Hello ladies, gentlemen, and welcome to This is an episode. This is
just like a I don't know, a little update highlight. I'm trust now
Clown Prince Fantastics, I'm joined by I'm Fantastic News, the Fantastic. There
you go. Yeah, we're doing a quick one because we're not gonna have
any newscast next week or lots of recording with some big news. Let's talk
about this quickly. Give our little opinion. So everything you know is down
below, not going to give the full plugs. We just did a Batam
Web make sure check that out. But we got our officials. Some of
this had been rumored, but we got our official Matt No, our official
Fantastic forecast reed Richards is going to be played by Pedro Pascal Vanessa Kirby is
gonna be playing Sue Richards. No, Sue Storm, not Sue Richards.
Johnny Storm will we played by Joseph Quinn again. Eleven thirteen after man Web
review and then Evan Moss background is going and playing the thing Ben Grimm.
We also learned which I will have a follow up question for something else that
is going to be coming out July twenty fifth, So it's moved back.
Thunderbolts, which was in December of next year, is now in that May
slot. So, Dylan, what do you think about some of these these
come ups and were you surprised this oything too? Were you surprised this is
how it happened, because we've heard rumors and lobbies, but a lot of
people thought, oh, the wait till Comic Con, the wait till t
twenty three, just drop some poster, which I guess I can also throw
in the question to you that it confirms it's in the sixties. We don't
know, because another part that rumor was it was the sixties sixties. Yeah,
yeah, somewhere in the sixties. We don't know if it's MCU sixties
or alternate universe sixties. There's been like if the rumors on both of saying
it's our timeline and not our timeline. So what do you think about all
that? And just even the announcement of like they just posted like a poster
on Valentine's Morning, like, hey, here they are. That was surprising
to me and I'm wondering why that is. I don't really have a theory
because we're not anything MCU coming out soon. Until like Deadpool, which near
com con time, so I don't I don't really have a theory for that.
But so Pedro Pascal was already confirmed, right like that wasn't just like
high rumors. That was like nothing, that was a to your stuff.
No one's been confirmed till today. This was the official confirming it was officially
confirmed. Yeah. I know all these names have floated around, and I
swear we even talked about this these four being the cast at some point.
I mean, all of our other rumors have always been like, oh,
there's here the two or three people running. But I think we've had all
these names, so I've thought on them before, and I think it's I
think it's really great. I think if you probably go back to our cast
when we first talked about Pedro, I don't remember exactly what I said,
but I probably would have said something long, long lines of I wouldn't have
thought of him for it, and I don't necessarily see it immediately, but
he's just so good that I think it's a great get for Marvel, and
I think he can do it, and I'm excited to see him do something
different than what I've seen him do before too, So that's great, but
that's and then honestly for the next three, like I don't don't really have
a lot of personal experience with them as actors, Like I've seen all of
them in like maybe one or two things, like in minor roles. But
from everything, I feel like we've been talking about Vanessa Kirby for years on
the podcast and the drafts and all of the sand cast, like she's always
coming up, so I feel like she feels like an old friend. Yeah,
that one of the family, and then the other two. I just
I hear such great things from everyone about them, So I'm I think it's
a pretty I think it's a pretty solid list, and I'm I'm very excited
for it. I also, yeah, I really like the poster. I
like the tone that we got for not necessarily that's what the movie is gonna
look like or anything, but not necessarily just the time confirmation. I don't
know if I care so much about that, but just the general vibe of
it, I'm into it. So yeah, I'm pretty pretty pleased with this
news, I would say, And do you think Thunderbolts being in May is
a better December slot or better than de summer because I think we've talked about
that a few times where we're all kind of like, yeah, like Christmas
movie that like Family Vibes is Thunderbolts, that movie where it's a bunch of
bad guys together as a team. I don't know if that has the same
effect like a Wonka or something like. I feel like Christmas is more that
Avatar fun adventure where I'm not saying Vunderbolts wasn't a fun adventure, but I
just feel like that's a harder sell during Christmas. I feel like May is
a better time for it. I think I kind of forgot about the Christmas
things. I feel like for years it was in that summer slot, and
that's where I in my mind it was still there. So I kind of
forgot about that until Yeah, it came up that this was gonna be in
the July saw. So this is sorry May of twenty five. Yeah,
so right now, if it all goes to planned, it's starting film right
now. As if it goes to plan, that's the villain finally, right.
So that was all Yes, they did east they needed. Yeah,
so it's gonna go Cat four in February. Thunderbolts of May this and July,
supposedly Blade in November, so they're sick with the four. But I
don't think Blade's gonna make it though. I think Blade it's just like we
have this placeholder. Put Blade off the lady. Yeah, I think play
it's gonna be a February I I guess it feels like Whiplush since we're only
getting one MCU movie this year, and it's even like kind of in a
weird slot because it's the Deadpool thing. But I guess that makes sense if
your timing's just weren't quite right this year, so you're probably gonna have more
things in the next year. So obviously there's always those concerns of like them
overdoing it with how many things there are and rushing things and CGI and all
these concerns. But man, if that is correct and we get those four,
holy shit, that's gonna be a hype year for me personally. I'm
very interested in all of those projects, So that's that's gonna be pretty sweet.
Who even needs Disney plush shows at that point? Like, I'll just
give those four movies like let's go so no that Thunderbolts, I'm I mean
it moved up. I guess, so I'm happy. Well was it spially
this December? Are you saying no? Next year? Next year? So
yeah, so I'm happy about that. Moved a lot. Really when you
think about that's a big that's a big jump. But they are filming now,
so it's like a year of production if it all goes well. Right,
So what about you, Klin, happy peas, I will met you.
Like Dale mentioned, you did get you and me both got a point
superow draft. You got a point for Joseph Swin and a point for Vanessa
Kirby after keeping it for like three four years paid off. So it's satisfying
when you when you get one, you know, and uh, you know
we both got one in the same same instance here, so that's it's fun.
We can celebrate together. I'm just really pumped with this cast. Like
I I think all four of these characters are great. I have some experience
with all of them, and I I just like seeing them on the poster.
It just really fits. Even even what's his name, Evan Eben Moss,
Like just him is the thing. You know, it's clamber in time,
Like I'm down this guy, this guy could clomber things. So I
also really like the overall aesthetic of just like the poster that they that they
showed, and just the fact that it is just like a just like a
somewhat of a shadow drop, like just on Valenti's Day, Like just just
get it out there. Do you have any merit to the theory? Still?
Do you anything? I think they're trying to get ahead of leaks.
I feel like because they are, well they're not there now. We already
knew a lot of these, right, what do you mean like we already
talked like you don't say, we talked about a lot of these, right,
So it's like if they're trying to get had leaks, it's like,
well, we know, like they they're just like you know, I don't
know. I feel like the way that they had it just ready to go
in the barrel, like if they waited longer, they just I don't know,
like the overall look of it maybe would have been released. I don't
know. Do you give any creatives they're trying to there's a theory I mean
prior to Comic Con though, maybe is that the thing? No, they're
filming either during or after Comic Con. It's supposed to be like July August,
so they might not be filming to after Comic Con because they all got
busy schedules. So maybe they're just really they're really pumped and really confident,
and maybe it's like MCU hasn't been in the in the best spots is going
to boost filming, then it's gonna get out there. So maybe yeah,
I mean, why February fourteenth, I don't know. That doesn't really make
sense. But the tinfoil hat theory have seen from some people is to even
though it's not their movie, it's because Madam What was getting so much bad
press that they just wanted to get some good Marble stuff out there, because
people associate the two. I don't fully believe that. I think if it
was like there, they had a movie come out and it bombed, then
I'd say like, Okay, this is why they're gonna But I can't also
give you an answer to why this happened, because then I'm with other people
where I thought this was. People said, oh, for a joke,
they should revealed during the Dead Book trim, Like god, they won't do
that. Now, I'm kind of like they should have just done that.
They like they paid off for all that money. I think they would have
been something cool to reveal to like the super Bowl that's watched by one hundred
and thirty four million, of like, hey, fantastic for it's coming,
here's your cast. You know. It is still the idea though, of
like that trailer I saw is like the most viewed trailer of all time by
some metrics. Yeah, it's kind of a cheat. Yeah, well either
way, it's still huge. And maybe that's just what it is. Like
Marvel's in the news right now, like let's throw this capitalize. There's an
idea that it gets buried, but more so that like people are invested right
now, so why not hit him with the one two punch? And maybe
that's what it is. MC is back, you know that sort of.
Yeah, things just like come on the horizon, things to get excited for.
Yeah, no, I'm happy with all these. Vanessa Kirby was my
Sue's storm pick from day one, so it's but I hope as we just
talked about Madame Webb review, you know, Kirkland Day one for Julie Carton
with Sidney Swooney that didn't work out well. My Day one for Moon Night
was Oscar Isaac and to me, that didn't work out the greatest. So
maybe this is a fucking curse and we got to stop fan casting the people
we want because it just doesn't work out right. Yeah, yeah, I
don't. I've been curtisied to keeping my death. I keep talking and it
doesn't line up my lips. So hopefully thanks, Yeah, there's something wrong
with your editing. Yeah, So hopefully I think she'll do great, especially
the rumor of her being the main character. That's great. Uh, the
thing to me doesn't matter really to me, it's like I'm with Clay on
this one, where it doesn't matter who you cast, it's just the thing.
Granted, we did nominate Bradley Cooper's Rocket for Best MCU Actors, so
it can matter, right, you can still give a good performance with just
your voice. So I hope that copy is here. But most of the
time, spectrum right like Rocket to like Groot is prett Yes, spectrum of
like how meaningful that voice performance actually is? And that's to me, what
is it for this guy? Is it like, oh there's something good here,
or is it like that's a good check for doing a voice? I
don't know. I just start watching the bear. I really enjoy that,
and he's probably my fair character in that, so I'm excited. That's the
tough thing because I think he's a not to be mean, a low enough
star that I could well, I actually know it's not gonna be me.
Mark Ruffle does mo cap sometimes, so I bet there'll be some mo cap
Yeah, I think so, maybe not all, but that's some so that
that would make sense. Uh. And then Pedro Pascal of anybody that either
doubts or says we're gonna overexposed one like I I'm not getting that feeling.
And he's also a lot of the things he's in are in smaller roles,
are not the main character. And two like for me what I've read from
me Richards, Like I said before, I feel like Pedro gonna do that
just because he's a great actor. I feel like him and Joseph Quinn,
which I feel like people are kind of backdoor like, those are the two
that you're like, I'm not sure about that. I'm sure in five years
or whenever this happens, people will go back and be like, oh no,
these are actually great guys. Because with Joseph Quinn he was great and
Stranger Things, and I just feel like he's had like because he got really
popper off that I feel like there's been a pushback on him because like he
became so populs It's like, why I don't want them in this? I
don't want this. It's like we've really only seen him and myself personally only
in Stranger Things, and he was great in that. So it's kind of
like I've not seen anything to doubt him. I think backdoor people are just
trying to say, like he's not good looking enough to be Johnny Storm or
charismatic, which I kind of disagree because one, like if you're charismatic enough,
you can elude that, and two I just I get it because like
you have Chris Evans, and you have Michael B. Jordan, and you
have Joseph Quinn who's not like the same like GQ model look, but I
don't know, it is just the same thing with him and Tom Holm.
They're three years apart, like they could be friends, like they're in the
comics. I just go by, are they good actors? Yes, then
I'm happy with that, and these are all four great actors. So the
last question I wanted to ask Oakland I was just gonna say, with Pedro
two, I feel like he's in like how old is he? He's like
forty eight or something. He's in his late forties. Yeah, he's twelve
years older than Kirby. Yeah. So like if this comes out, like
you said, like with the next five years, like if they want to
do any more future projects with them, like they got a strike while the
iron's hot. He's only got so much time on his uh wow, and
his crime gets the fucking deck Ben here, He's gonna be a grandpa here
pretty soon. We can't have grandpa read Richard, Well, I guess you
can. Yeah, it depends what story you want to go with. But
nonetheless I like the cast. And then I was going to ask you this
quickly, and I think I might do a bigger breakdown like a trust told
you. But we're talking about this some discords. So this is now July
twenty fifth. This is two weeks after which, really I think it goes
Superman if Jurassic Role comes out Jurassic World, and then it's Fantastic four.
But the bigger one being you know, it's DC's first superhero versus Marvel's first
family. Do you think that impacts either one and just a quick off top
because this was the discussion joined the discord. That's like what I think has
the overall better performance when all said done, an opening weekend, just like
the Long Legs shot out to the Long Legs movie. We're in a different
world now post Barbenheimer, where sometimes yeah, fucking jamshit next to each other.
If they have some weird delineation, like you know, it could just
be the super fantastic that's what we could call it, where there's like this
summer of these like big blockbusters and people go see all of them. I
don't know, I don't think I'm I don't think I'm worried about it for
anyone in particular. If anything, I think it might be high Tide Rises
all both sort of situation. Of course, it could go the opposite way.
We'll see, but they just both suck. Yeah, and then it's
over. I wonder what the quality will be of those two projects that come
before it in the calendar year. Yes, that's very good, and we
continue that Marvel Bad Streak, Deadpool. It seems like it might be something
that floats above. But if those are bad, which man, I really
hope those two. I mean I said this about I wanted contiment, it'd
be great and all that, but if those two bad, maybe that maybe
that effects it. But I think that affects it more than its proximity to
Superman would be my guess. But I don't know. Yeah, I think
if anything, it'll just boost the two of them. I think if I
have to put my chips on one of the one or the other, I
would say probably Superman. Just because of recent Fantastic four, Yeah hot fresh
like Star Universe reboot, it kind of has that like new car smell,
like, oh, what's this? Even though it's yeah four, it's new
actors, it's still like that it's gonna be the forty eighth movie of the
saga known as MCU, right. And I also feel like because Superman is
just like one of those mains on like the Mount Rushmore of DC, Like
there's just something like we've had We've had a handful already, like you just
in our lifetime of of like reboots of the Superman franchise, and it just
still seems like there is big But I don't know. Numbers obviously top of
my head for like what those those remakes did, But it just seems whenever
there's like a new Superman tale coming out there there is just some buzz just
buzzing around Man of Steel. I saw the budget. I'm like, made
two hundred twenty five million. I'm like, whatever Superman Returns did, didn't
do that well. But this did six hundred and sixty eight million, which
I don't think any Fantastic Four has gotten anywhere, Like, oh year was
that again? That was ten years ago? Now the Cavil one. So
it's very much like the Batman where I know people when that came out,
you're like, oh my god, another Batman movie. But at that point,
it's like it's been over a decade since a solo batmanvie and at this
point for Superman that will be over ten it'll be eleven years since there's been
a solo Superman, which I know people say, oh, Justice League,
this step, but there's still to me a difference of Cavil being in a
movie for an appearance versus this movie is about Superman, and like look at
Fantastic four. That first one two thousand and five made three hundred and thirty
three million. That's in that Spider Man era. So it's like that's where
I'm why I just go to Superman a bit, just because I still feel
like Fantastic four is a bit of the nerd raised out where people always go,
oh, it's Marvel's first family, it's so important. But it's like,
I think a lot of people include myself. Not that I don't give
a ship out Fantastic for but it's lower. But my calendar is Superman legacy
is like quite a bit of a newer cast. I feel like even Superman
himself is like a new actor right where Pedro's established, Kirby's getting more established.
People love Joseph Quinn's Stranger Things. He's gonna be in quiet place.
But then the same point, like I was saying to Mike in the discord,
where if you ask me who's gonna make a better movie between the guy
did WandaVision than the guy who did The Three Guardians, it's like, well
then my money is on James Gun, you know. So that's where and
I think, like Dylan brought up, I won't be able to call it
till it's quick like sooner, because if Cap and Thunderbolts are disappointing, then
I feel like that does set F four off unless it gets delayed, because
this could easily get delayed to November and take the Blade slot. Right,
But if those projects suck, I think it's kind of like what happened with
Antman and Secret Invasion, where people are just like, eh, Deadpool can
be the comeback, but then right away it's like, do they just show
up for those big ones Pool, Avenger or Spider Man again? Right,
and we don't know that. We like same thing with even Thunderbolts and Cap
four. They could be good, but what if they still bowl him too?
Right? What if people are like, eh, I don't care what
Thunderbolts like, this isn't Deadpool, this isn't Hugh Jackman, you know,
and Page's a big star, like bigger start, but I don't know if
he's big, like he's that level where it's gonna for sure be a hit.
But then also Superman, maybe people are like, maybe people aren't done
with Superman. Right, there's always that argument of like this past ten years,
is he is still like an a tier? I still think so,
but is he an a tier? And I think it's really interesting that they're
that close because I think they both have they're not guaranteed hits, and they're
both kind of the start of something new where it's a start of the DCU
and like everyone says, like you gotta get Fantastic four right this time,
like this is your last chance. So they kind of both can't really fail,
which is like gonna be a fun time that month. So I feel
like the Batman's success too kind of makes me, uh, just I don't
know, think more optimistically on the Superman release. It's just with how popular
a that was and how successful that hit, I think that maybe people will
also just have that in the back of their mind and seeing this as like
a fresh fresh start for another big head hauncho of the DC. Yeah DC
name. It's also I don't know, I think, you know, James
Gunn is definitely more of a name was in like the geek culture stuff.
But like the Three Guardians movies, even in an MCU era where things are
looking rough, like Guardians three still did really solid and like critically, like
everyone kind of loves these movies or or enjoys them at the very least,
So I I just don't know if he's that name of a director. Yeople
are all over him in that, but I'm sure his once again. His
stock is rising too as time goes on. So I think for a lot
of people that might even not be DC people, they might be like,
nah, I love the Guardians movies, I should go see this guy's take
on And obviously trailers could change this too in terms of what the tone of
it is and how joky or how serious it is. But yeah, I
don't know's I love Slither. You know people are going to be coming out
for from the director's Lither and super Yeah no, yeah, Mike' said the
same Yeah, Mike said the same thing to you as you did. And
yeah, I'm not saying I think he's like a Nolan. I just think
more in the sense of, like, okay, if if one film ends
up being better and gets talked about, I could see Superman being like the
you know, if you can only see one, what's a person gain say,
like, oh you see Superman? Because MC who knows? Because like,
I love WandaVision but still at issues and it could still connective stuff and
I like it being the sixties. But I also don't know if I need
another story of oh these superheroes you didn't know we're around, We're doing these
things, but they were gone for a while and now they're you know,
like they're like, we got that Captain Marvel, we got that Captain America.
I think there's another one in there, like we don't need the rints
repeat of the same plot point. That's why I'm actually kind of hoping those
rumors up there in an alternate timeline completely and then up in our sacred time.
That's fun because not only are you sixties to current day, sixties to
like current day, and this is a different Tony Stark, this is a
different Captain in America. Like that I think is more intriguing than just that
we've seen the whole Oh what there's you know, you have toasters. Now
you have like I don't need the whole you know you have HDTV TV,
Yeah there's yeah, yeah, Spider Man. Yeah, there's spider people in
the Peruvium. Yeah, Okay, more universe. They're everywhere. Oh I
don't know them, Peter. Anyways, let's get out here. We'll talk
about that more in the coming weeks and more news comes out. We'll get
Tearor's take on too. You at some point let us know what you think.
That's why I joined the discord let us know, thank you very much
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