Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the act Lite Review.
I'm the number one Kyler Ren fanboy, Trevis Snell, and I'm joined by
I am Semantics Patzer, the pupil Taylor Field. There you go, ladies,
gentlemen. If you having guests, well, I think I already said
welcome back to Aclay review. But yes we're here Act Lite episode six.
Spoilers of you breaking this down as usual. Lots of good stuff going on
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I think Long Legs is happening. Ckirkly you're seeing long legs, right,
what is it called long leg long legs? Remember the serial Killer one with
Nick Cage, the really creepy trailers. I don't all, Okay, we're
gonna have to mister Wesson pats that we talked about reviewing it, and it
was because Stillon's time. Me like, oh yeah, we're all seeing it.
So I wasn't on the calendar. And then it's like, oh yeah,
it's just never. I don't know. Maybe it was one of those
that we we thought about. But as it's gone on, so lots of
good reviews coming this summer, but you know it's a good review. Hopefully
this one right here. So I threw to him a swing and miss when
we throw him, hopefully don'll miss this time. Mister Patzer, what did
you think about episode six? Corrupt and Teach? Also the model here at
Geek? First, they did go back to the double title. I actually
missed this week's I was curious they just forgot. They forgot one week,
Like fuck, we didn't do it. Yeah, there was there was some
stuff in here. I was really vibing with I'm not gonna lie, I
was. I was really digging some back and forth between certain characters. There's
I think I'll still a lot of big question marks that come out of this
episode for just the overall meaning of what this has to do with the Star
Wars universe. And I'm curious just how they're gonna burn off those loose ends.
You got a question or you just shake squeeze the balloons on the gimmick.
So I brought the balloons up and I haven't figured it out yet,
so I see. But you know, I I think I think I'm like,
yeah, I'm pretty damn positive. Actually after this one. It's definitely,
you know, with any of these shows, it can definitely, I
think, go up or down depending on how this show rounds out. There's
many times I just found myself like, why aren't they just doing this with
this show? Like I had that sort of thing, yeah, like backseat
armchair quarterback while watching the show, where it's more so just like this could
have been done and like I I hate like I try to catch myself by
being like, oh, I could have wrote a better story. It just
seems like the focus. I don't really understand their focus up until this point,
and I'm hoping I'll understand that by the end. Of the show.
But I don't know. I was watching I mean, minor spoiler the actress
that plays gentleman that I don't know his name gentleman with the actress that plays
the gentleman I don't know what an actress are playing gentlemen. I had to
pull up the cast list. I'm so bad in names, I U I
usually have to refer to that. So let's go Kime here here and Osha
there. There's there's a dialogue between those two characters, and Shay is just
like I don't know if it's the actors or if the writing is just bad,
but like it just seems so I'm like, it's the writing. It's
the writing. Trust me. They are way better than the than the writing
that's going on with with those characters. I think that this episode show does
that at least, I mean, she put it out, but she hasn't
been very invested in the show overall. But I I don't know, Like
I'm curious to break it down with you guys. I don't have like major
cons I think some things to kind of point out and and and just have
a question for. But but like performances were good, Like I don't know
like, it's not like I got a character in here that I just absolutely
hated or despised, like maybe some Mando moments have. The show like continues
to just kind of be like seven to eight range for me, which like
honestly like that, that's that's really solid, and I I don't see it
going like really high by the end of it, at least for what we
got right now. But who knows, it could could drop a little bit
by the end, just depending on the consequence of I guess what what what
happens here? But yeah, no, I I I'm just gonna pass it
there because I don't want to accidentally say something that uh something down there.
There's a there's a disturbance in the forest there for a quick moment, But
I think I'll just pass it there as cryptic as my overall is. Dalton
says, Now, this is the episode I'm waiting for. I love a
quiet, intriguing character piece, and I can feedback on that a little bit
that I don't think I can get to the the So I do love a
quietly and triguing character piece. I don't know if I like it has portions
of that, I will say this is my favorite episode. But I'm in
a very mixed realm with the show because again last week, I loved the
Lights Are Fight, Like, I loved the cool stuff. I loved what
everyone talked about. But for me, lots of the character stuff I just
couldn't get into because it's so poorly written that I'm non vested in this fight,
you know. And then, like I said, episode five and four
they have infected how I felt about one to three, which I don't know
how those were were my favorite, but like I liked all those episodes,
so it's like by proxy. But I think there's one specific thing. It's
not just because like hits on like a trope that I like, Like,
look at the name, like and this one. Lots of they're they're up
on the aunty as far as things we see going on. What's EYEBROWSI making
there, mister Pats right, see the wren in your name? That's why.
Yeah. Like so there's there's isms that's some of all that's Tras likes
it. No, Like I do like that. I like that concept in
general, which is I don't know, it's not a big spoiler, fucking
oh show was with came Here, Came Here, Kimier plagas Junior Kymier at
the end of the episode and oh, guess what they're talking in this episode,
Like it's not big spoiler anything, And that stuff to me was all
great. I love any interaction of uh, you know a sith who they've
confirmed he is a sith. The actor says he's a sith. Leslie Headlin
says he's a sith. So I'm fucking done talking about he's a fucking sith.
I don't care if a breaks or can. I don't care if he's
dark. Tenabis say if he's not dark, play he's not dark. Palpatine
not dark. Who's your mom? Like, doesn't matter what he is.
He's a sith according to this show, like it or not. Caddy Mundy's
alive. All that good stuff right in there that could be lying, Oh
yeah, we'll get into it. He's a sith. Let's play the kyler
On theme. I don't fucking know what we're doing here. So that stuff
I really enjoyed. I thought, for what we've seen in live action,
it was a different take and I'll get to more specifics, and I was
enjoying that aspect, and I think the actors like you're saying, I don't
think it's I think writing for chime Here was better this episode. Last week,
I think there's a couple of cheesy one liners and stuff, but this
week was a lot better, and I think the performances are good the rest
of the show. It was because we were talking about this with Mike and
the This World, or at least I was. I don't know if it's
like filler, but it's like a plot point and then they're like very stretched
out. It's like butter scraped over too much bread. You know, That's
what I'm saying, Like that's what's happening here, where we did get things
in each segment, but it took too long and they do something that is
like almost parity level was soul in this episode, Like it's super noying.
It feels like a scary movie White Chicks moment where it's like I don't know
and then something happens like oh, I'll talk to you there. It's just
like it's it's kind of a shame that they had to keep doing this,
like wait, making us wait till next week for certain things. But uh,
and I'm not in an intrigued way. It's more like an annoyed way,
like okay, cool. So I would say I like this episode for
that one segment, it would be my favorite. But yeah, I'm still
I'm still iffy on the show. Overall. I liked I liked it.
I wasn't bored watching it. I was bored watching some stuff, but I
need to see I guess what is that where it's seven and eight now,
and yeah, like if I'm in progress, like I think it's gonna be
lucky if I give the show a seven, and I don't think it's gonna
happen because we talked about many weeks. This week again, May continues to
be just a terrible character. Every week. That's character they just make her
do the most. It feels like it's James McAvoy from Split. We're dealing
with a different person every week. But yeah, those are my thoughts,
mister Field. I really really enjoyed this episode. And for me, it's
it's it's to be expected. You have a high octane one that was last
week, and so you're gonna get some It's just kind of like calm down
and mellow, and so I think that the as you guys said, the
writing stands out it's not my most favorite, but I love the actors here.
I think Kimera was great and I think Osha is great. I think
the certain things and progressions between our characters here is really really well done.
And uh yeah, I just it really has me excited. There's certain isms
that I uh, there's stuff and the prequels that I really like that are
dark side oriented, and I just I Chymeer is just such an interesting,
intriguing, an interesting character, and there's just just isms that are emanating from
exploring this narrative further and I really really like that. So I'm hoping that
things kind of progress further along this path that you said, of course,
like there's all this debacle like kylo Ren's theme whatever, and yeah, yeah,
yeah, we don't need any of that like you want. And she
said it's on purpose, like my boy's a sith. I don't know what
well Kyler I will say though, because this isn't spoiler this time. We
didn't tell last week because I didn't catch it. He'll talk about after that,
like in the big reveal, because I feel like if you're watching episode
five or six now, it's like you should have saw five. So if
you're mad about what you're mad about or whatever, like get out here during
the reveal or an endpoint. At some point they played the Kyler Ren theme
and I'm gonna pause it for it. And maybe I should like this more,
but I don't, because you know, I prefer, I prefer overall
great writing to good writing, and I think this show has been very mixed.
It has been some great right times, and there's times been very very
poor. Taylor. Maybe the writer of the show views sith the same way
that I do. That anybody that's a dark side of yours or with a
red lightsabers just a sith, because that's what I would say. If she's
saying this guy's a sith and using the Kyle Ren theme, if that's just
in one thing, and I should be defending her. I'm not here,
But like that, I wonder if you'd use it the same way, like,
well, that's just a sith. They're all sith. Whatever, let's
move along. It's tricky because then you, I mean, does it not
counteract Ryan Johnson or Ryan Johnson's like, hey, Kyler Ren's like the Jedi.
All of it doesn't matter. I'm not a Sith. I'm Kylo Ren
or whatever this is before it was before that this is Yeah, But weren't
you alluding to, like, oh, my boys a sith when technically Ryan
Johnson's way of pandeling it, he's not. When I said, my boy,
this episode I was talking about Oh, I thought you were talking about
Kylo Wren. No, that's my man. No, like he's he's a
sith. In my opinion, there's two. It's a it's a rule of
two situation. In all three sequel movies, Wren is a syth to you.
Yeah, it's it's yes or no. Is it a rule too?
In all all sequel movies? No, that's the wind. No it's not.
You don't see those Wren use any force. You don't see the lightsaber
in what is it? Seven and eight? Hang on, let me finish
seven and eight. It's Snok and roten, Kylo and then A nine it's
Kyle and Palpatine. It's the same thing and they just renamed it. It's
like a band that reformed with a different singer. What do you think,
Kirkland, He already agrees with you with the bullshit rules, but he knows
him right, he deep down. Oh but the Laura says this, They
don't give a fuck about the law. They treat the same way. Why
not if there are Knights of Rent Kylo guy, call him Kylo Kirkhan.
Why don't see the Nights a Rent popping off with a bunch of dark Side
stuff and like old Kotar of like a bunch of dark Side users. It's
it's the same thing. It's too As someone who has seen the sequel trilogy,
I don't even know what the fuck the Knights of Ren are, so
like I have no idea what to answer that, Like they could be stormtroopers
for all I know, and like, okay, there's a comic book that
covers that, but yeah, I'm not reading that column book. There you
go, Kirkhlam, Switzerland. That's my political answer. Yeah, So in
my opinion, it's like the Sith there and they've ruined the like there's Sith
that are recontextualized, and there's Sith that are ruined and the Dark Times.
Palpatine and Vader are ruined in the Clone Wars, they're ruined because you have
like fucking Venturess and all these Sith assassins. No they should all One's bane
found that fucking holocron from Revin. That's it should have been Okay, we're
rocking with two, and no they fucking didn't. It's just like like what
Taylor was saying, it's just so unnecessary to even really label it, like
can we just have like a Dark Side user? And like that's just it,
Like why do we have to get these labels and in them the need
to which is very strange to me. It doesn't change the story at all,
Like if you don't call them a Sith or not, like it's just
someone that's killing Jedi, you know, using Dark Side of the Force.
Let's just leave it at that. And I think that's what the showrunners should
have said from the get go. Why'd you use the Kyler Renth theme song?
I don't know, I just it's my on my Spotify rapped. I
fucking love that song. So I say that that's what they should have said.
I I wonder if it's just like, may be a showrunner for some
one of these show star Wars shows and just put me in the press conference.
I'll handle it. Oh yeah, you're like the presser guy. Yeah.
I just feel like who knows me will not get it because I feel
like I don't know her being like, well, it's on purpose. Well,
there's only two things. It's either this guy's fucking related to Kyler Ren
or it's the Knights of Wren. But we specifically said the Knights of Rent
are not sith. But she they've all said, hey, this guy's a
sith. It's a new sith. We wanted to create a new scyth for
the show. And that's why again I'm proposing that Disney, they look at
all these people that they're just fucking sith. Every dark Side users just a
syth to them. If this is the case, because then this guy's a
he's a sith. I don't know what the fuck he is. I don't
know. Let's see see what happens in the last episode. Okay, let's
get to spoilers. Two were doing that at the upload, so you signed
already spoiler break. I feel like we're just talking. We're talking sports for
episode five, so we were safe. That's why we never walked episode six.
We never transitioned. Weout. I didn't watch episode five yet. Oh
my god, I only listen to not suppose that is gonna binge it.
One star Colrain's nasif all right, lad jee, I'll take it. I'll
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talking about well, no, we're we're we were talking about Travis. Remember,
we're sure, Like, I think what we're gonna do. I think
we're gonna do a live going on a value in your secrets over here.
I think we're gonna do a live. We'll spin this side. Who's on
whose team? I think that's the fair way to do it. Put all
the names on the list, do a live reactions the randomizer wheel. Yeah,
I think we can make like an actual one too, like a physical
one. You can do that. But I don't have the time to go
ahead three solid maybe I'll do that. Yeah, it's not gonna happen.
You know what's gonna happen is uh Osha and came he You're gonna fuck maybe,
But if not, he's gonna turn her to the dark side. So
yeah, that's there. Because this was that's not my favorite star, my
favorite stuff of this episode, it's my favorite star on screen. As Travis
was gonna say, no, I completely agree, that was my favorite.
Honestly, when they're in that cave together, that is the best thing that's
happened in the show so far. I was fucking loving those whole sequences of
Also, it seemed like a different for me personally from my experience in Star
Wars, it seemed like a very different setting for that type of conversation to
go between like a dark Side user trying to basically lure over a character and
not really by saying like you want my strength and power. It was like
really just like trying to body you can have this pulls an Aimon Turgarian just
scance steps out of the pool. Yes, no, but like like really
just like meeting her in the middle and like just just trying to like actually
speak to her as a person, which it seems from her experience and I
know other Padawan's experience, like the Jedi don't always do that, like it's
really their their way or the highway. And I love the way that she
had worded it or sorry Kimier awarded it, where it's like the Jedi didn't
they only want to teach the force their way, and if they don't they
say that it like you'll just lose the power. And like, I just
love that insight because it's just like, man, the Jedi just such boy.
You've heard me rant and rave about just the way Scout Jedi and they
just have their ways and it's just I loved his perspective on the argument.
It seems very different than than just the Sith of the past. There you
go. I'm just I'm labeling him a safe already. He's just for the
sake of argument for this show, I'm gonna be calling this character Sith.
So anyone out there, no, but I can't just go get not a
Sith. It's like that's what they're writing it as you know. But like
I I really really love that whole that whole argument, And coming into this
episode off of last week's episode, I was curious how his argument was going
to be to Osha because it just seems like she's a character that I don't
really see how she would have been persuaded the dark side. Like it's not
like she has a lot of anger. Maybe she does, that hasn't really
been shown so far in the show. You think that that would have been
shown up until this point. Maybe you could make some arguments that she's just
last week a couple of them, and now especially with apparently she didn't leave
the order. Yeah they I guess it didn't pass or through, you know,
But like I think it's more so just like compared to other characters that
have maybe swayed the dark Side, in the past, she seems like the
least one that would do it. But I it makes it interesting how maybe
she could be aligned with someone that has those thoughts, even though she wasn't
like I don't know, just like super super angry type character that most New
Dark Side users are kind of aligned with. So I love the way that
dialogue went, Like again that that was kind of the sequence where she was
like, is this just like poor writing? I think it wasn't the best,
but compared to what we've gotten so far in the show, I really
really dug it, and Osha was showing some curiosity. I think in the
things that he was saying. It was just to me it made it seem
like he's he's somewhat winning her over, which I did not think that she
might have got there. I'm at this point in the show, I think
it's pretty low chance she will make that turn. But man, if this
show that way, if that show, if the show ends this way and
she's just getting in the pool with him, holy fuck, I'm gonna be
very hype going into season two because I I do I don't think they're gonna
do it. I don't think they have the balls. I hope I'm wrong,
because that would make it very, very exciting going forward because that's such
a different Star Wars story that we've seen before, like from that perspective,
and that's what I was hoping this whole show was gonna be. But uh
yeah, so yeah, we're making the chat always good to see you,
Hope you're doing well. Yeah. We talked about a couple of weeks ago,
right like could they be bold enough to do that? And I made
the pitch of like, one, if we find out what soul, which
we're finally gonna find out, I imagine next week what's going on because he
tried to tell uh May ten times and always were like, oh, there's
a bug I gotta kill, but I'll tell you right when I get back,
Like he was distracted, like I think at least three times he's like
he is the true story and then the lights is like, oh no,
I can't tell you yet, So next week, well get the true story.
I imagine. I was sopissed when it went to black and I was
like, are you kidding me, like like just tell the story please,
and then we got the other scene. But I don't know. It's tough
because Leslie Edlin said, this ends in a definitive way, not in the
way that I think they answer all stories, but I think it a way
where you can watch season one and season two back back or stories the end
of season one, end of season you can watch the season one and feel
fulfilled. So what I'm trying to say here, Okay, it's hard because
with two episodes that's where it's like, I don't think you could do that
turn. I also don't want to be I don't know, like what.
I just feel like we could go down the route of doing exactly what they
did in Last Jedi, where it's the Kylo and Ray situation and they're very
close and then Ray doesn't turn, and then they're on opposing sides again,
right, and with two episodes left, you could be right, I'm hoping,
because to me, that is the best way to end the show of
Soul telling the story and may finally going man, I've been wrong my whole
life, you know, even it's gonna try and kill this man again after
a couple in the same twenty four hour span going no, I'm gonna turn
myself in the Jedi. That'll always be a stickler for me. The rest
of the time the show is like, I never understood how you can do
such a flip. But if they flip her and whatever and she has that
helmet on, to me, that was hoping because the difference is with the
Ray thing is at least that's in a scene and then they go for lightsaber
fight and then it's over. This is your ending an episode on she's putting
in the helmet on. Now there's also the argument of it's TV, you
just need a cliffhanger against back next week. I get it. But for
me, I'm hoping it is the start of because I didn't think it's like
a turn. But I hope it's just like the few little inklings of man.
There could be a different way. There could be another route to go
down. I don't have to listen to the Jedi who rejected me. You
think about her as a child, she you know, maybe not the greatest
written as we talked about, but apparently want nothing more to be a Jedi.
Right left her family, her sister mom because she wanted to be a
Jedi. And think about that. She leaves her family, trains her whole
life, and the Jedi turned her away. I think that does have something.
You talk about Sith things like anger, hate, suffering, and even
said desire like that to me is a SITH trigger rate there of you want
something you didn't get it, you know, Anakin wanting to keep Padme alive,
he wants it, doesn't get it, you know. So that's the
thing where I think there I can see a path for Osha may. I
think it's harder because they've been so wishy washer with her, but I would
love that flip that like you're saying, Kirkle, And that's what I liked
about in live action, not the TV shows books, because I'm sure there's
been variations of that, right, but in live action so far. Sure
you had Vader try to turn Luke. But one are the two situations he's
beaten with the lightsaber and then other time he's handcuffed like they're always like against
his will sort of situation. Right, Kylo and Ray they had chats like
this, but the difference was is Ray was kind of forced to listen to
him, right. They kept having that skype call where they just kept talking
to each other, and they also misunderstood the situation because Kylo thought Ray was
coming to the dark side. And Ray thought, oh, Ben's coming into
the good side, where I don't think at any point Osha is doing a
you should come back to Master Soul and he'll help, Like that wasn't pitched
at all here, right was nothing? So and then I'm trying to think
in the prequels, it's tough because Palpatine, like again, he did talk
calmly like time here, but he did it in a way where he is
like especially you know Plagus the Wise, he's like Vader, he's holding something
over Anikin's head of I know your wife's gonna die. I'm the only one
that can help you. And then there's also three movies of him slowly like
turn, Like that's a real slow burn from the age of what ages Anakin
turn? Do you know the top of your head? What is he likes?
He's like ten when they get him, eight, ten when they get
him. And then what he's he like a twenty year old man? True,
he was eleven, And yeah, you had another ten years. That's
a ten twelve year burn of working on this guy to finally make him turn.
So that's why I liked where he's like, you can go right now,
You're just gonna have to swim. It's a little dangerous. If not,
you can wait for the tide. He never once forcibly even using the
force, no pun intended, took his lightsaber back. He let her have
it the whole time. He threatened, just said, hey, just kill
me now. So that's where I enjoyed that, where it was a very
just and I think he feels that she might need that because it feels like
she's maybe even pushed in a law of direction, pushed by her mother and
the witches, pushed away by the Jedi. So I think this is a
better route for him to talk calmly and just more invitingly and like, hey,
this is the way it is. This is how I see it.
You know they see it this way that might not be the right way,
or like he feels like he's letting her decide. He didn't come off as
threatening, and I feel like that's what I liked. I wish he had
more energy of this last week because I guess he's in the battle. But
like I said last week, be like, oh, you're trying to hide
your face. That's why I have a mask. Like he was much more
like like Ifity and just like like piss and vinegar where I preferred this,
Like he feeled almost at times cool and calm, like a Jedi, but
he's a syth, you know, like Kyl Wren is not cool and calm.
Darth Vader he's like cool and calm, but he's also been charred up
a lot, so he's like in pain all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
Palpatine, he was cool and clum. I'm not trying to say all
this is play against he trains them, no, But like Dooku, he's
cool and calm, but Darth Maul not cool and calm. So it's just
a situation of like Sith are very fifty to fifty, they're very headstrong or
they're very that and looks like they're kind of doing a bit of both.
So I hope the next time he gets in a fight the dialogue is a
bit more with this type of character, not so much last week when he
was trying to maybe they gave him a couple uh yeah dingers. But yeah,
I really enjoyed everything they did here, and I love I fucking loved
the whole him just stripping down and not even just the shirt. He's just
he's just skinny, dipping and because I just feel like that's a coward.
So they didn't even show a booty or a crack or anything, like,
I can't show that. I don't think they're shown any booty in Star Wars.
They can show a head being fucking snapped, but nobody. That's the
way the culture is. But yeah, he's just he's just free diicking it
out there and just good. Good for Kymeer, you know, so good
for Kymer. I was just gonna add on my favorite arguments too, for
when like a Sith is trying to just tell their way is not so much
like I just want all the power for me or anything. It's it's really
just like he wants to live his own life and like like use the force
how he sees it, not so much he's gonna just destroy Chorissant or like
rule the galaxy, but like he just wants to use the force his way.
And you have these fucking hall monitors out there that want to come and
just take him out because he doesn't he's not aligned with them, and he's
he's yeah, like that's like the base of his you're forgetting okay, fair
enough, fair enough again, I'm a sith apologist over here, tell me
to go kill these four specific Jedi so easy that a test though that was
a test on but like you could just that side of the argument. I
love. It's just it just seems so much more poetic and like more gray
area, I think than it's usually labeled as or or. And he said
it again in that scene of just like different emotions that the Jedi try and
just like hide from themselves, and it's really just like nerving their own power
because they're not able to tap into the full potential of what they might be,
and just everything he was saying, it was just like, man,
this like there there's some there's some real diamonds in here that if we're able
to just explore the show from start to finish or yeah, start to finish
with those ideas. Obviously you need more than that to make a compelling show.
But for those little moments, that's where I'm like, we're so close
to just like a perfect accolyte show that I was wanting to get. And
who else maybe the finale's gonna be insane banger and I'm just really really high
on the show. But I think that's why although I'm getting these glimpses.
I think that's why I think maybe like an eight out of ten is kind
of my max that I could get from the show. I'm not just exactly
like the main character. I haven't even talked about her yet, but like
what I mean, you mentioned her? You know, I don't want to
go so hard before Taylor gives his thoughts, but like, fuck, what
a waste of time. It seems to have that character and like just so
wishy washy. She was asked me, like what her motivations are, I'm
like, I don't even fucking know. Like last week she was gonna hand
herself into the Jedi. Now she's trying to kill Master Soul alone on the
ship. Like it's just all over the place of that character. But I
digress. Sorry, Taylor Field, Well, before you go to the super
Mike says, the hard thing for me to accept that Osh would easily be
swayed by the guy who killed Jackie right in front of her, the girl
they basically admit she loved. And before you go to like, I I
think, I guess for me just where I can agree to half it,
but why I can't agree. It's like I don't think she's swayed, yet
I think it'd be different if she pulled the red lights same, Like,
I'm like, this is are like flirting with the idea and he's trying to
give the the idea that hey, I'm the innocent one here and they were
attacking me, so I had to kill them, right, Not not he
didn't, that's paraphrasing. He didn't say it like that because he still killed
them, but still they were trying to attack them. He did initiate the
attack, so that's the thing. But if he's trying to show that there's
this big conspiracy against him or the dark side about kind of whole like like
guarding the force, like letting no one else use it. And I think
that's where I can get on board, is because this whole pitch of why
can't I use the force? She was told at some point, hey,
you can't be a Jedi, so she was kind of told in a similar
route that yeah, this like you're not good enough for the force here,
you know. So I do understand the jeck th I just don't think I'm
in the band way that she's easily swayed yet. I think she's just she's
just curious because she really has nowhere to go right now. I guess you
could find soul, but like, I don't know, she didn't know where
he is, and I think she's just she's just kind of a lost character
that's looking for something. So yeah, So I think that with Kimier and
the dialogue with Osha, I think that there's so much they really really enjoy
with this. I think that, again the writing is not great, but
the actors really make up for it. For me, in a lot of
these scenes and so everything Kymier is doing with Osha, I'm really really just
I enjoy it because to me, it just has those those Palpatine vibes.
It's just such a different approach and if you feel like you want to regretfully
kind of believe and take in what he's saying. And it's just such a
fun approach that these Sith lords have to just recruit you. I guess they
want it to sound enticing and they're good with their words and the way that
he's just being super not I guess super friendly, but he's just being he's
as naked that's pretty such friendly. Well, he's being he's accepting her to
make her own decisions, but he knows the outcomes already, even though he
says, yeah, I'm not a mind reader, I can't read your mind
like he's still he knows how things are going to play out here. And
I feel like between the two sisters, you have him approaching May a very
different way, because I mean, May didn't even know what he looked like,
and it was very different. And now it's either in the grand scheme
of things, he wanted Osha in the long run, or maybe he's just
he understood how he really messed this up and now he's trying a completely different
approach with Osha as opposed to May. She didn't know May did know his
planet though, that he has his home base on, which that's kind of
I was surprised by because I feel like at any point if she turned,
she just brings some people there, which I did thought was going to be
ok too or whatever that hell place was from last Jedi where Luke was hanging
out, like, it looks very same, Yeah, And I actually think
that would have been cool if they did that, because I don't know what
the status of it is in this era, so maybe it's up and running,
but the fact that it was like a Jedi place and if assisting out
there, it's like, oh, that's kind of cool. But I don't
know the stats in the Higher Republic. Maybe people are just having orgies.
There no porks, No porks, That's what I was gonna say that,
like they could make the art like maybe it still could be, like maybe
the porks are on the fucking South Pole. You know, it's classic Star
Wars. You never see the whole planet and you see those the one area
they flow the north or it's you know, it's what a couple hundred years,
So maybe they more from those little elephant penis nose looking things. Maybe.
Yeah, it's at least it's about one hundred how many years are between
uh, episodes six and seven, Taylor thirty, So it's about one hundred
thirty years, yeah, because it's about there's another twenty between three and four.
Okay, yeah, you're right. Okay, so it's about one Star
Wars one and a five. I'd say Understorm has really got damn he's out.
Oh shit, I'd say at least one hundred and sixteen and seventy years.
Okay, So but again I just think that he is really just I
would have joined him. I would have joined him. I mean with this,
I thought once I saw naked, yeah, I would have. I
would have jumped in there. I would have been like he would just looked
and cannonball. I would have hit him. All even says it too,
like if you're not going to enjoy making, I can I come back?
You did? I would love to see She's like trying to motherfucker him,
like like yeah, I can do that too. And they're just swimming there
naked, and he's just like, well, what do we do now?
Like we're just here, Like imagine the whole episode, it's just them in
the water having the conversation, but they're just naked, you know. So
this definitely went to one. Yeah one the guy last weekcause the arms and
everything, he got lots of like fan cams and people to their store for
him. So good for you. In this episode he looks good and good
for you gals and guys whoever was digging them because and I'm not saying I'm
not, I'm just saying like you got dig at the butt. They got
a lot of stuff here. And then yeah, people that are already shipping
the too, as like the new Railo it's like, oh you're you're getting
that going on right now? So uh now there it doesn't sound the same.
Yeah, uh so, hey you didn't also answer before you go?
Do you think what's the fate of ohsha here? Do you think she's gonna
turn? I wanted to. I just want we want a lot of things.
The thing is, think that helmet smells like that's your second question when
you're done strawberries, strawberries, I rank like snotty, snotty, sweat work,
all that inside. Yeah, he probably usually swims with it, but
he wanted to like make a statement this time with his mask off. But
he's especially I guess he did have to wear it a lot around may So.
But like he's just like just snotting all over the place for some reason.
Oh he's notting. It's so weird. Before I saw whatever the what's
the toy line that you like? Taylor Black Series? Black Series? So
last week after the episode put the Black Series helmet on sold though, But
up until that when I saw a picture of that and then this week,
to me, the helmets always looked black. We're like to we're and if
you surprised, it was like a golden bronze thing, because up until last
week, I was like, this is a black helmet, and the toy
line was not black, like, no, this is black, and now
this was like, it's bronze everywhere. This whole time I thought it was.
I thought it was pretty dark, like there's a lot of red scratches
and such on it. I guess it's not as dark as maybe I thought.
I wouldn't say it's gold or bronze. Maybe I'll have to pull it
up again. Taylor's going, it's definitely bronze, right, Taylor, at
least i'd say it's it's yeah, it's bronze for sure. That's how I
kind of felt last week because I thought, oh, it looks it looks
bronze. The first time you see it, though it looked black, but
this is because of the lighting and the angles that they kind of were focusing
on, so it looked darker at the start. But last week, for
sure, it definitely felt lighter to me. How do you spell my boys
name? Here? Q? I am I are? This image is like
very bronze. So this is the black series one. Yeah, that's the
one I'm saying. So last week they put that up. I was like,
I didn't see that in the last five episodes I've watched, and then
this week when he was working on in a light, it looked like it
was this color, so I guess it's been which that makes me do like
it actually more because I think when it was black it did look too similar
to Kylo's helmet has like that similar shape and just in the face, like
doesn't have the nose. I'm still iffy on the teeth. I like the
teeth. I like the more than now. The more I see it,
it's like, but yeah, it's bronze and gold. I like the helmet
the more and more I see it, I really really do. Got your
armor confirmed in this episode by name Taylor Yeah, Cortosis Yeah, which completely
went over my head when they they announced it, but or we're not announced
it they unveiled it, because I was like, oh, what is this
was? But then a guind of Chat pointed out was Cortos because they didn't
they didn't name drop it at the time, but oh, it's cool.
I like that. It's looking back on it's something now more. I think
at the time I didn't appreciate it, but seeing some of the fights again,
like Okay, that is something cool to it. Like I've I've probably
watched last week's episode at least six times, and I've watched the fight scenes
on repeat. I meant someone scored the fight scene with like John Williams Duel
of Fates. I was like, pants are Gone, like it was amazing.
But I just doing the boorreography of everything. But to answer your question,
no, I I I think she will turn to the dark side.
So okay, it's that's something like this, this this flip. I really
like, I don't know how it's gonna go for May, but I think
it's it's cool that we have this episode being just each twin, each sister
start is basically on their own path with their opposite like with each other's masters.
This is very cool of a dilemma that we're gonna see unfolded with the
next episode. So yeah, again, I I just think he's back to
Kimer. He's just he's so he's so fantastic. I really like him as
a character. And even then, like I got goosebumps kirk On imagine you
got goosebumps too, And she's like, oh what happened? How did you
get that scar? And he's like, oh, I was cast it away
too. It was like, oh, you're Jedi master. And then he
just looks at her. It's like no, no, no, please,
like, oh what sith Lord fucking did this to you? Likes off this
puss off? What is the guy he was back on cofar that kal Knaka
just sucked me up. No, what the j the gungan I messed some
gungan at a bar. I messed something gungon at a bar and he just
sucked up my back. But yeah, he did. It's funny tale you
got that thunderstra you share this And then it came to me, that's funny.
She just told me at the store is hit the west side or the
storm the west side it's coming loving me. I'm on the west side windows
in this room. I can't see the two things. He real. Yeah,
he said that tear where he got that scar up for his Jedi master.
But he did reveal he was a Jedi a long time ago, which
is some life stuff. But that's interesting because that's like plagis junior baby,
like who like how many of these people have Like I'm not saying he's his
alien type, but the real way that he said like a long time ago.
Made it sound like, yeah, he whether it's by power or a
race, which he's looking like a human race, but like he insinuate.
The way the actor delivered the line made me think, oh, that long
time ago is not just like a oh yeah, ten years ago, it's
a long time like that makes it seem like it's longer than Osha could even
kind of compensate for inner mind right now. Right, But yeah, he
was a Jedi. We don't know what happened per se of why he left
or not. He said his master turned his back on him, though masters
in his back on him. Yeah, so was that implying his Jedi master,
Like I like, honestly, it could even be there's a certain degree
of disdain he has for the Jedi, like he's got that that mentality he
doesn't like them. So it could be maybe a Sith lord came in killed
his master and then he just looks as like my master was pathetic and got
killed and left me in a bad me or maybe his master just ran away,
or I don't know. I feel like it's the car I read away
book. I feel like you kind of have this scenario where his master gets
killed and leaves him for dead, and then you have a syth kind of
sneak in there, like you know, I can train you, I can
help keep you safe, teach you whatnot. He's he's got a lot of
backstory that was kind of hinted at here that I just really want to get
to know more about and to learn. So he's definitely becoming an intriguing character.
In the factor too, that he is much older than how he appears
to be makes me think, like, you know, what, what kind
of plague as tenebrous life extension stuff do you got going on here? I
just get goosebumps thinking, of course, I don't have any foundation or factuality
of this being concrete. I can only hypothetically think about this kind of stuff
where maybe his master's still alive. Obviously he's hinting at his master not Jedi,
but a dark Side user being the one to tea chimneys less doesn't give
him these scars, and so I think, then it'd just be so cool
if the reason he really just wants to get that pupil now obviously is just
go and find his master and just overthrow his master, or you have the
sense here too, Okay, if he was cast it out by his sith
master, and maybe his sith master thought he left him for dead and he
managed to stay alive sneak away, And maybe you have a Plagis or a
ten of Us with another I'm hoping it's Plagas. Maybe you have Plagas with
like another apprentice at this time or something like I know Palpatine yet, but
this is it's such a cool concept to think about. I did over the
past week learn that I guess Plagas at one point was looking at seven different
options for his apprentice before he decided on Palpatine. So you can always go
to that route where he was one of the people he was looking at and
it didn't go good, right, and then he gets killed off. But
I think the only thing you do have to worry about, I know you
want your fan theory of like a bigger Sith, which I think could happen
more. You guys pitched that last week and a more attuned to that now.
I do think those scars looked a lot like a whip mark, and
I don't think it's no, it's not a coincidence that we also got to
see the whip light saber this episode the same that they're very odd scars.
It doesn't look like a lightsaber, like like a lights like the way they
cut, I don't think anyone would cut like that from their bonus. Yeah,
oh the wow, good, good for him. He pulled whatever.
That guy could be forced lightning too, right, like that would be Yeah,
I just thought it's a little peculiar that they showed that whip off and
to me those could look like whip scars. And he's talking about that he
did have a Jedi master at least, or he was. He was a
Jedi, so that would at least assume at one point even if he had
a Sith Master, he at least had a Jedi master as well too,
right, so that could be Vernestra maybe could be the master. Well that's
who I'm Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I know, I'm I'm supporting.
You heard it here first. I got a good one for you.
You know what, that scar could be a whip a whip, yeah,
you know, we saw this episode. But the thing is, it could
be like he starts to turn the dark side with his master and she messes
him up. Right, It could be like a Luke bend situation, but
Vnestra's goes through with it and tries to kill her apprentice. You know,
I don't know so well, she was very she was very coy in this
episode. Again, I feel like her cooi Mogu mog was his name.
This is the odd like whatever, the secondary guy who was working with Rnestra
in this the other Jedi. Oh, you're just trying to say his name.
Yeah, his name is. You're making it sound like you said.
At one point you said her Mogue and I didn't know, like, is
that a different her, her apprentice guy whatever? He was tagging a lot.
There's the odd Jedi characters that appear in this show that are just they
really pull me out of it, and Mogue was one of them because when
she does her whip and kills the bug, he's like, oh, oh,
maybe not like so orgasmic, but kill again. He's so just he
pulls me killed. So but the thing is he's deducing the situation and Vernestra
is being coined the situation like, oh, that's a serious accusation. But
she wasn't even on board that it was soul. It still felt like in
this moment of dialogue that she was supporting Saul being the victim here, but
he was the one implying that maybe it was Soul, and she seemed to
let on like she again, she knows something more that's going on here.
So I feel like that adds to your theory. Maybe she did have some
kind of affiliation with Chymeer, but it really depends. I wasn't expecting them
to find the bodies, but they don't know too that. Okay, this
was If Vernestra's that the whole theory doesn't pan outnce she doesn't know Chymera is,
then I feel like it was predicted. A while ago in the chat,
someone was pointing out how it could be sold and it doesn't look good
on Solt. He's just shut the colms off and he's blasted out of there,
so he looks suss sus By number one. Yeah, that was interesting.
Someone said that last week's Sorry, I can't give you credit for who
you are if you're watching it and let us know. But someone said,
oh, I think Soul's gonna be the complice, like or set up to
be the accomplice, and it'll all be pinned on him. I was like,
nah, I don't really see it that way. Now, it looks
like they could be going that way, so cret to you. I do
think they're doing it in a very easy way of like the guy just jumps
to it could be Soul and that's it, like they like and even then
too, his calms are off, but he did like the guy said,
like, oh it was a faulty line. It wasn't just like he was
at the fucking course. And then Soul's running through the halls like, don't
talk to me like that. I feel like it's a large leap to jump
to right away seeing this murder scene, right, and I guess their thing
was like, oh, well, Soul so talented, he's the one that
could have done this. It's like all right, I guess it just felt
like a massive I'm not opposed to the idea. I think it's a massive
leap in this episode, but I think that's the show does this unfortunate where
it gives you one line and then that's the direction they're going, like we've
seen with May, right, So I guess it could be it's just again,
how do they now even more jed I know about this, and they
like, what even if Soul gets set up. So it's like, what
it's gonna be the reasoning for him kill Like that's how I need to see?
Like what how are they gonna jump to, like this is the reason
he killed a Jedi? Well, yeah, that's the reason. Is the
big the big question obviously that they keep avoiding because he's not explaining to the
twins shout back at home and stuff like what like does everyone know the story?
Let's say Soul did just kill the fucking witches, right, let's just
say fuck them all up? Does Is that just calmnoledge for everybody then,
that he killed these witches? I don't think so, because they kept himplying,
like even in this episode, he's like, I didn't tell I have
to talk to the High Count and come forward with what I did. So
no one really knows except maybe Vernessa. Well not even Vernestra. She might
she could. She's because she didn't even know there were boys, right,
she has quo she didn't know there were twins. I think she knew about
the twins. I thought I thought she knew there was a dead twin.
That's what I think she knew. I think she I thought she knew that
she had a sister that had died and she awesome, I could. I
don't remember it that way, but I have to revisit the episode. My
lights are flickering, so if I drop out any moment that that's what's happening.
So a big storm. So one more thing just to add on to
that. So yeah, when he now is is to the council or says
that he has to go in front of the council and kind of tell them
everything. Oh fuck, did I lose my point? Oh fuck? Boys
the lightning hate you sports Lightning? Well, well, what do you think
about Venestra there and being potential Crimer's master anything? I liked that theory a
lot. I did not think about that at all during the episode, So
thank you for pointing that out. Appreciate you. That's why we pay you
the most. One sent No, I I think it makes a lot of
sense, just based on like Dalton pointed out, like just her vibe I
think throughout the entire episode. See you didn't use this word particularly well,
but I think it was Sus. I think it was Sus because she was
shown in this episode when we're like looking for a certain character that might be,
you know, a master former master so I think if just like analyzing
show overall, like as a show overall, not just like a star warsh
overall, like, it would make sense that that would be that character because
we haven't really seen much of her other than this she's super sus Apparently she
gets carsick when she goes into hyperspace, but I don't think that's the only
reason why she would have been that sus and just being kind of cagey around
Master Soul like she knows all. I mean, you guys know a lot
more about this character than I do, just from experiencing her in the books.
But she was in the books we read, we know everything, Okay,
No, she was. I think she's in the more young adult novels,
right, Taylor, because she was like a kid. Yeah, we
didn't read those ones, but her book has in it they go it all.
Yeah, yeah, cover is just the helmet. Apparently her being like
air sick is something that they carry her over from the books. So there
you go. They're they're keeping with that canon. Cannon. Yeah yeah,
and every once in a while, the I mean, since I'm talking about
her, the whip blade, it looked cooler than I thought it was gonna
look, honestly, I think we heard that. We heard that kicked me
out already, just just fucking hit the button. I saw you're reaching it
looked Are you fucking kidding me? It didn't look that bad now, Like
it wasn't used that much. I imagine if we have like an extended fight
scene, it would be a lot, but just her like shooting out.
I don't know, it didn't look that bad. I I kind of liked
it. Thumps down from Travis Snell. What do you think, Taylor?
Do you like the whip? I got no problem with it? I really
don't. I didn't got no problem with it. That's pretty good. Like
if I was if I if I'm a Jedi paddawan, I get to pick
my lightsaber here. I'm not running to the whip. I'll tell you that
much. But if you're an expert with it, by all means, go
for it. I'm I know what sabers I am using. I'm using dual
wheels. That's how Kimer. Chimer got his scar. He tried to use
her her blade and he just fucking whipped himself. You can't even use that
talking about her. Oh yeah, just just the tie. I think that
makes a lot of sense. I think there's a lot more to be revealed
with that character, and I don't know, I'm hoping that it's I'm hoping
that it's kind of like a like you can't really go back from what she's
done going forward. It would just make the character, I think, really
interesting, because right now she's just a green lady that kind of talks monotone
and gets sick in space travel. That's all I really know about her up
until that point. See what I want, Let's say we do that full
turn of the twin Switches and everything like that. Let's say the Dust settles
episode eight, like it's pretty much over phase the Black, and then you
kind of get an epilogue and you kind of get the same thing of Carrie
on Moss where Venstra or whatever Ernestra Venestra she's sinning somewhere doing something and someone
shows up and kills her when they take off the mask. It's fucking osha
because she's doing the same thing that uh May was doing to like get into
being a syth and stuff. But she's like gonna fulfit, like she's doing
the better version of not maybeing like fight me and stuff like no, she's
gonna like destroy them. That that's what I would love of Finestra gets killed.
And then they show and I know it might not be the big reveal
because like they have the same face, but like they'll show that, like
you'll know that it's Osha and they're like, oh man, she's on the
way link. Because what I don't want. This is what I really don't
want. I don't want them to turn Osha at the end of season and
then episode one or two season two have her go back against it because I
could see them just using I couldn't you see them though, using that as
a cliffhanger for a season of her joining and then the next episode directly been
like no act like like what they did right, Like actually, no,
I don't this is too far from me. And I could see them doing
that one hundred percent. That's like unforgiving that if they go that route,
I that'd be the biggest case of blue Ball. And I think and like
I want, first of all, I want her to switch, and I
hope that it's like something that's like along the line, like there's no going
back, like once she starts on this path, even if even if at
the end, it's like a Darth Vader thing like on her deathbed, like
maybe that maybe that where she's like I was r but like I don't even
want that because we already had that before, like I wonder to die.
I wanted to die thinking that the Jedi are the bad guys, and like
like that is her alignment because we don't really get that, like at all
at all. It's always Actually Vader came back, he's in he's in space
Heaven getting BJ's kylo Ren. We don't know what he did. Force goes
away and I was gonna say, it's only the big bats, but I
forgot smoke with Palpatine, so he's probably in space Heaven right now. He
probably said I I apologize on his deathbed, get thos getting is this good
enough for your master? Finally much House the Dragon? So of course that's
on my mind. Yeah. I was gonna ask though, because you're like,
oh, there's no way back for so what's so like if Osha or
May turns, what's the way back for her? Because she legitimately killed the
Jedi Master already May Yeah, remember she killed Carry more like she's I think
she can easily come back. I think there's oh yeah, how would you
live her whole life? Like buddy that doesn't say anything and just like meditates
twenty for seven, I think yeah, or like helps her helps people for
her whole life, I'd probably be a lot better than just not talking.
That's a I'd have to see that whole episode. That's just like imagine if
someone came and killed one of you guys, but then they came back and
said, ah, no, I didn't mean it, and they're like,
oh, you can be on the podcast, you know, yeah, okay,
I have to see that. I just that's always problem with Star Wars.
I do not believe like if if they just may turns good and we
can train her and she was on a dark they're not training her as a
Jedi, she's gonna go to jail. That would be They never go to
jail on these shows. No they don't. They don't, but I mean
that would be her face. She's she's not gonna come out as as a
Jedi, and that's not a chance because right now she's a fugitive of Soul
and Soul has gone rogue, which doesn't look good. Both Soul and her
just they don't look good. In this that's the rule of two. That's
the new rule of two. There's gonna be another one. Fuck. I
would love that if they revealed like Kimer the whole time was like her soul
was like the Kimer's master, and he was secretly really he was pulling the
strings, pushing. He's like, yeah, I killed those witches because I
hate them all and stuff. It'd be great. By no way, they're
not well. We still again, we need the answers. We still don't
know why and how. Kimer knows so much about the twins history, which
is interesting. He knows a lot about Osha being a Jedi, which is
interesting, especially because May thought Osha was dead and Osha thought maybe was dead
obviously as well, but Kimier knew that was not the truth and kept that
from May, which is interesting. So that's one thing. I just want
to touch upon this before we get too far off of it. But with
Vernestra and the other Jedi, it's interesting to see that the Senate is putting
pressure on them and saying, hey, we're gonna do basically, we're gonna
audit you the council. We need to do a thorough check of the Jedi
and so it always already shows that they are not in a great place.
Well this one center' is like, oh, the Jedi has always been transparent
with the Republic and Yehia Yeada Yadha, so you got nothing to worry about
the high But now there are a few episodes back, we know that they've
already been kind of keeping it on the down low with certain things. So
I like it because they've said many times this is the end of the Higher
Public era and this is when the Jedi are really starting to kind of fuck
up a little bit. And to all these naysayers out there, there was
people freaking out, So I'm going for theaysayers. People were freaking out,
but oh, you got seven Jedi they couldn't detect a dark Side user right
right there. And like, man, I love the people that are supporting
the show and they're like, yeah, well what about when Palpatine's Inn office
attack of the Clones. You got seven Jedi masters sitting right in front of
them. It's just it's a perfect thing and defensive Kymer as well. I
love that his helmet was explained too, with the cortosis and how it basically
eliminates his his vision but expands it at the same time to the force that
just man, this guy is just fighting blind, he just feels more deadly,
er and dangerous. I really love that. Also cool that they got
a cortosis vein basically this little hide out that he's been mining and building his
stuff out of. So I feel like to defend those people, even though
I feel like that meme does have some warmedess. I think it's kind of
like how I feel with Luke and how they make him less special. I
feel like those people would argue, well, the reason the Jedi can't detect
Palatine is because he's just that strong of a syth and a dark Side user.
And if you do this, which just like chime here, then all
Palpatine is just as strong as chime Here, and then again as the other
route, which people have debated about all week. It's like, well,
when Order sixty six happens, I know it's a lot of Jedi, but
still Yoda feels that and no one feels these Jedi getting killed. So it's
like it's very all over the place of what the Jedi can I can't feel
there's because a lot of Jedi are at this time all over the galaxy,
but this is like seven to eight at all once, and this probably hasn't
happened a long time, which was kind of strange. I know, like
even you said they did say this episode of like, oh, it could
have been the natural terrain that killed them. So I guess I just felt
it strange that they it didn't feel like a bigger It didn't feel like a
bigger deal than Astra and the guy you liked, Mog there or whatever,
Yeah, a big mog fan. When uh like, when they went through
that, it actually seemed to me like it's like it's not that big of
a well, it's a big deal that we lose Jedi, but like it's
not out of the out of the real possibility, because they were like,
yeah, there was whatever native specie that hatched, and they just well,
that would make sense why we had mash mass casualties. It's like really really
like that many Jedis get fucking bought by like natural flora. The Jedi just
suck, that's what they make it sound. Really. Yeah, so that
village got attacked, the Jedi probably got killed too. Yeah, well fuck
yeah, I guess we said the b squad like Master Soul makes sense that
he's still alive, but everyone else. Yeah, those were kind of bad.
So, like to me, I think the argument of like, like
last week when we were discussing this is like, isn't this insane that that
many Jedi go missing? And like no one figures that it's Sith. Now
it's like maybe a little bit more believability. However, they actually went there
and started investigating and found the corpses with like lightsabers in their body. Now,
if there isn't some crazy conspiracy theory that's attached to Venestra, I don't
even know what the fuck the Jedi are doing at this point in time,
because like, how do they not put two and two together that there's well,
I don't know what they call it Sith, that's what they're thinking.
They're thinking that for some reason, Soul snapped and decided to take out all
these people, which that's why we in these two episodes. Yeah, in
these two episodes. I need to know why they would think that, Like
would Taylor answered to me if I guess, let's say again, Soul murdered
all these witches and it's a known fact, and maybe I could see someone
being like, yeah, remember ten years ago when he just mastered those people.
Soul has done this before. But if it's not a known fact and
it's just good Master Soul, who's a couple of days ago teaching our young
lings, has a whole class of teaching young lings, then what's happening here?
Like I need a really good reason of why they can buy him as
the guy who turned because up unto now, there's nothing that would show signs
of it's not even before like oh, Soul, he's a rebel, like
the Council, like if they showed actively at the Jedi Council, the Jedi
Academy, like people don't like him or don't trust him. Maria's kind of
reckless. It's like, no, he got sent them multiple like missions,
even when they're like, oh, this might be a bit emotional for you,
like I can do it, and they're like, okay, we trust
you. But I think that's that's the turning point there is because it's getting
emotional for him and you have the return of a return of a girl that
was part of his past here that was supposed to be dead, and so
many things are just escalating so fast here for him. And again too,
it looks really dark and this went over my head at the time. I
kind of forgot about it, but just his super emotional, compromising state of
mind when Jeckie died, because I totally forgot if he is his apprentice,
it was his padawan, and yeah, it was losing her was super devastating
for him. And so which I wanted to bring up is that, and
I'm saying full on Jedi, is that the most emotional we've ever seen a
Jedi in live action. He's slamming his fist, He's killed Huskin Raider village
because he was emotional. Joe, You're pretty emotional, Okay, barring Anakin,
because I don't think the point of that story was Anakin's emotional getting to
the dark side. I don't think Soul is going to the dark side.
So Wren, I'd say, because he smashed his helmet like no, he
was the Knights of Wren. Then he raised on Jedi that point, in
my opinion, Luke once he became like Jedi night with the black like he
was pretty Stone Coals, ridses Skywalker, Ray just destroys the tie fighter on
ash Too and just throws the lightsaber in there. Is she a Jedi that
point, I guess, Oh, she's a jet, she's been trained by
Layash, she's got built her lightsaber, and I guess Obi Wan is pretty
emotional when Anakin's burning up like a marshmallow. So he was pretty He just
he did a beard stroke when he Anakin was burning up. He helped needed.
You don't discount you McGregor's great acting one. Yeah, I guess I
just thought again it is just like I still feel like it is on the
more rare side to see a Jedi that worked up and with tears. So
I like, I like seeing that's not a pro, like that's not conn.
I like seeing it because it shows how much notly just apprentice. I
just like souls. Like he's had a tough seventy two hours, you know,
like, yeah, he's lost all these Jedi, that girl he trained,
came back stuck with this suck fuck Basil sniff and everything. He thinks
got so much screen time in this show. Yeah he may that the girl
is dead's back and now there might be a sit or Dark Side user.
So yeah, it's been tough. I was gonna ask so Basil the whole
time, I don't know, he's running around. He's just humping me's leg
at one point, I don't know, and I hate that comedic beat when
that happened. Then she like squirted in the face, but like it was
like home alone tears. Yeah, he was like what it felt so weird
because we're going back and forth between that and like the serious scene of Chimere
and Osha talking to like, oh my god, but like, so did
it really? So? At one point he shoots her. Soul shoots May
and he figures it out and you know there's a but we already went over
this. He tries to tell like three times something happens. He tries to
tell the council, you know, whatever connection is shoes, but he shoots
her. Did he shoot her because he figured it out? Or did he
shoot because Basil told him? I think because Basil told him, fuck man,
But because Basil wasn't that scene when she went down Basil's right besides Seul,
I was like, fuck he did tell him? Didn't because he's in
on it, But like it doesn't make sense because I was getting confused,
like, Okay, well, Soul had to fix the transceiver, I guess
whatever it's called to get the calms back up. He went into that,
and then all of a sudden, the ship just died, and then we
get to a scene of Osha or May going to fix it, and we
got Basil just doing fucking who knows what, just breaking the ship, Like
what the fuck is this guy doing? Uh, like his first inkling.
I don't know why. We got the scene of him repairing Pip and then
Pip just going off with May. He knows something wrong. But fucking Basil's
hiding from a soul as well, like he's just being super cryptic. He's
crawling. We got a weird scene of him crawling through the vents with his
flashlight and May following him, and it's just completely irrelevant because it transitions to
a scene or Soul is like, oh shakamere uh just weird character Basil is.
I don't know, being that it was like a slight a high end
moment, like there were like switched out pit for like a different pit and
then that's what she resets. But I don't think that's is the case.
I think it's just yeah, no, he was in there for some commedic.
Really, Vasol is the Sith Master, I know, such a freak,
such a freak battle. I wanna fight me either, you wanna sniff
me either? Is there? I just again, I'm not trying to be
like what Kirkleans said, you don't want a backdoor, right, But I
just wish that next week we're gonna get the whole thing of you know,
what happened with Soul and the witches. I wish that that very beginning that
Basil sniffed her out right away, or Soul finds out, they take her
out, they lock her up, And I think what a great episode would
have been of going back and forth between Chimere and Osha talking about the you
know, dark side, all this stuff, and then Soul explaining his actions
other than like again the dark more personal stuff to like the comedic home alone
stuff. I think this episode would have been even better if imagine that going
back and forth between those two stories and really seeing and that's what I thought
we're gonna get, because like, oh, we're seeing like different versions of
a master Apprentice or the forming of one. But really it was just fucking
May running around trying not to be discovered and a lot of like hyjinks going
on in Soul. Great job by the actor looking very emotionally distraught, trying
to make a call. And why do you think he I guess he just
wanted to tell May. Why did he like turn off his columns and like
what is it? Hyperspace? Hyper speed out of there, questionable move I
feel I have absolutely no idea. Uh. I feel like it just adds
to the fact that maybe Vernestra and the other jed I don't know everything and
he ah, yeah, he just for whatever reason. We it's hard,
like we don't know why what he's holding on the inside, So we don't
know what his motivations are. We don't know why he needs to just be
alone with May, like you're gonna sit here and listen to the things I
have to say, because he's gonna try and justify his actions. I guess
it's just it's weird seeing a Jedi do this, But it goes hand in
hand with what Kimer was basically saying, like I've embraced my darkness, what
have you done with yours? And so this is him embracing his darkness.
I guess are getting it out on the table. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's hard to say at this point. Yeah, is there anything else we
haven't covered on this episode. M I found it humorous that the entire sequence
between Osha and chime here, it seemed like it was like a nine out
of ten episode for me, and then everything else is like a two out
of ten. It's just like like three out of ten. Like it's just
such a a shift on, specifically with Twin. With Twin, what Twin
is exciting for me and like intriguing to follow Twin is not me. I
am not very curious what they're gonna do with that character. I think she's
gonna die. I kind of hope she does, but for me, there's
I really don't see a path for me being invested in that character. For
with what they have presented so far, I think she dies, and they
give that one reason for Osha not to not to go back to the good
side, even though the show would probably use it as the reason for her
to go back to the good side, right like kid here will kill her
out of anger, and then she'd be like, no, the dog's that
is bad and I'm gonna go back with Master Soul, and Soul will be
like the Anakin thing, Well, there's my apprentice, and I have to
take her on I do think that maybe Soul will make it back up.
They're trying to frame him, so yeah, I don't know. And again
and with her, Soul is a death sentence in my eyes, like there's
no way that he can just end this on the Jedi Council just carry and
that's sorry to cut you off. He's gonna die and take the knowledge of
the Sith with them, like no one else is gonna unless Vernestra has some
kind of connection to Krime here, it's gonna die, yeah, I think
so, Like, sorry, did they confirm I can't remember. Did they
confirm a second season? No? Ten seasons? No? Yeah, I
don't. I I feel like we're damn all of this character, the character
made for ten. I think they're just rap. They're gonna wrap it up
in this season. Whatever Kyler Ren's theme song is involved, Like, I
don't apparently that is that gonna be wrapped up in this season. I don't
know, but what he looked up like he's just gonna look at it and
be like you want to be a Knight of Wren. I just don't like
the concept of these showrunners creating a season of a show and leaving it completely
open ended without that like guarantee of a second follow up season, because then
you're what do you then you get the comic book runs that follow it up
all that jazz. So also, I'll want to be clear. I'll clarify
because I'm the number one Kyler fanboy in the world and I didn't talk about
this in the non spoilers. I am not for this idea at all.
The Knights of Wren being a thing right now, I think that is some
of the biggest cannon bullshit. Like to tell me, the group that Kyla
Wren joins pre dates Plagueuts and Palpatine. That's some of the biggest Disney Like
we want to make our Star Wars feel more important. So it's like,
you know, those Nights Wren guys, they were actually here before Palpatine.
They're really important. Like if they do that ship with Cameer, No,
that's an instant point down as well, Like I hate that. So I
hate when they do that. Show you something you're gonna get, You're gonna
last, You're gonna laugh. This is official canon, a comp Palpatine meeting
the Knights of Brend. He fucks them up. It's so good. Really,
he's just electric because this is this is I don't know, go back
up as you remembers pars to when Austin gets that's An's mojoy. So really
they've made this is Wren himself, you know, and some people thought that
might be krimier eventually because look at it. Look it's the same thing those
arm he's jacked, he has the one whatever gauntlet, and he has a
cape and he has a helmet. So like, really they like again for
me, I throw out this cancast stuff because they don't care about they'll change
everything. But I don't like the fact that the Knights rent it around.
He recruits them too, see Palpatine's like, I'm sure we will put able
to put you to excellent use. I don't like it recruits them. Yeah,
they're all getting fucking toasted. They're just going to space heaven right now.
It's like, yeah, stupid, that's stupid. I don't like that.
So but again, they have done the live action everything, so if
they do that here, then it's just another dumb thing because it it I
still don't like as usual I said before, just and there's stuff in Georgia's
Stars I don't like. But I in general, leave George's stuff alone and
just move forward or very very far back, leave the fucking one to six
alone. I could maybe excuse it if we had finished Single Trojan and we're
like, man, the Knights are Rent, are fucking aweso, and they
made them cool, they give them the great story, then I would kind
of be down for Oh there is this lineage Knights Rent. But because of
what they did for them, I just hate as they go. Yeah,
they were like why could they have been? Like why they have to be
around while Vader and Palpatine are there? Why couldn't they have been a group
that came up in the four to or say the six to seven era,
Like why is that a thing that has to happen? Oh? What do
you show me now here? Okay, so that there's a character called Wren.
That's yeah, so the Knights of Wren Charge. It's just it's like
they want him to be that guy from Knights a Little Old Republic too.
Star Sign had a bit more fucked up though. This guy's still some skin
dark Sign. Sorry, look at all crusty there right before he just zaps
him in the face. Oh yeah, you my mojo. No one takes
my mojo and Osha that's who are there? I don't know. We're playing
with deadly were we talk about all these things and how it could work out
positive. I mean, I'm not gonna be positive. I don't have the
faith because then giving me the faith, So I just don't What are you
show me? Now? That's Luke and Kylo, Luke and Ben solo versus
Ret like a little bach in the corner there. Okay, first of all,
don't talk about that old guy like that. Ben has his lights here?
Ben is Oh you said, who is? I thought you were talking
about Kylo. I'm like, he has his lights saving a little bit.
I think that's the guy. Isn't that Sinteca or whatever? The guy that
make things right? Yeah? Which did you hear in the last episode of
the Star Wars comic It's gonna be a comic focus on Luke and Ben.
Luke and Ben. Yeah, so like for Star Wars fifty. But see
this is fine to me in the era of like Ben and Luke training together,
this is a great foe for them. But yeah, the Knights of
Friends start, I don't need them in the fucking like dark times and Knights
and this is what they're gonna do. There you go, that's who's a
chad. That's ky God damn is gonna look Kymer's gonna look even better in
thirty years, you know. So that's that's what people are theorizing that this
could be Wren. Alright, start because what else would you do? I
asked this Krooklam. They played the Nights of Ren and Leslie Headlin says,
well, we did for a reason. What's the reason, then, Kirkland,
I already told you I have no idea that if I'm put her in,
put her in, put myself in her shoes. Reason, I'm gonna
say that that is Wren time here here Wren. Like honestly, now that
I've seen images like that's probably like sixty five percent chance that that is the
case, probably even more sixty nine just to get a round number. So
yeah, that is rare. Do you think that right now? It's different
though, because like does he just change like nationality? Like up again,
he could look red, was absolutely white. He just gets zapped and he
just comes out white. That's just a white fucking iron jaw. As well,
like zac Efron after surgery, I can say you could try to stretch
and see he looks like a non white individual maybe you know, I don't
know. Go to that other image. Actually no, not that one.
Go up scroll up? Uh which no, down in the center? Yeah
that one. Well, he's a mask and we can't that's kinming right there,
I can. That doesn't help us. That's a sick shot though.
God, yeah, some of this comic book. I'm gonna be reading this
later. Oh yeah, you gotta read up with the Knight's friend. But
yeah, I don't care if they brace swamp and whatever. They've changed stuff
in the books. They've killed care the books and brought them alive and cannon
so they don't give a fuck, and neither do I anymore. You know,
just like the as I said fucking when we started this podcast years ago,
and as I've been proven right again and again again, hashtag cannon does
not matter. They don't give a fuck about it. For the most part,
caddymid, it really doesn't matter. You haven't seen the sit in the
millennia, which I know people are like, oh, well, this could
just be anything. I get it. But I just feel like there's a
guy that like he heard it and like he has no other suspicion, like
these Jedi died and whatever. It's fine. It's all from a certain point
of view, right, So yeah, we'll be here next week, breaking
down the actte see what's gonna happen. See if he becomes Alpha, chat
over there, what might happen. We got two episodes left. Good God,
let's hope they somehow bring this to a strong close. But I think
it's I don't know. I think we're we're we're in danger. We're in
deep waters right now. So we'll be back next week, and I promise
you it'll not be boring.