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My name is John Reiners. I'm
fifty six years old. I grew up

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in South Dakota and I live in
Kentucky. I've been here seventeen years.

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I'm a registered nurse. I worked
at the hospital in Owensboro, Kentucky,

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and I've worked there sixteen years.
And at the time before my accounter happened,

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I'd been working on another medicurge unit, and when COVID came along,

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I'd been getting floated down to the
COVID unit. I was going to COVID

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unit quite often. One thing I'd
like to say really really quick about the

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COVID A lot of people think it
was a myth, overblown and whatnot.

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When I worked the COVID unit,
we primarily had people on mechanical ventilation,

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so we were getting the sick of
the sickest. They weren't admitting people unless

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they were really sick. Yes,
there was most people had to have one

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other issue before they really got COVID. But there was people that got it

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and died that was totally healthy prior
to But anyway, I was working the

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COVID unit and the other unit I
worked maybe a day or two a week.

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They would have to have a swab
because I was working on the COVID

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unit. They did not want the
COVID coming back to my other unit,

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so they would swab us. Well. The night of November seventeenth, twenty

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twenty, I worked the night shift. I was getting ready to work,

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go to work. It was about
i'd say, about five pm. The

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hospital calls and they tell me that
swab that you did this morning, you're

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positive you're not going to be able
to come in. So I thought,

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well, great, So that means
at that time you had to quarantine for

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seven days, couldn't come around the
patients. Like I say, the other

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unit I was working on had a
lot of vulnerable patients with compromised immune systems

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and so forth. So my other
dilemma was, at the time, my

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father in law was staying at our
house. He had early signs of dementia,

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and we were trying to help take
care of him, you know,

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trying to put off as long as
we can bring them to a nursing home

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and so forth. But with his
health and other conditions he had, I

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knew that he would be very high
risk. So I was a little bit

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of a quandary. So I called
my wife she wasn't in the house.

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She was out shopping with my father
in law, and I told her what

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the situation was, that I can't
come to work, and I had to

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come up with an idea. We
have a cabin up at rough River Lake,

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Kentucky, which is fifty six miles
from our house, and I told

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her, why don't I go up
to the cabin in quarantine and you and

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your dad just drive over to the
grocery store and I'll meet you there.

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So we did that, and I
had a list of things that I was

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going to need for the seven days. So my father in law and wife

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went in the store. They got
food that I needed, and I have

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a toolbox on the back of my
pickup, so we didn't have to contact.

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They just stuck it all in there
and I went on my wary way

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told those guys to go swab the
next morning, which luckily they were fine.

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So anyway, that's kind of how
the setup is on it. I'll

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give you a little bit of background
about myself. I my ready nurse.

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Like I said, I've also a
Coast Guard veterer, and I've been in

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the Coast Guard in the eighties and
went through the oil spill and got a

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life saving medal for some things that
we did. And anyway, since then,

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I started importing wicker and rotan.
Now I'm been in nursing for twenty

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three years. I'm a fishing addict. I fish all the time. If

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I'm not at work, i'm fishing
somewhere. I fish Rough River, Lake,

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No Lynn Dale, Hollow, Cumberland, you name it. So that's

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pretty much my hobby is fishing.
So what my idea was with the quarantine.

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At that time, I was writing
a fishing book and it was about

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funny stories about fishing. So I
thought, well, I'll make the best

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of it. I'll go up to
the cabin while I'm quarantined, I can

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work on that book. So I
did that, and then on the way,

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it's about fifty six miles, like
I said previous, on the way

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to my driveway to our cabin.
So about thirty miles up the road,

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I'm taking fifty four east from Owensboro, and I get to a really small

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village called Fordsville. Shortly after Fordsville
it starts. You know, it's pretty

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rural all the way, but it
gets more and more rural once I get

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through Fordesville. Then after I got
to Fordsville, I went on to sixty

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one, and that would have been
I can't I think it's north, So

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I'm going on to sixty one and
my goal was to get Highway one oh

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five, and when I get to
one oh five, I go south.

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So that's an eleven mile stretch.
So about ten miles in and this is

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pretty heavy woods hills. Between the
sets of hills, there's usually a farm

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with, you know, either tobacco
or corn, generally sometimes beans, but

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anyway, primarily corn and tobacco.
But this time of the year all the

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fields are shaved down to the nubs, so you can see pretty well out

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on these farmers fields. So about
ten miles in, I'm coming down the

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road and on the right side of
the road, I see some ice shine

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and it was whitish, kind of
yellowish, a little bit of yellow,

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but it was more whitish, and
I recognize right away that it was a

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deer and he was on the right
side of the road. Well, this

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blows me away. This deer.
He gets up on the highway and he's

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crossing so get I'm seeing the side
of the deer. He's on the right

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side going to the left. He
gets in the middle and he stops,

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and it was a nice buck.
If I was deer hunting, that would

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it would be what most people would
consider a trophy sides. I think it

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had six times on each side.
It was a nice big buck. But

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this deer, I know he saw
me, but he comes right on the

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road and stops. So this highway
that I'm on, it's a single lane

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or a two lane highway, you
know, one on each side. So

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as I'm heading toward I hadn't passed
a car for ten miles. I'm coming

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towards this deer. Waiting for the
deer to move. I start flashing my

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lights on and off a couple of
times. So as I'm approaching it,

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I realized I'm gonna have to slow
down because he's not and out of the

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way. So the deer's stand there
and he's looking off to the left.

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He's not even worried about me.
So I get up close to him,

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and I would say within twenty yards, I was almost stopped, like because

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this deer going to do anything.
I considered honking, but I didn't know

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what was going on, and I
didn't know if there was more deer coming

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up or what he was doing.
So I almost come to a stop.

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So then I look over to the
left. I'll guess I'm looking to see

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what this deer was looking at.
And before I tell you what I saw,

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on the left side of the road, there's a berm with trees.

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It's a ditch. It's maybe I
don't know, like fifteen feet off the

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road and it's it's a ditch.
It's not super deep, but it's filled

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with trees that kind of go along
the road. Well thirty yards past that,

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there's a second ditch with trees and
it goes maybe one hundred yards further

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than this this first ditch that's by
the road. So as I'm coming down,

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I see the deer. It's towards
the end of the first ditch by

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the road. So the other berm
is where he's looking towards the end of

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that, which extended almost one hundred
yards past the first berm. That's where

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the deer stopped in the middle of
the road, looking at the end of

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burm number two. And like I
say, that was about I want to

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say, thirty yards off of the
highway, so it wasn't too far.

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So I look over there and as
soon as I do. You know how

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your headlights are shining forward, but
then you get the shine off to the

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sides, and that's he was in
that side part of my headlights. I

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see orange eyes. Now when I
say the orange eyes, these things they

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had been about a size of a
silver dollar, I want to say four

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inches apart, maybe five. And
the weird thing is they were there three

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and a half to four feet off
the ground. So the only thing I've

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ever seen in my life that had
orange eye shine was a mountain lion,

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and I've seen those before, but
it just didn't quite look right because the

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eyes were so big and so far
apart. It seemed to be about the

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right distance off the ground. So
as I came close, like I said

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previously, when I got close to
the deer and almost stopped, I look

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back over in these eyes at the
end of the burm. On the end

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of it, I could see as
it came around it was actually on all

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fours, And the first thing I
saw was this big dark object in the

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eyes. They weren't glowing, but
they were shining and reflecting in the light

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like a like a reflector. And
I noticed it was on all fours and

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then I see this head. It's
a massive head. It was slightly conical

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shape, but it was more shaped
to me like a extremely large human being

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in the medical field, when you
get somebody very large. I don't know

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if people remember Andre the giant All
Star wrestler, he had what they call

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acromegaly. Well, achromagali. You
have very large proportions, and you have

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maybe like a rid above your eyes, and your skull is really heavy.

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It was like an extreme version of
acromagally, is what I saw. With

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the eyes. The mouth, from
what I could see, was closed.

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I couldn't really make out teeth or
anything like that. But this thing was

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walking like a spider. And when
I say walking like a spider, I've

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since done some research and if you
ever get on the Google, and I

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like to say the Google instead of
Google, people work't make fun of me,

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but I always call it the Google. So if you get on the

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Google and video and look for a
video of a ghost crab, that's about

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the closest thing that I've ever found
that it looks like if you watch a

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video of a ghost crab on a
beach. This thing had four limbs,

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but ghost crabs have eight but the
way it moved sideways forward stop, mechanical

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backwards, like it just turnstop,
turn stop, does all that kind of

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stuff. That's what it reminded me
of a ghost crab. So this thing

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is so then I look back at
the deer. The deer's still there,

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so I'm like, what in the
world's going on? At this point,

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I'm starting to realize what I'm looking
at over on the left side of the

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road. So as I come to
a stop, this deer bolts, he

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takes off, and I will say
when he took off, he acted like

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I noticed when he was standing there, he looked sort of tired, and

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I figured that it was his adrenaline
going and he was he obviously, since

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something was over there. But when
the deer took off, he wasn't running

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as fast as I would normally think
a deer would run. Because I've seen

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deer. I used to deer hunt. I fish. Now I can't afford

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to go fishing at hunting, so
I can pretty much fish. But growing

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up in South Dakota, I hunted, So when he took off, I

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didn't think he appeared to be at
full speed. But this, what I

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know now is a sasquatch on the
spider walk turns towards the deer. Now

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he's going across the field. He's
probably going at a maybe a fifteen degree

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angle away from the where the sasquatch
was going across this field. Well,

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as the spiderwalking sasquatch turns, it
starts moving towards him like really fast,

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fluid, and as it's running on
all fours, it all of a sudden

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raises up onto two feet. Now
I think it could have caught it on

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four feet, I really do.
I think he would have caught the deer

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on the four feet, but on
two feet he was I don't know that

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he got any faster. But the
whole thing was so fluid. It kind

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of reminded me of one of those
Transformer movies where it just it just looked

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unreal. It looked unnatural, but
it was so smooth. And what I

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thought about is why I think it
raised up on two feet. This deer

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had pretty massive horns on it,
and I was thinking that, you know,

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if you're gonna tackle, which I
assume from other stories I've heard that

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they'll tackle a deer break its neck, and I figured, you know,

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if I was on all fours.
I would probably get up on two feet

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dealing with those horns, because if
I was down at four feet, probably

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closer to the horns. As you're
tackling the deer, those horns are like

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let's stick your eye out and something
like that. So I see why it

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went up on all fours. But
as it took off, I had no

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doubt that it was going to catch
this deer. I did not see the

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deer get caught. They got out
of range in my lights. But what

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I did do as he took off, I started rolling my window down.

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I wanted to see if I could
hear anything. So this deer gets out

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of range the sasquatch chasing side of
arrange. So I was sitting there for

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a minute. Like to say,
there was no other cars on the road.

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This was around nine pm that night, and there was earlier. There

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was a sliver of a moon,
but it was so dark and cloudy that

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it was pitch black. But as
I gathered my thoughts over to my right,

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there was woods kind of right even
with my pick up, and I

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hear this crash and something coming through
the woods. So I thought, oh

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my god, there's something else in
the woods. Coming my way. Well,

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my pickup's only six cylinder. I
really couldn't squeal out of there,

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so I got out of there as
fast as I could. And what I

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think happened is this deer the reason
he looked so tired. I think he

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was being stalked from another creature in
the woods. I think it stalked him

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and maybe had been for some time. I know sometimes a deer when they're

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being stalked, they'll go places and
stall, but to rest and collect their

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thoughts and whatnot. But if it
was relentlessly being pursued by something that maybe

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eight hundred to one thousand pounds,
it was probably pretty rough on this deer.

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And I suspect this deer that was
at the end of this berm on

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the left side of the road had
been laying in wait as an ambush and

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the other one's job. Who knows, maybe there was more than one,

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but I think his job was to
drive him through those woods to get over

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on the open field. Then the
other one was camouflaging the felf on all

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fours at the end of that burm
to make it easy to pick them off.

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So on the right side, I
believe this thing was coming my way,

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and he wasn't going to stop.
Either he wanted a part of the

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deer, or he wanted a part
of me, or he was going to

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do something to me. But I
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So I went the extra mile up
the road, and that's where you

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get to the intersection. It's called
mcwadie. When you get there, there's

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a little convenience store on one side, and then there's a like a church,

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and then there's a little post office
that's not much bigger than a camper.

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So I pulled into that lot and
I was shaken. I was nervous.

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I was like, oh my gosh, and I was trying to take

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it all in on what I saw, and I thought to myself, you

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know what, I don't have anywhere
to be. It doesn't matter, So

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I'm going to drive back through there
and see if I see anything or hear

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anything. Well about that time,
here comes a semi down the opposite side

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of the road, headed towards me. I thought, Man, when the

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time he gets through there, anything
that's around there is going to be long

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gone. So I went ahead and
went up to the cabin. And so

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when I got to the cabin.
I sat down and thought about what I

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saw and this thing when when when
it was doing the spider crawl, Like

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I say, if you look look
at a ghost crab walking, that's what

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he looked like walking. But when
this thing stood up, I would say

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he was between seven and eight feet
tall. He was very muscular, but

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I've heard people say that muscular like
a weightlifter. This one that I saw,

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he was muscular, but he was
lean. He reminded me of some

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of these UFC fighters that that not
the heavyweight division that are very muscular and

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they're ripped, but they're not overly
overly stocky. For his size he was,

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I'm still going to say his shoulders
were three to four feet wide.

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He was big, and it did
come down to a v at the at

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the waist and from everything I saw, he was covered in fur or hair.

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But I would say hair because there
was areas you could see, like

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when it was it turned, I
think I could see scapulas through it and

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in the front. I never got
a look at the chest because when he

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was facing me he was on all
fours, but on his face I could

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see that there was skin. I
want to say it was dark, so

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I can't it was nighttime. It
was either gray or black, but it

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seemed lighter than the fur around it. He didn't have anything around the eyes.

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There was like a ridge above his
eyes, and I think that's where

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the hair started there. And he
probably had like a go tee with the

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side beard, kind of like if
you think of Abraham Lincoln, how his

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beard was that his hair came up
like that. It didn't have that.

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I could see a mustache because I
remember seeing the mouth and I didn't see

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any hair between that, and that
brings me to the nose. The nose

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looked hew into a degree, but
it was flat. It was kind of

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if you see a boxer. I
used of the analogy about boxing the UFC.

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I'm not really into that that much, but it's a good analogy.

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The the nose was flat, like
it's been punched a whole bunch. If

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you see human with the flat nose, you see a lot of the old

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boxers. So his nose was wide
and flat. Otherwise, it wasn't shaped

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like what you'd think of gorilla,
like when I've been at the zoo.

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It wasn't anything like that. So
the head I described that a little bit

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earlier, and it did look like
a human that has acromagically but just bigger.

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It had the like a heavy ridge. It was kind of jolly and

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it was it looked heavy like if
you were to head it. I think

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those bones are so thick on the
on the head. I think if even

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if you had a pistol and shot
at it, it was heavy enough that

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it looked like it probably wouldn't penetrate
the bone and get into any soft issue,

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honestly, but it really didn't have
much of a neck. It had

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to have some kind of a neck
though, because when it was on a

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spider crawl, its head was looking
up towards that deer. I don't even

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think he was cared about me.
I think he actually thought, you know

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what, I'll just take advantage of
this guy's headlights and I could see this

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deer easier. It made his job
easier. I don't think he was scared

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of me. I don't think he
cared about me one way or another.

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He would have if I would have
hit his deer. But I think it's

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mission. I think I interrupted a
hunt. I think I was right in

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the middle of a hunt. There
may have been more than the one over

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on the side of the road because
it just seemed like a perfect ambush place

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that something like I would think of
if I was hunted. But with that,

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it's pretty much the way I thought
and my theory. It seemed like

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this county I'm at where my cabin
is now up here, it was another

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I measured it out today on the
way up here to the cabin. It

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was seven miles from where I saw
this sasquatch my cabin. So in between

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it's a big lake. Well,
not very far from here, you have

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the Ohio River. The Ohio River
cuts Indiana and Kentucky a park, so

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where the river is I theorize that
these sasquats move up and down along the

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river bank. The river bank always
is a flood zone, so there's very

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few developments there, and I think
the rivers. We also have the Green

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River up by Spotsville, and some
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That's a whole nother thing. But
that's not that far from here either.

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So the Green River comes off the
Ohio River. So I think these

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things travel the river banks, and
the problem is when it gets to my

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hometown of Owensboro. Owensboro has a
significant riverfront with the high retaining wall,

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so they have a park right there
on the riverfront, and it's all developed

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in the downtown is actually right there
on the river. So I think that

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it pushes these things. If they're
following the river, they get close to

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Owensboro and they don't have a choice
but to either swim across the river to

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Indiana or to go way over to
Breckinridge County, Davis County. Davis County

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is where Owensbrough is, but you'll
see more sightings in the back part of

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Davis County, Ohio County, Breckenridge
County, back around before you get to

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Louisville, back down by the river. So I think it's a travel area

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and I'm finding out a lot when
I talk to other people. There does

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seem to be a lot of sightings
around here. The other thing I theorize

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is that Mammoth Cave is not but
sixty miles from where my cabin sits.

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I've talked to farmers all the time
that still find hidden entrances to caves around

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these parts of Kentucky that they didn't
know exist, and a lot of them

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from the university like U of l
and Kentucky. They research and they are

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finding more branches of these cave systems, and they think that they're all intertwined

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somehow. Maybe at some point they
all connect with Mammouth Cave. Now,

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Mammoth Cave is already one of the
biggest caves in the world. So now

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you got all these other caves.
Well, if you think about it,

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a cave year round is fifty some
degrees. Well, what a perfect place

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to spend the winter. If you
get nasty in the winter, it's a

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perfect place. You know, when
there's not trees on the leaves you need

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to lay low, or it could
be a migrating zone. But I think

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between those two things, I think
that this area has more sightings than what

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people realize. Some of them get
reported, some don't go reported. Like

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at the time when I saw mine, who do you report it to?

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I figured, if I call a
game ord and they're going to laugh,

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I call the police. What are
they going to do? You saw something

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out in the woods stalking a deer? So I think that so many people

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see things out here. And as
I talk around the lake to different people,

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you know, some people laugh and
so forth. That's fine, But

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a lot of people will pull you
aside and say, you know, I

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believe you because I've had this happen
or that happen. It's like when I

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worked at the hospital. You know, I still worked there, but when

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I was during the COVID, I
was on the nurses station one night and

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it was an unusually busy night.
Well at times, everybody's got to take

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a break. So we were all
in this nursing station. There was a

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couple of doctors sitting there, and
I think somebody was trying to stir it

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up a little bit. They said, hey, John, tell about your

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sasquad story. So at this point
it just happened like a month or two

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prior. So I thought, well, all right, I'll tell it.

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I'm not going to at fifty six. I don't care if people want to

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laugh or whatnot. So I told
the story just like what I just told

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here a minute ago. And some
of them giggled. And there was a

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doctor and one other nurse that she
sat there, and the doctor sat there

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and he didn't say anything, but
some of the other nurses laughed. Well,

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they got up to I guess they
went to go check on their patients,

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or maybe they went to human resources
to say, hey, the sky

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might be on drugs. You need'd
have them go into a little cup or

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something. You know, you think
stuff like that too, But I don't

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care to tell people, and I'm
not going to tell my patients that and

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have them think their nurse has something
wrong with them. But when the staff

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asks, I tell them. And
anyway, so the doctor and this one

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nurse stayed back and I said,
well, what's the deal with you two?

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You guys didn't laugh like everybody else. Then this doctor says, well,

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I believe you because I've got some
property that's not very far from where

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you had your sighting. And I
was up in a deer stand the year

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before and he saw one from the
deer stand. So this other lady,

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she lived over towards Fordsville, over
in Ohio County, on the back side

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of Fordesville, which wasn't very far, and they have property there that they've

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had something visit their apple orchards several
times that they had questions about. So

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I know they're around, and I
know they're around this area, and a

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lot of people here don't like to
talk about them, but I feel like

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it's worth sharing the story because there's
a lot of things that we can learn

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by sharing if you just hold it
in. I think that it's not healthy

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anyway. I think it's cathartic to
be able to talk about these things.

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So what really happened in the aftermath
of all this? Once I got to

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my cabin and I was working on
I told earlier that I was working on

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a fishing book, the stories about
me and my father, Funny fishing Stories.

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Seemed like it was a pretty funny
book. But it gave me time

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to finish that. Well. After
that, I thought I quarantined for the

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seven days. At the end of
my quarantine, I had to go back

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home the same way that I came. So I thought, well, I'm

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going to stop over in that area
and see if I see anything, maybe

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a carcass of the deer or something. So I got to the same area

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and I pulled over by the shoulder
of the road. I couldn't go on

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the property because it was private property, but since it was November, the

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fields were all tilled down to the
ground. Well, maybe I see a

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carcass out there because it was daytime, and maybe at least i'd see a

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set of horns land there. But
I didn't see anything, and it could

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have got further out of range with
it where it made the kill. But

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I know it killed this deer,
and it could be if it killed it

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there there, if you could see
the horns from the road, somebody could

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have gone up there and cut the
horns off. You'll see people do that.

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They'll see a dead buck on the
side of the road and they'll take

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the horns. So it could be
something like that. But I didn't see

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any more evidence, and there was
nowhere to really look for footprints or whatnot.

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It was pretty thick and brush you
right on the side of the road,

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and then you had the ditch with
trees and everything. There really was

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nothing to see. So then months
later I thought about it, you know,

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multiple times, and I was sitting
out at my campfire one night.

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I got a little fire pit here
at the cabin, and I started thinking,

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you know, I'm gonna start researching
and reaching out to others and see

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what other people had to say that
have seen these sasquatch on all fours and

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I'd heard other people staying it,
but I didn't know it was very prevalent,

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so I started checking around. I
reached out on a couple of different

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websites, and I got After I
started finding information, I thought, you

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know what, there's never been a
book about the sightings dealing with Sasquatch on

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all fours, and so I started. The more information I started gathering,

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I started asking people that I was
talking to, do you mind if I

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write a book if I use your
story? And sure most of them say

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yes. There's several times I've talked
to people then they shared their story,

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but then didn't want the story out
there in public. I've had other people

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I've talked to They've told me,
yes, use my story in your book,

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but just don't use my name.
Like there's one lady she's a mayor

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in a town. I won't say
what town it is, but she did

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not want her name for you know, obvious reasons. So there's people to

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talk about it. Some of them
want to be anonymous. Some of them

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don't care if you like me,
don't care if you use their name.

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Other people share, but then they
kind of back out because they're timid or

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they don't want people to think ill
of them. If you know, there's

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some non believers, and adults can
be bullies, just like children bullying is

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wrong. I see people bully on
Bigfoot websites. I don't know why people

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join some of these sites so they
can go in there and bully people.

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I go on those sites to see
what people have to say and learn.

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You know, sometimes some stories sound
fabulous, but my story to me doesn't

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sound fabulous, but to another person
it would if they've never seen anything.

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So I don't know when other people
have seen other things that they've told me

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about. I can't dispute that because
a year before my sighting, I would

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have thought somebody was a little off
if they told my story. So I

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go on those sites and like to, you know, be helpful and contribute,

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not ridicule. And so I think
that the Sasquatch community there's good people

408
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.119
in there, and there there's some
of them that want to attack people.

409
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:06.440
But I'm find writing this book it's
really fun. I'm finding a lot and

410
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:11.680
at this point I'm halfway done.
I hope to publish it by February.

411
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.559
I don't know if I'll use the
same book publisher I did my last one

412
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.559
or not. I haven't decided.
But in the meantime, it's great to

413
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.000
learn, and like I say,
I don't think there's ever been a book

414
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.839
that I've seen that deals just with
the spider cross sightings. I've reached out

415
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.119
to several anthropologists to try to get
some information from them that I can use

416
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.480
in my book and so forth.
So I think that in between the sightings

417
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.279
I've gotten, I've reached out to
a game warden that might be willing to

418
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:44.640
talk, So I'm hoping to get
some more besides just witness testimony, maybe

419
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:49.359
some mechanical information from an anthropologist that
can have some insight on how the muscle

420
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.839
groups would have to work and how
a creature would be able to do something

421
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:59.680
like this on all fours and the
spider moving the moving sideways forward back,

422
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.039
and then other people see them running
on all fours. I've talked to several

423
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:08.319
witnesses that saw him running like really
fast. So I find the whole subject

424
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.480
fascinating. So that's where I'm at
right now, is writing this book,

425
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.359
and that's pretty much it for now. That sure does sound like an ambitious

426
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:26.519
project to me. Well, my
last book that I wrote was about phishing

427
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.599
stories, so that was all stuff
from my memory. I'd never written a

428
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.480
book before. It took me a
while, so I wasn't prepared how difficult

429
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:38.799
this would be because this is a
lot more labor intensive. It's contacting witnesses,

430
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.559
it's getting information, it's getting back
in touch with them, getting more

431
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:47.480
information. Then you start writing.
Then you realize, oh boy, I

432
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.640
don't have a color of all the
talk and I did to this person,

433
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.440
I didn't never ask what color it
was, so then you'd contact back what

434
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:59.240
color was. Then you think of
one or two other questions, and then

435
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.759
other ones. I've actually had written
a whole chapter, and then the person

436
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.359
decided not to go through with putting
their sighting after over half five or six

437
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:12.240
hours invested in, you know,
putting all their information together and contacting them

438
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.119
and then writing the chapter about their
sighting. Which that's fine. I'd rather

439
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.799
know ahead of time before I would
I use up all the time to write

440
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:25.000
the chapter. But I'm finding it's
a lot more work than what I've bargained

441
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.759
for. But it's rewarding and I
think at the end, I think it's

442
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.240
going to be a pretty cool book. I still like to use the word

443
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.720
cool. I know kids like that, but I feel like I'm a big

444
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.240
kid. I'm an adult, and
I still do things that some people might

445
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.799
think child, I still like to
go fishing. I get excited the night

446
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.720
before I can't sleep. So this
is getting kind of making me feel good

447
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.400
and constructive, like I'm doing something
that's gonna matter. And as such,

448
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.680
I contacted this young man, this
lady I work with. There was one

449
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:59.519
day he was doing some drawings for
their church for a book and I said,

450
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.200
boy, he's really good. And
I said, do you think that

451
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:07.839
he could draw sasquatch for me on
all fours? And I wanted this book

452
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.039
cover to be totally different. And
the thing that's really cool is, you

453
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.319
know the young people. He was
into graphic novels. So I thought,

454
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.079
you know what, let's see what
we can do. So I spent a

455
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.279
long time. I met the fella, and we spent a lot of time

456
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.759
talking. And the first time I
contacted him, I was on the phone

457
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.119
and kind of tell him. I
described what I saw, and at the

458
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.680
end of the phone call, he
goes, before you get off the phone,

459
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.279
look at you. I just send
you a picture that I drew And

460
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:37.039
I said, well, when did
you draw it? And he said,

461
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.599
well, I drew it while we
were on the phone. I said,

462
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.720
you got to be kidding me.
I can't mind the task like that,

463
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.200
but he sent me destroying That was
a rough outline drawing, but it was

464
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.039
good. So then we spent another
hour and a half on the phone.

465
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.759
We really got into it and he's
got all these computer programs and his artwork,

466
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.559
and next thing you know, we
end up we're almost done with the

467
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.000
cover, and I think it's going
to be different from any kind of book

468
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.599
anybody's ever seen. And the picture's
fascinating. If you go on Google pictures

469
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:12.039
of sasquat spider crawl on the internet, if you get on the Google,

470
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:17.480
you won't find but I think I
found three pictures that represent a sasquat spider

471
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.319
crawl and there's very few images.
So I think this is going to be

472
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.359
an image that people will be able
to look at and say, that's what

473
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.319
I saw. And this kid was
very in tune. I think sometimes younger

474
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:34.759
people, I say he's a kid, I think he's sixteen. He's not

475
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.920
really a kid, but a teenager, older teenager. But I think sometimes

476
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:44.640
people that age they notice more things
around them, and sometimes they're very good

477
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:49.640
listeners and pick things up. You
know, some people are very silent and

478
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.079
they just listen to adults and pick
things up, and others aren't. This

479
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.400
kid learns quickly from me talking to
him. When he drew the picture,

480
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.240
everything that I described to him,
he had indeed tail down to that.

481
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.640
In this I never really saw really
good on the spider, but it looked

482
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.720
to me like it was on its
toes and fingers. I know its toes

483
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.720
were its feet were bent down,
and it was on its hands. It's

484
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.359
on the picture. He drew it
on its fingers and toes, and he

485
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.039
did a phenomenal job. I was
really proud of him. So anyway,

486
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:25.160
that's that listening to you describe that
book and everything that's going to be in

487
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.400
it and the picture that's going to
be on the cover. I think cool

488
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:30.839
is a good way to sum it
up. It does sound like it's going

489
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:35.279
to be a cool buck. If
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490
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491
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492
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Slash podcast finding Sasquatch Eyewitnesses. John. It'sn't all that hard anymore in this

493
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.640
day and each but how much trouble
have you had trying to find eyewitnesses who've

494
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.920
actually seen them spider crawling. Well, I've had and had trouble finding.

495
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:07.160
Put it this way. I've had
a lot of people come forward some stories

496
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.559
I haven't been able to use because
they really weren't crawling. And I appreciate

497
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.480
it. I told them up front, I really like your story and appreciate

498
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.800
it. But there were stories that
I couldn't really use because I didn't want

499
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.159
to get It's kind of like years
ago when I used to goose hunt as

500
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.320
a kid. You'd be by the
Missouri River and they'd give you a shotgun,

501
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.440
and when the geese fly over,
people just point up in the air

502
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.320
and shoot when they see a flock
of geese. And one older man that

503
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.440
hunted with us told me, pick
one goose and shoot it. If you

504
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.599
shoot to the flocks, you're going
to miss everything. And I feel like

505
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.360
it's the same way with this Sasquatch
book. My premise was to set out

506
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:51.960
with spider cross sightings, so if
they devate away from those, it's going

507
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.679
to distract from the book and the
stories. You know, there's other great

508
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:59.559
books out there that have the other
kind of sightings, but I wanted to

509
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.119
sense a books the limited size,
you know, I wanted to make sure

510
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.199
that it was just dealt with the
sasquatch spider crawl. Now, some of

511
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.159
the witnesses had several sightings, and
I included those as long as one of

512
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.239
their sightings were on all fours because
I think it kind of gives them more

513
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.159
context if they've seen something before.
It kind of is interesting to have them

514
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.320
compare what they saw on two feet
versus what they saw there. So those

515
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.119
stories I've included in them in there
too, but I'd like to stick just

516
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:32.880
with the spider crawl type of episodes. I think they're very mysterious. They're,

517
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.599
to use another word, very creepy
and frightening. And my theory is

518
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:44.920
that a lot of these sasquatches used
to not hear is about people saying they

519
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.639
saw them on all fours as often. But I theorized that with all the

520
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:54.320
development and all the we're encroaching as
our population gets bigger, we're encroaching more

521
00:35:54.360 --> 00:36:00.880
and more into areas that were formerly
wilderness. I think these things are adaptable,

522
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.719
and I think that they have the
foresight to know well, I don't

523
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.480
want to be seen like standing right
out here. I think if I dropped

524
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.280
all fours and I'm in these bushes, nobody will see me. And that

525
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.800
brings me to another point. I
think that a lot of times when we're

526
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.639
walking through the woods, we look
at eye level, we look at things

527
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.079
that are eye level. We don't
always look down, we don't always look

528
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.440
up. And the other thing that
we look for motion. I think that

529
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.679
there's lots of hunters, lots of
hikers that walk right past these things that

530
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.920
are either just stalped on all fours
next to a tree. From the periphery,

531
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.440
you just write it off as a
stump, or they can squatch down

532
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.679
and fold their head down. It
looks like a stump from the distance.

533
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.599
So I think a lot of that. And then also people don't look up.

534
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.519
There might be one in a tree
that they didn't think to look up

535
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:51.360
there. So it's kind of like
I would put it like if at a

536
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.679
grocery store, if you're marketing a
grocery store, you go into the groceries

537
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.239
and all your higher prices are all
at eye level. The stuff that the

538
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.599
store makes the most money on,
they put everything at eye level on the

539
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.800
shelf. Now they'll put your bargains
where you have to work at it and

540
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.360
squat down and get low or get
really high up and reach that's where your

541
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.000
bargains are. And I think that's
just human nature because they know that we're

542
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.199
going to look just straight ahead and
look at what's at e level. I

543
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.000
think the same thing with fishing.
If I'm going to bank fish somewhere,

544
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:22.760
I don't go to the place.
If I'm going to just fish at a

545
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.199
park, I look at where the
worn out places at the pond, where

546
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.840
everybody's setting their lawn chair, those
are the place of the fish sea all

547
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.280
the time people coming. I'm the
type of going to wear some waiters or

548
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.480
boots. I'm going to go off
into the mosquito and snake grin and weeds

549
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.199
on the backside, and I will
guarantee I'll catch more fish back over there

550
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.440
than sitting on my lawn chair up
front. And I think it's just the

551
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.440
way when we're in the woods,
I think that we're fairly noisy. We

552
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.679
would like to think we're quiet.
Even hunters that are really good at their

553
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:59.840
craft usually have to stop up on
a tree stand or whatnot to sometimes get

554
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:04.119
so of their trophies because those animals
get wise and they can hear us come,

555
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.800
and they know what an unnatural noise
is. Anything that's on our clothes

556
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.639
isn't going to make natural noise.
So I think that it's a matter of

557
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.760
with this being on all fours,
I think that they've adapted and they can

558
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.519
drop down just as another way to
hide. And I think they also can

559
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.000
stalk, like what I saw.
I saw him stalking those deer, and

560
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.360
I think that the deer gets confused, they don't know what's going on.

561
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.199
It is really amazing how they can
just drop down on all fours and be

562
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.239
of fluid when they do it.
But then again, they do so many

563
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.079
things that are just so hard to
wrap your mind around. Do you think

564
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.199
you still would have written that book
if you wouldn't have seen them Spider Crown?

565
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.400
I am almost sure that I would
not have because I didn't really know.

566
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.000
I mean, I've heard of it
before then, and since I've researched

567
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.039
it, I realized that it was
You know how usually when somebody develops a

568
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:01.159
product, they do it. What's
these saying necessity is the mother of invention.

569
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.760
I just found out it was necessary
to have a book out there.

570
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.440
I couldn't find many resources when I
was researching it. There's not published resources

571
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.639
that really talk too much about the
spider crawl. So I thought, well,

572
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:16.480
why don't I be the one to
put a resource out there to get

573
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.840
people started and interested. But I
honestly think I probably would not have had

574
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.159
I not seen it, because I
wouldn't have really known that it was an

575
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.960
under if we're a lack of a
better term, underserved area of the sasquatch

576
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.159
world that just doesn't get talked about
a whole lot, and just starting to

577
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:35.559
hear about it a little more now. But even on a lot of the

578
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.559
websites that are four bigfoot, when
I've asked about witnesses, a lot of

579
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.480
people say, what's a spider crawl? What does that mean? On all

580
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:46.280
fours? So even people that are
familiar with Bigfoot and follow there's a lot

581
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.599
of them that don't know about it. That's a good point. Yeah,

582
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:57.199
that is a side of them that's
almost totally untouched. Several things about how

583
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:00.280
these spider crawl are awfully hard to
explain. If you take them to be

584
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:06.800
ordinary creatures with no special abilities,
do you think they do have special abilities?

585
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.599
John, or do you think they
don't have any at all. I

586
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:15.280
think that their special ability is high
intelligence. I think they're more intelligent than

587
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:22.920
anything else that resides in the woods. I don't know what they're more intelligent

588
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.480
than a human, but I know
they're more intelligent than a human in the

589
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.280
woods in their realm. I think
that these things communicate. There's too many

590
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.440
witnesses that have seen or heard language. I think they have a language,

591
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.480
so I think that they can pass
stories on and I think that that's why

592
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.400
they have a healthy respect for humans. I think that these things know,

593
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.519
oh, I could kill that human
and no time, but they also know

594
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:52.880
from hearing other stories, when a
human disappears or gets hurt, there's a

595
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.199
whole bunch more human show up into
the woods. Well, if I lived

596
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.119
in the woods, that's the last
thing I want, so I would probably

597
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.760
try to walk that peron out of
the woods, or stay hidden or scare

598
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.159
them away, because if they heard
a human, I think they're smart enough

599
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.000
to know that we'll come in the
woods with guns and so forth. I

600
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:14.079
think they know what guns are,
and I'm sure they've observed people hunting,

601
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.599
and you know, I don't necessarily
think that some of them would get dropped

602
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.440
with the gun, but even if
you're really big, it still doesn't feel

603
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:27.639
good. If you're getting hitting the
knees with the hammer or hitting the chest

604
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.199
with the hammer, you're probably not
going to mess with it too much.

605
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.960
And I also think there's extreme cases
where some of these sasquatches have maybe gotten

606
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.360
so out of hand that military has
been brought in. There's several good stories

607
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:45.639
out there are people that have had
times where the military was involved, And

608
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.400
I think that the government knows about
these things, and I think they'll send

609
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.000
the military in at last resort if
they have a nuisance one. So I

610
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.480
think that as these things talk and
communicate, I think they are pretty smart

611
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.000
and notice stay away from humans for
the most part. I don't know what

612
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.000
if they would be more intelligent than
humans, I would say they are when

613
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.679
it comes to their realm in the
woods. I think they're way more intelligent

614
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:12.960
than we are when it comes to
the woods. That's just not our Even

615
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.440
as good of a hunter as the
best hunters we've got, I think,

616
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.719
as good as people can be in
the woods, these things are way much

617
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.880
better because they've evolved and developed in
the forest. Oh sure, no doubt.

618
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:29.159
Yeah, I think the fact that
they have alluded detection and there's still

619
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.199
not proven to be in existence is
all the proof you need to back up

620
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:36.599
that statement. So yeah, I'd
say you're definitely right. Do you think

621
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.800
the fact you saw him spider crawling
change the impact that sighting had on you

622
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:44.119
compared to how you would have been
affected if you would have only seen them

623
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:49.599
on two legs? I do.
I think that a lot of the stories

624
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.880
I've heard on your show and stories
that I've talked to people for this book,

625
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.800
there's stories out there that are definitely
scarier than mine, but for me,

626
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.119
scary enough. I was inside of
a vehicle and I didn't feel like

627
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.840
it when I heard that crashing on
the side in the woods on my right

628
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:09.519
side. I didn't feel like if
the thing really wanted me, I think

629
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.599
it would have caught up to me
before I could have sped out of there.

630
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:15.400
So I didn't feel one hundred percent
safe, and I didn't know what

631
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.079
else. You know, you get
to looking at one thing, something could

632
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.280
come up behind me. I had
one deciding that flaty I talked to in

633
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.719
a book, they were looking forward
at one to one come up behind their

634
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.920
car, So you know, you
got stuff happen like that. So it

635
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.039
was scary. But I know if
I saw it on two feet, I

636
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.239
would be probably just as scared.
I kind of feel like I was more.

637
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.960
I would say the word horrified.
I think I would have been scared

638
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.639
if it was on two feet,
thinking oh my god, this just became

639
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.360
real, But then seeing it down
on four it made it more mysterious and

640
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.280
more unexplained, more like, even
though it was moving, bless and blood,

641
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.360
it seemed more supernatural on four feet, I think is the best word

642
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.800
I could explain that. It's no
contest with me. I'd much have to

643
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.480
see one on two legs, even
if it was twelve feet tall. There's

644
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.440
just something so creepy about them spider
crawling. Yeah, I just don't think

645
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:19.440
i'd want to see that. Yeah, if you don't mind, I've got

646
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.639
permission from one lady if I could
share one small I won't give you every

647
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.320
detail because it's so much more to
it than this, but one story that

648
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.159
I've worked on with a spider crawl
up close, if I could share a

649
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.559
quick one, yeah, please tell
us. Okay, So there's a couple

650
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.599
in northern Alabama. She works in
the city and her Her husband's in an

651
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:44.480
Air force at the Air Force base
there. Well, they had recently moved

652
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.239
to that area and both of them
are turkey hunters. Well, they researched

653
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.400
in Alabama where the best place to
get a turkey was, and they found

654
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.760
this county called Barber County and there's
a land mass there that a public land

655
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.400
masks. I think it's like forty
some thousand acres. So they thought,

656
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.360
well, I think it was April
when the hunting season was gonna be,

657
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.519
so that November. There's a campground
there. It's kind of what they call

658
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.599
a dry campground, and it's open
year round, so you go up your

659
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.000
own risk and you know, weather
the elements, but it's a you know,

660
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.119
they have like cleared out sites and
so forth. So they have a

661
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.519
small tear drop camper. They decided, we'll go spend a couple of days

662
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.480
up there. We'll park the camper
and we'll learn the area, go on

663
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.800
foot, go through all the trails, and kind of see come springtime where

664
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.719
we'd like to to turkey hunt.
So they did that. They spend the

665
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.920
whole day out there looking around,
and they were gonna spend that night there

666
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.559
and then the next day do the
same thing, spend the night, and

667
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.559
leave the next day. So they're
gonna stay two nights. So that first

668
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.480
day they walked all day, walked
all over and they were really enjoying themselves.

669
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:51.880
So they come back to their tear
drop camper and they've got a lawn

670
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.159
chair. It's kind of part sideways. There's a fire pit i'd say about

671
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.360
fifteen feet in front of them.
The couple, man and woman sitting in

672
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.800
their lawn chair with their back to
their camper and joining their fire. So

673
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.719
all of a sudden, the wife
says, you know, while we're sitting

674
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.079
here, I've just thought about I
haven't used my turkey call in a couple

675
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.400
of years. So she got her
turkey call. Now this is dark already,

676
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.039
you know, it's fall. It's
probably not too late. So she

677
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.440
gets out of her camp or her
turkey call, and she's sitting there at

678
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.679
the campfire for twenty minutes practicing different
kind of calls. I can't remember the

679
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.079
name of the calls, but she
was like rattling off all the different types

680
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.880
of calls and anyway, so she
did this for like twenty minutes, and

681
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.880
all of a sudden, her husband's
like, honey, look and at the

682
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:44.480
end of their campfire, over on
the left side, maybe about another ten

683
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:50.159
yards past the camp there's this spider
looking animal with the huge human head,

684
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.880
human shape head, she said,
bigger than a human. But it wasn't

685
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.960
there again. This one didn't have
a big crest on it, but had

686
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:01.199
come around the trees and the camp
site and looked at it, and she

687
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.920
was scared of death. She quit
doing the turkey call. But the thing

688
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.760
like moved forward, sideways forward,
didn't get too close to the fire,

689
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.719
and then it wasn't long before the
husband said, oh my god, there's

690
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.239
another one. The one on the
right come out of the trees, and

691
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.880
it was on all fours. It
wasn't as big as the one on the

692
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.599
left. So the one on the
right starts coming up, but kind of

693
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.079
more timid than that one. So
this other one on the left kept getting

694
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.360
closer and closer and closer. She
says. She got it within about twelve

695
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.599
to fifteen feet of this thing,
and she didn't know what to do.

696
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.760
She said, I was paralyzed.
I couldn't scream. And she said,

697
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.360
these people that say, why didn't
you get a picture? She said,

698
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.599
I thought I was gonna die.
That's the last thing in my mind.

699
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:50.079
I thought about getting the camera,
and her husband all of a sudden starts

700
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:54.360
saying the Lord's Prayer out loud and
slowly. The one on the right backs

701
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.880
up, the one on the left
slowly backs up, and both of them

702
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.519
go around and stand up and take
off through the woods. They never had

703
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.280
another encounter that night. The rest
of the night, it was really late

704
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.599
and it's a really far trail they
go down to the camping, so they

705
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.639
were scared to hook up and get
out of there, so they stayed awake

706
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.440
all night putting wood on the fire. As soon as sun up came,

707
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.280
they got out of there and never
came back. But they actually went the

708
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.360
following spring and went hunting. Can
you imagine how long of a night that

709
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.719
must have been for them, Well, you could tell. When I was

710
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.840
talking to her, she broke down. Her husband had a consoler, and

711
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.000
both of them were shook, and
they said it was the scariest, longest

712
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.599
night of their life. They could
not get the stun to come up fast

713
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.239
enough. But she said she really
thought that if they got in their vehicle

714
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.880
and drove, it's like a trail
road that goes down in this campground.

715
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.519
She said, it's about a seven
mile drive out of there. So she

716
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.199
said, I just had visions of
us being a more danger if we got

717
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.760
in the car, so she thought. She said she felt like the fire

718
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.199
kept him a little bit honest.
So they kept putting firewood on there.

719
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.480
That enough would for a couple of
days worth the fire. So she said

720
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.639
they used it all that night.
Wow, those poor people. Yeah,

721
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.360
I'd say they did make the right
decision by staying all night, But definitely

722
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.880
wasn't an easy decision, no doubt
about that. No, she said,

723
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.239
they did what they made a business
decision me and the business of living.

724
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.119
Yeah, I'd say they did.
You said, the one you saw was

725
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:28.159
on his fingers and toes John when
he was spider crawling. But did it

726
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.480
look to you like you might have
been on his belly or did it look

727
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.719
like his belly was off the ground. His belly was definitely off the ground.

728
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.960
I've had some people tell me they've
seen their bellies actually on the ground.

729
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:43.599
This one, I want to say, it was three or four foot

730
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:47.119
high where his face was at,
So he was his arms and legs,

731
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:52.719
And that's another thing that comes up. Their joints do not seem like they're

732
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.519
in the right place. For if
you kind of picture a human being in

733
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.400
our anatomy, you kind of picture
where our elbow is our knees, they're

734
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:06.840
roughly like right in the middle.
This thing seemed like it had longer four

735
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.599
arms, and they were so the
arms were stretched out like you think,

736
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:15.559
almost like a linebacker lining up in
a football game. But its arms were

737
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:21.079
stretched out and then bent down.
So it's kind of hard to explain,

738
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.519
but I think it put it it's
belly. There was at least a foot

739
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:28.599
and a half of air in between
his belly and the ground. The joints

740
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.400
on the legs just seemed to spread
out so far and then fold down.

741
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:36.400
They weren't folded close to the body
like if you see a I don't know,

742
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.400
like a chimpanzee. I've seen videos
of them on all fours their limbs

743
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:44.920
are closed. These seem like they
were extremely long and then bent down.

744
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.920
And where they were bent, they
elbows had to bend further down the arm

745
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:53.719
than ours. And the same thing
with the knees. That'd be so freaky

746
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.199
to see. Well. One of
the things too, that I noticed when

747
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:01.320
this thing stood up after it started
to the deer and rose up on two.

748
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:04.800
It didn't bob like we do.
You know, when we jog,

749
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:08.920
we even a good runner, their
head bobs to a degree. This did

750
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:13.440
not bob. And I think part
of it's because their knees are lower and

751
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.119
when they take steps, it keeps
them fluid, and I think it makes

752
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:21.599
them faster because they're not wasting energy
with the bobbing up and down. Every

753
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.719
bit of calories they're putting in there
is to motate forward, and they're smooth

754
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.199
their head. If you watch the
hat, it did not bounce. If

755
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.480
you think about it, Joggers are
taught not to bob up and down when

756
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.280
they run. It's more efficient to
just keep your head leveling as smooth as

757
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.679
possible. Like you said, so, yeah, maybe there's something to that.

758
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.559
Yeah, it's kind of if you
ever think of a do you ever

759
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:51.239
see a flamingo. A lot of
people think that flamingos are bending their ankles.

760
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.679
Funny, those aren't actually their ankles, those are their knees. Their

761
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:58.880
knees are way down just above their
foot, so they look weird when they're

762
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.760
walking. Be something you know,
similar to flamingo. Maybe they're maybe not

763
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.239
to that extreme, but maybe these
joints are lower and it gives them some

764
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:12.119
kind of more muscle mass on those
calfs and whatnot. I'm not sure,

765
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.960
but it seemed like the way their
joints are put together is made for the

766
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:21.199
type of movements that they're doing.
And I think that Spider movement goes right

767
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.480
in that wheelhouse of having the specialized
joints to be able to do that.

768
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.360
Well, they're able to do the
things they do for some reason. Then

769
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.320
you just might have hit it on
the head. It's hard to say,

770
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.800
yeah, it's it's no tanneling.
I mean, I guess over the years

771
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.719
we'll learn more and more. Well
we might or might not, Huh.

772
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.920
These facts are pretty slow to come
by. Yeah. Part of it,

773
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.920
though, I think that people in
the in the Bigfoot community kind of eat

774
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:51.760
eat our own. Like I see
people like I was talking about earlier,

775
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.320
getting on the websites and going after
people, and then they'll say when somebody

776
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.719
else calls them on it, well
I believe I just didn't believe that part

777
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.199
of their story or whatever. But
I think that keeps the progress from happening

778
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:07.280
when people are trying to tear each
other down instead of helping and saying,

779
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.039
you know, maybe people be more
constructive, like, hey, that part

780
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.559
of your story, I have something
in common with that. I saw it

781
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.960
move the same way, and then
you start talking to that person and you

782
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.239
can kind of build on that and
learn instead of attacking people. There's always

783
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:25.559
the cups half full. You can
always find in somebody's story is something that's

784
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.840
worth exploring. Oh, sure you
can. Yeah, you're right. The

785
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.320
Bigfoot community is definitely it's on worst
enemy. Unfortunately. Well, it's about

786
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:38.480
time for us to call it here, John, But before we do three

787
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:42.360
things about your book. Number one, do you know what the title is

788
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.360
going to be? And then number
two, where are we going to be

789
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.719
able to buy it after it is
published? And then number three, when

790
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.039
do you think it is going to
be published? Okay, well, I'll

791
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.440
start backwards and work forward. I
think it'll be published. My target is

792
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:02.880
February, and the publisher my last
book I published on forty eight Hour Books.

793
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.440
They don't have it on Amazon.
I've been working with Amazon. There's

794
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:13.800
a few things that I won't get
into all the little details about it.

795
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.280
There's a few things that I like
about selling them on Amazon, and a

796
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:21.159
few things that I don't. So
if you put on Amazon, you have

797
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.119
to do an ebook first before you
can do the regular book. And there's

798
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:28.639
a few other things that I'm looking
at. But if I don't do it

799
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.719
on there, I'm not sure at
this point how I'll marketed. It would

800
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.679
probably just be like the last book
I had. They put articles in several

801
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.679
newspapers and I had good success with
that and so forth. So if it's

802
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.559
not on Amazon, I haven't decided
yet at this point, out of market

803
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.760
it. Well, it goes with
that saying, I sure hope it flies

804
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.920
off the shelves, and I'm pretty
sure it will. Please do me a

805
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:55.039
favor after you do publish that book, Please let me know so I can

806
00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:00.880
post a link to that book in
the description for tonight's show. Well,

807
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.840
Vic, I'll sure do that.
I really appreciate that too. Oh glad

808
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.960
to do it. Well. Having
said that, John, I can't thank

809
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.079
you enough for coming on and sharing
the details about your experience and for coming

810
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.280
on to tell us about your book. Well, thanks a lot, Vic,

811
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.280
I really appreciate it than anybody listening
out there. Just remember to keep

812
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.480
an open mind when you're talking to
people. Our experience each might be unique.

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Maybe somebody else is saying something different, but keep an open mind.

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Let's talk to each other and see
if we can't put some of the pieces

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of the puzzle together. That's very
well said. Yeah, we're going to

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get so much further ahead if we
work together instead of fighting, so I

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hope more people will remember that.
But having said that, thanks again so

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much for your time, John,
and have a great night. That's it

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for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio
with Vic Kundiff. If you've had a

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sasquatch encounter and would like to be
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to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit
a report. We'd love to hear from

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you. Thanks for listening, have
a great night.