1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,799 Well off of a weekend that, let's be honest, did not have a 2 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:13,359 whole lot to recap. We were not going to just a shoe disregard refuse 3 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:17,600 to do a Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. We are here. We are 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,960 here for you peeps. Glad that you are with us. I am merely 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,079 the somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves. He is our insider. Fight Freaks 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,640 Unite is his substack, Big Fight Weekend dot Com insider as well. Hello 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,119 Dan Rayfield, A little bit to recap. Kind of interesting that we're also 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,520 in the preview mode because before our typical preview show is out later in the 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:42,439 week, we do have Shakur Stevenson and Emanuel Navaratee in two world title fights 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,280 on the same card in Las Vegas on a Thursday, So we do have 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,000 a bunch to go over, including a former world champ one on one with 12 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:52,960 you on the podcast in Demetrius andre So. Off the weekend, how are 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:59,039 we doing better than the New York Giants? Let's move on. Yeah, 14 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:02,560 not good there. Least my Buccaneers got a Sunday win. Lots of NFL 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,319 football happening, and not a lot of boxing to cover. Here now before 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,439 we get to that. Thank you for finding out news but yeah I fight 17 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,680 cards though, no, uh, thank you for finding us social media link 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Dan Substack, Bigfight Weekend dot com website. Make sure you rate us and 19 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:21,879 review us. Rayfield getting grouchy here. Rate us in review us. Take 20 00:01:22,079 --> 00:01:25,319 ten seconds on Apple podcasts or wherever you can review us. Give us a 21 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:29,159 five star review. Tell Rayfield what a sexy human being he is and you 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,040 love his boxing takes. Do that ratus in review us. It does help 23 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:36,159 with the algorithms and moving the show up. Again, as I keep saying, 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,760 thank you to the audience, you are here with us consistently by the 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,799 thousands, thousands, thousands, thousands every time we release a podcast. We're 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,799 appreciative of that. Rate stuff, keep it up. Rate us in review 27 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:52,640 us with that again, not a stellar action pactor you got really not a 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,359 significant fight card in the United States. We did preview on our bet US 29 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,760 show, the Matchroom Prospect Card. Where do you want to begin with any 30 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:07,400 in the all recaps, including being the let's say, a dedicated boxing inside 31 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:10,599 or an observer you are. I won't call you a degenerate. I'll call 32 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:15,919 you another word with Dee. You did watch a couple of clips of James 33 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,840 Tony and Razor Ruddock after you said this was going to be garbage for the 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,439 exhibition, with both of them in their fifties and both of them being about 35 00:02:21,439 --> 00:02:24,360 fifty pounds overweight. So what do you want to recap here? Off the 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,319 weekend you have the buffet go, well, I figure we'll just you know, 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,479 we'll go through the We'll go through the list. I mean, like 38 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:32,879 I said, not huge weeks. Well, on Friday night, I did 39 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,879 watch some of the card that Wasserman Boxing put on that in the UK was 40 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:40,960 on Channel five, so it's an over the air show like if we had 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,680 it here on ABC or CBS or NBC or Fox there, it's on channel 42 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,319 five here in the United States. It was available on his own and the 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,840 main event was Harlem you Bank, who is the cousin of Chris you Bank 44 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:55,719 Junior, the nephew of Chris you Bank Senior, who was there at the 45 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:59,039 show with him. I don't know if he's his manager, but he was 46 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,439 involved with the interview and you know, and hyping him up and you know, 47 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,280 doing what Chris you Bank Senior does. H and Harlem doesn't have the 48 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:10,000 profile of of Chris Junior, but he is now nineteen to zero with eight 49 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,479 knockouts. They they had this fight in Brighton, England, which is his 50 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,879 hometown. It was Harlem's first time fighting, I guess in his hometown. 51 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,280 First time there had been I guess since his professional debut. I guess back 52 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:25,280 about five or six years ago. In any event, he took on a 53 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,240 pretty compinent guy, Timo Schwartzkoff and I don't know how far Harlem you bank 54 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,000 is going to go, but it was a good performance, so it was 55 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,240 kind of a fun fight. He knocked him out in the eleventh round. 56 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,439 Uh, he did have a point deducted for a low blow in the middle 57 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:43,240 of the fight, I think the fifth round, buddy, buddy, But 58 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,000 he was he was sharp and uh, you know, I thought it was 59 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:50,319 interesting that after the fight he was calling out Connor Ben the same way his 60 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:53,479 cousin has been calling him out. So it's like a family thing they want 61 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,599 to have. They want to gang up on the on the Bens, I 62 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:59,680 guess. But so that was the Friday show and not again, nothing earth 63 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:02,639 shadow on that undercard, or actually he was after the main event. How 64 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,919 don't we call like the after card. I guess you had the third professional 65 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:13,479 fight of Roman Fury, a cruiserweight who is the brother of Tommy Fury and 66 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,120 Tyson Fury, and in that you know, the son of John Fury. 67 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:18,000 And it's the first time I saw him in is you know, three professional 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,879 fights. Now, first of all, you look at the kid, not 69 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,319 a kid anymore. He's like twenty seven years old, but he's young in 70 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,279 his professional career, and he looks like a Fury. I mean, he's 71 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,480 got the mannerisms he with, the way he holds his hands, the way 72 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:32,319 he moves across the ring, the facial expressions. He sounds like him to 73 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,240 a certain degree. So it is kind of uncanny. And you know, 74 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:38,199 again, I don't know how far he's gonna go, but he's not three. 75 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,079 Oh he looked good in a knockout. Is a very impressive punch that 76 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,240 got rid of his opponent of Bradley Davies, who you know, let's be 77 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,279 honest, was only one five and one going into the fight. So they're 78 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:51,120 moving him obviously, very careful. He's not gonna fight top guys, obviously, 79 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,199 but he's got the name. He seems to have a little bit of 80 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:58,519 a swagger, he had a big punch. Now he's three and zero, 81 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,600 and so I say this, I'm interested to see what he does next, 82 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:06,959 where he goes. I'm certainly interested to see what is next and where Harlem 83 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:12,240 youw bank goes. So that was That was the Wasserman card you mentioned about. 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,319 The Mattroom card, which was the main event was the junior featherweight up 85 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:20,600 and comer Shabaz Masoud, who's gotten a huge amount of hype over the last 86 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:24,480 little bit of time, particularly leading up to this card, but also in 87 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:28,680 general in the UK boxing circles. So the good thing is he won. 88 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:32,160 He's now twelve to zero with only four knockouts. The bad news is he 89 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:38,079 didn't really look particularly good taking on a well traveled journeyman in Jose San Martin, 90 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:42,040 who got a split decision loss, you know, and Masud got the 91 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:45,720 split decision win. But that fight really could have gone either way. So 92 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,439 you and I did not really preview this that much on our preview show. 93 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:53,120 We did talk about it on the bet Us show. One thing you brought 94 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,279 up you wanted to test Masud, see him against a veteran. His people 95 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:01,439 wanted to see that. So do you you think in some ways this exposed 96 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,439 some things that he's got to work on. Is it a tough veteran that 97 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:10,680 you just credit what would you say? Well, San Martinez been in with 98 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,839 some quality guys. He still is a guy with a good chin who has 99 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,360 only been stopped, you know, very infrequently in the course of his career. 100 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,800 He does have now seven or eight losses, now two stoppage losses. 101 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,000 Uh. You know, he has displayed a good chin, and he has 102 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,639 been you know, he's been in the ring with some very good competition. 103 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:30,839 Uh, Mauricio Lara for one, Kevin Gonzales for two. Uh, you 104 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,720 know, not in these are and these are real guys. Uh. David 105 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,439 Carmona, for example, is a tough veteran, not a great fighter, 106 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:40,000 but a guy's tough as nails thought him. So this was a test for 107 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:43,639 Masud considering the types of guys he's been fighting. Uh, you know, 108 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,240 and look, it's like, I'll pat what what Eddie Hearn said in the 109 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:49,279 post fight interview that I heard that he gave on his own after the fight. 110 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,600 You know, you got to win, and now you get back in 111 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,120 the gym and you work on what you gotta work on because he was lucky 112 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,800 to get out of there with the w But every every fighter on the way 113 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,040 up at some point usually is gonna have that kind of fight where you're gonna 114 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:08,920 maybe get by and it's gonna hopefully make you better, put a fire underneath 115 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,800 you to a certain degree, to hone in on the things you need to 116 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:15,600 work on. Give his his team, his training group to look at things 117 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,160 to work on, stuff in the gym. So, like I said, 118 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:21,319 the good news is that he won. The bad news is he looked like 119 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,879 a guy that on that one glance did not look like he has a huge 120 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:29,839 future. But again it's only one fight, so you don't write him off 121 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:31,839 after one fight and you know, hopefully he can get better from there. 122 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,959 But he drew a nice crowd for that show in Newcastle, England, you 123 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:38,279 know, along with some of the You know, I had a lot of 124 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:41,720 prospects on that card that that Mattrium is high on and you move on. 125 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,720 So again, it wasn't a huge matchroom show, but it was a very 126 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,160 little action. As we talked about going on this week and then you mentioned, 127 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:51,560 oh my god, the uh the heavyweight exhibition from Hell between Razor Ruddick 128 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:56,759 and James Tony and I did not buy the pay per view, No way 129 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:00,800 would I would I spend two cents on that. I did see some extended 130 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:05,199 clips of it on YouTube and on Twitter, and it was just kind of 131 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,079 pathetic. I mean, to the to the to the old guy's credit, 132 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,160 they did go at it like it was a real fight. It felt like 133 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,160 they were really trying to like knock the other guy out. Uh, but 134 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,639 there one you know, Razor is fifty nine years old, James is fifty 135 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,680 five years old. Both then, you know, are were dramatically out of 136 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,040 shape. Uh what can I say? I mean it was that is a 137 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,639 kind way. That's a kind way to put it. That's a kind way 138 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,519 to put it. And again this was in Jamaica, and you were saying 139 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,519 to me because again I've not seen it or covered it. Uh, no 140 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:43,879 exaggeration, friends and family. Maybe you could have vote somebody. Somebody's joke 141 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,840 that I heard and I love repeating is you could have maybe put the crowd 142 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,960 in a canoe. It was there were not only people there, Phil Again, 143 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:52,279 I didn't see the whole card. But if they weren't there for the 144 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:56,960 main event, obviously they weren't there for the undercard either. I'm telling you, 145 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,240 they showed these wide shots of the arena and where they did, like 146 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,080 I guess, in some sort of exhibition center or whatever in Jamaica. In 147 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:07,600 Kingston, Jamaica. There looked like you said. I mean, it wasn't 148 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:09,960 quite that bad, but there. I mean, I don't know if there 149 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,440 was one hundred people there. So I'm not sure where they're making money in 150 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,159 this. I was gonna say just that, how did they make any money? 151 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,759 I have no idea, because they didn't sell a lot of tickets. 152 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,679 Number one obviously. Number two. I interact with boxing fans all the time 153 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,000 on social media, and I don't know, not a single person said to 154 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,960 me. First of all, nobody asked me really about it, other than 155 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,200 when I posted the way in picture. But nobody said to me, all, 156 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 I'm buying the show. They never really The promoters didn't do anything to 157 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,960 advertise it to the American public or the press, like I never got a 158 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 single press release announcing with the undercard or anything. I just got a thing 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,960 from Fight, which which was one of the streaming platforms that showed it here 160 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,440 in the United States. But it was just the main event, there was 161 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,000 like no, there was really no effort to publicize it. So I haven't 162 00:09:56,039 --> 00:09:58,840 the foggiest idea. It seems. I don't know what the heck it was, 163 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:01,120 but I just hope it doesn't happen again because it was a man. 164 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,039 It was sad to see men. And the saddest, the saddest part of 165 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,480 all of this is that if you're doing that trying to still get some money 166 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,039 because you need the money, that didn't even happen out of this. So 167 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,600 with these former fighters, and as you mentioned, James, Tony's in the 168 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,559 Hall of Fame and uh, and this is going on. I mean, 169 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,080 I mean, from what I saw of it, like it was six rounds 170 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,559 they were they were they were two minute rounds, I guess, uh. 171 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:30,440 And and they were trying, which you know, listen, whatever you want 172 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,960 to say about their physical condition, but whether they should be doing this or 173 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,320 not. The lack of uh, entertainment value as far as I could tell, 174 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,720 the lack of interest from either the general boxing public or the people that 175 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:46,639 didn't show up. From what I saw, the one thing that the guys 176 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,519 have still as a fighting heart, because that's what they are, their fighters. 177 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,440 And they were going at it. They were trying. You know, 178 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,240 I give you a lot of credit because we just did like over ten minutes 179 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,480 when there wasn't a whole lot even there no chicken on the bone based nothing 180 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,360 in the United States anyway. So what do you what do you say that 181 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,039 we get to your conversation with the former middleweight world champ moving up to senior 182 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,519 super middleweight and fighting David Benavidez is in a pay per view at the end 183 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:18,879 of this month. Demetrious Andred with Dan right now in conversation building up to 184 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:24,279 this pay per view main event. I'm very pleased to bring in the podcast 185 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,159 this week. It's the former two division world champion, US Olympian, undefeated, 186 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,519 all around good guy, Demetrius Booboo Andre. Demetrius, Welcome to the 187 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,279 show. Thank you very much for doing this. Do you think that Dan 188 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,759 appreciate the love and support for you and what you've been doing for the sport 189 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:46,639 of boxing. I appreciate that the report, Thatching report. All right, 190 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,320 so we're here to talk about what I think, without question, Demetrius is 191 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,759 the biggest fight of your career so far in terms of profile and name recognition, 192 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,039 and that is a matchup against the WBC's interim super Middleweight Champion in November 193 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,279 twenty fifth at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, live on Showtime pay per 194 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,000 view. And as I'm looking at your record, I'm getting ready to do 195 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:11,519 the interview with that, I'm thinking to myself, Man, fifteen years into 196 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,600 your career, you finally have the marquee fight, or a marquee fight. 197 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,000 I know you've wanted for a very long time. And all I can think 198 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:22,440 to myself is, what the heck took so long? Yeah, same same 199 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,120 question. You know that's something that I can't into it. You know, 200 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,759 it takes two to tango. It was really the true answer. Takes two 201 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,039 to tangle. He had pretty much nowhere to go to, and I had 202 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,039 nowhere else to go to, and I didn't want to keep doing the lack 203 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,279 lustering thing for myself. And but at the end of the day, I 204 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,080 gotta stay busy. I gotta take fights that presented to me because I don't 205 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,919 have the luxury of picking and choosing whoever I want to fight to work like 206 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,240 that with me. But I think David and I knew that in his team 207 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:03,559 and realize, like this is nobody wants to fight. This is a fight. 208 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:05,960 He us fight. Okay, we have to take this fight. Did 209 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,039 you think that as you got on in your career, like I said, 210 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:13,399 fifteen years that this would just never happen and you'd be destined to finish as 211 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,679 a guy who we sort of all knew had a tremendous amount of ability and 212 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,320 talent and personality and all that, but just never had the chance to shine 213 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,240 on the biggest stage. Yeah. I mean I can only blame that on 214 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:35,799 you know, like networks motives. Some journalists not like putting more to you 215 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,320 know, to me per se when I can't tangle with the best that's out 216 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:48,919 there. But they have to also push that help build the situation where they 217 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,240 focus on other cavicters. And so now is the time for me to you 218 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:58,679 know, just do it for myself. Come three divisional world champion, because 219 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,279 this is a world champion. This is like an undisputed type fight for me. 220 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,799 Oh and this is how Cabby and this I always cavity myself to. 221 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,759 You know this, this gets me to the next best thing and hopefully after 222 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,720 this fight, a Canella fight can happen. If it doesn't, I thought 223 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:18,720 the best guy at one hundred and sixty eight pounds. Do you ever look 224 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:24,519 back on your career and think to yourself, a decision here about this business 225 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:28,279 deal, a decision there about this fight, and maybe things would have been 226 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:30,840 different, Like you know, if you had signed with a different promoter coming 227 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,759 out of the Olympics, if you had ended up doing the agreement with Showtime, 228 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:39,080 that would have resulted perhaps in a Charlotte fight. Or do you just 229 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,279 sort of say, you know what, stuff happens and here we are right 230 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,120 now. Of course, stuff happens. Nobody's perfect. Everybody make mistakes in 231 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,559 life. Can you bounce back from it? Clearly I have been bouncing back. 232 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:56,840 Oh any decisions that I made, and I'm here now. I was 233 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:00,799 with this at the end of the day. It's like, no matter what 234 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,440 happened then, like you just said, you said, child, you said 235 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,120 over here I went. I fought with his own and there was no excuse 236 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 not to make no fights happen, Yeah, no fight, Real money was 237 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:13,120 on the table, bill, everything was on the table, So there's no 238 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:16,519 excuse at that point. So looking back then, what do I mean. 239 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:20,720 You've been a world champion in two way classes, so obviously those were important 240 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,320 fights for your career. But in terms of the competition, I wonder when 241 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,120 you look back, what do you view as your biggest win so far of 242 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,480 your career and why do you think it is your biggest win so far? 243 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,559 I mean, my biggest win is every win to get me to where I'm 244 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,399 at now. But as far as like the people for saying just the recognition 245 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:43,960 was like, okay, bonus MONROSI for my title the wo Chimney thirty three 246 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:46,840 and oh two thousand and for Olympian. He was good, he was fresh 247 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,200 beatle. It's a big fight, big like coming out like defendedive Ryan Rose, 248 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,600 stopped Tim seventh Crown and then you know, the whole thing happened and 249 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:04,279 all this. You know things that people really don't know because you know there's 250 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,120 contracts and you know, lawsuits and a bunch of stuff that you know that 251 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:14,120 we went through. The stuff you can't talk about. Well, you're here 252 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:15,120 now, right, So that's the main thing. I guess. Okay, 253 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,200 like at the end of the day, I figured at the end of the 254 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,799 day, I knew what I was doing to get out situations to get in 255 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:26,080 better situations. So I did that. Yeah, so I look at the 256 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,960 matchup between you and Benevitez, and I see David is eight years younger than 257 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,600 you, he's naturally bigger. You, of course have come up through the 258 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,799 weights from one hundred and fifty four to one sixty eight. You're known for 259 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,600 your tremendous technical ability, being a real tough southpaw. He's known for being 260 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,080 a brawler, a good power, good durability. And so I wonder when 261 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,240 you look at the matchup, what do you look at as your path to 262 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:52,039 victory in the fight? Just overlaill skill of athletic ability, like you said, 263 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,039 Wayne IQ, and just of course like my power as well. I 264 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:02,480 don't think he have a like he's been in there with you know, you 265 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:04,359 want to fight, but I don't think he's really been in there with somebody 266 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,519 that's going to be able to, like know how to land the shots. 267 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:12,880 I'm gonna be able to land on him well because overwhelmed from his pressure and 268 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,759 power where it suits me. Okay, So you have had only one fight 269 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:21,960 so far in the super middleweight division, as many fights as you had obviously 270 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,480 in your other divisions. So in your January fight where you want to shut 271 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,920 out on the undercart of the tank, Davis Hector, Luis Scarci at pay 272 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,799 per view. How did you feel fighting at one sixty eight? Did you 273 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:34,839 feel like it suits you? Did you feel like, uh, waking weight 274 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,799 was easy, that the power. You didn't have a knockout in the fight, 275 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:41,720 of course, but did you feel like you could carry some power against 276 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,240 these bigger opponents. Yeah, I mean I haven't thought that was that was 277 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:48,160 all for like what thirteen months? Yeah, maybe all the less. I 278 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,319 don't know. I'm not too sure, but you know, I got it 279 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,880 in, evaluated myself. That's you know, did what I need to do, 280 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,599 get the rust, a little rust of distancing the condition see see how 281 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,839 its demony consume was a game dog that you know that I learned from when 282 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:10,119 it came to the one sixty eight class, and that that was big as 283 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:14,839 for education purposes, and so we did we need to do to try to 284 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,680 build up. But it just this is the best I think where I'm at 285 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:25,160 right now. So I see comments from people all the time Dimitris andreds boring 286 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,119 he can't punch, uh, you know, and I think, well, 287 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,599 you know what, he doesn't run. He's a great boxer. If you 288 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,880 look at the record you got maybe not a ton of knockouts, although you 289 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,599 have scored three knockouts in your last six flights, but you have a ton 290 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,319 of knockdowns against almost everybody in recent fights. Why do you think you get 291 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,119 a bad rap from some folks because I don't get it, to be quite 292 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,319 honest, and I'm not kissing your We're in We've had this conversation in private 293 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,559 before. I have I have no I have no clue. It's because I 294 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:57,640 can beat your favorite fighter. It's because you like what I could do and 295 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:03,119 you're mad you can't do it. Like, I just don't understand this whole 296 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,839 boxing fan thing all of a sudden, Like, dude, don't you want 297 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:11,880 the best fighting the best? Don't you want, like, if you really 298 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,759 know boxing, don't you want like the most time to fighters fight each other 299 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,599 or whatever? Not just because your favorite fighter says, oh, he's not 300 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,279 there or that, Like these are just excuses, you know, at the 301 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,799 end of the day, not to make the fight happen. If somebody's boring 302 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:30,799 and therefore his records good, Yo, he's just I'm a faster, I'm 303 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,599 a busy guy. He's slow. He ain't really gonna I have to beat 304 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,799 him, take his gero in resume and not beat somebody that was undefeated and 305 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:42,240 all this other shit. So enough with excuses because that just goes that's like 306 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,680 bizarre. Just I just don't understand that. The girls love me, that's 307 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:52,279 your woman. Like God, there there's handsome hit like yo, I hear 308 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:55,920 that. Whatever, I must be doing something right. I would agree with 309 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,799 that. When when he was getting ready to fight Kayleb plant back in March, 310 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:00,880 they had a onn of trash talk. They got into it at the 311 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:07,000 press conference. No respect until after the fight, there was some grudging respect. 312 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,880 Uh, when you guys had your press conference, which I looked at 313 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,480 was all he was all about respecting you. He called it the biggest fight 314 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,200 of his career and he's been a champion and you know, two times. 315 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,640 And what did you make of that? That that uh, he he really 316 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:26,319 did show Demetris Andre the utmost respect. I mean, why would why would 317 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:29,039 anybody show me respect? Well, he didn't show I'm only saying he didn't 318 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,759 show Kayla planting Andy and he'd been a champion also and was undefeated you besides 319 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:37,000 Canelo's fight, Yeah, personal reasons and in the day they you know, 320 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:41,559 you watched the videos they was fighting in the gym. That's that's a different 321 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:48,480 situation. I don't I don't calvy myself in a way like you know, 322 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:51,279 fuck you yo, yo yo. The boxing is rough and top yo. 323 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,720 Man. Congratulation youngers is you know saying glad yo? Whoa? That's how 324 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:00,839 I whatever book it cause when it we don't. We don't need to trash 325 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,880 talk. You have the two division I mean you have two time champion in 326 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,599 your weight class. I'm two divisional looking to go up to the sixty eight 327 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:12,039 yo. Have nothing of respect for you. You have nothing before respect for 328 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:15,759 me. But we're going to fight, right, that's it. We don't. 329 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:21,440 The fight is already sold. No little dude shy like, fuck you 330 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,599 me? All right, thank you? Half nice days. Well, okay, 331 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:32,599 so you are man like yo. We got the two best fighting. 332 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,400 There's no there's no build up to talk ships more like, Yo, We're 333 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,440 going to fight. You are gonna fight, and I'm gonna wrap up with 334 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,160 this. Demetrius. You obviously both would love to fight Canelo Alvarez. He 335 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,559 is, of course, the young disputed champion in the weight class. Just 336 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,920 come off a very lopsided win over Jamelo Charlotte. He has not fight faced 337 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,400 either of you guys yet. Obviously you have. You famously came to the 338 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,599 press conference after the Billy Joe Saunders victory. I was tearing the room and 339 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,599 you guys got into it a little bit, and I thought you were really 340 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,920 polite, and he kind of attacked you eventually. I think maybe because more 341 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,519 or not because of you, maybe because some of the comments that your father 342 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,880 had made. In any event, he has not fought you. He has 343 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:15,799 not fought David Benavitez and uh, and that's his decision to make. So 344 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,319 you guys fight each other. So I look at it and I think to 345 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,000 myself, do you believe that the winner between yourself and David is really the 346 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,680 people's mandatory challenge or whatever the organizations say that that because you two are the 347 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,039 next best guys in the division behind him as the champion, that, of 348 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:33,400 course, if the winner of this fight is going to be the one that 349 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,880 the public demands, the media demands that, Caneli fight next? Yeah? 350 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:45,920 For sure, I mean everybody has to push it. Is he gonna do 351 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,759 it? No? I mean, well he listen, can has luck you 352 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,119 to do whatever he wants me? So that my hat goes off to him 353 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,759 because of that. Well, this is the fight right here. This is 354 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:03,000 the fight of course, like we've talked about me is Canelo. This is 355 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,839 definitely an icon on the cake for anything that has to be said about either 356 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,880 myself or David. So it's just gonna be a great fight, and I 357 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,279 think it's the best fight at one succeed between the two top elite guys. 358 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,279 At the end of the day. Well, I wish you the best luck 359 00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:22,000 in the fight, Demetrius. I've known you a long time and I'm happy 360 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,319 to see that you finally got an opportunity for a significant fight. I wish 361 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,720 you good luck and I thank you very much for doing this. Thank you 362 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,279 too many, and God bless you. And hopefully it goes well. All 363 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,359 right, Thanks a lot, Demetrius, appreciate that. Peace so good stuff 364 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,319 there, and again we're headed towards that pay per view at the end of 365 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:45,200 the month, just a couple of weeks away in Las Vegas. Final thoughts 366 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,160 before we move on on Demetrius Andrea and you're getting a chance to talk with 367 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,240 him. Dimitrius is a hell of a fighter. That's the first thing. 368 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,799 As people heard him you know, and I was sincere when I said this. 369 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,000 I'm glad that after all these years, he's been a professional almost fit 370 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,519 teen years and he's finally, finally, finally getting what you can consider a 371 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,039 marquee fight. So now it's time to see. Uh did it come too 372 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,039 late? Is it coming at the right time? You know, he is 373 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,039 a little older. He is a fighter that relies on on rhythm and and 374 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,680 and defense and speed. He looked pretty good in his in his first fight 375 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,279 at super middleweight that took place in January on the undercart of Givonta Davis's fight 376 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,359 David Benabiez is a tough, tough opponent. Though he's a He's a sturdy, 377 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,599 physical guy, strong as a bull, good chin. Uh. We'll 378 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:37,319 see. But I felt that the way that that Dimitrius sounded. I have 379 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,000 seen some of the some of the footage from his training camp. Uh. 380 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,759 You know he's working at the at the Snack outfit in San Mateo, California, 381 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:49,039 where you know he's involved with the Victor Conte, the former Uh. 382 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:53,880 You know pe dp peddler very much reformed these days. Uh, and you 383 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,920 know he looks like he's an absolutely unbelievable condition, feels like it's got It's 384 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,119 a very tranquil training camp, like they're really down to business. And I 385 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,319 think this is going to be a pretty good fight. I have to tell 386 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:08,119 you. If it's too good of a fight, that's probably bad for Demetrius. 387 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,759 But from the interview, you know, I know he's amped up and 388 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,839 excited to have this caliber of a fight. It's spent a long time coming. 389 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,559 Good stuff on that. And again you've also talked in the preview mode 390 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:23,920 with David Benavitez. We'll hear from him coming up as that fight gets closer. 391 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,880 But peeps were here for you with the one on one conversations, etc. 392 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:32,240 And it's another reminder to make sure that you're following and subscribing because we 393 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:37,240 will put these interviews up from time to time as standalone outside of the preview 394 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,480 podcast or the recap podcast, and we'll do that with the Andred interview coming 395 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:42,839 up as well. So rate us and review us and tell us that you 396 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,920 enjoy that. If you like hearing the likes of andreid or Oscar Dale Hooyo 397 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:52,599 or Tim Zuo or on and on different fighters that we have had on promoters, 398 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,039 etc. If you enjoy that, whether it's Ryan Garcia, Trainers Etca, 399 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,720 Derek James, I'm just going off the top of my head here, 400 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,000 Joe Goosen and others that you've had on RATUS and review Us. I got 401 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,839 a second plug in for you to rate us in review Us, Dan, 402 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,799 so we'll be good on that again. On the Friday bet Us show on 403 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:17,359 their platforms, we did preview the Shaquur Stevenson Edwin Della Santos WBC BACONT lightweight 404 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,920 title fight world title fight coming in Vegas this Thursday. We also previewed the 405 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,759 e Manuel Navarate title defense with Robinson robson conssal So, but we'll touch on 406 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,319 it a bit here again because even though it's usually a recap, this is 407 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:36,359 happening before we typically preview again later on in the week. So give me 408 00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:41,880 give me a couple of thoughts here on this again. You interviewed Shaquur Stevenson 409 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,799 recently on the podcast as well as he goes for a third world title here 410 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,799 in a third different weight division. Some thoughts Dan on this coming Thursday in 411 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,319 Vegas. Well, my thoughts are very simply in terms of the main event 412 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,640 that although Edwin de Los Santos has shown himself to be a very good fighter 413 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,680 in recent fights. He looks sharp, he's looked good, but he hasn't 414 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,319 thought guys, even though he's looked good in the wins he's had. Joseph 415 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:07,240 Adornio, for example, he won very handily in terms of a one sided 416 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,279 ten round decision. He had a what I would consider not a huge upset 417 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:17,039 but I guess a mild mild plus upset against the undefeated Jose Valezuela that was 418 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,799 in September of last year. He's knocked him out in the third round. 419 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,799 Valon Zuela was undefeated and a lot of people had high hopes for him, 420 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,200 maybe more so than Delo Santos. But Delo Santos is a good fighter. 421 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,279 He was a good amateur. But I'm gonna tell you, I don't care 422 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,119 if edwin Delos Santos or you know, edwin Rosario. Okay, Chaquee. 423 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:40,200 Stevenson is a different, different ballgame. So I'm not the only one that 424 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,119 feels his way. This young man Chuck Course Stevenson. At age twenty six, 425 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,640 he is undefeated. He's won world titles in two way classes. Statistically 426 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,319 speaking, he's an elite defensive fighter. You can just tell that by watching 427 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,599 him fight for two seconds offensively. He may not be a thunderous one punch 428 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,759 knockout artist. He only has a fifty percent knockout ratio, but he can 429 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,480 hurt. And I believe as he grows into or moves into bigger weights and 430 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,400 mature is more as a as a as a physical being, he's going to 431 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,440 have better power. This This is a guy that's going to be at some 432 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:15,960 point in the future. I don't know if it's going to be next year 433 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,839 or a year or two after that, but people are going to talk about 434 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,240 him as one of the top couple of pounds for pound fighters in the world, 435 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,039 if not number one. Right now, he's on the list. He 436 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,480 just hasn't had necessarily the caliber of victories to get him to the highest positions 437 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000 there, although he does have. He's fashioning a very solid resume when you 438 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,119 think about it, knockouts against Jimmel Herring, who he took the title from 439 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,200 a one sided decision with a knockdown against Oscar Valdez, a clear cut decision 440 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,200 over Robston concerts that he's in the co feature now. Granted, in that 441 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200 fight he didn't make the weight He was tripped of the unified title at one 442 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:52,319 thirty, which moved him up to one thirty five. He destroyed Yoshino in 443 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,119 the fight in April, which was the elimination fight to get this match for 444 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,640 the title, he wanted to fight Devin Haney. Devin Haney vacated because he 445 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920 was going up for a big game, bigger game hunting, let's say, 446 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,279 against Regis Progra. Point here is this, I think Chakhor Stevenson is already 447 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,039 one of the best fighters in the world, and with respect to Edwin de 448 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:12,160 los Santos, a good fighter. But to me, this is gonna be 449 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,880 a lopsided chequurse type of victory. And again it's not a knock on De 450 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,400 los Santos. I just don't see anybody in the small you know, from 451 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,480 let's say one hundred and thirty or lower up to one thirty five that's gonna 452 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,400 hang with Shakur, except maybe Hainey if he was going to come back to 453 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,599 the weight class, and maybe just on muscle memory because of how great he 454 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,240 is Vesililo Machenko, but I don't necessarily think I would pick him to beat 455 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,119 Devin to beat a Chaquor. So I would say this. Hopefully we get 456 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:42,799 a good fight, but I'm gonna be watching it because I want to see 457 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,359 brilliance. I want to see domination. Very reminds me so much of the 458 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,039 young Floyd Mayweather. I know it's kind of a cliche, but it's the 459 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:53,640 fact. Uh, he's just a brilliant fighter. Shakur all right in the 460 00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,240 cole feature and again, we spent some time on the bet Us show. 461 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,799 You can go back and watch the video previews too, but he man will 462 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:02,720 not rate, is back in action. He is fighting Consasao, who you 463 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,799 just referenced here, the Brazilian. This is the WBO Junior lightweight title. 464 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,960 It's the co feature fight at the Tmobile Arena. I don't mind admitting this. 465 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,920 I'm thoroughly entertained whenever I watch Namorate fight. I think a lot of 466 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920 people feel that way. And he's been very active. This again is his 467 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,240 ninth fight, his eighth title fight since the beginning of twenty twenty. Let's 468 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,720 hear it for activity here, and he's back in the ring Thursday night. 469 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,240 So a couple of quick thoughts on that one in the preview mode. Even 470 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,039 though it's a recap show. We're serving both purposes, Peops. You know, 471 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,119 we don't have to label the show. The show is understead. The 472 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,359 show is the show whatever is going on, and we talk about so as 473 00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,960 far as this will be, Like you said, he's active. Third fight 474 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,519 of the year. That said, he only had one fight in twenty twenty 475 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:47,720 two, so he sort of I guess making up for a little bit of 476 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,519 lost time in an event early in the year. He was supposed to fight 477 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,680 Oscar Valdez in February, but he was injured still, so he fought Liam 478 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,799 Wilson in a fantastic fight, knocked him out in a fight of the year 479 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,880 candidate won the vacant title WBO title at one hundred and thirty pounds. They 480 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,279 rescheduled the Oscar Valdez fight that was in August. They put on a sensational 481 00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:07,720 fight. A lot of people that would be the fight of the year. 482 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,119 I didn't quite live up to that level in my opinion. Some people think 483 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,079 it did. But regardless, it was a tremendous battle and in the end 484 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,680 it was never at day that scored, you know, the pretty decisive victory. 485 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,880 You know, he just throws so many punches and he's so busy and 486 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,960 he's a good puncher. And now Robson Contao is standing there. I think 487 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,440 we'll see a similar kind of performances that we have seen, where the activity 488 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,880 level and just how busy he is is going to be a real problem. 489 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,240 Constele is a consummate boxer and a good fighter, was Olympic gold medalist. 490 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,440 But you know in the end he's seventeen to two when he's lost on the 491 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,440 biggest stages. When he stepped up. He did lose very lopsidedly to Shakur 492 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,839 in their title fight that Scar had been stripped of the belts because of the 493 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,759 weight. He also had a much closer decision loss. Some people thought he 494 00:31:53,839 --> 00:32:00,240 won. I didn't against Oscar Valdez. Never at Day again, and we'll 495 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:01,960 see if he can put together the punch is awaited against the Valdez, but 496 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,559 that was a real tough fight against and I expect him to to do some 497 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,400 damage here against Concassau. We'll see if he can get him off his feet. 498 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,000 I mean, the one thing about Consts, even in the losses, 499 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,039 he's showing a very good chin. Uh but uh, this it's a it's 500 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,160 a classy bike, is whatever you think about contint. Like I said, 501 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,400 the only losses are the two top guys and and they've gone to this, 502 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:22,960 you know, gone the distance, so it's it's a worthwhile fight. And 503 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,680 keep in mind, by the way, this isn't even like the main event. 504 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,359 It's the undercard fight. So this is uh, this is that's a 505 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,359 nice show for a Thursday night, which we don't see a lot of it. 506 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,599 As we've detailed, it's because of the F one race that's taking place 507 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,640 this weekend in Las Vegas. It's another ESPN uh uh event that's in Vegas. 508 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,839 They sort of like to play off each other because the race is taking 509 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:44,400 place in Vegas and also is televised by ESPN. But it's a it's a 510 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,359 good opportunity for for everybody in the show to uh to continue doing their thing. 511 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,680 And they got like and this is not exactly uh something unusual TJ. 512 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,160 And that is that top rank as they often will do almost always do, 513 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:59,160 is they put on some of their better prospects on the undercard. Who you 514 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,200 know, we can all watch the regular on the prolmenary portion of the card 515 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,680 rather on ESPN. Plus I'll just name a couple guys They got Emiliano Vargas, 516 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,359 who's the young son of Fernando Vargas, who's a lightweight that's looked tremendous 517 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,160 in his brief career. He got the welterweight Brian Norman, who's coming along. 518 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,599 You got Floyd cash Flow Diaz, a junior featherweight who's looked good and 519 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,720 is on the way up. People remember when he was a little kid, 520 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,319 basically in the twenty four sevens with Floyd Mayweather. He got the Olympian middleweight. 521 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,839 Troy Isisley's on the card. The a kid that's probably like quickly becoming 522 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,319 one of the top handful of prospects in the whole top rank stable is Abdulla 523 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,200 Mason. I think he's only nineteen years old. He is a lightweight. 524 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,960 Just a lot of talent, is the point. And I'm looking forward to 525 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,440 Navarata and that big left that left upper cut in particularly in particular will he 526 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,720 will he be able to land it and will it do damage? That's part 527 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,079 of the intrigue. All right, moving along, very interesting. You were 528 00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:58,240 reporting this weekend about this December twenty third date that we keep hearing about, 529 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,519 and now it's in Saudier and it looks like some things are coming together. 530 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:06,519 I'm intrigued by what I see on my rundown. Go ahead, what have 531 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,280 you found out? You know, most recently here we had the Fury in 532 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,840 Ganu card. You kept talking about and saying to everybody this is part of 533 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,320 Riodd's season and the big events they want to have, And so now they're 534 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,320 rolling out some fights and you found out some names. Go ahead, Well, 535 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,199 sure, so December twenty third, as everybody knows, what's supposed to 536 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:30,679 be the date for Fury against Usik for the undisputed heavyweight championship, And that 537 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,000 was sort of in pencil prior to the Nigan Who fight, And I said 538 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,119 this on the show. We talked about it many times. Well, I 539 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,400 mean, how can you say the fight's definitely on the twenty third when you 540 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,559 have no idea what's going to happen on the fight that took place October twenty 541 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,480 eighth. So even though Fury did win, the fight barely eked it out, 542 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:50,079 got knocked down, came out with a swollen eye, and I got 543 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,320 banged around in a fight that a lot of people thought Nagan who won, 544 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,599 you know, barely eked it out. The point is that it was very 545 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,400 clear from the moment that that bell ended to end that fight. There was 546 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,159 absolutely zero chance in hell that Tyson Pier is going to be back right in 547 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:04,719 camp, you know, within a few days or a week to be ready 548 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,079 to fight for the undisputed title against Usik on December twenty third. So, 549 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,480 as expected, the fight is gonna not take place until at the earliest, 550 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,920 probably February, which is if it does take place February, be like at 551 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440 the tail end of the Read Season festival, they wanted to have another event 552 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,559 so they're gonna still do an event on February. On December twenty third, 553 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,320 And as I have reported, I broke this story and it's I was shot. 554 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,360 I went to bed like after writing it, woke up the next morning 555 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:34,239 and like my phone like exploded with texts and emails and tags on social media 556 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,280 and everybody you know writing about the story. It's not done yet. Let 557 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,679 me emphasize not done, not signed unless something's happened as we're taping this. 558 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,599 But there's contracts in the works, and everybody's you know, at least on 559 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,119 board before they've signed. But they still got to go through some things, 560 00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,000 at least in terms of the top couple of fights. But this would be 561 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:57,559 a card on which Anthony Joshua would headline in read against Otto Whalen, who 562 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,480 everybody knows is a good contender, gave Tyson Firay hell of a fight. 563 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,599 Anthony Joshua defeated Otto well in two times when they were in the amateur ranks. 564 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,679 I actually found one of their amateur fights on YouTube and watch it the 565 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,960 other night when they were very young. Obviously, so that would be the 566 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,519 main event. That's an intriguing fight. That's a fight that would put the 567 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,079 winner in position for a vacant IBF title fight, perhaps against Philip Perkovic, 568 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,400 who was also going to be on this card. Because Otto got a victory 569 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,960 against Gassie have made him number two. Kergovich was already number one. Joshua 570 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,079 I believe his number three. If he wins, it'll set him up to 571 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,800 fight for the vacant title against Argovich. But anyway, so that's not that 572 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,599 he needs to have that because he can fight for a title just because of 573 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,039 his name as long as he wins. But anyway, that would be the 574 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:44,079 main event. That's a very solid fight. The co feature or you know 575 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,079 our co made event, if you will, is supposed to be Deontay Wilder 576 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,159 against Joseph Parker, another former title holder, who also has had a unification 577 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,679 fight against Joshua and lost, and so on the one hand, you have 578 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,920 a lot of people who are like, what the fuck are they doing? 579 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,280 Why can't Joshua and why they're just fight each other. I'm not gonna use 580 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,800 the F word, but what are they doing? And why can't they just 581 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,960 fight each other? I mean, exactly, that's the question. I mean, 582 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,920 I wish I had a reasonable answer for you. They're gonna be in 583 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,079 the same building, they're presumably both making a lot of money. We've been 584 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,480 talking about this for years, Yes, you're just talking about a year years. 585 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,760 Why are they fighting somebody else at this stage between two of them? 586 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,119 I wish I had a coach and answer for you on that. I mean, 587 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,599 of course, I would love to see them fight each other, I 588 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:35,320 think, and I don't. Even my reporting says to me that even if 589 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,039 this doubleheader are the two main fights on this big card we're talking about take 590 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,199 place, it's not even a guarantee that they would fight each other next. 591 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,440 In other words, a lot of times we're gonna do these types of shows 592 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,760 where you've got the two guys on the card together. It's all as a 593 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,800 prelude to them fighting each other. You know, there's a ton of examples. 594 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,079 I mean, you know, Top Ranked named a doubleheader that included Chavis 595 00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,360 Senior and Oscar de la Aya prelude to glory it was, and they had 596 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,039 signed for the big fight between Oscar and Chavez. So this was clear as 597 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,039 day that they were doing preluatatory like before we get the big one. And 598 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,719 then when they finally fought each other in the next fight, they called it 599 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,679 ultimate glory. I mean it was set up to do. Let's put them 600 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,840 on the doubleheader together. They thought, like, you know, softer opponents 601 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,960 than than Otto Whalen and Joe Parker obviously, but they won their fights and 602 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,920 they went on to have the big one. And that's just one example of 603 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,239 a thousand times that's happened. In the case of this situation, they don't 604 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,519 have anything signed, sealed and delivered to do a fight against each other. 605 00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:37,679 Now that said, the Saudis have the money and the desire where they can 606 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,360 do it whenever they want because they've got the money to do it. Like 607 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,119 people make a misunderstanding about what they're doing here. When promoters put on big 608 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,679 events like this, they want to make money. They obviously think they can 609 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,039 sell a certain amount of pay per view, bringing a certain amount of ticket 610 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,280 money, bring in sponsors, and you know whatever. You want to talk 611 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,400 about all the different revenue streams, international television and well, I don't think 612 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,559 that people that are b bank will this from Saudi Arabia, which is the 613 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,079 General Entertainment Authority, that is the governmental office that is responsible bringing in not 614 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,039 just boxing matches, but they did UFC, they brought in wrestling, they 615 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,280 brought in golf, auto racing, whatever, the big events, sports or 616 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,400 entertainment, concerts, whatever. It's not about let's make a profit. It's 617 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,079 like you're a company and you buy an ad in the Super Bowl for thirty 618 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,599 seconds for seven million dollars. It's for advertising purposes. They want to put 619 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,519 on big events in Saudi Arabia. We can just you know, without discussing 620 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:32,719 the political reasons why they're doing this. The bottom line is they want to 621 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,920 make Saudi Arabia look to the rest of the world as a place you should 622 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,000 go and visit because they've got all this stuff to offer. Sports, culture, 623 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,559 music, food, whatever, and that's why they're doing this. And 624 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,519 they've got as much money as anybody. So for them to spend fifty million 625 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,000 dollars or eighty million dollars or whatever for this card, it's like if you 626 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,320 and I went and bought a cup of coffee, it doesn't mean anything. 627 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,480 It's like they have endless amounts of money, so don't worry about whether it's 628 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,199 profitable or But anyway, so this card has a chance to be a huge 629 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,199 card. So yes, we would like to see them fight each other. 630 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,000 They're not fighting each other, but at least they're fighting like actual legitimate opponents. 631 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,639 I mean, say what you want, but Otto Whalen and Joe Parker 632 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,199 are real guys. Well you partially answered it. We don't know what the 633 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:19,719 guarantees are. But if if Anthony, okay, if Anthony Josh was making 634 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,440 five million dollars to fight Auto Vallein, way more than that, okay, 635 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,440 But I mean just stick with me. And Deontay Wilder is making five million 636 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,199 guaranteed to fight Joseph Parker, why was there any incentive for them to fight 637 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,880 each other. If they can make that on this card, to take a 638 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,320 low risk fight for both of them. So well, you're telling me now, 639 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,920 if you're telling me they're making eight million or ten million guaranteed, when 640 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,000 the guaranteed money doesn't seem to be out there big time anyway to fight somebody 641 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,159 that's not a champ, not a number one contender, And what I will 642 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,719 deem is a low risk fight for both of them. Now we begin to 643 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,320 understand the reason why they're not fighting each other. You know that Anthony Joshua 644 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,039 and Deontay Wilder, if this event had weapons, Anthony Joshua will make well 645 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,679 in excess of ten million dollars. I believe Deontay Wilder would probably be making 646 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,760 around ten million dollars. And you can say what you want, but I 647 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,760 don't consider Parker and Auto willing to be like, gimme a wins. I 648 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,519 mean, yes, they'll be favored. Obviously, these are not either one 649 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:22,000 of them or legit threats for Joshua Parker or for Joshua Wilder. Is either 650 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,519 one of them a big enough puncher. Is either one of them a big 651 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,880 enough punchers. Where I would come from from that to where you would say, 652 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,360 wow, that guy's a threat to beat JOSHUAA that guy's a threat to 653 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,400 beat Wilder. I don't think that about either one of them. I'm just 654 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:37,880 saying it's heavyweight boxing. These are real guys, They've had championship level experience. 655 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,519 Otto Wellen is a south Pod, not Anthony Joshua's favorite style to fight. 656 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,760 Deontay Wilder is not exactly a young man anymore. He's had some brutal 657 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,679 knockout losses. Not to say that Joe Parker didn't take a tough knockout loss 658 00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,920 against Joe Joyce. I'm only making the point that is this, if they're 659 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,440 not fighting each other, which I want them to be doing, these are 660 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,679 reasonable opponents for them that are maybe they're the top guys, but these are 661 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,039 at least like the secondary be guys. So, but that's just two fights 662 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:07,079 on the card. The rest of this thing is insane. If they get 663 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,519 it all done. Now, we'll see if they all get if they all 664 00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:13,440 get close. Because my understanding is why they're all have paper out on these 665 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,639 different fights. Nothing is actually one hundred percent signed, sealed and delivered. 666 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,800 You're gonna have Philip Hergovic, who's the number one contender for the winner of 667 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,360 Usik and Fury. He's gonna fight an opponent to be determined that has not 668 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,440 been announced, or nothing's been announced. Nothing in my recording, they told 669 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,440 me he didn't have an opponent. Of the various people I spoke to, 670 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,719 you have Dmitri Beevill, the light heavyweight WBA champion, is supposed to be 671 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,639 fighting Richard Rivera to pop by the Sailor man who's with Star Boxing, who 672 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,039 gave bad Dude Jack a tough fight. Dmitri Beevill, who hasn't fought since 673 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,679 last November, who hasn't fought now and going on thirteen months. If he's 674 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,559 on this December card, go ahead, so that would be a title defense 675 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:51,880 for him. And then you've got three other heavyweight fights. You have the 676 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,360 possibility of Daniel Dubois coming off the USIK knockout loss against Gerald Big Baby Miller, 677 00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,360 who's you know, has his own checkered history. But no less, 678 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,119 that's actually a fight where I have no idea who wins that fight. You 679 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,880 have Frank Sanchez, the outstanding undefeated Cuban fighter who nobody wants to fight. 680 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,360 He's being mashed if it all gets done with Junior fa who is the New 681 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,159 Zealand fighter that was you know an up and coming guy. He did get 682 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,800 knocked out by Lucas Brown and kind of a freak knockout, but it was 683 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,719 still a rough first round knockout loss. He hasn't fought since. Then. 684 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,800 You have a fighter that we saw on the undercard of the Tyson Fury Nagan 685 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,440 who fight Joseph Parker won by knockout an undercard. Another fighter that won on 686 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,000 that Undercarter is arnslow back Mahmadouf, who is the Russian fighter based out of 687 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:39,199 Canada. He is going to be on this card. We'll see you know 688 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,239 who they match him up with. And then you also have the possibility of 689 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,599 ji Opataia, the cruiserweight champion, fighting on this card. Also again no 690 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,199 opponent said he has a mandatory that he's supposed to have with Maris Braidest, 691 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,559 But there's a possibility that braidest Is injury may not be altogether healed, so 692 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,400 if he's not able to go, he'd probably be allowed to have an optional 693 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,239 defense, and that would probably be what would happen on this card. If 694 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,280 the Greatest is ready to go. I do not believe that that mandatory would 695 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,599 happen in this card, and he probably would not fight so you know, 696 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,400 there's a lot of moving parts. The interesting thing there is this, and 697 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,039 what I was told by multiple folks involved, is that the Saudis who are 698 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:16,639 doing this event, and Frank Warren would be like the on the ground promoter, 699 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,960 but they've got a million different promoters who would involved from the standpoint of 700 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:27,840 having their fighters on this card. As you're talking about, you're talking about 701 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,800 they won't have a press conference, you know on Wednesday of this week. 702 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,280 Oh by the way, Mama, Dude's opponent is supposed to be your boy, 703 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,199 Ajit Kabil, the European heavyweight chance my boy, Yes, your boy. 704 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,440 So they got a lot to pull together between now and Wednesday. Now, 705 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,679 it doesn't mean they have to have all eight of these fights signed, 706 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,880 but if you're going to have a press cards, at the very least, 707 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,920 you're gonna have to have probably Deontay Wilder and Joshua done to do any kind 708 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,679 of news conference. But they still got a few days to do it, 709 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,679 and they work quickly. Look, when the Saudis have the money, you 710 00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:55,960 know, money talks, as they say, and they can make shit happen 711 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,679 real quick. So you know, I saw some interviews with Eddie hearn post 712 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,960 his card in Newcastle, where you know how Eddie loves to talk about everything 713 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,599 under the sun. Even as fairly tight lipped about this, he didn't want 714 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,000 to give away any details. But uh, I'm proud of my efforts to 715 00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,159 report and ferret out this entire card and that story. And if it happens, 716 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:17,920 you know, I know people are gonna they're gonna bitch and moment because 717 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,840 Joshua Wilder not fighting each other, and I totally get that, but as 718 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,800 an event unto itself, putting that one significant fact to the side for a 719 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,000 quick moment. I get on promoters all the time when they put out press 720 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,239 releases and all that stuff, and they say, oh, it's a stacked 721 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,039 card, and it's like a piece of shit. This actually is a stacked 722 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,440 card. If it happens as we're talking, I would agree with you. 723 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,960 That's a lot of big names and some and a title fight too with the 724 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,039 with the Beavil. Just clarify, bevill fight would be a title fight, 725 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,199 yes, you have yes, and would also be a title fight if it 726 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:54,039 happen. So the breakdown is like this je Joshua and Wilder and legitimate separate 727 00:45:54,039 --> 00:46:00,360 fights. Four other heavyweight fights of varying degrees of interest, but nothing that's 728 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,440 a complete joke. And two other world title fights beevol against Rivera, who's 729 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,679 only loss was a very competitive loss to that do Jack and Opataia possibly, 730 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:14,199 although we don't have an opponent on the books yet. So that's a big 731 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,599 show of pre uh, you know, pre Christmas at a time in boxing 732 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:22,519 where there's very very rarely there's any activity over the Christmas holiday, and if 733 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:24,920 there is, it's nothing, nothing at this level. So it's interesting. 734 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,920 Look the Saudi's and what they're doing. They're changing the paradigm of a lot 735 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,719 of what happens in boxing. Now how long they're gonna do this for? 736 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,039 I mean they could be in today and now tomorrow, but it seems like 737 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,719 they're in this for the time being and money is of really no object. 738 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,880 We'll see if they can can get continue to do this, because they're gonna 739 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,400 host Fury and Husick come early next year, so that would mean Naganu fight 740 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,159 plus this fight card plus that fight they did, the Joshua Ruiz fight. 741 00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:58,760 When they did the rematch, you know a few years ago, they had 742 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:06,559 had that experience, so Joshua Usik rematch as well and Ruiz. It was 743 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,679 both Joshua Ruiz rematch George you said first, and then Joshua Usick as well, 744 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,440 and the Jake Paul Tommy Fury for whatever it was worth. So clearly 745 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,920 they're dipping into into boxing and big time events go where the money is, 746 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,280 and there is money there, like what you shared. All right, one 747 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,199 other piece of news before the nostalgia, and again we cover this. I 748 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,679 keep making reference on the bet Us show on Friday, we covered this, 749 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,320 but it had happened after we had taped our podcast that you learned and then 750 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,119 reported later Thursday night about Terrence Crawford being stripped. It's now official that the 751 00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:42,639 IBF says you're no longer our world welterweight champ. And oh, by the 752 00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,000 way, Jeron Boots in Us is our world welterweight champ. So give me 753 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:52,079 on this podcast your reaction to that. Going on, he fought Erl Spence, 754 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,039 he became the undisputed champion. He knew and everybody knew that he was 755 00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,000 gonna have Mandatorius to do. And the keeping titles together is very difficult, 756 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:05,679 and because they're the contract between Errol and Crawford had a rematch right, and 757 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,599 and Errol Spence exercised that rematch right. The IBF is crystal clear in their 758 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:13,599 rules they do not deviate from this. Uh. They do not allow immediate 759 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,679 rematch clauses in contracts. And so if Karence Crawford is going to go forward 760 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,440 in his next fight against am you know, for a rematch against Spence, 761 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,880 that's against the IBF rules period, end of the story. And so when 762 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,639 the IBF communicated with Terrence Crawford's representative, they were told that that was the 763 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,119 case. And so therefore, uh, they got around to finally doing what 764 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:36,119 they were going to do all along. It figured with with respect to them 765 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,320 having a rematch clause, they were going to strip him unless he you know, 766 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,559 went against the rematch clause, which then puts him into a legal problem 767 00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,000 and then too probably a lawsuit. And so they were like, you know 768 00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:50,280 what, he stripped and uh tron Ennis, who we allowed to win the 769 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,480 interim title. Uh, he's been elevated. And that's that's not unusual. 770 00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:57,679 This is the way things operate in the IBF often. Uh, And so 771 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,360 it's unfortunate, but it's not unexpected. I mean, the thing that drives 772 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,480 me a little crazy, is that we all want to see undisputed champion, 773 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:07,840 and it takes so long to get there, and they fight this guy and 774 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,639 there's all the mock and it just it's a long and arduous process to get 775 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,760 to the undisputed champion, and then you finally get it, and one guy 776 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,599 has all the belts and there it's just impossible to keep them for any length 777 00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:24,480 of time. The fact that Canelo Alvarez has now made three defenses of the 778 00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:29,280 titles undisputed is really nothing short of a miracle. Now, of all the 779 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,880 times that there have been four belt champions and no, no, none of 780 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,199 them has ever made more than more than two defenses except for Canelo, who 781 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,960 just made his third in the victory over Charlotte, who was part of the 782 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,119 same situation where he was undisputed at one fifty four, and after that fight 783 00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:52,159 began, he was stripped by the WBO because they had an obligation to Tim 784 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,280 Zuo, who was owed to fight, and they just followed what their rules 785 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,079 were. They let it wasn't a secret, it wasn't they did this underhandedly. 786 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,239 It was well known and boken up prior to the fight, so it 787 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,239 doesn't It doesn't impact Crawford in any negative way other than he's not undisputed, 788 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,239 but does not change his accomplishments that he has been the undisputed welterweight champion, 789 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:13,760 he was previously the undisputed junior welterweight champion, And actually, if you want 790 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920 to know the truth, all that does is save him three percent of his 791 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000 next person when it comes time to pay the piper on sanction phase. Hey, 792 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,719 good for Annis that he gets elevated. And I don't know if it'll 793 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,480 ever happen, but I would love an Ennis Crawford fight. If we're just 794 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,599 fantasy matchmaking, don't know that that would ever happen. If Crawford wants to 795 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,559 try to be undisputed again and go get the belt back, you know, 796 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:31,960 find my man. With respect to Ennis, you know he's a great talent. 797 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,039 We know that we've seen him fight many times. I kind of feel 798 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,559 bad for him, though, because you work your whole career the idea I 799 00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,239 mean, you want to make money, of course, but the idea you 800 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,519 want to you want to go in the ring, you want to beat your 801 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:45,440 opponent, you want to win a world championship, and you want to hear 802 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,440 the ring announcer say, and the new raise your hand, and you get 803 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,559 to celebrate. Hould the belt up, have a nice party, you know, 804 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,079 and and celebrate to a degree. And unfortunately, and I'm not saying 805 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,480 this in a put in a negative way, like a lot of people said 806 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,840 about Devin Haney, he got his title in an email. Basically he had 807 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,000 become the interim champion, which is exactly the same way that Haney won the 808 00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:15,239 WBC Interim Championship. And because of decisions that were out of his control or 809 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,320 in this case, out of Ennis's control, the champion was doing other things. 810 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,199 In that case it was Momachanko, in this case it's Terrence Crawford. 811 00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:27,800 And so therefore the title becomes vacant, and you are elevated, and you 812 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,639 don't get that moment where they raise your hand and call you the new champion. 813 00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,119 Now he got this hand raised and got to be called the interim champion. 814 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,840 But I never met a boxer in my twenty four plus years of doing 815 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,920 this, or almost twenty four years doing this, that said my dream in 816 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,599 life is to be the interim champion of the world. Right, they want 817 00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,239 to be a fucking champ. And he never got the opportunity for that, 818 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,519 and Devin Haney didn't either, and there's plenty of others, and so that's 819 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:55,760 the downside of this. In essence, his interim title fight was for what 820 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,960 would have been the vacant title. I guess they just they put the carpet 821 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:05,519 for the horse and it happens all the time. Okay, well, well 822 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,000 done laying out all of the news. Let's get to some quick nostalgia. 823 00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,840 Here's We've had a busy show and it's getting a little later here for us, 824 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,159 for both of us, and we're getting ready for a fight week here 825 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,159 that includes again that championship doubleheader coming on Thursday. We're gonna be right back 826 00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:22,440 with that, and then fights on the weekend as well. Okay, nostalgia 827 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,679 time, and some of it involves Sunday and some of it involves Monday. 828 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,280 My goodness, forty one years ago today, as we released the podcast Sunday 829 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:36,079 Night into Monday. Sunday is the forty first anniversary of one of the most 830 00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:40,760 phenomenal bouts, especially non heavyweight bounts, but with all the intrigue in and 831 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:47,360 around it political in the ring, great fighters Alexis Arguayo and Aaron the Hawk 832 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,639 prior Orange Bowl in Miami, and I just set it up this way. 833 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,079 I've told you this before, We've said it to the audience we've had Barry 834 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,719 Tompkins, the Hall of Fame broadcaster on from HBO. Tompkins said to us 835 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,679 more than a couple of years ago Dan Rayfield that of all the big time 836 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,559 fights that he has gotten to do, he probably points to this one as 837 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,559 the most memorable for all the different reasons and the action and the drama and 838 00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,159 the controversy after. So here we go, here we go, give me 839 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,480 a little bit more on this. While we were kids when this happened, 840 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,599 and now we're old, but we still remember. For yourself, I want 841 00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:24,320 to go with seasoned. On a Sunday night, we seasoned. Okay, 842 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,159 okay, season I mean very simply put, if you were ranking the top 843 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:32,199 you know, fifty fights in the history of boxing, this is probably in 844 00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,239 the top five of all the first I will say that, yes, you 845 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,199 know, it's not number one, it's definitely not number one, but it's 846 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,840 way way, way way up there in terms of the best fight in the 847 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,280 history of the sport for a lot of different reasons. Because it kind of 848 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,679 had everything in terms of I wasn't there, but what I have heard and 849 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,280 what you can see if you watched on the on the on the on the 850 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,880 video, that the atmosphere in the crowd, huge, huge stakes, two 851 00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,800 great fighters, two Hall of Fame fighters. Uh and the battle when the 852 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,599 bell went was just mind boggling how good it was. So to set it 853 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,880 up for those who haven't paid close attention, I tell people all the time, 854 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,880 I have obsessed over the Four Kings fights. You know, for most 855 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,880 of my life, I've kind of obsessed over Urgueyo prior for a long time. 856 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:21,360 Also, here you had Aaron Pryor who never got the opportunity to fight 857 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,760 the biggest names, Sugar Ray Leonard, for example, Tommy Hearns. He 858 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,280 fought Tommy Hearns and the amateurs. He was supposed to fight Sugar Ray Leonard 859 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,360 in the pros, but that was before Ray suffered the REDN injury and the 860 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,599 fight never ended up happening. So he didn't get that fight. But he 861 00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,480 you know, he was making a way. He was knocking a lot of 862 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,679 guys out, making exciting fights. He would get knocked down, he was 863 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,480 always in something dramatic, but he was a WBA junior welterweight world champion. 864 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:49,119 He had made five defenses and he still hadn't had the big fight. And 865 00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,280 here you have Argueyo, who was a beloved figure, you know, the 866 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,639 royalty in Nicaragua, if you will, had won titles at featherweight, at 867 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,280 junior lightweight, at lightweight at that time. And here we're talking about nineteen 868 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:07,119 eighty two. No boxer. Now it's become I won't say commonplace, but 869 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,840 lots of guys have done it. But at that time, nobody had ever 870 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,639 won world titles in four weight classes, and so it was a really big 871 00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,800 deal for him to be attempting this, to go up to one hundred and 872 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,480 forty pounds to win, you know, the a bonafid world title in a 873 00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,320 fourth waight class. I mean even three was you know, very young. 874 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,559 You know, it was pretty unusual at that time. You know, you 875 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:29,880 had a few guys that have done it, Henry Armstrong for example, who 876 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,440 had them all at the same time. So this was a big fight at 877 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,880 the Miami Orange Bowl, obviously a huge stadium, you know, big crowd. 878 00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,400 Arguayo the big favorite, given the Latino turnout, and they just put 879 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,639 on a spectacle. It was as brutal and but with skills, if that 880 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:47,480 makes sense, that you could ask for a lot of back and forth. 881 00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:52,360 Both guys showed just great chintz and they just they just battled tooth and nail, 882 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,440 and finally Prior in the end just was a bit too much and he 883 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,920 he scored a dramatic fourteenth round knockout. Now, of course there's the controversy 884 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:04,639 that took place that we can talk about with the you know, Panama lewis 885 00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,360 the trainer for Aaron Pryor. We get to that in a second. The 886 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,440 worst thing is the first thing is, you know, Argueyo was known for 887 00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:13,960 the Adam Baum right hand, as I like to say, constantly knocking people 888 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,599 out. And he hit Aaron Pryor with that sledgehammer right hand on three or 889 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,119 four occasions where a lot of lesser fighters would have been knocked down, if 890 00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:27,119 not knocked out. So Pryor was taking the punch, was firing back at 891 00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:34,800 Arguayo crowd roaring over forty thousand plus in attendance in that outdoor football stadium, 892 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,519 and then it kind of segues into the controversy in the championship rounds of a 893 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,800 fifteen round championship fight. So pick it up from there about what we would 894 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,239 later learn was behind Panama Lewis and no, no, give me the other 895 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239 water bottle, the one that Okay, So this is very famous. This 896 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:58,400 is between rounds thirteen and fourteen. The HBO audio you know, was doing 897 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,239 their job and they heard Panama say to the other second in the corner, 898 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,000 as he was going to give Prior what we thought is water, give me 899 00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:07,280 the bottle, meaning give me the water ball, and then he gives them 900 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,800 one. He says, no, the one I mixed, and so that 901 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,920 became like a a controversy like, well, what do you mean the one 902 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,039 you mixed? What was in it? Now there's been a lot of rumors 903 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,880 about what was in there. Uh, I guess one of the popular ones 904 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,599 is like it was peppermint schnapps or something like that to wake them up. 905 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,199 I don't know what the deal was. Obviously some people might have thought it 906 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:27,760 was some kind of illegal drug, but he wasn't a stimulant. It was 907 00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:30,960 stimulating. There's others, there's others that were trained by Panama Lewis that said, 908 00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:35,760 yes, he put it in my water too, and let's just be 909 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,920 clear. Hanama Lewis is known as like literally the biggest scumbag maybe in the 910 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,079 history of boxing. This is the man that took the glove padding out of 911 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,800 out of the padding of one of his fighters. Uh. You know that 912 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,960 caused you know, major damage to the other fighter, and you know he 913 00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,559 was basically suspended for life, uh from from the sport. But in terms 914 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,400 of what was in there, like I said, some people say it was 915 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,840 schnapps to supposedly calm down Aaron Pryor's stomach, as you said. Others thought 916 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,079 me there was some kind of illegal stimulant. In any event, whatever it 917 00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,719 was, that was after round thirteen, and in around fourteen out of a 918 00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,960 fifteen round fight, Aaron Pryor was able to score the knockout against it. 919 00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:13,760 And by the way, it was a great fight, and we mentioned how 920 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,559 great it was. The Ring magazine picked it as the fight of the decade 921 00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:22,239 for the nineteen eighties, so that's a pretty big deal. And they also 922 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,199 ranked them laughing because it's a fight in nineteen eighty two and you had eight 923 00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:29,400 more years of the decade. That's why I'm laughing. And and oh, 924 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,480 by the way, well they named it at the end of the decade, 925 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,880 at the end of the decade, right, but it also is a decade 926 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,280 that had Haggler Hearns in it three years later, So it just tells you 927 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,559 how great this night was. Yeah. Yeah, you can argue that it's 928 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:42,639 a better fight than Hagler Hearns because it lasted longer. It's a longer, 929 00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,719 more dramatic fight for sure, and the combatants were on the same level there 930 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,320 are. Hagler and Hearns are obviously great Hall of Fame fighters, but so 931 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,239 were prior in ARGUEO, so they all It kind of checked a lot of 932 00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,119 boxes. But it didn't just go three rounds. It went for fourteen that 933 00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,960 were just ball you know, balls to the wall for the whole fight. 934 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,840 So I can tell you is that if you've never seen it, it's on 935 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,599 YouTube the HBO full broadcast. I've seen. I have a beautiful DVD of 936 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:08,880 it in my collection, and as you know TJ, with my memorability obsession, 937 00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:13,360 I actually posed this question on social media earlier because because it was the 938 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,000 anniversary, I posted some of the stuff I have from the fight. One 939 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,159 of the things I do have in the fight is a program you think, 940 00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:20,960 all right, it's a program for the fight. They had it a big 941 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,719 stadium, you know, like you said, thirty forty thousand people whatever, 942 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:28,119 big you know, huge title fight, you know, historical attempt for argueo, 943 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,920 a defense for prior Hall of Fame level guys. You think, okay, 944 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,440 that ain't a hard program to find, Well, let me tell you. 945 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,559 I've been looking for programs from that fight for like going on thirty plus 946 00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,599 years in my entire life. I've seen three of them. I own a 947 00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:45,519 beautiful in my collection that I paid very dearly for and I don't regret it 948 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,920 at all. And I've seen two others over the years that were not in 949 00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:52,079 even close to that kind of condition. And the thing is, it's to 950 00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,400 me a mystery, why in the world is this program not not around? 951 00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,320 It was, like I said, it was a big stadium. They made 952 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,679 memorability, they made merchandise for the fight. I've asked people from top rank 953 01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,400 who promoted the fight, why was there? Why can't you ever find a 954 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,440 program in this fight? They have no idea what the answer is. So 955 01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:09,880 did anybody out there knows a great mystery of why a program from this specific 956 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,440 fight with that huge crowd that they clearly made programs for you don't even see 957 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,199 ratty ones. Like I said, I've seen three, and I've talked about 958 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,960 like with other dealers, collectors, eBay, auction houses, other people in 959 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,199 boxing. I know they don't exist. Interesting, So that's that's like an 960 01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,960 interesting scillite. And yet there are Your point is there are other fights around 961 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:37,000 that time period, whether it be the Leonard Durand two fights or Leonard Hearns 962 01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,199 around that time period, or Larry Holmes Jerry Cooney helped me with anything I'm 963 01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:43,559 leaving out. I know there were those longest fights in and around that time 964 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,280 and there's plenty of programs that you could find or get your hand. I'm 965 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,760 not saying dozens or hundreds, but you can easily on around that same time 966 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,960 period, get your hands easily on a really good program. Some of them 967 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,000 are scarcer than others. But for all those types of fights you just mentioned, 968 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,599 if you really stick to it, you're gonna find multiple examples, have 969 01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:05,960 your pick of different conditions and prices. And with this particular fight, for 970 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,480 whatever reason, it's just they don't exist. I mean again, I'm thrilled 971 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,800 to have one in my collection. I posted a picture of it. But 972 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,079 I wish I knew the answer to that. Why two other things? Again, 973 01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:21,320 the controversy was only the beginning of the end for Panama. Lewis with 974 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,760 that, and Aaron Pryor got the signature win of his career that he'd been 975 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,599 waiting for. And by the way, it's a phenomenal call by Barry Tompkins, 976 01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:31,800 the Hall of Famer on the play by play call, because prior is 977 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:37,639 just waylaying, alexis ARGUEO and the fight is finally stopped. I love the 978 01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,880 referees later a judge, I think he's still working professionally right As a judge, 979 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,599 I don't know so much as a referee, Stanley Christa Dulo is his 980 01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,320 name. He eventually jumps between the fighters yelling no, no, no, 981 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:52,679 that's it, and Barry Thompson's call at Argueyo's slumps to the canvas. It's 982 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,719 just a great moment and a great ending there. If you want to know. 983 01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,440 Some believe it's tainted by what happened in the corner with the stimulant. 984 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,119 It more than likely was in the water, So learn more about the fight 985 01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:06,039 if your character, first of all, And like less than a year later, 986 01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,400 they had a rematch Ye and Argueyo got knocked out in the tenth round 987 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,880 and you just realized he couldn't win. And there's the famous scene, the 988 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,599 moment of him sitting on the canvas with his arms wrapped around his knees, 989 01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:17,360 just sort of shaking. He said like, I can't possibly beat this guy. 990 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,320 It's the same sort of scene I always think about when I think about 991 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,639 the third fight between Morales and Paco, where Morales was in the same exact 992 01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,719 situation. I just can't beat this guy Paco, and he just basically called 993 01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:31,760 it a day, sitting on the canvas. But the HBO twenty the HBO 994 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:37,559 Legendary Knights thirty minute documentary is on YouTube. It is absolutely phenomenal. The 995 01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:40,039 whole series is phenomenal, but the episode on Argueyo prior was as one of 996 01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:45,000 the better ones and worth watching if you want to know some of the backstory 997 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,239 of the fight and how it unfolded with the controversial things we're talking about, 998 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,320 really good stuff. I again do not want to accept that that was forty 999 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:58,119 one years ago prior Aguayo one. Also on Monday, Bow Holy Field one, 1000 01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:00,639 you touched on the trilogy when we were talking about the fan Man Anniversary. 1001 01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:06,559 It is amazing that all these fights were around the same time in November 1002 01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,400 in and around those so Bow Holyfield won another great one to watch. And 1003 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,800 also Pacquiao Margarito thirteen years ago Monday, you were ringside for that one. 1004 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,760 There's time we could go for another hour on the nostalgia just off of these 1005 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,840 last two or three days. Well, Paccio Margarito was and I've said this 1006 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,679 before, if you were drawing a graph of a great fighters, a scent 1007 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,840 up the ladder to greatness and then when he maybe goes over that backside and 1008 01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:37,199 starts to go down more to earth than Peter's out. I've always considered the 1009 01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:43,199 Apex the absolute best of Manny Pacio was on the night that he defeated Antonio 1010 01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:47,000 Margharito. You know, he was just an unstoppable force at that point, 1011 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,480 and this was the dead middle of his prime, or I guess the end 1012 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,760 of his prime based on what I'm saying here, But that was an extraordinary 1013 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,199 event. It was the second time that he fought in a row at Cowboys 1014 01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:00,440 Stadium, but it was a bigger opponent, a bigger name opponent in Antonio 1015 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,880 Margarito. They were fighting for the vacant WBC one hundred and fifty four pound 1016 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,239 title, So by winning this was the record setter for Pracio, gave him 1017 01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:12,400 a he'd already had the record at seven weight classes. This made him an 1018 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,039 eight division world champion all the way from flyweight to junior middleweight, and he 1019 01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:19,559 never fought at junior bandam weight or bandam weight, So theoretically, had he 1020 01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,880 decided to fight there in campaign, maybe he could have won titles in ten 1021 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,400 different weight classes. And he didn't just beat Margarito. He beat the living 1022 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,079 shit out of Margarito, broke his face. Margito was never the same after 1023 01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:32,320 that fight. Late in that fight, you know, you could see him 1024 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,000 motioning to the referee Lawrence Call, are you going to stop this fight? 1025 01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,559 Or I need to kill this man? You know, Lawrence Call should have 1026 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,000 stopped that fight. Pagio should have had a knockout in that fight. Margarito 1027 01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:47,000 showed huge amounts of toughness, but he just This is also the kind of 1028 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,440 fight where the craw was. There was a lot of Pacio fans, but 1029 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:55,400 certainly because of bit where it was in Texas, huge Margarito fan base from 1030 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,679 the Mexican fans that were there, and the thing that always strikes me is 1031 01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,559 that, yes, they were fighting for the junior middleweight title weight limit one 1032 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,639 fifty four, but because Margaret was so much bigger than Pako, there was 1033 01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:09,599 a catchweight in the fight. The contract was one to fifty, so Margarito 1034 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,679 made one fifty. It wasn't a huge thing for him. He had been 1035 01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:15,000 a welterweight for a long time. He made one to fifty. But Manny 1036 01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,360 Paco fighting for the junior middleweight title one hundred and fifty four pound max weighed 1037 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,639 in like a schmidge over one forty four, so he was at welterweight but 1038 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:28,440 really almost down closer to her, halfway between welterweight and junior welterweight. And 1039 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,119 he still beat up the Jesus out of him, and it was just a 1040 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:34,199 dominating, very impressive historical performance. They give him the titles in the eight 1041 01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:39,639 way classes. You know, he won like twelve, eleven and ten rounds 1042 01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:43,880 on the three judges scorecards, and it was an extraordinary accomplishment for Manny Pacio, 1043 01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:45,880 historical in nature. You know, they say everything's bigger in Texas, 1044 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,159 including Rayfield showing up. It's always bigger if Rayfield shows up, including at 1045 01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:51,840 at and T stateiument. I've shared this with you before. They've had other 1046 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:57,840 world title fights since. Obviously Erl Spencer has fought pay per views there in 1047 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,960 the recent so is kind of mellow Alvarez and you were there for that. 1048 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,960 But that photo is up in the football press box of Cowboys Stadium at and 1049 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,880 T Stadium where the Dallas Cowboys play. This Pacquiao Margarito photo. It's a 1050 01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:19,079 huge like roof top looking down photo that's there and it's got the name played 1051 01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:23,960 on the bottom of it with the date November thirteenth, twenty ten. That 1052 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:30,559 photo is there amongst all the photos of concerts Dallas Cowboys, big wins and 1053 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,639 big moments in the Cotton Bowl that they now play in that stadium. So 1054 01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,960 it tells you what kind of big event that was thirteen years ago, and 1055 01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:42,239 you were right there. You were right there for that. Great stuff on 1056 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,599 the nostalgia, great stuff with Demetrius Andre And now we have this championship double 1057 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,679 header, so we have that coming later in the week, and then we 1058 01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:54,239 got more fights to preview on the weekend. So we've had a busy show. 1059 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:59,920 We've got again Shakur Stevenson e Manuel Navarati in separate world title fights coming 1060 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:02,559 Thursday in Vegas. Going to be a busy, busy weekend weekend, my 1061 01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:06,719 friend, anything else, it's good. I like it. We do like 1062 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,280 it. We do like it when it's good. Stuff with Demitrius Andre and 1063 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,880 again a subsequent upcoming interview with David Benavitez as well. That we'll be around 1064 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,679 the corner for now, my friend, have a great week this week. 1065 01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:20,599 Thank you Dan Rayfield for hanging out here on the Fight Freak to Night Recap 1066 01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:24,440 podcast. All right, let's have a good week, my man, Let's 1067 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,639 do it. I'm merely TJ. Reeves follow Subscribe to this podcast speed rates 1068 01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:31,239 and reviewers please. It is the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. You've been 1069 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,920 listening on the weekend, coming off the weekend to the Fight Freaks You Night Recap