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to I on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera.

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Pease Jakinsons got Jason in the house
today fifteen minutes. If you guys

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want to give us a quick call, please do. Jason Feeling begger Man,

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Yes, sir, all right,
yep, good. It's probably the

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heat. Yeah, that was a
big part of the quick went in doubt

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blame the heat. Yeah, of
course, man, you gotta hydrate,

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dude, you gotta hydrate. Yeah, I try. I mean, I

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have my water bottle with me at
all time. You do, I do.

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I can give you that. And
that's a big as water bottle,

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Yeah it is. Can I say
that? You just did? I just

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did. Yeah, that's a big
barter bottle. You got there? Yes,

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trying to say hydrate as much as
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no, it's crazy out there,
crazy out there. Hey, welcome to

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Friday Show. If you guys want
to call in please do five two zero

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four one six seventy forty. Uh. If someone tried to call in yesterday

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didn't get through, um for whatever
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banning the phones and I wasn't so
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yeah it was you know, I
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didn't end a call, so we
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there might have been one. Well, there was one that called right before

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a break. We couldn't answer,
right, I just I think they called

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back. Richard called. Didn't do
Phil? Phil? Richard? Phil called

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in a but Oklahoma or whatever it
was. Yeah, okay, cool for

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you guys. Want to call in
again? Just please do. We've been

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a nice show today. Yeah,
you know, we've got um Ari Wasserman

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a national college football rid mostly covers
recruiting, but it just you know,

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covers all national college football issues with
the Athletic so national publication. And we

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just saw earlier this week that the
Athletics Sorted is going to become the New

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York Times Right sports section. But
uh Ari is an Arizona guy, but

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he works out of Dallas, and
it's covering uh recruiting. He did the

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story that we we talked a lot
about about the jet fish and the and

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the coaching staff making the inroad over
at south Point and it led to getting

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Elijah rushing and um and uh,
Keona will heighten and so kind of how

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that's open the doors and we'll talk
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thoughts on, you know, on
there's stuff that's going on here Arizona.

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Interesting questions that we'll be asking him
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did it's why he came to the
story. Hopefully we'll at least right and

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then at at four fifteen. Jake
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for a couple of weeks and uh, you know, we'll ask him afe.

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You know, we'll pick his brain
on a few things that have been

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been happening. You know, there's
the the hazing stuff going on up in

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Northwestern there's a new uh interim baseball
coach up there because because their head coach

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got fired because he's a bully.
Um and the and the interim coach is

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the u of a guy we can
save a little bit after breaking news.

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Um, but uh, you know, then we're sitting here on Friday and

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we still don't have a TV deal. No, we'll have one point some

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point. Your hair might get a
little greyer mine too, I can't get

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a lot great han, Yeah you
have some darkest spots. Yeah, it's

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gonna happen. I mean, didn't
they say it like end of July.

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Well, everybody thought by by the
twenty first. I packed twelve med today,

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which is next Friday. So they
got another week to beat that deadline.

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But it's not really a deadline.
It's just somebody that said they need

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to have it done by then.
Sure, I know that. On his

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on his podcast, John Wilmer,
our buddy at the Santose Mercury News Pack

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twelve Hotline, he thought it would
be this week. So the week before

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Pack twelve media day, we talked
about where here we are. On Friday

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we talked about this a little about
the uh, I don't know, I

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don't want to. I know it's
not this, but I'll just use it

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a trial balloon with CW right with
acc and how people are kind of uh

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embracing that. Yeah, that's a
possibility. Still probably people here we talked

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about this yesterday, how to pack
twelve. People pooh pooed it. They're

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laughed at it. Yeah, well
not just packed national media laughter. They

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all they're gonna be on the CW. And now, like I said yesterday,

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now the c is gonna be on
the CW and everything. But everybody

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thinks it's cool. When you were
younger, Jay, this is a stump

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question, but I'll ask you to
do it. And it was one thirty

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in the morning, you had had
one or two, you were probably nineteen

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twenty years old, and you were
lonely. Did you ask that one girl

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just to go home one day one
night because you had no other choice.

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This is your CWO, that's the
CW. Yeah, no, no,

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but but in a good way.
I understand what you're saying. You know.

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Look, um, look, if
if, if, if a network

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wants to enter the sports market then
and they they're willing to take you and

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pay you for that, then why
the hell not? Yeah, right now,

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if the CW is the only place
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be, now that's a problem.
But if it's an additional network and now

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that they've entured, you know,
into the market with the ACC and if

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they become part of the PAC twelves
U a TV package, then great,

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that's another place that they're gonna be
on. Yeah, yeah, we'll soon

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see, We'll soon see. I'm
sure it's gonna be able to talk at

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next week's meeting whether they get it
done or not, right right, it's

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gonna be a topic of conversation.
Well, I see. And that's one

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of the things that that that you
know, people are saying, is that

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they if they don't want Pack twelve
media, they to be all about the

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Pack two TV deal. They need
to get you you know, maybe get

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it done early next week, get
all the conversation over with so they can

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focus on football when when the coaches
and players show up in Vegas. Right.

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So that's the thing about it's not
a deadline, it's just a would

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you rather kind of thing? Yeah, And I would think that the PAC

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twelve would rather have the conversation next
Friday be all about all about the football

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and not about the TV deal and
why it has or hasn't happened. Yeah.

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Right. I can't remember if the
PAC twelve sends reporters votes or is

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it the coaches a preseason there's a
media pole, but I don't I don't

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know if the PAC twelve does the
media pole or the coaches do the media

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pole. Yeah, I don't remember. I'll look it up. Yeah,

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because that should be coming out,
Well, that'll come out Friday. But

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uh, I would assume that Utah
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USC probably will be favor you.
I want to think US in Washington two

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biggest things. I would think USC
in Washington would be the famous Washington Yeah.

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Well yeah, well Oregon up there. I never count out Washington or

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no Utah given what they've done in
the last few years, come out of

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nowhere and become this power. Yeah, but you know, you know,

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it's it's hard to it's it's hard
to say. Utah's not sexy, right,

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No, of course they don't have
they don't have the tribe Michael Pennocks

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and Heisman Trophy candidate. They don't
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that return. So it's not sexy
to pick Utah to in the league,

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even though they've won the two years
in row, right, and you've been

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if you hadn't picked him the last
two years, you were wrong, right

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exactly? Yeah, Okay, what
else is going on? Basketball players back?

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Uh? Have we checked into maybe
you could put this for breaking news?

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Uh, the UA guys in Europe
doing the league's with Henry and Crevous

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is right. Yeah, I think
Crevous is still playing and he yea yeah,

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okay, I think he had a
monster game last game out. Yeah.

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I don't think we mentioned that last
time. Um. Okay, so

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they sent the media not in football
basketball, but not not non football.

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Uh. And I'm sure you know. The guy that can't really come on.

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Wish we could have him on is
Um who ran easy deserts Horn before.

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Um. Yeah, now he's packed
twelve. He's doing the media,

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right Caliparipar Yeah, yeah, so
he can't come on because it's Favors one

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school, but I think he's part
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Okay, yeah, so we'll see, we'll see what happens. What else.

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Baseball starts again tonight. Baseball picks
up again tonight. Uh, everybody's

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playing. Um for those of you
who care. The Dodgers are at the

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Mets starting at four o'clock in the
afternoon. Four dead Bill following that Bill's

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cringing rail. Yeah, Bill's yelling
at me. Um, Zach, I

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will I'll throw Bill bone here.
Zach Gallen is the favorite. Who's the

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Diamondbacks ace pitchers, the favorite to
win the Cy Young in the National League.

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He happens to be on my fantasy
baseball team. He haven't messed that

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up. He's been steady all year
long. My three Diamondbacks that I have

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are all really good. Uh can
tell Marte and uh and uh um Christian

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Christian, Christian Christian something or other
Christian, that guy, you know some

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of you'll get a first baseman.
Come on, Steve, come on,

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I don't pitt. I don't even
know, you know. I saw I

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saw graphic today. It was one
of those things on you know, one

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of the memes on Facebook, and
it said my ability something like my ability

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to remember um lyrics from songs in
the fifties, sixties and seventies. It's

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far better than my ability to remember
why I walked into. That happens all

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the time. It hasn't happened to
you yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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luckily. You know, you know
when it starts when you have kids.

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Okay, when your kids and then
you start calling your kids all the

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same name, yeah all together,
you know, Fred, me, Bobby,

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Yeah, yeah. Here the exact
words of that, my ability to

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remember song lyrics from the sixties seventies, and eighties far exceeds my ability to

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remember why I walked into the kitchen. Yeah, that's true, pretty much

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true. You know, I'm sitting
there on the on the couch this morning,

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and you know, I'm looking through, you know, all stuff,

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and I sent my iPad down.
Then I thought, oh, I got

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to do this, and I picked
up my iPad. For the three seconds

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from the time I thought I got
to do this to the time I picked

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up my iPad forgot whatever when I
picked it up for it happens to me

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again to this moment, I don't
remember why. You never realized I never

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figured it out. Eventually, the
other my senses, I think it'll come

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to me. It'll come to me. It eventually comes to me. But

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you know, I don't thinking how
did that happen. I still don't know

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how I picked up my iPad at
that moment and it two and a half

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seconds. Maybe, wow, to
forget why I picked it up? Yeah,

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that's crazy. I know what to
say. Brothers, sister, Yeah,

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I'll bet you your dad your mom
do the same thing. Yeah,

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my dad does. Yeah, like
he walks to forget your name. No,

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he doesn't do that, because my
name is pretty easy to remember.

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But he both places and he forgets, like why he's going to places,

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and then he walks back into his
room. Then he yells at us to

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go do what he was supposed to
do initially because he forgot. So I

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have called my daughters yeah, Adam, I've called them by their brothers first,

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by their brother's name, wow,
my daughter, and vice versa.

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I've called Adam okay, but by
my daughter's names. Yeah, because my

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dad has messed up my two younger
brothers names because their names are Richard and

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James. Yeah, so he's like
all James, Richard, Richard, James.

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I just covered mine, say they
both stay both at the same time.

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That way I get both their attention. Say like my like my mom,

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there were four boys. Yeah,
so you know they should have should

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have to go down the list.
Before she got to me, she was

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looking at Michelle, Yeah, Ricardo, Eduardo you yeah, yeah, she's

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got them all covered. But hey, what, I'm the only one living

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here, mom. The other guys
all moved out. Have you always just

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hoping the others? The other three
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college and stuff. I'm the only
one of those four living here and welcome

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to the sports show here. It
was a sports show at least, So

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looking forward to talking to to Ari
about a lot of different things local.

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Um, see what he's up to. First time talking to Arie. Yeah,

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um, yeah, you know,
I've been wanting to get him on

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for a while because, you know, again, come out a couple of

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weeks of recruiting stuff. You know, he did that. He did that

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article. Um, you know that
came out right around the right before Elijah

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Rushing uh announced, and we made
we made a lot of hay of it,

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you know what a big deal.
And he says in there in the

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article, he says that it's unforgivable
that, you know, Kevin Sumlin's administration

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didn't even try to recruit at South
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in the same year, and even
if he knew he wasn't gonna get him,

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to not even try, it was
unforgivable. I think that was the

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word he used. And and and
it was and it remains and and it's

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it's it's his legacy right now,
right if if he has a legacy,

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the legacy is that he didn't give
one crap about football and at the university

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of Arizona and there, and it
showed him that he didn't even recruit the

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guys who were down the street.
I think, of anything, that's the

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top of the list. The second
it would be the losing streak of when

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he was but I got to twenty
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something like whatever it was, it
was usual. And then there's the seventy

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to seven thing. Yeah, those
three, those three that that will never

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fix. Those three right as you
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three, who's who's the top?
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I just think him, right,
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a crap about the job from the
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all right, four all right?
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think it's the seventy to seven thing. And then I think it's the fact

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that he didn't even recruit the local
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were big time football players coming out
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hardly ever come out of and he
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that's the unforgivable aspect of what he
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he never shows his face and two
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come back. I think people have
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Well, is his kids to know? Was his kid living with him?

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Yeah, but he's in Oklahoma.
No, I think he's playing ball.

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I think so because he was on
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mean the Summlan name, whether you're
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is not a name that you want
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he's spending his money wisely, nothing
against the kid other than his dad.

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All right, let's take a break. All right, Okay, we're gonna

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come back Ari Wasserman from the Athletic. We'll talk about some national recruiting stuff

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Puck Sports fourteen fifty I Steve Rivera, he's Jacome's OUs. Now on the

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phone. We have Alre Washerman from
the Athletic How you doing? Are I'm

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doing a while? Then d having
me up. Great to have you on.

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Talk a little about you a football. As we start to begin,

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I'm hearing about two or three,
oh well two weeks and that maybe on

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your story you did not too long
ago, a very intriguing, very good

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story. You had a lot of
access or what made you come down or

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do the story on UI? Well? I a few years ago when I

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was covering Ohio State, they were
recruiting Bijan Robinson out of stal Point and

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Ohio State was playing Rutgers one week
and my editor and I decided that it

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was pointless to go to that game
because the spread was like forty two points

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or something. It was going to
be a fifty five nothing, you know,

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typical Ohio State Rutgers results. So
we decided, hey, you should

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go to Tucson and visit with Bijan
Robinson to write a profile on him since

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he was Ohio States number one target
at that time. And I grew up

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in Phoenix and Steve I went to
u of A and I graduated No.

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Nine and back when I was a
student reporter there, you know, I

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think you were still working for the
Tucson Citizen, and you know, we

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all looked up to you guys,
and it was a nice little trip home.

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So I went over to stal Point
and I talked to coach Dennis Bennet,

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who was there before, just trying
to get a profile done on Bijon,

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and it kind of turned into a
discussion about the current coaching staff at

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that time, and you know,
the lack of commitments of recruiting that high

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school when they had three power of
five talents on that roster. Another one

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was Lathan Ransom and I think the
other kids name was Bruno Fina who went

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to UCLA and I think was an
U of A legacy, and then I

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were to call him a few years
ago writing about how it was unacceptable for

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the coaching staff at you you of
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recruitments and just you know, admit
defeat by not trying. I think they

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make too much money and there's you
know, too much at stake being the

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head coach and a staff member of
the Power five programs to not try.

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So that's how that started my interest
in that topic. And then as you

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know, Jet Fish got into town. You know, I noticed that they

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got Team AC last year or two
years ago, and that was the highest

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rated player in the history of Arizona
football, you know, recruiting. And

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then now with Elijah, you know, I knew that the U of A

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was going to be in the hunt
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as Bijon, and a completely different
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school. And that's kind of how
the genesis of that story began, and

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in my interest in that, you
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wrote I think three or four years
ago leading up to this point. You

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when you came in to do this
this last story, and you know you

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interviewed Derek Rodgers. Did you have
a sense that it had turned that much

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to the point where the staff was
there, the whole staff was there at

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six o'clock in the morning on the
first day they could be there. Did

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you know it had gone that far
from where it was before. Well,

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I didn't come to Tucson for this
last story, so I just did the

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reporting over the phone, and I
called Eric Rodgers just to kind of get

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an idea of where it was,
because I had an idea that you know,

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I was like, Hey, you
know, Arizona is probably not going

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to get this kid, because five
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Texas, Ohio State, or somewhere
else. And I can't blame Arizona's staff

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for not being able to retain them
if big time programs with NFL drafts laundry

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lists come in and try to take
that kid. But I was going to

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write a column complimenting jet Fishing as
staff about just going after him full bore

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and not taking no for an answer, because I think that's the attitude that

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you need to have. And if
it's not Elijah rushing. It could have

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been you know, another prospect who
inevitably comes through South Point down the line

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that may views it differently. And
when I was on the phone with him,

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you know, that's kind of when
I got an idea that Arizona was

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going to close this thing. And
the column kind of you know, grew

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from there. Of like, not
only did they try and relentlessly recruiting kid

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and sell him the right way,
they actually finished the job, you know,

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four years after Arizona staff previously didn't
bother trying to do the same thing.

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Yeah, well, no, he's
a great stuff. Enjoyed the story.

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Could you go back real quick and
talk about what Benet said about them

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never or hardly recruiting Arizona Arizona recruits
from the guys he had. It was

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to us and we talked about it
to this day. How they dropped the

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ball or didn't care. Yeah,
I can't remember exactly what he said because

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it was a it was an off
the record conversation at the time. It

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was four years ago, but basically
the main tenor of the discussion was we

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have players here, Arizona isn't here
enough, and considering the fact that it's

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a two mile drive from Tucson or
from you of A, and the head

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coach at the time was driving a
course Shine eleven and they have a helicopter

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at their disposal for you know,
getting to campus as quicker and his kid

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was on the team. I find
it excusable that they weren't there. And

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the thing is that Jon might not
have ever gone to you of A.

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It might not have ever happened,
but Arizona just accepted that. And if

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you're the head coach at you have
a making thirteen million dollars over a five

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year period, you have a responsibility
to your fans, to your program,

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into your administration to give it every
single ounce of energy that you have to

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try to close a kid because if
Elijah Rushing grew up in Tampa or Cleveland

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or Sacramento, he wouldn't be at
Arizona right now. But he is now

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because he's from to Sony has a
personal connection there. They did a good

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job of using nil as a as
a way to you know, you know,

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support local and all that stuff,
and they closed the deal. And

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it's crazy what happens with a little
effort, isn't it right? Absolutely so,

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when you in talking to Eric Rodgers
obviously, aside from the fact that

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they were there, what how is
he looking at this relationship now between South

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Point and even some of the other
big high schools here because we talked to

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him about, you know, the
recruitment and Arizona and how you know,

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I mean, what does he think
of this relationship? How did it get

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to where it got to that Elijah
Rushing came to Arizona. Yeah, well,

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you know, I think it's a
it's a from what I understand,

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a very good relationship between coach and
high school coach. And the reason why

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it's so interesting is because in the
age of Twitter, you know, and

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I do a lot of recruiting um
coverage at the athletic Twitter has allowed us

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to bypass or to sidestep head coaches
when trying to communicate with a prospect.

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You don't no longer the days where
you have to call a head coach at

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his office, leave a message and
hope that they gets back to you so

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that he can give you a time
as a kid, you literally can just

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text him and get to his phone
directly. So I think, as a

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as a by product of that,
a lot of coaches in college football at

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every level have kind of circumvented the
process and have gone directly to the source.

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And there are a lot of high
school coaches out there that resent that,

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and rightfully, so this doesn't seem
to be the case here. I

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think they've had their ups, they've
had their downs, they've had their highs

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and lows. But I think that
they have a good working relationship between two

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people who care about the young people
of Tucson, and that is all you

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can really ask for. Are they
going to get every single four or five

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star prospect that comes through South Point, No, they're not going to.

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But as you talk about what the
main ten poles are of being Arizona's head

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coach and what's how pending up in
Arizona State with Kenny Dillingham, you know,

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activate the valley and talking about how
important it is to keep kids home,

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both of these programs have been awful
at it. And if you want

407
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to know why both of these teams
have stunk, it's because not only do

408
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they, you know, struggle on
a national perspective of getting elite level players

409
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like some of the other premier programs
in the PAC twelve have done, they're

410
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generally awful or have been awfulick keeping
the good players in Arizona home in Arizona

411
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is a very quickly growing situation here
for high school talent. It's it's a

412
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very important place. I mean,
I think my colleague or former colleague,

413
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Andy Staples wrote a story about called
Valley of the Quarterbacks and kind of detailed

414
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of all the the elite level NFL
Draft caliber quarterbacks that have come through Phoenix

415
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and none of them went to you
of a none of them went to Arizona

416
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State. So I think that right
now Arizona and Arizona State have two coaches

417
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that seem to understand the importance of
that and are going to do their due

418
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diligence and try really hard to create
connections with coaches like this in order to

419
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put an end to the Texas and
the USC's and you know, Ohio states

420
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from coming into their state and pillaging
all their talent. Well, since you

421
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were here in the late two thousands, before the twenty what was the perception

422
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of football then? We were We
lived it, so we kind of know.

423
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But I want to get your perception
as a student and then now naturally

424
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what you're doing, what's the perception
now? Yeah, Well, when I

425
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was a student. Mike Students was
the head coach, and you know,

426
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it seemed to be a very fun
program. Like my freshman year coincided with

427
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.839
Willie Twoey Thomas freshman year, and
back in the day, you know,

428
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it wasn't the best football team in
the world, but it was good enough

429
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to go to a bowl game and
definitely good enough to upset some top ten

430
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teams at home. And having experienced
Arizona as a student myself, I know

431
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it's a wonderful place to go to
college. You know, I lived that.

432
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That was my experience, and when
I look at it now, or

433
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at least before the jet fish era
began, there's no reason why from a

434
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national perspective, in all the places
that I've been too and all the things

435
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that I've written and covered, that
you have a should have the worst football

436
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.480
program at the PALA five. I
mean, even Washington State, which is

437
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.559
on on Mars was in the College
Football Playoff poll a few times and Mike

438
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.880
Leach was there. You know,
if not a team that I think should

439
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go win the national championship. You
know, I think that's a far cry

440
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from reality right now, but it's
certainly not a joke and shouldn't be a

441
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joke. There's a lot of wonderful
places about it. So my perspective as

442
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a student was, this is a
punchy team with some good players. I

443
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mean, Gronkowski was there at the
time. You know, Mike Adams was

444
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there, like they had They've had
some dudes come through there, you know,

445
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.960
Robert Golden and it's just like,
in the last ten years, how

446
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.200
many players, for the most part, have they had. From a draft

447
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.519
perspective, I mean, I don't
know the numbers off the top of my

448
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.960
head, but college football is very
simple. It's teams with the best players

449
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.480
win the most. And you know
that's the thing that you know you have

450
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a has struggled with. And from
a national perspective, I kind of view

451
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it. It's an afterthought. I
don't write about it, I don't think

452
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.759
about them. And jet Fish has
finally given us a reason to do so.

453
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.079
Well. Let me let me ask
you about this because you know when

454
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Jeed Fish, when they named Jetfish
the head coach, this town lost its

455
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.559
mind because here's a guy who nobody
had ever even heard of. There was

456
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a guy named hum of the same
as the state coach of Brent Brennan,

457
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.519
you know, was somebody that I
think it is his name right, that

458
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.240
everybody thought should have been the guy
because he was a Dick Tomy disciple all

459
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.200
this kind of stuff. And yet
Jed just come in here and said,

460
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I'm gonna forget about all that.
I'm just gonna come in and do the

461
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.640
work. He's raised the profile not
only are the program, but of himself.

462
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.960
How do people see Jed fish out
there and you know, people like

463
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:44.279
you, coaches, whatever, you
his profile and what he's done just to

464
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.400
elevate himself as somebody that they kind
of got to deal with because he's getting

465
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.000
guys. Yeah. Well, my
number one thing when I'm an analyzing college

466
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.920
football isn't oh he's just wins and
losses. You know, I cover recruiting

467
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.559
on a national level as well as
the sport, and I'm very plugged in

468
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.160
and under standing of which head coaches
are recruiting well, because if you can't

469
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.480
recruit well, you can't do anything. And if you're recruiting terribly, like

470
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the last sumbling class I think had
one top one thousand player in it overall,

471
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and I think that's like the worst
thing I've ever seen in my entire

472
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.839
life. In this profession, you
have to not try to get results that

473
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.960
bad. So like now, when
you look at the jet Fish situation,

474
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:29.480
you have a coach who wasn't a
retread higher. He was somebody that you

475
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:36.000
know, seemed hungry to come in
and do the right way. He sells

476
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.559
Tucson for what it is, and
I think that he is somebody who just

477
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:42.880
gets it. And by getting it, that means that the talent profile of

478
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.119
Arizona's rosters increased dramatically in the last
two years. And when that happens,

479
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.359
you win more. And when you
win more, your profiling creases. And

480
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.000
then when you win more, your
profiling creases, you get more good players.

481
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.039
And that's how you build a program. And I think he's done that

482
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.160
now. The thing that I think
that U of A has done, Arizona

483
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.720
State has done it. You know, teams in this in this kind of

484
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:07.519
purgatory that you know are you know, trying to be you know, better

485
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.599
than they are, but kind of
in this like never ending cycle of mediocriy

486
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.880
is they go hire these name brand
coaches that people have heard of but aren't

487
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.880
very good hires. Like I'm sure
people in Tucson didn't freak out in the

488
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.680
negative when Kevin Someone got hired because
he coached Johnny football, and I'm sure

489
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.960
they didn't. They didn't freak out
in Phoenix when they hired HERM Edwards because

490
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.119
he said, you know, uh, you play to win the game.

491
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:36.240
But does that mean that they're actually
qualified to be the job or at the

492
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:37.960
point in their careers where they're going
to be hungry enough to attack it every

493
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.839
day like it's like their life depends
on it. Like I'm a likely tread

494
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.839
hires. I like hires of young, hungry people that want to do the

495
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.680
job the right way. And I
wrote a column about Kenny Dillingham before Arizona

496
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.880
State hired him about how I think
he would be a slam dunk hire and

497
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.680
they went out and didn't you know, And people might not have heard of

498
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.920
Kenny Dillingham either. And I think
that he understands what needs to be done

499
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.680
in temp ME in order to be
better. So my anticipation for both of

500
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.640
these programs is that they're going to
be much better than that's three to five

501
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.680
years, just because they understand there's
a direct correlation between the talents that comes

502
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:13.720
in and the winds that you produce. So maybe that's a question here,

503
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:22.720
what about a guy named coach trying
this way? Yeah, well, you

504
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.240
know that's gonna be that's gonna be
something that these are going to be that

505
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:29.680
tremendous success or an epic failure because
of the hype is just outweighed and check

506
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.400
it out. The rational fuck,
you know, because it's like it's like

507
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.920
I think I saw something that like
that MGM or Caesar because like seven,

508
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.240
eight million or ten million dollars of
future beets for them to win the national

509
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.920
championship this year, I think it's
possible they might be lucky to win four

510
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.960
kind of thought because deon standards isn't
a very good coach or or can't do

511
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.839
it. It's because of the talent
level. And if you go back and

512
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.400
you look at the players that were
on that roster a year ago, and

513
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.319
how long it's going to take to
flip that roster. Maybe shorter now when

514
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.680
you can cut seventy of the eighty
five players that were on the season,

515
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.359
But how much can you actually build
through the portal in a given year in

516
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.119
order to win ten games. It's
a process. It's going to take time.

517
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.119
So my thing with coach crime isn't
you know how good is the Colorado

518
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.880
going to be this year? Or
you know, are they going to be

519
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.480
able to recruit better? Because I'm
sure, I'm sure they are. They'll

520
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.519
get four stars and five stars potentially
that they wouldn't have gotten an elsewhere.

521
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.920
But will he have the temperament and
the ability from a long term build perspective

522
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.199
to continually bring in better players and
actually win at a high level in year

523
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.760
three or four? You know that
the livement that he does that I think

524
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:37.559
that he is canceled the paradigm of
how he coaches is qualified for those jobs.

525
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.599
Really, I think what you're going
to find out is, you know,

526
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.559
being a head coach a symbol is
how many good players you can get.

527
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.320
The Colorado goes out and get a
bunch of really good players, and

528
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.239
they shore up the lines and they
get some depths, and you know,

529
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.239
they convinced them of these players that
would be going to Offer or Florida Zay

530
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.280
or LSU or Bammer or State to
go there. And of course they're going

531
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.199
to be more successful in the pack
twelve because that's how that's how work.

532
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.280
For my cautionary tale with this is
if you're intercipating Colorado being kind of know

533
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.519
this year and in the playoff discussion, you're out of your mind. Maybe

534
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.639
last name can because everyone here is
getting and you know you'd be in a

535
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.800
u a grat there's always fo you
can never live without hope. And everyone

536
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.559
we talked to you, Oh,
they're gonna win six, You're gonna win

537
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:27.400
seven. What are you drinking for
Colorado wherever? Yeah, I mean,

538
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.199
I don't know, you don't you
never know. They've got a good quarterbacks,

539
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:32.639
they've got one of the best receivers
in the in the Pac twelve and

540
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.480
maybe the country. You know,
I'm not an expert in terms of house

541
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.719
and talented their lines are, but
that's certainly gonna matter when they play teams.

542
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:45.679
But if they can get six wins
this year, which would be a

543
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.079
forward I think from where they were
two years ago, or the seven wins

544
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.079
and potentially get into a Bowl game, it's um, you know, I

545
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.000
think that that's possible, you know, and also too like that the Trunker

546
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.719
portal is gonna be a huge thing
for you, of a because you're gonna

547
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.800
have a lot of people who might
not be open to going to Tucson from

548
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.000
out of state at other places at
the beginning, but it seems like a

549
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.199
hell of a place to land for
your second time around, if you want

550
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.559
to go to a place that's fun
and inviting and beautiful and all the things

551
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.079
that you have A has to offer. I can understand why a player who

552
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:20.639
goes to LSU and sits for a
few years and realizes, hey, I

553
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.760
might not be good enough to play
against Alabama and Georgia, but I'm still

554
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.199
a really good player, might want
to go start a corner at U of

555
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.000
A and do his career there.
And I think that there's a lot of

556
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.280
upward potential because now in this day
and age, you can assemble a roster

557
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.239
much differently than the twenty five to
thirty guys you can sign through the high

558
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.000
school range. You know, if
you've learned anything from Dion, you can

559
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:46.320
flip a roster very quickly. So
like, I don't know, I don't

560
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:52.039
even know what they're over under is
for and their win totals this year five

561
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:53.199
and a half, Like, I
think that the over would probably be a

562
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.920
pretty good play, you know,
looking at their schedule and stuff. I

563
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.519
think that it seems like that's rational. I mean, they were pretty tough

564
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.039
out in the Pac twelve and a
lot of games last year. Jay is

565
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.079
logging on as we speak with DraftKings. Hey, a, we really appreciate

566
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:14.800
it. Hey, congratulation, congratulations
on your success the the UA journalism program.

567
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:19.000
She'd be very proud of you.
Yeah, wild cat alumni here.

568
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.199
All right, great, ally,
thanks the whole bunch. Appreciate the time,

569
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.840
and we'll get back with you again
sometime. Thank you. Yeah,

570
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.599
Hey, sorry about that. Hey, well, good to talk to Ari.

571
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.000
But we had some issues and I'm
not sure what happened there, but

572
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.119
we don't we don't want to break
into it because of the commercials. We

573
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.360
might have lost her. Yeah,
well he was, he was on a

574
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.599
roll. He's talking about some good
stuff. I don't think he heard it

575
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.519
on his end, so that's what, right, Yeah, he just kept

576
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.039
going. So yeah, all right, Well, well let's take the break

577
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.119
and let's see those ads play all
over again. But uh, we'll come

578
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.000
back and we'll kick some of that
around if you want. Okay, if

579
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Breaking down all the excess it knows. It's Steve Romera and Jacien Summits.

622
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This is I Am the Ball on
Fox Sports fourteen. Hey, welcome back

623
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.360
to on the Ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifteen. You know about fifteen

624
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.280
minutes if you guys want to give
us a quick call talking about football,

625
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.599
like already was talking about Sorry again, what the hell happened there? And

626
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.679
it wasn't art commercials, right,
And that's just all of a sudden,

627
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:22.679
I was just kind of hoping,
Okay, they're gonna go off, and

628
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.800
so I didn't want to interrupt a
conversation or end the conversation because it was

629
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.719
such a good conversation. Yeah we
would have lost him. Yeah okay,

630
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.000
yeah, sorry about that, but
good conversations. Um really liked to talk

631
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.760
to him. I didn't realize this, and I don't know if it's correct

632
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.320
he said it. I'm sure it
is. That he has recruited in the

633
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.239
final year was one in one thousand
and one out of the top one thousand

634
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.519
play I saw that maybe. I
think it was in his article that I

635
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.840
saw, Steve, that's how bad
if I remember, that's not bad.

636
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.920
Every every guy that that Arizona got
under someone. Over the last couple of

637
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.159
years, they were beating you know, southern Utah Valley, Uh, you

638
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.800
know, northern Arizona, Uh,
New Mexico State. I'm gonna throw that

639
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:12.360
in there, Portland's state. They
were beating you know, uh FCS teams.

640
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.880
They weren't beating Oregon State, and
uh you know, and even BYU

641
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:22.639
or any of those they were,
they were beating FCS teams for guys,

642
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.159
and it was noticeable, Yeah,
very much. Look at the record,

643
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.440
there's your proof. Yeah, there
was. And again, you know,

644
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:34.119
we've seen coaches who don't always get
the best talent but make something out of

645
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.519
the Dictomy comes to mind right away. Larry Smith did that as well.

646
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.639
Pretty much anybody who's coach at Arizona
and had success, they've had to They've

647
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.320
had to do that by getting players
that fit into what they do and then

648
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:52.159
you know, winning as much as
they can. You know, Arizona probably

649
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.719
maybe during with with some of their
good teams, maybe had the best guys

650
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.239
on the field half the time,
right, yea, And but anytime they

651
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:07.360
played USC, UCLA, Oregon,
Washington those four for sure, and then

652
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.840
other times they didn't have the best
players on the field. Yeah, you

653
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.639
know, and in someone's time,
they never had the best players on them.

654
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.719
Well that kind of not kind of
explains that. There's the first game

655
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:22.320
of the year, they faced NAU
right right, and they get their buttbeat

656
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.840
and I can I'll never forget.
No, it was no it was.

657
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.440
It was the third game, third
game already. Yeah, they had remember

658
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.480
they had lost, they had no
when they lost NAU. Yeah, because

659
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:38.039
remember they had they had lost their
opener. Then they got they they had

660
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.400
gone to by You lost it lost, lost in the veggat game. Game

661
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.280
came back in San Diego State kicked
their asses and then they lost to NAU.

662
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.880
No, I no, I can
barely remember that, but I remember

663
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.480
those things. I can't remember how
I went into the kitchen, but I

664
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.360
remember those things. You would pretty
much for burrito or something. Uh no,

665
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.280
no, okay, So but I
do remember Fish how he looked after

666
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.960
that game, said to the stomach. He looked like he had just been

667
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:05.039
just beaten up. But I'm thinking, I'm not sure this is the guy.

668
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.159
But that makes sense because they had
no talent, right they had.

669
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.280
It turned out they it turned out
that any You had the better players.

670
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.519
That can remember remember how much better
we thought their quarterback was than Arizona's quarterback.

671
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.000
Remember, because they started Gunner Gunner
Cruise and then and then they put

672
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.519
um um um will Plummer in there, and neither of those quarterbacks were as

673
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.039
good as the NAU quarterback. Man. Again, I'm not just trying to

674
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.480
disparage those two guys. They were
giving it all they had. But those

675
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.199
are the quarterbacks that that that they
got recruiting, and they weren't they weren't

676
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.079
very good. Yeah makes sense.
It makes sense now, Yeah, it

677
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.960
makes all the sense of the world. And the things that already said about

678
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.199
how you know, look, he
said all the things that we've been saying,

679
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.360
you know, those of us who
were here that it just didn't look

680
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.119
like like Kevin Summlin was given even
an effort. And you know, and

681
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:58.079
when you compound that on top of
the effort that rich Rod was making towards

682
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.960
the end of his administration, man
it piled up and they had they were

683
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:07.519
out of players. Yeah, yeah, totally makes sense now now right years

684
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.079
you know, a couple of years
later, when you realize when Jed Fish

685
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.199
was here, Now you understand when
we realized that he had a pretty good

686
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.840
coaching staff that they could coach and
yet that team went one and eleven,

687
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:23.199
including a loss to NAU, you
realize how bad it god, And now

688
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:29.199
you know, they're getting guys right
right much to his credit, however,

689
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.280
he's getting him a ton of credit. And now the question becomes ken they

690
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.440
coach, you know, can the
coaching continue to improve so that as they're

691
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.519
coaching better guys, they're they're becoming
better coaches right now? We touched about

692
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:43.119
it. We joked about that last
year, remember when they were getting well,

693
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.639
now you've become a better coach,
at least you hope you think you

694
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.039
are. It didn't, It didn't. Didn't. Brandon Carroll specifically say it's

695
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.239
Brandon, you know what's the area
we got better players? Right well?

696
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.639
We asked him that thing. I
asked him, how you know, how

697
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.400
have you guys become better coaches?
We got better players? Yeah? Better?

698
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.039
Yeah? You know, this is
year three now, and it'll be

699
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.760
interesting to see what kind of a
jump they make, not if they make

700
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.440
a jump, just what kind of
a jump. I think we can pretty

701
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:13.599
confidently say they're gonna make some kind
of a jump. Now they could make

702
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.400
a jump and still go five and
seven. Sure, sure, Like I

703
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.639
always say, Jay, and you're
pretty tired of hear be hearing this saying

704
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.920
this um is that they're gonna get
better. But a lot of teams are

705
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.039
too, right, and then and
then again, you look at the schedule,

706
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.880
you don't pick out six wins.
You just think that they're in there

707
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.079
somewhere in the game, somewhere in
there somewhere. But what do we decide

708
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:37.559
to bet on that? Oh?
We did? We I don't bet something,

709
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.400
right, we bet something on the
on the over under five and a

710
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.800
half to six. I don't know. I said they would get to six.

711
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.360
You said they wouldn't. Okay,
let's six. We bet that,

712
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:46.559
I mean, but I don't know
how we bet it could possibly be.

713
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.679
Well, I just took you to
lunch, now, let's do it.

714
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.519
Well, that was paying for the
your your crapass padres from last season.

715
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.280
No, I didn't better. That
isn't what it was. No, No,

716
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.199
No, we have something this year, which is it was probably something

717
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.800
with with football or anyway. Well, you did only lunch, Yeah,

718
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.119
for a long time, not that
I was. I wasn't complaining. I

719
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.519
just knew it was out there.
And then Jason showed up on the right

720
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.039
day and he got lunch too.
But do you think, Jason you like

721
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.719
that stuff very good? You whoffed
that breed that one of the biggest burriedos

722
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:21.880
I've ever seen in my life,
and Jason just took it. Jason just

723
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.719
wrestled it to the mat and took
it down too. No, no,

724
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.960
close to the Rostico. If you
haven't been to Rostico, great tacos over

725
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:31.519
there. I just went light.
I went to a couple of media tacos

726
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.880
and beans and Rice and Jason got
this, got this breed of the size

727
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:40.360
of his forearm, and just whoofed
it down and I touched it maybe twice.

728
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.840
Yeah, you took a couple of
bites and put years away. You

729
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.440
got lunch for the weekend. Go
to the fridge now. Yeah, hey,

730
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.719
well again, we still have to
take your calls. Five two zero

731
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.119
four one six seventy four forty.
We're talking about how just the recruiting has

732
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.800
flipped over for Arizona, not just
that they're getting better players, but that

733
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.800
there's a better image of Arizona out
there. Um, you know among coaches,

734
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.199
among riders like National Riders like Are
Wasserman. Um. You know,

735
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:14.039
I hear the podcast that I listened
to with Dan Wetzel, Pad forty and

736
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.599
Ross Dollondre spending good five minutes talking
about Arizona and getting and getting a better

737
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.760
Elijah Rushing, getting a Keona will
Hide, and the fact that everybody thinks

738
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.639
they're going to get this quarterback or
decommitted out of out of Mississippi. I

739
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.480
mean they did. They weren't talking
about college football in general. They just

740
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.119
brought that up and said, we
got to talk about this. You know,

741
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.880
Jet Fishes turned things around already,
right, No, the good thing

742
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:42.920
is they've they've made their mark or
making their mark unnaturally with the guys who

743
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.199
didn't pay attention before are really paying
attention now now they just kinda win games.

744
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:49.039
I mean that's at the end of
the day. That's what you're measured

745
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.400
by, right exactly. Yeah,
when when some games beat some teams that

746
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.159
you're not supposed to beat, you
know, and don't do whatever, don't

747
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.920
do the don't lose to the bad
one, don't get any of you right

748
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:01.880
up at the third opening game.
In fact, if they play in a

749
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:06.800
close that's not good. They gotta
beat They got to put a forty spot

750
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:08.920
on them. You're like a forty
to seven or something like that. And

751
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:14.159
until they're looking for two years it
was a flute guys get away. Yeah,

752
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.039
because if I recall, like like
one of my stoops teams only beat

753
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:20.400
an au by like two touchdowns or
something, and you thought, yeah,

754
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.559
I remember, something's wrong. Yeah, yeah, twenty seven to eleven or

755
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.840
whatever it was something like that.
But um, you know, they gotta

756
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.760
they gotta be convincing against an Au. Then they go to Mississippi State.

757
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.519
See what happens, right, Yeah, the Mississippi State game. I think

758
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.360
we'll tell us. Yeah, that's
what game two, the second game on

759
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.840
the road. So they'll have September
one, uh, September ten. Okay,

760
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.559
what's Liberty the week? Sevember third
week? The week before the Saturday

761
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:50.679
before September third, okay, sure, yeah, yeah, okay, is

762
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.880
that when the season opens. Yeah, that's the Liberty weekend. Yeah,

763
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.719
Libertary weekend. Okay, Yeah,
there's some games the week before, but

764
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.079
actually it's September second, not third. Third is the Sunday. So in

765
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.960
September second, uh, because the
thirty first, August thirty first, that

766
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.440
thursdays when the games start. There's
some games the week before. Nothing really,

767
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.880
there's like six FBS games the week
before, and then then the schedule

768
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:21.519
gets going on Thursday, the thirty
first. Arizona plays on the second.

769
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.639
So the ninth, which is my
wife's birthday, is the day that they

770
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:29.679
go to Mississippi State. Okay,
so you ought to be uh, if

771
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.360
nothing else, man, it's gonna
be intriguing at least those first three games.

772
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.039
See what happens, because then they
come back here and have um U

773
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.559
tep you know if they I mean, you'd expect they're gonna come out of

774
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.599
that two and one if they can
somehow come out of that three and oz.

775
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.519
Now all bets are off and you've
got three games towards your towards your

776
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.280
over under, and you got to
figure there's at least three games in the

777
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.679
Pac twelve. Yeah, it's gonna
be tough. I know Jake, we're

778
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.280
gonna have We're gonna have Jake on
in the second half. He's the one

779
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:01.760
that's kind of thinking seven or eight
seven maybe well he says seven plus win

780
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.199
the ball game and that gets you
eight wins. But he's he's he's delusional.

781
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.000
You don't call him names. He's
one of my buddies and a sponsor.

782
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.239
I'm better retreating from mister mister Fisher. Better. I just said,

783
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.800
Jake, he called you delusional.
He does like get on him, you

784
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.840
bet. I hope he's not.
He doesn't start listening as long as I

785
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:29.400
don't have to go up against him. Yeah, you know, he'll pretty

786
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:36.639
hard, without question. I've been
in the fetal position before, everybody.

787
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.480
I didn't call you that name,
but I pologized. Okay, cool,

788
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:42.039
let's go, all right, let's
let's hit the road. We're gonna take

789
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.440
our break, uh breaking news coming
here at the top of the hour with

790
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.480
Jason and then Jake Fisher will join
us, and we'll close out the week

791
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.320
taking your calls. In the last
segment five two zero four, one,

792
00:51:52.480 --> 00:52:04.239
six, seventy four forty stick around
looking back on pain night, but below

793
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:09.320
that behead though the