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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my dad. Every single week,

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I put my freaking heart and soul
into this. I don't go out there

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and laugh. It's not funny.
Nothing's funny to me. I don't wanna

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go out there and get embarrassed on
Monday night football fun of everybody. I

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think this at the beginning of a
beautiful friendship. So I ain't nothing changed

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from yesterday. Still the same person
I was yesterday, and I got the

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same thing for you that I had
yesterday. You know why I'm here.

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You play to win the game.
You don't play to just play it.

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That's a great thing about sports.
You play to win, and I don't

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care if you don't have any wins. Do you go play to win?

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When you start telling me it doesn't
matter, I can retire, get out

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for the matters. Oh Man,
Does it matter that it's a Friday to

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you? Oh? You bet it
does. Man. Welcome to EXUS and

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Bros. Glad you're with us throughout
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our producer, I'm Matt Shephard,
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open for you eight six, six, eight three eight forty eight forty three

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twenty one thousand, good to have you

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on board on this Friday in early
June. Tigers are home for six straight

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now, starting tonight with the first
to three against the Brewers. Deturch should

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feel good going into this matchup because
Rie Olsen Casey Mysteric School will start in

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the series. Tiger's at five hundred, the Brewers are up five. I

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believe in the National League Central Division. Although they are, they've they've had

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some bumps in the road. To
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the Yankees that hasn't although the Yankees, remember remember Aaron Judge at the beginning

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of the year, people were all
over him because he was struggling a little

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bit. The lead is four and
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is four and a half for Milwaukee
over chicag But Aaron Judge started out uh

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humanlike and now Aaron Judge is just
ripping the cover off the ball on a

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regular basis and a massive reason why. I mean, the Yankees won again

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yesterday they beat Minnesota eight to five. They are the best record in the

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American League They've had the best record
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Now they are the team to be. They've won eight in a row and

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there are forty five wins overall.
They're forty five victories on the seat and

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our most in all of baseball.
I think Philly was idol last night.

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I'll tell you what's more important,
more impressive. They And again I don't

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know how much home field matters in
the grand scheme of things. You know,

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I've said this for a long time. Baseball is you know, you

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get your last at bat? How
is How's that a huge advantage? You

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get the last at bat when you're
at home. X ratings and stuff.

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But if you've got a good closer
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They've got twenty four wins at home. They're twenty four to eleven. They've

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got more road winds then the White
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have lost a franchise record fourteen in
a row. They've got twenty four wins,

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which is the roadwinds, same number
as the Angels have overall. Yankees

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have more road winds than Miami,
more road winds than Colorado. Overall.

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Colorado's got twenty two wins on the
air. That's dominant, man, absolutely

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dominant. So the Tigers and Brewers
tonight NBA Finals last night, massive letdown

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right, really psyched for this,
been waiting a while, Boston's been waiting

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ten days for crying out loud,
really psyched for this. And then you

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know, you watch Dallas jump out
to a one point lead, but you're

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thinking of yourself, so what right, what was it? Sixteen fifteen something

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like that, and then the Celtics
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If you turned it off, and
I get why you would. Dallas did

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creep back in the third. They
cut it to eight, they were down

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twenty five, they cut it to
eight, and then Boston calls the time

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out and they're like, okay,
let's regroup, let's refocus, and let's

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do what we were doing earlier in
the game. They go on a fourteen

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nothing run, or maybe it was
fourteen to two. Either way, it

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was a dominant run. I said
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I brought up the article of the
top fifteen players in this series, and

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the webs one of the websites said
it was Luka Dacic, and I thought,

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I said, it's kind of easy
to say that because he's a scorer

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and it's kinetic energy. That's where
we go to. We go to the

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guys who score, right, we
need to think differently, find the guys

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who have the best overall game.
This is where sometimes I get in trouble

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and getting a little bit of a
heated debate with colleagues of mine, because

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I want the guys who are going
to a bring it every night? Okay,

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b who are I think super tough? Remember what Jim Leland said the

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other day when we had him on
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If you missed it, Jim Leland, when I asked him, how do

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you you watch so many players?
You're watching guys' stance, You're watching their

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hands, You're watching their swing,
You're watching their their power shift, you

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watch how they feel, how they
throw, all these different nuances and skill

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sets of a specific athlete, in
this case baseball. How do you determine

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one guy from another? What are
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see? And among other things,
he was talking about toughness. All right,

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you got to be mentally tough,
physically tough for sure, but especially

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mentally tough, and I hes felt
like I mean with the Celtics. That's

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why I said, I think Jalen
Brown, who was the best player on

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the floor last night's Jlen Brown.
There's no doubt about that. Not because

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he scored twenty two points. Christodd
Porzingis had twenty off the bench. That's

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a huge plus. We can talk
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But not just because he scored twenty
two points. What about the pestering defense

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that he played. Look how good
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I like Jason Tatum, he had
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his shot, But give me Jlen
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floor, hit a couple of threes. It's terrible at the free throw line,

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which surprised me. Had twenty two
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a really balanced scoring attack. Six
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steals, three blocks, tied for
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forward, when teams are going well, one of the things you want to

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look at assist to turnover ratio.
Okay, Boston had twenty three assists twelve

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turns. Dallas had nine assists eleven
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five field goals made. In contrast, Boston had twenty three dimes on thirty

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nine field goals made. That's a
huge difference share the basketball. If you

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were watching, Jason Kidd, the
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of miked up and said to his
guys, hey man, we got to

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move the ball. There's too much
isoball too much. People try to do

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it themselves. Luka Dancic shill let
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It's not that I don't like Dancic. I've said he's got an incredible shot.

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To me, Ben, you can
tell me if you think completely different.

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I think he looks a little heavy
face, body doesn't look super toned.

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I think the guy's an absolute siev
defensively. I just don't like him

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on defense. He seems to give
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almost lack luster at times with a
basketball. He's incredible talent. I'm an

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unbelievable shooter. Just not a huge
fan of his game. At the other

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end, and that bothers me.
Kyrie Irving was steimy too. We'll get

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to that when we come back,
got to hit a brake. It's ten

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after the hour. We're gonna talk
with Greg Campy at eight thirty five.

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Eighteen after the hour, Greg camp,

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he head coach Oakton University, gets
a contract extension well deserved. He joins

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us eight thirty five today. If
you missed any of our conversation with Michael

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Harra, who's retiring on Monday and
has covered the Lions for decades and is

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in the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame, we're going to play that at seven

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eighteen seven to eight. Later on
this morning, we were talking a little

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bit about the NBA Finals. Just
before the break. Kyrie Irving, who's

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been a fantastic player who has admitted
some of his mistakes. I don't know

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about you, but I like athletes
who are willing to say, you know

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what, I'm I was wrong,
I'm human. I wasn't my best self

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in Boston. If I were a
Boston Celtics fan, I sure wouldn't appreciate

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him flipping me off if I were
at the game and saying some of the

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things that he said. So I
get it. But he knew he was

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wrong. He admitted it. How
many of us are infallible? How many

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of us have never been wrong?
I mean, we may not always say

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we're sorry or that we were wrong, which is one of our many,

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you know, problems in life.
People just have a hard time saying that.

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But Kyrie Irving did that. He's
willing to admit his mistake. Good

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for him, But he wasn't very
good yesterday. Twelve points and a career

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low one assist. Game two is
Sunday. That was a huge disappointment,

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all right. A couple of other
things. Adam hadwin and leads the first

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run of the Memorial Cards sixty six
six under sixty six. Scotti Scheffler is

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a shot back at five hundred par
four. Others sit at four under,

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including Colin Morikawa and Xander Schaffley Egospia
Tech. You may not know much about

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women's tennis. I'm not asking you
to do that, but I'll tell you

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this. This young lady at twenty
three years old is unbelievable. Like she's

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just a minute big, she's just
little, but man is she powerful.

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Cocoa Goff is an excellent tennis player. She's ranked third in the world.

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He gets Fiotec beat her in straight
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and one all time against her.
You talked about ekryptonite. She's not won

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twenty straight matches at Paris. She's
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Open and fourth in the last five
years. That's how dominant she's been on

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clay. I want to get to
this because I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

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We might have to bring it up
a little bit later on in the

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show because the six hour, six
o'clock hour doesn't get a ton of traction

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unfortunately. But Dan Campbell said this
the other day. Because the Lions continue

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to do this the OTA, they've
excused the veterans that the rookies are there.

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They've got a couple more days,
a few more days here this week

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to try and get them a little
bit more comfortable and understanding the schemes and

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so on and so forth. He
told the media about what his message to

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his team is, and part of
the message is, and it's dead on

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right as usual with Dan Campbell.
Here's what he said. I think,

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just remember what we're playing for.
I want, just each individual, what

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do you want? What do you
want out of this year? What do

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you want to look like when we're
sitting here and it's February? What's in

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your mind? I want the whole
Enchilada. I mean, obviously a super

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Bowl. And most players are pretty
open about it about with their coach,

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but not necessarily publicly. Lions have
talked openly about the super Bowl in the

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smart How do you feel about that? Do you feel like it's the proverbial

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cart before the horse. Campbell has
said that he wants his team to think

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backwards. He wants them to think
super Bowl first. Remember how looked at

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how strong they looked jumping out to
a seventeen point lead in San Francisco in

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the NFC Championship Game. You remember
it so he's telling him work backwards,

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start with a big picture of mine. Super Bowl fifty nine New Orleans,

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recognize what it takes to get there, and then do it so often.

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And I think perhaps we in Detroit
do this as much as, if not

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more than anybody as a belief,
you have to experience something first before you

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accomplish the goal. You have to
experience almost heartache. It's a learning lesson.

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We saw it with the Pistons,
and this is where it kind of

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forms within us. This is where
we feel like, Okay, this is

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the learning time for those individuals,
and once they've learned this, now they'll

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know how to scale the mountain.
I just don't believe that. I really

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don't, and I know there's examples
of it. I want to know how

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you feel about it. Here's part
of the reason I say this. We

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think, well, you tried.
He had to learn a lesson against San

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Francisco in the NFSC Championship Game,
and that should help them help them.

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What win the NFC Championship Game this
year? Does that mean they have to

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lose a Super Bowl in order for
them to win a Super Bowl? Correct

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me if I'm wrong, But the
San Francisco forty nine ers didn't learn from

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their Super Bowl loss a few years
ago because they didn't beat Kansas City last

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year. I just don't get it, and I think it's because our teams

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have experienced something similar to that.
I bring up the Pistons. Okay,

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remember the Detroit Pistons winning their first
championship. Maybe some of you are way

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too young for that. I don't
know. I remember it. I remember

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it well, all right, Well, I also remember, you know what

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it took to get there, the
heartaches. But I also remember, Look,

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not all those heartaches were rewarded soon
thereafter. Right. Detroit's first championship

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came in nineteen eighty nine. They
had lost the finals the year before.

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That was part of a huge run
where Detroit made the postseason nine straight years,

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right nineteen eighty four through nineteen ninety
two. They losing the conference first

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round in eighty four losing the conference
semis. So you're thinking, I mean,

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based on this logic, Okay,
then next year we should get to

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the conference finals. Right, Nope, losing round one. In nineteen eighty

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six, back to the conference finals. Lost, Wait what about the learning

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lesson? Then lost in the finals. Then won in the finals each of

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the next two years, then lost
in the Eastern Conference finals. Oh that's

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when Chicago learned. Oh that's right. It's not always a progressive learning scale,

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is kind of my point. Red
Wings lost in ninety five to the

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New Jersey Devils. What happened in
ninety six? They didn't win the championship,

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they didn't win the Stanley Cup.
There's no guarantee. I want,

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I want the Lions to kick that
proverbial door down too. But there are

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as many people think I'm not always
a big believer in this either. There

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are certain windows. I think there
are best chances for teams, for sure,

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but the window, I mean,
if you believe in that for loop,

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then that windows you better take advantage
of it pretty quick. I just

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don't believe in that hole. Okay, now we've gone through this. Now

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we're ready. There's plenty of examples
of teams winning it first time. They're

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are also some some comments made by
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Kyrie, share with us what's you're
feeling right now? Just your thoughts mentally?

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How do you get yourself geared up
for Game two? Just grateful for

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the experience to get through game one, you know, just a lot of

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emotions going into it and just waiting
for the opportunity to get out there and

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compete, you know, going against
the great Celtics teams. So we just

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had to get this one out the
way, and we didn't perform the way

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we would have wanted to tonight.
You know, it starts with me just

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being able to get out there and
get us settled. I got to take

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some accountability for it, just the
communication and just going out there and getting

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used to the way that the kind
of environment was going to be. But

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I think my teammates did a great
job of staying together sticking to the game

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plan. We obviously made some mistakes, like I said, but we gave

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ourselves a chance in the second half, and we just got to continue to

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do the right things and win the
quarters as much as we can. They

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came out and hit us in the
mouth early, got the home crowd going

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into it down seventeen in the first
quarter. It's not really like us to

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give up thirty seven points. It's
happened to us before in the playoffs,

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but we just wanted to make it
a lot tougher on them, and they

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hit a lot of threes, and
again, when you get them rolling like

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that, they play a very easy
game the rest of the game, and

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we just got to hit them in
their mouth a little bit. They did

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their job gain in game one,
but we're going to take our lessons and

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get ready for a good game too. Kyrie Irving after the one oh seven

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eighty nine loss last night, Dallas's
lowest output in the playoffs, very mature,

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been there, done that, not
worried type answer. Right, what

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he said, this is what I've
said for a long time, though,

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I mean, we overuse the word
great so often. He said, Now,

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I thought my teammates did a great
job. No they didn't. Your

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teammates did. It's okay. I
don't expect him to say my teammates did

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a terrible job, but don't go
there. You shot forty one percent from

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the floor, actually forty one point
seven percent. You made seven threes,

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that's it. You had nine assists. That is not great. They haven't

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done a great job at all.
They didn't win one quarter they won,

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Yeah, they didn't win a quarter, did they? Oh? The third?

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Yeah, they outscored Boston by a
point in the third. So I

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personally, no, that's that's not
great. But I understand, you know,

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it's like it's it's kind of a
trap that we all fall into to

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a certain extent, So I get
it. I thought, what was fascinating

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to me is before the game,
and this was I think it was yesterday,

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maybe it was two days ago where
Jason Tatum talked about the pressure.

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During media availability on Wednesday, he
was asked by members of the media about

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the pressure, especially in Boston because
you know they've got seventeen titles, right,

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seventeen? Is there a different level
of pressure? He said, oh,

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absolutely, He said, in Boston, the only hang NBA championship banners.

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It's not no disrespect to the Lions, but it's not Ford Field.

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You're not hanging division championships and stuff. You hang championship banners. That's all

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that matters, especially when you've done
it as long as they've done it,

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And he said some of the greatest
players to ever play the game were the

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uniform of the Boston Celtics. All
of us are honored to follow in their

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footsteps, the way they've paved for
us to live out our dream. What

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a great answer. You want to
endear yourself to a fan base, talk

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about the tradition, the respect,
and the aura of wearing that same uniform.

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Certain places you can't. You're not
doing that yet in a place like

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Oklahoma City, with all due respect, but when you've they tried to instill

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that people new people to the organization
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This is what being a Piston means. But it hasn't been that way

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for a long time. Right,
look at the last five six years.

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It's been really tough for you and
I to swallow, hasn't it. Last

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time they were at five hundred was
twenty nineteen. Last time they were over

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five hundred it was twenty sixteen.
So very challenging for us. Right when

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you're finishing five out of five in
the division, five out of five,

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five out of five, five out
of five, four out of five.

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That's why it's been the last five
years horrific. Fourteen wins, seventeen wins,

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twenty three wins, twenty wins,
twenty wins. It doesn't work,

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But in Boston, Jason Tatum company, you better embrace that. You better

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understand the environment. So he said, if you want to be one of

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the greats, to put on this
uniform, every great before, you want

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a championship. That's what we try
and play for every single season. The

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expectations are obviously different here. It
takes special players to be here and to

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be part of an environment like that, that's awesome. I flip and love

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that, man, I do.
I think it's so cool. Maybe it's

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too much for some athletes, then
you probably don't want them there. That

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phrase, that statement got me so
fired up when I read it, and

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I thought to myself, damn it, that's how people should be in this

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state. If you want to be
one of the greats, to put on

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this uniform every grape before you won
a championship. That's what we try and

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play for every single season. Now, you couldn't do that in Detroit.

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Not every great player won a championship. So for example, with the Red

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Wings, John O'grodnek was a hell
of a player, didn't win a championship,

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all right. Adam Oates was a
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although most of his career was in
Washington. But you get my point.

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He didn't win a championship. So
you can't say that necessarily. But the

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many of the greats, whether it
be Gordy Howe or Ted Lindsay or Harry

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Sachak or Steve Eisman or surrogate Federal
for Brendan Shan and Nick Linstrom, they

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did win championships. The greats for
the Pistons, I know Dave Bing didn't

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win one, didn't win with the
Celtics, Bob Lanier didn't win one.

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Grant Hill didn't win one. So
that's unfortunate that that phrase wouldn't necessarily work

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there wouldn't work with the Tigers either, But that's the standard that needs to

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be set. Don't you think that's
why this kind of goes full circle here?

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That's why I like that. Dan
Campbell said, let's think Super Bowl

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backwards? What's wrong with that?
This is not the Prince of Wales Trophy

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where you're afraid to touch it after
winning the conference championship. Let's go after

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it. The expectations have to be
different. What did I say yesterday?

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If you were listening, I said, I am tired, just like you

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are. I am tired of the
word patience. We have said it after

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so many different seasons, with so
many different teams. To the Lion's credit,

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they haven't said that. What look
at look at the three teams that

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have been out of the playoffs for
a long time in Detroit, the Pistons.

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What do we say, Well,
you gotta be you gotta have patients

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because you got a new owner,
you got a new GM. Troy Weavers

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coming in. Suddenly five years go
by and nothing. Steve Eisman tells everybody

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this is going to be a long
process. Rebuilding is difficult. That's a

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nice way of saying, we've got
to be patient. Scott here said the

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same thing, coming in. Got
to be patient. Hey man, I

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got news for all these people.
The fan base has been patient. At

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what point does it turn from the
fans being patient to the organization raising expectations

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because we're not seeing it right now
and we deserve it. Why is it

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that other teams? And look,
if you think, boy, it's quite

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a convenient argument, shop, quite
a convenient argument considering the Celtics are in

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the NBA finals. Maybe you're right
about that. You know, maybe I'm

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using this and quite out, but
in fairness to me, I am using

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it as part of the Lions conversation
too. Granted they went to the NFC

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Championship, but I'm using as part
of that. But play why can the

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Celtics make the playoffs every single year
since twenty fifteen? They had a bump

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in fourteen, They had made the
playoffs seven previous years to that. You

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know why? I know they haven't
won on one NBA finals since two thousand

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and eight. Anything as possible.
Kevin Garnett, crap, It's a pretty

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regular occurrence for that franchise. The
expectations do not change. Why should the

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expectations change in Detroit for any of
their teams? Circumstances can be different.

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Absolutely, stan Van Gundy screwed things
up absolutely. Troy Weaver wasn't any better.

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Absolutely, end of his tenure.
Ken Howland struggled absolutely, although he's

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got his team in the Stanley Cup
finals. I get all that, I

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really do. I understand that Alavila
made some horrible trades. Where does the

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expectation start? Ownership, front office, fans, all the above. We've

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settled. Can we just be honest
here? We have settled. There's too

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many times, and I can be
just as guilty, all right, So

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I'm not gonna sit here and throw
any talk show host or any commentator,

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or any anchor or any pregame hosts. I'm not gonna throw anybody under the

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bus because I've been as guilty as
anybody. We have settled for complete mediocrity.

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I got in truck. I said
this a couple of years ago when

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the Tigers season ended, and my
partner said, We've got to be patient,

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and I said, I am tired
of that. Haven't won a championship

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since nineteen eighty four, Folks,
they're going to celebrate forty flipping years of

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that, and we're going to sit
here and constantly tell it, try to

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tell fans about how great this player
may be when he's not he's average at

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best, or how we have to
be patient again because you've got to let

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young guys develop. It's such I'm
so tired of it. I'm so tired

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of talking about an NBA finals where
you got the Boston Celtics in it.

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Again. They were just in the
finals three years ago, you know that,

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right, or two years ago?
I'm sorry, conference finals. Won

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the conference finals this year, lost
in the conference finals last year, lost

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in the finals the year before.
They were in the conference finals four years

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ago. Meanwhile, the Pistons aren't
doing Diddley squad and we're saying, well,

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we just got to be patient.
Now Trajan Lanning times comes in,

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Oh, we got to be patient
with that now too. We're resetting the

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clock on a regular basis. Why
do we do that? Is it reality?

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I'm not claiming to know what we
can do about it. I'm not

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telling you not to go to games. That's one of my favorite things.

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You know, you got hostschool out
there and go You know what, you

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guys are idiots? What are you
going to games for? Hey, screw

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you. People want to go see
a baseball game, Let me go see

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a baseball game. You want to
go see a basketball game, go ahead.

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You can go to a game.
You could support your team and still

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be upset at how that team goes
about its business. You're only going to

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go to a game when your team
is winning, when you feel like it's

407
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:09.079
doing the right thing. Now,
I wouldn't buy season tickets if they're constantly

408
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:15.000
spitting in your face. But who
says you can't go to a game.

409
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.960
Who says you shouldn't go to a
game. Who says you shouldn't root for

410
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.079
that team even though that team is
less than subpar, not doing what they're

411
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:30.599
supposed to be doing. But the
bar do you guys remember when Martin Morningway

412
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:32.280
came in and was the head coach
of the Alliance. Man, what a

413
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.440
disaster, Oh god, what a
disaster. One of the things what he

414
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say the bar is high used to
make fun of him for saying that.

415
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.320
But I understood his point. He
said the bar is high now it ended

416
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:51.239
up being very very low for him. Didn't know what the hell he was

417
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:57.119
doing. Another example of an alliance
coach failed, never went on to be

418
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another head coach coordinator. Yes,
coach, Oh, Dick, J're on

419
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.679
the last one, I believe right. Yes. So when you sit there

420
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.840
and you look at this and you
listen to his words, you're laughing at

421
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.119
it. We laughed at him,
We made fun of him. I was

422
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.480
part of it. We all made
fun of him. Guess what, he

423
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:22.159
was right, The bar has to
be high now. He couldn't reach it

424
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.559
because he wasn't good enough. His
front office wasn't good enough, his players

425
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.440
weren't good enough. He couldn't overcome
it. I don't think he was a

426
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:37.719
very good coach at all. However, the message was the right message.

427
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.320
Dan Campbell's message doesn't have the cliche, but the Dan Campbell message is dead

428
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.400
on. Think super Bowl, expect
it. Now? What are you going

429
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:53.239
to do to go about and get
it? We need more of that and

430
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:58.559
if you fall short, then so
be it. You can't take people's ridicule

431
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.400
at the end of a season because
they're going you thought you were going to

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get to the super Bowl. You
didn't even win the division. That has

433
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to be the mindset. Don't tell
me there's an athlete or a coach,

434
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a manager, or a GM who
goes into season says, well, we're

435
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:17.320
going to suck this year. That
reality may slap you in the face at

436
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:22.199
some point, but you can't have
that mindset going in, at least I

437
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:32.280
hope you wouldn't. If your expectations
for the Tigers for thirty one and thirty

438
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.440
one after sixty two games, shame
on you if you're part of the organization,

439
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.000
is what I'm saying. I said
at the beginning of the year,

440
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.719
this team should be good. Note
the word should. This team should should

441
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:52.519
be good, and this team should
win the division. That's the expectation I

442
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.960
said last year, or before the
red Wing season was over, this team

443
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.559
should make the playoffs. They didn't. I think I think they failed.

444
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.599
I think it's a failure. I
can be realistic, too, I'm very

445
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:13.599
realistic. If you're down in Miami
the Marlins, the expectations are not there,

446
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.199
but damn we sit there and we
act like patience is fine. We'll

447
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.559
complain about it a lot, but
then We'll get out here and as a

448
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.880
host with a microphone, we'll sit
there and try to convince you, well,

449
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.960
you got to be patient, oh
bull roar, get after it.

450
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:37.039
Raise the expectation level of your organization. Understand what it takes to win.

451
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.039
Understand that things can happen, like
injuries, for example, guys having off

452
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.679
seasons. I get all that,
But the expectations have to change. Man.

453
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.719
You've got to raise the bar for
this state and for this team.

454
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.280
This is not a John Jonathan Smith
type situation where he comes in brand new

455
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.800
to Michigan State and you think they're
going to win the Big Ten. That's

456
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.320
not that's not realistic. It's not
You can change those expectations a little bit

457
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.760
later on, a couple of years
from now, but not this year.

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Welcome back second hour of the program, Greg camp You will join us

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at eight thirty five for the Oakland
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He'll join us at eight thirty five. We will replay in our next

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00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:55.679
segment, replay our conversation with Michael
Herrad about eighteen after the hour. Mike

502
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.400
joined us yesterday talk about his experiences
in the Lions this year. Dan Campbell

503
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.559
also said something yesterday that I thought
was pretty interesting, and that is,

504
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.320
you know, we can't do Ron
Burgundy. We can't just read off the

505
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:15.159
prompter. You've got to do.
You've got to do something different. This

506
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.440
team understands that they've had guys who've
reached the Super Bowl. I'm glad our

507
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:28.039
expectations. I'm glad. I'm glad
the organization's expectations are the same as the

508
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:34.039
fans expectations. Good for you.
We've gotten there. They helped us along

509
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:39.760
because of what they did a year
ago. We've gotten there minus a catastrophe

510
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.960
Jared Goff getting injured for the entire
season, perhaps a guy like Hutchinson or

511
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:52.079
Sewell getting injured for the entire season, or a rag Now I might add,

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00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.960
the expectations is getting and winning the
Super Bowl. That's the way it

513
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:05.320
should be. Others, other organizations
should have the same expectations. Now,

514
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:14.079
the Tigers, we've talked a lot
about. The Tigers announced something yesterday that

515
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.559
did not go over very well.
I'm not sure who's handling this stuff.

516
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:24.199
It's just have you ever heard the
phrase take the temperature in the room.

517
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:36.000
It's basically telling you understand what's going
on here before you deliver a joke,

518
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:45.400
news, a line, whatever.
The Tigers apparently want to create premium seating,

519
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.559
what they call experiences for fans,
and they've wanted to do it for

520
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:58.360
a while. Why they choose to
announce it now is beyond me. I

521
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:04.280
don't understand it. If your team
is doing what the New York Yankees are

522
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.519
doing and winning forty five games to
lead all of baseball, I can understand

523
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:14.639
why you might make the announcement.
Folks. We're forty five and nineteen.

524
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.679
We've got the most road wins of
anybody in baseball. But it's really the

525
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.559
home ballpark that makes the difference,
and we're going to allow that difference to

526
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:28.960
be felt by you. We're announcing
new premium seating experience coming to Yankee Stadium

527
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:35.480
in twenty twenty five. The Tigers
in the meantime, what do they do?

528
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.320
They announce this, Ladies and gentlemen. We're second to last place.

529
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.920
We're nine and a half back,
we're thirty one up, thirty one down,

530
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.440
playing better as of late. But
hey, guess what, We've got

531
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:54.559
premium seating experiences for you starting next
year. It's a great project. It's

532
00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:07.400
going to provide significant upgrades to the
fan experience that was met poorly. You

533
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:14.840
see, the beauty of being down
low at a ballpark is the opportunity for

534
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:20.639
fans to go there and get autographs
as guys come off for batting practice or

535
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:27.840
go out to batting practice. That's
an experience. Now what you're going to

536
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:42.400
do is create a home plate club
and have new loge boxes. Sounds great,

537
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:50.800
doesn't it. But people were pissed
about this. They are not happy

538
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:57.119
at all. Ryan Gustafson, the
president, says, our goal is to

539
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.199
continue investing in creating a variety of
best in class experiences for all fans.

540
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.480
Here's what fans want. They'll watch
from a high school field. If you

541
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:15.400
give them a championship product, people
have to I don't I've never understood how

542
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:21.760
people don't see the big picture in
things, have a pulse of what fans

543
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:29.800
are experiencing right now. You should
know that coming out with this type of

544
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.800
promotion, that's really that's not fair. It's not a promotion, this type

545
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.719
of news to try and sell to
fans, to get to get them excited

546
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.280
about. What's going to be the
response. You know what the response is

547
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:47.519
going to be, right, what
is it? The response is to see

548
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:57.440
what a five hundred baseball team,
a team that doesn't win, invest in

549
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:02.239
the product on the field. That's
what they're going to say. And that's

550
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:07.480
exactly what they have been saying.
You want us to get fired up over

551
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:15.320
new lows boxes, the home Plate
Club while your team is average at best.

552
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:22.199
What are you doing to get us
fired up about our baseball team.

553
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:29.199
I remind people this all the time. We don't have a large window of

554
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:35.719
good comfortable days in this state,
do we. What would you say it

555
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:50.760
would be? What's the range mid
May through what mid September? Maybe people

556
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.599
want to go on their boats,
People want to go up north, people

557
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.599
want to go golfing, They want
to enjoy their backyard barbecue, they want

558
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.719
to have people over on their back
porch on a Friday night, and all

559
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.480
that other stuff. They put your
game on great, they get fired up

560
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:15.400
about your team super in order for
you to get them to your ballpark and

561
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.679
miss out on some of the other
things that they don't have a large window

562
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:27.079
to do, you better put a
decent product on the field. Do they

563
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.280
have a decent product? Does it
make you say, yes, I'm going

564
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.079
to leave this, I'm gonna postpone
this, I'm not gonna do this so

565
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:40.519
I can go down there. Not
the home Plate Club, not that quote

566
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.239
unquote best in class experience for all
fans. First of all, it's not

567
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:50.719
for all fans. Second of all, people aren't going to be all kinds

568
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.239
of fired up for that unless you're
going to put a winning product on the

569
00:52:53.239 --> 00:53:02.800
field. The high end experience built
beneath the stands and located on the service

570
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:09.599
level between the two clubhouses. Now, I will say this, I like

571
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:15.400
the opportunity to do that at the
right time. I don't know when the

572
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.119
right time is, but it sure
isn't right now, I don't believe.

573
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.000
But I do like that opportunity.
Dodgers have it, a lot of high

574
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:29.519
end teams have it. They do
it makes for something you're gonna put something

575
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.079
else together. Great, you're taking
out four hundred and ninety seats behind home

576
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.760
plate. They're going to insert three
hundred and fifty premium seats in that area.

577
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.880
So they're going to give you something. It sounds like a cool experience.

578
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:50.519
I just don't know how many people
feel that it's worth it right now.

579
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.119
Eventually, it should it have been
done a long time ago. Should

580
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.800
you have had the foresight to do
it, much like when the Palace did

581
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:05.920
it before everybody else? Yes?
Is there ever a good time? You

582
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:14.159
bet there is doesn't mean it's now
and the announcement coming in early June while

583
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:22.440
your team is mairred at five hundred
is probably not ideal either. It's great

584
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:28.360
for you because you view it as
an experience that'll take your franchise to a

585
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:34.320
different level, but you're not thinking
like a fan right now. The fan

586
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.280
is not happy because of the way
the team is performing. When we come

587
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:46.360
back michael'hera, we interviewed him yesterday, we'll replay the interview about his tenure

588
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:51.159
as a Lions beat writer, why
you should be encouraged with these years Lions

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00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:54.840
team, and some pretty good stories. Greg Campy joins us at A thirty

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00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:59.599
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can make a difference. Really fortunate
to be able to bring in this next

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guest. He's as admired as maybe
any writer who has ever written the state

614
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.840
of Michigan. I mean, there
are certain writers where you look at and

615
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.480
you say, you know what,
I believe him. That's not always easy.

616
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.440
A lot of people feel like they
have been fortunate to work with a

617
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:35.000
legend like Mike O'Hara, who's in
the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame, and

618
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.400
rightfully so, he's been doing it
as well as anybody. From nineteen sixty

619
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.719
six through two thousand and eight he
was of the Detroit News and after that

620
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.480
time with the Lions in on Lions
dot com, and he's been a Lions

621
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:51.639
beat writer since nineteen seventy seven.
He has served his country and he has

622
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.079
served this area so gracefully and so
well. And he joins us now that

623
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:59.119
he's going to retire on Monday,
and rightfully so. Michael Harris with us

624
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.920
here on Excess and Bros. Michael, thank you congratulations. It's so well

625
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:07.880
deserved. How did you know it
was time? It just felt that way,

626
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.079
And I think I was probably a
year late. I probably should have

627
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.000
been tired last year, not this
year. Yeah, not this year.

628
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.480
Just it's just the things that were
easy to do were quite as easy,

629
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.039
and just just I just had that
feeling that it's time to go. But

630
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:28.840
you I guess I think I kind
of got caught up in the new organization

631
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.119
and all that. I could just
see see what they had in this last

632
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.599
year, and it turned out they
had a lot. And I don't regret

633
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:37.639
staying another year. I really don't. Yeah, I don't think anybody who

634
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:45.119
reads your synopsis, your breakdowns,
your analysis, uh fee feels that either

635
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:52.280
what have you enjoyed most about your
career? Well, you know, I'm

636
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:55.679
not a player, so I can't, but it's very similar to that for

637
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.719
us. You know, it's the
test room, just you know, kind

638
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.360
of theme to work and the insults
start to fly and and all of that,

639
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.840
and then I start to talk about
things in the game, and you

640
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.199
know, it's still competing, don't
get me wrong, but but you know

641
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.920
what it's like to start talking about
what happened yesterday, what might happen tomorrow,

642
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.920
you know, And that was the
fun part, just sort of interacting

643
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:22.280
with with guys from you know,
from the other other papers and other media

644
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.679
outlets. That that was really to
me the front of the business. What's

645
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:30.400
interesting, too, is that this
team might have its best opportunity. You

646
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:34.119
would know this better than I,
but this team might have its best opportunity

647
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.559
to reach the Super Bowl, and
you may not be able to write about

648
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.400
that if you're leaving on Monday.
Did you ever think about that as you

649
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:47.039
were contemplating this decision? Well,
that's why I stayed another for this year

650
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:52.679
was another season we just had no
I thought about it. Yeah, but

651
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.199
no I didn't. They wouldn't do
it for that reason. I really wouldn't.

652
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:59.400
By the way, I just like
to mention one thing. Guy who's

653
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.199
made all of this a lot easier
is Tim twenty than you know. He

654
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.079
came over from the Detrade News here
a lot a year before I did,

655
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.239
and I think he's probably one of
the most prolific writers. I've ever been

656
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.519
proud in my life. He just
does so many things, does it so

657
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.800
well. It's just it's really been
a pleasure looking with Tim Yeah, it's

658
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:23.239
a great point. He's excellent at
what he does and he yeah, he

659
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:29.760
really is, and he sent something
out on Twitter. He's been so well

660
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.000
accommodating, endearing and understanding and willing
to learn. I mean, it's it's

661
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:37.079
funny. Even when you do it
for as long as you and Tim has

662
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.239
done, you can still learn from
people. And absolutely yeah, and he

663
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.440
wrote, Look, legend I'm so
fortunate to have been able to work with

664
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.480
and learn from Mike at both the
Detroit News and here with the Lions over

665
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.239
the last twenty years. It's not
like he staked a claim to his territory

666
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.280
and said, I'm sorry, I
feel threatened by a legendary writer. Instead,

667
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.239
he opened his arms to you.
And I think you've done that for

668
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.920
quite a few people as well,
so many stories with the Detroit Lyons.

669
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.079
I'm sure you get asked this all
the time by people. So I'll just

670
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.440
be one in the many of a
line of people who've asked you this.

671
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:15.159
Is there any one particular player or
storyline that sticks out to you in all

672
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:20.400
the years you've covered this franchise,
Well, this one really stands out,

673
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.320
and it is not a good one. I don't think that Berry Sanders retirement

674
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.559
was that was one and I was
expecting it. I really was. And

675
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:30.599
I'll tell you a quick, little
quick story that one of the writers for

676
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:36.760
ESPN had had just a little item
in his column that off season that Barry

677
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.559
wasn't happy and he sort of had
a sense of that, you know,

678
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.920
And so I called his father,
William, who I got to know somewhat

679
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.679
not you. We want close friends, but he was always accommodating to talk.

680
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:51.880
And I said, mister Williams dot
Williams. Anyway, I said,

681
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.000
I asked him to say, but
I read on Sports Illustrated and I said,

682
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.679
what's the deal and he said,
he's sick of them, He's sick

683
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.920
of us. Oh boy, this
is going to be something. It turned

684
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:07.159
out to be just a Blackbusters story
from that moment until Barry Sanders, you

685
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:13.039
know, did not show up for
training camp three months later or whatever it

686
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.599
was. And then then and then
it was just to me that was probably

687
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:21.360
the biggest story that I covered,
was involved with or what whatever you want

688
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.400
to call it. Michael, by
the way, I'm sorry, I just

689
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:28.360
want to think so it wasn't my
favorite because I wanted to see Barry Sanders

690
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:31.199
play and not just a great player, but a great person too, But

691
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:36.639
to me was the most obviously had
the most impact. Michael here joining us

692
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.840
here on Exis and Bros. He
retires Monday, and he's a Michigan Sports

693
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.719
Hall of Famer. He's been the
reason you read about the Lions for for

694
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:50.239
so many decades. When you when
you look back at all the teams and

695
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:55.280
all the players you've covered, is
there what what's the biggest misnomer that people

696
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:02.480
failed to realize about a player or
this franchise? That the Fordes don't want

697
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.400
to don't care about winning and losing, and they can't care very much about

698
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.400
it. That's why they've made so
many changes. And I'm just going since

699
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:13.480
I came on the beat in nineteen
seventy seven, you know, for they

700
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.800
add up the number of coaching changes
and personnel changes and all that, but

701
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.559
we'd be here for a month and
a half or something like that. They

702
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.960
put all that together. But you
know, they care very much and they

703
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:28.159
always have, always will through different
generations. You know, mister William clay

704
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:32.239
Ford had passed away, and think
it was nineteen nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty

705
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:37.400
for something like twenty I'm sorry,
twenty fifteen. And then his wife,

706
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:43.159
Martha Firestone Ford took over and absolutely
committed to winning. And then now Sheila

707
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:50.159
hamp the daughter and who really has
been on the just the front line there

708
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.960
of changing things for the Detroit Lions. And she's been successful. She's had

709
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.800
a success that the other ones haven't
had for whatever reason. What do you

710
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:04.960
like about this Lions team? Young
players with talent and speed? I like

711
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:09.159
speed, and they have that.
They have a lot of other excusely a

712
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:14.599
lot of other things too, but
they have some interchangeable purpose and and I

713
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.760
don't think if you look at that
team, look, nobody has it all.

714
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:23.480
And it's just it's it's impossible,
what really is because no matter how

715
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:27.519
well things are going, you're going
to have they're going to change personnel from

716
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.000
one season to the next. I
mean, there's a been somebody came up

717
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.639
with a figure one time, on
the average, thirty percent of your rosteril

718
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:38.280
channel from one season to the next. I don't know if that's exactly true,

719
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.599
but I'm sure it's not staying off. And so that's the hard part

720
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:46.039
is putting all these players back together. But the however, they've done and

721
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.599
through the just great drafting, you
know, really the Brad Holmes, the

722
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:55.280
general manager, and with the head
coach Dan Campbell, you know, chiming

723
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:58.840
in, they've really been able in
three years, the first three years because

724
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.519
we haven't seen this his team play
yet, but in the first three years,

725
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:05.239
excuse me, they've really put together
good players, not just first round

726
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:09.960
players, but you know, all
the way through, through through the roster

727
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.159
and through the draft, they've been
able to put together good players on the

728
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.000
field for the and they're going to
be good, not just this year and

729
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:18.719
next to it, They're going to
be good for a while. They really

730
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.760
are. They only have, like
any aging players that they have to get

731
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:28.079
rid of. The pretty solids have
topped about him. He's been writing in

732
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.880
this area since nineteen sixty six.
He's covered the lines since nineteen seventy seven.

733
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.079
He's a Hall of Famer. He's
Michael Harra. Mike, thanks for

734
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:39.119
your time, Congratulations, appreciate the
friendship and all that you've done and keeping

735
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.760
things interesting for Lions fans, whether
they're winning or losing. You deserve this,

736
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.360
my friend. Congrats Hey Check,
thanks thanks for calling me. I

737
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:50.719
appreciate it. Good stuff with Michael
Harry yesterday. Hope you enjoyed it.

738
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:56.400
He will have the rest of this
weekend to write and then he's done,

739
01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:00.320
and there are things to talk about
with the Detroit Lions a lot, it

740
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.360
might be a little. And I
asked him off the air about this when

741
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:08.159
he and I first talked a couple
of nights ago, and look, this

742
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:12.840
is a this is a time where
you want to cover teams like the Lions,

743
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.679
because not only are they good now, but they should be keywords,

744
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:23.360
should good for a long time.
But there comes a point in time where

745
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.880
you're like, Okay, I've done
this long enough. I've achieved everything I

746
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:31.559
could want, and I have to
be able to dictate things myself. And

747
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.880
he's doing that, and I give
him a ton of credit for doing it.

748
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:40.440
I love what he's brought to the
table for us. For a long

749
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.199
time, we've had we've been very
fortunate in this town and in this state

750
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:50.239
some really exceptional writers in a lot
of different areas, not just Michae O'Hara,

751
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:55.360
but also Kurt Sylvester, for example, a long time ago writing about

752
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.039
the Lions, Tim Twentyman right now, many of the players, many of

753
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.400
the people day, Bri Kett.
We've had them on Kyle Minkey, guys

754
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.239
who have done a really nice job
of covering various sports. Mick McCabe has

755
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:11.519
done it for decades covering high school
athletics, and we'll have him on someday

756
01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:15.079
here on Axes and Bros. But
it's been an enjoyable ride. Oftentimes those

757
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.519
rides have to come to an end, unfortunately, and for Mike O'Hara and

758
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:25.000
those who appreciated and enjoyed his writing, it has as well. About an

759
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.480
hour from now, Greg Campy will
join us on Exes and Bros. Talk

760
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:32.519
about his contract extension and talk a
little bit about why he remains at Oakland

761
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.920
University, what a job he has
done. We're back with more after a

762
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:40.639
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Huge Show in the Michigan Sports Network, I'll deliver huge opinions on everything you're

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talking about. All right back with
you on the ex Bros. Thirty five

777
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:05.239
after the hour. One hour from
now, Craig Campy will join us,

778
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:11.199
the head coach of Oakland University of
Basketball. What are they doing right now?

779
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.920
What's going on with all the things
that they may have on their plate

780
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:21.079
and how they're handling it. His
contract extension, his run in the NCAA

781
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:28.199
Tournament a year ago, all those
things nil. How is the landscape change.

782
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:30.359
There's a lot of things to discuss
with him, and we will do

783
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:35.039
that with Greg Campy at eight thirty
five. Speaking of college basketball, Dan

784
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:42.600
Hurley is expected to have a face
to face with the Lakers today. It's

785
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:46.279
kind of crazy, isn't it.
JJ Reddick was the name everybody was thrown

786
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:55.920
around like it was a done deal, and suddenly Dan Hurley's name is thrust

787
01:09:55.920 --> 01:10:00.840
into the conversation and he will be
in for an infa interview today. We

788
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:06.159
do know that he has in the
past talked about wanting to be part of

789
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:12.119
an NBA coaching staff, want to
be a head coach in the NBA.

790
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.039
I just we touched on this a
little bit the other day. I just

791
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:23.800
don't know how his it's not personality, it's his coaching style fits the NBA

792
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:29.520
game. It is totally different man. If he happens to get the gig,

793
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:36.920
he would be the twelfth college coach
in the last thirty years to reach

794
01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:46.920
the NBA coaching fraternity. The combined
winning percentage of the eleven coaches before him

795
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:58.000
is forty five percent. And it's
not like those guys were bad coaches in

796
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:04.239
college and decided to move on.
John Beeline, who I know well,

797
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:16.600
won just fourteen games. He's an
excellent coach, excellent coach, and after

798
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:28.239
fifty four games resigned. Why well, players work differently in the NBA college

799
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:32.840
coaches. Not that NBA coaches don't
watch film. They do, but you

800
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:39.520
have an opportunity to educate and peach
more at the collegiate level. How's that

801
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:45.239
guys at the NBA. That's not
what it's about anyway. So John Beelin

802
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:54.119
was one of them. Billy Donovan
made the jump in twenty fifteen. He's

803
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:58.960
only one of two coaches who left
college to go to the NBA who has

804
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:03.560
a winning record in the NBA and
he's still coaching five years with a thunder.

805
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:13.239
Also was the head coach of the
Bulls, Right yeah. Fred Hoiberg

806
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.279
made the jump the same year,
went from Iowa State to the Bulls,

807
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:27.359
spent four years there. A little
friction between him and it was Jimmy Butler

808
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:31.520
at the time. He's now back
at the collegiate level. He's still at

809
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:42.000
Nebraska, right yeah. Brad Stevens
is the other coach besides Billy Donovan on

810
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.279
the list to have a winning record
in the NBA, and then of course

811
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.159
bumped up to the Celtics front office. And look at what he's done.

812
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:55.600
You talk about a guy who knows
what he's doing. You were looking for

813
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.119
a guy who has a vision,
a guy who can coach, relate,

814
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.560
talk to the players, and then
has a vision on top of all that.

815
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:14.000
You bet Brad Stevens is that guy. He's he knows so much about

816
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.640
what he's doing. He might be
a guy I would if I were an

817
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:23.600
owner and I really wanted things to
done the right way, I might take

818
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:30.600
him and give him part ownership in
order to lure him from where he is

819
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:41.640
now in Boston. You would give
him a partial ownership piece. He took

820
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:46.800
Butler to two final fours, left
for the Celtics eight years there, missed

821
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.239
the playoffs just once and that was
his first year. By the way,

822
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:58.199
went to three conference finals. He
was coach of the year or no,

823
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:00.840
he was close to being coach of
the Year. He would as a finalist

824
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:02.520
quite a few times. I don't
know exactly how many, but quite a

825
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:11.039
few times. And now he's the
president of basketball Operations, Danny Ainge leaves,

826
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:15.880
Stevens takes over. You want to
know, not a huge Celtics fan,

827
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:19.960
okay, but if you really want
to know how to build an organization

828
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:30.359
the right way, look at what
Boston has done. Every franchise makes mistakes,

829
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:33.439
but look at what they've been able
to do. Danny Age as much

830
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:39.359
as you and I despised him as
a player, not at BYU, not

831
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.800
with the Toronto Blue Jays, but
as a member of the Boston Celtics,

832
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.600
as a player, that dude went
to the front office and knew what the

833
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.399
hell he was doing. He did
a really good job in the front office

834
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:56.760
in Boston. And then when he's
gone, they bring in Brad Stevens and

835
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:02.560
look at what he's done. Consistency, expectations, a way of doing certain

836
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:10.560
things right. This is how we
do it here. It's not a song.

837
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.680
It is a song, but it's
not one that I'm referring to here.

838
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:15.880
But this is how we do it
here, and this is how we're

839
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:19.079
going to continue to do it.
This is the blueprint for success with our

840
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:29.960
franchise. So Brad Stevens Billy Donovan
the only two who had winning records overall

841
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.560
as head coaches after making the leap
from college to pro. Reggie THEUS is

842
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:40.199
another. He left New Mexico State
and went to Sacramento. It wasn't long

843
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:49.520
season and a half not good.
Got fired is second year when he started

844
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:57.399
six and eighteen. Do you remember
Mike Montgomery? He was at Stanford,

845
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:02.199
had a Final Four appearance at night, was coach of the Year, inducted

846
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.439
into the College Basketball Hall of Fame, went to the NBA. Took over

847
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:11.079
the Golden State Warriors. Two years
there, thirty four up, forty eight

848
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:18.920
down in both seasons. Then he
got the boot. Leonard Hamilton. I

849
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:27.600
had forgotten this one. Leonard Hamilton
coached at Miami, So the Hurricanes was

850
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:32.680
pretty damn good there, right,
Oklahoma State Miami then went to the Washington

851
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:43.239
Wizards. Lasted one season nineteen wins, the fewest in their twenty four year

852
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:53.359
history at the time. Lon Krueger. I remember Lon Krueger Illinois? He

853
01:16:53.399 --> 01:17:03.840
went to Atlanta. How long did
Lon Krueger last? Long? Twenty seven

854
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:13.000
games into his third season, fired
Tim Floyd Iowa State. Then Chicago.

855
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:17.680
Boy, you think the Chicago Bulls
would learn a little bit. The Chicago

856
01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:20.600
Bulls do it with Fred Hoiberg.
They did with Tim Floyd. Prior to

857
01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:31.039
Fred Hoiberg. Tim Floyd was really
good at Iowa State, couldn't get it

858
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.760
done in Chicago or Charlotte. I
think he was head coach at Charlotte there

859
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:42.159
too, And then of course two
others. John Kellapari, we all remember

860
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.000
that he was at UMass then went
to the nets. Everybody thought it was

861
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:48.720
a coup, this is going to
be great. Lasted two and a half

862
01:17:48.760 --> 01:18:00.479
seasons. He was three and seventeen
in his third season in and they said

863
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:11.520
enough is enough, goodbye. And
then PJ. Carlosono Seaton Hall than Portland.

864
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:15.800
Now he had a longer run.
Three years in Portland, led him

865
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.279
to the playoffs each time, couldn't
get out of the first round. Then

866
01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:24.840
went to Golden State. You remember
the Latrelle Spreewell choking incident during practice.

867
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:30.079
Fired after three years with the Warriors, bounced around a little bit, assistant

868
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:39.279
with Brooklyn Seattle. Seattle went to
Oklahoma City. So both those two organizations

869
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:45.039
and now as an analyst on TV
Slash Radio, those are the quote unquote

870
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:55.000
legacies that you'd be looking at if
you're Danny Hurley. I guess my question

871
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:59.720
would be the money is one thing, right, I mean, it's hard

872
01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.079
to tell somebody not to chase.
First of all, if you've always wanted

873
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:06.680
to coach the best at what they
do, of course you do. I

874
01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:12.399
get it. And the money,
who's gonna say no to that? I'm

875
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:15.199
sorry. It's a factor. Way
of life is a factor. So I

876
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:27.399
get all that. I don't know
why teams don't look closer at coaches personalities

877
01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:38.840
and how it might relate to the
NBA player, not just personalities, because

878
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:43.000
I actually I think John Beelan's personality, the way he coaches it would be

879
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:47.199
fine for the NBA. It's how
you go about it. He was a

880
01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:55.199
film hog, always watching film,
wanting players to do the same. Just

881
01:19:55.520 --> 01:20:01.960
don't do that. He was a
fundamentalist. Works so hard at helping players

882
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:08.960
pass to the outside hand, pivot
the way they're supposed to do things with

883
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:14.479
the opposite hand as often as they
do with their dominant hand. All those

884
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:18.399
things going to help guys up after
getting knocked down. Something simple, yes,

885
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:27.439
but something that was oftentimes taught and
expected. Folks, that's just the

886
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:32.479
way the NBA wants it handled.
It's a different way of coaching. Ken

887
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:35.960
One of my first questions if I
were interviewing a college coach would be,

888
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:43.640
what is it about your style you
think works best in the NBA? How

889
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:50.319
will you accentuate that? And then
what about your style won't work in the

890
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:56.840
NBA? And how are you going
to either eliminate that or curtail that to

891
01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:03.039
make sure it does work. I
wonder how many front office people actually ask

892
01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:13.279
that question or those questions or even
care. See it's the shiny new toy,

893
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:17.399
right, Yeah, I get it. Danny Hurley was phenomenala at Connecticut

894
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:20.560
and I think his team is preseason
fifth? Is that right, Ben?

895
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:27.279
I think preseason fifth coming in.
So be it. But just because it

896
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.359
works at the collegiate level, just
because you can coach at the collegiate level

897
01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.520
doesn't mean that you can coach at
the highest level. Would the respect be

898
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:38.039
there? And I think that's important. Yeah, I do. I think

899
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:45.159
the respect would be there. But
look, man, I mean the way

900
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.399
you communicate, the way you handle
your practices, the way you handle huddles

901
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:56.039
all very important. I think the
reason a lot of guys You'll see a

902
01:21:56.039 --> 01:22:01.600
lot of coaches who are successful who
maybe weren't the greatest player now It's a

903
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:09.600
little different here with Jason Kidd and
his success with Dallas. Rick Carlisle wasn't

904
01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:14.640
a great player, but he was
around. He played with great players,

905
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.840
Larry Bird for example, Kevin McHale, he was with some great players.

906
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:23.319
All those things. They're soaking in
that knowledge. There's no doubt about that.

907
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:27.880
He knows how to handle it.
Jason Kidd was well aware. But

908
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.600
then you've got guys like Joe Minzula. They're not playing, but they understood.

909
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:42.479
They understand how you communicate, how
you motivate NBA players. It'll be

910
01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:54.520
a fascinating follow with Danny Hurling to
see if that ends up working out with

911
01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:59.199
the Lakers or an NBA team down
the road. Now, speaking of the

912
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:05.760
NBA, there's a guy who does
ESPN and ABC. Now, I'm I

913
01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:12.239
don't know how much you're a huge
fan of Kendrick Perkins as an analyst,

914
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:18.079
very deadpan, very dry, but
it's so subjective so I can appreciate it.

915
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:24.560
But look, he's been doing it
for a while now, and give

916
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:30.840
him credit. He's willing to take
on the biggest names in the sport,

917
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:40.399
including Lebron James. Lebron James recently
had a statement on a podcast where he

918
01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:45.960
said he was so blanking mad that
he's not Kyrie Irving's running mate anymore.

919
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.439
In the NBA, they won a
championship in Cleveland together, as you know,

920
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:57.159
and Kendrick Perkins was pretty ticked off
about it. Here's what he said.

921
01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:00.640
He said, here we go again, Ron James, weasling his way

922
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:05.079
into somebody else's moment. This is
not about you. Your team is at

923
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:09.319
home. This is about the MAVs
and the Celtics. But you're so mad

924
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:12.960
and disappointed that you're not Kyrie's running
mate anymore. Here we go again.

925
01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:21.520
I give him credit for his willingness
to take on a guy that most people

926
01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:29.439
will not touch because they're afraid of
the repercussions. Now, in fairness,

927
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:32.840
and I'm not I'm sure people who
listen to the show realize. I'm not

928
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:39.600
a huge fan of Lebron James,
not that he's not a great player.

929
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:44.239
I'm just talking about the person and
how he handles his business and some of

930
01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:48.600
the what I consider to be a
little conniving. I will say this about

931
01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:56.840
him. To his credit, he
was giving a lot of love to NBA

932
01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:01.960
analyst Doris Burke. He wrote this
out on X important moment for our sport

933
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:09.039
tonight. Love and respect to dB
Dorisburg and everything she does to elevate all

934
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:16.319
of us. You're a and he
put a goat emoji, wrote on on

935
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:24.479
on X now goat she I wouldn't
say greatest of all time. I think

936
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:28.239
Doris does a really good job.
She's worked. She works exceptionally hard.

937
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Our paths crossed during w NBA's Detroit
Shock tenure, and she said that she

938
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:42.800
always wanted to do this, and
I give her a massive amount of credit

939
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:47.319
because she set that goal. But
she more than anything else, she recognized

940
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:51.880
what she had to do to get
there. Nobody out works her. It's

941
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:58.319
awesome. She's she became the first
woman to serve as a TV game analyst

942
01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:03.800
for any major men's professional championship event. And I'm sure it'll open the door

943
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:08.880
for more, which none of us
should really have a problem with as long

944
01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:12.039
as people know what they're talking about. I don't care if it's man or

945
01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:16.439
woman, it doesn't matter. But
she's done a really good job for ESPN

946
01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:23.560
and she's but she hasn't gotten it. She has she has not received the

947
01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:28.039
accolades and the positions only because she's
a woman. She's done it because she

948
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:31.880
works hard and she's really good at
what she does. So if we're going

949
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:36.000
to take the proverbial shot at Lebron
James, you know, coach killer,

950
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:40.239
like we talked about yesterday, trying
to take the moment from a guy like

951
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:45.199
Kyrie Irving. According to Kendrick Perkins, do give him some love for recognizing

952
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:49.800
certain other things that are important in
the sport too, including what we saw

953
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:56.920
last night on television with Doris Burke
as one of the analysts. Eight thirty

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five, Greg Campy will join us. I will ask him about Danny Hurley

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and his thoughts on why college coaches
struggle to make that transition, and we'll

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need more dolls. Time oh yo

1010
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:10.319
done. At the time, we
weren't good. There's no sense asking me

1011
01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:12.960
things about the game. I'm telling
you we laid an egg. So I'm

1012
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.359
not going to break it down for
you. He sucks. He sucked,

1013
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:18.720
but he laid an egg. That's
all I have to say. Guys,

1014
01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:21.159
I'm sorry. I'm not going to
break it down for you. Nothing went

1015
01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:25.039
well for us. It's on us. We have to figure it out.

1016
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:30.039
And we went dag. During the
break, I had an opportunity to look

1017
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:38.359
at something that was sent out on
social media about the Pistons great backcourt in

1018
01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:45.119
the day, and it was reminiscent
of an anniversary where Byron Scott missed Game

1019
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:50.680
one of the NBA Finals. So
LA went with a big backcourt, Magic

1020
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:56.840
Johnson, Michael Cooper. Johnson was
what six' eight Michael Cooper six seven,

1021
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:05.720
Tony Campbell former Piston seven Detroit used
Joe Dumars and Isaiah Thomas and Vinnie

1022
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:13.600
Johnson carve them up. It is
a thing of beauty watching those guys,

1023
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:17.720
Thomas and Dumars and Johnson dribble into
the front court, pull up and hit

1024
01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:28.640
mid jumpers. It's phenomenal. God, it was good basketball. Those guys

1025
01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:35.279
were so fundamentally sound, dribbling,
passing, shooting the way they shoot the

1026
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:40.960
ball. I don't know how many
of you out there had a chance to

1027
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:45.000
watch them growing up, but it's
just it's awesome. So check that out

1028
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:49.720
if you can, just go back
YouTube and do whatever real quick. MLB

1029
01:32:50.039 --> 01:33:00.479
recently sent this out on X Power
Pitcher Rankings or Pitcher Power Rankings TREKSC number

1030
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:06.800
one. I don't know if this
is like power pitchers is in these guys

1031
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:10.800
with the strikeouts, because I mean, otherwise it would be Garrett Crochet he

1032
01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:16.000
leads the league and strikeouts per nine. Second would be Sonny Gray Saint Louis.

1033
01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:21.600
Then Freddie Peralta, Jack Flaherty's top
five. I mean, that's that's

1034
01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:28.399
K's per nine. I think it
can't be Era. If it's Eer,

1035
01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:31.960
then you'd have Seth Lugo in there, right, because I think Seth Lugo

1036
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:38.359
leads all of baseball in earned run
average, but Scooball is number one in

1037
01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:43.479
pitcher power rankings. Then Rangers Suarez
of Philadelphia. His ERA is one point

1038
01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:45.119
seven. By the way, he's
nine to one on the year. Then

1039
01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:51.000
his teammate Zach Wheeler era of two
point two three strikeouts, ten point two

1040
01:33:51.119 --> 01:34:00.640
batters per nine. Luis Geel is
four, Corbyn Burns five. I read

1041
01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:04.119
that about Corey mcburns and I think
Milwaukee couldn't use that. But Milwaukee's leading

1042
01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:11.439
the division. Baltimore will take it. Tanner Hawks six, Boston Tyler Glass

1043
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:19.479
now La is seventh, Paul Skeens
is eighth. Out Standing rookie from Pittsburgh.

1044
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:30.359
Shota Imanaga for the Cubs is nine, and Max Freed for the Braves

1045
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:35.039
is ten. Braves just keep getting
it done, man, even though they

1046
01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:41.279
lose certain players. Those are your
pitcher power rankings courtesy of MLB, and

1047
01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:45.680
as I mentioned earlier, Derek Scouble
will pitch Game two of the series against

1048
01:34:46.159 --> 01:34:56.159
Milwaukee. What's in a nickname?
How important is the team nickname? The

1049
01:34:56.279 --> 01:35:00.199
reason I ask this is because the
NHL will have a new high team next

1050
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:04.560
year and it'll be in Utah.
It's the Arizona Coyotes, but they've moved

1051
01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:10.640
to Utah. They're trying to find
a nickname for the franchise. They have

1052
01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:18.840
narrowed it down to six. It's
either the Utah Blizzard. Now while you're

1053
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:27.319
driving, while you're listening, you're
either nodding or shaking your head thumbs up

1054
01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:35.560
or thumbs down, or you know, kind of nose scruff or nodding you're

1055
01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:41.159
like, oh, I could see
that, or no way right. Utah

1056
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:46.279
Blizzard is one name that's a thumbs
down for me. Utah Hockey Club,

1057
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:51.960
that's a thumbs down. That's soccer
stuff. It's not hockey. Utah Mammoth

1058
01:35:54.079 --> 01:36:04.520
three strikes, you're out Utah Outlaws, No Utah ven utaw yetti. What's

1059
01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:09.880
the logo of a UTA yetti?
This is part of the problem when you

1060
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:14.119
just want fans to vote fans.
Just seriously, you're going to have a

1061
01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:20.840
cooler or a cup on your jersey. Let's be real. Maybe it's the

1062
01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:25.319
Blizzard. I don't know. I
don't get where you get some of these

1063
01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:30.119
names, but not a fan of
any any of them. As I read

1064
01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:34.720
this yesterday, I thought, boy, we're lucky, lucky to have the

1065
01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:40.760
nicknames that we have. For example, the Red Wings. You know about

1066
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:45.560
the Red Wings nickname, right?
James Norris, the Canadian American businessman,

1067
01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:50.640
he bought the team in nineteen thirty
two, and he named it the Winged

1068
01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:58.000
Wheelers because he used to play for
that team. And he chose the Winged

1069
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:05.479
wheel as the logo. It was
based off a Montreal Amateur Athletic Association logo.

1070
01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:14.279
He thought that it kind of went
along with the auto industry. That's

1071
01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:17.000
pretty cool. I'm sure you knew
that, but in case you didn't,

1072
01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:24.159
just want to let you know.
And of course it's been that way ever

1073
01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:31.600
since. To pay homage in that
regard has a nice historical significance to it,

1074
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:40.439
don't you think. Yeah. Tiger's
baseball team nickname believed to have come

1075
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:45.920
from the Detroit Light Guard, a
military unit that served Detroit for two hundred

1076
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:51.279
years. Earned the nickname Tigers during
the Civil War. First appeared in an

1077
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:57.520
article in the Detroit Free Press back
in eighteen ninety five, called them the

1078
01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:02.680
Struthers Tigers in honor of that light
Guard, and the name stuck. So

1079
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.920
when the Tigers began playing in the
Western League back in eighteen ninety six,

1080
01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:13.920
they were already being called the Tigers. You know. The Lions went from

1081
01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:19.600
Portsmouth from the Portsmouth Spartans in nineteen
thirty four to Detroit and They were renamed

1082
01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:28.079
the Lions by George A. Richards, the guy who owned it. He

1083
01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:30.760
was a radio executive, the guy
who owned the Portsmouth Spartans. He chose

1084
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:39.239
the name actually to honor Detroit's baseball
team, the Tigers. He thought it

1085
01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:45.159
represented a pride in the city and
he wanted the name to reflect the king

1086
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:49.960
of the NFL. Like the lion
is king of the jungle. This is

1087
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:55.439
going to be King of the NFL. That's why he chose Lions. Whatever

1088
01:38:55.520 --> 01:39:00.119
the reasoning, and maybe it's just
because we're from here and we have used

1089
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:04.159
that representation for as long as we've
been alive, but it makes sense,

1090
01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:12.000
right. It's a good association with
the city. There's a reasoning behind it.

1091
01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:16.479
Reading about Utah and the struggles they're
having to figure out what their nickname

1092
01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:24.159
is going to be made me think, Wow, how fortunate are we to

1093
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:28.279
have a a team that has been
here for as long as these teams have

1094
01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:33.600
been here and b to have that
association with the city. The reasoning behind

1095
01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:38.600
it. You get the Pistons.
Fred Zolner moved him from Fort Wayne.

1096
01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:45.079
The Pistons car industry, winged wheel
car industry. Tigers had to do with

1097
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:49.880
the story I just told you right
regarding the military unit and then the lion's

1098
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:56.199
bouncing off that to a certain extent, pretty neat. Just want to share

1099
01:39:56.239 --> 01:39:59.680
that weather ten after the hour,
Don't Forget. Greg Campy joins this bottom

1100
01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:02.720
of the hour eight thirty five to
talk about his new contract and a lot

1101
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:09.840
of things, including college coaches in
the NBA. We're back with more after

1102
01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:16.479
this on Axes and Bros. In
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1109
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good Major league hitter. Being adjustable
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1110
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The mental side is you're the only
one who can control what you're looking

1111
01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:50.880
for. And what your commitment level
is to that. The physical side depends

1112
01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.119
on the picture. There are going
to be days when you just can't get

1113
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:56.640
your a swing offs. You have
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1146
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Okay. People have had to deal
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1147
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we've got texts to get to.
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1151
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Meyer hotline eighty six six eight three
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1152
01:44:47.359 --> 01:44:50.680
to join the show Sports Radio to
twenty one thousand. We're going to be

1153
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:55.479
joined by Greg Campy at the bottom
of the hour eight thirty five where we

1154
01:44:55.600 --> 01:45:00.119
talk about his contract extension, Oakland's
push in the NCD tournament. How you

1155
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:06.239
use that moving forward? The fact
that forty five percent of the eleven coaches

1156
01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:14.239
who've reached the NBA from the college
level who made that jump their winning percentage

1157
01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:18.199
just forty five percent. Why is
that. We'll talk with Greg Campy about

1158
01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:20.680
that and a whole lot more coming
up, but first let's get to some

1159
01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:25.119
techs. As we mentioned sports radio
to twenty one thousand, Ben, who

1160
01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:28.279
do we got? Yeah? One
from Freddie It says, should the Pistons

1161
01:45:28.279 --> 01:45:32.239
buy out Money Williams and take a
shot at Danny Hurley giving him six years

1162
01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:39.840
at ninety million? Yeah, I
don't know. I'm not sure where you

1163
01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:44.479
get the six years ninety million.
At least you come with a plan,

1164
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:47.760
so I give you credit for that. Here, it's not my money first

1165
01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:55.199
and foremos not my money. I
get all that. I just don't understand

1166
01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:03.760
why we think throwing more money and
years at an unproven guy is going to

1167
01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:14.880
fix the problem. So people are
suggesting there have been articles written out West

1168
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.319
that Danny Hurley and the Lakers contract
offer could top one hundred million dollars.

1169
01:46:19.640 --> 01:46:31.000
Personally, I think that's irresponsible.
I think it's simply ridiculous. But I

1170
01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:41.239
suppose that's the way the world Monty
Williams is under a long term contract here

1171
01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:46.560
with the Pistons, a guy who
has been Coach of the Year, a

1172
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:50.720
guy who knows what it takes to
win in the NBA. I'm not saying

1173
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:56.520
he's the right choice, all right. They lost twenty eight straight games at

1174
01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:00.640
one point. That's the longest losing
streak in NBA history. For crying out

1175
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:11.399
loud, However, I'm not a
huge believer that you fix the problem by

1176
01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:18.600
just going out and creating another one. And whether he's the right guy or

1177
01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:23.640
not, I suppose remains to be
seen. Are you willing to give up

1178
01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:30.439
on Monty Williams after one year?
Again? You signed him to a six

1179
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:34.520
year deal worth seventy eight and a
half million dollars. He's done one year

1180
01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:40.000
of that where their mistakes made you
bet, and it was early on,

1181
01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:47.800
by the way, you want to
give a guy, so roughly, roughly,

1182
01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:56.640
Monty Williams is making what seventy eight
and a half million dollars six okay,

1183
01:47:57.039 --> 01:48:01.600
So he's making thirteen million a year, is that right? Okay?

1184
01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:06.840
So thirteen million a year, you're
gonna have to pay him an additional thirteen

1185
01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:13.159
million dollars per year over the next
five years, you're gonna pay him sixty

1186
01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:17.000
five million bucks. Then you're going
to bring in a guy for six years

1187
01:48:17.359 --> 01:48:27.479
and ninety million who's never done it
at this level. NBA Coach of the

1188
01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:30.119
Year, NBA guy, a guy
in the NBA who got his team to

1189
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:33.560
the postseason. Couldn't done it,
couldn't do it in one year. But

1190
01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:39.319
you're going to bring in a college
guy who's never coached NBA players and you're

1191
01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:43.079
gonna give him that type of commitment. Personally, I would not. It's

1192
01:48:43.119 --> 01:48:47.720
not my money. I'm not the
owner. Now, I'll be truthful here.

1193
01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:54.720
When the Pistons were pursuing Monty Williams, while people were getting caught up

1194
01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:57.800
in Coach of the Year and what
he's done in Phoenix and all this other

1195
01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:03.199
stuff, here's what I asked.
He said he wanted a break. He

1196
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:09.439
said he wanted out for a period
of time. Why did he come back?

1197
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:20.239
Was it the challenge? Was it
the money? Was it the history

1198
01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:27.800
of the Pistons. What was the
reason you had to go and float out

1199
01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:31.960
the highest contract for a coach in
the NBA to get him to come here.

1200
01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:41.199
That's troubling. The only reason I'm
not saying this is the only reason,

1201
01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:44.680
but it sure looks like on the
surface, the only reason you get

1202
01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:50.439
him is because of money. That's
not the reason you want. So I

1203
01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:56.000
would say no to that. But
I would have said no to Monty Williams

1204
01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:59.560
in the first place because they went
after him he said no, then they

1205
01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:06.520
co back went after him again with
more money than he said yes. Another

1206
01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:10.359
text, Ben, what do we
got? Yeah, it says Tiger's History

1207
01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:15.720
five, sixteen and seventeenth. Nineteen
eighty seven, Phil nicro and Steve Carlton,

1208
01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:19.720
both with three hundred wins at the
time, threw back to back games

1209
01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:26.079
versus Jack Morris and Waltterrell. I'm
guessing that has never happened in baseball.

1210
01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:30.560
Just a guess. Here's a good
here's a good little uh nogget if you're

1211
01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:38.439
talking about Tiger's history. Back in
nineteen thirty one, the A's trumps to

1212
01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:43.680
Tigers twelve to two in their one
day road trip to Detroit, made necessary

1213
01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:50.319
by the Sunday prohibition of baseball in
Philadelphia. Tiger stranded eighteen of twenty base

1214
01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:57.479
runners that day. In nineteen forty
four, hell Newhauser he walked nine batters

1215
01:50:57.520 --> 01:51:01.359
in six innings in the loss to
the White Sox at Comiskey Park. Prince

1216
01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:05.239
hal, a future Hall of Famer, averaged nearly four and a half bases

1217
01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:13.680
on balls per nine innings during the
nineteen forty four season, and yet he

1218
01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:17.079
beat teammate Dizzy Trout for the ALMVP. He was twenty nine and eight,

1219
01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:23.079
had a two point two two ERA, and won the first of his back

1220
01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:28.319
to back ALMVP awards that year.
He walked four and a half batters per

1221
01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:33.840
nine that's nuts. Also on this
date, in two thousand and four,

1222
01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:41.880
the Tigers selected Justin Verlander. Then
they would turn around three years later and

1223
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:48.039
draft Rick Porcello. That's on this
date, June seventh, back in those

1224
01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:54.600
days, right, Greg camp He's
got a really good story. He's been

1225
01:51:54.640 --> 01:52:01.199
a really good coach for a long
time, and he just signed a contract

1226
01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:06.600
extension deservedly. So he's going to
join us and we're going to talk about

1227
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:13.399
that, the push toward the push
in the NCAA Tournament a year ago,

1228
01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:17.840
and we're going to talk a little
bit about college coaches and the transition to

1229
01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:23.560
the NBA. His thoughts on that
and more coming up with Greg Campy,

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01:52:24.079 --> 01:52:27.840
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the hour, welcome out of Friday. I hope you got plans for the

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weekend and we'll enjoy it as well. Always enjoy the conversation we have with

1249
01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:23.239
Great campy On, one of the
most accomplished coaches in his division one tenure

1250
01:54:23.359 --> 01:54:27.960
forty years at Oakland University. What
a ride it has been. And he

1251
01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:31.520
gets a contract extension and deservedly so. He joins us here on exus and

1252
01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:36.279
Bros. Coach, Hope you and
your family are well. Congratulations you are

1253
01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:40.600
the longest tenured coach. You've done
it for forty years. Why do you

1254
01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:45.479
keep doing it? That's another question, Matt, especially you know, in

1255
01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:48.720
this day and age with you know, the way things are changing so much,

1256
01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:55.720
and most of the people in my
generation, you know, are moving

1257
01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:59.760
on to do something else. And
it's funny, is ocause when I talk

1258
01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:01.960
to. So I think we start
every conversation with why we're still doing this,

1259
01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:04.880
you know, And the truth of
the matter is, man, I

1260
01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:08.880
don't know what else I would do. I'm going I love it. It's

1261
01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:13.199
still no matter how it changes,
no matter you know, you hear of

1262
01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:16.079
doomsday coming and all that kind of
stuff. I still get to be around

1263
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:19.279
eighteen to twenty two year old young
men, you know, every day and

1264
01:55:20.279 --> 01:55:25.199
having a part of their lives and
being able to help shape their lives.

1265
01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:27.880
Whether they're only with me for a
year and now or they're with me for

1266
01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:31.359
four it's still something that I kind
of enjoy and revel in. Yeah,

1267
01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:35.399
but you could retire. Are you
one of those guys who just can't sit

1268
01:55:35.479 --> 01:55:39.840
still and you need to do something? Or is it just because of the

1269
01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:45.119
intoxication you get from coaching basketball and
make a difference in young people's lives,

1270
01:55:45.159 --> 01:55:48.359
both on the floor and off it. I like that word intoxicating it because

1271
01:55:48.359 --> 01:55:53.920
it's probably what it is. Yeah, you know, it's yeah, I

1272
01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:56.600
don't know what else I would do, really, Man. I play golf.

1273
01:55:56.680 --> 01:55:59.680
I play a lot of golf,
but a lot of that is because

1274
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:01.680
it's like playing hockey, you know, if I get out there and play

1275
01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:04.079
around the golf, I enjoy it
because I know maybe I shouldn't even be

1276
01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:09.520
out here. And you know,
if I could play every day and not

1277
01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:12.159
have to worry about anything, I'm
not sure I would enjoy it as much.

1278
01:56:12.279 --> 01:56:16.239
So and then you know, there's
competition has been in you know,

1279
01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:20.680
my whole life has been competition growing
up as a kid, as a player,

1280
01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:26.039
and then I got into coaching right
away, and you know, I'm

1281
01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:29.199
a very competitive person, and I
think I would really miss that, you

1282
01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:32.279
know, I really do. And
I'm sure there will be a day that

1283
01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:35.359
I walk in and say, Okay, I've had enough. But right now

1284
01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:41.279
I don't see that day anywhere near
so Kaki Cousins or the Sharf, because

1285
01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:45.079
both are fantastic. There at your
school, Yeah, there are very few

1286
01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:50.600
golf courses or very few institutions at
college institutions in this country that have two

1287
01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:55.800
golf courses. And there are value
that have Yeah they have one good one

1288
01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:59.760
let alone too. So I'm a
I'm an old school guy though I like

1289
01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:03.479
yeah better, you know, I
just I think it's a better test of

1290
01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:08.680
boff I. There's nothing wrong with
either. I mean, they're both top

1291
01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:12.720
twenty thirty golf courses in the state
of Michigan. So it's kind of cool

1292
01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:15.600
that we have them on our campus. And yeah, but I like Khaki

1293
01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:21.920
the best. I asked this the
other day of somebody of Jim Leland when

1294
01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:25.960
he was on our show, and
I said, who's the ideal for them?

1295
01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:30.239
If you could have any foursome your
three other golfers obviously to play with,

1296
01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:34.319
whether they're alive or dead, and
whether they're good golfers or not,

1297
01:57:34.680 --> 01:57:40.640
who would be in that force theme
for you? Oh? Wow, jeez?

1298
01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:45.359
If that would depend on are we
playing for money? Are we just

1299
01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:48.560
playing for fun? No, you're
playing for the enjoyment of life. Oh

1300
01:57:48.920 --> 01:57:55.000
okay, because if we were playing
for money, I'd want guys with a

1301
01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:59.760
lot of money that were going to
get me a lot of right, guys

1302
01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:02.720
who can hit from the whites.
Yeah, yeah, you guys go all

1303
01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:05.119
the way to the back and let
me come up here. Right. So

1304
01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:13.479
well, I mean, I'm a
religious guy, so obviously if Jesus Christ

1305
01:58:13.680 --> 01:58:16.600
was alive, that would be that
would be number one of all time,

1306
01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:21.680
you know, to have an opportunity
to do that, that would that would

1307
01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:25.520
be I think if I could get
him and just be me and him.

1308
01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:28.720
I wouldn't want to share him with
anybody else. Well that's a great answer.

1309
01:58:28.800 --> 01:58:30.319
Yeah, that's a great answer.
And you know what the only thing

1310
01:58:30.439 --> 01:58:33.840
is, you know, you wonder
if if he would give you the three

1311
01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:36.720
foot gimmes, you know that's good, you'd probably make you put it in

1312
01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:43.159
a great camping joiners here on exues
and bros. What's the biggest challenge you

1313
01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:47.439
faced today as a head coach compared
to maybe not when you first started,

1314
01:58:47.479 --> 01:58:50.359
but even just twenty years ago.
What's the biggest challenge in how do you

1315
01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:58.479
deal with it? Well? I
think social media is obviously, you know,

1316
01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:01.720
far and away. Social media has
changed the world. You know,

1317
01:59:01.960 --> 01:59:08.680
it's just not changed. It's just
not changed sports or athletics or college basketball

1318
01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:13.039
football. It's changed the world.
The amount of disinformation, the amount of

1319
01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:19.399
people that feel free to say whatever
they want to say, the way that

1320
01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:26.920
our youth and the way people believe
what's on there, and how we our

1321
01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:32.920
youth really strives for likes and follows. And now why wouldn't they because you're

1322
01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:36.159
they're being compensated. The more people
they can get to follow them, the

1323
01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:42.239
more you know, they can be
compensated for that. There's all these influencers

1324
01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:45.479
out there, and I think that's
the biggest, biggest challenge. You know,

1325
01:59:45.560 --> 01:59:49.479
we talk a lot within our team
to you know, keep the outside

1326
01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:54.399
noise out, you know, that
type of stuff, but it's almost impossible

1327
01:59:54.439 --> 01:59:57.760
to do today. And it's not
just college kids. I mean that's what

1328
01:59:57.880 --> 02:00:00.600
pros do. As soon as they
get back to their life, They're on

1329
02:00:00.760 --> 02:00:03.359
their phones to see what's going on
and what's being said about them, which

1330
02:00:03.439 --> 02:00:09.159
is really unfortunate. You win the
Horizon League regular season title a year ago

1331
02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:13.720
and the tournament title a year ago. I've said this for a long time.

1332
02:00:14.000 --> 02:00:19.319
I don't think mid major programs get
the opportunity enough to get enough teams

1333
02:00:19.439 --> 02:00:25.800
in for you to have the resume
you had and win the regular season and

1334
02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:31.439
then have to do it again in
the tournament is borderline unfair. What do

1335
02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:38.760
you think should change for mid major
teams to have I don't even want an

1336
02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:44.880
equal play necessarily a level playing field, but a better opportunity to showcase more

1337
02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:49.640
of the thrilling moments we get,
like when your team beat Kentucky. Yeah,

1338
02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:56.520
that's an age old question, and
what I tell people and I think

1339
02:00:56.560 --> 02:01:00.840
it surprises them. Is our conference
tournament is? Is? It is the

1340
02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:05.720
I don't ever want to see that
goal away because at the mid major level,

1341
02:01:05.880 --> 02:01:09.760
the only other times you're going to
cut nets down is if you go

1342
02:01:09.840 --> 02:01:13.199
to the final four, and then
again if you win the championship, you

1343
02:01:13.279 --> 02:01:15.079
know, you don't cut next we
beat Kentucky, we didn't cut the nets

1344
02:01:15.159 --> 02:01:18.479
down. You know, we almost
beat NC State, we lost in the

1345
02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:21.760
you know and overtime. And even
if we'd won that game, we're going

1346
02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:26.800
to the sweet sixteen. We don't
cut the nets down. And so every

1347
02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:31.880
conference tournament ends with you know,
the confetti flying, the team cutting nets

1348
02:01:31.960 --> 02:01:38.119
down, the you know, you've
accomplished something so hard that I would hate

1349
02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:41.479
to see that go away, and
our players lose that because the chances of

1350
02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:45.039
them cutting the nets down at the
national championship game aren't probably that that good.

1351
02:01:46.680 --> 02:01:49.199
Yeah, it's hard. I mean, of the thirty leagues last year,

1352
02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:54.640
twenty one of the thirty champions got
beat in their conference tournament. And

1353
02:01:54.760 --> 02:01:58.680
then, you know, I say
this a lot. I don't think people

1354
02:01:58.800 --> 02:02:00.880
really understand what I'm say. I
think they're trying to They look at me

1355
02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:05.720
as making an excuse or something like
that. But you know, Michigan State's

1356
02:02:05.760 --> 02:02:11.439
got a string of twenty eight or
nine straight years going to the nc Tournament

1357
02:02:11.600 --> 02:02:15.800
something like that. Correct. Yeah, And in the last twenty years,

1358
02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:21.000
since two thousand and five, the
only way that Oakland can get to the

1359
02:02:21.119 --> 02:02:27.319
NCAA Tournament is to win our conference
tournament, right, we just talked about

1360
02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:31.279
that. So we've won it four
times in the last twenty years, the

1361
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.239
conference tournament. How many times you
think Michigan State has won the Big Ten

1362
02:02:35.319 --> 02:02:42.560
conference tournament nos twenty years? The
number four? I was going to say

1363
02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:45.800
three, but yeah, okay,
yeah, Michigan has won at three.

1364
02:02:47.960 --> 02:02:53.680
I think Western Michigan's won at once, Detroit's won at once. Eastern Michigan

1365
02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:57.600
I don't think has won it in
the last twenty years. Central Michigan maybe,

1366
02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:00.279
No, I don't think they have
either. So that's how hard it

1367
02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:03.039
is to win that conference tournament.
And that's how hard it is for a

1368
02:03:03.119 --> 02:03:09.680
mid major to get to the NCAY
tournament. But the Power fives, obviously,

1369
02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:12.439
Mission State's gone twenty eight years in
a row. And I'm not belittling

1370
02:03:12.560 --> 02:03:15.600
that it in any way, shape
or form. I'm just I'm just giving

1371
02:03:15.680 --> 02:03:19.920
honest information out there, so when
we have this conversation, we realize how

1372
02:03:20.039 --> 02:03:26.560
hard it is. But it's also
really hard to win the regular season is

1373
02:03:26.640 --> 02:03:29.439
my point, and it's been my
points for a long time. I'm not

1374
02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:33.159
taking anything away from Power five conferences
either. And look, I'm a MAC

1375
02:03:33.199 --> 02:03:36.159
guy, I'm a mid major guy, so there might be some bias.

1376
02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:42.279
But when you put together and you're
as a coach, you're telling you guys,

1377
02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:45.560
look, every game matters, we
want to be the one seed,

1378
02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:48.960
so on and so forth, and
then you slip up one game compared to

1379
02:03:49.520 --> 02:03:56.000
the entire regular season. I think
that is short changing a mid major team.

1380
02:03:56.039 --> 02:03:58.600
I don't have the answer, so
I don't want to be a hypocrite

1381
02:03:58.600 --> 02:04:01.199
here. I don't necessarily have the
answer. I just think it's a really

1382
02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:04.439
tough challenge for these teams, and
I think there has to be a different

1383
02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:10.079
way of looking at possibly getting them
in even if they happen to stub their

1384
02:04:10.159 --> 02:04:16.119
toe in a mid major tournament championship
game. I noticed the whole talk about

1385
02:04:16.239 --> 02:04:19.680
Danny Hurley going from Yukon to possibly
the Lakers. He's interviewing with the Lakers

1386
02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:26.159
today. Eleven coaches over the last
thirty years coach Campy have jumped from the

1387
02:04:26.239 --> 02:04:32.680
collegiate game to the professional level.
The winning percentage combined is forty five percent.

1388
02:04:33.640 --> 02:04:40.520
Two men, Billy Donovan and Brad
Stevens are the only ones to have

1389
02:04:40.640 --> 02:04:46.479
winning records. What do you think
is the biggest issue for college coaches to

1390
02:04:46.640 --> 02:04:53.359
try and adapt to the NBA game. I don't think it's the coaching part

1391
02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:56.600
of it, man, I really
don't. I think some of it is

1392
02:04:56.720 --> 02:05:01.720
probably you know, when you're in
college at eighteen to twenty two year old

1393
02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:08.399
and you're trying to turn them from
you know, not children but young adults

1394
02:05:08.520 --> 02:05:13.239
into men, and when you get
to college at the pro level, you've

1395
02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:16.159
already got men there, I think, so that's part of it. But

1396
02:05:16.279 --> 02:05:23.520
the biggest thing is roster construction.
And in college, I construct my roster.

1397
02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:27.399
If I took an NBA, I'm
not constructing your roster. They have

1398
02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:32.439
general managers and presidents and directors of
operations and all these people are making millions

1399
02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:36.680
of dollars and that's their job to
figure out contracts and come up with the

1400
02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:42.800
roster. So part of college coaching
is being obviously having a good roster.

1401
02:05:43.359 --> 02:05:49.159
So then the second thing on that
I think is that most pro coaches take

1402
02:05:49.279 --> 02:05:54.720
over and that's why it's open.
They take over a bad situation, and

1403
02:05:54.840 --> 02:05:59.560
it's a lot easier to fix a
bad situation at the college level than it

1404
02:05:59.680 --> 02:06:04.279
is the NBA level through the draft
or through however, you know, trades

1405
02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:09.159
or however it's being done at the
NBA level, And at college you have

1406
02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:13.880
say, you know, now,
did John Calipari when he went to the

1407
02:06:13.960 --> 02:06:15.680
next that he have total say?
I don't know. I would guess he

1408
02:06:15.800 --> 02:06:23.000
didn't. But John Calipark can coach
now. And so it's it's more situational

1409
02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:26.800
than it is coaching, the actual
coaching of it. But I do think

1410
02:06:26.880 --> 02:06:31.600
there is you know, you're not
in the college level, Dan Hurley is

1411
02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:36.760
king of you con right now.
All the roster decisions are made by him.

1412
02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:41.840
If he says jump, everybody in
that building says how high it's.

1413
02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:45.359
You know, all the players if
they just want to be there, if

1414
02:06:45.359 --> 02:06:47.359
they're being paid enough, they just
want to be there. So, uh,

1415
02:06:48.000 --> 02:06:51.079
you know, it's a whole different
situation when he goes to the Lakers

1416
02:06:51.119 --> 02:06:55.800
and he's going to have players that
you know, believe they should have a

1417
02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:59.279
say and everything. You've got an
owner, You've got so I think it

1418
02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:00.960
all has to do with that more
than it has to do with the exos

1419
02:07:01.640 --> 02:07:04.880
oh's of coaching. I agree on
how to persent with it. What do

1420
02:07:04.960 --> 02:07:09.600
you like most about your situation at
Oakland Speaking? You have King of Campus.

1421
02:07:09.880 --> 02:07:14.600
What do you like most about your
situation there? Well, when you've

1422
02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:16.199
been at a place as long as
I've been, you know, everybody right,

1423
02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:20.359
and now there's turnover and everything.
But you know, you walk into

1424
02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:24.600
a building and a guy that's sweeping
the floor comes over and you have a

1425
02:07:24.680 --> 02:07:27.439
conversation with him. You know,
he's got a son named so and so.

1426
02:07:27.680 --> 02:07:30.439
You know you you know, and
it's a we've got twenty thousand students,

1427
02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:34.359
but it's a small town atmosphere.
You know, I'm a small town

1428
02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:38.119
guy. I grew up in Defiance, Ohio. That's how my life always

1429
02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:42.119
was. And uh so it just
really has fit me. Well. You

1430
02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:45.800
know, I've got I got a
group of friends that you know, I

1431
02:07:45.880 --> 02:07:50.319
got, I've got you know,
a golf course is to play, I've

1432
02:07:50.399 --> 02:07:54.680
got you know, those are the
things that I have. A here's a

1433
02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:58.479
better way to put it. I
have a great quality of life. And

1434
02:07:58.800 --> 02:08:01.720
in this business, and you've been
around this business, you know, the

1435
02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:07.159
quality of life for the pressure of
college coaching at the level, you know,

1436
02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:11.680
the highest levels, it really affects
your quality of life. You know,

1437
02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:16.039
there's so many you know, pitfalls, There's so many people you have

1438
02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:20.800
to please, There's so many things
that have to be done that you know,

1439
02:08:20.960 --> 02:08:24.279
the stress and the pressure of it
can really get to coaches and you

1440
02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:28.279
see them get out and you see
a lot of coaches get fired because of

1441
02:08:28.319 --> 02:08:31.319
that kind of stuff. So I've
been lucky, you know. I I

1442
02:08:33.279 --> 02:08:39.800
love what I do. I have
an unbelievable situation that I live in and

1443
02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:48.000
I've never you know, there's a
song out there. The lyrics was,

1444
02:08:48.760 --> 02:08:52.560
you know, it's not wanting what
you it's not getting what you want,

1445
02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:58.000
it's wanting what you've got. And
I think that I've been somebody that's just

1446
02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:03.359
wanted what I have. I've had
chances to go elsewhere, right plenty over

1447
02:09:03.439 --> 02:09:07.119
your forty years. Why did you
ever learn it? Because it was never

1448
02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:13.319
it was never life changing money.
You know, I'm saying it wasn't Michigan

1449
02:09:13.399 --> 02:09:16.079
at three million a year or five
million a year or whatever it is,

1450
02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:20.079
or it makes four million. You
know, it wasn't a Michigan or a

1451
02:09:20.159 --> 02:09:24.000
Michigan state. It wasn't a you
know, obviously those are you know that

1452
02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:28.199
in this where we live, those
are the two jobs to the best,

1453
02:09:28.520 --> 02:09:31.920
you know, ten jobs in the
country. It wasn't those places. It

1454
02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:35.920
wasn't a Kentucky or you know,
a Power five that you could go to

1455
02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:41.159
the national championship in. And I
didn't want to chase that. I never

1456
02:09:41.279 --> 02:09:43.560
wanted to chase it. I didn't
want to take I wasn't willing to take

1457
02:09:43.640 --> 02:09:48.399
the next step like a Missouri Valley
or you know. I've been offered,

1458
02:09:48.279 --> 02:09:52.920
you know, a handful of jobs
like that over the years, and when

1459
02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:56.079
I looked at them, it just
wasn't worth to chase. And you know,

1460
02:09:56.800 --> 02:10:01.239
probably that's why I've not gotten you
know, the Tennessee that, you

1461
02:10:01.319 --> 02:10:05.399
know, we go to Tennessee and
we beat them. Yeah, they're at

1462
02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:09.119
seventh in the country. We beat
them, and the coach leaves, and

1463
02:10:11.239 --> 02:10:13.920
you know, I make a phone
call there and they say, yeah,

1464
02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:16.039
yeah, wow, you're a great
coach. But you know, it's just

1465
02:10:16.159 --> 02:10:20.640
not what we want right now.
So okay, you know that's fine.

1466
02:10:20.680 --> 02:10:24.439
I'm lucky. I got what,
I got a good perspective last thing before

1467
02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:28.119
I let you go. It's been
enjoyable. I always enjoy it with you.

1468
02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:35.600
How much can you use last year's
success toward building quote unquote momentum for

1469
02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:41.000
next year or this coming season?
And afterwards we're hot? I mean that

1470
02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:48.680
ended and I've had more speaking engagements, more you know, interviews, more

1471
02:10:50.119 --> 02:10:54.760
taking more pictures with people came here. I tried at the draft. You

1472
02:10:54.840 --> 02:10:56.680
know, of course, there were
seven hundred thousand people there and they're all

1473
02:10:56.920 --> 02:11:01.640
they're all sports, you know,
related people, So it's not like a

1474
02:11:01.760 --> 02:11:05.199
regular walk to the park where somebody
has no idea about basketball. Right.

1475
02:11:05.760 --> 02:11:09.159
It took me over two hours to
walk from I was. I did something

1476
02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:11.560
at the Caucus Club on one side
of town, and I had to walk

1477
02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:13.600
to the Detroit Athletic Club, which
is about a ten minute walk. It

1478
02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:18.039
took me over two hours to get
there, just because of the amount of

1479
02:11:18.079 --> 02:11:22.560
pictures I had to take with people. So we're a hot commodity right now,

1480
02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:24.319
and we want to keep that going. We want to build on it.

1481
02:11:24.399 --> 02:11:26.640
We want to get to a Sweet
sixteen next year. We want to

1482
02:11:26.680 --> 02:11:30.840
get to a Final four. That's
our goal. And that's what we're trying

1483
02:11:30.880 --> 02:11:35.800
to do. But the reality of
it is, you know, every white

1484
02:11:35.920 --> 02:11:39.479
six foot five shooter in the country's
calling us and want to come here because

1485
02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:43.880
they think they can be Jack goldkid
shoot three hundred threes. Right. So

1486
02:11:43.039 --> 02:11:46.640
when they call, and some of
them are really really good, I mean,

1487
02:11:46.720 --> 02:11:50.199
they're guys that could do what Goki
did. But when they find out

1488
02:11:50.399 --> 02:11:54.840
that we don't have one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars or two hundred thousand what

1489
02:11:54.880 --> 02:12:00.439
they're asking for to come, that
conversation ends. They're more stood in the

1490
02:12:00.520 --> 02:12:03.840
money than the opportunity. You know, Jack Golkie, no one knew who

1491
02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:11.199
he was. When the Kentucky game
tipped off. He had four hundred followers

1492
02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:16.159
on Instagram, when five hours after
the Kentucky game he had sixty five thousand

1493
02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:20.039
followers on Instagram. He's made a
ton of money because what he did.

1494
02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:24.720
I can't convince these people to make
it that way. They want it up

1495
02:12:24.760 --> 02:12:28.039
front, they want I'm the outcome
for one hundred and thousands. Well,

1496
02:12:28.079 --> 02:12:33.399
they've got to consider you because you're
such a great coach, You're a great

1497
02:12:33.439 --> 02:12:37.439
person. I've always appreciated our conversations
and our friendships. I hope you and

1498
02:12:37.520 --> 02:12:39.840
I can play golf sometimes. In
the meantime, enjoy your summer. You've

1499
02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:41.920
earned a coach. Thanks for the
time today. Have a great weekend,

1500
02:12:43.680 --> 02:12:46.560
man, I appreciate it. Appreciate
you having me on you bet Greg Campy,

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02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:50.359
head coach Oakland University. What a
guy got to say goodbye to him,

1502
02:12:50.479 --> 02:12:52.479
got to say good bye to Ben. Thanks to all your texts.

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