1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,519 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham far As incident involve 3 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:15,320 aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads. 4 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:18,640 Also really standing into clearing. He turned over to my father and held 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,239 his hand, and he looks in his eyes and said, we're not alone. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,760 Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show. During the show, feel 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,880 free to participate live in our chat room, and don't forget to like us 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,479 on our very active Facebook page. Hello, and welcome to the show. 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,960 Well, we had a little bit of technical difficulties. We got through it 10 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:47,159 and the show is on. So tonight's guests, we have two of them 11 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:52,719 is John Semple and Jack Roth. They have a film out about abduction, 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,960 and you know, if you're a long time listener, you know that I've 13 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:02,640 been kind of on the fence about that whole situation. It's a pretty compelling 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,319 film. I did watch. It's called Extraordinary of the Seating and it's it's 15 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:12,319 coming out on September three, coming right up, and we're gonna be talking 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:19,040 about that and also a whole bunch of other things. Will. I'm sure 17 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:23,040 we're gonna sure, we're going to touch on before them. I do have 18 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:27,840 Alejandro Rojas coming up with UFO updates and so there's a lot going on the 19 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:30,640 news. We'll be talking about that. I want to thank everyone helps out 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,480 with the show, and anyone can do that. All you have to do 21 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,760 is go over to podcast ufo dot com and check out how to help us 22 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,719 out over there. Also, I forgot to mention last week we have a 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,200 blog up on doctor James McDonald and the UFO problem. That's the name of 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,079 it by Charles Lear, a very well written article. Check that out. 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,760 That's also over at podcast ufo dot com. We also have a Facebook site, 26 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,239 Twitter and all that stuff that we're supposed to have. But anyway, 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,599 that's off talking for me. Alejandro, welcome to the show. Hello, 28 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,200 thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Yes, as always, 29 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:10,039 Alejandro, as always, we have a lot of fun. So we're coming 30 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,319 right up in just a couple of weeks. I will see you out at 31 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:17,520 Phoenix. I'm really excited. Yes, yeah, yes, and unfortunately not 32 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,000 both of your guests will be there, but Jack will be there, but 33 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,879 John will be there in spirit because they both have a film in the film 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,039 festival, the one you just mentioned you'll be talking about here and so good 35 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,560 luck to those guys, and it's a you know you saw. It's a 36 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,960 very very well done film with a lot of In fact, some of our 37 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,520 other speakers are in there, including Richard Dolan, Chase Kletsky, I think 38 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,479 Melinda Leslie's in it, who's going to be at the conference as a vendor. 39 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,759 So yeah, it's kind of a cool thing because it's it's a lot 40 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,599 of the people that you know and we'll see there at the conference. So 41 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:59,319 there's stiff competition when it comes to the films. Jeremy Corbell has his two 42 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,800 films in there. Many of you are probably familiar with Tim Crawford from UFOTV. 43 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,759 He's got a couple of films and now he sponsored films before, but 44 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,080 these are the first he's like really directed and produced himself. But they're very 45 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,680 well done. So there's gonna be some really tough competition there for for j 46 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:22,199 three, But they've been winning film festivals all over the country so by now 47 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,879 they're used to winning, so hopefully there for them, their winning streak continues. 48 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,120 Yeah, yeah, so what is happening in general, what's going on 49 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:35,400 in general? Well not I wasn't going to talk about a general. Actually, 50 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:38,639 I was going to talk about an admiral. So this is something I 51 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:43,919 wrote for the Roswell Daily Record recently. However, I have more pictures if 52 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:47,520 you go to my blog alohundrot rohas dot com and see it there and links 53 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:53,520 and stuff. But essentially, Brian Bender was at the Aspen Security Forum a 54 00:03:53,560 --> 00:04:00,560 couple of weeks ago while many of us were at mouf on actually, and 55 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,400 this is a really important forum at the Aspen Institute with you know, all 56 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:10,879 of the top level officials when it comes to defense, defense contractors, defense 57 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,240 writers, and many people in the military. And in one of those forums, 58 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,920 Bender was actually going to be there to moderate. Of course, he's 59 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:25,839 the guy who was also in an unidentified and he's broken some UFO stories recently, 60 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,680 including the fact that the Navy was rewriting their UFO guidelines reporting guidelines. 61 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Well, in one of the forums unrelated about China and defense issues related to 62 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,800 China, Admiral Davidson, who's in charge of the Indio Pacific Command, so 63 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,680 a big portion of the Navy, was asked by one of the guests about 64 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,000 UFOs. The guy was embarrassed when he got up an ass and he kind 65 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,920 of stumbled through the question. He didn't really even get the whole question out, 66 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:59,199 you know, he was just asking about UFOs. The crowd unfortunately laughed, 67 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:02,680 but Admiral Davidson didn't, and he said, yes, you know, 68 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,959 we've got new reporting guidelines for UFOs, and he also added this, I 69 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,560 want to he said, I want to note that you know, this only 70 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,639 happened during a finite period decidings that had been reported, and that was about 71 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:19,399 all he said. So what I was curious about, what I analyzed, 72 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,480 was that comment. What did he mean by a finite period of time? 73 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,639 Brian Bender I asked him, and he said he thinks that what this guy 74 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,639 meant is that they're not happening constantly everywhere all the time, that they're just 75 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,360 happening in these short periods of time. No doubt that's probably accurate. Of 76 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:41,079 course, we've heard from unidentified over a couple of cases two thousand and four 77 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:46,040 outside of San Diego and then twenty fourteen and fifteen outside of Florida. But 78 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:49,120 so he's saying, you know, even if there are other cases, they're 79 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,560 they're kind of one off type situations, not like they're just contending them with 80 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,879 these things all of the time. And from the witnesses we've heard from, 81 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:00,240 you've had several on or you've had at least Kevin Day on so Vy, 82 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:03,959 you know, this wasn't something that happened regular So that's why it was so 83 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,600 important when it did happen to them and they did get, you know, 84 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,800 confront these unknown objects. But Tyler Roegaway has been writing about this and I 85 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,800 asked him about it also, he's a defense writer. You've had him on 86 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,120 the show for the Drive, and he says that he agrees that it's accurate 87 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,000 their finite periods of time. And he's been honing in that in both of 88 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:30,600 these incidents in twenty fourteen, twenty and two thousand and four, that there 89 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:34,120 was new radar technology that was deployed in both of those instances when they started 90 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:39,800 seeing things, and that could be a factor that leads to the possibility of 91 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,519 human origins for these things. The problem with that, as he is admits, 92 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:54,120 is the technology and the characteristics that were displayed by these objects is beyond 93 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,519 what we have right now. It's definitely a technology that it defeats the physics 94 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,680 as we know it currently, and he admits that that makes that harder to 95 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:09,120 understand what these are. But you know, in his defense to people who 96 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,879 would probably criticize him to say, oh, you know, if it's beyond 97 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,560 what we can do, how can it be human? We don't know yet, 98 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,480 and this is how you investigate, and it's great. I love what 99 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:23,000 Tyler is doing personally, and what the Navy said on honing in on this 100 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,680 being a finite period of time may give us some insight into the Navy's thinking. 101 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,079 At least the admiral may have been briefed on investigations where that is a 102 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,759 factor. They're looking at similar factors that Tyler rogue Away is looking at to 103 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:41,920 try to determine if there is, indeed, you know, a foreign government 104 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:46,839 that has had some sort of technological breakthrough. And of course if that's true, 105 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,720 that would be a big deal. That was something that you know, 106 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:56,959 somebody one of the lawmakers recently, what Mike Walker, you know, he 107 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,319 wrote a letter to the Navy wanting to know more, and he highlights that 108 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:05,319 same issue. So a lot still going on in Washington and with the you 109 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:11,079 know, military around UFOs, publicly. So it's still a hot topic out 110 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,720 there, another hot topic. Wait, wait just a second, if we 111 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,560 could before we move on from that. Um, I just you know, 112 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,879 I'm wondering. You know, we have you and I have talked about this 113 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:28,240 before. We have seen these characteristics or people have noted these characteristics of these 114 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,839 vehicles, you know, long long ago, you know, way way back. 115 00:08:31,559 --> 00:08:37,720 Yeah, I'm thinking it's more to do with what you mentioned earlier, 116 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,000 our new technology. Perhaps they're always there, Perhaps they've always been there off 117 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,960 and on, you know, finite like a the Admiral set. But perhaps 118 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,240 we can only just begin to see them. Um. You know. And 119 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:54,480 anyway, I think a lot of it has to do with our technology. 120 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:58,279 I think that is another great possibility. In fact, I taught to a 121 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:05,200 guy I knew, an older gentleman. He in Colorado and right now his 122 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,200 name eludes me. Franklin Carter. Great guy. He actually took over a 123 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:13,039 UFO conference in Cheyenne, Wyoming. But he was in the Navy way back 124 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,320 during the dow Line during the Cold War, where they were part of the 125 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,279 ship set. Would watch for anything coming. They would, you know, 126 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,600 go right up to the water they're up against where they can closest to Russia 127 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,240 as possible to monitor what Russia is up to. When they instituted a new 128 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,600 radar system that he was in charge of, he was the radar tech. 129 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,879 This happened. They started seeing things way up in the sky. They were 130 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:43,480 reporting them, and eventually, you know, every time they saw something like 131 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,919 this that would go thousands of miles per hour or something, they would call 132 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,600 up Franklin and say, hey, Carter, you know we got another problem 133 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,080 with radar. Come check this out, and he would verify that there wasn't 134 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,840 you know, a problem with the radar. In fact, when they would 135 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,759 get these they started calling him Carter's contacts. They'd be like, Carter, 136 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:01,799 we out another one, and he would come check it out. Wow, 137 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,440 well, they had technicians and everything come. Finally, he asked some of 138 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,000 the other radar techs on some of the other ships, hey, you guys 139 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,039 have this new radar. Aren't you guys seeing this stuff too? And they 140 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,759 said yeah, but we're not going to report it. It's too much of 141 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:16,480 a headache. People make fun of you. You know, there's all this 142 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,240 paperwork and bureaucracy, and so they wouldn't report it at all, which is 143 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:24,759 something that you know, we hear quite often from people in the military. 144 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,600 So there's two reasons that's important. One, it speaks to your theory or 145 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,080 your idea that perhaps we're just seeing more and that they're staying out of our 146 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,799 radar and once we increase our radar capabilities and we can spot them and then 147 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,840 maybe they move away further or something like that. That's I think a valid 148 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:46,399 point. The second thing, though, is why it's so important that the 149 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,240 Navy said they have UFO reporting guidelines and take it seriously those you know, 150 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,600 people in their laft. Tyler rog Away even said that was discussing that some 151 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,240 of his colleagues would laugh at this question. But that's kind of the reaction 152 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,639 that people have, And I think that's the importance of the Navy saying this 153 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:09,720 is important and we want to hear from UFO reports to say that they're taking 154 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,679 it seriously. It's not a laughing matter. It is something serious. I 155 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,679 think that's the main function of the rollout of these reports, because no doubt 156 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,000 they well we already know they already have reporting systems and processes for important things 157 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:28,360 like this, So I don't know that that's becoming more robust, but it's 158 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,759 more of a message that hey, we are taking this more seriously. Do 159 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:35,399 send those reports along. But I think you have a good out there. 160 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,039 I was talking about hot, and I was talking about hot in the desert, 161 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,360 not just here in Phoenix, but in the deserts near Area fifty one, 162 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:48,200 where people millions of people are threatening to gather in a few weeks here 163 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:54,360 on September twentieth, well just yesterday, Lincoln County said that they are going 164 00:11:54,399 --> 00:12:01,960 ahead with plants to declare an emergency due to this store Area fifty one thing. 165 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:07,039 Now, they also, interestingly enough, I guess, release some permits 166 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,240 to some of the events because people are taking advantage and they're holding concerts and 167 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,919 campouts and parties out there. So there's a lot of that sort of thing 168 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,039 going on, and that's what these guys are preparing for a lot of times. 169 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:26,519 When emergency declarations are made, it frees up emergency funds, and they 170 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,039 probably need these funds, hopefully to keep people safe. This is a desert. 171 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:33,279 There's no gas anywhere around there, there's no water. There's only a 172 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,320 couple of small little places that don't have a lot of facilities. So I'm 173 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,080 imagining that they're going to try to make sure and provide facilities, also have 174 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:50,639 security and emergency personnel, a lot of first responders ready for whatever may happen. 175 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,799 Now, hopefully it's just an innocent party, maybe even some talks about 176 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,879 UFOs. I'm actually in talks with someone who asked me, Hey, do 177 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,080 I want to come out there, you know, talk about UFOs during this 178 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,159 whole thing, And I may, but of course I don't want anybody to 179 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,399 pass the gates. And that's kind of the theme of all these parties. 180 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,320 Don't pass the gates, but let's party. Some of them are thinking and 181 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,279 make money, whereas others are activists and they're thinking, well, let's highlight. 182 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,639 Let's say, hey, we think this is important, we want to 183 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,840 know more about this topic, and make that kind of the whole thing as 184 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,759 opposed to trying to do anything illegal. I would imagine, I know we're 185 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:30,639 out of time here for the news, but I would imagine that they're going 186 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,360 to be very prepared for something to happen. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm 187 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,000 not saying Rachel, but I'm going to say Area fifty one. I believe 188 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,159 that they'll probably be ready for something. Yeah, this is Lincoln County in 189 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,639 particular that asked for the emergency declaration, so I think it. Yeah, 190 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,080 it's going to be more at a county level, and no doubt there is 191 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,759 some sort of base involvement as well. Right, Alejandro, thank you so 192 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:58,919 much. Thank you have a great show. All right, I sure will 193 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,759 you bet talk to you next week? Yeah, all right, everyone. 194 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,600 The guests we have tonight, they are part of J three Films that was 195 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:13,919 formed back in two thousand and one and they have extensive ties to the uthology 196 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,639 and paranormal fields. They were going to talk to them about their previous film 197 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:24,159 of The Stand Romanac Story as well, and anyway, their new film, 198 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:31,200 The Seating is getting a lot of exposure and as Aljandro mentioned, is winning 199 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:37,559 a number of awards, so we're gonna be talking about the whole thing, 200 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:43,440 all right, So welcome to the show. Jack and John, thanks for 201 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:48,159 having us. Yes, this is uh, this is great that you two 202 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:52,399 could both be on. I do appreciate that, and I know you must 203 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,600 be very very busy right now because it's just coming right up. You're what 204 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,720 is it? Is it? Two weeks? Your show premier two weeks from 205 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,759 today? And where where does it premiere. It's going to be available on 206 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:13,399 every digital download, pay per view platform, so the iTunes, Google play, 207 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:22,759 Amazon Video, and Xbox forms or Xbox platforms and uh PlayStation, Voodoo, 208 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,879 Vimeo. So wow, if you're if you're watching video or listening to 209 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,799 music on a platform, chances are pretty good it'll be on there, all 210 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,279 right. And that was the voice of John Sample and Jack. You two 211 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:39,919 got together and did did one of you have more of an interest in UFOs 212 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,159 and that topic than the other? Uh? How did this all happen? 213 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Well? Initially, yes, I was. I had already kind of been 214 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,320 down the rabbit hole and this is going back. Oh boy, we can 215 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,919 go way back. But let's start maybe ten years ago. Um, we 216 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:03,679 were we were talking about doing a documentary and I was already fairly familiar with 217 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:07,519 the ufology landscape. And I and I had a couple ideas, we need 218 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,399 to do something really compelling, really really cool. We need to find a 219 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:15,279 cool story. And uh, John was coming at it. We're filmmakers, 220 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,840 but I, again, I had that interest in the topic, and um, 221 00:16:21,039 --> 00:16:25,039 it worked out well because when we when we decided on the story we 222 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:27,679 were going to tell, which was our first documentary. The one we did 223 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,720 extraordinary, the stand Romanic story. Um, we knew we found the great 224 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:37,559 story. But it's great because John came at it more from Okay, I'm 225 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,919 gonna I'm gonna step back and be you know, learn as I go along 226 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,399 with all of this stuff that we're finding out and we're discovering, and keep 227 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:52,320 that filmmaker kind of distance uh and objectivity. Um. And I was able 228 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,480 to do that too, but I was also able to offer a lot of 229 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:56,919 information as far as look, this is what's going on, and as far 230 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,639 as ufology is concerned, this is what's been happening for the last seventy years. 231 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:04,839 So it was really kind of good combo for us because we're able to 232 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:12,240 mix, We're able to maintain that filmmaking uh kind of stance uh and be 233 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:18,119 objective in a way we're telling the stories, but there's also uh, there's 234 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,880 an understanding of the topic that we're that we're delving into. Uh huh. 235 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:29,480 Now, Stan was the fourth guest on my show here Uh boy, we're 236 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,240 going back just about eight years close to eight years ago, and um, 237 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,279 um no, there's a lot of controversy in all different types of ways with 238 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,920 Stan of course, you know what he was found guilty of, And the 239 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:45,640 timing worked just about the same time that I saw your film go up on 240 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,880 network, the Netflix. That was the timing about the same time. Yeah, 241 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,160 it was. It was a very interesting journey, to say the least. 242 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,759 We we premiered the film at the Fort lauder Day International Film Festival in 243 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:07,319 November of twenty thirteen, and January of twenty fourteen is when Stan had his 244 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:15,240 legal issues as well as just I think January was the interview with Peter Slattery 245 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:21,319 that had the flipping pencat and then a month later was the announcement that he 246 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,400 had been arrested. So those things couldn't have come at a worse time for 247 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:30,119 us because we were playing We were in the process of talking with distribution opportunities 248 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,799 for the film, and once all that happened, it was those conversations ended. 249 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,039 The only way that they would be interested is if we recut the film 250 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,799 and focused on his current situation. And we're like, well, no, 251 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,440 that's this film is about a time in his life from two thousand to twenty 252 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,000 ten. That's what we focus on. That's the timeline in the film. 253 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:53,839 So we kind of said we're gonna stick to our guns. We're going to 254 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,440 release it as it is. But we did the independent route and we created 255 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,799 a website allpov tv and distributed it self distributed the film there. Fast forward 256 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,319 three years twenty seventeen. January of twenty seventeen, we get a phone call 257 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,839 from the Orchard out of the blue saying we're interested in repping your film. 258 00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:18,440 So it was released initially the same way on digital platforms, and then they 259 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:23,359 send a screener copy to Netflix executives and they didn't even have to pitch it. 260 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,039 They looked at and they were like, we love the evidence in the 261 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:29,559 beginning, you know, Dune deal. We'll have it on Netflix in a 262 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:37,119 few months. So that timing was I think sometimes I say it was a 263 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,519 coincidence, and other times I'll say, well, there's no coincidences. But 264 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,400 we had no We weren't reaching out to anybody. We made no effort to 265 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,559 try to connect to a distribution opportunity. Our only thing was that we knew 266 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,000 that there were people who invested, and those people who had invested in the 267 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,799 film needed to make their money back. It was more of a loan than 268 00:19:55,839 --> 00:20:00,920 an investment, not an investor. Situation, but we had no that we 269 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,119 owed people money for and once that opportunity presented itself, we were like, 270 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,440 yeah, sure, we'll distribute the film. Just the timing of it happened 271 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:15,319 to be when the Netflix drop was was right at the time of the I 272 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,839 would say, the crescendo of his court dates. So that was drew a 273 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:25,400 lot of attention to his case and the film, and detrimentally so to the 274 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,319 film because a lot of people went into attack mode based on the event on 275 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:36,160 YouTube and also the legal issues, which we completely understand and don't blame anybody 276 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,559 for reacting the way that they did. Well I understand, yeah, I 277 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:45,759 do get all that. And one thing I would have to say about Standing, 278 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:52,720 you know he uh, there's no reason for him to have um embellish 279 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:56,799 embellish of the way he did um you talked about slatterly when he was on 280 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:03,880 that show, because everyone that I've talked to that has known Stand had known 281 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,279 him in the beginning, said, you know, things do actually happen around 282 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,559 him and this These are people that you know, I hesitate to say their 283 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,480 names on air, but these are people that are serious in the UFO topic, 284 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:23,279 that have experienced weird things. You know, it is. It is 285 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:30,119 unfortunate. His legal situation is very unfortunate, and and I think, well, 286 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,839 I would have to say, you're extremely lucky in my opinion to have 287 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:40,519 that break and be able to hopefully recoup your money back on that overall. 288 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,880 What made you decide to move on and create this other film, Well, 289 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:52,880 I would say the one thing that we learned from making the first one was 290 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,279 that there are a lot of stories out there. There are a lot of 291 00:21:55,279 --> 00:22:00,079 people who've had experiences that they felt like the seeing the film and the fact 292 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:06,920 that it was getting the kind of attention that it was helped them realize that 293 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,400 they know their experiences were similar and that they weren't crazy, and they were 294 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:18,559 We received it was over seven hundred messages on our Facebook page alone and dozens 295 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,519 more through email with people saying, thank you so much for getting this film 296 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,559 out there. You know, I know I'm not crazy. I've had similar 297 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:30,119 things happened to me. So that was really an interesting point for us, 298 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:37,440 because initially we weren't all in on making another uthology film, and that realizing 299 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,079 that there was a humanity element to this where people were being affected by their 300 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:48,000 experiences and mostly shunned by general society for those experiences. We felt that we 301 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:55,039 had a chance to do more work, tell more stories, and add a 302 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,920 more humanistic storytelling approach to it that brought these stories to the masses, as 303 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:04,880 opposed to targeting a group of people who a demographic that already believes so our 304 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:11,880 approach and the second film was to introduce fresh faces with the people who have 305 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,920 had experiences. The three principal people had not had their stories very well known 306 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,680 when we first started, although one of them has turned into a little bit 307 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:26,240 of a rock star over the last year. And Geraldine Roscoe, her story 308 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:30,599 is out. She's leading a lot of people through discussions and trying to help 309 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,799 them with their experiences, and we can get into that a little bit more. 310 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,160 But when we started making the film, we realized throughout the course of 311 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:44,440 production that we had a different story to tell. And I had like an 312 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,039 epiphany during it that this was not about phenomena, this was about the people. 313 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:53,079 So we needed to move forward with a story that connected people to people 314 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,920 as opposed to just focus on the events, the lights in the sky, 315 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,720 the evidence. We want to tell a more human story. Uh huh, 316 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,480 that's interesting. Now, I, as I mentioned in the beginning of this, 317 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,240 I, you know, have been kind of on the fence about um, 318 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,720 you know, abductions. But then I've also kind of corrected my thoughts, 319 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:22,359 my personal thoughts about that in such a way to look at it this 320 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,400 way. I do believe in certain cases. And if I believe in those 321 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:33,000 certain cases, UM, like, for instance, the Betty and Barney Hill 322 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,519 case, UM, Travis Walton, who I've talked to a number of times 323 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,160 face to face, and then several there's several of the allagash Ins, and 324 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:48,960 there's several of them that I are just too compelling for me to say no, 325 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,880 that that couldn't happen. The Pasca Googla case is another one. UM, 326 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,960 So I do believe that. Um if whoever it is, and I'm 327 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,799 not saying aliens, I never like to say aliens, but whatever it is 328 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:08,039 is visiting us here from wherever they're visiting us from, UM, you know 329 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:12,519 they're going to be not just landing and going away. You know they're going 330 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:17,559 to be looking at the biology here. And you know, there's so many 331 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:22,960 things that could be related to this. Cattle mutilations is interesting, and you 332 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:29,880 know there's just a lot of things that are possibilities of whoever these visitors are, 333 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,720 you know, could be possibly doing. The Where where I get a 334 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:41,039 little I kind of get blurry eyedis when it gets into the reptilians and you 335 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,079 know, I know that was part of your film, and the thoughts and 336 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,599 then the seating, the actual you know, the main part of your show, 337 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,799 you know, the hybrid children. But I want to talk. I 338 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,920 mean, that's hard to swallow that, and I think it's hard to swallow 339 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,680 for anyone who's not involved in this. And so I want to start out 340 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,359 by saying, how did you vet the people in your in your movie? 341 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,079 Well, we spoke to dozens of people, and we had long conversations with 342 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:17,559 them, and you know, they told us their stories and a lot of 343 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:23,160 them wanted to share their stories, but there were some who were afraid to. 344 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:27,599 They were tentative about it because they were depending on what their situation was, 345 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,400 whether a relationship situation, we're married, they have kids, they're part 346 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,720 of a involved in the community, could have been a professional reason where it's 347 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,160 because this is a social taboo. They they told us their story, but 348 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,359 they didn't want to go on film. One of the things you mentioned, 349 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920 though, Martin, that's really important to understand is that that's one of the 350 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:57,680 reasons why when you it is very difficult to swallow the idea of hybrid children 351 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:07,319 and this kind of hybridization programs being done by ets as part of the abduction 352 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:14,279 process of the abduction phenomena. But what we've tried to do is lead people 353 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:18,759 down a path and start at the very beginning and start with Okay, look, 354 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,599 here's this one man stand romanic who's seeing strange lights in the sky, 355 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:29,519 and then all of a sudden he's seeing daylight craft and there's groups of people 356 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:33,839 that are seeing it with him. So I think, once people understand that, 357 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,759 okay, I can wrap my head around. And I went through the 358 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,920 same process you did, I can now wrap my head around. I always 359 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,839 believe that there was life on other planets, that there were extraterrestrial life forms, 360 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:51,319 and then I pretty much objectively kind of started to I was pretty sure 361 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,720 that they somehow could get here, that they have visited and you know, 362 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,759 depending on their technology. But then it gets a little trickier because now it 363 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,240 starts to hit home, it starts to get real almost a little unnerving, 364 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,039 because now when we're talking about abductions, We're talking about something very personal. 365 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,160 It's an invasion of privacy, it's an invasion of our space and what's going 366 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,519 on. But I think that when we were trying to lead people from A 367 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,799 to BCD and not go directly to M or Z, which would be you 368 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:33,440 know, where we're going with this is are there hybridization programs that are ongoing 369 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:40,039 and have been ongoing for decades wherein people men and women have been abducted, 370 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:47,960 have been experimented on, have been used for reproductive purposes, and the end 371 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,319 result of that is hybrid children. And it's kind of like, well, 372 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,319 why why would that? Why might that be the case. So when you 373 00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:00,039 say I can't wrap my head around that, that's really something that's totally understandable. 374 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:04,160 Because most people who are still wrapping their heads around our UFOs, even 375 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,720 real our ets even out there, Well, then it's going to be harder 376 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:17,079 to understand or accept that these hybridization programs are occurring. Right, Did you 377 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,880 have anything you wanted to add to that, John, No, it's a 378 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,920 journey, I think, an awakening, a discovery of possibilities. And we've 379 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,440 said this numerous times before. We're not going out there saying that what we're 380 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:38,599 documenting is fact. We're telling stories, and what we're doing is finding stories 381 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:45,920 that corroborate a pathway that has been shared by many people who have had the 382 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,079 same stories before. There's documented evidence of people who have told shared their abduction 383 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,839 story that live in remote areas that don't have access to the internet, television, 384 00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:02,759 even electricity. But when they share their stories, they corroborate with people 385 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:07,599 who have shared their stories. So when you start to see evidence, let's 386 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,279 say evidence. And we had a discussion with doctor David Jacobs about this, 387 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,200 and he said, I'm sick and tired of people saying that there is no 388 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,279 evidence. We've got tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, if 389 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:25,279 not millions, of people who have had stories, shared experiences, have had 390 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,799 abduction process stories that they've shared that are very similar. They're corroborating each other. 391 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,720 At some point we have to acknowledge the fact that this very well may 392 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:40,359 be the evidence that we should be looking at. So we're just trying to 393 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,400 present the information in a way that allows people to analyze it in a digestible 394 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,720 way. Like Jack was saying, is that we're not going to take them 395 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,000 into the deep dive at step one. So the three films that we're making 396 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:57,359 are trying to get people to watch them in sequence and say, Okay, 397 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,319 now I have a better understanding of the of the big picture as opposed to 398 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,559 just diving into the minutia, which is what a lot of films do. 399 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:10,039 So our objective from the very beginning was to reach the whitest audience its possible, 400 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,759 and in order to do that, we need to share stories that we're 401 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,680 not super over the top, but would also connect with people. And one 402 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,160 of the ways this film connects with people is from an emotional standpoint. So 403 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:29,440 it is not a I would say, I've talked with people from a scientific 404 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720 point of view that there's no empirical evidence to prove this, and they're exactly 405 00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:36,799 right, there isn't. But there's a lot of stories of people sharing something 406 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:42,200 that happened to them where they had a profound impact emotionally, psychologically, in 407 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:48,839 some cases intellectually. So we can't deny that people who have had these experiences, 408 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,319 whatever they may be, that they had them. And that's one of 409 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,079 the issues I think that we have is that so many people are denying that 410 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:01,400 these things exist and that these experiences are real when the individuals that have been 411 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,839 through them have done nothing more than tell their side of the story, and 412 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,519 they're not looking for fame or fortune, And anybody who knows the ufology world 413 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:15,519 won't know that that's not doable, you know, for anybody who goes out 414 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,759 and shares their story, what they're doing basically is and opening themselves up to 415 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:24,519 a tremendous amount of ridicule. So our objective really was to let let's guide 416 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,079 people through a process though, so that at the end of each film that 417 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,640 we've made, ask yourself one simple question, what if this is true? 418 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,640 What if part So, if it is true, what does that mean? 419 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:43,720 So we're trying to encourage a discussion that asks the age old question of why 420 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,160 are we here, where do we come from, where do we go when 421 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,480 we die? All of these things I think are ultimately on the table when 422 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920 you start talking about something as big as this. This is not just about 423 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,480 is that light in the sky a spaceship? There's so much more implications to 424 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,799 something like this, and we just want to explore it. I personally, 425 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:07,759 I've mentioned this on this show before. When it comes to abductions or experiencers. 426 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:15,240 If I was experiencing what they are supposedly experiencing, I don't know if 427 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,880 I could function in this world. I just don't know how I could possibly 428 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,920 move on, you know, like that, if something like that was happening 429 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,799 at night, how would I ever even want to go to work the next 430 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,640 day or or function with family or anything like that. How do these people 431 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,039 do it? If this is really happening? I mean what some thoughts on 432 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:43,480 that? Well, I think, yeah, sure it depends on the individual. 433 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:47,079 But you know, a lot of them don't function very well. And 434 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:54,119 you know they really in most cases they're suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. 435 00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,880 Just like as someone who would come back from the Gulf War, we're Afghanistan. 436 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,079 It's the same. It's it's a traumatic, stressful uh experiences or experience 437 00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:13,440 or experiences that they're having and they are feeling that psychologically. UM many of 438 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,639 them. Though. What tends to happen with people is the more time that 439 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,679 goes by, they start to accept it and they put it in a in 440 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,000 a particular box. Uh. And some people might say, well, I 441 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,000 was destined to be to do this, to be part of this, and 442 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,920 maybe I agree to do this in a prior lifetime or you know, that's 443 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,480 somehow that that's it's my purpose and I'm helping humanity. Somehow, I'm helping 444 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:43,719 humanity. Uh. And you know, but many people they suffer and they 445 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:50,000 don't and especially at first, they are they are mess Uh. They they 446 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:54,159 don't go to work, relationships are destroyed, Uh, they lose their jobs. 447 00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,800 We had one particular person in our in this film, uh Raw Fullington, 448 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,320 who really struggled mightily, and he was dealing with physical issues as a 449 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:12,400 result of this, psychological issues as a result of this, and he basically 450 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,280 was almost indigent pretty much. I mean he had lost everything and so and 451 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,320 then they start to get back on their feet. So but surely, but 452 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,639 you know, this was posed the other night and John and I were talking 453 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:29,920 about this. You know, how many people that have had these experiences and 454 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,079 we'll never know this, but how many may have committed suicide? That was 455 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,119 actually on my mind, but I was almost afraid to ask. It's a 456 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:42,719 tough it's a tough subject. But like I guarantee you that there are a 457 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,280 certain number of these experiencers who just don't they can't handle they can't they can't 458 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,480 live with it. And that's one of the things that I would emphasize too, 459 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,320 is that when you're making a film like this, at the end of 460 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,480 the day, you're showing an hour and forty five minutes, so we're not 461 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:04,480 showing everything that we captured. Would be impossible to do that, although we 462 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:09,039 are going to be featuring some of the interviews in a great portion of the 463 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:14,840 interviews on a Patreon account which we're building out, and that should be of 464 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,079 some of these things will be available for anybody who wants to do a deeper 465 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,280 dive. We'll be able to see them by becoming a supporting member of our 466 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,079 Patreon page. Because we want to continue to tell these stories and one of 467 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,480 the ways that we can do that is to find a community that supports the 468 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,400 storytelling and the path that we're taking, which is more of a humanistic approach 469 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,400 as opposed to just evidence or conspiracy theory. But the point that I want 470 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,639 to make is that when you sit down with somebody for seven eight hours to 471 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,719 do an interview and they break down in tears and have to walk away from 472 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,960 the camera, you know, several times because it's too intense to tell their 473 00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:57,400 story I just don't there there's a level of compassion that you have to have 474 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,360 towards people who are doing this. They are feeling in the moment that I'm 475 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:07,199 sharing something that is potentially could go out to the world to see. And 476 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:13,199 I consider what you know, Geraldine rob in April in particular, did was 477 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:16,960 brave because they're sharing a story that in a week, a week from today, 478 00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:22,159 when it goes out for the masses to see, their stories are no 479 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,360 longer their own stories. They're going to become part of the ufology story in 480 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,440 a grand way. So what we just want to do is encourage people to 481 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,000 think, step back before you're quick to judge, and say, what if 482 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,920 I spend a week with this person, or a day or even an afternoon 483 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:47,360 with them, what would I experience? And you would likely experience manic activity 484 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,280 and depressed activity. You would see the highs and the lows in a very 485 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,239 short amount of time, because every single person that we've interviewed who's had an 486 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,960 experience shares the highs and the lows, and they're usually very excited one moment 487 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,599 and very down the next, and it's it's difficult to watch sometimes and that's 488 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,159 one of the things we want to drive home is that, you know, 489 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,840 as corny as this might sound, experiences or people too, we should treat 490 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,159 them with the same respect and compassion and empathy that we would with anybody else 491 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:21,280 who's been going through something traumatic, because it is a traumatic experience for them, 492 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,320 right, And I understand there's there's I've actually seen this in action out 493 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,559 in Phoenix the last number of years. There's sort of a there's sort of 494 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:38,920 a group therapy going on between them. They get together and basically help each 495 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:45,559 other just by talking about it. Did you see any of that? Have 496 00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:52,119 you to people find that the people that you have interviewed or any of them 497 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,639 part of any type of situation like that? Yeah, I think one of 498 00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,880 the things that we saw when we were shooting the film, we shot some 499 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:01,639 things that weren't included in the film, and one of them was bringing these 500 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:07,719 people together so that they could talk about their personal experiences amongst people who've had 501 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,400 the experiences. And Barbara Lamb and Von Smith were there as well to kind 502 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,239 of facilitate, and they talk for about three hours and there was this sense 503 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,800 of understanding, a sense of community, but also a sense of support that 504 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,519 I found my tribe, because you know, there's people who've been telling their 505 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:34,800 stories for thirty forty years and those people have become comfortable with that exposure. 506 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,719 Other people have never told their story to anyone, and then they they're asked 507 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,360 to share their story in a group setting, and it's very difficult, very 508 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,519 challenging. But one of the things we want to encourage with this film is 509 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,000 that, you know, two things, for people to understand that those going 510 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,639 through the experiences are having traumatic they're having trauma and they need our empathy and 511 00:39:54,679 --> 00:40:00,199 compassion, but also to encourage the people who've had them to find the community. 512 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,320 So we'll have at the end of the film there's a link to shown 513 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,559 that is a link to a portal on our website that will allow people who 514 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,840 have had an experience, if they're comfortable enough to do more research, they 515 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,719 can start there. Because that's one of the things we've had since we started 516 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,400 promoting this film is several people have reached out to us and say, I 517 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,079 have a story to tell, but I don't want to tell anybody, but 518 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,519 I need to speak to someone. Can you help us? So it's happened 519 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:34,239 on numerous times, one time with a couple where the mail was had an 520 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,039 experience and its just does not want to talk about it, but it's impact 521 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:42,599 in the relationship, and the female is like, we need to do something 522 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,480 to help this. I believe him, but he's struggling with sharing his story. 523 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,719 So just imagine extrapolate that out to relationships where people who have had that 524 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,599 experience. What does that mean? What is that energy light where you don't 525 00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:01,159 feel comfortable talking to somebody? So we're trying to encourage that, encouraging that 526 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,000 sense of community. And I think that once people find their tribe and realize 527 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,239 that they're not alone, they find ways to better manage it. Like Jack 528 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,960 had mentioned earlier, they find the box that best works for them on how 529 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,599 to manage it. But it never goes away. I mean, there's a 530 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:22,559 line in the film that von Smith says is that she whenever she screened somebody 531 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:27,679 for regression, she says to them is that you know, once we opened 532 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,519 the store, we can't close it. Once the toothpaste is out of the 533 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,400 toothpaste, it can't go back in. So you have to be prepared for 534 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,400 what's to come. And the people are brave enough to share those stories and 535 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:44,360 have those regression experiences have a story to tell that we think is worthy of 536 00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:50,480 listening to. Just a quick story about Yvonne. I was out in California, 537 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,519 I don't know, maybe five or six years ago, and I was 538 00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:57,599 near where she was at. I contacted her and said, hey, can 539 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,559 I come into your office and we'll record a show? And she said sure, 540 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:07,880 a fine, So I went in the recording equipment. Everything was working 541 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,880 fine. I went and recorded there did a show there. This was back 542 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,239 when I was doing just the podcast. And I got home and I plugged 543 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:22,159 it in and it was really weird. There was It was not her and 544 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:30,280 I. It was like someone like humming and almost sounded like a Native American 545 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,079 chant. So I called her and I said, you're not going to believe 546 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,119 this, but the recording I even checked the recording when I was in her 547 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,599 office was working fine. I said, there's something really going on. She 548 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:45,400 said it's not the first time she had other things happened in her office like 549 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,360 that, which was totally bizarre. I know I'm going off the deep end 550 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,000 here, but I wanted to talk to you. We're going to be going 551 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,239 to a break in about five minutes or so. But I have a friend 552 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,800 in Sweden who's been on this show a number of times, Class Fun and 553 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,199 he is basically in charge of or he was a past president of their UFO 554 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,679 group over there. It's kind of like a move on takes in a lot 555 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,719 a lot of UFO. Case is very interesting and there's no ridicule, and 556 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,000 there's no ridicule in Sweden as far as he's concerned. People take the subject 557 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,079 really seriously. It has a huge libraries in charge of. So I asked 558 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,800 him about abductions. I said, what's going on there and about abductions? 559 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,480 He said, I might get one case a year. Now, my question 560 00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,760 is, do you think that it's a regional situation. You mentioned earlier that 561 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:43,199 people are abducted all over the world, But do you think there's possibly a 562 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,239 regional type situation because look at America, you know, I mean, so 563 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,480 many people here are saying something's going on. That's hard to say. I 564 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,719 mean, you know, you have population differences. You know, we have 565 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,280 a much larger population than Sweden. But it could you know, you could 566 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,320 talk about well where you know again now we're getting into we could talk about 567 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,280 underground bases and where you know, where these things are occurring and you know, 568 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,360 it's hard to and maybe there is a military component to it. And 569 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,159 if that's the case, then the US has a much larger military presence than 570 00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:22,840 Sweden does. So, but there's so many variables to that that's actually really 571 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,039 surprising that he said only one a year. Wow. Yeah. But the 572 00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,480 one I think part of it too is that they there there is this uh 573 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,519 is there a comfort level and sharing those stories well, And he said that 574 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,480 it's very they're very comfortable talking about that type of situation. But I will 575 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:45,880 tell you that the one abduction story he told me was a doozy and it 576 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,960 was a police officer involved in everything. His wife lifted right off, the 577 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,880 baby saw the whole thing and couldn't move, and it was really a crazy 578 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,400 story. So he's not opposed to it, and as far as he knows, 579 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440 no one else is opposed to it there. So I just that's good 580 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,280 interesting. I think it's I think in the situations like that too, it's 581 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,000 a you know, encouraging conversation and talking about it and sharing it in a 582 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:14,519 way where people feel like it is a I think there's a pride thing, 583 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:20,119 there is a integrity, and some people are will choose not to tell their 584 00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,920 story because they know that nothing good is going to come of it. At 585 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,400 least that would be the majority of the people you know, would say. 586 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,719 Jack mentioned earlier about Rob. Rob's had experiences that he's still grappling with. 587 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,320 He's still struggling with how how he fits into everything that he's learned and everything 588 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,639 that he's been exposed to. And you know, he told us he goes, 589 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:44,119 I sometimes feel more. I think I would feel more comfortable off planet 590 00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,239 than on, he said, But I didn't feel that way seven and eight 591 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,079 years ago or ten years ago when he had his first experience in two thousand 592 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:54,760 and nine. So he said that, you know, everything has changed for 593 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,280 him. And then you have somebody like Geraldine, who was successful businesswoman. 594 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,519 She was engaged to get married. She had had an abduction scenario that she 595 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,159 recalled in twenty thirteen and it kept gnawing at her. But her fiance at 596 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,119 the time said, this is something that you don't want to make present to 597 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,039 your family the community at large. Your kids will have to deal with you 598 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:20,519 telling this story. So she buried it, but she said it kept gnawing 599 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,199 at her. It kept She had some other things that happened too, and 600 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,239 she went and had two regressions, and after the one regression, she broke 601 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,960 off the relationship, and after the other regression within a month of each other, 602 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,159 she quit her sixth figure a year job and said, I need to 603 00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:36,000 help people who have gone through what I've gone through. And she's dedicated her 604 00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,800 life to making a difference. So there's somebody who's had an experience and has 605 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,679 turned it into something positive by trying to help in the best way she knows. 606 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:52,280 How. Wow, that is really interesting. I bet the number one 607 00:46:52,920 --> 00:47:00,000 question that an experienced her has is why, why is this happening? Maybe 608 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,719 why is it happening to me? Or just plain why? Um? What 609 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,599 did you We've only got about a minute to break. I don't know if 610 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:12,559 you're the one who want to tackle that. Yeah, they do ask that, 611 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,199 UM, and a lot of times they don't get the answer, but 612 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,599 they always like why me of everyone on this planet, like why am I 613 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,599 going through this? And it's almost like you going through all those phases of 614 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,239 grief. You know, you have the anger, you have the fear and 615 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,199 the angered, all all these emotions are there for these people. UM. 616 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,079 To answer that question is to the possibilities of why would take longer than the 617 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,320 time we have right now. But um, that is something we could talk 618 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:45,440 about after the break. But yeah, yeah, yeah, um and um, 619 00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:51,159 you know, if there are so many people being you know, having 620 00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:58,119 this experience, um, it just seems like you talked earlier, there's uh, 621 00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:01,400 you know, there's no real empirical evidence that this is happening. And 622 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:07,039 you know, I wonder it is there never going to be I mean, 623 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,239 is it is there not going to be someone nearby with a cell phone camera 624 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,400 that's going to snap a picture of someone floating out a window or you know 625 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,679 what I mean? What's that? It's not blurry? Yeah, that's not 626 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,360 blurry. Yeah. So anyway, we're right at our break, so we're 627 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,159 going to head into that break. All right, everyone, thanks so much 628 00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:36,559 for listening to the free part of our show. The show continues into our 629 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,079 two and we do get a number of phone calls. It's very interesting. 630 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,239 I think you'd really enjoy it. 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