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M life isn't fair, justice is
blind and dysfunctional, and some cops aren't

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smart and dedicated like on television.
This is Who Killed undiluted focused focus.

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Uh, this is kind of a
news update edition of the podcast. So

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we'll, um, I got some
meaty things to talk about, and we

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will kind of give There's no case
updates today, there's nothing like that,

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but I'll kind of talk about where
we're going with that and some housekeeping things.

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It's kind of a plan of action
for today. Something on my mind.

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You know, I frequently write about
Jack the Ripper, everything from Ripper

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numerology to like Jack the Ripper baseball
teams and things like this. But it's

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not like I have this obsession with
White Chapel murders. It's more that I

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have a heightened interest in the interest
of Jack the Ripper and just that they

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seemed to be like a you know, there's murders, a flash point of

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crime reporting. UM. I don't
think there was anything quite like it that

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that journalistic hysteria that occurred in the
late nineteenth century, or was there before

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newsprint. I kind of imagine that
daily information was convey aid a lot,

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not by newspapers but like town criers
and things like this. I grew up

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in Saint John, New Brunswick.
We even had a town crier, this

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guy named John with a rasping voice. In the HBO series Rome, if

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if you've ever seen Rome, which
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really early HBO. So you know, a lot of violence, a lot

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of naked women, naked men.
And in Rome there's this wonderful device of

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the news reader. He's like this
robust orator who stands in the capitol.

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He's like bellowing out daily events that
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even like the newsreader even has a
sponsor. He's sponsored by the Brotherhood of

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Miller's True Roman Bread. And it's
just this great plot moving device. Whether

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it's historically accurate or not, it's
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it's something like that. But but
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is that ancient cultures must have had
verbal devices to communicate information to the masses.

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And what is what what would else, you know, you know,

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what would be the excuse for theater
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of of of ancient bloodlust, you
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Um, whether you know it or
not, the whole of Greek tragedy is

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comprised of under forty plays written by
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Escalus. And these these are like
really nasty plays. Right. There's there's

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regicide and uh in that side dismemberments
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eating of this guy's liver by this
big bird by a vulture um in the

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Prometheus Bound. And then if you
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like England compelled by the same blood
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Shakespeare and the Elizabethans, but it's
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the Jacobeans, who came after the
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see this this gruesome spectacle. Some
of Shakespeare's cruelest plays were written in the

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Jacobean Age, not in the Elizabethan
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for Measure, which is which is
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You know, measure for Measures got
incest. Uh. There's torture, the

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defenistration of Gloucester's eyes in Lear,
the out vile jelly. These um,

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these gruesome indulgences were even more painstakingly
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the plays of like Thomas Middleton,
of John Webster, John Webster who wrote

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The White Devil, Duchess of Malfie. It's in Middleton's Revenger's Tragedy where you

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kind of see this greatest achievement.
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Tragedy, and it's got you know, it's got it, it's got it

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all. It's got like mothers horring
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and it's like a blood bath of
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somebody even arrives on stage with a
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plays were largely dismissed by eighteenth and
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them as crass and not really worthy
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And it's not. It's not until
the Grand jole A Theater in the

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in the eighteen eighties in Paris,
France, where you the emergence of granol,

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almost in perfect confluence with the emergence
of ripper lore, where you see

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this realization of grim spectacle. Again, if you've ever read Mel Gordon's grandan

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Yole Fear of Fear and Terror,
I think the book is out of print

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now. He's a fascinating guy from
San Francisco who who wrote extensively about Grand

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Yole and the extreme themes in those
plays of vivisection and mutilation, insanity,

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sexual depravity. Of course, when
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as everything does things moving cycles in
the nineteen fifties, the the England's Hammer

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horror films kind of took up the
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And you see this in everything from
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in Black and Robin Hardy's The Wickerman. If you've never seen The Wickerman,

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you should see it. It's celebrating
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know, all of this is kind
of a perfect such segue to mention again

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that I think last fall I had
my friend Lauren Barnett on the show during

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Halloween to talk about her forthcoming book
Death Lines, which is sort of like

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walking Tours of London horror, and
that book is finally out. It was

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finally released in paperback, and there's
a link on the website. There's also

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links here too if you want to
explore gran and Joel and Thomas Middleton and

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things like that further at Teresa La
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s A A L L R E
point GAM. Couple of notes, I'm

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I'm gonna kind of have to ghost
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gonna go back to the publication of
just the the old episodes every it's moved

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out every Thursday, the original season
of Who Killed Teresa? Those will post

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every Thursday until July. I think
we're halfway through, and we're more than

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halfway through of a total of forty
six episodes, so I'll kind of keep

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the burner on there for a while. I'll probably post every second week now

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or podcast every second week because I
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case is not here, that deadline
is publisher's deadline is six months away,

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and clocking and the kind of feeling
the pressure of that, I need to

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It was nice to get away from
it for a while, but now I

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need to get back to work on
it and focus on a word about paid

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subscriptions and and this just occurred to
me because somebody somebody brought it up to

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me. If if you, um, if you feel like for some reason

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you should have access to premium content
on the substack. I'm at John Allre

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dot substack dot com, and of
course there's you know, you can subscribe

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and subscribe for free you get most
of the content. Subscribe paid you get

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a little additional content. We've talked
about this. But if for some reason

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you feel you should you should be
comped in as a free UM subscriber U

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because we've done something together, We've
worked on a project in the past or

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something like that. Just shoot me
an email and remind me and make your

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case. Uh, there's there are
several people who I omitted to do that

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for who of course I would,
you know, one of one of the

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people is someone who who maintains my
website and and and they just kind of

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gently poked me and said, hey, you know um, and of course,

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UM, I felt I felt terrible
about that for the oversight. So

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if you're following the substack and are
subscribing, and you think you have a

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case, just just email me and
and of course I'll do it. I'm

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not aware of who listens, like
hyper aware of who listens and whom who

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follows, you know, the website
or substacks substack subscription or whatever. I

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don't painstinctly go in and and and
review followers and things like that. I

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know some people do. Some people
have to write. I, um,

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this is more like a cottage side
hustle for me. Um. Others make

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a living from it, so um
or it's part of their second or third

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job. So I understand that.
And uh, you know, I don't

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solicit my friends and families intentionally for
this. I know, and I'm not.

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I'm not knocking that some people.
Some people do. It's their whole

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world, and uh, it's just
not my you know, my mother has

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no idea that I do this,
right, My brother doesn't follow me.

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Why would he do that? Um, friends and families. I may have

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some people who do and some people
who don't. But UM, you know

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I don't. You know, you
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it, like on my personal Facebook
page or something like that occasionally if I

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think it's something of broader interest,
but I don't do it because I don't

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want to put my my friends or
my friends, and I don't want to

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put them in an awkward position,
which could be because you know, a

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lot of them know me from from
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They have a different relationship with me, you know than John the crime

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guy, and so I don't really
there are others who who who who do

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know me, you know, from
those realms, and know me as John

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the crime guy and choose to follow
and that that's cool too. I'm fine.

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I'm fine with either, but I've
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it because I would hate to sacrifice
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my friends are my friends, so
and how they choose to approach and to

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you know, get to know me
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So you know, that's that's the
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that because you know, if if
for some reason, I I like I

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blanket um included you on a mailing
list and then you dropped me, not

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only would I not be offended,
I wouldn't be aware of it because I

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don't go in and meticulously look at
my list and who who's you know,

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who opened all posts that I've made
and who's only opened twenty I why why

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would anybody put themselves through that ridiculous? So I don't I don't do that.

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All of that is a round about
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there there's there's some key people like
people who worked with me on Wish you

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were here, and people who have
who worked extensively like assisting me with the

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project Quebec seek Um, people who
are now working with me on on that

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case is not here, of course, I I will never presume to charge

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the money for that. Restue you, however, come on, chip in

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buddy. Um. Anyway, I've
I've I've rung all the moisture out of

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that. Let's let's move on from
it. Some reminders if you if you

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missed the interview I did with Ben
O'Hara burn on a little more conversations,

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it's it's on it's in this post. There's a link to that interview.

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I don't know, it's twenty minutes
from the onset. We got together and

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and I said to him what you
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well, what do you want to
talk I could talk about? And I

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said, well I can tell you
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I don't really you know, I'm
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sister's murder case. If you if
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particularly the road of the first book, Uh, you're going to find me

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a really bored interviewer. And he
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lights, camera action, and that's
exactly the road he goes down, right,

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sort of like, Okay, when
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And how did you meet the love
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is not true, right? And
how did you two get together? And

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tell me about the suspect you focused
on? And I was nodding off,

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And it's it's nothing against Ben O'Hara
Byrne, who I found him to be

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a lovely guy. I just wish
it was a different line of questions.

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But anyway, nevertheless, there it
is. If I appear to be disengaged.

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That's why. The second thing is
that the Crime Junkie podcast that they

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did, which is terrific, which
is all that, And I'm fine with

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it, I because I didn't have
to do anything. You know, they

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covered the case on their own and
and ran with it, and I didn't.

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I didn't participate. So I'm that
I'm fine with you. Can you

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can talk about dragging out the entire
plot of the nineteen seventy eight Eastern Townships

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murders. You do that to your
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just don't. I don't want to
do it. Um. Some guy emailed

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me yesterday, you know, asking
peppering me with little questions about this affair.

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It was Friday, it was after
three, and it was all I

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could do not to say, you
know what Rapefruit League Baseball is on and

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I'm out. I'm like, I
don't care Mac because the Padres and the

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Seattle Mariners to West Coast teams,
I couldn't give a rats ass about are

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on the television and there's been no
baseball for six months, and right now

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it's the most important thing in my
universe. What was that you were saying

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about an unsolved murder? Forgive me, I'm quite punchy anyway. Crime Junkie

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listened to the show. I thought, Ashley and britt I think it is

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did a fantastic job. I didn't
know it's the number one or practically the

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number one true crime podcast in North
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that. I had I had no
idea, but there is time to why

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you know where I am gonna get
on a soapbox and be a little more

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serious about here is um. I
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of articles that appeared last month in
February in the Quebec French language newspaper La

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Press, focusing on law enforcement's use
of genetic genealogy to assist in capturing criminals.

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And again I've posted links to those
those articles on the website Teresa Lor

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dot com. If you don't speak
French, just run them through a Google

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translator or something, um because if
you're interested in this arena, they're really

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interesting. You know this, it's
almost a daily occurrence now that cold cases

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in the United States are solved using
this technique. And these are really old

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cases thirty years, forty years,
fifty years. And I choose those dates

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intentionally because because they're in print here
and there's links two cases within the practically

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within the last week thirty forty and
fifty that we're solved using genetic genealogy.

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And people in Quebec are beginning to
question why the sartetic Quebec has had a

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cold case unit for almost twenty years
now and have yet to solve a crime.

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And again put van case does not
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the acid test of a trial.
We know what can happen when a case

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like that goes to trial. James
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They had that on their website as
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it down because on appeal the case
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case is technically unsolved, although I
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spouse committed the murder. So this
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Um I was I was quoted um
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Quebec police forces have quote thrown away, misplaced or destroyed a number of objects

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containing DNA linked to crime scenes over
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limit the scope of the use of
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the Lapress article continued, for example, the Sequebec in Sherbrooke told me that

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my sisters underwear had been destroyed five
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article says, and his case is
not isolated, adds mister Lure, I've

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been doing this for twenty years,
and I've spoken to so many families of

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victims who have been told the same
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to be analyzed, says A Lure, who also hosts the podcast Who Killed

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Teresa, which focuses on solved murders
in Quebec. Hey, hey, I'm

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happy if they can help solve crimes, but I'm not holding my breath,

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A Lure said, So there's nothing
new here. I've said this, I've

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you know, I've squawked about this
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is that the Quebec police are playing
poker and the genetic genealogy game, and

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they're not holding any cards. More
interesting than the first article which featured me

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is the second article that came out
on this subject that does not feature me.

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That's it's the one most people missed
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article the Laboratory of Judicial Sciences and
Legal Medicine of Quebec the lsj mL,

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They've always got these massive titles with
unmanageable acronyms. Anyway, the the ls

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j mL was being quote hopeful of
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in the article and hedge. Their
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was quote quite complex, and then
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whole host of techniques available in Quebec, techniques that you all know because by

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now most of the lay people are
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networks, Patrick in y chromosome rapid
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they failed to mention whether any of
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province, which is which is maddening. The point is not what is available,

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The point is are you using them? And linked to that, of

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course, is the elephant in the
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is any mention of Quebec law enforcements
endorsement of the techniques in conjunction with this

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legal body, the ls JML.
So it's this maddening game of three card

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Monty where Quebec law enforcement continues to
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what I say is that sooner or
later the music's going to stop, right

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and we're going to know that they're
not holding any cards. To borrow a

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phrase from a scientist from another discipline
who very similarly felt like he was chasing

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windmills. No one's minding the store. They're all asleep at the switch.

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Looks like you're gonna lose your shirt, kids, Good luck, kids,

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got all he needs is an easy
tent for a royal flush. Looks like

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the kid hasn't got it after all. Skittle poker from Aurora. Sometimes you

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win and sometimes you lose your shirt. You know. I bring all of

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that up because it obviously I'm frustrated
by it. And you know, one

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you know, I'll just tell you
I'm I'm working with two television producers,

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one in Canada and one in the
US. And and if you want more

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on that, you're gonna have to
be a paid subscriber, because for paid

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subscribers, I've already revealed the details
this in a separate post. But for

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now, that's all you really need
to know. And it's a constant struggle

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with them trying. You know,
I guess I'm not expressing myself correctly because

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you know, it's a one point. Somebody said to me, what you

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know, what's all is trash talking
against the Quebec police. It's not trash

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talking. It really is and anyone
who takes it that way, you know,

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maybe I'm not as I say,
I'm not communicating myself is precisely as

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I should. I think I've said
very very clearly that at this point I'm

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of the belief that my sister's case
wasn't solved because of the obstacle of the

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police, because they stood in the
way of a proper investigation, because the

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lead suspect in the case was a
police informant, and to expose the police

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informant would have would have compromised their
work with him, and therefore Teresa's case

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had to be sacrificed for the greater
good. That's not trash talking. That's

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just that's grounds for a wrongful death
suit. Quite frankly, if if I

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were litigiously inclined, that's grounds for
a lawful unlawful death suit against Quebec law

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enforcement. And it's not trash talking. And I am not again anti law

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enforcement, as I've said before,
and I sort of said to this producer,

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I'm currently working with two police agencies
in two very different states in the

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United States, one in New England
and one in the Midwest, and they

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couldn't be more different. One is
a bluish state. One is a red

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state. I don't give a shit
about I don't care about that stuff.

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And they have been gems. They
have been respectful, diligent, cooperative,

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and equally I have been I've been
a prince with them, working with them,

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because there's this kind of mutual understanding
which I've never experienced. All I

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experience with Quebec law enforcement is insecurity
and a general feeling that they know they

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don't know what they're doing full stop, and that is that is the frustration.

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So it's not trash talking the Quebec
police. You know, I've done

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it before out of frustration. I
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But it's there's no acrimony against any
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the force. We're talking about professional
matters, and we're talking about a very

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old institutional problem um that no one
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Um. It's sort of kind of
left. Well, that's just the way

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it is. That's the way it
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but by way of example, I
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tell you at some point. Last
year, the folks from the Polizon show

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that on the Discovery Channel approached me
and there were several overtures, and there

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was there was some there was some
work done around that about about possibly being

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featured on the Polizon Show. And
I'll just tell you, I don't think

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Polizon and I are going to be
working together because their first position was,

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you know, we're very pro law
enforcement, you know, we we want

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the interview with them and we want
their opinion on it. And I was

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like, well, then we have
nothing to talk about because that's not this

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case. And I understand how that
works into your formula. You know,

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a very plot driven approach to true
crime which follows a judicial process, which

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frankly to me, is a very
artificial process. It's very linear, uh,

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and it's it's meant to express facts
to the lowest common denominator in order

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to get finally arrived at a yes
and no answer, yes or no answer

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in a judicial process. And and
all of that may be true, you

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know in the forces within that the
corner, the prosecutor, the defense attorney,

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the judge, the police force are
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But that's not the way behavior works. So that is not a proper

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articulation of how crime works. So
if you're using if you're taking the plot

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journey of the crime, the arrest, the judicial process, the sentencing,

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that that is a reality. But
it's not the most fascinating reality to me

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about how murder functions. But it's
the one that ninety percent of these shows

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focus on, and it's just the
wrong model. It's the wrong model.

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Behavior, how a victim and an
offender come to interact are infinitely complex and

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more interesting than that. And I
would say that is that is where me

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and the Polisons of the world part
company because we have nothing to discuss because

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it's um. They want to simplify
something that cannot be simplified. Said,

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that's all for this week. I
thank you for listening, Thank you for

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being a listener and uh an engaged
advocate. It is much appreciated. That's

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it. I'm I'm out. Thank
you for listening. This has been Who

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Killed Teresa? I'm your host,
John Alore, have yourself so a great,

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great day. She went found,
I washed it. I still find

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stems Stan. She got across the
stars. I find I m I trans

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got to go. It can't always
be. I don't care. I love

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game. I want to try to
fay somebody. I was to meet it

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all again. Sometimes I was starting. I was going to find on the

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fixt rest. She got across the
stars. I want to fight. I want to