And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham far As incident involve
aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our heads.
Also really standing into clearing. He turned over to my father and held
his hand, and he looks in his eyes and said, we're not alone.
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is John Semple and Jack Roth. They have a film out about abduction,
and you know, if you're a long time listener, you know that I've
been kind of on the fence about that whole situation. It's a pretty compelling
film. I did watch. It's called Extraordinary of the Seating and it's it's
coming out on September three, coming right up, and we're gonna be talking
about that and also a whole bunch of other things. Will. I'm sure
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that's off talking for me. Alejandro, welcome to the show. Hello,
thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Yes, as always,
Alejandro, as always, we have a lot of fun. So we're coming
right up in just a couple of weeks. I will see you out at
Phoenix. I'm really excited. Yes, yeah, yes, and unfortunately not
both of your guests will be there, but Jack will be there, but
John will be there in spirit because they both have a film in the film
festival, the one you just mentioned you'll be talking about here and so good
luck to those guys, and it's a you know you saw. It's a
very very well done film with a lot of In fact, some of our
other speakers are in there, including Richard Dolan, Chase Kletsky, I think
Melinda Leslie's in it, who's going to be at the conference as a vendor.
So yeah, it's kind of a cool thing because it's it's a lot
of the people that you know and we'll see there at the conference. So
there's stiff competition when it comes to the films. Jeremy Corbell has his two
films in there. Many of you are probably familiar with Tim Crawford from UFOTV.
He's got a couple of films and now he sponsored films before, but
these are the first he's like really directed and produced himself. But they're very
well done. So there's gonna be some really tough competition there for for j
three, But they've been winning film festivals all over the country so by now
they're used to winning, so hopefully there for them, their winning streak continues.
Yeah, yeah, so what is happening in general, what's going on
in general? Well not I wasn't going to talk about a general. Actually,
I was going to talk about an admiral. So this is something I
wrote for the Roswell Daily Record recently. However, I have more pictures if
you go to my blog alohundrot rohas dot com and see it there and links
and stuff. But essentially, Brian Bender was at the Aspen Security Forum a
couple of weeks ago while many of us were at mouf on actually, and
this is a really important forum at the Aspen Institute with you know, all
of the top level officials when it comes to defense, defense contractors, defense
writers, and many people in the military. And in one of those forums,
Bender was actually going to be there to moderate. Of course, he's
the guy who was also in an unidentified and he's broken some UFO stories recently,
including the fact that the Navy was rewriting their UFO guidelines reporting guidelines.
Well, in one of the forums unrelated about China and defense issues related to
China, Admiral Davidson, who's in charge of the Indio Pacific Command, so
a big portion of the Navy, was asked by one of the guests about
UFOs. The guy was embarrassed when he got up an ass and he kind
of stumbled through the question. He didn't really even get the whole question out,
you know, he was just asking about UFOs. The crowd unfortunately laughed,
but Admiral Davidson didn't, and he said, yes, you know,
we've got new reporting guidelines for UFOs, and he also added this, I
want to he said, I want to note that you know, this only
happened during a finite period decidings that had been reported, and that was about
all he said. So what I was curious about, what I analyzed,
was that comment. What did he mean by a finite period of time?
Brian Bender I asked him, and he said he thinks that what this guy
meant is that they're not happening constantly everywhere all the time, that they're just
happening in these short periods of time. No doubt that's probably accurate. Of
course, we've heard from unidentified over a couple of cases two thousand and four
outside of San Diego and then twenty fourteen and fifteen outside of Florida. But
so he's saying, you know, even if there are other cases, they're
they're kind of one off type situations, not like they're just contending them with
these things all of the time. And from the witnesses we've heard from,
you've had several on or you've had at least Kevin Day on so Vy,
you know, this wasn't something that happened regular So that's why it was so
important when it did happen to them and they did get, you know,
confront these unknown objects. But Tyler Roegaway has been writing about this and I
asked him about it also, he's a defense writer. You've had him on
the show for the Drive, and he says that he agrees that it's accurate
their finite periods of time. And he's been honing in that in both of
these incidents in twenty fourteen, twenty and two thousand and four, that there
was new radar technology that was deployed in both of those instances when they started
seeing things, and that could be a factor that leads to the possibility of
human origins for these things. The problem with that, as he is admits,
is the technology and the characteristics that were displayed by these objects is beyond
what we have right now. It's definitely a technology that it defeats the physics
as we know it currently, and he admits that that makes that harder to
understand what these are. But you know, in his defense to people who
would probably criticize him to say, oh, you know, if it's beyond
what we can do, how can it be human? We don't know yet,
and this is how you investigate, and it's great. I love what
Tyler is doing personally, and what the Navy said on honing in on this
being a finite period of time may give us some insight into the Navy's thinking.
At least the admiral may have been briefed on investigations where that is a
factor. They're looking at similar factors that Tyler rogue Away is looking at to
try to determine if there is, indeed, you know, a foreign government
that has had some sort of technological breakthrough. And of course if that's true,
that would be a big deal. That was something that you know,
somebody one of the lawmakers recently, what Mike Walker, you know, he
wrote a letter to the Navy wanting to know more, and he highlights that
same issue. So a lot still going on in Washington and with the you
know, military around UFOs, publicly. So it's still a hot topic out
there, another hot topic. Wait, wait just a second, if we
could before we move on from that. Um, I just you know,
I'm wondering. You know, we have you and I have talked about this
before. We have seen these characteristics or people have noted these characteristics of these
vehicles, you know, long long ago, you know, way way back.
Yeah, I'm thinking it's more to do with what you mentioned earlier,
our new technology. Perhaps they're always there, Perhaps they've always been there off
and on, you know, finite like a the Admiral set. But perhaps
we can only just begin to see them. Um. You know. And
anyway, I think a lot of it has to do with our technology.
I think that is another great possibility. In fact, I taught to a
guy I knew, an older gentleman. He in Colorado and right now his
name eludes me. Franklin Carter. Great guy. He actually took over a
UFO conference in Cheyenne, Wyoming. But he was in the Navy way back
during the dow Line during the Cold War, where they were part of the
ship set. Would watch for anything coming. They would, you know,
go right up to the water they're up against where they can closest to Russia
as possible to monitor what Russia is up to. When they instituted a new
radar system that he was in charge of, he was the radar tech.
This happened. They started seeing things way up in the sky. They were
reporting them, and eventually, you know, every time they saw something like
this that would go thousands of miles per hour or something, they would call
up Franklin and say, hey, Carter, you know we got another problem
with radar. Come check this out, and he would verify that there wasn't
you know, a problem with the radar. In fact, when they would
get these they started calling him Carter's contacts. They'd be like, Carter,
we out another one, and he would come check it out. Wow,
well, they had technicians and everything come. Finally, he asked some of
the other radar techs on some of the other ships, hey, you guys
have this new radar. Aren't you guys seeing this stuff too? And they
said yeah, but we're not going to report it. It's too much of
a headache. People make fun of you. You know, there's all this
paperwork and bureaucracy, and so they wouldn't report it at all, which is
something that you know, we hear quite often from people in the military.
So there's two reasons that's important. One, it speaks to your theory or
your idea that perhaps we're just seeing more and that they're staying out of our
radar and once we increase our radar capabilities and we can spot them and then
maybe they move away further or something like that. That's I think a valid
point. The second thing, though, is why it's so important that the
Navy said they have UFO reporting guidelines and take it seriously those you know,
people in their laft. Tyler rog Away even said that was discussing that some
of his colleagues would laugh at this question. But that's kind of the reaction
that people have, And I think that's the importance of the Navy saying this
is important and we want to hear from UFO reports to say that they're taking
it seriously. It's not a laughing matter. It is something serious. I
think that's the main function of the rollout of these reports, because no doubt
they well we already know they already have reporting systems and processes for important things
like this, So I don't know that that's becoming more robust, but it's
more of a message that hey, we are taking this more seriously. Do
send those reports along. But I think you have a good out there.
I was talking about hot, and I was talking about hot in the desert,
not just here in Phoenix, but in the deserts near Area fifty one,
where people millions of people are threatening to gather in a few weeks here
on September twentieth, well just yesterday, Lincoln County said that they are going
ahead with plants to declare an emergency due to this store Area fifty one thing.
Now, they also, interestingly enough, I guess, release some permits
to some of the events because people are taking advantage and they're holding concerts and
campouts and parties out there. So there's a lot of that sort of thing
going on, and that's what these guys are preparing for a lot of times.
When emergency declarations are made, it frees up emergency funds, and they
probably need these funds, hopefully to keep people safe. This is a desert.
There's no gas anywhere around there, there's no water. There's only a
couple of small little places that don't have a lot of facilities. So I'm
imagining that they're going to try to make sure and provide facilities, also have
security and emergency personnel, a lot of first responders ready for whatever may happen.
Now, hopefully it's just an innocent party, maybe even some talks about
UFOs. I'm actually in talks with someone who asked me, Hey, do
I want to come out there, you know, talk about UFOs during this
whole thing, And I may, but of course I don't want anybody to
pass the gates. And that's kind of the theme of all these parties.
Don't pass the gates, but let's party. Some of them are thinking and
make money, whereas others are activists and they're thinking, well, let's highlight.
Let's say, hey, we think this is important, we want to
know more about this topic, and make that kind of the whole thing as
opposed to trying to do anything illegal. I would imagine, I know we're
out of time here for the news, but I would imagine that they're going
to be very prepared for something to happen. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm
not saying Rachel, but I'm going to say Area fifty one. I believe
that they'll probably be ready for something. Yeah, this is Lincoln County in
particular that asked for the emergency declaration, so I think it. Yeah,
it's going to be more at a county level, and no doubt there is
some sort of base involvement as well. Right, Alejandro, thank you so
much. Thank you have a great show. All right, I sure will
you bet talk to you next week? Yeah, all right, everyone.
The guests we have tonight, they are part of J three Films that was
formed back in two thousand and one and they have extensive ties to the uthology
and paranormal fields. They were going to talk to them about their previous film
of The Stand Romanac Story as well, and anyway, their new film,
The Seating is getting a lot of exposure and as Aljandro mentioned, is winning
a number of awards, so we're gonna be talking about the whole thing,
all right, So welcome to the show. Jack and John, thanks for
having us. Yes, this is uh, this is great that you two
could both be on. I do appreciate that, and I know you must
be very very busy right now because it's just coming right up. You're what
is it? Is it? Two weeks? Your show premier two weeks from
today? And where where does it premiere. It's going to be available on
every digital download, pay per view platform, so the iTunes, Google play,
Amazon Video, and Xbox forms or Xbox platforms and uh PlayStation, Voodoo,
Vimeo. So wow, if you're if you're watching video or listening to
music on a platform, chances are pretty good it'll be on there, all
right. And that was the voice of John Sample and Jack. You two
got together and did did one of you have more of an interest in UFOs
and that topic than the other? Uh? How did this all happen?
Well? Initially, yes, I was. I had already kind of been
down the rabbit hole and this is going back. Oh boy, we can
go way back. But let's start maybe ten years ago. Um, we
were we were talking about doing a documentary and I was already fairly familiar with
the ufology landscape. And I and I had a couple ideas, we need
to do something really compelling, really really cool. We need to find a
cool story. And uh, John was coming at it. We're filmmakers,
but I, again, I had that interest in the topic, and um,
it worked out well because when we when we decided on the story we
were going to tell, which was our first documentary. The one we did
extraordinary, the stand Romanic story. Um, we knew we found the great
story. But it's great because John came at it more from Okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna step back and be you know, learn as I go along
with all of this stuff that we're finding out and we're discovering, and keep
that filmmaker kind of distance uh and objectivity. Um. And I was able
to do that too, but I was also able to offer a lot of
information as far as look, this is what's going on, and as far
as ufology is concerned, this is what's been happening for the last seventy years.
So it was really kind of good combo for us because we're able to
mix, We're able to maintain that filmmaking uh kind of stance uh and be
objective in a way we're telling the stories, but there's also uh, there's
an understanding of the topic that we're that we're delving into. Uh huh.
Now, Stan was the fourth guest on my show here Uh boy, we're
going back just about eight years close to eight years ago, and um,
um no, there's a lot of controversy in all different types of ways with
Stan of course, you know what he was found guilty of, And the
timing worked just about the same time that I saw your film go up on
network, the Netflix. That was the timing about the same time. Yeah,
it was. It was a very interesting journey, to say the least.
We we premiered the film at the Fort lauder Day International Film Festival in
November of twenty thirteen, and January of twenty fourteen is when Stan had his
legal issues as well as just I think January was the interview with Peter Slattery
that had the flipping pencat and then a month later was the announcement that he
had been arrested. So those things couldn't have come at a worse time for
us because we were playing We were in the process of talking with distribution opportunities
for the film, and once all that happened, it was those conversations ended.
The only way that they would be interested is if we recut the film
and focused on his current situation. And we're like, well, no,
that's this film is about a time in his life from two thousand to twenty
ten. That's what we focus on. That's the timeline in the film.
So we kind of said we're gonna stick to our guns. We're going to
release it as it is. But we did the independent route and we created
a website allpov tv and distributed it self distributed the film there. Fast forward
three years twenty seventeen. January of twenty seventeen, we get a phone call
from the Orchard out of the blue saying we're interested in repping your film.
So it was released initially the same way on digital platforms, and then they
send a screener copy to Netflix executives and they didn't even have to pitch it.
They looked at and they were like, we love the evidence in the
beginning, you know, Dune deal. We'll have it on Netflix in a
few months. So that timing was I think sometimes I say it was a
coincidence, and other times I'll say, well, there's no coincidences. But
we had no We weren't reaching out to anybody. We made no effort to
try to connect to a distribution opportunity. Our only thing was that we knew
that there were people who invested, and those people who had invested in the
film needed to make their money back. It was more of a loan than
an investment, not an investor. Situation, but we had no that we
owed people money for and once that opportunity presented itself, we were like,
yeah, sure, we'll distribute the film. Just the timing of it happened
to be when the Netflix drop was was right at the time of the I
would say, the crescendo of his court dates. So that was drew a
lot of attention to his case and the film, and detrimentally so to the
film because a lot of people went into attack mode based on the event on
YouTube and also the legal issues, which we completely understand and don't blame anybody
for reacting the way that they did. Well I understand, yeah, I
do get all that. And one thing I would have to say about Standing,
you know he uh, there's no reason for him to have um embellish
embellish of the way he did um you talked about slatterly when he was on
that show, because everyone that I've talked to that has known Stand had known
him in the beginning, said, you know, things do actually happen around
him and this These are people that you know, I hesitate to say their
names on air, but these are people that are serious in the UFO topic,
that have experienced weird things. You know, it is. It is
unfortunate. His legal situation is very unfortunate, and and I think, well,
I would have to say, you're extremely lucky in my opinion to have
that break and be able to hopefully recoup your money back on that overall.
What made you decide to move on and create this other film, Well,
I would say the one thing that we learned from making the first one was
that there are a lot of stories out there. There are a lot of
people who've had experiences that they felt like the seeing the film and the fact
that it was getting the kind of attention that it was helped them realize that
they know their experiences were similar and that they weren't crazy, and they were
We received it was over seven hundred messages on our Facebook page alone and dozens
more through email with people saying, thank you so much for getting this film
out there. You know, I know I'm not crazy. I've had similar
things happened to me. So that was really an interesting point for us,
because initially we weren't all in on making another uthology film, and that realizing
that there was a humanity element to this where people were being affected by their
experiences and mostly shunned by general society for those experiences. We felt that we
had a chance to do more work, tell more stories, and add a
more humanistic storytelling approach to it that brought these stories to the masses, as
opposed to targeting a group of people who a demographic that already believes so our
approach and the second film was to introduce fresh faces with the people who have
had experiences. The three principal people had not had their stories very well known
when we first started, although one of them has turned into a little bit
of a rock star over the last year. And Geraldine Roscoe, her story
is out. She's leading a lot of people through discussions and trying to help
them with their experiences, and we can get into that a little bit more.
But when we started making the film, we realized throughout the course of
production that we had a different story to tell. And I had like an
epiphany during it that this was not about phenomena, this was about the people.
So we needed to move forward with a story that connected people to people
as opposed to just focus on the events, the lights in the sky,
the evidence. We want to tell a more human story. Uh huh,
that's interesting. Now, I, as I mentioned in the beginning of this,
I, you know, have been kind of on the fence about um,
you know, abductions. But then I've also kind of corrected my thoughts,
my personal thoughts about that in such a way to look at it this
way. I do believe in certain cases. And if I believe in those
certain cases, UM, like, for instance, the Betty and Barney Hill
case, UM, Travis Walton, who I've talked to a number of times
face to face, and then several there's several of the allagash Ins, and
there's several of them that I are just too compelling for me to say no,
that that couldn't happen. The Pasca Googla case is another one. UM,
So I do believe that. Um if whoever it is, and I'm
not saying aliens, I never like to say aliens, but whatever it is
is visiting us here from wherever they're visiting us from, UM, you know
they're going to be not just landing and going away. You know they're going
to be looking at the biology here. And you know, there's so many
things that could be related to this. Cattle mutilations is interesting, and you
know there's just a lot of things that are possibilities of whoever these visitors are,
you know, could be possibly doing. The Where where I get a
little I kind of get blurry eyedis when it gets into the reptilians and you
know, I know that was part of your film, and the thoughts and
then the seating, the actual you know, the main part of your show,
you know, the hybrid children. But I want to talk. I
mean, that's hard to swallow that, and I think it's hard to swallow
for anyone who's not involved in this. And so I want to start out
by saying, how did you vet the people in your in your movie?
Well, we spoke to dozens of people, and we had long conversations with
them, and you know, they told us their stories and a lot of
them wanted to share their stories, but there were some who were afraid to.
They were tentative about it because they were depending on what their situation was,
whether a relationship situation, we're married, they have kids, they're part
of a involved in the community, could have been a professional reason where it's
because this is a social taboo. They they told us their story, but
they didn't want to go on film. One of the things you mentioned,
though, Martin, that's really important to understand is that that's one of the
reasons why when you it is very difficult to swallow the idea of hybrid children
and this kind of hybridization programs being done by ets as part of the abduction
process of the abduction phenomena. But what we've tried to do is lead people
down a path and start at the very beginning and start with Okay, look,
here's this one man stand romanic who's seeing strange lights in the sky,
and then all of a sudden he's seeing daylight craft and there's groups of people
that are seeing it with him. So I think, once people understand that,
okay, I can wrap my head around. And I went through the
same process you did, I can now wrap my head around. I always
believe that there was life on other planets, that there were extraterrestrial life forms,
and then I pretty much objectively kind of started to I was pretty sure
that they somehow could get here, that they have visited and you know,
depending on their technology. But then it gets a little trickier because now it
starts to hit home, it starts to get real almost a little unnerving,
because now when we're talking about abductions, We're talking about something very personal.
It's an invasion of privacy, it's an invasion of our space and what's going
on. But I think that when we were trying to lead people from A
to BCD and not go directly to M or Z, which would be you
know, where we're going with this is are there hybridization programs that are ongoing
and have been ongoing for decades wherein people men and women have been abducted,
have been experimented on, have been used for reproductive purposes, and the end
result of that is hybrid children. And it's kind of like, well,
why why would that? Why might that be the case. So when you
say I can't wrap my head around that, that's really something that's totally understandable.
Because most people who are still wrapping their heads around our UFOs, even
real our ets even out there, Well, then it's going to be harder
to understand or accept that these hybridization programs are occurring. Right, Did you
have anything you wanted to add to that, John, No, it's a
journey, I think, an awakening, a discovery of possibilities. And we've
said this numerous times before. We're not going out there saying that what we're
documenting is fact. We're telling stories, and what we're doing is finding stories
that corroborate a pathway that has been shared by many people who have had the
same stories before. There's documented evidence of people who have told shared their abduction
story that live in remote areas that don't have access to the internet, television,
even electricity. But when they share their stories, they corroborate with people
who have shared their stories. So when you start to see evidence, let's
say evidence. And we had a discussion with doctor David Jacobs about this,
and he said, I'm sick and tired of people saying that there is no
evidence. We've got tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, if
not millions, of people who have had stories, shared experiences, have had
abduction process stories that they've shared that are very similar. They're corroborating each other.
At some point we have to acknowledge the fact that this very well may
be the evidence that we should be looking at. So we're just trying to
present the information in a way that allows people to analyze it in a digestible
way. Like Jack was saying, is that we're not going to take them
into the deep dive at step one. So the three films that we're making
are trying to get people to watch them in sequence and say, Okay,
now I have a better understanding of the of the big picture as opposed to
just diving into the minutia, which is what a lot of films do.
So our objective from the very beginning was to reach the whitest audience its possible,
and in order to do that, we need to share stories that we're
not super over the top, but would also connect with people. And one
of the ways this film connects with people is from an emotional standpoint. So
it is not a I would say, I've talked with people from a scientific
point of view that there's no empirical evidence to prove this, and they're exactly
right, there isn't. But there's a lot of stories of people sharing something
that happened to them where they had a profound impact emotionally, psychologically, in
some cases intellectually. So we can't deny that people who have had these experiences,
whatever they may be, that they had them. And that's one of
the issues I think that we have is that so many people are denying that
these things exist and that these experiences are real when the individuals that have been
through them have done nothing more than tell their side of the story, and
they're not looking for fame or fortune, And anybody who knows the ufology world
won't know that that's not doable, you know, for anybody who goes out
and shares their story, what they're doing basically is and opening themselves up to
a tremendous amount of ridicule. So our objective really was to let let's guide
people through a process though, so that at the end of each film that
we've made, ask yourself one simple question, what if this is true?
What if part So, if it is true, what does that mean?
So we're trying to encourage a discussion that asks the age old question of why
are we here, where do we come from, where do we go when
we die? All of these things I think are ultimately on the table when
you start talking about something as big as this. This is not just about
is that light in the sky a spaceship? There's so much more implications to
something like this, and we just want to explore it. I personally,
I've mentioned this on this show before. When it comes to abductions or experiencers.
If I was experiencing what they are supposedly experiencing, I don't know if
I could function in this world. I just don't know how I could possibly
move on, you know, like that, if something like that was happening
at night, how would I ever even want to go to work the next
day or or function with family or anything like that. How do these people
do it? If this is really happening? I mean what some thoughts on
that? Well, I think, yeah, sure it depends on the individual.
But you know, a lot of them don't function very well. And
you know they really in most cases they're suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.
Just like as someone who would come back from the Gulf War, we're Afghanistan.
It's the same. It's it's a traumatic, stressful uh experiences or experience
or experiences that they're having and they are feeling that psychologically. UM many of
them. Though. What tends to happen with people is the more time that
goes by, they start to accept it and they put it in a in
a particular box. Uh. And some people might say, well, I
was destined to be to do this, to be part of this, and
maybe I agree to do this in a prior lifetime or you know, that's
somehow that that's it's my purpose and I'm helping humanity. Somehow, I'm helping
humanity. Uh. And you know, but many people they suffer and they
don't and especially at first, they are they are mess Uh. They they
don't go to work, relationships are destroyed, Uh, they lose their jobs.
We had one particular person in our in this film, uh Raw Fullington,
who really struggled mightily, and he was dealing with physical issues as a
result of this, psychological issues as a result of this, and he basically
was almost indigent pretty much. I mean he had lost everything and so and
then they start to get back on their feet. So but surely, but
you know, this was posed the other night and John and I were talking
about this. You know, how many people that have had these experiences and
we'll never know this, but how many may have committed suicide? That was
actually on my mind, but I was almost afraid to ask. It's a
tough it's a tough subject. But like I guarantee you that there are a
certain number of these experiencers who just don't they can't handle they can't they can't
live with it. And that's one of the things that I would emphasize too,
is that when you're making a film like this, at the end of
the day, you're showing an hour and forty five minutes, so we're not
showing everything that we captured. Would be impossible to do that, although we
are going to be featuring some of the interviews in a great portion of the
interviews on a Patreon account which we're building out, and that should be of
some of these things will be available for anybody who wants to do a deeper
dive. We'll be able to see them by becoming a supporting member of our
Patreon page. Because we want to continue to tell these stories and one of
the ways that we can do that is to find a community that supports the
storytelling and the path that we're taking, which is more of a humanistic approach
as opposed to just evidence or conspiracy theory. But the point that I want
to make is that when you sit down with somebody for seven eight hours to
do an interview and they break down in tears and have to walk away from
the camera, you know, several times because it's too intense to tell their
story I just don't there there's a level of compassion that you have to have
towards people who are doing this. They are feeling in the moment that I'm
sharing something that is potentially could go out to the world to see. And
I consider what you know, Geraldine rob in April in particular, did was
brave because they're sharing a story that in a week, a week from today,
when it goes out for the masses to see, their stories are no
longer their own stories. They're going to become part of the ufology story in
a grand way. So what we just want to do is encourage people to
think, step back before you're quick to judge, and say, what if
I spend a week with this person, or a day or even an afternoon
with them, what would I experience? And you would likely experience manic activity
and depressed activity. You would see the highs and the lows in a very
short amount of time, because every single person that we've interviewed who's had an
experience shares the highs and the lows, and they're usually very excited one moment
and very down the next, and it's it's difficult to watch sometimes and that's
one of the things we want to drive home is that, you know,
as corny as this might sound, experiences or people too, we should treat
them with the same respect and compassion and empathy that we would with anybody else
who's been going through something traumatic, because it is a traumatic experience for them,
right, And I understand there's there's I've actually seen this in action out
in Phoenix the last number of years. There's sort of a there's sort of
a group therapy going on between them. They get together and basically help each
other just by talking about it. Did you see any of that? Have
you to people find that the people that you have interviewed or any of them
part of any type of situation like that? Yeah, I think one of
the things that we saw when we were shooting the film, we shot some
things that weren't included in the film, and one of them was bringing these
people together so that they could talk about their personal experiences amongst people who've had
the experiences. And Barbara Lamb and Von Smith were there as well to kind
of facilitate, and they talk for about three hours and there was this sense
of understanding, a sense of community, but also a sense of support that
I found my tribe, because you know, there's people who've been telling their
stories for thirty forty years and those people have become comfortable with that exposure.
Other people have never told their story to anyone, and then they they're asked
to share their story in a group setting, and it's very difficult, very
challenging. But one of the things we want to encourage with this film is
that, you know, two things, for people to understand that those going
through the experiences are having traumatic they're having trauma and they need our empathy and
compassion, but also to encourage the people who've had them to find the community.
So we'll have at the end of the film there's a link to shown
that is a link to a portal on our website that will allow people who
have had an experience, if they're comfortable enough to do more research, they
can start there. Because that's one of the things we've had since we started
promoting this film is several people have reached out to us and say, I
have a story to tell, but I don't want to tell anybody, but
I need to speak to someone. Can you help us? So it's happened
on numerous times, one time with a couple where the mail was had an
experience and its just does not want to talk about it, but it's impact
in the relationship, and the female is like, we need to do something
to help this. I believe him, but he's struggling with sharing his story.
So just imagine extrapolate that out to relationships where people who have had that
experience. What does that mean? What is that energy light where you don't
feel comfortable talking to somebody? So we're trying to encourage that, encouraging that
sense of community. And I think that once people find their tribe and realize
that they're not alone, they find ways to better manage it. Like Jack
had mentioned earlier, they find the box that best works for them on how
to manage it. But it never goes away. I mean, there's a
line in the film that von Smith says is that she whenever she screened somebody
for regression, she says to them is that you know, once we opened
the store, we can't close it. Once the toothpaste is out of the
toothpaste, it can't go back in. So you have to be prepared for
what's to come. And the people are brave enough to share those stories and
have those regression experiences have a story to tell that we think is worthy of
listening to. Just a quick story about Yvonne. I was out in California,
I don't know, maybe five or six years ago, and I was
near where she was at. I contacted her and said, hey, can
I come into your office and we'll record a show? And she said sure,
a fine, So I went in the recording equipment. Everything was working
fine. I went and recorded there did a show there. This was back
when I was doing just the podcast. And I got home and I plugged
it in and it was really weird. There was It was not her and
I. It was like someone like humming and almost sounded like a Native American
chant. So I called her and I said, you're not going to believe
this, but the recording I even checked the recording when I was in her
office was working fine. I said, there's something really going on. She
said it's not the first time she had other things happened in her office like
that, which was totally bizarre. I know I'm going off the deep end
here, but I wanted to talk to you. We're going to be going
to a break in about five minutes or so. But I have a friend
in Sweden who's been on this show a number of times, Class Fun and
he is basically in charge of or he was a past president of their UFO
group over there. It's kind of like a move on takes in a lot
a lot of UFO. Case is very interesting and there's no ridicule, and
there's no ridicule in Sweden as far as he's concerned. People take the subject
really seriously. It has a huge libraries in charge of. So I asked
him about abductions. I said, what's going on there and about abductions?
He said, I might get one case a year. Now, my question
is, do you think that it's a regional situation. You mentioned earlier that
people are abducted all over the world, But do you think there's possibly a
regional type situation because look at America, you know, I mean, so
many people here are saying something's going on. That's hard to say. I
mean, you know, you have population differences. You know, we have
a much larger population than Sweden. But it could you know, you could
talk about well where you know again now we're getting into we could talk about
underground bases and where you know, where these things are occurring and you know,
it's hard to and maybe there is a military component to it. And
if that's the case, then the US has a much larger military presence than
Sweden does. So, but there's so many variables to that that's actually really
surprising that he said only one a year. Wow. Yeah. But the
one I think part of it too is that they there there is this uh
is there a comfort level and sharing those stories well, And he said that
it's very they're very comfortable talking about that type of situation. But I will
tell you that the one abduction story he told me was a doozy and it
was a police officer involved in everything. His wife lifted right off, the
baby saw the whole thing and couldn't move, and it was really a crazy
story. So he's not opposed to it, and as far as he knows,
no one else is opposed to it there. So I just that's good
interesting. I think it's I think in the situations like that too, it's
a you know, encouraging conversation and talking about it and sharing it in a
way where people feel like it is a I think there's a pride thing,
there is a integrity, and some people are will choose not to tell their
story because they know that nothing good is going to come of it. At
least that would be the majority of the people you know, would say.
Jack mentioned earlier about Rob. Rob's had experiences that he's still grappling with.
He's still struggling with how how he fits into everything that he's learned and everything
that he's been exposed to. And you know, he told us he goes,
I sometimes feel more. I think I would feel more comfortable off planet
than on, he said, But I didn't feel that way seven and eight
years ago or ten years ago when he had his first experience in two thousand
and nine. So he said that, you know, everything has changed for
him. And then you have somebody like Geraldine, who was successful businesswoman.
She was engaged to get married. She had had an abduction scenario that she
recalled in twenty thirteen and it kept gnawing at her. But her fiance at
the time said, this is something that you don't want to make present to
your family the community at large. Your kids will have to deal with you
telling this story. So she buried it, but she said it kept gnawing
at her. It kept She had some other things that happened too, and
she went and had two regressions, and after the one regression, she broke
off the relationship, and after the other regression within a month of each other,
she quit her sixth figure a year job and said, I need to
help people who have gone through what I've gone through. And she's dedicated her
life to making a difference. So there's somebody who's had an experience and has
turned it into something positive by trying to help in the best way she knows.
How. Wow, that is really interesting. I bet the number one
question that an experienced her has is why, why is this happening? Maybe
why is it happening to me? Or just plain why? Um? What
did you We've only got about a minute to break. I don't know if
you're the one who want to tackle that. Yeah, they do ask that,
UM, and a lot of times they don't get the answer, but
they always like why me of everyone on this planet, like why am I
going through this? And it's almost like you going through all those phases of
grief. You know, you have the anger, you have the fear and
the angered, all all these emotions are there for these people. UM.
To answer that question is to the possibilities of why would take longer than the
time we have right now. But um, that is something we could talk
about after the break. But yeah, yeah, yeah, um and um,
you know, if there are so many people being you know, having
this experience, um, it just seems like you talked earlier, there's uh,
you know, there's no real empirical evidence that this is happening. And
you know, I wonder it is there never going to be I mean,
is it is there not going to be someone nearby with a cell phone camera
that's going to snap a picture of someone floating out a window or you know
what I mean? What's that? It's not blurry? Yeah, that's not
blurry. Yeah. So anyway, we're right at our break, so we're
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