Welcome to The Derek Loudermilk Show. This is episode three ninety four with Dan
Willis. In today's episode, we talk with Dan Willis, who has been
many things. He has been a collaborator of Marcel Vogel, the IBM crystal
researcher who created the Vogel cut courts crystal, and we're going to get into
some of the science around how Vogel cut crystals do what they do, their
connection between breath and consciousness and intention and healing. And Dan was also one
of the original witnesses of the Disclosure Project back in two thousand and one.
They had more than fifty witnesses that basically disclosed to the world that there are
extraterrestrials in contact with the government, that we have UFOs, that we have
free energy. And this was actually the biggest event at the National Press Club
in history, and yet nobody heard about it. So get ready for an
episode full of amazing stories science, geometry, mathematics, and a little bit
of guidance from extraterrestrial grad students thrown in. So without further ado, here
is Dan Willis. Dan Willis, Welcome to the show. Hey, Derek,
great to be on your show. I would love to start by hearing
a little bit about Marcel Vogel. I have a few scientific heroes. Richard
Feineman was one, Marcel Vogel is one, and actually a few months ago
I got to interview Stephen Schwartz. We spent time with Feynman, and you
know, it's just it's so cool to have you because you had firsthand experience
meeting and working with Marcel Vogel. So I'm just curious, Yeah, what
that was like for you to be in touch with him. Well, it's
interesting. Way back in nineteen seventy seven, I had a an et interaction
experience with a being that Quindolini opening. It was interesting. I find out,
you know, decades later that at the exact year, doctor Marcel Vogel
was on a sacred mountain in India having a Cuindolini opening experience as well.
I had no idea anyway, to make a long story short, m the
being projected and sphere, a sphere which had geometry going into it, one
like platonic salad into another, like started with a star tetrahedron, and then
you know I saw as the heater and dedeca heat, you know, going
into infinity and came back and it was basically a kind of a download of
what the matrix was about. And at this time I had no idea of
what platonic solids were sacred geometry. It left a burning passion in me to
try to understand the matrix. And it seemed that quartz crystals, since the
you know, vast spenses of time and different cultures all had this reverence to
this clear stone that appeared to be an indication of an advanced science that we
don't fully have an understanding of. And the only person that was really doing
any you know, not woo woo stuff, but full on with you know,
planning and doing a laboratory and you know, getting into the science of
it was doctor Marself Vogel. So I contacted him, and I drove up
from San Diego up to San Jose and the middle of a storm, knocked
on his door. It was in the evening and he welcomed me in,
and I said, I, you know, I'm fascinated about your work.
I need I need to learn more about what you're doing. If friend of
you said first thing, he said, you're from another planet, aren't you?
And I said, I don't I don't know about that. Anyway,
I sat down on this couch and it was a doctor. He was working
with about two dozen medical doctors in San Francisco Bay area teaching him these techniques
that he developed. A he turned off the lights and played classical music for
beautiful classical music for about it seemed like twenty minutes or something like that in
the dark. And then when we started the talk and the knock came on
the door and a woman with her daughter came over and heard he was doing,
you know, this healing work. And she had this tumor that was
on her ankle that was sticking out about a half an inch. And as
a doctor and I observed he did his procedure of with the breath and the
crystal actually dematuralized the tumor in front of our eyes. And that left a
lasting impression that this man has has understood something and has opened up a key
in understanding about these sciences. And so, you know, he invited me.
At the time, I was working for the Naval Electronic Systems Engineering System
on all the you know, the Navy's electronics equipments and everything like that,
and so he invited me to be a research associate, and so I helped
procure laboratory equipment, you know, spectral photometers and things like that, because
he was about to retire from IBM and opened up this full on laboratory.
IBM gave him the electron microscope that he put together from from scratch, and
uh I also traveled to the mines in Arkansas as a long trip and gathered
you know, a whole huge batch of crystals, which I delivered and that
was used for you know, for the first doctors for cutting these Um how
all this came about was that in the in the seventies, uh he had
to give a creativity course to the engineers at IBM. He had about thirty
engineers, very left brain thinking, you know engineers, and he was not
a left brain thing. He wasn't creative genius. He created the magnetic coatings
on hard drives, red and blue phosphors on color television, liquid crystal systems
he developed like we use on our displays and so forth. He had about
one hundred and forty patents. He was a creative genius and he had to
do this course. So he was trying to figure out what to do for
creativity, and he read this article about Cleave Baxter, who was a CI
palagraph expert that was working with plants, and so he crumpled it up and
threw it in the trash and he thought this is garbage. But then he
thought, well, now this might be a good experiment, you know,
and so he, uh, he dug it out and he hooked up a
split leaf philodendronn and a script chart recorder that's recording the response. He burned
a leaf and he got a response on the chart. And then the moment
the thought formed in his mind, the instant the thought formed in his mind,
it did it squiggled. He said that squiggle changed his life. And
so he was studying from a yama yoga, which was, you know,
the science of breath and breathing. And he found that when he pulsed his
breath you know, like through the nostrils like that, that with the intention
and thought, he got a much greater response. Now he was able to
do this from seven miles away from the laboratory with his colleague and psychically tune
into the plant. And then he also went to Provchecho, Slovakia on the
other side of the planet and tune into the plant and was able to make
it squiggled. You know. He said, the inverse square law distance doesn't
apply. It's like instantaneous. So um. He was doing a lecture and
about you know, the plant communication. He was written up in the book
The Secret Life of Plants, and a lady gave him a crystal and he
thought, oh, this is woo woo stuff, right, And so he
tried working with the crystal and a colleague at the IBM had a back problem,
and he used the crystal, pulsed it and it alleviated the back problem.
You know, he said, oh my god, you know, I've
got to figure out a way how to make this. You know, in
nature, you know the crystals, you know, the crystals grow like this
and all the angles of a crystal are the same as the Great Pyramid in
Egypt, which relates to the Golden mean ratio and everything like that. That
acts as the transponder and the matrix you could say, and so um,
pause you really quick, just to clarify. He was testing whether the plants
would respond to his thoughts. Of he was like, I'm was he projecting
that he was going to burn them? Or was he what was he doing
to try to get the plants and they're hooked up to it is like an
electrode, like a lie detector type of electrode. The thing right, right,
and uh yeah, as soon as the intention of his thought formed,
the plant reacted. Um. And so he had a he had a dream,
he got he got a lot of stuff in dreams, how to how
to do things. In fact, that's how he created the magnetic coating on
the hard drive, as it came to him and how how to do this,
uh, the sticky solution you know that goes on the hard drive.
Um. And so it came to him like in a die pyramiddle form,
like this type of crystal where it's like the tree of life in the Cabalah,
you know, it's like the unmanifests from you know, the source of
all things down into the earthly manifestation. And so he, uh, he
started cutting the crystals in this form. One end was the fifty two degree
angle, you know, fifty one point eight four three to be exact,
and the other end was a sixty degree angle or thereabouts. He didn't know,
and we'll get into that later. About a being from another world,
from another civilization thousands of years in advance of our understanding use the same geometries.
There are crystals that they use. So he cut this and his concept
was that you know, with a laser, for example, you have two
mirrors, right, and you have a ruby crystal your photonic site it and
it starts oscillating back and forth, and each subsequent because it's all in phase,
each subsequent oscillation builds upon itself. So you have this incredible energy that's
going on inside of it. Laser one mirrors one hundred percent reflective, the
other ones one percent, and that one percent of the energy that's coming out
one side is strong enough to cut through steel. So this cohering is very,
very powerful. And so the quartz crystal where he was cutting it was
acting as a means to cohere the energies of mind and and so what he
was doing is he developing procedures using a breath and connecting in with the physical
body. And you understand that our reality is multidimensional, many many densities of
frequencies. That the quartz crystal is resonant simultaneously at the same time and all
these different dimensions. So it acts as a bridge between these dimensions. And
so the higher forms the lower three D physical form that we are not the
other way around. And so when you're able to go in and link to
the higher pattern, I'll say you have a dissonant pattern, whatever the problem
is in the body, if you're able to go in there and release that
amazing transfer, like the tumor disappearing in front of our eyes, amazing transformation.
I used it a number of times. Marcel cut that crystal as a
gift for me, you know, for helping with the laboratory and everything.
And the first time I ever used it, I was getting on the plane
back to San Diego and there was a football player holding his knee in pain.
He just had surgery here, right, And so you know, I'm
thinking, while I've been given a gift, and so I said to him,
well, I'm not a I'm not a doctor. I'm an experimental scientist.
If you're like, we can try some experimental procedures, you know,
the first time, you know, using it, And so I did the
procedures that Marcel uh showed me. And the guy got off the plane and
he was pointing from his parents. He said that, like, guy,
he fixed my leg, and I was like, but I didn't do it.
I facilitated him, you know, healing himself because I facilitated that.
So I definitely want to I want to ask a bit more about the healing
process. But I also just love to hear like, um, so I
know you, you know, helped him set up the laboratory. Like what
was he like as a person for you or what was your relationship? Like
the two of you, Marcel and I were close friends. Um, we
did a number of things together. I remember touring Lawrence Livermore laboratories with him.
I worked on a number of projects that were you know, like Looking
Out of the Outer Limits movie. You know. One was a camera that
came out of out of England made back in the nineteen fifties. It was
patented by the European Patent Office called the Delaware Camera. What was fascinating about
this camera that stood about five and a half feet tall. It had tone
oscillators, radionic dials. It had a chamber above with lenses and reflectors that
went onto a photographic plate. You could take a drop of blood and tune
into the individual and the sound oscillators and everything that you have to align it
with the earth and everything projected into space and three dimensions, a holographic projection
which was captured on the film. The silver emulsion on the film reacted to
it and thousands of photos were taken. One example, the thing that I'm
very familiar with radionic instruments, and you know, the acts as a tuning
focus for the mind. This one had the ability to go forwards and backwards
in the time. It had a time spiral in it like this. One
woman was pregnant and she was like fifty miles away and she could see the
fetus and you can move it forward and backwards in the time seeing it progress.
What's interesting is, you know, I've been ever since my involvement with
you know, because my top secret clearance and the military and being involved as
a disclosure witness, I've become friends with many of these people and the secret
Space program talking about the men bed technolog oology and that how the medbeds work
is that it holographically takes the photo of you and this everything is holographic in
the universe, and so when they take a photo, it goes back to
the point of your conception, and so you have these slices of time you
could say that go back in time and so what they do is, let's
say you lose your arm or something or leg or any situation, you can
tune back through time before that happened and then repattern repair. I mean it's
like you're you're you're pairing. They oscillate basically the holographic pattern of that element
back in time, and within a matter of hours, the arm is fully
restored. I've talked to a number of people who have personally first hand experienced
this with the with the medbeds. Amazing. Oh, it's incredible technology.
You know, we need to get rid of this. My great grandfather was
the president of Homeopathic Medical Society. It was going up against the evil Rockefeller
allopathic medicine. And you know, the whole medical system is so corrupt.
We need to replace this with new modalities that are not based on pharmaceuticals but
energetic means of healing people. And so, what you were saying about the
mechanism, like where you worked on the football players leg on the airplane,
it sounds very similar. You're you're saying, like reverting to the information in
a field that's going to like is a sort of a higher state of perfection
that can then reset the sort of physical the d How how the procedure works
is that um you you know, and everything's done with love because love is
a at the highest at the highest densities you could say, is more aligned
with love, and as it comes down into the lower densities, there's less
of an alignment of love. But we're all everything's all connected and and so
in order to move energy without dissonance, there's always that connection with love,
you know, doing doing something because you care about somebody, um what in
a it's kind of involved, but kind of in a condensed, simplified manner.
The procedure is the person does you do deep breathing with the person and
then sync with the person and you go in into the time saria, which
acts as a witness for the whole body. You ask the person to and
usually if you have pain or you have a problem, it's pretty easy,
you know, to tune into where the problem is. You ask to be
shown where the you know, the person who you're working with you they look
in and see what is the root cause where is the court you know,
and to tune their mind on and lock onto that, and when they do,
you start to amplify the field and it becomes sometimes a little more painful.
Actually, you're increasing energy into the area. You know, just like
an electronic circuit. You start pumping a whole lot of energy into something that
it's not tuned, it's going to have resistance, right and so um and
through the breath. The breath is more than just breathing in and out oxygen
and feeding hemoglobin and all that. It's more of a multidimensional information transfer that
happens when we inhale exhale. And so when you go in and ask to
be shown where is the core problem? When you build up a couple of
breaths and then there's a release breath and he goes release, you know like
that and amazing transformations happened at that point, um. And it's kind of
like this big dramatic thing, you know. It's like you know, like
right release, you know, and you have to fill in with love.
You know, His love is the integrative force of the universe. Um,
And amazing transformations happen in that process of using the crystals. Is there,
I'm not sure on your on your site, is there, like this process
is outlined for people to go and learn themselves. If they get a local
cut solor Yeah, in honor of Marcel I put together Marcel Vogel dot Org
all those procedures, all the lab notes and everything with the Delaware camera also
goes into the latest information that for the last year I've been interacting from a
being with another world who's a scientist on science of crystals and what we what's
amazing is my friend Elena Denn She's a French archaeologists that worked in Egypt for
some time and when she was like nine years old, she was abducted by
the Great extraterrestrials and she was had an implant put in her and she was
rescued by the Galactic Federation of Worlds who they had to repurpose the implant and
now it's like a quant of communication device, so that her contact a person
who went and saved her. His name's thor Henry Readion. What what he
sees and here's she sees and hears and then what she season here he season
here, you know, So they is quantum communication device and this is how
I did a show with her and she said that Thorhan's younger brother is going
to university in the Plates and understanding how the terraform planets are they called starmaking,
and that he has a little bit of knowledge and you know the matrix
and crystals, you know. And so I started April of last year,
almost exactly a year to this estate. I um put forth a number of
questions and Elena and I were both kind of blown away by the information matched.
And so what Marcel Vogel was able to establish an elaboratory and quantify matched
what jen Han was saying. And so the communication log is now at one
hundred pages of question answer, question answer, and they have to do it
that way because of the prime directive. The prime directive is not just something
that was in Star Trek. The Prime directive is actually something that's actual and
real. It turns out is fascinatingly enough that Leslie Leslie Stevens, yeah,
he was the creator of the Outer Limits series is he was an office and
Enable Intelligence. His father was Admiral Leslie Stevens, who was head of psychological
warfare with the Navy, and his contemporary with Admiral rickle Boda, who was
working with twenty nine Navy spies are embedded into the Nazi secret space program that
was going on in Antarctica, you know, back in the forties. So
the Galactic Federation was working with Leslie Stevens and Gene Roddenberry who was on the
set with him and gave him the whole the whole script and everything for Star
Truck and the prime Directive. My friend doctor Michael Sala, who's been researching
this ever since, he was inspired from the event I participated in at the
National Prescoe back in two thousand and one, found out that he found this
book that Elena had no Idea that laid out the prime directives exactly word for
word almost so um they they you know, they're not here to save us
and then let us know. They want us to basically, you know,
save ourselves, you know, and to become awake and aware of what's going
on and so um. So the prime directive is like kind of a non
interference, uh directive where they can't, like Jen hadn't, just can't tell
me everything. I have to ask this very specific question and he will specifically
answer that question. But once in a while he'll drop a little a little
a little extra thing that opens up another door, you know, like the
am I correct that he um he there was like something that would have um
gone against the prime directive that he had to get special permission to reveal a
release correct correct, And in fact I asked one question that apparently it raised
a bunch of red flags. Um I was asking him about them in the
in the quartz crystal allatus you have you know, the pco electric effect where
you have basically like six pointed stars and the charge triads. They have a
positive and negative in the middle, and when the physical pressure is put on
a crystal, it creates a voltage offset. It's called like your cigarette lighters
that you know makes a spark, you know, from the physical pressure.
Um I asked him about that being a dimensional portal, and he's he's said,
uh, this is one of the things in the Prime Director that we're
not you know, supposed to. So he had to get special permission.
And then what Marcel didn't know and would have loved to have known, he
didn't. He didn't realize it. But you know Marcell started out with they
with a fourth side at crystal like this, and then he felt that the
energies spun and vortex, that the energy does vortex. The crystals grow in
the left and right handed spirals. Naturally, and then they started and there's
there's a six side at crystal. And then they went to like, here
is an eight side it, and then they kept on going up to more
sides and here is a sixteen side it. But what Marcel didn't realize is
that he missed something when he went past the six sided because the crystal,
according to jen Hand, the crystal needs to be cut in respect to the
hexagonal core matrix of the crystal, in other words, as it grows in
nature. So the alignment is not only on the sea axis, which is
the growth axe that the crystal, so that both points on the crystal are
aligned perfectly with this c axis. And then the hexagonal core has to be
aligned perfectly with the three axises of the hexagonal core. And but jen Hand
was much more specific on the angles than Marcel. You know, one's fifty
one point eight four three degree angle or fifty two is what they rounded off
to, and the other ones the sixty degree angle. And what's interesting about
the sixty degree angle is jen Hand said that the entire the secret of the
universe is a tetrahedral fractal holographic geometry, and that if you look at tetrahedron.
All the internal angles are sixty degrees. If you look at you know
Egyptian obelisks, you know the top of them, they're at sixty degrees.
It's like the interfaces like the Flower of Life and all the other uh.
I met with not Simhaaman back in two thousand and one. I shared my
et experience and he said to me, that's it. That's it's a structure
of the matrix um, and so it acts like a it resonates with the
geometry of the matrix um. So what what he didn't realize is that the
two terminations on the crystal, they create a vortex and they they're counter rotating.
One's going in one direction, one going to the other direction, and
they meet at a point. And at this point, if you stimulate the
piezoelectric with the you can do it with your with your fingers, you know,
but it's now as effective as if you hook it up to a signal
generator and put two silver electrodes on it. And this in this area right
here is the we're the vortex forms it it It creates this singularity point which
opens up this vortex and you're able to imprint with your consciousness directly into the
planetary matrix and cause and effect. An interesting event happened recently that my French
friends Elena is in Ireland and John Charles Morienne, who was on was in
the Solar Ward in Secret Space program Um. He was doing a video production
about his experience in Japan, and I was listening to some Japanese music and
and he was thinking, Oh, Elena would would love to hear this is
such beautiful music. He was thinking about her. Elena, on the other
side of the planet in Ireland just happened to have her function generator turned on
and opened up the vortex in her crystal while she was feeding her two cats
in the kitchen and the cats perked up. They heard something down the hallway
and she went over there and it's like this Japanese music coming out of the
crystal and what I asked Jen Hann about that, and he said that it
it opens up this connection and a void which allows this type of connection.
But it wasn't his specialty. His special he is more on other aspects.
In fact, he's he's kind of excited because he's on one of the intergalactic
confederationships and they're twenty thousand years ahead of their the plating science, you can
imagine the playing sciences are like thousands of years ahead of us UM. And
so there is this um, there's this amazing science that we're just scratching the
surface on. And the last communications were the construction of a frill generator.
Frill is the term they use for the universal life source. They believe that
the real They know that the Courts crystal is the purest element in the universe
that's connected connected directly to the source, and so is water. They act
as interdimensional bridges and they're all part of a practical formula that like love is
as well, but of a more complex form. So they all interface with
each other. And so what happens is that when you when you stimulate the
quartz crystal loutice in a particular way that creates a torsion field with using two
perpendicular coils, one of copper for the electromagnetic and one of silver for the
etheric. What happens is the phase conjunction. Note that happens within the crystal
creates this generation of frill, and the frill can be used for it's like
it's like healthy stuff. You know, it's like it helps your body.
You can use it for plant. Plants will thrive on it. And so
I'm working on with two scientists. You know, we're doing a cab and
trying to it's kind of complicated. The try to get these two coils at
perfectly ninety degrees you know, to each other to interact with the crystal and
then take the frill that's emanating from it. And I've ordered some fused copper
tubing and white seven right hand turns that will transfer it into the water.
Marcel did that with the wine. There was a winery in California had this
rock get wine, and he took a crystal and charged with the essence of
his fine finished wine and seven right hand turns. It was using stainless steel
transfer the vibrational essence from the quartz into the water. Everything has water and
you know, into the wine. And what happened was that turned thousands of
gallons into a California Award ringing wine. But you know, you couldn't really
mark it and say, oh, it's been crystal enhanced, you know,
but you know, it was able to establish that that method was able to
be transferred into the water. There's a there's an interesting relationship between the geometry
the molecular inner molecular bonding angles of quartz and that of water, and that
in quartz it's like fifty two degrees, and water it's the angular harmonic multiples
of that of twenty six degrees and one hundred and four one hundred and four
point five almost fifty two degrees is slightly off. But what happens is what
I've noticed in my research is that I call it angular harmonic resonance. Where
you have an angle that's a multiple of an angle, and there is similar
to like an electronic you know, where you have a signal and you're going
to have odd and even order harmonics. You know. I used to be
a broadcast engineer and we had a it took care of one hundred and fifty
one transmitter, and one of the harmonics was being on a There was a
structure that had a parasitic resonance with the second harmonic, and we had to
identify it where it was and shorted out. And what happens is the music
and everything that's playing on the fundamental will be played on the harmonic, and
so information is transferred. You know, harmonically. So with the with the
seven turn thing and the sort of a twoment of the you know, worse
wine became better one. Could we take holy water and sort of a tune
like an entire river to holy water. Yeah, you can. You know,
there was an experiment Marcel did with he got from Hungary from a sacred
spring. He said, he's never seen the energetic signature was off the chart.
He took a big vat of bulkwater, you know, unstructured water,
took a single drop of that sacred spring water into the that of bulkwater.
Now every single drop in there have that same energetic his water will mirror and
the higher forms the lower. Like I mentioned earlier, the lower doesn't form
the higher. If you take that that vat of water that is all structured,
right, has that same signature, and you take unstructured water and put
a drop into that, that unstructured drop will become structured. It won't.
It won't unstructure the whole thing. So it shows that it's kind of interesting
that it's like our thoughts in the matrix, in the planetary matrix, when
when you have a higher vibrational thought, it influences we did an experiment Elaine
and I where we had she has you know, one hundred and ten thousand
subscribers, we had about seventeen hundred people live with her crystals. And and
so what we did was this experiment taking the information of both Marcel and jen
Han and had everybody go through a visualization of a beautiful positive timeline, you
know, where the dark elements were taken care era of the new technologies released
and you know, the world is this beautiful situation. So we took everybody
through that visualization and then everybody had their crystals and then they fully formed that
in their consciousness and everybody at the same time, you know, projected that
into the crystal. And you know, without crystals, you know, it's
been scientifically established. You know, square word of one percent starts this kindling
effect of which is you know, eight billion people on the planets, like
less than nine thousand people start this effect, and more people, of course,
the better. And what happened was somebody was monitoring the human resonance and
there was a huge spike on it, and we find out there's this reciprocal
relationship between the human resonance is like they dubit the Earth brainwave because it's almost
like an EEG pattern and operates within the frequencies of human brainways. And so
there's this reciprocal relationship between the minds on planet and the planet itself, and
it created the spike. So I believe that the working with the crystals act
as a a way to enhance that by amplifying the connection, you know,
the coupling of it. Speaking of Naseem hair Mine and the human residence,
I interviewed Um. I'm blinking on the name he made those Thrive documentaries.
Anyway, he was with hair Mine and a bunch of those arc crystals in
the Great Pyramid and they did an overnight meditation and the next day got a
call from the like Russian Geospatial Agency. They're like, basically, it seemed
like you guys set off a huge nuclear bomb or caused an earthquake. Um,
we had such a huge signal And they're like, what were you doing.
Oh, we're just uh, we're just meditating with these arc crystals in
the pyramid. Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, well inside the pyramid, Oh
my god. You know what a what a way to amplify Um. Okay,
so there's a bunch of there's a bunch of things that you've mentioned that
I want to um some some crumbs. I just wanted to mention quickly.
In the in the nineteen eighties and nineties, I worked with doctor Robert Beck
who would um and he did some work with the CIA and things. He
gave me some papers and somebody broke into my house and they know the only
thing they stole with the documents that he gave, you know, from the
CIA. But essentially back in the seventies was called the Russian woodpecker, where
the Russians were sending signals that would heterodyne on our sixty hurts, they're on
fifty hurt squid on sixty hurt squid and would fall within the psychoactive window and
started affecting people. Now, he traveled all around the planet and measured UNA
medicine men different things and found out when they were in a working state of
consciousness they were at the seven point eight three hurts human resonance and their left
and right hemispheres were sink perfectly together in an increased in amplitude. And I
when I was working with the Navy electronics, I was working with this Navy
captain and We were working on the satellite equipment then, and he would wrap
these things up in a sleep. You know, we do it all the
time, right, And I was building these different oscillators that can tune down
to one hundred differ herts, and I didn't realize I accidentally put it on
the frequency that causes the left and right hemispheres. Do you synchronize causing special
disorientation? Right? The CIA has these little pins that if you ever get
hit with it, they simulate the Earth's resonance so that it overrides an external
signal, because you can you can disable people by sending that frequency. And
I had the frequency counter on period measurement, then frequency, and so I
didn't know what frequency. It was a perfect double blind experiment. The captain
was trying to wrap this equipment and he was like so disoriented it was comical.
He threw his hands down in the side. What the hell is going
on here? And then I looked up at the there and I switched it
back to frequency. Oh my god. You know, it was like a
perfect double blind, you know. And so I did this work with doctor
Robert Beck, who substantiated a lot of this with the human residence I just
want to share with you. Okay, interesting, Yeah, there's more.
There's more there, um, So I'm gonna go all the way back to
the beginning. You walked into marsa Vogels and he said, are you from
another planet? Or you're from another planet? That was the first thing you
ever said to me. Yeah, are you? I don't have a recollection
of you know, I'm Jen Hanns apparently scanned me, and they know I
was a scientist and atlantist and a past live. I don't remember anything about
that, but you know, I, I don't know. Have you ever
been curious about, I don't know, doing like a hypnotic aggression or a
past life aggression to see some of your other previous lives. The last time
I did that was in nineteen seventy seven, and that brought about that et
interaction, which Elena described the being as being an Emethur, which is one
of the Council of Five, and they're a benevolent They kind of look like
rays, but they have like they don't have like no nose. They have
a little cute nose and the big eyes and large cranium. Incredible amount of
love coming out of the thighs, but no, I haven't. I've kind
of backed off since then. Oh interesting, Okay, any particular reason.
They just have enough to process and deal with with with my current uh you
know reality here on Earth. And I also wanted to ask you, um,
so what you're what's motivating you these days? Like why why are you
doing the work that you're doing. I feel like the whole planet has been
duped. And you know, I spent ten years after I gave my testimony
in Washington with the other witnesses, which we were backed by five hundred witnesses.
You know, we were revealing, you know, bases on oarside of
the moon, fifty seven different species. President CIA directors being denied access that
we've had faster than lightcraft built back in the fifties, and the mainstream media
completely sanitize up from the public's awareness. Myself being an x ABC newsman when
I was a broadcast engineer, I took it was like the place was packed,
twenty two cameras in the ACROA. I didn't understand what was going on,
and the CBS wanted to do an interview, and I said that we
have the scientists that can prove we have zero point energy. We don't need
nucle oral and coal, they promised. I said, I wouldn't do this
unless I could say that on the air, and they said, I'm sorry.
The higher executives made me cut that part out. And we know that
the higher executives are, you know, from the intelligence community. So a
media company out of Hollywood one me to write an article on the control being
a witness and an x ABC news man, the control of our perceptions you
know, through the mainstream media on the UFO topic. And so I gladly
accepted the only way I could. I didn't know what Operation Mockingbird was,
you know, in two thousand and one, and so I started putting together
all these witness testimonies that I was aware of. I mean, we had
five hundred witnesses, you know that we're backing us, all, each one
of us willing to testify under oath penalty, perjury breaking national security, you
know. And I I started back to the beginning of the twentieth century,
looking at all the leak authenticated classified documents, all the witness testimonies, and
I started plugging it in those The only way for me to comprehend what had
what happened. Why why as a solution to the world being suppressed? Um,
And then I started to realize what happened. And if you go back
into the history, it's like the most um bizarre science fiction movie plot you
are, and it keeps its own best secrecy because the real truth is so
far from our indocrinated reality. The you know we've been taught in school.
Turns out the you know Nazis, before the end of World War two,
have the plan to create a matrix of perception they called Velkin Shalon's Creek,
which they did. Uh. They controlled the media, they controlled education,
They rewrote the history of World War two nineteen forty six Hollywood, the whole
the whole matrix of perception. So for through generation indocrination, we don't know
the full truth of what happened. And that the you know, the Naziss
basically entered into an alliance with a Reptilian race called the Draco the Sakar Empire
in an Arctico was given him advanced technology, which violated the Prime directive and
so an interest of balance, what happened was the Galactic Federation of Worlds came
in and worked with the US Navy who it goes into a long story with
longer than we have time for. But basically during the Eisenhower administration, who
wanted to have go on television radio and release this that he got circumvented by
the MJA twelve group, who entered into an agreement with the NEBO and Draco
alliance and the whole thing went, you know, deep black at that point
point. In fact, in nineteen ninety three, I traveled to Area fifty
one the first time Bob Lazzarre Everyone's meeting with a group of researchers. No
recordings were allowed whatsoever, but I had on my cam quarter on my lap
and recorded two hours of him hitting with questions, which has been consistent over
the years. But that meeting created a the base Area fifty one went into
a complete lockdown and a classified NRO National Reconnaissance Office advisory went out through all
all their different connections and somehow doctor Stephen Greer and in the same year,
nineteen ninety three, he was meeting with the CIA Director William James. James
James come yeah, no, wait, James Woolsey, I'm sorry at a
blank there. The CIA director Clinton wanted to find out about the UFO situation,
but the CI directors being denied access every single president, CIA director head
of intelligence ever since Eisenhower lost control back in the fifties, which he tried
to warn the American public kind of cryptically. What happened was that he,
uh, doctor Stephen Greer, who he brought into a three hour meeting,
you know, the CI director, saying to him, I know the subjects
real, I'm trying to fare out why the hell I can't gain access to
it. And so doctor Greer met with military advisors who started collecting witnesses.
I was like the one hundredth videotaped witness that he collected starting in nineteen ninety
three. And so somehow doctor Greer was able to acquire that NRO document about
Area fifty one, which had a distribution list that was revealing the other acknowledged
special access programs that Bob Lazar was working on reverse engineering the craft and brought
it to a Pentagon meeting with the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson, along with the astronaut doctor Edgar Mitchell and
Commander Will Miller, and the head of Intelligence for the Joint chiefs of Staff.
He was denied access. In fact, he was threatened that he would
see an early retirement and lose rank if he didn't drop it immediately. He
was mad as hell and told doctor Greer, if you can get your people.
He knew he had started collecting witnesses back in ninety three to go before
that are willing to testify under oath, willing to go before the mainstream meeting.
You am a permission. This group is illegal, quote unquote. And
so that's what brought about the event that I participated in back in two thousand
and one, over two decades ago, and on the public is still you
know, they're seeing little glimpses here and there of information putting at the gather
about them. The media is definitely the enemy of the people. They have
been, you know, deceiving the American public for a long time toward an
agenda that is not an interest of the people of the world. So in
two thousand and one, when you brought when you had all these people coming
together, and you thought this was gonna just boom change the world because this
information would get out. I thought it was a part of a world changing
event. I mean, I couldn't believe the other witnesses that were what we
were disclosing to the people of the world. Twenty two cameras, the place
packed with reporters, you know, how could this not change everything? And
so that you mentioned that one TV show that you went on where they like,
then they took out the clip later on channel to Los Ange. Okay,
all those cameras and all those reporters, were they all just not recording
or were they all told not to report on? Is like what happened?
What happens is, you know, everything got recorded, right, but when
it gets back to the corporate office for the editing room, what they do
is they selectively cut out. There was so many explosive statements that were in
the whole thing. They totally omit the witness testimonies. And they talked about
doctor Greer and doctor Greer's you know, saying, these objects of extratrustrial origin
have been tracked on radar going thousands of miles per hours, stopping and making
right hand turns right after that, and we've already studied these technologies and have
developed in the United States, Great Britain and elsewhere, you know, And
so you know they're very selectively take out. So what happens is all this
incredible testimony it gets boiled down to when it gets on CNN, CBS and
everything, it makes it sound as though it's what's called what the intelligence community
called a limited hangout. In other words, they only hang out the part
that's safe that won't compromise their agenda. And so the perception that the guy
coming back from a hard day at work, during a beer or whatever,
he gets the impression that they're wanting to have a congressional hearing on simply the
reality of UFOs. He's collected hundreds of military intelligence witnesses, and so that's
the impression of the of the And you know it goes for like a minute
and a half or something that they covered. I traveled across the United States
in the major cities every time with that. How is no you know,
legitimate reporter just really interested in covering this because I I know journalists and they
they're relentless, right, they when they get a whiff of a story,
they dig and dig and dig. And so surely not everyone was compromised,
right, every journalist that was there, Right, you're independent journalists if you
don't, if you don't follow the the line of the higher executives before this
is like top on the list. You know, the higher executives and the
media are connected with the intelligence community. Sure, and if you it won't
they may be some disgrumpled head journalists and if they raised too much of a
stink, you know, out they go and so um. If you want
to keep your job, you you follow the line the higher executives are.
You know, the the lady was interviewing me on CBS. She was almost
in tears. I know, I promise I never had this happened before.
You know that the higher executives made me cut that part out, you know,
because I said, they traveled all the way down to San Diego from
LA to interview me for about forty five minutes, and I said a lot
of things, but I said, I'm not unless I can say this little
ten seconds statement, you know, and afterward, you know, because of
my technical background and since we weren't able to have a congressional hearing, I
volunteered doctor grew set up a corporation. We had a database well three hundred
scientists that were a civilian and inventors, and so for ten years I was
meeting with scientists and inventors, and just one nightmare after another, you know,
CI coming in threatening the people being murdered. So I, after ten
years, I just gave up on it until these control elements are no longer
operational, these technologies, I mean, there's over six thousand. There's a
secret system in the Patent Office called Sensitive Application Warning System. If any of
your has to do with free energy, anti gravity, super conductivity, at
room temperature, you know, anything's on this list, you automatically get a
national security order which states that your invention has been deemed to be a detriment
in the national security United States. Therefore you cannot share it with anybody.
Just recently did a show doctor Michael Saladin and brought in one of these scientists
who you know, had his cars blown up, he's thrown in prison.
He had developed a based on Nikola Tessa's design, a little small, inexpensive
unit producing about three hundred wats of power. He had sixty three thousand of
these made in Japan. I had to bar the whole thing. You don't
they did? They confiscate them all from Japan or they confiscated everything. Wow,
man, So this guy was pretty close to disseminating free energy. Yeah.
Yeah, brilliant scientists and in fact, he's got a number of that
he hasn't got a National security order on yet. Um. You know,
inventions that can pull energy and can create up to a megawatt of power.
But you know the stuff that they have in the Secret Space program, you
can imagine, um, with unlimited funding and some of the most brilliant minds,
even assistance from off planet cultures that are thousands of years in advance to
develop the technologies that they have in these Secret Space program that seem make any
science fiction movie, UM seem kind of weak, you know, character what
they have. So you're saying, Um, this guy's inventions are great,
but they're the ones in the Secret Space programs are much more powerful, generated
a lot more energy. Yeah, in the Secret Space part, you know,
the bar developed, you know, more than and there's some brilliant minds
on the planet, you know, some brilliant scientists that come up with incredible
inventions. But you know that you can imagine if you've had unlimited funding and
you know, collaboration to put together some advanced technology. I'm sure they have
solutions. According to my friend Alina who recently um It sounds bizarre for a
lot of people, but she goes off planet with Thorhan on a scout ship.
She was able to go inside the Moon's hollow. And there's huge manufacturing
facilities that are making these holographic medbeds to be released to the world, and
anti gravity vehicles, free energy devices, all this stuff. I'm imagining that
ever since, it's kind of interesting that what Elena was saying is that the
regressive extraterrestrials, the grays and the reptilians have been removed out of our solar
system back in twenty twenty one. And it's interesting that a Navy fund at
Arlington Institute think tank Greg Braden just had h Robert John Peterson rather on and
three independent sources verified that these regressive extraterrestrials have been removed from our solar system
and that, in other words, the minions on Earth that were the dark
elements on Earth, the human element that was having this supports system, you
know, from these dark extraterrestrials, they're no longer have that though they're on
their own, and right now the Deep State is basically um, you know,
pulling out all stops, and I think the people in the world are
starting starting to awaken more. And I think once, uh, once we
can get a certain critical mass of awakening of the reality that has been hidden
from the world. Uh, and we understand that, I think, you
know, the Nuremberg type trials would start going on for crimes against humanity,
all of the human trafficking, child trafficking off planet and on planet, and
all this would um be exposed and ceased, and these technologies released, and
the new world could be experienced on this planet. So given that you you've
already experienced like the system shutting, shutting you guys down, trying to disclose
all this. You know, in two thousand and one two, like,
oh wow, there's medbeds being manufactured on the Moon and free energy devices that
could be dropped in at any momentum. How close do you think that is?
Like how what do we need to do to make that happen? Because
you kind of have a good sense of what we're up against and like how
the tides are right now, what's your sort of projection of the next few
years, Like whenever we're gonna get the good stuff? That's the question.
Everybody's ask. You know, it's like when when that's going to happen?
How much longer do we have to put up with us? You know,
Um, the timetable is unknown. To give a date is you know it
does doesn't work because it's in dynamic flux changing you know constantly. Um,
it's um, it feels like it's moving. Thorhan Uh just met in a
underground military complex and Raven rock Uh and gave it to General Van Kirk,
who's head of the North American Command. This device that gives the whole plan
for disclosure there work. There's a Earth Alliance made up of Earth humans that's
working in alliance with the Galactic Federation of Worlds that you know, the head
of the Israeli space program mentioned that you know, President Trump's aware of and
that they're they're not quite ready yet to be revealed to our population. You
know, a little more time is needed for us to be ready for contact.
But the plans for disclosure are in work right now. And so what
will probably be happening is more of the Confederation ships will be seen in the
skies. More people will start to see it and acclimate to this. As
you can tell in the mainstream media. You know, it was talking about
UFOs a lot, but it always putting the you know, threat narrative with
that. You know. One of the things that was revealed that the two
thousand and one press club is von Braun Render von Braun. So that was
one of their plans as I have a false flag alien threat, you know,
or to be contrived. It was interesting that one of the things on
the long list of false flag events. The next one was terrorists and this
was May of two thousand and one. Everybody knows what happened in September of
two thousand and one, so can't give a date. But the indications are
that the disclosure plan working with the Galactic Federation, and all the good guys
are here, uh in the Solar system. The bad guys are out have
been removed, you know, according to a Navy think tank. UM and
uh, you know, I feel optimistic and and you're concentrating your efforts right
now on making this physical frill generation device. What else are you spending your
time on side? You know, coming on our podcast, yeah with with
uh with Jen han areadion Um. It started out with understanding some of the
scientific basics of you know, this um U tetrahedral fractal geometry and the interface
of consciousness and how consciousness projects geometric patterns that interface with this um matrix that
we're in and that how um how to. One of the things is how
to clear the crystal of all the previous imprints the crystal needs. If you're
going to be working with crystals, it has to you have to clear it
out because also it'll taint the whatever you're doing. And so I'm currently working
on There's like four different methods that do this, and only one is really
practical for the general public. So I'm working on that currently. Is that
method. It's using a forty ninety six hurts that brushes in the three axis
of the crystal. That what happens is it resonates the crystal lattice structure and
breaks the bonds of any other patterns that are locked into the lottice. So
it essentially a late racism clears the crystal out. The trouble is, I'm
finding that these you know, tuning forks, they're not exactly on frequency we
use, and so I believe in order to to effectively resonate the lottice,
it has to be out exactly on the frequency. But I'm I'm getting that.
I'm currently working on confirming confirming that while at the same time working with
these two scientists on building the coil structure for the frill generation of the crystal,
which has implications for not only m you know, regeneration for the human
body, but also could be used for irrigation, you know, to feed
since we're having so many issues with our food supply lately because people able to
grow productively, you know, food that's nutrient. I understand they're wanting to
put you know what they what they inject in people into our food. Biden
just signed a executive order to allow that to start happening and an informed consent.
It's not something that they require to do, so, you know,
all these things need to be brought to the public's attention of of these elements
that are going against humanity. If you if you got the frill generator to
work, are there other applications as well? Um uh. The other one
was telepathic communication through opening up the the vortex within the crystal that threw the
but um, yeah, exactly, like jen Han had to get that was
the second thing that he had to get permission he had to get clearance in
order to UM you know, share. But now could you could you use
that to establish like permanent telepathic links, like could you use the crystal to
like if we were to practice, you know, using the vortex in the
crystal and then could we like turn the crystal off and keep that connection.
Do you think UM it has the potential it has? You know, I
don't have enough information as as yet to you know, fully elaborate on that.
But from what I understand, the when you're able to go into this
open vortex of that's connects to the singularity that's connected to everything, um it
acts as a as a connect It's similar to you know how the quantum devices,
like the device that Elana has that communicates with them that they use quantum.
You know, they don't use electromagnetics like we do UM. They use
and their power generation on their planet era that Jen Han shared with me,
they have these giant crystals that they're talking six feet tall that have this wire
configuration that generates a torsion field and connects to these pyramidal structures that transmit they
see all of their When we were talking about wires, he didn't understand what
we were talking about, because they don't use wires. Everything's wirelessly every uh,
the power and everything that they use that let's generated. Now we can't
we can't go into obviously power generation yet until the deep state elements are taken
down, as I had ten years experience with UM. Couldn't you know?
Could we could we Like, let's say Jen Hann who's a Paadian or what's
his Yeah, he's from the planet era, he's a pleadion. UM.
Let's say he like dropped dropped you a working model, Like he woke up
one day in your laboratory. You just had a device because he left it
as a present for you. Uh. You could you could then just start
to copy and manufacture it and sort of disseminated person to person right without anyone
knowing. No, I uh have been authorized for me to be able to
share this with all the Terrans they call him, you know, the people
of Earth, so I can freely share all the information, in fact,
all the notes on Marcel Vogel dot org. If there's a link there and
you can see the PDF with a hundred pages of questions and answers. So
I'm authorized to be able to share this information. So he's not going to
drop, you know, teleport something in my in my office. Okay,
but but so, um, what I'm saying is like you could circumvent the
Deep State, like you said that, we would have to h we have
to wait until the deep state is no longer suppressing this. But you're already
talking about it, right Yeah, Well it's it's quite apparent the Deep state's
alive and well on planet Earth. M and and you know there's far more
of us than it is of them. And that's why I mean, you
haven't been you haven't been shut down disseminating this information. No, I have
not been. I have not been. I'm not touching certain areas. You
know I won't. I won't go into energy production. Energy production and be
very dangerous for me to get into. I'm just what I'm doing is practical
healing methods and different applications that crystals can be used for the benefit of humanity.
Um. If, as jen Han said, if it's not, I'm
going to be in trouble. So um, you know, I'm just basically
doing benevolent applications with the use of crystals, not anything that would threaten the
power structure of the deep state is controlling other than the consciousness of helping,
helping to awaken more people. Mum, I remember seeing a diagram where there's
like purple crystals around that same generator. Do you know what those are?
Like? What is what is the She saw that there was like I think
six purple like crystals that were at a different angle and it's feeding him into
a pyramid. She Um, she physically saw that, and so she was
recreating the image. And I don't understand the um mechanisms of how the crystals
interfaced with the larger crystal. Gotcha. So the future future research or further
information needed, is that right? Uh? Yeah, it's um. You
know, their technology is so far advanced. So I'm kind of I'm kind
of doing a kindey Garten level here of of of understanding the crystal technology.
What what do you still want to ask Jen Jen Han, Like, what's
what are your sort of burning questions about this? Well, Elena and I
are planning on doing uh yeah, if you go to Elena denn d an
aa n dot org her website, we're doing it. Going to be doing
a series of crystal classes and how to utilize the crystals and someone are going
to be based on not only doctor Marcel Vogel, but um the latest information
with Jen Han um on on healing techniques that people could use with the crystal
and in different applications. UM. One of the first classes is going to
be on how to completely clear the crystal the previous imprints because you have to
you have to do that first, and then how to use the crystal on
another person or how to do it on yourself. Um, and then uh,
and then a lot of it's going to go into uh theory of you
know, the the you know that my two scientists friends are hitting me with
all these all these all these questions you can imagine, um to understand the
physics of how they do it on planet Era that's different than how they do
it on planet Earth. So UM, we will probably explore that does planet
Era have the same physics totally totally different or thousands of years in advance?
Um, you know they live their average lifespan is uh, you know,
nine hundred to fifteen hundred years. Our average life span on planet Earth.
Last time I check with seventy five years. Um, the yeah, I'm
I'll be seventy four this next week. You know WHOA yeah, you don't
look seventy four. Yeah, I try to have a good diet. Maybe
maybe you're already using your crystals. Oh, I don't know if it has
anything to do with it. I think it's being being in a harmonious,
loving state and eating organic food and um, you know all that helps.
You mentioned this term planetary matrix earlier. I was wondering if you could expand
on what that means. Yeah, the planetary matrix. U Thorhan. I'm
not Thorhan, but jen Hand rather knows a lot about this. Being a
terraformer, Um, it is. It is this matrix in which all life
is interconnected to on a planet. Like say he said, for example,
if you were to use a crystal from Mars, it wouldn't have doesn't have
a resonance with Earth. It only resonates with Mars. If you have Earth
crystals, it resonates with the planetary matrix. Our bodies, our DNA,
resonates with Earth. You know, we're our bodies are made up of the
Earth, so we're part of this planetary matrix. So we have the ability
to the planetary matrix affects us, and we have the ability to affect it.
And but you were talking about like nested platonic solids as being part of
the planetary matrix. I'm sure that that's part of it. As I research
over the decades, I find that the platonic solids are in planetary bodies,
the planetary orbits. There's a fractal relationship from a proton to the universe.
That's a scaled fractal relationship. You know. Our DNA has this uh the
decahedral geometry to it. Even the periodic typele of elements has this um um
tetrahedral geometry that relates to the different elements that we have. And it's interesting.
On the and on the Secret Space Program on they have what's called replicators.
You know, you want to replicate a cheeseburger and a chocolate shake.
You know, it'll it's like you can record and play back, you know,
um and so um. Yeah, it's amazing the sciences that we will.
You know, our our whole system has been infiltrated, UMU corrupted our
education system. Science we don't we're not taught the full physics that you know,
these scientists are fully aware of that or been working in these uh these
other projects that the public's not aware of. We've been talking about quartz.
Um. There's a lot of other crystals that people use in metaphysical practices.
Um, Are there any other significant crystals you've come across? Quartz is the
most universal um. The other crystals that have you know, like amethysts,
rose quartz, garnered diamonds, rubies, emeralds, you know, they all
have their um, their particular geometries within, and they have their own qualities,
you know, but they're they're specific to those particular qualities. Whereas quartz
as a universal matrix that is resonant to everything. It's like water. Water
is also resonant to everything. As they dug down in Antarctica to these ice
core samples, they found that in these ice core samples that every single one
of the seven major classes of crystallography are exhibited in water, showing that it
has this ability to be universally resonant with all the geometries, all the all
the crystal forms. Is that what you mean? Yeah? In in water,
as it as it turns into ice, as it transitions um, it
can form into front geometries, and those geometries they found to be across the
entire spectrum that we know of in the world of crystallography. Gotcha. Yeah,
so water and quartz are sort of intimately linked because of what how they
can sort of bridge dimensions and how they're universal sort of, Yes, they
both act as interdimensional bridges. Interesting anything else that interacts with quarts and water
in the same way or functions the same way water. You know, water
is a profound study, you know when you understand the geometry of it.
And it's interesting. Both water and quartz are both hexagonal, right m.
And this hexagonal structure appears to be the basic fundamental of the of the matrix,
which is, you know, tetrahedral and hexagonal. That's really interesting.
Every time I do a psilocybin journey, I see like a honeycomb. I
start like getting a lot of I always attribute it to bees, but it's
like I can see the honeycomb um sort of structure beneath. I hadn't put
that together before. Yeah, yeah, that's the structure of the matrix.
Really interesting. Fact it's written about in some of the ancient writings. You
know, Madame Bolbotsky and the Secret Doctor and talked about the ancient standsas the
dizzyan whereas the matrix is the hexagonal matrix, which has you know, the
six sides, but in the center is the is spirit. It was where
it emanates from the from the And it's interesting that was kind of related to
that question I asked jen hand about the center of the center of the hexagon.
There is something, um, something very special that's happening there. Yeah.
Interesting. I love your questions. By the way, Derek, I'm
just I'm sketching out the the If you have those two triangles right, then
you have the hexagon in the middle and you have six points, but you
also have six vortices of interactions, so you essentially have like twelve twelve points
there and then you have a point in the middle and it's thirteen. Um
hmm. There's something that I'm gonna have to and have to think about that.
Um. I feel like I'm I feel like I've covered a lot of
the stuff that I wanted to ask you about. Oh, I'd love to
hear a little bit of I saw you live. You were telling me you
live off grid in the kind of in the wilderness, and I think I
saw that you live in a in a dome that you built I'd love to
just hear a little bit about your living situation, and yeah, it sounds
kind of experimental in a way, or trying to weave in a lot of
your other research and interests into your into your home. When I was working
for the government on all the electronic equipment, I was trying to plot my
escape. You know, I wanted to get I wanted to be self sufficient
and not have to hustle worry about, you know, getting for money.
And so my my dream was to be able to be completely self sufficient out
in nature, um, you know, not needing to So, you know,
after I did some work, I had an internet business, and I
was able to figure out search engine algorithms and was able to make them blast
a little blast of money in order enough to purchase some land. And so
I came up to Oregon and found a good deal on a piece of property
that was up on top of a mountain, and I ordered this, uh,
this kit that this jadese. It was a first cement jadesec dome in
Oregon. Um. I met my wife up here and then we both worked
together and we put it. We put it together. You know, three
hundred pound triangles you had they had to bring a crane and everything and cement
the whole thing together. Um, and so you know, initially I just
came up in an airstream trailer I was living. We lived together and stir
stream trailer for a few years. And the I've set up you know,
solar array and I had Internet connection and it was great, you know,
because I have I don't have any water bills. I have a well that's
powered by some solar panels that keep us with water. We got plenty of
power, electrical power, are heating we do with deadwood on the property.
We have a boiler that feeds a radiant floor to keep us warm in the
winter and the summertime. We route the irrigation water through the floor, cools
it and an evaporat or cooler and so we have no heating or cooling bills.
And because we're on top of a mountain, we're a relay for the
valley down below for internet, so we send the internet signal down. So
we don't have any internet bill, no water bills, no electric bills,
no heating bills, no cooling bills. Are our you know phone. We
use uh, you know Skype, which is like a thirty bucks a year,
so basically, and we're growing our own food. We're built a greenhouse
and we're using these UM growing towers that use verma composting and each tower yields
about fifty plants and we got all six of them. And so we're producing
our own food, which is that's our that's our main expense that we have
is UH food. But all the rest of the bills have been eliminated pretty
much, and so we live like millionaires on a beggar's budget. You could
say, um, see, your food budget is like supplementing what you can
grow, like when you go to the grocery and get extra food, is
it right? Yeah, there's nothing that's the medicine, you know, nothing
like the life force and live organic food that has been taint messed with UM
to UH to keep you healthy. And so how about community if you're outside
of town, Like, one thing that I really prize is just being able
to run into people as I'm out and about in my day. How has
that been for you? We my wife and I are both hermits, so
so we love being isolated away from everybody. So okay, it works out
really well that way. But you know, um, we have about twenty
two acres. I have a security system all around, you know, just
in case any crazies come. And uh, you know, we have just
a few choice friends that you know, rarely we interface with. But but
yeah, that's most of our social life is unfortunately on the internet. Yeah,
thanks for sharing. We we put on pause. But for the last
couple of years we were building a community, shopping for land or trying to
get about twenty five to fifty friends together to build a little mini village.
It'd be like a sort of a scaled up version of your your place,
you know. But we never shared need any advice. I've mastered the art
of living well without monthly expenses. Amazing. Yeah. Um, you know,
I saw our project as it's kind of like let's let's see what we
can incorporate, you know, like we're all encountering really amazing ideas and either
in building or in governance or food growing. So like let's build a community,
but let's also use it as a as a canvas for for experimentation.
Um oh yeah, like Buck Minister Fuller said, you know, don't find
the existing reality, create a new one. The old one becomes obsolete.
Everybody moves over to it. That's yeah, that's the that's the vision.
Um. So we uh, we're having we're having a kid in June,
so we kind of put the project on pause until we can devote more attention
to it. But oh, I totally. You know, when these energy
devices get released, anti gravity vehicles, med belts, you know, we
can extend our lives, you know, hundreds of years, and you can
populate remote places on the plant. There's plenty of places where you can have,
you know, with you can generate you know, your own food,
water, power, everything with a little small energy device that to give you
multiple killer watts and uh, you know you don't even need roads, so
yeah, you know you can go anywhere. I recommend doing alternative you know
housing, so that you know the insulation and everything is you know, optimal,
making the most of what resources you have, you know, for heating
and cooling. I had you mentioned your your house was cement or concrete um
our forty insulation. It's about seven inches of foam on the inside and about
an inch of concrete on the outside, and and so the floor acts of
the huge thermal mass that they want. It's heated sustains for quite a while
I heard of this um bio ceramic um sort of like, oh, right,
you can. It's kind of like creating like creating bones, but you're
using most of the carbon from the atmosphere and then sort of three D pinching
this biocereamic and do geodesic shapes and you can make these modular homes from them.
Um, that seemed like really cool once up too. You can start
with a small home, right, and then you could just like kind of
add link link add Oh yeah, I'm big believer in tiny homes. Tiny
homes. You know, you can do it. You can do it so
right, so that you know you have all your basic necessities. You know,
you think about it. You know, so much less the heat and
cool um, less to keep clean, you know, you have you knows
so many benefits of having a plus less cost of materials, less taxes if
you're you know, for square footage. Uh, and then you can always
expand you know, you can also build a little barn if you have,
like, you know a large collection of stuff you need to you know,
put so your laboratory right at the lab. You know. Yeah, although
I am I'm a huge fan of chateaus and like really nice, big houses,
like the personal personal passion of mine. So I'm trying to figure out
how to how to weave those two together. You can do it. I've
done it, and I absolutely recommend it and love it totally. Let's see
if I have I think that kind of wraps up a lot of my questions.
Is there anything I haven't asked you about that you want to make sure
you touch on? Um? I I don't know. We covered some ground.
UM. I think I think we're good. Um I'm trying to nothing
nothing comes to mind that we where would you like to point people to find
out more about you or your work? Oh? My, it's not a
professional site, you know. It's just when that media company wanted me to
write an article I started, you know, I decided to put it onto
onto the web, and then I just kept adding and adding to it.
The web matrix dot net is the site that goes from the year nineteen hundred
to almost present day. I kind of like, if people don't figure it
out by by the last year or two what's going on, then there's no
sense in me really continuing on any further. Um. And it's just like
it's never ending. The story you know, as it gets going and it
gets more, um more, way more bizarre. You know, if you're
you haven't, if you haven't researched. H it just it really keeps its
own best secrecy because it just sounds too far fetched for the average normal person
to imagine, you know, such things are going on. M Okay,
well, thanks, thanks so much, Dan, it's been It was a
pleasure in time with you. Pleasure. And yeah, I'll have to check
out the latest versions of the Bianchie bicycle. It was my favorite. I
loved my I used to polish my stainless steel spokes and true my wheels,
and I used to do like twenty five miles a day and fifty to one
hundred on the weekends. And um, I used to love that so much
when I was in my teenage days. Yep, yeah, those those bikes
have always been good looking. And uh, when I was a teenager,
when I was thirteen, as when I started cycling, and we would,
you know, my other thirteen year old friend and I we would go on
these long sort of adventures and it was like the first taste of real independence,
right, you know, our parents didn't know where we were. We
could just like pick up place and just go there. It's amazing. Yeah.
Oh cool, fantastic. Yeah, thanks so much, Dan, great
today, you app pleasure again