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guys, today on the show,
we have John Hess from filmmaker iq.

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Now. I've been a fan of
John's work for years. Filmmaker iq is

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an amazing website with these remarkable mini
documentaries that he puts up on YouTube,

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and he's just shows you everything from
how to make airpowered blub squibs, to

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the history of the mock buster,
the fundamental elements of film music, who's

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in a movie credits, the science
of deep focus and hyper focal distance,

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I mean, the history of a
Hollywood musical. He goes deep into each

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topic he covers and they are so
entertaining, so well produced, and I

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just love what John has been doing
over the years. He is definitely an

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og in this space of helping filmmakers
follow their dreams and make their movies.

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So I just had an absolute ball
talking to John on the show. I

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can't wait to share this episode with
you, So without any further ado,

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please enjoy my conversation with John Hess. I like to welcome to the show

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the legendary John Hess from Filmmaker IQ. Thank you John for being on the

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show. Butta hi, thank you
for having me. I appreciate it,

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man. I mean, listen,
I've been, like I was telling you

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earlier, I am been a big
fan of Filmmaker IQ and what you do.

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You have a very unique voice and
how you approach the filmmaking process and

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the work that you do with film
Maker IQ than anybody else in our space,

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and I've been an admired from a
distance for quite some times. You

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are I'd like to call you.
There's a few of you guys, but

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like the Ogs, you're one of
the ogs. Uh, one of the

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original gangsters doing this because it started
oh wait right, uh yeah, the

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site started in no way I believe. Yeah, I guess so, and

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I haven't really thought about that,
but it was at the tail end of

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the my space era. So if
you want to put it all off of

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that, oh I oh yeah.
I made a lot of money on spa

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space selling lay independent film I was. It was I was huge on my

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Space. Huge MySpace was I mean
if we were talking like a bunch of

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old old guys sitting around talking about
the old days. Yeah. Yeah.

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My Space was kind of how I
got into the whole discussing film online.

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And it was the through the my
Space film forums. That's really kind of

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how IQ started. It was born
there the longest or behind it, I

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don't know if you want to get
into it, but it basically was we

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wanted. We were kind of kicked
off of my Space. So we were

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both my friend and I Dennis Was. We were both banned from my Space,

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and he said, let's start our
own site because we for the longest

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time we didn't have moderate moderates moderators
on the film forums. And then we've

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been clamoring let's get some moderate because
there's probably people in here spamming constantly.

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Well, my friend Dennis Was would
always post very interesting articles, but he

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would bump the posts up to get
him back the top. He would post

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an article, but he would bump
it up, and that was against the

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rules, you know, the moderates, so they banned him. One of

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the one of the more you know, important assets of the film forums banned

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because he would bump up his old
posts, and that's so he said,

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and I fought for him, and
I got banned as well, and the

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hell with my Space and we went
off to our own site well and and

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arguably that worked out for you,
okay, because not many people talk about

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my space anymore? Is it still? I know it is still on,

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It's still around, right for I
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you know, or some music and
the music scene still kind of uses it.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean it
SoundCloud is probably bigger than that.

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Yeah, I mean it's probably dead. And I think was it who who

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bought a Fox? Fox paid like
a billion for it back in the day.

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Yeah, Tom Anderson had a nice
little pay day because everybody's friend,

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remember Tom, Tom? Tom.
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man, how did you get into
the business. How did you get into

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the too? Loving what you do? Oh? Well, you know,

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it's it's to say you love it, you know, it's it's it's complicated

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to say you love what you do. I mean, I love it so

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much and I'm willing to put up
with all the crap that I preach.

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You know. That's it's not that
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moment. I honestly I'm frustrated half
the time. But I wouldn't do it

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if I wasn't if I was that, if I didn't love it, I'd

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be on something else. So I
started off. I made I made little

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videos, and I grew up.
I was a class of two thousand,

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so I grew up in the late
nineties, and I made little videos for

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my for my high school, we
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TV video production in class. And
I started doing just little projects, advertising

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on the morning announcements because we had
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advertising the academic decathlon team. So
I started making uh spoofs of things.

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I made, like a like a
silent film spoof. I made a Titanic,

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which is really big back then spoof. I made a Mission Impossible spoof,

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which is again another movie franchise from
the late nineties. And I kind

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of like I started fall in love
with the whole process of just making moving

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pictures. It's kind of that's if
you've read if you heard Spielberg talk about

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how he Scott started how when he
was a kid he had had the little

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eight emailimary camera, and he would
shoot two trains running into each other,

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and he learned he could just shoot
it and watch it over and over again.

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That's kind of the same way I
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It's just I liked creating things in
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I kind of fell in love with
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I always wanted to be in business. I've always because my father was international

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engineering, so I was always involved
with some sort of I always love the

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air of business. So I went
to school to be a business major,

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and I found out I still like
business, but I was like, I

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still want to make videos. That's
still what I want to do. So

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about my second year of college,
I said, hey, I'm gonna go

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intern at. I want to see
if I can make the marry the two

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become a business and h and video
maybe maybe like a producer and film.

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So I found a small cable company
that was out in Corona, California,

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and they were doing commercials, like
local local cable commercials. You know,

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it's really bad cal Worthington kind of
style. Sunday Sunday Sunday. Yeah,

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oh yeah. So I interned there
for like a year, like I just

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just did it because and like I
didn't even take class credit because I was

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like, I don't want to do
the paperwork for the credit. I just

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wanted to be there and hang out
and do like little these little movies,

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not movies, little commercials. Did
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mean, I'm going more detail than
I probably need to. But I did

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that for a year, and then
I was laid off by the company and

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the people I worked with were laid
off, and I kind of burned me

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this like this little independent streak.
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worked for the company for twenty five
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depend on this job, and that
the corporate culture comes in and just kind

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of access them, and I'm like, I don't want to I don't want

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to go work for the man.
So I when I started to start doing

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my own business, and that was
about twenty years ago or eighteen years ago,

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seventeen eighteen years ago. And what
was that business? And what was

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that business? Oh, what do
you mean my own business? Video production?

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Okay, so any like any kind
of video production in fact I do,

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That's primarily what I do. I
mean, the film was narrative.

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Filmmaking is something that I want to
aspire too more. But right now I'm

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actually doing a ton of video work
for like I do. I do work

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for cities and corporate corporate corporates that
call me in to do like a like

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a documentary about you know, their
corporate culture or whatever they want to promote.

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So so I ended up still using
that business education of mine, the

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business and marketing, but I make
commercials and stuff like that. So filmmaker,

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right you more was a side kind
of like a side hustle for and

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more of a labor of love for. Yeah, I mean, it's honestly

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the labor of love kind of thing. It's I mean, I'd like to

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kind of push it more towards an
actual productive income generating stream. It's it

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really is still more of a labor
of love. And I don't know,

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it's it's one of those things where
I don't want to I don't want to

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kill it by making it too much
of a job necessarily, although I do

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want to do something too, you
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it to be more of a job. I guess do you want to call

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it that? I mean, I
mean, yes, I'm being very candid,

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honest, all the people breaking their
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back to the show. Well,
you know, there's a lot, there's

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a lot of you know, and
I've been doing this for five years and

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I still I still say that I
have the original filmmaking tutorial on YouTube.

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It was in two thousand and five. I put a behind the scenes of

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my short film that's still up there. So I was one of the first

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to do that, but I never
kept going with it. So a couple

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other guys like film Riot and Ryan
and those guys did it, and Rocket

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Jump and those guys. But a
lot of people think that they have a

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different perception like I because of how
good you do what you do. The

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perception of what you do is like, oh, he's just you know,

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this is this is amazing, and
he's just killing it and he's just rolling

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in it, and it's like and
a lot of people and a lot of

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people think that of me as well, like, oh, he must be

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just killing I'm like, you know
what I make, I make, I

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do okay, I do okay.
But but but I'm not Scrooge mcducking it

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anytime. Yeah, exactly. You
know, I even even I mean,

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I made me even wrong. But
like I think even someone like Martin Scorsese,

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who is all in Prince Purpose is
hugely successful, he still has trouble.

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He still has problems making the movie
that he wants to make half the

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time. You know, he's always
complaining, like I can't get the money

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to do this well, to be
fair, To be fair, Marty's not

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going after two or three hundred thousand
dollars, just going after two hundred million

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to make a movie that doesn't have
a lot of market billets you have that

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you know, you just hit on
exactly how I feel about the situation.

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Yeah, if he would just go
for like a ten million dollars movie,

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you know, get some people he's
never worked with before, he could he

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could get that money in an instant, Yeah, exactly. Like I mean,

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there's there's different like Spike Lee,
Woody Allen and those kind of I

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mean, would he you know,
regardless of his personal life as a filmmaker,

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he did something that I don't think
there is another filmmaker of his generation

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did he made a movie a year
for like thirty years, and he always

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capped his budget because he knew his
art, his films had a specific audience

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that could generate a certain amount of
money, and he would be able to

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attract huge stars to come in and
work scale for him because he was who

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he was and he built that kind
of system up for himself. And I

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don't think. I mean, maybe
Clint is another guy that I would throw

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in that, but that's just a
different that's a different generation, that's a

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whole different in the world. Yeah, but that's what there was, even

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Clint, Like you know he did
that what was that last movie he did

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with the bomber Chard Jewel, Yeah, Richard, I can't. I don't

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think Richard Jewel costs one hundred and
fifty. I don't think that cut.

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No, No, it did cost
one hundred and fifty because Clinton knows,

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like you know, I'm gonna make
a movie about Richard Jewel and it's called

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Richard Jwel, Like the people like
what who else in Hollywood in a studio

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is making Richard Jewel with a shlubby
lead actors Like I can put a slubby

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guy on the front who who no
one's knows who knows nose, like it's

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not a face that people recognize.
So but he's Clint, but he's smart,

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Like there's a there's a there's a
budget range that makes sense for that

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movie. Marty still hasn't figured that
out yet. No, you know,

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that's it's funny that you're articulating like
one, I feel like I was a

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lone voice back when what's the movie
that Martin Irishman did? Finished Irishman,

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Like Irishman costs almost as much as
Spider Man Homecoming, you know, like

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how can you? And it's that's
that should be like if people will will

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that's because we spend too much money
on comic book movies. Well there's a

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bigger audience for the comic book movie, you know, the Spider Man.

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So I don't know that that whole
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marketing. That's business major. You
can feel it, you know, coming

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at you. No exactly, and
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look at someone like Nolan, who
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palette, but his films are for
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Inception, it makes my head hurt, it makes everyone's head hurt, Like

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thinking about the plotting in that film
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but he brings in action, he
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his art form very well, where
Fincher has a little bit of that Scorsese

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vibe to him, which is like, you know, I really I really

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need one hundred and fifty million,
but into like Fincher, we love you,

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man, but we can't. Yeah. No, I love I love

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the fact that we're talking about this
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much of what I see online is
kind of like just give give these guys

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two give marks would say two hundred
million dollars because he deserves it. It's

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like that's not how Yeah, that's
not business. Put your money into it

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first, if you had to put
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so everyone we're talking about here,
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Martin, you know, Marty and
and Nolan and Fincher and all these kind

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of they're just giants there. They
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Mount Hollywood where where where they're the
gods the Olympic, They the Greek gods

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of of Hollywood, And we're just
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not throwing up stones at all,
because I'm huge fans of all of them.

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Marty five hundred million dollars because I
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that. But the reality is,
on a business standpoint, it makes no

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sense. You have to you have
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product. And I know a lot
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not a product. I hate to
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a cost, and there has to
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you want to do art films,
you make that five million dollars or that

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Woody Allen budget range film and do
whatever the hell you want, like whatever

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you want, because you'll make your
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film like that makes sense for a
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then no, Like look, Spielberg
couldn't get Lincoln financed. You know

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it's Steven Spielberg with Daniel de Lewis
as a star, and didn't get financing

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for for Lincoln, if Mark,
if Steve, And then the reason why

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he couldn't get that was because the
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go see a movie about linking and
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the way Spielberg was selling this movie Lincoln,

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he was saying, this is going
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fourteenth Amendment. Right, Someone's in
great marketing at all. That's that's like,

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oh, yeah, that's summer blog. That's a popcorn movie right there,

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right right. So even so someone
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of all time, one of the
most successful filmmakers of all time, couldn't

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get financing for a film. And
it wasn't like he was asking for Marty

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numbers because Marty, you know,
it's Marty. Yeah. He was still

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asking for you know, seventy eighty
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of period peace film. It took
it had to go to India to get

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the money, and they were just
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a movie with Spielberg. They like, here, here's a check. And

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it worked out for him, And
now Netflix is doing the same thing.

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With Marty. I think he's they're
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So, but they're that business model
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in the Netflix ecosystem. Uh huh, it made it made all the sense

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in the world to to spend one
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in the Netflix ecosystem, in their
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sense. It's just not fine.
It's just makes no sense. Would you

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agree, Oh yeah, yeah,
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much. I don't know enough about
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me, the Netflix streaming stuff is
still so speculative. We did there,

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no one knows exactly what the numbers
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raising so much capital to make new
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well, why can't I get a
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well, if you know, if
we could go, we could go

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extremely in debt, because they've just
they've had this kind of don't forget

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they were not a studio. They're
a Silicon valley startup. So they looked

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they brought their entire business model as
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big Airbnb model, all of those
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studio afterwards, but you know,
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from what outside, we look like
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same thing. I think a lot
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they're hurting. I don't know if
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knew it or not, but this
is not We're getting into a little bit

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of tech geek stuff. Since the
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more people are watching Netflix, so
the load on their servers and the technology

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and the cost of that has I
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subscribers to can't to to offset that, so that's just exists. Now they're

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just like, oh man, we've
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Great. Unfortunately our business models not
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a few people to be watching Netflix
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it. And that's that's what happened. So they actually started throttling. I

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don't know if you know that.
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bit because if they drop it five
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in service feeds. So that's that's
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to think about it because yeah,
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is an album, and there's also
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are no more subscribers that they can
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to keep spending Irishman style money for
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Disney's out and I want to actually
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I want to hear. I want
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Disney Plus and the whole COVID situation
and what happened. And you know,

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Disney is already over sixty million as
of this recording subscribers, which had

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gotten less than a year. It's
insane. Now they're doing Mulan, so

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they're skipping theatrical. What do you
think about that whole thirty dollars You've got

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to be a member of Disney Plus
to watch it. And it's an experiment.

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It's literally they're doing a one hundred
and fifty million dollars experiment, which

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is what I was saying when everyone
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oh, Trolls two killed, and
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was the first month of the quarantine. Everybody that there's kids at home,

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nobody knew what to do. Of
course they're going to spend twenty bucks controls

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too, But I want to see
a tent pole. Mulan is a tent

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pole. What do you what do
you what do you think is going to

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happen with? What's your thoughts on
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it's it's when I hate the cliche
be interesting to see because it's like,

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if you can say about everything,
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probably do what this it's hard to
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time right now because we can't go
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is not even an option for them. As far as as far as what

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I think it's an option. It's it's

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an it's an extra experiment, but
I'm not sure you can be repeated next

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year when theaters do eventually open up
again. Can you do that? Can

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you see that same kind of success
if people have the option to go back

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theater and again. I know theater
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are feel It's very weird that every
time I bring up theater like on social

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media or theatrical on social media,
there's a group of people that want to

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see it die. I don't understand
why you noticed that. I have.

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I have noticed that people are like, it's and I've I've i'ven't said it,

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I've said it many times and like
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theatrical experience as we knew it In
January twenty twenty will not return to that

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level probably ever again. We will
never have as many screens like that again,

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because it was all going in a
downward, slow, downward trajectory.

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I mean, theatrical attendance and things. It's just what's happening, and regardless

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if you love it or not.
I think there'll always be a theatrical like

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there's there's Broadway plays. There's always
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gonna be Imax, there's gonna be
an experiment, an experience like that.

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But it's never gonna die. People
still want to go out and do that,

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but the business model is going to
change. So now Disney could just

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go you know what, guys,
We're just going to release this for three

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weeks and then we're going to go
straight to Disney Plus. And if you

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don't like it, we'll just go
straight to Disney Plus because we'll probably make

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enough money to cover that. Well. I mean, I don't know if

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you followed. The courts just have
want to overturn that paramount decrease, so

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which I'm I think, you know, people are you know, jumping overhead.

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How can we do this? I
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long and done because they were made
a point when movies had no movies had

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only radio as a competition because nineteen
forty eight, you know, television was

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fifties. So television came in and
kind of beat the crap out of movies.

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which let's face it, most people

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are probably doing instead of watching movies. So I think the time for a

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business model shift is probably here.
So, like what you're saying, as

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far as Disney, maybe Disney ends
up buying a bunch of theaters where they

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become like Disney dine Egyptian here because
no, no, they copy here.

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Yeah that's Disney. So maybe that
happens in like Saint Louis. Now they

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have a you know, the Disney
El Captain in Saint Luis or wherever Toledo,

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you know, and then that's all
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And I'm not a parent, but
imagine if you're if I was a

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parent, Hey, okay, I
take my kid to the Disney theater once

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in a while. I mean it
might be something that's worth worth pursuing.

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And don't forget there will be a
Disney store inside that Disney theater exactly.

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I mean, and so for them, it's almost a lost leader to get

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you in the door to watch the
movie because they're gonna sell you on other

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side. I mean, it's the
truth and it's the only way. Like

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I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that theaters someone's gonna buy

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AMC before the years out, if
not this year, end of next year

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or sometime in early next year,
someone's gonna buy. Amazon's already circling.

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There's a lot of people with a
lot of cash who can just come in

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and buy it. And all of
a sudden, you have how many screens

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all around the country, so and
there's and there's there's so many regal and

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all these other things. They're hurting
and they're they're they're going to be vulnerable

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for purchase. I agree with you. There's only three major studios that have

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the power to do anything like that, that have the financial power to do

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that, which would be Disney,
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unknowns Facebook, Cash, Google,
Amazon, Apple, they have Apple has

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four hundred billion cash. Yeah,
just cash, No, I mean,

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so that is but that's the key
to this. It's it's this kind of

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creating of this ecosystem. The Disney
has been a I mean that's what Disney

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does. Disney, that's I mean, their theme parks, their cruises,

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their their Disney stores. It's it's
what they do. So there's no doubt

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that there's going to be a Disney
chain. And it just makes all the

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sense in the world. M hm
and and that. And in that world

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where we have the internet streaming,
I don't see that as a bad thing

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because it's not. I don't feel
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these indie movies are getting into those
big chains anyway. So I don't know,

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yeah exactly. I don't think you're
absolutely right. I mean yeah,

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MC, I mean, I mean, I mean, yes, some,

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but not like really indie movies.
The theatrical experience for independent film is almost

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non existent unless you really are at
the top one percent of all independent films,

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whether either you've got a a taste
maker like Sun Dance or South Buy

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or an A twenty four or someone
like that Neon, one of these guys

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that can kind of come in and
elevate, elevate the art house vibe.

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do that and you have to really understand

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how you do marketing and audience building
and all that kind of stuff. But

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for like the standard you know one
hundred. Yeah, an they're also like

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these independent wings and these major studios
that because I mean, if you're if

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you're Fox Adam or whatever, you
know, Searchlight Studios or whatever, where

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you can that that's where you would
see some sort of uh, you know,

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if you're partnering with a large studio
for an independent I mean, I'm

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not I'm kind of speaking out of
my experience there. Yeah, but but

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those kind of things have kind of
fallen off to the wayst side that it's

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not the early nineties anymore, where
everybody like you know, Paramount Vantage and

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Fox, search Light and you know, Focus Film like all of these small

407
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little independent independence where the money's at. So of course they all made their

408
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independent labels. But so do you
think that so do you think the theatrical

409
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.759
experience would you agree that it is
going to be different? Do you think

410
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that it's going to be the Disney
studios? You think, you know,

411
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Imax is going to be a thing. Like how It's mean, I think

412
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it was changing before January twenty and
twenty. I mean I noticed my like,

413
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I'm a big fan of the movie
theater subscription model personally because I just

414
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I like, for twenty bucks,
I can go to movie theaters every weekend.

415
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Count me in and maybe I'll buy
an extra popcorn and the you know,

416
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get the movies will will make a
little more money off of me.

417
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.400
So I was already way on board
with the subscription model, and then my

418
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AMC just recently switched over to all
the you know, the big the big

419
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chairs and the more spaced out stuff. I'm like, yeah, this is

420
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what I would. I'll pay extra
to do this. So I mean,

421
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.119
we're no longer it's not that that
that you know, sardines in a can

422
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.319
kind of situations. We used to
squeeze everybody in the theater, and the

423
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.039
seats where like worse than you know, airline seats, or they were the

424
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same as airline seats. But so
I so I think that in that respect,

425
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.880
But then again it's there's a there's
an old there's a theater that does

426
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the secondhand when not second second run
theater and whatever, yeah, dollar theater,

427
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.480
and they used to always do they
do like Rocky horror every every three

428
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:45.960
or four months, and there's that
there's a little bit of that. I'm

429
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.880
like, I don't want to see
that go away, you know, I

430
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.359
want I want to be throwing popcorn
at the screen and having just a crazy

431
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.240
time on in the theater. So, you know, maybe, but maybe

432
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:02.359
the dollar theaters models still kind of
floats surround as a side. Doesn't mean

433
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.200
you can have more than one,
you know, model out there. So,

434
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:11.119
yeah, it was changing, I
think so. And I think with

435
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.400
with the reason the COVID discussion about
how we have to separate the seats and

436
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.880
all that, it's gonna be quite
different at least for at least for the

437
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.559
rest of this year. For I
think, I think for the foreseeable future,

438
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.960
it's gonna Yeah, I think the
next two or three years this is

439
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:32.519
gonna be not exactly what we're going
through right now, but there'll be different

440
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:34.880
versions of this moving forward. I
think COVID. I don't think it's going

441
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:40.519
to go away in the way.
It's gonna be with us in one way,

442
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:45.160
shape or form. We're not eradicating
it anytime in the year exactly.

443
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.200
So, and there's always the other
the question what's next after COVID. You

444
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.640
know what disease comes next that we
all get. Well, there's there's murder,

445
00:29:52.680 --> 00:30:00.480
hornets, earthquakes. We'll be right
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446
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:08.359
And now back to the show explosions. I mean, there's just so

447
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:14.519
there's I'm sure there's a meteor.
Honest way as we speak, everyone busts

448
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.720
out a Deep Impact and armageddon so
we can figure out how do we deal

449
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.519
with it? Yeah, but there's
it's coming. It's coming. The secrets,

450
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.160
the secrets, oil oil, oil
drillers. That's how we get through.

451
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:30.720
The next train astronauts to drill Let's
train drillers to be astronauts in five

452
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.359
days. Yes, this this makes
all the sense of the world. But

453
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.000
hell, what a hell of a
romp of a film. I love ARMYGD

454
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It's a gilt pleasure. That's I
mean, look, I look, I'll

455
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.160
watch Armageddon before I'll watch Deep Impact
like I watched Deep Impact once. I've

456
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:56.559
seen Armageddon probably ten tomes in my
life. So you know, uh,

457
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.039
what's the what was it? The
every him painting? Did the whole thing

458
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.640
else say him? Oh yeah,
that's that's a really good, good video,

459
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.680
just discussion about it. He gets
so little respect for being kind of

460
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.599
just visually interesting. No, even
though it's even though his storylines might be

461
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:17.680
stupid, but you gotta give it
to him to a shot. I said

462
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:22.000
this, I've said this publicly before
and I'll say it again. There's action

463
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.200
films before Michael Bay, and there's
action films after Michael Bay. And the

464
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.599
same thing happened with Ridley Scott when
Ridley's Tony Scott. When Tony Scott showed

465
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.960
up, there's action films before Tony, there's action shots films after Tony Bay.

466
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.359
Shift the visual medium Michael Bay.
Everybody wanted to look hit their action

467
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:42.759
films to look like Michael Bay.
They just did, and you could see

468
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.759
them. They just they copied the
shots and they never got it right.

469
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.279
And you know, there's there's guys
out there who will remain nameless, directors

470
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:53.839
who really really like we're on top
of trying to exactly do what Michael Bay

471
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.200
did and all this kind of stuff, regardless you love him or hate him,

472
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.799
Like The Rock is still imparting my
favorite Michael Bay some of all time,

473
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:06.079
and it still holds up. Its
probably the best story. But we

474
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.160
love him or hate him, you've
got to respect the visual prowess of what

475
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.920
he's been able to do. I
mean, it's there is nobody in the

476
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.160
history of film that did what he's
done. You know. Do I like

477
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:27.559
all his films? No, But
visually I meant, oh yeah, the

478
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.240
one with them with Ryan Reynolds,
Yeah, that wasn't bad. But you

479
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.359
could tell it's it's you could tell
it's it's Michael, Like the second a

480
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.400
frame shows up, Oh yeah,
that's I mean, there's a lot of

481
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.279
stupid stuff that you're looking at it
like like, whoa, I never thought

482
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.440
you would do that in a frame. It's like, there's so much clever

483
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.480
visual stuff that's going on. It's
yeah, sure it's wrapped in some some

484
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.839
kind of silliness from in my taste, but like I can appreciate the fact

485
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.759
that there's there's there's just so sit
set pieces that are like this is very

486
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.319
creative, this is very ingenious.
So yeah, I end up really liking

487
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.599
that. In that movie, yeah, I can't remember the name of it.

488
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.720
I was like six something six or
something like that. That something six.

489
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.119
I was like the six ghosts,
ghost guys out there doing what they

490
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:14.920
do. But go rou back to
theaters real quick. I mean, I've

491
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:20.640
always said that theaters have had a
combative relationship with their customer base for a

492
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.640
long I mean it's, first of
all, the experience used to suck.

493
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.519
So it was this, It was
sardine, sticky floors, stale popcorn.

494
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.480
And then they charge you inside forty
five dollars for a coke, seventy five

495
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:40.000
dollars for a popcorn. Like it's
like it's almost like it's almost like airport

496
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.759
costs. So and they never really
cared a lot. But then slowly but

497
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.440
surely, as their number started to
go down, they're like, oh,

498
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.759
wait a minute, we've got to
create a better experience because we're not the

499
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.680
only show in town anymore. And
that's when these seats started showing up and

500
00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:00.480
bars like like the MC here in
Burbank has like a bar and side of

501
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.519
it, and it's like, you
know, special seatings, and the sound

502
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.000
got better. But it's like,
you know, for a certain generation,

503
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.400
we all remember, and they're still
abusive. I still think they're abusive and

504
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:15.159
pricing. It's so abusive and come
on, give me a break. Yeah,

505
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.199
so they're still well, I was
gonna say that the other day,

506
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:20.400
I was thinking about this and I
didn't forgot to mention it. But yeah,

507
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.440
if you if if this Disney owned, I mean, Disney's not gonna

508
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.559
Disney's not gonna lower the price,
I think, oh no, but they're

509
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.119
experienced. Look when you walk into
Disneyland or Disney World, oh yeah,

510
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.280
you just my wife and I every
time we drive into the parking lot to

511
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.719
one of those places, we just
go let the beating begin, because you

512
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:45.079
are you're just being charged like twenty
five dollars a park and you're boomboo like

513
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.559
and you're just and you're in there. But the experience they are offering you

514
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.239
a very high quality experience for the
most part. So that's what you get.

515
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:59.159
But you don't get that with a
standard movie theater. Like have you

516
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.039
ever been to the copy Tone?
No? I haven't. I need to

517
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.519
go. So when I went to
when I went to Elkapitan, I saw

518
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.960
Frozen there with my daughters, and
they had like the Princess came out and

519
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.280
did like the pre show, and
and there's this stuff. It was like,

520
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.239
you know, it's Disney everything,
and next door there's a Disney store,

521
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.119
and it's like this whole experience and
the price. Honestly, wasn't much

522
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.639
different than a normal movie theater.
So I was like, okay, this

523
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.199
is this makes sense, this makes
sense. Well, I think I think

524
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.719
the point I was trying to make
was that I think if if let's say,

525
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.800
let's not pick these, let's play
like Amazon or something owns a studio

526
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.519
or owns a theater, you might
conceivably see a lowering of the costs of

527
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:44.000
like concessions, because traditionally the argument
was that concessions is where the movie theater

528
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.559
makes money. Well, if the
movie theater is owned by the studio,

529
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:52.840
then they're also making on the on
the ticket price. Conceivably they can lower

530
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.360
the you know, popcorn being seven
dollars very small, Maybe it's five dollars

531
00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:00.320
very small because' and that's still abusive, and that's still abusive. But sure,

532
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.599
but it's three is two three dollars
last Yeah, sure, yeah,

533
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.920
agreed. So there might be that
might be a benefit that comes out of

534
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.840
it. I don't know. Well, it's a different business model. I

535
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.199
mean, since you're a business major. So if you look at the business

536
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.199
models of theaters, it's they get
you know, fifty percent or you know,

537
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.559
forty percent or thirty percent depending on
the big how big the movie is

538
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.000
in the week it's coming out,
So you get a small percentage of the

539
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.079
box office. All their money is
made at concessions, but if the studio

540
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.519
owns the space, then they get
one hundred percent of royal of the sales

541
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.400
of the box office, and they
get a little bit off of royalties off

542
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.000
of the concessions. But where they
start making their money is off of ancillary

543
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:45.639
products. And so if there's a
Warner Brothers style theater chain, then there'd

544
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.800
be all sorts of Warner Brothers and
you could buy the poster of the movie,

545
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.800
you could buy all the merch for
that movie that week, and it's

546
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.519
it's rotating in and out every week. And it makes sense. That's a

547
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.039
different business model than what we have
currently, and it's gonna change. It's

548
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.599
just no I mean arc Light.
You've been to arc Lights, I'm assuming

549
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.320
yeah. Yeah. So they have
that little store on the side that has

550
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.199
like, you know, the movie
memorabilia stuff and sometimes they would bring out

551
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.639
stuff, but it's kind of like
almost not throw away, but it's not

552
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:22.280
themed out like a Warner Brothers or
a Disney or even an Amazon theater would

553
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.960
have. Because and with Amazon's data
on people's buying habits. They know what

554
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.800
products are going to be out there, and they're gonna have you just walk

555
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.920
in with your app, pick up
the thing, and walk out, and

556
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.119
they charge your Amazon account. I
mean that's oh boy. Well, they

557
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.679
have those stores that they convenient.
They have those stores now. They have

558
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:44.360
the bookstore now like that the Amazon
bookstore that you walk in. Not to

559
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:45.719
get sidetracked too much, but I'll
just tell you a story about yesterday.

560
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.880
I was returning something from Amazon and
I found out that Amazon has this Coals

561
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.880
thing where you go into Coals and
you just drop off your product. And

562
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.039
I did that, and then the
Coals said thanks for dropping off, here's

563
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.400
a twenty five percent coupon for Coals
and also impress, I actually bought something.

564
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.519
I was like, I need some
sandals, and I just bought them.

565
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.519
And I was like, this is
this is such a brilliant idea because

566
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.039
it's a great service for me because
I don't have to package, you don't

567
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.639
have to take it to ups I
have to worry about that. And gets

568
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.679
me in their store and I got
I got what I wanted. I needed

569
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.880
some sandals, so I finally got
my sandals, and I got a coupon

570
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.679
for it. So for coals,
and it's yeah, for coals, it's

571
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.199
a little bit, you know,
a little bit more hassles and staff one

572
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:29.840
person staff to deal with it,
and more foot traffic. And Amazon was

573
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.719
like, we need more, we
need real estate, So we'll give you

574
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.440
traffic. You give us the real
estate. It's a deal. It is,

575
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:43.119
it's it is fairly fairly brilliant.
Now let's talk a little bit about

576
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:49.119
production film production. Yeah, what
do you think it's gonna look like?

577
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.440
I mean, you're shooting now,
Like, how how is it working?

578
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.079
You know, shooting with you know
this COVID stuff. I mean for one

579
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.960
man crew are short, like two
man crew is one thing, but like

580
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.400
for narrative TV show, like,
I don't know how you move forward right

581
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.559
right now? At least I really
I agree with you. I mean I

582
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.119
do one man too man things operations
I do, and I work with corporate

583
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.760
clients of including school districts, and
it just it's a lot. I mean,

584
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:20.159
I don't want to get I don't
want to sound too too dangerously political,

585
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.000
I guess, but it's it's a
lot about optics. It's about appearing

586
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.880
to look like you're doing. I
mean, you get to wear the masks,

587
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.559
you stay here, do your social
distancing, you to apply uh,

588
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.039
you know, apply the hand sanitizers
and all that. But it really just

589
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.119
comes down to we just have to
look like we're doing our jobs. And

590
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.639
unfortunately, with with with when you
get to larger narratives, when you have

591
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.679
lots of groups of you know,
hair, makeup and sets and all that,

592
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.760
and just thirty forty people crews,
we'll be right back after a word

593
00:39:53.840 --> 00:40:02.719
from our sponsor and now back to
the show. It's hard to maintain those

594
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.480
optics. I mean you can.
There's there's a whole movement about, you

595
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.719
know, getting so many people trained
in you know, health and safety and

596
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.760
having that one person on set,
And look, is that really gonna make

597
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:16.400
that much a difference? Is that
you're just kind of it's just a cya

598
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.480
maneuver. I don't know, you
know, I don't, I don't.

599
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.039
I don't see us really getting into
like traditional and it's like, guess was

600
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.719
look, I don't know if you've
you've probably been affected. But I think

601
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.880
I feel like a lot of the
society in general husband had like overhanging depression.

602
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.880
All this Yeah, you know,
it was like like Obama, like

603
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:42.400
Michelle Obama came out and she says
she has low grade depression, and I

604
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.360
think it was said everyone, and
I think what seth Meyer said, like

605
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.840
when you go low, I go
high. I have high grade depression.

606
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.320
And it's it's very it's very true. Another there is. I mean,

607
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.960
I don't know why I do this, but I watched the news every day

608
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.119
and I just watched thirty minutes of
it. It's just I know it's I

609
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.199
watched Network News and I just watch
it just to just to find out what's

610
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.360
going on, just just to stay
in form, because we've got kind of

611
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:09.840
got kind of gotta know what's going
on. I mean, because I never

612
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.639
was a person who watched the news
like I just I'm like, you know

613
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.960
what, if it's big enough,
I'll hear about it, I'll find it

614
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.239
on my Facebook feed or someone will
tell me about it. And now it's

615
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.119
just like things are changing so rapidly
and craziness is happening on a daily basis

616
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.119
that you kind of have to stay
for. And you know, I sit

617
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:30.719
there with with my wife, I
just turned I'm like why why, why,

618
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.239
why why are we doing this?
I don't under you know, we're

619
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.239
we're praying for that last segment,
which is like how a puppy saved someone

620
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.000
with COVID Like it's it's it's like, that's we're praying for that one happy

621
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:50.280
moment at the end of the broadcast. Yeah, that's well, it's it's

622
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.400
the sort of pressing is I think, you know, I'm trying to if

623
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.039
I try to put together like a
small production and I'm not I'm not throwing

624
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.960
lots of money at it. I'm
just gonna, you know, put together

625
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.119
a little short film or something.
I can't really foreseeably do that in the

626
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:05.639
next, you know, a few
months, just because if I wanted to

627
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.559
cast it, it would be difficult
because there's gonna be half of your cast

628
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.840
is probably na. Well, I'm
not gonna or not even interested in working

629
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.800
in something right now. They don't
want to be in anything, you know,

630
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:15.960
and I'm not going to be paying
them a huge amounts of money.

631
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:20.119
This is more of like a for
fun project. How can you It's hard

632
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.480
to justify it, and it's hard
to even even look like you're doing I

633
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.480
don't know, watching and watching old
movies and thinking like huh, I wish

634
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.239
we could hug people like that.
It's a movie because you can't do any

635
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.440
of that stuff. So I don't
know what's going to happen. Love scenes.

636
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.119
How can you do a love scene? No? How can you do

637
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.719
a fight like a like a like
a like a fight fight close? No,

638
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.440
you can't do it. I mean
it's I know. I mean someone

639
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.760
like Tyler Perry, who has an
infrastructure that makes all the sense in the

640
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.519
world. He's popping out content like
crazy, and he was. He's a

641
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.639
guy who creates content like he creates
like like fifty episodes of a show in

642
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.639
like four weeks or something like that, Like it flows them amazing. He

643
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.280
just pumps it out. But he
has a unique person because he has an

644
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.159
entire movie studio at his disposal,
which he can quarantine, lock it down,

645
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.440
and everyone's in a bubble for the
time and you could shoot that makes

646
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.920
sense, But no, we're not
set up for that. Like that's never

647
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.880
been a thing. And that's in
the studio world, let alone in the

648
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.320
indie world. I actually did a
whole episode about COVID safety because I went

649
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.360
for a bike ride and I saw, of course, independent filmmakers on the

650
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.320
side of the road in my neighborhood
shooting a short or some scenes that were

651
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.440
COVID related because the guys were dressed
up in like, you know, has

652
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:45.280
Matt suits and stuff, and I'm
just and they nobody was when they had

653
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.519
the has mat suit off but the
head was off. They were all clunk

654
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.719
together in a small group talking,
the actors were all talking, and then

655
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.840
the director in DP were setting something
up over there and that nobody had masks

656
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:59.800
on, and I'm like this,
this is so irresponsible, Like you can't.

657
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.400
You can't do it, Like I
couldn't as a film director put my

658
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:12.679
cast or crew in harm's way right
now with for a film, like it's

659
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.519
not worth it right now. It
just doesn't make any sense to do something

660
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.000
like that. I can't good conscience
send it further to I mean, look,

661
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.960
I may not if someone and I'm
not saying I disagree, but I'm

662
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.559
saying, if you, even if
you think it's not an issue, you

663
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:32.480
can't get other people to do it, you know what I mean. It's

664
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.280
it's like, so you're you're just
unless you find like a bunch of people

665
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.000
that all agree that, oh we're
going to take the risk. But that's

666
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:45.039
not fun. That's not the point
of making films, right, So it's

667
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:50.199
I, yeah, we're all independent
film. Independent film is going to have

668
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.639
a rough time for the next few
years, and people are gonna have to

669
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.039
get very creative. You know,
they're gonna if they are going to do

670
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.840
something, it's gonna be you know, kind of like what I did with

671
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:00.840
my last film, which was well
last one I couldn't do now is because

672
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.159
going to Sundance and shooting at Sundance, which is something I can't do right

673
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.599
now. But it was a small
crew. It was a three three man

674
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.039
crew was me, the DP and
the sound guy and then my actors and

675
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.480
that was it, and I was
running around. So you have to you

676
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.880
have to start getting creative and in
the storytelling process on how to do it.

677
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.719
Like I've been hearing from the studios
and people in the studios that they're

678
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:28.079
saying when you're writing, no crowds, don't put this in, don't put

679
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.000
that in anymore, no more love
scenes. You don't like, figure out

680
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.960
another way to do it if we
if we're going to continue to so I

681
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.719
think there's gonna be a COVID era
in filmmaking where after we're done with everything

682
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.199
that's in the can. We're gonna
start seeing films and television shows that are

683
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.480
going to be just like, oh
that was in the COVID era. Yeah,

684
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.159
and it's gonna be like they can't
kiss, they can't touch, It's

685
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.280
like this whole weird thing. But
I think that's what's gonna happen. And

686
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.440
an independent film, I think,
you know, I'm waiting for the next

687
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:05.519
great COVID era independent film, like
the El Mariachi of this era. I

688
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.280
don't know what that will be.
You know, that's gonna like take the

689
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:14.400
world by storm, like the paranormal
like paranormal activity, perfect COVID movie,

690
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.559
like perfect COVID movie. Like you
that's a problem, no, no,

691
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.920
no. But if they they've quarantined
together, they're fine. Okay, so

692
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:27.559
again, but this small crew,
very small amount. You know, if

693
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.280
you quarantine with somebody for two weeks
and everyone's all, we're all good,

694
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.119
all right, great, let's let's
go and we're all in a house and

695
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.800
it's very controlled. And that's the
kind of films I think we're going to

696
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.280
be seeing coming out. Yeah.
I I mean I always think about,

697
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.639
like what what will future generations look
back and ask us, you know,

698
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.239
like, oh you lived through that, are was alike, It's it's gonna

699
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:52.840
be an interesting story to tell the
grandkids. No, So I want to

700
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.800
go back real quick to Filmmakerrek you
man, because I just I love what

701
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.320
you do with filmmaker you You've You've
created some amazing I've mooted your stuff over

702
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.079
the years, as far as those
little mini documentaries you make over like you

703
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.000
know a lens that the field of
the one eight rule, like and then

704
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.360
all you know, all this color
and the twenty eight frames and twenty four

705
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.519
frames a second, all this kind
of stuff. How why do you do

706
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.800
it? Because it's a lot of
work, dude. It's like I can

707
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.599
see, it's a ton You've got
the little three D image that the three

708
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.320
D guys coming out setting all that, I mean to create a fifteen minute

709
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.840
video must take you forever. Well, the last video I did, started

710
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.639
at the beginning of the COVID thing, was that Fox video, The History

711
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:38.519
of William Fox, and ended being
like forty three minutes long, and it

712
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.599
was a ton of research, just
trying to go well, I mean,

713
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.320
why do I why why did?
I mean? I think it's all it's

714
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.719
it's a it's a self expression kind
of thing. I really enjoy. I

715
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.800
just really enjoy exploring the truth of
a topic like that and kind of going

716
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.280
in depth into it because I don't. I feel like no one else is

717
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.920
really kind of tackling it the way
that I do, which is just unrelenting

718
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:09.719
depths, just obscene, obscene depth
of fifteen minutes on unfocused like or on

719
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.440
depth of field. I think fifteen
minutes of that, and like it was

720
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.840
like, but it's so entertaining,
and like you go into the history of

721
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.320
it and it's like the lenses and
the breakdowns. That's great, and of

722
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.599
which I will get plenty of YouTube
comments that will argue with me and tell

723
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.639
me I'm completely wrong because I have
not done the research. Just like yeah,

724
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.599
but uh now you know it's also
born I think I have. I

725
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.360
have an Internet form personality where I
do like to go on on I unfortunately

726
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.119
read all the comments and I engage
and don't do that. Don't do that.

727
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:45.360
Yeah, I mean, it's it's
a habit. It's part of who

728
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.679
who I am. A lot of
stuff drives sometimes the ideas for new content

729
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.199
was based on all that person made
a mistake about that. So I want

730
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.639
to talk about that particular point,
you know, but it's it's it's kind

731
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:59.519
of in that in that range.
That's that's, you know, I want

732
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:00.800
to get to the point where I
don't work, can no longer read comments

733
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.480
because there's too many of them.
That's that's that's my goal. But until

734
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.039
then, I'm just I'm stuck arguing
about twenty four frames a second every day.

735
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.280
Yeah, I mean, I mean, and the depth that you do

736
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.199
in these videos is pretty insane,
and the research that goes into them is

737
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.599
insane. The production of them.
And again, you've been doing this for

738
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.679
years now, over a decade,
you know, you've been you've been doing

739
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.639
because some of these some of those
little documentaries, the ones with the little

740
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.000
the little Dude, I call them
the little Dudes. I don't know if

741
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.519
you haven't specifics, Yeah, the
little three d dudes. They go back

742
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.639
sevent eight years. Yeah, that
about eight years. That's when they start

743
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.239
doing the videos. Because we were
when we first started, filmmaker Que was

744
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:42.320
more of an aggregator site, a
blog site, and we do, like

745
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.440
what all the other bloggers do is
just go out and try to find articles

746
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.880
and post them together and Just the
funny thing is, if you do that

747
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.280
long enough, you kind of get
a very good sense of what the blog

748
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.840
is sphere looks like, and you
get kind of discussed by like I've seen

749
00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:00.400
the same thing over again. We'll
be right back after a wor from our

750
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:07.840
sponsor and now back to the show. So decide at that point, like

751
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.280
I should start making our own stuff
instead of relying on to other people to

752
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.639
make stuff. So that's when the
videos started happenings. And the first one

753
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:20.039
was like Dolly Zoom when I first
explored that topic. But yeah, but

754
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.320
I think I think what it is
is I've talked to some people about this,

755
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:30.119
but I feel like filmmakers have like
all like eighty percent of filmmakers have

756
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.360
an expiration date of like say,
I wouldn't say like three or four years.

757
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.679
It's like, I think three or
four years it takes to learn everything

758
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.159
about filmmaking and it's still that fun
like exciting, Oh I could learn about

759
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.639
this camera, this new camera's coming
out. So about three or four years

760
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.280
you absorb all this information and then
after that you either if you love it,

761
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.199
you continue on you and you pursue
like story and you pursue the creation

762
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:57.559
of actual and you just said a
product. You know, you get over

763
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.440
the oh this is exciting word learning
thing, and then the other segment of

764
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:06.599
the population just loses interest and they
disappear. So I feel like a lot

765
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.239
of what the growth and the Internet
is capturing that first like three or four

766
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.920
years of people that are just starting
to learn this stuff. And Uh,

767
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:21.440
what's scary about that is there's so
much marketing. There's so much like the

768
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:27.360
manufacturers are shoving down marketing informations down
your throat, like like like I'm I'm

769
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.239
gonna pick on them. Black Magic
just came. You were going to say,

770
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.719
well, there's twelfth K camera and
they're saying it's revolutionary. It doesn't

771
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.760
have a Bayer system, And I'm
sitting back your thinking the Beyer system is

772
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.480
a good thing. People. There's
people online saying the Beyer system sucks now

773
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.280
because this new marketing is coming down
and slapping them with this new we got

774
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:51.800
this new system of camera. So
I don't know where I'm going with all

775
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.800
of them. Well, I mean, but it started with Red. Red

776
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.920
was the one that first came out
with four K and just like exploded.

777
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.960
I remember at an AD when it
was a box. It was a box,

778
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.400
and they're like, just give us
ten thousand dollars and you will get

779
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.880
a camera one day. And like
that was insane and they sold, like

780
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.400
whenever, five hundred cameras that during
an av at that time. And they

781
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.320
changed the game. Red changed the
game, love him or hate him.

782
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.519
They changed the game. Arie took
a while to catch up, and now

783
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:24.480
people argue all the time, Ari's
better than Red, Sony's better than Arie,

784
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.079
and black Magic is now. You
know, black Magic was like another

785
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.599
redheaded stepchild for a long time,
and now they've kind of come into their

786
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.320
own as a real player in the
camera game, you know. And I've

787
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.320
always said personal, I'm a big
I love black Magic. I've had I've

788
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:44.960
shot black Magic. I shot both
my features on him, and I love

789
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.800
black Magic cameras and Da Vinci I
edit Unresolved, and you know, I

790
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.920
drank the kool aid because I feel
because I feel that they have the best

791
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.280
bang for the buck. I think
out of all the cinematic cameras, I

792
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:59.119
think they have the best bang for
the buck. And I did some tests

793
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.920
once and I shot an Airy down
the middle, an Aery Alexa down the

794
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:07.159
middle and I shot the four point
six K black Magic down the middle,

795
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.679
and I put them up, and
I brought in some filmmakers and some dps.

796
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.679
I'm like, which is which?
And none of the ten times they

797
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:20.760
can they cannot tell the difference because
the black Magic image it lit the same,

798
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.119
everything was the same, SAM lenses
and everything. The image is equivalent.

799
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.800
It's not you can. And I
know a lot of people are going

800
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.559
to be like, no, what
he was saying, I'm like, no,

801
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:34.559
listen, calm the hell down.
Where the cost? The reason why

802
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.920
the Alexa costs so much more is
when you start going three or four stops,

803
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.679
under five stops, it falls apart. The black Magic falls apart.

804
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.880
But if you shoot it like you're
supposed to shoot it, it's pretty damn

805
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:52.480
good. And the cost versus like
eighty eighty thousand versus this a really easy

806
00:53:52.519 --> 00:54:00.119
workflow versus a fairly intense workflow in
post. All of all of that just

807
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.119
got to kind of look and now
the twelveth K, what does how much

808
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.400
it costs? Ten thousand? Ten
thousand dollars? Yeah, I I you

809
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.719
know, I'm not good. I'm
fine with I have a four point six

810
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.360
I'm good. It's yeah, like
it's an interesting camera. The thing is,

811
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.679
I've seen a lot of people jump
on board with it, and it's

812
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:20.519
just I don't feel like the existence
of a twelve K camera does not invalidate

813
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.719
your four point six, right,
you know, But it feels like a

814
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:28.119
lot of people are are thinking that
and and it's marketing. It's not.

815
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.519
And look, Grant Petty's he's he
did a good job on his video,

816
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.480
but I think it's the it's the
next layer. It's the people that talk

817
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:39.119
about what he said that are kind
of overhyping it. And uh, that's

818
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.400
that's what That's what bugs me about
kind of marketing. And that's kind of

819
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.119
what I've trying to do with my
videos, a little business, trying to

820
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:49.559
get down to the fundamentals, get
down to the understanding of how what does

821
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.840
what does it mean when they say
Bayer system, Bayer pattern, you know,

822
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.519
uh, what does that mean?
And then kind of cut through some

823
00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.719
of that marketing hype that you're just
constantly inundated with. And that's going back

824
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:04.440
That's kind of what I'm trying to
do with some of these videos. So

825
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:06.679
like, yeah, when Black when
Black Magic came out with the four K,

826
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.400
the little Mini Pocket four K.
Then that everybody was like, oh

827
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:10.880
my god, oh my god,
my god, we got it's a Pocket

828
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.760
four K. And then like five
months la, four months later, the

829
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:17.559
sixth K comes out and I'm like, are you kidding me? Guys?

830
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:21.199
Are you? Are you ev and
kidding me? Really? Yeah? Like

831
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.679
can you can you stop it?
CanYa? Can you just not? And

832
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.960
I know the black Magic guys.
I've worked with black Magic. I yell

833
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.639
at him all the time. I'll
go like, dude, dude, seriously,

834
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.760
man, like, give us a
year, give us like some time

835
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:36.880
to like enjoy what we have,
Like I'll give you a better one.

836
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.559
I have the Adam Mini, which
I bought like earlier, well I think

837
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.760
earlier this year. They came with
an Adam Mini Pro, which I bought

838
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.920
because I like because I need that
multicam view, which is what it added

839
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.880
to the system. And then a
month later, like the week I got

840
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.719
it, after being on back order
for a month, they announced the Adam

841
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:57.559
Mini Pro ISO, which can record
all all your camera streams at the same

842
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.320
time. So it's like literally a
month after I got this thing, a

843
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.440
brand new one came out and I'm
looking at it like, ah, that's

844
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.719
a great feature to have. Do
I need it? Not really, but

845
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.719
man, I wish I had that
option. That's the thing is that you

846
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.440
have to get used to the fact, like, hey, you know what

847
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.960
I can I need to stop buying
technology and make stuff with the stuff I

848
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.280
have had purchased. That's that's what
I need to do. Well, I

849
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.519
think, and I think a lot
of filmmakers use technology as an excuse not

850
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.920
to actually get into the arena.
Well, yeah, that's so true.

851
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:31.440
I mean, so many filmmakers just
like, oh, I can't shoot it

852
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.000
because I need this camera. Oh
I can't shoot it because I need that

853
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.599
camera. What I would I argue
when people argue with me about twenty four

854
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:43.920
frames a second and people say that
they want a high frame rate movies,

855
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.599
I always say, go out there
and shoot them yourself, like you be

856
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:52.039
the change you you you go out
And then every single time they always tell

857
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.599
me I can't because I don't have
any of this. I don't have any

858
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:59.559
equipment, I don't have any castrower. So it's always it's always an excuse

859
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.800
to get out of making something.
Well listen, man, I mean I've

860
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.880
been I've been a filmmaker for twenty
odd twenty five years plus, and I

861
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:19.119
understand the excuse demon because it's fear. We're fearful of putting ourselves out there,

862
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.360
We're fearful of creating art and oh
my god, no one's gonna like

863
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:27.719
it, the comments, holy cow, all of that kind of stuff,

864
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.599
and and not to mention the pressure
of if it's you know, the cost

865
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.599
and people you're working with, and
can I really do it and all of

866
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.360
the there's so many doubts and fears
that we as filmmakers have that we find

867
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:43.039
whatever excuse. Look, the same
thing happens with screenwriters that's like, oh,

868
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.199
I'll write tomorrow, or it's it's
like there's fear. As an artist

869
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:52.599
in general, there's always fear,
and gear is the one of the easiest

870
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.039
things you can say, like oh
I don't have this camera, I don't

871
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:59.280
have that camera, or I don't
have this lighting. Oh I need that

872
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.159
location, or I can't make this
script without three million, like I can't.

873
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:07.159
I just I can't not to say
I'm not gonna go write a script

874
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.559
that can make for ten thousand,
but this script I can't make, So

875
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:14.159
I'm going to just sit around for
three years chasing money for it, and

876
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.559
that makes me feel like I'm a
filmmaker. But you're really not a filmmaker.

877
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.800
You're just a guy or a girl
chasing money that will more unlikely never

878
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:29.639
happen. And I played that game
for twenty years. Twenty years I played

879
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.880
that game. So I turned forty
and I was attached to another big project

880
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:38.199
with a big producer and screenwriter,
and the project fell apart again, and

881
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:44.400
I said, I'm forty, I
can't do this anymore. So thirty days

882
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.960
later, I was shooting my first
feature with a black Magic send. I'm

883
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:52.000
a two point five K Why because
I had it and I didn't even hire

884
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.440
a DP. I lit the damn
thing myself and I never really dpted before.

885
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:59.320
I was a callerist for ten years, so I felt that I could

886
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:00.719
get it. I just gave me
it down the middle. I'll fix in

887
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:07.519
a post and I did. You're
inspiring me, Alex, But I did.

888
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.199
But that's this story. But the
thing is that I didn't. I

889
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:13.639
made it because I was already in
with indie film hustle at that time,

890
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:19.599
so I felt very comfortable for whatever
it was, something psychological, but I

891
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:21.960
just felt, oh, I have
indie film husse I can go back to

892
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.280
like I have my I have my
tribe. So if it doesn't work out,

893
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.039
no big deal, because I don't
know about you. But in my

894
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:30.800
mind when I made my first feature, it was going to be Reservoir Dogs.

895
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.840
I mean, I don't know about
you, but it was gonna be

896
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.559
Reservoir Dogs. It was gonna be
Mariagi, it was gonna be Clerks,

897
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.599
it was going to be one of
these big independent films that explode out of

898
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:44.920
the gate. So that pressure that
I put on myself stifled me for twenty

899
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.840
years. And of course I was
fearful, and of course I was chasing

900
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:51.639
every other dream and every other little
project and everything else because I was scared

901
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.599
to actually go do it. We'll
be right back after a word from our

902
00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:05.599
sponsor, and now back to the
show. Whereas when I finally just said,

903
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.719
you know what, screw it,
I'm gonna just go out and shoot

904
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:09.880
it. Thirty days later, we
shot with a scriptment which was, you

905
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:15.320
know, eight page outline with a
bunch of stand up comics and improvisers,

906
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:20.000
and we shot around our shot at
all their apartments and around LA and we

907
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.559
shot the whole damn thing in eight
days, I went up to the Hollywood

908
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:27.480
Sign and stole it. Which,
by the way, anyone wanting to shoot

909
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.320
on the Hollywood Sign, this is
this is a little tip if you just

910
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:31.760
want to, because if you want
to get permits and stuff, it becomes

911
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.679
a pain in the ass. But
oh yeah. So I was like,

912
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.360
I'm just gonna steal it, and
like halfway and we were really so I

913
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:39.079
was scared. I'm like, oh
my god, what did we get to

914
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:43.960
this? The Hollywood Sign? Oh
my god. Halfway up while I'm lugging

915
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:45.880
the gear up with my actress.
My actress is walking in front of me

916
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.679
and I've got all this gear,
I'm lugging up, and I said,

917
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:57.360
no one's coming, No one cares. No one kid Like, if someone

918
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:01.280
called them, hey, someone's illegally
shooting, by the they're not helicoptering somebody

919
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:05.920
in. By the time they get
up there, I'm done with my shot.

920
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.360
So I just realized, I'm like, okay, fine, I don't

921
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.079
I could just shoot, and we
shot and it was all these cool images

922
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:15.039
and stuff that we got up there. But I didn't give my mind a

923
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:20.519
moment to stop itself because it was
afraid and I just did it and I

924
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.239
was done, and I got it
out there and and it sold to Hulu

925
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:28.039
and we sold internationally and we did
very well with it. And it was

926
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.639
cost like five grand to make and
it was great, But that was I

927
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:36.119
had to It took me twenty years
to get there because of the fear.

928
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.119
And I think gear was one of
the all band I need a red,

929
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:45.000
I can't, I need, I
need a red. I can't I need

930
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.679
I need, I need a techno. How can I not shoot without a

931
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.320
techno? I mean, have you
ever shot? Have you ever shot with

932
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.440
a techno? By the way,
no, I have seen him, but

933
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.119
I never touched. I was shooting
a music video and I had a techno

934
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.880
the entire day, first time I
ever had one. Oh my god,

935
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.599
It's so amazing. Yeah, it's
just it lived on the tech all day,

936
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.239
just like I just like, I
can't, I can't. I can't

937
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:10.360
shoot without a Mini Techo everywhere I
go. It was so amazing to have

938
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.159
that thing. I was just like, oh, I get why James Cameron

939
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:21.599
has like twenty of these on the
set just in case. But but anyway,

940
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:25.360
so that's the that's the fear thing. So I think as we're kind

941
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.760
of talking about gear fear, fear
of gear, but I think it's also

942
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.519
the fear of actually materializing your idea. Because as long as it's an idea

943
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:36.920
in your head, it's brilliant,
it's perfect. You know, the movie

944
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.639
in your head is is Oscar winning. You put it on paper and then

945
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:44.559
you start realizing, oh crap,
it's maybe it's not that good, and

946
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.559
then you start shooting, oh maybe
yeah, or you see it, Oh

947
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:51.559
crap, this isn't really as good
as I thought, what's gonna be?

948
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:54.920
It's the fear. No, it's
scary, man, it's scary being a

949
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.840
filmmaker and doing all that. But
you know, anyone listening out there,

950
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.800
I hope they don't get caught up
that because tomorrow you'll wake up and you'll

951
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.119
be, you know, seventy,
and you'll be still chasing that that that

952
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:07.760
that Hollywood dream that Hollywood sells you. That is bogus. It's the sizzle.

953
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.920
There's no steak behind it, and
you kind of just gotta go out

954
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:14.320
and do it. Like my second
film, I shot with the pocket camera

955
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.119
ten EIGHTYP, the first generation pocket
camera. I shot the whole movie on

956
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:21.679
that. People thought where I was
crazy. That was crazy to shoot a

957
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:22.559
whole film on that. I'm like, no, I love the look of

958
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.239
it. It looks great. And
it was a ten ADP camera right,

959
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:30.440
blew it up to two K for
for my DCP, screened it at the

960
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:32.840
Chinese Theater. It's one of the
best things I've ever shot in my life.

961
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.199
It was beautiful least shots. I
was like, I can't I was.

962
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.480
I was scared to death because on
my my, my fifty five inch

963
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:43.519
you know, a color grading monitor, it looked great. I'm like,

964
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.519
yeah, but this is a projection
and like, I don't know. And

965
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.800
the first time I saw it was
at the Chinese Theater projected theatrically, I

966
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.119
was like, holy cow, it
holds like I thought it was gonna get

967
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.400
pigs like it held so beautifully.
So I don't want to hear excuses from

968
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.360
people like oh, this and that, and if you want to go to

969
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:03.320
Tangerine with the iPhone and just worry
about your story, people will forgive the

970
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:09.360
image quality and don't get caught up
in like you're dude, you're not deacons.

971
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:14.039
Like you're not deacons anyone listening.
You're not Roger Deacons. You're not

972
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.599
going to make something look like Roger
Deacons. I'm sorry, it's because there's

973
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:20.000
one Roger Deacons. You're not gonna
be Fincher, You're not gonna be Nolan,

974
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.119
You're not going to be Spielberg,
because that's what they do, and

975
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:27.360
it took them years of not decades, to get to where they are.

976
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.320
Be yourself and be the best version
of yourself that you can be, and

977
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:33.760
that's all we could ever do as
a filmmaker. That's a fantastic message.

978
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:39.360
Now, Deacons doesn't work alone.
He's got you know, script or set

979
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:43.639
dressers. He's got you know,
location scouts and all the basically all the

980
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:47.760
all the resources at his exposal exposed
exposal. Yeah, I was gonna say

981
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:53.039
that this might sound narcissistic, but
if if, if it was between me

982
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:57.119
and Sebe and Spielberg and s Fiel
Spielberg was given like fifteen minutes to work

983
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.840
a scene and shoot it, and
I was given eight hours to shoot the

984
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.360
scene, and I had the same
people that Steven Spielberg has. I think

985
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.400
I would probably hold up at least
I would. I wouldn't I wouldn't embarrass

986
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.960
myself. I think you get something
competent up there. Yeah, it'd be

987
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.480
something there. Yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean, I

988
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.280
know what you're saying. You're not
saying that you're Steven Spielberg, nor that

989
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.960
you can compete at that level because
he's Steven Spielberg. No one can't exactly.

990
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:27.079
But if you use the same crew, the same resources, chances are

991
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.880
your stuff is going to look It
would be more it be Steven Spielberg,

992
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.199
but it would still be okay.
I mean it's especially given a time time

993
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.800
difference that I had. If I
had a lot more time than Steven Spielberg,

994
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.920
I might pull off something, you
know, something that looks really good.

995
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.159
Like you know, something that looks
really good. And then before before

996
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:50.119
we go, man, I gotta
ask you cats. Oh okay, cats,

997
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:54.000
I mean, come on, let's
let's yeah, let's talk about cats

998
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.639
for a second, because you wrote
it. You did a video about that

999
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:01.480
you like cats, and I've about
cats publicly many times. Okay, And

1000
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:05.039
I generally don't like to bash other
filmmakers on the show, and I'm not

1001
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.559
bashing the filmmaker. That something happened. In my opinion, I don't know

1002
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:16.400
what it was, because it was
such a perfect storm that you will never

1003
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:21.440
see in your lifetime again, because
you had Spielberg producing, you had an

1004
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:27.159
Oscar winner directing it, you had
based on one of the biggest Broadway shows

1005
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.440
of all time with the biggest music
stars of all time. Some Oscar like

1006
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:36.800
were throwing Oscar winners around like it
was water on that set to and everyone

1007
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:42.800
drank the kool aid, like everyone
said, this is going to be huge.

1008
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:47.440
This is a great idea that doesn't
happen. You know, you get

1009
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.199
the room every once in a while, like you'll get the room, You'll

1010
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:55.199
get a show Girls, you'll get
a Trolls too, You'll get something that's

1011
01:06:55.280 --> 01:07:00.400
so bad that it transcends being good. I'm still not at the point where

1012
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.639
Cats transcends to being good. I
got through twenty minutes of it and I

1013
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:08.719
just said, oh my god,
this is so bad. I can't keep

1014
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.280
going. Maybe with a group of
people I can watch it again, but

1015
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.719
I'm the rum I could watch again
and again, but I can't watch Cats.

1016
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.159
Well. I think with Cats,
what I think what's to me is

1017
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:23.679
I enjoyed. I really liked basically, the garishness of it is part of

1018
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.039
it. The first twint Missus when
he has when he had a Jenny any

1019
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:30.440
dots sequence when you have the kids
and the cockroaches, Oh, that is

1020
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.960
a bridge too far. That's I
mean, that's what I think. That's

1021
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.920
the worst part of the movie.
I get it gets better, It gets

1022
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:40.880
better, I guess totally. It
is totally like once you get past that,

1023
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.440
once you get past the dancing cock
roaches, but the children faces,

1024
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.320
child's faces. But that's the thing
I want. I just want to impress

1025
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:56.599
upon everyone listening is that this was
a universal movie with Spielberg producing it,

1026
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:02.239
Like, with one hundred million dollars
behind it. This doesn't happen. These

1027
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:08.599
studios don't take risks like this.
But on pick but on paper, this

1028
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:12.880
was a sure hit, fire hit
like this was a hit on paper.

1029
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.520
It had it checked every single box
off. The one thing it did not

1030
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:24.920
check off was the cat anuses that
were in it and the unfinished hands and

1031
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:29.880
visual effects that they released it.
It was a god i't even notice the

1032
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:32.079
hands part. But I think what
I what I appreciate was it was cats

1033
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:36.840
though is it? It does offer
It adds something to the musical genre that

1034
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:42.039
has been missing in a long for
a long time, and that's actually having

1035
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.479
some people involved that are and again
I'm looking past the effects, which I

1036
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.479
think I just kind of got.
It's like a hot tub, you kind

1037
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.920
of get used to it after a
while. Immediately that was great. It's

1038
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:55.000
a great analogy like after what's it's
really hot when you get in, but

1039
01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:59.119
after a while, just like it
just waves over the ocean. But yeah,

1040
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:00.960
I think and I think you got
like all these a lot of the

1041
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:04.640
role a lot of the more major
roles of and again, like I got

1042
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:09.960
this is an admission that I am
a big Cats fan before the movie came

1043
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.479
out, so I know I knew
the there's not a story, it's it's

1044
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.159
a collection of songs. It's really
what it is. It's it's based on

1045
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:19.199
poems by DS Elliott, So I
I mean, I have that background of

1046
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:24.239
it, so I understand. I
knew the characterizations. But you have a

1047
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.239
lot of people that are that are
in the musical genre that don't because the

1048
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.439
musical genre for a long time has
been plagued by the fact that you have

1049
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:31.920
to have the paper. The paper
has to say, you know, we

1050
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.399
have this star and it's gonna bring
this much box off this star, this

1051
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:39.520
star. And the problem with you
know that is Johnny Depp, for example,

1052
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:43.760
when Sweeney Todd, he's not really
a good singer, not for that

1053
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:47.920
particular role. That's the problem.
So what Cats did, which was kind

1054
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:51.840
of unique, was that they got
a lot of people in the leads that

1055
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:58.039
aren't household names, that are that
are from like the Royal Ballet Company.

1056
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:05.000
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1057
01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:11.359
the show, which was like,
wow, we're actually bringing in people that

1058
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:17.439
are good artists. Now we covered
them, but in those sets brought in

1059
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:20.479
some good, some good. If
you actually, if you were to only

1060
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.159
watch one segment and not and just
trying to ignore the rest of it,

1061
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.720
if you watch the skimball shanks,
the railway cat and this is this is

1062
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.119
this is not absurd. Now if
you watch just that segment and you can

1063
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:36.359
it's it's actually very good, because
it's probably the best segment in the entire

1064
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:41.720
film. It's not it's not like
disturbing, there's no children on cockroaches,

1065
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.640
but it's actually actually see some very
very high level dancing on display. It's

1066
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:50.520
something you don't actually see in movies. So I'll give I'll give the filmmaker

1067
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:56.920
credit for that. It's It's lit
beautifully. The dancing is great, the

1068
01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:01.199
singing is fantastic. The songs are
the song they're great. You know what

1069
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:03.680
A Genna's Little Cat, whatever the
hell that thing is called. I don't

1070
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:10.079
vangelical Cat. The first eight minutes
of the movie is just one long ass

1071
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:12.720
song. And my wife looked at
me. She's like, is this gonna

1072
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.399
stop anytime soon? I'm like,
no, it's not. It's not.

1073
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:21.640
And the best review I've ever heard
for a movie was for Cats, and

1074
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:27.479
it's one sentences just so perfect.
Cats is the worst thing that happened to

1075
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:33.920
cats since Dogs. It's just absolutely
But it's been bashed enough in the press.

1076
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.079
But I just wanted to hear your
point of view, So I appreciate

1077
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:43.640
that anyone out there please watch Cats. Let's know what you think below.

1078
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.239
It helps if you'd go into it, maybe a little. Oh no,

1079
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:50.319
I'm halfway like in those first twenty
minutes, I'm like, man, if

1080
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:53.640
I don't, I don't drink,
ground will smoke. I've never done drugs,

1081
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:58.560
but I'm like, if I was
high, this would be much better,

1082
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.520
Like I could if you're if you're
tripping again, I have never tripped,

1083
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.640
but if if I could only imagine, like if I was tripping this,

1084
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:11.439
this movie would blow my mind.
It is. It is one of

1085
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:15.199
those in the mood movies. Again. The thing is, I'm also a

1086
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.600
huge fan of Andrew Lloyd Webber,
who's uh obviously wrote cats. But Andrew

1087
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:25.039
low Webber in his earlier years,
you have to realize the guy was there

1088
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:30.000
was some weird stuff he put out. Really weird is in that category in

1089
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:35.840
that cat agory. Hey, I'm
gonna ask you a couple of questions to

1090
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:40.319
ask all my guests. What advice
would you give a filmmaker trying to break

1091
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:45.159
into the business today. Oh my
lord, h I could be very,

1092
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.560
very facetious and say quit, just
just run away. Just run away,

1093
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:54.000
because if you follow that advice,
then you probably made a good decision.

1094
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:56.479
If you said no, John,
you're an idiot. I don't want to

1095
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:00.319
listen to you, and you probably
have the right mindset for sticking it out

1096
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:02.960
in this business because it is it
is hard, I think, but it

1097
01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:06.880
would be less facetious, I think
is to to really understand what you're trying

1098
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.000
to put out there. I think
a lot of people get so so narrow,

1099
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.119
so they put the blinders on they
think about their project, their movie,

1100
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.279
and they think it's it is so
perfect for everybody, and everyone will

1101
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:20.439
love my movie because I'm the one
that made it. And actually had somebody

1102
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.119
send me a question the other day. He asked me, what does what

1103
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:27.800
do they mean by target audience?
And I had to ask myself, like,

1104
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:30.399
how how do you not understand what
your targeting? So I just kind

1105
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:32.479
of went through went through with him, was like, who do is your

1106
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.720
movie appeal to? Who do you
think would want to see your movie?

1107
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:41.600
And I think that's if any advice, maybe it's just to understand not only

1108
01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.119
like what what are you making your
movie? Uh necessarily for who you're making

1109
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.600
the movie, but or how how
does it the how does it fit in

1110
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:53.479
the larger world? You know?
And uh and and also realized too that

1111
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:57.720
you don't necessarily make movies for uh, for the entire world sometimes a lot

1112
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:00.640
of times you make a movie for
yourself first, but also realize that fact

1113
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:04.800
that you know, try to tie
that into I mean, I try that

1114
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:09.720
and make make the movie for yourself, but also realize that how how does

1115
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:13.880
that how to appeal to other people? If that makes sense, it makes

1116
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.800
understand who your audience is basically and
and try to create something for that audience

1117
01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:23.840
is a good piece of advice.
Yeah, And I think again, the

1118
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.720
audience could be you too. I
mean, you are in the audience.

1119
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.760
You are you are the first audience. So if it doesn't appeal to you,

1120
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:31.479
then obviously it's not. I mean, if it doesn't appeal to you're

1121
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:35.319
gonna have troubles appealing it to somebody
else. And and three of your favorite

1122
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:40.479
films of all time? Oh,
that's Doctor Strangelove is probably one of my

1123
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:45.880
favorites of all time. I'm not
gonna go cats by what you may think.

1124
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:49.760
It's not even near top ten.
I'm trying to think of the Doctor

1125
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:55.520
Strangelove is absolutely my favorite. Oh
I love something like it hot. Yeah,

1126
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:59.399
I just like I was to pick
another one that it's kind of a

1127
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:01.199
more of a smaller one. This
is kind of what really inspired me to

1128
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:04.000
be a filmmaker. Is a movie
called The Big Cahuna. Yeah, I

1129
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:09.039
remember I remember this. Kevin Spacey
yep, Any de Vito and the guy

1130
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.680
that played the one of the vampires
on Twilight. We all went on to

1131
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.560
what's name you know he's talking about? Yeah, and it's it's a it's

1132
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:19.479
a it's a great little movie from
the night late nineties. It's about these

1133
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:24.960
three salesmen that get together and they're
trying to land the big Ahuna, and

1134
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:29.079
it's entirely driven by conversation and entirely
place. It takes place in a single

1135
01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:33.359
room, and it is some of
the best performances I've ever seen on film.

1136
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.359
So that's that's I think that's one
of my favorites. Very cool.

1137
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:40.319
I'm not that out there now.
Where and where can people find you?

1138
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:45.159
Oh uh, filmmaker iq dot com
I need to I'm I am reading the

1139
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.039
website eventually, It's it's a long
process. But if you really want to

1140
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:53.520
find me YouTube dot com, slash, I think filmmaker i q is just

1141
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:57.840
look up filmmaker iq. You can
can chase me around on Facebook. I

1142
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:01.640
mean I post more like person stuff
on Facebook. But between those two that's

1143
01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:04.840
really where you're going to see most
of my face. And obviously on this

1144
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.680
podcast, John, I really appreciate
it you coming on the show man.

1145
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.119
We could talk for probably another two
three hours just keeping just geeking out alone

1146
01:16:14.239 --> 01:16:18.920
on cats. But but I really
appreciate what you do, man, and

1147
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:23.680
all the education you put out there
for filmmakers out there, So thank you

1148
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:26.439
for doing what you do. My
friend, Oh, thank you for having

1149
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.800
me. I want to thank John
for coming on the show and dropping his

1150
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:34.119
filmmaker IQ on the Tribe today.
Thank you so so much. John.

1151
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.520
If you want to get links to
anything we spoke about it in this episode,

1152
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:41.760
head over to the show notes at
Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv. Ford Slash

1153
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:45.039
three twenty three. Thank you so
much for listening. Guys, As always,

1154
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.760
keep on writing no matter what.
I'll talk to you soon. Thanks

1155
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:53.840
for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast
at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv.