WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.360 This episode is sponsored by Cards Against Humanity, the only card Flora. They 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:18.480 asked us not to read an ad oh enjoy the show Shape Changers, Root 3 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:24.519 Monster Guys. Deep in the heart of the steck Upticon Layer Mega Chon Chon 4 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:30.399 lays out his latest nefarious plan to defeat oop Optimus Prime and the Florautobots. 5 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:37.600 Sasquawg take thunder Sounded to escape boss Swamp, where we can seize the human 6 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:43.439 technology to step down our voltage from four forty to a more manageable two twenty. 7 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:50.960 But Megan chan shot, I don't know what that's called. Never mind 8 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:58.719 the name, just go seize the technology. Meanwhile, at the Florado Bouts 9 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:03.920 headquarters of nineteen eighties, Tokyo Oop Optimist Prime addresses his loil Florautobots. So, 10 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:08.599 using my new algorithm, we were able to take a function in the 11 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:14.799 time domain and map it into the frequency domain. I call it a lapplause 12 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.680 tread Swamptimus Prime. There's trouble and skateboard swamp in North America. We'll need 13 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:25.959 to check this out. Bumble BEVP. You're with me, Florautobots, get 14 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:38.480 going, keep me down. Thundersounder We need to loathe this equipment before the 15 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:52.959 Florado batterrive. Look, bumbled LEVP, it looks like they're trying to steal 16 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:59.519 electrical equipment. Are you going to eat that, Princel? You're right, 17 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:04.920 bumble BVP. It sure does look like a ferromagnetic core wrapped in copor windings. 18 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:20.039 Let's take care of this. Floratobots get going to Florado botzar Year. 19 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:34.360 I don't know why they're just here. We have to go. You'll kiss 20 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:43.560 your primary engineer with that BA star square. Drop that electrical equipment after this 21 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:53.560 pride. It's not random electrical equipment. We're stealing, tres drop it because 22 00:02:53.599 --> 00:03:00.960 tears are creaky. That's right, bubble BVP. Whose stars clog to mega 23 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:09.000 chat chat. We have to leave. That was a close one, mumble 24 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:16.400 BVP. Looks like that electrical equipment was more than meets the eye shape changers 25 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:30.400 Robot monster eyes. Yes, that is the high quality drum drama you expect 26 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:38.680 from US drama JERBA drama man. Hello, everybody, how do how dud 27 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:44.560 indeed? Welcome to Blurry Photos. I'm David Flora, I'm Dave Stecco and 28 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.840 and there is no end it is a two man operation, and there's no 29 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.159 room for a sexy third wheel. There's an end today, mother Liquor. 30 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.120 That's right, we become a badass big wheel. Flora and I, the 31 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.639 little tiny ones in the back floor, is the little with the break because 32 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:03.919 he knows how she works. I broke mine where you see, we have 33 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:10.280 a very special big wheel. Because today we are talking today, tonight till 34 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:17.519 whenever you're listening, we're talking about robots, boots, more specifically, robotcalypse. 35 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.920 Is robot apocalypse or robopocalypse? Well, I think robo is what the 36 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:30.240 kids are saying. Robopocalypse the idea that we are currently building the machine of 37 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:36.639 our own demise, that robots will inevitably overthrow us all and and we are 38 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:42.560 just just happily skipping down the path. And uh we we mentioned it on 39 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:48.759 the Apocalypse episode. This one's honing in because we have a bona fide expert. 40 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.920 That's right, we did. We had this is this one's out of 41 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.480 our pay grade, and so we brought in. Our guest today is Johnny 42 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.839 Ma. He's a processed automation engineer, a master student who focus on robotic 43 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:11.639 control system and the alumni mentor for UC's Robotics Club engineering design team. Who 44 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:17.480 this mother Hubbard knows robots like I know saving the Titanic, which is to 45 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:23.720 say, very well and also with a lot of shame. Hello, Johnny, 46 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:26.920 Hey, Dave, Hey David. Thanks for having me. It is 47 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:31.120 our delight. So let's let's talk. We've got We've got a pretty good 48 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.360 road to walk with you, Johnny, and at the end of it, 49 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:40.720 we're all dead. Does it have to be this way? I'm gonna go 50 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.959 ahead and say that it does not have to be this way. I think 51 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.360 a robo of pocalypse is very unlikely. Oh, Jojose is your typical, 52 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.560 typical pro robot talk. I mean, I should have betted this guy before 53 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.759 he came out. I didn't realize we're gonna have to listen to his his 54 00:05:54.879 --> 00:06:02.759 propaganda. You want to keep your family saying, stop using fear and intimidation 55 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.079 to make money. Now where I have a quick break? Do you love 56 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:11.240 your family? Are you worried about the coming cataclysm? If your family does 57 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.279 not have clean fresh water to drink, colloidal silver to rub all over their 58 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.519 bodies, and fresh will food pouches with my face on them, you don't 59 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:25.600 love your family. So um yeah, okay, So so what we're gonna 60 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:30.480 talk about in this episode is, um, I guess how how would the 61 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:36.879 world go about, uh spiraling into a robopocalypse? Uh? And then what 62 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:43.920 what can we do to save ourselves? Stairs would be the best defense against 63 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.279 all that? Snap? He did go there? Yeah, I mean like, 64 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.759 yeah, I guess what we're looking at is why why are robots on 65 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:56.519 the wheel of potential death? And what are we doing now to not only 66 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.560 move towards them killing us, but what are we doing to keep them from 67 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.040 killing us when we get there? So yeah, let's start. Let's start 68 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:08.920 with well, tell us a little bit about what you do in your Rome 69 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:13.199 words, what you're working on these days. A reminder you are under oath 70 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:19.680 well and volunteering at the Chicago Engineering Design Team. I basically come in a 71 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:24.560 couple times a week, help out young students, learn about robotics, learn 72 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.439 how to fabricate in design robots. It's a really good club. It's free 73 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.079 for anyone to join. A lot of these students come from zero to one 74 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:38.879 robot households and they have a non robo noormative. They've never had a robot 75 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:46.560 to look up to. Broken homes zero to one robot household. Yeah, 76 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:53.040 it's a it's basically just a laboratory slash workshop where any student can come in 77 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:57.319 and collaborate with other students on robotics projects. And you swoop in to be 78 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.639 like whoa, whoa, whoa, guys don't have the brand. Yeah, 79 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.680 you're focused on the death claw, but you really need a buzz so your 80 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.199 armature doesn't even work. What goodes the death claw without a functioning programmable armature? 81 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.439 Exactly? You see a big picture, yeah, exactly about the basics. 82 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:18.199 Yeah. We go to three competitions a year. One is the Jerry 83 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.759 Sanders Creative Design Competition, which is for telepresence robotics, which is basically a 84 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:28.160 fancy way of saying remote control. Okay, We go to one put on 85 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.279 by the United States Department of Defense. The Intelligent Ground Vehicle Competition is that 86 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:41.320 in any way connected to DERAPA at all, mk ultra it is there's an 87 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:46.639 obstacle course in Michigan where different teams from all around the world compete and see 88 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.799 whose robot can go the furthest around the obstacle course. Do do robots ever 89 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.559 finish it? Or is it it just like a grueling hellscape and you just 90 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:56.879 get as far as you can. Some do finish it. Occasionally, the 91 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.919 course changes from year to year, and if people seem to be able to 92 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.240 beat it, they'll increase the difficulty next year. Okay, and if and 93 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.159 if the winning team gets whisked away in a windowless van, the winning team 94 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:18.840 gets twenty thousand dollars and that's awesome. But they redid the interior, so 95 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.240 yeah, it's it's really comfortable. It's a nice ride, it's got some 96 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.360 it's got some Sabbath on the stereo, so you're doing all right. What's 97 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:31.559 the third painted on the side. The third is the Lunar Mining competition from 98 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:39.240 NASA, and that is where student teams compete against each other to compete in 99 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.279 a simulated lunar environment, or this year it's a Martian environment where they have 100 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:50.360 an autonomous robot which attempts to collect certain types of material from the Martian landscape 101 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.080 while avoiding other types of material. So basically, you can think of in 102 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.000 the soil aggregate, there's certain desirable compounds you'd like to gather and some that 103 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.960 you'd like to leave behind. So it's who can gather the most of whatever 104 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.200 the desired compound is in the least time, it's like well navigating a new 105 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:13.879 new timey prospector. Yeah, it's it's chickens Bot twenty fifteen, the Mars 106 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:20.080 Rush. You guys know Gus Chickens. No that it's I'm going to take 107 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.039 the time to explain it because I love Gusts Chicken so much. He's a 108 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.279 a one time use Will Ferrell character when he was on Saturday Night Live, 109 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:33.919 who is just an old timey prospector that just shows up to inappropriate places and 110 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.480 he's, oh, I remember the guy. He's covered in pots and pans. 111 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:43.600 And now I'd be more worried about Koch if I were you. Now, 112 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:48.320 Uh, Flora and I actually went to visit the robotics lab and we 113 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.759 got to see this exact robot in It's in its build state as it as 114 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.759 it moved forward. It's got a high capacity hopper, you can hold a 115 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.679 lot of aggregate. Got some treads. Now is it? So? Does 116 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:05.679 it does it load and then separate or does it preferentially load? I believe 117 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:11.080 the current iteration of it uses a sieves system to preferentially load. Nice, 118 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.559 but that's who knows. It could always change. Well, that's design, 119 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.559 isn't it right. I've altered the project scope. Pray do not alter it 120 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:24.039 further. Yeah. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. This 121 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.519 is what I like. So I'm glad that we talked about like mining on 122 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.559 Mars, mining on the Moon. What is the purpose then, of as 123 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:37.279 we make more complex robots and they're good news? There are no stairs on 124 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.559 Mars or on the Moon that the government has allowed you to know about it. 125 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.080 This is just one episode. Dude. Oh my nose is bleeding. 126 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:48.080 We have a rule. We spread this shit out. Okay, that's how 127 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:54.600 you get multiple seasons of a podcast. Um. So, given the fact 128 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.639 that we are making increasingly more complex robots, and you have the best idea 129 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:05.440 of how well we're doing with that, do you think that it is necessary 130 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.279 or even um worthwhile to send humans into space? I think it's very worthwhile 131 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:16.519 to send humans into space because it's so cool, it's awesome. Why would 132 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.519 you not want to go to space? Correct answer everything. Well, here's 133 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.000 the thing. Whenever someone is an expert on robots, you got to know 134 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.759 who side they're backing, and the best way to do that is to ask 135 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.799 a series of questions and very calmly, get your gun out here to help 136 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.159 us, all right, good, help get us into space? All right? 137 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:37.399 Then once there, it's anybody's game. It's like the Wild West, 138 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.679 dude, because we do have I mean, is there's space for both humans 139 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.799 and robots seeing So what do you think do you think it's easier to start 140 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.480 at the end and discuss why people are so damn afraid of robots overthrowing everything 141 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:56.320 and then kind of build that back to I think we save it. Okay, 142 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:03.320 I think we save the dessert. I'm interested in how we get to 143 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:09.480 that point to where robots actually I guess become sentient and want to take the 144 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.840 world for themselves or whatever whatever they want. What do they want? Yeah? 145 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.960 And I imagine you can get down a rabbit hole of how you how 146 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.519 you would define sentience and to what degree, because I mean, a very 147 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:26.039 elaborate set of operating instructions could mimic sentience. It could. It could create 148 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:33.080 a situation where a robot is making its own decisions about but but still operating 149 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.960 within its parameters, but or even learning the robots trying to harm you. 150 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.159 You don't really care if it's self aware you just you're trying to be harmed. 151 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.240 You're right, yeah, that giant pipe wrench. It goes back to 152 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:48.360 like why does the robot want to harm you? You know, does so? 153 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.919 I mean there's like either spiteful harmware robot has decided you know, yes 154 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.960 I do need to eliminate these humans there in my way, or if you 155 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.480 read different AI researchers, they'll talk about, you know, accidental harmware. 156 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:07.080 You can have a robot whose function is to build as many cubes as possible, 157 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.080 and it will eventually run out of material, and there's material and humans, 158 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:15.279 so it will just not even differentiate between raw building material. Bone cubes 159 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.320 are almost as good. Um. You know. There was a really interesting 160 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.759 thing they were talking about with I mean, an autonomous the Google cars that 161 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.120 they keep talking with, these autonomous navigating cars, those are Google cars. 162 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.639 Those aren't robots, you know, they they absolutely are. And there there's 163 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.559 been a lot of discussion about how do you program, for lack of a 164 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.519 better word, ethics into a car a car. Say say, for example, 165 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.279 you're in your Google car, you're your autonomous car. You're ripping down 166 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.120 the roadway, you're going over a bridge and up ahead of you is a 167 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.639 bus full of school kids. You can't slow down in time. What does 168 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.759 what does the your autonomous car do? It can either veer you off the 169 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:03.799 bridge, I kill you, thus saving the busload of kids. It can 170 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:09.399 continue going and slam everyone into the busload of kids. I assume a robot 171 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.200 would be smart enough to not be going so fast in the first place. 172 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:15.279 But we're ignoring that part of this. It could have been hacked, could 173 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:20.559 have been hacked well then by it could have been hacked by that four chan 174 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:30.080 teenage cybersecurity experts. That's right. I think when you introduce an outside force 175 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:35.919 to that, then I don't think I don't think the outcomes are irrelevant at 176 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.279 that point. But I mean, it's gonna it's gonna do whatever the outside 177 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.399 force wants it to do. You know, it's going to slam into it 178 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.519 or kill It's gonna do one or the other. Right, But what what? 179 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:46.799 Which? What does it? What do? What do you program it 180 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.720 to do? What? Choice? Because I mean my example is a bad 181 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.279 one because it assumes that it wouldn't have stopped in time. But there are 182 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.759 situations that I'm just not thinking of right now. Wherein that where it's it's 183 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.480 plausible that you would find yourself in a situation. Does the car kill you 184 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:06.440 the passenger, or does it does it opt to drive into three people on 185 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.639 a sidewalk or you know, like, I think that's the main sort of 186 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.039 realistic danger you would have with the robot is having unforeseen consequences of how it's 187 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.200 programmed. Yeah, whereas you know, you'll read a lot about evil robots 188 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.000 are coming to get you, Whereas realistically it could just be, hey, 189 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.120 someone didn't carry you one and now this robot is just mad with rage, 190 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:33.679 and but what is rage? Some guy? Yeah, some guy is not 191 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.639 as good as math as he thought he was. Or well, I'm just 192 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:44.679 thinking that in that case, the robot would probably do the most statistical probability 193 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.759 to keep you alive, right, I mean you would think, I mean, 194 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:56.639 unless it's programmed to the most statistical probability to keep the most number of 195 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.480 lives alive. I don't know. I wish there were easy laws of botox, 196 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:08.279 like yeah fo yeah, yeah, zeroth law. I you know what 197 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:14.599 as am off around here? I don't know that I can find anything nice. 198 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.880 I've never read. I've never read asimof look at me not ready for 199 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.279 this episode. So, Daisy, what are the rules? First rule, 200 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:29.039 don't talk about robot, don't. I just want you to say that no 201 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:34.799 robot can harm a human right, No robot may harm itself unless all right, 202 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.720 let's fine, fine, you chuckle heads, I'll ask a robot. 203 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:42.440 I'll just escort myself to the penalty box. Now. No, no robot 204 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:48.720 can where a viola can can do. No. No, do the rule 205 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:53.480 to that that violates the first rule. No, no robot hurt nobody. 206 00:17:55.359 --> 00:18:02.759 That's the rule. I my mom, no robot, Okay, robot, 207 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:07.440 all right, here we go. My name should be Chill. The three 208 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:14.240 laws of robotics, as written by Isaac Asimov in his book I Robot are 209 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:21.880 As, follows. In Chinese, it's e robot. In franch it's a 210 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.200 robot. One. A robot may not injure a human being or through an 211 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:32.400 action, allow a human being to come to harm. Two. A robot 212 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:36.119 must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would 213 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:41.240 conflict with the first law. Three, A robot must protect its own existence, 214 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.319 as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law. 215 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:52.359 Robot four. Sat Davis High School fotball rules. So great, So 216 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.240 there you go. Those are those are I mean that that works? There's 217 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.319 this works for Asimov? Yeah, work for will Smith? Did it? 218 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.200 Did it? So? What was it in you know, a robot that 219 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.599 caused them to be malicious? Though it was an intentional programming, it was 220 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:14.200 it was done by someone else, like someone was like the robots weren't doing 221 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:18.200 anything wrong, someone hacked their code and made them into an army of dick 222 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.559 first so that they they ignored the rules, right, Yeah, I don't 223 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.200 know. I mean I don't think they're a programmed to not follow them, 224 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.240 right, Yeah, I don't think robots had the option of ignoring rules. 225 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.279 They just have Daniel Pool or whatever his name was. Yeah, stop, 226 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.039 it's right. I mean we're a long way off from the robots making decisions. 227 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:41.359 I don't know if you guys saw last year there was a huge deal 228 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.759 where a team of students from I think Harvard had an autonomous robot by sandwich 229 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:51.000 from subway or it might it might have been University of Tokyo, but some 230 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.119 school they gotten all the robotics press for having a robot by a submarine style 231 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:03.480 sandwich. So we can speculate about these things. But right now that's cutting 232 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.920 edge. Look, let's build a robot to punch itself in the nuts. 233 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:12.720 I would do that, suckbots. But here's the thing. We call it 234 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:21.640 it Projects scorpion Um. But but these things, these things, these things 235 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:26.799 advance so quickly that that every one of these milestones is as kind of silly 236 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.799 as it may be. I mean, within our lifetimes, I mean these 237 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.599 are going to get very very I mean we will have like when we're when 238 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.279 we're in old age homes, we will have robotic helpers. That's that. 239 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.839 What do you think do you feel like that's It depends what day you ask 240 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.240 me on that. I think there is well, computers will continue to keep 241 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:52.119 getting better and better. Robots is a very difficult field where you need If 242 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:56.400 there was a firm with unlimited money and unlimited resources, they could probably get 243 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.200 there. But realistically, son of people are competing against each other where I 244 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.519 feel like we don't have the robotics growth that we could have, and that 245 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.640 stinks. I would like to see. I would like to see more robots, 246 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.960 and I think I think that yeah, pro robot, probot, prot 247 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.920 I think that we're gonna have more. I think it's I think it's going 248 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:17.599 to blow up. I think in the next ten years. I mean, 249 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:22.160 look at the rate at which just like we're talking about Moore's law, Well, 250 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:29.240 the that's the about computing power more. Uh, the watchmend More's law 251 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:33.119 that the better year graphic novels are the weirder. You have to look how 252 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:40.559 that goes. No, I mean there's there are groups working to commonize pieces 253 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:47.319 of robotics research. UM robot Operating System is an open source project where Ross 254 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:51.039 robbering System. I don't know what I'm talking about. It's for people who 255 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:56.799 can read but only three letters. It's the idea of making as much of 256 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:02.599 robotics software open source as possible. So I can write a program to control 257 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.160 a robotics arm and whatever my preferred languages, and then you could fortranport that 258 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.559 usually Fortran, and you can import that to control your robotic arm at different 259 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.160 projects. So that way, it is pushing people away from repeating things that 260 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.039 have already been done before. So right, that gets a lot of the 261 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.680 low level lifting out of the way for you to try new novel things. 262 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:27.240 And I imagine that there's so many I mean, it's not an AX that's 263 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:33.000 so many different Like you see these robots. Sony is making robots, um 264 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.279 uh is it Toyota, Honda Honda? Thank you? And I think Toyota 265 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.519 has some robots at all, but you're talking about the one that walks up 266 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.000 the stairs and yeah, they all they all look like they just took it 267 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.799 down their pants. Um but they but they all operate very similarly because these 268 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.759 companies are all developing them from scratch, and they're kind of they're like just 269 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.200 what you said, they're they're no, they're not sharing at all, actually 270 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.039 there, but they're they're they're duplicating work that the other has already done. 271 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:07.000 Um, but what you said earlier, like you mentioned Google buying up a 272 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.200 ton of robotics tech companies. I mean, like most of the companies that 273 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.079 had contracts with DARPA in the last eighteen months have been bought by Google. 274 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:19.720 I mean this now that Google is a very forward looking company. Do you 275 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:23.759 do you think that? I mean, and I'm very consciously trying to stay 276 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.319 away from like, oh, do you think they're trying to control our future? 277 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.440 There? They're a tech company, but they see they see a profitable 278 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.279 future in robotics. They're they're trying to get in on the ground floor of 279 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:37.279 as much of this work so they don't have to build it up from nothing. 280 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:45.720 They're already cherry picking the most promising robotics programs and designs available and and 281 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.200 and buying them up for for good knows what reason. I don't know, 282 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.480 Sentinels, stop the mutants. Boston Dynamics, which if geez, yeah, 283 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.039 any of the listeners. Oh, it's already been discussed. So no, 284 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.240 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Don't go to YouTube. Do a just do 285 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:04.200 a bang search for Boston Dynamics pet Man and you'll see some incredible videos. 286 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.160 You you just had to bing searcher, didn't You had had to drop that 287 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:18.319 if you know, a different decision engine should use Internet. I'm all yours, 288 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.200 Johnny. Do you watch fringe? I have never seen fringe, but 289 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.359 this is exactly the kind of quirkiness I associate with a robotic expert. They 290 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:33.200 there's a mega um technology corporation called Massive Dynamics that's based in Boston. Oh 291 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:37.440 really yeah, it's really really funny. So so my question is, then, 292 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.119 like, what do you think the purposing of that is, if if 293 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:45.160 not to functionally build a future business on robotics. I mean, I don't 294 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.079 know. I'm asking me to speculate what the people to build a functional future 295 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:53.440 robotics. I mean I think that uh, autonomous cars will be a very 296 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.400 profitable thing. Whoever it gets that problem right. Yeah, and I personally 297 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:02.720 can't wait for them neither hat driving on the highway in the commute, I'm 298 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:04.279 all for having a glass of scotch and of read a book on the way 299 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.160 home from work. Yeah. And if that can't come fast enough for me, 300 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.920 the more cars that are autonomous, the less traffic there is, the 301 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:15.000 less submissions. I think you wouldn't need stoplights. No, they would just 302 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.200 time themselves to go through. It would be fantastic, exactly. It would 303 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.000 be glorious. And the other thing is that you wouldn't need to buy a 304 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:27.920 car anymore. There would just be this continuous car jump like functionally. Yeah, 305 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:33.519 I mean, it's exactly like you pour superglue on yourself instead of I 306 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.720 mean, instead of buying a car. It's just like Uber or anything else. 307 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.599 You buy into a service wherein you have access to their fleet of cars 308 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.480 and there's always a car near you, and so now you don't need parking 309 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.480 lots anymore, sign me up for that, you know, I mean there's 310 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.119 so much wasted space taking up a parking lots. But then when you're in 311 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.119 Chicago you can never find a place to park. It's a fine. So, 312 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:57.599 yeah, the car drops you off, it goes, it goes right 313 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:03.119 back into circulation with other things, or or maybe they do have if if 314 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.960 you know, obviously demand at five pm on a Wednesday is going to be 315 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:10.559 much different from you know, five am on a Sunday morning. And so 316 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.119 maybe they go into hubs, but there's always a car ready to pick you 317 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.200 up and drop you off. But in they're all playing by the exact same 318 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:22.200 rules, the efficiency, the lack of emissions. It's it's great, it's 319 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.240 safer. I mean, think how many car accidents happen due to negligence on 320 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.720 the part of the driver, right, you do hear occasionally mechanical failures in 321 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.440 the car, but that accounts for a much smaller percentage. Well that's another 322 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.680 thing too, like are they going to be self repairing cars or they're going 323 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:44.039 to be you know, little car bots drones that fly around to command and 324 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.880 when there's a malfunction or something, you know, do you well, that's 325 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:49.440 a whole new How do you know how bad the malfunction is? Can you 326 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.000 make it back to the shob yourself? Yeah? Do you need to? 327 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.200 The compute day onboard computer would just relay you know, everything that's wrong and 328 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:03.240 take a worse case scenario, like I imagine you're you're whipping down in our 329 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.960 fair city of Chicago. You're whipping down Lakeshore Drive, and your car experiences 330 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.559 a malfunction. It determines that it cannot continue to go, so it makes 331 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:17.039 its way to the side or the other cars, which are also autonomous communicating, 332 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:21.200 make room for it. It slides over one of those cars that's empty, 333 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.240 pulls in right behind you. Another one pulls next to it to block 334 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.200 any other traffic, which you don't need to block anyway, because they're all 335 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.279 aware that there's a problem because of the laws, they've automatically rerouted themselves. 336 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.599 And you simply walk to the other car. You go about your business, 337 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:40.200 and maintenance car has already been dispatched to the location. There's virtually no interruption 338 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.599 to anything in that worst case scenario. Now, I actually no, that's 339 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.400 not the worst case scenario. That's the best case scenario for a malfunction. 340 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.599 If the malfunction is you don't have any breaks yep, or are you suddenly 341 00:27:51.640 --> 00:28:00.400 can't the car is submergible, slow you down like the classic pincers maneuver abotic 342 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.920 cop would do that. Oh man, what about a Johnny cab. You're 343 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:17.039 in a Johnny cab hell day, huh. I mean they'll probably be able 344 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.240 to, um, you know, be submergible and you could just drive on 345 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:22.920 into the lake if you need to, right at that point, right, 346 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:26.799 everybody, right, that's just me. No, they'll obviously be able to 347 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:32.759 also get you a subway sandwich. We've solved that problem. People one number 348 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:38.119 four, well, I mean you've heard of the Amazon and uh, he'll 349 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.160 just Amazon U having the drones that they want to get to deliver packages to 350 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.720 people, right like you order something online and then like four hours later it 351 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.799 buzzes in on a drone. They're currently testing that in England. The FAA 352 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.440 roles in the US ban it out right, so they're never going to they 353 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.599 don't get to test them, but they're currently testing it in a limited in 354 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:07.599 England right now. I wonder how it's going. Hey buddiss, hey friends, 355 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.319 it's not six is in sevens. Get your mince meat pies delivered to 356 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:18.920 your door to hours nice the good life. I said birds, Someone say 357 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.400 birds. Um, I wish we could have the Amazon drones here. That'd 358 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.799 be fantastic. People would knock them out of the skies for fun though. 359 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:32.319 Yeah, yeah, thugs kids. What's the difference? No, I mean 360 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.000 let them try. Amazon will clump with the more evasive drone. There's no 361 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.279 human pilot on it. You can perform maneuvers that would you know, make 362 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.960 a normal pilot black out. I don't know. You can target wamp rats 363 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:49.559 and your T sixteen turning the targeting computer shut myself. Yeah, two shade 364 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:55.920 gentlemen. But like I because I like in my work, like I work 365 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.640 at an art at an art auction house, so I have to make sure 366 00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.160 that things don't get stolen or or things like that. I was thinking about 367 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.720 security. So so my mind, part of my litmus when I walk through 368 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.720 a room is well, what would I take, like if something sticks out 369 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.880 to me, is something that's particularly easy to do? I would I'm like, 370 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.440 Okay, then we're gonna make sure you know, it's like the way 371 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.279 anyone would do that. I ain't in my heart of hearts. If I 372 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:22.240 saw a little basketball sized drone, yeah, Amazon drone whipping by, I'd 373 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:23.400 be like, man, if I had a baseball in my hand right now, 374 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.240 you know I'm put that thing they would you be able to hit it? 375 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:33.279 I mean try and you know, throw snowballs at birds and fail to 376 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.039 hit them. What's to say? Thing? If you have will smaller robot 377 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.480 kids who are programmed to throw rocks at these drones. You've got a backpack 378 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.279 full of little little robots that throw tennis balls. That's the thing. These 379 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.160 kids are smart nowadays, They're going to build small robots to throw rocks at 380 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.480 these robot drones. It's gonna be brilliant. They got trajectories down, they 381 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.000 got velocities down. They're already working on how to combat that though. With 382 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:03.200 the facial recognition and ce TV cameras everywhere, they'll they'll have you apprehended in 383 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:08.359 ten minutes. Bro, it'll be worth it. Took that bird down. 384 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:15.319 Somebody didn't get a Danielle Steel novel out Win America wins, It's right. 385 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:23.480 So yeah, I mean like there's there's so many different ways that robots are 386 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.680 are currently or just about to be a part of our lives. And I 387 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.799 mean obviously, you know, robotic manufacturing has been around for the majority of 388 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.640 our lives. UM you know, mechanical mechanically assembled things. It's one of 389 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.960 the reasons why UM our TVs are so cheap, and that's why we don't 390 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.319 have repair shops anymore, because people can't replicate the work of the robots. 391 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:52.200 They can't they can't solder circuitry as finely as these robots do. And the 392 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.519 reason why chievs are so cheap that we don't need to repair them any longer. 393 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.079 It costs more to repair than to replace them because of robots. You 394 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:07.359 guys like TVs? Anybody watch TV? Actually, Oh so Johnny, tell 395 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.480 us what a robot goes into Making a robot? Can you boil it down 396 00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.839 to like like five steps? Like, yeah, that's a really good question. 397 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:27.759 So if you're going to I don't know, I never built a robot. 398 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.319 Oh I hear something. First of all, you need to really define 399 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.960 what the robot is going to do. I think most people I know, 400 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:37.599 probably in my head when I first started building robots, I think like, 401 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.319 oh, this is gonna be my little robot helper. He'll do everything. 402 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.319 Um not really if everything is to you know, pick in place, I'll 403 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.920 try a components on a circuit board for soundering, you know, then everything. 404 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.160 So you really have to define what the robot will do. Once you 405 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.480 have that, then you can start brainstorming ways to accomplish the goal. So, 406 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.799 if we're on to do a robot to navigate an obstacle course like which 407 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:07.599 is a very real thing that people do, you have to decide, Okay, 408 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.759 what are the sizes of the robot, like it kind of does have 409 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.920 to carry things. Is gonna be gonna be small? How long does it 410 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.920 need to last for in terms of energy like power usage, things of that 411 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.240 nature. You do that, then you can start doing your actual like planning 412 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.799 and design of the robot itself. Once you've brainstormed how it's going to accomplish 413 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:35.519 those goals. It's going to have kick ass flames. Flame decals are step 414 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:40.039 to five getting ahead of miss No, it's we work in parilel. Usually 415 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.240 you have to flame decals, you know, because vector graphics can scale them 416 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:46.480 up or you can scale them down. So you got to go vector. 417 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.920 You need you need you need to be thinking about the flame work right off 418 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.119 the bat. But it doesn't get applied till the separates the pros from the 419 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:58.279 amateurs. Right. Um, No, you can build some small prototypes, 420 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.599 get the proof of concepts work, and once that happens, you can scale 421 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.640 it up. And so there will always be problems. Then you go back 422 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:10.199 and try and eliminate individual problems. Then realistically the robot could always have some 423 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.760 kind of improvements to it. You get to a point where this is close 424 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.199 enough for Jazz, I'm doing what it needs to do. Now is there 425 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:25.039 a component of programming into some kind of jeez, I don't see. I 426 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:29.360 you're the expert. I'm trying to like come up with the terms. Is 427 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.599 there do you do you put in programs anything? Do you do you do 428 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.920 you program it with with code or anything? Or is it something different some 429 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.320 kind of different. Yeah, it's usually a collection of computer programs running. 430 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:49.800 So earlier in the episode we mentioned robot operating system and the rope do you 431 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:55.239 think of The creators call it ROSS, But it's a publisher subscriber network of 432 00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.159 computer programs. So it's a meta OS which it's on top of a Linux 433 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:05.440 computer or series of Linux computers, and you have lots of different programs that 434 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.760 are each doing their own thing, and they communicate back and forth to each 435 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.599 other, and they do it in a very public way where everybody gets to 436 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.639 see the data. Everybody being the different programs see the data being broadcasted, 437 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:22.039 but only certain programs will utilize some the data. So you might have we're 438 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.960 talking about autonomous cars, you need line detection. How can you identify the 439 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.360 lines on the road. That's a very real thing. So you'd have one 440 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.800 program looking for that, and then that would relay information and say, hey, 441 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.719 you are veering too close to a line on the left, and that 442 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:43.039 would give that data to the steering components and it would correct the course and 443 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.760 you're going too fast, you know, things of that nature. So it's 444 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.719 usually not just one program. It's it could be hundreds of programs running simultaneously, 445 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.440 and they have different usually like there to be a safety program where hey, 446 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.960 we're very not control override everything, put on the brakes. You see 447 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.920 prioritize programs. But and are these all on board or did you the way 448 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.320 you were saying it, it sounded like they were from like some centralized system. 449 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.880 You know, it depends. Sometimes it's all on board. A lot 450 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.199 of times there will be some components of it that are off board, where 451 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.360 a computer is very expensive usually in terms of power consumption. So if you 452 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.800 can get away with it, it's nice to be able to dump a lot 453 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.320 of that stuff off of the actual robot itself. Yeah, unless you had 454 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.000 an unlimited power source, right or yeah, I mean we're still working on 455 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:37.239 that. Is that is that one big drawback of that's desci why we're talking. 456 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.480 You know, the robo apocalypse is coming with current battery technology. That's 457 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.599 that's a good point. You know, you never think about the power that 458 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.760 they need to actually snap a neck. I mean I think about it all 459 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.960 the time. They can snap a few necks, but eventually they're going to 460 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.760 run out of energy. Well, and I think that that's something that that 461 00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:00.440 that not just the robotics industry, but but but I mean the world in 462 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.920 general. Is this technological bottleneck at batteries right now? Oh, most of 463 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.159 the low hanging fruit has been picked already for improvements in battery technology. We're 464 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.599 making small incremental improvements. But it's just one of those logistic things where you 465 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:21.079 know, everybody watches the zombie survival shows, but no one ever writes into 466 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.480 the script, Well, Okay, the stabilizing agents in the gasoline have all 467 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:30.480 broken down, so we can't use these motors anymore. A bitch to Annie 468 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.679 all the time about how are they still driving on season five or six or 469 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:40.039 whatever the they're on. I'm like, there's no way the gasoline would stay. 470 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.199 No, it would not be viable. Annie goes, She goes, 471 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:52.719 Yes, dear Bro, the zombie apocalypse is hard. There are there are 472 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.480 elements to The Walking Dead that are not entirely accurate to realize. Yeah, 473 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:05.360 stilling, but yeah, I mean there are and robots running out of batteries. 474 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.079 Are they going to get to new batteries? If you have certain types 475 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.280 of batteries, you need special chargers. Robots chasing you robot it gets low 476 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.199 on power if you're in the vicinity of a special charger which specifically fits the 477 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:23.400 connectors on that robot. Enough, I mean there's I mean there are. 478 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.199 I mean, just in the last week, I've read two different articles about 479 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:32.239 two different styles of battery. One of them was an aluminum um It was 480 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.559 an aluminum micro powder battery that used used graphite. And now I thought it 481 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.679 was going to be graphine because everything on Earth wants to use that these days. 482 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.000 But graphine is so hot right now, it is graphine is so hot, 483 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:50.159 right It was an aluminum graphite battery that can charge completely in sixty seconds 484 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.480 and it holds a good, solid, stable charge. At this point, 485 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.920 it holds virtually no power, I mean, so it's not hard to charge 486 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.440 it. It's a start exactly, And so there, and then there's like 487 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:05.559 the liquid metal batteries or molten metal batteries. Wow, that that powered two 488 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:10.159 one thousand exactly it is. They're called I'm trying to remember the exact phrase 489 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.960 for it. I should look it up, and I'm not gonna that'll show 490 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.039 them. But it again, it's it's this high capacity, high energy capacity 491 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:22.159 battery that is also as you can imagine, has some stability issues, but 492 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:30.360 the amount of energy required to keep it liquid on the inside is still less 493 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.559 than what it can withstand what it can hold an output. So it's like 494 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:38.079 you almost have to charge the battery for the battery I mean again, like 495 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:42.599 I mean, then a lot of the best materials for batteries are rare, 496 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.880 good finding them. Yeah, And there's a big political problem China most likely, 497 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.800 Yeah, because there's there's this constant threat of we import all of our 498 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.079 rare earth elements, almost almost all of them. Think Larry Page is actually 499 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.199 working in a robotics mining company to mine asteroids for some of these rare earth 500 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.960 exactly. Oh and we're right back to space mining because yeah, getting these 501 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.559 these rare elements that we use is really difficult. Like, I mean, 502 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:13.920 lithium for batteries, Johnny, do you have any opinions about that? Lithium 503 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.000 is one of my least favorite elements. Actually, it burns an air. 504 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.559 It's just crap. And if you look, if you look on YouTube, 505 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:24.280 you can see videos of like it's that little foil packet battery of someone just 506 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.320 stabbing it with a knife and it just going boom. With all due respect 507 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.320 to lithium, it does have high charge density in these batteries. But good, 508 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:37.280 so lithium you're safe. Yeah. Now now, bra Now are they 509 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.400 do you think that, I don't want to say there's a conspira thing. 510 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:46.559 Do you do you think that they're withholding battery technology? There's there's that shadowy 511 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:51.960 they right? I don't think so, because whoever would could produce a new 512 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.679 batter technology would just rake in the cash. So I feel like people's breed 513 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.559 is always going to be more than their willingness to have a conspirae. Well, 514 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.079 but I don't see how you make money by hiding a battery technology. 515 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:08.039 It's kind of like a monopoly thing though, right, Like they they withhold 516 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:14.960 the technology until they need to release it. I realize, I mean, 517 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:16.960 I'm I've already put on the tinfoil head everything. But well, yeah, 518 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.360 because well that's that's sort of like a water powered car argument. That's that's 519 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.800 that's what I'm drawing the parallel too. But I mean, and not to 520 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.119 get into the water powered car thing at all, but like these are very 521 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.119 different because the water powered car, that argument is, oh, it's big 522 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.639 oil versus clean energy or whatever, regardless of it's true or not, because 523 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:44.000 it's not. On the other hand, you've got battery technology which benefits irverything 524 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:49.119 across the board. It's not just like big livium. I don't know, 525 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.320 I don't know who the sides are in that. But if yeah, if 526 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.639 a company had the ability to to to make these these these these great high 527 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:02.199 capacity batteries, they just all the school like there there you couldn't there's nothing 528 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:06.400 that they that they could you could offer them to hide it. That would 529 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.440 be greater than what they get for releasing it for public sale. Is that 530 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:15.639 kind of what Tesla Motors is doing right now? I believe Tesla is going 531 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.480 open source with their charging technology right now where they want. I think they 532 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:24.119 want everybody to use their technology, so they're just giving the plans away. 533 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.760 Yeah, that was a huge thing a few months ago where they were they 534 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.639 actually rang the bell in the New York Stock Exchange and said, Hey, 535 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.880 guess what, everybody, this is how we do it. Because exactly what 536 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:42.079 you were describing earlier about operating systems for robots, they want to be for 537 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.000 lack of a kind of an approximation that the operating system for electronic cars and 538 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.519 for charging systems for batteries. That if if all automotive makers who are working 539 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.800 on electronic cars or up and coming companies all use a universal system, you 540 00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.280 know, it would be imagined by Tesla Motors, Inc. Well, imagine 541 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.199 if it's going to take a lot of R and D, even with having 542 00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:07.679 a full set of plans, to procure places to produce it, get workers 543 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.920 skilled enough to make it, train these workers, workout shipping logistics. It's 544 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.840 just going to be cheaper to buy from Tesla in the end, and they're 545 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:21.320 going to get a monopoly on electric charging stations exactly. Imagine also, if 546 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.119 if every gonna make money hand over fist for this, if every automotive maker 547 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:32.159 required for their engine to work a different chemical compound of gasoline, they if 548 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.880 they required something drastically different. If they all said, well, in Ford 549 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:43.239 Country, we use a highly sulfurrated hydrocarbon, and they're like, well, 550 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.000 over here in Toyota Town, we use an ethanol base that can't really ever 551 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.159 work with That wouldn't that would defeat all fueling stations like it would? It 552 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.480 would kill the ability for people to even own them. And I think what 553 00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.000 Tesla is saying is this is an opportunity to be getting of this, to 554 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.599 establish an industry standard. And since we're the first people who are successfully doing 555 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:09.360 this, it's they most certainly are Why not us, bro, We solved 556 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.400 this problem, So here you go. I think it's it's it's a smart 557 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:19.239 move um fiscally for the will then they're the cool electric car. Yeah, 558 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.599 nobody wants a Chevy volt no, but that's less serious. Yeah. Yeah, 559 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.480 one of those I'll take. I'll take two of those. I mean, 560 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:36.039 I'm gonna take three two to pull one like a chariot. You win. 561 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:44.719 I just ride on the hood of it, big leather strap techno rains. 562 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.559 That's great. I have heard that the technology is being developed where I 563 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.119 don't know if it's a robot per se, but there are programs that are 564 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.079 being created too. Learn. Is that something you all are familiar with? 565 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.519 Have you heard of this? Like a neural network a learning computer? Especially 566 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:12.719 free? Shout out to Courserah. The machine learning course is excellent. Oh 567 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.480 see or any of the listeners. It's a free course. I think they 568 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.800 offer it two or three times a year. It's an awesome introduction to machine 569 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.039 learning. You need a little bit of linear algebra skills, but they have 570 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.519 some math prusher Upper videos to get you up to speed, and it's a 571 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:30.360 really cool way to see about machine learning, which is a big part of 572 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:38.000 robotics. So define machine learning. Machine learning is having algorithms which the more 573 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:42.159 exposure they get to a certain task, the more refined they get, where 574 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:46.599 eventually they can counter newer situations and extra playing on old data, figure out, 575 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.559 you know, new patterns to try and work out. It's how does 576 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.320 Netflix recommend a movie to you, they see what movies you've liked better. 577 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:59.360 Yeah, and eventually they'll you know, they'll recommend movies to that are pretty 578 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.599 good. The more movies that you select that you like, the better your 579 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.159 Netflix recommendations will be gotcha. So that's you know, machine learning. It 580 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.000 sets up established patterns and that data's kind of bringing up bigger picture. What 581 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.840 is a robot? You know, robots is a pretty huge field. You 582 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.920 have robots that just weld things, you know, big arms, and you 583 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.440 have the ones that walk around robotic cars. Is a learning algorithm the same 584 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:29.639 as a robot. It's using an electronic device to manipulate surroundings based on input 585 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.440 data. Could there be porn to some people? I think it could be 586 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.400 a robot? Could there be? I mean two things. One, there 587 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.320 was a really great Onion headline like ten to twelve years ago that as far 588 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:50.679 as machine learning, it says, TVO gets it you like porn. But 589 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.239 is there a scenario? I mean, I'm inventing this. You've got a 590 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.360 robotic arm with a plasma cutter on the end, and its job is to 591 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.079 cut one inch steel plates and that's what it does. And one day a 592 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.639 worker gets in the way of that and it I mean, it's it's well 593 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:13.119 built. It realizes there's a problem, and it stops, and it incorporates 594 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.199 that over time. What if it over working realizes, oh well, I 595 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:20.159 didn't actually have to stop. I could have just kept going. I could 596 00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.039 have just cut the plate. And maybe maybe I'm packing that up by saying 597 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:28.239 it realizes one day, like whoa, what if I cut that dude's hand 598 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:35.079 off? But could could a process like that incorporate a burnt a barren data 599 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:37.239 and and and sort of kind of get off the rails with that? I 600 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.639 mean, there could always be any kind of malfunction, right, I guess 601 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.440 I mean mostly Johnny, why don't you know everything about my hypothetical situation. 602 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.000 You're really pissing me off here. Okay, So a factory, right, 603 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:53.719 the government, the government, you know, Big Safety is trying to shove 604 00:47:53.840 --> 00:48:01.880 down all these safety regulations to us and wants to get railroaded down your throat. 605 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.079 A lot of times robots will just observe the states around them. So 606 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.639 in the instance of your cutting thing, there could be you know, sonar 607 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.679 sensors around the base of it, where if it notices that something is in 608 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.480 a defined field, it will just shut down so that way you don't actily 609 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.119 to get cut. If it's a force robot like pushing something, if it 610 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.360 notices, well, I'm gonna experience force when I'm at full extension and pushing 611 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.320 this crate. When I come back, if I encounter some force, I 612 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.679 know I'm bumping into something, there's a stop. And so all of these 613 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.039 things will actually they'll break robot parts before they would break a human or they're 614 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.880 just hard stops, you know, gears will crack, you know, because 615 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.639 that's the other thing is that it's hard. I think that we don't and 616 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.679 that's why robots are good at things that we're not. Like we we have 617 00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.199 a hard time conceptualizing the world as seen by a robot. I mean, 618 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:57.440 you see these those really great demonstrations of articulated robot arms where they they hold 619 00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:02.320 like they'll they'll have like this tiny pinpoint and it just perfectly moves the entire 620 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:07.159 armature around it, but the tip of the of the armature stays at the 621 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.639 exact same point in space. Sorry, I get so excited, I hit 622 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.639 the microphone there. Um, the robot wouldn't do that. But that's the 623 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.599 thing. The robots like we we conceptualize our world and well I'll push this 624 00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.800 hard. Nope, a little bit harder. Oh too hard? Um, 625 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:28.400 But a robot knows exactly what it's doing into the precise degree to which it's 626 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.920 doing. And so for example, you're saying that in that that that pushing, 627 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:37.079 you know that that force application, the robot will know. I mean, 628 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.519 it's it's designed to know if there's more force going into it then it 629 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.440 than it usually does. And there's there's so many safeties built in and that 630 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.239 we have access different senses that we don't have. Yes, you can use 631 00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:57.880 vision with cameras, you can use audio sensors, but temperature night vision goggles 632 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:04.119 uh, any source of goggles uh, like adaptive vision algorithms for low light 633 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.840 situations that would be worn overocular cavities. Oh yeah, you could do. 634 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.880 I mean there's so many different kinds of sensors where you get input data from 635 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.440 all sorts of things that we don't necessarily have access to or if we do. 636 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:21.039 You know, we can differentiate between hot and cold, but humans gonna 637 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.280 have a really hard time telling between sixty eight and sixty nine degrees, right 638 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:30.039 or ninety eight degrees? My favorite band. But I got an example. 639 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:36.280 Actually I used to work I've worked in for a summer at circus side show 640 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:43.000 really good. Decided exactly how much people weighed. Continue, Johnny, I 641 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:47.199 forgot where we were. Actually, yes, let's start the episode Transformer. 642 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.440 No, don't take that. Uh No. I worked at a post it 643 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:59.320 note factory, really at a three M Yeah, that's awesome. I worked 644 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:04.800 on the machine that cut the post it pads into the little blocks that had 645 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.679 to have been so satisfying. You know, it was a long hours. 646 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:13.639 It was twelve hour swing shifts, so it was but just see it just 647 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.800 like Shunk. Yeah, I mean it was one of the cooler machines in 648 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.079 there, I guess, but it was. You know, you could set 649 00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.920 it up, of course, you could program it to you know, whatever 650 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.559 size you want it and it would you basically just had to square up the 651 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:34.920 blocks of pads and then press press, go and let it like chi kung 652 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.840 and then it pushes and chi kung and push and chi kung. But it 653 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:46.800 had optics sensors under the blade, so anything that passed in those sensors it 654 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:52.480 would automatically just freeze, just stop wherever it with the blade. Because the 655 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.119 blades were like three three and a half feet long, you know, huge 656 00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.639 razor blades. How often did they have to reach sharp up in the blades? 657 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.159 Um, you know, probably every few days. Wow, I mean 658 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.840 there was a lot of a lot of paper moving through those right, I'll 659 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:13.440 bet um all my questions have nothing to do with robots. I'm sorry. 660 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:15.400 You should have told me this some other time, because I think that's so 661 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.679 cool. I would love to see that happen all day. There was. 662 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.880 Everybody likes seeing automated processes. Yeah, yeah, just thinking about where kids 663 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.719 seeing mister Rodgers, how crans are made made, absolutely all of seeing these 664 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:34.039 lack of better word robots perform all these Yeah, it's fascinating how it's made. 665 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.440 Is one of the best TV shows ever because you can just have it 666 00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.800 on and then suddenly you you really care about, you know, how a 667 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:45.039 pencil is assembled. Yeah. There were actually two blades, two different stations. 668 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:52.920 They were just a table apart and one blade would cut them horizontally and 669 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:58.519 then you would take the big long strips of pads and that the table was 670 00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:02.599 pneumatic air with ball bearings, and you just slid it down to the other 671 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:07.760 person at the other station and they turned the the slabs and stuck them in 672 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.960 and it did it again and that cut them into the cubes. From there. 673 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.760 Oh man, I wish that. I wish that job paid a lot 674 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.599 of money, because I would want that job. It does pay a lot 675 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.960 of money. Really. Yeah. It was like, I'm going to Kentucky. 676 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.320 You could you can get up there with I want to be Jimmie. 677 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.320 I mean, it's a factory job. You got to wear goggles, ear 678 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:34.239 earplugs, still toed boots. You know, it's pp personal protective equipment. 679 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:39.039 But and they I think they've actually gone. My mom worked there retired now 680 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:45.400 and that's how I got a summer job there. But it's it's just they 681 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.920 went from twelve hours shifts to eight hours, I think, which if you're 682 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:54.400 like my mom who worked there for so many years doing twelve hours and was 683 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.119 used to that, yeah, it's a little a little bit of a shock 684 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.599 to go suddenly to eight hour days, you know, But I would. 685 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:06.760 I would just be so fascinated to see all this. All that stuff's really 686 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.400 cool, Like it's the whole Like after you get done cutting the second time, 687 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:16.599 everything's on like these little sheets like you you slide them all onto these 688 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:23.480 these big wobbly sheets, and the whole like the whole second part of the 689 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:29.039 table just moves down onto a palette and like drops the sheet off and then 690 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:36.719 moves back up. It's it's really like the whole thing's so intricate and amazing. 691 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.760 They even had like a cage system, so if you had different colors 692 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.239 of of pat you know, you had like a purple, a yellow, 693 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:45.639 a blue, a green, you could program which one you want. And 694 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:52.039 they'd had this big sucker system go in and go and put down like the 695 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.880 pads on top of each other, and then they would they would get slid 696 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.079 into the cutter and that's awesome. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, but all 697 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.440 right, anyway, sorry then that I love factory stuff like that. That's 698 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.320 it. I'm fascinated by it. Yeah. So, so the point was 699 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.960 that, you know, it had an optic um sensor that that would sense 700 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:16.480 if anything and the and the point is safety. You know, if if 701 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:22.119 somebody's hand or finger gets in there, and it didn't I think there were 702 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.679 ways around it. It didn't go all you know, like there were blind 703 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:30.639 spots that that you could find in there, and I can't remember if somebody 704 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.239 not when I was there, but I feel like somebody might have found one 705 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.400 one time. But um, that's that's like what what you were talking about. 706 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:45.000 You know the machines they they have. So if somebody builds a machine 707 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:52.920 that has all these different sensor inputs, they integrated it with a learning program 708 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:58.039 something. I guess it depends if if these things went Robopocalypse style, it 709 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:02.159 would depend on what they were program to do, right, I mean that 710 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:07.760 and just their mobility. I mean, if a post it cutter became sentive, 711 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:12.360 good luck to someone who goes in the path of the cutting blade, 712 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.000 but to someone who is feed away from the machine, they'll probably be okay. 713 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.000 So literally, how would you ever know? I mean, like, 714 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.800 it's not like anyone's putting their hands underneath the cutting blade anyway, how do 715 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.280 you test the machine? If it's you do have to get like under the 716 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.800 here to like straighten the pads and pull them out and stuff. You you 717 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:38.280 have to put yourself. So in order to um bake a robopocalypse cake, 718 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:45.400 you need a robot that first of all, is accomplishes the mobility that's required. 719 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:51.480 And I'm I guess I'm just I've got the picture of Arnold Schwartzenegger in 720 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.800 my head. Right, Oh, yes, you need a T four hundred. 721 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.960 Yeah, I mean that. I think that is absolutely Schwartzenegger is a 722 00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.719 four hundred, right, yeah, I hope. So some listeners going to 723 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:02.679 call in and I'm gonna check. I'm not back next week, so I'm 724 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.599 check some more bullshit about the Terminator series. I think we might be a 725 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.639 T three hundred. So we so we have a skeletal robot or something that 726 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:19.920 mimics human form. Let's say that's that's step one you've got. It doesn't 727 00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.119 even necessarily have to mimic human form, just a mobility function. If there's 728 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.119 a better way. You can also have a flying thing, right like if 729 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.719 a flying drone or something. So step two is having a program that would 730 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.239 be um I guess, harmful to humans when run. And then when we're 731 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.639 talking about learning programs, you know, having it be able to learn from 732 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:47.119 its environment and make decisions that it can adapt to and with that is sort 733 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:52.239 of like an icing on the cake. Right It's it doesn't necessarily need that 734 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:57.679 to accomplish a robopocalypse. I think if I were to be a mad scientist 735 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.679 looking to start you know, a small start up to have evil robots. 736 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:07.079 I don't want to first tackle mobility, then tackle reliable energy, right right, 737 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.639 then I'd want to get away just to have the robots to be harmful 738 00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:16.159 in general, right besides just like them strength or maybe shooting well, yeah, 739 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:21.119 I mean, I mean obviously accurate shot. Robots will be stronger than 740 00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.000 humans pretty much all instances. Yeah. Um, I mean, as long 741 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.000 as we're speculating on robot apocalypse is I think the most likely thing will be 742 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:36.119 an accidental If a robot apocalypse were to occur, which I don't think is 743 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.239 very likely, I think it will be one of an accidental nature where you 744 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:43.360 know, you have some sort of self replicating robot and there's an error in 745 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.599 the transcription as it's replicating itself. Yeah, and the error propagates down the 746 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:52.920 line. Something doesn't work right, and it's for some reason harmful humans. 747 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.559 I think that's too much handle or something. I think that would be the 748 00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:00.559 most likely scenario for That's that's the scariest thing to me, is self replicating 749 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.679 robot. Yeah. There's something called a von Neuman probe, which was a 750 00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.119 I just read an article about those last week. They're fascinating. Yeah, 751 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:14.400 it's they don't exist. But a mathematician, John von Newman, who I 752 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.480 think he has actually worked on the atom bomb. So he's one of these 753 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:24.679 olds how to kill you can kill effectively. He had the idea of Schwarzenegger 754 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:30.280 was a T eight hundred. Oh wow, yeah, T eight hundred twice 755 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.039 as good as you thought. Next time you watch Terminator and you see all 756 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:38.199 the computer vision, they have computer code going down the side. Intel X 757 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:43.320 eighty six assembly language. Really, that's why your Windows ninety five machine runs 758 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:47.079 on. Fun fact for the listeners at home, where you said Lennox was 759 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:53.599 was one of the popular things to that that softwares because you're you're you're you're 760 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:58.800 building it from the ground up. Linux alsoe's assembly language though, so so 761 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:04.400 if you want to so store that away, listeners learn, go on online 762 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:08.239 and learn some Linux stuff current that might that might help you one day. 763 01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:16.599 So yeah, the most important von Neuman probes Basically John von Neuman hypothesized a 764 01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:22.239 way of exploring the universe where he thought you could have self replicant probes that 765 01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:27.519 would spread out across the universe. They would we would build one, send 766 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:30.000 it out, it would build copies of itself. Those copies would go out 767 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:35.159 and it would just keep propagating down the line and it could relay signals through 768 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.360 each other. Right, You're still bottlenecked by the speed of light for information 769 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:43.920 transfer. Yeah, but it'd be a way of exploring. And one of 770 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:49.320 the arguments people have for or against alien civilizations is why have we not encountered 771 01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.840 any von Neuman probes yet? Is its big first? Well? Newman probe 772 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:59.079 is also a way to bring about the end of the universe. I mean 773 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:05.119 of they keep play glocus. There was an episode Futurama I could cancer you 774 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:09.079 know, they could have a transcription error and they you know, obviously there's 775 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:15.079 a finite or maybe there's not. Who knows a finite amount of material in 776 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:20.800 the universe. You could program the robots to say, hey, only replicate 777 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.760 three times. Yeah, stop. But if there's some kind of transcription error, 778 01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:30.719 which I could very easily see what happening, Maybe they'm replicate eight times, 779 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:35.440 so I'm replicate eight thousand times? Yeah, and just where does it 780 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.360 stop? Is there a way to get back into the code after it's been 781 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:44.119 programmed? And like, I mean, if you have a robot that is 782 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.679 eight hundred light years away from you. It would take at least eight hundred 783 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.000 years to get a destruct signal to that robot in that time. Yeah, 784 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:53.360 and could have made billions of more copies of itself. And keep in mind, 785 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:58.079 these things are off doing their thing, or respective of what happens here, 786 01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.119 we could launch the Von Newman pro tomorrow, nuke ourselves out of the 787 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:05.760 picture and they'll keep going. Yeah, and that probe's just out there doing 788 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:10.199 its thing. It's there was an episode of a Futurama where Bender was replicating 789 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.559 himself and then he would make uh, two smaller versions, and then the 790 01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.159 two smaller versions, until there was just this like silver silver Yeah, there's 791 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.760 Yeah, there's silver gray goo that was made up of microbenders that was destroying 792 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:28.920 everything. Same thing. Yeah, I mean that's a comedy television program, 793 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:36.039 but I think that's a future It's it's a comedy television program that has some 794 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:40.119 of the best science and math behind it anything that's ever been commentaries. Yeah, 795 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:44.000 some of the best math jokes I've ever seen on television. Yeah, 796 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:49.280 I mean that that is one of the most literate shows as far as science 797 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.599 and things like that. But yeah, So so let's say that could be 798 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.360 like a very you know, if there were to be a robo apocalypse, 799 01:02:54.440 --> 01:03:00.000 I would bender theory. I couldn't see that being a very the reasonable way 800 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:05.480 for us to all day the robot robot. The article that I read started 801 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.320 out with the discussion about von Neuman probes, but said that there's so many 802 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:12.159 different ways for that too, for that to happen. For example, UM 803 01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:16.519 nano assemblers. You know, if we sent out self replicating nanobots to build 804 01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:20.920 something out in orbit or in space, just like you said, a transcription 805 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.800 error. If one of them is built incorrectly or there's some sort of issue 806 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:29.760 with that, that that can just like it just like a DNA transcription er. 807 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:31.960 It can create cancer. It can create a problem where there's just could 808 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.719 create wolverine or badgerine. You need space kids to throw space rocks at these 809 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:43.360 space probes. They see, that is what we youths could save us. 810 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:47.159 Youths. Um but yeah, and that could happen on Earth as well. 811 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:52.159 There was I want to say it was it was a William Gibson. Maybe 812 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:58.400 it was neuromancer. But he talks about how nanobot uh nanobots are controlled in 813 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.360 his science fiction world as tightly as say, like weapons grade plutonium, like 814 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:09.880 you can't get near them because the potential for catastrophe so great. The other 815 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:13.719 thing, I mean to play Devil's Advocate against the Von Newman probes and self 816 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.239 replicating there's only so much stuff on the Earth. You're not going to take 817 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.960 a pine tree and turn that into like a silicon wafer for a computer chip. 818 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:27.559 Yeah. So unless you can start finding ways to recavoc with the strong 819 01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:31.960 nuclear force. In that case, you already playing with giant energy and right, 820 01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.000 and the fundamental laws of nature. You're just being silly with physics. 821 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:44.320 So okay, So so we've run into a limited resource problem because because you 822 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:49.480 kind of well maybe you do, maybe you don't. But like the matrix 823 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:55.119 comes to mind where the planet's taken over by you know, the robots and 824 01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:01.079 the whole of the outer surface of the Earth is turned into a huge electrical 825 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.719 grid or whatever they do. But like that's not really feasible easier either, 826 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:08.679 right, because yeah, I mean, maybe the best way to avoid a 827 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:14.239 robo apocalypse is to prohibit the construction of all thinking machines. Have as you 828 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:20.360 had to destroy all current thinking machines, maybe train humans to think like computers. 829 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:27.599 Probably need some sort of berry juice to augment their computational abilities. Get 830 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:31.000 some sort of spice that could help them think faster and live longer. I 831 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:33.199 don't know. That's just out there of a way to do that. You 832 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:39.119 could You could do that, Yeah, and have enlist Patrick Stewart to help 833 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.079 you lead money. But who's gonna who's gonna ride the worms? Man? 834 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:53.440 Well, somebody will be born one day, dude, motherfucker. We're of 835 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:58.920 course talking about the Brian Sanderson New Dune novels. Is he doing du Dune? 836 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.119 Yeah? No way, Yeah, bro, that guy gets the pick 837 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.400 up and just do whatever he feels like. I've got the Missboarding trilogy. 838 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:08.519 I still haven't read it. I haven't either. Well, he did a 839 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.320 damn fine job with the abortion that Robert Jordan had left behind in the way 840 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:17.440 of his death. Hey man, the wheel wheels, you listen. I'm 841 01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.679 not I'm not some little boy that needs to be on apron string still, 842 01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:30.280 man. So okay, let's say let's say we've got the robo apocalypse on 843 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.599 us. It's it's upon us, it has dawned. Were we're being systematically 844 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:41.840 eradicated what's going to be the best way to combat I'm glad you asked that. 845 01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.719 I love this. I'm like, uh, nukes really, ms brou 846 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:54.599 one of nuclear devices detonated, A large electromagnetic wave propagates before the actual blast 847 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.280 wave of the bomb, and that would fry most robots. I mean, 848 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.760 yeah, potentially these robots could have taken courses on electromagnetic compatibility and found ways 849 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.719 to shield themselves. A lot of times shield won't be big enough for an 850 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:11.719 event this big, So I think, you know, any kind of EMP 851 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:15.800 technology would be awesome. Water, yeah, garden house, You don't think 852 01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:20.679 some circuits if if they were you know, they could surround themselves in silicone 853 01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:27.239 casing or something. Maybe jellybots in silicone is vulnerable to heat. So I 854 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:33.079 think we're looking at best case scenario a combination flamethrower super soaker. So well, 855 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:39.079 and that's him. I mean, I mean I think that you know, 856 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:42.960 there's like kind of like this idea of like a maximum overdrive scenario where 857 01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:47.599 where everything that's that's linked electronically or through Wi Fi suddenly it was like kill 858 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:53.039 all humans again. I mean, what is your coffee maker going to do 859 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.599 to kill you? Nothing? Like what, like most most things around you 860 01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.679 would have a very hard time expressing their new found desire to destroy. But 861 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:08.480 then then you have things for like military, like drones, um or autonomous 862 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:12.960 robots. They I was reading an article about um UH. In twenty eleven, 863 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.199 the Army shut down a program for autonomous armed vehicles. They just they 864 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.439 just I mean, or at least officially they did, I don't know, 865 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.359 and get as weird with you as you want with it. But it was 866 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.279 going through trials. They thought it was going well, and then they were 867 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:31.520 just like, I forget it. But in that in a robe apocalypse, 868 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.680 that's what you have to worry about. You have to worry about military hardware. 869 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:39.880 It's built to a lot of that stuff would be designed to be electromagnetically 870 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.359 shielded. Pretty sure, it'd be somewhat waterproof, you know, like the 871 01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:49.560 machines that were already designed to kill people are the machines you most need to 872 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:53.840 worry about. But I mean, you know, like those, I think 873 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:57.199 there is like almost a mundane nature to it that, like, you know, 874 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.960 how how on earth would my wrist watch kill me? See? And 875 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:04.479 that's where I think you and I are on a different page. Because I'm 876 01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:10.720 not thinking of just anything that's got an electrical charge uprising, you know, 877 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:19.399 I'm thinking of specific machines that are built to eradicate the human race allah terminator 878 01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:28.199 or uh you know something that's that's drones that that are programmed to seek out 879 01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.479 and destroy or I don't know. And that's assuming their uniform and thought. 880 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:35.600 I mean maybe some will be robopacifists. Yeah, they might come to different 881 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:41.079 difference conclusions. But also, uh, take a Predator drone or a Raptor 882 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:45.199 drone. Those are armed by humans. Those are loaded, so they're they're 883 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:49.159 flown by humans. So once they're out of their ammunition there, that's it. 884 01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:55.239 That's it for the time being. Well, uh, we could sit 885 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.600 here and theorize on any anything, right, which you've done a pretty good 886 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.560 job of so far. I mean we could go add nausium about well, 887 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:08.560 dude, what if what if there's like a re emmoing drones that come around 888 01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:13.800 and refiel the ammo. I'll have to make more ammo. We'll take our 889 01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.239 there's a machine that makes ammo. I mean, we'll go into the saltpeter 890 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:23.920 mines must shut black powder. And that's not even talking about like energy weapons 891 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:28.920 and stuff that we you know that's not even around leather, be leathers, 892 01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:34.039 lightning bolt, magic, missile, prisbetic ray. Yeah. I think to 893 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:40.359 me, the scariest the scariest concepts are the self replicating and the and the 894 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.319 nanobots, which kind of go hand in hand. Sign me up for also 895 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.439 thinking those are the scariest. Yeah, and that's that's where you hear the 896 01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:51.479 gray goo talked about the gray goose. Hundreds of millions of you know, 897 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:59.039 if not more, miniscule bots. Robots buildos and build up right, and 898 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:03.720 and it just would have washes over and eats up everything or just dismantles everything 899 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:08.880 in its path. You have tiny little nanobots crawl into your ear cavity. 900 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.680 Yeah, you would have your brain like three or four degrees and you would 901 01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.279 just act Yeah, syphilispots. That would be it. You can't fight against 902 01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:19.680 that, yeah, cli clemto botsios. Well, okay, there you go. 903 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.439 Nanobots, that's the answer. That's the worst thing. How do you 904 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:28.239 combent nano bots? You don't extreme temperature? I love this. I love 905 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:32.800 these questions, as though there's like right right, well, professor says that 906 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:39.399 yeah, uh no, I think temperature would be a pretty solid way electro 907 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:45.279 magnetic stuff like would do Would they be susceptible to magnetic force? I think 908 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.359 that might be susceptible to shocking. Where when you're that small, you're not 909 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:51.479 gonna be very good at shielding. To mean a lot of that's just having 910 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:55.960 bulk for stuff to go through. So if you're tiny, you can't have 911 01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:59.319 very big shielding. So you know, you could be vulnerable too if there's 912 01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.399 a gray pool. You know, so two and twenty volts, two and 913 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.359 twenty one volts, whatever it takes. Just so here's the deal. But 914 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:08.279 wait, what if you have four hundred forty volts, you need two hundred 915 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.760 twenty volts. What would you use to make that a shape changer? I 916 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:15.600 would get a pharo magnetic core, some copper windings around it, and use 917 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:19.359 magnetic induction to change the voltage from one voltage to a lower voltage. Okay, 918 01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:30.680 good, Oh so you mean not today a transformer, You mean an 919 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:42.840 amplifier. He amplifier takes an input voltage and changes it um So so nanobots 920 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:47.560 beget the force like you need. You need to learn force force powers, 921 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:54.840 and everybody becomes Jedi and Sith, particularly Sith because they can shock them about 922 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:58.359 the meta Chlorians. Aren't those just nanobots? It's probably just nanobots me, 923 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:01.640 And for even saying that that's are your cells nanobots? There you go? 924 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:06.159 Are we just robots? Insects? Our little tiny robots just meat robots? 925 01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:13.600 Meat bots? We do run off electrical charge? Yeah? Well wow, 926 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:19.159 yes, what a discussion. What have we done? Thanks for coming in 927 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:24.119 to talk to us. Thank heaving me guy. This has been fantastic. 928 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:30.720 And for us, we always we always like throwing out there the the scary 929 01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:35.279 ideas and right exactly and in the dumb theories. That's that's always a fun 930 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:41.279 thing. But in the end it sounds like we're no weird near something like 931 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.359 this happening, right Yeah, No, I think there's a lot more scary 932 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.439 things going on right now. Yeah. Yeah, we don't have to do 933 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.319 we don't find have to find something that exotic to take us all out and 934 01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:54.079 wed. And it's not the same thing as the Singularity, right Nope. 935 01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:58.479 So have you seen the movie Transcendence? I haven't. Why am I? 936 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.880 Why am I shaking my head on a podcast because I'm an idiot? No, 937 01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:08.399 it's I think it's on Hubbug right now, one of those we watched 938 01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:12.399 it and you know it's it is what it is, but it deals with 939 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.079 that and it has some great good in it. So check it out if 940 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.880 you like this episode not about do it. So. I think that's that's 941 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:27.600 a little bit of the robopocalypse and a self replicating waterproof. I like to 942 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.680 magnetically shielded, like romagnetically shielded nut nutshell. I can think of something harmful 943 01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:46.279 to humans based around robots. Really? What robot puns? Nice? That's 944 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:51.439 glorious. I gotta warn you, Flora, you you are about to cross 945 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:58.319 swords with one of the great slash worst pun masters I've ever met in my 946 01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.520 life. Are we allowed to use puns? We already wrote down? You 947 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.439 have to do them all? Stop her head down? Oh my god. 948 01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:08.960 It's like, oh, I never see the podcast. I just listen to 949 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:14.239 everything's written down for me. Yeah, I I don't. I make mine 950 01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:16.319 up at the very end, as you can always usually tell, Well, 951 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:18.880 Johnny, you're our guests, so why don't you go ahead and start off? 952 01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:23.960 Okay? UH first one is I have a new UH store that sells 953 01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.600 thank you cards for robots. Oh yeah, yeah, what's it called. 954 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:33.159 It's called numbers stationary. That's that's a couple that hits on a couple levels. 955 01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:41.039 Yeah, all right, Um, this this one is gray gray goo, 956 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:45.600 but it's it's got a little bit of um, a light blue tinge 957 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:50.199 in some parts of it. And it's it's a bunch of small, small 958 01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:57.680 robots that are designed to uh, save people, save people in trouble, 959 01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:02.640 fight villains and and I'm pretty sure that no one knows who created these robots. 960 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:13.239 The robots don't have any parents. It's Batmanobots, Jess bat Man. 961 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:20.000 There is one um technological constructor robot that they're that they they're working on right 962 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:24.479 now. It's theoretical, but they're hoping that in the near future it will 963 01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:30.279 be able to serve mankind um and and not only help mankind, but protect 964 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:36.840 them thermally from from the the hot summer months. It's the Froobot. But 965 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:45.039 so you guys hear about this new Russian fairy tale. It's about an evil 966 01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:49.680 robot Grandma, that lives in the woods and gives runaway children chores. Robot, 967 01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:55.399 you guy, he really does have iron teeth. Yeah, this is 968 01:16:55.520 --> 01:17:03.640 good. This is glorious will play Johnny, I've got I've got this robot 969 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:09.920 that hasn't actually been built yet, but it's it's there's a theory behind that. 970 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:14.560 Somebody's you know, come up with this idea of a robot that that 971 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:20.439 they launch into space and it goes and plays music in space and space jam. 972 01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:25.159 Yeah, and then it replicates its seven nice triatle but no, and 973 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:30.800 it replicates itself and it sends that, and it just keeps replicating out into 974 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.600 the cosmos, and and it's all the time, each one of them, 975 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:39.720 they're they're playing music, and mostly the music they play is on like PVC 976 01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:47.560 pipes and drumming. It's the Von Blueman probe. Jeez, that's terrible, 977 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:58.439 fantastic. You know, there's been a problem in Eastern Europe recently recently, 978 01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:03.760 Yeah, we're very very recently that they tried to automate UM some bath houses 979 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:10.159 and spasm. But the problem is is the UM they became essentially they became 980 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:16.159 self aware, and they started trying to reproduce with the male clients and in 981 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:20.279 the attempt to seduce them, ended up chewing up their mouths terribly, really 982 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:30.159 tearing up their Yeah, yeah, they were um Albot stores. It sounds 983 01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:36.560 like a really bad fifties shopping are the only thing more unstoppable than Johnny's pun 984 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:51.720 tirade? Yeah, is the self replicating greygo that is listener? All right? 985 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:57.800 Right off the bat, Amy, who is extraordinarily prolific, wrote us 986 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:01.800 in a story for our future ghost spectacular stories, I think it'll probably be 987 01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:14.039 our summertime camp fire jamboree. Fire. Ghosts can't find, can't fire, 988 01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:19.960 good stories can fire. Okay, all right, let's see how about this 989 01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:24.600 uh not so superpower. No matter what you put in the microwave, no 990 01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:27.800 matter what the time is selected, the item always stops right in front of 991 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.319 the door where it's easiest to pick up. With this not so superpower. 992 01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.159 You are, With this not so superpower, you are the master of nuke 993 01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:40.439 nuke box roulette. Um, and this is an this is an interesting question, 994 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:43.479 she writes. I love Betty and Tabitha, and I'd love to hear 995 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:48.359 their reactions to our podcast. I think they'd find it U like dancing with 996 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:55.079 the devil, you right into the floor. Yeah, I don't, I 997 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:57.359 don't. I don't think they get into this sort of stuff. I don't 998 01:19:57.359 --> 01:20:00.319 think so either. I think that there are certain things best I've done. 999 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.319 They had undisgusted, left underneath, the filthy, dirty rocket came under and 1000 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.520 who needs a half man, half goat to keep you awake all night instead 1001 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:10.920 of sleeping? That's what I think. That's that's probably what they'd say, 1002 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.119 probably exactly what they say. What do you get, Flora? Thank you? 1003 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:19.199 Amy? Thanks Amy Dave. I I'm having a lot of trouble thinking 1004 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:26.319 straight because you're drunk. No, sadly, I just I've just got mindless 1005 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:35.359 focus. Ah yeah, mindless focus right into uh say that he loved the 1006 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:40.760 one hundredth episode, thank you, thank you, and looks forward to the 1007 01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:46.279 next one hundred and he says, check out Mysterious Universe podcast. And we 1008 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:49.760 do we were familiar, Yeah, we do. Indeed, who doesn't. 1009 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:54.079 Who doesn't like to hear about weird stuff with an Australian Accent's right, That's 1010 01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:57.520 that's why we do it so often. Well, good night, I've we 1011 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.840 have came to Blarry Photos. It's not a good Australian night. Yeah, 1012 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:05.520 you wait till we go down there. We'll visit, will learn the accent. 1013 01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:14.000 Sorry to all of our Australian listeners for attempting that I can't even think 1014 01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.279 of something to say that to even try, I'm like, no, well, 1015 01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.920 finish, finish up, mindless focus all right, because I have something 1016 01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:27.199 to say, useless superpower to bring it to end with blurred dedic memory, 1017 01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:31.800 the ability to perfectly recall any image at any time, but all slightly blurry, 1018 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:38.960 like idetic memory, but more blurry. I like that, all right, 1019 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:44.119 Thank you, thank you. And speaking of Australia, goat girl, 1020 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:51.439 thank you so freaking much. You guys, we got a package from Adelaide, 1021 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:58.800 Australia full of amazing things cool uh, some cool postcards from her gallery 1022 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:01.680 work. She's an artist there. We've read her emails before. Her and 1023 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:10.760 her husband do amazing work. We got some slightly suggestive but really cool Christmas 1024 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:18.439 ornaments perfect, and we got some dangle fingers and just a bunch of really 1025 01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:23.239 cool stuff which is the nicest thing in the world. Tons of cool um 1026 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:29.119 Australian movie suggestions, some show suggestions, just a fun care package from Australia. 1027 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.880 I can't think of anything cooler or nicer. It's it's amazing. You 1028 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:35.239 guys are amazing. Go girl, You're you're the best. And your work 1029 01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:38.920 is amazing too, it is. I really liked it. I like how 1030 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:42.960 much textiles you incorporate. Yeah, so so yeah, big big shout out 1031 01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:46.720 to Jules. Yeah, I've got an email here from Rachel. Rachel, 1032 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:50.720 Rachel. She says, hello, love your show and just started listening in 1033 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:58.760 January. Well, welcome by started with a diatlov pass episode and been binge 1034 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:01.520 listening if that's a thing ever since. Yes, it is, it's it 1035 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:05.239 is, And she has a show suggestion. This is something I think we 1036 01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:10.319 may have discussed once. Flora the Georgia guidestone. Oh yeah, you should 1037 01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:13.680 get on that then, because that's that's that's coloring out there a few times. 1038 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.000 Yeah, I definitely want to get back into that. And uh and 1039 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.600 if you do any bumper stickers or t shirts, Eye for one would love 1040 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:23.319 one that says thunder sound. I think that's totally doable that that'd be a 1041 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:27.600 great bubber stinger. I like that nice easy yeah, slam dunk. Thank 1042 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:34.079 you, Rachel. Thanks. I got one more here. Dave heard from 1043 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:48.600 Nerdal Lingus. I love that. Heard for some Nordal Lingus here says hello, 1044 01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:54.039 fellow nerd Lingers. I enjoyed your Duruid episode whilst rotting away in my 1045 01:23:54.159 --> 01:24:00.000 cube. Oh, your pronunciation of Boudica was correct. I only know because 1046 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:04.520 as I listened to many history podcasts. Awesome, there you go. Also, 1047 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:10.039 please keep up the Alex Jones impression. It's hilarious. I'm glad you 1048 01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:14.439 like it. I always I'm always like, oh man, nobody, nobody, 1049 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:18.880 nobody's gonna want to hear more than like ten seconds of this. And 1050 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:29.479 I've been telling you for months to stop along along with the others Reagan and 1051 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:42.119 Nixon on the other presidents, our signature sends up of America's leadership. You 1052 01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:45.319 gotta really get the jowls going and it messes up the headphones. Yeah yeah, 1053 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:48.880 And he says on that vein, I'm from Washington State and I have 1054 01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:54.279 an Alex Jones is m pun inspired by the Pompey reference in the Druid episode, 1055 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:58.199 with a local flair. This one's this. This pot has a lot 1056 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:01.039 of ingredients going in. Let's see how how it tastes. A roller Gonna 1057 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:04.720 blow the lid off this one. The Mount Saint Helen's was an inside job. 1058 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:14.520 Rock doesn't melt at those temperatures with without thermite. The globalist to contaminate 1059 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:19.159 spirit like with with mine, control fluoride and bury their evidence. Bye bye 1060 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:25.159 water filters. See I should have been raided that pun for months. People 1061 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:29.960 should have been to read this months ago. That's your family's gonna die by 1062 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.880 my water colloidal silver. Good night, Thank you, nerdal Lingus. Oh 1063 01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:36.840 well, I will see you to close this out. I will see your 1064 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:43.760 nerdal Lingus, and I will raise you a mingle Dingle Dongelheimer. Yeah, 1065 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:53.560 you're not touching my old mingle Dingle Dongelheimer writes, just wanted to write you 1066 01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:58.000 verbally to show my appreciation for the podcast. One of the few that makes 1067 01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:00.640 me laugh like an idiot on a regular basis. It's a weird experience sometimes 1068 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:04.479 too uh. He feels like it's like doing karaoke with a group of friends, 1069 01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:09.800 mostly funny, but at times awfully awkward and leaving you feeling ashamed afterwards. 1070 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:13.079 Well that's what we shoot for. Just kidding. Love the show and 1071 01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:16.279 much love from Argentina. Felt needed felt I needed to say this since I 1072 01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:20.439 doubt you have many South American listeners. That's true, that's amazing. Well, 1073 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:26.520 we're we're really really expanding south of the equator. That's that's great. 1074 01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:30.119 Yeah, so thank you very much, Grossius. Yes, so that's what 1075 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.720 we got. That's what we got for listener mail this week. We have 1076 01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:38.359 quite the stack. Keep it coming. Once again. We find ourselves at 1077 01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:42.600 a crossroads. That's right. You can either sit there in your in your 1078 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:47.439 cubicle, rotting away and keep working on junk. Or you could go to 1079 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.359 Facebook and like us. Yeah, or you could go to iTunes and write 1080 01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:55.760 a five star ribs two three, four five stars Twitter and follow us some 1081 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.479 blurry underscore photos. Or you can I mean, you know, somebody asked 1082 01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:02.600 us, why why don't we mention stumble Upon anymore? I don't. Does 1083 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:08.640 it still exist? Well, yes, we're on stumble Upon. The when 1084 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:11.239 I redesigned the new website, I didn't have an option to put in a 1085 01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:15.760 stumble Upon chicklet. Oh so it doesn't exist. So on our website it 1086 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.039 doesn't. But if you can, you can naturally stumble upon it still do 1087 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:23.760 what you do, We're gonna do it. You can also be a citizen 1088 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:30.560 patriot and it's citizen patriots squat hunter and punch that donate button. Oh yeah. 1089 01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:38.039 As in addition to visiting any of the lovely sponsors that have have sponsored 1090 01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:41.399 us this month in last please go and do business and tell them that we 1091 01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:45.079 sent you. And as always, uh, get yourself a free audio book 1092 01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.880 right. Uh, it's it's it's it's easy, it's free. You get 1093 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:53.319 a book, we get a monetary high five. Everyone's a freaking winner. 1094 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:58.079 It's it's it's a win win win situation. It's uh, it's what Actually 1095 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:01.800 I've learned this today on Different on the Planet Money podcast. It's an arbitrage. 1096 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:06.399 It's it's a guaranteed uh free money. Yeah, that's the that's what 1097 01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:11.239 an arbitrage is. I learned that just today. Well played. Yeah, 1098 01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:14.760 I was really proud of myself for that too good form. So uh, 1099 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:18.119 don't forget it's audible trial dot com slash blurry Photos. Do that get your 1100 01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:20.920 thing, We get our thing, and then we all do our thing together. 1101 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:24.640 Doo doo doo doo doo do do do do do do do do do 1102 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:39.680 do do do do do do. Let's see, our thing is trufflin. 1103 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:45.439 What's your thing? So that's all that's what we're gonna do for this episode 1104 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:51.359 of Blurry Photos. I have been David Stepticon and I have been David Transflormer. 1105 01:28:53.239 --> 01:29:36.439 Yeah, I've been Johnny five, You're alive booo Byewrito shape changers. 1106 01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:48.600 But no, it morbid Jim jam skies morbid. Obi's guys, Johnny, 1107 01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:51.119 I think that you probably have one more in the cut. At least I 1108 01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:54.760 have a lot more. Yeah, yeah, hit us, hit us. 1109 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:59.800 Uh. Some robots were on a camping trip in the fifties and uh it 1110 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:02.880 was a big accident. Nobody knows what happens. They never returned. It's 1111 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:11.279 a total spooky mystery. It's called the Dialatov low pass filter event. I 1112 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:15.600 don't even I don't even know enough for to get that. How did the 1113 01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:20.439 robot repair his internal clock? Wow? Crystal healing? Has it used at 1114 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:27.800 quartz crystal crystals? Oh? Well? What was the favorite algorithm of robots 1115 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:32.720 living in Miami in the nineteen eighties? Line detection because of the cocaine. 1116 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:39.279 Did you guys read that new article on telepresence robotics on the Internet. I 1117 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.239 thought I did, but I guess not. It was riveting. Jesus Christ, 1118 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:47.399 did you guys hear about this new battery charging robot? If? I 1119 01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:54.359 say, yes, it really has potential? Oh my god, I think 1120 01:30:54.439 --> 01:31:02.720 I think something's malfunctioning. He's on rogue tank. Tread suspensions are really gaining 1121 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:05.640 traction in the robotics community. I swear to God, I'm gonna murder you. 1122 01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:11.079 So the police actually just arrested a robot. It's going to be a 1123 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:15.399 period in circuit court soon. Okay, that was pretty good. Uh they 1124 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:19.560 just made a new RPG for autonomous robots. Oh yeah, it's called Pathfinder. 1125 01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:26.600 I have a lot more so. Yeah, we'll wait till you till 1126 01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:30.439 your stand up at the shut. The problem is is that his battery is 1127 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:35.079 self charging. We the puns are like my number one favorite thing.