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We are live once again. Mike. We are all listen to the
crowd. We are at the famous Pine Bush UFO Fair having a great time.
It's finally a beautiful day. Yes, and we have an awesome,
awesome crowd listening to us. Because yes, they're just like us. They
love this Stu. I love this though. All right, So you have
cop sightings. I believe I do. I do, and I'm sure most
of our listeners know that I am a retired police officer. I did do
twenty two years. The bulk of that service was as an investigator detective,
so I do know a little bit about investigating. Yeah, the people on
television, yes, exactly, thank you. I didn't have to say at
this time. But I did have homicides and stuff, and I did retire
as a sergeant. And I'm going to start with a Port Jervis sighting.
So this is going to be my hometown and I'm going to actually read directly
to you from the police blotters of the time. I can't tell you how
extremely rare it is to get anything official from a police department about anything paranormal,
let alone a UFO. Can you just explain what a blotter is so
a blotter, especially back I'm going to be in the sixties where big bounds
the ledger books basically with numbered pages, and they would just basically write everything
they did that day, you know, starting at six o'clock am. You
know, crossed missus Smith at the intersection, handled accident, you know,
someone called about a barking dot. Actually it's funny when I read him,
they yield the same nonsense that I dealt with for twenty two years. Nothing's
changed, just a different level. But it was basically everything that happened,
and then the officers would come in if they handled something, and they would
write what they did. Did they write a ticket, did they handle a
burglary? Call? Very sophisticated system. Now it's all replaced by computers.
Port Jervis I believe goes back to the nineteen twenties, which is so rare
up until the seventies when they switched to a different format. So when Linda
first contacted me, she saw a reference to it right in a newspaper article.
I'm like, I'm going to the blotters, and so I am going
to read to you directly from the blotters, and I'm going to mention an
officer quite a bit at the time. His name was Frank Massinatti, and
I just want you to know a little bit about the man that is reporting
some of this because he was a no nonsense cop. He was an eighty
veteran of World War Two, so he probably knew a little bit about what
he was seeing. No nonsense, very serio, used to straightforward on the
job. Off the job a gooster, but on the job now very smart.
He rose to the ranks, became a sergeant, and then when he
became chief, he had the chief he had like one of the highest stores
scores in the state. So very smart man. He was chief for a
long time. I talked to his family. He never mentioned it to him,
but they said that this is something his daughter said he would never make
something like this up. So a lot of credibility from the witness, even
though I never personally met him that I remember. So let's go to September
twenty second, nineteen sixty five. I wasn't even born yet rub it in
Oh, I thought you were sixty six, you were born So this is
going to be Officer Massinatti entering his blodder nine to fifty six pm answered call
to Paul hess HES's store, Kingston Avenue, who said that he's seen circular
objects in the sky with yellow, red, and green lights pointed at pointed
it out me and in the north by northeastern section of the sky low stars
was a bright white star with red and green lights circling same very bright in
colors when seen through binoculars. Could not make out what it was, but
seemed to be traveling north by northeast to south by southwest very slowly. That
signed Massinatti. So Paul haus was a longtime store owner. In fact,
his family I think still owns the store. Oh wow. So he didn't
have any incentive to make himself the crackpot of town if he had no store
town, especially right being a longtime residence. So then we're going to fast
forward a couple of days and we're going to go to September twenty fifth,
one twenty five pm. And there's not much else about this. I couldn't
follow find any follow up, but a detective Wagner, who I knew growing
up, made a note at one twenty five pm that A Ronald Velton from
Tri County Filter Center at Fosterdale, New York. Where is Fosterdale? Oh,
that's out more towards Pennsylvania, is it okay? Informed headquarters he came
in to inform them that he will be coming back for information on unidentified flying
objects. Okay, So he was coming to the cops to get more information.
So obviously he saw. I don't know if he ever came back.
There's no further note, but the detective Wagner at the time must have been
on the desk felt it was necessary to document it. So I found that
very interesting. That same day, September twenty fifth, nine o'clock PM at
nine oh four to be specific, this is an entry by Lieutenant Coswick,
so he was a desk officer at the time and he would have been this
down based upon Massinati making a report to him, probably on the radio nine
oh four pm. Officer Massinatti reports he observes the same object with green,
red and white lights in the northern sky that he saw Wednesday night. So
now it's the officer making the report. I find interesting. Again, not
something you're gonna report if you don't see it, especially back in this yet,
because cops get correct me if I'm wrong. Brian and Mike they kind
of make fun of one another once in a while. Sometimes they rib each
other, Oh yeah, yeah, you don't want to set yourself up for
ridicule. The locker room is more dangerous than any crime, let me tell
you. I used to say it's more dangerous getting suited up than it is
once you leave the door, especially with the knives in the back sometimes.
But Brian can't understand that too. But it's interesting. But also this was
an official record, right, so it took a lot for somebody of that
standing to put it on the record. Right. If you were lying about
this as today, that would have been a disciplinary issue, would have been
a violation of the roles and regulations. So there's no way he's making that
up. He's he's seeing something now. In September twenty seventh, at eight
thirty pm, a Jean Smith and a Danny Mudrick of Butler Trailer Park,
And that's up by me where I live in Sparabush, New York. And
it's still there. It's not in Port Jervis, but they must have made
the report report a disc shaped object with rotating red lights traveling at great speed,
low and no sound seen by them. These were two separate calls at
about the same time, so they weren't calling together. They called independently of
one another to report what they saw. So that's again, so these sightings
are piling up over the course of days, and that's the desk officer was
Chant at the time, and again he was another no none. All those
guys back then were no nonsense, you know, very very serious. Now
here's what I think is my favorite entry, and I think we'll explain a
little bit more about this. That same night, September twenty seventh, at
ten pm, the desk officer Chant made an entry Major work Stuart Air Force
Base phoned and inquired about flying objects. Claims he is swamped by phone calls
from people in Port Jervis, Middletown and Goshen reporting all kinds of objects in
the sky. I informed him we had several calls regarding reporting objects in the
sky, but I myself had not seen any. Stuart Air Force Base at
the time was a hub of Project Blue Book, so that was yeah,
a lot of you things were going on there, so maybe that's why people
thought to call yeah there and I never was able to with that swamped with
swamped with calls. And I can tell you in twenty two years of police
work, I can't ever think of anybody from the military calling unless it was
a background check on someone enlisting. So that that's pretty in a major Nonetheless,
that's yeah, you're getting up high in the chain of command. But
if anybody listening those of a major work was that Stuart Air Force Base in
the sixties. I've been unable to really find any information about him, and
trying to google major works you're at air Force base, it just brings up
major work projects. But Stewart Airport, so I can tell you the history
of construction, But if anybody knows of the major work that may have been
stationed there, I would love to get a little bit more information about him.
Maybe he's still around, you know. So now we're going to go
ahead to September twenty ninth. Now this may or may not have been a
UFO, but it's on than usual. I've never really come across to it,
and going through other blotterers of the time period, but on September twenty
ninth, at four fifty five pm, a Missus Monica Kozakowski, who lives
at Franklin in Church Street, reports an explosion some distance off jarred her house,
causing a sixty nine dollars mirror to fall and break. And here's the
best part, and she wants someone to pay for it. Lieutenant Coslic at
the time, who took this report, advised her it could possibly be a
sonic boom and it would be almost impossible to determine liability. Yeah, send
your bill to the Air Force. Good luck, hey for effort for traun
well sixty nine dollars mirror in the sixties, what what was it? Solid
gold? I wouldn't pay sixty dollars for a mirror to that, just glass
and reflecting. So then the last end you that even comes close to it
is October fifth to twenty am. Massinatti again answered a call to missus it
looks like ruper, Oh, no grouper. Fowler Street, who reported that
she could see a light going on and off up towards Ridge Avenue, could
not find no wires arcing, could be street lights. She seen with trees
blowing back and forth giving an illusion of a light going off and on.
Could be, but I'm again, when you live somewhere, you kind of
get used to what it looks like when you look out your window. Yeah,
she should know what it looks like when the wind's blowing and the light's
going on and off. So we mentioned I was going to talk about all
these other How are we doing on time? By the way, Brian,
we're good. Oh, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna take our
break real quick, and then we'll come back and really delve into this.
This is Hudson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland County station. This
is Hudson River Radio dot Com. To So, the Project Blue Book files
are available online, at least what they've released. I mean, who knows
what they didn't release. They kept the good ones. I decided to look
around nineteen sixty five, around you know, September, October of sixty five
the Hudson Valley. What kind of reports were they getting? These are coming
out of Stuart Air Force Base reporting Now, so this is Stuart Air Force
Base. As Linda said, it was part of Project Blue Book. So
this one on September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five Swan Lake, New York.
It's in Ulster County, I believe by Sliman by Liberty right Sullivan.
And I'm just gonna give you the summary. And this is the summary from
the Air Force. By the way, observer watched a white disk make a
shallow dive then proceed into a climbing turn. The object was just like a
bright light to the naked eye. It is uncertain what asmuth the object was
spotted because the road is quite wanding winding. The observer is uncertain of asthmuth
of disappearance. Also, description and photos are consistent with that of a balloon
sighting. I like how they go right to the balloon sting always the balloon.
It's yeah, and I believe this one does have photos. Of course,
you know they don't reproduce. Well, no, they're photo copied,
yeah, file and scan so yeah, good luck getting originals. Yeah,
but they are on line and they did have them cleaned up because the photos
in the original file were worse, and then they did actually send them off
because you see something, but it's very hard. It came back from the
Foreign Technology Division, so they thought enough of it to send it for analysis.
If it was a balloon, why are you sending it to the Foreign
Technology Division? Right? So if you do find this report online you can
see the original photos. Then you can see the photos as having been analyzed
and you know, cleaned up, and it is hard to see even on
now because again the reproductions are just not where they should be. Anybody know
where Dunkirk, New York is? Where is that? Is that upstate or
is that? Yeah to the west western. So Dunkirk was also seeing things
at exactly the same time they had a report with it. Here. I
printed up stuff about the chief in case they had questions about them. But
this was on September twenty third, so right around the beginning in the Port
Jervis wave. Dunkirk Police received a number of telephone calls Wednesday evening in regards
to an unidentified flying object in the sky. Lieutenant Edward Moulville and Patrolman Ally
Sooys Sazynski stated that they observed the object and that it was a satellite.
Satellite can often be seen on clear nights. I I don't know, I
don't think so. Again, so we have a wave going on in New
York at this time, So let's go up to Glen's Falls, New York
for on the same period. This isn't August, so it's a little bit
before. I'll just summarize this a little bit. Glenn's Fall area skies may
once again have been invaded by mysterious objects. At least, sightings of unidentified
flying objects were reported in Corinth and South Glen's Falls last night, so that
would have been August twenty fifth. In Corinth, the sightings like a balloonful
of water were made. I'm not going to read the whole article. The
unidentified flying object, a balloon full of water apparently balloon fall of what quite
a description was seen at about eight forty five southeast of Corinth, disappearing into
the northeast. It was reported to be about ten times the size of a
star and was orange and color and round in shape except for a slight bulge
at the bottom. That's the water part. That's the water port. So
I kind of understand what they're explaining now. Yeah, it was visible on
the horizon for about three minutes, and they also saw it the previous evening
that this water balloon was hovering around for two days. I see now in
South Glen Falls, the State Police received reports. So now the state police
received reports of unidentified flying objects, and they themselves. The state police reported
seeing it themselves. At about ten pm in the Western sky troopers reported seeing
a light swinging in a big circle parallel with the ground. Do water balloons
do that? I don't know on July twenty six. In August six reports
of mysterious objects were received from area residents. The reports, however, we're
not similar. The first sightings were of a silver saucer, the second two
bright lights shimmering and egg get shaped. Egg shaped? Yep, egg shaped?
So coour the wind's gonna barthing away. That's for those of you not
here. It's a little windy. And Mike's notes are yeah, scattering.
So I found that interesting though, because again it's all within the same timeframe.
We have local police, state police from Port Jervis to Glen Falls to
Dunkirk. Yeah, these things never occur in isolation, it seems. The
more we when you get a report, it might seem like it's an isolated
incident until you just dig a little bit beneath the surface and all of a
sudden you say, something is going on. Now, remember when I talked
about Major Work. He mentioned they were being you know, swamped with calls
from Middletown, Ghoshen, et cetera. There's a Project bluebook report from GOSH
in New York, September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five, the very day
of the call from Major Work. Okay, coincidence, I think not,
thank you, and I'm gonna just again, this is the summer. A
circular object with conical top, quite large. All right, pause, A
circular object with conical top yep, like what Nancy saw over near west that
she called it an ice cream cone. Yeah, the other directionation very similar,
quite large. One object, row of steady red lights on circumference,
green lights on top, left, low whistling sound associated with object by witness.
Object was offset to the right. Object hovered turned north in east.
Oh wait, turn north and south, moved west, backed up, and
then passed out of sight to the east in sight for about ten minutes.
And I know the area of this sighting. It's good sky view. Now
their conclusion witness regards is unreliable. That's an awfully good There's very detailed information
about the sighting, the weather, conditions, everything, and that's their conclusion.
I love the and it was seen by multiple people too, right,
Like, why are they unreliable? I'd like to at least hear a little
bit. Middletown, New York. We're back in Orange County, not far
from Port Jervis, September twenty sixth, nineteen sixty five, right within that
site. And again i'll character I'll summarize us up. But this has newspaper
articles about it. And again this is all online. You can you can
do some digging. Circular disc shaped object and it's hard to read the boss,
the cone on the bottom. There we go again. Yep, flashing
red, green and white lights, no features noted. Observed at forty to
thirty degree forty elevation in the northwest, still there after two hours, but
at binoculars, So I guess they could see it with binoculars. Okay,
also observed following night in same place according to newsparp arracles, So that's what
they're basing it on. Their conclusion. Sighting has characteristics of an astro body.
Sighting one star it's hard to read. Our office was at fifteen degree
elevation. It was a star with flashing red and green lights with a conical
bottom and a very specific star. Apparently I have to look at that star
through my telescope. I've never seen a conical bottom stone. You're Linda's amateur
astronomer. She knows what the sky's got. So and they're quite a bit
on this one. And again the conclusions are always insulting to people's intelligence.
They always are. Yeah, but blue Book wasn't to confirm UFOs. It
was to diminish people's credibility, to insult them, to ridicule them, and
to explain it away. As I always said, that Blue Book had.
You remember those magic eight balls when you were a kid, you'd shake it,
and I think that's what blue Book had. They had a magic eight
ball and they'd shake it. Oh it was Venus again. Ah, this
one was swampcakes. I had one report I was dealing with over from Putnam
County. This woman gave an amazing detailed report, drew sketches of how the
craft moved. It was her house, the yard where the craft was,
and the investigating officer drew a smiling snowman in the yard and put all these
little goofy things. So that's how how serious they were taking their reporting.
Yeah. I like the magic a blic basically what it was. So there
was a report, there's no summary, but it was on July twenty fifth
of nineteen sixty five in Bloomingberg, New York. And they concluded that it
was an aircraft's observation. And you can see this is quite a thick file
for an aircraft. Though again this stuff's not a line. It makes for
very entertaining Monticello, New York. We're all familiar, Hope, mancellap and
Sullivan County, July twenty FIR nineteen sixty five. Reports submitted in August,
over one month after sighting, so okay, a little bit of time went
by. Consisted of triangular shaped object, white with red nose and a bright
light aft, described as fastest thing in the sky. First object was forty
to fifty degree elevation, second object five to ten degree elevation. First faded
near vertical, second disappeared over the horizon. Fast speed reported is inconsistent with
the duration of two minutes that I read that one. I don't remember if
I did, I don't think. So this is a triangle in sixty five.
That's a very early triangle site. This is their conclusion. No data
presented to indicate that the objects could not have been aircraft. Four jet aircraft
routes intersect twenty miles south of observer's location. Did they look like triangles?
So apparently the observer has to prove himself wrong or do the complete investigation right.
And I'm going to add, I'm sure that an air force base could
get aircraft information from other airports as to who was in the sky and potentially
where. Yeah, I like it. No evidence to suggests that it couldn't
be insulting Monroe, New York back to Orange County. I know there's I
got off on these blue books. Just I talked to Linda. I'm like
I fell down a rabbit hole. October of nineteen sixty five. Again,
this is a wave in this area. Movement of object among star background drew
observer's attention. First sighted forty degrees above horizon, movement northwest to southeast.
Disappeared at eighty degrees above the horizon. White possibly tinted blur, no sound,
trail, tailor exhaust. Conclusion, satellite description consistent with satellite observation.
Maybe, I mean, who am I to say they're wrong? It is
the air Force. They would not have made that up. No air force
doesn't lie. And then I got two more of My favorite one was last
location, Montgomery, New York, October twelfth is sixty five round red flashing
light looked like a revolving wheel, no tailor exhaust. Observer heard a deep
whine when object was overhead. Remember another report had that whining sound. Alphe
yes, yes. When first observed object was at forty five degrees above the
horizon of the east, disappeared below the horizon to the east. Object reapproached
from the east, circled and flew back to northeast, flew out of sight
to northeast, so it circled back around the observer. Yep, it looks
like the reporter, the person who servant made an informal investigation with base weather
station, local tower and radar Radar control. Looks like tower advised that a
helicopter was working in area at the reported time, that the helicopter was using
an anti collision light. And then they advised that there was a heliport working
covering that time of the alleged occurrence. So doesn't say that's what it was
for sure, could but they're trying. They're trying to at least that one's
got a little bit of reasonable. Yeah, you can, you can give
the benefit of the doubt, but that all right. One one. And
I couldn't find the guy where they say that he's unreliable because he's uh oh
yeah, with somebody in Goshen. I know. I know that that he
had some UFO books in his house, so they deemed him unreliable. I
had it somewhere, But the last one is Ellenville, New York, September
twenty seventh, nineteen sixty five. And it seems like that night's very big.
I'll give you the summary real quick, and then I'm just going to
go to what I have on my screen. All the objects were reported to
be moving and had red and green flashing lights. Most of them were moving
from east to west. Some would appear to hover and change course. Nothing
to indicate the objects were not aircraft. That was their consc So it was
multiple craft this time. Now this was a tough one to really talk about
because there's a statement and it's unfortunately extremely faded, and everything I did in
photoshop, there was an AI program that claimed it could do it. Yeah,
no, not yet. No, maybe they're that you have to pay
for it, but the free ones forget it. But I'm just gonna it's
this is what the report was. So a person wrote in, My son
who was on the Ellenville Police Force and his partner of the shift stopped on
their rounds patrolling the streets and asked my older son and I what we were
doing outside at the time of night, because it was cold. It was
it's like nine thirty at night. We told them that we were looking at
some flying objects in the sky and one of them had just passed over our
heads. And at that time they thought it might have been Telestar, which
was a satellite. That's what the police officer thought because it went over the
area, but they did not agree. So while they were standing there,
that includes the police officers talking, they looked over to the west and saw
flashing lights and they saw a bright green flash of light go down behind a
hill in the direction of and it's something ridge. I can't make out the
word. So now the police are witnessing this too. They see a bright
green flash of light and then something go down there. They thought what they
saw. What they thought too, appeared a very large explosion that lit up
the whole side of the mountain. My son and I are the only ones
that saw this green flash before the explosion, and there was no sound.
In my forty nine years, I have seen a lot of falling stars and
never bright and green like that. So I don't know how much time we
were on Brian, but I think that's a good area to leave it at.
Yeah, there's been a lot of green flashes in the Ellenville area.
Anybody ever seen a green flash? Yes? Okay, all right, so
Mike bring us out. I'm going to bring it out by saying one.
I'm gonna end up thinking myself deeper into a rabbit hole about these nineteen sixty
five sightings. I smell a book. I smell a book too. Another
one, but again, thank you, we had one for audience. Can
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