of in they need to consider 1327 01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:18,479 everything mode because I think Larry Martin is a fantastic player. I don't know 1328 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:23,640 where you're going if he is your best player, and does he prevent you 1329 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,960 from getting the person who can be your best player. If you believe that 1330 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,640 can be Walker Kessler or Kiante George, you already have them. But if 1331 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,880 you're looking, and I guess this year's draft stock will be high enough perhaps 1332 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,079 that it's not an issue. But he's coming up on a new deal. 1333 01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:40,199 So if I were the Jazz, I would look at moving market in. 1334 01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:45,119 But it doesn't feel like they're particularly serious because when it was Rudy Gobert, 1335 01:25:45,119 --> 01:25:46,720 they were saying the same stuff, and they were reporting out of Utah that 1336 01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:50,880 here's here. Would be the red flag for me if they said he's untouchable, 1337 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,479 like kind of with the Donovan Mitchell where it's oh, the Jazz aren't 1338 01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,359 ready to trade him. That's what I knew they were probably gonna trade him. 1339 01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,199 So the fact that they're not saying that about Mark In this could be 1340 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:04,000 face value and it only takes one team. Just with him coming up so 1341 01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:06,920 close to the end of his deal. I know he's younger, I know 1342 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,960 he's a more valuable offensive player. You're not getting that much. And also 1343 01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:15,479 just because the past two seasons they look more like outliers compared to the rest 1344 01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:20,000 of his career. They're not clearly, but so I would be fairly surprised. 1345 01:26:20,079 --> 01:26:25,319 But like Man the Thunder, the Heat, like those are probably my 1346 01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,560 two favorite marketing teams. I was gonna ask you one for your thoughts on 1347 01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,399 this, but I saw this cropping up around Nick Twitter said they would really 1348 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:35,840 like him there, and I'm kind of like, if Julius Randall's still there, 1349 01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,279 I know marketing is more of a play finisher, but then you're just 1350 01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:42,920 deciding, oh, he's our wing. Yeah, and so it's just I 1351 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,439 don't I just I don't love it during the playoffs, even though defin if 1352 01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,479 you were going to go that route, I'd rather see you not mortgage your 1353 01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:53,039 future to the hilt and just get going on Bardanovic for a season and just 1354 01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:56,199 see that kind of what that looks like. Yeah, I'm ready for teams 1355 01:26:56,199 --> 01:27:00,039 to quit trying to play marketing at small forward, which kind of feels like 1356 01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,359 what the Knicks would have to do unless they get it. Also depends on 1357 01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,680 like, maybe you feel better about that of Mitchell Robinson's gonna play again this 1358 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,880 season, which he's not. I guess, like my reaction to the to 1359 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:15,079 the O'Connor and thing is like, one, this is very angy, like 1360 01:27:15,239 --> 01:27:17,439 just it feels like, let's set the market at a ridiculous level and if 1361 01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,560 we get seventy percent of this thing I threw out there, then we still 1362 01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:28,079 win. But like another aspect of this is the same reason the Jazz would 1363 01:27:28,119 --> 01:27:31,920 be willing to move market In is the same the same reason that another team 1364 01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:39,039 will just not offer what is reportedly the expectation from Utah because like I mean, 1365 01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:43,760 you said it, he's not The Jazz cannot really do anything of consequence 1366 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,039 if Marketing is their best player, like second best maybe and paid like a 1367 01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:49,439 second best. Sure, third best. Oh yeah, Like that's now we're 1368 01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:54,079 talking. But other teams around the league I think view him similarly. Nobody's 1369 01:27:54,119 --> 01:27:57,880 saying we need market In, We're willing to give up all this draft capital 1370 01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,600 to get him because he's going to be the cornerstone of our team. Like 1371 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,960 that's just not what he is, you know, which is not a knock, 1372 01:28:05,039 --> 01:28:08,920 Like he's a borderline. Did he make the All Star team last year? 1373 01:28:09,079 --> 01:28:11,680 I mean he's like a board. Yeah, he's he's that level of 1374 01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:15,239 player and not more than that. So you're not getting like, I don't 1375 01:28:15,279 --> 01:28:18,720 know what this is. So the only team that could realistically do it and 1376 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:23,479 would probably just protect all the because they were about like the Thunder could do 1377 01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,960 it and protect the hell out of them. But that might be what you're 1378 01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,600 looking at, because I even thought what would be the most unprotected picks you 1379 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,560 could get for lowry market in I think it's two. It's two, it's 1380 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,760 not three. I just it's not you can't get that high. You can 1381 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:40,439 get two and then a couple like quote unquote first or whatever. Realistically, 1382 01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,479 I thought the most aggressive real offer where you're not talking about, well, 1383 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:48,239 this pick is protected in the next buyers was the Miami Heat sending like salary 1384 01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,960 so whether it's Tyler Hero or it's lowry, and then if it's lowery, 1385 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,880 you need to take more money back. And then would they go to two 1386 01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:59,560 first and two swaps? He was like, seems like a lot. I 1387 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,119 don't so I would probably do it if I'm Miami. I don't know if 1388 01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:04,199 that's enough to get Like, if I'm Utah, I might just want to 1389 01:29:04,199 --> 01:29:06,520 say, Okay, well what's his price point in his next deal? Yeah, 1390 01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,880 because he might just be more valuable to keep around then because we have 1391 01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:14,279 they have so many future first right. I think he's someone I would be 1392 01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:16,880 very much invested in keeping as long as I didn't didn't have to maxim, 1393 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,119 didn't have to treat you know, think I don't know what the number needs 1394 01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:25,159 to be in the new cap environment, but he can't be paid like he's 1395 01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:28,279 the guy, because that's just not that isn't what he is. My hot 1396 01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,000 take, I don't know if it's a hot take, but I think they 1397 01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:32,159 should be trying to trade. They should be buyers, just in the sense 1398 01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:35,319 that I think this would do good things for the players that are around them 1399 01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:40,159 long term. They should be looking for, like not someone to take over 1400 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:43,560 for Kiante George, but another sort of four general type like go just see 1401 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,560 what Charlotte wants for LaMelo. So that's that's rough on Jontay Murray kind of 1402 01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,920 definitely a lower end option there. That's the type of thing I would like. 1403 01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:57,119 Why don't you see what Donovan Mitchell costs from Cleveland. I hear he's 1404 01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,279 available. I was I was gonna swing much much lower and be like, 1405 01:30:00,319 --> 01:30:03,720 well maybe this is if he's healthy than Mark el Folk spot spend it spend 1406 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,920 the rest of the year here being like, you know, just capably running 1407 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,840 the offense, and then he leaves. Go with me on this if they 1408 01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,520 just keep heading down this path, Like what's the future of Steph Curry look 1409 01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:18,279 like with Golden State? I think he's just bound to be in Utah at 1410 01:30:18,279 --> 01:30:23,239 some point. That just seems like the honestly, they be more realistic that 1411 01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:27,520 they should even just like a Delaonn Wright or a Tias Jones. Yeah right, 1412 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,720 Tias Jones is it's already sort of happening. It's gonna be a hot 1413 01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,760 name at the deadline for sure, because I mean, send it back to 1414 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:40,039 Minnesota for that's another one. I forget who I tried to earlier. They 1415 01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:42,359 can get to his money, but it's gonna cost him. Kyle Anderson, 1416 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,079 I might do that. I mean I believe in Nasrid enough and Alexander. 1417 01:30:47,079 --> 01:30:53,239 Would Kyle Anderson shake Milton and seconds? I'm good do it. I don't 1418 01:30:53,239 --> 01:30:56,920 know if the Wizards Washington good, Yeah, I don't think so. Uh, 1419 01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,439 speaking of the Washington Wizards, our last team, Uh, Delon Wright 1420 01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,239 who's missed eighteen straight with the Spring mc Ellen's right, and he is now 1421 01:31:02,319 --> 01:31:05,520 day to day. That's an upgrade. Still kind of a bummer. Landry 1422 01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,560 Shamma could return as early as December twenty first, which is tomorrow as we're 1423 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,720 recording this from bruised Wright rib that has kept him out since December sixth. 1424 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:20,199 Anything to add to this, uh, this fascinating Wizards team very quickly over 1425 01:31:20,319 --> 01:31:26,520 under of one point five of these players still being on the roster after the 1426 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:31,000 trade deadline. Al Kuzma, Jordan Poole, Tias Jones, Delon Wright, 1427 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:36,479 Daniel Gafford one point five. I'll say over because you gave me, like, 1428 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:41,399 what do you give me? Five guys? Six guys? Point Five's 1429 01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:45,760 that's the That's how you know that's a better over under. Uh? I 1430 01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,199 hope it's. I hope it's under that. I hope there's only two of 1431 01:31:48,199 --> 01:31:50,680 these. Two of the guys you mentioned are still one of there's gonna be 1432 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,600 Jordan Poole. I don't know who's trading for him right now. Well, 1433 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,239 yeah, that's so yeah, let's take him off the table. So you 1434 01:31:56,279 --> 01:32:01,479 said Gafford Jones, right, Kuzma, I mean they should trade all those 1435 01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,840 guys. They should. Those guys are gone, right, I hope they 1436 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:10,399 should want Kuzma. If you're Memphis, like and you're trying to make something 1437 01:32:10,399 --> 01:32:13,279 of this season, you should definitely want Kuzma. I don't know if he's 1438 01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:16,560 enough of an upgrade. Defensively, he probably is the Harrison Barnes of this 1439 01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,279 season. But like, if you would include something else and it's not Kigan 1440 01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:24,960 Murray, do you think going from Barnes to Kuzma makes a difference for the 1441 01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:29,720 Kings. I think it makes him a little better. Again, I don't 1442 01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,960 know if he endorsement, Yeah, well that's that's that's how I feel. 1443 01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,600 He the other one I thought of, Well, I've actually thought of a 1444 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:41,239 bunch. You'd be kind of sneaky interesting in Dallas Kuzma, would you mean 1445 01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:46,640 yeah? Interesting? Yeah, I mean I'm not sure. I certainly like 1446 01:32:47,119 --> 01:32:51,039 he would be. Are you worried about how he'll fit in a different offensive 1447 01:32:51,119 --> 01:32:56,680 role. I think I think he would get more defensive attention than Derek Jones, 1448 01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,079 for example, or even probably ExHAM. So if, like as you 1449 01:32:59,119 --> 01:33:01,359 mentioned earlier, if one of the issues is just like let's get somebody out 1450 01:33:01,359 --> 01:33:04,680 there that is going to scare the defense, I think like he you know, 1451 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:08,880 make fun of the bad shots and all that stuff all you want, 1452 01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,319 but like he's gonna get defensive attention in ways that some of the guys Dallas 1453 01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:15,279 has do not. So that's I mean that that that's a I don't know 1454 01:33:15,279 --> 01:33:18,439 what you're giving up to get him, what what Washington would want from Dallas, 1455 01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:23,199 But I think he's he's definitely there's a spot for him to help out 1456 01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:31,560 in there. So I'm gonna put a clock on this. I say, 1457 01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,479 we get to the non Rubik Scal trivia ones that we have, and then 1458 01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:40,439 we'll try to do as many Rubik Scal trivia one and she's had a bunch 1459 01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:44,039 too, I think, both of us before we get out of here. 1460 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,319 How's that sound to you? Works for me? Okay? So, uh, 1461 01:33:47,399 --> 01:33:50,199 do you have any guests of players? I do not have any guests 1462 01:33:50,199 --> 01:33:55,079 of players for you? Okay, So I got one for you from Nikola 1463 01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:59,920 Kolev. Are you ready? I'm ready? Clue number one of five. 1464 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,520 I spent two years in college, after which I was drafted in the NBA. 1465 01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:08,359 During my still active career, I have played competitive games for three teams 1466 01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:14,159 and have been traded three times. Okay, Clue two. A jack of 1467 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:17,039 all trades, master of none, my current coach has called me a utility 1468 01:34:17,079 --> 01:34:21,840 infielder, praising my versatility as a defender, playmaker, and scorer. Hmm, 1469 01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:29,039 that's interesting, okay. Clue three, I led to twenty sixteen FOBA 1470 01:34:29,119 --> 01:34:34,640 America's Under eighteen championship in scoring with seventeen point four points a game. Oh, 1471 01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:40,760 FOBA America's like that? Does that? I don't know what that tells 1472 01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:44,560 me. Clue number four, well, not a numerical highlight. My most 1473 01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:50,359 well known NBA game involved playing against a family member. Is this, Nikhil 1474 01:34:50,399 --> 01:34:58,239 Alexander Walker? Correct? The fifth clue was finally, in this stable situation, 1475 01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,159 I'm carving out an NBA role for myself, but I'm not nearly a 1476 01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:03,159 successful as my cousin, who's already been named to an All NBA first team. 1477 01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:06,359 So you were, yeah, kind of the same as the previous clue. 1478 01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,239 Yeah, FEBA Americas is tricky because it's like, well, that could 1479 01:35:10,279 --> 01:35:12,920 be Canada, which in fact it was. But all right, all right, 1480 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,960 that's a good one. Be rich. Are you ready for be riches? 1481 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,840 Do you need to put on your be rich hat? Yeah? Let 1482 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:23,520 me again climb into the mind of a psychopath. I'm ready Clue number one, 1483 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,840 also a five. I was the fourth pick in a late nineties draft. 1484 01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:30,920 After starting almost every game for four seasons, my poorly run team let 1485 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:38,239 me leave in free agency. Fourth pick in a late nineties draft. All 1486 01:35:38,319 --> 01:35:42,199 right, Clue two. I made the All Rookie team, then won sixth 1487 01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:45,159 Man of the Year. Eleven years later. In between, I won two 1488 01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:53,079 NBA titles. Whoa fourth pick, sixth Man of the year, two titles. 1489 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,880 All right, Clue three, just because Grant hates these the three most 1490 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,399 similar players to me into Basketball Reference there David Lee, Sharif Abdul Raheem, 1491 01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,359 and Larry Johnson. Three legends. All right, so we got a it's 1492 01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:11,000 like a power for so a big guy that won six Man of the Year, 1493 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,439 that was the number four pick in the I should have it, by 1494 01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:16,800 the with the number four pick from the late nineties, I don't have it, 1495 01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:21,479 though. Clue four. I averaged thirteen point three points, six and 1496 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,520 a half rebounds, and three point seven assists for my career. My best 1497 01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,079 statistical career was in two thousand and three two thousand and four, after which 1498 01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:31,920 my team cashed me in with two other rotation players in a first round pick 1499 01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,560 for a Hall of Fame center. Whoa, there was a lot to digest 1500 01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:42,640 there, Give me that one more time. I averaged thirteen point three points, 1501 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,920 six and a half rebounds, and three point seven assists for my career. 1502 01:36:45,359 --> 01:36:50,439 My best statistical season was in three to four, after which my team 1503 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:55,399 traded me with two other rotation players in a first round pick for a Hall 1504 01:36:55,439 --> 01:37:00,000 of Fame center. Man, these are all so vague. I'm actually surprised 1505 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,680 you didn't get it on that clue. Really, you know, really really, 1506 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:10,680 but really though, are you really no? Really traded me with two 1507 01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:16,960 rotation players and a first you said for a Hall of Fame center. Correct? 1508 01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,359 The sixth Man of the Year thing has really got me hung up on 1509 01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:25,079 it. Do you want the final clue? Yeah, give me the final 1510 01:37:25,159 --> 01:37:30,159 clue. I'm left handed and love Candy. I'm left handed and love candy. 1511 01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:35,439 Oh boy, you're gonna rip your hair out if you don't get this. 1512 01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:42,880 I'm left handed and I love Why is that such a why? Why 1513 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,840 is that supposed to be the clue? That just well, based off all 1514 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,880 the other clues, this should have been to giveaway how loving candy and being 1515 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:56,079 left handed? There was a so I'll add to it. Okay, I'm 1516 01:37:56,119 --> 01:38:00,199 trying to think whether I should start naming players that they would be associate. 1517 01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,439 Well, there was a document well there was a video documentary made about this 1518 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:11,840 player's love for candy, love for the only thing. So when you say 1519 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,800 a player that loves candy, I think of Dwight Howard because he liket. 1520 01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:17,880 Remember there was like he had skittles, like in a bedside table that he 1521 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:23,039 would just like, wake up and eat. Yeah, who the hell else 1522 01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:27,840 loves candy? It was not Dwight Howard in case that I guess he's not 1523 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:32,399 left handed. Was not the number four pick in a late nineties draft. 1524 01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:38,359 Also, oh man, I don't have it. I don't have it. 1525 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:46,600 I'm just gonna start naming players, all right. Brian Grant, Okay, 1526 01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:51,760 that's a player who I am. Garius Miles, Okay, I also know 1527 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:59,479 him. Corny mcghetty. Okay, these are all duke. No, why 1528 01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:05,239 why are you naming these Guysqui O'Neal, I have nothing. These are just 1529 01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:11,279 names you're saying. The answer is lamar odom. Why are you saying Brian 1530 01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:15,520 Grant? Wasn't Brian Grant part of the Shaquille O'Neal trade. Clearly I have 1531 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,640 no idea. Yeah, maybe he was from the the heat. Great, 1532 01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,079 Now I have to go check that to check my memory on the transactions from 1533 01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:25,960 like eighty years ago. Okay, so now I'm piecing it together. The 1534 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,479 number four pick in a late Narin and he's Draft six Man of the Year. 1535 01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,359 Yes it was Karan Butler, Brian Grant, lamar odom, a two 1536 01:39:32,399 --> 01:39:38,079 thousand and six first round pick which became Jordan Farmar and a seven second round 1537 01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:43,039 pick which pocad Rinaldis, a Buddhist shout out to me for remembering Brian Grant, 1538 01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:45,720 came on. That's impressive. You know what this this tells me. 1539 01:39:46,119 --> 01:39:50,079 These were just bad clues because I should have got I should have got I 1540 01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:54,920 refused to accept responsibility. Now let's see, So you thought I should have 1541 01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:59,520 got it on the trade thing because he was traded with two rotation players for 1542 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:01,319 a few a Hall of Fame excepter, hearing that he won six Men of 1543 01:40:01,359 --> 01:40:05,720 the Year and two NBA titles and then was traded for a I was gonna 1544 01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:09,319 say, Kardashians, what I thought that would have been a dead giveaway, 1545 01:40:09,399 --> 01:40:12,520 that would have got it. Yeah, I might have guess Tristan Thompson first, 1546 01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,560 but probably not. All right, well noted six men of the Years. 1547 01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:21,800 Yeah, I've defeated. I feel defeated. I'm sure Bill is ecstatic. 1548 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:26,640 Congratulations you got me, had a bunch more from Mike Kurnishing, but 1549 01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,479 you did not give me access to the document that you said, So we 1550 01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:33,319 will be skipping over yours this week. I do have we both have trivias 1551 01:40:33,319 --> 01:40:40,680 from rubikscal though. Yes you want to start, yes, So it's basically 1552 01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,159 one, but it's split into kind of like three different questions. So Dan 1553 01:40:44,319 --> 01:40:48,720 as as I'm sure you're aware, Steph Curry's two and sixty eight game made 1554 01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:55,079 three pointer streak is no more. That was the longest streak of all time? 1555 01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:59,800 Who had the second longest. I'll give you options unless you want to 1556 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,319 just spouted out because you came across this at some point, Jef Curry, 1557 01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:08,760 that is correct. So that's one I was gonna say. Did you just 1558 01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:12,840 know that or was it like obvious from the framing of the question. I 1559 01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:16,479 knew it. Okay, however, uh, the longest streak, not by 1560 01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:21,720 Steph, belongs to Aamian Lillard. Wrong. I'll give you options, Klay 1561 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:26,520 Thompson, Kyle Korver, James Harden, Jason Tatum. It is Kyle Korver. 1562 01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,439 Do you want to guess? Is it more over under one hundred? 1563 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:35,000 Uh? Oh, it has to be. If it's the second longest, 1564 01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,720 it's over one hundred, because Dame has over one hundred. I think one 1565 01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:43,479 seven. Uh, longest active. Now you've already said it is Dame Amian 1566 01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,840 Lillard. I don't know what that number is. Uh. That that is 1567 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:50,600 Uh, that's so crazy that Steph. How about this hypothetical, This isn't 1568 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:54,920 a trivia question. Is Steph going to have another two hundred game made three 1569 01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,479 streak? Is that possible? At age thirty five? What an history gain? 1570 01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,640 Dat again to sixty eight? So if we divide that into eighty two? 1571 01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:04,760 Oh did they count playoffs? No? I think it's just regular season. 1572 01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:09,840 So that would mean that he has to play basically three and one quarter 1573 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:14,399 full regular seasons from here. I won't rule it out. I'm not gonna 1574 01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:19,520 lie roll it out. Yeah, that is staying healthy enough to accumulate those 1575 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,359 games, I think is maybe more of the issue than making a three in 1576 01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:26,760 every game he plays. That that would be where I would have some concerns. 1577 01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,039 That is the only trivia that Rubik Skal sent me, unless I check 1578 01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:32,760 my phone while you look for others. No, that's all I got. 1579 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:39,680 I've got a bunch. So one, my dad, this actually might this 1580 01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:43,520 is a guess a player. I'm sorry, but clue number one. My 1581 01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,000 dad played four years with the tar Heels, but his college career coincided with 1582 01:42:46,319 --> 01:42:49,880 Michael Jordan and James Worthy. Though he played one hundred and three games from 1583 01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:54,199 North Carolina, he only averaged one point five points in four point three minutes. 1584 01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:59,239 Okay, my dad was part of the famous nineteen eighty four draft class, 1585 01:42:59,319 --> 01:43:01,319 having been picked up by the Denver Nuggets, but he suffered a serious 1586 01:43:01,399 --> 01:43:05,520 knee injury before tryout and never played in the NBA. Ooh, okay, 1587 01:43:08,079 --> 01:43:11,159 clew three of seven. My dad did, however, get to see me 1588 01:43:11,239 --> 01:43:14,279 drafted fifth overall by the Utah Jazz, and I played all eighty two games 1589 01:43:14,279 --> 01:43:17,600 in my rookie season, starting half of them. I should get it from 1590 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,239 that, but I don't don't have a fifth number five pick for the Jazz. 1591 01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:27,119 All right, continue CLU four. Unfortunately, my NBA career was played 1592 01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:30,920 with injuries, starting with a torn acl and then in order a separated left 1593 01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,000 shoulder, a sprained ankle, a bone bruise, and then a torn pteller 1594 01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:40,039 tendon. Jesus, tough, tough luck. Did we didn't get a year 1595 01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:44,760 on the number five pick by the Jazz? Did we? What's that we 1596 01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:48,079 were not provided with the year that this player was picked fifth by the Jazz? 1597 01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:54,399 No? All right, clu five. My highly touted athleticism was fast 1598 01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:57,479 fading. I was no longer getting any playing time. I reached minna dear 1599 01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,479 in twenty twenty one when the Hardenless Rocket it's waived me before the start of 1600 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:04,359 the season. Oh man, I should I should get this right away. 1601 01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:10,000 So the number five pick that was waved by the Rockets in twenty one, 1602 01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:17,560 I think I might just be off today. Nothing's coming. I spent two 1603 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,720 years playing in Europe getting healthy again before I rejoined the NBA. Hmmm, 1604 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,239 oh is this just exim? Yes, Dante exem his dad is Cecil Exam. 1605 01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:30,960 I didn't know that about his dad. That was a good week. 1606 01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:34,760 Did I send this to Ruberg Scale and the side chat? Just the like, 1607 01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:40,359 the knowledge and depth like the knowledge and the depth of the research is 1608 01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:43,720 just mind melting. Here. Very impressive. Yeah, pretty much for every 1609 01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,239 guess a player, I learned something. Yeah, I totally learned about shit. 1610 01:44:47,239 --> 01:44:49,960 And then shout out to like be Rich for always just giving you ones 1611 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:54,279 that are gonna annoy you in some way every time, especially if I don't 1612 01:44:54,279 --> 01:44:58,199 get them, and shout out Nicolecha and Mike Hernishing for sending us some. 1613 01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,439 We appreciate every single one of you. All right, now, would you 1614 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,680 gotten this last clue? I am shooting fifty three percent from the field forty 1615 01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,680 and a half percent from three in twenty games this year, and both her 1616 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:13,079 career highs that wouldn't if I wasn't gonna get it off the previous ones that 1617 01:45:13,159 --> 01:45:16,640 wasn't gonna get me there. Uh, I'm trying to This one reads like 1618 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,239 a not a high coupe, but it almost feels like a poem. But 1619 01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:25,640 it's trivia now at passing and shooting, I was a killer, though my 1620 01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:30,560 big man skills were kind of vanilla brad Miller to make what's that Brad Miller? 1621 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,560 Wow? Wow that I'm gonna finish it though, just because I appreciate 1622 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:40,359 the run. Oh yeah, go ahead. The first to make consecutive All 1623 01:45:40,359 --> 01:45:44,840 Star appearances but for different conferences. Who am I? I'm Brad Miller. 1624 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,520 I've played golf with Brad Miller. Have I ever told you that just got 1625 01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,840 random? These cool stories about how they know these NBA players or play golf 1626 01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:56,199 with these NBA players. I've shown Kemp dapt me up twice. That's my 1627 01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:59,680 cool NBA story. I was randomly paired with him one time and it was 1628 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:04,079 like, that's clearly or just like at a just random like Wednesday, like 1629 01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:08,279 a couple of few years ago. That's a weird. So you belong to 1630 01:46:08,319 --> 01:46:11,640 the same country club as Brad Miller, that's a very It was a public 1631 01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:15,039 course Brad Miller. I don't think he was wearing jeorts, but he had 1632 01:46:15,039 --> 01:46:17,640 a real jeorts vibe. Very nice guy, cool guys. That's what podcast 1633 01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:24,359 money gets you, folks. Yeah right, youwo. That's why everyone should 1634 01:46:24,359 --> 01:46:27,960 have a podcast. Everyone does. Okay, let's see, I got you 1635 01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:32,399 reminded me. I have also a rhyming uh kind of guess a player slash 1636 01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:39,239 trivia thing from Rubik's scalp. In restaurants, I have a reputation for not 1637 01:46:39,359 --> 01:46:45,720 tipping at Central Orchestra. At Central, all my prospects were slipping a growth 1638 01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,439 spurt gave my college stats an uptick in the late eighties. I was drafted 1639 01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:56,960 fifth as a supersonic. You're gonna have to let the the rhyming thing of 1640 01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:03,840 tipping and slipping do a lot of the work here and then slipping. Scottie 1641 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,640 Pippen, was he drafted by the Sonics? He was? You got it? 1642 01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:11,800 Was he? Yeah? So rubiksk this is another learning moment. I 1643 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:15,800 did not know that Scottie Pippen was notorious for like not tipping at restaurants and 1644 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:19,960 stuff. But that's the thing I learned from Rubik Scal's trivia limericks, So 1645 01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:25,840 I didn't I didn't know that either. She shouted. By the way, 1646 01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:29,000 Ruby Scal shouted out Trey Kirby from No Dunks because he was the original source 1647 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,680 of the Brad Miller trivia. Your friend Brad Miller, a good close personal 1648 01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:38,039 buddy. Let's do Let's do one more. Okay, this is trivia from 1649 01:47:38,079 --> 01:47:42,239 Ruby Scal. The fifteen sixteen MAVs had three point guards who started at least 1650 01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:45,720 one game for them. All three of them were born on the same day, 1651 01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:49,000 June twenty sixth, nineteen eighty four, who were the point guards. 1652 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:54,760 Uh is JJ Berea one of them? He is one of three? That's 1653 01:47:54,800 --> 01:48:00,000 correct. Eighty four. So hold on, how these guys are fifteen six 1654 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,800 sixteen MAVs. Who the hell is on the fifteen sixteen MAVs? Was was 1655 01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:09,600 that the year Rondo was there for like five minutes? No? Probably not 1656 01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:14,439 him. I think that was fourteen to fifteen. Okay, fifteen sixteen MAVs 1657 01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:16,640 point guards. I'm so bad at these, like just trying to remember who 1658 01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:20,199 was on that roster. One of them might feel like you should know. 1659 01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:26,680 Oh, that doesn't help me. This is just wild that the same birthdays 1660 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,640 and they all started at least one game for them. We're just like, 1661 01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,600 I didn't know this shit. It's the same, like down to the day, 1662 01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:39,159 like the same month your day. Uh, let me look at that. 1663 01:48:39,279 --> 01:48:44,760 No, oh, it's the same. It's the same day and year. 1664 01:48:45,359 --> 01:48:50,720 Wow, that's bizarre. Shout out. How do you even find that? 1665 01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:56,920 Uh? I don't know if I'm gonna get anybody beyond JJ Burrea without 1666 01:48:57,239 --> 01:49:01,359 without hints. Okay, I'll do. How about your word association? Try 1667 01:49:01,399 --> 01:49:09,159 and get you through the last two guesses? Great North Carolina Raymond Felton. 1668 01:49:10,279 --> 01:49:13,920 Oh, he was on the Maps and did not remember that. Wow, 1669 01:49:14,039 --> 01:49:16,720 I can give you the birth date, maybe that June twenty sixth, nineteen 1670 01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:20,520 eighty four. Nope, that uh you believe it or not. That does 1671 01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:24,840 not help me. Uh all right, this is the guy I thought you 1672 01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:29,479 were gonna get, So keep that in mind. Okay, go get Jerry 1673 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:34,720 Sloan. Oh, Darren Williams. There you go. Damn that's I. 1674 01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:39,560 I honestly, god, I cannot remember that Darren Williams, or certainly not 1675 01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:43,600 Raymond Felton. I you would if you had said you have, Like you 1676 01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,039 just remember Raymond Felton starting for the Maps. I apparently blocked that out for 1677 01:49:46,199 --> 01:49:49,079 memory. I'm trying to think this. Well knows Devin Harris was also on 1678 01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:53,520 that team. He just didn't start, seeh, Devin Harris. I definitely 1679 01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:56,960 associate with Dallas. But that's uh man, what was going on in my 1680 01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,039 life in twenty fifteen sixteen? I just blacked out that whole year. I 1681 01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:02,159 can't remember. Well, if probably the Warriors are winning seventy three games, 1682 01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:06,920 I just didn't care about anything else that might have been it. Do you 1683 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:12,479 want to take us out of here? Sure? Thank you everybody that I 1684 01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:16,039 guess especially Rubik Scal is just the MVP of this episode for teaching us things 1685 01:50:16,359 --> 01:50:19,920 and doing ridiculous for an hour and forty minutes, and then the final ten 1686 01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:25,039 minutes Ruberscal comes in and just dominates, just just called called out of the 1687 01:50:25,039 --> 01:50:28,239 bullpen and throws one hundred and five to just take us, take us home 1688 01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,279 again. Thanks everybody. If you are not already following, you can do 1689 01:50:32,319 --> 01:50:36,199 that on our socials at Hardwood Knocks on Twitter and TikTok at Horbard Underscore Knocks 1690 01:50:36,199 --> 01:50:42,920 on Instagram, subscribe on YouTube, rate review five stars on iTunes, Apple, 1691 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,359 Spotify, every place you get your podcast, Tell your friends. Word 1692 01:50:45,359 --> 01:50:49,880 of mouth is always really helpful if you want to join our discord, which 1693 01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:54,119 is how you can basically become a part of the podcast at this rate, 1694 01:50:54,159 --> 01:51:00,079 with the way we're harvesting suggestions and trivia and guess the players do that and 1695 01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:02,680 get merch the links for that or in the YouTube and podcast description, I 1696 01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,560 think that covers it. Thank you for listening, thank you for watching that. 1697 01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,520 We close as always with a shout out to the one only Frank Nilikina 1698 01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:10,960 and an apology to jaredown