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a culinary experience. What goes on
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the mind of Stephanie to come up
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as well. It is unbelievable to
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that sounds so good to me.
Some people are like, oh man,

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I don't know if I can handle
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with Cajun seasoning right, nice pepper
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onion ring. It sounds delicious.
It'll warm you up from the inside out.

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And they're sharebeles chicken bacon, ranched
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I have the chips? Three ways
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for a great place to watch the
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It's bTB wood fired Pizza and grill
in the mall, Greece, Rich from

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the Mac of All Trade Studio in
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Brahm. It's Bilified the Bill Moran
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all over all the social platforms today. I thought this would be different

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because we were taping this on Sunday
before the Bills game, and I know

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that everybody's gonna be talking Bills,
and we'll get into that and of course

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as the week goes on. But
Chris Minaki's been on the podcast before.

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He and I went to Fisher together
thirty years ago, thirty plus years ago,

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and he just has kind of an
amazing story and I think it's one

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of these ones that you know,
I pay attention to a lot of guys

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who I guess you could put into
the motivational category, guys like Jesse Itzler,

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and Jesse Itzler will say things like
he's married to the Spanks, check

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he did the Nicks Go New York, Go New York Go and then he

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had the Marquee Jet company and he
did coconut water and he sold the Coca

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Cola and it's one of these very
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he always says is, you know, you don't know how much time you

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have. And if you see your
parents four times a year and they're at

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a certain age, what do you
got? And I think that nobody really

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likes to think in terms of that. I think maybe we should do more

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of that. But his big thing
is like packing more into your life.

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And then so when we were at
Fisher our senior year, I didn't see

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you a lot senior year because you
were student teaching and coaching, so you

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were off campus quite a bit.
And uh, but your room was right

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next to mine, so I was, yeah, so I used to.

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I mean, but you were always, you know, working, And then

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I remember you got sick, but
you were still around. That was senior

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year, correct. Yeah, So
it was non Hodgkins slimp foma Hodgkins Hodgkins

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lymphoma, Okay, and you went
through treatment for it, but I don't

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even remember it being like a big
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terrible to say that, but when
I'm just sound awful to be honest,

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Yeah, it does because I don't
remember it being a big deal because you

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didn't slow down. No, I
don't remember you like being out or like

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all of a sudden I ever said, hey, man, we gotta go

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see the archy. I was like, yeah, Crystal, so right.

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deal. I remember it being sort
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little bit. But you were always
around. So yeah, I had a

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couple of surgeries, biopsies, Yeah, staging, livanging, ram things like

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that, and you know, maybe
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the hospital here and there, but
I finished up my senior year. Yeah,

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and I said I did not want
to start my treatments until after graduation

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because I was, okay, some
of my hair, I had to look

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pretty for the pictures. Come on, all right, that makes more sense.

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So that's that's why, because I
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So what was the treatment at the
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me. I did my research and
the problem was I was looking at books

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from the late eighties. Yeah,
I mean no internet back then, so

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right looking up and which in a
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yes, and you know, and
I was looking at some of the treatments

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that I thought they were going to
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having radiation treatment for about two plus
two and a half months and they needed

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to stage meat properly or else.
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around less than five percent chance that
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like the three or four different areas
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said he wouldn't treat me with just
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which was pretty painful procedure. Color
OLYFIANGI Gramm And I remember you were you

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were always working to buddy. You
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I don't know if you remember you
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me through the I remember that the
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go in between each toe, sorry
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inch needle and insert that you know, the die so they could see going

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and started and then hooked me up
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that turned out to be pretty good. And the stitched up the top of

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my feet and decided that radiation was
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and then that was the main treatment. There was no correct Okay, let

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me move that mic up just a
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that whole time, where were you
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summer after we graduated, summer after
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and I was living at home,
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by myself focus on the treatments.
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dad and asked if I could stay
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Scott and I had stayed the summer
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was outside of Geneseo, right on
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my treatments. And you know,
you were driving back and forth the treatment.

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drive the treatment? So I only
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me, try to protect as you
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they could in the field of radiation. And it only took maybe thirty seconds

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on each side, and then I
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maybe a half an hour thirty minute
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didn't want to stop playing soccer.
I didn't want to stop, you know,

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working out whatever. And you know
when you go from one eighty you

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months, Yeah, you look like
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yeah bullshit aside you do and so
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want to be seen. Yeah,
it was a matter of that, you

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know. I just well, here's
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ask you this. You seem like
you wouldn't want anybody's sympathy. No,

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I want to be treated in yeah
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eighty to one thirty two, that's
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was already very fit, now you
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that's for sure. I mean,
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yeah, And you wouldn't want someone
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what's going on? Yeah? Right? Yeah? And I just went honestly,

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only one point in time where I
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was when I was going through those
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geez, I'm like, I could
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before they brought me in and talked
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rate and all the advances. Right, well, yeah, I mean that's

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thirty plus years ago, but still, you know, this curate was in

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the ninety percentile, right, and
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up and then in college. So
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through the the testing see what was
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zero symptoms. And you know,
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and my spine with zero symptoms.
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been I would have been in if
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and then as soon as as fall
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work. I worked a couple of
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some kids because my hair started falling
out, and that's a funny story I'll

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never forget. And I forgot that
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it only hit the back basically the
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or anything. And with radiation usually
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so you know, the field was
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button up until run my jaw in
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sitting at evans parents cottage and they
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I'm watching The Prices right. That
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models and now they get you know, the guys on too models now they

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do. I know that. I
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When I was just recently, I
texted my wife, I go, you

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realize I'm watching Praises right they got
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what's wrong with that? So anyway, so I'm watching The Prices right thirty

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plus years ago, and I'm like, what the heck is this hair coming

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from? Like? This is gross? It was like is there formerly a

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cat here or something like that?
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my hands behind my head and a
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fingers. I'm like, oh,
I forgot about that. It's just so

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what do I do? I don't
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the idiot that I have. My
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I'm trying to look in a small
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back of my head. And luckily, back then, that was like a

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style the skater cut, so it
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up and you know, the kids
saying, coach, what's up with your

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hair? And I lost a bet
and had to get a bad haircut.

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That's all I told. Tell one
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That's wow. So all that goes
on and you go into I guess remission,

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and then after what five years,
they say you're looking pretty good after

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five years, and then no it's
never come back. I was a little

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scared, like four plus years ago, but that they actually told me they

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misdiagnosed me. Okay, so I
don't even think you know this. I

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went in for another biopsy and all
signs, you know, the pet scan,

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everything said that what they saw was
going to be cancer. So I

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had a biopsy done and the surgeon
told me after he said it was cancer,

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they just didn't know what type,
and that, you know, the

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let me know in about a week
or so when they get the final pathology

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in so Julian and the kids go
to Florida. I stayed up here.

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They went to Disney, and I
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I'm like, all right, yeah, just mentally preparing. It's a

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lot different than you're single, right, you know, you've got your family.

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It's it's completely different. So just
getting mentally ready to tackle chemo whatever

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and be like I got this,
you know. And then this mentality I've

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had since basically my first or second
treatment, when I saw little kids in

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there that had brain cancer and the
parents, it was so tough looking at

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the parents at twenty one years old, You're looking at parents that realize their

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kids are gonna pass away and they're
just trying to have them hold on as

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long as they can. And these
are the toughest little kids ever. And

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that's when I basically got them and
tell you like, look, I'm never

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complaining. I'm never complaining about this. And my parents thought I was going

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through with you know, denial,
and then I didn't have cancer. I

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was just basically I had the right
perspective on it. Yeah, so you

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know, they I'm recovering from the
biopsy four years ago and preparing and we

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get a dog. I get a
dog. We're gonna take a dog anyways.

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I'm like, I'm gonna need this
dog around anyways going through I'm probably

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going through chemo in my head.
And my doctor for the past third years,

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you know, calls me up.
I go, when do I start?

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He goes, what do you mean? So when do I start treatment?

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I said, He's gonna go chemo, chemo, radiation, just chemo.

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What what are we doing here?
He goes, what are you talking

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about? He goes, it's not
cancer? What do you you want to

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talk about? Almost dropping the phone
bill? Seriously, I want cried.

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I had tears in my as not
and I said, what are you talking

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about? They told me when it
came out of the anesthetia that he's like,

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who told you that? So he
was pretty upset. So that was,

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you know, no problems with that. Luckily it was not cancer.

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And which brings us to, you
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life the way you're supposed to live
it. I've done that since Well yeah,

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let's let's let's go to that for
a couple of things. Because you

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touched on one thing. Cancer affects
more than the patient. And you're talking

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about seeing the parents of young children. You didn't just pop on the planet.

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You have parents as well, So
how are they and how how were

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they? Cancers? I believe toughest
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think answer sure, and over the
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it is basically everyone has been touched
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club the people that are survivors or
have have lost people. And I always

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say, no one ever loses the
cancer. You just run out of time.

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I agree. I don't like the
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the term this will sound weird,
but battle or fight, I like live

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with because I think that words have
power, and when we're always pushing against,

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pushing against, we get more resistance
back. But if we're living with,

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if we're adjusting to or it just
it's just a language and maybe it's

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a semantic that is just kind of
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I never like that. I have
a friend who passed away a few

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years ago, who put on a
tremendous, you know, tremendous life with

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living with cancer and went through all
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which can really be quite bad,
and went eight years, you know,

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really pushing, and then I got
the call he goes, it's the end,

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and he called me to just say
goodbye, and it was one of

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the weirdest things. I somebody else
was there. It was kind of awkward

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at the time, and I always
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I didn't know what to say as
he was calling sagabye. I didn't

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know what to say. He had
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my career, and it was strange. But but back to your parents and

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stuff, because I got a thing
for your you know, your mom,

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and uh, I don't know,
like they become. I think it almost

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sounds like going down to the lake. I find water. This is gonna

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be really weird, but I find
water very healing, very healing to be

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around. It's calming, Let's put
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we're calmer, we heal better.
We just heal better, we deal with

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life better. We do that.
So I would want to be where you

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were, but I also wouldn't want
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I wouldn't want to be rude to
my mother at the same time. Yeah,

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it's like I said, it's the
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they don't necessarily know how to treat
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people in the cancer world over the
years is, look, don't treat that

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person any different, and it's very
difficult. There's a guy we went to

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college with, you were very tight
with. I was not you mentioned him

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because you stated his like he would
seem like a guy who would treat you

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as you were you, whether you
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hundred and thirty pounds. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean

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for sure. Evans Scott Evans,
Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what

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you want. Yep, you want
people. That's a that's a really great

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friendship you have like that. That's
a wonderful. Yeah, I'm blessed with

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you know, it's a wonderful Yeah. Fisher Evans. You know there's there,

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there's a core of guys that And
it was advice my dad gave me.

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It was a Fisher grad and he
said, luck, he goes,

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you're eventually going to college, and
he goes, you might still talk to

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a couple of people from high school, but you're probably gonna make your lifelong

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friends there. And a lot of
my dad's advice was really really good.

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And it is different though, when
your dad and you're looking at you know,

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your your child go through something.
And I watched my son go through

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some awful pain with his appendix a
year and a half ago, over the

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summer, got misdiagnosed and then a
burst, and you know you're helpless,

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and and I'm sure that I got
a little taste. I did get a

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taste of what my parents must have
felt like all those years ago. I

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think that's part part why I wanted
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I could feel people were uneasy around
me and weren't kind of like on eggshells

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a little bit. Yeah. Just
you know how many times you want to

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say, just you know, I'm
good, Like you know, I played

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three and three basketball. I lost
all my weight because I couldn't eat.

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I didn't get sick, I just
couldn't eat because my throat was burned so

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badly with the radiation. It couldn't
protect my esovagus that it felt like pins,

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you know, knives, just swallowing
you know, a little bit of

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water. Right, So see,
but you went, I don't play basketball,

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which dehydrates you. Yeah, exercise
to a degree. I don't like

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people saying, well, you won't
be able to do this, you won't

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be able to well, but I
gotta tell you now, I had been

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told I misquote the Bible on this, but I thought at one point Jesus

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healed people and said go forth and
tell no one. And the way I

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took that was because when you go
back, and you know, maybe he

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put it somebody's ear back on it. I don't know, they go,

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eh, holyfield, Yeah that's gonna
last about a week. You know,

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it's coming back, right, you
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anybody ever does it on purpose.
I think that they, you know,

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the love, they're scared, they're
concerned, and so they want to say

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things to you like rest or,
oh my god, don't overdo it or

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whatever, and they don't mean bad, but it's frustrating to you because you

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know you can and so to eliminate
that and eliminate it from your thought process

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because once the doubt comes back in, well, then so does the disease,

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which is the disease of your body. I don't know. It all

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sounds like, you know, I'm
telling you to stand in a I don't

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know, want a circle out in
the sun with a crystal in your left

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hand while you're on your balancing on
your right foot. It sounds that weird,

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But I really think there's some truth
to that, and I feel like

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in a way, you sort of
did that by removing yourself, knowing right,

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staying positive, listening to the music
you like, the things that made

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you feel satisfied and good. Yeah, I think that what you said there's

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a lot to the water, and
maybe they didn't realize it at the time,

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but I just think that it's very
calm, right, It's just calming

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and it's I love. Yeah,
just focused on what I needed to do,

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and you know, got got through
it. But it was a lot

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of perspective. Did you have a
cell phone then? No, well not

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that you'd know. Did you get
it? I mean there's a land line

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down there. No, that's what
I mean. A cell phone, so

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nobody could get to you all the
time you went out to fish. You

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were out to fish, no one
could get you. No, you go

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out to fish, now, somebody's
good. They could get me on the

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landline there. Unluckily there was right. I'm not going to revisit how Evans

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floated across the lake to Camp Stellamar. But that's the story for another day,

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okay. But I mean all that, okay, So that that gave

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you some some peace and some time
for yourself mentally, where do you go?

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Where do you go? What's going
on inside your head? What's going

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on inside my head is number one. I'm lucky that I have the type

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of cancer that I have. Okay, And that was the perspective. Like

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I mentioned, you know, when
I play like trucks with these little kids

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in the waiting room and seeing you
know, the scars in their head,

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from multiple brain surgeries and just having
the perspective at twenty one years old,

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like, hey, I'm really happy
that I have this type of cancer and

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there's tons of people out there that
would want the type of cancer I have

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because it's ninety treatable, right.
So that's that's where I've been the last

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thirty years. Okay, pushing like
you're trying to find so much stuff in

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what did it teach you to try
to fit so much stuff into life?

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So almost along the lines of what
I started with with Jesse, And you

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know, I think that I've,
for good or for bad, pushed myself

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sometimes a little too much. But
you don't know what you what you really

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kind of accomplish until you, you
know, push your limits. That's I

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guess that's the coaching me and that's
how you know. I always say that

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I wasn't a great athlete, but
I was good at sports. There's a

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difference, and I had to turn
myself into you know, an above average

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athlete and just you know, grind
it out. So that served me well

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over the years in the perspective that
I got from there's such cancer. Yeah,

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I always worry too, sometimes like
people go, well, I got

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to grind it out, or I
gotta do this, But there's such satisfaction

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when you get to the end,
you know, when you push yourself and

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all of a sudden you're standing there
and you've done You've reached a goal,

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or let's say you didn't hit the
goal, but you're a hell of a

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lot further than you were. And
if you keep that mindset, I think

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is it. It's a really wonderful
thing. And as a parent, that's

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one of the biggest lessons teaching my
kids is taking challenges on. It doesn't

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matter, you know, it's the
effort that goes in and like you're saying,

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the personal growth that you get by
taking on something difficult, instead of

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saying, oh, I accomplish this, Oh, you're just lowering the bar.

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Excuse me. I've pushed my kids
to try things that are outside their

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comfort zone. And I do understand
that the probably the most powerful thing that

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you can do for yourself is set
a goal that's very difficult to reach and

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if you go all in on that
and you achieve it, literally will live

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the rest of your life knowing that
if you want something you can you will

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have it. Yeah, I think
you can have it. You will have

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it if you are willing to pay
the price. But that's the problem,

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Bill, is that people you know
don't want to pay the price for what

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they want. Those people are few
and far between. Yeah, I often

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think that because we say, you
know, the thing is like pay the

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price, people, I don't want
to do it. But if you break

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it down to you know, I
like a clean, organized place. I'm

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a disaster. My goal would be
but the satisfaction of being able to find

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your keys, not start your Monday
morning the fuck I leave those And I

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know that's a really simple, simple
example, but it's part of what you're

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saying, is that, And so
you do that, right, and now

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I go here, and I go
here. I always think like you can't

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get from where you are to where
you want to be, and then you

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start to get dissatisfied and frustrated,
and so you're not going to push yourself

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in what's the fucking point? But
you can get from here to there,

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and you're a little bit closer to
where you want to be and here to

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there and a little bit, whether
it's it's diet or whatever, you know,

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we were coming into a new year, how many people go I gotta

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lose thirty pounds. They go up, they go down, they go up,

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they go down. But once you
stay the satisfaction you feel, go

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with that feeling, and I swear
to God, You're going to reach that

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goal and prove to yourself as you
said, you can have whatever you want.

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Yeah, it's the whole idea of
how do you eat an elephant?

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Yeah, one little bite at a
time. And I remember the first year

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you could eat a buick if you
want to take put my first year out

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coaching college in Wisconsin, I put
on probably like twenty five pounds. I'm

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putting in eighteen twenty twenty one hour
days, sleeping at the office. I

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mean, I'm out there by myself, no kids, not married, just

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success. Actually failure was not an
option, so I said, jeez,

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I said, I gotta get my
butt into shape. And I remember there's

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this huge hill, like a San
Francisco size hill in Dubukey where where I

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was living, by Lauris College.
I don't think we have anything around here

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like this, and it was near
my my condo and I was like,

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I'm gonna start running this hill.
And I remember day one, I go,

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you know, waddled over all chunky, and I look up. I'm

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like, jeez, I see you
gotta be freaky kidding me, Like what

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am I doing? Right? And
that I pseg myself out and I'm like

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nope. So I said, here's
what you're gonna do. All you're gonna

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do is look one line in the
sidewalk ahead, and then as soon as

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you get to that one, you're
gonna look at the next one. You're

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not gonna look up. And so
like the first brilliant That's exactly what I'm

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saying. I know. That's why
it's a good example. So you know,

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eventually, by what week three,
I was at the top and then

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I started running that and man,
I got into just crazy shape. The

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kids came back, you know,
in early August, and they looked at

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me and they're like, oh my
god, I go yeah, I'll be

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running with you guys too. So
that it's phenomenal, it's awesome. That

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is that is great. Let's take
a moment and then come back because something

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else has happened as a result of
the treatment, right that they sort of

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warned you about. And then what
has that changed anything for you don't answer

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now, but has that changed anything
for you or is it just giving you

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satisfaction that you're doing things the right
way? And maybe because of the diagnosis

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thirty years ago. We'll get into
that next. But first, Cobblestone on

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Maine at one of nine West Main
Street in the village of Webster. I

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was with another owner of an establishment
and they said to me, Hey,

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I was out of Cobblestone on Maine. I've heard you talk about that place.

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Oh man, Dan Bresnahan is doing
it right now, peer to peer

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right. That's the greatest compliment you
can get, no matter what you do

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in life. If somebody who does
something sim says you're doing it right,

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you're doing it right. And that's
what's happening at Cobblestone on Maine. The

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food is fantastic, the bars upscale, the wine list is incredulous. I'm

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trying to come up with more action, but you understand what I'm saying.

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Like, the food is great,
it's great for date night. They have

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a private room that you can rent
out for a special event. It's all

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right there one o nine West Main
Street in the village of Webster with live

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music on Friday nights. Sometimes it's
just the whole atmosphere and everything is well

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on point right, not the phrase
on point cobblestone on Maine. Check it

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out for yourself at one o nine
West Main Street in the village of Webster,

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Myersarvs dot com. What does this
song represent for you? It represents me

437
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not dying. Yeah, basically,
really it does this and Kickstart my Heart

438
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from Motley Crue. Yeah, yeah, a lot of the songs now,

439
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:17,200
yeah, well kickstart my heart.
That that's so you were told thirty years

440
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,119
ago when you were going through the
radiation treatment. What do they say to

441
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you? They said that my lungs
had been scarred. And you're talking to

442
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:30,160
someone that could run a mile,
as you know, that was the best

443
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conditioned athlete on our soccer team.
It could. You know, I think

444
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:38,279
my times were around like four forty
something mile. That's good. It's really

445
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,680
solid, you know, really moving. So I had killer lungs, but

446
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,200
I was not fast, but I
could I could run forever. Well,

447
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,480
it's the yeah, the endurance.
Right. I was like a middle distance

448
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,599
runner in high school, and so
I would be that sub two minute half

449
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:59,480
mile around that in you know the
mile, so that that those are really

450
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good. That's a really good time. And for soccer you're running all the

451
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:07,200
time. You're always moving on that
field. So lungs were scarred because they

452
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,599
could only you know, prevent so
much of the radiation from not hitting you

453
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,640
know, my organs. Back then
they just basically tried to do an outline

454
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,039
of your organs with lead and block
it as best they could. But my

455
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:29,119
heart was damaged during the radiation treatments, and they knew this, they did.

456
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,079
They told me. They were like, well, you know, and

457
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:36,519
again you're twenty twenty one, slash
turn in twenty two that summer and you're

458
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,359
hearing okay, thirty years down the
road, twenty you might have you know,

459
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,160
some issues, more susceptible to heart
disease whatever, and you live a

460
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,799
healthy lifestyle. You get after life
for three decades, right sort of even

461
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,920
though you're told and you're you go
to your cancer checkups and everything's good.

462
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,720
You just in my mind, you
know, I'm back this past summer playing

463
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,880
outdoor soccer for the first time in
twenty years. Yeah, how was that?

464
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,440
It's great? Yeah? What age
group? I mean are they age

465
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,639
group there is? Yeah, Well, you don't want to be with eighteen

466
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,199
year old I couldn't know forty over
Okay, I still think I could do

467
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:22,519
thirty You probably could, I know
you do. Of course, well you

468
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:27,840
should resist you? Oh are you
getting resistance from a few people not letting

469
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,599
you in there? No, they're
just saying, well, you know,

470
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,559
w don't you just stay where you
were? You're doing fine there because I

471
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,920
like the challenge. Yeah, I
can understand that recording stuff for a second.

472
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:44,360
But so, uh, okay,
so what give me the day?

473
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,199
Because I'm sure you remember twenty third
October twenty third, twenty twenty three.

474
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Yep, so eight twenty three or
do excuse me a ten twenty three twenty

475
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,400
three? Correct? Okay? Have
infamy? At what time? Five thirty

476
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,280
am? Five thirty am? What
are you doing in five thirty eight getting

477
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,920
up to go to the gym?
Worko? Okay? And what Jim uh

478
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:12,519
ATR Fitness? I do you have
any gym sponsors on your show? No?

479
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
But I do some stuff in embody. I do it boxes, I

480
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,320
will I will give a shout out
to a tr FI. Okay, phenomenal

481
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,119
like the best gym I've ever worked
out. It's in Webster Garrett Backer free

482
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:30,199
Plug. Uh phenomenal staff and I
love it so much there I cannot even

483
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,280
say enough about it, but I
just love going there. But yeah,

484
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,719
five thirday morning, going to a
tr fitness Okay, so where are you

485
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,360
in your at your house, at
the house down in the man cave,

486
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:49,199
starting to get ready and rooms starts
spinning. Okay, not feeling good?

487
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Yeah do you what do you think
is happening? Nothing yet? When the

488
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:00,039
room starts spinning, I'm like you
and I've had give me the happened before,

489
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,599
you know, one time or you
know, over the years, where

490
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:10,079
a little vertigo and I'm like,
okay. Then my arm starts hurt.

491
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,679
Now I'm like okay, and then
the pain in my chest and I'm like,

492
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:22,039
oh boy, better get upstairs because
you don't have your cel phone on

493
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:29,119
you down here, you know,
so my wife's not gonna wake up until

494
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:34,719
for another like hour plus to get
you know, my daughter ready. I'm

495
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719
like, So I get up there
and I go, you gotta call nine

496
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,960
one one. I haven't heard it. And she looks at me and she

497
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,679
could tell her serious didn't even you
know, And I kid that it was

498
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:52,000
nice of her to call for me, be like, let's just give it

499
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,719
a little bit. Yeah, right, well, because you would, right,

500
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:04,400
But if you're trying to kill someone. It's just funny. So you

501
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,400
know, I'm like, you know, not feeling good, feeling like I

502
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:16,320
need to throw up the half bath
downstairs and I'm trying to make myself throw

503
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,280
up because I feel so awful and
I can't do it. And now I'm

504
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:29,199
like feeling even more tired. She's
on the phone and I'm like, where

505
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,519
are they there? On the way
so like, you know, it's a

506
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:37,039
half bath, so they started got
my legs. Now I'm like, I

507
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,960
can't really prop myself up on the
toilet anymore because I'm getting so weak,

508
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,079
and I'm just sort of like lying
with my head on my forearm. Luckily

509
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:52,519
we have a very clean bathroom.
My head's near the near the toilet.

510
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,519
And finally the you know, they
get there and they're like, you know,

511
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,000
can you can you can you move? And I'm like just drag me

512
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:04,760
out by my feet, you know. They're like, well, we gotta

513
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,719
you know, we can't do that. And then all of a sudden,

514
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,719
I hear my wife say, you
know, Bren, stay upstairs. That's

515
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,880
I'm like, and in my head, there's no way in hell I have

516
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,360
my daughter see me like this.
So I have no idea how I did

517
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,519
it to this day, but I
literally stood up, blasted through the pyramids

518
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:32,840
and threw myself on the gurney in
the front yard, okay, because I

519
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,719
have my daughter see me like that. And then the scary stuff started happening.

520
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:45,400
They put me in the back and
I was, Uh, they give

521
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:52,679
you one of those pills. What's
the pill? Your tongue started a little

522
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:59,760
faby, so I think they did. But the the pain was pretty damn

523
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,920
bad. And I'm not gonna lie, I was. I was going out,

524
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:08,559
yeah, and I I said,
my my my penance. I told

525
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,639
God, I said, I'm sorry
for all the horrible things I've done in

526
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,480
my life. If I left any
out, I'm just making a general confession

527
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:22,320
right now. And I felt like
I was slipping away. I'm like this.

528
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,079
For a second, I was like, this can't be, this can't

529
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:28,760
be, and I can't do this
to my kids. And I said,

530
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,519
said my my penance. And then
I asked my grandparents to help me.

531
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:42,000
I was really close with my grandparents, and I said, I gotta just

532
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:47,000
keep breathing. Mm hmmm, because
I stopped breathing. No, I can

533
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,920
flip that around if I keep breathing. I'm not dead. I can't pass

534
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,519
out. And what people have asked
me, like, you know, did

535
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,039
you see a light? Did you
you know? A yes, I did

536
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:08,679
for a second, and I looked
immediately away from it. And this whole

537
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:14,639
goal of breathing was the only thing
I could do because I literally couldn't even

538
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,760
move my little finger. I was
You've seen people get pulled out of the

539
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,039
water, you know, that have
drowned, and they're all limp. That's

540
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:27,440
exactly how it was. I could
not move anything, could barely you know,

541
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,679
vocalize a little grunt or someone with
the questions that they were asking me,

542
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,800
and the pain was brutal. But
the problem was and once you imagine

543
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,719
your sleepiest state when you're just about
your you know, your head nods and

544
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:49,440
you make back up your sleepiest state, but staying at that state for a

545
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:58,559
good fifteen to twenty minutes and not
falling asleep while you're trying to breathe,

546
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:04,239
and the breathing so labored. It
was literally And I've done a lot of

547
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,519
stuff. I mean, I've packed
in a lot of stuff in my life,

548
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,480
some difficult you know, things professionally, personally, whatever I would say

549
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:16,920
that the most difficult thing that I've
ever done in my entire life was breathing

550
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:24,960
from my house to Rochester General.
And I said, whatever, one hundred

551
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,639
and twenty five breasts will probably get
me there. But every breath was like

552
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,559
the last rep of your last set
in the gym, every breath. So

553
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:40,760
we've all worked out so once you
imagine like every breath is your last rep.

554
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,960
And that's how labored it was.
And not falling asleep, and I

555
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:52,519
understand how people, how people can
just pass away like that warm feeling was

556
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,840
calling me and I was like I
was having none of it. You know,

557
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,679
it could have been so easy for
me. Basically just close your eyes

558
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,679
and just tilt your head and you're
out. And you think you would have

559
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,719
died if you did that. Well, it was interesting because I brought all

560
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,920
the a bunch of food over to
the people at the Webster ambulance when I

561
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,559
got out of the hospital and I
talked to them and it's like jeez,

562
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,119
I said, you know, it
was crazy, Thank you so much.

563
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:30,079
And remember one guy was the voice. I don't remember anyone's faces, but

564
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,079
I got to meet him after any
big brilly guy, great guy. And

565
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:40,199
remember him something that they needed because
I knew where we were, because I

566
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,480
could feel the turns okay, and
I was conscious of that because I knew

567
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:52,880
I need to keep breathing. And
I remember another vehicle pulled up to where

568
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
we were on one oh four because
they needed some sort of chords or something.

569
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,280
They want to have extra chords in
the ambulance or something something to that

570
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,280
effect. And remember the guy saying, you know those things on the top

571
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,320
of this, turn them on and
turn on this side and let's off and

572
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,079
go. So I knew it was
serious because they told me you're having an

573
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:15,039
art attack in the ambulance. And
but I asked, I said, you

574
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,599
know, I said, can you
check and how my blood pressure was?

575
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:22,440
He's like, yeah, he goes, I can look it up, but

576
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:30,679
he goes, I can tell you
that you were below sixty over thirty.

577
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,079
And then, of course, you
know, I had no reference on that.

578
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,559
I look it up and I talked
to people, and you know,

579
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,039
he basically was like, I haven't
seen really many people, if anything that

580
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:45,320
I can remember that stayed conscious at
that, you know, below however low

581
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:50,960
I was, and if you're ninety
over sixty, that's an emergency. And

582
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:57,920
I'm sixty over thirty and dropping.
So you know, I made it all

583
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400
the way to the hospital, and
you really thinks that had you gone to

584
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,519
that, I wasn't taking a chance. Yeah, And it was funny because

585
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:07,280
he said, I said. He
goes, well, I said, now,

586
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,280
if I had passed out, we'd
be having I said, if I

587
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,920
got it even lower and lower and
lower. He goes, well, yeah,

588
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,280
we'd be having a different conversation,
I said, or we wouldn't have

589
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,519
it be having a conversation. He
goes, yeah, but I'm pretty good

590
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,239
at bringing people back, That's what
he says to So basically, I was

591
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,800
at the point where I was going
to be out and there I was going

592
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,400
to be in cardiac arrest, and
that's a whole other animal. So but

593
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:35,840
I could feel it, and I
had ninety ninety nine percent blockage on my

594
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,000
right coronary, which you know they
told me from the radiation. Yeah,

595
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,559
because I have no I have no
family history. You know, I love

596
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,760
a healthy lifestyle. It's not like
I drink excessively. If I have a

597
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,599
couple of drinks a month, that's
about right. Or if that I'm not

598
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,920
like five hundred pounds, I'm exercizing, you know, what else is there?

599
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:06,199
So my cluster was great and it
was just okay, maybe some stress

600
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,840
sure, and the cancer. But
I remember the doctor. They rushed me

601
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,760
right into the operating room and you
know, put the stent in. They

602
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,679
said, you're gonna feel a lot
better momentarily. But I could feel them

603
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,360
going all the way up through my
uh my wrist in my arm, and

604
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,320
I can't even watch, like,
yeah, but you raised because I get

605
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,159
at that point, I'm like,
oh, no, of course, do

606
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,920
whatever you need to do. That's
that's what I said, how did you

607
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:36,920
how do you feel now? My
God? Like I guess I didn't realize

608
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,719
because I'm always pushing myself, like
you know, and it goes back to

609
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,360
my immune system when I get down
with my cancer treatments. My first couple

610
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,440
of years teaching in Pittsford, I
get a cold. You know, around

611
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,840
kids, immune systems down, You
feel miserable, so you just suck it

612
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,800
up and you just get stuff done
like quip whining. They just go like,

613
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,360
there's people that are terminal that would
love to just have like a cold

614
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,320
or not feel great and be you. So that's what I've been doing for

615
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:15,519
years so I don't know how how
I lost track of how much energy I

616
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:20,360
should have because they still get everything
done right. But now, to answer

617
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,679
your question, I literally feel every
day like I'm on ten cups of coffee

618
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,519
because I mean, think about yet
nine per blockage of half your heart and

619
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,360
you're still doing all this crap.
It's pretty good. That's pretty good,

620
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,239
all right now, Like it's like, lookout, So how long are you

621
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,800
in the hospital. Probably not long
two and a half days. Okay,

622
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,320
First thing you do when you get
out? First thing I did when I

623
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,199
got out? What did I do? I don't know. I can't remember

624
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,840
what I did? I mean,
did you want I don't know. Is

625
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,000
it take your wife out to do
something? Oh? Well, all right,

626
00:46:55,159 --> 00:47:00,760
So one of the first things I
did is, you know, obviously

627
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,920
I'm talking with my wife, you
know, with the kids, And how

628
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,079
is she? By the way,
through all that she was she's the best,

629
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,199
Like I married out big time.
Yeah, I'm saying, yeah,

630
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:14,599
I don't know, I don't know, but I mean she seems like a

631
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,639
lovely woman. I'm not she was
such, you know, just a rock

632
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,440
through the whole thing. But how
is she emotionally with this? I think

633
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,880
when it's all over, it's got
to be like shoo, Yeah, it's

634
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,599
a huge relief, yes, but
it's got to be a wave, a

635
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:35,000
tidal wave of like everything's got to
be sort of yes, but so well,

636
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,239
at least you knew you were loved. She could have been like,

637
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:45,199
yeah, I gotta give them a
little bit that prick. So you know,

638
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,840
we're sitting on the couch and just
trying to sort of talk through yeah,

639
00:47:52,679 --> 00:48:00,960
and I can't. I can't get
through that one piece where I thought

640
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,400
I was done. You know she's
at you know, I said, and

641
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,320
I would start talking about it,
you know, break down like it makes

642
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:16,000
makes sense. So the question is
like why, and you're gonna love this,

643
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:21,440
Why would I now be able to
tell this whole story? And I

644
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:27,559
get to that part where I was
almost basically dead thinking about my kids and

645
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,719
being like I can't go out this
way because you know, even know me

646
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,400
off all these years, if I'm
gonna die, I've got to get you

647
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,119
know, attacked by a bear.
I gotta be stopping a terrorist. I

648
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,320
can't die of a heart attack.
It's got to be something cool, you

649
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,639
know. It's got to be way
better than he died of a freaking heart

650
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:53,519
attack. It's like something you know, so there's other ways, but you

651
00:48:53,599 --> 00:49:00,960
know we're talking about and I'm like, I emotionally, this has affected me

652
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:06,800
greatly. I can't go any longer. And it's only been a couple of

653
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,599
days not being able to get through
this part of the story and like be

654
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:16,000
an emotional wreck. So I had
to put the call in to doctor J.

655
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,320
Yeah, doctor J, who I've
talked about on this podcast because his

656
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,280
mom was so hot and I used
to run in and sniff the cushion when

657
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,960
she was there. You always get
to say that I do. I did.

658
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,920
I just want people to know that
that guy is a stand up guy

659
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:38,440
and I was not. So he's
a psychologist, is doctor the leading psychologists

660
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:45,840
for for trauma resolution. And I
was like, Jay, here's what's going

661
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,199
on, and he's you know,
he knew, he you know, he

662
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,679
texted me the day of like people
knew in the in the small circles of

663
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,599
because that was kind of keeping it
close to the vest a little bit.

664
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,920
And I'm like, you know,
it's a little embarrassing, but then like,

665
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,760
why well, because it's me number
one, But that's whatever, that's

666
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,000
your ego, right, So then
I'm like, fine, I don't even

667
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:12,039
care. That's why we're here today. I think, you know, well,

668
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:16,159
I think it's a book service announcement
like this story too though out there,

669
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,719
Yes, but I like the the
whole thing of you've never you don't

670
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,800
give up no, and you know
that's the thing, like you you're gonna

671
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:34,639
live that ride over that those those
brats, every breath it could have just

672
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,760
I could have easily just nodded every
single one. It was so labored bill

673
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,599
to just to do, just to
breathe and exhale, and it was like

674
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:52,000
if I stopped doing this and I
could be dead. So it was you

675
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:58,920
know, I guess leading up to
to all these things like maybe like difficult

676
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,599
things that you do, like you
were an athlete. I was an athlete.

677
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,280
You know, we train, we
push ourselves. Why are we pushing

678
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,599
ourselves? Like what prepares us for
that moment? Maybe all this crazy stuff

679
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:15,280
and putting myself through all these different
things over the years was to prepare me

680
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,440
for that one moment. I don't
know, but going back to doctor J

681
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:22,440
I said like, look, I
can't even get through this story. Talking

682
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,599
talking to Jewels about this, I
was like, can you do some sort

683
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,239
of exercise with me, or help
me out here, because I know,

684
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:36,199
you know, we bust chops all
the time. I'm going to tell you

685
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,719
something. He is so good.
Within twenty minutes of just doing something over

686
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:47,360
the phone, I can tell the
story, no problem gone. He rewired

687
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,920
the brain in with what he does. And then Layman's terms basically made my

688
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,800
brain realize I wasn't reliving it and
that everything was okay, but you're here,

689
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,599
and it was It was so so
needed, and you know, I

690
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:10,000
just appreciate. What did you do
any therapy at all during the cancer treatments?

691
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:14,519
Man, that's a heavy stuff.
Did you talk to anybody or talk

692
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,440
therapy or cognitive really? And that
was That was one of the things that

693
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,880
I tried to explain to my parents. I thought I was in denial the

694
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,000
whole time. The way I was
dealing with it and just the perspective that

695
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,079
I had on it was again,
I'm lucky to have what I have.

696
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,880
Don't complain, Let's just get through
it and move on. And that was

697
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,119
for me. It was anything about
denial, It was just okay. I'm

698
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:44,199
always wary of talk therapy for things
because I feel like sometimes it keeps you

699
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:50,360
stuck in the problem instead of finding
the solution, which is basically putting one

700
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,679
foot in front of the other and
moving on and finding the strength to do

701
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:59,800
that. And that because something happened, it's not happening today, which is

702
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,480
sort of what I feel like doctor
j said to you in a way,

703
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,840
right, Jason said, you know
that it's not today, you're you're here.

704
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,440
You're here. Yeah, I can
and because of because of that will

705
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:15,239
to live. Yeah, And I
can see like he literally has people flying

706
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,480
from all over the country to talk
to him, to talk to me with

707
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:25,679
him, and I saw firsthand,
you know, with with what he did

708
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,400
with me. And it's one of
those things where all this trauma that people

709
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:37,039
have, whether it's it could be
anything, you know, veterans and what

710
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,639
they've gone through through war. You
know, I know that he works with

711
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,960
women that are rescued from sex,
slavery, things like that. But you

712
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:50,199
know, you have to rewire your
brain so you're not you know, reliving

713
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:53,599
those moments. And I had like
a speck of a moment compared to like

714
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,559
what the you know, the trauma
people like literally I have like a five

715
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,119
second not even like a three second
whatever, it was where they like,

716
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:09,880
you know, literally I'm fading away
and scared and like this can't be yet.

717
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:15,920
So what does that do for you
in terms of lifestyle change? And

718
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,960
I don't need I don't mean in
terms of eating or any of that.

719
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,920
Maybe nothing. Maybe you just keep
doing what you're doing because you know,

720
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,199
cancer gave you a different perspective.
I don't know, no, you know,

721
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,159
I'm just making you doctors. You
know. I went like super super

722
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:37,000
hardcore hardcore Harry after like and it
was just it was just too much,

723
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:40,960
Like my wife, come on,
you know you can have you know,

724
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:47,239
a little something here, little don't
don't So, you know, low cell

725
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,559
red meats out for the most part, which sucks. But guess what I

726
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:53,920
get. You know, I look
at I got fifty plus years in of

727
00:54:54,599 --> 00:55:00,800
awesome like pork on the smoker,
Like I'm like, oh, that's right,

728
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,639
you had the smoker. I love
it. Yeah, I know,

729
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,760
So so can I still do that
stuff? Yeah? But I mean it

730
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,679
goes back to like a story that
we used to tell when I was doing

731
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,719
college prop at John Marshall High School. When I moved back from Wisconsin,

732
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,960
we talked to these kids in the
AVID program I was coordinating about, uh,

733
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,920
you know this story about a guy
who's a skydiver and you know,

734
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:37,400
his parachute doesn't open and he ends
up crashing and ends up paralyzed, and

735
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,840
you know, rehabs everything, et
cetera, and some you know, it

736
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,599
goes around and was the motivational speaker
after and I don't even know if this

737
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,679
is a legit story, but you
get the you'll get the gist of it.

738
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:52,719
And someone says, well, you
know, aren't just sad about yeah,

739
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,760
the five six hundred things that you
can't do anymore. He's like,

740
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960
I'm more focusing on the fifteen thousand
things that still can do. Right,

741
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,480
So that's not how That's not how
we work well for me now, Yeah,

742
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:07,960
I mean I had the right perspective
on it. Just be like,

743
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,559
look, I got fifty plus years
in of eaten steak, Like some people

744
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,079
can't even need it off the bat, you know, bacon and all that

745
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:21,880
jazz. Can I sacrifice that and
just have chicken and you know, fish,

746
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:25,679
not have the pizza and like really
start getting in like sure, okay,

747
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,599
if that's what it's going to take, it's not that big of a

748
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,320
deal, right, And me feel
better and you're my god it but great.

749
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,199
Give me in terms of life at
this stage, right, you're not

750
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,360
twenty one, right, you're not
getting the cancer bag now. Now you're

751
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,239
in your early fifties. You've got
Can we just say fifty one? Okay,

752
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,880
you're fifty one, I mean early
fifties sounds a lot older. I

753
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,360
don't like that. I don't either, but I mean, I mean you're

754
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,280
in yearly fish, I'm I'm older
than you, so I am. So

755
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,760
that's right everywhere fifties. I like
it that way though it sounds better than

756
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,800
I wish. So the uh but
you've got your kids, You've got that.

757
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,599
Does it change your perspective in terms
of maybe I don't need to go

758
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:16,760
so hard I don't know, playing
soccer whatever, and I need to spend

759
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,400
more time with the people I love. Does it change that at all for

760
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,400
you? You do that anyway?
I mean you have a good hands on

761
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:30,599
dad, yes, but a balance
somewhere. How about how about what and

762
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,880
then I hope I'm not stepping into
something bad? But how about with your

763
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,760
wife? Does it change things?
Like? Hey, you know, this

764
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,760
person is my person and I really
want them to know that that's my person,

765
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,719
because I think a lot of times
we are, having been married,

766
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,679
you take people for granted, or
you get frustrated with things and so you

767
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,079
don't talk and you push stuff down. Does it change all that for you

768
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:55,880
in a little bit, like you're
more communicative communicative if that's the right word,

769
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,599
or is that just you who you've
always been. I think one of

770
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:05,920
my strengths over the years with my
friends, you know, and my wife

771
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,599
knows, like, is I'm a
really good communicator some people. It's it's

772
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:15,199
interesting because my brother and I get
into this discussion. He's like, you're

773
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,000
you're not a good communicator. I'm
like, well, you know what,

774
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:25,320
bro, He's got a completely different
way to communicate. And I'm like,

775
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,880
I don't think I would have been
as successful as a coach if you weren't

776
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,679
and a teacher, professor and now
in business if I was awful like and

777
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,880
I wouldn't have just an amazing support
system of friends if I was an awful

778
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,920
communicator and thank you so so,
and then I have said, I say,

779
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:52,719
well, I think you're an awful
communicator. Because if you think someone

780
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,280
who's who's really good at it is
terrible at it, It's like you look

781
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,840
in the mirror. Then, so
we have this, you know love that

782
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:06,000
we go back and forth. But
he's a very successful businessman and I love

783
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:12,599
him dearly. But no, I
think what it does is it just reinforces

784
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:16,280
the way I have been living since
getting diagnosed with cancer. When we're at

785
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:22,079
Fisher and now it's a little scary, and know, my wife's nervous a

786
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:27,199
little bit because now I have double
the energy like I was doing all that

787
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,400
stuff, you know, he run
the kids around, coaching, you know,

788
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,599
doing my two companies and everything.
Like I have certain things that are

789
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,360
on the agenda that are coming up
in the next six months. I'm really

790
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:45,199
like, I just have so much
more energy to accomplish these things. I

791
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,199
didn't realize. And that's where I
was going is we don't realize sometimes because

792
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:55,480
it's gradual. Yes, I had
no idea that this was how I was

793
00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:00,320
supposed to feel, and I tell
people I have I don't think I felt

794
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,639
this good since since fission. Well, I mean, all we are is

795
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,039
pipes and pumps right inside. When
it comes down to it, it's like

796
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,679
your house, some pump goes,
you go do some pump. Well,

797
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:19,000
the heart the same thing and it's
a little different emotionally, I'm not as

798
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:22,000
emotionally attached to maybe my house.
I mean a great memories in there,

799
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,679
but I know at some point I'm
moving out of this place, right I

800
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:30,719
don't want to be moving out of
here. I find it all pretty interesting.

801
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,559
Let's pause for just one thing and
then and then we'll wrap it up.

802
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:37,920
But kind of think of your you
know, what you would say to

803
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,800
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life? What? What? What should

804
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,800
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848
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it, but I know this has
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849
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:33,599
root it for me. Inspires me
out more now than it did. Oh

850
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:43,639
yeah, yeah that back in black
like yeah, you know yeah. Do

851
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,920
you feel like you got a new
lease on life in any way or did

852
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you just feel like, yeah,
a little bit. It's got to be

853
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weird and the psychology of it's weird, and I think just to go,

854
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,760
well, I'm still here. I'm
just going to keep doing what I've been

855
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,639
doing, right, I don't know. I you always wonder the because uh

856
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,119
we hear people, you know,
there's songs there live like you were dying.

857
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,440
There's all these things, right,
And I've known people who have beaten

858
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:15,039
really tough forms of diseases. Ye, and sometimes they're the same asshole they

859
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,960
were before, you know what,
I mean, still painted the ass and

860
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,440
all that stuff, because you just
you have your habits, you and you

861
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:28,519
know how you live. But you
seem to have changed the habits and gone,

862
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:32,480
I'm gonna suck the marrow out of
life. Yeah. Again, I

863
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:36,320
think that goes back to being twenty
one. Yeah, this is it's a

864
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:42,679
little different because I don't realize that
it almost died. Yeah now yeah,

865
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,360
yeah, I mean that's a little
different than going through cancer treating. Sure,

866
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,719
you know you're you're fighting it along
the way. And but this was

867
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:54,480
do you find yourself saying yes to
more things or even no to some things

868
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:58,320
because it's gonna take your time?
Are you more protective of your time?

869
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,079
Yeah? Yeah no. And I
still get annoyed with people. I mean,

870
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:06,400
I've always you're human. I mean
that's you know, I think I

871
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:12,119
think that that's just something that it's
never going away, you know. But

872
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:17,079
I think that there's some things that
you look at that you want to clear

873
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:20,360
up that maybe you're like you know, when I get some unfinished business with

874
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,519
this, like you know, I
wouldn't want to have that, you know,

875
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,599
not taking care of that before you
die. Really some of those things

876
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,960
in terms of like it's pretty the
only thing that really has changed a little

877
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,000
bit, like you know what personal
relationship stuff in the past. So you're

878
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:41,000
like, you know what, that
person was a jerk, but I should

879
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,119
probably forgive them or you know something
like that. Have you reached out to

880
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,679
anybody I might really good? That's
amazing. Yeah, I think that's that's

881
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:53,840
that's not my my strong point.
Well, as your brother said, not

882
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:59,199
a good communicator, I know.
But what do you mean by you hold

883
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:02,760
grudges? Is that what you're saying
more or less like you you did this

884
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,639
to me, You're over there for
the rest of time, you're in isolation.

885
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,280
I mean there's some people that will
always be in isolation. Well,

886
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:14,400
you have to we need boundaries,
right, yeah, we have to.

887
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:17,559
Yes, pull that thing back up
by you a little bit. There you're

888
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,239
fad and the way there we go
there that better? Yes, way better.

889
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,119
So yeah, I think that there's
certain things. I mean, they

890
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:27,239
wrote a whole book called the bro
Code, you know. Yes, so

891
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:31,719
there's things, you know, when
your relationship with your friends, there's things

892
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:36,400
you know at work, there's there's
certain lines again that should not be crossed.

893
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:43,360
And my upbringing, you know,
loyalty to your friends, right,

894
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,679
you know, work hard and there
you go and then you take care of

895
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:51,320
your family. So you know,
you make sure that you do those things.

896
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:57,960
And I've said, I've said all
along, like hey, if I

897
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,679
if I die tomorrow, I've got
a pretty decent obituary. It's not like

898
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:05,079
I haven't done stuff. It's gonna
it's gonna read. It's gonna read.

899
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:10,920
Okay, Yeah, it's gonna read. Okay. So yeah, you know,

900
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,840
you just you try to help people
along the way. And I know

901
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:23,520
that this with what happened with me, has positively impacted some people in my

902
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:26,880
you know, in my realm because
they're like, you know, I got

903
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,920
started eating a little healthier, and
I want to be you know, having

904
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,800
this happen to me and sneak up
on me and do this that and the

905
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,359
other thing. So yeah, we
got a check. Like again, they

906
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:41,319
told me this thirty years ago that
time, so fast, knuck up,

907
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,279
you know, we we just got
to watch it. So that's one of

908
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,239
the things. What would you say
to people though, kind of like,

909
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,800
is there a I don't know if
there's a meaning to life of this?

910
01:08:54,039 --> 01:09:00,199
I mean, you're here, what
motivation? What would you say to somebody,

911
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,800
say that get after if there's something
that you always wanted to do it.

912
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:11,079
Yeah, whether it's a trip,
whether it's getting out of the profession

913
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:15,399
that you're in, you want to
start something different, you know, get

914
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,399
after it because you only have a
certain number of days left, right,

915
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:26,640
and you've got to maximize it.
And do you do you find yourself valuing

916
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,920
time more or time with people?
I mean, you're giving me time today,

917
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,840
so I do appreciate that. But
I mean I have said, and

918
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:43,520
I believe this, the greatest gift
anybody can give you is their time,

919
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:50,159
correct, And I think that oftentimes
I go, God, I hope I

920
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:54,239
don't treat that as just words,
because sometimes I think I do, because

921
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,159
to me, you got yeah,
I got tomorrow. I got tomorrow.

922
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,760
I got tomorrow, and so does
this other person and whatever. But really

923
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,600
your time, you only have a
finite amount of time, you know.

924
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,239
That was always my argument with the
kids. I would go, I hang

925
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,800
up my keys because I only have
so much time on the planet, and

926
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,560
I want to spend my time looking
for my keys. That's why you need

927
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,279
to put your book back here,
this here, this here, and you

928
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:19,159
know the old dad lecture that I
would give. But the truth is yes,

929
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:21,800
But do I think about I only
have a finite amount of time on

930
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,199
the planet. No, I don't. I do, sure, and we

931
01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:30,560
should because you're right and that you
know. And that's why the Jesse Isler

932
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,039
thing always seems to resonate with me
of how many more times am I going

933
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:39,399
to see this person? How much
more is there going to be? Which

934
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,680
I think is interesting and I think
that's a perspective and it's motivating. I

935
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,319
think what I enjoy the most is
spending time with my family. Yeah,

936
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:54,479
and I realize for a couple of
reasons, A how much longer is it

937
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:59,079
going to be cool to hang out
with dad? Yep? And be that

938
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,319
I really enjoy that. I really
enjoy time with my wife. He enjoyed

939
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:08,319
the time with the kids. So
if I'm spending time and really enjoying that

940
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:12,960
with my friends, like you know, I enjoy I enjoy hanging out with

941
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,159
my friends. So if we're gonna, you know, get together and reminisce

942
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,520
about stuff and uh, you know, take a trip down to Evans,

943
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:30,159
you know, placed on the Chesapeake
for guys weekend, and that that's time

944
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:33,760
well spent while you're here on earth
because you're enjoying it, your own good

945
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:38,880
people that you and you feed off
of that, that it's positive energy.

946
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,520
You're enjoying it. You know,
my son and I went to it was

947
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:48,159
a special guest of Providence Men's Hockey
and we just had a great, great

948
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:53,119
time going to the game. So, you know, road trip, he's

949
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:57,239
listening. We're listening to some eighties
and nineties music and they're like, you

950
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,199
got to listen to Paradise by the
dashboard light for the first time this so

951
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:04,359
yeah, you know, like you
get you know, having those but those

952
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:11,359
yeah, father son moments. You
know, I always think it's creating memories,

953
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,159
right, and hopefully great ones.
And that's look I told him,

954
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:19,279
I said, I said at my
funeral, I told him this today on

955
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:23,479
our way back. I said,
when when you know, we're listening to

956
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,239
some some Elvis two and some Sinatra
And I said, just remember, he

957
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:30,479
said, a dad's funeral. I
said, you gotta play my way,

958
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,159
Yes, yeah, yeah, but
no I would. My advice is is

959
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:39,880
really just get after it. You
know, you hear people say that all

960
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:44,199
the time. But life's too short
to be miserable. You know. When

961
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:48,520
you have that within your power,
sometimes I change it. I think that

962
01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:57,640
for many many people, Uh,
you don't see a way out, so

963
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,920
you think you feel like you're trapped, and that's that's not true. And

964
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:12,079
almost like I think the analogy you
gave about climbing that hill in Wisconsin to

965
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:14,880
the next sidewalk, crack to the
next word whatever, right, the next

966
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,399
line, next line, and I
go, you know, if you're in

967
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,680
financial hell, write it all out, look at all the big stuff and

968
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:28,159
go, okay, what you know, what can I pay double? And

969
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:34,680
then know that I did that.
I did just that satisfaction that first.

970
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:40,039
And they talk about that like with
Stephen Covey, you know seven habits,

971
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:44,279
highly effective people, you know,
and they had this activity where you put

972
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:49,119
the the big rocks in to the
container first and then all the little ones

973
01:13:49,119 --> 01:13:53,840
will fill in and eventually with fill
it in with sand. But you can't

974
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,239
do it the opposite way. You
got to take care of the big things

975
01:13:56,319 --> 01:14:00,399
first, you know, health,
family, money, you know, those

976
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,880
are those are the things and then
everything will fill in after that. But

977
01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:08,319
like life, you know, we
get caught up. We get caught up

978
01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:12,479
in the in the rat rays.
Yes, and sometimes depending on where you're

979
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,199
at in life, it feels like
the NCAA tournament every year Survive in advance.

980
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,560
Every day it's twenty four hours survive
in advance. You really are you

981
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:26,880
really living when you're surviving in advance? It every day you're just scraping to

982
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,000
get through the day. And I
think sometimes we got to take a step

983
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:34,119
back and just reevaluate. Luckily,
you know, I got these scars they

984
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:39,600
see every day that remind me and
you know, my that's the other thing.

985
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,279
I feel like a ninety year old
freaking man now with all the damn

986
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:45,640
pills I gotta take. Okay,
but guess what it's worth. What's the

987
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:50,000
alternative? Right? Dirt? N
app? No? Right, no,

988
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:55,239
no, no, not yet,
No, there's too much get at least

989
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,479
I think I can. I can, I can hit eighty yeah another yeah,

990
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,239
right, yeah, I think that's
I think that's great. I think

991
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:09,520
the perspective on time and getting after
it is an important message for people to

992
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,560
hear over and over and over again
and I would even say, like when

993
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,000
it's the things you don't want to
do that pile up that then become the

994
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:20,840
resistance as to why you're not doing
what you want to do, just do

995
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,960
them for the satisfaction of getting it
done, that feeling of getting it done,

996
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:29,520
having accomplished something. It feels good, and hold on to that.

997
01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:32,680
Yeah, I'm gonna. I can't
remember his name, but he's one of

998
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:40,039
the admirals and he spoke at Texas
graduation years back, and it's a great

999
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:44,359
piece where he talks about advice.
He said the first thing he should do

1000
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:48,119
every morning is make your bed.
Yeah, because you're going to have a

1001
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:53,439
sense of accomplishment that just started out
the day doing something. And if the

1002
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,319
day sucks, you still go home
to a nice made Yeah it is,

1003
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,000
and they're satisfaction and that's all that. That's it, and that'll help you

1004
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:04,840
just get a little bit further.
I think this has been fantastic. I

1005
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,079
appreciate you giving me some time.
I know you came back early from Providence,

1006
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,039
and uh, I hope you enjoy
the game. You can watch with

1007
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:15,000
your son. We're I know we're
gonna we're gonna upset some people neither of

1008
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:18,960
us are Bills fans. I don't
have a team, but he is a

1009
01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:24,520
Titans fan. Okay, so we're
gonna I root for the Bills. They're

1010
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:29,000
so hard, you know. I
feel so bad for my friends, the

1011
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:35,479
New Age Chicago Cubs, like if
there's a way, you know, keeping

1012
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:40,199
venting ways to lose games. Well, they've they've come from a six and

1013
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:43,640
six to where they are. They've
been on a run. So here's here's

1014
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,479
hoping here. Yeah, we will
be watching. We'll be watching because we

1015
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,720
that's one of the things that we
enjoy doing. We enjoy doing that stuff,

1016
01:16:51,119 --> 01:16:55,159
father son stuff. You know,
same thing with my daughter. My

1017
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daughter'll watch sports too, believe So
yeah, well I know she plays hockey

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and she wrestled and wrestling lacrosse.
Yeah, basketball is a new thing,

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so she thinks right now, she's
got the record for falls in the league,

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so she's adjusting to basketball. It's
fantastic. I love it. You

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look great and I think this is
amazing. Thank you for your time,

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and uh, I can't wait till
the thirty. Yeah, that is gonna

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be awesome. For Chris Backey.
I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you tomorrow.

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