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Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your
host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, how

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are you welcome to Destiny. This
is Cliff your host. I hope you're

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doing well today. I'm all about
wellness and looking at the best that we

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can be. I mean, I've
mentioned many times I launched Destiny a couple

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of years ago because there's so much
out there that we don't really that we

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don't understand, that we are unaware
of. And as a former program director

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for a wellness conference, Destiny is
all about personal growth, spirituality, wellness,

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and then everything in between, and
that counts for a lot. One

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of the huge issues I have today, and I'm talking primarily about the United

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States Western wellness, is that the
allopathic model, this is what we have

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as a standard in the United States, is not about wellness. It's about

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trauma care, it's about recovering from
illness, it's about I mean, there's

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really not preventative medicine in there,
although they do try to say that they're

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preventative. When you're giving people a
drug to main health, to maintain health,

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that model is defective because and I'm
a perfect example. I had a

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heart attack last September. I was
out hiking, and I noticed that I

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was my chest was bothering me.
It was a tightness, and as I

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continued down the trail, I became
weaker and weaker and weaker, and I

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thought, okay, I got to
get myself to the doctor. Normally people

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would call an ambulance, but I
was out where, out in the middle

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of nowhere. So I said,
uh, oh, there's something going on

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here. So I got myself in
my car. I drove to the local

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Kaiser. I'm here in northern California
and Kaiser Permanente is the chain of established

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medicine. They hooked me up and
said, yeah, you got something going

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on with your heart. They ambulanced
me without the siren to the cardiac unit

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just a few miles south downtown Oakland, and they proceeded to quickly put a

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stint in a carnary artery that was
blocked. I spent the night never talked

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to my cardiologist. I ever talked
to a physician, had my blood drawn

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three or four times, and then
it went home. Discussion about what was

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going on, no lifestyle discussion of
what your diet was, What's going on.

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I was shocked, I was,
and I was kind of angry that

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I didn't get a chance to speak
to the physician who put the stint in.

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I actually met her a few months
later, and I thought to myself,

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this is asked backwards, This is
so asked backwards. What was going

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on with my mental state when this
happened? You know, again, what

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was my diet? You know?
How much weight am I carrying? What

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are my vitals? You know,
it's just so ass backwards, and this

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is what we face. And so
I was disappointed, to say the least,

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and I wondered what was you know, on my own, I wondered

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what I could have done to prevent
this? You know, now I had

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a history. My father passed away
at sixty five. A couple of years

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after he retired, I had an
uncle that passed away at sixty two,

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and my grandfather on my mother's side
had had a heart attack because of the

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stress. Now, in the days
of my you know, twenty thirty years

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ago, stints weren't around, and
so the recommendation would have been open heart

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bypass surgery, which is very,
very invasive. You're crippled because they crack

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your chest, you crack your rib
cage. They take they put a line

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from the blocked area and they re
route the blood flow, so the heart's

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not you know, her heart's getting
the blood it needs. So luckily that's

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not in the works. But the
problem with this model is that it doesn't

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address subtleties, and this is where
our problems are. And so there's a

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lot of other things that we bring
up here on Destiny that should be in

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play with modern medicine. And today
we're going to talk about family what is

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known as family constellations, in other
words, generational trauma and how it bleeds

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through each preceding generation and if it's
not addressed, then it can linger and

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also cause problems with the generation that
is currently alive. I don't know if

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my great grandfather had a problem with
health. I know my father wasn't you

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know, obviously had heart problems.
I know my uncle, who I didn't

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know very well, had problems,
and I know my grandfather had problems.

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I would have loved and to this
day, if a physician had asked me,

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you know, what's going on with
your family history, I would have

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liked to have addressed it. During
this this problem I had, it's not

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discussed. It's it's it's corporate medicine, which is so hands off, and

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so it's just it's just not it's
just not healing. And this is the

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huge problem. The wealthiest country in
the world, United States, has the

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worst healthcare in the world. And
I have to say this too. It's

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the most expensive. It's the most
expensive. It's it bankrupts people. You

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go in for a surgical procedure,
it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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And if you don't have the right
coverage, if you if you're working

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for yourself or your company doesn't offer
health care, it can ruin you.

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It can literally ruin you. So
I'm I feel very fortunate to be able

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to talk about these things and to
have people on the program who are presenting

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and who have traditions of energy medicine, other forms of healing techniques that are

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more holistic, less invasive. And
remember when I say invasive, we're talking

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about drugs for conditions. I'm talking
about unnecessary surgical procedures. And you know,

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you look at watch TV. Every
other commercials is a commercial for our

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drug and they make up shit too. It's like, Okay, you got

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a nervous leg, we're gonna call
it something and we're gonna have a drug

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for that. The latest craziness is
for those people who have sleep apnea,

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they stop, they stop breathing for
a period of time, they snore.

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The airway is blocked at certain types
of the evening. Most people use a

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machine that forces air through the nose
or mouth to keep the air flow consistent.

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There's a new procedure and it just
came out called Inspire, and this

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is an implant. Listen to this. So they implant a box that has

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a stimulation and they run some cords
to your I guess it's to your esophageal

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area esopha guess, or close to
your where you suck in air your larynx,

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air passage away in your throat.
And when it detects that you're gonna

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when when it detects that you're not
getting good flow, it shocks that system

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open. But they got to cut
you open and put all these little boxes

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in there, and they it's so
funny. It just came out Inspire.

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You got to see it. I'm
sure they're going to start having commercials on

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TV for it. It's insane.
It is insane. Why don't they tell

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people, why don't they look at
a little better. And because I have

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this issued myself, I was in
a sleep study. I have my old

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or moderate sleep apnea. But I've
discovered if I keep my weight at a

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certain level and also prop my head
up with another pillow, I'm in pretty

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good shape, so I don't have
a problem. When I went to the

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sleep study program at the local clinic
they actually have you come in, I

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was surrounded by a room of obese
people. I mean literally everybody was hundreds

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of pounds overweight, hundreds of plus
pounds overweight, and no one was addressing

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lifestyle. If you can drop your
weight, this is not typically a problem,

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you know, it really isn't,
but they don't talk about that.

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They want you to get this searcher. It's insane. We live in an

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insane healthcare system. The model is
totally screwed up. So the point I'm

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trying to make is the allopathy is
not a healing modality, and I guarantee

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you in the next few decades are
going to go what we're rethinking. You

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know, and for those people,
those of you who have had cancer,

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you know what a nightmare it is
to work with alopathy. They want to

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open you up immediately they want to
dohose you with chemotherapy. Typically it just

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causes more problems. The billions of
dollars, probably in the trillions of dollars

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that they've spent now over the last
few decades hasn't really improved the odds of

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surviving certain types of cancers. They
don't even look at lifestyle change. It's

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such a crazy model. And I
have to say this, it's because America

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has a marketing model. We've got
to make money on everything. We've got

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to market, you know, technique. So drugs are marketed and they say,

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you know, rather than changing your
lifestyle, take a drug. The

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drug will help you change your lifestyle. Well, the residual effects, the

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huge problems that your body faces when
taking a drug, are critically problematic.

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You know, I got off all
my drugs as soon as I could because

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I was having residual problems with it. I was having neurological problems with these

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blood thinners. It just goes on
and on and on. For the most

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part, if you look at a
natural solution, at a non invasive solution

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for your health condition, you'd be
surprised what you can find. So the

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program we have today is with somebody
who is a therapist who deals with trauma,

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and emotional trauma can lead to physical
manifestations of illness. And why this

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is important to address is that trauma
can come in all sizes and shapes.

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It can come from family lifestyle,
it can come from physical accidents, but

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it most often comes from emotional aspects. Emotional trauma. So, and my

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guest has been working with it for
decades, and she's from Tanzania, Africa,

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and it's unfortunate that the African American
community is dealing with a tremendous amount

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of trauma because depending on where you're
living, there's racism, that's a form

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of trauma. There's just economic abuse. You're struggling, and so that's traumatic

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financially. And so when you're listening
to my guest today, get a sense

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of what her background is, but
also understand that she's working specifically with trauma,

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which is the first phase. If
it's untreated, it's the first phase

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of physical manifestations of illness. So
the program today is healing trauma through family

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constellations and so manic experiencing, and
my guest is Efu Nayaki. Destiny is

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all about wellness. Healing, personal
growth and when I find I should say,

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when in my team and I find
a author who is working as a

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healer and describing her techniques, we
want to have her on the program.

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I came across a book called Healing
Trauma through Family Constellations and Somatic Experiencing Ancestral

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Wisdom from the Snell Plan of Tanzania
and the author is Efu naiaki Yah and

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she is a I mean, she's
a generational healer, and this is somebody

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you want to have on the show
because it's like it's almost in her dna

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to be a healer. So it's
like, you know, I have friends

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that are these natural heelers. And
my grandfather was a doctor and he was

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one of these natural heroes where he
would look at somebody and go, what's

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your story? Have you been doing
something here that causing you problems? It's

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like they're intuitively knowledge like that.
So Efu is a healer born and raised

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in Tanzania who works internationally facilitating trainings
and workshops on trauma healing and this is

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a very important topic that we're going
to talk about today. She is the

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founder of af Ya, a women's
holistic healing Center in Brazil and she is

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a faculty member at the Somanic Experiencing
Trauma Institute and Professor of Systematic Family Constellations

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Therapy at Hellinger Science Institute. She's
coming to us from Istanbul, and I

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want to mention I thought she was
in Brazil, so it's late there.

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So I before we started, I
was like, if I think you're going

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to have to have a hot cup
of coffee to stay awake to keep going.

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Hey, if we welcome the Destiny's
so great to have you. Thank

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you so much, Cliff. I
really like this. I mean, I

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know, I said it's worth it
to stay at work with this program that

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we're going to drop so many people
around the world, and shared this ritteness.

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You know. So I'm happy Istanbul, Turkey because I'm giving another class

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here so magic experiencing and so I
just thought it was a great opportunity to

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be able to share this book with
that. Well. I love the book.

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It's published by who's the published by
Inner Traditions right in Traditions. Yeah,

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they're a great publishing. Now,
so you published my book too,

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So talk a little bit about your
family. Now, your great grandmother was

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a healer, right right, and
talk about how this came down because you

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didn't start out thinking, oh,
I'm going to work with people as a

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healing with a healing modality. Talk
a little bit about your childhood and being

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around these people. You must have
been in the presence of your father or

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your grandfather as they were working.
But talk a little bit about the transition

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from childhood to an adult. Yes, thank you. Yes. From as

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a child. When I was growing
up, I had these stories of one

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of the great grandmother, who is
the mother from my mother's side, Yes,

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the mother of my grandfather. And
they said, oh, you know

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what she used to be. Actually, she got some kind of disease.

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She will be lying on bed,
but people will come. She couldn't even

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move, but people will come to
her and explain their diseases and she will

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heal them. And she will tell
them go and take that plant or that

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plant, or she will touch them. They will get healed. So they

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said, I mean she was healing
except for the other problem. She had

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some kind of disability that they never
were able to explain it. And so

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she just was lying on bed and
doing the healing. And so when I

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was growing up and I had that
so that's one side from my grand From

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my mother's side, yeah, I
will talk about my father's side. So

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then when I head of that story, I always start in my mind,

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wow, how would somebody just be
lying on bed and heal? You know,

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as a little child, you just
think about that and you let go

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of that. Right. The thing
is like really heab or medicines. When

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we were little, we never went
to the door. You know, will

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you have a stomach ake whatever,
there's a plant, to take that plant

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there and eat it and that's good. And that's how we also did most

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of the healing around us. So
that's also what's kind of normal. Nothing

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to like Leonard say that I'm a
healer. But as I actually grew up

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and then I began to notice that
I do have this capacity to actually touch

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people heal people. I remembered then
of the story of my grandmother. So

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and I said, well, my
grandmother was lying in bed healing, and

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I move. It's like I moved
her energy out of bed and bring it

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to the world. So I'm the
evolution of part of my grandma moving the

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energy of healing out into the whole
world. And I'm grateful for her.

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I think that's fantastic. Now you
right about your ritual initiation at the age

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of thirteen with your clan, the
Naiaqi clan. Did they tell you at

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your initiation that you would be a
healer or is it more just becoming a

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woman ceremony? This was more of
becoming a woman. And again it's more

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than a healer. Just what they
tell you. You know, when you

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become like whether you're a boy or
a woman, that every one of us

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had to have that ritual at that
age of when now you're changing into like

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from a child to adolescent moving into
the world. They do this before you

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go to a boarding school. In
my country, we used to have this

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boarding school. That mean you left, you leave home and go to a

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school where you will only come home
in every six months or so. So

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that way you're beginning to move out
of the home or not and go to

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the world. So they do this
ritual. Really it's very empowering ritual because

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what they tell you this slaughter animals
and sacrifices and all that. But there

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is this movement where you have an
uncle who is the brother of my father

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come behind you and they have you
carry something in your head on your head

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and they say, they say these
words like, you know, our daughter,

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you're now growing up, and we
want to give you to the world.

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And when you go to the world, you're going to be big.

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You're going to give a lot.
You're taking our energy, our ancestral energy,

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to make the world a better place
for everybody. You're going to be

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You're just everything is going to be
easy for you and all the ancestors will

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accompany. So it's a blessing that
comes with everything. Like at that moment,

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I felt so I felt like,
you know, I felt like it

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win, you know, like with
people behind in me just sending me off

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with that, and I was really
proud of myself. I remember saying,

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Wow, isn't this wonderful? And
I'm ready to fly. I'm ready to

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go, you know. Anyway,
they bring you in and then the women

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receive you. You know, these
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where they cut the animals, and
then the women are there waiting for the

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meat to come so they can cook
and all that. Yeah, I want

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to mention also to our listening audience
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they sacrifice the good and then there's
a there's a festival, is it for

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the whole clan that joins it in
the festival for your initiation for the whole

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clan. Yes, the whole clan
is there and they join into the initiation.

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They eat meat, they drink,
you know, all of that is

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the initiation. When you come,
of course, they receive you, and

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then they all receive the meat that
I carry in my head. It's almost

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like you bring and they said,
okay, well come, you bring us

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a lot of wonderful stuff, like
almost like a rehessal of what you're going

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to do to the world, Like
you're bringing a lot of goodness to the

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world. You know. It's so
funny as you describe this efu, we

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don't have this in the West.
You're born and you're putting a little crib

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and then it's like you're on your
own, whereas there's something about this initiation

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that is very not only is it
a blessing, it's almost it's almost And

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you describe how your uncle is anointing
you in a way as part of a

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generation of your ancestors, and so
you have all these ancestors that are you

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know, there in memory aprationally.
You know, I think it's extremely powerful.

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It is powerful and the fact that
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do it because I think for him
sometimes it's very emotional, the father sending

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the doll, it's very emotional.
So the ancle usually will do it and

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the father will just be able to
observe. You know. It's very interesting,

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that's fascinating. All right. I
want you to describe this amazing.

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And I don't know if this is
a myth or not, but you talk

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about the snail healing and in the
book you describe how I guess that's your

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ancestors or the people before your birth
would place snails next to a wound,

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and the snail would crawl and the
slot whatever the slime is that they create,

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would cover the wound and heal it
immediately. Now you right in such

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a way that this is like earth
healing, you know, like like native

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world healing. And I'm like,
whoa, if that's true, So talk

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about that, yes, and so
uh, you know, this is the

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story that our grandfather used to tell
us, so they will say that he

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will tell us. Look when in
the past, in the history, our

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clan became small for some reason.
But even with that, they had to

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go to the war, you know, for fighting these things of war was

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always there, right even if they
didn't have guns, they have knives and

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spears, you know, and fighting
was about stealing the cows from each other,

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you know. Okay, So now
when they went into the fighting,

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they had they our clan some like, they were getting more beaten up and

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and the number was going down.
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prayed to the ancestors and asked the
ancestors to really help them recover this because

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they don't want to go, you
know, to the clan to get totally

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finished. And so the ancestors sent
this a snail that was very specific.

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It was beautiful, was big,
you know, it came and it came

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in in a in its shell and
it was placed at the back of the

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house of one of the ancestors.
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oh, yeah, what we were
praying for is here. So then they

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one of them from the dream.
I didn't put these details in there,

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but from the dream, one of
the ancestors saw the snail and went behind

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the house and so the snail was
there, and so then they know,

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okay, the snail is there to
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So whenever somebody was wounded from the
war, they will bring him right

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there, and then they put the
snail there, and the snail will come

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out of its shell, and of
course it woke over the wound and it

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smears its own that liquid that yeah, yeah, the land that is there

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and the wound will cover completely,
will be healed immediately instantaneously. So they

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were happy. And then the person
will get up and or go back to

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the wall, and they were like, what is going on? How come

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we we are not these people are
coming back. But you know, so

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then they just didn't know what the
secret was. So what you're saying is

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that the healing healing was so profound
that the person wouldn't die, they'd get

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up and recover. They go back
to fight. Yes, they get up

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and go back to fight. So
my grandfather told us in a way that

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what I think it was a way
I also learned from this. It was

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a way of telling the story.
You know how sometimes they say, oh,

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the when they used to go to
the war and then they were all

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killed, and then as kids we
all felt very sad. Oh they were

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killed, isn't that terrible? But
he said, no, the best part

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is still coming. And then he
told us that best part. So then

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the shell will come, the snail
will come and liak it and then they

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are alive again. So that for
me, working with trauma is like the

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healing of trauma, the transformation interesting
healed again. So it was just so

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beautiful and I thought, Okay,
this is another aspect I'm taking into the

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world. You know, heal those
who have been traumatized. They'll get up

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again, not to go back to
the wall, but to live life fully.

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So you use it as an analogy
for trauma. So trauma, someone

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has a traumatic experience, has internal
wounding and they need to clear it.

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And once they're cleared, they're refreshed
and ready to enter society again. Yes,

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they're ready to move on with life
again and full life. Okay,

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So it's a myth about the snail
or is it an actual story it actually

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happened, or you're not going to
tell me because you want to keep it

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curious. Okay, I think that's
fascinating. Let's talk a little bit about

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your life, and then I want
to get into this this family constellation therapy,

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which I find just amazing. You
didn't initially work in healing. Uh

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as a young person, you were
a teacher for many years. Yes,

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talk briefly about that. You taught
you know, secondary school, middle school,

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and talk a bit about that and
then transitioning into the healing. What

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was it that got you into the
actual work. Maybe it was when you

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moved to Brazil. But talk a
bit about that, would you please?

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Yes? Okay. So I became
my study you know, university's usual and

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I finished and then I actually studied
subjects like mathematics, physics, science subjects,

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physics, chemistry, biology. But
I always wanted to become a teacher

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because that it's a very nice thing
to be able to share knowledge with others.

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So yeah, sure enough, I
got a chance that I went to

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the Teachers Training College to learn how
to teach, and then of course I

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went to Actually I taught in the
seminar for three four years there and I

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taught these subjects you know that's actually
it's a high school. Yeah, from

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one to four we call it in
the British system. And so I taught

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mathematics, are biology, physics,
chemistry for four years. But there was

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something in me that was telling me, this is not enough. There's more.

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You need to do more to satisfy
my soul. I felt I need

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to do something even though like I
will teach during the week and during the

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weekend, I went to the community
and help women young people organized. I

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went on my own. Nobody sent
me. I didn't have any project,

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just on my own with whatever I
had to organize people and teach them about.

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I used to say, like,
you have to have an intention for

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your life, objective of your life. Why God created you for what we

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need to live. And that's what
I was working with people, with women

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and and as inviting them to find
their own calling, internal calling. And

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as with that, I started feeling
I need to follow my calling, something

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like vocation. So it was really
bothering me such a way that even when

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I had I had a boyfriend and
he wants to get married, and I

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said I can't. I can't because
I'm not settled in my mind. You

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know, I need to resolve something
big. I need to do something more

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than this just teaching science and mathematics
in the class. I think I have

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a higher a vocation I understanding.
Actually, he said, well, if

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you want to become a religious or
whatever, then I will understand that,

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and that was really fair enough.
So then I met this religious group and

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I told them my dilemma what I
want to do, and they said,

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oh, why don't you join us? We actually work with people all over

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the world helping them with healing,
with you know, healing with teaching with

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so many ways, especially those who
are disadvantaged. I said, okay,

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I will join you so I can
work there. I said, can I

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just join you and stay here?
They say, no, you have to

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actually go to New York. That's
where our center house is because there's where

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religious people that our center House is
in New York. And I actually I

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had a panic attack thinking of going
to New York's. I couldn't sleep for

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a couple of nights because I was
scared. It's going to be wind time.

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They said, the snow, and
how is that going to be?

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You know? So I had a
bit of difficulties accepting that. Said no,

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it's okay, you will manage.
So then I went. When I

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got to New York, then I
saw ow there's whole well met people from

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different cultures and you know, talking
and listening to the stories of work and

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healing. So then they said,
why would you like to go to mission

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after you have made your commitment towards
I said, I studied, and I

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said Brazil. I wanted to go
back to thousand. Yeah, but then

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I discovered that place. It's like, so I chose Brazil. Wow.

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And then when I got to Brazil, I will tell you what I think.

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The earth, Brazilian earth is what
helped me to integrate now begin to

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integrate, read all of my earthly
healing energy into action. Because as soon

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as I got to Brazil, I
started getting involved to the women there.

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I started this. When you talk
about a f a y is a is

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afia, it's called afia. It's
afia is the name itself in Swahili.

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It means healing health. Afia is
health. That's why. Yeah, Afia

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means health. So that then I, you know, I started that and

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we start helping the women heal all
of their traumas. There was a lot

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of violence and so and I was
as I was working with them, I

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discovered that it's just not enough to
you know, to shout or to do

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these methods of mental health or telling
stories was not enough. I started setting

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and that's when I came across somatic
experiencing. But in me and though,

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using herbal medicines of which I already
knew. I already using some kind of

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massage, you know, therapeutic massage, which I already knew, reflexology,

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which I already knew. So I
was using those methods to heal already,

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but I always felt that it was
not enough. However, when I was

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then, I was searching for more, and I found the somatic experiencing.

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Like the whole world opened up because
a lot of more healing happened, and

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I started now understanding somatic experiencing in
terms of the stories I had from my

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grandfather. It was something like the
Peter Levin's method really connected with my ancestors

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in some ways. Yeah, that's
fantastic. So it was a holistic method

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of healing that all kind of worked
together. Huh yes, yes, yes

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exactly, and just started into grating
it and it worked out that way.

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And I and I know everybodybody will
say to me, you're so present in

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this method, you do so well. When did you learn this? I

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mean I learned it very fast,
so it just integrated with my own enage

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very easily, and that's how it
continued. Yeah, so I want you

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to talk a little bit about family
constellation and transgenerational therapy because it is so

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amazing. I don't think I've ever
heard of it before, simply because it

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doesn't deal with the necessarily present problem. It goes back generations to pre to

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family influences that could have left scars
on each descending family group, and then

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you carry these scars. So give
us a brief hint about it. Yes.

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So then, of course, after
the somatic experiencing I found I thought

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that was my answer for everything,
but I found out it was not.

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So then I was introduced to family
Constellation system therapy and again the family consolation.

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As soon as I found it like
it also felt very much at home

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because I connected with my ancestors right
away. So when I started using it,

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I learned it very fast and everything
made sense. Integrated it with my

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00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:32.679
somatic experiencing, with my my roots. Now I could claim my roots now

409
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.159
as I could feel like I brought
them here to Brazil. Oh, I

410
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.800
found them in Brazil, like I
came here to reconnect with my ancestors in

411
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.599
many ways from the slavery too,
the people who were brought in as slaves,

412
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.320
Oh I, they reminded me so
much of home too. It was

413
00:36:52.360 --> 00:37:00.440
amazing real quickly, your book mentions
that there is an African community in Brazil.

414
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Is sixty percent of the population.
Is that what it is? Yes,

415
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:08.280
yes, very high. Yes,
the African descendant in Brazil, they're

416
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:19.800
about sixty percent of the population in
Brazil. So that whole migrating slaveship trauma

417
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.320
is very very generational, right,
it is very generational and it's right there.

418
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:29.840
So as was amazing. So for
me working with this method, I

419
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:36.039
just feel like we're healing the wounds
of years and years and years and so

420
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.960
it is just amazing. Yeah.
Yeah, So now let's get it back

421
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.039
so we don't get lost too much
of this. I want to explain though,

422
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.079
how it works. That is very
important for the listener. Yeah,

423
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:51.840
that was my next question. If
okay, give it, tell us how

424
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.280
it works, and if you would
please give us an example without using names

425
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.320
of somebody, I would love to
hear about somebody who had great grandparents who

426
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:07.039
were on the slave ships and how
you release that trauma because that is embedded

427
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.719
on a cellular level, right,
yes, yes, yes, yeah.

428
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:19.239
So so one of the first of
all we talk about this method of family

429
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:24.800
consolation, is it helps our client
of the people, the group of people

430
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:36.679
who are listening to it, is
to help them to really understand their conflicts

431
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:43.000
that have been passing on over and
over and over again. Family conflicts.

432
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:51.599
These all kinds of problems that have
been carried on, and even some patents

433
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:59.320
of that, like alcoholic patents and
drag patterns that been having passed on and

434
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:05.320
over and over again from one generation
to another and make everyone so unhappy,

435
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:12.199
and nobody can explain that. To
family consolation, it helps us to understand

436
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:16.039
where is that coming from. And
when we look at it, it will

437
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:22.119
look it's almost like we're looking at
something that it's invisible. But the family

438
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:29.679
consolation help us to see it clearly
of how it became about. And when

439
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.280
we talk about being invisible, and
yet the method help us to be seen,

440
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:39.960
it's because the method itself, it
uses other people, human beings,

441
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.519
you know, to represent other members
of the family. And as you play,

442
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:51.440
it's almost like a social drama,
but it's not exactly the drama,

443
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:57.079
but you're representing other people, and
yet you bring the energy of that of

444
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:02.039
those people in here, and then
people beginning to understand begins to understand what

445
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:07.360
had happened in the past. You
can play it is exactly. You can

446
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:15.599
use exact people, or you can
use you know, like little dolls or

447
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.159
any representation you Okay, so let
me stop you real quickly here. So

448
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:27.239
what you're saying is the therapy is
developed where you bring in the ancestors who

449
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:34.400
you are acknowledging, and through some
kind of role playing you can bring their

450
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:42.000
energy in a present state and articulate
them or speak, And that's the therapy.

451
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:47.639
By speaking it, yes, by
explaining what is going on when they

452
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.599
speak, then we begin to understand. Ah, that was the problem,

453
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:58.440
right, Okay, So when they
yeah, when they share how they are

454
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.719
feeling, we ask them to explain
how they are feeling, and they bring

455
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.679
up these feelings, these emotions that
help us to understand what is happening in

456
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:15.280
the present life. It's amazing.
Yeah. And so then I'll give you

457
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.920
an example quickly, because as we
are talking here people, it can become

458
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:25.199
very abstract. It is very I'm
going if we got to give somebody,

459
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.519
I mean, can you give like
a case study of perhaps a woman who

460
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:37.719
you worked with who was able to
extract her ancestors and perhaps relived being on

461
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:45.119
these slave ships or that's a horrible
experience, you know, or something that

462
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:52.360
kind of identifies her trauma with alcohol
abuse or drug abuse or sexual abuse or

463
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.719
whatever. I don't know, all
right, Okay, so maybe I'll give

464
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.840
you a very good example. Actually
this one of it was a young man.

465
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.280
Okay, I was a young man
who's was not in the in the

466
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.719
in the in the ship, you
know, from the ship from the slavery.

467
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.920
Maybe I will remember another one from
the slavery. But this young man,

468
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:20.840
he was actually an evangelical who decided
not to ever drink or not to

469
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:28.920
ever use any substance abuse and drugs
or anything, because he said his father

470
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:37.679
and his grandfather and his grand great
grandfather were alcoholics, and therefore he resolved

471
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:43.079
that if he became a religious evangelical
religious where they don't drink at all,

472
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:47.840
he will resolve all the problems.
However, by doing that, he was

473
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.039
doing a big judgment. Actually,
he's so proud they were it's almost like

474
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.639
saying that they were doing wrong and
I'm going to do the right thing.

475
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:04.159
So yeah, that judgment comes in
there. So anyway, yeah, he

476
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.679
decided he was doing quite well.
When he got married. He had a

477
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.639
son, and the son was about
five years old, and then he got

478
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:17.599
involved with these what do you call
that, people who do not believe in

479
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:25.239
God? Atheists, you know as
atheists who aren't say that we don't believe

480
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.960
that God exists. And they do
this in the through the computer. So

481
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.800
they and then you go to the
face you know, on our days with

482
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.719
the medium. So they go to
the Facebook and he goes he was into

483
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.480
that, going to the Facebook and
found them and he started arguing with them,

484
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.599
Oh, yeah, God exists,
God is here, God is good,

485
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.079
and God is that, and they
say, nah, you don't know

486
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.760
what you're talking about. So they
go back and forth. Yeah, with

487
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.760
his fingers on the on the computer. Yeah, you know what I'm going

488
00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.639
to say, right. He got
addicted to that, so addicted to that

489
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.400
that one day his little boy five
years old goes like ten o'clock, eleven

490
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.400
o'clock. He said that let's go
to bed, and why are you always

491
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.239
in that computer? He's like,
go, go, go, go to

492
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.480
go to sleep with your mom.
He pushed the boys over that with his

493
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:22.239
hand and then the boy fell off
and he was his head was bleeding,

494
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.960
and the mother come out and said
what is going on here? And he's

495
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.199
still on there. He said,
I'm talking to this fes. I didn't

496
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:37.320
want to show them God. And
so of course when she got there and

497
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.960
shook him and said, what are
you doing? The boy is bleeding.

498
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.079
We have to take him to the
hospital what they call an ambulance. And

499
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.599
of course they're saying why the father
was beating the kid. It became a

500
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.400
big issue. Then he woke up, what am I doing? I'm so

501
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:55.960
addicted. So then he became so
guilt. He lost it because I think

502
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.400
he remembered that he's addicted and now
trying to be better, so he was

503
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:08.079
he completely lost it and he started
yelling and screaming and beating people. They

504
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:15.679
had to put him in the the
hospital of the Mental Psychic Hichic War.

505
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.639
Yeah. So then you know,
people visited him and people who knew him

506
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.239
said, no, I think they
do family consolation. He will be okay.

507
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.480
They could sid that he was just
taking the medication and he was not

508
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.239
getting better, and so they brought
him to us. So we did a

509
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:37.320
family consolation. So where did it
go? When we're doing a family consolation?

510
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:43.880
We just put somebody to represent him, his father and grandfather and you

511
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.840
know, and his alcoholics, and
he's not him, but his addiction.

512
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.719
We put his addiction. You know
why his addiction went to when when to

513
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:59.679
place itself in the grand great grandparents
that way back there, that were in

514
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.000
Africa, or are they in Brazil? They were in Brazil. Oh,

515
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.320
he had come over already. They
were in Brazil already. But it was

516
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:15.199
an African ancestry, and that African
ancestry said, well, you're right,

517
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:22.360
you think we are wrong? How
about you? Now? Okay they speak

518
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:29.920
like that, and then everybody understood. Oh. So actually this connection of

519
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:37.599
his addiction is connected to his to
the grandparents' addiction, like, you think

520
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.960
we are wrong, how about you? Now look at what you did.

521
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:47.639
We never heard our children. You
had your son. And the person who's

522
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.320
saying that doesn't even know him,
but it's somebody who is just representing,

523
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.719
and everybody who is there saying,
oh my gosh. I think because he

524
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:04.639
was so proud of not drinking and
judging his own ancestors and he thought he

525
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.800
was doing the right thing. But
now look at what happened. So what

526
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.960
do we do? In the end, we ask him, we have something

527
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.639
in the family consolation, which is
called the orders of love and the orders

528
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.280
of love. I saw that,
Yeah, you saw that. There has

529
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:27.920
to do with something of really lots
of respect. It's like honoring, reverencing

530
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.920
those who came before us. And
so what he did actually for him to

531
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:37.599
get well again come from the mental
health problem. He had to reverence his

532
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:44.239
ancestors and said, yes, I
cannot mess with what you had. I

533
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.960
don't know where it came from.
It's too big for me. I leave

534
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.199
it with you, and that I
will ask for your blessing. That is

535
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:58.440
what is important, and your strength
and your love, and I can move

536
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:04.360
on with my son and my wife. Thanks, that was enough, and

537
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:12.079
he's healed. We're gonna take a
short commercial break to allow our sponsors to

538
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:17.519
identify themselves and we will return shortly
with my guest today, Ifu Nayaki,

539
00:48:20.119 --> 00:49:00.719
will be right back. My guest
today is Ifu Nayaki. She is a

540
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:07.679
Tanzanian healer with the tradition of working
with people with trauma and also the family

541
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:15.800
dynamic trauma down through generations. Talk
a real briefly, because this is an

542
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:22.960
amazing technique transgenerational therapy. Somebody must
be in a bad state to come to

543
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:27.320
you. First of all, right, or can it be anybody who has

544
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.039
an issue that is kind of intuitively
bothering them and they want to work on

545
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:37.840
it exactly. The second part anything
like you feel like, I'm quite satisfied

546
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.840
with my life right now. I
don't know what's going on. I'm okay,

547
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.880
get a good salary, I have
a familiar wife, have children.

548
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.840
But it's just something that right you're
just start in the family consolation. It

549
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.199
will show you what is going on. That's so amazing. The other thing

550
00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:00.599
IFU is that you made it seem
like there is more than one therapist in

551
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.559
the room with this person. Is
that the case or is it like three

552
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:08.679
or four people that are working with
this individual and they're all kind of giving

553
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:14.480
them hints of what they're seeing or
feeling. Yes, Like you know when

554
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:20.320
I said when I talked about representation, So we talk about it's very nice.

555
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.719
When you are you want to do
the therapy. Then you invite the

556
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.639
person who is going to who's bringing
the issue. Let's say this is the

557
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:35.039
client, So you ask them to
pick people from their room. In the

558
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.920
room, you will have we always
this is like a community healing really,

559
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:43.880
Oh, you have full of people
like seven eight, nine, ten eleven

560
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.039
depet and they also come with their
own cases, but they just want to

561
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.679
watch. So they're sitting in a
second, and you ask now the client

562
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:59.920
to pick up somebody to represent,
to represent this person themselves, to represent

563
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.199
the issue that is making them feeling
uncomforab wait stop for a minute. So

564
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:08.960
you're in the circle and you are
the leader, is saying, pick somebody

565
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:17.360
to represent your grandfather to represent the
problem. Yeah, well you right,

566
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.519
you don't have to pick up the
grandfather yet, okay, right, like

567
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.000
you come. You can imagine you
come and you say, I have something

568
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.159
bothering me, but I don't know
exactly what is, and said, okay,

569
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:36.360
come over. So as a pick
up somebody to represent yourself and somebody

570
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:42.440
to represent the problem. Oh so
they do that. Okay, Now they

571
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:50.320
pick up somebody who does not know
them at all. Okay. So then

572
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.519
after that the therapist, now everybody
else seats and wait, including the client

573
00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.760
watching, And then we what we
do is we just let the energy sit

574
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.800
in the room. We keep quiet, and in the quiet there is a

575
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:15.360
movement. Those who were chosen to
represent They begin to do some unconscious movement

576
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.119
without knowing what they are doing.
They feel uncomfortable and they start moving,

577
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.639
or they go here or they go
there, and oftentimes, if the problem

578
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:31.760
was then connected to the ancestors,
they move back behind the person because we

579
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:38.199
have the understanding that our ancestors is
behind are behind us. This is so

580
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:44.719
strange. It's amazing that you're setting
a resonance, a certain healing circle.

581
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.760
Yeah, and the energy is bringing
in the energy of these previous souls.

582
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:55.519
Yes, exactly, exactly and without
knowing, and it's so simple. And

583
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.800
they go there and we said,
okay, this place is a represent of

584
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:05.360
this ancestor. So we say what
do you know about your ancestor for and

585
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.719
say, oh, yeah, you
know, my ancestor came from the slavery

586
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:15.159
and they had this problem and that
problem. And then we start tracing back.

587
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.039
Maybe you need to add more,
maybe his wife, maybe he had

588
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.519
five wives. You put them there, and then all of a suddenly,

589
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:27.519
you know they you just listen to
their language, what they're bringing up,

590
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.880
and then actually the solution comes about. We begin to understand what is going

591
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:37.280
on. And the people, the
person who came, they understand more than

592
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.639
everybody else. They said, now
I understand what's going on. I have

593
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.440
a grandfather who died of this,
and I always thought of him, and

594
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:51.760
I really would like to give this
back to him so I can live my

595
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.079
life today. So you give it
back to him because he's bigger. So

596
00:53:55.159 --> 00:54:04.119
what we're doing here in the TransGeneration
of healing as like the new generations,

597
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:10.159
we have a tendency of wanting to
take over and repeat exactly what our ancestors

598
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:17.000
did because either we judge them to
things very important, Either we judge them

599
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.159
because they didn't do the right thing, or we feel pity for them.

600
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:29.639
We pity them, and we're not
supposed to do none of that. We're

601
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.960
supposed to reverence them, to thank
them for being who they are, great

602
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:42.320
people and anyway they are inside of
us and we can do better today because

603
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:46.840
of their blessings. And I think
they're very happy to see us doing better,

604
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.559
but they don't want us to feel
pity for them or to judge them.

605
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:01.599
Talk about a quote that you have
a chapter this says trauma is measured

606
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:09.280
by impact, not events. Yeah, talk about that, because your entire

607
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.239
book is about the subtleties of trauma. We don't see trauma, and trauma

608
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.800
doesn't necessarily have to be a cut
on the arm. It's a cut on

609
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:23.280
the soul that is hidden, but
we don't see it. So someone can

610
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:30.400
be working around, walking around completely
damaged by the heaviness of the traumas it's

611
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:38.559
afflicted on his life. So talk
about that quote of uh not impact,

612
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:45.880
No excuse me, it's not event. It's measured by impact. Yes,

613
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:52.280
exactly, because sometimes when we talk
about trauma, people always go and wanting

614
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:59.760
to tell stories about the event itself. But really the event is something that

615
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:06.280
happened in the past. It's gone, but it's our reaction, how we

616
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:15.599
reacted towards that event. This is
what remained in our neighbor's system. Yeah,

617
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.719
now if remember I will, I
will go back to some examples that

618
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:23.920
I give. If when my grandfather
was telling the story, if he wasn't

619
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:31.440
careful enough to bring the healing part
listening to his story of people who were

620
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:37.440
killed in the war, it could
have traumatized me, Yeah, because I

621
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.280
was like, oh my gosh,
they were taken to the war and they

622
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:45.199
all died. So now my ancestors
are very few, so we have very

623
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.559
few, and I will feel pity
on them. I'll be stuck in there

624
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:53.400
until today. So that's it.
It's the impact. How does that story

625
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:59.519
impacted me? When I was listening
to him? But it was clever enough.

626
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.920
When I was about to get the
impact, he pulled me out and

627
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.360
said, wait, there's the best
part that is coming, and the best

628
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:13.920
part is the results. Uh huh. There was something else which brought the

629
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:21.519
healing. And where there's a trauma, there's always a resource. Yeah,

630
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.079
we just look around and see it
so that we are not stuck on the

631
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:30.119
trauma all the time. But remember
that there was a resource for healing.

632
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:37.119
Okay, so trauma is very subtle. I was just mentioning you don't necessarily

633
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:42.440
see it, but a lot of
us are walking around with a lot of

634
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.559
trauma, are we? Yes?
How do we resolve? Do you?

635
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.000
I mean, give us a technique
if you will. And by the way,

636
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:55.679
those of you listening, this book
that IFU has written has wonderful solutions

637
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:02.519
for She calls them action steps for
resolving problems. Give us a couple.

638
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:08.480
Here's one. A huge problem that
you list in the book is stress.

639
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:15.039
Yeah, and can you give us
a few action steps for managing stress?

640
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:22.480
Yes? The action steps for managing
stress is, first of all, okay,

641
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.840
you're stressed, up and mostly many
people who are traumatized, who have

642
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.440
trauma in the body. Like you
said, many of us walk around with

643
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:36.079
traumas. You just feel your body
feels like it has to do something all

644
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.880
the time, so you cannot settle, you cannot see, you see,

645
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.760
but you're always looking around. Like
now they sit, but they're always looking

646
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.320
at the telephones. Oh my god, those iPhones are terrible. Yeah,

647
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.880
you see it. But they're always
trying to do something. This is signs

648
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:58.480
of trauma and stress. So one
action step I suggest is, first of

649
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:05.800
all, we invite people to sit
and begin to notice their feet on the

650
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.239
ground. This is what we call
the ground. It's simple. Few shoes

651
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:13.800
on the floor there, and feel
like, oh yeah, I'm grounded.

652
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.199
As you're tapping the shoes on the
floor, like you're feeling, Oh yeah,

653
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.880
there's a floor beneath me and it
is holding me, it's crowning me.

654
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.400
So there's a chair that I'm sitting
on. And then it's giving me

655
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:30.039
some com foot Oh that's nice.
And when I notice those two things,

656
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:35.599
how do I feel? I take
a deep breath, and already I'm beginning

657
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.480
to get out of whatever I was. I wanted to do. And I'm

658
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:46.000
settling here inviting people to be in
the present moment and noticing what is here

659
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:52.880
right now, and then we are
guiding them into the body because it is

660
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:58.039
in the body where the trauma is. So when you're able to connect with

661
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:04.599
your body, you're actually being able
to feel present of here now. And

662
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:13.280
then as you're doing that, slowly
magic energy is being liberated from your never

663
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:16.599
as system. Because you might feel
like a little bit of tingling, a

664
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:22.719
little bit of learning, a little
bit of trembling, and that is why

665
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:29.360
the liberation of energy is happening.
So do you feel much better? Actually?

666
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:38.599
Here in America, my African American
friends have been immersed in trauma because

667
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:45.679
of the civil rights, because of
just the lifestyle abuse, racism. Yes.

668
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:52.039
And I have come to realize in
many cases, they are numb to

669
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:59.079
their feelings, yes, And so
they can't get in touch with their emotions.

670
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.480
They're just angry all the time and
wanna and want to fight, and

671
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:07.559
wanna reach out and say, You're
not going to treat me like this anymore.

672
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:14.639
I'm a human being, da dad. How do those individuals begin to

673
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:19.920
heal the trauma? Because I think
what you're doing is amazing. And if

674
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.199
their intuition is turned off, they're
not going to know what to do.

675
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:30.599
Yes, they do know inside themselves. Okay, Now there's lots of trauma

676
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:37.800
with these people of African descendant of
African American, Brazilian American, I mean

677
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.639
Brazilian, African, Brazilian, all
of these, you know, Caribbean.

678
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:46.599
You have all these African people inside
their bodies. Okay, so what we

679
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:52.400
invite them? You know how African
people are so good with singing and dancing.

680
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.760
Yeah, so I invite when I
work with people like this, I

681
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:00.480
know there. Now, I invite
them to start harming for exams. Hey,

682
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:04.039
let's do a little bit. Let's
do a little bit of humming.

683
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:23.159
Immediately they join you because it's in
the blood when they start humming and they

684
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:28.079
start moving their body. Also,
this is a way of healing trauma.

685
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:34.679
It's really a very very good resource. So beginning to feel a little bit

686
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.480
of mint rhythm and they start feeling
happy, and with that you can capture

687
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:44.599
it with and now how are you
feeling? Asking their badly sensation and they're

688
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:50.960
explaining and then little by little,
actually you're helping them reberating all the traumatic

689
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.800
energy. But This is a way
of getting them in touch with their body

690
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:59.960
through the resources they have had.
I know that harming is one of them

691
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.480
singing, dancing, and you know, just this is a cultural way and

692
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.320
it helps, and this they learned
from their ancestors also, ha ha.

693
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:20.960
I really like the idea of the
reliving the ancestral trauma and getting in touch

694
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.199
with that because it could be my
great great great grandfather. He stands in

695
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.719
front of me and this is what
he's telling me. This is what I'm

696
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:34.599
feeling about him, and getting in
touch with his feelings and seeing because of

697
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:38.920
the blood it being passed down to
me and maybe I have this issue with

698
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:44.760
this thing or that thing. It's
like, it's so amazing, and then

699
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:50.920
using intelligent emotion and saying, well, I give you back the suffering because

700
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:55.280
you already dealt with it, but
I will take the blessing and the goodness.

701
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:01.760
I'll take the blessing, I'll take
the strength because the suffering, you

702
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:08.280
see, you're living in the present
moment. The suffering, it's already happened,

703
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:14.039
and they took it with them,
they died with it. But today

704
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.280
I don't have a need to suffer
anymore like them, but I can reclaim

705
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:29.280
their strength and their resources. The
books called Healing Trauma through Family Constellations and

706
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:35.800
Somatic Experiencing. My guess today has
been Efu Nayaki. As we conclude,

707
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:43.599
talk a little bit about and this
is for women, sexual trauma and how

708
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:47.719
do you resolve this? Because here
in the West, you know, some

709
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.679
people are raised with respect how to
respect others? Some people are not.

710
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.320
Do you not understand what respect is? And relationships and things like that,

711
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.320
and so you get in a relationship
and all of a sudden, you don't

712
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.199
know what the hell you're doing,
and you hurt people because trauma. But

713
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:11.880
I'm curious about sexual trauma because it
is so prevalent. Yeah, it is.

714
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.360
First of all, there's something we
call order, you know, the

715
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.280
order of love. Also one of
the orders of love is that there's order

716
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:25.760
in the family. Right, so
there's a place of a mother, there's

717
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:30.360
a place of a father. It's
very traditional. But you have partners who

718
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:34.559
are not father or mother. They
are two men together or the two right,

719
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.880
you know, like, let me
finish this fetter. I can give

720
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.119
an example of two men that get
together and they want to be you know,

721
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:45.159
they want to create a family.
So when you have a mother here

722
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.840
and a father, the traditional and
father, and then they have a child.

723
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:56.840
When a father and a mother know
their places, even when they fight,

724
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.920
they know their father and a mother, and a child is a child

725
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:11.639
when we know that the love flow
in a very organized way. When now

726
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.400
the father fight with the mother and
then now they start looking at the child

727
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:20.719
as a partner and live alone,
live the partner on the side, or

728
01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:26.360
they start having competition in you know, in terms of their child. They

729
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:31.960
start pulling the child into their fighting. And after sometimes this create what I

730
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:35.840
called I think I might have mentioned
in the book too. I call it

731
01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:45.039
sexual entanglements. And the sexual entanglements
they begin to repeat. They could have

732
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:48.519
come from the ancestors too, but
they begin to repeat. Where you have

733
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:55.960
a father and a daughter very close
relationship, even if they don't have sexual

734
01:06:56.039 --> 01:07:01.239
intercourse, but they really have this
energy and big words energy which the doctor.

735
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.119
The daughter doesn't get resolved, he
cannot, she cannot really get married

736
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:10.039
to anybody and resolve themselves. The
father doesn't get along with the mother,

737
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.960
and if he marries somebody else,
it's hard because the daughter is always there.

738
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:19.079
So this is sexual entanglement. And
this repeats themselves in so many ways.

739
01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:25.199
Now, when people like this move
on into their marriage, sometimes they

740
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:30.800
found their sexual lives and you know, like entangled in many ways, where

741
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:34.320
then you find the rapes begin to
happen, the incests begin to happen.

742
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:41.039
Because many intersts that I work with, I found a lot of these entanglements

743
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:48.159
that happened before them. So usually
I found the sexual issues, sexual matters,

744
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:56.719
sexual traumas are connected to trans transgenerational
trauma. Wow, when we are

745
01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:00.480
able to look at that, we
heal a lot of sexual traumas. When

746
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:04.880
we look at the sexual traumas as
like this guy is very bad, he

747
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:09.719
did something wrong, he's wrong,
he's wrong, he's wrong. He will

748
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:14.000
just keep repeating, you know all
this woman is wrong and wrong and wrong.

749
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:17.159
It just keep repeating. But when
we look at the roots and look

750
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:24.439
at where the entanglement started, we
are able to heal trauma, sexual trauma

751
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:30.439
in its roots completely. Yeah.
And so now, because I'm talking with

752
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.079
people from the United States from you
know, west, from the West,

753
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:38.960
also just want to say that this
is not only for the traditional family.

754
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:43.960
But if I have two men who
are a couple and they decided to adapt

755
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:48.800
a child. If the two stays
in their place, yeah, and they're

756
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:54.119
very much united even when they are
fighting, but they know their place as

757
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:59.039
partner, then the child who is
adapted knows that they they are the child

758
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:03.119
who's adapted. But if the two
fights and they start bringing that child inside,

759
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:08.600
it will be the same way.
So it doesn't matter what kind of

760
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:15.640
relationship this is, but it is
the place of who is adult and who

761
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:20.560
is a child, and how the
adult relates and they don't let their energy

762
01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:27.920
overpower their children. Yeah, this
is where the issue is and this is

763
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:33.279
how I heal sexual trauma and sexual
entanglements. Do you think that sexual relations

764
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:42.159
are too casual for a lot of
people and that the entanglements can happen with

765
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:45.239
this casual feelings? I mean not
that you have to pray to God every

766
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:53.279
time you have sex, but you
know, can I don't know, it

767
01:09:53.399 --> 01:10:02.079
just came out. What do you
say a therapist? I know, as

768
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:06.399
a therapist, I you know,
let me as a therapist, I will

769
01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:14.640
tell you this sexual energy is one
of the most powerful energy. It's a

770
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:21.159
life giving energy. Yeah, and
so when you use it correctly, it's

771
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:29.960
faful, it's life giving, it's
pleasurable. It's just the most that's all

772
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:34.279
we have for life giving. That's
so I even come to I know that's

773
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:39.479
you know, when people have this, they feel more alive. Yeah,

774
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:44.640
they feel more alive and more more, more together, more happier and all

775
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:50.239
of that. But because of all
the entanglement, it becomes an object and

776
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:56.600
it missed. It gets to be
misused, you know, and used in

777
01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:03.399
the wrong place, used as a
punishment you used as you know, and

778
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:09.439
apart from punishment, it can also
be used as a revenge, you know

779
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:15.319
what I mean. So we misuse
the energy, and again it's because of

780
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:19.640
the sexual entanglement. We trace it
back, we find it in some of

781
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:26.760
the ancestors where it was tack someplace, and now we can actually help to

782
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:35.239
untangle it and people live again.
This very powerful, wonderful, very very

783
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:41.960
pleasurable energy that is life giving to
all. Let me I want to ask

784
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:47.279
you again about the transgenerational trauma.
How much how acute is it? As

785
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:53.159
a therapist, do you see it
like everybody's got this issue or are some

786
01:11:53.239 --> 01:12:00.119
people so perhaps they came in a
little more evolved in the average person and

787
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.640
they cleared it out as a young
person I don't know how they would do

788
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:06.520
it, but maybe they were into
meditation, or they got into reiki,

789
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:12.520
or they got into some form of
cleansing and that trauma is gone. But

790
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.199
talk about that for a bit.
I mean what we can say, we

791
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:23.800
say, like trauma is very rampant. Many people have trauma. Transgenerational trauma

792
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:29.439
is there, but it's not like
every moment you'll find it. Like you

793
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.359
you're in your life, and that's
even where you are right now in your

794
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:35.119
work. You've been doing well,
great job, but all of suddenly there's

795
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:40.680
something that comes up that becomes like
a little bit of mysterious. You go

796
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:45.520
to the therapies, but you cannot
really resolve it. And then let me

797
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.479
check with transgenerational trauma, and you
find that is result there. So it's

798
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:53.880
not like something you carry, you
know, throughout your life. But it's

799
01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:59.399
part of our daily life. You
know why, because we are our ancestors.

800
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:06.000
Read their DNA. Yeah, if
so, whatever in our thinking and

801
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:14.079
our doing, in our everything we
do, sometimes some of their energy,

802
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:20.479
cellular energy perhaps up. I've done
most of my work like this and I

803
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.399
feel like I'm resolved, but once
in a while, I can't have a

804
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:28.319
little conflict, and I said,
what is this? And I go and

805
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.800
to open the family conslation. I
do work with it, and I found

806
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:36.039
it in some ancestors too, or
I found it in Yeah, sometimes it's

807
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:41.760
in our own belief system too,
And and you know, you entangle it

808
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:46.079
and you continue living. So it's
a continuous process because they're part of us.

809
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.680
We are part of them, but
we make sure we give them their

810
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:55.319
place and we have our place,
and we don't want to suffer for them,

811
01:13:55.560 --> 01:14:00.960
but we want to get more their
resources, their blessings. And if

812
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:06.479
this has been really an enjoyable interview
and you really shed light on a whole

813
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:13.720
new way to deal with trauma and
its influence on our life. As we

814
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:18.119
conclude in a number of locations in
the book, you suggest that this book

815
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:24.640
is a resource. How can people
who purchase the book use it as a

816
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:29.840
resource. What would your suggestions be? Well, I suggest it as a

817
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resource because when they read and it's
very simple, I write, very simple,

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right, of course, I think
it's very easy to read. Yes,

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But then at the end of every
chapter we have those action steps,

820
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right, and in the action steps, you read slowly and you put it

821
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down and you practice it. It
really helps you to Some people have already

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told me that they they already got
benefit from it just stopping and practicing it

823
01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:00.800
by themselves. Yeah, especially those
who know so much experiencing, because it's

824
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good to stop and pay attention to
your body. Because with somatic experiencing,

825
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you're able to be present. That
helps a lot to practice whatever I have

826
01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:15.319
given there. Everything's helpful, it's
not. People can get in touch with

827
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me and then I will tell them
what to do. Call me in Brazil.

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Can you do self healing with the
family constellations or do you still have

829
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to have the group where sometimes you
can? Because if I come across something

830
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that I just remember that, oh
wow, that like I remember one time

831
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telling a story about my mother.
Okay, this is very simple. I

832
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told the story about my mother and
I said, my mother was a very

833
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simple and naive person. Okay.
So now after sometimes I remember I had

834
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a little bit of a guilt in
my heart and I actually I ended up

835
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:05.159
having a conflict with one of the
colleagues that we are working together, and

836
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this colleague I also look at her
the same way. I thought she was

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very simple and naive. I know, but all I suddenly when I'm meditated

838
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:21.439
about it and I become aware.
I went back and Anna my mother,

839
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and I said, you know,
when I say that, I think I

840
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still carry a little pride in me
thinking that I knew better than you.

841
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And now when I do it to
you, I repeat it to the people

842
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:41.359
I live with today. So I
actually lie down and Anna, I reverenced

843
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:45.960
my mother and say, I'm sorry
for calling you naive. I mean,

844
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if I think you and naive,
I am too because of your p So

845
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:55.479
I better say that I better change
my language. And that's it. And

846
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then I got I got better alone
with the other colleague I was working with,

847
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So I ended up doing it.
When you have the knowledge, you

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might be able to untangle some little
things, but there are some big things

849
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that you need a group that helps
to you. At the very beginning,

850
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you mentioned using intention. How important
is intention in the healing process? Oh?

851
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:21.640
Yeah, intention? So what do
I really want to do this?

852
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:27.000
Like? What is my intention as
I'm sitting here with you? Okay,

853
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:30.920
I put it my intention. There's
one point you ask a question and I'm

854
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.520
like, okay, God, help
me to answer this in a way that

855
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:41.199
it brings clarity to people I love. That good for you, Sally.

856
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:45.239
You know when you asked about the
sexual trauma, I knew this is very

857
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:49.840
polemic. So immediately it's like okay, God, okay, there comes please

858
01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:55.399
help me. The intention here is
not to create any polemic here, but

859
01:17:55.520 --> 01:18:00.680
to help people understand. Okay.
It works like a magic like that.

860
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:06.560
IFU, it's been a pleasure speaking
with you, and I know you're ready

861
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:11.560
to go to sleep now it's way
past your bedtime, and I appreciate you

862
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.319
staying up to interview with me.
It's been a lot of fun. Thank

863
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:18.880
you, Thank you so much,
and I will actually go right to bed

864
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:24.920
and then we'll continue mean in touch. I will send you the website,

865
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:29.760
the clean website. Yeah, okay, bye bye, Thank you very much.

866
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:40.760
Ifu's therapeutic approach is not that unusual. It's been going on a lot.

867
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:46.479
It's not offered by allopathy, it's
not offered by oriental medicine. It's

868
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:55.279
unique. And if you do a
search for traumatic therapists and actually family constellation

869
01:18:56.039 --> 01:19:00.760
therapy or trauma reduction, you'll find
it. I'm sure on the internet.

870
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:05.239
Always do near me when you're doing
a search, and that's where it'll come

871
01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:10.119
up. So it's nice having her
on the program. And I know it's

872
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:14.960
funny. I have a number of
friends who are African American and they,

873
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:20.920
you know, I can't imagine what
they're going through, especially those people who

874
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live in the Southern United States,
Southern States where there is systemic racism.

875
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It's just part of the culture.
You know. People can't help themselves.

876
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It's handed down generationally, and that
is so traumatic, you know, just

877
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being treated poorly by your neighbor,
by your community. It's a challenge,

878
01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:49.279
you know. So anyhow, that
was interesting. I want to mention that

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that's it for this program. I want

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to think my guest today Ifu Nayaki, as always, the team of Gail

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tor Mark Foster and everyone who makes
this thing happen. You guys rock,

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all right, take care of me
well, and we will talk to you

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next time.