It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to Games Decides
for February first, twenty twenty four. I am your host today, Mike
Minatti join bye, Sean Turboshaan McDowell, and today our Xbox and PlayStation working
on new handhelds. What did we think of the data play? And we're
going to decide the best fighting game guest characters ever. Shan, thank you
so much for joining me. Jeff is, of course taking a bit of
a break this week watching the kiddos having all sorts of fun. I'm sure,
But how's your week going? Ooh, I'm a busy boy, Mike,
Yeah, me too, Me too. It was a busy January for
me. I just coasted on into February. Here at the end of this
week, I have some time to relax. Yeah. I was really busy,
and not in a way that like, Jeff, if you're listening,
like you should feel bad if you being here would have had little to do
with it. It was just a lot of reasons. I was very busy
this week, and there are just so many games to play, and I
actually I complained the last year about it. Right now this moment, I
almost feel worse than ever in terms of Oh no, like I'm like,
I right now have two should be three big RPGs that I feel are necessary
to play through. Oh no, I'm in the same place Mike we had
if no Wealth drop. Recently, I've been trying to stay up on that
since I'm you know, kind of on the back burner for content on Giant
Bomb. I just like to be up on everything. Also, I am
actually like reviewing Persona three reload over there. Wow, I had to be
up on that. Yeah, no written reviews. This is not their turn
of written reviews or anything like that. But I should be Scheduling has been
funky, but I should be on a BCR tomorrow for our review cast.
For that, I'm gonna be on that. I'm not gonna be able to
talk a whole time about it. I like to just started last night,
and my hope is to frankly stay up too late so I could play a
good chunk of it tonight. You know, you know, I've been kind
of mister switch even with all these other things coming out, and I finally
like, know, we gotta get the Roger l I really go in here
because I'm just gonna, like, I'm not gonna be playing my Switch a
whole lot, probably for the next month, because I'm gonna really be playing
Persona and then maybe Infinite Wealth on my Roger if all goes in cording to
plan. At least so far, Persona Persona three running very well on my
Roger. I'm actually kind of stoked about that. Yeah, and we'll talk
more about at the end of the show, of course, But yeah,
it's a steam Deck verified game, even pre release, and it's been running
great for me since I got the code a couple of weeks ago. So
yeah, I think it's because, like I played person and three when it
came out on PS two for a bit. When I really played through it,
it was Peron and three portable, so I really like playing that game
portably. It makes me cozy in a way, and I was actually kind
of a little wonder struck playing It's like, Man, I played this game,
you know, the PSP version, which was it had to be like
downgraded from the PS two version to even work as a handheld game, And
now I'm just playing the real version of it on some handheld and that's just
how it works now. So it's it's pretty incredible, and that actually kind
of leads us into our first story here. Yeah, a known hardware leaker,
Moore's Law is dead. It's saying that Sony is working on a non
streaming console that would natively support and play games. I'd have a custom AMD
APU at least two years out, technically not greenlight for launch yet. These
are some of the details from Insider Gaming's report on this video. So Sony
has obviously released the PlayStation Portal, not tou Wango, which is a handheld
but a streaming device. And kind of interestingly, when Tom Henderson of Insider
Gaming was tweeting about this, he's like, you know, I bet Microsoft
is looking into it too. Well, then Jess Cordon over at Window Central
just replied and said they are. Now that might be speculation on Jesus part,
but Jess also does have some good insider information himself. But yeah,
in some ways, like why this isn't necessarily a shocking thing. Why wouldn't
both PlayStation and Xbox be interested in this market when the Switch has been a
giant hit forever and a lot of these kind of portable computer devices like the
Steam Deck, like the you know, the rag ally have kind of been
surprising, you know, the steam deck being was a bit or hit that
the people even expected. I don't think people expected the Roger ally to be
much of anything, and it seems to be doing really well. So why
would you win through this? Now there's I think a concern of what exactly
is this? Can you make a portable PlayStation five even in the next couple
years, is that even possible? If not, what kind of games are
going to play? What do you think? Sean? So, I think,
uh, first of all, I will I'm not trying to start any
drama here or anything. The person this report comes from has not a spotless
track record, I will say, so. I think maybe even if there
is some truth to this, maybe some details are a little bit off or
something like that, it would be an interesting move from PlayStation Either way,
though, I think that's the discussion point that we should have here, is
like what would this look like or how does it makes sense for them?
You you can't have a portable PS five at this point, that's just not
in the cards, but could have a lower skew as we you know from
Microsoft and you know the whole Xbox approach right now, with the Series X
and the Series S. So I think I think Sony is at the very
least probably keeping up on all this. And you know, Mark Serni and
everyone are they always are working with something over there, trying to figure out
the next thing for the PlayStation hardware. They're all all these companies are doing.
They're always working on the next thing. And even if something doesn't pan
out, maybe something like this is in development, you know. So I
don't definitely don't expect like full on PS five level graphics on the handheld anytime
soon like that or anything. But yeah, I think that lower skew is
possible. Sure. Yeah, And again that to your timeline seems pretty ambitious
just from my limited understanding of how capable you are building a portable placation five
And if you have to downskew it, well, then you can run into
problems with well, are certain games that run on a native places if I've
not gonna be able to run on this, right, So that's that could
be a problem. But you know, ten years from now, like this
is this is what consoles are going to be. I think I think there
might still be standalone ones like that only connect to a TV. I think
the portable and DOC format is going to become standard eventually, certain probably by
this point. Yeah, because it's basically working for everyone who's doing it actually
investing heavily into it. You know, there's side stuff like the Lenovo Legion
GO. I don't think it's going to be the biggest thing in the world
or anything like that anytime soon, but you know, the switch, the
Steam deck and these things are catching on, and I think we will reach
a point eventually where even something like PlayStation. This will now happen in Nintendo,
but even something like PlayStation will get hard wear agnostic enough that they are
like, yeah, you play your PlayStation stuff everywhere. Maybe stuff comes to
our big bad console first and that trickles down, including like the PC and
streaming and everything like that. But I think we will reach a point where
you can have your home console that is the you know, the powerhouse for
people who don't want to build a PC, and then you also have the
handheld that's somewhere, you know, for the more casual market that they can
plug into their TV and ever thing. I think what is more interesting for
me personally, at least, this is something me and Jeff I've talked about
elsewhere before. I think Xbox is even more poised to do something here that
is interesting because you know, people have been talking forever about the Series S
handheld. You know, just just take that chip, cram it down into
a handheld, You're good, Like, just slap a screen on that sucker.
That's never going to happen. That's literally impossible. They can't do that
because the Series S draws way too much power from the wall for that to
But you just slap a battery and a screen on a Series S, it
would last for like ten minutes. But the tech is there that they could
scale the chip down, you know, give it less oomph down clock,
what's all right there? Something like that, and that would essentially be a
third skew. Or we know from the FTC docs and everything like that they
are looking at moving into ARM chips, which again the short version of that
mobile chips, like they would be looking to move towards that. Basically,
you know, switch uses an ARM chip because a mobile device is basically a
tablet. I think computing is moving in that direction, as Apple has proven
with all their stuff has moved or to ARM just very beefy arm stuff.
I think if Microsoft's hanging in that direction, yeah, I could see them
do something like that as well, right, Yeah, I think that makes
sense. It's interesting with Microsoft because I mean, like the rack outllite is
in some sense already a portable Xbox, right because you can just get PC
game pass on there, and you know, all Microsoft's games come to PC
right away anyways, But why not, you know, have Microsoft or Xbox
make an Xbox branded one of those, you know, I think that would
just immediately sell better than anything but the switch. I think it also helped
them catch up a little bit in the hardware space. You know, Microsoft
had their recent financials and while their gaming revenue is up because of the act
division you know, buy out there, they're they're kind of struggling on the
console sales side right now. Now. On the other hand, we've we've
heard, you know, they say things like, you know, they're de
emphasizing the console space, so they want to make more consoles. But it's
also they want to meet players where they are. Well, there's a new
space you can meet them. Do you meet them on these existing devices or
do you make your own bespoke one exactly? And I think I mean we
also know, well, first of all, there have been rumblings about a
version of Windows that is more tailored towards handhelds. They've like worked on this
in like internal project jams or whatever you call that. But also they've done
stuff with how do I put this away everyone will understand cluing you basically desk
top two arm translation layer, so basically playing sized console games on an ARM
chip in the same way that you know, like steam Deck has Proton that
makes Windows games run on Linux. Basically they are working on stuff like that
that makes Desktop x eighty six applications run on arm mobile chips. So they're
moving in that direction from a Windows side of things, that will inevitably trickle
down to Xbox in some way, since you know the two are linked.
You know, the the Xbox is still basically a PC. It does run
a variant to Windows, So there's there's that there. Yeah. I think
I think the industry is moving in this direction. It's just a question of
how everyone approaches things. And like you were saying, and people are in
the chatter saying for right now, Microsoft is probably perfectly happy with you buying
a Windows handheld like the Roger ally playing your game pass games down there.
But then when they are ready, it wouldn't surprise me at all for them
to come in with their own thing as well. Yeah, I just wonder
if, like again, ten fifteen years from now, like every console is
just basically like a switch and it's you know, it's one of those things
where like again Nintendo, how the d pet first, and they did the
shoulder button, then the analog stick and rumble pack, and then they were
the first ones to have the doced console thing, and now that's just what
everybody does. Eventually it probably will be like that. But I don't think
the home console boxes are going away super soon for sure. And I'm not
sure if you know we're going to see the Placiation five portable in two years
or the Xbox Series portable in two years either, but maybe. Hey,
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thumbs up button. All right, Sean, we didn't get to participate in
the giant bomb state of play talk over somehow it's our chance to say what
we think because I mean, no, no, they all seem to we
uh into and in love with that Death Stranding two trailer officially called Death Stranding
two on the Beach. Look. I don't I don't want to be mister
party pooper over here, but it's starting to get a bit much for me,
Sean. It's all right, a bit much, you know what,
those who know me know. I try to be a positive guy. I
try to be nice to the best of my ability. I'm gonna let lose
for once. Coachma's head is so far up his own ass, and I
fucking hate it. I hate it so much. It drives me a little.
Everything about that trailer is just it's kind of pretend to me. It's
getting so close to just being like, loll that's so random, Like this
wacky character like has a guitar shooting laser beams, like you know what,
you know what, I'll give it up guitar, Like yeah, yeah,
exactly. I don't know. There's a part of me if I had Jeff
hered beyelling him because just like I love this so much, I don't even
like them stranding. There's there's never been a better week for Jeff to be
out and me and you do a podcast. This is correct. Some of
the chests said Kojima needs a no guy, and that's why I've been saying
for years now Kojima is best with an editor. Like the best games ever
made is still melt your solid one because it yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, they kept it on my leash like they didn't like let him go
like super crazy like he's going now they has like apparently blank check from Sony
for to do whatever he wants. So yes, and he's he's an amazing
writer who just desperately needs an editor. That's that's my opinion. Then he
have that he had that quote towards the end the broadcast, He's like,
I want to blur the lines or merge the lines between film and games.
Yeah, my eyes just about exploded out of my head. I rolled them
so hard. First off, why who cares? Second off, you did
that like twenty years ago already, what are you talking about? Like,
yeah, I have the quote here from the video. He announced a new
action espionage game in collaboration with Sony and Yeah Pictures. Yeah, it will
apparently be a movie in terms of look, story, theme, cast,
acting, fashion, and sound, and will transcend the barriers between film and
games. And I'm like, I feel like we just had Hillman stage saying
something like this, didn't we I mean, he's I mean, I don't
know how big a studio is, but he's making destri int into the Microsoft
game, which is like apparently gonna use the cloud or something. And yeah,
now this this either well, here's the question. It's either a Microsoft
game or it seems more likely it is actually a new IP. He could
be lying he's done that before they say saw something the effect of new IP.
Yeah, right, five was supposed to just be a new IP.
Also was a lie. Right, we'll see, which I'm not mad about
that. Whatever the marketing, so you know, we'll see what this is.
But yeah, look, I guess just something about Kajima with just I'm
tired of constantly showing up like and then it's I don't know, I get
this oppression like I'm supposed to applaud or something. And again, that is
one thing that Jeff said during the talkover that I whole hardly agreed to it,
but he was saying for kind of different reasons. Kojima's new projects are
always like the Emperor's new clothes, Like, what are you gonna do tell
him that he's being a ridiculous idiot. No, you're gonna be like,
oh, this is Kajima. He's the best game maker in the world.
We won't say yes to this. It's like, soone needs to say no.
Man, look, i'd be like, I'm sorry about being hard,
but nobody has gotten more flowers in terms of like a game devote sides from
maybe Shagaru Miamoto, no one's gotten more flowers than Kojima. So so it's
fine, Hey, look, I just it looks like a very proficient game.
There's definitely some of the wackiness I like. I like the weird low
frame rate puppet. It's the puppet is the absolutely coolest thing in the entire
trailer. It's like it's a weird idea, but it's like, you know
what, that's That's the kind of thing where I'm like, you gotta like
low frame rate puppet and they're fucking that's the kind of thing I get bored
with. I did prefer it when like you could at least pretend to explain
it all, even if the explanation is basically long nano machines, which isn't
great at least something that was always my thing with desth stranding and you know,
like, oh, just don't worry about just except you're not going to
know what's going on. I kind of want to know what's going on at
least, though, think I don't think I don't. I don't think Kojima
knows, Like I don't think he knows what's going on on his skin,
like I think, for real, I think he should just like see stuff
on like like the interim. I think he thinks it's cool and he doesn't
like dives deeper on it. He just has this like surface understanding of some
topic and then he just put it on the game and he's like, yeah,
it sounds cool, but I don't really know. I was just gonna
make this shit out, and she's like, you started writing, as he
goes, okay, not to just dunk on dust Rand here the last like
real thing, I have to say a buzz when we get to the gameplay.
As far as I can tell, it's gonna be more dust stranding,
it's gonna be holding forward an analog stick and then occasional okay, gun play
like I don't know, man like just to end all this, like,
you know, hooray for the people who are super into this, Like,
hey, y'all got your weird stuff, and I'm a proponent of weird stuff,
you know what. Let people do their thing in the game's space.
But this is just very much not for me, Mike and I just I
just can't get on board with Yeah, and there's I think overall, like
not the like go ahead. I think this is a good presentation, but
perhaps a lack of things that are kind of specifically my thing, I'll say,
sort of upfront. But a lot of good looking games. In fact,
I thought Team Ninja's Rise of Ronan actually looked better than I was expected
and more ambitious than I was expecting. Like you know, it definitely has
some of those souls like elements, but it seems to be a bit more
of an action adventure game, like you know, it has some Tsushima vibes,
but give us some like old school like older PS one Ninja games reminds
me a little bit of that so yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive,
and hey, teen Nija usually does a good job with these kinds of
games. Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm at the point where these
type of like you know, action adventurer games aren't doing a lot for me
right now. But I think the traversal and everything it did enough for me
where I'm like, okay, you know, I go from like get yeah
up into the air and then you can do the gliding and then you ride
a whole person earlier. Yeah, I think the movement looked good enough to
me that I'm like, all right, I'm intrigued. I'm interested, but
I'm not like running out to play Rise of Ron when it releases March twenty
second. I think that was new information. I'm not sure pretty soon until
Dawn is getting a remastered not something I played before, I know, I'm
not I'm in my big boy phase announce so maybe I'll check out the remaster
so I don't feel super drawn to it per se. Oh, Mike,
We've we've been talking about doing a group play through, Like, okay,
you'd be fun. You ought to be in on that. It is the
is such a good game for like, uh, it gives you just enough
time that like the person playing it can listen to like a committee that they're
playing with, and if everyone just quickly votes like you know nowhere yes,
and then like they make the decision days on that, it's a real fun
time with that. Uh. For a couple of halloweens in a row,
me and some friends did that where we did a couple of plays until dawn
like that. Yes, is this is this happening because they're making a like
a movie of this or like a show or just I mean, I think
maybe this more PlayStation stuff coming at PC. And if it's coming to PC,
why not bring it to PS five as well? Stellar Blade got a
deep dive. This is kind of this is from developers shift up. It's
kind of you know, they're going to make their own near automata right with
yeah, but Anetta, but Anetta rights. Yes, we are in the
post apocalyptic future, but we still have thigh cleavage, so don't worry everybody,
But china bones? What about vagina bones? Did it have it?
We don't know about the vagina bones. Duh. I mean, look,
it's it obviously looks like it looks like, you know, one of those
a lot, but it looks fun enough. It might have some good qualities
too. It just has to escape feeling super generic, right, It has
to somehow be more lies of p and less. I don't know what some
generic souls like nobody remembers, but you know what I mean, not that
this is the souls like l in terms of being something that seems derivative at
first glance, but still, you know, sure, pretty it looks competent.
Yeah, unlike a certain other game that's been recent right now, which
is just ripping off in our game, this is the definition of inspired by
something else. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of near automata
in there. There's a lot of Bonetta in there. Well, you know
what does more character action game? Screw it? Give him to me,
Like, I'm on board. I love this kind of stuff, you know,
Like I'm big into Bayonetta, DMC Melgia rises my fair games of all
time, Like, yeah, I'm talking about FOMP Fantasy sixteen. I'm I
am I the only person at a Giant Bomb who had that on my top
ten of the year. I might have been. I think I can't remember
if Dan ended up putting it on and I think he ended up not.
I think he ended up not. I think it may have been just you.
Uh. Capcoin had another trailer for Dragons Dogma Too is coming out March
twenty second. I think this game is looking fantastic. I am pretty excited
for Let's fucking go. Apparently people are excited for it. Uh yeah,
I download the first one. I still don't play yet because we've so much
to play right now, but I'm looking forward to it like this is a
normale. This is sort of in the same vein as like Riisler Ronan,
where I'm like, yeah, this is the kind of game I don't need
to get into right now, but if I get to an event, you
know, if I get killed for if I get on sale something like that,
I'll check it out, probably later in the year, because I think
it was gonna be for me. I'm not I'm not running to Dragon's Dogma
Too. But uh yeah, people seem to like they all seem to really
enjoy the first one, sort of a cult classic thing, and they like
what they see from Froose new one. Yeah, Sonic cross shadowed Generations,
so this is a remaster of Sonic Generations with new content featuring Shadow the Headshot
coming up this fall for basically all of the platforms Sonic Generations is I'm not
a giant fan of the boost era Sonic game Sean, but Generations is definitely
the best of them. Oh it's by far the best one. Yeah,
yeah, I like the whole It is no Soldier Trip obviously. Yeah,
I know you like Frontiers more right, probably ultimately, but there are highs
and Generations that are better for me. Like, yeah, the boost level
for say, Sky Sanctuary with that music playing is pretty incredible. Like the
way I play this is usually how I play, actually speaking Melgar, that
game where I do like a self imposed almost boss rush mode. But as
you mentioned on Twitter I saw the other day, Boss is not great in
Generation. Bosses were terrible in Generations. That was my final boss was awful.
How I usually play is I just I love the boost Sonic so much
that I just try I just do all the boost levels in a row,
since you know, I have a complete save file, so I'll just play
all those era I'm like, this is like twenty at thirty minutes. I
try to get good times out and everything. I just have a good time
like that. It is funny because I you know, I just said,
you know, I prefer Genesis Sonic to boost Arasonic, but in this game,
the boost levels definitely are more fun. Oh yeah, They're almost like
a treat after you finished, like the more traditional platforming of the Genesis Sonic.
Yeah. So yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I'm interested to
see what exactly this like little Shadow campaign looks like it. Yeah, that's
the fun That's the funny thing Like this kind of seems a little against Sega's
m o to like not just remaster game and bring it back, but to
add basically, well, it looks like a new whole campaign. I think
you kind of I think you might need to more for this one than for
Colors. Colors was a game that was never an HD before, so just
true, just enhancing it a bit was good enough. This is a game
you can still just buy on Steam. It's going to look pretty good.
That Yeah, that's the thing. I think, you know, you know
what, You're right, this game needed something special because and you know this,
showing up in a PlayStation presentation made sense because this is the platform the
benefits most. Because the PC version I mentioned still good. I still play
it all the time, and it's gotten backwards compatability boosts on Xbox, so
they don't really need it. So this is you know, PlayStation switch gamers.
Hey, this one's for you. Is it coming to switch? I
assumed it was it's coming to switch? Okay there Yeah, So a couple
Silent Hill things. First off, sound Hill the shortened message got shadow dropped
that day. This is kind of like a ninety minute experience, free,
free to download, kind of trying to recapture that PT magic. I haven't
tried it. It doesn't seem to be exactly blowing people away or anything like
that, but you know, it's I guess it's a nice, nice little
surprise. It's a weird one because the way to describe it is it's a
showcase of what the future could hold for Silent Hill. And I'm like,
what what the does that even mean? Yeah? Like related to the movie
somehow with that web show there was like it's like a like a thing.
Where was that? Yeah, yeah, I think it's still happening. I
don't. I don't know it's still happening or what it is. I I
know a horror streamer who uh it leans a little more into the campus of
horror. So that's why I like watching him. But like, yeah,
he's been fired up and like catching up. I was like, oh this
is bad. And I watched it, I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is bad. Holy cow. And then we also did get to see
like some real gameplay of the Silent Hill to remake. Sean, what did
you think of this? I have very little opinion of it. I'm like,
hey, it looks pretty good graphically, but I've just never been Silent
Hill kind of guy. Like I'm I think, you know, I'm not
a huge horror guy in general, but I've always been more into like the
ri e side of things, like well, sure you know I did play
Silent Hill too back in the day. So the Christians yelling at you like,
oh it looks terrible. I see a lot of people say that.
I thought it looked fine. I look like, I'm sorry, it's just
like, what is it? It's just it looks awful, Like that's not
Silent Hill. It looks I don't know, well, I'm like it's so
bad. I don't know. I'm not a fan. Maybe I'm not.
I die Yeah, well, people that die hard about Silent Hill. There
really are like it's like extreme. But even I like that, I'm not
that crazy. I was like, this is just this is a catastrophe.
What are they doing with this? Well? See I wasn't getting catastrophe viyeah,
I know. I mean you look compared to like what Capcom has been
able to do. Yeah, sure, it's not gonna make sure yet.
Hey, look, maybe if we're all hoping that the sound Hill two remakes
it be as good as like Resident Before remake, maybe we should give up
on that. But I don't know. Sound Hill two is a game that
people are so into, you know, and I get the complaints against blueber
Team, but I also kind of feel bad for them. I don't know
if they can win like they because if they deliver a seven out of ten
game or an eight out ten game, which shouldn't be the end of the
world, they're gonna get crucified for it. People are going to be fair.
Their track record is not good. And even I know someone and as
someone who doesn't play that kind of game, even I know that we got
a new look at Judas. This is Ken Levine's new game. Ken Levine,
the creator of BioShock first new game, in a very long time,
like twelve years. He's making a BioShock. Yeah, this is just BioShock,
right, Yeah, to a point that it's actually a little like And
I don't know why bothers me because I like BioShock, especially Shock one a
lot, but certainly probably like, man, we're not really too much different
here at all, huh. I watched the State of Play how I usually
do is, you know, I'll watch it like for work or whatnot,
and then I'll watch it with my normy friends, where like I sort of
skimmed through it and I'm like, oh, hey, here's a game announcement
you might want to see, Like, here's the trailer for it. I
for this one, I was like, you know what, let me try
this one. And I put it at the middle of the trailer. I'm
like, can anyone guess like what Maker is like the creative team behind this,
and they're like, that's BioShock, And I was like, hey see
even the normies can see, like, yeah, there's making a new BioShock.
That's what he wants to do. I mean, hey, why not.
You know, we haven't gotten an actual Bioshocks. Supposedly they're they're working
on it. I don't know who that. I don't know who. This
Sessy Blunt teenagers who I think is the villain. But yeah, it's something.
I just see a picture of her with a hat that says eyes shamed
Judas. Yeah, we're in an age where, you know, each of
bon Cosca is like having beef with the Vtube or anything can happen these games.
It'll be great. She was just a YouTuber. Actually, I think
I'd like that. Well, Hey, you know, I feel kind of
like I don't know why, like for some reason it was me the wrong
way. I bet on I'm playing this. I'm gonna be happy to have
a new BioShock S game. We'll see, or maybe coming you will continue
his downward spiral since BioShock, right, I mean, if it was not
as good as BioShock, and maybe this will be as good as Infinite I
don't know, it's been a very long time. Could we'll see. That
was a lot of the big stuff. There was surprisingly a couple of VR
games. Hey, David Dive was getting Godzilla content. There's another you know,
Hoyo verse. But that's the big stuff leus. There's anything else that
seck out to you or people want to talk about super Chat, we can.
But yeah, there were quite a few games there, so I did
enjoy the presentation. Over again, nothing that's like Super mikey Ash except for
maybe Dragon's dog Man. I guess I suppose oh by the way I looked
out by, I didn't put two and two together. Still, ever,
Blade is being made by the team that does NK. You know that.
Uh that mobile game just another moisturizer game. Girls shooting guns and you watch
their giggling butts. I've seen, I've seen gift of this. Yes,
I was like, oh, this explains a lot, now, okay,
okay, got it that this is one of those games that will be embarrassed
to play against in front of like like normies like I would have like special
Nick is in chat. They're saying, yeah, yes, yes, Dick.
You next did have pretty much the entire state of play ahead of times,
which a good thing is it allowed me to prepare covering it. Thank
you for that, Nick. All right, why don't we take a break
now, we'll come back. We'll read some super Chats and we then we
got a couple of games we gotta play. Sounds good, and we're back.
We're gonna start rding some super chats here. First one's from Afromed,
who says, is it just me? Or does Kojima only cast white actors
for his games? He knows other people exist on this planet, right,
Like I didn't. I haven't. I didn't play enough of Destrain. I
really have an opinion on this, Like I gotta take your word for it.
Up that seems white. There are a lot of white people in depth
stranding. Huh. Yeah, in a lot of his games. In general,
there there tends to be a lot of Uh. You have a lot
of people in third world countries with Jordan Peele so you know, hey,
maybe should I don't know. Uh, the Toro's not really I don't know.
I just don't want to touch this one too much. It's fine,
you know what. I don't have anything to operate, Yeah, Christian,
Christian, let me ask you. Christian? Is Hideo Cojima racist? He
has a black friend. He can't be racist, all right. Willow Davis
says Power World's nineteen million players, uh, selling Mega Man one point seven
million. I don't know why will Davis is trying to hurt me. I
don't know you personally, of always things that's a lot. That is a
lot of players. I mean some of them are playing on game Pass,
but a lot of them bought in. Those people are just rich now,
right, Like they're just filthy rich. You don't worry about Yeah, it's
a small team, so they're just as long as they play their cards,
right. Yeah, there's sad like I mean, granted, we'll see how
that trickles down. Like maybe it's one or two people are rich and the
rest are working eight praps. Who knows how that works. But yeah,
there's there's a lot of money going through that studio for sure. Ario Delgado
says, I've only known that puppet for one day and it's already my favorite
Kojima character game of the year twenty twenty five for me, it's coming up
twenty twenty five. A log, it's gonna be coming out twenty twenty five.
What did you think we didn't have a lot of first party Sony stuff
necessarily, or at least, you know, we had exclusives. Yeah,
basically seven Rebirth is getting its own state of play training, right, But
like in terms of like you know, where's the next sucker Punch game?
Right, or you know, something like that not nassarily much there. It
might be light at least on that side of things. This year, I
think I have plenty of games. But in terms of that kind of stuff,
I mean, I think people are just learning Triple A games are expensive
and take time. We're learning that here, we're learning that on the Xbox
front, we're learning that all even Nintendo. You know, Tears of the
Kingdom took freaking forever come out like that's just where we're at now. And
yeah, uh will Davis, oh excuse me, Connor wod said, send
in the kwands like you, Connor willo David say, Sean, put this
towards growing equal mustache. I actively shave every day because I'm sorry, that
just doesn't I would need to put. You have a little five o'clock shadow
on there right now, even it wants to come out, Sean, I
know, and I will not let it. Jeans, you're holding back lit
that baby rock. Come on, Yeah, yeah, I get the little
I get the little stash here and then gotcha everywhere else. No way,
no way. I keep saying I want to go stash only, and everybody
yells at me and says I'm not allowed to. I don't know. You're
very important to you. I think stashes are back and I'm going to rock
it at some point. You're just gonna have to deal with it when it
happens. Zoomer says, Sean's face is almost as attractive as his voice.
Uh, people don't tell me attractive, I am. Actually they do sometimes.
There you go. Oh, grug says, if you can only use
what was available at the time, get you by a player's guide for Mortal
Kombat mythologies, it's like fifteen to twenty dollars on any day. I'm sure
No, I'm sure Dan would definitely not like it. I mean to be
clear. Game facts also existed when Mortal Kombat mythology was that I was early.
I was using game facts in like ninety seven for games, definitely,
like I'm the game facts I wrote was for the game Boy camera, so
that was like ninety eight, Yes, right, I think ruled by the
way. That was actually a very fun little device. There are a lot
of games down there. Yeah, that's great. It's in some ways I'm
okay figuring it out, but there's definitely a point if I'm to tell me
what to do and he understands he could. Yeah, I will say I
did, genuinely look try. I tried to find the the there's a Brady
Games guide for that game. I did try to find a scan of it
so way we could give you like period accurate hints. But unfortunately that would
be pretty good. I would like to get one actually at some plate it
would be pretty I mean, look, without a guide or somebody told me,
there's just no way you would figure out how to survive that final food
an attack. That's the kind of thing where it would take you like weeks
of just trying every little thing, and you the patients. Yeah, it
would be dumb. Yeah. Mikey Leary says, I'm gonna get you that
Starfall Racers coaster. I'm gonna get you on that Starfall Racers Coaster EPI Universe.
Mike, this is a threat. No, you're not. I'm not
sure if I'm going on the Tron coaster, which is one based on a
movie I really liked, and two not nearly as big as the Starfall Racers
Coaster, which, if you don't know, is kind of a racing coaster
that's going to be in the center area of that new Universal Theme Park Orlando,
the one that is also going to have their Super Nintendo World. But
you can go ahead and try, Mikey And then jar Austin says, please
just give us a remaster song, but your one and two or Sonic Adventure
three. But I am very hyped for Sonic Cross Shadow generations. I mean,
Sonic one two did have remasters. They're on the GameCube. But I
know what you mean. At some point they should, they should repack those
games. I don't know. Those games could benefit from fool remakes in some
ways, but I think people kind of like the jankiness of those the weird
dude you do the character I know, the characters like talking over each other
because they're just playing like bought wave files like whenever they want to, because
it's poorly translated those words. Yeah, yeah, Sonics Sonic's mouth and eyebrows
and so one just being completely out of control, all stuff like that sonthing
with those two games. Eventually, and maybe even Heroes, maybe even shout
the Hedgehog here, what's that? Bring back Heroes the Best seven to nine
to ten. Ever, I do want to play it again at some point.
It's not like after this they're going to go to Sonic in the Lost
World or Sonic Forces, right, so they might have to go backward,
all right, my color shot. If they do an hoar one these what's
the next one? I think they would go back to sogovicre one. Actually
they're not going to they're not going to Lost World. They don't know the
remaster. They're going to go all the way back to Sogovic Your one.
H that's my that's my that's my shot. What's your shot? I actually
think I would be a Lost World just to give a second chance. I
guess, like my only my only thing. There's like lost with bet you
know what. Actually, I think would be before anything else. I think
they'll go back to Unleashed. I think they'll give Unleashed a remaster. People
have come around to Unleashed. I still think it's bad, but it's one
half of a good game. Unfortunately, that half is like ten percent of
the game, right, But I mean that game is using the engine that
Colors and Generations uses, so truly wouldn't be the hardest in the world.
That'll be next They'll do Unleashed. Yeah, that's right, right. Actually,
Burrito says, Hey, Mike, just want to say, let's motherfucking
go on your triumph over Level two in Mortal Kombat. Send in the coans.
Thank you, Brita. Everybody who's been watching that it has been It's
been a lot, but it's also been a lot of fun, so I
appreciate it. Layers has a question for Turbo Shan. What do you think
is the correct next booke on project that game for should do? And what
do you actually think they'll announce? I mean, game freak internal, I
wouldn't. I think next up are in some order? All right, Penny,
tell us what you think. I think a Legends game is in the
cards, Like Archias was received very well and performed well, and of course
they're working on Gen ten. We're gonna get Gen ten at some point.
Absolutely, I'm curious what's going on. There's Mike black and white. Something
is going to happen. They're gonna have to remake it, like of course
they're going to. It's not like you're gonna stop there, but any is
it? Yeah? I forget where I said this, but people haven't heard.
They are absolutely doing. Uh they're hinting at black and white stuff all
over the place, like it's in scarlet and violet dealc like you go to
Univa and stuff. Right, the card game is bringing back a bunch of
black and white mechanics and before the remix come out where they kind of bring
stuff stuff they're getting, you know, all the different parts of the IPA
converge on something. Again, it feels like black and white might be there.
There's also been a lot of like Gen two stuff and Gold and Silver's
twentieth fifth anniversaries coming. That's what I'm going to ask you, Like,
what about the Let's Play series? Is that going to come back? Well,
let's go kind of let's go excuse me, Let's go series? Is
that kind go? Yoto would be sick because yeah, let's go Pee,
Let's yeah, Let's go Pikachu and Evy. Those are good games, like
I actually really actually I can't probably might. I mean, let's just argue
like a lot. But I liked I liked Let's Go Pikachu and ev more
than I like Scarlet and Vice or Sordid Shield. To be honest, I
would say I like a moren sworn Shield, but like Scarlet and Violet.
Uh your ass performance aside. I'm not crazy. I know it runs like
but it's a fun game. But that's we need to move on from that
one, because I'm not gonna let that one down. Jerry says, did
Grub take the week off to avoid heavy to explain why I knew Ridge Racer
wasn't at state of play? Loo? Okay, we never We never knew
if it would be there or not. And Jeff is probably still deep in
his investigation. Let's be fair here, he has plenty of time to still
it would never have been as state of play because they're bringing back Ridge Racer
aid for Switch. It's gonna happen. They're just gonna resurrect that. God
if if I think there would act, I'd actually maybe the only thing I'd
be more excited about than the next three D Mario games is which you launch
title would be if it was a Ridge Racer, especially Ridge Racer as a
launch title that just always hits right because it did. That's what they like
to do either. Yeah, Oh, so sick got to be awesome.
All right, that's what the supertest are now. Thank you so much everybody
for sending those in. Really appreciate it. Let's uh, let's take another
break here. We're gonna get set up to do Closest to the Messy Pin.
Everybody. Oh yeah, and we're back. Sean gets the play Closest
to the Messy Pin today. Isn't that fun? Yeah? Not just hosting,
This should be fun. All right, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna
put you, put you not back into the mod hole, but into a
hole of some kind. Oh, we're great, give me wonderful. Anyways,
that's right, We're back once again, Everyone's favorite game show with the
podcast Closest to the Messy Pin. We have not our special guest edition,
as we tend to when one of the beef and chair boys is not around,
So we'll see what Benji Bop coaked up for us tonight. Mike the
rules. Quick reminder for everyone. Every round we will be given a certified
retro game that's ten years or older. We gotta predict it's Metacritic score on
Metacritic. We'll use a closest to the Penn scoring system, so the difference
between our guests and the correct answer will be accumulated at the end of every
round. At the end of the game, the lowest total score wins.
You know, golf pund golf rules. If we get it dead, on.
By the way, we will deduct five points from our total score.
And of course aj Minotti's favorite rule here, whoever is currently in the lead
has to go first to make it a little more competitive. It's fair,
all right, let me see, let me get my handy dandy. Where
the hell did I put it? Okay, I was gonna say, let
me get my handy dandy die to see who goes first. Mike, You're
going first? All right? Then I like it, So tell me what
you think. Tech In three on the PlayStation one April thirtieth, nineteen ninety
nine. Earlease, it's got fifteen quick reviews? Does it have on metcreik
dot com? That's interesting because I don't I don't know. I would hope
hi, It definitely seems it's definitely regarded as the best of the tech games
on the PlayStation, probably the best of the three D fighting games for the
PlayStation, probably just the best fighting game on the PlayStation. How many of
these reviews were, then, how many contemporaries? They should all be pretty
high. I can't imagine what the complaint for Teke and three would have even
been, But like, how high does it go? Because I know when
I'm like looking up, oh, the highest rat games of all time.
I don't see it on there necessarily. It's not like it's in like ninety
five. Even though people did that, I wouldn't think it was insane.
I guess I'll play a little safe and say ninety one. Maybe isn't that
same here? That's not I don't know, interesting interesting. Ah. God,
I hate that you say that, because my gut, my gut was
telling me from the get go ninety two. All right, so what are
gonna see. I'm kind of prices writing you a little bit here. Yeah,
but no, I think it's around there. This is very very well
regarded, a very good game. It is. Yeah. People were like
yeah at the time, they're like, this is the reason in the PlayStation
you know, like this was before like Soul Caliber became that game. This
was like, yeah, arcade experience at home and the rules. So let's
see tech In three on the PS one got ninety six. I was wrongly,
I'm not shocked you got Well, that's good for you. I mean,
guess should be. I'm trying to think, well, I guess won
the best PlayStation won the best rated PS one games. This is one of
the best rated like fighting games, if not the best outside of what maybe
soul caliber above it. Yeah, because they got a lot of tens back
and it makes sense. Like I said, like when this game came out
in ninety day eight, what exactly would you complain about? Is this game
really? Yeah? I mean it's like teching was alrighty kind of like class
leading, and this was just better than any of your freeze ones. Okay,
all right, next up, Bloody Roar four? What the hell?
For the PlayStation two? November eleventh, twenty three, twenty five crick reviews,
Shit, I'm in the lead, Okay, my gut tells me curveball,
and Mike, my gut tells me curveball. I'm not up on my
Bloody Roarer games. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I'm swinging for the backside
of the bleachers. I'm going with fifty Mike. Okay, So I think
that's too low. I had a Bloody War game for the GameCube. Wasn't
four? I think it was the third one, Okay, had like a
subtitle like Parminal Fury. I don't think Bloody for I don't think Bloody warfour
is great. It was probably Okay, I think it's probably more like a
seventy all are you painted? All right? I get that, okay,
but like this is gonna be that point where I look back at and I'm
like, yep, this is where I fucked up, all righty because I
don't really know, like, hey, maybe there was one that was that
terrible. I don't know. I didn't know there was a fourth one.
I thought there was three, So yeah, I have no ideas. So
all right, bloody roar four for the PS two is in that fifty nine
Wow broke BOP's calculator A game I was. I was nine off. I
was nine off. Man, Oh that's bad for me. I'm not not
terrible. Actually, not like I can't come back, but yeah, okay,
good job. Yeah, where we're actually decently yeah, because it kind
split the difference there, we're still relatively close. Mike has sixteen eighteen won
you did better than I did? Okay? All right? Game number three,
Arcana Heart released on the PS two April tenth, two thousand and eight,
twelve correct reviews. Mike, have you ever heard of Arcana Heart?
Is this an anime fighter? I feel like it's an anime fight of it?
I bet with a name why as fuck. It's crazy as fuck.
This game is crazy. Yeah, it's a crazy anime fighter. I don't
know what people would have thought of it back in the day. Is the
problem. I think people will regard the gameplay in these games, at least
those who enjoy it. This is gonna be the one where I actually say,
seventy I think it did good, not great, And I don't know.
I think it's somewhere in the seventies. I just don't know where something
going s. Yeah, I'm just gonna have to kind of, you know,
follow you here on this one. You you know, more about me
and be slightly more optimistic. I'll say it's seventy two. Seventy two,
very very optimistic there. This one could surprise me. This thing. That's
what worries me. I'm kind of curious here, all right. ARCANEA Hearts
the first to my knowledge, got seventy seven, all right, which means
that we are closer than ever. I'm still slightly in the Lee MICUs twenty
one and I have twenty. The fourth game is Aqua Pause a Aqua Plus
Dream Match for the PlayStation three. God Damn It Pop, released November nineteenth,
twenty thirty thirteen Quick reviews. Man, I hate picking round numbers,
but I'm just like, I think, what is the range? Even I
am not super familiar with Aquapasa sounds like three game. This is another anime
fighter. I know so little about this game. I'm gonna say there's no
way it did worse right. I don't think I'm almost meta gaming here.
I'm like, would Bob do that to us? U? I'm gonna say
a nice clean seventy five, Mike, I'm gonna say it even nicer and
cleaner sixty five. That's nicer. Huh, Yeah, you might be right.
I have no I this is the thing because like this is I mean,
granted twenty thirteen. We are in the web era with this, so
I think like people might have liked a little bit more. But I don't
know how much people. It has a scene. I know that much.
Okay, we'll see. I didn't know it has a scene, so that
might be bad for me. Let's exactly. That's my insry there. That's
yeah, he's not wrong. Everyone plays something a ACOL plus dream Match has
seventy five. Let's see, I'm going in a hole. Oh shit,
all right, going into the final game, Mike is thirty one and I
have fifteen. Game number five is Street Fighter crosstech and oh no Xbox three
sixty version here March six, twenty twelve. Forty five critic reviews, Okay,
now here's the point in the game where I start doing math, Mike.
It's gonna be pretty hard for me to make up sixteen points on this
one, because I think you're gonna you know the window, I know the
window. I know the window right, So I might just have to try
to win this one as a point of priztead of winning the whole game.
At this point, I don't know. I'm playing it safe and I'm gonna
go I'm once again doing Matt. I think seventy five is the play here,
because then plus or MIAs fifteen, I think I'm safe if I say
seventy five, Like I know, I need to go higher to like hope
to win. But I don't think there's any way it's an eighty five or
higher. It might be in the low eighties, like I honestly I think
it's probably in eighty two, but that's not gonna like you could you can
try to go for exact score here and maybe, yeah, I don't know
if that'll be enough, but not maybe I'll be slightly more optimistic than I
think. It's eighty two. Actually I want to guess eighty two. Hey
two, all right, see if you can get right on see all right,
Street fire Cross Tech in received eighty three. If I had done eighty
three like I almost did, that would have been. Let's see, so
I gain eight. I still definitely still not enough. You would have been
because we are closer. Alright, we're separated by nine. I win twenty
three to thirty two. Nice at the end there, of course, thank
you very much to Benji Bob for putting this together for us. Fantastic,
Thank you Bob that stuff. All Right, everybody, we'll take one more
quick break here, get set up to rank or pick the best guest fighters
ever. We got a very Fighting Game Central episode today. I like it.
Let's do it, all right, all right, we're back. We're
gonna talk about the best Fighting Game guest characters ever. Not a not an
entirely new phenomenon, but one that seems very prominent these days. And let's
go right here, Tifa for teching, Let's fucking go honestly, even I
want that so so badly. They have to. Yeah, they absolutely have.
She's perfect. Like play play Tifa in remakes. She has teching character.
She's a tech teching character already. Will you would you rather have Tifa
or some get cause guy on taken? What do you want more? Some?
What? Guy? It would like? Hell? Are you? Which
is? I should do both? They should just do both? But no,
get Tifaia more than anything. It's just has such a good fit for
tech in. But you know, yeah, I know that. I know
that the guest characters were a big part of tech and seven success. So
they were they were, But I don't know. Do you want I know?
I say that you've listed some ideas here? Yeah, okay, So
here here's how I thought we could do this, Mike. I have compiled
a list of it started with every fighting game guest character ever, and I
whittled it down to ones that I thought would be either funny or good to
talk about. So what I'm going to here, I think is I'm going
to rapid fire these. I'm just going to lightning around these, and you
just tell me if you think it has any chance of making it into our
top ten or did if if as a chance, we'll keep it and then
we talk about afterwards. But otherwise, if as your as whatsoever, we're
just gonna nu kid right away. Sound good, sounds good? Cool?
Okay, going down the line here from Fighter's history, Karanov, Jeff Grub's
not here. We don't have to give respect the Karanov like cool, I
included just for him, all right, Pepsi Man and fighting Vipers. Yes,
okay. Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention. I
forgot to mention. I imposed these restrictions for this list, but not for
the patrons, so patrons can get a little crazier. I impose the rule
of no characters that are from the rights holder of the game, So like
no Nintendo characters and Smash, and I straight away from even like hey,
hatching Soul Caliber or Megan Redistry, like what about like like uh Cloud in
er Geist, Like nothing like that. I have no Cloud in ra Guys.
That's a good example too. Yeah, Like if the community brings them
up, what we might talk about, or if one of us feel strongly
enough, we'll talk about. But generally speaking, I straight away from those
kids, you know, Okay, often a little lame anyways. So yeah,
yeah, so that's because I see you have Earth from Jim and Battle
Rito, which, no, it's funny that that happened. The Clay Fighter
one, I think might fall under that rule because that was just those people
they owned. Yeah, I actually don't remember if it was not. But
yeah, I have Earth worn Gym here in both Ballerinatotion and and Clay Fighter,
which I gotta be honest, I don't think we're good to talk about
him in either content. No, they're out of here. Okay, Tech
in three with Gone. I know people love Gone, but it's not because
like, oh my god, Gone is in Tecans. I think they think
of him as a teching character. I't I do this. Yeah, he
should just be a tech character. So probably not for this list. Uh.
Here's where things started to get interesting because we have many of the most
iconic one Lincoln Soul Caliber two absolutely okay, like this is what we're first
time you thinking about like guest characters like that. That blew my mind.
It was so cool. Spawn and Soul Caliber two. No fuck Spawn like
a million fighting games. At this point, I'll say not in Soul Caliber
two at least, no Mega Man ex and on and Musha Blade Warriors.
That is a Capcom character. But I thought it was interesting. Look,
it's cool that it happened. It's cool that happened. But and then Mega
Man Zero's at zero was also in that game, which I thought was interesting,
very interesting. But no, yeah, uh Fred Durst in Fight Club
the game. But let's let's let's leave that one up there for now.
Uh, Nicole four or five eight in Dead or a Live four. This
is the female Spartan that they put in for you know, Xbox represent the
female Spartan. Oh, it is kind of neat like this. Their life
can't be master Chief. It's got to be a sexy woman. Still,
it's got to be someone who's got boobs underneath. Yeah, let's say no,
no, okay, yeah, I'm not super throw the bar either.
But here once again Soul Caliber bringing the heat. Darth Vader and Soul Caliber
four. Yeah, and you know, so that same one has Yoda and
the Apprentice. Darth Vader was the one here that I thought was actually like
pretty sick. That was really cool. I think at least for the initial
round, we keep both Vader and Yoda but get rid of the apprentice.
I guess we could talk about it more, but yeah, we talk about
it more later. All right. It was are gained into Smash his guest
characters sign at the Hedgehog. Yeah, we definitely have to be talked about.
And Solid Snake. Oh that was actually announced even before Sonic, so
actually Smash Buyer's first guest character in some ways. So yeah, absolutely,
Kredos in Soul Caliber Broken Destiny or if you prefer Credos in MK nine,
the Broken Destiny was first. Yeah, but people know him from MK nine.
I think. Yeahs is almost like so well suited to fighting kings that
he's almost not that interesting as a guest character to me, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it could be talked about, but we can also
just get rid of it. Honestly, it's not gonna be a split the
difference in just get rid of the Soul caliberland please Freddy Krueger in MK nine,
that was that made a ton of sense. That's probably worth talking about.
I think that's like the Mortal Komback guest character that was really interesting.
So various versions of Dead or A Live five had different guest characters. Three
here from Virtue Fighter Akira Yuki Sarah Bryant and Jackie Bryant. I mean it's
neat. I like that, specifically having them from Virtual Fighter. Hope we
get Virtual Fighter characters in tech In. Honestly, sure, I don't know
if it's like the greatest ever. I don't think it needs to be talked
about. Okay, Uh, how about my Sheer and Nui from King of
Fighters in Debt or Alive. That's cool because that's a two D fighting game
character just being brought into a three D fighter, right, And let's be
real, myan Debtor Alive made all the sense in the world. Yes,
yeah, street Fighter Cross Tech and Cole McGrath from Infamous. No, man,
that's just man. That is so random. I really that happened in
the P three version. Yeah, that's not a street Fighter or a tech
in Nope. I guess that's why it's a guest character. But yeah.
They also had some PlayStation mascots, you know, the little cats from Japan
are in there in too, But yeah, trying to make a thing and
he's not. He's not a thing, all right. A variety of PlayStation
All Stars Battle Rayal, which maybe is a little gene because it's a lot
of party stuff in there. Most the most interesting ones would be the Big
Daddy from BioShock. Yeah, I mean that was cool. I think we
like so we have that, we have Dante, Hayachi, Rideing, and
Isaac. I don't really think we probably consider any of these because, like
you said, the whole game is all kind of has a ton of these
sort of thing. Yeah, none of these stand out. This is one
of those where it's like I also did include anything from like Bralhala because Brahala
is like all guest characters at this point, so it's like it's all almost
feels like playing Nintendo characters in Smash. It's a little Yeah, it doesn't
do anything for me. It doesn't do anything for you either, I take
it. No, it doesn't do much. I mean I like having them
in there. I just it was not necessarily all that special for that game
to have those characters, like of course it does. Uh. Soul Caliber
also bring the heat a little bit here with et CEO. It made Yeah,
and I don't know if it was like the craziest edition. I don't
think it's as exciting as some of these other Soul Cover ones. So don't
think we really need it. He probably just doesn't hang with the r Ones
if it was, doesn't hang with Darth Vader in the h No, definitely,
Okay, a variety of Smashed four characters. Here we have Mega Man,
Pac Man, Ryu, Bayonetta, and Cloud, and I think I
think pac Man might not make it, but the urists do even Yeah,
a whole lot of Bayonetta is kind of Nintendo, so that one's to me,
you know what character for Smash Brothers. But you know what, Yeah,
she at this point, she wasn't by this. We don't think we
think of her as a Nintendo character at this point, so yeah, I'll
take her off too, But I think Mega Man Cloud both deserve to.
I don't think I was ever more excited about a guest character announcement than Mega
Man. Right for me, Mortal Kombat X had the Quadrilogy of horror Icons
and Jason Vorhees, Predator, leather Face and the Xenomorph, and these are
all pretty good. Huh, these are all pretty good. I would say
the leather Face is probably the most boring one of the group. Yeah,
and I don't know if Texas Chase'm Mascer is quite as iconic as these other
franchises. To me, even though that's one actually did see as a teenager
with chexas has changed. I'm mask here. It traumatized me, but I
saw it, so I don't know if i'd really need to consider leather face.
But those other three, that's that's pretty yeah, yeah, we'll get
to it. But you can literally have Alien versus Prideer and mpx's that's what
I did. Include one from Rivals of Eighth because I thought was interesting enough.
Or from Warring in the Black Forest. Yeah, I thought that was
pretty cool that they had ri uh in that game. They're making a sequel.
I don't know if he's gonna make it back. I like it.
Maybe if he could, I think it's neat. I don't know if it's
gonna hang. All right, well, well we'll keep it for now,
okay. And Justice two had two interesting ones hell Boy and I think even
maybe even more interesting the teenage me and Ninja turtles as one character. Yeah,
that was pretty cool. You can changed like the turtle by changing their
like their outfit something like that. No, no, no, that's the
that's the neat thing. It's not even palace swaps. You you pick a
turtle, but then the other turtles are like moves. They come in and
out of the of the of the game, like it's right right. I
was complaining it with the thing that Marve will come about eleven where you can
change like the stuff it will change right place. I think these were both
fantastic kind of choice here. You know they are they are superheroes, right,
but like there was that kind of fit into the Injustice verse with right,
which is a little bit darker, especially you do that kind of darker
TM and T thing. I think they both stay all right cool uh Tech
and seven A few interesting ones here, a Kuma who is in the base,
Ross Geese Howard from S and K games, you know, Campfires,
Fail, Fear and whatnot, Knock this looses, Kyla my main from Foul
passy fifteen, a whild Pick there, and a Nagan from The Walking Dead
everyone but me Agan. God, Yeah, there's a lot of Yeah,
there's a wow factor to me again, but he's not I get it.
It was you know that series. But that's also that's like a guest character
that seemed to have aged badly to me, Like, yeah, who cares
character? Sorry? Man? So Caliber six bringing it again, first of
all, is a Garalter Gerald, I'm not Witcher guy, all right,
Yeah, Gerald, who is in the bass roster to B, which I
think is a very interesting choice from near was a DLC character, and also
how Maru from Samurai Showdown made it in Got and they're all these are pretty
I think to Be's definitely the best of those. I would almost say we
just get rid of Jerry right away. I don't think Carrol, Yeah,
yeah, you must fit in too well with so caliber. Yeah, because
there's like portally stuff going on that's kind of his thing. I think,
of course he's here. I think two B is the one who sticks around
on all these Yeah, I think so okay. Two Be also by like
coming to Grand Blue Fantasy verses, which makes so much sense. Yes,
but we have a crap ton of Smash Ultimate characters. So we got Simon
Belmont, Richteror Belmont, Ken Masters, Joker from Persona Hero from Dragon Quest,
Banjo and Kazui Terry Boguard, Steve from Freaking Minecraft, Sufferroth, Kazi
Yamishima, and the boy himself Sora from Kingdom Hearts. For me, the
three that hit pretty hard were Simon Belmont, Banjo, Kazuoi and Sora.
Interesting that you want to include me. There's always some good ones here.
But like, okay, so we say all the Belmonts, you would pick
Simon. Yeah, I mean there's a nice bonus. He's even kind of
presented as much. But Simon, especially in the Nintendo Fighting game series,
that mattered more to me. Olkay process of elimination. Yeah, Ken Masters,
nah Re is not hanging. Ken's not hanging. Hero. We don't
care about Hero, right, I like I like here. I like how
it's all a bunch of different versions of Hero and he actually plays really well.
It could hang. We coulick consider Hero. That'd probably my next one.
I would say, I just don't care about Hero at all. So
if you're at all, it's not gonna happen. We can just get rid
of now. It's cool Terry. I. I love that they put Terry
in because it's a deeper cut. But it's also like he's not the most
exciting one in the world kind of kenon Ryo, so probably not. And
everyone what Kazia not because Kazia is also like a band On Namco character.
It's almsos like you know, packed them well, so many teching characters show
up as guest characters in their games at this point that it's kind of lost
a little impact. It's still needs but but Joker and Steve both need to
be there at least for talking points like come on, okay, it turns
out how wow? It was? Sure? Yeah, like, we'll see
what happens when we get to our personal choices. But Steve literally broke Twitter.
I don't know if I need to for off though, Like I like
Cephrof and Smashed, but remember me, at the time, I go,
I don't know if I needed another Final Fantasy seven character. Yeah, tipically
I like cephro I play him a lot, but like, I think Cloud
is the more interesting addition because at the time it was like, holy shit,
they put a Final Fantasy character in. So yeah, all right,
so yeah, we'll do Simon, Joker, Banjo, Steven Sora r in
the running at least Mortal Kombat bringing the heat again. We got Spawn popping
up again, the Joker as in the DC villain Terminator T eight hundred,
Arnie himself, RoboCop, and then I doubled down here John Rambo as well.
Yeah, I mean Spawn. We all know how I feel about him.
This version of the Joker did very little for me. I didn't like
his look in this. Doing the whole kind of eighties action star thing like
that really speaks to me. I like all those. It sucks that the
Terminator we have in this is kind of the one from that newer movie at
the time, but it was still the Terminator. Yea, Roynold's face at
least, not his voiceposed face. At least Rambo looks great. I I
love the way Robo Cup books in this game. Actually, I love his
intros and everything. The fact that they you know, they got Peter can
now, but yeah, they got the guy to come in and do it.
I'm rebel cop. What do we talk about? So those three I
think are pretty cool. I think, yeah, Spawn doesn't even play that
well in here, so I think we get Rispawn. Yeah go have a
cool throwback for the people like him from back in the nineties and whatever.
Sure, I would even say John Rambo doesn't make it, because like,
yeah, he's I don't think he's quite as exciting as Terminator or RoboCop.
You know, I'd like Rambos Maybe that's a little bit for me, But
yeah, I mean there's tough competition here. It's it's not Terminator and RoboCop,
Like that's more exciting to see go fight each other. All right,
I'll I'll take him off. Then I wanted to add these just for representation,
Paul Rangers, Bell for the Grid, Got with You and Chun Lee
as the Crew and Hawk Ranger and the Blue Phoenix Ranger respectively. Yes,
they they they transformed them into power ranchers and they look so fucking cool,
like to the point that they should put this. Yeah, they should put
this outfits on the street Fire six like because they look so awesome, especially
Charlie. Charlie looks cool as fuck. Look, it's nice, but I
mean, I will leave see you. I haven't play this game. I
haven't seen these. Do you think, Sean, this is gonna have a
chance. I think they're very very cool, but I don't think they have
a chance. Yeah, the problem and I would I think one of them
might legitimately make like top twenty, but we I have said for top ten,
and I don't think they make top ten, So taking them off for
now. This is one for me. Biking from Guilty Gear was in Samurai's
Showdowns reboot I mean it's neat. I'm not gonna No, you're not gonna
get away that. I'm sorry. I mean I played guilty gear, but
who Yeah, it's I think that a like top toy but not top ten.
And then from Mortal Kombat one, Homelander, Omni Man, and peace
Maker modern like emirated superheroes. Yeah, I mean, look, I complained
when they announce these, and I get I get why do them. I
get why it's a good fish Mortal Combat, but all of these like modern,
gritty, subversive superhero TV show characters do nothing for me personally. Yeah.
Same, So I think we'll take those off for now. How about
before we actually get into like ranking, why don't we see what the community
has say first, in case there's anything we miss or anything like that.
Sure, sure, yeah, so let's do that. Let's see what if
they had any suggestions, or let's see what they're thinking of as we begin
to consider these cool I have it pulled up here. If I did this,
Rice should be framed up and everything perfect. Tell yeah, all right,
bench j C says Steve minecraft Steve, and to remember, right he
had a boner. Yeah, they asked, Yeah, they asked Phil what
he thought of about that, Q was like, oh, that must be
a mistake somebody. It's probably casual. Put the kool aid man and it's
something because I hope so that'd be amazing, maybe Moogan, But I don't
think an actual fighting came there. I saw a pretty good big Burden Mougan
once. I think about that all the time. I bet Michael O'Riley says,
al Link in Soul Caliber two. That's gonna be pretty high up there.
I'll tell you he's gonna be pretty high up. Joy Z says bad
Box our Mega Man from Straight Fire Across. It's cool. I did like
it. Now it is a little bit like just within the you know,
its own company. But still yeah, I remember, I remember people were
mad, like because the megam here is like, oh, they're treating him
like a joke. I was like, oh, just laugh, it's funny.
Come on, Yeah, it is a joke. But that's the thing,
Like, it's a joke, come on, come on, Like actual
Mega Man characters are in like Marvel versus Capcom and stuff like, yeah,
come on. But I think even even if we did like allow this,
you know, to counter our rules, I'm not sure he makes stop ten
probably not no Yah, Doom Milk Rossing has a Snake in the various Smash
game season Uh, mister, a huge deal. When we first got Snake,
by the way, I did freak out. I remember that that was
some of the first Internet videos ever watched were the like YouTube uploads, very
very early YouTube updos uploads. Maybe it even was like Smash Dojo stuff of
the Sonic and Snake revealed trailers for Brawl Like that was super high back then,
mister Bowler says, gone from Tech in three, Alex shouts out Darth
Vader and Yoda from Cel Caliber four. That's right, you could eventually get
both of them. So at first Vader was a p STR exclusive and Yoda
was the three sixtieth Yeah, yeah, I got it, and then star
Killer Yeah, and then Eden Rena's little pog Champ says cratives and I'm gonna
assume she means Mortal Kombat or made us a character in general. Uh low
rules, says Tifa in Tech and eight a fan render here we have which
happened not eligible tonight, but you know what, may somedays she'll be on
the list. GameCube Chris says RoboCop and m K eleven. Uh Jamie h
Christmas Eve says Snake and smash Beef Hammer says Hornet the dayto in a car
from see this, wol have been Fighters Mega Mix right, Oh, I
got I love Fighters Mega Mix. I mean Mega Mix is nothing but silly
characters. Almost. It's like all the Firture fighter and Fighting Laper characters.
Then just a bunch of bullshit. Now it's also Sega stuff. That's a
list still though, like this, this is the best of like that random
bullshit. All right, I tell you what, Mike, I tell you
what. If you wanted to, I would be on board for putting Hornet
on the list. Yeah. I think Hornet actually needs to be considered.
I think all right, well we'll talk about Hornet. It was incredible.
You you also got the fight as like AM two's logo. That game,
like that Palm Tree. Yeah, oh god, that game was wild.
I love it so much Fighters, Megan Mix, it was the best.
Uh. Nick Turbo, says Megan, which no, I do like watching
him play tech and bowling. Sure, I'm not sure exactly what's going on
here, but Villa Mack makes a joke about Seafoo Fighting game that was like,
yeah one or whatever. So dude from Seafoo, there you go.
Adam says Snake in Smash. Diego says Banjo and Kazui in Smash. That
was that was of all the Smash Ultimate Reveal trailers, that was the one
that actually got me the most, even more so than Soros. I don't
know why. It was like, I was like, this feels right that
Banjo's back, and like this Nintendo mashup thing is cool. I said Joker,
I say Joker. I'm I might argue for Joker. Well, we'll
see what. I don't want to be the guy I had a little bit
of a game is not even on switch probably, but that's why it was
cool, because that means get it, we'll get it, we'll to it.
Weizman says Earthworm Gym and this will been clay Fighter. Yeah, absolutely,
Chaos Buckeroo, I can't even be mad here. This is just a
picture of two b and soul Cawber. This is just in the game,
so I can't be Madt's right along, I'll always be clothing Slash Corgi says,
I guess this is Rambo and the Terminator, and I'm j eleven it's
cool to see like Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone, like facing off e chair like
that. Yeah, uh, this would be screaming man, says Earthworm Gym
in Ballerina Toshinden. I believe it's still so weird, like that makes no
sense, there's no logic to that. It's so wild. Yeah, I
don't know. But it's also like it's just whack. It's just whack.
Wong Gifts says Power Fabreeze in Mougan going up funny in an aquarium? Uh,
Shoji Coto says Pepsi man, And uh, well, what do I
say in Fighting Vipers? Yes? Yes, uh, Tech wall five says
Garfield in Nickelodeon. Whatever he called. He's a character in the Nickelodeon's guest
character. Yeah, had a licensed Garfield show, right, Yeah. I
think there's own Garfield now, the same way they own Turtles. I think
so. I think so. Tears of the Pall Boomer says Walluigi, which,
no, not, it will be mess up if he's not in the
next Smash Brothers. I think I forgot that you two are such rimpant.
Walligi haters Jesus, he's the worst. He's not even funny. Is he
better or worse than this guy? Yeah? Help me out here, Who
the hell is this? That will be Chris Bena. That's the one who
killed his family. Yeah no, uh, Leah says Joker and Smash,
which yes, I agree with. HAMMONDV Texas says the pres her In Mortal
Kombat X. I don't know what cran just to make basketball is going here
with Johnny Cage, maybe referencing Jean Claude van Dams. Is that not then?
I don't know which. Also, that is canonically Jean Claude van Dam
playing Johnny Cage in that universe, so technically not a guest character. GB
Kranz, says Yoda. In so Calber four, Alex says Fred Durst in
a wrestling game, I don't know which one is. Think that's a car.
I think that's a great wrestler, just in one of the first SmackDown
games. No, I think he just is in that one. People were
talking about it. I think he's in that fight club and fight Club.
Well I say fight club though, because I think it's a creator wrestler.
I don't know, though, I know it's someone research it for us,
but can't fighting. I'll say if we if we want to talk fred Durst,
it will be the Fight Club one because that's more of a traditional fighting
game. This one I found out when doing research. Clink has Barney the
Dinosaur altered slightly in some random game. That's terrifying, I think. Yeah.
The first uh, like when we had AOL as a kid and people
made flash games, the first flash games ever. We're all super special flash
no no label for this, Sean. It was just click on Barney,
pictures of Barney, and are you talking like that? I'm talking al in
like nineteen ninety four shots Okay, okay, okay, I'll just shoot Barney
and watch them because like you know, you're like ten now and like having
the slightest bit of edgy feelings about this cartoon or weird friendly dinosaurs, and
now you gotta shoot him in the head. Yeah. The power of man,
like my grandpa. By the way, by the way, mikey O'Leary,
who we know we trust in, Chad says. Fred Durst is featured
as a playable character in the w W SmackDown Just Bring It roster as part
of the extra Roster. Oh my god, that's insane to games. That's
for fred dirt Okay Mitsugi says Freddy Krueger in MK nine. Uh, this
is this is one I cut. Ezipsu says in the wee TMNT Fighting game
or whatever, it's made by Ubisoft, So the Rabbits are in it.
But look, it wouldn't count anyways, tighting, we won't count anyways.
So yeah, we're just good. I've been saying some Rabbits re evaluation that
I don't like, like I like the Rabbits. Actually no, no,
we don't. I'll get out here with that. No we don't. Isaac
Clark's seconds Hornet from Fighters Mega Mix, Lenny Cool Dick Denver Narshal for Gone
in what He's gone actually from It's just like a manga character, just like
a manga and anime character that they licensed, because Banday does someone licensing,
so they just you know, couldn't be that difficult for them to just license
him again to play him eight if they want to, right. Parata says
no, like, apparently it was just a one time thing and then Narven
all do it again. So yeah, apparently just no. Uh, Tree
Fitty Kong says RoboCop and m K eleven input name here, Jerry of the
River from Soulcalb six. Uh. You know, I'm gonna not do much
of that one because there's a flash warning on that one. J D Camp
says, uh was Hory Maru is his name? Something like? Japanese comedian
was in like X Men versus three Fighter, which are really one of those
things. Is it like that weird version Super Mario Brothers with those radio hosts.
Yeah, it's one of those types of things. YEA laser Wolf says,
knocked us in tech and seven, Big Tony says, and smash and
a bunch of people reacting to that. Matt Rare Monkey says, Toro and
Kuro in the PlayStation version of Street Far Across tech In. Again, those
are the PlayStation mascots in Japan at that time, Right, I did I
know them because they were in PlayStation All starts better? Right? Yeah?
Not eater. This is a creative character. This is a colonel. Might
not be because they they had a deal with KFC around this time. It
might be real. That might be real. They did the KFC thing going
on the Colonel Sanders dating game. That was real. I'm pretty sure this
one. Colonel Sanders had a match in WB is like a commercial. I
don't like to do that. It might be real. Yeah, yeah,
Zach says, is real, that's real. Wasn't okay, I'm still saying
no, but I don't like it. But it's not this. This I
know is a creator character d MC depressed me crying, says Reggie uh Hegantes
says Banjo Kazuli and Smash uh Nick says tripping in brawl. I think I
was only a guest doctor roger Man, says booger Man. In one of
the Clay Fighter games, they fire sixty three and a third. Is it
just always clay fire sixty three and the third? As I won't guest characters
anyways. And then Annuel last one up here says, I believe that this
character's name is it Blitz comp the blitz Tank. It is just blitz Tank.
Okay. I thought they went with the actual like Nazi reference or something
like that from Keyes. Yeah, but anyways, this was a character Blaze
cross by tag. So yeah, Blitz Tank. That's fine, wild straight
up a tank. Yeah, it's pretty good, pretty funny, all right.
Anyways, I think Hornet is the only one that we were pulling for
that right, I think a lot of those once we said, uh yeah,
I think we're gonna pull horn it from there for sure. That is
just too good. Okay, so let me consolidate the list a little bit
here. Yeah, I guess once I kind of want to do, especially
if series I'd have multiple entries, is maybe figure out which one is our
favorite from those. That's a good idea. Maybe maybe some series would have
more than one. I don't know, but I'd be surprised. I'd be
surprised that that was the case. So as you're doing that for so caliber,
Link definitely hit the hardest for me. I think that was kind of
almost just shocking that Link was just in a fighting game, and in this
really good fighting game, they did a really cool job translating his move set,
giving up things like that downwards sword thrust from Zoda two. He had
like the boomerang, the bow and arrows and the bombs. You know,
in a series that did not have many range attacks, you had that really
cool stage with the incredible orchestrated Zoda music, something we had not heard much
of in actual Zoda games yet at that point. It just was really cool
and I like that, you know, like they made him look a bit
more realistic so they fit in a little bit so car, but it also
just looked like Link still right. It was just clearly the adult link from
Ocarina of Time. Definitely, you know, like the whole gimmick with the
multi platform release of Soul Caver two was having a different guest character for each
one, and it kind of fell apart from PlayStation two and they were stuck
with just Hayachi, which wasn't all that exciting. Xbox Dot Spawn cares Link
much cooler than all of those, definitely, if not that, then probably
one of the Star Wars ones. And to me, I thought Darth Vader
was was cooler than Yoda, just because you know, I'm a I'm an
old person, so I find Yoda's flippy dippy lightsaber stuff a little maybe not
cringe but I rollly, I suppose. But Darth Vader, I think they
did kind of translate his like really powerful lightsaber stance. I love that his
one throw in Soul Caliber for is literally like the throw he does in Return
of the Jedi when he just picks up the Emperor and throws him, you
know, kind of off that bridge when you get a ring out with that.
That is satisfying as hell. Is love that? Okay? Yeah,
all right, so yeah, yeah we here, we have a condensed list,
and I do think based on the way it looks that we are going
to have multiple characters from the same series. And boy, we picked a
lot of soul caliber smash and I'm k didn't we? Yeah, yeah,
so I think link's a lock. He links a lot too. Where do
you think all this list? He goes. I would I could put him
at number one for now, to be honest, yeah, I think I
think that can be debated. But I think could be debated. But can
he can sit there for now? I agree with that. I would probably
also do Vader. I think some people like Yoda more. I like Vader
more than Yoda. Yoda was all Yoda sucked. Yoda was like played,
Yeah you played Yoda, you were annoying. So he was annoying as all
hell. It was like a job and golden and eye. Right, Yeah,
yeah, my got ja. Man, I want to put dar Vader
like the bombless renounce if you gets squeezed out or I think out of all
the other soul caliber ones, yeah, I would be Vader as cool as
I think to be was Yeah, I think he's gonna be even better fit
in grind Blue than in Soul Caliber. Yeah, and uh, special Nick,
our buddy in the chat says one that I I left off for our
for by reasoning at least for maining this list. But if there's room,
I might rescooze this one on. Uh, some of the Killer Instinct characters,
there was Rash, General Rahm and Arbiter, and out of all those,
I would put a Rash on the list. And we're looking, I
think, looking at this now, Yeah, looking at this now, seeing
how much like Smash and moral comment stuff there is, I'm like, if
we want diverse viola, a little bit Rash is a real should be considered.
I thought that was That was definitely one of those I thought was the
most interesting. There was a bit of a meta character for a while too.
It was like a deeper pool than just like doing some Halo character something
from Gears of War, right, because like Killer Instinct isn't it isn't a
Smash Brothers thing, no, but like it is a Microsoft owned character,
which is why I was like, but here are eleven spot for problem the
battle toes for the people who don't know who Rash is. Yes, yes,
yes, If you didn't know Rash, Pimple, and zit's off the
top of your head, I feel bad for you. Ratch is also my
main so don't worry. I definitely know res in that game. I'm sorry,
just going down the list here, and I think I don't know,
like we we gotta started like knocking off selling Smash characters. I think,
who is your favorite of all the Smash or like the one you think was
the best guess character, those are two different questions. Yeah, I guess
here's where I'm kind of thinking. Like to me, saw a Snake maybe
as a start, just because that was the first one and it was so
surprising. Uh. And then in a personal way, of course, I
love Mega Man in there. I thought that was, you know, really
cool, but that's kind of a personal thing. And then I thought Benjo,
Kazui and Sore were the like most hype ones, if that makes sense.
I think Joker is both my personal one and also like Joker was the
one that sort of broke everyone because, like I mentioned earlier, he didn't
have his mainline game on Switch at the time, so that just told us
anything goes like, and that's what was like super hype is because everyone saw,
you know, they were doing a trailer for like a Persona something at
Nintendo Director Is Game Awards. We saw Persona Sion. We're like, oh
cool, you know it's gonna be a port to the switch or something like
that, and then Joker turns the envelope around us to Smash Invite. I
was like, holy freaking less surprising. Yeah, like it. Wolf mentions
in the chat that like Cloud was basically that for Smash four as well,
But I don't know, like Cloud, I think Cloud was less surprising than
Joker in some way. Yeah, I just think he's less surprising to be
his final fantasy does have a association with Sintendo, and just yeah, Persona
just doesn't outside like Persona Q. At that point on three D's so,
I, okay, let's put this. I don't think Simon's making it.
No, Simon's not gonna make it. I don't think Steve's gonna make it.
Uh, it's cute, but just the kind of look, I'm just
gonna say, I just don't like it. I'm sorry, I know,
I mean I don't like it either, And I think, yeah, this
is a personal list. So yeah, we're knocking Steve off just you know,
shout outs to like how we broke the Internet, for sure. And
it's funny because at the Hedgehog, I know that was a big deal.
I hate the way Sonic plays and Smash Printley is. I think he's boring
as shit and smash uh. I'll give you a I'll give you a different
perspective on that. I will say I think Sonic wasn't actually that exciting even
back then because of how Buddy Buddy Second Nintendo were starting to get. It
wasn't very surprising. It was still like, you know, of course I
was gonna be one of the first guest characters, but it's like that modern
Sonic and you know, and again I don't like the way he looks.
I think we can not worry about Sonic. Yeah, like he he sort
of set the stage for more characters in a way that I think Saw Snake
maybe didn't. And I know it's weird because like Saw Snake was the transsetter,
but like, yeah, I don't know, right Saw Snake seem because
again that that came way more out of left field and was way more exciting
to me. Better stage in that game too, the metal gear stage than
the sea. Yeah, Moses, Yeah, I don't think makes it.
He's not gonna make it. Na cool. What about these Injustice characters,
hell Boy and Tim and T. Hell Boy's cool, it seems like T
and T was a bit more involved. Yeah, neither one of them makes
it for me. They're both cool, but yeah, I don't have a
fandy for either. Okay, I don't think they broke the internet necessarily.
Fos doesn't, Credos doesn't do it for me. But Freddy Krueger is interesting
because that's that's like the first of this wave of just really well picked Motal
Kombat guest characters. Yeah, okay, maybe we may, yeah, maybe
we will this out. Okay, we have four horror characters in Mortal Kombat
games, Frey Krueger, Jason, Predator, Alien, Yeah, the Xeno
morphs, those are all very good to me. And again, Freddy's first,
the first matters a bit in this content. The thing is he's not
good, or at least he's not fun. So that is what immediately makes
the four Alien. Well, I love Alien. We could just do that
because this is xenomorphos so cool. Yeah, it's definitely either Alien or Jason,
like as cool as Predator is for like having Alien versus Predator. Yeah,
I would say the Alien is the one that I would put up here.
And then I like it if we wanted to we go back to Jason,
but I think for now that's probably good for the horror stuff. You're
gonna let me get RoboCop in there. I will let you get RoboCop over
Terminator. I'll say that. Yeah. I know some people don't necessarily love
robocops kind of keep away antics, right or like it's you know, gun
and all that. But he looks so sick this game. It's cool.
He felt like a pretty good fit for what they were going for. Yeah,
I think we just take Terminator off right away at least. All right,
let's get to this Tech and seven stuff. I think Geese doesn't hang.
It's really cool. And again I love taking this traditionally two D character
and putting him in a three D fighting game. And also Akuma did it
first. Akuma did it first, and that I think was the one that
really got people super excited about texting. They sold the game on a Kuma
like Techan was in Dire Straits after tek in six underperformed Tech and Tag two
abysmal. People are like teching is over. Then they put a Kuma in
Tech and we're like, everyone's fucking the techan now because they want to play.
We want to check out Kuma. He's in the story and everything.
This is gonna be sick. It's like there's something about Geese that's like four
Fighting Game fans that I do like that. But sure, mack, this
is interest because like putting that character in there, like whatever, They did
a really good job of giving him a cool move set in Tech. Yeah,
to the point that he somewhat translates to Tech and eight with uh victory.
They basically made a new character for Tech and eight. They like kind
of have noted this as moves without having knock this there anymore. In that
characters sick, so it's funny, how like yeah, like like oh,
the main character from Final Fantasy fifteen, who really cares, but they made
him pretty sick. Actually, Oh no, let me see, we're starting
run out of spots. We got we're halfway. We got five more that
are open, and the more our rash might make it in and our locks
narrowing it. Our locks are link a Kuma RoboCop see the more dark fit.
I think Rash should be in there. I think I should be in
the list. I'll just say it. I think so. Yeah, well,
well we'll see where where we put them. But yeah, you know
what scre it I'm putting there. Let's go. You know who else I
think should be on the list. Then I'll shut up for a little bit.
I think the Hornet should be there. I love that fucking car from
my Megavis. This is why anybody remembers this game aside from me. It's
because of the hornet. Mike. Yeah, it's absolutely going on the list.
I want it's so dumb ale of it all right, let's be real,
Fred Durst, we get rid of this, dude. It is not
about the heat said she said, bullshit. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's
sorry PEPSI man, but uh we actually had a better joke character with you
know what, Yeah for that type of game. Yeah, I think I
think actually moved your list of I'm trying. I'm trying to find where I'm
happy for. I think it was right there there you go. All right?
Cool? Uh? What do you think about my in a Dead or
a Life five? God, there's never been a better fit for it.
It's a really good fit. It's a really good fit. But I'm also
like, we have zero smash characters on here, and we could just fill
the restless up with smash characters. So it's hard. It's hard, yeah,
because there's a lot of smash characters on there, and I mean we
could just both pick one smash character at least and then oh yeah, let's
just pick one smash character that everything needs to be in there? You first,
me? Yeah, if I think, okay, out of all of
them, do we both agree that Snake should be in there? Yeah,
okay, how well, let's do that first. Let's put Snake just needs
to be in there. Let's talk about it. Then the problem is,
like you would want Joker personally, and I would want Megan Man personally.
That's a problem. We got too slot, We got too slots right now,
So why don't we do that right now? And then kind of see
how we feel, like, is there anything like I don't feel bad that
Jason Voyes doesn't make it. I don't feel bad that to B doesn't make
it. I feel kind of bad in mind doesn't make it. I feel
I feel a little bad bagic doing sword don't make it, but gosh,
it's a lot of Smash Bros. Characters already obviously Smash Bros. Little surprise
that you're not fighting for Sora here. Actually, I think it's really neat.
I don't know, because he's it's also like a nightmare like it's kind
of impressive, but it's also like the twentieth guest character in the game at
that point, you know, true, true, it's there a point.
Maybe we did it. That's great. I'm thinking, Okay, so are
you saying that Mega mans a lock Mega Man needs to be up here?
I? Yeah, I want Mega That's that's my that is my signature on
this list of the fact that Mega Man's on it. He is so well
realized that I wouldn't fight that. I that's the best Mega Man has actually
ever looked, especially outside of like the pixelar games. That Mega Man model
is perfect. That's how Mega Man. Yeah, it really is. He
like animates how you expect men, even more than like Megan eleven. I
would say, yeah, see looks wait like megne eleven is look bad.
But I like this character model way more. A lot of Megma games kind
of make Megan Man like Slender and I don't know, like I like this
kind of chunkier Mega Man a lot more. All I think that. I
think that's it. I think that's our ten. We just had to order
these, We just got ordered these. Then okay, that's interesting. Do
we want to put the hmmmmmmm? What would be like ten? Is my
question? Is it? I think out of all these RoboCop takes ten,
I think you're right rubber Cops honestly the one that yeah, like, maybe
I was thinking about swapping out for something else. I think that's fair.
Do you do you still want RoboCop on the list? No, and I
don't. I kind of feel bad about it now. I like RoboCop.
Maybe this doesn't play well enough, and I feel bad about not having Meyers
or Sora on there. I think out of any of these, Mayer Sora
would make the list, and it feels weird. I would say SOA.
I know, I feel bad, like, oh, another smash character,
but it does seem a little silly you don't not have Sora on there.
To be honest, that is a big deal. It is a big deal.
I'll let you make the call. Would make the top fifteen lest No,
one would stop us. I mean we could make a top fifteen.
What would stop us? Okay, what if you know, just hypothetically,
I just add some numbers down here and then like, yeah, I put
claud Strife at the bottom of the list list I like all of them.
Out of all of them, I'd put Colud Strift, Costrip's been another fightings
even though it was or guys, I don't know, it's cool, but
it's not like the craziest thing in the world to me. Okay, so
let's do that, and then maybe Nactics would be fourteen like and really cool
moveset not exactly the super cool character. I think you're right, Yeah,
Nactus at fourteen it's gonna look a little jank here for a second'm just doing
the overall order. Who would be above Nactus? I also think it would
be Banjo? I would I would put I do like Banjo. I I'm
trying to think. I mean, I put Banjo above Joker, but that
I don't. I think split we wouldn't feel that way. I put I
put. I put Banjo above RoboCop. Okay, I would too. Do
you think RoboCop makes it all the way down? I think maybe thirteen okay,
and then my actually maybe seems right there? Yeah yeah, just the
surprise factor of banjo, like let me, let me reorder this a little
bit. So yeah, it would be like this for like the lower five.
I think that looks right right now? Yeah? Do you want to
fifte or just want to delete those spot of five now? I guess it's
fucking we made top fifteen. I'll give a shit, Yeah fifteen, screw
it. I think the top ten need to be reordered a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still like link at number one a lot.
I'll be honest. I still like Link at number one as well.
Yeah, but would I kind of like working bottom up for some reason that
makes it easier. Yeah, you know, I think you're right. I
think you're right, So we can I mean, would you do? I
feel like it isn't there Smash Brothers character honestly at or we were thinking about
ten right now? Right? Yeah, and honestly not like even though I
like put Mega Man on here before Sora in some ways, Or is like
a better guest character than Mega Man. I would agree with that. Yeah,
so maybe Mega it could be ten. Okay, I like that.
Then maybe then we have rash. Yeah, yeah, that feels right.
Yeah, so I think ranks if we're playing them all as I actually think
he ranks fairly highly. Yeah yeah, I would maybe play its. Is
this where you put Joker now or Alien? I think Baby? I pick
Baby Alien above Joker. I would definitely that's the one I would fight for.
Is Joker being higher? I don't Well, I still want to put
Alien quite yeah, yeah, I don't know if I put it over Darth
Vader or it's getting kind of rough. It's getting kind of hard in here.
Uh yeah, I know. And I don't want to put horn it
either. To be honest, what I mean you pull Hornet over Joker?
That's sad? What about what about a Kuma? How high is a Kuma
going? Cuma goes pretty high, goes pretty high. We're running out of
high spots here. I'm not I wouldn't fight for goes high. Okay,
let's try working the other way then. Link number one? What's number two?
It's not joking, to be clear, I think it is Snake.
I think it is. I think stake. Maybe is number two. I
think that's a big deal. All right, what's the number three? The
hornet? I'm not gonna have horne at number three. Okay, I'll tell
you personal level, Joker would be at three. But if we're like splitting
the if we're splitting the difference here, I think it would be like maybe
even a Kuma or Kuma's number three. Yeah, I think that's good,
Like a Kumat three. Yeah, that's like iconic modern. Yeah. Are
you gonna let me put Hornet above Joker? Oh? You know what,
I think after Kuma should be Sora. I think I think that feels right.
I think that feels right. Man, you're starting to warm up to
Sora now that I got them. I think you want them to listen,
my guy, you know what? All right? I think then Alien actually
goes low at eight. There's a part of me, there's a parting wants
to put above Darth Vader, just it's such a good fit for Mortal Kombat.
So cover already is It's just that Darth Vader kind of like sold some
copies of the game. Yeah, he did, he did, all right,
Where are we putting more than into here to get six, seven or
eight? I suppose I'll be awesome, Mike, Yeah, okay, like
we did that. I'm okay with this list. I like it, like
I'm trying to make sure, like, was there somebody more interesting that we
deleted for fifteen that we would put above Cloud Strife. Now it's Mike.
Perhaps you don't think there's anything interesting enough that I would put them above Cloud?
Yeah, I mean Cloud because Cloud was again kind of the Joker effect
for the Smash four era. Yeah, okay, all right here, let
me read it off. Let me read it off and we'll see we feel
okay. So number fifteen is Cloud Strife and Smash four. Number fourteen is
Knactus in Tech and seven. Number thirteen is RoboCop and MK eleven. Number
twelve is my Sheer Newie and Dead or a Live five and six. Number
eleven is Banjo Kazui in Smash Ultimate. Number ten Mega Man and Smash four.
Number nine Rash and Killer Instinct twenty thirteen. Number eight is the Zenomorph
in Mortal Kombat X. Seven is Darth Vader in Soul. Caliber four six
is the Hornet the Daytona Car in Fighters Mega Mix, and then your top
five we have Joker in Smash Ultimate. Fourth is Sora in Smash Ultimate.
Three is a Kuma in Tech and seven two is Solid Snake in Smash Brothers,
Brawl and number one, still Link and Soul Caliber two. I think
that's good. What do you think? I know what I want? Wait?
What's up? We already have RoboCop number one? Yeah over Cloud.
No, that's good. I mean I think maybe maybe to be you know
what? You know what? Yeah, I still I would still say Cloud,
but I would also swap out. I said, we have to be
well, I think I still we kiss a little ass. Okay, all
right, you know what, let me see do I head? And I
have to write this one to write for the perverts, for the perverts.
Soul Caliber six to Be just barely makes the top fifteen. There you go,
we're getting up. You think we're gonna still cover seven like sooner rather
than later. Now Soul Calber is dead. You're never getting another one.
I don't believe. I'm not exaggerating. Yeah it happened. Guy left because
Soul Calver six bomb. None of y'all body y'all say you want Soul Calbert,
No one want, and he want a good Caliver talk. I literally
said, ask me in ten years, you're not getting so you can wait?
All right? All right, there we got everyone that that's our top
fifteen, I read off to you, except we're swapping to B for the
bomb spot there where apparently too. B's bomb is all we talk about.
Hey, people, that's cute. Hey, that's fantastic. Let's take a
break. We're gonna come back and finish up the show. So with the
supertest and what we've been playing, which I think will be a lot of
tech In, so we'll be right back everybody. All right, We're back,
Sean. I've been playing pretty much as much tech In eight as I
can, which isn't always as much as I want to. But I am
always having a good time when I am playing that game. Just a good
ass game, man, some good ass tech In right there. I love
that game. I mean, we've been able to play some some sets betweet
each other and it is super fun. I mean, the sense I'm getting
is that people are actually pretty surprised that the online play is working as well
as it does. Is that your impression. It's better than we expected from
Bandai Namco. It's still not perfect. It's still a little jink. Because
I like you were asking me about this there day. I think I said,
like, when you have a good connection, it works very very well.
The problem with it is on like some one like three Fi six or
guilty gear Strive, which can handle really shoddy connections as well, including Wi
Fi, like Justin Wong has a story of he was playing on airport Wi
Fi as laptop three Fi six totally fine. Tacking eight does not handle interruptions
very well. So if Wi Fi matches are always a coin flip, if
something happens with ther opponent's connections, something can get iffy. But if you
have a good wired connection person to person, yeah, it actually plays pretty
well. So you know what, that's better than we're expecting a tech Yeah,
so I guess I'll take it, like I feel like that's that's the
testing on a good net code, when it's like when he how does he
handle the bad connection? Like we should we should like judge it in that
sense. But it's also like we come from tick and seven, which Noko
was like the worst no code ever, So I guess we can give it
a pass this time. I hope they get better with it, like I
hope they update it, and that's like that's gonna be like that. But
yeah, even then, there's also a ton of single player content that story
mode is phenomenal. It's there's a lot of just content here. There's a
lot of content, right, I mean you have that full story mode Arcade
Quest. There's a lot of fun and great tutorial all the anyone who's getting
started attacking eight play Arcade Quest. It's a very good That's the first thing
you should do, absolutely first thing. They don't advertise as a tutorial,
but it is. It is, And you get to pick the character you
want to use for that, which is really really really really neat, right.
Yeah, But I've been just having fun, like picking my one character,
which has been Rain, and like really learning that character. And there's
so much to learn, right, Like I'm having front fun right away,
but I'm still like really zeroing in and arning new abilities, learning like which
what I should do it kind of most importantly learning the other characters, like
when they're combo strings and when I can punish them. Not that I'm good
at doing that, but I'm getting an idea of when I maybe should be
doing it. I do wonder a little bit, how because I have been
seeing like new players are they're getting beat up, which always happens with fighting
games. It's kind of especially happen with a legacy fighter like tech and eight,
though you almost feel bad for people who are super new to tech It
or fighting games just going into those online lobbies. Right now, I'm getting
juggled and like nine ten sturing combos. That's me. I'm a fighting game
guy. I'm not much of at teching guys. I'm definitely that's all of
us, but hey, having fun doing that at least, you know,
so. Yeah. I think a lot of us are becoming teching guys though,
because now that we can actually play online a thing as a good tutorial,
which by the way, teching never had a tutorial before. It has
some really interesting You can record matches and it'll actually kind of tell you what
you did wrong, like somehow. Yeah, you can take over Yeah,
when you're watching the replay, you can take over and take over character.
Yeah, take over the replay and like try to punish or like, yeah,
like different options to see what you can do. It's pretty pretty cool,
I think. Importantly, it's also a fun game to watch other people
play like. I have been enjoying watching some other people's streams and videos just
watching people play like. I'm very excited for EVO and other finding tournaments to
see what this looks like with high level competition. Oh yeah, I can't
wait. I'm getting read for a Como Breaker in a few months here.
I can't wait to see what the high level play looks like at that.
It's gonna be great. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be great. So,
I mean, do you think is this kind of your game for a
while? Do you see yourself just going back to Street Fighter six in a
bit or eventually? Here? You want to stick with Technic FIRS time,
me and my friends we get together once a week, we get a discord
call and we play where we're playing at the time. For a long time,
it's just been three Far six. We do at least an hour of
the night. I think Tech and eight we're gonna try to get proficient at
and then we're probably gonna start like on the rotation again, is what's gonna
be? I think that sounds right. Yeah, I mean for me,
I think shot Fire six. I kind of keep waiting for them to ed
a character that I want to go and try, and none of the season
one characters have been doing it for me, and yeah, yeah, like
then they're very far. Yeah, there aren't many of them. They're a
bit slow, that's fine. They're also like ads next. I don't know
how you're excited about we're looking forward to but yeah fine, but like,
look, I don't mean to be like that guy, Like, how how
do we not have a third straight character yet? Or even a final fight
character? Give me a hag Arch. I'll even take a Cody at this
point, I don't care. Yeah, yeah, uh so, and you
know tech in we know their first uh DLC character is uh that's exciting,
and I'm sure we're going to be hearing about guest characters for that pretty soon.
Yeah. Yeah, it's It's been a kind of fun. And like
again, I'm almost bummed that I have all so many other games to play
right now, because I would be pretty happy just playing Tech and Hate for
a while. Yeah. I've been trying. I've been trying to juggle stuff,
Mike. I picked up Infinite Wealth for a little bit just so I
could like be able to talk about if necessary. I will say that game
does not do a good enough job explaining what happened in the previous game.
I definitely feel like I'm just gonna have to watch like a YouTube video about
Tech or tech it like a Dragon seven. Yeah, you might have to.
I I will say I played about halfway through before getting a little bored
of it. I got to the sewer. I think that's halfway, and
I put it down because that's yeah, I just killed the momentary level.
Yeah sewer level not good in that. Okay, yeah, imagine that.
But like I knew everything enough that okay, okay, this is how it
ended up. I get that there's a few things that I don't quite understand.
But yeah, in in general though, I had a really good time.
For why I played it that so far, and then I'll get back
to it after I finished playing another game we're gonna talk about here, but
I really really quick, I want to talk about I have played a little
bit of another Code recollection. Oh okay, I've never played those games,
always been interested in them from back when they were DS joints. But how's
that switch port finding you? It's so wild, Mike. This is like
famycom Detective Club. This is just like a remake in the sense that they
made a new video game that just tells the same story as the old one.
Like it's just from the ground. Because I have my DSi saying over
there. I fired up the old Trace Memory as it was called here in
the States, and it's completely different. It is like like it tells the
same story, same characters, but like it goes from being like sort of
like a more two D art visual novel with three D character running around to
like a fully three D game where you're like moving the camera around, the
puzzles are different and all this stuff. It's wild how much effort they put
in this game and just no marketing, Like yeah, it's it feels like
it was hard for games like that same thing with Ghost Trick, right,
which is kind of another remake, and I feel bad, but it flew
under the radar again. We actually are playing it for the game club everybody,
So if you want to play Ghost Trict and look for excuse you and
play along with us. But man, I would love to play you know,
those those those code games, but I'm not gonna have time for that
anytime soon, unfortunately. But uh, and I did be Golden Sun.
I do want to say that kind of just kind of made short to do
that before I was starting Persona three, and I was happy. I was.
I had a lot of fun with that. I think the kind of
final dungeons we were really uh exciting. I really liked the dungeons in general.
I like using all those abilities. The combat is great. I love
the way that you kind of like use your gene your genies or your summons
and firsts for abilities. Then you stock up points that you can use for
summons. But there is a drawback to that, but you can kind of
use those abilities to like like, oh, if I use this, I'm
not gonna be able to use my party heel. But one of these abilities
is a heel, so I can kind of smartly decide the order of these
things, or maybe I need make sure my healer doesn't do that stuff because
they have to have access to it. It was surprisingly deep. I going
into it, I thought it was going to be a pretty simple Bow Systems
game, and it wasn't. So I absolutely love that. The story was
not much and the dialogue was very bad. The dialogue is okay, very
it's excruciatingly bad. It's not like a deal breaker, uh, and there's
not a whole lot of it, thank gosh. But I can't believe how
much time is wasted when people are talking to each other because they just kind
of talk back and forth with like these stupid emoticons popping up at their every
window, saying things that they all already know, repeating things like they make
what should be a three word bubble conversation a fifteen word bubble conversation all the
time. But so you know, I would like to just go straight into
the Lost age, but I have my clear saving on that stuff. But
I'm definitely gonna have to take some time here to play Persona and other things.
Yeah, and that's that's the big game that I've been playing. And
we're running a little long, so I'll keep it shorter here. But yeah,
I've been playing Persona for I'm a decent chunk in nowhere near the end,
but I'm like twenty ish hours into the game because I've had for a
little while here. For people familiar to Persona three, I just crossed the
part where Fuka, the Permanent Navigator joins your team, so like a third
ish that's funny for the game. I think that's where I stopped playing the
original version back in the day, and then I when I played through the
game, it was when Portable came out, so I know exactly where you
are, Okay, gotcha, gotcha. God, this is an interesting game,
Mike, because it is a complete graphical overhaul. It is like Persona
five style graphics better than ever too, because it's on real engine now and
they like really went hard on it. There's like even little stuff you won't
expect, like ray tracing and stuff like that. It's wild, like how
much effort they put into it. It just looks better than ever. But
the kicker is it is a one to one recreation for the most part of
the og Persona three Vanilla for better or worse, because there's a quality of
life stuff out the ass and like things that you would expect them to change.
Like in the original P three you can control your teammates in battle.
You were like a team leader giving them strategies, but now you can control
them as you would expect. But yeah, outside of that, the gameplay
is like in my head, I'm like, this isn't even necessarily how I
remember it. This is just like they made the same game. It just
looks like a twenty twenty four game. Yeah. From a little bit of
what I play, which was not very much, I was getting a little
bit like this is kind of like what I remembered it being in a way,
so it's just kind of wild seeing it look like that. I'm excited
to have like the baton pass in this game now because I'm definitely somebody when
I play through it like I had. I think my party was just the
first three people who joined me. I do that a lot in Gerrafyes,
for my party for the entire game. It's just like the people in like
the order that I get at first and like later on to like here's a
dog and some child. I'm like, okay, well I'm not going to
use them an past I can. Let me tell you the first chance I
get, June pay is out and Cora Maru is in the Dog's Days.
I felt so loyal to June Pey, but you know, very good.
I mean, Yukari wasn't going anywhere, of course, but he sees the
boon. Favorite of Maseru and my playthroughs anyways, it's Mazeru has the most.
There's something something Masia is almost unsettling to me. No, like eighteen
year old should have that much thirty seven year old energy. I like don't
like it. You are have you seen an Oh my god? Yeah,
Oh my gosh. Yeah, the skin tell ye, it's like you are
you are clearly like whatever the Japanese COVID of the CIA is, you are
the plot of twenty one Jump Streets. You are pretending to be a teena
there exactly, absolutely, but it is I will say the alongside my problem
with like it being a one to one remake, it's twofold one. Tartaris
still kind of sucks. And I was wondering, if you do you miss
like the kind of crafted dungeons of a percent of five compared to the you
know, and that's that was a hallmark for I was the randomly generated dungeons.
Yeah, and like that's when they carried through to extent in four wherefore
is you know, they started to get themed individual dungeons, but it was
still like Hallway's old school dungeon Crawley stuff. And then Persona five, Like
I jumped onto the series really with the percent of five because I loved the
spectacle of the of the palaces. They were they're basically Zelda dungeons. And
guess what the Tartar's equivalent gets into something you kind of just have to do
defense the story. And yeah, here Targarus is completely overhauled. Visually,
it's a lot more interesting to look at, but at the end of the
day, it is still just going through hallways. And then that's not really
my ja. I think that's gonna be a Probably the biggest sticking point with
like the person of five fans coming to this is that, like I started,
I played for some three back in the day, good chunk, and
then I played through three and four before five came out, So like that
that doesn't bother me too much. I can kind of I can get with
it. It'd be fine, But I do think it was definitely an upgrade
when Persona five had these really cool dungeons with specific mechanics and like kind of
set pieces and puzzles that were you know, actually designed right. So yeah,
yeah, And I don't know if, like for the person of four
remake, they did want to just redesign the dungeons in that style, I
would be all for it. Yeah, definitely. And then just the other
sticking point for me is that this isn't This still isn't the Persona three definitive
edition. We were kind of think it would be, because the answer isn't
here from Personal three fez, which is fine. Because the answer is not
good. It just would have been nice if they like, this is a
remake, it would have been a chance to remake that into something interesting.
And then of course the big one for people know female main character from Personal
three portable, which you know the answer, they could theoretically tack on his
DLC if they really want to. There's even rumors that they might, right,
yeah, there was rumors from somewhere that maybe, which kind of makes
sense. But like female main character, that's the kind of thing that would
take work. It would take re recording some stuff. It's a lot of
efforts you think they're gonna you think they're gonna do because I think they're gonna
do like a PERSONA three real load. No, you can't get away with
it in this one. It'd be insane and there's no precedent for it.
So yeah, I just don't think there would. Yeah, yeah, please,
Yeah, I get. I totally get that complaint. It doesn't bother
me a whole lot. I know, I never loved the answer there,
like Person three ended me and I was kind of happy with that. And
I don't know, I never played as the female character, and I played
Person of three, so irregularly that I'm I don't know, I like,
I like Makoto, and I am the guy who named him Makoto. By
the way, I was just like back when I played these games, like
yeah, Mike manaughty and I'm gonna point life where I just cannot pretend that
this this Japanese high school students name is MIKENI just listen, Mike, listen,
Mike mc dowell. Son is too stupid for me to all the minaughty
Sons that I'm just like naughty son. No, I don't, I'm a
minnai. I guess I al do toekodo. But I'm I know I'm enough
of a nerd and I'm like, I know, I know there, uh
what are Yeah? Yeah, we got Makoto Wren. There we go,
There we go. That's what they're gonna be. In fact, I would
I wouldn't even mind it if they just made him a speaking character. I'm
I'm a little over even god Son. Although whatever, whenever anybody talked in
that game was painful, So I guess I'm glad Isaac was silent. But
you know, I don't know why he is doesn't do anything for me.
But I was expecting to make that big a change, maybe the persona six.
I think for enough people, especially people who think that this is their
dating sim game, they're going to want that silent protagonists, all right.
I think that's all of our thoughts on that, Mike, you want to
hit something super chests that came in and we'll get out here. Yeah,
yeah, let's catch By the way, everybody likes the list that I posted.
The list come out much better when Jeff's not here. Apparently, Wow,
everybody seems goody good, Yeah, cool, that's funny. All right.
Then we left off of Jazz would be the newest one. Yes,
that's right, Jazz, and I think it's that just said, did Jeff
get a haircut? Yep, yep, stir did uh? The ten Derek
says, Ryu and Chun Lee were guest characters in Power Uh Power Rangers Battle
for the Grid, and they look great as power. You just don't forget
them. We didn't forget them. We didn't didn't make forget Matt ray Monkey
says, does the burger King from Fight Night count? It counts and it
doesn't cute it's cutey. Wolf says, we found a way for brawl to
be in Mike's top three. Yeah. Hey, look, watching the revew
trailer for Snake and Bra was more exciting than playing bro. How about that?
No, I don't mean that, but look, I just need had
to say something hurtful. I'm sorry. Michelerius has two more bucks for coming
to your senses on Sourra. Thank you, Mikey, You're welcome, Mikey.
Ali Miracle says Grand Blue versus Uhland Blue, Fantasy versus Rising is getting
to be with the Looky Eyes. Yep, yeah, yeah, she's on
everything. She's in Canon Soul Caliber. Yeah. Then, Greg says,
y'all ever talk about Smash as make getting new spirits? I think it means
something that's happening with smashtun or they just got bored at ten though I don't
think you want to read into that too much. There's no way that game
is getting any major new content unto at least the switch toes out and they
figure out what they're going to do with Smash. Yeah, switch gonna be
a new one, or it's gonna be some re release or something that.
Yeah. No, plus, like just I think there are a lot of
people who will be completely happy if the Smash game for switch to is just
Ultimate with like five more new characters and like another fighter pass even like they
could just do that, but I thought that's what they would do with the
Switch. I thought. I thought that the switch smash was absolutely going to
be smash for plus or smash for right the Lux and it wasn't. So
who knows, who knows, but yeah, I think we're Uh. Durachi
says, there's might have been missed. It was a quick one, so
in case it was missed, they just said shout out to me, Turbo
Sean, So thank you to I'm sorry if I missed that. I appreciate
you for letting me know. Thank you for the support. All Right,
Mike, we rage out here. Let's do it, all right, I'm
pressing the button. Then it went a lottle long, but not as along
as we sometimes can when it's me and you. So I'm proud of this,
all right, Yeah, all right, Sean. Anything you want to
shout out or promote, well, hey, if people want to find me
on the internet, it's a Turbo Sew Underscore on Twitter dot com and then
Turbo Shawn Shawn everywhere else, Blue Sky Twitch, the Home nine Yards wherever,
the term is there. And then professionally, hey, you can find
me helping out here on the Game mess channel. And then of course I'll
read Giant Bomb doing a whole bunch of stuff, editing social media all that.
Sometimes on content like like I said, I should be I'm the scheduling
is a little in the air, but I should be on that percent of
three reload review cast tomorrow, so definitely make sure to check out the BombCast
refunds tomorrow. I should be on that as well. Joining you check out
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podcast to do with my brothers. So yeah, I appreciate you. Check
it out. Sean, thank you so much for stepping up to the plate
once again with Jeff Busy. Jeff should be back next week. Everybody on
Ninten Dogs and Game Mess Sides. That's right, it's always it's always nice
hanging out with you, Mike. We always make fun less and stuff.
It's a good episode every time. Jeff couldn't do this, Jeff, I
feel like, what's what's a fighting game? I'm scared he would you would
try to stir the pop by saying smashes a fighting game and stuff like that.
Game. Yeah, you know that's say something dumb. No, no,
that's that was the other gype. You would say that. I am
surprised. How good Jeff actually just was that tech in eight almost immediately,
to be honest, he was like, yeah, he mentioned he played a
little bit of the past. I think a little bit a little bit of
that. It is starting to come to the surface. Well, so Techan
is a very intuitive game. It is high high ceiling. Yeah, high
ceiling. But you know, you just got those attack bunts. It's nice.
You have to play street firs like, oh, only four attack buttons.
It's kind of it's like, oh, I don't do do quarter rolls
all the time? Okay, yeah, and things that you think should work
often do. So. Yeah, it's it's fun game. We're definitely gonna
be playing more of it, just more of my lightning. That's thank you,
everybody, alombros. Next week's I'm what I'm ready. Just Michael Larry
says, I bet you have Yes, I do have. It's on my
phone right now. Mm hmm. Listen. I played it when they did
the Near Moncross Hour because I was like, I want to know what this
is all about, nick neural link and my brain and I's just play that
game all the time. All right, you're right, you get to do
the super chests shown you want me to? Oh what do you let me
do? You're doing the games. That's what I want to. I do
want to. All right, if you want to go back in it,
break okay, let me see. Sorry, we'll races. Oh you could
have said that he's not racist. He's just yeah, races, straight up
racist. But he did grew up in Japan, and Japan has some yes,
race he start thinking about like it would you know I should be including
uh more, I don't think that's coming pushing very value should be in the
back of his head somewhere. But yeah, I just yeah, that's not
there. That's yeah, whatever what is I haven't pulled up? Yeah,
you might just have to format. Well, yeah, like a look as
clean as when Jeff does it. Everybody, but you're going to do our
best. She's just shift ship sucks. It's an idiot, right, what
an idiot than guy. What a stupid motherfucker? What's that? Jeff Guy?
Shi girl, get the funk out of here. Absolutely, I realized
today Mike Weeen brought this handheld thing and I saw it be the thumbnail for
the I was like, I didn't know this happened because Game As Mornings didn't
happen this week. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to
go. I need to go to your research. That director Destiny left.
Do you know that like this? Wait, Luke, no, not the
the series. Destiny two's like the big guy whatever. I don't know.
You have to deserve one of the like heads. She's just less president.
Okay, Joe Blackburn, Joe Blackburn left, Bungee, is what you mean?
Okay, let me after the next update. Why it sounds seems like
it's so much fun to work there right now. It seems like they're really
happy with PlayStations taking control over there. Anyways. Uh yeah, yes,
Joe Blackbird left? Yes, okay, then okay, all right, no,
don't worry about it, grab your No, absolutely not. We would
never all are we ready? Yeah? Okay, here we go. All
right, cool? Let me let me just switch windows, I think is
what you do. Oh no, that closed, it didn't it? Uh?
If I just pull it back up though, it should go immediately go.
Yes. Oh so I probably got the math wrong on that, but
I don't give a shit. So yeah, no, you you had to
do for even more. Eighty three. That's too high for that game.
That game is so bad. I don't know how much exactly. Then let
me see has that fun to make a man everybody hates? So mm hm
oh, let me show you what it's gonna look like. Sean good enough
on the stream because all right there perfect, Oh there it is, there
it is. Let me sorry, I had pulled up on my phone there
so I could see. Oh yeah, that looks perfect, that looks perfect,
sounds good. Cool. Uh yeah, I'm good to go whenever you
are. Let's bring it back, break up, jump back. Can I
swish the shot? Yeah? Well let me I'm gonna post this to Twitter
like Jeff Grubb does first. Oh yeah, definitely. Oh. Also,
get the music ready, I got right, let's cue up perfect. Let
me talk a little bit extra about persona, of course, but outside of
that, I mean just rolling through more games should be about death. Making
more. Someone of the chat says Sonic fans are going to cancel us on
Twitter for us lest there aren't bigger Sonic fans and games and media than me
and Mike, say, you know what, they can suck it absolutely get
out of here with that. I don't care, absolutely not. I like
the Ruby people in Baby Tug, but they're like, younna, it's a
good one. Yeah, but they're like, that's that's the whole The whole
thing is a crossovers. That's like, yeah, there, they really guessed.
All right, I do here that second, what did paint freeze?
Open photos? I want open photow shop? That could be a disaster.
Let's just close this, don't worry. I have to also, maybe I'll
just hold it be in the bottle. Let's not do that. Wow,
what got you need the list? No? I took a picture. I'm
just trying to Uh. He doesn't know how to screenshows I do know?
It just wasn't working. Yeah, Pat, there we go. That's small.
We'll see. I can do this. I believe in myself. I
believe in this self that believes in my and my self that believes in you.
I forgot the phrase believe in the me who believes in you believe that
believes in me? Who the hell do you think we are? Who the
hell do you think I am? Mike has no idea what you're talking about?
That anime? I love that fucking They showing the movie on the theaters
now. I think they like re release it. Pretty sure? All right,
I have posted it. Okay, Holmies fixed the scene. We weave
out windows Sean's face here, you're watching any anime there he is, all
right now, Base Okay, hmm, okay, I think we're reading back
into it. Then let's go. Let's see yeh, I got the outro
pulled up, so yeah, whenever you're right,