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Hudson River Radio dot Com. This
is Travis Walton and you are listening to

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UFO Headquarters, beautiful Headquarters. And
hello everyone, welcome to another exciting episode.

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We are live once again. Mike. We are all listen to the

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crowd. We are at the famous
Pine Bush UFO Fair having a great time.

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It's finally a beautiful day. Yes, and we have an awesome,

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awesome crowd listening to us. Because
yes, they're just like us. They

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love this Stu. I love this
though. All right, So you have

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cop sightings. I believe I do. I do, and I'm sure most

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of our listeners know that I am
a retired police officer. I did do

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twenty two years. The bulk of
that service was as an investigator detective,

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so I do know a little bit
about investigating. Yeah, the people on

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television, yes, exactly, thank
you. I didn't have to say at

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this time. But I did have
homicides and stuff, and I did retire

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as a sergeant. And I'm going
to start with a Port Jervis sighting.

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So this is going to be my
hometown and I'm going to actually read directly

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to you from the police blotters of
the time. I can't tell you how

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extremely rare it is to get anything
official from a police department about anything paranormal,

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let alone a UFO. Can you
just explain what a blotter is so

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a blotter, especially back I'm going
to be in the sixties where big bounds

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the ledger books basically with numbered pages, and they would just basically write everything

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they did that day, you know, starting at six o'clock am. You

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know, crossed missus Smith at the
intersection, handled accident, you know,

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someone called about a barking dot.
Actually it's funny when I read him,

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they yield the same nonsense that I
dealt with for twenty two years. Nothing's

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changed, just a different level.
But it was basically everything that happened,

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and then the officers would come in
if they handled something, and they would

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write what they did. Did they
write a ticket, did they handle a

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burglary? Call? Very sophisticated system. Now it's all replaced by computers.

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Port Jervis I believe goes back to
the nineteen twenties, which is so rare

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up until the seventies when they switched
to a different format. So when Linda

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first contacted me, she saw a
reference to it right in a newspaper article.

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I'm like, I'm going to the
blotters, and so I am going

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to read to you directly from the
blotters, and I'm going to mention an

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officer quite a bit at the time. His name was Frank Massinatti, and

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I just want you to know a
little bit about the man that is reporting

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some of this because he was a
no nonsense cop. He was an eighty

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veteran of World War Two, so
he probably knew a little bit about what

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he was seeing. No nonsense,
very serio, used to straightforward on the

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job. Off the job a gooster, but on the job now very smart.

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He rose to the ranks, became
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became chief, he had the chief
he had like one of the highest stores

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scores in the state. So very
smart man. He was chief for a

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long time. I talked to his
family. He never mentioned it to him,

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but they said that this is something
his daughter said he would never make

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something like this up. So a
lot of credibility from the witness, even

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though I never personally met him that
I remember. So let's go to September

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twenty second, nineteen sixty five.
I wasn't even born yet rub it in

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Oh, I thought you were sixty
six, you were born So this is

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going to be Officer Massinatti entering his
blodder nine to fifty six pm answered call

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to Paul hess HES's store, Kingston
Avenue, who said that he's seen circular

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objects in the sky with yellow,
red, and green lights pointed at pointed

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it out me and in the north
by northeastern section of the sky low stars

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was a bright white star with red
and green lights circling same very bright in

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colors when seen through binoculars. Could
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seemed to be traveling north by northeast
to south by southwest very slowly. That

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signed Massinatti. So Paul haus was
a longtime store owner. In fact,

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his family I think still owns the
store. Oh wow. So he didn't

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have any incentive to make himself the
crackpot of town if he had no store

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town, especially right being a longtime
residence. So then we're going to fast

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forward a couple of days and we're
going to go to September twenty fifth,

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one twenty five pm. And there's
not much else about this. I couldn't

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follow find any follow up, but
a detective Wagner, who I knew growing

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up, made a note at one
twenty five pm that A Ronald Velton from

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Tri County Filter Center at Fosterdale,
New York. Where is Fosterdale? Oh,

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that's out more towards Pennsylvania, is
it okay? Informed headquarters he came

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in to inform them that he will
be coming back for information on unidentified flying

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objects. Okay, So he was
coming to the cops to get more information.

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So obviously he saw. I don't
know if he ever came back.

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There's no further note, but the
detective Wagner at the time must have been

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on the desk felt it was necessary
to document it. So I found that

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very interesting. That same day,
September twenty fifth, nine o'clock PM at

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nine oh four to be specific,
this is an entry by Lieutenant Coswick,

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so he was a desk officer at
the time and he would have been this

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down based upon Massinati making a report
to him, probably on the radio nine

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oh four pm. Officer Massinatti reports
he observes the same object with green,

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red and white lights in the northern
sky that he saw Wednesday night. So

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now it's the officer making the report. I find interesting. Again, not

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something you're gonna report if you don't
see it, especially back in this yet,

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because cops get correct me if I'm
wrong. Brian and Mike they kind

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of make fun of one another once
in a while. Sometimes they rib each

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other, Oh yeah, yeah,
you don't want to set yourself up for

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ridicule. The locker room is more
dangerous than any crime, let me tell

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you. I used to say it's
more dangerous getting suited up than it is

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once you leave the door, especially
with the knives in the back sometimes.

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But Brian can't understand that too.
But it's interesting. But also this was

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an official record, right, so
it took a lot for somebody of that

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standing to put it on the record. Right. If you were lying about

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this as today, that would have
been a disciplinary issue, would have been

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a violation of the roles and regulations. So there's no way he's making that

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up. He's he's seeing something now. In September twenty seventh, at eight

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thirty pm, a Jean Smith and
a Danny Mudrick of Butler Trailer Park,

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And that's up by me where I
live in Sparabush, New York. And

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it's still there. It's not in
Port Jervis, but they must have made

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the report report a disc shaped object
with rotating red lights traveling at great speed,

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low and no sound seen by them. These were two separate calls at

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about the same time, so they
weren't calling together. They called independently of

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one another to report what they saw. So that's again, so these sightings

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are piling up over the course of
days, and that's the desk officer was

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Chant at the time, and again
he was another no none. All those

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guys back then were no nonsense,
you know, very very serious. Now

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here's what I think is my favorite
entry, and I think we'll explain a

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little bit more about this. That
same night, September twenty seventh, at

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ten pm, the desk officer Chant
made an entry Major work Stuart Air Force

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Base phoned and inquired about flying objects. Claims he is swamped by phone calls

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from people in Port Jervis, Middletown
and Goshen reporting all kinds of objects in

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the sky. I informed him we
had several calls regarding reporting objects in the

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sky, but I myself had not
seen any. Stuart Air Force Base at

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the time was a hub of Project
Blue Book, so that was yeah,

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a lot of you things were going
on there, so maybe that's why people

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thought to call yeah there and I
never was able to with that swamped with

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swamped with calls. And I can
tell you in twenty two years of police

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work, I can't ever think of
anybody from the military calling unless it was

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a background check on someone enlisting.
So that that's pretty in a major Nonetheless,

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that's yeah, you're getting up high
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if anybody listening those of a major
work was that Stuart Air Force Base in

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the sixties. I've been unable to
really find any information about him, and

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trying to google major works you're at
air Force base, it just brings up

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major work projects. But Stewart Airport, so I can tell you the history

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of construction, But if anybody knows
of the major work that may have been

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stationed there, I would love to
get a little bit more information about him.

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Maybe he's still around, you know. So now we're going to go

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ahead to September twenty ninth. Now
this may or may not have been a

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UFO, but it's on than usual. I've never really come across to it,

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and going through other blotterers of the
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ninth, at four fifty five pm, a Missus Monica Kozakowski, who lives

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at Franklin in Church Street, reports
an explosion some distance off jarred her house,

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causing a sixty nine dollars mirror to
fall and break. And here's the

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best part, and she wants someone
to pay for it. Lieutenant Coslic at

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the time, who took this report, advised her it could possibly be a

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sonic boom and it would be almost
impossible to determine liability. Yeah, send

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your bill to the Air Force.
Good luck, hey for effort for traun

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well sixty nine dollars mirror in the
sixties, what what was it? Solid

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gold? I wouldn't pay sixty dollars
for a mirror to that, just glass

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and reflecting. So then the last
end you that even comes close to it

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is October fifth to twenty am.
Massinatti again answered a call to missus it

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looks like ruper, Oh, no
grouper. Fowler Street, who reported that

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she could see a light going on
and off up towards Ridge Avenue, could

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not find no wires arcing, could
be street lights. She seen with trees

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blowing back and forth giving an illusion
of a light going off and on.

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Could be, but I'm again,
when you live somewhere, you kind of

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get used to what it looks like
when you look out your window. Yeah,

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she should know what it looks like
when the wind's blowing and the light's

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going on and off. So we
mentioned I was going to talk about all

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these other How are we doing on
time? By the way, Brian,

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we're good. Oh, we're gonna
take a break. We're gonna take our

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break real quick, and then we'll
come back and really delve into this.

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This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station. This

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To So, the Project Blue Book files

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are available online, at least what
they've released. I mean, who knows

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what they didn't release. They kept
the good ones. I decided to look

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around nineteen sixty five, around you
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the Hudson Valley. What kind of
reports were they getting? These are coming

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out of Stuart Air Force Base reporting
Now, so this is Stuart Air Force

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Base. As Linda said, it
was part of Project Blue Book. So

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this one on September twenty seventh,
nineteen sixty five Swan Lake, New York.

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It's in Ulster County, I believe
by Sliman by Liberty right Sullivan.

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And I'm just gonna give you the
summary. And this is the summary from

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the Air Force. By the way, observer watched a white disk make a

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shallow dive then proceed into a climbing
turn. The object was just like a

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bright light to the naked eye.
It is uncertain what asmuth the object was

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spotted because the road is quite wanding
winding. The observer is uncertain of asthmuth

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of disappearance. Also, description and
photos are consistent with that of a balloon

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sighting. I like how they go
right to the balloon sting always the balloon.

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It's yeah, and I believe this
one does have photos. Of course,

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you know they don't reproduce. Well, no, they're photo copied,

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yeah, file and scan so yeah, good luck getting originals. Yeah,

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but they are on line and they
did have them cleaned up because the photos

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in the original file were worse,
and then they did actually send them off

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because you see something, but it's
very hard. It came back from the

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Foreign Technology Division, so they thought
enough of it to send it for analysis.

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If it was a balloon, why
are you sending it to the Foreign

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Technology Division? Right? So if
you do find this report online you can

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see the original photos. Then you
can see the photos as having been analyzed

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and you know, cleaned up,
and it is hard to see even on

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now because again the reproductions are just
not where they should be. Anybody know

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where Dunkirk, New York is?
Where is that? Is that upstate or

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is that? Yeah to the west
western. So Dunkirk was also seeing things

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at exactly the same time they had
a report with it. Here. I

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printed up stuff about the chief in
case they had questions about them. But

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this was on September twenty third,
so right around the beginning in the Port

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Jervis wave. Dunkirk Police received a
number of telephone calls Wednesday evening in regards

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to an unidentified flying object in the
sky. Lieutenant Edward Moulville and Patrolman Ally

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Sooys Sazynski stated that they observed the
object and that it was a satellite.

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Satellite can often be seen on clear
nights. I I don't know, I

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don't think so. Again, so
we have a wave going on in New

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York at this time, So let's
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for on the same period. This
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before. I'll just summarize this a
little bit. Glenn's Fall area skies may

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once again have been invaded by mysterious
objects. At least, sightings of unidentified

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flying objects were reported in Corinth and
South Glen's Falls last night, so that

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would have been August twenty fifth.
In Corinth, the sightings like a balloonful

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of water were made. I'm not
going to read the whole article. The

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unidentified flying object, a balloon full
of water apparently balloon fall of what quite

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a description was seen at about eight
forty five southeast of Corinth, disappearing into

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the northeast. It was reported to
be about ten times the size of a

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star and was orange and color and
round in shape except for a slight bulge

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at the bottom. That's the water
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I kind of understand what they're explaining
now. Yeah, it was visible on

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the horizon for about three minutes,
and they also saw it the previous evening

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that this water balloon was hovering around
for two days. I see now in

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South Glen Falls, the State Police
received reports. So now the state police

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received reports of unidentified flying objects,
and they themselves. The state police reported

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seeing it themselves. At about ten
pm in the Western sky troopers reported seeing

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a light swinging in a big circle
parallel with the ground. Do water balloons

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do that? I don't know on
July twenty six. In August six reports

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of mysterious objects were received from area
residents. The reports, however, we're

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not similar. The first sightings were
of a silver saucer, the second two

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bright lights shimmering and egg get shaped. Egg shaped? Yep, egg shaped?

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So coour the wind's gonna barthing away. That's for those of you not

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here. It's a little windy.
And Mike's notes are yeah, scattering.

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So I found that interesting though,
because again it's all within the same timeframe.

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We have local police, state police
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Dunkirk. Yeah, these things never
occur in isolation, it seems. The

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more we when you get a report, it might seem like it's an isolated

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incident until you just dig a little
bit beneath the surface and all of a

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sudden you say, something is going
on. Now, remember when I talked

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about Major Work. He mentioned they
were being you know, swamped with calls

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from Middletown, Ghoshen, et cetera. There's a Project bluebook report from GOSH

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in New York, September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five, the very day

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of the call from Major Work.
Okay, coincidence, I think not,

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thank you, and I'm gonna just
again, this is the summer. A

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circular object with conical top, quite
large. All right, pause, A

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circular object with conical top yep,
like what Nancy saw over near west that

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she called it an ice cream cone. Yeah, the other directionation very similar,

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quite large. One object, row
of steady red lights on circumference,

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green lights on top, left,
low whistling sound associated with object by witness.

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Object was offset to the right.
Object hovered turned north in east.

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Oh wait, turn north and south, moved west, backed up, and

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then passed out of sight to the
east in sight for about ten minutes.

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And I know the area of this
sighting. It's good sky view. Now

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their conclusion witness regards is unreliable.
That's an awfully good There's very detailed information

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about the sighting, the weather,
conditions, everything, and that's their conclusion.

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I love the and it was seen
by multiple people too, right,

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Like, why are they unreliable?
I'd like to at least hear a little

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bit. Middletown, New York.
We're back in Orange County, not far

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from Port Jervis, September twenty sixth, nineteen sixty five, right within that

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site. And again i'll character I'll
summarize us up. But this has newspaper

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articles about it. And again this
is all online. You can you can

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do some digging. Circular disc shaped
object and it's hard to read the boss,

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the cone on the bottom. There
we go again. Yep, flashing

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red, green and white lights,
no features noted. Observed at forty to

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thirty degree forty elevation in the northwest, still there after two hours, but

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at binoculars, So I guess they
could see it with binoculars. Okay,

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also observed following night in same place
according to newsparp arracles, So that's what

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they're basing it on. Their conclusion. Sighting has characteristics of an astro body.

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Sighting one star it's hard to read. Our office was at fifteen degree

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elevation. It was a star with
flashing red and green lights with a conical

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bottom and a very specific star.
Apparently I have to look at that star

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through my telescope. I've never seen
a conical bottom stone. You're Linda's amateur

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astronomer. She knows what the sky's
got. So and they're quite a bit

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on this one. And again the
conclusions are always insulting to people's intelligence.

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They always are. Yeah, but
blue Book wasn't to confirm UFOs. It

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was to diminish people's credibility, to
insult them, to ridicule them, and

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to explain it away. As I
always said, that Blue Book had.

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You remember those magic eight balls when
you were a kid, you'd shake it,

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and I think that's what blue Book
had. They had a magic eight

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ball and they'd shake it. Oh
it was Venus again. Ah, this

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one was swampcakes. I had one
report I was dealing with over from Putnam

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County. This woman gave an amazing
detailed report, drew sketches of how the

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craft moved. It was her house, the yard where the craft was,

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and the investigating officer drew a smiling
snowman in the yard and put all these

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little goofy things. So that's how
how serious they were taking their reporting.

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Yeah. I like the magic a
blic basically what it was. So there

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was a report, there's no summary, but it was on July twenty fifth

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of nineteen sixty five in Bloomingberg,
New York. And they concluded that it

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was an aircraft's observation. And you
can see this is quite a thick file

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for an aircraft. Though again this
stuff's not a line. It makes for

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very entertaining Monticello, New York.
We're all familiar, Hope, mancellap and

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Sullivan County, July twenty FIR nineteen
sixty five. Reports submitted in August,

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over one month after sighting, so
okay, a little bit of time went

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by. Consisted of triangular shaped object, white with red nose and a bright

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light aft, described as fastest thing
in the sky. First object was forty

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to fifty degree elevation, second object
five to ten degree elevation. First faded

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near vertical, second disappeared over the
horizon. Fast speed reported is inconsistent with

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the duration of two minutes that I
read that one. I don't remember if

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I did, I don't think.
So this is a triangle in sixty five.

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That's a very early triangle site.
This is their conclusion. No data

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presented to indicate that the objects could
not have been aircraft. Four jet aircraft

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routes intersect twenty miles south of observer's
location. Did they look like triangles?

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So apparently the observer has to prove
himself wrong or do the complete investigation right.

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And I'm going to add, I'm
sure that an air force base could

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get aircraft information from other airports as
to who was in the sky and potentially

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where. Yeah, I like it. No evidence to suggests that it couldn't

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be insulting Monroe, New York back
to Orange County. I know there's I

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got off on these blue books.
Just I talked to Linda. I'm like

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I fell down a rabbit hole.
October of nineteen sixty five. Again,

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this is a wave in this area. Movement of object among star background drew

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observer's attention. First sighted forty degrees
above horizon, movement northwest to southeast.

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Disappeared at eighty degrees above the horizon. White possibly tinted blur, no sound,

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trail, tailor exhaust. Conclusion,
satellite description consistent with satellite observation.

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Maybe, I mean, who am
I to say they're wrong? It is

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the air Force. They would not
have made that up. No air force

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doesn't lie. And then I got
two more of My favorite one was last

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location, Montgomery, New York,
October twelfth is sixty five round red flashing

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light looked like a revolving wheel,
no tailor exhaust. Observer heard a deep

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whine when object was overhead. Remember
another report had that whining sound. Alphe

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yes, yes. When first observed
object was at forty five degrees above the

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horizon of the east, disappeared below
the horizon to the east. Object reapproached

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from the east, circled and flew
back to northeast, flew out of sight

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to northeast, so it circled back
around the observer. Yep, it looks

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like the reporter, the person who
servant made an informal investigation with base weather

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station, local tower and radar Radar
control. Looks like tower advised that a

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helicopter was working in area at the
reported time, that the helicopter was using

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an anti collision light. And then
they advised that there was a heliport working

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covering that time of the alleged occurrence. So doesn't say that's what it was

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for sure, could but they're trying. They're trying to at least that one's

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got a little bit of reasonable.
Yeah, you can, you can give

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the benefit of the doubt, but
that all right. One one. And

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I couldn't find the guy where they
say that he's unreliable because he's uh oh

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yeah, with somebody in Goshen.
I know. I know that that he

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had some UFO books in his house, so they deemed him unreliable. I

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had it somewhere, But the last
one is Ellenville, New York, September

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twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five.
And it seems like that night's very big.

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I'll give you the summary real quick, and then I'm just going to

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go to what I have on my
screen. All the objects were reported to

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be moving and had red and green
flashing lights. Most of them were moving

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from east to west. Some would
appear to hover and change course. Nothing

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to indicate the objects were not aircraft. That was their consc So it was

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multiple craft this time. Now this
was a tough one to really talk about

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because there's a statement and it's unfortunately
extremely faded, and everything I did in

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photoshop, there was an AI program
that claimed it could do it. Yeah,

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no, not yet. No,
maybe they're that you have to pay

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for it, but the free ones
forget it. But I'm just gonna it's

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this is what the report was.
So a person wrote in, My son

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who was on the Ellenville Police Force
and his partner of the shift stopped on

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their rounds patrolling the streets and asked
my older son and I what we were

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doing outside at the time of night, because it was cold. It was

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it's like nine thirty at night.
We told them that we were looking at

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some flying objects in the sky and
one of them had just passed over our

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heads. And at that time they
thought it might have been Telestar, which

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was a satellite. That's what the
police officer thought because it went over the

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area, but they did not agree. So while they were standing there,

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that includes the police officers talking,
they looked over to the west and saw

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flashing lights and they saw a bright
green flash of light go down behind a

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hill in the direction of and it's
something ridge. I can't make out the

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word. So now the police are
witnessing this too. They see a bright

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green flash of light and then something
go down there. They thought what they

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saw. What they thought too,
appeared a very large explosion that lit up

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the whole side of the mountain.
My son and I are the only ones

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that saw this green flash before the
explosion, and there was no sound.

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In my forty nine years, I
have seen a lot of falling stars and

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never bright and green like that.
So I don't know how much time we

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were on Brian, but I think
that's a good area to leave it at.

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Yeah, there's been a lot of
green flashes in the Ellenville area.

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Anybody ever seen a green flash?
Yes? Okay, all right, so

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Mike bring us out. I'm going
to bring it out by saying one.

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I'm gonna end up thinking myself deeper
into a rabbit hole about these nineteen sixty

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five sightings. I smell a book. I smell a book too. Another

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one, but again, thank you, we had one for audience. Can

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we get round of applause? Everybody? Here's it. That is not a

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sound, that is not a soundtrack, So so hold back. I'm much

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