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Any fans of this show. The
nonprofits know by now that Oklahoma is no

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stranger to allowing Jesus into their classrooms, But are they also allowing satan in

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as well? Eli, You're here
to break it down for us what's going

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on in Oklahoma? So Oklahoma House
Bill fourteen twenty five is going to require

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public schools to excuse up to three
class period absences per student per week to

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attend class in religious or moral instructions. The classes will take place off campus,

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but they do not require a set
curriculum or to be even taught by

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qualified teachers, but they count as
elective credits. The Satanic Temple has established

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the Hellian Academy of Independent Learning or
HAIL in other states where release time classes

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already exist, but Oklahoma would be
the first state in which HALE can offer

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academic credit for the courses that they
teach. Since this article was first published,

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it has been updated twice to include
that's state Governor Stitt has indeed signed

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the bill into law. So this
is law in Oklahoma now. And it

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includes a message as well from state
Superintendent Ryan Walters making it clear that he

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does not intend to allow Satanists to
participate in the program. These articles by

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Hemet Meta at The Friendly Atheist last
updated on June sixth, twenty twenty four.

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Yeah, the wonderful Hemet Meta.
I always love reading his stuff.

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Eli, why do we have to
release kids from school? Can't these people

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teach their kids religion at home?
You know? That is exactly what I

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thought when we talked about life Wise
Academy around a month ago. And life

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Wise Academy has mentioned in this so
this is based in Ohio, and they've

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been going in and bussing, taking
a bus to the school to take kids

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off campus for this. The reason
they have to do this, of course,

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is because you can't teach about religion
in publicly funded schools. I think

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that the parents are the ones that
like, if you want to teach your

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kid's things that are not true,
you have to do that, and you

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have to be able to justify why
you believe that, because if you can't

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justify why you believe something to your
child, then you can't justify it to

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yourself either, and you shouldn't even
be believing it. I don't understand why

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they need it to be taught in
school so badly. I don't know why

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they can't, like it's when I
was a kid, it was just like

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I went to church as a kid
once a Sunday. Sometimes Sunday nights we'd

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do like the King's Kids musical thing
and we would just go like whatever.

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But it was just once a week, and there was never this whole idea

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of like we I didn't even think
about it in school, Like it was

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never something that we thought about having
taught at school. I always it was

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just separate. I never. I
don't see why this push to get Jesus

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into the schools as has taken such
an increase in intensity lately. Yeah,

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but Sidney, it's only three classes
a week. I mean, what is

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the big deal. The big deal
is that Oklahoma has ranked forty ninth out

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of fifty in education and they can't
afford to miss any school no matter what

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it's for. That's it. That's
the whole thing is Like I will listen

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to you talk about the benefits of
skipping school to learn whatever else you want.

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When you bare Minimum Bare Minimum aren't
in the bottom ten. When you're

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like, if you if you make
it to number thirty out of fifty in

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terms of educational quality content, then
we can talk about skipping school to learn

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other stuff. And also I looked
into it and I could not find a

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single writing program at any university that
did not offer fiction. So they've got

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a chance to learn that anyway in
the future. It's fine. They don't

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need to do it in high school
when they're already in the bottom two.

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It's like, look it up.
Anybody who's offended by that, probably from

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Oklahoma. Look it up. Like
you know, like my mom would always

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say things when I was a kid, like, hey, get like,

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we can't even talk about this until
you get this done. You know,

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like, we can't even talk about
what you're gonna do then until you got

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you get the first step score.
You know what. I'll make it easier

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be in the top forty seven,
and then we can talk about what you're

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allowed to skip school for. But
until then, I don't want to hear

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it. Yeah, I don't know
if they're going to get that far.

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If we consider the policies that the
state superintendent of public educator or what's his

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title, it's like the superintendent of
public Education, I think for Oklahoma,

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Ryan Walters. In any case,
if we keep seeing the policies that he

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is supporting and trying to drive home. They're probably going to stay where they're

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at, right. I think the
problem is I think the problem is that

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Oklahoma didn't ban the Bluest Eye from
their library, and it was all just

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downhill from there. Yeah. Yeah, So when it comes to book banning,

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Oklahoma is no stranger to that.
But you know, when it comes

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to being unconstitutional, well, they're
also no stranger. And Ryan Walter says

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eli that there's going to be no
Satanists. And let's not forget that the

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Satanists do want an equal part of
this to be constitutional, of course,

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but Ryan Walter says, there will
be no Satanists in this program. As

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the state superintendent of education, that's
it. Does he have any authority and

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can he get his way? I
mean, he absolutely has authority. I

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hope that he doesn't get his way
because I think it would be well,

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does he have the authority to prevent
I don't know that he does. I

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think it would be unconstitutional for him
to prevent the Satanic Temple from participating because

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I think it's blatant discrimination of a
protected status, and as an elected official,

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he just is not allowed to do
that. That is what the First

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Amendment is intended for directly. It
seems like he doesn't understand the position that

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he holds or like what he's responsible
for the video, Like his his statement

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to the Satanists, it was it
just seemed kind of like, I don't

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know what it was. Like,
I know, you guys like Fladay and

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say that, yeah it was.
It was really performative. Yeah, but

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it just like really kind of it
was. It was an attack sort of.

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It wasn't just like, hey,
like this is the case, Like

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I don't think the Satanism is a
religion, so I'm not going to allow

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that. It was like Sudanism is
not a religion. You know, you're

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you're always gonna lie and say that
it is. But I'm like, you're,

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like you hold office man like that. It seems like just an unbecoming

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way to kind of conduct himself.
And it's unconstitutional as well, So it

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just looks bad all around on Yeah, and you know what's funny to me,

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satan belongs to the Christians. I
mean, that's their guy. That's

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their guy. They should recognize that
this is part of the dogma. This

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is very much part of the religion, right, It's almost centered on the

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religion if you think about it.
I mean, a major premise is that

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we're fighting against Satan, right,
so how could this not be religious at

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its core? But it just goes
to show his ignorance because you know,

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Satanism is actually a very humanist organization, right, and they actually do a

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lot of good. I remember something
like this taking place in oh Man,

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It's been a while, but I
think it was like Minnesota where we talked

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about this about a year ago on
the nonprofits. But you know, there

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was a school that wanted to do
a similar or an act a similar policy

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like this, so or excuse me, it was like a town council and

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somebody waited online to you know,
vote in favor of it and say thank

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you. And he gave a speech, thank you for allowing me to bring

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my Satan's Little Devils after school program
into the public school. And that was

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it. He was brilliantly created it
after school program called Satan's Little Devils.

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Anyway, I digress a little bit, but it's really fun when people can

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People could come up with Sydney,
go ahead. You had a comment,

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So listen, you guys are thinking
about this all the wrong way. This

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man is a genius, and I'm
going to tell you why, because even

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even though he's in leadership in Oklahoma, I imagine he still knows his job.

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And so state state laws super cannot
override national laws. So, for

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example, if you are given a
right based on the Constitution, no matter

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what laws that state comes up with, it can't. It cannot negate your

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constitutional rights. So this man knows
that he knows that there are certain things

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he can't do and are not allowed
and are unconstitutional. But what he can

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do is he can secure his reelection
by making sure everyone knows he ain't gonna

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have no Satanist in his school.
So when the polls come around, whether

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or not the Satanists ever show up. But I don't think they're going to

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show up. I think Satanists do
not care about this man's town. But

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when the next election comes up and
people are trying to figure out who they're

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going to vote for, you know
who they're going to vote for. That

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man who stood up and said out
loud in today's America that he does not

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support Satanism. He stood in a
time when the liberals want everyone to worship

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satan and he said that he wasn't
going to allow the devil in his school,

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and he's gonna win. Yeah,
And this speaks to religion's relationship with

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education, if you will. I
mean, this is a lot of material

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to miss out on let's face it, taking kids out of school for three

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different classes a week to learn learn
what basically a destructive and ancient mythology instead

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of actually earning their education. And
I think it would actually serve him well

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to keep people stupid, you know, so that they do they do vote

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for him, and of course that
that's kind of a grand scale kind of

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thing. But you know, Eli, what does it say about religion's relationship

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to education when people are okay with
just not championing education and instead sticking their

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kids in church and and and you
know, covering them with religion. I

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fuel, well, they they don't
think that they are They don't think that

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putting their kids in churches is contrary
to education. They think that spiritual and

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religious education is a part of the
the whole you know, education experience,

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and that if you're you're not learning
scripture and you're not learning you know,

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Jesus, then you're not really learning
what's true. The idea that I don't

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believe I accept that that religion prevents
scientific progress or prevents academic progress progress in

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general. I've said a number of
times that like any good thing we get

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from religion, we can get from
a secular source, and like do it

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just as well or better and the
and that includes education. Absolutely, the

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things that there are a good reason
to believe are true are the things we

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should be learning during the school day. Those are the things we want to

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teach our society. And it comes
to personal beliefs about metaphysical or origins of

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the universe that don't fit with with
data that we have collected over centuries,

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like those are things that you just
don't teach to people as if they are

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true, because they probably aren't.
And that's the religion's mo so to speak,

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is just to stick to this one
thing, regardless of the information they

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get that contradicts it, like,
Nope, this is what's true. You

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are lying, you're wrong, your
conspiracy, you'ar them. It's the idea

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is to keep people in there,
like you've said, and as long as

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they continue to believe that, as
long as they continue to believe the dogma,

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then you can control them. Well, Sidney, you brought up the

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election aspect of this, and you
know, when it comes to education,

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wouldn't Walters be better off saying,
hey, look, I took us from

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forty nine to forty six or forty
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counterproductive? I mean, what are
your thoughts on that? So I think

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one he says I'm not going to
allow Satanists in school, and everybody goes,

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yeah, that's right, and then
it gets knocked down by the Supreme

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Court and he can say, uugh, I did my best, you guys,

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but you know, the the d
words in office blocked everything that I

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tried, and everybody's going to go
you know who else tried really hard to

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save everyone and was persecuted Jesus right, So you're doing the It's okay,

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we forgive you. You tried,
but the government blocked you, big bad

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government. So they're like, he
doesn't have to do anything. He just

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has to say this is what we're
doing. And also, I do think

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it's counterproductive. I think it's incredibly
counterproductive. I think it will be nothing

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but harmful. I also think we'll
see that the people who choose to take

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the opportunity to leave class we're going
to see a pattern in the classes they

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choose to leave. And I wouldn't
be surprised if you look into this deeper,

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if you spend like a day deep
diving into this. This probably actually

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started because there was a lot of
arguments between parents in terms of what their

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kids were learning during science class,
what they were learning during history. And

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the only way that they could pacify
these parents is by being like, here's

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a legal way that you can pull
your kid out of US history, and

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you can pull your kid out of
science, and they're still learning because they're

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reading about history, but it's biblical
history, and so in my life,

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yeah, yeah exactly, and so
yes, do I think it's detrimental,

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Yes, we'll do only bad things. Yes. Is it doing exactly he

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wants it to do? Yes,
Yes it is. Yes, is all

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across the board. And the only
people that will be negatively impacted by this

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are the students. Eli. There
are some I'm gonna put this in air

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quotes secular safeguards, right they in
the school or the state champions this idea

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that well, we're going to keep
it secular because we have these safeguards in

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place. Do you want to talk
about that at all. Yeah, so

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they Some of the stipulations of the
bill include that, like, the school

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cannot fund this in any way.
It all has to be funded externally.

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It must be taught by an outside
organization that's leading to classes. The parents

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must opt into the program, so
it's not a default. Your kid is

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going to go unless you tell us
no. And there are certain classes that

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they can't skip. And I went
and I double checked it when you were

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talking about like this, like which
classes they were looking at, because the

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only ones mentioned in the article are
English in math. I haven't looked any

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further into it, but I'm curious
to see if science science classes are classes

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that are eligible to be skipped for
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class. I really want to figure
that out, but I'll have to do

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another time. Are I would imagine. So, so, these are things

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I think definitely make it I put
it as more constitutional before, but I

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don't know if that's like, I
don't know if that's not your way to

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describe it. I think things that
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me, Like it would be worse
if those things weren't in place. But

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I don't think that necessarily helps in
any way. It's still very clearly like

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a poorly disguised attempt to like push
Christian nationalism in Oklahoma. And I mean,

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yeah, I don't know if I
have much more to expand on that.

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I just it. I those safeguards
I think are just for show.

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I think it's like just to it's
a way, it's a way to justify

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or or to fight back and say
no, this is not unconstitutional. And

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I think we're in a bit of
a dichotomy here, or or there's an

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ambiguity to why this is so bad. Right. There's there's the education portion,

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which, by the way, I
just have to say English math taking

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away a children, a child's ability
to read and to handle their finances.

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That's going to keep them dependent on
the state and dependent on you know,

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the church for what it's worth.
But then we've also got this other aspect

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of constitutionality. And you know what
is really the goal here? I mean,

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what are we really upset about?
If you will, would we be

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happier if other religions, Satanist groups
were able to take part equally? I

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mean, will this will this make
us go yeah, okay, it's constitutional?

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Or would it still be just as
bad because we're taking kids out of

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school city. What do you think? So if let's just say Oklahoma tomorrow

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was like, you know what,
we're going to open this to Muslims,

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We're going to open this to people
who are Jewish. Great. I would

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love to see the percentage of the
population that is impacted by either of those

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belief systems, right. Just like
it's easy to claim that you're political stance

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is something that you know eventually is
going to get blocked by higher powers than

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you and you're like, oh no, it's also easy to be welcoming and

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inclusive in an area where you don't
have to worry about this people actually showing

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up, Like I would love to
know how many Satanists actually live in Oklahoma?

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Right. There are certain people,
certain people in this country who I

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think their number one way of thinking
and behaving is based on problems they've invented

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in their mind and are now defending
against problems that they invented in their brain.

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Like what if Satanist show up?
What if a bunch of people who

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are Muslim show up? Okay,
maybe cross that bridge when you come to

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it. Maybe, But in the
same way that it's useless for him to

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say no Satanists allowed, because you
just can't do that. It's also useless

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too, and it's performative, and
it's a tactic to include people that you

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know so you won't actually have show
up to stuff. And it's easy to

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say, fine, will allow everybody
when you know the only people that'll show

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up are Christians and non Christians,
and both of those can be true.

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So if somebody who was non Christian
came out, and maybe they live in

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like southern Louisiana and they said,
you know what, I'm going to make

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an afterschool atheist program, statistically,
I feel like that's performative and it wouldn't

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actually be doing anything. But they're
pandering toward an audience that's going to go,

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wow, good for you, even
though nobody shows up. And you

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know something, you raise an interesting
point because the group, the Satanist group

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that actually showed interest in this is
based out of Massachusetts. I mean exactly.

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They're all the way up in the
northeast. Right. There's nobody in

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Oklahoma that is subscribing to a Satanist
theory. And you know, we covered

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this on the or I shouldn't say
Satanist theory, Satanist practices, if you

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will. But we covered a similar
issue on the nonprofits a couple of weeks

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ago when we talked about Ron DeSantis, the governor of Flowari, who invented

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this this conspiracy, the conspiracy about
how Democrats are planning on world domination and

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they're going to achieve that by feeding
people artificial beef. What well, go

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figure that the largest beef producing population
in the country is in Florida, right,

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so we've got to create Yeah,
we've got to create a boogeyman.

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So so you know, making these
comparisons, you know, I want to

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draw upon the point that Eli made
in his notes preparing for tonight's show.

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You made a comparison to the group
life wise, and I was I wanted

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to know if you could expand on
that. Yeah, So, like I

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mean earlier, they are based out
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could be wrong. They're in Ohio
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Basically, they take they have this
really rad like big red school bus that

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they take to the school and like
all the kids that are going to go,

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they get these red shirts and they
put on they go to the to

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some church or somewhere off campus for
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or something, and they apparently are
teaching like over thirty five thousand students across

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the country and like fifty I think
fifty three school districts. They go and

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they take these kids at a place
where they're learning like real true things and

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teach them about like magic and how
to hate things the right way. And

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that is where I think, like
you asked a little bit earlier, like

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does you know including Satanists or including
all religions make it, you know,

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more constitutional? Sure? Does it
make me happier about it? No?

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Because I still don't like religion.
I still don't think religion should be taught

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to kids, especially in school.
And that's sort of just where I land

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on it. And I think Greenville
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of as far as I can tell, it seems like they sort of opened

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the door ands and when they started
getting so successful, now it's it's starting

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to take root in other places.
Yeah, yeah, thank you for that

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comparison, Sydney. I'm going to
give you the closing remarks and we will

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head out. Yeah. I couldn't
agree more. I don't think any religion

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should be taught in school, and
I don't think Oklahoma can afford to pull

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kids out of school right now.
Like again, if they like, if

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they prove to me in the next
four years that they can start passing tests

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with higher grades, that their literacy
levels will improve at this and that and

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the other, that it means so
much to them that they're willing to pull

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their grades up by the bootstraps and
change their educational stance. Then we can

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talk about making changes, which I
still don't think should involve any religion whatsoever.

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But this idea that the the state
that is struggling second to last in

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education in this country is like,
you know what'll help less school? Yeah,

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religion may very well have a place
in school, but it's certainly not

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in place of English, math or
any other category. In fact, it

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should be taught alongside the other mythologies. I read the book I read.

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I read the work of Odysseus the
Iliad in eighth grade, and you know

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that would be a perfect place to
introduce there, Yeah, mythological thinking