1 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,440 Hello, and welcome back to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,280 Sam Angel Lena as staff editor at The Federalist Don't Forget. You can email 3 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,039 any comments or questions for the show to radio at the Federalist dot com, 4 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:32,159 follow us on Twitter at fdr LST, and make sure to subscribe wherever you 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,600 download your podcast as well. Today I am joined by Aidan Bazzetti, President 6 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,200 of The Bull Moose Project, a startup a nonprofit organization that is dedicated to 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,479 training, supporting, and electing the next generation of American statesman while further building 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,439 out the brigand and conservative populist movement. It just so happens the Bull Moose 9 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,119 Project is hosting a Candidate the Leadership simit this week to prepare a perspective of 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,640 the candidates for the twenty twenty four elections cycle. Today, Aiden and I 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,960 will be discussing some recent headlines as well as what it takes to become as 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,159 fit as a bull moose in the political arena. Aiden, welcome and thanks 13 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,799 for joining. Thank you for having me. How's your morning? Then, 14 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:10,519 It's been a busy morning. So what goes into planning a candidates leadership Summit? 15 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,959 And about how many perspective candidates do you guys have? So we have 16 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,799 about forty to fifty in perspective candidates, and we our timeline for this event 17 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:26,799 was long because it's our inaugural leadership summit. It's two days, and so 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:32,079 we ended up planning this darkness, the deploying the groundwork in back in October. 19 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:34,840 And for that groundwork, we were thinking, what is our ideal number 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,719 of attendees, what's our budget, what kind of content we want to include? 21 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,959 When do we want to start opening applications for this event? Just basing 22 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,760 information like that, And as we entered into twenty twenty three, so a 23 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:57,560 couple of months pass, we start advertising the event, getting some preliminary speakers 24 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:01,680 confirmed, announcing them to generate more interest us. We've spent the last couple 25 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,159 of weeks in particulars, so what kind of materials you need? Journals, 26 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:13,520 folders, content from our sponsors, making sure our speakers are here on time, 27 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:19,439 do they need flights, hotels, Making sure all of my administrative stuff, 28 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:23,039 the back end stuff is all good so that the i RS doesn't come 29 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,199 and kill us later on, or you know, so we don't get charged 30 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:32,280 a whole lot of logistics. Yeah, for the logistics, So it's been 31 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,120 it's been busy. Most of the logistical end is making sure that we have 32 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:45,080 everything ordered and plan to arrive on time. So so that's what I've been 33 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,159 doing the last few weeks. Awesome. Well, also, you know, 34 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:52,120 you're a pretty young group of guys. There's about four or five of you 35 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,439 manning this operation if I'm correct, and you're all in your early to mid 36 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:59,520 twenties. So what is that like? Is it hard getting you know, 37 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,879 put establishments to take you seriously, what is it like going about getting sponsorships? 38 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,879 Because you guys have some pretty big sponsorships for this leadership some event. 39 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:13,560 Yeah, we do. We have Heritage Foundation, the Mesa's Institute, Leadership 40 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:17,840 Institute, and American Moment are some of our big sponsors. And you know, 41 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,560 there is a certain amount of of issues that you have to overcome when 42 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:28,879 when you are a younger person, when you are launching an organization on your 43 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:31,919 own. And this isn't the first time we've done something that The Bullings Project 44 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,759 has been around for a little bit under the radar for most people, and 45 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:43,680 so we've spent the last thing we started just about two years ago in one 46 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:47,719 form or another. And so we've spent the last two years building up trust 47 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,400 with people that work in these institutions, inviting them to events, proving that 48 00:03:54,639 --> 00:04:00,599 even though we are young, we're capable or trustworthy, we are representive of 49 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,960 the movement that we're trying to build. And so when I when I went 50 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,479 to these these organizations and I and I pitched them on this, I said, 51 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,680 hey, we're we are doing this. This is our goal, this 52 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:16,839 is our mission, this is our logistical plan. I have sponsorships from these 53 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,480 people already, We've we've already done this amount of planning and going to them 54 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:27,639 with that basic level of trust over the last couple of years, and then 55 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,439 actually proving to them we've already put the work in to host this, I 56 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,439 think made all the difference. So being representative of the movement, what exactly 57 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:40,639 does that entail? Because it's it's a conservative populism. So expand upon that 58 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,360 a bit, what does that look like? Who are you know, the 59 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:49,079 main political avatars at the moment? What intellectual vein does that occupied? So 60 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:55,240 I guess well, so well as as a on the sea four and on 61 00:04:55,439 --> 00:05:00,480 one of our providence, we've made endorsements in the twenty twenty two cycle, 62 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,319 mostly on the federal end. Probably the most representative person that went through that 63 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:12,160 cycle as Senator JD. Vance from the Great Suit Ohio of Ohio, from 64 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:16,680 the Great State of Ohio. He's probably one of the most representative representative of 65 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:23,959 our views. There are also others when I when I look at conservative populism, 66 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,519 there's there's a lot of debate over that term about can you be a 67 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:32,160 conservative and can be populist? What is populism? Honestly, I try to 68 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:39,279 stay away from some of the political theory debates mostly because I honestly, I 69 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:46,079 self merely have not read enough classic political theory that a lot of the people 70 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,160 here in DC bring up all the time. But what we're trying to do 71 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:59,920 is connect with the people and everyday America basically the ones the people who believe 72 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,720 even America First in the way that Donald Trump was talking about it back in 73 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:09,839 twenty sixteen, and we want those people to run for office. So it 74 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,839 seems like you're trying to blend dinner table economic issues as well as you know, 75 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,759 prioritizing America first foreign policy, trying to you know, not minimizing the 76 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:24,519 adventurism if you will, yeah, in a way, and some of our 77 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:30,439 our motivating issues as an organization, where when Blake Masters on Camping Trail said 78 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,360 that he wants people to be able to raise a family on a single income, 79 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:39,480 that's something that's a goal that we should strive towards. We want to 80 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:45,439 strive towards that. It practically it looks like reviewing our trade policy, which 81 00:06:45,519 --> 00:06:49,639 does a lot of interaction with foreign policy in general. So our Americans and 82 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,120 American companies being damaged by our trade relationships, are we being taken advantage of? 83 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,279 How does this impact people's jobs well being? Things like that. We 84 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,959 also look at the broader, the broader issues like bay tech and antitrust, 85 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,560 which kind of goes a little bit back to our namesake, at least on 86 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,560 the antitrust angle. But ultimately, we want in America, where people have 87 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,600 families, people are economically secure, that our position in the world cannot be 88 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:30,199 totally derailed by by sanctions or people refusing to sell us things. Basically, 89 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:36,240 we want to measure self sufficiency and self protection for Americans and their families. 90 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:42,199 Interesting, So I have two questions, but first it's drilled down a bit 91 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:46,560 on the namesake of the Bull moose project, because pretty obviously it's an invocation 92 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,279 of Fyodore Roosevelt, so Teddy rose tr being, you know, republican, 93 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:59,720 one of the most famous and iconic US presidents, is also pretty famously known 94 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:03,360 for kicking off what is called the progressive era in American politics in American history. 95 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:11,240 Are you concerned about that kind of conflating at all with contemporary leftism or 96 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:18,079 you know how that might be conflated with socialistic economics and any capacity. Personally, 97 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,240 I'm not concerned. I know that a lot of our detractors from the 98 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:31,079 broader conservative sphere have relentlessly pointed this out to us, and it's something that 99 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,200 gets brought up to me every so often. But when we look at what 100 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,240 Theodore Roosevelt says, and I can't remember the specific speech he was giving when 101 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:45,159 he is proposing his plans for America and a new way of looking at our 102 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:54,000 economic system, he is proposing these for the time more liberal reforms for the 103 00:08:54,080 --> 00:09:00,360 purpose of preventing socialism and communism from taking hold in the United States. Whether 104 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:05,360 it was necessary, I obviously cannot say, But I don't think Theodore Roosevelt 105 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:15,840 as a person is applicable to eat leftism either then or now, the heart 106 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:18,960 interjected. But to be fair, you know, contemporary leftism would not be 107 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,039 recognizable to anybody more than like thirty minutes ago. So that's true. It's 108 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:28,720 the whole other beast of its own different mechanicians, right. Well, I 109 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:33,960 think you know, the Progressive Party, the Progressive era, the Progressive Party 110 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,799 which the Roosevelt just kind of took over after that that Republican Convention was kind 111 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:43,399 of rigged from him by Taft and his supporters had two main factions. There's 112 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,080 Theodore Roosevelt's faction and there's one other was a more feminist faction. I can't 113 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,120 remember the women that were in charge of it. And because the Restive Party 114 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,840 had a more feminist faction of the progressive part of it, and so Theore 115 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:58,960 Rosel was just kind of swept in and took that over for his own purpose. 116 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,000 But he faced a lot of criticisms from that party of being more of 117 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:13,039 an imperialist and interventionist compared to the feminist faction, which was very pacifist. 118 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,519 They wanted to cut a lot of the military budget, and I think part 119 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:24,440 of some of the legacy that Theodore Roosevelt is associated with comes from political expediency 120 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,879 of the time, felt shut out by the Republicans, He did not like 121 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:33,720 Tafts, He felt like taff was ruining his legacy as president, which marri 122 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:39,759 ment not be true, and he was kind of forced to embrace in some 123 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:43,279 form or fashion a lot of the Progressive Party of views. I don't think 124 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:52,639 though that obviously not a Theo Roswell scholar, but a lot of a lot 125 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,960 of the reforms that they wanted happened, and I think, honestly they probably 126 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,919 weren't that awful. When we look at the America then and the American now, 127 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,120 it's clearly different. There were still problems with assimilation and immigrants of the 128 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:15,720 scale which is extremely probably a thousand percent or more worse now. Um, 129 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,679 But when we look at the America America that existed in the early twentieth century, 130 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:28,159 it was still very religious. There were still broadly shared social norms cultural 131 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,559 norms even there, even though there are differences by region, And I do 132 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:39,559 think that there probably was in a Republican system some good argument for the more 133 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:46,080 liberal reforms that they wanted, which collection of senators wouldn't look. So that's 134 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,519 what you mean when you say more liberal the more like, Um, I 135 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,440 don't want to say, I guess liberalizing of democracy. I was gonna say 136 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,480 democratizing of democracy. But that, right, it's kind of redundant. I 137 00:11:54,519 --> 00:12:00,879 mean, okay, it's the liberalizing of democracy. Um. And things that 138 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:05,360 people take for granted now women were being able to vote, the things we 139 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:07,840 assume that have always been the way they are, right. Direct election of 140 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,639 senators is probably the biggest one, because a lot of people don't realize now 141 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:20,080 that senators were chosen by the legislators before that progressive error. The Watchdought on 142 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,519 Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between 143 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,720 politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet. How much is the 144 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:33,360 mainstream media incohoots with the Biden administration? Since when did the media care so 145 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,240 much about catching leakers? Is that their job? Should they be asking more 146 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,960 questions instead of being another wing of the White House. Whether it's happening in 147 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,000 DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. 148 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,759 Check out the Watchdought on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, 149 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:56,799 or wherever you get your podcasts well. To be fair, though, 150 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:00,600 the whole point of the Senate was to give you equal footing to each state 151 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,440 in Congress. But back to they're coming out in the weeds there, but 152 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:09,320 interesting, interesting little sidebar, But back to the summit. This is to 153 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,120 train Canadate's for the twenty twenty four election cycle. And you guys are looking 154 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,840 more specifically at the federal level. Correct, We're actually looking more on the 155 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,879 local and state. There's you know, a decent amount of people that always 156 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,720 look at the federal stuff. It's it's the most flashy, it gets the 157 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:33,120 most attention. There's nothing wrong with that. But one of the reasons that 158 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:37,720 we're actually looking at the local level. And when I when I say local, 159 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,200 I really mean very local and state levels, so like school boards and 160 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,519 things like that, school boards, state legislatures, city councils, county commissions, 161 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,000 things like that. Interesting And the reason why we're looking at that is 162 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,480 because, like I said before, we made endorsements in the twenty twenty two 163 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:00,399 mid terms, and Republicans as a whole did not perform as well as people 164 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:05,919 expected, but particularly particularly the candidates that we felt aligned with our values the 165 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,840 most, and when we were doing our diagnostic on that we candidate, the 166 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,320 conclusion there are a couple main themes. One, there are first time candidates. 167 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:24,799 They never run for office before, low name, might credentials kind of 168 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:28,559 varied depending on who it was. They've never had to raise money before, 169 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,799 so they basically started from scratch, and a lot of them had no political 170 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,120 experience either. There was a lot of This is more of a you might 171 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,480 have more background information on this, but from my perspective, it felt like 172 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,879 there was a lot of influencer politics. I felt like people were more attuned 173 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,759 to getting retweets than they were knocking on doors and shaking hands and kissing babies. 174 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,360 That's part of it, and that's broadly under the category of candidate and 175 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,759 experience. It's difficult to be a candidate, and it's difficult to run a 176 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:09,759 campaign for Congress. Depending on the seat, there's hundreds of thousands of dollars, 177 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,759 if not millions of dollars that you have to raise, and of course 178 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,080 you want to win. But when you have somebody running for office for the 179 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,879 first time, they've never run before, they've never raised money before, they 180 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,039 don't know how it works. They've probably never been in politics before, which 181 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:33,000 generally people like to hear they don't like career politicians on an instinctual level. 182 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:37,200 But that runs into a lot of problems. So people got drifted by consultants, 183 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:43,120 They tricked themselves into believe in that online support was real support. They 184 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:48,720 struggled to raise money for any variety of reason, and it's just hard. 185 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:54,600 There's a very high failure rate for federal offices, especially Congress. When we're 186 00:15:54,639 --> 00:16:00,399 looking at the local and state level, the local dynamics are always interesting and 187 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,559 you can run into some of the same issues, but things like county commission, 188 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:10,000 city council, state legislature, depending on where it is, can have 189 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:15,919 just as high a bar for necessitating candidate experience. But you need to raise 190 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,200 less money. There's less people to knock on doors, for less people to 191 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,519 talk to. It's a good testing ground for people to get experience being a 192 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:33,440 candidate. It's a good testing ground to get experience being an elected official actually 193 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,840 having responsibility for hundreds, not thousands of people with the decisions that you make. 194 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,519 And so earlier when I said we are trying to build a movement that 195 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:48,799 we are starting from the ground floor, are there are a lot of groups 196 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,559 that are focused on staffing. There are a lot of groups that do voter 197 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,159 engagement with millions and millions of dollars. That's not us. What we're trying 198 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,279 to do is develop leaders. It's finding a grassroots activists riled up. But 199 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,680 if you don't have a leader, they will disappear. It's fine to have 200 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,880 staffers that are good, and it's necessary actually, but you also need the 201 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,359 people to hire them in the first place. So you need a farm system. 202 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,319 You can't just have people to take over if you don't have that talent 203 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,680 to take over when the other people retire. Exactly. Need someone to vote 204 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:29,440 for right, no, exactly. And so we're hoping that people that go 205 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,000 through our training, especially this training and beyond, when they get into local 206 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,759 office, they will get experience. They will find themselves, they will figure 207 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:44,519 out how things work and avoid the critical mistakes people that ran for Congress made, 208 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,079 and over a period of time, you know, they get experienced, 209 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:51,440 they get a record, they learn the issues, and they are able to 210 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,039 move up and then move up, probably hopefully in a more successful manner than 211 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:03,559 if they were just leading a regular life and then a snap decision decided to 212 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:08,160 run. So you're trying to build out like this farm system of conservative I 213 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:14,519 don't want to say activists, but conservative enthusiasts to you know, fill the 214 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:21,480 nation with many trs will say, are they all? Are you focusing specifically 215 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:27,240 on people of populist inclination, or are the candidates who're trying to recruit more 216 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,799 just you know, conservative of the fusionists breed for lack of a better term, 217 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,880 Do they have to be, you know, these new right types or 218 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,480 would you take someone who's more of the libertarian vent who happens to be skeptical 219 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:48,119 of big tech. That's a good question. When when we went through the 220 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,279 process of looking at the people who apply for the summit, I spoke with 221 00:18:53,799 --> 00:19:00,039 just about every single person, and on our form for this we have a 222 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,119 general surveys. We could understand how they felt on a variety of different issues 223 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,400 that we cared about that typical conservatives cared about UM, and so then I 224 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,039 would get on a call with them and talk about it and see what they 225 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:22,440 thought UM in a more fluid setting. And generally, but the people that 226 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,240 we interviewed I would say were probably about eighty percent of the way there. 227 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:33,279 There's a certain amount of variance, the way they're being populous issues, the 228 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:38,240 way they're like, yeah, being populous, adjacent um sharing the majority of 229 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:45,519 our values, I guess is probably the better term. And there's a certain 230 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:48,240 amount of variants that you have to have when you work on politics. It's 231 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:53,079 just the reality of things. We're never going to get everybody one hundred percent 232 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,200 in line with us all the time, and that that's a fact, and 233 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,279 it's a fact to be because everybody has their own opinions. People that run 234 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:07,440 for office and Florida are going to be believed different things and people that run 235 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,720 for office in Texas or California or Ohio. It's just how the United States 236 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:17,680 work. It's different geographic interests. The agricultural industry in Ohio is very different 237 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,440 than that of and so we look we look for general agreements. So what 238 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:29,119 do you think about big tech? What are your opinions on restoring manufacturing? 239 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,200 What is your opinion on the family in general, quote unquote pro family policy? 240 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,920 What do you think about some cultural issues, immigration, the border? 241 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:45,960 And that gave us a good baseline of who exactly was interested in our program. 242 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,799 Interesting, so you mentioned you know your your principles, what exactly are 243 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:56,000 those and how do they align with populism? And then let's also drilled down 244 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,960 and unpack what populism is, because at any given time, it seems like 245 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:03,680 there's thirty different operative definitions of populism. And there's also you know, there's 246 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,839 a left populism, right populism, and like a centrist populism at the same 247 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:14,160 time. And on the bend diagram there seems to be a good deal overlapping, 248 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,920 but a lot of distinct differences at the same time. So as far 249 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,359 as our values go, and they're on our website as well, it's and 250 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,640 what is that website so people can find website and bull News Projects dot org. 251 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:30,559 Our first value on there is a fair market and that's something that we 252 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,640 basically lifted from Theodore Roosevelt. And a fair market to us is the principle 253 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:45,000 that the American economy should work for Americans and American companies. And when I 254 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:49,079 say American country needs so it's kind of start interject it's like you're honestly inverting, 255 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:52,200 but you're taking the America first principle and putting it into the marketplace. 256 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Right, And before I go on with that law, what I will say 257 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:03,200 is a lot of our focus with policy UM is taking this America First message 258 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:11,079 and focusing it domestically. The America First foreign policy is still within our purview, 259 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,640 but we've really been focused on applying all of our principles in domestic politics. 260 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:25,000 So that's a very unique distinction because I think America First, generally it's 261 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,240 a it's a visceral and instinctual response people have, and I think it's personally, 262 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,400 I think it's properly oriented, UM, because you want to people want 263 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,119 to prioritize their neighbors, their and their families and their their interests. UM. 264 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,519 That's you know, generally the role of a nation. But we're so 265 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,920 used to thinking of it, as you know, America First in terms of 266 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,079 foreign policy. People don't think of it in terms of the marketplace. That's 267 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:53,079 a very unique distinction that that's very fascinating. Yeah, and you know, 268 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,960 on our website we have a quote from Theodore Roosevelt that I just pulled up 269 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:03,359 that that really inspired this, And the quote is, those who advocate for 270 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:08,000 total lack of regulation, those who advocate for lawless lists, lawlessness in the 271 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:12,519 business world themselves, give the strongest impulse to what I believe would be a 272 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:22,160 deadening movement towards unadulterated state socialism. So Theodore Roosevelt very clearly against state socialism, 273 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,640 and we are also against state socialism. And so when we look at 274 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,279 the American economy, we want Americans and businesses, primarily smaller businesses, not 275 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:44,119 these million billion dollars multinational corporations, to have an equal playing field in their 276 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,720 in their communities. And there's a lot of interesting ways that we could break 277 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:53,599 this down that could probably go on for hours, but when some basic examples. 278 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,119 You take the healthcare industry, right, a lot of people want to 279 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,640 hear rid of Obama Care, you know, all the super hundreds of thousands 280 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,319 of pages of documents. One of the biggest problems in the medical industry, 281 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:14,759 especially in rural communities, is the fact that hospitals and ambiance companies are the 282 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,880 fact of monopolies, which is not something that people think about. If there 283 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,599 is one hospital within one hundred miles, they can set any price they want 284 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,440 and people have to go there or just not go to the hospital. That's 285 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,880 a very broad focused example. But you know, when when we look at 286 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:40,119 economic regulation, we want safety standards up, we want but we also want 287 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,599 people to succeed. If we want people to be able to start a business 288 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:47,720 not get taxed until the ground, especially if it's a small business. We 289 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:53,359 want that environment where somebody can feasibly launch something and be able to live off 290 00:24:53,359 --> 00:25:00,279 of it and not get totally crushed by competitors on the same ground them. 291 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,480 One of our other principles is what we call it rust's rejuvenation. Is that 292 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:11,519 an acronym or is it? So? The acronym is rural urban, small 293 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:19,480 town rejuvenation, obviously inspired by by the rust belt that that principle deals more 294 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:26,920 with reshoring manufacturing, bringing jobs back, reviving a lot of the dying communities 295 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:32,960 across America, especially in the Midwest. It kind of goes in line with 296 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,160 our fair market principles. A lot of our stuff is interdependent on each other, 297 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,880 so we want a fair American economy. That means we don't want to 298 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,920 prioritize foreign companies that have outsourced all these jobs. We want jobs to come 299 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,920 back in. We want people to be able to raise a family and pay 300 00:25:52,920 --> 00:26:00,200 for a house and you know the modern American amenities. Right. So it 301 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:06,200 seems like in regard to you know, comparing your brand of populism too, 302 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,079 you know, I guess more leftist brand of populism. The emphasis on you 303 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:19,440 know, actual entrepreneurialism is very heavy as opposed to just the actual jackboot of 304 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,440 regulation being pushed down. That seems to be more of the leftist brand. 305 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,359 So the the it seems to be an unfair, you know, characterization that 306 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,400 you know, conservative populism is just socialism. You know, we just you 307 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,240 just disprove that. So I think that's an important distinction that ought to be 308 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,839 more emphasized. I mean, right, Granted, I don't think attractors will 309 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,960 necessarily allow that to be made because it's usually bad faith the characterizations. But 310 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000 yeah, the interesting thing, and there's a lot of I don't usually like 311 00:26:52,119 --> 00:27:00,599 the term new right because there are so many different, very niche, very 312 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,519 theoretical factions. I don't start to interject again, but I don't think there's 313 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,480 I think all these different labels are counterproductive at the end of the day, 314 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,119 right, it's all it does disturb to put people in different camps, and 315 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,000 to cause ideological infighting and to further fray a coalition that ought to be moving 316 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:21,640 towards the same goals. Right for us, our animating one of our animating 317 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,799 principles I guess to put up plainly is we are not afraid of using government 318 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,279 to actually care for people, to protect. Not careful, but we're not 319 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:40,559 afraid of using government to protect people, protect the interest of its citizens and 320 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:47,160 a variety of different fields. And that broad statement is what brings those attractors 321 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,880 to say, oh, your collectivists, you're socialists, you want this and 322 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,839 that. No, we still believe in we believe in America as a nation 323 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,960 as a people, but we also believe in a certain amount of individual action, 324 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:11,519 responsibility, entrepreneurship, kind of that frontier like spirit that animated America for 325 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,480 you know, just about two hundred years. And so yeah, it's it's 326 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,920 that broad statement is what brings people to make those bad faith arguments. But 327 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:26,359 I don't think it's bad to realize that, yes, the government sometimes can 328 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,880 do good things, and the government does have a responsibility to care for its 329 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,319 citizens. I think it's right and fair to say that a lot of regulations 330 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,720 do not help Americans. And what I would personally say to that is, 331 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:48,759 and there's an excellent book about it that I cannot remember the name of right 332 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,759 now. A lot of the regulations that we have are redundant, they're wasteful. 333 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,960 We don't want waste. We want efficiency. We want the government to 334 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:04,240 run well and have a a very sharp focus on certain issues. So we 335 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:14,720 want regulations that benefit Americans over foreign corporations, foreigners, foreign countries, but 336 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:21,000 we don't want regulation that will strangle the economy and small businesses. Makes sense, 337 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,319 So, you know, building off of that, what would be the 338 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:29,240 ideal slew of what would you do differently if you had you know, the 339 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,319 blank, you know, legal bad what regulations would you implement today if you 340 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,559 could? You know, I think one of the examples that in this book 341 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,200 that I I might have to put it in the show notes or something like 342 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,079 that, because I'm just totally blanking. I'm very numeorous. There were two 343 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:49,839 examples that suck out to me from that book. The first was that two 344 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:56,759 or three different federal agencies had different regulations on pizza because of the separate the 345 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:02,559 separate categories of toppings, you know, whether it's seafood or meat or something 346 00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:07,920 like that. But probably one of the biggest examples is a tree fell on 347 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,799 a creek and it was something like a class sea creek, which meant that 348 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:18,720 the town could not just pull out. They had to get an environmental study 349 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,480 and they had to bring in their lawyers to see how pulling the tree out 350 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:29,319 of the creek would affect the environment around it. Stuff like that is stupid. 351 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:34,079 There are some environmental regulations that I'm sure are good, but a lot 352 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:41,039 of the like the redundancies, the oh we need a five year, multimillion 353 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:49,240 dollars study the creek. It doesn't make any sense. Again, I can't 354 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:56,440 remember the book, but or specific specific regulations in mind, but a principle 355 00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:00,039 of well, maybe things should be streamlined. Maybe you don't have to go 356 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:06,880 through a ten year process and ten stages of management to poltry out of there. 357 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,759 That makes sense. So let's sticking back a bit to talk about, 358 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:19,880 you know, actual the differences of the populist candidates at the moment. RFK 359 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:29,480 Jr. Recently announced his presidential campaign, and as we discussed numberfore started recording, 360 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:34,000 he's pulling at fourteen percent of the President Biden's current support. What are 361 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,680 your thoughts on that? Do you think there's a vein for these you know, 362 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:45,799 more populist trending democrats to kind of cut in and kind of be spoiler 363 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,039 candidates for the twenty twenty four cycle, or do you think it's kind of 364 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:55,200 game over on that because also at the same time you have more leftist populists. 365 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:59,480 I know Matt Gates recently referred to Elon Omar as a leftist populist. 366 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,319 What do you think the trajectory of, you know, left in populism is 367 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,279 in American politics at the moment. That's a good question. With with RFK, 368 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:14,279 I'm loosely familiar with with him over the last couple of years over the 369 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,640 pandemic. He's most notable for his um being an outspoken critic of the COVID 370 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,200 nineteen jobs when it comes to and I don't know the rest of his policies, 371 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,359 but I'm sure you know, the anti vax stuff is probably the most 372 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,599 considering his candidate. He's very critical of the CIA as well. Yeah, 373 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,079 with that kind of I don't even know if it would be right to call 374 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,920 him a more conservative Democrat's compared to Joe Biden and many of the Democrats Now, 375 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,319 I think there is still a road for them. I think it's rapidly 376 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:52,799 disappearing. I would be interested to see if he continues to the primaries how 377 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:58,480 he performs, because I do think there are there are Obama voters right and 378 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:04,519 there are still a lot of older people that are Democrats that are conservative but 379 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,599 just vote won't vote for Republicans. So I think if he continues through the 380 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,359 whole cycle without dropping out, and we get to see some results, I 381 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:20,759 would be interested to see what the demographic breakdown of his the vote share is. 382 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,359 I think I think he'll I think having the named Kennedy, there's always 383 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,960 going to be a big coalition of you know, people who support that American 384 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,880 dynasty. It definitely helps. I'll be willing to bet it's mostly older people. 385 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,119 I think. I think the route for a quote unquote conservative Democrat in 386 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:47,519 the way that we would probably understand them is flatlining very quickly. Um one 387 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:53,079 of the only conservative Democrats left probably Joe Mansion on the federal level. The 388 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,440 I mean, I think even then, the label conservative Democrat is very you 389 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200 know, what does that even mean? It's like they're willing they don't like 390 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,199 I think at this point it probably just refers to Democrats that are they don't 391 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,519 want to cut off they want to keep oil subsidies exactly. They want to 392 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:19,320 keep oil subsidies, and they may or may not support abortion right, which 393 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,880 is rather they tow the line on abortion that they obscure their stance. I 394 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,800 think referring to Joe Mansion, as you know, conservative democrat is kind of 395 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,039 specifically with him, is a little if he because he's kind of a political 396 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:39,320 anomaly. Um. Yeah, being in West Virginia, which is the that 397 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,039 is Trump does Trump vill uessay like he should not he should not be in 398 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,760 office next cycle, which is part of the reason he's considering a run for 399 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,840 president. You know, it's there isn't really a he should not be able 400 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,119 to get reelected as a Democrat in West Virginia, right. I guess the 401 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,480 conservative part of Joe Mansion is the fact that he will not go along with 402 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:06,480 these reforms that would probably destroy the United States, you know, which is 403 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,599 energy. That's right. If he goes again school, which has in the 404 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,400 past in the past calendar year, that's it. That's game over. That's 405 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,599 entire's a huge part of the States. It's a very low bar to be 406 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,920 a quote unquote conservative Democrat right now. Um, I think the more likely 407 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:34,360 is Alan Omar, leftist populist AOC. That one the documentary on AOC's ron 408 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:38,920 is very interesting. Um And honestly, one of the one of the influences 409 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:45,599 for what we are doing came from and I'm probably will we get attack to 410 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,719 us, but it came from what the progressive left is doing. In the 411 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,079 modern Democratic Party. You have all these organizations Justice Democrats, they recruit progressive 412 00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:00,239 challengers and they just hammer it and they just throw everything at the wall, 413 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,119 and they see what's six. We're a little bit more nuanced. We want 414 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,079 people to win in a variety of different districts because we are we're focused on 415 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:16,920 promoting the welfare people, not necessarily just advancing strict ideological goals, which is 416 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,320 why there's a certain amount of acceptable variants. Right. But if you look 417 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:29,360 up how to run for office on Google, the first five pages will be 418 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:36,159 ninety nine percent progressive organizations. There may be one or two. There's a 419 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,519 reason for that. Yeah, well, there's definitely a reason for that. 420 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,360 But run for office dot org. You look at the where you put in 421 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,840 your address and you see what offices are available and all other stuff, and 422 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,760 you look at their partners and it's all democratic and progressive organizations. There's probably 423 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:58,400 one or two websites that are more conservative to talk about running for office. 424 00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:06,480 But it's all there are. There's an entire campaign apparatus and nonprofit apparatus for 425 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,119 progressives, and they go to the most niche groups possible. There there are 426 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,800 progressive firms for data, they're progressive firms for grassroots targeting their progressive firms for 427 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,519 everything, and they only work for progressives. On the nonprofit side, there 428 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,239 are groups that only train women. There are groups that only train women of 429 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:30,079 color. There are only true there are groups that only train progressive Hispanic candidates. 430 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:35,639 So you have like this hyper targeting of the niche identity groups that the 431 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,480 left values so much, and they will just throw everything at the wall. 432 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:45,519 And a lot of times they are focusing on local races. RAOC and Elanomer 433 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,239 and some of the squad are big successes, but they're also taking over city 434 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,280 council school boarding school boards. They've had this figured out for decades, it's 435 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,000 not it took the right until recently to really get it act together. You 436 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:07,039 know, you mentioned justice Democrats. That's the right tends to put its It 437 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,960 does do recruiting things when it comes to politics, but it tends to put 438 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,719 those people into for profit media and influence our roles. Nowadays, Google isn't 439 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,039 necessarily to build out a farm farm system kind of how you guys are. 440 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:28,360 It's more focused on ROI, return on investment. It wants to because it's 441 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:37,599 just kind of how the the the Republican bases inclination is to people were entrepreneurial 442 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,960 people. We want to make a profit so we can increase our quality of 443 00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,280 life and increase the quality of life of those around us and then our communities, 444 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,480 so we tend to turn to make businesses instead of you know, right, 445 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,920 we're not necessarily focused on micromanaging every aspect of our communities life and our 446 00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:00,960 neighbors lives, So we don't really think about recruiting everybody who might and like 447 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:06,320 micromanage right for office. And but that's how we that's how those other people 448 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,440 get into power and destroy everything, right, Well, yeah, and that's 449 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:15,440 that's part of the problem when it comes to conservatives running for office. There 450 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:22,119 is an establishment apparatus. They hand picked people ahead of time that typically are 451 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,599 m veterans, typically our business and others. Look at the people I'm gonna 452 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,320 I'm not gonna use you know, specific individuals, but just look at who 453 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,519 are the like, you know, prominent. Let's look at the aesthetics of 454 00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:37,360 it. Look at individual prominent Republicans and you can see, you know, 455 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,360 who is being backed by, what interested why they're being backed by them? 456 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:49,960 And part the problem with that is these establishment circles that that quote unquote recruit 457 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,199 these people really can't pick them. They're not the Cannis that they picked, 458 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,559 unit advanced any new ideas. Um. They are probably most of the time 459 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:07,400 great people. They are just not responsive to the current issues of the country. 460 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,400 And they also tend to be on the older side, which, depending 461 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,800 your point of view, may or may not be a bad thing. We 462 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,519 actually at our summit we have a fair amount of younger guys, but also 463 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,440 people in their thirties and forties, which is older than me, but in 464 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:29,199 politics, so pretty young in politics, Like I would argue being in your 465 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,679 sixties as young. I mean, granted, being in your sixties is young, 466 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,760 I would argue in general or not young, but you're not You're not 467 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,800 over the hill, I would act, you're not. You're not an elderly 468 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:44,480 person of just sixty, but you're setting your ways. Um. But I 469 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,440 think there is a certain amount of reaching out that people like us can do. 470 00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:52,559 But besides that point, the conservatives do not like to run for office 471 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,320 if they do not think they will win. The progressive left, whether they're 472 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,320 activists or candidates or what, they make a living out of being a perpetual 473 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,239 victim, the throwing spaghetti at the wall and saying with six, they throw 474 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,199 everything at the wall. They see what's six. If they lose an election, 475 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:14,880 then they just go right back to screaming. And it's normal. But 476 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,639 conservatives who un for office are typically a little bit older. They have families, 477 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,079 children, maybe grandchildren, businesses, or reputation. It's asking a lot 478 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,159 to have them possibly throw it all away just to lose. Well, there 479 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:36,400 isn't a financial system to support being a perpetual, you know, conservative rebel 480 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:43,079 rouser. There's also not the societal mechanisms to you know, bail conservative rebel 481 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,360 rousers out of jail perpetually. There's not. There isn't the infrastructure too, 482 00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:53,039 or the interest to just keep that in place. And it's interesting when when 483 00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:00,519 we talk about rebel rousing and it comes to brings some mind that the whole 484 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,119 Tennessee three thing. And I think one of the one of those guys I 485 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,679 can't remember his name, brought in a child sized casket. I believe that 486 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,519 was justin Pearson. Right, the progressive left, and this is something that 487 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:15,280 I've seen a lot of people say in social media. Oh, I hate 488 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,719 theater kids. They're all the kid nationalism, theater kid nationalism, theater kid 489 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:28,320 progressivism. Um, it's and people they left is soak it up, even 490 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,639 independence and centrist because they're all theater kids. The left is entirely made up 491 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,280 of theater kids or kids who were like in the crew of like the kids 492 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,000 are worth the lights. It's not right and it's all fun and games to 493 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:45,000 say, oh they're theater kids. There, that's a political sun carrying in 494 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:47,920 a casket. And then they understand optics. They understand the optics, or 495 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,119 rather they understand the optics that motivate their base. We're into normal, normal, 496 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,880 like well adjusted people despise that and think it's incredibly import taste. But 497 00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,039 right, the people who donate to Active Blue monthly eat that up. And 498 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,000 the interesting thing about that is that you will do these theatrics to rile up 499 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:10,280 their base and get support. Um. But then and then conservatives online or 500 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,519 otherwise they'll be oh like that that was portas that doesn't actually do anything. 501 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,719 And then in secret, these Democrats will just pass yeah, legislation and regulation. 502 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,280 Is that just kill conservatives And that's why we've we've lost control of a 503 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,880 lot of aspects of government. To be fair, in Tennessee, I think 504 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,239 they very much overplay their hand, and we're seeing that in the state House. 505 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,079 You know, they're not the Republicans are not messing around. They're not 506 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:44,000 They're not playing around with any of this funny business. I don't want to 507 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,159 say a funny business, but any of this tom foolery. Rather. Um, 508 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,559 they're they're they're fed up and they see it for what it is and 509 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:57,559 it's they understand that. Justin Pearson and the quote unquote Tennessee three. Um, 510 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,280 all these they're just grifters who want they're fifteen minutes of fame to try 511 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,960 and turn it into something more. They see it for what it is and 512 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,519 they're not. They're going straight through it. They're not playing around, And 513 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,800 I mean I support them being spelled. I think they should have expelled all 514 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,400 three. They should have they should they should have expelled all three. Yeah, 515 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,039 but I mean they expelled the two the whole. It was one vote 516 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:21,880 that kept I'm blinking on the woman's name, but because she didn't hold the 517 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,880 megaphone. But that was an actual instance of them encouraging I don't want to 518 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,320 say, imagine if the roles were reversed that meme because you're lied Conservatives. 519 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,320 Yeah, it was bad optics. And well I think she really she didn't 520 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,000 get expelled by one vote, and it was because she didn't hold a megaphone 521 00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:45,039 and she like apologized or something like that to to some people in the caucus. 522 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:52,039 So it means it's an interpersonal relationship thing, but very easily was twisted 523 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,119 by the media into something else. But to be fair, that's how it's 524 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:59,360 always going to be. The media is never the corporate media, the tattletale 525 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,559 media, the insert pejorative here media, whatever you want to call them, 526 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:12,440 uh, legacy shills, whatever, they're always they will never engage with doing 527 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,519 good faith. And the GOP Conservatives, Republicans, the donor class is always 528 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,119 going to make the naive mistake of thinking, maybe they'll give me, maybe 529 00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,360 they'll treat me in good faith. They're not going to. They want to 530 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,039 see you dead, they want to see you bankrupted. They want to see 531 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,960 your town of filled de fent Anel. They want to see everything you stand 532 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,239 for it burned. They hate you. And that's one of the lessons that 533 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:45,400 we're trying to impart on our attendees. It's the one thing I'll be telling 534 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,039 them is it's difficult to run for office. You put a lot on the 535 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:54,119 line and you can lose, like if you're not indestructible. But it's important 536 00:45:54,199 --> 00:46:00,119 when when you are running or when when you are an elected official, that 537 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,199 you realize the media is really never help to help you. There are instances 538 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,360 where they might quote unquote help you by attacking you, but they will never 539 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,760 engage with you in good faith. And the sooner you understand that, the 540 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,559 easier you will be able to navigate. But you know, as tr said, 541 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,159 the glory belongs to the man of the arena. That's right. That's 542 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,840 right. And the second part of that speech, or that that section in 543 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:32,239 the speech talks about how he basically spent the rest of that speech insulting people 544 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:40,039 who never even try. And the interesting thing about Theodore Roosevelt is he started 545 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,480 his career, his political career as a state representative, and he used his 546 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:54,239 first speech on the floor to complain or yell about the selection of their speaker, 547 00:46:54,639 --> 00:47:00,320 who had been chosen by the Tammany Hall political machine. And I don't 548 00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,760 I believe that speaker was not chosen. So his first speech was his first 549 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,960 victory. He went on this huge anti corruption shree that got him a lot 550 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:14,760 of publicity and newspapers from all across the US. We're talking about how awful 551 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:21,119 it was that more young people like Theodore Roosevelt did not exist in politics because 552 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,920 he was in his early to mid twenties at the time, and he after 553 00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,320 that speech, he was attacked for the way that he spoke, the way 554 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:36,360 that he looked, the sheer brazenness of going against the political machine in New 555 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,079 York, but across the country people were looking at the reports of what he 556 00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,360 was saying and doing and thinking, why don't we have more young people like 557 00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:50,280 this? And the same problem then is still true today. Well, to 558 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,280 be fair, you know, even the conservative movement as it currently stands was 559 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,239 kicked off by a bunch of young men in their early to late just in 560 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,840 their twenties in general, but was in his twenties when he started the movement. 561 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,360 Right, It's it's always been that way. It's always been young people 562 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,599 who want to see a change in their lifetime for their for their for themselves 563 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,320 and for their posterity. That's that's always always been, you know, exactly 564 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,519 a lot of the quote the founders, at least at the start of the 565 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,760 revolution were be young as well. Alexander Hamilton, m a handful of others. 566 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:27,000 And I think that some people we're in, you know, the average 567 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,599 lifespan back then was like, you know, thirty three, so that's a 568 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:35,519 little different. But yeah, I mean, well those those infant mortalities brought 569 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:40,599 it down. But I mean it's the youth is the drive of history. 570 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:46,199 And I think we were talking earlier about our sponsors and and supporters and things 571 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:53,719 like that, and I think it's good for us that they realize that being 572 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,320 young is not necessarily a detriment um. There are there are always risks. 573 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,599 There's always a period of time where you have to radically shift your behavior the 574 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:09,960 way you think and kind of realize, wow, I am in the real 575 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,800 world, I am participating in the political process. I have to take myself 576 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:22,199 and this seriously. But once you've hit that, if there is a support 577 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:29,000 network of organizations of legacy or not. And people, even if there are 578 00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:32,199 only a few years older older than you or decades older than you, if 579 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:37,719 they realize that this is something to cultivate, then I think it vodes well 580 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,840 for the kind of movement that we're trying to build. Definitely well does it 581 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,480 for us here then? As always, thanks mostening.