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because we were taping this on Sunday before the Bills game, and I know
that everybody's gonna be talking Bills, and we'll get into that and of course
as the week goes on. But Chris Minaki's been on the podcast before.
He and I went to Fisher together thirty years ago, thirty plus years ago,
and he just has kind of an amazing story and I think it's one
of these ones that you know, I pay attention to a lot of guys
who I guess you could put into the motivational category, guys like Jesse Itzler,
and Jesse Itzler will say things like he's married to the Spanks, check
he did the Nicks Go New York, Go New York Go and then he
had the Marquee Jet company and he did coconut water and he sold the Coca
Cola and it's one of these very driven guys. But one of the things
he always says is, you know, you don't know how much time you
have. And if you see your parents four times a year and they're at
a certain age, what do you got? And I think that nobody really
likes to think in terms of that. I think maybe we should do more
of that. But his big thing is like packing more into your life.
And then so when we were at Fisher our senior year, I didn't see
you a lot senior year because you were student teaching and coaching, so you
were off campus quite a bit. And uh, but your room was right
next to mine, so I was, yeah, so I used to.
I mean, but you were always, you know, working, And then
I remember you got sick, but you were still around. That was senior
year, correct. Yeah, So it was non Hodgkins slimp foma Hodgkins Hodgkins
lymphoma, Okay, and you went through treatment for it, but I don't
even remember it being like a big deal. It didn't and I would sounds
terrible to say that, but when I'm just sound awful to be honest,
Yeah, it does because I don't remember it being a big deal because you
didn't slow down. No, I don't remember you like being out or like
all of a sudden I ever said, hey, man, we gotta go
see the archy. I was like, yeah, Crystal, so right.
So that that's why I'm saying like, I don't remember it being a big
deal. I remember it being sort of talked about in the hushed tones a
little bit. But you were always around. So yeah, I had a
couple of surgeries, biopsies, Yeah, staging, livanging, ram things like
that, and you know, maybe I missed a couple of days being in
the hospital here and there, but I finished up my senior year. Yeah,
and I said I did not want to start my treatments until after graduation
because I was, okay, some of my hair, I had to look
pretty for the pictures. Come on, all right, that makes more sense.
So that's that's why, because I remember that there wasn't that stuff.
So what was the treatment at the time? Radiation? Yeah, they staged
me. I did my research and the problem was I was looking at books
from the late eighties. Yeah, I mean no internet back then, so
right looking up and which in a way was a good thing. Well,
yes, and you know, and I was looking at some of the treatments
that I thought they were going to do on me. And I ended up
having radiation treatment for about two plus two and a half months and they needed
to stage meat properly or else. My doctor, even though there was probably
around less than five percent chance that was anywhere else, and you know,
like the three or four different areas that they had they had seen, he
said he wouldn't treat me with just radiation, so I had to go through
which was pretty painful procedure. Color OLYFIANGI Gramm And I remember you were you
were always working to buddy. You actually helped me out with that surgery.
I don't know if you remember you made that metal mixtape for me to get
me through the I remember that the shots portion of it which they had to
go in between each toe, sorry bud, that was about a four four
inch needle and insert that you know, the die so they could see going
and started and then hooked me up to the little motor with the die and
that turned out to be pretty good. And the stitched up the top of
my feet and decided that radiation was a way to go. Okay, so
and then that was the main treatment. There was no correct Okay, let
me move that mic up just a little bit, thanks Boat. So during
that whole time, where were you living at home? So this is the
summer after we graduated, summer after we graduated. I started right after graduation,
and I was living at home, but I really just wanted to be
by myself focus on the treatments. So I actually talked to Evans's mom and
dad and asked if I could stay at their little cottage on Canisius, where
Scott and I had stayed the summer before when we were working. So it
was outside of Geneseo, right on West Lake Road. Sort of focus on
my treatments. And you know, you were driving back and forth the treatment.
Yeah, how did you feel after the treatments? You were able to
drive the treatment? So I only took maybe like thirty seconds on each side.
You know, they put me on the table, put the lead over
me, try to protect as you know, my organs is as much as
they could in the field of radiation. And it only took maybe thirty seconds
on each side, and then I was out. So I mean you're talking
maybe a half an hour thirty minute drive into tire you out at all or
Yeah. The doctors basically said, go by how you feel. And I
didn't want to stop playing soccer. I didn't want to stop, you know,
working out whatever. And you know when you go from one eighty you
know, low one eighties till one thirty two, right in a couple of
months, Yeah, you look like an answer. I mean it would all
yeah bullshit aside you do and so that right, And so you just didn't
want to be seen. Yeah, it was a matter of that, you
know. I just well, here's what I would ask you. I will
ask you this. You seem like you wouldn't want anybody's sympathy. No,
I want to be treated in yeah years, because if you go from one
eighty to one thirty two, that's a fifty pound drop and a guy who
was already very fit, now you look emaciated. Probably it didn't look great,
that's for sure. I mean, And so you wouldn't want someone,
yeah, And you wouldn't want someone saying, oh man, how are you
what's going on? Yeah? Right? Yeah? And I just went honestly,
I just wanted to focus on it. And you know, there was
only one point in time where I was a little freaked out, and that
was when I was going through those books initially at the library. I'm like,
geez, I'm like, I could die from this. And that was
before they brought me in and talked to me about you know, the success
rate and all the advances. Right, well, yeah, I mean that's
thirty plus years ago, but still, you know, this curate was in
the ninety percentile, right, and luckily I found it by accident. You
know, a pretty pretty healthy lifestyle, you know, when I was growing
up and then in college. So how was it found? Just by accident?
I had hurt my back at my summer job at Charlotte Beach, and
through the the testing see what was going on with my back, I had
zero symptoms. And you know, I had a softball tumor between my heart
and my spine with zero symptoms. So who knows what stage I would have
been I would have been in if they had waited to I started having symptoms.
So you go through that. Did you work that summer that summer?
I did not. I didn't work. I was just focusing on the treatments
and then as soon as as fall hit. Let mean, actually I did
work. I worked a couple of basketball camps I did, and I remember
some kids because my hair started falling out, and that's a funny story I'll
never forget. And I forgot that was a side effect of the radiation because
it only hit the back basically the back of my head, not the top
or anything. And with radiation usually you're just going to lose your hair locally,
so you know, the field was basically from you know, my belly
button up until run my jaw in the back of my head. So I'm
sitting at evans parents cottage and they had this old TV up in the corner.
I'm watching The Prices right. That was when they just had the lady
models and now they get you know, the guys on too models now they
do. I know that. I was shocked. They'll get to it.
When I was just recently, I texted my wife, I go, you
realize I'm watching Praises right they got mail bottles on this. She's like,
what's wrong with that? So anyway, so I'm watching The Prices right thirty
plus years ago, and I'm like, what the heck is this hair coming
from? Like? This is gross? It was like is there formerly a
cat here or something like that? And I pull my hands because I have
my hands behind my head and a huge clump of hair is in between my
fingers. I'm like, oh, I forgot about that. It's just so
what do I do? I don't just leave it, you know, being
the idiot that I have. My go to the bathroom with a razor and
I'm trying to look in a small mirror like the two way and shave the
back of my head. And luckily, back then, that was like a
style the skater cut, so it sort of looked like a skater dude.
But I could put my head on backwards and no one can even tell.
But when I was working basketball camps, I remember one of the councilors coming
up and you know, the kids saying, coach, what's up with your
hair? And I lost a bet and had to get a bad haircut.
That's all I told. Tell one of the kids that I had cancer.
That's wow. So all that goes on and you go into I guess remission,
and then after what five years, they say you're looking pretty good after
five years, and then no it's never come back. I was a little
scared, like four plus years ago, but that they actually told me they
misdiagnosed me. Okay, so I don't even think you know this. I
went in for another biopsy and all signs, you know, the pet scan,
everything said that what they saw was going to be cancer. So I
had a biopsy done and the surgeon told me after he said it was cancer,
they just didn't know what type, and that, you know, the
let me know in about a week or so when they get the final pathology
in so Julian and the kids go to Florida. I stayed up here.
They went to Disney, and I just wanted them to have a good time.
I'm like, all right, yeah, just mentally preparing. It's a
lot different than you're single, right, you know, you've got your family.
It's it's completely different. So just getting mentally ready to tackle chemo whatever
and be like I got this, you know. And then this mentality I've
had since basically my first or second treatment, when I saw little kids in
there that had brain cancer and the parents, it was so tough looking at
the parents at twenty one years old, You're looking at parents that realize their
kids are gonna pass away and they're just trying to have them hold on as
long as they can. And these are the toughest little kids ever. And
that's when I basically got them and tell you like, look, I'm never
complaining. I'm never complaining about this. And my parents thought I was going
through with you know, denial, and then I didn't have cancer. I
was just basically I had the right perspective on it. Yeah, so you
know, they I'm recovering from the biopsy four years ago and preparing and we
get a dog. I get a dog. We're gonna take a dog anyways.
I'm like, I'm gonna need this dog around anyways going through I'm probably
going through chemo in my head. And my doctor for the past third years,
you know, calls me up. I go, when do I start?
He goes, what do you mean? So when do I start treatment?
I said, He's gonna go chemo, chemo, radiation, just chemo.
What what are we doing here? He goes, what are you talking
about? He goes, it's not cancer? What do you you want to
talk about? Almost dropping the phone bill? Seriously, I want cried.
I had tears in my as not and I said, what are you talking
about? They told me when it came out of the anesthetia that he's like,
who told you that? So he was pretty upset. So that was,
you know, no problems with that. Luckily it was not cancer.
And which brings us to, you know, basically the perspective of living your
life the way you're supposed to live it. I've done that since Well yeah,
let's let's let's go to that for a couple of things. Because you
touched on one thing. Cancer affects more than the patient. And you're talking
about seeing the parents of young children. You didn't just pop on the planet.
You have parents as well, So how are they and how how were
they? Cancers? I believe toughest on the people around the person. I
think answer sure, and over the years and people that have been touched by
it is basically everyone has been touched by cancer in some way. It's a
club the people that are survivors or have have lost people. And I always
say, no one ever loses the cancer. You just run out of time.
I agree. I don't like the term. I don't like to use
the term this will sound weird, but battle or fight, I like live
with because I think that words have power, and when we're always pushing against,
pushing against, we get more resistance back. But if we're living with,
if we're adjusting to or it just it's just a language and maybe it's
a semantic that is just kind of bs. But I it's how I feel.
I never like that. I have a friend who passed away a few
years ago, who put on a tremendous, you know, tremendous life with
living with cancer and went through all kinds of treatments and things squamous cell,
which can really be quite bad, and went eight years, you know,
really pushing, and then I got the call he goes, it's the end,
and he called me to just say goodbye, and it was one of
the weirdest things. I somebody else was there. It was kind of awkward
at the time, and I always wish I had been a little more effuse.
I didn't know what to say as he was calling sagabye. I didn't
know what to say. He had a great impact on my life, on
my career, and it was strange. But but back to your parents and
stuff, because I got a thing for your you know, your mom,
and uh, I don't know, like they become. I think it almost
sounds like going down to the lake. I find water. This is gonna
be really weird, but I find water very healing, very healing to be
around. It's calming, Let's put it that way. And I think when
we're calmer, we heal better. We just heal better, we deal with
life better. We do that. So I would want to be where you
were, but I also wouldn't want to have the wave of emotion. But
I wouldn't want to be rude to my mother at the same time. Yeah,
it's like I said, it's the toughest on your loved ones friends because
they don't necessarily know how to treat you right. And the advice I've given
people in the cancer world over the years is, look, don't treat that
person any different, and it's very difficult. There's a guy we went to
college with, you were very tight with. I was not you mentioned him
because you stated his like he would seem like a guy who would treat you
as you were you, whether you were one hundred and eighty pounds or one
hundred and thirty pounds. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean
for sure. Evans Scott Evans, Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what
you want. Yep, you want people. That's a that's a really great
friendship you have like that. That's a wonderful. Yeah, I'm blessed with
you know, it's a wonderful Yeah. Fisher Evans. You know there's there,
there's a core of guys that And it was advice my dad gave me.
It was a Fisher grad and he said, luck, he goes,
you're eventually going to college, and he goes, you might still talk to
a couple of people from high school, but you're probably gonna make your lifelong
friends there. And a lot of my dad's advice was really really good.
And it is different though, when your dad and you're looking at you know,
your your child go through something. And I watched my son go through
some awful pain with his appendix a year and a half ago, over the
summer, got misdiagnosed and then a burst, and you know you're helpless,
and and I'm sure that I got a little taste. I did get a
taste of what my parents must have felt like all those years ago. I
think that's part part why I wanted to just sort of remove myself, because
I could feel people were uneasy around me and weren't kind of like on eggshells
a little bit. Yeah. Just you know how many times you want to
say, just you know, I'm good, Like you know, I played
three and three basketball. I lost all my weight because I couldn't eat.
I didn't get sick, I just couldn't eat because my throat was burned so
badly with the radiation. It couldn't protect my esovagus that it felt like pins,
you know, knives, just swallowing you know, a little bit of
water. Right, So see, but you went, I don't play basketball,
which dehydrates you. Yeah, exercise to a degree. I don't like
people saying, well, you won't be able to do this, you won't
be able to well, but I gotta tell you now, I had been
told I misquote the Bible on this, but I thought at one point Jesus
healed people and said go forth and tell no one. And the way I
took that was because when you go back, and you know, maybe he
put it somebody's ear back on it. I don't know, they go,
eh, holyfield, Yeah that's gonna last about a week. You know,
it's coming back, right, you know, And I and I don't think
anybody ever does it on purpose. I think that they, you know,
the love, they're scared, they're concerned, and so they want to say
things to you like rest or, oh my god, don't overdo it or
whatever, and they don't mean bad, but it's frustrating to you because you
know you can and so to eliminate that and eliminate it from your thought process
because once the doubt comes back in, well, then so does the disease,
which is the disease of your body. I don't know. It all
sounds like, you know, I'm telling you to stand in a I don't
know, want a circle out in the sun with a crystal in your left
hand while you're on your balancing on your right foot. It sounds that weird,
But I really think there's some truth to that, and I feel like
in a way, you sort of did that by removing yourself, knowing right,
staying positive, listening to the music you like, the things that made
you feel satisfied and good. Yeah, I think that what you said there's
a lot to the water, and maybe they didn't realize it at the time,
but I just think that it's very calm, right, It's just calming
and it's I love. Yeah, just focused on what I needed to do,
and you know, got got through it. But it was a lot
of perspective. Did you have a cell phone then? No, well not
that you'd know. Did you get it? I mean there's a land line
down there. No, that's what I mean. A cell phone, so
nobody could get to you all the time you went out to fish. You
were out to fish, no one could get you. No, you go
out to fish, now, somebody's good. They could get me on the
landline there. Unluckily there was right. I'm not going to revisit how Evans
floated across the lake to Camp Stellamar. But that's the story for another day,
okay. But I mean all that, okay, So that that gave
you some some peace and some time for yourself mentally, where do you go?
Where do you go? What's going on inside your head? What's going
on inside my head is number one. I'm lucky that I have the type
of cancer that I have. Okay, And that was the perspective. Like
I mentioned, you know, when I play like trucks with these little kids
in the waiting room and seeing you know, the scars in their head,
from multiple brain surgeries and just having the perspective at twenty one years old,
like, hey, I'm really happy that I have this type of cancer and
there's tons of people out there that would want the type of cancer I have
because it's ninety treatable, right. So that's that's where I've been the last
thirty years. Okay, pushing like you're trying to find so much stuff in
what did it teach you to try to fit so much stuff into life?
So almost along the lines of what I started with with Jesse, And you
know, I think that I've, for good or for bad, pushed myself
sometimes a little too much. But you don't know what you what you really
kind of accomplish until you, you know, push your limits. That's I
guess that's the coaching me and that's how you know. I always say that
I wasn't a great athlete, but I was good at sports. There's a
difference, and I had to turn myself into you know, an above average
athlete and just you know, grind it out. So that served me well
over the years in the perspective that I got from there's such cancer. Yeah,
I always worry too, sometimes like people go, well, I got
to grind it out, or I gotta do this, But there's such satisfaction
when you get to the end, you know, when you push yourself and
all of a sudden you're standing there and you've done You've reached a goal,
or let's say you didn't hit the goal, but you're a hell of a
lot further than you were. And if you keep that mindset, I think
is it. It's a really wonderful thing. And as a parent, that's
one of the biggest lessons teaching my kids is taking challenges on. It doesn't
matter, you know, it's the effort that goes in and like you're saying,
the personal growth that you get by taking on something difficult, instead of
saying, oh, I accomplish this, Oh, you're just lowering the bar.
Excuse me. I've pushed my kids to try things that are outside their
comfort zone. And I do understand that the probably the most powerful thing that
you can do for yourself is set a goal that's very difficult to reach and
if you go all in on that and you achieve it, literally will live
the rest of your life knowing that if you want something you can you will
have it. Yeah, I think you can have it. You will have
it if you are willing to pay the price. But that's the problem,
Bill, is that people you know don't want to pay the price for what
they want. Those people are few and far between. Yeah, I often
think that because we say, you know, the thing is like pay the
price, people, I don't want to do it. But if you break
it down to you know, I like a clean, organized place. I'm
a disaster. My goal would be but the satisfaction of being able to find
your keys, not start your Monday morning the fuck I leave those And I
know that's a really simple, simple example, but it's part of what you're
saying, is that, And so you do that, right, and now
I go here, and I go here. I always think like you can't
get from where you are to where you want to be, and then you
start to get dissatisfied and frustrated, and so you're not going to push yourself
in what's the fucking point? But you can get from here to there,
and you're a little bit closer to where you want to be and here to
there and a little bit, whether it's it's diet or whatever, you know,
we were coming into a new year, how many people go I gotta
lose thirty pounds. They go up, they go down, they go up,
they go down. But once you stay the satisfaction you feel, go
with that feeling, and I swear to God, You're going to reach that
goal and prove to yourself as you said, you can have whatever you want.
Yeah, it's the whole idea of how do you eat an elephant?
Yeah, one little bite at a time. And I remember the first year
you could eat a buick if you want to take put my first year out
coaching college in Wisconsin, I put on probably like twenty five pounds. I'm
putting in eighteen twenty twenty one hour days, sleeping at the office. I
mean, I'm out there by myself, no kids, not married, just
success. Actually failure was not an option, so I said, jeez,
I said, I gotta get my butt into shape. And I remember there's
this huge hill, like a San Francisco size hill in Dubukey where where I
was living, by Lauris College. I don't think we have anything around here
like this, and it was near my my condo and I was like,
I'm gonna start running this hill. And I remember day one, I go,
you know, waddled over all chunky, and I look up. I'm
like, jeez, I see you gotta be freaky kidding me, Like what
am I doing? Right? And that I pseg myself out and I'm like
nope. So I said, here's what you're gonna do. All you're gonna
do is look one line in the sidewalk ahead, and then as soon as
you get to that one, you're gonna look at the next one. You're
not gonna look up. And so like the first brilliant That's exactly what I'm
saying. I know. That's why it's a good example. So you know,
eventually, by what week three, I was at the top and then
I started running that and man, I got into just crazy shape. The
kids came back, you know, in early August, and they looked at
me and they're like, oh my god, I go yeah, I'll be
running with you guys too. So that it's phenomenal, it's awesome. That
is that is great. Let's take a moment and then come back because something
else has happened as a result of the treatment, right that they sort of
warned you about. And then what has that changed anything for you don't answer
now, but has that changed anything for you or is it just giving you
satisfaction that you're doing things the right way? And maybe because of the diagnosis
thirty years ago. We'll get into that next. But first, Cobblestone on
Maine at one of nine West Main Street in the village of Webster. I
was with another owner of an establishment and they said to me, Hey,
I was out of Cobblestone on Maine. I've heard you talk about that place.
Oh man, Dan Bresnahan is doing it right now, peer to peer
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in life. If somebody who does something sim says you're doing it right,
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not dying. Yeah, basically, really it does this and Kickstart my Heart
from Motley Crue. Yeah, yeah, a lot of the songs now,
yeah, well kickstart my heart. That that's so you were told thirty years
ago when you were going through the radiation treatment. What do they say to
you? They said that my lungs had been scarred. And you're talking to
someone that could run a mile, as you know, that was the best
conditioned athlete on our soccer team. It could. You know, I think
my times were around like four forty something mile. That's good. It's really
solid, you know, really moving. So I had killer lungs, but
I was not fast, but I could I could run forever. Well,
it's the yeah, the endurance. Right. I was like a middle distance
runner in high school, and so I would be that sub two minute half
mile around that in you know the mile, so that that those are really
good. That's a really good time. And for soccer you're running all the
time. You're always moving on that field. So lungs were scarred because they
could only you know, prevent so much of the radiation from not hitting you
know, my organs. Back then they just basically tried to do an outline
of your organs with lead and block it as best they could. But my
heart was damaged during the radiation treatments, and they knew this, they did.
They told me. They were like, well, you know, and
again you're twenty twenty one, slash turn in twenty two that summer and you're
hearing okay, thirty years down the road, twenty you might have you know,
some issues, more susceptible to heart disease whatever, and you live a
healthy lifestyle. You get after life for three decades, right sort of even
though you're told and you're you go to your cancer checkups and everything's good.
You just in my mind, you know, I'm back this past summer playing
outdoor soccer for the first time in twenty years. Yeah, how was that?
It's great? Yeah? What age group? I mean are they age
group there is? Yeah, Well, you don't want to be with eighteen
year old I couldn't know forty over Okay, I still think I could do
thirty You probably could, I know you do. Of course, well you
should resist you? Oh are you getting resistance from a few people not letting
you in there? No, they're just saying, well, you know,
w don't you just stay where you were? You're doing fine there because I
like the challenge. Yeah, I can understand that recording stuff for a second.
But so, uh, okay, so what give me the day?
Because I'm sure you remember twenty third October twenty third, twenty twenty three.
Yep, so eight twenty three or do excuse me a ten twenty three twenty
three? Correct? Okay? Have infamy? At what time? Five thirty
am? Five thirty am? What are you doing in five thirty eight getting
up to go to the gym? Worko? Okay? And what Jim uh
ATR Fitness? I do you have any gym sponsors on your show? No?
But I do some stuff in embody. I do it boxes, I
will I will give a shout out to a tr FI. Okay, phenomenal
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say enough about it, but I just love going there. But yeah,
five thirday morning, going to a tr fitness Okay, so where are you
in your at your house, at the house down in the man cave,
starting to get ready and rooms starts spinning. Okay, not feeling good?
Yeah do you what do you think is happening? Nothing yet? When the
room starts spinning, I'm like you and I've had give me the happened before,
you know, one time or you know, over the years, where
a little vertigo and I'm like, okay. Then my arm starts hurt.
Now I'm like okay, and then the pain in my chest and I'm like,
oh boy, better get upstairs because you don't have your cel phone on
you down here, you know, so my wife's not gonna wake up until
for another like hour plus to get you know, my daughter ready. I'm
like, So I get up there and I go, you gotta call nine
one one. I haven't heard it. And she looks at me and she
could tell her serious didn't even you know, And I kid that it was
nice of her to call for me, be like, let's just give it
a little bit. Yeah, right, well, because you would, right,
But if you're trying to kill someone. It's just funny. So you
know, I'm like, you know, not feeling good, feeling like I
need to throw up the half bath downstairs and I'm trying to make myself throw
up because I feel so awful and I can't do it. And now I'm
like feeling even more tired. She's on the phone and I'm like, where
are they there? On the way so like, you know, it's a
half bath, so they started got my legs. Now I'm like, I
can't really prop myself up on the toilet anymore because I'm getting so weak,
and I'm just sort of like lying with my head on my forearm. Luckily
we have a very clean bathroom. My head's near the near the toilet.
And finally the you know, they get there and they're like, you know,
can you can you can you move? And I'm like just drag me
out by my feet, you know. They're like, well, we gotta
you know, we can't do that. And then all of a sudden,
I hear my wife say, you know, Bren, stay upstairs. That's
I'm like, and in my head, there's no way in hell I have
my daughter see me like this. So I have no idea how I did
it to this day, but I literally stood up, blasted through the pyramids
and threw myself on the gurney in the front yard, okay, because I
have my daughter see me like that. And then the scary stuff started happening.
They put me in the back and I was, Uh, they give
you one of those pills. What's the pill? Your tongue started a little
faby, so I think they did. But the the pain was pretty damn
bad. And I'm not gonna lie, I was. I was going out,
yeah, and I I said, my my my penance. I told
God, I said, I'm sorry for all the horrible things I've done in
my life. If I left any out, I'm just making a general confession
right now. And I felt like I was slipping away. I'm like this.
For a second, I was like, this can't be, this can't
be, and I can't do this to my kids. And I said,
said my my penance. And then I asked my grandparents to help me.
I was really close with my grandparents, and I said, I gotta just
keep breathing. Mm hmmm, because I stopped breathing. No, I can
flip that around if I keep breathing. I'm not dead. I can't pass
out. And what people have asked me, like, you know, did
you see a light? Did you you know? A yes, I did
for a second, and I looked immediately away from it. And this whole
goal of breathing was the only thing I could do because I literally couldn't even
move my little finger. I was You've seen people get pulled out of the
water, you know, that have drowned, and they're all limp. That's
exactly how it was. I could not move anything, could barely you know,
vocalize a little grunt or someone with the questions that they were asking me,
and the pain was brutal. But the problem was and once you imagine
your sleepiest state when you're just about your you know, your head nods and
you make back up your sleepiest state, but staying at that state for a
good fifteen to twenty minutes and not falling asleep while you're trying to breathe,
and the breathing so labored. It was literally And I've done a lot of
stuff. I mean, I've packed in a lot of stuff in my life,
some difficult you know, things professionally, personally, whatever I would say
that the most difficult thing that I've ever done in my entire life was breathing
from my house to Rochester General. And I said, whatever, one hundred
and twenty five breasts will probably get me there. But every breath was like
the last rep of your last set in the gym, every breath. So
we've all worked out so once you imagine like every breath is your last rep.
And that's how labored it was. And not falling asleep, and I
understand how people, how people can just pass away like that warm feeling was
calling me and I was like I was having none of it. You know,
it could have been so easy for me. Basically just close your eyes
and just tilt your head and you're out. And you think you would have
died if you did that. Well, it was interesting because I brought all
the a bunch of food over to the people at the Webster ambulance when I
got out of the hospital and I talked to them and it's like jeez,
I said, you know, it was crazy, Thank you so much.
And remember one guy was the voice. I don't remember anyone's faces, but
I got to meet him after any big brilly guy, great guy. And
remember him something that they needed because I knew where we were, because I
could feel the turns okay, and I was conscious of that because I knew
I need to keep breathing. And I remember another vehicle pulled up to where
we were on one oh four because they needed some sort of chords or something.
They want to have extra chords in the ambulance or something something to that
effect. And remember the guy saying, you know those things on the top
of this, turn them on and turn on this side and let's off and
go. So I knew it was serious because they told me you're having an
art attack in the ambulance. And but I asked, I said, you
know, I said, can you check and how my blood pressure was?
He's like, yeah, he goes, I can look it up, but
he goes, I can tell you that you were below sixty over thirty.
And then, of course, you know, I had no reference on that.
I look it up and I talked to people, and you know,
he basically was like, I haven't seen really many people, if anything that
I can remember that stayed conscious at that, you know, below however low
I was, and if you're ninety over sixty, that's an emergency. And
I'm sixty over thirty and dropping. So you know, I made it all
the way to the hospital, and you really thinks that had you gone to
that, I wasn't taking a chance. Yeah, And it was funny because
he said, I said. He goes, well, I said, now,
if I had passed out, we'd be having I said, if I
got it even lower and lower and lower. He goes, well, yeah,
we'd be having a different conversation, I said, or we wouldn't have
it be having a conversation. He goes, yeah, but I'm pretty good
at bringing people back, That's what he says to So basically, I was
at the point where I was going to be out and there I was going
to be in cardiac arrest, and that's a whole other animal. So but
I could feel it, and I had ninety ninety nine percent blockage on my
right coronary, which you know they told me from the radiation. Yeah,
because I have no I have no family history. You know, I love
a healthy lifestyle. It's not like I drink excessively. If I have a
couple of drinks a month, that's about right. Or if that I'm not
like five hundred pounds, I'm exercizing, you know, what else is there?
So my cluster was great and it was just okay, maybe some stress
sure, and the cancer. But I remember the doctor. They rushed me
right into the operating room and you know, put the stent in. They
said, you're gonna feel a lot better momentarily. But I could feel them
going all the way up through my uh my wrist in my arm, and
I can't even watch, like, yeah, but you raised because I get
at that point, I'm like, oh, no, of course, do
whatever you need to do. That's that's what I said, how did you
how do you feel now? My God? Like I guess I didn't realize
because I'm always pushing myself, like you know, and it goes back to
my immune system when I get down with my cancer treatments. My first couple
of years teaching in Pittsford, I get a cold. You know, around
kids, immune systems down, You feel miserable, so you just suck it
up and you just get stuff done like quip whining. They just go like,
there's people that are terminal that would love to just have like a cold
or not feel great and be you. So that's what I've been doing for
years so I don't know how how I lost track of how much energy I
should have because they still get everything done right. But now, to answer
your question, I literally feel every day like I'm on ten cups of coffee
because I mean, think about yet nine per blockage of half your heart and
you're still doing all this crap. It's pretty good. That's pretty good,
all right now, Like it's like, lookout, So how long are you
in the hospital. Probably not long two and a half days. Okay,
First thing you do when you get out? First thing I did when I
got out? What did I do? I don't know. I can't remember
what I did? I mean, did you want I don't know. Is
it take your wife out to do something? Oh? Well, all right,
So one of the first things I did is, you know, obviously
I'm talking with my wife, you know, with the kids, And how
is she? By the way, through all that she was she's the best,
Like I married out big time. Yeah, I'm saying, yeah,
I don't know, I don't know, but I mean she seems like a
lovely woman. I'm not she was such, you know, just a rock
through the whole thing. But how is she emotionally with this? I think
when it's all over, it's got to be like shoo, Yeah, it's
a huge relief, yes, but it's got to be a wave, a
tidal wave of like everything's got to be sort of yes, but so well,
at least you knew you were loved. She could have been like,
yeah, I gotta give them a little bit that prick. So you know,
we're sitting on the couch and just trying to sort of talk through yeah,
and I can't. I can't get through that one piece where I thought
I was done. You know she's at you know, I said, and
I would start talking about it, you know, break down like it makes
makes sense. So the question is like why, and you're gonna love this,
Why would I now be able to tell this whole story? And I
get to that part where I was almost basically dead thinking about my kids and
being like I can't go out this way because you know, even know me
off all these years, if I'm gonna die, I've got to get you
know, attacked by a bear. I gotta be stopping a terrorist. I
can't die of a heart attack. It's got to be something cool, you
know. It's got to be way better than he died of a freaking heart
attack. It's like something you know, so there's other ways, but you
know we're talking about and I'm like, I emotionally, this has affected me
greatly. I can't go any longer. And it's only been a couple of
days not being able to get through this part of the story and like be
an emotional wreck. So I had to put the call in to doctor J.
Yeah, doctor J, who I've talked about on this podcast because his
mom was so hot and I used to run in and sniff the cushion when
she was there. You always get to say that I do. I did.
I just want people to know that that guy is a stand up guy
and I was not. So he's a psychologist, is doctor the leading psychologists
for for trauma resolution. And I was like, Jay, here's what's going
on, and he's you know, he knew, he you know, he
texted me the day of like people knew in the in the small circles of
because that was kind of keeping it close to the vest a little bit.
And I'm like, you know, it's a little embarrassing, but then like,
why well, because it's me number one, But that's whatever, that's
your ego, right, So then I'm like, fine, I don't even
care. That's why we're here today. I think, you know, well,
I think it's a book service announcement like this story too though out there,
Yes, but I like the the whole thing of you've never you don't
give up no, and you know that's the thing, like you you're gonna
live that ride over that those those brats, every breath it could have just
I could have easily just nodded every single one. It was so labored bill
to just to do, just to breathe and exhale, and it was like
if I stopped doing this and I could be dead. So it was you
know, I guess leading up to to all these things like maybe like difficult
things that you do, like you were an athlete. I was an athlete.
You know, we train, we push ourselves. Why are we pushing
ourselves? Like what prepares us for that moment? Maybe all this crazy stuff
and putting myself through all these different things over the years was to prepare me
for that one moment. I don't know, but going back to doctor J
I said like, look, I can't even get through this story. Talking
talking to Jewels about this, I was like, can you do some sort
of exercise with me, or help me out here, because I know,
you know, we bust chops all the time. I'm going to tell you
something. He is so good. Within twenty minutes of just doing something over
the phone, I can tell the story, no problem gone. He rewired
the brain in with what he does. And then Layman's terms basically made my
brain realize I wasn't reliving it and that everything was okay, but you're here,
and it was It was so so needed, and you know, I
just appreciate. What did you do any therapy at all during the cancer treatments?
Man, that's a heavy stuff. Did you talk to anybody or talk
therapy or cognitive really? And that was That was one of the things that
I tried to explain to my parents. I thought I was in denial the
whole time. The way I was dealing with it and just the perspective that
I had on it was again, I'm lucky to have what I have.
Don't complain, Let's just get through it and move on. And that was
for me. It was anything about denial, It was just okay. I'm
always wary of talk therapy for things because I feel like sometimes it keeps you
stuck in the problem instead of finding the solution, which is basically putting one
foot in front of the other and moving on and finding the strength to do
that. And that because something happened, it's not happening today, which is
sort of what I feel like doctor j said to you in a way,
right, Jason said, you know that it's not today, you're you're here.
You're here. Yeah, I can and because of because of that will
to live. Yeah, And I can see like he literally has people flying
from all over the country to talk to him, to talk to me with
him, and I saw firsthand, you know, with with what he did
with me. And it's one of those things where all this trauma that people
have, whether it's it could be anything, you know, veterans and what
they've gone through through war. You know, I know that he works with
women that are rescued from sex, slavery, things like that. But you
know, you have to rewire your brain so you're not you know, reliving
those moments. And I had like a speck of a moment compared to like
what the you know, the trauma people like literally I have like a five
second not even like a three second whatever, it was where they like,
you know, literally I'm fading away and scared and like this can't be yet.
So what does that do for you in terms of lifestyle change? And
I don't need I don't mean in terms of eating or any of that.
Maybe nothing. Maybe you just keep doing what you're doing because you know,
cancer gave you a different perspective. I don't know, no, you know,
I'm just making you doctors. You know. I went like super super
hardcore hardcore Harry after like and it was just it was just too much,
Like my wife, come on, you know you can have you know,
a little something here, little don't don't So, you know, low cell
red meats out for the most part, which sucks. But guess what I
get. You know, I look at I got fifty plus years in of
awesome like pork on the smoker, Like I'm like, oh, that's right,
you had the smoker. I love it. Yeah, I know,
So so can I still do that stuff? Yeah? But I mean it
goes back to like a story that we used to tell when I was doing
college prop at John Marshall High School. When I moved back from Wisconsin,
we talked to these kids in the AVID program I was coordinating about, uh,
you know this story about a guy who's a skydiver and you know,
his parachute doesn't open and he ends up crashing and ends up paralyzed, and
you know, rehabs everything, et cetera, and some you know, it
goes around and was the motivational speaker after and I don't even know if this
is a legit story, but you get the you'll get the gist of it.
And someone says, well, you know, aren't just sad about yeah,
the five six hundred things that you can't do anymore. He's like,
I'm more focusing on the fifteen thousand things that still can do. Right,
So that's not how That's not how we work well for me now, Yeah,
I mean I had the right perspective on it. Just be like,
look, I got fifty plus years in of eaten steak, Like some people
can't even need it off the bat, you know, bacon and all that
jazz. Can I sacrifice that and just have chicken and you know, fish,
not have the pizza and like really start getting in like sure, okay,
if that's what it's going to take, it's not that big of a
deal, right, And me feel better and you're my god it but great.
Give me in terms of life at this stage, right, you're not
twenty one, right, you're not getting the cancer bag now. Now you're
in your early fifties. You've got Can we just say fifty one? Okay,
you're fifty one, I mean early fifties sounds a lot older. I
don't like that. I don't either, but I mean, I mean you're
in yearly fish, I'm I'm older than you, so I am. So
that's right everywhere fifties. I like it that way though it sounds better than
I wish. So the uh but you've got your kids, You've got that.
Does it change your perspective in terms of maybe I don't need to go
so hard I don't know, playing soccer whatever, and I need to spend
more time with the people I love. Does it change that at all for
you? You do that anyway? I mean you have a good hands on
dad, yes, but a balance somewhere. How about how about what and
then I hope I'm not stepping into something bad? But how about with your
wife? Does it change things? Like? Hey, you know, this
person is my person and I really want them to know that that's my person,
because I think a lot of times we are, having been married,
you take people for granted, or you get frustrated with things and so you
don't talk and you push stuff down. Does it change all that for you
in a little bit, like you're more communicative communicative if that's the right word,
or is that just you who you've always been. I think one of
my strengths over the years with my friends, you know, and my wife
knows, like, is I'm a really good communicator some people. It's it's
interesting because my brother and I get into this discussion. He's like, you're
you're not a good communicator. I'm like, well, you know what,
bro, He's got a completely different way to communicate. And I'm like,
I don't think I would have been as successful as a coach if you weren't
and a teacher, professor and now in business if I was awful like and
I wouldn't have just an amazing support system of friends if I was an awful
communicator and thank you so so, and then I have said, I say,
well, I think you're an awful communicator. Because if you think someone
who's who's really good at it is terrible at it, It's like you look
in the mirror. Then, so we have this, you know love that
we go back and forth. But he's a very successful businessman and I love
him dearly. But no, I think what it does is it just reinforces
the way I have been living since getting diagnosed with cancer. When we're at
Fisher and now it's a little scary, and know, my wife's nervous a
little bit because now I have double the energy like I was doing all that
stuff, you know, he run the kids around, coaching, you know,
doing my two companies and everything. Like I have certain things that are
on the agenda that are coming up in the next six months. I'm really
like, I just have so much more energy to accomplish these things. I
didn't realize. And that's where I was going is we don't realize sometimes because
it's gradual. Yes, I had no idea that this was how I was
supposed to feel, and I tell people I have I don't think I felt
this good since since fission. Well, I mean, all we are is
pipes and pumps right inside. When it comes down to it, it's like
your house, some pump goes, you go do some pump. Well,
the heart the same thing and it's a little different emotionally, I'm not as
emotionally attached to maybe my house. I mean a great memories in there,
but I know at some point I'm moving out of this place, right I
don't want to be moving out of here. I find it all pretty interesting.
Let's pause for just one thing and then and then we'll wrap it up.
But kind of think of your you know, what you would say to
people to get the most out of life? What? What? What should
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it, but I know this has a different beating for you completely. You'll
root it for me. Inspires me out more now than it did. Oh
yeah, yeah that back in black like yeah, you know yeah. Do
you feel like you got a new lease on life in any way or did
you just feel like, yeah, a little bit. It's got to be
weird and the psychology of it's weird, and I think just to go,
well, I'm still here. I'm just going to keep doing what I've been
doing, right, I don't know. I you always wonder the because uh
we hear people, you know, there's songs there live like you were dying.
There's all these things, right, And I've known people who have beaten
really tough forms of diseases. Ye, and sometimes they're the same asshole they
were before, you know what, I mean, still painted the ass and
all that stuff, because you just you have your habits, you and you
know how you live. But you seem to have changed the habits and gone,
I'm gonna suck the marrow out of life. Yeah. Again, I
think that goes back to being twenty one. Yeah, this is it's a
little different because I don't realize that it almost died. Yeah now yeah,
yeah, I mean that's a little different than going through cancer treating. Sure,
you know you're you're fighting it along the way. And but this was
do you find yourself saying yes to more things or even no to some things
because it's gonna take your time? Are you more protective of your time?
Yeah? Yeah no. And I still get annoyed with people. I mean,
I've always you're human. I mean that's you know, I think I
think that that's just something that it's never going away, you know. But
I think that there's some things that you look at that you want to clear
up that maybe you're like you know, when I get some unfinished business with
this, like you know, I wouldn't want to have that, you know,
not taking care of that before you die. Really some of those things
in terms of like it's pretty the only thing that really has changed a little
bit, like you know what personal relationship stuff in the past. So you're
like, you know what, that person was a jerk, but I should
probably forgive them or you know something like that. Have you reached out to
anybody I might really good? That's amazing. Yeah, I think that's that's
that's not my my strong point. Well, as your brother said, not
a good communicator, I know. But what do you mean by you hold
grudges? Is that what you're saying more or less like you you did this
to me, You're over there for the rest of time, you're in isolation.
I mean there's some people that will always be in isolation. Well,
you have to we need boundaries, right, yeah, we have to.
Yes, pull that thing back up by you a little bit. There you're
fad and the way there we go there that better? Yes, way better.
So yeah, I think that there's certain things. I mean, they
wrote a whole book called the bro Code, you know. Yes, so
there's things, you know, when your relationship with your friends, there's things
you know at work, there's there's certain lines again that should not be crossed.
And my upbringing, you know, loyalty to your friends, right,
you know, work hard and there you go and then you take care of
your family. So you know, you make sure that you do those things.
And I've said, I've said all along, like hey, if I
if I die tomorrow, I've got a pretty decent obituary. It's not like
I haven't done stuff. It's gonna it's gonna read. It's gonna read.
Okay, Yeah, it's gonna read. Okay. So yeah, you know,
you just you try to help people along the way. And I know
that this with what happened with me, has positively impacted some people in my
you know, in my realm because they're like, you know, I got
started eating a little healthier, and I want to be you know, having
this happen to me and sneak up on me and do this that and the
other thing. So yeah, we got a check. Like again, they
told me this thirty years ago that time, so fast, knuck up,
you know, we we just got to watch it. So that's one of
the things. What would you say to people though, kind of like,
is there a I don't know if there's a meaning to life of this?
I mean, you're here, what motivation? What would you say to somebody,
say that get after if there's something that you always wanted to do it.
Yeah, whether it's a trip, whether it's getting out of the profession
that you're in, you want to start something different, you know, get
after it because you only have a certain number of days left, right,
and you've got to maximize it. And do you do you find yourself valuing
time more or time with people? I mean, you're giving me time today,
so I do appreciate that. But I mean I have said, and
I believe this, the greatest gift anybody can give you is their time,
correct, And I think that oftentimes I go, God, I hope I
don't treat that as just words, because sometimes I think I do, because
to me, you got yeah, I got tomorrow. I got tomorrow.
I got tomorrow, and so does this other person and whatever. But really
your time, you only have a finite amount of time, you know.
That was always my argument with the kids. I would go, I hang
up my keys because I only have so much time on the planet, and
I want to spend my time looking for my keys. That's why you need
to put your book back here, this here, this here, and you
know the old dad lecture that I would give. But the truth is yes,
But do I think about I only have a finite amount of time on
the planet. No, I don't. I do, sure, and we
should because you're right and that you know. And that's why the Jesse Isler
thing always seems to resonate with me of how many more times am I going
to see this person? How much more is there going to be? Which
I think is interesting and I think that's a perspective and it's motivating. I
think what I enjoy the most is spending time with my family. Yeah,
and I realize for a couple of reasons, A how much longer is it
going to be cool to hang out with dad? Yep? And be that
I really enjoy that. I really enjoy time with my wife. He enjoyed
the time with the kids. So if I'm spending time and really enjoying that
with my friends, like you know, I enjoy I enjoy hanging out with
my friends. So if we're gonna, you know, get together and reminisce
about stuff and uh, you know, take a trip down to Evans,
you know, placed on the Chesapeake for guys weekend, and that that's time
well spent while you're here on earth because you're enjoying it, your own good
people that you and you feed off of that, that it's positive energy.
You're enjoying it. You know, my son and I went to it was
a special guest of Providence Men's Hockey and we just had a great, great
time going to the game. So, you know, road trip, he's
listening. We're listening to some eighties and nineties music and they're like, you
got to listen to Paradise by the dashboard light for the first time this so
yeah, you know, like you get you know, having those but those
yeah, father son moments. You know, I always think it's creating memories,
right, and hopefully great ones. And that's look I told him,
I said, I said at my funeral, I told him this today on
our way back. I said, when when you know, we're listening to
some some Elvis two and some Sinatra And I said, just remember, he
said, a dad's funeral. I said, you gotta play my way,
Yes, yeah, yeah, but no I would. My advice is is
really just get after it. You know, you hear people say that all
the time. But life's too short to be miserable. You know. When
you have that within your power, sometimes I change it. I think that
for many many people, Uh, you don't see a way out, so
you think you feel like you're trapped, and that's that's not true. And
almost like I think the analogy you gave about climbing that hill in Wisconsin to
the next sidewalk, crack to the next word whatever, right, the next
line, next line, and I go, you know, if you're in
financial hell, write it all out, look at all the big stuff and
go, okay, what you know, what can I pay double? And
then know that I did that. I did just that satisfaction that first.
And they talk about that like with Stephen Covey, you know seven habits,
highly effective people, you know, and they had this activity where you put
the the big rocks in to the container first and then all the little ones
will fill in and eventually with fill it in with sand. But you can't
do it the opposite way. You got to take care of the big things
first, you know, health, family, money, you know, those
are those are the things and then everything will fill in after that. But
like life, you know, we get caught up. We get caught up
in the in the rat rays. Yes, and sometimes depending on where you're
at in life, it feels like the NCAA tournament every year Survive in advance.
Every day it's twenty four hours survive in advance. You really are you
really living when you're surviving in advance? It every day you're just scraping to
get through the day. And I think sometimes we got to take a step
back and just reevaluate. Luckily, you know, I got these scars they
see every day that remind me and you know, my that's the other thing.
I feel like a ninety year old freaking man now with all the damn
pills I gotta take. Okay, but guess what it's worth. What's the
alternative? Right? Dirt? N app? No? Right, no,
no, no, not yet, No, there's too much get at least
I think I can. I can, I can hit eighty yeah another yeah,
right, yeah, I think that's I think that's great. I think
the perspective on time and getting after it is an important message for people to
hear over and over and over again and I would even say, like when
it's the things you don't want to do that pile up that then become the
resistance as to why you're not doing what you want to do, just do
them for the satisfaction of getting it done, that feeling of getting it done,
having accomplished something. It feels good, and hold on to that.
Yeah, I'm gonna. I can't remember his name, but he's one of
the admirals and he spoke at Texas graduation years back, and it's a great
piece where he talks about advice. He said the first thing he should do
every morning is make your bed. Yeah, because you're going to have a
sense of accomplishment that just started out the day doing something. And if the
day sucks, you still go home to a nice made Yeah it is,
and they're satisfaction and that's all that. That's it, and that'll help you
just get a little bit further. I think this has been fantastic. I
appreciate you giving me some time. I know you came back early from Providence,
and uh, I hope you enjoy the game. You can watch with
your son. We're I know we're gonna we're gonna upset some people neither of
us are Bills fans. I don't have a team, but he is a
Titans fan. Okay, so we're gonna I root for the Bills. They're
so hard, you know. I feel so bad for my friends, the
New Age Chicago Cubs, like if there's a way, you know, keeping
venting ways to lose games. Well, they've they've come from a six and
six to where they are. They've been on a run. So here's here's
hoping here. Yeah, we will be watching. We'll be watching because we
that's one of the things that we enjoy doing. We enjoy doing that stuff,
father son stuff. You know, same thing with my daughter. My
daughter'll watch sports too, believe So yeah, well I know she plays hockey
and she wrestled and wrestling lacrosse. Yeah, basketball is a new thing,
so she thinks right now, she's got the record for falls in the league,
so she's adjusting to basketball. It's fantastic. I love it. You
look great and I think this is amazing. Thank you for your time,
and uh, I can't wait till the thirty. Yeah, that is gonna
be awesome. For Chris Backey. I'm Bill Moran. We'll see you tomorrow.
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