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We welcome to podcast joint host hoho
Is. He discusses the rimming Netflix original

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series Black Mirror. Now Here.
He is for broadcasting from the Codess Studio.

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Welcome to Black Mirror Podcast. Dan, as always, I'm your host.

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He so, Hi, y'all's doing
I hope you're doing good? I

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really do. Today we are starting
season six with episode one titled Joan is

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Awful? Is she though? Is
she awful? Or is she kind of

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being set up? No? No, let's let's let's let's let's be the

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judge of this one, you know. But first I do have some stuff

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I want to talk about at the
end of the episode. But before we

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do all that warning spoiler alert,
we are going to be talking about the

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episode, some of the stuff that
happens in it, of course, you

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know, So if you have not
watched the episode yet, head on over

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and check that out and they come
on back and then let's, uh,

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let's talk about it. So Joan
is Awful? Now, I had a

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lot of expectations going into this one. I really did, because after season

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six, or I'm sorry, after
season five, you know, I was

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I was looking up if they were
going to do a season six how far

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away we are with it, you
know, all that good stuff. And

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one of the things that I had
heard through the arts, you know,

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some of the articles that I was
reading was that they were bumping up production

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value, and boy, howdy did
they ever. You know, not just

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with the quality of the show.
Everything is self put it. I mean,

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it was the depth of the plot
in this when some of the stuff

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that they were talking about was just
whoa, you know, I mean,

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it definitely definitely was on another level
as far as I was concerned. You

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know, they did a good job
with it. So let's go ahead and

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get into this. So the episode
starts out. You got a Joan that

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is, you know, going through
her morning routine, you know, going

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through her day just like anybody would. Hops into her car, she's heading

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to work. She's jamming to some
music. I don't know about you,

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but I do that as much as
I possibly can. I'm always jamming to

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some music. You know. She
gets to work, you find out that

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she's you know, low low level
management, you know, and she she's

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got to do a dirty deed,
right, you know, she's got to

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do a dirty deed. And at
this point I'm gonna be honest with you.

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I I felt for Joan. I
really did, because I've been low

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level management and I know what it
basically consists. You know, you're tasked

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with doing the things that upper management
just don't want to do, that don't

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want to deal with. You know, you're a glorified pon. You have

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more responsibility, you don't really have
a lot of pay, but you really

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don't have much power either, because
again you're just doing what somebody else doesn't

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really want to do. So on
that aspect, I felt for him,

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you know, I really did.
You know. And as she is preparing

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to terminate somebody, she gets a
message from a guy by the name of

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Max, and you know, hey, I'm in town. I'm going to

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be at this place. You know, hey, let's hook up. She

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agrees to it. She does,
indeed, she know, she terminates the

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goal she's supposed to. She then
goes to see her therapist after work,

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and she's having a conversation and she's
talking with her therapist and you know,

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now there's a couple of things in
here that I'm wanting to talk about.

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Okay, you know, first as
with her relationships, Okay, talk with

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a therapist. She's very much glorifying
her relationship with her ex. And she's

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I guess you can say, displeased
with how things are going with her current

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boyfriend, you know, and her
current boyfriend is most definitely it's a rebound.

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How can I say that? Well, think about it. You know,

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where Max was spontaneous and experimental and
you know, passionate and you know,

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just spontaneous. You know, her
current was none of that, you

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know. And again she's glorifying this
relationship. And you know, she acknowledges

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that there was bad things that happened
in that relationship. Obviously she she dumped

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the guy, but you don't really
get that feeling that a lot of time

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has passed, you know, and
definitely not enough time that you know,

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Max has changed in any significant way, or at least I don't pick up

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on that. And oh sorry,
you know that I don't. I don't

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pick up on that whatsoever. And
you know, so it's like, okay,

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look, you're glorifying your relationship with
Max, you acknowledging the bad but

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you know, it's like you left
the guy for a reason, right,

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So I mean, obviously the time
when you were in the relationship, it

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was bad enough for you to leave, don't forget why you left them in

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the first place, and maybe keep
the rebound is the rebound or you know,

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what have you? If not?
No, no judgment to anybody,

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you know, not judging. It's
one of the things I get it,

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I really do. Just exploring the
psychological aspect of it, because that,

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for me, that's intriguing why people
do some of the stuff that they do,

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you know, it's it's it's intriguing
to me. But then she continues

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talking about her own life and that
she doesn't really feel as though she's the

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one controlling it, you know,
not that there's somebody else controlling your life.

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It's just that she's not the one
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know, like she's not the pilot
of her own plane, she's not the

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driver of her own car. She's
just going through life and going through the

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motions, you know, just going
with the flow. You know. She

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she's in the boat, sure,
but she's not really at the helm.

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It's just going wherever the waves take
her, right, you know that.

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And that's that's kind of how she
feels. And she's asked by her therapist,

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do you want to take control and
I'll know about you. But I've

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definitely, you know, had those
that going on in my life. Sorry,

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I had to take a drink,
but I've definitely had that going on

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in my life, you know,
just feeling like I'm just going through the

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motions of life, you know,
like I'm not really the one that's making

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the decisions. I'm just in the
boat on the ocean, going wherever the

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wind and the waves take me.
Has that ever happened to you in life?

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You know, just going through the
motions, not really feeling like you're

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in charge, just going through the
motions. And I don't I don't know

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if that's a good feeling or a
bad feeling. I mean, for me,

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I was kind of indifferent about the
whole thing, but I don't know,

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maybe your experience with it was a
little different. Let me know.

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And after her time with her therapist, she goes and meets Max. It's

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not the best of reunions. Max
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offering, you know, and Max
was a little upset about that. You

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know, it's like why did you
come here? You know, type of

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a hey, you know, if
you didn't come here wanting this. Then,

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why in the world did you even
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Type of thing, you know,
And then she gets home to her boyfriend

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or fiance I honestly don't remember.
And this is where things gets interesting.

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You know, they meet or I'm
sorry, they eat, They meet,

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they eat. You know, they're
sitting down and they're watching Netflix. Now

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I wasn't called Netflix. It was
called something else. I'm stream Berry,

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but it was Netflix. Come on, you've seen it. It was Netflix.

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They're watching that. Hey, let's
watch this. I don't really feel

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like watching that. Well, let's
watch this. Na I don't really feel

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like watching that either. We just
got done watching this, and that's a

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lot like this. I don't Let's
watch something different. Hey, Jana is

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awful. Let's wow. That's your
name? H wow. That that hairstyle

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is kind of like kind of like
yours, you know. Let's huh.

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I'm interested. And as they're watching
this episode, Joan is awful. She's

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huh. That's how I started my
day. This is I don't think I

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like this. That's the song I
was listening to on my way to work.

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That's where I work. This is
how are they? What's going on

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here? Text? Message from Max. Oh crap, my current boyfriend just

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seen that they're embellishing. That's that's
not how it actually happened. Uh huh.

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They fight, They argue, he's
coming out? Is that really how

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you feel about me? You know, whenever they were in you know,

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whenever she was talking with a therapist, And of course he leaves, he's

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upset. Duh, I would be
too, Hey, you know, what

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do you expect from the guy.
Now, obviously she didn't want any of

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this to play out the way that
it did, you know. But the

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next day she goes, she goes
into work. She basically finds out that

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everybody in her life watch this show. Everybody did the words out. Holy

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crap. She gets to work.
The first thing that happens is she gets

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fired from her job. The board
is in agreement. You technically violated your

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nondisclosure agreement. You're terminated. You're
done here. Then she goes it,

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talks to her lawyer, and this
is where things get a little bit more

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interesting. She talks to her lawyer, She's like, hey, you need

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to do something about this. He
plops down this big old stack of papers,

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like an inch inch and a half
thick, It's like, have you

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ever seen you know, I can't
do anything because of this. I've never

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seen this. Well you did,
but you've probably never seen an imprint before.

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Remember the terms of service agreement that
you just clicked okay too without even

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reading. That's what this is.
Guess what It says that they can do

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whatever they want to when you agree
to it. Well, I didn't agree

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to I didn't think they were going
to be doing this, Like, well,

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but there's nothing I can do.
This terms of service agreement is it's

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ironclad. They covered all their bases. Well, how did they even get

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this? They're listening to your conversations. They're using people's phones to record everything,

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video, audio, what you know, geo location in a whole nine

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yards? And has this ever happened? Like I know this has happened to

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me. I can't be the only
one I hear people talking about this,

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you know. I mean, let's
just say you're you're with your friends and

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and you're talking with your buddy about
this pen. And this pen is amazing.

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This is the best pen I've ever
known. It's smooth, it's it's

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it's clear, it's dark, it's
it's amazing. In your hand, it's

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just it walks, it talks,
it choose tobacco in the spence And next

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thing you know, you know,
you open up Facebook, you open up

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YouTube or whatever your social media of
choice is, Instagram, whatever, And

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the next thing you know, you
see an advertisement for that very pen that

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you were just talking about with your
buddy. You've not even searched this yet,

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You've not even gone shopping for this
thing yet, you get an email

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from Amazon. Hey, by this
pin you were just talking about. I

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mean, creepy, right, But
that's the society that we're living in now

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that this is the stuff that's happening. Right, we click that terms of

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service agreement and we give them access
to all this stuff, and what if

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this is the way they choose to
exercise what you agreed to in the terms

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of service agreement. Now, I
mean, for most people it's it's a

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it's a whatever. You know only
whenever something is bad and annoying is it

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even going to be something you think
about? But you know, it's like

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I know, at least for me
that I don't really think about it in

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my day to day. I mean, like, yeah, in the back

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of my head, I know what's
happening. You know, I know I'm

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being recorded, but know it doesn't
basically affect me in my day to day,

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so it's nothing that I think about. Is this something that that you

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think about? You know? Is
this something that bothers you? You know,

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have you taken measures to ensure that
it doesn't happen? I mean what

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measures can you take? I mean, I carry my smartphone with me most

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places, you know, I mean
does it bother you? I don't know.

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And she has the idea that,
well, if I can't go after

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Netflix for this, maybe I can
go after sal Mahiac because I mean,

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she's the one that portrayed me and
this was isn't this defamation a character?

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And basically her her lawyer goes,
well, I mean I guess she could

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Suewer if it was her, But
this whole thing was done using CGI,

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so I mean it was just her
likeness, so it wasn't actually sell mahaic.

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I mean, you know, Netflix
can use can use her likeness to

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do whatever they want to sell Mahaiak
may not like it, but there's nothing

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they could she could technically do about
it, you know. So you know

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that night, she's watching the episode
of that day, and she gets this

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look on her face. Right,
she gets this look and it's like,

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huh, she had an idea and
this is going to be good. So

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the next morning in all Man,
she comes in to her house with bags,

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like two bags of hamburgers from her
favorite fast food joint. You know,

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name your favorite hamburger from your favorite
fast food joint. She's got like

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five, six of them. I
don't even remember. It was a lot.

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And after she chow's down and it
eats as many as she could possibly

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eats, she opens up a bottle
of something liquid gold. I say that

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it's a bottle of x lax a
laxative. I don't remember exactly what it

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was. It doesn't matter. She
and she just starts drinking, guzzling this

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bottle of laxative. I mean she
drinks like what a third of it?

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Oh, holy crap, you know. And then she she gets in her

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car, she takes off. She's
going down the road, and you know,

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you see her lifting a thing lipstick
up to her lips. No,

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she goes higher than that. She's
going up to her forehead. What is

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she doing? I don't know,
because then it cuts to another scene where

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she is breaking. You know,
she's opens up the doors and goes into

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a room like a cool aid man
through a brick wall, and she's spouting

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all kinds of crap. She's wearing
a cheer litter outfit, she's got her

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hair in pigtails, and wouldn't you
know, she she busts into a church,

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not during a regular church service,
they're doing a wedding. She's spouting

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all kinds of crap. Next thing
you know, she kind of halfway bends

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over and she's getting this push look
on her face. And then the damn's

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break open and the fondue fountain is
in full effect. Oh boy, howdy.

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I felt so bad for the floor. I felt bad for the janitor

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that had to clean it up.
I felt bad for I felt bad for

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her under bridges. I felt bad
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I felt bad for everybody. This
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I was like, oh boy,
howdy, that's gotta be nasty. Oh

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mercy, mercy, mercy, Oh
boy howdy. And of course, you

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know, she does this for the
shock factor, just to get Salama Hike's

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attention, because Jones like, I'm
a nobody. There's nothing I can do

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about this, but salmahiak, maybe
she can get something done. And Samahik

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goes to her attorney and basically gets
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Hey, you have this terms of
service agreement. It is iron tight,

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it is watertight, it is airtight. There at just there's nothing I

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can do. You gave them permission
to use your likeness. They used it.

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There's nothing I can do just because
you don't like the way they used

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it. She's obviously unhappy with this. She fires a lawyer and then she's

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like, fine, I'm going to
go talk to Joan. I'm going straight

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to the source. If I can't
talk to them, then I'm going to

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talk to her and say stop it. You're making me look bad, right,

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And Joan's like, man, I
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I don't like this. I don't
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And she was like, well,
I don't like you doing what you're

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doing either. No, the bad
guy is netflix here. Well what can

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you do? Well? Nothing the
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You know they're doing on this to
a computer, a computer at it's probably

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with their headquarters. Well, let's
go to the headquarters. How the heck

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am I supposed to get in there? What do you mean how are you

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supposed to you know, well,
we don't get in, you get in?

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Well, how am I supposed to
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you're sounding a fucking hyak. And
at the same time I'm thinking it,

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Jane goes because you're sounding fucking hyak, and I'm might called it. I

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did too. I was like,
that's exactly what she's gonna say. That's

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what she said. I got a
kick out of that part. I really

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did. I thought that was that
was hilarious. You know, the comedy

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factor on that was high. It
was cool. They get into the building

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there there breaking sneak in however you
want to look at it, and they're

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overhearing there overhearing the CEO or president
or whoever the person is talk with a

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reporter about about Jonah's awful, and
it's like, you know, how how

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is this possible? It's when no, no, no, they're talking about

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why awful? Why not amazing or
something like that, and the presidency person

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was like, well we tried that, but focus groups that just didn't really

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play out. People weren't really interested, you know, so we went with

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awful. We went with you know, the more selfish nature of things.

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And that's how we how we decided
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went on further to say that we
have these type of episodes for basically everybody.

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There's even one for you talking to
the reporter. And the reporter's reaction

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is like, oh crap. It's
like, I know, I'm awful.

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You don't even have to umbelt.
Holy crap. And then she asked a

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question of how is this even possible, and the presiden CEO lady was like,

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well, we use this supercomputer.
This thing is amazing. It's a

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miracle. I don't even know how
it does it, but it it takes

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all the information it's getting in,
all the various audio inputs and video inputs

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and everything, and it and it
compiles everything, and it puts the likenesses

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on there and takes the video and
renders the whole thing and publishes it real

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time. Like, this thing is
amazing, how it works, how it

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functions, the whole nine yards.
It's absolutely amazing. Using quantum computers.

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Now, now guys, look,
I'm I'm the older than Google Okay,

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I've I've been around for a few
days, you know, I've I've seen

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technology grow from Windows three point zero
to whatever, whatever the heck we are

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now Windows three sixty five. You
know. It's I've seen the progression of

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technology, and it baffles the mind. It really does, man does it.

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It baffles the mind. But I
want to let you in on something.

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When it comes to processors, Okay, we have reached the limits of

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silicone based processors, we really have. We we can't get information to move

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across any faster than what it already
does. We've reached the limit of our

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current consumer grade sorry processors we have, you know. And they're exploring all

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kinds of things, right you know, they're exploring light crystals, fiber optics,

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and let me tell you, with
fiber optics is is it's amazing.

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I mean they've not even scratched the
surface of what is possible with fiber optics,

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let alone with just quantum computing in
general. I was listening to a

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guy just yesterday or maybe even even
earlier today, and he was talking about

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quantum communications. I'm like, what
the heck is quantum communications? And you

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know, I'm not going to like
look layman terms, because that's all I

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get. But basically is what an
amounts to is I don't know Jack on

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the science aspect of it, but
what it basically amounts to is with quantum

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computing, they are not not quantum
computing, I'm sorry, quantum communications that

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they can communicate one person with another
instantaneous, regardless of the distance between them.

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Instant communication regardless of distance. That's
what quantum communication is. Like,

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holy crapper, are you kidding me? I mean, y'alls have watched a

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show where you got the news anchor
on TV and he's interviewing some somebody that's

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out in the field, you know, some some news reporter and you know,

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ask a question and then wait ten
seconds because they got to hear the

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question, and then they got to
respond to the question, and then the

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anchorman has to deal with that delay, and then there you go. I

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mean, y'alls have seen that,
no more delay with quantum communications. Quantum

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telecommunication, I think is how they
worded it. But quart of communications,

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dude, I mean, I'm telling
you something. Okay, The future of

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technology lies in you know, data
management, robotics, AI, you know.

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I mean, these are the things
that if you're into it. Technical,

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that's the place to go. What
they're doing, dude, it boggles

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the mind. I mean you know, I mean you think about it.

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You know where just the last ten
years of technological advancements, where are we

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going to be in another ten years? Where are we going to be?

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It boggles the mind to even think
about it. Oh dude, who So

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then this is where things get interested, because now it's go time. Now

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they're going to smash the computer,
right, They're gonna they're going to dismantle

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this puppy. They're going to destroy
it. They're going to take it out.

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So they go into the room.
There's an IT guy sitting there.

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What are you doing here? You're
not supposed to be here? And then

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Jane's like, well what are you
doing? It is like I'm watching Joan

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is awful. It's like, that's
not Jonah is awful because that's me as

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Joan. I'm not Joan, and
Joan is awful. Sal Mahaiac is Joan

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and jan Jonah is awful. And
the IT guys like, but I'm watching

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level one Joan is awful. What
are you talking about? You're not real

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you're computer simulation Because Salma is Joan
and level two, and then this person

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is Joan and level three, and
then this person is Joan and level four,

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and it just keeps going. But
you're not Joan. Where's Joan?

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She's in the real world. You're
a computer simulation. You don't actually exist.

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You're in a computer whoa You mean
to tell me everything that I've been

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watching is about Joan, whom isn't
actually Joan. She's what mind blown dude.

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She's going in to take a baseball
bat, swing away, swinging for

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a home run, you know.
And then the president CEO comes says like,

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hey, you can't do that.
You're going to destroy kill everybody.

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Everybody in every simulation should all down
line. You're going to kill everybody.

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And this is where Joan has now. I would be having an existential crisis

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at this point. I would be
like, I'm ink. Therefore, I

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am little throwback to comics from like, you know, Sunday comics from back

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in the day. You know,
I think therefore I am type of thing.

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You know, what do you mean? I'm not real? But she

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doesn't have that existential crisis. She's
like very self aware. She's like,

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look, I'm not if I'm just
nothing more than a computer program, then

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I am not doing this. I
am merely a mirror for what Joan is

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doing. I'm only here because Joan
is here. I'm not in control of

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this. Something's happening. It's happening
now. And then she swing out of

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the park and when she hits the
quantum computer, you see a flash and

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then you see salmahiak as Joan,
and then you see the level three Joan,

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and then you see the level FOURT
Joan, and then you see Joan

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Joan, the real Joan. Such
dude, you know this episode was on

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another level. Right? Oh?
Such a good episode, Such a good

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episode. I tell you what.
I can't wait to see what the rest

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of this season has to offer because
starting it off the way that they did,

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Wow, I mean it might not
have been the most flashy. I'm

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telling you, just the undertones in
this episode. The psychological in this episode,

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the technological in this episode was whoa
You know, so we got some

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questions, don't we. You know, have you ever had a point in

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your life where you just didn't feel
like the driver that you just felt like

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you were going through the motions,
Okay, like you were just a ship

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being tossed hither and yawn on the
wind and the waves. Has that ever

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described you at any point in your
life? Does that describe you? Now?

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I mean maybe maybe me, you
know, I mean, I know

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I've had those times in my life
very much. So you know, I've

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yeah, just going through the emotions, no real passion behind it, no

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real emotion behind it, just that
seems like something I should do and do

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it. Yeah, I get it. You know, in this uh technological

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state that we're in right now.
You know, have you ever thought about

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just how much access you grant these
various companies that you just click on the

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I accept these terms of services,
not even considering what you're actually agreeing to,

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knowing that everything you say is basically
being monitor not. I mean,

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granted, you know they say that
it's for advertising purposes and you know,

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and and realistically all the stuff goes
into metadata aspect, and it's nothing that

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has really pulled up this way.
But we also know that if they really

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wanted to, like for instance,
with these smart devices, you know,

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you ask it questions, you say
things, you know they're always listening.

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That's why them keywords wakes her up
to where she'll respond back with you whatever

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device you got, but you say
that key word and there you go.

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But they're always listening. M do
you mind or are you like most people

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like me that well, yeah,
it's listening. But I guess until it

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becomes an issue, not really an
issue, right, you know? I

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mean, what's the worst that can
happen? Please don't say that, Please

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don't say that. Don't don't don't
don't ever ask that question. Don't do

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that, don't do that. And
then looking at technology, the technological aspect

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of this story, I mean,
wow, you think about the last ten

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years, what's going to be possible
in another ten How much more are we

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going to advance our technology? I
mean, what is even possible? I

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mean, you know, isn't it
almost like we've reached a point where anything

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is possible, isn't it? You
know? I mean I I remember watching

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science fiction back in the day,
you know, like like Star Trek.

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Right, dude, guys, I
got news for you anymore. I'm gonna

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go out on the limb here and
say it that science fiction isn't real.

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Okay, there's no such thing in
science fiction. It's not science fiction.

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Star Trek is not science fiction.
Science fantasy, sure, but not science

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fiction because it's science possible. It's
science. We're doing it. I mean,

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think about it. That the you
know touch screen things, we got

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them, community, be me up, Yeah, we got it. You

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know, they're they're experimenting with you
know, you know teleportation stuff. You

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know their experiment you know, they've
done like small single molecule whatever. And

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I think they've done you know,
like objects. I don't think they've done

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any anything alive at this point.
But but there's no such thing. We

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live in a world where there's no
such thing as science fiction anymore. It's

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just science fantasy because everything you've seen
in the movies they've either done it or

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tried it. Jurassic Park done it. The science is sounding that just so

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you know, boggles the mind.
But yes, the science is sound,

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and like all the science speak in
that show, it's accurate. They did

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it just like that, you know. I mean the science fiction part of

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it is that they've not done it
to that scale and made dinosaurs and had

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him kill a bunch of people yet. But as far as bringing a back,

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guys, look, I just found
something out not that terribly long ago.

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Okay, I just found this out
and they're doing this with extinct animals.

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Okay, just found this out like
maybe two weeks ago, maybe three

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weeks ago. I don't even think
it was that long ago. The wooly

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mammoth is no longer an extinct animal. Yeah, they used what did they

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use? Was it an African elephant? I don't remember what elephant they used,

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but they used that elephant and then
they used the DNA to make something

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and then magic and then wooly mammoth. Are you kidding me? No,

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No, I'm not lying. They
did that? Is that not cool or

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what? So, dude, where
are we going to be? Where are

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we going to be? All of
these questions? And I really do I

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want to know what you think on
these things. I want to know you

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know how you feel about some of
these things. So definitely head on over

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to Black Mirror podcast dot com.
The website is live. I definitely still

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have quite a bit of work to
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Not this weekend, but next weekend. I'm hoping to get quite a few

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more done, but definitely before the
end of season six, everything will be

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done and in there. I'm still
just on season one starting into season two,

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I do have an episode done on
their butt. You can head on

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over to those discussion boards and anything
you know, put your questions, put

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your responses in. If there's questions
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you have about various episodes, let
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course you can always go to the
homepage of Black Mirror podcast dot com and

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just scroll on down towards the bottom
of the page and there is a contact

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me section. You can put your
questions, your comments, your concerns,

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your suggestions in there. They are
always welcome, absolutely they are, and

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don't forget to subscribe to the newsletter. So guys, that is all I

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got for you today. That is
it. I'll see you either next week

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or the week after that with season
I'm sorry season with episode two. It's

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all I got. Y'all's have yourself
a great one and I'll see you next

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look. Thank you for listening to
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like to join the conversation, you
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