WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:21.079 Thank you for listening to de Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights, 2 00:00:21.079 --> 00:01:03.640 the show about the government, policy and human rights. Hide Welcome back 3 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:06.719 to Policy and Rights Here in Depictions Media Radio, I'm your host, Michael 4 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:14.760 Cloggs. We're gonna you've probably even seen in the news about Anthony Rote who 5 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:26.959 invited a Nazi into Parliament and recognized him as a war hero. Later did 6 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:33.799 it during the session, it was discovered that he was actually a Nazi soldier 7 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:42.280 even though he was born in Ukraine. And we've we've heard statements that there 8 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:49.840 were thousands of Ukrainian men who wound up fighting on the side of the Third 9 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:59.560 Reich during World War Two. We also heard that that millions were not more 10 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:10.439 actually fought on the other side against that they're right. So in We're gonna 11 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:23.400 hear Anthony wrotea's apology and his resignation. Takes about a manage or two for 12 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:30.759 him to do that and discuss that. By time you're actually hearing my voice 13 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:38.199 talking about his resignation, he has already resigned, and that they're well in 14 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:53.240 a way to electing a new Speaker of the House of Commons. But there 15 00:02:53.280 --> 00:03:00.840 are are other things happening in Canada that need to be talked about along with 16 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:07.479 this. Not saying that something like this an embarrassing moment for a country that 17 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:16.680 it's supposed to be a safe haven for democracy, isn't important. Not saying 18 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:29.240 that the Holocausts and the mass murdering of the Jewish people, which be totally 19 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:38.280 honest with you, my grandmoth of my grandfathers managed to escape that Holocaust. 20 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:49.199 It is important. Anytime someone is killed out of hatred, that is an 21 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.560 important thing to talk about. It is important to make sure that we're standing 22 00:03:53.719 --> 00:04:04.319 for the side of those who want to promote love, to promote freedom, 23 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:14.360 and promote those ideals that lead to the betterment of the human race. Not 24 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:28.560 saying that that that Anthony Rota's actions are at the worst questionable. That yeah, 25 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:34.959 maybe as a nation, Canada needs to apologize to the world for allowing 26 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:48.319 a system that would eventually recognize a Nazi on Parliament floor. That needs to 27 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:55.319 be re examined. All these things are true, but I also have to 28 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:09.639 question that there were documents brought up that could explain who actually killed a Zeke 29 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:21.399 leader in Surrey, BC, a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil who was murdered 30 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:30.519 by a foreign power according to these documents, but no one wants to wants 31 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.560 to really bring those documents out into the public. They're saying they're they're using 32 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:46.800 terminology that says that it might disturb the investigation, it might taint the investigation 33 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:54.240 if we talk about these documents before we get completely through the investigation, and 34 00:05:54.360 --> 00:06:03.720 that we've managed to try the person who murder or people who murdered a man, 35 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:23.120 it is just as important to learn what happened to him, who it 36 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:48.160 was that ultimately ordered him to be killed, What happened and why was Niger 37 00:06:50.680 --> 00:07:00.720 or I should say her hard Deep Singh Niger killed in SURRYBC. Who ordered 38 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.680 the order? Was it? Was it the a member of the Indian government 39 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:21.000 who actually said it's time to kill him. He was ambushed. And we 40 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:28.519 need to make sure that we're still talking about this event at the same time 41 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:35.439 we're talking about what is happening with Anthony Rota. He's apologized, he's resigned, 42 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:46.120 he's admitted to what happened and said that it shouldn't shouldn't have ever happened 43 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:53.759 and shouldn't never happen again. Should he continue to be the speaker of the 44 00:07:53.800 --> 00:08:03.040 House of Commons, maybe not. Should he continue to be an MP? 45 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:13.560 Should he be thrown out of the Liberal caucus? Maybe maybe not? Should 46 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:24.519 we as Canadians, because we believe in humanity and that we believe that people 47 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:35.919 can overcome their mistakes and learn. It's part of the fabric of a democracy 48 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.559 that a person can learn from their mistakes. It's part of a loving society 49 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:50.519 that a person can learn from their mistakes. We should be offering him our 50 00:08:50.600 --> 00:09:00.480 forgiveness and not hanging him on across and hang him on across that actually could 51 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:09.720 sweep away the facts that led to the death of another Canadian citizen. That 52 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:15.440 causes a distraction so that the public can't see what is really happening. That 53 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:22.919 allows our government to put up a smoke screen so that the public doesn't know 54 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:37.000 what happened to a religious leader. So with that gonna let you listen to 55 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:48.279 what we're recorded as the Liberal MPs were going into caucus to discuss what was 56 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.679 going to happen with the speaker, among the other things that they say that, 57 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.320 hey, it's a private room, we can't discuss it. There's a 58 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.639 whole lot of things that happened in that room or sett in that room that 59 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:16.120 they can't discuss because it's private. And yet what happened and that happens in 60 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:24.879 that room and discussing that room has a direct effect on us the public. 61 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:33.759 How do we get government to be transparent in everything that they do? How 62 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:43.759 do we convince Justin Trudeau that transparency is the way to run a country? 63 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:52.240 For that matter, I hope would hope that jag meets Sing and Pierre Povier 64 00:10:54.399 --> 00:11:01.600 are also listening to the fact that, yes, they need to be transparent, 65 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:11.120 tell what they're doing, what they're thinking. Ultimately, the people of 66 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:20.960 Canada should be the ones to decide anyway. It is my opinion that hey, 67 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.720 Anthony wrote to while he made a mistake, they're going to use that 68 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:31.120 mistake to sweep under the rug the truth of what is going on with a 69 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:37.200 murder that happened by a foreign power on Canadian soil to a Canadian citizen. 70 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:46.519 And maybe the people of Canada need to take up a voice and make sure 71 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:54.120 that that doesn't happen. So why don't we listen to Anthony wrote to his 72 00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:00.320 apology and his red Nation. How all the other MP's are of real acted 73 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:07.360 to the fact that a Nazi appeared on the Canadian Parliament floor, as well 74 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:13.279 as some other things that were said by Pierre Provier that he is asking Gestion 75 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:20.240 Trudeau to make an apology himself, that he should take responsibility for what happened 76 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:33.240 on the parliament floor. Let's this and that and hope. It's with a 77 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:39.120 heavy heart that I rise to inform members of my resignation as Speaker the House 78 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:45.080 of Commons. It has been my greatest honor as a parliamentarian to have been 79 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.600 elected by you, my peers, to serve as the Speaker of the House 80 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:56.200 of Commons for the forty third and forty fourth Parliament. I have acted as 81 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.639 your humble servant of this House, carrying out the important responsible abilities of this 82 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:07.639 position to the very best of my abilities. Jersiabou remercier, bou micolge poor 83 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:16.799 votrepui e votre colegilti ziram manda a la prisidance. The work of this House 84 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:22.279 is above any of us. Therefore I must step down as your Speaker. 85 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.799 I reiterate my profound regret for my error and recognizing an individual in the House 86 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:35.799 during the Joint Address to Parliament of President Zelinsky that public recognition has caused pain 87 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:41.240 to individuals and communities, including the Jewish community in Canada and around the world, 88 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:48.720 in addition to survivors of Nazi atrocities in Poland among other nations. I 89 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.399 accept full responsibility for my actions. My resignation is effective at the end of 90 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:00.919 the sitting day tomorrow Wednesday, September twenty seven, to allow reparations for the 91 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:07.000 election of a news speaker. Until that time, the Deputy speakers will chair 92 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:22.320 the House proceedings. Thank you Malc. Obviously, it's extremely upsetting that has 93 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:28.080 happened. The speeder speaker has acknowledged his mistake and is apologized, but this 94 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.639 is something that is deeply embarrassing to the Parliament of Canada and by extension to 95 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.720 all Canadians, I think particularly of Jewish MP's and all members of the Jewish 96 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:45.720 community across the country. Or celebrating or commemorating Yum Kapoor today, I think 97 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.240 it's going to be really important that all of us push back against Russian propaganda, 98 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:58.879 Russian disinformation and continue our steadfast and unequivocal support for Ukraine, as we 99 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:03.159 did last week, with an ancing further measures to stand with Ukraine in Russia's 100 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:13.720 legal war against it, japasque Clerqui in acceptable, cossi president la champ a 101 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:26.399 preresponsibility city, excuse me, vassalgia pro jenna Paul Parliament Canada, astan porto 102 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:37.240 rico and chans Paticuliarmo or parliament riv Mia, tootla coming with derivaloo spik commemo 103 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:46.240 you pipo Jori le parton on to sova continery the rest them control contro la 104 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:58.559 propagand in a design for marcions rush to t restare sonziki vacine common and asavic 105 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:18.840 plusiers ya prod response ab the lantacion is president Zelinski alaschambre. 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Justin Trudeau 117 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:23.519 was responsible for inviting President Zelinski to the House of Commons to give that speech. 118 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.440 He was responsible for making the event a success. He is responsible for 119 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:38.720 the officials at Global Affairs, the Intelligence Services, the Prime Minister's Protocol office, 120 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:47.720 all of him whom could have and should have asked for a complete vetted 121 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.359 list of every one of the people who would be in the room and in 122 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:59.400 proximity of a wartime leader. Every single person ought to have been vetted for 123 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:07.440 their diplomatic and security sensitivities. If the Prime Minister and his massive apparatus we're 124 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:17.519 doing their jobs. The Prime Minister is now responsible for the biggest single diplomatic 125 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:23.000 embarrassment in Canadian history. And what has he done with that responsibility. He's 126 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.720 been hiding out at his cottage for three days. He's hid there instead of 127 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:33.359 coming to the House of Commons and taking responsibility. There's always someone else to 128 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.640 blame when it comes to just to Justin Trudeau. But here's the reality. 129 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:47.200 Responsibility and power go together. If he wants the power, he has to 130 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:51.599 take the responsibility and come to the floor of the House of Commons today and 131 00:19:51.759 --> 00:20:00.680 apologize to Jews, Poles, Ukrainians and all Canadians. Justin Trudeau, do 132 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:07.160 your job, stop hiding, take responsibility and apologize. Thank you very much. 133 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:26.119 Uh you see marchoisse is a evidence? May see is a kid guy? 134 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:41.559 Great on that memon do meet cat? May say in maga tote you 135 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:48.519 accept that accepted like responsibly details it's good exam At nine people have said that 136 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.559 this was an embarrassment for Canada internationally. Does that not require Canada to formally 137 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:57.079 acknowledge that and apologize as a country for the Well, first of all, 138 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.680 let's take a step back. I don't know, and I'm sure all of 139 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.400 you standing in front of me would feel the same that we would give our 140 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:10.200 life rather than see the darkness that was embodied by the Nazis reclaimed this world. 141 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:18.000 All of us are steadfast united against tyranny and oppression, and mistakes get 142 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.319 made in this world. How we treat people who make mistakes is important. 143 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.480 This was a huge mistake, an absolutely massiveness spake that caused this country enormous 144 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.359 embarrassment and set back the cause of democracy. There's no question of that. 145 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:36.559 But I believe it was earnestly made. I don't believe that mister Rhoda set 146 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:40.720 out with intention in his heart to hurt anybody. Yes, he should have 147 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:44.480 been more diligent. Yes, the choices he made were poor, and he 148 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.960 suffered a grave consequence for that. But sometimes if we focus all of our 149 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:53.880 energy and attention on somebody's innocent and earnestly made mistakes, then we forget in 150 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:59.720 the world there is grave evil, and right now, pushing into Ukraine is 151 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:06.000 grave evil that threatens not Ukraine, but threatens democracy everywhere. And if we 152 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.079 get lost in the thrust and party of our debate here about earnestly made mistakes 153 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:17.359 that must face serious consequences, then we can also lose the bigger thread of 154 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:23.359 the bigger threat and the greater evils that faces in your own words, does 155 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:30.519 that not require a government responds an official apology within those comments on behalf of 156 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.400 the government for the mistake that Speaker na made. So will you make that 157 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:38.880 case? Well, I again, I understand as all of us, I 158 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:44.799 stood and applauded. I stood in my place and applauded, and for that 159 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.240 I am deeply sorry. Personally, I feel betrayed myself that I was put 160 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:53.359 into a situation and I stood and applauded something that was contrary to my values. 161 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:00.799 But it seems to me that we're all extremely zealous about continuing to pursue 162 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.920 this. Well what we need to be zealous about. And I can see 163 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.960 you shaking your head no, And I would ask you because I'm sure you 164 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.319 and I are aligned in the cause of democracy. I'm sure you and I 165 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:14.440 are aligned in standing against autocracy. And if we're going to battle against the 166 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.920 and we're going to spend all of our time and energy fighting on somebody who 167 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:22.079 has stepped down, who is an honorable gentleman, the speaker, the question 168 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.720 is about an apology, right weel the government apologist. So as you're yelling 169 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.200 at me as I'm just him, as you're yelling at as you're yelling at 170 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.119 me. Okay, about what about what you feel the government should or shouldn't 171 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.359 do. I'm trying to say to you that I believe the focus of this 172 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:42.000 government, the focus of all parliamentarians, should be standing united because what is 173 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.640 Putin doing with this. He's lying, he's manipulating, he's trying to turn 174 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:52.160 an earnest mistake into something else you want to talk about. I think that 175 00:23:52.359 --> 00:24:00.960 the situation was totally unacceptable and that we I'm not sure what what what folks 176 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:07.079 are after here. I mean in the questions. Let me let me be 177 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.480 very clear, I said it, so let me, let me let me 178 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:12.960 say. Let me say this, because I can only speak for me. 179 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.119 I am the person that's in front of you right now. I deeply apologize 180 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:22.119 personally. I stood and I applauded somebody who is completely contrary to my values. 181 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.799 That was made me feel disgusting, Okay, I felt awful and terrible 182 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:32.160 after that. I apologize to anybody who suffered. I apologize to the Jewish 183 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:37.640 community. I apologize to anybody who fought in against the darkness that that is 184 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.920 I can say to them that the core of my values is that I stand 185 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.000 full square with them and I would lay down my life in that cause. 186 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:51.720 So I personally apologize and I am deeply sorry, and I have every parliamentarian 187 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.920 I talked to who stood and applauded that day I know feels that way. 188 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:07.839 I'll about the best excusing Le President de la chaise is excuse. It is 189 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:15.519 sad decision. The vid individu c is saison recognect Donna Champ, but shows 190 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:33.400 them La Champs your quacity. Khos kit campament people to lay Canadia just compan 191 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:41.880 may just reconnaissance le president de la cham but the first is excuse, shows 192 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:52.960 hermon affair, poor recognect responsibility for an apology. The Polish Embassy is calling 193 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:57.039 for a broader apology and also involving Polish can issue a more formal apology for 194 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.599 this one. That's not just speaker resign. Well, the speaker needed to 195 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:07.519 resign because this was his decision and the actions that he took that hurt all 196 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:14.079 of us as parliamentarians but indeed all Canadians. And so he's taken that responsibility. 197 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.960 He has stepped down, which he absolutely needed to do because he made 198 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:26.039 a big mistake that has really hurt all disappoint he needs last week, and 199 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:32.359 I think Speaker Rota has taking responsibility for the invitation acknowledging and recognize the person 200 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:37.519 in the gallery, and he's made it an honorable decision action apologize on an 201 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:45.440 international speaker. Rode is taking the action he felt was necessary. Would we 202 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:52.960 should we reopen the nation before given what has happened in terms of the investigation 203 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.559 about individuals who are involved with criminality, war climes, etcetera. I think 204 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:02.160 what's important to understand is that there's a process in place in Canada, including 205 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.839 at my department. We have a war crimes unit that investigates and where enough 206 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:11.200 evidence has been amassed, has the ability to really charges and actually prosecute or 207 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.480 criminals that are within Canada. That's important. I think you should also take 208 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.359 guidance from the fact that Canadians should take guidance from the fact that we've also 209 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.880 taken a leadership role in terms of investing your work crimes that are contemporary, 210 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.720 whether that's what the Rohinia and the interdence of indianmar whether what's that's what's going 211 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.759 on with the Russian Ukrainian conflict. I've had direct conversations with the Ukrainian Prosecutor 212 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:38.799 General. But alleged Russian war crimes that are occurring as history, does this 213 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.799 show that we don't know enough about the Holocaust and that we need to know 214 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.799 exactly how many Nazis have been welcomed into Canada. I think I think there's 215 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:55.240 always room to learn about instances of throws human rights violations around the planet that 216 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:59.880 have occurred over time. Obviously, we've invested money in terms of Holocaust awareness, 217 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.720 a special Envoyd make symptoms. Those are important issues. Is there more 218 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.079 to learn? There will always be? Do you support the opening the Deshan 219 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.160 report? What I will always support is ensuring that people who perpetrated word crimes 220 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.559 or crimes against humanity contrict genside from Yeah, but are you saying this is 221 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:22.279 old business? Is that I haven't been watching the quality for over the past 222 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.720 number a few years. We're going to continue to demonstrate or support through actions, 223 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.200 not merely through words, and my senses that will will maintain a strong 224 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:36.519 relationship with Ukraine and it's war uh in the invasion, it's facing this result 225 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.759 of this ward repression from the last night on the hell there. It seems 226 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.119 there was a cabinet or caucus meeting here last night there was a caucus meeting. 227 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.720 But look, as you guys will appreciate, once I go into that 228 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:52.720 room, I don't talk about what we discussed inside that room apologize for what 229 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.160 happened. Sorry, I was just providing an answer. My view is that 230 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:03.000 it's really important that we understand who's responded for different actions in the present incidence. 231 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.960 Every indication that I have is that there was a private invitation sent by 232 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.400 the Speaker, that any considerations about the appropriates of their their attendance was a 233 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:17.119 decision of the Speaker's office. The appropriate response, and my point, from 234 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:21.079 my point of view, was an apology and a resignation from mister Rhoda. 235 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.079 I should say, mister Rhoda is an individual and I have had a need 236 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:27.480 to have respect for It's regrettable what took place. The consequences are are very 237 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.640 serious. But my sense is the appropriate response was an apology and resignation which 238 00:29:32.640 --> 00:30:00.039 has taken place. Consideration. No, not a POCOLI and you do a 239 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.759 corkis, sir, you take your master monkey, you step out and maybe 240 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:14.720 you show me all No no, Look, you don't income dons, uh 241 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:29.599 because somebody just uh last week was uh it was a candid meeting. I 242 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:34.000 wasn't that. There wasn't it. I was bowling my team and team building 243 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.079 for my new my new political tool. So I, uh, you can't 244 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:44.680 speak for that at all, apologize, apologize for living. So they're being 245 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:45.960 a Nazi in the House of Commons. Well, look, I think this 246 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:52.440 is Canada has a really dark history with uh with uh with with with Nazis 247 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.599 and Cannadas. Uh. There was a point in our history where it was 248 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.799 easier to get in as a Nazi than it was as a Jewish person. 249 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.960 I think that's that's true. I think we have to reconcile. The Cabinet 250 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.440 took a decision in May of nineteen fifty the letting members of the List and 251 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.359 division. Sure all well aware of addition report. I would encourage you to 252 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.359 read it again. It is part of that dark history, the Wanter directing 253 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.880 with and this was just another disgraceful expression of it. As you know, 254 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:29.640 what's a good man it is was solely responsible for inviting person and he took 255 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:34.000 responsibility for it, didn't attend it. So I would it couldn't tell you. 256 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.119 I didn't. Even if I did attended, I wouldn't tell you because 257 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.000 it's private, and I think we have to decide things amongst liberals, which 258 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.480 in the prime starts under be some sort of a disquestion for the primest still 259 00:31:47.440 --> 00:32:00.880 fancy amount, past amount, the expressive Again people we depty sit then yea 260 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:06.720 like aspect book which must get paid in six person kid can my business Asian 261 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:15.799 passports matters? But at LA shows don't generals names you know? Comment Kathany 262 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:22.160 wrote, I don't look us. I did much most pect getting City Cook 263 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:30.039 yourself should demanded declassify some of its documents around. I don't know the details. 264 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:36.039 I don't know what you do that something like. I did not expect 265 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.400 at the beginning of the week to be reading the Deshen Report. I've never 266 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:43.319 read it twice. There are appendices that I understand the names of people. 267 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.240 I understand that there are many groups of leading Jewish advocats of books that are 268 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:52.039 demanding for the release of those names and some things that that we could possibly 269 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.759 examine. Again, not being friendly to what it is in those dogs and 270 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.920 have a particular view, there are fully four done it yet, But again 271 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:06.240 in a country like Canada that has not only a difficult history with with Nazis 272 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.519 in Canada, but also one of the most important asker of Jish people, 273 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:15.039 including some of the largest proportions of Holocaust survivors. Impunity is absolutely given that 274 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:25.039 particular matter. It's very serious and uh, the Speaker has taken responsibility and 275 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.920 he's und the honorable thing. And I'm glad that he's for what happened in 276 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:37.599 the house question that's a that's a good question. I think it's a discussion. 277 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:44.440 We should have a cause. I think it was extremely unfortunate, unacceptable. 278 00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.079 The Speaker did what the Speaker felt was the best thing to do for 279 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:54.160 Parliament. I think we need to work hard to rebuild some credibility trust. 280 00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:02.160 It's just an unfortunate intiment. We should build our by working very hard, 281 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:09.599 by demonstrating that Canada's democracy is alive and well resilient, by being the role 282 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:14.400 model that we are liably would you recommend that Canada politess, I recommend that 283 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:34.119 we have a discussion about this in concuss so you were better look what is 284 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:43.039 the probably have said that there Sea can look into. This is the community. 285 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.199 I think the Board of internal economy would be want to look at this 286 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.280 is the committee we may want to do it between health takers. I think 287 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.360 we have to come together. So if we make this any more further partisan, 288 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.000 it's just not good country. Its four countries they're watching this country. 289 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.199 I spent a lot of my life building democracies all over the world. I 290 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.760 spent two years in the former USSR. I'm on the way to end goal 291 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.039 in October. I take the elevations all over the world and Canada's held up 292 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:17.199 as a model for democracy. We have to continue to to put that forward 293 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.480 in in a serious way and fossil ways. I think where we are to 294 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:37.960 get to will we lock like this? And just because bust s Puss import 295 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:57.239 Jack calls the six sixty one point is the disk formas quite assocation. I've 296 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:05.039 also had the Prime Minister should apologize to gets for what happened in the house 297 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.679 on Friday that he has an obigas the apologized personally. No, the Speaker 298 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:14.480 made a horrendous mistake. It was his decision. That gallery is his gallery, 299 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:16.159 and he makes the decisions on who's going to be and he made a 300 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:21.599 decision to invite member from his constituency. It was the wrong person at the 301 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:29.159 wrong time on behalf of the country. It wasn't. I don't think it's 302 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.000 the country. I think that mistake and he has paid a dute price. 303 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.360 Flag. Can you tell us what you'd like to see a speaker I'm not 304 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.519 sure yet. What qualities are you looking for? A speaker that's impartial as 305 00:36:40.599 --> 00:37:00.719 usual in a speaker that serves at the pleasure of the house Curtius or popolo. 306 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.400 So that's why I could you believe so pleased that should be sure? 307 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:19.639 Put ain't egg the Prime Minister should apologize. Do you think the Prime Minister 308 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.199 should apologize for fincud being in the House of Commons? Okay, I think 309 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:30.159 the Speaker has come very clean with what would happen and apologized and I know 310 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:37.239 this is something that was the choice of the speaker, so I think he 311 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:43.599 shot himself accountable and well what put the Prime minister? This is you know, 312 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:45.840 on behalf of Canada. Doesn't mean he has to take personal responsibility. 313 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.280 But do you think he should apologize in some way? Question? I think 314 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.840 that's on the Prime Minister to do. I know it's something that's very hurtful 315 00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:00.559 to see. I think we need to constantly stand against ninety seven to work 316 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:08.480 in all its forms and in all its next forms, and erticl you for 317 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.760 me, what happened the last next CogAT movie? What happens in carcass is 318 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.920 you stays in pockets? And the topic lest about sneaker reactions about this I 319 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:25.599 can't prevaable if we talked about in these author's it's probably oh the interesting WALKI 320 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:31.039 no no, no, no, no, no, no no no. 321 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:50.239 Traditional Commuti doesn't think all that dunk is brazy donk cral sah no so no 322 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.960 no, no, no, no, no, no po oh, couldn't 323 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.320 holiday form happened lest week like you group as formally as a country. I 324 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:06.440 mean, I think certainly we have to take responsibility for the fact that there 325 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:13.440 was a natzie in the chamber. So I think the paper properly taken responsibility 326 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.280 and step down. But it doesn't mean that there's no responsibility elsewhere as well. 327 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.719 It's not a question of Canada excusing yourself. It's a question of Canada 328 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:30.079 accepting the fact that we had natzie or chamber. It's an embarrassment for all 329 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.719 of us and we all need to accept that that is being a shame on 330 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:44.360 all of us. That's tradition. Me your quick, I find the dual 331 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:57.400 because they could on except Yea and manek avank What can do that? Kan? 332 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:20.599 He's nowa what sixcuse clock on two Champs plastikasin, don't pun mister house 333 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:22.599 there. Are you going to make the case in caucus that the Prime Minister 334 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.000 should issue a formal apologize? I I. What I am going to say 335 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.119 is that we need to fix the procedures to make sure something like this can 336 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.400 never happen again, because as a huge embarrassment for Canada, it is totally 337 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.199 unacceptable that a nazy somebody with that kind of pass is recognized in the chamber. 338 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.960 We need to change the procedures to make sure that nobody can be recognized 339 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.679 during a state visit without getting them properly. Are you going to go into 340 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:53.800 banks apologize, Prime Minister, apologize for what happened inside, for there being 341 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.519 a Nazi in the chamber? Does there need to be a formal apology from 342 00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.920 the government of Canada other than the speakers? The Speaker has taken responsibility, 343 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.760 has done the honorable things. Should he stay in caucus? Tristan and being 344 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.079 speaker. Are you interested in being speaker? Am I interested in being speaker? 345 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.440 No? Do you think the Prime Minister should apologize for the whole controversy? 346 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.599 Leave that to him. What do you think he should? Do you 347 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.880 think he has? I think he has apply on behalf of Canada. Should 348 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.760 Canada issue a formal apology for this form I leave that to our leadership to 349 00:41:28.800 --> 00:42:01.360 make that decisions sis it on sec that could lava as well. The Premier 350 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:09.920 consum the affair and the foster constitutions. I totally mark elected alpha. And 351 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:16.760 then they see book and Loge the descend mediate j Loge marda log mar social 352 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:30.519 drama and who could shows contact slyly of excumustional community is the rest excuzy who 353 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:39.719 was cham best and the pack exam divestator So booko John the community is reeve 354 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.840 and partitug and then the tip communities really the master constitution, the perput with 355 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:59.280 the stork, the president put in the fair exective is the best six cusic 356 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:07.840 person anymore pretty bartanstic the Prince Dean la champ Rosy excuse rapid man Melos master 357 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:15.440 decision against as an ear as kill tell them he went now my own void 358 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:27.719 on the eleven secrets. It something the young title Deputy Utcome deput did does 359 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:37.119 want the consfair san chermains the skill dig explain image pas quiller coactily profondem disorder. 360 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:42.000 They are in Juta who called the unusual. You remember mister Roader has 361 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.920 apologized that you stuck down. Do you think that he can stoke another well, 362 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.679 he has resigned from a being a speaker. That's was a problem as 363 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.119 a speaker, he made a terrible mistake. He admitted to that. Fortunately 364 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:59.000 he resigned yesterday, but was the right thing for him to do. And 365 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.000 now we will the normal MP in the House of compas can be. Caucus. 366 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.000 Can you return into the world caucuss because after this kind of little cacus 367 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.280 decide it's wolves important different mister or mister Rolta to decide as well, but 368 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:16.000 base on what he has said yesterday, we can move onward for the dilection 369 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.960 of the new speakers. Thank you, Gifthy, I'm sorry, are you 370 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.320 thinking about writing for speaker? Yes, I am. Let my name stand 371 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.079 and along with some really other great candidates in Parliament. What do you think 372 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:32.239 needs to change? Well, I think we should. I think how do 373 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:37.079 I put this the importance of the rights and the rules and traditions of the 374 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:43.559 House allow to encourage frank, passionate debates, but within a framework of making 375 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.000 sure that we could talk to each other, because each one of the three 376 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.360 hundred and thirty eight members of Parliament have a right to be in the House, 377 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.840 to express themselves and not to be intimidated, and to making sure that 378 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:57.880 they can freely express themselves. Mister truepen, you know, what is it? 379 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.519 What are you going to do in this new role as on this happy 380 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.719 it's actually even doing I guess with with you know, more of a focus. 381 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.199 How do we how do we square the circle? It's not an easy 382 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:14.159 one. How do we How do we make sure they meet workers across this 383 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:19.039 country feel included in in a massive energy transition. You know that's happening. 384 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.280 No, it's here, but around the world, the world's looking at usps. 385 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.760 They want us, they want us to get this right. And I'm 386 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.679 ampardy every day, my own fault, because I'm consumed with it, with 387 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.559 just these sorts of struggles happening all around. And I am happy about that 388 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.800 because I'm happy people are engaged. I'm happy governments and companies and unions are 389 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:46.960 finally taking this seriously. It's gonna be messy, lowing emissions and keeping our 390 00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.679 communists to flow up a crosspering. It's gonna be a messy old business. 391 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.679 I've been on the front lines of it for years. Rarely does it make 392 00:45:54.679 --> 00:46:00.599 any one fashion or or constituency happy or do what It's real. Now you 393 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.679 know it's real. So I'm delighted for the focus. And I guess you 394 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.760 know, I was gonna say, you know, are you gonna take more 395 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.199 of a focal role that was an advocate for the clean energy sector in Atlantic 396 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:15.719 Canaday? Are kind not already doing that role. So we're you know, 397 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.000 we're looking at Monta Palm marshaling, you know, we're looking at We're looking 398 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.679 at basically the foundations for winter mines that are that are going to be stored 399 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.880 there and then brought down across the whole Eastern seaboard to it like it's gold. 400 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:34.159 And and you know, my well, Newfoundland is far away from most 401 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.639 of the rest of Canada, is close to north is close to Eastern Sea 402 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.719 or word of the United States, Like what's happening in Newfoundland? And I 403 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:44.480 would right now happen any real it has been. It has been within my 404 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:50.320 professional life and I can't believe it. And it's because people there came on 405 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.719 board. But it ain't easy. That ain't easy. This is a big, 406 00:46:53.840 --> 00:47:05.400 big, long haul for this country. But getting there aw things okay, 407 00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:14.079 So thank you for listening today, and we heard lots going on with 408 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:20.079 the MPs. We if you listen really closely, you probably heard and a 409 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:30.679 reporter actually asked, what is happening in SERIEBC with the murder of heart deep 410 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:37.000 singh n is your You probably heard it, but there was never an answer 411 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:45.079 given. Why wasn't the answer to the question. Why was the question skipped 412 00:47:45.199 --> 00:48:00.880 over national security? M Maybe so we do knew this that we are supposed 413 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.920 to be Canada a safe haven for democracy. We're supposed to be a safe 414 00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:14.800 haven for those who are trying to escape tyranny that is handed out by other 415 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:22.599 governments, and we know that Canada should be at that point. Canada should 416 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:31.119 be standing up for things that would end that tyranny. Yes, inviting a 417 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:43.199 Nazi onto Parliament floor does not necessarily promote ending tyranny in the world. Allowing 418 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:58.800 Neo Nazis to start a parent group in Port Coquitlam, white moms, white 419 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:05.639 children, something or another. A group that is promoting the idea that if 420 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:10.760 you want your children to grow up with other children like them, you should 421 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:20.480 join this group. That we should teach white children to play with other white 422 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:29.760 children and to snub the rest that doesn't belong in Canada, not a Canada 423 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:45.880 that supports democracy and stands for freedom and equality, that no matter how diverse 424 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:53.360 we are, that we should be allowed basic freedoms and rights. If that's 425 00:49:53.400 --> 00:50:02.840 a Canada that we're supposed to have, those sort groups shouldn't exist. We 426 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.719 shouldn't be teaching our children to hate. We should be teaching our children to 427 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.280 love. Oh wait, you don't have to teach a child to love. 428 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:21.119 You only have to teach a child to hate. Interesting thing there that you 429 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:28.719 only need to teach a child to hate, that a human being from the 430 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:37.400 time of birth innately knows how to love. So let's all allow the love 431 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:45.519 to come forward, put the fears aside, and let's find equality for everyone 432 00:50:45.840 --> 00:51:00.000 who lives in our country, our continent, our hemisphere, and thus our 433 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:07.639 world. Thank you for listening today. I've been Michael Cloggs, You've been 434 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:14.599 listening to policy and rates, and I invite you to find that subscribe button 435 00:51:14.960 --> 00:52:00.400 so we can all stand together for human rights and equality for all. The 436 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:08.079 show has been produced by Depictions Media. Please contact us at Depictions Media for 437 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.119 more information.