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Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm
Steve Rivera, he's Jakin's ass. We're running solo, so expect mistakes here.
We are one. You've had some confidence and I pushed the button.
I know the history of our program. I'm going with the trend. I
hear you. You got Monday dogs, I got Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday's
afternoons. Ste Barrow something like, I hear you, but probably not,
probably not. We've done well, you've done fantastic. Who might have said
about running the board? I don't even touch that thing's blind sorrel's I believe
in the blind sport. Yes, okay, Hey everybody, if you guys
want to call in, please do. We've been getting some pretty good calls
to five two oh foe seventy four forty. I think we have a great
show today. We do. This is gonna be fun. Jim Live and
good. Well, look two guys that are from the let's call it the
previous generation of college sports, right before nil, before chance reportals, we
had access all this stuff right when we used to have access before social media,
before social media, right all that. Uh, and so we'll get
you know, we'll get their take on how, you know, God,
would they even like to be doing what they were doing? Right? Jim
Livan good More rath leg director Arizona, Washington State UNLV and then Bob Davy
at football coach Notre Dame, New Mexico. He's a TV guy now,
former former you know, former assistant coach at Arizona. You know, they've
they they've been around a while, They've seen a lot, they're still involved.
Right, what do they think, you know, what do they think
about the fact that next year the Pac twel was gone. No, we'll
talk all about that interesting stuff. But I haven't seen Jim. We had
gym earlier this year. We've had him on in March March ish. Uh.
We just I said, you know, okay, let's trying to get
back back on see what he's up to and then get all this new take
on it. Yeah, he's been gone more than ten years now, twelve
thirteen years because Burn through the Greg Burn and Davey. Yeah, yeah,
late to two thousand, he's the one to hire shot. So two thousand
and nine ish, two thousand and nine, I think it was his last
year. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's uh, let's see,
I'm trying to look him up. Yeah, it's two thousand nine,
two thousan ten because he got shot in two thousand and nine. The citizen
clothes then, So that's kind of how I remember things. Yeah, so
you know, you know, but a guy who again he was seen a
lot and looking he was at Arizona at a time when you know, there
was a lot of growth and a lot of success. Things happened, a
lot of success. Yeah, you know, some call at the Golden Age.
Yeah, so I think I have. I don't know, you've kind
of nodded your head. Yeah, don't you think, Well, go ahead,
I don't want to interrupt yourself. That's so. So I think the
guy who started at all, the guy who was obviously Cedric, right,
he planted the seeds, well, Cedric Cedric aggressively went out and tried to
do things to uh improve not just an individual sport, but just Arizona program
profile as a as a as a national and he did that, you know,
and he did that by hiring Luke. He got he got the football
program with Larry Smith and and Dick Tommy going, you know again, like
you said, you know, Mike Andre made a lot of moves that got
the balls rolling. Jim Live and good kind of took it to you know,
the next step, particularly with you know, with the with Arizona basketball
and the profile that it continued to establish, you know, brought football along
where you know, through the Dick Tomy years, became a you know,
a top program in some seasons, you know, but certainly when they got
talked about a lot a large part because of a desert swarm and all that
stuff, you know, and then turned it over to Greg Burns. So
you know, I think it's it's, uh, you know, he's a
guy that and look like anybody, right, like like anybody in a position
like his, they're always detractors. People said he's doing a terrible job for
this sort of course of course, right. But when you look back on
it today and you look back on his time here, you think pretty well
of it, don't you. Yeah? No, I I yeah, and
you're not revising any history either. No, you're just saying the facts.
And I think there's more. Uh. Isn't a business you have more positives
and negatives. Uh at the end of the day. Well, when you
think about the facilities and things like that that they started started to build,
you know, all that a lot of that started to happen when uh.
Yeah, I think though he was kind of he was at the tail end
of that, and then Greg came in and raised a few dollars and it
started being and getting the football arena, football hysteria up up to up to
speed. Yeah, so I think that uh, you know, look,
he was friendly a guy as that could be one of those guys who,
hey, let me say something, who knew your name? Yeah, who
shook your hand, shook your hand? I mean you you know, you
may be mad him twice, yet he knew who you are. And guy
guys in those positions do that. Greg Byrne was a master at that.
Yeah, you know, Okay, Yeah, we're gonna say Greg was good
at it, but I think he was more and I'll say this publicly,
he was more of he his his his shaking of the hand was more of
Yes, he would. I'm not gonna deny that. But depends the higher
profile the person, the more shaking of the hands. Yeah, like anybody
though, I mean he doesn't do that. Well, you gotta treat kind
of people equally. Yeah, it might, it might. You know what
I'm saying. You know exactly what I'm saying. No, I I yeah,
no, I know, I'm gonna say. Here Alive and good went
to u n LV and two thousand and nine nine, right, So how
long was he well after he left after after young of a gap? Oh?
Was there from when he left a and started at UNLV. Oh,
it was just right away, right away, he was right away. Yeah,
he's right away. He was here for fifteen years, Yeah to nineteen
eighty four. So, you know, a great time, great time,
good guy. We had our run ins, but you know we got him
solved right away. You know, you have to ask questions. Sometimes he
doesn't like the questions. Well you know what, well, yeah, and
you know what, but he always he never looked Maddie. No, No,
he was fair. He was he was fair, which is which is
what Dave Hickey does. Right. I think I think he's really good at
that because we've asked him some things, and you know, sure, and
and he and he understands that we have to ask those things, so he
just tells you what he can. No. No, he's been very straightforward
with us. We can joke with him and not joke with him, and
he understands our situation. I think too that the eras of our time and
today's time are totally different, you know, way different. You know,
the access to these guys is very little. Thank god, I don't have
to do it now. I'm sure you're happy too. We're a little bit
that we do. I'm frustrated with our little access we can, right you
know. You know we got Jet fifh twice a week fifteen. We gotta
get him on this show. Yeah, and you know why I say that.
I know he would come on, I know if we can. If
we asked him directly, you know what, he'd say, Sure, sure,
But we have to go through hoops and all, because if we can
get the U TEP coach to come on a week of a game, couple
of days before the game, we could get our old coach, so we
could honestly, am I folding? No, Steve, You're not. You
would think that we could, but let's start asking. We'll start asking.
If they continue to say, we'll ask some more, right, because what
they're gonna do tell us, No, they're telling us now, yeah,
we'll call him out on on the ring. Yeah, it's it's just ja
jeto Okay. What we do is not brain surgery, thankfully, because patients
would have died in my in my watch. No, what Steve, What
we do is that is that we give We give you know, uh,
people, coaches, administrators, whatever, an opportunity, a platform, a
platform to say what they what they want to say. Sure, there's things
we want to know. Yeah, that's the trade off. We'll ask you
some questions, you tell us some things and and you know you can get
your you know, your message out and would like to you know, get
the information that our listeners wanting. Sure, that's all we're trying to do,
you know, not You and I aren't investigative reports. We're not we're
not trying to find out have you been uh, you know, having phone
sex with some lady that you shouldn't be having phone sex. We're not asking
those questions to ask, right, really, fun, We're just we're just
trying to find out, you know, how things are going, you know,
anything new coming up? You know, Well, you asked him a
question he had He wasn't uncomfortable. He was joking with you, of course
about the the usage of the running back trade. Yeah, I'm about going
to tell you Ja, I can't tell that. That was kind of funny.
And then he didn't. Then you did. Then he gave us an
answer. It wasn't everything that I was hoping it would be, sure,
but it was the answer that he was willing to get. Fine, you
know, and I didn't both sides. That's all okay, So we'll try
to do that. Like I said, it's not brain surgery. We just
talk about stuff on the no and we try to have we try to have
a conversation because it was really fun. I think a really interesting thing that
I that I read uh today about Dan Patrick who did did did an interview
with somebody and he said, I don't do a sports show. I do
a show. Yeah, you know, we talk about other stuff. Yes,
we talk about a lot of sports, Yes, but we talk about
whatever. You know, they'll talk about Taylor Swift, they'll talk about you
know, music that they like. We'll talk about a lot a lot of
talk about food, you know, so and that's you know way I feel
like it's a kid to us. That's kind of which was trying to have
conversations that we would be having wherever. The one of the most popular stories
or shows that I remember us doing that I got a lot of feedback was
for when Olivia Newton John died because we kind of went back to our old
little kid days. And you know, who do we have a crush on,
you know, black blood, you know, all time women. And
because you know why, I heard other dudes our age saying, oh yeah,
I remember in Pamela and Pamela from Dallas whatever her name was, Priscilla
Presley, all these people, you know they had It's just the stir of
conversation, right and that's you know, that's all. That's all. We
tried it. Yeah, we have. We try to have fun with it,
you know. We we do get into some serious sure, of course.
And and there's there's a very serious one going on right now. Yeah
with mouth talking over at Michigan. Well there's one. And you've got the
stuff with Colorado State and see what happened with Dolora today, and then that's
not gonna go away. That's you know, that's not gonna go. Well,
then it won't. And and you know, you know the funny thing
about it, Jay, with that, I would have gone yesterday. I
don't know, because I was thinking this question. I didn't know the timing
of the story and the start to day. But NORMA thought Norman did a
great job. Was that. I thought that Jaden to this point has done
a fantastic job. We are kind of blocking the noise if there if there's
been noise, right what I'm saying, Yeah, because it's been he's been
here. He hasn't been Mississippi or whatever, but he's been in his cocoon
here. Yeah. Well he's been. Yeah, you know, he's been.
Whether it's right or wrong, he's been able to just kind of set
it aside and and move on. But now this thing has crept up again.
We got a couple of minutes. It's just so you know, this
whole thing came out because there was this lawsuit that was filed by the by
the plane the plane if a victim in this thing, filed against Jane Delora
and the other guy that was involved in this. They they came up with
a settlement of the lawsuit. That thing got filed publicly, and that's how
it got found out by the by the newspaper in Hawaii, this alleged sexual
assault peticularly, I'm gonna say alleged because he's not been convicted of anything.
So a judge recently, and I don't know, uh, it was in
August thirty first ruling said that the amount that that was settled for by the
victim was too low. That these guys are making more money now because they're
getting nil whatever, and there's no no statement as to how much of that
how much it is. But the judges makes me saying that she settled for
too low of an amount and he's declined to accept the settlement and saying go
back to the table and they set up a mediation for January that he's gonna
that that the lawyers and I'm assuming James Delore will have to be a part
of to go kind of basically redo this and say, Okay, this is
how much she should be getting. There's no doubt they both both parties want
to settle it because if she settled for too low, she just wants to
settle this thing right now, they're saying and then the judge is kind of
watching out for her to say you're not getting enough out they're sure for what
happened, and for the kind of money that these guys part of me that
she wants to end this, she wants to get and she she doesn't have
her family doesn't have a whole lot of money too to move forward with it.
And then she's, I guess put more owners on the school than the
guys, right right, they said, Okay, uh, they're part of
it, but so is the school. Yeah. So so that's what's happened.
So this thing is hanging out there again. Now I suspect because now
nothing happens until a mediation in January that just okay, this has happened.
Let's move on and we'll take care of it in January. And then look
that that's not a coincidence as to why they said it for January as opposed
to October, November, September. Rights over an opportunity for for him to
take care of his business. Because part of this is if if if the
judge saying she should be getting more money, well he's got to go out
and earn that money. Yeah, right, So they're they're just getting and
it kind of gave a hint how much he was making it in il the
car he was driving things like that. So so okay, so let's let's
take the break. Yeah, come back with mister Lavin good Jim. Yep,
we will have Jim. I'm a good coming up right over me in
a couple of minutes. So you stick around and then we'll take your calls.
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Steve Rivera and Jaden Summits. This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports
fourteen Theory. Hey, welcome back to Why on the Volcano on Fox Sports
spurteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jakin's Austin and I want to phone.
We have former YU of A athletic director Jim Live and good and Jim,
how you doing good? Steve to deal with you? And Jay absolutely
doing great. Great to have you on the show. We had you not
too long ago and maybe in March talking a little hoops and stuff. Let
me see this My guess, and I don't think I'm wrong with this,
is that your happiest hell for not being a D anymore? You know?
On see that as a capital h okay, a capital h on hell.
I mean, holy, how this stuff changes every hour, not by the
day, week or month, but every hour now to my knowledge, something
hasn't changed and snoop so shape right, But you're right, No, this
is a great life right now to and I feel for Dave and everybody else
who's in this business right now trying to make sense of things and wonder what
the next thing unless to do is Well, well, let's let's ask you
that, because you know, I mean, I know you're you're still a
fan. You still you know, pay attention to all the stuff. You
know, you were, you were in the middle of it for so long.
What's what have been some of the conversations you've had with guys who are
still in it, whether it's Hikey or somebody else that you know that you
know from your past with maybe it's still an athletic director or you know,
it's still involved with the program, whatever. What kinds of things do you
hear that they're going through. Well, you know, with guys, the
biggest thing is and I talk to people every day. I mean, that's
one of the things that kind of keeps men just is going, and it
keeps me young, so to speak. The worst guys in the profession right
now, guys were retired out of the profession, and that's all across the
country. The thing I think that gets all of them mostly, the biggest
thing right now is is not knowing what the next shoe is. What's the
next shoe to drop? If we know there are going to be things everything,
as much of the public might think right now, you know, things
are settled. You know, we've got things broken into these conferences and we're
just waiting to see what's going to have to the coops and the beavers.
But most of the things are settled. They're not. I mean, guys,
are are so many things I think that are going on behind the scenes
and that that it's crazy. So that's what keeps the people who are in
the professional week. The other people are just thinking they're lucky stars. And
when they go to sleep tonight at I put their head down, the fellowinsay,
hey, thank goodness that somebody else can do that today. You must
have been and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but disappointed
or alarmed or whatever word. When the word came out that the PAC twelve
was no longer or back then, absolutely I wasn't shocked, but because but
I'm not a soothsayer. So I certainly don't try to think that all the
answers, because you guys both know that I don't. But I was shocked
because of all the history, you know, going back to the City Coast
Conference, the Pack eight to Pack ten, the PAC twelve, that they're
just and you guys, I know I've talked about this before, but there's
just so much historical perspective and having dealt with so many people over the years
who were part of all of those things. That's hurtful thing right there.
And yet at the same time, like most you both Jay, you and
Steve Folk know this, it's not about where you've been, it's about where
you're going, so those kind of things. It's not trying to be a
futurist right here, but it's about today and tomorrow and what next week,
next month. Now, I said that with regards to that that you know,
the Fact twelve, it is about this year because there's still a PAC
twelve to play in everything, whether it's football, basketball, tennis, golf,
volleyball, baseball, everything. So yeah, it hurt just because of
having all those years between ridicularly between Washington State and Arizona, having been part
of this great conference. So put yours. Maybe I'm gonna ask you this,
put yourself in the shoes of the Washington State Athletic director. You were
there, you know, you know, you probably have a good sense of
the culture. You know the things that it stands for, the things that
it's been. And now they're in this position where they're sort of in limbo.
I mean, how how would you be handling that? Well, you
know, the hardest thing. And I know Pat Royle pat Chung has been
a friend for a long time. I mean back that they work for Jane
Smith of the Ohio State and he's a really good athletic director. They've got
a good president, Kerk Schultz, and I have a lot of friends who
are sugars. Whether it's on the west side of the side amounts that.
The answer to the question j I think in terms of anybody can say,
well, if this would happen, I do this, We do that.
I think the biggest thing right now is finding throughout what is the most stable
thing that we can possibly do as a relation to the cougars and the beavers,
and then how are we going to face the fight? Other words,
the fiscal part of this thing and of all the other things going on.
That's a proven real thing because the amount of money that's going to be different
regardless of whether there's a merge one way or another with a Mountain West,
with somewhat the AAC is involved a little bit or whatever, there's going to
be a massive propet revenue. And how do you do those kinds of things
that they're trying to do with the number of programs are trying to do it
for student athletes? I mean, how so that's the biggest thing right now
and the next September twenty three of looking sad because of these things. I
mean, you know this you talked about. Just think about the scheduling aspect
that because here and that means so the massive parts of the parts of the
parts. That's the answer to what I would do right now. I would
and I know they're doing this is get the break people you can with the
best thought you can in terms of what is that next step. And and
of course the legal the legalities of all this, and Jay that you with
your brothers, the British background and things like that, he's going to stand
it better. There's just much legalities and still there to be figured out.
That the fact help and money AND's golle. So guys, there's no there's
no one shoe fixall. There's no in the answer. It's not a thing
that well we'll do a B and say and then we'll be okay. I'm
just a really tough thing in a really short time drink. It's all so
in all this, like you said, you don't know what things changed from
hour to hour, seemingly your day to day. Uh. And since two
thousand, let's say twenty twenty. Uh, you talk about nil they image
and likeness, You talk about the turnover of the PAC twelve pack twelve,
you talk about the pandemic and the money lost. I guess there were forty
five million dollars in debt, right right. I think so many things have
happened, and it's not a quick fix. All this is not a quick
fix. You kind of have a lot of balls in the air. Say
there's a ton of balls in the air, and you just absolutely by saying
what you just said, I just reached on the corner of my desk for
my bottle of Ecceedron to mc cedrin. Even though I'm not involved that way.
It's just thinking about it. The number of balls. And again just
to think that you mentioned right there, you know, the realignments and so
on, the NI hell that the portal so many moving parts that in some
ways, and you guys know this, in some ways that affects All those
things are interrelated. All of those things affect each other. And it also
affects universities in terms of the development fund, rage and how that goes on
in terms of the activists or the university. So there are so many things.
Anybody who says they have an answer or has to figure out, they
won't work another hour in the rest of their life because they will make that
much money on the consulting tour. Yeah. So you know, one of
the things that we always ask, like we want to talking to a coach
or a player, you know, how do you watch the sport that you
were involved in? Right? We had Randy Robbinson yesterday we were talking about,
you know, how does he watch a football game? You are an
athletic director for all these years, how do you digest college athletics? So
you know, what do you pay attention to? Uh, you know,
were so many things going on, but say there's a football game in Arizona.
Football game, or are you an LV football game or you know,
basketball game or whatever. How do you digest your sports having the experience that
you have, Jay, It's a great question. I think the thing I
do now at this stage in life, and that my career and so on
and so forth with kids and grant kids and so on. I really try
to watch and enjoy it for the enjoyment and not think of all the ramifications
because if I get too deep into the ramifications of what that touchdown pass might
mean or if it was you know, last weekend, whether it's the Wildcats
and the UTAB and I thought the Cats played great, but the Colorado Colorado
was taking the number of kind of things. So I try not to get
my head get too much in the way of my heart and just kind of
enjoy it for the spirits event, because I couldn't do that the days that
I was working in AD because everything was so important in terms of bottom line
and other kind of things. What was the crowd like, what was the
weather like? Uh, what was the injury situation like? And regardless,
it wasn't just football because in everything, the kinds of things, what could
what could happen later today that we don't know about that. We had no
idea. I mean, just last night's a great example in terms of Nick
Chubb and the running back to Cleveland, in terms of how hard he's worked.
So I'm not trying to the philosophical guys, but there are just so
I've watched it and answer your question. I just try to watch it now
for the pure enjoyment of young people competing and trying to do the very as
they can. And then you know what the greatest thing is. And I
care about the wildcats, and I care about the Cougar, I care about
the rebels, and I care about the Saluti. Care about all those things.
But I don't have to wake up or go to bed Saturday night and
wonder what I feel like when I get up Sunday morning. No, no,
without questions, without question. I remember talking to you a number of
times about this. It's like it's like back in the day when we talk,
you had five hundred and fifty. I don't know how many student athletes
back there, but they're all kids, and something overnight could happen. And
the worst thing when you get a call past midnight, you never get a
good call as midnight, right, see if we talked about that. You
know, so many times you never knew my dad, just to say that
anybody that fellows you after midnight, quoth or whatever, nobody's ever calling you
to say, hey, you know what a fuck your birthday tomorrow are.
When I got calls after midnight, typically something was wrong that needed and immediate
attention. It was most things that we'll say, hey, Kbosi late at
night, we'll talk about later all No, it was something that needed media
attention. So and that's true in life, guys, for you, guys,
for everybody when you get calls, and it seems like there's a correlation
that the earlier in the morning that the call came after midnight, the more
serious it was. Right. Hey, the nice thing now is I don't
worry about those kinds of I worry about it in terms of kids and grand
kids certainly, but I don't worry about in terms of student athletes, because
you're right, with all the number of different directions we would have going on
with student athletes and all of our different sports. Hey, young people are
young people, and sometimes they're not always going to make great, sometimes not
even good decisions based on time, place, and where they are So one
another thing that we talked about back in the day you came you left Arizona
nearly at the beginning of the social media at times, and the Twitter and
the Facebook and all that. I'd like to call it crap, but back
in the day, it was the start of it. And I know,
being in your office one time and you said, you know what, Steve,
you could tell those comments or some of the comments back then we're coming
like after midnight and people on the internet kind of trolling and say, you
know, Jim Living Good socks and the Specimo tief sucks and blah blah blaces.
Yeah, I don't pay attention to that because it's that two o'clock dude.
Right, he's got a few bubblies and you know he's just talk now
you hear at twenty four seven. Well, Stevens exactly right, and those
kind of things. I mean, that was one of the things that you're
right, I missed a good part of that during the time here at Arizona.
And the amazing thing and of course it's it's more true now, much
more true every day now is people on whatever device, not just necessary to
the cell phone, but whatever device you're using the minute you and I'm talking
generically, guys, not to you both that the minutes to hits Sam.
It's Sam. It's not something that well, we can recapture that. And
so many things are done now for and you understand this better than I do,
because you guys are in the profession. So many things are done for
flip. So many things are done for sound by, so many things,
things that whether it's a student athlete or an athletic director or a coach or
whomever, so many things are done that if you just had a little bit,
a little bit of time to kind of rethink that, we probably wouldn't
say it because you know it's going to be a sound bite. You know
it's going to be something in somebody social media circle that's going to be out
there. And once it's out there, guys, it seemed as a fossil.
I mean, once it's out there, it must be true because it
was Hey I saw online? Yeah, absolutely right, one more glass thing
at least for me. Did you realize, I'm not sure you realized that
you created a monster on this little kid from northern northern New Mexico, small
town, northern New Mexico. Now the contest a monster out there. What
did you do at Washington State with this kid? He is? He's a
beauty. He I say, where he is. It's like having I tell
Jeremy and Michelle all the time. I like having another son because basically,
you know, my first hitter rationalist Chris was when he was twenty two years
old at Washington State when I hired, had had stain shells and the Latin
fields met. But he's done an amazing job and he isn't not a hotbed
of hotbeds. Now, I got you guys, as you well know.
Now he stayed handsomely for that. Yeah, well it's not like that.
He is, he's hurting bread, but he's a dandy, does a great
job, and he handles the pressure. Well. He's got a great wife
and the two great daughters. And we're the as you probably will know,
we're the the god parents too, Sophia. Okay, that's cool, that's
very cool. Yeah, well, Jim appreciate, we appreciate the time.
This has been fun. We love we love talking to you. You're saying
you're such a positive guy. Right. Steve and I were talking about how
all the athletic directors here have really been pretty good. Guys, you know,
going back to said Dempsey United, No, Dave's track. But you
know that even even when we ask you a question that you just don't want
an answer, you always answer it anyways kind of in your case, with
a smile on your face. We always appreciate that. Jay for saying that.
I appreciate that more than you know. But guys, you think you
appreciate what you do, and anytime I can beself in any way, Hey,
thanks for who you are and what you do, both of you,
both Steve and Jay. Okay, thank you, Jim, Thank you,
Thank you, Jim. Take care the afternoon, so you send you.
Thank you, Jim, love and good look talk Really dude who always had
a smile on his face. Yeah yeah, and you never knew if the
bad news was coming. You know, he would have bad news, but
somehow you'd figure out a way to, you know, to make it not
seem so bad. I always always thought that about him. Pretty cool,
Okay, cool, all right, let's take our breakwhen and come back.
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really really interested to hear, you know how somebody like that who's been in
the position that he was in, how he you know, watches sports right,
because when you when you, I mean, I think back to the
time that no question, when I left it, when I left covering sports,
and I went back to just being a fan, and even like at
a U of a football game, I'd be sitting at the stadium, all
right, and I was I was like kind of holding back a little bit
in terms of just being an all out fan. Yeah, you know,
I was still take it. I didn't see quite right for me to be
jumping up and down and sure, you know, yelling and screaming and stuff
and uh and you know when you, as Jim said, you know,
you live and die with every game of every ensure, every sport. Sure,
right when you're an athletic director. But now you know he gets to
just kind of sit on the side and let somebody else worry about all the
craptic goes on. No question, no, no question. This why I
don't get involved like that. Ja. That's and that's the damn rams.
Every so many times I get involved because you I want to enjoy the game.
I'm not like you. I'm not going to put the juice on it
just to enjoy the game. I just want to enjoy the game because I
don't want to I want to avoid the stress. Should I take that as
like a shot of the shot across the bout? No, No, not
like you, because you you do it, because you do it just you
would have I. I you know, I didn't give a crap about even
either game last night, nor you would have you right? And I wouldn't
have. But you know, I've known over over time in football pool and
stuff like that that home doog on Monday night is a thing. And so
I just threw a little you know, I had a I had a free
bet, all right, so it wasn't my money, and I put you
know, I took a two team part lay on the two homedogs last night
and I hit it. Yeah. No, it's fun and it's not enough.
It's just who you are, and it's who I am in terms of
enjoyment. That's why I don't cheer for the Cowboys. I don't cheer for
the red I just kind of watched the game. It's funny because he he
probably has a better enjoyment of things. Now you can just go okay,
I mean I can imagine Jim, you know, on a Saturday, you
know, hanging out wherever he hangs out, stand on the couch, you
know, watching some games, flipping channels and you know why you don't watching
Arizona and not. I'm sure he cares, but he knows that. As
he said, I don't have to get up on Sunday morning to hear about
it. Yeah right, And and that that that's just an interesting, an
interesting way of of going, you know, after you've been in a career
like he was in no question, as we get older, as we get
older, and now not at the tail end, but kind of near the
end, we're glad that we don't have to cover games, I mean covered
bike. The calls, well, we kind of talk about them. We're
react reactor, We watch them and pay attention, but you know, we
just have whatever our natural reaction. We're not digging into it, right.
I mean the conversations you know I have with you here, I'm having with
you know, my friends that I hang out with when we talk about the
game, it's kind of the same conversation. I think you and I go
a little deeper because we you know, we should. We know, that's
what that's what people listening to us on you know, are hoping to get
from us. But in a large part the conversations we're having in here,
our conversations that I have with whoever, sure, Sure, and it's it's
you know, I think our crowd is the older crowd. We skew a
little older, which is which you know, our our demographic, which is
fine, which is fine. It's just fine. No, it's good to
have them on the show. Anybody, We got about six minutes. If
you feel like calling, give us a call. We'd like to hear from
you. A lot of stuff going on. The Delora thing, somebody.
Another guy just sent me the Delora thing. We talked about it. All
right, we'll see how that plays out. But I don't think the next
eight games. Eight games, yeah, eight nine games. I'm still hopeful
that that it's gonna be. It's not gonna be easy on him on the
road. It's not you know, he's you know, they gotta go to
well. Yeah, they don't give a crap about stuff like that. Yeah,
but yeah, but you know, but they do if they have something
to mock before they will. Actually they're very good at that. I mean,
the band has been kicked out of games for stuff. They look to
the best, the best places to ever sometimes ever watch a game, Maples
Maple's Court. Maybe those dudes were still Obviously they're smart, right, and
they're smart assets exactly. Yes, we have a caller. You're on the
air and I on the ball. Hey Jay, this is done. How
are you guys doing? Pretty good? Don what's up? Hey? Something
that's kind of lugging me right now because I haven't heard anything is going forward
next school year in the Big twelve. Are we gonna have a viewing option
like the Pac twelve network to be able to watch the non revenue sports,
you know? Because yeah, I think they're working on that. Yeah.
I think I think that with the new contract, you you're you're probably gonna
need something like ESPN Plus, you know, to catch some of that stuff
because you go on there, like go on this, I know, just
I don't know if you have any an ESPN Plus accompany. If you go
on ESPN Plus and you look through the directory of stuff that's on, it's
all that stuff. So that's I think. I think that that's where you'll
a lot of stuff on there. Yeah, so done. I think that's
where you'll find it. So done. How vigilant are you doing this for
minor sports? Well, I mean, my granddaughter was born almost a year
ago, and I didn't get to go to any base ball games this year,
so I watched a lot of UFA baseball on the network. I watched
a lot of some of some of the softball. And then when you see
when you see women's basketball against the ranked team, or the volleyball team in
a match or whatever. I would watch. I would watch UFA Sports like
every other day. It seems like for you, well, you're gonna have
to you know. You realize though, there's now sixteen teams in the league,
so it's probably gonna get spread a little dinner. But I would imagine
things like women's basketball, you're gonna see a lot of that. I believe.
It's like, I think that's the deal, right, isn't it ESPN
plus work. All that stuff is gonna be because there's not gonna be a
PAC twelve network anymore. Yeah, but a lot of a lot of the
games that were on the PAC twelve network we're on that. We're on the
app anyway. We're like, especially the UFA baseball games, there was a
camera behind home plate and no sound, no nothing, and there's a game,
well then you could just watch it. Those are things that those are
things that the schools do. They can, you know, if a game
is not going to be on a network, they can do their own broadcast.
And that's where you see. It's kind of you know, the product
is kind of minimal, but you still you still get the game, right,
whether it's a softball game. The schools can stream stuff on their own,
and the UA does a good job of that, and I hope,
I hope they continue it. It'd be nice for it to be on a
format like the PAC twelve network or if it's if it's ESPN Plus, that's
great. You know, hopefully the Big twelve poaches a bunch of that,
the PAC twelve network folks, right, because you said, I wonder what's
gonna happen to people like uh like Yogi Roth, Ashley Adamson, you know,
all those people that do the studio shows that you'd like to think that
they'd have somewhere to go, whether it's the Big twelve or wherever. Yeah,
it would be nice because it's it was good programming, Yeah it was.
It was a bad plan the way they launched it, and then they
never launched a NAP. I mean, we could have They could have made
up a lot of the money that the pack the old PAC twelve teams were
looking for. They could have made up a lot if they would have just
sold it as a NAP as a streaming service, right, because I would
have bought it instead of using somebody else's password. Oops, did I say
that out loud. Who do you live? Done? I live? I
live over on the West Side. Alright, alright, don we gotta ru
appreciate it. Thanks Budge. I have a good one. Guys. Yeah,
you know. I well, okay, you know Direct TV doesn't have
Sunday Ticket anymore. So I greatly trained off my my daughter's student account,
you know, for a couple of years for Sunday Ticket. Now I'm paying
full price for you know, it's nearly five hundred dollars. Oh wow.
Well I split it with my brother, okay, because you can do you
can, so he can watch it. I can watch it at the same
time. So there's a couple of I paid. It's actually it was turned
out to be four hundred and eighty dollars who paid. So that's how we're
different. I just turned on the Red Zone and I'm i gotta watch my
games. I'm gonna watch my games and watch my team. I look an
easy Sunday morning, so it makes it for an easy Sunday morn. You
can flip channels and watch whatever you want. I'm gonna I'm gonna say the
Sunday Ticket now much improved over in terms of watching multiple games all at once.
Okay, okay, look better. It's five hundred bucks. Yeah,
it is. It is, and you and you gotta you gotta know how
to navigate it to it's it's not you know, it's a it's a totally
streaming thing. But I sat down and watched, you know, because first
weekend of the NFL, I was I was in San Diego, so I
really couldn't do it. But uh, this last Sunday, man, I
was a couch potato, had a great time. All right, let's take
our break, breaking news and topping the hours. Turn mad and you believe
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