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The weird thing that happened in Weird, Weird Weird. Welcome to a special

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episode of Bledsoe Said So, Episode
one thirty four. I'm gonna just let

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it. Uh. Nick couldn't be
here with us today. It was just

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a kind of an impromptu thing.
My brother happened to be in town,

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so we're like, dang, well, we got to record. But Nick's

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not in town, so he will
be missed. He's with us in spirit.

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Today we have my brother and our
first ever Bledsoe guest, Jeremy Van

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Bledsoe a ka Monkey d Loofy.
I'm here into his That's what I'm saying.

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Dude, what's up? What's up
with you? Pretty good? Living

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the dream, living life, enjoying
life, working, working out and playing

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golf. Hell yeah, just live, just doing and doing what I normally

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do. Yeah, we've been hitting
some golf lately, more so you than

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me, but more so me than
you for sure. But that's just what

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I've been up to. Yeah,
and yeah, relationship, traveling, work,

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chilling, chilling, hacking, doal
pickle chips, That's what I'm talking

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about, bro. Yeah, I
love my Dill pickle chips. So I

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wanted to I don't think you've been
on since like the book and all this

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other stuff has come out, So
I wanted to kind of generally talk about

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that. But like our little family
has taken a crazy turn in the last

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year and a half, you know, far stuff has been happening. Yeah,

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so I have to say, like, you've read the book, yep,

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right, So what was it like
for you? I mean they noticed

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like for me, But what was
it like for you when you know the

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book came out, like the feelings
you had inside, you know, all

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of it, the whole experience it
was. It was surreal for sure,

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because like I didn't I wasn't the
first to read it. I was probably

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the last. And uh, it
wasn't a matter of just apprehension. It

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was just life catching me by the
rains, new work responsibilities that the year

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turned over. So my work it's
really busy as the year turns over.

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And uh, maybe it was like
a little bit of delay that just maybe

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like a mental block thing, and
maybe I was just ready. It was

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gonna read it whenever I was ready
to read it. But I'm glad I

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did when I did, because it
it hit pretty hard. There were some

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parts that were like like about me. You know, it's kind of hard

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to read, but not you know, I powered through it, and it

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was It was freaking much better than
I thought it was gonna be honest,

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for sure, it was really well
written. Like I just growing up,

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I'm like, ah, you know, my dad doesn't write a book.

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Cool, I've been hearing it for
ten years and then and I'm thinking,

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like it it can't be that good. But then I read it and to

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be sure, it was that good. Yeah. I remember those like when

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when Dad signed the contract and it
was like, oh wow, this is

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real, like he's going to write
a book, right, And I was

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kind of like having Dad send me
the chapters as he was writing them,

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and I remember when I read the
first chapter, I was like, dang,

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it's going to be like that,
like this this is going to be

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a hit, you know. And
I remember like reading some of those early

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chapters a year before the book was
published and just having tears in my eyes,

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like this is gonna this is going
to change the world. Remember I

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read the first chapter and then I
didn't read the others, just the first

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one when he sent it, because
you know, he would send all of

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them. But I kind of purposely
didn't want to read it before it came

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out, because I wanted to just
experience it as it came out when it

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was what was whole, I suppose, But you know, going through it,

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I probably could have. I probably
should have read it, especially about

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the parts that were about me,
so I could have proved it about myself.

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Not to say I disagreed with any
of it, but like, there's

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probably some things I might have said
differently about myself, you know, Like

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but other than that, I thought
it was spot on for sure. It

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was really good. Yeah. I
thought it depicted the like it depicted what

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happened in a light that's palatable for
pretty much the general audience, because you

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know, growing up, I didn't
think the book would be interesting because I

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existed in it, you know,
it was I I was there. So

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I'm like, well, you know
I've already I've already so to speak,

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readit, you know, So it's
I just did I didn't. I don't

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know, I'm not trying to sound
like a hater, but like I just

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I just like, how can I
how can it be that good to you?

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Right? And then like I was
very pleasantly surprised whenever I read it,

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it was great. No, I
always I always figured it would be

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good, just because you know,
our dad wrote it. But then actually

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reading the book, it's like,
oh my god, this is really good.

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Yeah, I know exactly what you're
saying. Like, I had these

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same thoughts, yea, and I
was very pleasantly surprised. And I wonder

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if it's also like, uh,
like maybe it's also part of the trauma

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of thinking like nothing good could happen
to us, right, this can't be

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good. And then it was and
a lot of things, a lot of

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good has come as a result of
it too. Yeah, you know.

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So it's it's pretty nice to have
in my back pocket too. Hey my

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dad's an author. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, oh, I tell

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people all the time, my middle
name and my last name are two very

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renowned authors, Dickens and bloodsoe you
know, Charles Dickens and Chris Botze.

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Yes, we are on the same
family tree as Charles Dickens, very distantly.

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But yeah, so I wanted to
ask you, like, how has

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your life been impacted by and or
changed from and since the book? Because

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it came out what last February,
So it's been this next month will be

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a year. A year, that's
crazy. February nineteenth. I think I

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would think it's It's not like I
mean, I've not had people come up

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and talk to me or anything like
that. It's not like that. But

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I think it's just mental clarity,
maybe just the the curse, so to

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speak, being lifted from yourself,
the curses that we apply to ourselves,

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you know, just kind of like
a reducing the weight on my shoulder.

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It's kind of like reducing a burden
because when you internalize something for so long

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and you feel like people can't really
relate or stair stand due, but now

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there are people out there who do. It's almost like a maybe it's a

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placebo effect. I don't know,
because I'm not even talked to people about

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it, but just knowing that other
people were able to experience it through the

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lens of the book kind of takes
the pressure off. I totally get it,

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if that makes sense, Yeah,
because it's knowing that for the first

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time there's like a condensed version of
the story that people can read and digest

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in the comments and the feedback.
Yeah, Dad's book was basically going viral.

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I mean, it was like out
of the thirty million plus books on

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Amazon, Dads was in like the
top one thousand out of thirty plus million

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books. I mean, it was
a crazy hit, dude, it was.

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It was selling out an Amazon's presses. Did you know that? M

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hm? They had to like go
go for several reprint prints because it was

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selling and and and and the point
of that not to talk about sales,

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but the point of it is to
just say, like, Dad saw a

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huge overwhelming positive feedback, positive reception, positive success from it, and like

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that has trickled to us. Yeah, and I think he needs that more

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than we do. Like, yeah, he needed that. I mean,

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like the the energy of it,
the attitude about it has has definitely shifted

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its trickle to us. Oh yeah, and I don't like it. Yeah,

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it feels good. It's dope,
man. I'll be handing out copies

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no, yeah, yeah, I
mean I don't have copies to hand out,

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but I you know, whenever people
are interested, I wish I had

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one to give them, but you
know, I don't. But I've tried

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to do that with some friends and
Dad was like, no, I'm gonna

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I gotta save these and give them
to some other people. So I'll have

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to get my own, you know, and so I can hand them to

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my friends at home, but then
again I just make them buy it.

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Yeah, him, Yeah, twenty
bucks, You've got it. It's been,

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it's been. It's been a blessing
for sure. Very nice. Yeah,

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very wary, And some amazing developments
came around since the book has come

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out. I mean, our lives
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actually a month before the book released
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last January. Uh, we filmed
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wanted to kind of get into that
too, but like where, Uh,

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it's the same question, like how
how how do you feel about that?

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How has your life changed since that? You know, uh, the History

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now again, it's kind of like
the similar vibe, like you know,

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I'm not nothing, no direct impacts. I think change happens over time.

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You know, unless you win the
lottery then you're a millionaire overnight potentially,

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but that's not the case in this
The wealth of I've accumulated as a result

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of all that stuff is just stress
relief, like reduction and anxiety and maybe

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even like an an increase in confidence
in myself and like just accepting who seeing

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widespread acceptance helps me accept it better, Not to say I don't I didn't

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accept it. It was just more
so I internalized and repressed and just hid

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that part of my life. But
as a result of all of that,

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like I found a new girlfriend that's
brilliant into it all, I've seen great

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Like stuff at work has popped off
in a way. This positioned me.

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I'm positioned to grow within my my
career and growing like technically with my technical

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specifications and just getting stronger and more
equipped to do more difficult tasks at work.

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So just it just like I've had
nothing but positives. Yeah, so

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you're saying so like since all this
stuff has come out, not that it

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directly impacted you know, your career
and things like that, but you're saying

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you've noticed a positive mental effect that's
allowed you to I think that's the greatest

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wealth is your perspective. Yeah,
I mean money is money, like that's

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whatever, And I can buy you
things, which is not like you know,

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money can buy can put a down
payment on happiness, that is what

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people tell me, Like it can
put a down payment on happiness. You

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can go buy a car with money, But you can't buy peace and joy

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with money, at least I can't. So it's uh, yeah, the

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perspective shift is what led to the
greatest growth in my life. So I

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wonder, do you do you want
to talk a little bit about how you

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were portrayed in the book? Like
sure? So obviously if they're listening,

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chances are they've most likely read it. And if you guys recall when when

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all this you know, UFO stuff
started happening. Me and Jeremy were in

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high school at the time. I
believe Chris Junior was out of high school

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by the time it aired. He
was he was eighteen years old. When

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when the when the initial documentary aired
and went public and Jeremy, Jeremy had

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a little bit of a hard time. You know. The way Dad portrayed

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it was basically, you know,
you ran away from it. He said,

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I turned my back, and I
was like, yeah, And I

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guess that's how you can say it. But it's not that simple. It's

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not like from his perspective, I
can see why he would say that.

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But from my perspective is I was
just trying to I'm trying to find my

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place in the world, Like I'm
just turning twenty years old or like eighteen

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nineteen twenty, getting into that area, and it's like, that's about the

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time where I have to start looking
at my future, looking trying to build

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position myself. Like it was normal
time for a kid to go to college,

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that's all it was, right.
I was college age. I went

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to college, and of course I
wanted to go outside of Fayetteville. Who

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doesn't want to go move out of
home and experience life outside of the Uh,

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the the graphs of their parents were
like the oversight of their parents.

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You know. I wanted to go
out and be on my own person.

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So went to college at UNCW,
got my accounting degree, and you know,

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pursue my education after that, find
a career, and just establish myself

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in this world as an independent normal
like just not normal, but like human

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that is productive and become very proud
of but not sufficient self sufficient. I'm

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independent, not to say that I
turn my back on all of it,

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but I had to digest it and
internalize it and move about my life the

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way that I only knew how to
do. Right. But I could see

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why Dad thought that yeah, well
yeah, I mean there was a time

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in Dad's life where at some point, you know, it's like the default

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assumption. Yeah, if you don't
get what you want, like you don't

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get that validation you receive. It's
like, okay, it's black or white.

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You either love it or you don't. Either for it or you're not.

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And like that's in heightened anxiety,
Like that's where our mind's minds are

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more black and white and a heightened
elevated emotional states, you know what I

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mean. Yeah, and those can
persist over many, many years. So

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no, I get it. I
get why. Well, yeah, I

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was just gonna say, there was
a time in Dad's life where, you

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know, not us, we were
children, but like everybody in his life,

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especially when this stuff was going down, everybody did turn their backs on

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that way. Genuinely they did so, Like I personally could see why in

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Dad's perspective, you know, you
going away and not really always wanting to

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deal with this stuff, which is
totally fair. Man. We were kids,

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and it's like, dude, you
can't imagine how hard it is going

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on a date and being like,
yeah, my family's famous for UFOs.

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It's tough. Believe believe us.
It's tough, you know, and it's

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it's a big You took my route, which was you know, oh my

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god, I'm obsessed with this stuff
and I'm all in it, and then

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you took Jeremy's route, like god, I just want a normal life for

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a minute, and I could.
I could breathe, yeah, breathe and

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not be known for that, and
under that like a thumb squishing you down,

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and I could see why Dad felt
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But like that, I always knew
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I mean, we were having experiences
together. And it's funny though,

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because like you know, going on
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date and just trying like, hey, tell me about yourself. Oh Dadsy's

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aliens and they're either like what or
like holy shit, okay take me home.

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You know this is ye this,
I'm not about this. So it's

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it's it's hard to it's hard to
gauge reactions like how you would get that,

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But eventually it's just like like,
yeah, you know, a UFO

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kid, I call myself the UFO
prince. I wouldn't one of the UFO

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princes. That's funny, am I
one? Yeah? Sweet? And Emily

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is the UFO princess. So Dad's
the UFO King. Yeah, but like,

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I'm not trying to sell anything here, I'm just you know, it's

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just that's my first time hearing that. Yeah. No, I've been saying

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that for a little bit, but
yeah, I just I just excuse me.

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I just accepted it and just you
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and the book and the podcast and
a lot of like a lot of what's

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come as a result of all that
has helped me get to that point.

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And then I'm like, you know, I find myself in positions where I

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talk to people and they crave it. They want it bad, they want

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to know so bad, especially after
these recent media pushes. And now I'm

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like, okay, hold on,
I've heard this story a thousand times.

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I've told it a handful of times. But now, you know, if

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I want to, if I want
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it, I just to defer him
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or like episodes of your podcasts the
History Channel are just like, hey,

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here's a book, you know,
yeah, consume it. It's nice.

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It'll do all that before me.
It's really nice. I don't have to

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butcher the story. So it's n
it's it's really cool. It's really cool

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now. I just wanted to get
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read the book and then has seen
you for the first time since I just

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wanted to clarify, like, no, no, no, no, no,

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Jeremy. Jeremy was having experiences the
whole time. He was just like

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any other kid who has a traumatic
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children, you know, and he
I think some people just cope with things

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in different ways. And I think
for you, it was just easier to

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get away from it all so that
you could think clearly, you know,

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about your life and and that's completely
respectful and fine. You know. I

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just wanted to, uh, thanks, talk about that. But things are

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different now. I mean we're kind
of like all into it. And I

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wanted to say this man, and
you can comment on this, you know

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who I've seen the biggest change in
his mom. Yeah, true, it's

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crazy. Mom is making jokes about
being an alien. I know, she's

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kind of like going full circle into
it. She's the Queen UFO. It's

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pretty wild, isn't it. Yeah, it is. It's awesome. Yeah,

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it's definitely a relief because it's like
there's no more friction, or it's

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not that there's nearly as much friction
around it all as it used to be.

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What can people say when the book
is doing well and we have these

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TV appearances and what are they are
they still gonna say, Oh, you're

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you're you're lying, You're like really, I mean, we got all these

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people investigating us and stuff. It
has an impact on people. They don't

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really speak up so much anymore.
Have you noticed mm hmm mm hmm.

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Mom gets to say my husband's an
author. It's pretty sweet. Yeah,

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it's pretty good for her. Yeah, sure, it's definitely here the family

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members making little jokes or hear them
do do stuff like what is it like

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the typical alien noise? They do
that to you or something that you They

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never did that to me really,
yeah, and like oh funny, let's

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go back to like mess on my
phone or something people did that to you.

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Yeah, nobody ever did that to
me. That's messed up. I

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know see that I would be running
away too. Yeah, just it was

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hard to and I got your older
cousins and ship. It's like disrespectfulness.

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It's kind of hard to People are
cruel. Man, They're savage. People

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in this world are vicious, cruel
when you when you you know, when

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you go through something and and you
truly are on the bottom and you're suffering

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like we did, and then like
to see how people come in and treat

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you, It's it's really eye opening, like how evil people can be.

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But I have to say, man, like our little family's doing all right.

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We're doing all right with all this
stuff, and it's pretty freaking sweet.

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all this stuff that's that's coming out.

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And I was just gonna say,
we're all on board with it.

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And and you know, we were
hanging out with Dad. We're we're having

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our crazy or sightings and seeing stuff
and and it's pretty wild. But I

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wanted to talk about like some of
the recent sightings we had had. Uh

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huh. You know, I can't
remember the last time that you and I

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were there together, but I know
since you've been on the podcast last we've

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had half a dozen nights where we've
seen some pretty crazy things. A few

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years. I felt like, are
you hearing some change rather not you I

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was on last year. No,
I don't think you were. I think

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it was the year before. Yeah, Yeah, it's been a while,

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so year and some change. Okay, any of those experiences between now and

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then that have stood out to you, I'm trying to. Yeah, I

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mean, like, honestly, one
of the more recent ones, it was

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you weren't even there, stuck out. It was just me, Dad,

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pretty sure, Josh was Josh was
there, that's right, Yeah, our

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cousin Josh. Yeah, and stuff
just sparking, sparkling throughout the sky and

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doing its own, you know,
doing what it normally does. And you

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know, I'm the one that's I'm
I'm I'm I lack expression sometimes, you

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know, I'm I'm the I feel
like I'm the hardest to impress. Mom's

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the hardest to impress. Yeah,
but I'm I'm up there with her.

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But I'm not a skeptic, don't
get me wrong. I'm just you know,

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desensitized, cool dope, you know. But then sometimes I'm like,

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holy shit, what what is that? And I had some of those moments

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with Dad and Josh, our cousin. Christmas, it was yeah, is

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there a Christmas? Yeah? This
Christmas night? Yeah, Christmas night,

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And that was fun. You know. There have been a few nights where

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when I'm by myself, I don't
spend much time outside. I'm playing games,

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you know, or watching the piece, or watching the piece with my

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roommate. One piece, yeah,
one pieces, watch it, Alex Dragon

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Wazie and we'll get you on it. But no, I think that like

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the the most entertaining, the fun
and the fun sightings that I have,

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definitely when we're with everybody. Yeah, Dad, obviously, you know that's

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just like that's just like his hobby
every night for Dad. Yeah, he

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sees him every night if it's not
cold or cloudy, cloudy or well cloudy

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now too, but rainy. You
don't even want to go out when it's

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cloudy really, yeah, but generally
colder and he bombs and stuff. But

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yeah, no, for sure.
But you know, especially with Little Teddy,

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I spend a lot of times,
a lot of a lot of time

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just watching his videos he puts,
he tags us in on on Instagram.

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Watch those and some of those are
crazy. I like seeing well. I

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always enjoy whenever satellites come by and
people are like, dang, miss Chris,

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what is that And He's like,
oh satellite, yeah, and they're

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like, oh okay. He's always
honest about this. You know he's not

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playing games. Oh no, that's
SpaceX, Like, oh, okay,

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cool, that's a funny story.
Man. I'm not going to say any

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names here, but we have an
uncle who you know what I'm about to

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say, who notoriously is like boo
to the UFO stuff. He's a hater.

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Yeah, we love him to death. Not like hater in the mean

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sense, but hater just because about
the UFO st. He has his convictions,

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right, he can't believe it.
It's evil. Yeah, Jesus didn't

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dine on the planets kind of thing. And he's always been very vocal like

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it's wrong, Like you'd be shocked
at how people are just willing to speak

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up and tell you your life is
a lie and you're living in sin and

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blah blah blah because you see things. And recently he called my dad freaking

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out. Our dad obviously, Chris, Chris, I'm seeing something in the

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sky. I'm seeing something in the
sky. And Dad was like, yeah,

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it's SpaceX. Talk about like irony. You know, it's just the

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one time he ever called and it
was it was a subtlee. I thought

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that was so funny, SpaceX.
This is ironic. So what happened that

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night with you and Josh? Describe
what you saw. Oh, I think

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I don't remember if we were with
Emily or not. Maybe not. It

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was Christmas Eve, by the way, now that I think about it,

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yeah, Christmas Eve, and we
were just Josh came over an eighteen year

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old cousin and uh, it's me
Dad, Josh and I think Emily,

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I'm not sure. And we were
just standing outside when we're normally staying and

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you know, just the move was
there and we were just looking around and

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seeing things move about the sky.
And then me and Josh are just I'm

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just glad. I I have a
a focused problem. I'm looking around everywhere

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all the time, people walking and
I'm looking at things, looking at people,

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looking at I'm just I barely pay
attention and just looking up, just

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talking to Josh. He's sitting right
beside me, and I'm like, yeah,

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blah blah blah. And then something
shoots across the sky. But it's

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not like a normal like you know, just moving across the sky. That

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thing blistered like gone, and it's
like you can you know, we spent

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a lot of time looking at the
sky. So when you see like a

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or a comment, whatever you kind
of have, you get you get good

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identifying those types of things and differentiating
them between what you're what you can't really

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identify so or not other day you
can't, but things that are unidentified rather,

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you know. And it was like
green and kind of like orange yellow

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logan like it normally does. And
it had it had a nice streak it

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left too, and it was more
than just two to three seconds. It

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was just I, you know,
I could process like I was processing it

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as I see it normally when I
see a comments out of the corner of

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my eye and I look at it
for half a second and like boom is

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gone. But that was present.
It was there. It was It was

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momentous, Yeah, it was.
It lingered and uh, I couldn't tell

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you the direction it was going,
but it just flew across the sky.

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It was really cool and and and
and normally it's I always find it weird

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because, like like I said a
comment, I never I'm never looking this

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guy and I see something move in
my fobial vision. It's always I see

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it in my peripheral and I take
the others of it and then I and

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then I glance at it, right, but this just happened in my like

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in my eyes, you know what
I mean? Dead on, dead on.

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Yeah, as I was looking at
it, I was focusing in the

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like at the spot that it happened. As it happened, has an experience

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like a rocket taking Josh really yeah, a really fast freaking rocket. Do

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So, how was Josh reacting?
Josh? I mean, he's also lack.

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He's not very expressive, like I
feel like he's a he's a he's

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a he's a thinker. I feel
like, yeah, he can, he

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analyzes, and I'm pretty sure he
was pretty much like honestly, when it

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all happen, Dad like kind of
started talking and like what what y'all see

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you in? Emily's like where is
it? Was it? I was like,

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it is right there? And then
Josh was kind of like chiming in,

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not like super excited, like that's
not how he is. He's chill,

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He's chill, but he was.
He thought it was really cool,

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awesome, very He's very inquisitive about
it all and talks of Dad and asks

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and talks and asks. Josh is
our eighteen year old cousin. Shout out

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Josh He's very special to us,
and his mother is my dad's younger sister.

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And that was his first time skywatching
with us ever as far as I

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know, and you know, since
he was an adult and he's got his

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own vehicle now. He drove out
and hung out and he had been.

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It was Christmas Eve and we were
at a family party and I got to

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talking with him and I was like, Bro, we're gonna be hanging out

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tonight if you want to come,
and Josh was like, yeah, I

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honestly really want to see some morebs. I was like, really, yeah,

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come over tonight. So that was
kind of yeah, and it was

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kind of profound that we got to
have that experience with him, you know,

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because typically we don't have these experiences
with family because typically family has been

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the haters. Yeah, so it
was pretty cool that we got to have

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that moment with him. It was
very special. And I ended up showing

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up late. I wasn't there at
the moment you were skywatching with then loss,

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Yeah, exactly. It's funny talk
about like families being the haters.

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It's like they don't necessarily hate more
or less than the other people. It's

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just there's cut deeper yeah, because
we're stuck with them. Not that I

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don't want to be stuck with them, it's just the reality of the situation.

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You're You're with your family your whole
life. Yeah, love my family,

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and family will sometimes slit your throat
worse than anybody. They go for

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blood and they get away with it. Yeah yeah, yeah, But enough

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about the negative stuff. That's wild. Man. I'm glad y'all had that

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experience. I wanted to. You
may have told this before on the podcast,

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but it was probably years ago if
you did, and that's okay,

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listeners have probably long forgotten. And
this is an instance in the book that

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I wanted to rehash with you,
and maybe a could jock your memory in

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different ways. But let's talk about
that day back in like two thousand and

409
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.000
eight or nine. We're kids.
I'm fourteen, you're fifteen. It's the

410
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.359
last day of summer, and we're
gonna go knee boarding at the river.

411
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:57.960
That was in the book. Yeah, Okay, that wasn't. I'm pretty

412
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.359
sure yeah it was. It was, so what happened, I was,

413
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:10.960
uh, I gotta think it was
uh. It was in the red room,

414
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:17.000
yep, and I was sitting on
a couch against the back wall of

415
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.440
that room. Mind you, the
room is lined well, mind the audience.

416
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:23.119
The room is lined with mirrors,
like every two feet there's a mirror

417
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:29.400
window outside window window. It was
almost like a sun room without the mirror,

418
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.440
the windows at the time, the
skyroof or whatever. Right, you

419
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.160
know what I'm saying. Right,
it was Dad's like man cave. We

420
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.160
called the red Room. The walls
were red painted, it brown painted it

421
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.680
brown. It was the red room
because it was brown for the past few

422
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.079
years. But anyway, we were
sitting down watching some TV. I don't

423
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:48.640
know, and I was sitting with
my mom. She was probably like I'm

424
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.799
sitting at the end of the couch. Mom's sitting like right here. I'm

425
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:53.839
probably just you know, I'm I
was always close to my mom, so

426
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.839
I was like leaning on her,
hugging or whatever, and I'm watching the

427
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:03.640
TV, just zoned in on Stargate
SG one, you know, and Mom

428
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.759
is, look, I don't know
what she was doing, but she was

429
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.359
just being a d D or whatever, just looking around, not paying attention

430
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.599
to Stargate sc one because god forbid, Mom's not gonna watch that. But

431
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.559
she I think it was over y'all's
heads. Yeah, I was. I

432
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.759
was on the couch across from you, and behind my head was windows,

433
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.599
so it was behind my head.
Yeah, And then you know, I

434
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.680
didn't see it straight on. I
remember how I talked about peripheral versus the

435
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.680
fobial. This was in my peripheral, but it was in Mom's fouvial.

436
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.920
She made eye contact with it.
She's the one that can tell you the

437
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.160
facial features and the eyes and like
what it looked, like, what it

438
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.000
was doing. You know, I
just saw it out of the corner.

439
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:53.119
But I saw it is a I
think it was. I was just watching

440
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:59.119
TV and something popped into the mirror
to my right window window. Dang it,

441
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.880
it's just those two works right left
mirror window, Tomato Tomato. But

442
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:10.799
looked through the window. Something popped
into the window and I looked over and

443
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.599
by the time I looked, it
had already disappeared. But I was like,

444
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.079
hey, guys, did somebody just
pop their head through the window.

445
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:25.079
And Mom looked at me and she
was like, did you see that too?

446
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:26.599
I was like, heck, yeah, I saw that. What was

447
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.160
that? Who was that? She
was like, I don't know, and

448
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.119
she started freaking out and basically made
Ryan and I go outside and like scour

449
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.279
the house and like look around.
We had neighbors that might have sometimes would

450
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.480
pull up and knock on our back
doors, like dad's old childhood friends,

451
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.359
you know, like best friends growing
up would come over, Hey, Chris,

452
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.839
you know got a cigarette? Like
yeah here, sure, or something

453
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.279
like that. You know, but
that wasn't the case because we looked everywhere

454
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.920
and like the time that we caught
it, there's no way those old men

455
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.640
could have just like ran. Well. Remember the main thing that freakd mom

456
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.599
Ount so bad is the house was
on a slab. Yeah, the platform

457
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.720
it was on like a like the
window, That's what I'm saying. I'm

458
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.839
getting to that. It was like, there's no way it could have been

459
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:14.559
any one of our friends from the
area. Like also because the base of

460
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.960
that window was touching seven foot tall
and none of us are Whatever looked through

461
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.519
that window had to be seven or
eight foot tall. It was very tall

462
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.720
because you know, houses back up
into the past ten years were built on

463
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.279
a two to two and a half
foot foundation and you put the pipes in

464
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:36.680
like the potentially the AC systems underneath
or the plumbing underneath the wiring underneath and

465
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:37.359
you had to carl it. But
you know, they don't do that anymore.

466
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.920
But that was the case with our
house, and that that joker was

467
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:48.680
just staring through the window and it
was rainy. Glad I see I did.

468
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.880
I couldn't make that connection because it
was but I saw it and it

469
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.200
was like almost like a like a
brownish, like a darker color. So

470
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.680
my mind, I'm like, oh, body cool. And then Mom was

471
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.400
like, no, sir, go
outside now. And I'm like, but

472
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:04.720
Mom, it's raining, I don't
want to go outside. She's a gross

473
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.720
side. So we go outside.
We look around and to be sure there's

474
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:12.799
nobody out there. But something made
eye contact with Mom. But I'll never

475
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:19.920
forget that because of how like pale
she was. She was terrified. Yeah,

476
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.599
and of course Dad starts laughing at
her. That was right before the

477
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.319
Dac Manry came out. Yeah,
like just a few months. Yeah.

478
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:33.759
What would you say in your experience
in the last seventeen years, what would

479
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:41.400
you say has been your most you
could say like profound or impactful experience Hmmm,

480
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:52.640
some of them like personal experiences,
probably not none that I've shared with

481
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.920
people, or none that I've publicly
spoke about that were pretty impactful. That

482
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.720
would kind of just remind me that
I'm gonna be all right regardless of what

483
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.880
social factors or environmental factors or are
or like external forces are pressing against me.

484
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:14.680
I'm gonna be all right. But
things like that would happen, that

485
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.119
would I That's what I would Those
are the conclusions I would draw based off

486
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.160
the experiences that I had in that
moment. It was kind of like going

487
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.880
to church on Sunday, You're like, oh, reset, not gonna send

488
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.279
them for the next two days or
three days, you know what I mean.

489
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.599
Friday comes along, I'm drinking,
you know what I mean, and

490
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:30.720
then go out to Sunday. Then
you're clean. But no, it was

491
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.559
it was kind of like that where
it's like I would have I would be

492
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.920
really down and out and then something
would happen and it would be like a

493
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.480
reset, Like I'll be It would
remind me that things would be like things

494
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.079
are gonna be okay. Like at
unc when I was here at UNCW my

495
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.680
first or second semester, I was
living alone, and I'm pretty sure some

496
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.599
I was visited at my bedside.
Yeah, yeah, I saw them tell

497
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.599
me about it. They were like
I didn't see their faces, but I

498
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.160
could see them at my bed and
I I would wake I will, I

499
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.319
woke up and look. I was
looking at like their torsos. And I

500
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.680
was petrified because I was like,
somebody is leaning over me right now,

501
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.920
and it was, and I could
hear it in my head and it was

502
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:21.440
and it kind of reminded me of
Mom, like that kind of warm providing

503
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.519
presence saying you're gonna be all right. So I just went bad to sleep.

504
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.920
This is my first time hearing of
this. Yeah, it was.

505
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.400
It was. I kept that one
to myself, but they were there.

506
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.519
I somebody might say it was sleep
process. I wouldn't know. I've never

507
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.279
it's never happened to me before.
It's never happened again, nothing of that

508
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.119
magnitude. But well, yeah,
I don't think you, being in the

509
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.920
position that you're in and with the
reputation that we have, I don't think

510
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.559
you need to try to like logic
away what it could have been. I've

511
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.559
seen them at the foot of my
bed, Emily has seen them in her

512
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.599
room, Junior has seen them in
his room. Dad has seen them in

513
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.519
his room. So I think you
probably saw them in your room. They

514
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.160
were. It was in Wilmington.
I have not been like in a situation

515
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.680
like that where I'm like sleeping and
I wake up and see them. But

516
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.680
I have had nights where I'm trying
to fall asleep, Genny's in bed beside

517
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.079
me, and I just have an
active mind and I'm not like seeing anything,

518
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.159
but I'm feeling their presence and I
feel something touching me. I don't

519
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.159
seething, felt it on my back, like feel them touched as if Mom

520
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.360
was like whispering in my ear like
You're all right, honey, don't worry

521
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.159
about it. You're gonna be good. And to be sure, I was,

522
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.159
I was ump done all right.
But yeah, that was probably the

523
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:35.679
most, uh, the single most
impactful like moment regarding this phenomenon for me.

524
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.840
Wow. That and the woman my
friend in the car with Roger and

525
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.280
he was like the fuck was that? Like that one after that concert?

526
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.840
Yeah? And Raleigh. That was
a big one because it was just somebody

527
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.039
that I had with me that had
he had a clue because I'm like,

528
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.159
yeah, you know, UFO is
my dad, and they're like, oh

529
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:59.079
cool, all right. So the
Lakers, you know, just start talking

530
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:05.199
about like basketball stuff or football,
and he was like, I'm pretty sure

531
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.239
I just saw something I'm not supposed
to see. And I was like,

532
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.280
hell, yeah you did, Yeah
you did, dude. So that was

533
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.280
pretty impactful because it was just who
was with me, but not yeah,

534
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.559
that's just in recent years. But
the one with like the bedside for frame

535
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.920
of reference, it was about the
time when Papa passed away. I don't

536
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.599
know if it was before or after, it was just in that time frame,

537
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.840
so like twenty thirteen ish, uh
huh, yeah, yeah, because

538
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.880
it had just gotten to Wilmington,
like twenty twelve or so. Yeah,

539
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.960
because I was living by myself and
I only lived by myself for one year

540
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.320
there and then after that I lived
with my best friend for until I moved

541
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.960
out from mont So can you walk
me through that? Just the feeling part

542
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.880
of it. The experience started off
and you were petrified and then it changed

543
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.679
into this loving feeling and then ended
up being one of the most impactful.

544
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.239
Well yeah, I mean, like
imagine and just waking up in your room

545
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.840
and something things are there staring at
you. For me, I think it

546
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.480
was two. Okay, I couldn't
say I couldn't have my awareness, but

547
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:15.400
I was so in that moment,
so scared because you know something about me.

548
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.280
When I wake up, I'm in
I'm in Jerry Jeremy Land. Like

549
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.800
I don't. I'm delirious half the
time. And so when I woke up

550
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.639
and I say that to say like
I woke up, I was like my

551
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.199
mind started running soon as I woke
up, because I was like, I

552
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.360
feel a presence. I feel more
than one presence. Am I going crazy?

553
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.239
Am I delirious? What's going on? No? I'm not, because

554
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.800
I not only do I feel them, I see them and I hear them.

555
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.039
And then they started talking, like
not talking like blah blah blah blah,

556
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:45.199
but more so like conveying messages into
my brain. And they passed by

557
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:52.000
me and then I kind of just
sunk down. Passed all my exams,

558
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.159
which is great. And it was
just like I said, it was just

559
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:02.320
a warm, soothing presence. But
I wasn't made aware of the kind of

560
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.280
presence it was until they provided me
with that information. But at first it

561
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.920
was me analyzing, like, oh
shit, there's something in here I need,

562
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.360
Like I could be they could they
could try and kill me. It

563
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.719
could be people with guns or knives, or whatever. I don't know,

564
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.079
So that's what that was. I
was scared for my life. I didn't

565
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:24.079
know what it was that was.
I was in presence with and then after

566
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:32.360
being pacified and then thinking about comfort
day comforted, thank you keep saying passified,

567
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.519
and like after after that, after
I woke up the next day,

568
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.400
I could think about it. And
I'm pretty sure I called Dad or I

569
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:44.760
called mom within a couple of days
and I told them. But yeah,

570
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.800
no, I kept that one largely
to myself. But now I was probably

571
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.880
one of the most scared I've ever
been. Like, I was so scared

572
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.880
I couldn't move. I've never been
like that. That's how it was at

573
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.880
the time. I think that's amazing
because like this would have been the time

574
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:04.039
in your life where like as the
book mentions that you were like running away

575
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.000
from it all, you know.
And I think maybe the reader reads that

576
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.239
and they're like, oh, wow, Chris's kids, you know, they

577
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:13.639
weren't all into it. But that's
not the case. We were all into

578
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.559
it. We weren't all into the
vicious hate and negativity we were receiving from

579
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.320
people, and we're wanting to get
away from that. But what's crazy is

580
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.679
you know, while Jeremy's gone on
his character arc. And as you know,

581
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.920
if anybody knows you, for the
most part, it's going to be

582
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.360
bled So Satso or the book right
as far as your public appearances. But

583
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.880
we're learning here. I'm learning I
didn't know about this experience. I've never

584
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.880
heard of this story at all.
This is shocking to me. This is

585
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.920
the reality of what's happening when you're
running away from it all. You're really

586
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.119
not running away from it all.
You're just going to your solitude so that

587
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.119
you can try to my fortress.
Yeah, your fortress, solitude, but

588
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.840
but you're having experiences in your bedroom. It's kind of like poetry, you

589
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.239
know, like you never got away
from it. Man, No, you

590
00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:00.960
you just thought that you just needed
a break. I wanted to be in

591
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:05.800
a place where nobody kne who I
was. Yeah, so I could define

592
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.760
like I could not only because I
barely knew what I who were, what

593
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.559
what I was because after that,
un well, dang, I'm not some

594
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.920
little normal little kid that goes to
church and prays and goes to school,

595
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.639
gets a job, gets a wife, you know, does all this like

596
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.199
I'm the u FO prince or one
of them. I like that, you

597
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.760
know, so you know that's that's
kind of relatively new. It's been like

598
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.000
within the last year. I've been
saying it, but I think it's because

599
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.159
of the book. No less,
Yeah, it probably is. That's awesome.

600
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.480
The prince one of the princes,
but no, it's I guess that'd

601
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.400
be Chrisopher. He would be the
prince. He's first in the line.

602
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.199
Yeah, he was there the original
night. Yeah, he's he deserves that

603
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.840
for sure. We can be like
the Duke's or something. Yeah. Well,

604
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.480
no, we're just prince to the
lords, you know, We're just

605
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.239
not next in line. Yeah,
Christopher is anyway, what was your question?

606
00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.480
I don't think I had a question. I was just commenting how awesome

607
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.360
that is. Like from the listener, I'm just trying to paint a picture

608
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.079
for them to understand you and your
position, and you're placing all this.

609
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:07.760
I mean, they've seen me one
hundred plus episodes, but I'm not the

610
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.320
only one that's been dealing with this
stuff, you know. I just think

611
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.639
it's crazy that even in your time, when you're like going away, you're

612
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.320
still having experiences in your bedroom a
tonight. So you have told that about

613
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:22.079
that experience maybe, but who knows, maybe I have who knows if he

614
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.159
listens, if he remembered rather he
definitely listens, and he definitely listens.

615
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:30.280
Yeah, he listens. But it's
been so that's been ten ten eleven twelve

616
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.280
years, so not twelve but ten
eleven years. So it's's many, so

617
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.719
much, so many things happen,
Like obviously it happened to me. Is

618
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.079
impacted me the most, So I'm
gonna remember that. You know, Dad

619
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.800
sees so much, does so much, interacts with so many different people,

620
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.679
going to Florida or going to California, going to Maine, going to Delaware,

621
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.440
going here, that, blah blah
blah. So there's no way he

622
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.480
can keep it all in his mind. Nobody can do that, right,

623
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.639
So I don't expect him to remember
that. But then again, he could

624
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:55.679
surprised you and be like, yeah, I remember when you told me that,

625
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.239
m and he'll recount it to you. You're like, oh, okay,

626
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.599
yeah, he is hard to forget
stuff like when it comes to that.

627
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.639
Do you know what happened a few
weeks ago when he went to Tarborough?

628
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.400
You remember we were I was thinking
about it because I drove through Tarborough

629
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.880
yesterday. I forgot to ask him, you don't know what happened? Uh,

630
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.000
let's talk about it, because I
haven't said it on the podcast yet.

631
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.679
Yeah, it's pretty wild. I
don't mean to ask him about that.

632
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.320
Alex. When did y'all do the
Heart Center September? September? Yeah,

633
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.400
that sounds right. Okay, so
we have talked about that on the

634
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.119
show. I'm going to breeze right
past that just in case you're not aware

635
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:29.679
of that situation. Do you know
what happened there? I mean I know

636
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.000
that, like when you're referring to
like a specific event. Maybe again,

637
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.800
well, like talk to me about
it. Yeah, Like back in September,

638
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.599
he went to the Heart there were
probably seventy people there, maybe by

639
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.760
the end of the night there were
about fifty you know, people leave or

640
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.360
whatever, and the skywatched in the
whole crowd saltwarbs oh co right, And

641
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.920
that was impactful. That was significant. That was a big deal. Has

642
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.000
never happened yet with that size of
the crowd. I think Dad's biggest crowd

643
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.880
before that was like twenty Anyway,
So two weekends ago, he goes to

644
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.960
Tarboro. We were invited. We
both couldn't make it. Just here.

645
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.880
Yeah, you were here, and
that's why we couldn't make it. And

646
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.239
anyway, so Dad calls me the
next night after he's leaving Tarborough, and

647
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:14.639
the Tarboro thing was a small It
was like a speaking event hosted at a

648
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:21.440
church in Tarboro, North Carolina,
and there were probably fifty people there,

649
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.519
and it was like it wasn't a
church event, it was just a talk

650
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:30.480
for Dad hosted at a church.
So there was probably fifty people lined in

651
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.320
the pews and Dad's at the front, like at the podium, like just

652
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.079
telling his story, talking about the
book whatever. And he told me that

653
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:44.159
at some point in the middle of
his talk, he just said, do

654
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.079
you all want to see an orb? I filled them out there right now,

655
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.400
and he bolted out the door,
and the whole crowd, fifty people

656
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.760
get up out of their pews,
they follow him out the door. He's

657
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.559
getting confident, and they all saw
it. He's getting confident. I have

658
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.159
videos sent to me from people in
our discord who were there that night with

659
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.239
Dad's voice there. What the fuck? You know, there might not be

660
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.599
saying that in the video, but
that's the vibe. They're oh my god,

661
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.639
what is that. What is that
the whole crowd saw? And you're

662
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.119
right, Dad is getting confident,
the sense is getting stronger. It's crazy.

663
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.920
Yeah, that's awesome. Now I
heard him telling that story to somebody.

664
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.039
I just thought he was referring to
Thanksgiving. Remember that Thanksgiving? Yeah,

665
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.119
that's that's what I thought. No, I was there for that on

666
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.159
Thanksgiving. He was telling Jackie,
is what it was. He was,

667
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.679
you're Jackie. Yeah, he was
telling my Jackie last week when he visited

668
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.400
and fixed my sink. It's relevant. But yeah, I heard him over

669
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.360
I overheard him telling that story.
I just didn't know his reference to Tarborough.

670
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.440
But I've been meaning to ask him
about that because it was like last

671
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.800
weekend, right two weekends ago.
I think, Okay, yeah, that's

672
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.760
cool though, I'm glad to hear
that a whole crowd song. That's awesome.

673
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.599
That is now in the last you
know, four months or so,

674
00:43:54.199 --> 00:44:00.639
that's over one hundred unique people that
data has been in personal with by the

675
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.559
crowds showing them orbs. What is
this building to? You know what I

676
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.280
mean? Yeah, it's building to
something. No, it has to be.

677
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:14.320
It has to be. Yeah,
I agree, because like they can't

678
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:20.599
just come down and make their presence
super known. That would just almost like

679
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:27.679
that would overwrite the effort that's been
done I guess from their perspective for the

680
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.440
past however many years, they're being
methodical with it. Whatever it is they're

681
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.639
doing, right, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it's like it's

682
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.360
all calculus. The word is it
anoculation? Is that the word? They're

683
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.320
slowly inoculating the world. Yeah,
slowly, but truly, Like with all

684
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.280
this stuff happened on the news,
like ten feet things running around in Miami,

685
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.000
apparently something in Virginia was just spotted. Like I don't know the legitimacy

686
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.400
of all this stuff, but the
fact that it's coming, the conversation that

687
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.119
the news is covering it, and
all the it's hard to like people don't

688
00:44:55.159 --> 00:45:00.599
remember, but like the month after
COVID broke is when the UAP Task Force

689
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.840
was created by the federal government in
twenty twenty one. April twenty twenty one,

690
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.800
do you mean twenty twenty twenty twenty
sorry, thank you, April twenty

691
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.960
twenty And I just I remember that
because it was so like it's intentional.

692
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.280
Yeah, this is kind of like
a tangent, but I remember going through

693
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.000
the like the pandemic at its early
stages. That was really tough on me.

694
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.280
Sort of. You know, it's
varying degrees for everybody, but I

695
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.119
remember thinking, dang, COVID sucks. I'm terrified. I gotta hope,

696
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.760
I hope I can get a vaccination
soon. Blah blah blah blah blah.

697
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.239
And then the UAP thing hit.
Mind you, I had to get vaccinate

698
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:39.159
from my work, but it was
forced. The UAP Task Force was created

699
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.719
in April. I remember looking at
my friends and I was like, wait,

700
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.760
nothing matters, this is all it's
nothing matters. The biggest news in

701
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:55.079
modern history just happened. The government
acknowledged the existence of UAPs or UFOs.

702
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.840
That's the real shit. And then
from then on, it was every other

703
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.360
month or so something. The ice
was it, Tom DeLong to the starts,

704
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.639
to the Star's Academy releasing their videos
and all these pilots talking about it

705
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.760
like every so often. And now
there's there are people filming it and putting

706
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.239
it on TikTok yeah, and seeing
creatures run around. It's just crazy.

707
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.360
It's so crazy, and it's kind
of it's kind of validating in a way

708
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.960
when I go back and think about
it over the past, like fifteen to

709
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:29.400
twenty years, fifteen years, seventeen
seventeen, this month, seventeen years January,

710
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.760
where I can't help but not put
a smile on my face because we

711
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.400
were there when it was not cool. Yeah, we we were the ones

712
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.480
not cool. Let me not b
No, it's okay to brag a little

713
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.280
now. So we've been into it
for a while and not everybody's starting to

714
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:46.880
come around. Well, dude,
we weren't just into it. We were

715
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.159
experiment of it. We were in
it. Yeah, we were like we

716
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:52.679
our family. I say this all
the time. Our family is like ground

717
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.119
zero for this entire story, breaching
humanity, Like I do believe, call

718
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.559
me cocky whatever, I'm just being
candied because others on the show and we're

719
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.480
having a family chat here. I
always tell this to Dad. I always

720
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.599
tell this to Emily and Junior and
all you guys. I always say that

721
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:14.119
someday we're going to be remembered for
being the ones that broke this, the

722
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.320
real thing, not the bullshit on
the news and you know, Miami mall

723
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:21.840
holograms and shit, but the real
thing. We're gonna be remembered for this.

724
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.480
M H. I always say we're
ground zero for this. You've heard

725
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.920
me say that how many times?
Plenty of times. You know. It's

726
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.079
funny that you call them holograms because
I remember I've seen accounts where people were

727
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:35.760
saying that they look like they glitched, they look like glitchy movements. People

728
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.559
in NASA and the CIA have gone
through great lengths to talk to Dad and

729
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:44.920
I about how advanced their hologram tech
is and how you know technology will be

730
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:46.480
used for the deception and all this. So I don't know for sure,

731
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.360
isn't holograms. I don't know,
but that's my take. What I do

732
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.880
know is I do not believe that
due to the universal balance and the position

733
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.440
of God and the beings and how
reality works, I do not think that

734
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:05.280
there are just these actual physical or
dimensional negative entities out there who have the

735
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.960
permission to just pop in and you
know, pull out a blicky at the

736
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.360
moll and start shooting people. Yeah. I don't think that's possible. I

737
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.760
don't think that's how the universe works. I'll take it some fake some people,

738
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.960
you know, like if they had
the capability to do that, they

739
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.400
would it would have been done like
why wait now, right, you know,

740
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.880
because like this is how significant is
a few ten fifteen years on the

741
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:29.079
cosmic calendar, because like, obviously
they're they're operating on a much larger scale

742
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.679
than we are, like our us
revolving around the sun. Three hundred and

743
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.480
sixty five days. That's a year. You know, There's only been two

744
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.280
hundred of those in American history or
something. So it's like, why wait

745
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.760
till this moment to make them presence
known? Like it just is way too

746
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.360
calculated, yeah, orchestrated, right, you know, Like but obviously some

747
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.760
people might say, oh, I've
never seen them and there's no existence,

748
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.840
or there's no there's no there's no
record, therefore they don't exist. I

749
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:55.440
had a friend, I have a
friend, and he's like that. He's

750
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:59.679
like, I don't I can't believe
any of this stuff. I've never seen

751
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.360
it and there's no record of it. And I'm sitting there. I figured

752
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.840
out I'm just you know, I
wasn't offended. I just I let people

753
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.920
say what they want, Like,
I can't be mad at people don't believe

754
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.159
something that I believe. So I'm
just sitting there, quiet as heck and

755
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.960
discord and then a few months later, me and my friend were talking about

756
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.719
my dad and that other guy was
like, dude, your dad's famous.

757
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.239
I was like, yeah kind of. He was like, oh for what,

758
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.960
I'm like UFOs. He's like,
dude, that's freaking crazy. Yeah,

759
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.639
you don't have to tell me after
who that was Flip. Yeah,

760
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.920
you've never met him. You might
have met him, but it's one of

761
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:35.000
one of the discord buddies. But
it was. Uh No, it's it's

762
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.199
funny, it's it. I love
it. I love it's weird. I'll

763
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.239
talk about it with anybody now,
Yeah, just because it's hard not to

764
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:44.719
now, you know, Like like
you said in the beginning of today's show,

765
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.480
it's like now with the book out, now, with the documentary out,

766
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.039
it's like I can take a breath. I don't feel like I'm fighting

767
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.400
for my fucking life anymore. I
don't feel like i'm fighting to Yeah,

768
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.599
fight or flight, it's gone.
Now, it's just having fun. Oh

769
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.480
you want another story, Yeah,
read the book, or you know,

770
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.840
if you don't like reading the book, watch the History Channel or just to

771
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.960
it and then we'll talk. You
know, do your homework, do your

772
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.239
homework, then we'll talk. Yeah, like meeting, you know, your

773
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.440
lovely new girlfriend Jackie. Shout out, chat out, Jackie. You know

774
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.719
this is my second time meeting her, and I keep telling her like,

775
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.599
you know, you got to read
the book, right, He said,

776
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.599
Hey, you guys a homework.
I said, it's required reading and you

777
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.199
need to read it. Yeah.
I don't want to tell Dad. I

778
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:28.960
don't want to tell people dad story
because it's available. I'm not going to

779
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.840
tell it like he's going to tell
it. Right. We weren't there.

780
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:36.719
We weren't there. I've only heard
him tell it a billion times. I

781
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:38.159
don't want to tell it. I
don't know all the specific numbers, how

782
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.719
many lights was it? You know? I just know what happened. I

783
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.760
can I can recount to you what
happened. I wasn't there, what he

784
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.039
said, but yeah, I wasn't
there. I wasn't there. Yeah.

785
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.840
And because it's out there, it's
like I shouldn't have to say it now.

786
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.480
But then again, I don't want
you know, I'm not trying to

787
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.440
like sell the book or anything.
I'm just saying, if you want the

788
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.400
source material, it's out it's the
book. Yeah. The book is the

789
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:07.920
not a paraphrase secondhand account recount,
it's not it doesn't do it justice right.

790
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.920
Very intentionally from the start when we
started this podcast, like before we

791
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.079
published our first episode. In my
mind, I'm like, this is not

792
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.719
going to be a show where we're
just telling the story over and over again.

793
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.199
We're not just gonna have Dad on
here all the time. We've only

794
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.159
had Dad on once a year.
We've had you guys on once a year

795
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:29.320
each. Actually Christiani has been on
once and three years, and we have

796
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.719
made very intentional efforts. This is
gonna be a real show that talks about

797
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.760
a diverse range of topics. We're
not going to tell our story over and

798
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.199
over and over and over. And
when we do tell our story, when

799
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.320
we do hit the canon BLOODSOE content, that's what we call it internally,

800
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.199
this will be a so your episode
because he's a cannon blood It's so episode.

801
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.960
Yeah, We're we're talking about the
family and the events and these are

802
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.440
rare special episodes. This is not
the standard. This is not what I

803
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.800
just want to do all the time, because then who am I. I'm

804
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.159
just the guy telling the story over
and over again. I'm nobody, you

805
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.039
know what I mean? I want
to tistplits those son. Yeah, and

806
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.119
I don't want to be that.
I want to have, you know,

807
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.719
my own exactly why I went off
to Wilmington. Yeah, I wanted to

808
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.000
be my own freaking person, right, Yeah, No, I totally.

809
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:14.840
I'm on yourself. I'm on everybody's
side, you know, nobody's against each

810
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.079
other here. But you know,
I just think that sometimes we forget how

811
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.760
bad it was because it's so good
right now. And you also don't realize

812
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.559
how bad things are when you're going
through it. Like, yeah, a

813
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.920
lot of times people suffering from abuse
don't realize they're suffering from abuse until it's

814
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:32.480
pointed out that they're suffering from abuse. Not to say we were suffering from

815
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.760
abuse, but you know that just
to make a comparison, Like, we

816
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.440
didn't realize we were suffering until it
was made evident that we were freaking suffering.

817
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.880
Yeah, you know, that's the
fight or flight. You learn how

818
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.800
to cope, You learn how to
deal with things, and you learn how

819
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.599
to survive, but just may not
be optimal and it may not be positive,

820
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.159
but you learn how to do it. So we had to learn how

821
00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:01.679
to survive optimally for many years because
of these incredibly stressful and traumatic events that

822
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:07.559
we experienced as a family. I
experienced an extreme sense of dread, like

823
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.039
at any given moment. There were
many days, a lot of days I'd

824
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.800
come home crying to my wife because
it's, you know, stuff going on

825
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.119
in my life. Like I just
thought any day my life would be over.

826
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:21.639
I thought my career would just get
explode. I thought I just thought

827
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:27.400
everything would go wrong because I was
so conditioned to live under crisis level circumstances

828
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.519
for so many years of my childhood. And I tried going to therapy.

829
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.440
It didn't work. It was really
weird. I you know, I was

830
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.519
like, if I'm going to go
in here, I'm gonna be honest.

831
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.760
I start telling her about how I'm
monitored by the CIA. My dad knows,

832
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:43.440
you know, is kind of well
known of youzophrenic. No, it

833
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.159
was the opposite. She became a
big fan, and it got weird.

834
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.639
That's what my fear was, if
I go to a psychiatrist or a psychologist,

835
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:54.559
they would try and label me as
like a psycho and try and medicate

836
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.480
me. That was my worry.
That was my biggest fear. Yeah,

837
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:05.280
yeah, so I ditched. The
therapy wasn't my vibe I will say probably

838
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.559
some psychedelic mushrooms and things of that
nature have helped me to cope a little

839
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.920
better. That's good that you had
that outlet. Otherwise I probably would not

840
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:20.880
have been the way I am now, you know. But yeah, I

841
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:24.159
think times are really good right now. Things are good right now. We

842
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:28.000
have a lot of amazing things coming. And obviously we haven't even mentioned this

843
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.119
yet. I have on the show
many times. But we're working on a

844
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:37.519
major motion picture, major motion pick. Pretty exciting stuff there. Who you

845
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.000
think, who's your favorite cast pick
for you? I have not even thought

846
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.079
all that this is just fantasy,
this is not reality, will not happen,

847
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:51.239
Timothy Shallomey. But what if I
wanted for me? I'm tall and

848
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:55.079
skinny. Okay, that's fair,
that's fair. Plus you've actually read Dune.

849
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.199
I haven't. Well, I haven't
read it. I've only read like

850
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:01.880
one hundred pages. So I've mentioned
this on an episode before, and Jeremy

851
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.599
can give some insight into this.
But back in twenty twelve, we were

852
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.679
initially working on a like a legit
motion major motion picture deal, but we

853
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:16.679
never had a finalized contract. It
was never official. It was negotiating for

854
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.719
like ten years, right, get
the lawyers, let's go back and forth

855
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.920
with the contract. Yeah, change
that line for ten years. And then

856
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.840
something comes up. Well it was
intentional to a resolution, and it's like,

857
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.400
oh, well, we can't really
dedicate the time to this right now

858
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.559
because we have all these other things
going on. So just roadblocks. Well,

859
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.239
plus, there was a character in
that deal who was sandbaging the deal

860
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.119
intentionally. It is what it is. Thank god that's behind us. And

861
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.199
you know, we were be installed
and it just wasn't the right time.

862
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.039
But what I was bringing up was, do you remember back then when we

863
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.920
were so excited at the prospect of
a movie being made, all the way

864
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.079
back in twenty twelve, twelve years
ago, we were always been like,

865
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.199
you know, I want this one
to play me, you remember, oh

866
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.039
yeah, and we would just like
do it for hours. I think I

867
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:05.079
want post Malone to play me.
Hell yeah, bro identify as post wone.

868
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.840
Give me like a gig of chat
like Chris Pratt, or like maybe

869
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.599
maybe we would have kids though that
play this. Oh that's right, Yeah,

870
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:16.039
I don't know any kid actors anymore
neither. I remember the joke was

871
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.800
that they would get Justin Bieber to
play me. No, I always said

872
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:21.639
I wanted them for me. Oh
was that it? Yeah? Okay,

873
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:25.039
so maybe I guess I don't remember
the joke. Yeah, I always said

874
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.480
I wanted Justin Bieber to play me
because that's like the worst choice. It's

875
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.440
ironic. Yeah, like that little
cringe humor that was popular back then.

876
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.719
Yeah, it's still popular. I
still like it. Yeah, but no,

877
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.559
good it's it's it's good times,
man, And I'm glad to see

878
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.559
that you're doing so well with it
and comping so well with it. Likewise,

879
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.880
I appreciate it. And same for
Chris Junior. You know he's doing

880
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.239
well. Little Chung little baby.
Oh you know what this little nephew ever.

881
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.760
I know, dude, Teddy is
just such a brilliant, little,

882
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.519
silly, little genius. But did
you see how on January? What's the

883
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.679
anniversarys? It's oh wait, no, no, seven happened January Eight's.

884
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:01.239
I always get the year in the
day confused, and I have to remember

885
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:06.719
it's Elvis's birthday January eighth, right, so January eighth of this month.

886
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.079
Did you see the video Chris took? Did you cat? You might have

887
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.559
been busy, but yeah, I'm
sure I saw. I just I need

888
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:16.760
to go refresh my memory. Bro. So Junior was working basically on Marsh

889
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:21.280
Road, like, oh yeah,
yeah, what he happened to be there?

890
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:22.719
Yeah he had So I'll tell you, Alex, because you don't know

891
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:30.840
this. Junior was working across the
street. This has never happened. This

892
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:35.599
is not common. Junior never goes
out into this like Outskirt Contry area of

893
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:37.920
you know, Fayetteville to work and
where we used to. Yeah, and

894
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.880
he happened to have a job out
there, literally across the street from where

895
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:49.000
the original event went down. Complete
synchronicity. And he was there the seventeen

896
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:51.800
year anniversary and he sent us a
video. I can show you after.

897
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.280
Maybe we could put it in the
episode or something if you wanted to put

898
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:57.039
it on Instagram. Right, Yeah, Dad, I saw? Dad did

899
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.920
Oh yeah, I saw And he
was working there across the street and he

900
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.320
said, I just had a feeling
that I'm going to see them today.

901
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:07.559
He got an ORB in the daytime. Now, Dad tells us that we

902
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.960
all have different gifts. He thinks
we're all special. In his kids,

903
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.920
he thinks we're special and unique in
different ways. And what he always tells

904
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.719
me about Junior is Junior has a
gift if you look back in the history

905
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.199
of all of this, if we
just had access to every video we've ever

906
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:23.440
taken, every conversation we've ever had, Like imagine there's some like AI program

907
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.199
or something you could just sift through
all the data if we were to look

908
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:32.079
back in the last seventeen years.
Junior, even more than Dad, has

909
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:38.159
this wild ability. He only sees
them in the day. Have you noticed

910
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:43.239
that. I've noticed that he sees
him. Chris has sent tons of daytime

911
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.639
videos, and he's like getting orbs
alike on video during the day. Dad

912
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:52.480
doesn't even get them on video during
the day much. Sometimes a few times

913
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.199
ever, like recently he got one. It's wild. Yeah, recently he

914
00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.320
got one day remember that. No, I don't couple day as it go.

915
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:05.599
Dad did. Yeah, I didn't
see that what he posted on I've

916
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.760
been busy out of him. If
I'm wrong, you can just cut this

917
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.960
out. No, it's all right. If you're wrong, then then it

918
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.880
was Junior's video because he posted Junior's
video on it. That's probably what it

919
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:15.480
was. He posted Juniors on his
Okay, yeah, that's what it was.

920
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:19.280
Okay, I thought this was like
two hit days ago. But like

921
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:23.239
you said, so much stuff happening. I can't remember at all. Yeah,

922
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:29.760
I've been busy. Yeah for sure. Dang do you think that that

923
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:36.559
Chris Junior seeing him in the daytime? My first thought from an outside perspective

924
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:45.039
is maybe they're kind of trying to
right the wrongs, because you know,

925
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:50.920
his first encounter seventeen years ago was
in the dark and very traumatizing. I

926
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.880
think the same thing, Alex.
Yeah, I know exactly what you're asking

927
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:58.360
you. Maybe maybe they're trying to
approach in a more gentle right kind of

928
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.840
like, uh like come car correct. Yeah, you know what I mean.

929
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.480
I think so that's my first thought. I think so too, I

930
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.440
really do. I've thought that the
whole time, like he's we traumatize him

931
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:14.039
enough. It had to happen for
the initial story so that people would see

932
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.639
him the way he is, his
state, it would never leave his mind,

933
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.480
he would stay true to it.
It's real. I think that.

934
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:23.320
I think maybe there was some sort
of agreement there for Dad and Junior's experience

935
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:28.199
to be so scary the first time. I can't understand it. I don't

936
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.320
need to, you know, But
yeah, I think you're right, man.

937
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:34.000
I think they appear to Junior in
a way that is comfortable to him

938
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.400
so that it can be a blessing
and a positive experience for him. And

939
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:40.920
then kind of going back to not
breaking that free will too. Yeah,

940
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.480
you know, he doesn't want to
do that again, so it's offered in

941
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.159
a different, more palatable way.
Yeah, I think so too. Now,

942
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.079
don't get me wrong. He does
see them at night. He does,

943
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.000
like especially when we're together as a
family. Even Teddy sees him.

944
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.960
You can. Dad has some videos
where he's posted where you can hear Teddy

945
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:04.559
go angel. I want to see
an angel. Papa so innocent. Yeah,

946
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.119
he's he's he's amazing. But I
think you're right man, And and

947
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:13.920
and I've I've wondered that a lot. But I appreciate you coming on big

948
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.360
Dog before we bounce though. Is
there ah you to invite me on?

949
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:20.360
Yeah? Man, it's it's fun. I think this was a wonderful episode.

950
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:25.000
Yeah. Is there anything that you
you feel like unresolved or you know

951
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:28.159
now that you're here, I mean, is there anything you feel like you

952
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:32.039
gotta get off your chest before we
dip in? Peace with what's been said?

953
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:37.480
Mm hmm. Anything you can recommend
or advice you could give to the

954
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:42.199
listeners. I do have a recommendation. It's nothing to do with the show.

955
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.920
Like the show though, Okay,
watch Solo Leveling. Hey we're about

956
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.639
to wrap and or watch the fourth
episode together. No, I appreciate the

957
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:53.599
platform. I've been feeling pretty good
about my life lately, really good about

958
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:57.679
my future. I'm trying to plan
for my future in ways i've never been

959
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:04.079
able to and it's very exciting and
a lot, I mean a lot of

960
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.880
this has probably helped push me into
where I'm at now. So I appreciate

961
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:14.079
that. Love my family, Love
your family, you know, if you

962
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.679
can, for those of you who
are lucky to have family, and if

963
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:20.440
you don't, well, then find
somebody to love because it's worth it.

964
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.039
Yeah, make a family, friends, you know, Families take charge of

965
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.599
your life. Yeah, Jeremy,
I just want to say thank you for

966
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.519
sharing that experience with us. Yeah, man, for sure, Really,

967
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.480
I genuinely never heard that. That
was pretty deep. Yeah, it was

968
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.159
that part of my life. That
was my repression, depression part of my

969
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:45.559
life. Super anxious, little twenty
year old can't do anything. Now,

970
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:49.280
I'm like a pretty low key,
chill thirty two year old. Now you've

971
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:53.960
got the conquerors hockey. Yeah.
Now you walk in the room, people

972
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:58.719
fate. No, especially the ladies. Huh, especially the ladies. No,

973
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.880
let me not sell that. No, they don't. Just the one.

974
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:08.320
Okay, okay, man, that's
a good answer. That's a very

975
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:14.840
seasoned, wise answer. You're ahead
of your time, young padawan. Thank

976
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.559
you, mister awesome. Well she
sh I guess I guess that's a rap.

977
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:22.519
We're very blessed because tomorrow our sister
actually she's here now, but tomorrow

978
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:28.360
we're going to record with our sister
Emmy. So next week you can look

979
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:32.400
forward to and expect to have an
episode with Emmy. So I guess that's

980
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:37.719
all we got. The blessed sos. The blessed sos, that's what I'm

981
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.559
talking about. I like that better
than I bled so much. Did you

982
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.679
hear that in elementary school? Oh? Did you bleed too much? Yeah?

983
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.360
So darn a lot of like man, Bleddy, come with something better,

984
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.159
Bleddy the fed. Some people will
call me bleddy the fed, like

985
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:58.880
you're a fed. In school,
you were just like some young some friends

986
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:00.119
that had some friends. And then
I heard people tell me, I look

987
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.000
like a cop just because the bald
head with the glasses. If I wear

988
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:09.119
him, he's like a little copy
like Miami Vice. I'm gonna start calling

989
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:14.239
you Miami Vice. Yeah all right, Well, thanks for listening, guys,

990
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.760
Thanks for supporting the show. Uh, thanks for just hearing our story

991
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:23.840
and supporting us and believing in us. And it is life changing and this

992
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:27.559
little podcast has done wonders for our
family, and you guys don't really see

993
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.559
the reality of how it's impacted us
behind the scenes. So can't thank you

994
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.960
enough, can't thank you enough?
You ready? Yeah, bye guys,

995
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:50.960
Bye, guys. Weird things happen
in the backyard Blacks House sit so weird,

996
01:04:51.480 --> 01:05:03.480
coming close to thanks smirre ling on
the inside of it. No one

997
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:30.039
knows that. Wow, let's come
for I've ever did sold ha