WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:07.440 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:12.839 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for 3 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:17.679 nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close 4 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:22.719 and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:29.719 the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome 6 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:36.640 to Open Minds Radio, your UFO news authority. This is Alejandro Rojas, 7 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.920 and we have hic. I don't know why I always say my name Fenny 8 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.320 at the beginning of the show, but it's fun and we have a fun 9 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:49.159 and interesting show. Today we have George Lebuono, and I hope I'm saying 10 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:54.759 his name correct. That sounds nice Lobono, so hopefully I'm doing that all 11 00:00:54.840 --> 00:01:00.039 right. But he is a journalist and researcher into the underside of the history, 12 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:04.280 and lord knows there's a little bit of that. In nineteen ninety five 13 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:11.840 he began researching aliens and alien related programs. He's recently finished his book titled 14 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:17.799 Alien Mind, The Thought and Behavior of extraterrestrials. You may be thinking, 15 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:26.000 how would he know how extraterrestrials think and behave? And perhaps it is because 16 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.879 he's an et himself. I don't know, we'll have to ask. I 17 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:33.000 don't think that's it. But he's just done a lot of study in this 18 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:37.959 field, talk to a lot of contact these But we'll ask him some more 19 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.400 details on that very question coming up here. So he's going to share all 20 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:49.040 of his findings of his years of work in this field. And I've heard 21 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.560 good things about his book. In fact, I heard from Bob Brown, 22 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.400 who used to run the International UFO Congress and is still you know, an 23 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:01.239 advisor for us helping us out with that. He said that the book is 24 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.159 incredible. It is excellent. I saw him reading it at the mouf On 25 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.360 Symposium and I asked him and he said it was incredible. So that is 26 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:14.400 a good sign from someone who's been in this field for a long time. 27 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:16.879 So I said, I got him, have him on the radio show. 28 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:21.360 Then we got to talk to George there, so we got him on the 29 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.080 show. We'll be talking about that today, something new and interesting. Speaking 30 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.319 of the UFO Congress, of course, that's coming up and this is pretty 31 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:34.000 cool. You can already go to our website or go to ufocongress dot com 32 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:39.000 and register so you can sign up for the full shebang. So you have 33 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:43.960 your registration in, you can go rint your hotel rooms. You can get 34 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.560 all set and ready. And I gotta tell you, I'm gonna let you 35 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.280 in on a little secret. I don't know if you heard the guy that's 36 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.159 on the show before me. I get a little influenced by him. I 37 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.400 feel like talking with him. I gotta tell you, I got a little 38 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:02.800 secret here for you. But the rooms are somewhat limited, so you've got 39 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.280 to get in and get your rooms as soon as possible because the rooms could 40 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.199 be gone and then you're going to be in trouble. You're gonna be wishing 41 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:15.759 you have followed my advice and got in your room. So call in and 42 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:17.199 check that out, or go to the website. That's the easiest thing to 43 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:22.400 do. Of course, that's what I do everything online, So that's really 44 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.360 cool. We've already got that going. Also, speaking of conferences, we 45 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:30.800 actually have on our YouTube site. We're now a YouTube partner, so they 46 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:38.439 have kind of allowed us to do some cooler and better things than most YouTubers 47 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.520 can do, which is we can customize our site and we can put longer 48 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.800 programs up there for rental. So if you've seen some of the DVDs we 49 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:53.759 have on our website, especially the Crash conference ones, and you're curious, 50 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.800 you know what I even like that, I'd like to see it first where 51 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.599 you can go watch it for three dollars on YouTube. You have access to 52 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.159 it for three days and check it out before you decide whether or not you 53 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.520 want to get the DVD, or maybe that's all you wanted to do is 54 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.439 watch it once and so you don't need the whole DVD for that, so 55 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.000 you can go to YouTube and do that. You can go to open Minds 56 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.839 TV at YouTube, or just go to our website and you'll be able to 57 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:24.639 click from it from there too. That's Openminds dot tv of course. So 58 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:28.920 the first one we have up is Michael Schrat and we put up clips too 59 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.360 that you could watch for free, and already the first clip we've put up 60 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:36.160 at has thousands of people watching it real popularly. He just goes through tons 61 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:41.920 and tons of cases from KUFOS, which was a very popular UFO research group, 62 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.519 just case after case after case after case, so lots of and with 63 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.759 his own illustrations that are really cool. And then new time for the radio 64 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:57.279 show only one more time at nine pm, Arizona time here at the KFNX 65 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:01.000 studios in Arizona. Because and I've we've gotten some people excited about this. 66 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:08.839 We're gonna go back to our longer format hour and a half with no commercials, 67 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.000 so hopefully you like that. It'll be a lot of fun. We'll 68 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.920 be able to get some more info. But I'm gonna miss these guys at 69 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.240 Cafinex. They've been really great, i gotta tell you. So, if 70 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:23.040 you're in Arizona you want a radio show, come talk to Cafinex, sir 71 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:29.040 if they're cool guys. Now before we talk to George about the Alien Mind. 72 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.560 Every day, practically every day, we have UFO news headlines on the 73 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:40.560 front page of our website, and we have our news correspondent Jason McClellan here 74 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:46.120 to share us with reading Zolohandro. Hello, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. 75 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.480 This is your Open Minds Newsbrey for Monday, August sixteenth, twenty ten. 76 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:57.800 He's back. Richard Heen, better known as the Balloon Boy's father is 77 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.160 in the news again. He is posted a video on YouTube showing him reviewing 78 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:06.720 NASA images of the Martian surface. Heen highlights certain objects on the planet's surface 79 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.120 and draws conclusions as to what they might be. For example, he points 80 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.319 out objects that resemble body parts like heads, bones, and even a snout. 81 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.560 A snout, Alejandro, do you think there are snouts on Mars? 82 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.800 What do I know? Hopefully I can go there one day and see. 83 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.160 I hope there aren't snouts. Yeah, that's kind of weird. We've got 84 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.360 the hot snouts here. We got there with Javeliero's. Is that what they 85 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:40.720 call the little Boreslajaveolina's Welcome to the Southwest, my friend. Multiple UFOs were 86 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.079 spotted over Saint Paul, Minnesota last week. The bright lights in the night 87 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.959 sky formed a line, then moved around, then formed a line again, 88 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:53.199 then moved around again. Witnesses gathered in the street to watch the unidentified flying 89 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.399 objects, and the local ABC affiliate posted a video of the of the UFOs 90 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.879 in the sky. Did you see the video, Alejandro, I don't know. 91 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.920 In the Twin Cities, there were five lights in the sky and they 92 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.600 sort of lined up and the light in the middle was blinking. Oh, 93 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.680 I did see it, and when I first saw the video, I thought 94 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.480 it was just a very large craft and then they all moved around, yeah 95 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.519 to watch. I thought that video was very interesting and I'm not sure who 96 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:23.399 shot the video, but I think ABC actually did because they were gathered because 97 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.959 they show the crowd in the street and there's like a mob outside, people 98 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:30.600 with children and everything. They're just looking up at the sky watching these strange 99 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.759 lights move around. Yeah. I saw it was reported that it was ABC, 100 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:38.160 but they didn't say that. They didn't have any comments on it, 101 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:42.000 and they didn't really describe what was going on, which is kind of interesting. 102 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.759 I think they were more interested that there was a crowd of people looking 103 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.639 at the sky. Yeah, well it was interesting. Yeah. Brazil announced 104 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:54.680 last week that it will begin reporting UFOs. Military and civilian pilots, as 105 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.560 well as air traffic controllers, will now be required to report any experiences with 106 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:03.560 unidentified flying objects to the Aerospace Defense Command in Brazil, along with any photo 107 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.519 or video proof. The evidence will be cataloged and made available to researchers and 108 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:13.319 anyone else who might be interested. This is really cool and I think this 109 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.319 is in line with a lot of other countries with a push to get this 110 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.680 information out to the public. You know, there's a push in Argentina right 111 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.920 now. We've got a story about that on our website. And it also 112 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:33.120 reminds me of Mario Borgisio in the European Union, pushing to get sort of 113 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.679 an official X files department form and a department to get this information to the 114 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.960 public for research. Some people are arguing that all they're going to do is 115 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.159 collect those sightings and then put them in an archive, and they're not serious 116 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:50.559 about it. However, Aj Govard, who's a researcher out there, he 117 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.159 says he's talked to these generals and he's got these interviews online and stuff, 118 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.360 and a lot of these people really take this serious and they're not just going 119 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.639 to shuffle paperwork or show these things around. They take this steff serious, 120 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.399 even though they're not they don't have a formal investigation group together. Hopefully that'll 121 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.559 happen. Well, that's great. I hope that's how it happens, and 122 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.679 you know, I hope they do make it public so others who do the 123 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:20.679 research can research exactly people like Aj. That'll be great. YEPI. The 124 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:26.320 SETI Institute hosted Setikon over the weekend in California's Silicon Valley. The event featured 125 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.159 talks, panels, and one on one interactions, all dealing with the science 126 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:35.600 and science fiction of extraterrestrial life. Setikon was attended by astronauts, actors, 127 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:41.440 and other science minded professionals. SETI the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence is perhaps best 128 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:45.759 known for their efforts in listening for alien signals from space. At Setikon, 129 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.360 Seth's Shosak, seti's senior astronomer, said that our chances of finding et are 130 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.039 pretty good and proof could come in the next twenty five years. Yeah, 131 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:01.360 he's very positive about them having success. They try different new stuff, But 132 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.320 I don't know, if you if you look at Stanton's Friedman talk about them, 133 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.879 you know, and a lot of scientists who are talking about maybe they're 134 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:15.480 doing things that are not necessarily the best way to do it, and it's 135 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.519 unfortunate that they don't research our arena because and I have a story where I 136 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.639 talked to Shostak about UFOs and he said, well, if there's so many 137 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.720 UFOs, one don't astronomers see them? Well, they have, and there's 138 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.200 a lot of famous stories that way, if he would have done any research 139 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.320 at all. So I put this story up. I still haven't sent it 140 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.039 to him yet. I have to send him my story because I couldn't think 141 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.639 of some of the details and names when I was talking to him. So 142 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.360 I'll send that to him and hopefully he'll read Peter Sturk, doctor Peter Sturrick's 143 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:50.320 books, or Heine's books and these famous astronomers who have seen UFOs. That's 144 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.080 a really cool response article, and I'm glad you put it up. I 145 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.879 hope he does read it too. I do. He's a great guy. 146 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.639 WOULD love to talk to him. He's really a nice and very approachable right 147 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.279 then. Lastly, AOL News published a story today about Elvis Presley and his 148 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.720 obsession with UFOs. Apparently, Elvis had several UFO sightings and his father even 149 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.360 saw UFO the night Elvis was born. The primary source for the story was 150 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:18.000 Michael Luckman, author of the book Alien Rock The Rock and Roll Extraterrestrial Connection. 151 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:20.679 Luckman was a guest on Open Minds Radio in May and he talked about 152 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.919 Elvis as well as well as other musicians and their et encounters. We actually 153 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.080 had him on the show two weeks in a row, right, yeah, 154 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.360 two weeks in a row. It was a real good show too. That's 155 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.000 it for the news. Remember to check out these stories and more at openminds 156 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:37.639 dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Minds News 157 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.440 correspondent, Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed. Thank you, Jason. 158 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:46.960 Speaking of the en more part, some of the other stories we have out 159 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.639 there, we have the one I just talked about the astronomers c UFOs two 160 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:56.000 where I did some surveys and case studies where astronomers checked on other astronomers seeing 161 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:01.480 UFOs. We have one on Argentina, which Jason had mentioned a little bit 162 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.480 of news there. We have one on Leslie Keane's great new book where she 163 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.799 has a lot of officials from around the world, including several generals, talking 164 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:16.960 about UFOs and UFO research. So you have to check out that review and 165 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.159 then go check out her book. But our latest story today is a hot 166 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.840 one as far as I know. This is our scoop where we had found 167 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:30.759 this document. But there's a big aerospace development company. They're one of the 168 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:37.759 main space industry companies in France and they did or actually organizations, they did 169 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:43.360 a study on UFOs where not only do they say yes, UFOs are serious, 170 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.279 it's something to look at, but they even talk about the extraterrestrial hypotheses 171 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:54.240 and how it's a valid one and very possibly the right answer to this mystery. 172 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.960 So it's really cool what Antonio Hunans did because he speaks several different languages, 173 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.120 who works for us. We've had him on the show. He translated 174 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:07.679 that into English, so you can download the pdf from our website read it 175 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:13.159 for yourself and English. 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That's probably a good sign that it's 191 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.080 probably something that's a really good idea. The Laura Ingram Show, week Morning 192 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:39.519 set six on anf You are listening to Open Mindes Radio with Alejandra Rojas on 193 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:46.120 KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. All right, welcome back to Open Minds 194 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.759 Radio. Somebody in the chat mentioned I didn't mention the time that the show 195 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.559 will be going to, and that will be seven pm Arizona time. Right 196 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.399 now, we're Pacific and it's kind of strange because the rest of the world, 197 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.720 the rest of the most of the rest of the country, changes their 198 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.000 time zone and we stay the same. So in a few months, in 199 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.600 November, I think we'll be in a mountain, but right now we're in 200 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:16.240 Pacific, so at seven pm Arizona time, and we'll be on blog Talk 201 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.360 radio as well as usual, so you can check us out there and podcasts 202 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.120 as usual, so you can download us on your iTunes, which many many, 203 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.159 in fact, most of our listeners do, which is great. iPods 204 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:35.080 are awesome. I love my math book and I love my iPhone and I'm 205 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:41.440 not afraid to admit that. Next up on the show, we have George 206 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.120 Leblono talking about his new book, Alien Minds. George, are you there? 207 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.279 Yeah, I'm here. Oh right, great, it's great to have 208 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.960 you on the show. It's always fun when a new and interesting book comes 209 00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:00.519 out. And you have had sort of versions of this book online for quite 210 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.639 some time, right, yeah, it's people got interested in it. So 211 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.600 that's why I asked me to start serializing before we're even done, and it 212 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.120 was already on some radio shows, and of course I just had the paperback 213 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:17.600 out just now. It's called Alien Mind, The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials. 214 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:21.799 It's available on Amazon, and I guess o the sides great. Yeah, 215 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:26.399 it is really I haven't been able to read in depth the whole thing, 216 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.799 but I've been able to read parts and look through it because I want 217 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.960 to get an idea of what's going on here. And you have a lot. 218 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.960 I mean, it's a lot of information, and is it. It's 219 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:42.279 essentially what you feel. The scenario is when people ask what are they doing 220 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:47.759 here and why? It looks like you feel your book answers that question. 221 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.000 Yeah, I mean you think about it's a huge some I mean some people 222 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:55.840 are still thinking aliens, you know. I meanwhile, we've got astronauts, 223 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:00.840 present advisors. If Colonel Philip Course working in the Pentagon says reverse engineering alien 224 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:07.880 technology says, we've got microcomputer, microcircuitry, lasers, you know, optical 225 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:14.160 fibers, all that. Because it was copied from Roswell and presumably other crashes. 226 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.079 So the thing is that it's a huge it would now that's true. 227 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.400 It's a huge subject. I mean, look at this. Just recently, 228 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.240 the Kepler satellite went up and it's looking at one hundred and fifty six thousand 229 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.720 stars about ten thousand and fifteen thousand lights away from not mistaken, and it's 230 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.799 watching for little for planet's about the size of Earth to go right across the 231 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.960 star. Six weeks into the mission, it's it's going to be gone for 232 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.640 at least eighteen months before they think they're done with their data, because they've 233 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.440 got to let a planet go all the way around. You know, each 234 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.119 star, they've already got one hundred and forty candidates possible. These the Earth 235 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.599 size. This is brand new, the same size apparently as Earth, and 236 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.880 some of these may actually be habitable. So you know, it's not the 237 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.720 way it used to be. It's not like people are sitting around just speculating. 238 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:03.240 We have inside sources, we have direct contactees reportedly alleged abducteees that people 239 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.799 who talk about having seen aliens and alien technology down and an injured alien that 240 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.799 ros so that communicated telepathically. So the challenge is what are they doing, 241 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.720 what are they like, and what's really going on. That's one thing I 242 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.240 liked about the book because, like you said, it makes sense that that 243 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.200 there's not just a few civilizations out there. It would make sense there could 244 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:34.079 be a lot and like you have in here these mega populations. Yeah, 245 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.680 yeah, well it's first off, you know, some people don't know how 246 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:42.480 big the universe is. It's there's imagine like a seven with twenty one zeros 247 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:47.240 after it. That's one recent scientific etumer of the number of stars in the 248 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.400 universe. There are billions of galaxies in Milky Way's only one, and there 249 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:55.920 are billions of stars in many of the large larger galaxies. So it's huge, 250 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:57.160 you know, it's just huge. And so that you know if they're 251 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.519 aliens here that have visited here or alien anywhere, and it is starting to 252 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.400 look like there certainly should be aliens because you know, they could have evolved 253 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:08.799 billions of years before we did because member Earth there are time's been around four 254 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:15.160 point five billion years and actually there their little planets. Plants have been seen 255 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.039 in some of those globular clusters or stars above and below the Milky Way central 256 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.240 balls of this big spiral galaxy we live in, and one of those plants 257 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.440 were seen to be about eleven billion years old. So if you think about 258 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.720 that, that means you a lot of little time for big supernoas to blow 259 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.319 up. Shoot some oxygen and for other you know, elements to mix in 260 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:38.599 in some of the planets in the vicinity. You can imagine or see where 261 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.480 some aliens could have evolved billions of years or their planets would simply have been 262 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:48.440 ready for life billions not millions of billions of years before us. Right, 263 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.880 So if that's the case, I mean, you can imagine they we would 264 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:56.400 have moved around in being different places. And you know, if they're aliens 265 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.000 all around, it wouldn't just be one or two. There certainly would be 266 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.759 no one single alien regime. There would be a variety. There would be 267 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.359 different younger populations like us or maybe what some people call the gray aliens, 268 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.119 like they're also relatively younger. Other they meet technically sort of, you know, 269 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:17.799 I guess modified in some ways, if you know what people say, 270 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.960 report the abductees and contact these say. And there would also be larger pops 271 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.160 in each galaxy, larger populations and some medium size and of course, like 272 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:32.920 us, we're an independent, smaller just just barely beginning. Well and like 273 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.279 you said, you said with a grace, relatively older. I mean, 274 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:44.359 who knows what relative could be? Relative could be a million years to the 275 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.440 next neighbor, which is you know, three million years. I mean that 276 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.960 the numbers could be very large. Mm hmm. Yeah. And if the 277 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.400 more the more planets there are, the rarety know that you know, one, 278 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:02.440 not very two planets stars or more is probably going to have planets. 279 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:04.960 And I mean, you know, the most dishonestment on the Ler the Kepler 280 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.759 satellite program, the one I was telling you about looking for little little Earth 281 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.440 size plans going right in front of the stars, giving the life that they 282 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:17.000 can detect it there deestimating one hundred and ten, possibly one hundred and ten 283 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:22.599 million Earth sized planets in this one galaxy alone. So you start thinking about 284 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.240 this, you know, we could possibly find some relatively close to us, 285 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.200 possibly some even you know, less even less involved than we are, still 286 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.720 back in the eighth category, but there might be some that are you know, 287 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:38.000 sit understand pretty much exactly how we are. And we remember that sure 288 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:41.119 it was only about fifty thousand years ago, you know, not too long 289 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:47.119 right time. You know, another factor that I heard Santon Freedman talked about 290 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.119 recently that really kind of hit me this time. And I don't know, 291 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.359 I think I'm sure I've heard him say it before, but that The Drake 292 00:21:52.400 --> 00:22:00.599 equation calculates how long a civilization might exist, but it doesn't factor in people 293 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:07.039 colonizing or leaving the planet that they originated from, which would make sense. 294 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.799 You even have Stephen Hawking in the news recently saying that we need to leave 295 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:17.920 the planet if we're to survive, which makes sense as to something you know, 296 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:23.640 highly evolved technologically civilization could do you know from what you know, if 297 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:27.759 we look at the data we have so far, we have direct people apparently 298 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:32.440 direct contactees we have I mean from Bill Kolsa for example, this is Connell 299 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:37.519 who worked on he sets the program taking technology directly from Roswell, so there's 300 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.839 a whole Pentagon program. And of course I mean he said that the US 301 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.519 government was essentially sort of revolutionized from within because of a news they thought as 302 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:51.319 the security need more advanced being buzzing. In the Roswell case, it was 303 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.480 the only nuclear bomber base. It was from where the you Knowla Gay took 304 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:59.039 off to go off to do what it did, you know, to bomb 305 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:03.680 Erosima. You know, they they were worried thinking, oh, you know, 306 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.359 why are they buzzing our military basis? And they began to think of 307 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.960 it as a security threat, and the point being is that you know, 308 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.240 there's spend a lot of time for people to think about it, so that 309 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.880 the reports from coursal time, their abductees, contactees and their people from different 310 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.839 parts of you know, of different governments all over the planet. So we've 311 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.759 got a lot of data about it, and that's that's where we are now. 312 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.400 We're sort of looking at that data and trying to determine what how do 313 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:32.720 they think? And that's what my book is about. How do they think? 314 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.880 How do they how do they feel think about us? And it's actually 315 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:40.640 my book can attempt to look more from an alien perspective as much as possible 316 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.720 from as than our perspective. Great, yeah, and I want to get, 317 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.000 of course, more into detail about that perspective. After this break. 318 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.000 We got to take a quick break and we'll be right back with George Lobono 319 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:57.680 talking about the alien mind, seeing it from the alien's point of view. 320 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:15.680 Stay tuned, you're listening to Open Minds Radio. This is Open Minds Radio 321 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:22.440 here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Hey, that's 322 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.920 me Open Minds Radio, and you're talking to we're talking to George Lafono. 323 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.200 Hopefully you're going to be talking to him, because you can call in and 324 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.400 do that. Someone in the chat asks and they're like, yes, sweet. 325 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.200 And if you're not in the Phoenix matual area, it's eight one eight 326 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.359 six, six, five three, six eleven hundred. That's total free. 327 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:47.920 Or if you are, that's six oh two two seven seven five three six 328 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.400 nine. Hopefully Dan from in the chat we'll call in with his question. 329 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.240 If not, I'll ask it anyway. But one thing I wanted to get 330 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.680 with you, uh, go to next of course, George, is a 331 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:04.480 lot of the information I know that you use comes from contact ease or abductees 332 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:11.039 to communicated with different beings. But and it does seem like a lot of 333 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.000 as I'm sure you know, a lot of contacts and so forth, kind 334 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.920 of argue about certain points and disagree on some things. Of course they do 335 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:25.839 agree on a lot. How do you kind of deal with that? What 336 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.480 the differences in what people are saying. The way to deal with that is 337 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.599 to pull further back rather look at one population or one dispute about whether the 338 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.839 greater family or the you know, the sort of whether the human looking aliens 339 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.440 and so forth. The best best thing is to keep pulling further back, 340 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.839 looking at more and more groups of aliens, looking at trying to see what 341 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:51.559 they're like in common and what's valid about them what doesn't appear to be valid. 342 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:56.400 Also is to try as best you can to think about using what has 343 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:02.680 a good internal consistency in reports that you who are the who reliable thoughtful sources. 344 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:07.480 Are they basing some much or are they are they well read in science 345 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.400 such such that they would understand the science and be able to sort of probable 346 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.359 or you know, past something that happened to them, and you know, 347 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:18.079 see whether they're being given a kind of a sales job let's say possibly, 348 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.920 you know, like by an alien that might have an agenda of a sort 349 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.680 they might be misinterpreting. So that's look at the larger scale. That's how 350 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.400 you best sorted out now, I know, not being fearful. You talk 351 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.559 about a lot, which makes sense, especially when you're setting something that can 352 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.519 be a bit scarier for people, and for the most part you're you're pretty 353 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:44.440 positive. However, one thing I wanted to question is essentially starting off with 354 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:51.480 you know, what you found out, what is abduction all about well, 355 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.759 that's the big question, and you know the different people. David Jacobs, 356 00:26:55.759 --> 00:27:00.480 a PhD. At Temple University, has a duty saying that it's clearly about 357 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.559 a breeding program, that abductees are taken where but reproductive materials are taken from 358 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.720 them. People are sort of numbed out, kind of new kind of energy 359 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:12.799 technology just sort of it's essentially kind of flowing time or freezing nerve impulses going 360 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:17.440 down part of the spine, and people are essentially floated. It's they're not 361 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.599 just kind of crunched through a wall. It's like folding kind of an energy 362 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.279 wave. You know, everybody, you mean, I believe it, but 363 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.359 you're not made out of solid things. Science termined after nineteen twenty eight that 364 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.039 the energy everything they have is is moving around back and forth, and there 365 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.079 are little waves here and there, sometimes in more than one place at a 366 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.880 time. Nothing is solid, nothing is concrete. People say they moved through 367 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:44.759 the taken up and it looks like abduction is about a study b in some 368 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.960 cases a breeding program to produce what appeared to be according to abductees, and 369 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:53.279 a military was concerned about this too, because the Wildswell aliens, according to 370 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.720 so of course, are looked in the eyes of the military too human, 371 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.279 they were too much like us. They had to have some sort of human 372 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:04.759 components, so breeding hybrids that look like us. The question is what for 373 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.960 why would would they be trying to use them in the society for you know, 374 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:15.000 for certain reasons? What's going on? Do you know? Or well, 375 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.160 I would say you know. On the one hand, well, for 376 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.359 example, if you look at the story of the most commonly known aliens called 377 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.039 the Graves, they're those you know, kind of three and a half wo 378 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.720 for tall aliens, the kind of large sometimes wrap around eyes. They appear, 379 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.319 according to some of abducte accounts, to be you know, working on 380 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.640 certain hybrids, but they're part of a larger alignment of aliens. And some 381 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.559 abductees or some contact these say, you know what they say what the story 382 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.880 is that they're trying to get our genes because they they've been reproducing, non 383 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.119 sexually cloning in order to improve themselves flight. The gene for let's say, 384 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.039 better radiation resistance, are one for a larger brain, and you've got clone 385 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.359 pretty much alike aliens, but they're consistent, you know, they get rid 386 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.319 of certain defects. Problem being they don't have new genes coming into sort of 387 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:04.400 getting the physical rigor that we have, and sometimes there's a genetic diversity. 388 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.519 So they try to tell abduct eesa or essence. They reportedly telling humans, 389 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:11.839 we're wanted to try to improve ourselves because we've been going too long, as 390 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.079 qloned. The problem with that story, though, is that they're part of 391 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:22.039 a much larger alignment of aliens or interaction aaliens reportedly according to some accounts, 392 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.240 from not even from this galaxy. But the point being is they could always 393 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.319 get genes from some of those other Innians, they would not have to borrow 394 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.240 human genes. So that story, you know, but you know, so 395 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.000 the next question is if they're not really they don't really need our genes. 396 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.519 Well, they might want them for science purposes, but what if they would 397 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:42.839 want to expand and have influence in this area and by breeding human looking hybrids, 398 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.400 the more you breed the hybrid, the first version for the half human 399 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.279 half alien like what people say have landed it wi aswell, But if you 400 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.119 go breed that with a human three more times, it looks almost entirely human. 401 00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:00.039 And the fear of according to Robert Sergeant Robert Dean and Colonel Corso and 402 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.880 some others who worked on reportedly deep black programs, was that aliens could be 403 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.079 in the White House, or there could be an alien in some high part 404 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.480 of the society and we wouldn't know it. And what would they be doing. 405 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:17.359 Would they be working towards one particular group's influence or domination here? You 406 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.720 know, you'd want to know what the abduction is really about. Mm hmm. 407 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.319 So you think it could be which you know, of course I've heard 408 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:32.039 hypothesized before. It could be that they're they're using this these hybrids to gain 409 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.480 influence. Possibly, Yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's there's 410 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.960 evidence to suggest that. I mean, there's also evidence that abduction is kind 411 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.079 of part from their perspective. Some of it's just experimental. They could always 412 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.000 say this if you cornered them, you know, say, say aliens are 413 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.680 here and they're abducting, and they're very intelligent, they're very very scientific. 414 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.400 You know, the aliens, by the way, more subdued. They tend 415 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.960 to be a little bit they're not violent, and and since they're telepathic, 416 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:02.240 their their communications are largely kind of electric. I don't say electronically. They 417 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:07.400 have an energy system that kind of amplifies mind frequencies, so they can communicate 418 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:08.960 more than just one to each other, you know, like in a group 419 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:14.240 for example, can they much more when they talk like them? But because 420 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.880 they're like that, you know, they can talk to people and tell what's 421 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.279 going on. But this is kind of it's a science perspective for them. 422 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:23.440 They you know, they might want to just look and well, we've better 423 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:29.559 study these people. And reportedly they've told people or communicated that they want to 424 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.160 help. They want to be ready to have genes for us, if you 425 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.440 know, we thought that we wanted to either work with them, they would 426 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.799 have genes to help improve us. And the even reports of being human looking 427 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.519 aliens. Some people call these the Nordics the quote Pleaudians, even though they 428 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.519 could never have originated in the script of stars called the plotics because they just 429 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:49.839 brand new stars, you know, you know that that's what makes you worry 430 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.720 about that account why they'd call themselves that. But human looking aliens could conceivably 431 00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:01.000 be some of these slightly it lightly modified human versions take from during abductions and 432 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.839 being then being shown to us. You know, here these these gentler Uh, 433 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.240 they're kind of telepathic. They're they're they have this technology and they seem 434 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.759 to in some cases they have cruised response before what they do. Although the 435 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.400 question would be is if they're part of an abducting alignment or do they share 436 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.240 the same agenda, and that's that would be a concern, right, And 437 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.880 then moving a little bit off topic here, just because there's a question in 438 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:30.119 the chat, and of course there's subjects so huge that I want to try 439 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.920 to touch on as many subjects as we can as possible. Someone from the 440 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.880 chat is asking how many different types of aliens do you estimate are out there? 441 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.359 Well, because you know, to say, okay, are out there, 442 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.839 I'll be I'll tell you exactly what I think. I think there are 443 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.200 trillions of populations. Why not here right in our neighborhood. I mean probably 444 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.240 interacting with us. Now that's probably with the person had in mind, how 445 00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.519 many you're interacting with humans? My best best that would be dozens, possibly 446 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.519 even though our hundred, but some would be interacting would just be you know, 447 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.279 if there is an alignment, say like the Grays, they have certain 448 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:14.200 technology and they're affiliated with some older ailings, slightly older apparently it's a larger 449 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.400 grouping reportedly according to almost all the kind of a variety of aliens in it 450 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.839 sair neighboring aliens might not think, well, you can't just dive in there 451 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:24.359 with our a fleet of you know, fifteen craft, because one of them 452 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.240 might be seized and then some of our people get abducted, and next thing, 453 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.720 you know, they're trying to do that to us, you know. 454 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.319 And so the point being is that some of them could be kind of cautious 455 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.640 about how they're kind of interacting here. But since there's so many galaxries and 456 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:44.440 so many planets, I send that there are trillions of different populations. The 457 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.640 point but you have to watch up because some of them could be very large, 458 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.119 hundreds or or even thousands of planets, some of them small one or 459 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.920 two or a few, or even kind of interacting with you know, a 460 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.359 little group of trading with other inns. But one thing is gonna say, 461 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.240 you know, all the evidence that we've seen for everything, I'm not kidding, 462 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.240 every single account of every single alien that I've heard of, except maybe 463 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.239 there's some weird exception, are all equalitarian. See, all their societies have 464 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.039 apparently gotten over the bump that we have, which is where you have like 465 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.280 rich and poor and a poor distribution, a bad distribution of resources, and 466 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.960 of course that lexi ecology, and there's some people want too much and some 467 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.159 people aren't responsible, and corruption swive. Well, aliens apparently learn how to 468 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:28.519 share, and according to the story, well sometimes that can be good. 469 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.519 Sometimes it could be a kind of a little bit repressive and that you know, 470 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.960 it's like the right community of mind and you know, can you think 471 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.920 freely in that kind of situation? Do you have to do what the regime 472 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:43.800 says? Right? I get your point there, So we'll get more into 473 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.199 that when we get back from the break. Actually we have some more questions 474 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.599 calling in collars and chat. So stay tuned. You're listening the open Minds 475 00:34:52.679 --> 00:35:05.239 Radio. Welcome back to open Minds Radio. Here now former official spokesperson for 476 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:09.639 the Mutual UFI Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. 477 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.119 I want to mention before the show is done that our magazine, our latest 478 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.440 magazine, is out. Subscribers should already have it. If not, feel 479 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:23.519 free to contact us at just Contacted, open mindstat tv and others. If 480 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.360 you don't have it, you can go to Open Mind stat TV and get 481 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.599 it, or you can go to your local bookstore, Barnes and Noble, 482 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:36.480 some of those kind of places, Hastings, what's the other big one? 483 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.920 Borders? That's right. I couldn't think of it for a second there, 484 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:44.079 but it's out there. It's about abductions, and we have this very cool 485 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:49.320 cover with little gray fella, just like we're talking about tonight. Now, 486 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.360 before we go further, George, we do have a call in the queue, 487 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.039 so I want to be sure to get to that, and I'm sure 488 00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.920 that this interesting question will spawn further conversation. Danny, are you on the 489 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.280 line. Yeah, I'm here. Thanks for taking my call. Cool. 490 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.920 I think this is the first time you've called in. You've always threatened to 491 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.639 do it, You've been in the chat, and you've never done it, 492 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.960 right, So I finally got the cojones to do it, I guess, 493 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.840 since you guys are not going to be on there for much longer. Yes, 494 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.360 so it's okay. So I actually have two questions and then I'll hang 495 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:25.719 up and like listen off the phone. I've been into, like I guess 496 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.119 upology and UFOs and stuff for a long time. I believe alien abductions are 497 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.239 real and they're happening. However, my wife is a big time skeptic and 498 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.559 things. All of it is just you know, a load of you know 499 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.920 what. And she says, and I kind of agree with her sometimes that 500 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:45.320 researchers and other people may be making a fundamental mistake when we sign human motivation 501 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:52.719 and values to alien cultures and use our human history as a benchmark for what 502 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.960 aliens may do, like colonizing other planets, like Stan Freeman was talking about. 503 00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.880 So I'd like for George to answer that or talk about that. One 504 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.840 other thing is, if there are civilizations out there that are perhaps millions and 505 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.960 billions of years older than us, why would they send actual biological entities here? 506 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:13.800 Why wouldn't they just send robots or some sort of cyber organs or something 507 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.079 here. So those are my questions that I'll hang up and listen. Thanks 508 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.599 for taking my call, Thank you. So I guess we'll tackle the first 509 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:24.119 one before we get to the sending terminators here. But I talking about, 510 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:28.920 you know, from us using a human perspective. Yeah, they call that 511 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:34.960 anthropomorphisms. Everybody makes that mistake, And you know what, even the best 512 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.719 researchers are going to make that mistake. People are a friend or fho, 513 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.599 well there could be something not necessarily friend or fo. They would just maybe 514 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.559 just studying us and they think, well, we are kind of primitive, 515 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.280 we could be dangerous, but you know we're humans are kind of emotional reportedly 516 00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.480 compared to aliens, so yeah, that's even you know. The key is 517 00:37:54.519 --> 00:38:00.639 to be able to step outside of one's skin. Aliens portedly they're their practice 518 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.519 is the essentially almost it's like a remote viewing, not of themselves. It's 519 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.679 because consciousness and the sort of telepathy and they're kind of psychotronics. Is it 520 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.559 kind of expands out. It it goes way out, and that's the weird 521 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.880 thing about it sort of cycles into kind of deeper space right where you're like 522 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.360 in the nucleus or it's sort of jumping out. But the idea is that 523 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.719 they step out there of their skin and they have to think, like, 524 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.320 well, how does community think, cause there's this kind of more a social 525 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.679 identity. In our case, we're sort of thinking, you know, I, 526 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.119 me and mine, and we tend to think of our aims. They're 527 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.440 here, they're trying to take what we want, or maybe maybe they're you 528 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.239 know, trying to eat eat people. There are kinds of weird things people 529 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.800 think, and I, you know, it's the challenge for researchers is to 530 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.719 try to just set our all our conventions aside and essentially, as Buddhists might 531 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:51.199 say, see with beginner's eyes, don't make assumptions, just see see what 532 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.119 you're seeing, and don't guess they do sometimes, just just be open to 533 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:59.159 what you see. Yeah, that's what's always hard with uh, considering motivations. 534 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.440 I think it's and I think the best you can do is follow the 535 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:07.360 data. You know, we we can just gather what we see them doing 536 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.480 or and put things together that way and before we run out of time too. 537 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.800 I want to get to his next question, why wouldn't they send cyborgs 538 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.760 or do you believe they are doing something similar to that? You know, 539 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.199 I don't think when people luctily say, oh, they think the grays report, 540 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.960 I we're just re keep hitting on the graves. They hint the grays 541 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.199 are sort of robotic, and that was an early sort of misconception. They 542 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.199 may have had some sort of you know, microelectronics sort of things implanted in 543 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.679 some spot here there. But you know, ninety nine point whatever percent tissue 544 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:43.199 and well some of the genetically engineered but ins would send robots, probably a 545 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.760 smart alien. But the first thing they would do is they would send a 546 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:47.840 craft in common it would hover. I would if I were an alien, 547 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.760 I would send a craft. I would let it hover for about you know, 548 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.039 three months, keep it sort of invisible, pick up all the sweep 549 00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.320 all the electronic communications go down, study whatever with Michael Craft, study details 550 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.599 different societies. Then you know, communicate back to the alien society, and 551 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.960 if the people, the aliens themselves wanted to come, then they would go. 552 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.840 And that would begin essentially like the contact or the actual direct hands on 553 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.159 study looking at the biology, you know, doing you know, listening, 554 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:21.960 maybe interacting sort of interacting with people either you know, communicated thought or sometimes 555 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.800 directly see how you know, what what is this new population like? Are 556 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.280 they violent? Are they reasonable? Rational? Do they have peaceful ideas about 557 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.599 peace and you know, social belonging? And do they complete the circle in 558 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:38.239 a sense, which is what alien societies apparently think in terms of ah and 559 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:43.119 do you think that that scenario has happened, then then perhaps that's what happened. 560 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.679 First, they sent to probes before coming physically. Yeah, well that's 561 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:50.719 that's the question. Here's the thing with alien reportedly alien technology, the ability 562 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:57.800 to move almost instantaneously over significant distances, you know, not absolutely instantly, 563 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.960 but you know, reportedly sort of folding base itself is the term that people 564 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.199 have used to sort of whole space and folded. The ability to do that 565 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.880 doesn't really make it so that they have to send robots. They could do 566 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.280 a lot of fast travel and just be there and you know, use the 567 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.880 technology while they're there, right, Plus what if you build the robots and 568 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.039 they go crazy and try to attack you. Yeah, some people think that's 569 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.119 from perspective because they have just you know, like, first off, why 570 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.920 would they have a robot, why would they need a robot? If they 571 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.360 could let's see if they could invent But just apend named David did Dare says 572 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.000 he worked. He went to Green Lake Area fifty one. This is the 573 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.480 in the seventies, this is in the power a scientist engineer, and he 574 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:43.320 was shown reportedly a craft that seemed to respond to his touchy changed colored cloud 575 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.800 bike and then light and sparks and things and would you know sometimes could respond 576 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.400 to his thought. So they could have essentially intelligent craft that wouldn't necessarily be 577 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.559 up moving walking like robots. Their craft could have computational and you know, 578 00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:00.679 some of thinking responsibility just built into the structure itself. That would be the 579 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.639 the probably a more advanced step than a robot. Right, interesting and that 580 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.320 and you know I mentioned of course the the cyborgs taking attacking the type of 581 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:14.599 thing because the artificial intelligence and all that it means. And interesting enough. 582 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.119 You know Richard Dolan brought that into the to the talk he did and at 583 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.599 move on talking about AI and that being a factor, But I do want 584 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:28.239 to move You did talk about these different groups. For instance, a gray 585 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.920 is working for larger groups, and I know in your book you talk about 586 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:39.159 some of these mega organizations like a federation and then smaller organizations and including kind 587 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:44.239 of independents you call them. Yeah, I'm careful about how you said word 588 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.679 federation because you know, most people it's a Star Wars term and it sounds 589 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.599 like people are mixing up scisfy with whatever. But that according to is a 590 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.880 Pulsar present man named Philip Kropp, who he reported a newspaper reporter. It 591 00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.960 was an editor, very consertive guy, taken up for a number of days 592 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.199 as part of what a reported diplomatic opening with the Grays alignment, and they 593 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.400 said the Aliens who took them up were in an older group called they call 594 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:13.159 themselves Verdants, and you know, much larger population, older. But also 595 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.039 you know, they seem to colonize or take a lot of planets, and 596 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.840 they seem to essentially you know, the Grays reportedly have a planet that essentially 597 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.480 died or was killed and missuse of technology. And these larger populations apparently have 598 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:28.559 they you know, more advanced technology. But you know, the technology is 599 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.320 let's say, look on this planet, do others have the most advanced technology? 600 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:36.800 Are they necessarily the most civilized? It's you know, there's a question 601 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.400 that if partly they you know, they internally they think of themselselves most civilized, 602 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.360 but sometimes they can be a little bit more presumptuous and think, take 603 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.639 what we want and we'll we'll do as we feel we should. And that's 604 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.239 you you have to think aliens would do also because some of these larger populations, 605 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.800 well they have they have they would be tasked, for example, with 606 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.719 there's a kind of an energy ecology, the new energy that alien craft. 607 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.880 And this sort of the called is kind of a gravitic energy. It's a 608 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.840 different kind of fluctuation in space time. It's I mean, it's not something 609 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.360 that's totally outside of you. You would or could be partly composed of kind 610 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.039 of a fluctuation of this sort, but it's sort of teased out of the 611 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.079 nucleus. It's like a child, you know, a child symbassat you back 612 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.519 and forth with the waves. You can still water right out. Imagine somebody 613 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.320 just sort of fluctuating waves, waves in just in Adams in your own brain 614 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.320 for example, just moving to the back and forth. That's a gravitic sort 615 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.920 of thing spills out and it has like a like a more instant pull across 616 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:38.840 great distances. Weird as that may sound, well so a bigger when you 617 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.519 talk about that, Yeah, the reason, well it wouldn't. It's not 618 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.239 like a big force things. As a matter of fact, alien science is 619 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.920 a science of effects. You could communicate over great distances this way, and 620 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:54.599 and read my book. It'll talk a loud about which is the next point, 621 00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:01.880 because unfortunately we're out of time. The Alien mind and this is alienmindbook. 622 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.840 Dot org is the website you can go there and purchase it. It's 623 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.320 also on Amazon, you know, which covered a lot of stuff in a 624 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.039 short amount of time. The time went really quick. But thank you so 625 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.360 much for being on the show. Thanks VERI on. Yeah, we'll have 626 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.719 to have you on again to talk more. Good Talk to you later. 627 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:28.119 Okay, buys man, the show is just cruise by. Next week, 628 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.559 we have my cousin, Jason Cordova, and he's going to be on the 629 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:37.760 show. He actually is the founder of the Metropolitan State College Denver Cryptoscience Society. 630 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.280 He just graduated with his Aerospace Operations degree and he has along with me, 631 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.440 been investigating the paranormal for a long time. So we'll talk about some 632 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.119 of our exploits and how we get the younger people involved, because he's actually 633 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.199 been the one person who I know who's been successful in this and everybody wants 634 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:59.119 that to happen. So come listen to the show next week, same time, 635 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:06.280 same channel, Open Minds Radio. Thanks for listening. Alien Fauber like 636 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.239 a movies for the folks. Back Hord