Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for
the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for
nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close
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to Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas,
and we have hic. I don't know why I always say my name Fenny
at the beginning of the show, but it's fun and we have a fun
and interesting show. Today we have George Lebuono, and I hope I'm saying
his name correct. That sounds nice Lobono, so hopefully I'm doing that all
right. But he is a journalist and researcher into the underside of the history,
and lord knows there's a little bit of that. In nineteen ninety five
he began researching aliens and alien related programs. He's recently finished his book titled
Alien Mind, The Thought and Behavior of extraterrestrials. You may be thinking,
how would he know how extraterrestrials think and behave? And perhaps it is because
he's an et himself. I don't know, we'll have to ask. I
don't think that's it. But he's just done a lot of study in this
field, talk to a lot of contact these But we'll ask him some more
details on that very question coming up here. So he's going to share all
of his findings of his years of work in this field. And I've heard
good things about his book. In fact, I heard from Bob Brown,
who used to run the International UFO Congress and is still you know, an
advisor for us helping us out with that. He said that the book is
incredible. It is excellent. I saw him reading it at the mouf On
Symposium and I asked him and he said it was incredible. So that is
a good sign from someone who's been in this field for a long time.
So I said, I got him, have him on the radio show.
Then we got to talk to George there, so we got him on the
show. We'll be talking about that today, something new and interesting. Speaking
of the UFO Congress, of course, that's coming up and this is pretty
cool. You can already go to our website or go to ufocongress dot com
and register so you can sign up for the full shebang. So you have
your registration in, you can go rint your hotel rooms. You can get
all set and ready. And I gotta tell you, I'm gonna let you
in on a little secret. I don't know if you heard the guy that's
on the show before me. I get a little influenced by him. I
feel like talking with him. I gotta tell you, I got a little
secret here for you. But the rooms are somewhat limited, so you've got
to get in and get your rooms as soon as possible because the rooms could
be gone and then you're going to be in trouble. You're gonna be wishing
you have followed my advice and got in your room. So call in and
check that out, or go to the website. That's the easiest thing to
do. Of course, that's what I do everything online, So that's really
cool. We've already got that going. Also, speaking of conferences, we
actually have on our YouTube site. We're now a YouTube partner, so they
have kind of allowed us to do some cooler and better things than most YouTubers
can do, which is we can customize our site and we can put longer
programs up there for rental. So if you've seen some of the DVDs we
have on our website, especially the Crash conference ones, and you're curious,
you know what I even like that, I'd like to see it first where
you can go watch it for three dollars on YouTube. You have access to
it for three days and check it out before you decide whether or not you
want to get the DVD, or maybe that's all you wanted to do is
watch it once and so you don't need the whole DVD for that, so
you can go to YouTube and do that. You can go to open Minds
TV at YouTube, or just go to our website and you'll be able to
click from it from there too. That's Openminds dot tv of course. So
the first one we have up is Michael Schrat and we put up clips too
that you could watch for free, and already the first clip we've put up
at has thousands of people watching it real popularly. He just goes through tons
and tons of cases from KUFOS, which was a very popular UFO research group,
just case after case after case after case, so lots of and with
his own illustrations that are really cool. And then new time for the radio
show only one more time at nine pm, Arizona time here at the KFNX
studios in Arizona. Because and I've we've gotten some people excited about this.
We're gonna go back to our longer format hour and a half with no commercials,
so hopefully you like that. It'll be a lot of fun. We'll
be able to get some more info. But I'm gonna miss these guys at
Cafinex. They've been really great, i gotta tell you. So, if
you're in Arizona you want a radio show, come talk to Cafinex, sir
if they're cool guys. Now before we talk to George about the Alien Mind.
Every day, practically every day, we have UFO news headlines on the
front page of our website, and we have our news correspondent Jason McClellan here
to share us with reading Zolohandro. Hello, Hello Phoenix, and hello world.
This is your Open Minds Newsbrey for Monday, August sixteenth, twenty ten.
He's back. Richard Heen, better known as the Balloon Boy's father is
in the news again. He is posted a video on YouTube showing him reviewing
NASA images of the Martian surface. Heen highlights certain objects on the planet's surface
and draws conclusions as to what they might be. For example, he points
out objects that resemble body parts like heads, bones, and even a snout.
A snout, Alejandro, do you think there are snouts on Mars?
What do I know? Hopefully I can go there one day and see.
I hope there aren't snouts. Yeah, that's kind of weird. We've got
the hot snouts here. We got there with Javeliero's. Is that what they
call the little Boreslajaveolina's Welcome to the Southwest, my friend. Multiple UFOs were
spotted over Saint Paul, Minnesota last week. The bright lights in the night
sky formed a line, then moved around, then formed a line again,
then moved around again. Witnesses gathered in the street to watch the unidentified flying
objects, and the local ABC affiliate posted a video of the of the UFOs
in the sky. Did you see the video, Alejandro, I don't know.
In the Twin Cities, there were five lights in the sky and they
sort of lined up and the light in the middle was blinking. Oh,
I did see it, and when I first saw the video, I thought
it was just a very large craft and then they all moved around, yeah
to watch. I thought that video was very interesting and I'm not sure who
shot the video, but I think ABC actually did because they were gathered because
they show the crowd in the street and there's like a mob outside, people
with children and everything. They're just looking up at the sky watching these strange
lights move around. Yeah. I saw it was reported that it was ABC,
but they didn't say that. They didn't have any comments on it,
and they didn't really describe what was going on, which is kind of interesting.
I think they were more interested that there was a crowd of people looking
at the sky. Yeah, well it was interesting. Yeah. Brazil announced
last week that it will begin reporting UFOs. Military and civilian pilots, as
well as air traffic controllers, will now be required to report any experiences with
unidentified flying objects to the Aerospace Defense Command in Brazil, along with any photo
or video proof. The evidence will be cataloged and made available to researchers and
anyone else who might be interested. This is really cool and I think this
is in line with a lot of other countries with a push to get this
information out to the public. You know, there's a push in Argentina right
now. We've got a story about that on our website. And it also
reminds me of Mario Borgisio in the European Union, pushing to get sort of
an official X files department form and a department to get this information to the
public for research. Some people are arguing that all they're going to do is
collect those sightings and then put them in an archive, and they're not serious
about it. However, Aj Govard, who's a researcher out there, he
says he's talked to these generals and he's got these interviews online and stuff,
and a lot of these people really take this serious and they're not just going
to shuffle paperwork or show these things around. They take this steff serious,
even though they're not they don't have a formal investigation group together. Hopefully that'll
happen. Well, that's great. I hope that's how it happens, and
you know, I hope they do make it public so others who do the
research can research exactly people like Aj. That'll be great. YEPI. The
SETI Institute hosted Setikon over the weekend in California's Silicon Valley. The event featured
talks, panels, and one on one interactions, all dealing with the science
and science fiction of extraterrestrial life. Setikon was attended by astronauts, actors,
and other science minded professionals. SETI the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence is perhaps best
known for their efforts in listening for alien signals from space. At Setikon,
Seth's Shosak, seti's senior astronomer, said that our chances of finding et are
pretty good and proof could come in the next twenty five years. Yeah,
he's very positive about them having success. They try different new stuff, But
I don't know, if you if you look at Stanton's Friedman talk about them,
you know, and a lot of scientists who are talking about maybe they're
doing things that are not necessarily the best way to do it, and it's
unfortunate that they don't research our arena because and I have a story where I
talked to Shostak about UFOs and he said, well, if there's so many
UFOs, one don't astronomers see them? Well, they have, and there's
a lot of famous stories that way, if he would have done any research
at all. So I put this story up. I still haven't sent it
to him yet. I have to send him my story because I couldn't think
of some of the details and names when I was talking to him. So
I'll send that to him and hopefully he'll read Peter Sturk, doctor Peter Sturrick's
books, or Heine's books and these famous astronomers who have seen UFOs. That's
a really cool response article, and I'm glad you put it up. I
hope he does read it too. I do. He's a great guy.
WOULD love to talk to him. He's really a nice and very approachable right
then. Lastly, AOL News published a story today about Elvis Presley and his
obsession with UFOs. Apparently, Elvis had several UFO sightings and his father even
saw UFO the night Elvis was born. The primary source for the story was
Michael Luckman, author of the book Alien Rock The Rock and Roll Extraterrestrial Connection.
Luckman was a guest on Open Minds Radio in May and he talked about
Elvis as well as well as other musicians and their et encounters. We actually
had him on the show two weeks in a row, right, yeah,
two weeks in a row. It was a real good show too. That's
it for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more at openminds
dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Minds News
correspondent, Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed. Thank you, Jason.
Speaking of the en more part, some of the other stories we have out
there, we have the one I just talked about the astronomers c UFOs two
where I did some surveys and case studies where astronomers checked on other astronomers seeing
UFOs. We have one on Argentina, which Jason had mentioned a little bit
of news there. We have one on Leslie Keane's great new book where she
has a lot of officials from around the world, including several generals, talking
about UFOs and UFO research. So you have to check out that review and
then go check out her book. But our latest story today is a hot
one as far as I know. This is our scoop where we had found
this document. But there's a big aerospace development company. They're one of the
main space industry companies in France and they did or actually organizations, they did
a study on UFOs where not only do they say yes, UFOs are serious,
it's something to look at, but they even talk about the extraterrestrial hypotheses
and how it's a valid one and very possibly the right answer to this mystery.
So it's really cool what Antonio Hunans did because he speaks several different languages,
who works for us. We've had him on the show. He translated
that into English, so you can download the pdf from our website read it
for yourself and English. Really cool stuff coming up George le Bono and the
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Radio. Somebody in the chat mentioned I didn't mention the time that the show
will be going to, and that will be seven pm Arizona time. Right
now, we're Pacific and it's kind of strange because the rest of the world,
the rest of the most of the rest of the country, changes their
time zone and we stay the same. So in a few months, in
November, I think we'll be in a mountain, but right now we're in
Pacific, so at seven pm Arizona time, and we'll be on blog Talk
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as usual, so you can download us on your iTunes, which many many,
in fact, most of our listeners do, which is great. iPods
are awesome. I love my math book and I love my iPhone and I'm
not afraid to admit that. Next up on the show, we have George
Leblono talking about his new book, Alien Minds. George, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here. Oh right, great, it's great to have
you on the show. It's always fun when a new and interesting book comes
out. And you have had sort of versions of this book online for quite
some time, right, yeah, it's people got interested in it. So
that's why I asked me to start serializing before we're even done, and it
was already on some radio shows, and of course I just had the paperback
out just now. It's called Alien Mind, The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials.
It's available on Amazon, and I guess o the sides great. Yeah,
it is really I haven't been able to read in depth the whole thing,
but I've been able to read parts and look through it because I want
to get an idea of what's going on here. And you have a lot.
I mean, it's a lot of information, and is it. It's
essentially what you feel. The scenario is when people ask what are they doing
here and why? It looks like you feel your book answers that question.
Yeah, I mean you think about it's a huge some I mean some people
are still thinking aliens, you know. I meanwhile, we've got astronauts,
present advisors. If Colonel Philip Course working in the Pentagon says reverse engineering alien
technology says, we've got microcomputer, microcircuitry, lasers, you know, optical
fibers, all that. Because it was copied from Roswell and presumably other crashes.
So the thing is that it's a huge it would now that's true.
It's a huge subject. I mean, look at this. Just recently,
the Kepler satellite went up and it's looking at one hundred and fifty six thousand
stars about ten thousand and fifteen thousand lights away from not mistaken, and it's
watching for little for planet's about the size of Earth to go right across the
star. Six weeks into the mission, it's it's going to be gone for
at least eighteen months before they think they're done with their data, because they've
got to let a planet go all the way around. You know, each
star, they've already got one hundred and forty candidates possible. These the Earth
size. This is brand new, the same size apparently as Earth, and
some of these may actually be habitable. So you know, it's not the
way it used to be. It's not like people are sitting around just speculating.
We have inside sources, we have direct contactees reportedly alleged abducteees that people
who talk about having seen aliens and alien technology down and an injured alien that
ros so that communicated telepathically. So the challenge is what are they doing,
what are they like, and what's really going on. That's one thing I
liked about the book because, like you said, it makes sense that that
there's not just a few civilizations out there. It would make sense there could
be a lot and like you have in here these mega populations. Yeah,
yeah, well it's first off, you know, some people don't know how
big the universe is. It's there's imagine like a seven with twenty one zeros
after it. That's one recent scientific etumer of the number of stars in the
universe. There are billions of galaxies in Milky Way's only one, and there
are billions of stars in many of the large larger galaxies. So it's huge,
you know, it's just huge. And so that you know if they're
aliens here that have visited here or alien anywhere, and it is starting to
look like there certainly should be aliens because you know, they could have evolved
billions of years before we did because member Earth there are time's been around four
point five billion years and actually there their little planets. Plants have been seen
in some of those globular clusters or stars above and below the Milky Way central
balls of this big spiral galaxy we live in, and one of those plants
were seen to be about eleven billion years old. So if you think about
that, that means you a lot of little time for big supernoas to blow
up. Shoot some oxygen and for other you know, elements to mix in
in some of the planets in the vicinity. You can imagine or see where
some aliens could have evolved billions of years or their planets would simply have been
ready for life billions not millions of billions of years before us. Right,
So if that's the case, I mean, you can imagine they we would
have moved around in being different places. And you know, if they're aliens
all around, it wouldn't just be one or two. There certainly would be
no one single alien regime. There would be a variety. There would be
different younger populations like us or maybe what some people call the gray aliens,
like they're also relatively younger. Other they meet technically sort of, you know,
I guess modified in some ways, if you know what people say,
report the abductees and contact these say. And there would also be larger pops
in each galaxy, larger populations and some medium size and of course, like
us, we're an independent, smaller just just barely beginning. Well and like
you said, you said with a grace, relatively older. I mean,
who knows what relative could be? Relative could be a million years to the
next neighbor, which is you know, three million years. I mean that
the numbers could be very large. Mm hmm. Yeah. And if the
more the more planets there are, the rarety know that you know, one,
not very two planets stars or more is probably going to have planets.
And I mean, you know, the most dishonestment on the Ler the Kepler
satellite program, the one I was telling you about looking for little little Earth
size plans going right in front of the stars, giving the life that they
can detect it there deestimating one hundred and ten, possibly one hundred and ten
million Earth sized planets in this one galaxy alone. So you start thinking about
this, you know, we could possibly find some relatively close to us,
possibly some even you know, less even less involved than we are, still
back in the eighth category, but there might be some that are you know,
sit understand pretty much exactly how we are. And we remember that sure
it was only about fifty thousand years ago, you know, not too long
right time. You know, another factor that I heard Santon Freedman talked about
recently that really kind of hit me this time. And I don't know,
I think I'm sure I've heard him say it before, but that The Drake
equation calculates how long a civilization might exist, but it doesn't factor in people
colonizing or leaving the planet that they originated from, which would make sense.
You even have Stephen Hawking in the news recently saying that we need to leave
the planet if we're to survive, which makes sense as to something you know,
highly evolved technologically civilization could do you know from what you know, if
we look at the data we have so far, we have direct people apparently
direct contactees we have I mean from Bill Kolsa for example, this is Connell
who worked on he sets the program taking technology directly from Roswell, so there's
a whole Pentagon program. And of course I mean he said that the US
government was essentially sort of revolutionized from within because of a news they thought as
the security need more advanced being buzzing. In the Roswell case, it was
the only nuclear bomber base. It was from where the you Knowla Gay took
off to go off to do what it did, you know, to bomb
Erosima. You know, they they were worried thinking, oh, you know,
why are they buzzing our military basis? And they began to think of
it as a security threat, and the point being is that you know,
there's spend a lot of time for people to think about it, so that
the reports from coursal time, their abductees, contactees and their people from different
parts of you know, of different governments all over the planet. So we've
got a lot of data about it, and that's that's where we are now.
We're sort of looking at that data and trying to determine what how do
they think? And that's what my book is about. How do they think?
How do they how do they feel think about us? And it's actually
my book can attempt to look more from an alien perspective as much as possible
from as than our perspective. Great, yeah, and I want to get,
of course, more into detail about that perspective. After this break.
We got to take a quick break and we'll be right back with George Lobono
talking about the alien mind, seeing it from the alien's point of view.
Stay tuned, you're listening to Open Minds Radio. This is Open Minds Radio
here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Hey, that's
me Open Minds Radio, and you're talking to we're talking to George Lafono.
Hopefully you're going to be talking to him, because you can call in and
do that. Someone in the chat asks and they're like, yes, sweet.
And if you're not in the Phoenix matual area, it's eight one eight
six, six, five three, six eleven hundred. That's total free.
Or if you are, that's six oh two two seven seven five three six
nine. Hopefully Dan from in the chat we'll call in with his question.
If not, I'll ask it anyway. But one thing I wanted to get
with you, uh, go to next of course, George, is a
lot of the information I know that you use comes from contact ease or abductees
to communicated with different beings. But and it does seem like a lot of
as I'm sure you know, a lot of contacts and so forth, kind
of argue about certain points and disagree on some things. Of course they do
agree on a lot. How do you kind of deal with that? What
the differences in what people are saying. The way to deal with that is
to pull further back rather look at one population or one dispute about whether the
greater family or the you know, the sort of whether the human looking aliens
and so forth. The best best thing is to keep pulling further back,
looking at more and more groups of aliens, looking at trying to see what
they're like in common and what's valid about them what doesn't appear to be valid.
Also is to try as best you can to think about using what has
a good internal consistency in reports that you who are the who reliable thoughtful sources.
Are they basing some much or are they are they well read in science
such such that they would understand the science and be able to sort of probable
or you know, past something that happened to them, and you know,
see whether they're being given a kind of a sales job let's say possibly,
you know, like by an alien that might have an agenda of a sort
they might be misinterpreting. So that's look at the larger scale. That's how
you best sorted out now, I know, not being fearful. You talk
about a lot, which makes sense, especially when you're setting something that can
be a bit scarier for people, and for the most part you're you're pretty
positive. However, one thing I wanted to question is essentially starting off with
you know, what you found out, what is abduction all about well,
that's the big question, and you know the different people. David Jacobs,
a PhD. At Temple University, has a duty saying that it's clearly about
a breeding program, that abductees are taken where but reproductive materials are taken from
them. People are sort of numbed out, kind of new kind of energy
technology just sort of it's essentially kind of flowing time or freezing nerve impulses going
down part of the spine, and people are essentially floated. It's they're not
just kind of crunched through a wall. It's like folding kind of an energy
wave. You know, everybody, you mean, I believe it, but
you're not made out of solid things. Science termined after nineteen twenty eight that
the energy everything they have is is moving around back and forth, and there
are little waves here and there, sometimes in more than one place at a
time. Nothing is solid, nothing is concrete. People say they moved through
the taken up and it looks like abduction is about a study b in some
cases a breeding program to produce what appeared to be according to abductees, and
a military was concerned about this too, because the Wildswell aliens, according to
so of course, are looked in the eyes of the military too human,
they were too much like us. They had to have some sort of human
components, so breeding hybrids that look like us. The question is what for
why would would they be trying to use them in the society for you know,
for certain reasons? What's going on? Do you know? Or well,
I would say you know. On the one hand, well, for
example, if you look at the story of the most commonly known aliens called
the Graves, they're those you know, kind of three and a half wo
for tall aliens, the kind of large sometimes wrap around eyes. They appear,
according to some of abducte accounts, to be you know, working on
certain hybrids, but they're part of a larger alignment of aliens. And some
abductees or some contact these say, you know what they say what the story
is that they're trying to get our genes because they they've been reproducing, non
sexually cloning in order to improve themselves flight. The gene for let's say,
better radiation resistance, are one for a larger brain, and you've got clone
pretty much alike aliens, but they're consistent, you know, they get rid
of certain defects. Problem being they don't have new genes coming into sort of
getting the physical rigor that we have, and sometimes there's a genetic diversity.
So they try to tell abduct eesa or essence. They reportedly telling humans,
we're wanted to try to improve ourselves because we've been going too long, as
qloned. The problem with that story, though, is that they're part of
a much larger alignment of aliens or interaction aaliens reportedly according to some accounts,
from not even from this galaxy. But the point being is they could always
get genes from some of those other Innians, they would not have to borrow
human genes. So that story, you know, but you know, so
the next question is if they're not really they don't really need our genes.
Well, they might want them for science purposes, but what if they would
want to expand and have influence in this area and by breeding human looking hybrids,
the more you breed the hybrid, the first version for the half human
half alien like what people say have landed it wi aswell, But if you
go breed that with a human three more times, it looks almost entirely human.
And the fear of according to Robert Sergeant Robert Dean and Colonel Corso and
some others who worked on reportedly deep black programs, was that aliens could be
in the White House, or there could be an alien in some high part
of the society and we wouldn't know it. And what would they be doing.
Would they be working towards one particular group's influence or domination here? You
know, you'd want to know what the abduction is really about. Mm hmm.
So you think it could be which you know, of course I've heard
hypothesized before. It could be that they're they're using this these hybrids to gain
influence. Possibly, Yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's there's
evidence to suggest that. I mean, there's also evidence that abduction is kind
of part from their perspective. Some of it's just experimental. They could always
say this if you cornered them, you know, say, say aliens are
here and they're abducting, and they're very intelligent, they're very very scientific.
You know, the aliens, by the way, more subdued. They tend
to be a little bit they're not violent, and and since they're telepathic,
their their communications are largely kind of electric. I don't say electronically. They
have an energy system that kind of amplifies mind frequencies, so they can communicate
more than just one to each other, you know, like in a group
for example, can they much more when they talk like them? But because
they're like that, you know, they can talk to people and tell what's
going on. But this is kind of it's a science perspective for them.
They you know, they might want to just look and well, we've better
study these people. And reportedly they've told people or communicated that they want to
help. They want to be ready to have genes for us, if you
know, we thought that we wanted to either work with them, they would
have genes to help improve us. And the even reports of being human looking
aliens. Some people call these the Nordics the quote Pleaudians, even though they
could never have originated in the script of stars called the plotics because they just
brand new stars, you know, you know that that's what makes you worry
about that account why they'd call themselves that. But human looking aliens could conceivably
be some of these slightly it lightly modified human versions take from during abductions and
being then being shown to us. You know, here these these gentler Uh,
they're kind of telepathic. They're they're they have this technology and they seem
to in some cases they have cruised response before what they do. Although the
question would be is if they're part of an abducting alignment or do they share
the same agenda, and that's that would be a concern, right, And
then moving a little bit off topic here, just because there's a question in
the chat, and of course there's subjects so huge that I want to try
to touch on as many subjects as we can as possible. Someone from the
chat is asking how many different types of aliens do you estimate are out there?
Well, because you know, to say, okay, are out there,
I'll be I'll tell you exactly what I think. I think there are
trillions of populations. Why not here right in our neighborhood. I mean probably
interacting with us. Now that's probably with the person had in mind, how
many you're interacting with humans? My best best that would be dozens, possibly
even though our hundred, but some would be interacting would just be you know,
if there is an alignment, say like the Grays, they have certain
technology and they're affiliated with some older ailings, slightly older apparently it's a larger
grouping reportedly according to almost all the kind of a variety of aliens in it
sair neighboring aliens might not think, well, you can't just dive in there
with our a fleet of you know, fifteen craft, because one of them
might be seized and then some of our people get abducted, and next thing,
you know, they're trying to do that to us, you know.
And so the point being is that some of them could be kind of cautious
about how they're kind of interacting here. But since there's so many galaxries and
so many planets, I send that there are trillions of different populations. The
point but you have to watch up because some of them could be very large,
hundreds or or even thousands of planets, some of them small one or
two or a few, or even kind of interacting with you know, a
little group of trading with other inns. But one thing is gonna say,
you know, all the evidence that we've seen for everything, I'm not kidding,
every single account of every single alien that I've heard of, except maybe
there's some weird exception, are all equalitarian. See, all their societies have
apparently gotten over the bump that we have, which is where you have like
rich and poor and a poor distribution, a bad distribution of resources, and
of course that lexi ecology, and there's some people want too much and some
people aren't responsible, and corruption swive. Well, aliens apparently learn how to
share, and according to the story, well sometimes that can be good.
Sometimes it could be a kind of a little bit repressive and that you know,
it's like the right community of mind and you know, can you think
freely in that kind of situation? Do you have to do what the regime
says? Right? I get your point there, So we'll get more into
that when we get back from the break. Actually we have some more questions
calling in collars and chat. So stay tuned. You're listening the open Minds
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before we go further, George, we do have a call in the queue,
so I want to be sure to get to that, and I'm sure
that this interesting question will spawn further conversation. Danny, are you on the
line. Yeah, I'm here. Thanks for taking my call. Cool.
I think this is the first time you've called in. You've always threatened to
do it, You've been in the chat, and you've never done it,
right, So I finally got the cojones to do it, I guess,
since you guys are not going to be on there for much longer. Yes,
so it's okay. So I actually have two questions and then I'll hang
up and like listen off the phone. I've been into, like I guess
upology and UFOs and stuff for a long time. I believe alien abductions are
real and they're happening. However, my wife is a big time skeptic and
things. All of it is just you know, a load of you know
what. And she says, and I kind of agree with her sometimes that
researchers and other people may be making a fundamental mistake when we sign human motivation
and values to alien cultures and use our human history as a benchmark for what
aliens may do, like colonizing other planets, like Stan Freeman was talking about.
So I'd like for George to answer that or talk about that. One
other thing is, if there are civilizations out there that are perhaps millions and
billions of years older than us, why would they send actual biological entities here?
Why wouldn't they just send robots or some sort of cyber organs or something
here. So those are my questions that I'll hang up and listen. Thanks
for taking my call, Thank you. So I guess we'll tackle the first
one before we get to the sending terminators here. But I talking about,
you know, from us using a human perspective. Yeah, they call that
anthropomorphisms. Everybody makes that mistake, And you know what, even the best
researchers are going to make that mistake. People are a friend or fho,
well there could be something not necessarily friend or fo. They would just maybe
just studying us and they think, well, we are kind of primitive,
we could be dangerous, but you know we're humans are kind of emotional reportedly
compared to aliens, so yeah, that's even you know. The key is
to be able to step outside of one's skin. Aliens portedly they're their practice
is the essentially almost it's like a remote viewing, not of themselves. It's
because consciousness and the sort of telepathy and they're kind of psychotronics. Is it
kind of expands out. It it goes way out, and that's the weird
thing about it sort of cycles into kind of deeper space right where you're like
in the nucleus or it's sort of jumping out. But the idea is that
they step out there of their skin and they have to think, like,
well, how does community think, cause there's this kind of more a social
identity. In our case, we're sort of thinking, you know, I,
me and mine, and we tend to think of our aims. They're
here, they're trying to take what we want, or maybe maybe they're you
know, trying to eat eat people. There are kinds of weird things people
think, and I, you know, it's the challenge for researchers is to
try to just set our all our conventions aside and essentially, as Buddhists might
say, see with beginner's eyes, don't make assumptions, just see see what
you're seeing, and don't guess they do sometimes, just just be open to
what you see. Yeah, that's what's always hard with uh, considering motivations.
I think it's and I think the best you can do is follow the
data. You know, we we can just gather what we see them doing
or and put things together that way and before we run out of time too.
I want to get to his next question, why wouldn't they send cyborgs
or do you believe they are doing something similar to that? You know,
I don't think when people luctily say, oh, they think the grays report,
I we're just re keep hitting on the graves. They hint the grays
are sort of robotic, and that was an early sort of misconception. They
may have had some sort of you know, microelectronics sort of things implanted in
some spot here there. But you know, ninety nine point whatever percent tissue
and well some of the genetically engineered but ins would send robots, probably a
smart alien. But the first thing they would do is they would send a
craft in common it would hover. I would if I were an alien,
I would send a craft. I would let it hover for about you know,
three months, keep it sort of invisible, pick up all the sweep
all the electronic communications go down, study whatever with Michael Craft, study details
different societies. Then you know, communicate back to the alien society, and
if the people, the aliens themselves wanted to come, then they would go.
And that would begin essentially like the contact or the actual direct hands on
study looking at the biology, you know, doing you know, listening,
maybe interacting sort of interacting with people either you know, communicated thought or sometimes
directly see how you know, what what is this new population like? Are
they violent? Are they reasonable? Rational? Do they have peaceful ideas about
peace and you know, social belonging? And do they complete the circle in
a sense, which is what alien societies apparently think in terms of ah and
do you think that that scenario has happened, then then perhaps that's what happened.
First, they sent to probes before coming physically. Yeah, well that's
that's the question. Here's the thing with alien reportedly alien technology, the ability
to move almost instantaneously over significant distances, you know, not absolutely instantly,
but you know, reportedly sort of folding base itself is the term that people
have used to sort of whole space and folded. The ability to do that
doesn't really make it so that they have to send robots. They could do
a lot of fast travel and just be there and you know, use the
technology while they're there, right, Plus what if you build the robots and
they go crazy and try to attack you. Yeah, some people think that's
from perspective because they have just you know, like, first off, why
would they have a robot, why would they need a robot? If they
could let's see if they could invent But just apend named David did Dare says
he worked. He went to Green Lake Area fifty one. This is the
in the seventies, this is in the power a scientist engineer, and he
was shown reportedly a craft that seemed to respond to his touchy changed colored cloud
bike and then light and sparks and things and would you know sometimes could respond
to his thought. So they could have essentially intelligent craft that wouldn't necessarily be
up moving walking like robots. Their craft could have computational and you know,
some of thinking responsibility just built into the structure itself. That would be the
the probably a more advanced step than a robot. Right, interesting and that
and you know I mentioned of course the the cyborgs taking attacking the type of
thing because the artificial intelligence and all that it means. And interesting enough.
You know Richard Dolan brought that into the to the talk he did and at
move on talking about AI and that being a factor, But I do want
to move You did talk about these different groups. For instance, a gray
is working for larger groups, and I know in your book you talk about
some of these mega organizations like a federation and then smaller organizations and including kind
of independents you call them. Yeah, I'm careful about how you said word
federation because you know, most people it's a Star Wars term and it sounds
like people are mixing up scisfy with whatever. But that according to is a
Pulsar present man named Philip Kropp, who he reported a newspaper reporter. It
was an editor, very consertive guy, taken up for a number of days
as part of what a reported diplomatic opening with the Grays alignment, and they
said the Aliens who took them up were in an older group called they call
themselves Verdants, and you know, much larger population, older. But also
you know, they seem to colonize or take a lot of planets, and
they seem to essentially you know, the Grays reportedly have a planet that essentially
died or was killed and missuse of technology. And these larger populations apparently have
they you know, more advanced technology. But you know, the technology is
let's say, look on this planet, do others have the most advanced technology?
Are they necessarily the most civilized? It's you know, there's a question
that if partly they you know, they internally they think of themselselves most civilized,
but sometimes they can be a little bit more presumptuous and think, take
what we want and we'll we'll do as we feel we should. And that's
you you have to think aliens would do also because some of these larger populations,
well they have they have they would be tasked, for example, with
there's a kind of an energy ecology, the new energy that alien craft.
And this sort of the called is kind of a gravitic energy. It's a
different kind of fluctuation in space time. It's I mean, it's not something
that's totally outside of you. You would or could be partly composed of kind
of a fluctuation of this sort, but it's sort of teased out of the
nucleus. It's like a child, you know, a child symbassat you back
and forth with the waves. You can still water right out. Imagine somebody
just sort of fluctuating waves, waves in just in Adams in your own brain
for example, just moving to the back and forth. That's a gravitic sort
of thing spills out and it has like a like a more instant pull across
great distances. Weird as that may sound, well so a bigger when you
talk about that, Yeah, the reason, well it wouldn't. It's not
like a big force things. As a matter of fact, alien science is
a science of effects. You could communicate over great distances this way, and
and read my book. It'll talk a loud about which is the next point,
because unfortunately we're out of time. The Alien mind and this is alienmindbook.
Dot org is the website you can go there and purchase it. It's
also on Amazon, you know, which covered a lot of stuff in a
short amount of time. The time went really quick. But thank you so
much for being on the show. Thanks VERI on. Yeah, we'll have
to have you on again to talk more. Good Talk to you later.
Okay, buys man, the show is just cruise by. Next week,
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show. He actually is the founder of the Metropolitan State College Denver Cryptoscience Society.
He just graduated with his Aerospace Operations degree and he has along with me,
been investigating the paranormal for a long time. So we'll talk about some
of our exploits and how we get the younger people involved, because he's actually
been the one person who I know who's been successful in this and everybody wants
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