M HM live from the post apocalyptic hellscape that is northern California. It's the
giant bomb casts you get still alive? Yeah, everybody check in. Jeff
here alive account of four Ask later, ask again later, answer hazy table
that one for now. Yeah, Drew Scandaling, I think we lot Drew
has gone into emergency broadcast mode. Is he's a dead man? Switch?
If that buzzer stuffed buzzing, you know something bad happen. I am confident
with Dan record is still alive. It was my first earthquake. You're not
gonna let a little thing. I woke up and it was crazy at a
little thing like a roll? What is it? A rolling tembler? Is
that what they called this one? What it had a specific name? I
heard a lot that there was a lot of lateral movement, Yes, there
was one. It was a rolling aspect to it. I want to hear
first earthquake experience. Okay. I was kind of drunk. It was the
night of hood Slam, so I drank a bunch of whiskey. I saw
a picture of you at hood Slam and get it checks out Getting whiskey porn
in from brose If Joe brody. Uh so, yeah, I fell asleep
right when I got back, and then I woke up at like three twenty
and I felt this like rumbling, and I thought it was the train passing
by, and then it kept kept shaking more and more and going on way
too long. What kind of train do you have going by your house that
you couldn't stake that rumbling for a train? The mooney thing, I don't
know. Sometimes it rumbles. And I was drunk, but I woke up
fucking moonies, man, I can't trust them. Nope. And so I
wake up and I was like, oh, this is this has got to
be and this is an earthquake here. And I was like, I don't
what am I supposed to do here? Because I know tornadoes you go down
to the bottom floor and he's sitting near a wall or whatever. And I
thought about that for like two seconds and still kept going on, and I
was like, I'm on the top floor. I'm on a mattress. If
my apartment building collapses, I'll probably just surf the mattress now and I'll be
fine. Yeah, that's so I just went back to bed, all right,
And I woke up. Fine, let'st'll stop for a minute. Let's
do a little personal audit. Okay, how if you had to let's let's
okay, turn your gaze inward. How would you rate your earthquake preparedness if
you had to put a letter grade on it. I think I'm just kind
of in general bulletproof. So I think I'm totally prepared for. I've survived
microbursts and tornadoes and earthquakes and yeah, yeah, just throw whatever you got
to me hurricanes. Doorway, that's what That's what I've always been told.
Yeah, you want to go stand in the door. Why why would that
case? They're reinforced in a way that they are less likely to collapse.
There's more structural support there, there's nothing above you. Yeah, and there's
nothing to fall on you. There's a roof above you. Oh yeah yeah,
but but no matter where you are roofs, other parts of the roof
are going to collapse before the part over the doorway. Okay, So it's
like what I'm saying, I'm kind of in a wall. Yeah, okay,
I guess you get us like a stud finder or something. No,
no, you stick. You just look for the nearest place where a door
opens, where the door the door. The door is opened, open the
door where the door goes. When the door is closed, the door the
door to act like you're a door. It seems easy enough. Yeah,
and you'll be fine, easy, but not a member of the doors.
It's a mistake. A lot of don't want to do that. No,
trew, what was your earthquake experience? Like, I didn't wake up,
No, slept through it, slept through it? Holy crap? Yeah,
well you were born out here? Yeah, so yeah, I was about
to ask what you're eighty nine earthquake experience was like, but then I had
to stop and wonder if you were alive for that one. I was,
but I was on a flight. Oh yeah, and it was diverted.
I was coming back to San Francisco and I got diverted to Sacramento. I
think, So, you've missed all the big ones out here. Yeah,
because this one, this is the biggest one since eighty nine. Yeah right,
yeah, this is a six point zero. That pretty good. That
one was a six point nine. I want to say, did that do
a bunch of like Damna? Ninthquake was bad? Like, okay, a
lot of people died, a lot of oh wow, a lot of serious.
They're like sixty seventy people died I think in one Jesus Christ. Yeah,
I don't know if you know, but the magnitude scales log arrhythmic,
So a seven point zero is ten times worse than a six point Oh okay,
yep. Yeah. But also also to put it in perspective, I
would say, I mean I've been out here for eleven and a half years.
Uh, and I would say, like every earthquake that I've experienced out
here has been at most a four, but usually more like in the lower
threes. Wouldn't you say that's probably that's properly right. Most of the ones
you see a few of those, Yeah, but even the ones that you
feel, you'll like run to the USGS site and it'll be like, yeah,
it was a three point three. You'll feel you go, oh,
how quaint. Yeah. Yeah, it's like like they've been. There have
been earthquakes where I was sitting in like my ROI desk chair at home,
like in front of the computer, and it's like, you don't know if
it was an earthquake or if the chair just like rolled back an inch,
you know, like it's barely perceptible. Well, but this was like a
good, solid, like twenty seconds of serious shaking. Man. Yeah,
well I saw the epicenter was up north, which you know, we're most
of us from near the city. So like, I'm wondering, have you
been home yet, Jeff, I just come straight from the air flu.
I came directly from the airport to here, so I haven't been home.
All your stuff could be askew. I mean everything when I've talked to you
around there has been fine. It's far enough away from it was. It
was centered a little I guess north east of where I'm at, right,
like Napa American Kings so all yeah, American Canyon, Napa around there,
So all the pictures you see are of yes, American King America. Yeah,
it's a theme song. Yeah, that's their whole theme song. Just
when you pull in. If you sing that at any convenience storey, you
get fifteen percent off wine. I guess probably man, so much wine spilled,
oh yeah, tragic news. Yeah, those are great looking photos.
Just all the wine spilled off, the shells just shattered, just I mean,
you know, yeah, if this was it, this was forties,
you wouldn't be bummed out. It was always more like obviously, obviously hearts
go out to everybody affected by this thing, or at the same time,
like the first photos coming out of this thing, it was just the most
bougie shiite wine bottles were sacrificed. Fuck off. And then actually the cool
part of the part that made me go like yeah, like I was bummed
out that I missed it was when I saw like streets opening up and bits
of street coming together and pushing up. There's that picture going around of a
guy using pushed up street as a skateboard ms kicker, and I'm like,
well, that's fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah, there must be at least
one skateboarding game that takes place in the apocalypse, right, I mean Tony
Hawk three. The La level has rails that when you grind all the earthquake
rails, an earthquake happens, totally reshapes the level. Just just life imitates
video games. Absolutely. Yeah, you're gonna get home and like a drawer
of yours will be open an inch yeah, or I mean all the cracks
in all the walls that are already there will be an inch wider. Because
it's everything is on a obie up there, so everything naturally shifts all the
time. Yeah, so is your Faberge egg collections that secure? I mean,
I just have it all up on the highest shells I've got. That's
fair, you know. It's just I like to, you know, exalt
them to the heavens on high and all that sort of stuff. So it's
like there's there's less gravity up there, so exactly you get further away from
the earth. Every chance they'll be flying around. Right. Uh, yeah,
I'm sure everything's fine. But yeah, that's the thing is everything is
on adobe over there. So like right now, the door going from my
garage to my house doesn't shut all the way because everything shifts around seasonally and
it's like warm when you know, in the summer and the winter, the
door the wood swells up or you know, things shift just so that everything's
fucked. So everything's fucked there anyway, you know, like everyone just accepts
it. It's only when you're telling it to people that go like, what's
adobe and you have to explain, like, well, they built these houses
on this stuff that just moves. So I thought it was the little car
that's made out of clay. Yeah, yeah, that's that too. Okay,
maybe you should just go all the way, just knock all your walls
down, go open floor. Yeah, that's probably one giant room. Is
Adobe be more prone to liquid faction? Like could your house just sink into
a I don't believe, so I haven't heard of that happening. Okay,
but fuck man, who knows? Do you remember back in the Japan earthquake,
Like a lot of a lot of video came out of that one,
which was crazy because it was such a long earthquake. It was like a
minute or something or longer, like cracks fissures opened up in the ground.
And then there are there are videos of like a sidewalk just moving back and
forth next to itself, which is like, I don't know, to be
able to see with your eyes that sort of like technical plates moving around.
Yeah, and then like water or not water, uh, soil turning to
liquid like they had it was there someone was walking through a park and they
filmed the ground and it was just like bubbling like quicksand what I mean,
I mean that happens in earth quay because the vibration let's water out. Yeah.
I mean. Ryan used to tell the story of he was at Candlestick
for what was the game. There was like a famous it was like the
World Series earthquake in eight nine World Series Candles. The game was about to
start when the earthquake happened, and like he would always tell the story of,
like you could look across the stadium and see the stands like undulating,
like waving up and down, like like waves, crazy stuff. I was
watching that game on TV at the time, and it was you know,
you just hear the guy. It was quite on, but you know you
feel it before obviously it gets out on television a little bit. So like
I I have this weird I don't know why it happens, but it happened
in that earthquake, and it happened when we were in Japan when they had
it's pretty fairly sizable. I was about to tell that story. Were you
there that year also? Yeah? Yeah, And in both situations, my
instinct was to strike a surfing pose. In fact, the one in Japan
happened late at night and I jumped onto my bed and surf And you know
that's that hotels are really high. Yeah, I mean yeah, it was
like and those buildings are all built away. That was the thing that was
what blew my mind was that after the actual quake was over, the building
kept swaying back and forth. Yeah, but they're built, they're built to
be flexible. Yeah. Like there shot like pointing up into skyscrapers and they're
all moving like trees in the wind. Really freaky, super super weird.
Was the surfing pose for fun or was that like an instinctual like this is
probably safer. No, it's for fun. Okay, I think earthquakes are
totally cool. It actually it was really cool. Actually yeah, I mean
obviously super dangerous and yes, hopefully no one gets hurt. But whatever earth
shakes, man, you're powerless to stop it. This wasn't even the Saint
Andreas. No, No, that was the fault up there, and naps
different faults. So we're still due. Yeah, I know that's scary.
Saint Andreas comes all the way up here, right, I know. It
goes through La Yeah, but it yeah, I think it's doesn't it run
like most under of the state. Yeah yeah, yeah, they keep saying
we're due. Yeah, sure, I don't know. Surf it surf the
quake. I surf the quake. I don't know. Five to the quake.
If it got bad enough, I don't think we'd be making jokes anymore,
Oh sure, or we would, because that's the only if it gets
bad enough, then it's one of those things where like you know, whenever
you buy a house out here, there's always going to be some you know,
insurance hack that tries to sell you earthquake insurance, and you just you
never buy it, because if things are so bad that you need earthquake insurance
to fix your problem, everything is leveled and there's gonna be no money to
pay that insurance. Anyway. The government want to come in and FEMA will
save us. That's how that works, right, Yeah, yeah, I
mean they federally managed emergency situation. What they mandate, that's exactly what they've
done. Bang up job. During the during the eighty nine, my dad
was driving on a highway like a like a I think it was like an
overpass or something, and the whole thing lurched to one side, so he
was in there was two lanes. He is in the right lane, and
it lurched to the right, so he just went into the left lane and
then everyone in the left lane got shoved up against the side geez. And
then it lurched back and everyone in the right lane, got shoved up against
the side and he went back into the right lane. So they're all the
cars were just shoved to the side of the road and he just drove down
right down the middle. That is intense. Yeah, that's crazy. And
he said in the rearview mirror he could see like dust from buildings. The
landscape should not be shifting in all duty maps. Yeah, that defies reason
an explanation. Yes, this makes me want to get my earthquake kit.
But yes, what is your earthquake kit? Three gallons of water and a
knife, they said, They said on the news today one gallon of water
per person per day. Okay, so let's say three days minimum to be
safe. Sure, yeah, three three gallons of water and a knife so
you can get someone else's water. Good idea. Got a hand crank operated
radio, Okay, it's got a little flashlight in it. I don't know
Mr E's or canned food. What else would you put in there? I'm
done with the knife flash Its flares are flays are pretty okay, Yeah,
get some flares. I've never actually lit a flare, Jeff, Is it
fun? It's not, it's it's it's kind of cool. But then you
have a lit flare and you're like, oh, I mean, this isn't
as neat as actual fireworks. You just pretend like you're yelling at t Rex's
Yeah, pretty much. Is it better to a light a Roman candle and
hold it as it goes off? That's super funny. That is way more
on the internet shot. So you're just holding it, It's like, well
that I guess there's a kind of a fire coming out of this makes a
light other stuff on fire? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you can
throw a flare into a gas station. I don't know, what do you
want to do? I mean, the world's ending. The earthquake hit,
like you want to blow something up? Yeah, so you're excited to get
home? Uh yeah, I want to see what what the what it looks
like up there? Yeah? I would. I would definitely be feeling a
little anxious if I were away from my house that was right near an earthquake
for a weekend. Clearly, clearly you're being deeply affected by it. But
like I said, you know, I called people that live like a block
away. Yeah that's fine. Sure, so sure, well i'n't too worried
about it. We all made it. We're here. Yeah, let's talk
about stuff. Who wants to go us? This the part where I picked
somebody. Yeah, I mean you're just the host. You should probably shit
all right, I'll get the hang of this one direction and go around.
That's usually what. Well. I know you were out of town, so
I'm not gonna start with you. Dan, It's fine. I uh went
to a Mario Kart sixty four tournaments. Yes, I saw. I saw
some pictures floating around on the internet of that. Yeah, everyone's sad just
playing. Everyone had a great time, Jeff. We were at Soda Pop
Vinskis here in San Francisco. I'm precious, what a precious name. It
was nice. We played Mario Kart sixty four. Everyone had a great time.
It was one on one. It was just like everybody goofing, just
like, let's play this bad game competitively. We all had a grand old
time. I got after that, it's gonna be Amagon Races. I'd sign
up for that. Yeah. I got fourth place out of thirty two and
my prize was a cement mixer shot, which I had never had before.
Has anyone in here heard of that? Yeah, I've heard of it.
I think it's kind of a prank shot, so I'll save anyone listening.
If someone asked you to take it. They gave you two things, two
shot glasses, and they say you put them both in your mouth and you
switch it together. And I had to do this like in front of the
crowd because they called me up on the microphone like, oh, Sement mixer
shot, come up here. I was like, okay, so everyone's watching
and stuff and I'm asking what it is and they're like, I'm just taking
and switch it together in your mouth. And apparently it's that weird like Bailey's
thing that curdles or whatever. They put it with a bunch of stuff.
So I've never done that. That's why I've never done the Irish car bomb
is because the idea of curdling like a delicious words sounds disgusting. Car bombs
are actually delicious, though I've heard that, but just the idea and cheese
curds are good. I love cheese curds, that's true. But I didn't
know it was gonna happen, and it was called the Sement Mixinger. I
didn't really think about it. So I took a shot. I took the
other shot and everyone's yelling at me, like I gotta switch it around,
gotta switsh it, And so I switch it and it immediately turns into like
the most like like cement. It does feel like your mouth is filled with
cement. You gotta swallow this stuff. And everyone's laughing. It's like,
oh God, this is the worst. Uh So that was awful. Wow
you that kind of I think that's like the gag of fourth place thing sou
But no, I love bar U competition stuff like that, and I think
they're going to do more, so I'll keep doing those at home. I
worked on Diablo three a lot and Hookema. I've been working on Hooke.
Yeah. So I could tell doing the quick look with you you weren't too
into it. I I like the way it looks. I want to like
it, but I just it needs something in it for me that says,
here's what you do. I think I started finding out what there was to
it because I was kind of ready to write it off after the quick look.
It just seemed like to screen savory or whatever. But then yeah,
I had lunched with Greg Grys from Double Fying and he was just talking it
up like crazy. He said, oh my god, this is this is
the best. The puzzles are braid, like I think he said it was
his favorite game with twenty Sure, what are you saying here? Death?
No, no, go on? And so I've played it and I played
long enough to kind of get what was going on with it. It is
very directionalist, there's no handhold these stuff, but uh yeah, it's I
think it's about rescuing snakes. And so I made a dragon roller coaster and
rescued a snake, and I think the dragon was named Hector. Then I
rescued another thing. And so basically each one you didn't tell you its name
was Hector or did you name it Hector. That's a big thing where it
shows like four confusing little cut scenes and I'll say like Hector, and it's
like, oh, I guess I got Hector. But I made that by
building a roller coaster, and like, so each area you got to kind
of figure out what the main overarching goal is. And for this one,
who was making this dragon roller coaster? So I had to fly around and
this flying near stuff. Stuff happens, you fly near stuff, something happens
big, yeah, like Hector, all right? And then then I went
to Yeah, so I made the roller coaster, and then there was another
one where it was like a wedding for a bunch of weird looking things and
you had to like dip down. You had to take all these waiter goblins
or something into the water the ocean, and they would fill up little wine
glasses with the water, and then you had to give them to everyone in
the wedding party, and then they had to get married, and then you
save another snake or something. So I think I kind of figured out what's
going on with that. Yeah, yeah, So I think I'm going to
keep playing, and I I feel better about the game now than I did
when we did the click sure. Yeah, yeah, but it's like I'm
not inherently opposed to directionless games. Yeah, there's just something about that one
that that just rubbed me the wrong way because it just right off the bat,
it's just like here you go, and it's not even I don't know,
like I really liked Proteus and there's not that much to Proteus. Oh
well, you're right minute the minute, you're right. Yeah. I mean
there's you know, obviously there it's telling a thing. You know, some
stuff happens in Protect. But but definitely if you sit down with that game
for two minutes, you're going to be like, it's still I just I
walk exactly. Yeah, And and this struck me as like somehow more aimless
than that seems at first plush. And it's you know, because i'd seen
the game in preview phase, like I kind of knew some of that stuff,
like I saw the roller coaster at one point, but it was just
like I don't know, like I know that that stuff exists. I just
don't know that I'm having enough fun controlling the long mover to want to do
this. Yeah, it problem. You don't really know what the end goal
is or anything. I don't know how long it need to be rescuing these
snakes. But as a thing to pick up and think around with a little
bit, it's it's nice, it looks good, it sounds good. It
doesn't sound like you have necessarily gotten this far. But did I hear there's
actually something that you unlock later on in that game that is kind of different
than everything else you do in that game, or did I dream that up?
That sounds like I'm kind of seen yet some kind of hidden level that's
like kind of turns the whole thing on its head. Now it's all been
kind of the same, dude, squiggly stuff. Okay until your board,
all right, play well, keep plugging away. You unlock Drive Club,
Yeah, okay, drive Club ho Hokem Edition, Yeah, Hookem. There's
no no open hookem containers and in a moving vehicle astly not No, it's
I guess the law. But even in Denver. Yeah, outside of that,
I played just a ton of Diablo three, and Holy Lorid, that
game is really good. And you know, I've talked before about how I
never really had a PC that could play games growing up, so I never
played deal This is your first time with Diablo three, Yeah, Like I
always knew they were console ports of like Diablo, Like there's a PlayStation version
and stuff, but I was like, ah, I doubt this is the
right way to play this game, And so it was. Actually that was
a surprisingly good version of that game. Yeah, for much the same reason
that Diablo three works on coles, Like when they made it direct control,
it was actually neat. Are you talking about Diablo one? Yeah? On
the PlayStation, yeah, yeah, that was actually it was actually pretty good.
They never put out two did they think. I remember, I remember
that PlayStation release being kind of a big deal, like a lot of people
I knew played it. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't play it
that much. I just remember being like surprised by the controls and I'm like,
oh, this this works. Yeah. I think the thing that kind
of opened me up to Diablo on the whole is like, you know,
everyone talked about when Borderlands was crying out that it's gonna be a first person
shooter but with like Diablo type lut stuff. I don't think i'd really played
much in many games with like a lute system like that. Yeah, And
I loved that element of Borderlands, you know, like just oh my god,
look at this gun. Oh this is better, like comparing stats and
all this stuff and Diablo man, uh, way more slots to look at,
way more things to compare, putting gyms and helms and wearing all this
crap and like it's all done really well as far as like junking stuff,
like oh, I'll just go through it, like this all looks like crap.
I'll hit AR three on it a bunch and then I can sell it
all at once. The co op I've been doing the whole game with my
sister. We've been streaming on Twitch and it's just super easy as far as
you know, keeping our characters together and everything like warping to her and you
know, gifting items and things. It's just it's so so polished and so
well made that I'm just absolutely loving it. Yeah, we love are I
want to say I'm thirty okay, yeah, yeah, So I'm just got
to like act two. I think, oh wow, so we're playing on
extreme or hard or expert is expert that's the highest that you can play off
the bed. That's what I'm doing. We're an expert, and so I
guess we're leveling that faster than normal or whatever. You get a big exp
bonus and stuff. Yeah, it's it's fantastic. It's I'm absolutely loving that
game. So I'm getting legendaries in my mailbox. Yeah yeah. Is that
part of the Nemesis system. No, well, it's it's one of the
things that is new to this version of the game and that you so you
might have in your inventory just items that say a gift for like user name
for yes, and it's already pre addressed. You just hit a button to
send it. Okay, so that's what's happening. It's like stuff finding those
with your name on them and they're hitting a button and sending it to your
game. Does that mean if if you find something like that, you can't
use it yourself. You can only send can only send it. I don't
even know what it is. You're just like, it's I'm like level twelve.
I don't think I've found on of those. Like it's kind of a
weird, dumb thing because like you don't know what it is. You don't
get to like specify who you send it to. You just get an eye
him and it says like here, hit it to send it. You're like,
all right, and it's it's just a random person Internet, do busy
work for you? Well, somebody on your friends. There's someone on your
friends and I think can also be someone you've played the game with recent players
or whatever. Also, and then why think that exists? They get a
thing in their mailbox that says so and so set you an item and a
legendary item, and they're like, okay, well I've gotten like five or
six from the same person, which there might be that many like that person
might not have anyone else on their friends list was playing the game. Okay,
wow, I got a sugar Daddy then, uh, you know,
so it was I saw Greg Miller of IGN fame on Twitter. Uh he
he has his friends list full still, right, he didn't cut it down
like I did. Uh, So it sounds like he is just getting fucking
legendaries non stuff. So if those if a lot of those people on his
list don't have a lot of other friends playing Yallow on their list, they're
a man for him. What a fucking legendary racket he's set up exactly,
because I can tell you just from the like half a dozen that I've gotten,
like most of that gear was like at least twice, if not three
times better than some of the stuff I had, Like in terms of armor
values and just basic stats. I got some stuff that was really good and
some stuff that was useless. Well again, I'm earl like I'm not.
I haven't got a point where I'm getting most of the most of the my
way through the game. Like I got to level fifty one or something before
the game was out, So there was there were two other people on my
list that were playing it or three, and you were one of them.
I sent you something at one point, and yes, I got like three
things at that point. Now I'm getting more that the game now that the
game is out. And then I finally saw the Nemesis system in action also
where there was just like a monster appeared and just said Nemesis killed this player,
like all right, and then you fight it. Then you fight it
and it dies and you're like all right, it drops and okay, so
you get dropped from that. But then also the person who's had no idea
what the person might gets my understanding. I mean, I think it's maybe
only one item, but my understanding is that like the Nemesis will bounce from
player to player, right like if it kills the next person in the chain,
it'll didn't go on. It persists. It's not like it's a one
done type thing. And I think everybody who's ever fought that thing when it
finally dies and gets stuff out of it interesting, I think that's the case.
That's cool. I mean, it's a weird system. It's it's like
a weird like the stuff they did specific for this version of the game,
like that male stuff and the Nemesis stuff is just like weird social experimental type
stuff that I don't I don't mind it. I mean basically, ever since
the advent of Wow, the ovel has always felt like, you know,
it's got the it's got the like loot driven underpinnings of an MMO, but
without the empty Yeah, yes, it's empty. It's without the large scale
player interaction. So like this is kind of a way to get a little
bit of that back, I guess, Yeah, sure it isn't the Crusader
class new to this edition expansion. Oh okay, it's great. That's that's
what I'm That's what I'm playing. It's the skills they put in there.
It's like you only have so many slots or whatever, and I keep unlocking
this stuff and I'm like, ah, I love everything I'm using, but
this sounds awesome. Like I can like jump up there and branch elective mode
I did. I like that a lot. Yeah, because then you're just
like you don't have to be pulled into one per tree or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's the The cool thing about that game, like I
think top to bottom is that they just made it fun, you know that
they just you know, they made it like convenient and exciting, you know,
like every single skill you get is this flashy thing that destroys a ton
of shit. You're fucking launching out of the sky or spinning around or just
making barbarian barbarians show up and kill stuff for you, and you know,
just like tables and chairs and skeletons are just fucking blasting apart every step of
the way. But then it's like, you know, yeah, you can
warp right to people. When you join multiplayer games. It matches everybody's levels,
you know, appropriately, so everyone's having like a fine experience. Like
you could argue that, like that's actually no fun because it means the game
is super dumb uh and and that it's going to be the same experience whether
you're level one or level seventy to some extent because the way it levels,
But it's still I don't know, it's it's just it's really convenient and really
fun to play. Like I hit seventy, I got to like Paragon levels
six or something, and I'll probably keep playing it. I don't know why
at this point, but I might as well. I mean, you said
you're doing other stuff at the same time, right, yeah, yeah,
usually throw I don't know, stream on or yeah, something like that,
but it's it's harder with you know that my TV is not necessarily near another
screen in the same way like the PC version would be. So I was
thinking about going back to the PC version a little bit because the PC versions
obviously gonna get the patches first. They've been they have a public test realm
for version two point one that they've come out and said it is going to
come to consoles, and then ahead of the release, like there was some
post on like the Xbox you know blog or whatever that was like, we're
gonna patch really close to day and date. We're gonna try to get it
down as tight as possible. Microsoft's working with us, and I think Sony
then kind of said the same thing or something along those lines. But and
you know, it might not be instantaneous, but they're gonna at least get
those updates. And this next update has like seasons, like you will start
a character and play in that season, and then at the end of that
season you will start a new character, you know, so then lets them
do leaderboards and stuff like that, Like they're changing the rift system to add
these greater rifts and a bunch of additional crazy shit basically, like I went
and read through the list today, it sounds like they're just adding ton of
really fucking crazy shit. And the stuff they added in Reprit of Souls was
already nuts, like the adventure mode and and and the riff stuff that they
added at that point. So like that's that all sounds pretty cool. It's
nice dary jewels. Gems, Yeah, gems that do stuff like when you
socket it, it does two thousand percent poison damage to something, you know,
so weird. It was just one of the example gems they showed.
Uh so, yeah, just fucking crazy shit. The colon the video games.
That's nice to see this level of post release support. Yeah, yeah,
and that's especially that's you know, there's probably still we probably still have
not yet seen the last Diablo two patch, right, I hope, baby,
it's going to be some exploit that turns up then I got we fixed
it. Sure. Yeah. They are pretty legendary for that stuff. Yeah.
I just I wonder if anymore like paid content is on the way,
like another expansion, Yeah, because you know, people hit the level cap
and then they start going through Paragon levels and I'm sure you know people max
that stuff out at this point. But right at a certain point, there's
still only five acts worth of stuff to fight your way through. I think
that that's probably why they're creating the season stuff is because it gives you a
fresh character without your paragon levels to create that level playing field for a set
period of time. Yeah, just for people that want to compete. I
just want to see you, like, you know, some new monsters.
Yeah, sure, the area that they're different, they're actually they're adding a
new tile set with this patch, something that was that they had created.
Shit, they had created it for Act five, but it didn't make it
in. So it's now just one of the random rifts. Okay that shows
up is the cesspools. So it's a new area. Well I'm not good
on them. Yeah, that's nuts. So yeah, that's that's all pretty
cool. I don't know, you know a lot of people fucking talked a
lot of shit about that game when it initially came out. I thought it
was pretty good at the time. I had a latch fun with it.
Yeah, and you know, just like the stuff they've done since, like
it's just they just they're making like a playground, you know, they're just
making like a fucking Skeleton Crushing Playground. I mean, I was watching new
play it the other day with some people, which is pretty rare for you.
But yeah, I don't know what it is about the console version of
that game that makes me feel okay, just randomly jumping into fools games.
These people are okay probably, or it's just like or it's just like I
don't know something about your experience. It's just so much more casual to me.
It's like these people don't really care about Diablow otherwise, They've be playing
it on a PC. So I'll jump in for twenty minutes and they and
they can't type to you exactly like it talk to you very well exactly,
so you like I could just go do my thing and and you know,
we're just like grinding out bounties and it's actually fun. But I was watching
you play it though, and and first of all, the little colored rings
they put under each character's feet like it's an arcade game, it's really weird.
But then I was watching you play it with those people, and it
made me realize, like, is this the modern gauntlet that everybody has been
waiting for? It? Like, it also makes your PS four light shining
that color too, Yeah, whatever, that color that's cool. But yeah,
like it it just suddenly struck me as this like kind of old school
overhead four player. Yeah, I mean, you know, run around and
kill stuff type a kind of always was that, yeah, but but it
I feel like more so now because you can kind of ignore a lot of
the loot and stat based stuff. It's true, like they they've simplified those
systems to a point where you know, I mean, you can't hear it,
but yeah, yeah, so so do you remember if those up and
down arrows were in the PC version initially with threeper Okay, I think because
you know, you used to have to eyeball your stats really compare things that
they added after the fact. Like I almost feel like I'm cheating myself or
missing something because I'll just still go look at the real stats. Well I
have been, but because it's because there's so many things that don't necessarily get
represented there, Like you know, this does additional damage to this one,
you know, crusader specific ability or this one. Like I'm a sucker for
increased movement and attack speed because it's one of the things where it's like,
you know, like I just want to get the shipped done faster so I
can do more of it. So like, if you tell me that these
boots have twelve percent movement speed and they're not the armor is not quite as
good, I'll still take them. Yeah, you know it could because I'm
still early on, so I'm just finding stuff. It is definitively way better
than what I've got. But it feels weird in a game like that to
not even look at numbers. You know, it's just like, well that
one has two up green arrows, but this one has three, so we
equip and just move on. You know. Yeah, yeah, I guess
you'd call it streamline. It's weird. I feel like gems don't matter as
much as they used to. Like I know, I spent at one point
I was in the auction house buying red gems. Yes, I did a
lot of that and and and stuff like that just to socket into weapons,
but that was back when they were waste in Gier with the loot drops.
Generally, it's like you just weren't finding as much amazing gear, so you
kind of needed like anything you could find, like a gem to increase,
like your v lout you had that was good, like anything you could make
it better. Yeah, and now I've got a ton of gold and I've
got you know, like Jeweler level level twelve, so I can make whatever
these super high tier gems are. But they're not that useful, like that
much strength, like a hundred strength of the grand scheme of things just doesn't
seem to matter as much as it used to. I don't know. Yeah,
maybe just it's because I'm finding so much better loot that isn't socketed,
that it that it just goes that way. But yeah, that's a it's
a fantastic fucking game. Yeah, the way people I know who've been talking
about it, like I wouldn't be surprised to see this version showing up on
like people's into the year lists, and people seem to really be into it.
Yeah, in this in this predestiny era, right, Yeah, I
get they're loot fixed. That's like the secret that that'll that's the test tried
is if when something new comes out that is also a shooter, ye,
does the Diablo scene dry up or not? How many loot games can you
handle it one time? Yeah, there's some story out there that I saw.
I was like someone from Bungee saying like they don't understand people that are
like worried about that game not having a lot of content because like I don't
understand because like we've been working on it for a really long time and it's
got a ton of stuff in there. I don't know what, Like it's
the big stame we ever made. I don't know. And like I think
about that and I don't. I kind of want to take it two ways.
It's like, you know, and you take it a face value and
go, well, okay, great, you know, there'll be a ton
of content there. But then I like actually start to think about it and
go like, heyle, it's not that big, right. And also the
nature like if you if you put out alot grindy game that was slightly bigger
than Halo three, that'd be real. That's kind of scary. That's sort
of a scary idea, you know, especially because the nature of the gameplay
in Destiny is maybe not you could argue, is not as interesting as it
was in Halo, where you've got a story driving you and like really robust
kind of enemy AI and combat encounters, you know, and in this you
are collecting drops, like you know, you're getting five circuit boards or you
know, you're going through the same area as over and over doing kind of
mundane repeatable tasks. Yeah. Yeah, and if all if if there are
only a small handful of areas to do that stuff in, that's kind of
scary. But that's ways off. Yeah, not Actually, it's not that
far off. Two weeks. Yeah, that's two weeks. I think it's
two weeks. The SIMS comes out and then Destiny comes out the following week.
Matt Madden's out, right, Madden is out. Madden came out first,
right, Madden is out? Is Madden is still officially the Harbinger.
Yeah, but the fourth quarter, by the way, there are video games
again, Madden brings it back. So we're in that now. Is that
today? That's that's today? And I think I thought because quickly when I
went up last week. Yeah, but it went up like Thursday, so
I think it was like the Thursday before the Tuesday's right, so say Madden
Tuesday. I don't know, Mortal, Mortal, Madden remember like Tuesday.
Yeah, I feel like yeah, used to put like you know, because
it was it was like Ozzy Osbourne on the roof of the RADI City Music
Hall or whatever the hell I mean back in like in the back in the
game spot hey day, Like we used to cover like midnight Madden launches,
right. I would go to those and there'd be people in the parking lot
throwing footballs around and stuff like I went to like every Madden Midnight release from
like I don't know, probably two thousand and one to two thousand and seven.
I feel it was like, is that kind of when it started dropping
off, like maybe hype around the seven that sounds about right to me.
Yeah, I don't know, Like and maybe we're just so detached from it
because we don't run that kind of live show operation and because who does uh
and and that just doesn't exist or it still exists and we're not seeing it.
But I also get the impression that maybe it just does exist because it
was expensive to put on and who really cares, right well, you know,
and I took the I took the giant production of that, like Galla
three minute commercial they put out a couple of weeks ago, as like like
trying to breee some life back, you know, trying to make it into
an event again, where it's like it has just turned into like a fairly
big expected release every year as opposed to this giant Yeah, unless they can
figure out a way to get in front of people that wouldn't necessarily be the
people that'd be following it, then they could probably predict their launch week sales
year to year, writing you know, X thousands of units or whatever,
because it's just like you're the number of people that are obsessed with Madden and
needs no every year. And it's a high number, but it's still a
flat number. Could be higher. I don't know. Do they still have
the truck stick always? I don't know. The truck stick is is like
then now forever? As far as I'm concerned, it's that anything like the
hit stick? It is? Yeah, sure, except you truck. Does
it still have run stuff in gang tackles? Yes? All right, good,
Yes, that's I don't play games that don't have those. Diablo's a
truck stick just right to stick your way through tables. That better to truck
than hit. Sure, probably is. I mean, do you want to
keep on trucking or keep on hitting? What does the bumper stick? Or
say, Brad before you hit you have to truck? They say, yeah,
exactly on my bicep you got a truck before you can hit. Yeah.
I think that's how they do it in Duel. Have you not seen
dual? Duel? Has anyone seen Dual? What was great? I don't
know what that is? It was it was. Yeah, it's a movie.
It's Steven Spielberg movie before Jaws. I think it's his first feature film.
Yeah, yea truck. Yeah yeah, it's like a horror movie about
a truck. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah's being stalked
by a truck. Is it like a sentient truck. I think there's supposed
to be a guy in it, but I like to think it's just the
truck. Yeah, it's really angry truck. It's like maximum Maximum pretty much
maxim move over drive. Based on that Stephen King story about I think it
is about autonomous trucks. I think it is probably. Yeah. The story
is called Trucks, is it. Yep, that's a good name. The
next No, it's just trucks. Trucks stick. That was written in the
seventies before you were allowed to replace c K s with X. Yeah.
This is when people were earnest about things and actually liked stuff legitimately, like
CB radios o bud Wiser, Dan, Yeah, anything else that was most
of my weekend? Does that? Does that the extent of your gaming diet
that that took up most of my time this weekend? Right? Very good,
Drew? Hi, Hello, I got an Xbox Wait what? Yeh?
Holy shit? Your bud with all the kids? Yeah, you play
as a lizard guy man. The the the emails that continued to come in
about your choice of Xbox, those people are going to be really sad Jade
Empire all night long. Yeah, I got the L four hundred black really
yeah? Wow? No to connect. No Connect prompted you to with the
even with the forthcoming deals, I mean prompted you just go for it.
Because on the twenty the twenty fourth is my budgeting day. Okay, So
I got my new budget for the month and then I blew a lot of
it on an Xbox. Okay, all right, because I didn't want to
get to the end of it or halfway through it and go like, oh
I don't have enough money to get it. I have I don't know is
this is this is this is specifically like Destiny Prepp Yes, okay, yeah,
okay, Also that if you're telling me I needed a new console in
time for Destiny. This makes a whole lot more sense. Oh, yes,
okay, yes, I thought that was a give no, no,
no, no, I thought I thought it was. I thought Halo was
the objective. I mean, that's why I picked the Xbox over at PS
four, because I knew I would eventually want to play Halo. I mean,
I can always get another console. I guess if I get that's you
know, that's that's the that's the way to be as far as I think
the rest of us are concerned. Yeah, well just get them, just
have them get him at some point. Yeah. I get everything on launch
day every time, even well launch titles that I want. Yeah, I
mean, I mean, yeah, like it just makes work easier. The
lugger console. Yes, that week before the Xbox One came out. That
was horrible to carry those things around for us carrying before they're out. That
thing barely fit in my tinbuck two. The holy shit, Christ, I
think is you know? Carrying it out the bus was a little bit of
pain in the ass. My car almost flipped. Also, I had a
bunch of Amazon credit, so I was able to apply that, which is
great. Yeah, and when I ordered it, it said pay six bucks
more and get it today. What it arrived seven hours after I bought it?
Wow for six dollars. The Internet is magic. That's we live in
the future now you live in San Francisco. That's also feel I feel I
feel a little bit tingly right now. Yeah, that's like that's some Cosmo
dot Com. Wow. Yeah, Snickers just throw throw candy bar in there
with no no, no, actually make them deliver the candy bar step yeah.
Total. Yeah. Did you have you have you got? Did you
pick up any games for it? Smart? Well? You have gold still
from your other h your account, right, yeah, if you're still gold,
there's some games with gold thing. There's probably some stuff that's free to
down. You can get Crimson Dragon okay, yeah, hello Spartan Assault.
I want to saying the hottest of download games. I look through their games
list in the store, m and uh. I think the only things I
would consider buying would be Team Raider because I never played it. It's great,
Wolf and Stein pretty good, and the Golf Club. What about Titan
Fall? I played on three sixty Yeah, do you like it? Yeah?
If you've that was one of those games where I bought. I bought
Shooter season passes last year like a motherfucker, like I bought the Titan Fall
season pass, I bought the Call of Duty Goes season pass, and for
some in some like fit of like weird fever status, I bought the Battlefield
for premium. Uh, because there was like a hot two week period there
where I was playing a lot of Battlefield that seemed like good idea, and
now here we are they're releasing content. It's like, oh, we announced
the next set of maps for any one of these games, doesn't matter which
one, And I was like, I fucking who cares? You're not keeping
up on the Alien modes and Call of Duty Ghosts absolutely not. I don
a looaded the first two. But there's one of those things where, like,
you know, months later, I realized, like, oh, right,
I paid for those fucking maps. What a dumb ass. Well I
should go down a little them all and look at him and then play him
and go like I don't like any of these Well didn't they ghosted all the
stuff with like Michael Myers and like Killer Clowns Matter Space or something like that.
Yeah, there was like a weird map that they did that I think
has the Michael Myers thing. Yeah, and it just I think that I
think that totally. For a second when you said Michael Myers, I was
thinking Michael Moore. I could not figure out how that all the factor into
that game. Every scan you get for places with Michael Moore. Yeah,
he's got some things to say about the militarization of video games about it true
hellscape God, Yeah, let's giving the Michael Moore announcer pack where he's just
fucking whining the whole time. I knows. Yeah, well, every time
you shoot one of these other players, someone loses their job. Look at
my hat. It's this catchphrase. Yeah yeah, look at my famous cash
phrase, look at my hat. Look at my hat. For change,
I didn't I didn't stick it in the news items because it's A it's rumored
and B it's not a huge deal. But in addition to the games with
Gold, like the free games, it seems like there's some suggestion out there
that they're going to start doing like sort of trial periods for people who have
gold. Really on the Xbox that's cool, Like A I don't know if
it came off the preview dashboard or where, but there's a screenshot floating around
out there of some wording on the store where it basically implies that, like,
if you're gold, it's like you can play this game for twenty four
hours for free before you have to buy it. Wow. So yeah,
some kind of interesting ways to access program similar some extent. Anyone take the
plunge on that. Huh No, No, you would have conceivably gotten to
play Madden five days early. Yeah what that thirty percent off of already already
have peckled to you? Okay, all right, yeah, I guess you're
done then, So yeah, I'm good. Yeah. I just think it's
like, you know, it's like even like I just like I already have
those games. I'm already done playing all these games that you're giving people access
to, Like that's not that's not a valuable service. Not yet. Do
you plug your TV into it? Are you messing with all that stuff?
I haven't yet. I just I just well, you know, I guess
without to connect that stuff, SPOT like automatically becomes slightly less interesting. Yeah.
I think the only reason I would want to do it is to like
not have to switch like press the input button on my remote, right,
but then I would have to grab my controller and then click that, and
but without without being able to use the voice to one of them. They
are adding a boot to TV option two a DASH at some point. So
I mean, I like it as just a turn everything on system to where
even if I'm playing PS four, I will just turn on the Xbox because
that turns on my surrounding receiver and my TV. So I mean I use
it for that. Yeah, my dad really likes that feature. He's got
an Xbox one and like just not having to fiddle with the like five remotes
that's sitting next to his recliner or whatever. It doesn't turn my stuff on
properly. Really, I have a weird situation where if the I know,
I'm pretty sure I've described it before, but if if the TV is turned
on after the a V receiver, there's no audio, so I have to
power cycle the receiver to get audio. And so they need if they had
a delay setting, like okay, delayed you know, the activation of the
receiver by two hundred milliseconds or you know whatever, or two seconds or whatever
you want to do, right, that would actually solve the problem. But
it basically means it's actually useless. And I ranted into too many situations.
I so I have it. I have it turn on all this stuff anyway,
because it's still you know, faster or whatever. But it's almost always
set to PS four, so I still have to go change the input on
it over to that at and then I stopped it from turning everything off when
I turned stuff off. That can be a pain. Yeah, well,
especially if like you, if you're turning it off to play something else on
a different system. It's just like, oh, well now I have to
turn all the ship back on. That was dumb. Yeah, well,
welcome to the next generation. Yeah, it's nice here, I guess,
is it. Yeah, it's fine. That's getting better. It's getting better.
I like those controllers. The controllers are good. The games look better.
There's more, there's more stuff coming out. There's a bunch of you
know, it's about to be a bunch of new stuff. In terms of
actual video games. I played more Fates Forever. That's not all you played.
No, definitely, not all you played. Not even in the context
of games like Fates Forever. Is that all you played? Set my Steam
message or my my friends thing to away so you wouldn't see it. Oh,
you can't escape the ever watchful Eye. As soon as I I played
a little Dota, I wasn't even the one notice it's as soon as I
logged in. It was. He was the one that tipped me off.
He just said, what are you doing? You're sitting around getting ready for
our recreational match. Yeah, and then he saw that, and then I
spectated your bod game, did you. Yes, I'll tell you what what
I'm here to help you, creep. I'm trying to prove out whatever.
There wouldn't be a big fat watch game option when you click somebody's name if
they didn't want you to watch their games. I assume you can turn that
off, right, is because you're my friend? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
yeah, it's only because you're on my friend's list. I think I
think you The only thing you could probably do is sign out of friends,
and then they wouldn't be able to see that you were online playing, right,
And I don't think there's a way to block people from watching your live
games. I mean, that's that's kind of integral. The way they've set
the entire spectating system up in that game is that any game that's running at
any time, you can jump into and watch live in the client. All
right, so what do you think? Well, I'll tell you that you
should spin. You should definitely not be buying a courtier, okay, and
you want your and you definitely well, so he's an ask why Okay,
just hit the button to open the guide about what order you should buy,
should and do it. Don't ask any fucking questions, okay. Spend spens
a core and usually unless they're plants, supports Finn, which is not something
you care about. I picked him because his name is Finn. He's I
mean, he's a good starter guy. He's he's pretty straightforward. But as
a as a core and hard carey, he needs a lot of gold.
Uh so yeah, stuff's expensive. Yeah, and you you want to put
all the gold you're getting toward things that specifically make him more of a bruiser.
I kept losing it because, as so you like, the courier is
something that's that somebody who doesn't need as much gold buys because they can get
by without. Does that make sense? Sure? Yeah, we'll talk later,
Drew. I have an important question for you. Yeah, based on
your early time with both of these games, Yeah, what game is better?
Doda two or Metal Gear Solid? Oh wow, those those things are
so direct. That's that's why I want to hear is answer pretty much identical?
Yeah, same thing? What is the better video game? They're both
disappointing. For Christ's sake, watching Drew pay metal Gear is my favorite thing
right now? Yeah, all twenty minutes of metal Gear. Oh you guys
actually watching the cut scenes metal Gear. I know what I don't know in
Doda, I don't know what I don't know. It's get kind of deep.
See how exciting is that to not know how much there is left to
learn? You play? Oh, I don't know anything. Yeah, I
don't even know what I know. Yeah. When I do know stuff,
I don't know what that is. Also, how his faith's forever going?
You're sticking with it? Yeah, I like I like that a lot.
Wiki page is quite lacking. However, I may have to change something about
that. Uh yeah, earning your earning my oar playing a new character?
Uh lee chi he throws seeds. Yeah, it's kind of a heat.
Yeah, heither guy, No slow loris for you? Oh I did play
her? Oh yeah, yeah, I play she inexplicably unlocked. I don't
know how I don't she wasn't one of the free versions or free characters.
Well, I mean they probably rotate which ones are free, right, league
does it? I thought they only did it like three at a time,
and she was the fourth. So anyway, she's she's not She doesn't move
slowly, she moves the speed is the other the same as the other characters.
It seems like fairly fun. That game is good. Yeah, that's
I still need to try it. Yeah, it's not as daunting as Doda.
It's all pretty straightforward. Yeah, well those games need that. Like,
as much as I like Doda, I don't understand how anybody gets into
it. Yeah. Do you think Here Is the Storm will solve that problem
or potentially be much accessible Because it is, that's absolutely one hundred percent more
accessible. But it's such a different game that like, I don't, I
kind of don't see it's scratching the same itch, you know, Like people
who like Doda because it's Doda don't like that game for the same reasons.
Yeah. Yeah, it's plus that game is changing so much a month to
month, like they are. They're putting in and then ripping out entire subsystems
in that game. When people don't like, like you like this. Nope.
Yeah, yes, they put in the thing. They put in a
thing very similar to League about a month a month and a half ago,
and the response was so angry that it came back out like a week or
two later to But but I mean, that is absolutely a game you can
get into in a couple of games and know what you're doing, as opposed
to Doda, which is dense and obscure, as fucking you will never truly
know, super hostile for a whole lot of reasons. Yeah, so I'm
sure you can't wait to play more. I mean I don't know. Yeah,
I feel like Face Forever is a good gateway drug. I mean that
might be all you need, you know, Yeah, plenty of people get
by on. I would say, if you've got an if you've got an
iPad and Doda is freaking you out a little bit, just try Face Forever.
Yeah, you get into the league. She will have been saying,
Fates Forever is actually more like leagues. Yeah, I mean it definitely looked
like it from the little bit that I saw, like art style with nothing
else. It's definitely styled after it. You should get deep into league and
then you guys should just have debates on this podcast all right, every week
for the rest of forever, we'll talk. We'll talk wrestling over you guys,
you have your own podcast for that. Keep that ship out of here.
They just should just past. Yes, I don't know what I thought.
That's daily. I thought about it. Well, they're I mean,
they're already competing Dota poditis, say, like all the podcasts, the ready
Doda talent is already yeah, shacked up. There are other there are other
brads out there podcasting about Doda. But you know, if funnily they lived
up to their name and did it on a daily basis, like it might
actually serve some purpose for somebody. That's right, a daily basis. Absolutely,
Yeah, Like, I don't know how you call your thing. You
know, let's not get into it. Yeah, let's just let that one
go. There are no Dota podcasts. Don't even go look for them.
You're right until I say there, art's right. You put your official stamp
of quality on a dot to podcast. They should be jockeying and it'll come
out on its your endorsement. Yeah, do to tomorrow a Giant Bomb production
coming soon tomorrow. Last week, we're just talking about the current Doda whatever.
We're talking about the future of doat ye lasers. The meta changes when
we say it does. That's right. Uh oh. Somebody wrote in,
by the way I sect the patches we write them, Yeah right, I'm
ice frog, which I'm ice frog exclusively reveal that here we are all ice
frog. We are all ice Frog. Somebody wrote in about what you said
last week about that game not having voice chat. It does have. Yes,
there is a way to plug in a little headset and like any headset,
mike, you know, it's like a phone. Yeah. Yeah,
In fact, I guess the earbuds that come with it probably have the right
I don't know that the ones that come with the iPad have the mic on
it a phone, but yes, but yeah, like any any buds that
have like a phone mic in them should should work for voice chat on there.
I guess I've never played an iOS game that had boys. Yeah.
I can't think of any where it would really matter. Yeah, yeah,
but uh yeah. I also been playing a lot of Medal Gear. Yep.
Yeah, you're liking it so far. It's taken me a while to
grapple with the controls. Yeah, the controls are like su Super not modern
you know, like they they kind of good or bad like whatever do you
want to call them? Like they are just very unlike what games are like
today to put control, that's that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, like
there's like don't they It doesn't like Game of the Weird stuff about like you
or was that too, where you like hold down square to ready your gun
and then let off square to shoot it. Yeah, because the PlayStation two,
well, no, d you haven't seen in Meddle Year two. They
use the pressure sensitive dual Schock two. So you'd like be aiming in first
person or wherever, and you'd be holding in square and if you want to
not shoot like with you and Meddle Year one, you have to hit the
on equip button. Are one you could just slowly let off off of the
square button and two and three. I loved that. I thought that was
great. It was really cool. It was really cool. Yeah, I
can't tell if you bring Star it was it was like you know, just
it was like the one thing that used those buttons you like two that yea,
yeah, like nobody ever used it again. I think like Grand Trismo
three used it or something. But you know, gas and break and stuff,
but yeah, four even it doesn't have any else, it doesn't.
They moved away from that because who cares. Yeah, I guess so they
offered it developers for a generation and sure we can name two games. Yeah,
that's true. So it's been fun watching and Drew play because we forget
that in the midst of this like dire situation where this like Nuke is gonna
go up in eighteen hours or something, Snake is constantly pausing just to hit
on every female codec contact. Yeah, you know, me Lang and Nastasha,
Meryl, just constantly. That's what I remember about I remember anything dire
about it totally, like oh what yeah, like, what was the point
of metal Gear? Well, he's got to fight a metal Gear, right,
We're getting spoil only thing for Drew here. So yeah, Drew,
where do you see the story going? I mean, I feel like I'm
gonna kill all the Foxhound guys, or at least defeat them. You've defeated
revolver oslat Yes, and you've encountered Volcan Raven. Oh, I see,
I've encountered him. Well, I mean he clearly didn't die at the end
of that cut scene, right, but you neither. But I defeated them
in those encounters. You defeated Oslat and Raven. Yeah. I mean it's
a bunch of anime bullshit. There's no such much like dying even when people
died yea. But at the time I didn't realize that. Yeah. See,
I've never seen Animal. I felt like the wool had been pulled over
my eyes until I got to the end of two. Oh, don't say
Mental Years like anime because I hate anime, so or I assume I don't.
No, no, no, that's what damn you like an anime.
No, it's like cool action movie stuff. It's like, that's what it's
moe as fun. Just because they didn't animate it with cells doesn't mean it's
not anime. No, it's a cool action movie thing. The game I
just saw Predator and die Hard and The Rock and like and then then no,
and then filtered it through like nine levels of bullshit. Awesome bullshit.
Come up with a good game around it. Nano machines great, It's like
Star Wars machines are cooler. Mediclorians Yeah, yeah, the same thing magic.
Yeah, but I'm enjoying it. It is. It's fun. I
at times I may sound exasperated today. Today's recording was an excellent gosh,
but it is at my own ineptitude. It's a lot of like the little
control things like well, to choke a guy out, you gotta run up
and then stop and then James on square to snapp his neck. But if
you're moving, you're just gonna flip over and he's gonna wake up immediately and
right away. So but yeah, I think you're starting to get that.
He just got the cardboard box. Yeah, very exciting. Yeah, spoilers
for the episode original Metal Gear. If that's my cardboard box game of choice,
tip down. No, the first Metal Gear and this excelle No,
I mean that. Then he asked game. I mean yeah, at the
time, I loved it. Really it was. Yeah, No, I
loved that goddamn game. It was rarely the gameplay in that series that like,
I think the game plays really good, but it was the story and
the characters that grabbed me. And Metal Gear to me is just like,
well, it's really tough gameplay, and nick remote control missile and just use
the deep head, remember guide it through. Remember that magazine ad for that
game that was just every weapon in the entire game laid out on a white
page. There were like thirty or forty weapons. Yeah, that was cool.
I never played Snakes Revenge. That's not a real Metal year, I
know. But like even as a fan of that game, of the first
game, when they said here's the sequel to it, even not knowing the
real backstory, I was like, no, nope, I mean it isn't
that a side scroll like a quasi side SCORERS two, which is also a
noncanon sequel, because I could have sworn they changed the perspective some. There's
some differences. But I also love how this, you know, Big Triple
A game in nineteen ninety eight for PlayStation, like just assumes you've played these
obscure MSX games or it's like bringing up like it's talking about Big Bosses remains
like other figures from the past. They ease you into that really, although
like I feel like they set it all up so you can kind of well,
no, because you just look at it and go like they're just like
shitting anime bullshit in my direction at a rate that like it doesn't matter,
none of this matters. But I mean they build up enough of a mystique
around the name Big Boss that you can understand the remains matter. You don't
need to know that backstory. Here's a test. It's so rapid fire.
Here's a test. Drew is three hours in the Metal Gear Solid. What
do you know about Big Boss there remains? I mean that's all I know.
There you go. I mean he's the legendary soldier, right, sure.
I think they've I think they've identified him as such. I don't remember
status of any characters in that. Man, the fucking the intro to Metal
Your Solid one is so amazing. Oh my god, like one of the
best starts to a game ever. Swimming Yeah, the one man swimming STV.
Yeah. Yeah, he's telling me about all these cool guys like oh,
Vulcan, Raven, Giant, and Shaman. Yeah, it's great.
Psychomantis. I feel like I haven't played I haven't played the game since it
came out Weapons and Equipment of Wes. Yeah being I played the Japanese version
when that came out, and then played it again in English. Yeah.
Let me tell you there's one part in that game that if you don't know,
if you were not getting any of the dialogue out of it, Oh,
is it a boss Boy? Oh? I know that part was also
tricky, as oh, wait, I know what you're talking about. Give
me a hand here, I'm the CD case. Yeah okay, yeah,
it's like, well, you're supposed to do exactly? Did you just go
through every one of the two hundred frequencies? No, you know enough people
imported games back then. You know, a fact was being generated as people
were playing through it, and you know, someone who spoke the language is
like, oh, by the way, it's still silly and funny to hear
like Campbell be like you should really call Meryll check the back of the CD
case like that. It's still funny. Yeah, we're telling me you to
like press the action button to climb ladders. Yeah, yeah that Yeah,
they're like fourth wall. Yeah, in retrospect, like as many times as
they break the fourth wall in that game, I don't know how I ever
thought I was supposed to take series remotely seriously. Yeah, and then when
you get to the end and when the end and cut scene like this's just
like the stuff that when it just becomes like, oh you fucking suck and
stuff. Yeah, it is just like this is crap. It is,
without question, the greatest story in the history video games, Like the series
as a whole. I'd say, for sure the lore of Metal Year.
Trump's any game series or single game ever released the greatest story. I don't
know, the most story, Yeah, I would agree with it. It
is the most players, and it like it is the craziest. It is
among the craziest stories. I think, pretty for me and I can tell
it. This is not the extentiment. Oh, no, one is like
one of the most grounded ones. Yeah. Oh, once you get to
the last couple of hours or two, Holy shit, she was amazing too,
was the best game in the series. See, I think I was
telling you today. I think there's an argument that can be made for every
one of the four, Like I could, I could, I could put
together an argument for one being the best, two being the best, three,
and four, Like they're all so goddamn good in their own ways and
very distinct ways. Like two, I think the story is incredib Like even
that last couple of hours bullshit stuff. Correct, you understand what's going on
there. It's like, oh, this is awesome. It's super confusing and
awesome. It's the best lore of any serious It's a great it's a great
mind fuck that like Redeems the first game, redeems the franchise for me in
a lot of ways, it's like, okay, all right, okay,
no, you're you're willingness to just say fuck you, fuck this. This
is gonna be confusing. It's for a long time. You know it's bullshit
too, but I wanted it to not be bullshit. And then they torpedoed
it. No, it all makes sense again. I continued to appreciate it.
You just wanted your you're no longer military store. It would never was
that. I know it never was. That's what I'm saying. I don't
know how Richards go get an nes because Operation Intrude and three one three is
all that. Well, there's no fucking bullshit in that game. I mean
I wanted a little bit of bullshit, all right. I think it was
just a bullshit sleep and you punched until he disappears. There's your bullshit.
Bullshit ratio was just off. I think I will say there's more bullshit than
four. The most was a lot of fucking ridiculous bull Four was when I
was able to start wrapping back around and appreciating it for the bullshit. Four
is it the point where you're just like it's the self indulgence of just like
watch this man smoke for an hour? Like sure, like, okay,
great, this is the greatest video game fucking ever produced. Sure Like the
level of detail, like put into the most meaningless of garbage. Or does
that super confusing opening where you're just watching TV channels and flipping through them?
Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, that stuff's all great. Weird as hell.
When I when I was in Japan talking, I'm like, that cost them
so much money to do, and our video guy had been handsome, was
like, so why did you do this? And they're just like, oh,
we just wanted people to turn on the game and be like, what
the fuck is this? What's going on here? They spent so much money
making that weird sequence. Yeah. I don't want to say too much about
it, you know, I hope to get to four Withdrew. Three kind
of started getting back to what I liked about that series, which was the
systems in three. No, man, I don't mean I don't know,
I just mean purely, like in terms of fiction and stuff like, yeah,
I guess I understand why I understand why people do not like to play
three. The fiction in three, though, great, well, but it
was the it was it's it's the way that they take like the characters and
settings of the previous games that take place in an entirely different time and attempt
to map them directly. That is the problem. Characters that all are identical,
Like, you know, at some point they should just like end those
games with all of the character models walking out onto a stage in bowing.
I'm saying, thank you for watching our story. Next time we're going to
space. Yeah, you know, like it's it's if they just did that
and said, you know, Audicon is playing the role of right and just
got shit out of the way and still trying to convince you tore like,
no, these are different people. Fuck that. That's that's that's the that's
the Star Wars prequel effect of like totally like you're actually making your whole universe
smaller by saying that everybody actually knew everybody else. Yea for the for the
entire ship is dumb, like the year from a lower perspective, that ship
made me crazy. That part three, like the food and heal everybody gets
shot, you have to like go in like but it was stuff, just
suck the stuff. And three that I liked was the like Cold War intrigue,
the political maneuvering between I love superpowers of Cold War intrigue. Again,
just feel like they didn't have it the right way. They didn't have it
the way I wanted. I don't know. I mean I felt like the
MGS one was coming off the tail end of that stuff, where right,
you still had Russian gun ships and former KGB agents and stuff like that.
Yeah, I wanted more of that, more of the era that's more of
the Cold War era or just before that that I want, not necessarily the
kind of more Vietnam focus star like, I want a little more modern than
that. Well, yeah, there's a lot more Drew you have barely scratched.
I'm just kind of bummed that you reminded me that the Salid Snake is
kind of a skiezy litch in that game. I mean, it's kind of
charming, it's kind of yeah, it's it's bondish, but there's nothing smooth
about him. Yeah. Maybe when I get back, I'll let you do
a strip strech on me. Yeah. Yeah. Thinking back on like some
of the stuff he says to mailing and stuff, I'm like, it is
no he's just like, oh, I didn't expect the world class designer military
technology to be so cute stuff like that. It's not too bad, real
slick. It's not like, hey, I'm gonna leave alask and then come
bang. Yeah, trying to like that's just implied, hey subtle. Huh.
Well, I also almost played Star Citizen. I feel like that's all
of us every day. Yeah. No, whether we know it or not,
we all almost play Star At an hour, I'm like, all right'm
gonna sit down and just try to get in here and loan systems a little
bit. Uh, and then I spend an hour like editing XML files to
try to get my joysticks to work. There you go, that's the game.
Because you don't have key binding in this verse. That's the next stretch
goal. Yeah, the ability to to have buttons massive. Given them twenty
grand, you would be able to just pick your buttons in the software itself.
So almost I can't wait to see what the thing ends up being.
Yeah, I can't wait win or lose. It's still interesting. Yeah,
you know, if it's a colossal failure, that's that's still like I mean
that is I think that's grammatically more interesting. To see if it's a successful,
awesome game that fucking revitalizes that that type of space sim Yeah, I
mean not even not even revitalizes. I mean what they're promising is like way
beyond the scope of any space m that's ever been made. Yeah. Yeah,
if they pull that off to this insane extreme, If they pull it
off, it sounds fucking incredible. But if they don't pull it off,
the fireworks will be equally incredible. Like someone should write a book about Yeah.
Yeah, what was that Battle Cruiser three thousand? Yeah, yeah,
Derek Smart, Yeah, it was the thing with that, with that one,
don't say his name two more times. He'll post a comment on the
podcast that that was similarly dramatically large. Yeah, I think i'd ever paid
a who lot of attention to it. I mean I think wasn't that the
pitch though? It was like, oh, you can command the starship but
also like fly down to a planet and do stuff. It was supposed to
be that, but then the team on it was too small. I don't
know what I mean. Also, though it out, but not in think
you should play that game, you know that if you want to undertake this
endeavor. I don't think anyone else are gonna stop you. I played that
game one point. I remember much about it. I remember finding it incredibly
confusing. I heard that, all right, so you're gonna table Star Citizen
for a little bit longer. I mean, yeah, it's complex. I'd
like to get a handle on it before I showed off. All right,
Well, it's great to get our weekly Drew update. Jeff. Hello,
Hi, Hi, what happened while you were going? Uh? Tell us
of your trip, tell us of your life. I was out and about
for the weekend, is out of town, and then I flew back this
morning. I had to wake up super early to try to get the airport,
try to get back here in time to do this podcast, and the
fight got to lay a bunch. So I just sat in the airport playing
w W E Supercard. What's your best card? Uh, it's a Kofi
Kingston super Rare that I've leveled up pretty high my hole. Except for the
Diva slot. My other cards are all super rares. Now, who's the
Diva you get? I've got an aj Lee rare. Oh it was fully
level, which wins most Diva matches. For some reason, Ava Marie is
higher, is like a better card than AJ, which I think is a
huge mistake. That game continues to be baffling. Putting more money into it,
I did. I bought another set of cards to get a you know,
I like, I got a super rare j Usso and Cody Rhodes and
no, no, that's justis with a face mask on. Oh wows yeah,
you know pictures, hold pictures and then well I'll load it up and
I'll tell you what the other card is. Oh, it's our truth.
I got ar truth. Okay, I think I'm gonna start playing that game.
I see people tweeting about it and stuff, and like, I know,
it doesn't seem like there's much of the game there, but you know,
and like I had hours to kill at the airport and I was frustrated
and didn't have the mental focus to actually play a real video game, and
w WB Supercard fits the needs there perfectly. Like I don't have them.
I just don't have it to play something legit. I'm stuck somewhere for a
length of time. I can tap on these fucking wrestler faces for hours if
I have to. But that thing is a horrible battery drain for something that's
just a shitty card game. Wow. By nine am, my battery was
dead playing on the phone or the tablet. On the phone, I don't
know. Can I play against you if I downloaded? Or is it all
right? No, there's no, there's no multiplayer. You play against other
people's real decks, but not against them, so and the AI is shit.
So it's so it's like a ghost racer type thing where it's like you're
not playing against someone, but here's their things, here's their cards, and
here's how they've leveled them and that sort of stuff, but you're not really
playing against them, which seems like I don't it's it's kind of bad.
I have a piece of advice for you. Don't play that game. I
mean, I kind of need that dumb thing on my phone to just tap
every once in a while. A lot of like, if you just need
a dumb thing to fucking do on a phone, you could do a lot
worse than like sitting there hoping that you eventually get the super rare Vince mcman
card because it has a really high charisma. Of course, a fucking course
it does vets. Yeah, wow, it sounds better than swing copters.
I've been playing that it's better than swing Copters. I got to eight.
I got to eight and swing copters I'm at seven, So are you really
coming for you? The leaderboards don't work. I keep trying to look,
and I had of you on Game Center and just says I'm the only person
in the world playing this game. Well, it tracks your score separately between
devices, No, even on iPad and iPhone. I can't see it because
I just got the seven this morning. I don't know. Yeah, the
leaderboards might just be busting. They patched the game, which might have cleared
the leaderboards. I don't know, maybe patched it, saying there was a
difficulty tuning. I don't know what change. The only difference I saw is
that the distance between the ground where you start and the first set of hammers
no is a lot longer. Now did they speed up like start up the
copter I have. I can't tell any other difference. I don't know.
It still feels like it controls the same bad game. It's a bad game,
yeah, Supercar Okay, I don't know about that. It's it's a
better game. I don't know if I agree with that, that's agree and
disagree. I tap on Cody Rhodes and then his little card dances to life
and then performs a wrestling move on another little card, and then the card
who loses explodes. All right, I'm more interested now, and then your
batteries dead. You go, Well, these cards cards did dance around a
lot. That sounds incredible. What else have you? Did you have time
to play anything else? No? No, you know, I like I
left for the airport immediately following the show on Friday, and then got back
here on a delayed flight and drove right to the office. So sure,
so I've been away from from steps, you know, before you left.
Oh you know what, Actually I did play a little bit of Infamous First
Light. That's what I was going to bring up. I watched you play
a hair of that. All a bit of a blur at this, but
yes, I did play some of that. Uh yeah, I don't know.
I I liked Fetch in the main game. Yeah, I thought from
what I saw, I don't know if it felt like they compartmentalized the character's
lot in that game. It's like whatever set of powers you have, the
corresponding character was prominent at that time, right, and then they disappear.
I never finished the game, So I don't know if she came back into
it, but not so much from what I saw of her. Right,
if this is set years before, it's her inside the prison, kind of
detailing her story to the you know, the lady bad guy, the head
of the dup, whatever her name is. Does it touch on didn't she
have some magic boyfriend. That's something terrible happened and now she said? Or
remember there the whole thing. It's it's her brother, brother, Oh brother,
Okay, So the game pretty much opens with you know what is I
probably presumed the death of her brother, and it kind of goes from there.
So, you know, you get your Neon powers pretty quickly. It's
got a like a reduced subset of the upgrade system from the main game.
It has some side activities, but some of them were just like race around
the city to collect these Neon elements, and I was just like, I
don't want to no, no, no no. That game was so bad
at giving you for an open world game, It was so bad at giving
you interesting things to travel around and do it. It was like Neon running
up buildings and flying around and dashing, but like graffiti was dumb. So
this has graffiti in it. It's a little bit different. But shake the
controller and you don't shake it. Oh wow, Okay, that's the difference.
I kind of like that it made a little sound, I know.
Yeah. And then it's kind of intercut with these arena like a battle mode
thing where you can just go do arena fights, which that's not Yeah,
that that seemed like it's like you do one as like remember, you can
come back here anytime, and we got leader boards and and you can you
know, earn upgrade points here by completing these challenges and throughom like no thank
you. That is not like I really liked Infamous Second Son, uh,
despite you know, some of the side elements not being fantastic, like there
was just enough to the game and and you know, like I liked taking
over the the like you know, go beating up the trucks and taking over
parts of the city and stuff like that. And this still has the percentages
and little stuff like that. But the side elements are you know, granted
it's like from the first hour, so yeah, but but I get the
impression that it has laid out the side content and it will just be duplicated
across the districts like it was previously. Sure, uh and and I think
that stuff seems kind of weak as it was in the original game. I
think it seems weaker. I think I think it's it's like it doesn't represent
a a learning on the part of the developers of it meaning more exciting side
content. It's like the graffiti is kind of not as good as it was
because there's there's no h it doesn't seem like there's any kind of good evil
system in there. So it's not like you're getting like, here's the evil
graffiti, here's the good graffiti. It's just like here's the graffiti on it.
Yeah, well, you know you've got a character that has to end
up in a certain place. Yeah, it's that's true. That's definitely true.
Neon powers at least, or is it the same stuff. It's seems
like it's the same stuff. You know, you get an air dash,
you get a you know, the type of movement powers you would expect,
you get the hover. You has to start with it, and you know,
it's like rapid fire Neon bolts. And the thing they do is the
they randomize the weak points on enemies, so you every time you go into
zoom mode. I can't remember if if second son does this with the neon
power or not, but you know it'll be their head, or it'll be
one of their legs or one of their arms. Yeah, it didn't random
random. Ye, it's random in this so you know it kind of just
forces you to aim differently on every single target if that's your thing, or
you can just run up and punch them. Uh, yeah, I don't
know, it's I I yeah, So, like I was set to really
enjoy this because I thought their logo was awesome, which goes a long way.
I thought Fetch was a good character. I'm a sucker for like drug
addict stories and video games for whatever reason, because they just they don't do
it a lot. And I liked the previous game a lot, but I
just I don't know this one. The first impression was was largely negative,
just like looking at the structure of it and looking at the like, oh,
there's like a lot of battle arenas, and some of them you get
access to if you have a save for Infamous Too. It's the one that's
like seems like it has Delson and it maybe, but you know, it's
barely been six months since that game. Came out, so I would I
wouldn't say I expected a lot of substantive changes to the and then like the
week before the frame came out, they laid off large chunks of it.
Was also that, but but you know, like I can just kind of
assume that this would basically be more of the same, with more of a
focus on the neon powers. I wish it was that. I mean,
it feels like it's not enough, Like it doesn't feel as good as the
content in the full game. That's a shame so far. Anyway, this
is the second time they've done this. This is a standalone thing. It's
not an add on that zombie thing. For I really liked that thing.
I mean, it was pretty it was interesting. They gave like they came
over for one thing. They came up with like a whole new set of
powers for the character, like you could straight up fly right and just the
like faux New Orleans setting was really cool. Yeah, it was. I
mean it played into the HALLOWEENI and like vampire kind of motif really well.
I will record a quick look of it at some point so I will play
more of it. I'm kind of I am I am a little curious to
kind of see if there's any more to it, but it seems like it
kind of laid itself out up front. The story sets itself up. You're
introducing new characters, and then go, you can kill me in that game.
I'm like thirty percent of the Russian mobsters. They scanned my face and
everything. So whenever you're going to kill those dudes, like, it's usually
me, and I wonder, like in this in this add on, specifically,
in a second sent, I wrote the cover story for Yeah, no,
I know I've seen I saw your pedestrian face in the main game.
I just wonder because like the main enemy is basically like the Russian mobs.
Oh really, than, I bet I'm all over that then maybe Yeah,
people send me screen caps and stuff of my face on posters is like political
can it's I'm all over that game, weird. I hope they're all right.
You know now that they're part of Sony, Yeah, you know,
big staff reduction after project ships, part of a giant corporate machine. Now
hopefully they'll staff back up and do something cool. Yeah, hopefully that does
something cool. Yes, yeah, I guess we will see. So that's
it. Yeah, Yeah, That's that's pretty much it, all right.
I haven't really been been touching too much else all right lately, cool weirdly
just want to keep playing Diablo. Yeah, I can identify with that.
Yeah, I'm gonna do some more of that. I don't think we all
are. Are you gonna get it on the Xbox Drew, I don't know,
yeah, I don't know. Think about the digital stuff, is it?
It's all full price? Yes, so much better just to digital all
the time, and the way to go we have you know, that might
come back up in emails. Let's sit on that topic. I haven't really
played anything that I wasn't already plane yeah, or hasn't already been discussed.
We had our our second set of recreational matches this weekend and went considerably better
than the first. Good. Still in the loser's bracket. Yeah, Although,
like it's weird to see discussion on forums and stuff about this tournament,
like people only looking at results as like some kind of indicator of like how
good the teams are or whatever do you expect? I guess it's all about
who wins and loses, right, competition, right, But like you didn't
have any kind of pre filtering mechanism, Like teams just got matched up with
each other. So the team we lost to upfront is looking like the probably
the favorite to win the whole thing, you know. So you know,
obviously different teams have different strength to them, and that's self to shake out
over time. But I'm feeling okay as we continue our novisque rise through the
lower bracket. Yeah, see how it goes. I guess that's it.
I'll just keep playing swing copters. Jesus. We'll talk about video game news,
although this is kind of tangentially related to video games. Remember when Twitch
was gonna get bought. Yeah, the Google rolled out on which Twitch dot
Television was up for sale. Yeah to Google. Uh huh, Twitch dot
tv you got bought. Yeah, no, that's happened months ago. Google
picked him up, not by Google. Amazon bought Twitch tv. Yep.
I know. This is the first anyvode stream from my fire phone. Uh.
You know. There's not a whole lot of information from either party at
the moment. It's like a quote, there's quotes from the tops of both
companies. Rather, it's like, we're proud to twitches Inshane value were like
Twitch, we obsess over customers and like to think differently, and we look
forward to learning from the obsess over customers as to Twitch to deliver an Xbox
in seven hours. No, no, no, not Amazon, Amazon.
I have zero problem with visas. Yes, but he's talking about Twitch.
Yeah, ok, yes, how Twitch obsesses over customers, I don't know,
but just watch playroom streams all the time. But he thinks they do
enough that they were willing to pay nine hundred and seventy million dollars. Yeah,
okay for this operation. Yeah. It's you know, it's hard to
say what's going to happen from here. It's interesting that they well, I
guess this is kind of a larger Twitch issue, but like he focuses in
that those talking points about how Twitch is a video game streaming service. Yeah,
and it builds itself as that, but like it's a it's a video
streaming service. No, so they that is from a policy perspective, they
shut down streams that are not games. Really, yeah, that is part
of the switch to Twitch, the dropping of Justin TV as a part of
that. They if you are not playing games, they don't want you.
Really, when did that happen? That was a while? It goes last
year. Sometimes, Oh I completely missed that. I think even before that
they frowned on it. Yeah, yeah, always. But like you know,
the stuff we do, you know, like you know, half of
some of our Lives shows are shots of us on a couch. But there's
enough video game stuff in there. Yeah, I don't know. I mean
that, I think you know that stuff is fine. Yeah, you know
they play fast and loose with it as required. But yeah, if it's
if you're just like not playing games and just doing stuff, I think they
will eventually shut you off. Wow, I guess YouTube is a live stream
thing now it is. Yeah, that's kind of failed and really do much.
But I mean, you know what you looking at this deal like you
have to wonder what the long game is for this, you know, like
it hand Microsoft buying Skype, I think so or eBay. I feel like
not Microsoft. When eBay bought Skype, that made no sense, right that
happened. Yeah, now this this makes way more sense than that because you
know, Amazon already has a massive interest in video on demand and that kind
of thing. Yeah, you know, I've got a huge infrastructure for video
programming of different types, you know, like who knows, like specifically what
the strategic value of this thing is, but you would assume they have some
kind of plan to tie this into their existing entertainment offerings Twitch. Maybe I
don't know. I don't know, I don't know what that ends up being.
You know, I don't think there's there's like natural stuff you could do,
like, you know, just from just a nuts and bolts level that's
like small potatoes or whatever, but you know, just stuff like oh,
when you are streaming a game on Twitch, the link to buy that game
on Amazon is right there. Yeah, you know, like like that sort
of just like baseline integration stuff that you almost want to not do because it
is so obvious, but you know, like like bigger picture like yeah,
I don't think they fit together really well. Yeah, which is maybe why
you buy them, because it's something that Amazon doesn't do any of, right,
Like you can't live stream through Amazon, but with this, they get,
you know, a platform that already does that. Granted it's focused on
video games, but Amazon has been at least pretending to be interested in video
games for a bit here. Sure. I mean, obviously we don't have
insight into their financials, but like I never thought that Twitch itself was like
profitable enough as a venture to be attractive for that reason, right, Yeah,
well it's got to be more of a strategic type thing. Yeah.
I mean they're a bulk. You know, they're they're they're a bulk.
I mean the thing, you know, you have tons of people running streams,
but you know if like two people are watching it and it's like a
guy in his underwear playing a video game, like, you know, what
do you what ads do you sell on that? But they were okay,
yams. Yeah, I mean I guess Amazon carries everything, so at some
point, why not sitting on Yeah? Yeah, but you know then they
also carry these huge streams where that's probably where they make it up, is
you know, these are these huge, highly lucrative or more lucrative like esports
broadcasts and that sort of stuff. I don't know, sure, yeah,
I don't know. Twitch is a weird thing. It always was. It's
just one of those things where it's like you're just selling pre roll ads and
mid roll ads on live stream videos because no one watches the archives buy and
large. That's why they felt justified and shutting it down or or you know,
stripping it way way down. So it's compared to what it was because
it's just not what they're good at and not not what they're focused on.
Maybe Amazon gives them that because Amazon delivers video. Maybe Amazon doesn't one hundred
percent know yet, you know, yeah, maybe at some point it's just
like maybe just the balance sheet looks good and you're like, we have the
money to do this. I'm sure it makes sense on some level. Google
wants it, so it's probably worth getting, right, you know, I
don't know, Yeah, you know that kind of thing. I mean,
obviously, live streaming video, live delivery of video content on the Internet is
something people want. Yeah, even if nobody knows exactly what the endgame is
for you yet, right right, You just wonder like how custom does the
solution need to be to live stream video on the internet. You know,
we did it for years and years before there was Twitch, and you know
there's no shortage of ways to live stream stuff on the Internet. Now it
gets easier all the time. It's just a matter of like can you scale
it? Can you can you make it a business? Or is it just
like a weird custom solution. You're like, go to Akamne and do that
deal or whatever. If nothing else I thought I was. I was kind
of pleased by the news purely for the fact that every major video service on
the Internet is not ending up in the hands of the same company. Sure.
Yeah, Like if you know Google, Google has to buy hit Box
now, yeah, maybe I've stream dot Com I don't. Probably good spread
stuff around them still out there. Streams probably the biggest, and they've got
a bigger overseas presence, I think than Twitch probably, that's my understanding.
So yeah, who knows where the stuff will go, you know. Yeah,
time will tell. I can't imagine there will be any radical shifts in
the short term. Yeah, but it's one of the things where it's like
now that Twitch definitely like is guaranteed to have money. Uh you know that
you could see a scenario where the companies that want to get theirs might come
out of the woodwork now yeah and be like, hey, it's you're streaming
our content, don't And then maybe at that point they say, also,
we're selling your your content right alongside this stream of it. It's an ad
for your content. Fuck you. Amazon is actually big enough to make that
argument and have it sticks. Sure, it could actually be good for streamers
in the long run, if they if they fight that fight, we'll just
see and we'll see how much they mess with the formula that they've got.
Now, I don't know, I like amahol, I do. I mean
it it's as a as a retail vendor, they're incredible, Like I mean,
I'm sure drooping a test of that pretty good in order to and receive
the video game console in the same day. Obviously not everybody has that luxury
at the moment, but you know, that's an extreme example. But I
don't know if a robot and the flying robot, yeah, okay, something
to aspire to. But I mean I saw some people grassing on Twitter about
like what Amazon has done with Comicology after they bought them out and made some
kind of crappy changes there. I remember thinking, like Amazon bought woot dot
com way back when, did they? Yeah? No, shore, yeah,
a long time ago. I did not know that, and went on
and on like seemingly unchanged for a long time except for like, you know,
an Amazon copyright at the bottom, and I was like, wow,
yeah, they're like totally a good natured company that's gonna let cool things they
acquire continue to do the same thing. It's not the same, but no,
no, that's so that's where the story is going. I don't know
if you saw the guy or the people who founded woot have gotten out of
there and founded a new site that is effectively woot really and the first like
complete with the like really well written, pithy product descriptions every day, and
the first one was I forget what the product was. I think it was
like a refurbished rumba or something, of course, but it was really of
course it was, but it was this really fucking pointed criticism of I mean,
like without naming names of Amazon coming in and taking them over and fucking
up what they did. Uh, Like it was super obvious what they were.
My problem with wood it seems like there's a wood off every fucking goddamn
week. Are they still doing that? Though? Yeah, I stopped keeping
up. I still get wood emails. I don't know why. Today it's
a TV, but I feel like, you know, like once a week,
once every two weeks, the woodoff siren is in my inbox and I'm
just like, this isn't you can't. No, Yeah, it's gotta be
special, It's gotta be special. The fuck is wood oh Man gets out.
It's yeah, it was probably too young. It's a fun batch of
internet. Basically, like they just they would offer a product for twenty four
hours. They only offered one product, and it was usually like refurbished or
something they would typically get a good deal on almost always or if always a
limited quantity. So yeah, so but it would be like you know,
hey, we got hard drives today, and then you you know, you'd
go back in midnight and be like we got fans. Yeah, but if
the prices were amazing. So it wasn't all tech stuff mostly tech stuff.
They were techie fans. I got I got it. I bought a fan.
I bought one of those fucking fan the motionless weird Styson fans. It
was a fan recently, if it was if it was a fan, it's
guaranteed that it would be like a USB powered fan or you know, yeah,
dispense the smell of and then truly yeah yeah right, and then randomly
they would be all of a sudden they be like it's a wood off.
And basically they would have things that they had like super limited quantities of and
then they normally if they ran out an item, you just can't be able.
You went to the site and it was useless. You'd come back the
next day just look at the item you wish you could during a wood off,
they're like, all right, that item's done. Here's the next fucking
thing. Fuck you. And it was just like we just plow through stuff
and then you would eventually get the bag of crap where they just like you
pay a fee for the bag of cracks. Dollar, don't know what it
is. Dollar. Yeah, And I've never fucking gone everyone because the site
always crashed every time the bag of crap came up, because it's just variably
like one person who got the back of crap, would you know find that
it was like it's a fucking television that was and all this other cool that
was. That was the legendary. That was the legendary story was yeah,
because you didn't know that something was the bag of crap would be something amazing,
but it's only one of them. It's like, let's make a deal,
like a dollar you might get like, I don't know, it's an
USB stick. Most people said it's like, yeah, it was a bag
of like I got a bag of pencil erasers or something like that. But
then one person who paid the one dollar got like a seventy inch TV.
Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, but I've never managed to success successfully buy
a bag. Had a bag of crap in my cart once, but it
always died when the bag of crap came up. But they still do this.
I don't know if they do the bag anymore. I haven't seen that.
They haven't seen the bag in a long time. But I mean the
site still exists. They've built a bunch of other like subsites around it.
Yeah, there's like there's like T shirt there's a T shirt site like a
site basically, and there's like a one that does wine, yeah, like
daily wine, like wine wine, bottle of wine. Nope, I need
to find out. I can't remember the name of their new site. It's
a similar nonsense word. Okay, that's exciting. And it looks it looks
like Woot with a different color like original Woot, just really bare stripped down
web design, just a picture of a product, a price, and like
a paragraph of text. I'll buy that. Yeah, I need. I
need to start keeping keeping an eye on that site. I've bought. I've
gotten some amazing deals on some really good stuff from woot. I also bought
a whole lot of garbage. Yeah, I bought a ton of fucking trash.
I bought a what it's I bought the rumba that's for wet for solids
a. The rumbas that washed floors is a vacuum. That's a vacuum.
What's the other one? Scuba? Yeah, I bought a scuba and then
never did anything with it. It showed up and I'm like, okay,
well now I can do this, but there's too much stuff in this room
for even a robot to handle it. So I'm not even gonna build it.
I don't know. Remember that thing I bought that was a little plug
in for the Xbox three sixty controller. It was battery operated. It plugged
into the chat headset. Oh yeah, the voice changer thing jack. Yeah,
so it would let you like modulate your voice with these stupid like robot
voices and stuff. Yeah, but it also let you It also lets you
record a short sample and at the touch of a button, it would play
that sample through the mic input. So it was the most fun thing in
the world. So I went. It was a night It was a nightmare.
I went and held it up to a speaker and recorded the solo,
like ten seconds of the solo from Crazy Train into it, and like I
was playing man playing like Hall of Duty, and like whenever I would get
a kill, I would just hit the button and like play that. It's
amazing. It's like twenty bucks. That was something that I had never seen
anywhere, but on woot. Oh what a dumb sight. That was fun.
That was That was It was always a fun day around the office when
wood offf happened. Yeah, work stopped. Yeah. Yes, it was
very difficult to get things done because everybody was She always knew who was cool
by who was talking about the wood off on Facebook or somewhere head boom,
Yeah, we'll talk about wood off now sometimes. Oh yeah, I'll find
that site. We should should check that out, man anyway twitch huh Yeah,
I don't know. Maybe it seems like something that could be Okay,
we will see. I feel like the Google stuff, like you know,
what Google would do to that site seems like an inevitable like worsening of that
product. I think. So even if it, you know, got them
to a point where like oh well archives are automatically tied to YouTube and blah,
blah blah. Like just the nature of how they handle video and the
modestation thereof just seems like it would it would not be good. Yeah,
that's possible the long term. The like a few hours before they confirmed the
sale, the Wall Street Journal had reported this and they mentioned the Google stuff,
like apparently Google had you know, a big surprise they're all in the
Bay area. Yeah, Google had talks Twitch about acquiring them. That I
guess that, you know they I think cooled was the word they used on
the talks yea early on. So who knows what that means for them?
You know, I wonder if that means they like redouble their efforts on the
YouTube live offering, or or maybe it's just I mean, maybe it's just
not a business that's actually worth getting into. And the way that twitches sure,
you know, like what are you getting a piece of at that point?
Like you go compete with them on video game stuff? Are you just
gonna build a general purpose live streamer which they have? Yeah, yeah,
that's fair, all right. Who is our resident Nintendo fan? I asked,
I ask this knowing the answer to this question. That's me. I'm
glad you're here because we need somebody in this office that like Smash Brothers.
Yeah, it's great, great game. All right, I'm glad he's here.
Sure now, now we don't have to act like we want to play
Smash Brothers anymore. I will be bad at some Smash Brothers. Yeah,
yeah, I mean I don't hate it. You know, I really enjoyed
the first If you need me for a quick look, I'll gladly sit down
and play some Smash Brothers. I just can't get excited about it, that's
all. I can't play it. Yeah, it's just pure silly fun.
What do you mean you can't play it. I'm just bad, bad at
it. Yeah, it's okay, you could be bad at Yeah, I'm
great at it. I'm not very good at it. It's just fun.
Well, Dan, have you seen this giant Smash Brothers leak that seems to
have occurred? I did, and I'm pretty happy about one part in particular.
All right, duck Dog. Yeah, okay, you know, what
do you say? Knuckles? Oh? I don't care, right knuckles it,
I don't know. I just end up duck hun Dogs great, that
awesome. I also like the duck Hunting Dog, although Dog from Duck h
I hadn't heard that. That's great, although you gotta think about like what
his attacks are going to be, Like, I assume one of them is
going to be just the ans zapper dog with a gun. Just yeah,
that's an item pick up is Yeah, do any of the characters have just
like guns by default? Star Fox you can kind of shoot lightning or whatever.
This Fox and Falco just have straight up space I guess yeah, I
guess fucking Mario just shoots fireballs. Huh yeah. Yeah, the Lenk's got
a bone arrow. I mean they have projectiles for sure. Oh wait,
no, the zapper is is the zapper in there or is it the is
it's more of a space gun thing. They've got the superscope super Yeah,
that's the thing. I don't think they have the zappers. Yeah yeah,
Well the zapper is only good if this sound it makes when it shoots.
Is that? Fuck a the really fucking weird metal noise spring of the actual
spring on the actual trigger getting pulled. Also, the assets imply that the
ducks will also be involved, Like did he just throw duck corpses character?
It'd be great. The character is the dog, but it looks like ducks
will kind of swoop in and help with attacks. What if he threw clay
pigeons? Oh my god, it's not there, you go. Yeah,
they never co mingled in the Nis game. But now finally, maybe it
was him throwing him from off screen. A dog can't fucking work one of
those fucking things, that dog. You know, the time's got to be
the laugh. I wonder if they will work the laugh into an attack somehow.
I'm just I'm a little disappointed that the dog appears to be like fully
modeled in three D and not just I would prefer it was just like the
sprite from the original or something. That's what I liked about Gaming one.
There are very few frames too. I mean, you know, you would
animate it like you would have to animate it in three D somehow, But
like stylistically, I sort of wish it was that. Well, that's what
they do with mister Gamin watched. I mean, they just he's a flat
dude that just like throws bacon atgec. Yeah, they kind of already made
that joke, I guess, right. Yeah, Yeah, that's fair.
Other new characters in this, I mean, you know, and again this
is all alleged. This has not been confirmed. It looks pretty any idea
where this stuff leaked out of. It was just like a website up on
for Chaine. They think it was from someone with the Nintendo because it's got
this thing in the corner that indicates it was for the ESRB, like that
build was for the SRB to raid or whatever. So it's probably from somewhere
within Nintendo. So who knows. H Well, it's still rumored though,
Yeah, true, true or not. Other characters in this league are Shulk
from Zeno Blade whatever. Any fans of shoulders, Yeah, there we go.
Let me hear it, Shure, I fucking love Smash. You can
tell him serious because I call it Smash Bowser Junior or anybody. Yeah,
he's great. Why guys, he's He paints a scary mouth on his handkerchief
to make him look scared. What if? What if I told you he
was complete with clown car even better? Because the clown car is great.
It's been a great thing ever since Mario World. It's it's an awesome that
is They are talking about the flying thing, right, Yeah, the one
with the clown face, the propeller on the bottom. What are they?
Why does everybody keep calling it a car. What else are you gonna call
it? I don't know. The cracks, it's not really the cloud craft.
Maybe that would work. Yeah, he'll have moves of this magic paint
copter. I mean it's not purely a helicopter, propeller and a propeller.
Yeah, hopefully he'll have his paintbrush from his debut in the stunning Mario Sunshine.
What he debuted in then he was he painted Steven caused trouble around Delphino
Island iled Delphino. Maybe that's why I don't like Bowser Jr. Oh he's
great, and it's better than taking up seven fucking slots with couplings like Mario
Kart, which is great. I mean that game's amazing, but like,
yeah, get some variety there. Yeah, stuff, stuff appears to keep
to be continuing to leak out. On this stuff, I'm having a hard
time even keeping up with everything in your characters. No, that was it
for for well. I mean there are returning characters that are also rumored,
like rob Robots, but I mean they've been in previous games, you know,
it's just like they haven't been revealed or confirmed yet for this one.
But still no Walloway probably a safe bet that they'll be back. Yeah,
he's not. He doesn't really exist. He still doesn't have his own game,
and he still has not been been in any game that does not have
like a large roster, like like you pick characters from. No, it's
always Mario Tennis or party or golf for soccer. It's never like he doesn't
just show up as a Carre's never like a mid boss in No, No,
No, So we don't actually know what he's like. He's not even
like three D where we know what he's like. Tell you what, Watch
the amazing like ten minute opening to Mario Power Tennis on the GameCube and you'll
know exactly what will Luigi and Warrio were all about. While Luigi paints eyeballs
over poster Luigi and then mocks him by calling a mister eyeballs. Take that,
mister eyeballs. It's great, it's great, sounds great to me.
That intros. Seriously, everyone YouTube of the Mario Power Tennis GameCube intro.
It's the best. For as much as I love Warrio, I hate while
Luigi an equal and opposite amount, because Warrio is perfect. What's cool?
He's cool? Cool? Are they are they like matter and anti matter.
They're the same damn thing because Lank you're and cool. It was more like
one of them was a shitty carbon copy of a concept that came up with
On They came up with Warrio. It broke the mold man. There was
nothing left to Doluigi has an upside down el on his hat. If Luigi
and Wall Luigi collide to they annihilate each other. No, they team up
and the Wah Brothers will take over mar Luigi have no guess it makes sense.
Sounds like Wall Luigi is as fucking sad and needless as Luigi is.
So I've never seen with a frown. He's always having a good time.
He's not sad. Luigi's someone invited him somewhere because he so he knows he's
useless. Luigi's the sad sack. Thank god. The roster of this game
is so big that they need more people like me and Luigi is Colleen into
a two that was that Transylvanian A fucking vampires. I played that game,
all right, Look I didn't I didn't want to say it, but I
am working with Brownie Brown and we are working on a willowi of Vampire count
will Luigi. It's coming to unannounced platforms. I look forward to it.
I like I said, I can't even get all these leaks straight because they're
coming Fast and Furious. But I saw wait, Fast and Furious, it's
gonna be a smash brothers. Yep, you got me. This is where
I would make a joke about a character name from Fast and Furious if I've
ever seen any of those movies. The Rock. Yeah, the Rock,
that's the important No, but the character names the Rocky. I think he's
just the Rock. He's just he's just the Rock. Is that's the only
character you need? Okay, he's in there, great, Yeah, man,
he's even when the matters, he just eats snacks and just throws snacks
of people. There's some stuff floating around today implying there's gonna be some kind
of spectator mode. Yeah, that makes sense, But I don't think there's
a lot of details or clarity about that as yet. I mean, some
of the features that they've been talking about have been just things that try to
make it more appropriate for a competitive environment. I mean, if they're they
go further done that road, then that's sensible. Obviously people really care about
playing this game. Seriously. I mean, they're out of their minds.
They're like, you know, like whatever GameCube controller chapters and all some stuff,
like you know, they're going for it. I guess good on them
for that. Like they're they're making a game for that fan base. They
are embracing the competitive nature of this game instead of just like Nintendo normally just
seems like so oblivious to shit like that, ye that you just go like
why, Yeah, I actually like this. This all is a little out
of character for them. Let me throw this out there. About three or
four years ago, I've mentioned this before. I set the Guinness World Record
for the longest fighting game marathon by playing Smash Brothers Brawl on the Wii for
fighting game. Yeah, I feel like, like, you know, like
longest party game or something. They count of this fighting Okay, it has
since been taken from me. I do not hold that Guinness World Record anymore.
So I get my Mario marathon one. Uh, probably be a pretty
hard sell to get you guys to play the sixty two hours or whatever required
of Smash Brothers on we you when it comes out to set another Guinness World
record. No, I'm not gonna do that, not even a little bit.
Don't you like to start hallucinating at that point? It's bad, It's
it's real bad. If you want to do a two hour live stream where
we play Smash Brothers, I did fifty hour live stream of playing Mario games.
That's the one I still have is fifty straight hours of play Mario games
at thirty ideas. But there are rules to these types of marathons, right,
Like you have to sleep X number of times. Oh no, no,
no, there's no rules about sleeping at all. I mean it's but
it's like you can take a break. There are breaks built in, yeah,
to pee and stuff. But it's a pain in the ass because like
for every consecutive hour you play, if you play a sixty minute chunk,
you can take a ten minute break. And so you have to have two
witnesses at all times watching you do this. Plus we had a Guinness a
juncticator I think it's what they call him, fly out to monitor this.
So for fifty hours, yeah, yeah, sure, you have to have
friends or whoever willing to sit in in person and take notes on like when
you're sixty minutes is up and count your break minutes and stuff. So it's
it's kind of easy to convince, you know, three crazy friends like hey,
let's get these Guinness World records and live stream and it will be great.
But then you have to convince people to like sit down for like eight
hour chunks in the middle of the night to like take notes, and then
they don't get the glory or anything of against world record. That's the hardest
part of doing one of these marathons. Playing Mario games for fifty hours that
was fun as hell. So yeah, it's hard to put those together for
sure, but I would totally do it again. Well, we look forward
to it. Just me by myself and let us know exactly and just lay
it out on that couch with a blanket over you. Just let us know
when you got a date line up and we'll we'll stay home that week.
Yeah, you guys can come in, no jump in, and I'll be
the only one getting the record. It sounds like you got it covered.
Yeah, yeah, that's in fact. You know, the sooner you can
get this going, the better I consider doing it. Let's start next week.
I'm not committing to anything, man, some stuff got hacked over the
weekend. Yeah, do you hear about this? Yeah, a little bit.
I don't know that anybody really knows what the impetus was for this or
how it came about, but yeah, battle that got taken down. League
of Legends was taken down. PlayStation network was down all day Sunday. It
seemed like Steam, like the story and catagram I'm looking at doesn't mention it,
but I word around the word on the Doda Street was the Steam had
also been affected by this a dock Doda Street. Ye. And then I
don't know about Xbox Live. I didn't think Xbox Live. I saw someone
claiming that there was an Xbox Live out it that people were taking basically just
a massive DDoS. I frosted. I think the thing with this stuff is
is like, once you build your bott net, might as well use it.
I guess you know, at some point you're like, well we got
that, somebody got bored. What else are we gonna do? Yeah?
All these Russian computers? Yeah, yeah, like if you're gonna have a
fun bought net weekend of dropping sites like I feel like that's that's typically how
some of that well not all the time, but that's that's how that stuff
often goes as people just go like on Twitter, like, what do you
want us to drop next? Yeah, all right, we'll okay, we'll
do it if there's no charity streams running that weekend, and yeah, turn
your attention to the usual suspects. Sure, yeah, it's unfortunate, but
I mean my understanding is there's not a whole lot that they can do about
it, right, you know, the Internet is built on stuff that wasn't
necessarily designed to take that type of overflow of traffic. And mind, sure,
you know it's it's it's not. The point is, though, it's
not a security issue. It's not like right, no, it's not like
the twenty eleven is getting spit out there. It's not even twenty ten PSN
outage whatever year that was. I don't know. It's not that though.
I don't think it was a vulnerability thing, although you could make the argument
that you know, being down all day, that's what's happened. Ye that
any any outage, like any anyone, if if a user, if if
if people out there are able to cause an outage, that's a vulnerability.
Maybe not a security sense, but you know that the network is not resistant
to that type of attack. But at a certain point, I guess the
length of the outage or the kind of sure immediacy of your response is what
is what matters at that point. So having the entire network down the entire
day kind of unfortunate. Yeah, although they did. They had scheduled maintenance
that they have now pushed back, which I think was supposed to take place
this week. Yeah, Monday, supposed to be Monday. I hope they
get passed that. I hope they get passed the need to take their giant
video game network down. It's kind of ridiculous. What do they do Steam
maintenance That's a weekly, isn't it. Uh No, I think it's more
sporadic than that. Yeah, okay, to be fair, they do it
too, but like I don't remember Xbox Live ever having yeah, like scheduled,
like especially during the daytime when the most people are gonna be using it.
You know, yep, do your maintenance overnight if you have to.
But you know, yeah, what I know. I'm no network engineer,
No you are not. But let's hope this stuff doesn't happen again. Os
guys like to sleep too anytime soon? Yeah, I know, it doesn't
mean they should get to uh, well, one thing on the PlayStation network
that's going down and never coming back, PlayStation Home. No, I'll give
I'll give you a minute. What about the T shirts I bought? What
about my room with the couch? I have a couch. I think it
will persist in North America for the time being. Oh thank god? Ok?
Yeah, all right, Wait a minute. What about my Japanese account
that's where I do all my best homing. I've got bad news for you.
You've got found seven months. I'll give you another minute. I never
thought this day would come. March twenty fifteen. Yeah, Home is going
offline in Japan. Yeah, sure, so, I mean, you know,
make your peace. I remember at one point being like convinced that like,
oh, well, of course they'll port PlayStation Nome to PS four.
It makes money for them. Why wouldn't they do it? Like, oh,
wait, has that ever been confirmed? It's not just something we heard
around. It's it's you know, I'm not gonna sit here and say that
we've seen the books. Yeah, like we didn't check the receipts on it.
But it's one of those kind of quiet things of just like no,
it's yeah, it's I mean I guess you couldn't. You could infer from
the fact that they left it running for like what six years, but it
was doing Okay. Have any of you ever met a single person that uses
that met someone in person up outside of a one time novelty like, oh,
I looked at it. It was weird. I've known people who worked
on it, Okay. No, I mean people that like are fans of
Home and no. We you know, Patrick has done a series of stories
on Home over the years and reached out and interviewed people and stuff like that.
But in terms of actual just in the wild, No, I just
love PlayStation Home. Hell no, no, absolutely not Second life people,
yeah, exactly, they theoretically exist. Second life stile thing. You've never
met a second either. I don't know if Second life is a thing in
the way that it used to be a thing, like where people were earning
a living making shoes. But it's a good documentary about second life, Real
Life two point zero the name of it. There are two documentaries. Is
one that's just about people meeting online, and this one that's specifically about second
life. I think Life two point zero might be the Second Life one,
and the head of Linden Labs like this crazy face. Every time it comes
on, You're like, oh, of course this is the guy that's see
over the company making Second Life. You're a fucking nut job. Look at
you, mann kind of job we're talking about it just like it's just crazy
eyes. You're like, dude, stop talking about this thing like it's like
changing everything, Like no, this is no, it's changing everything for creepy
people and shut ins. Dan, did every tell you I interviewed for Second
Life? For them? What would you have been doing? I don't know,
right out of college or maybe in college for internship. I can't remember,
but they conducted the interview in Second Life. Oh my god, that's
not like on tape anywhere, right like that. Some of these documentaries,
some of the Second Life And it's the amazing thing about it is it runs
like shit, and you're like, dude, you're making a documentary on this
thing. Get a better computer. And then I remember when Vinnie took a
look at it and remember running like garbage then, which maybe just realize like,
oh wait, it just runs like shit? Is it just like crappy
sims? It's it's it's more like multiplayer Maya it's a little more. It's
a three D animation program. I'm going to make your own animations and your
own stuff, and you can sell those things to other people for a currency,
and in game currency that can be translated back out to dollars. I
mean, that's that's where the cliche about like flying penises came from, because
people made literal flying penises and had them like crash public events. Like at
one point Obama conducted an interview in Second Life. I want to say,
wow, you kind of whatever he was playing it, it was just like,
you know, people were asking him questions, he was answering when someone
was you know, sitting on a fake couch or you know whatever it was.
But I need Brad to elaborate on this, the flying penis thing.
So I think it was a press conference that they held, wasn't it.
It was there. I can't remember the specifics, but it seemed like,
you know, so there was a time where like people were convinced that Second
Life was going to matter in a weird way, so brands would want to
be associated with it. So it's like we're opening the first virtual Mercedes dealership
inside Second Life, and you can come look at all the latest models and
hopefully that'll inspire people to go buy real Mercedes is. And so the reaction
to a lot of stuff, like as the attention would get there, is
that, you know, people would make it rain dicks. As there was
news attention on Second Life. That's really they would try to ruin it by
making it rain dicks. I knew you'd like that. That's super funny.
Yeah, it's like the guy that's like the Russian Prime minister or whatever is
doing the thing, and the guy the remote controlled dick. Yeah, and
he made a fly up. That's just that's the that's the purest humor possible,
a super serious thing. And o there's a flying penis. Yeah,
like here you go dicks. Yeah, distilled humor. Yeah, Like you
know, Bruce Willis didn't interview in Second Life. People were DJs, and
so it's it's a it's a it's a fuck man. Uh. Watched an
episode of Law and Order SVU recently where a kidnapping took place in their cheesy
facsimile of Second Life. So it was there, which yes, it was
called. It was called another universe. Yo universe. It's a really good
shitty nay. Yeah, And then they went to the They went to the
founder and CEO's house because they needed favors, like some database searches run.
And he was this like spelt like model, handsome British guy in a like
fancy suit of course, the giant wall of monitors showing like every player in
the game, and he was like, let's do that. I'm gonna have
to turn it from night today and we've never done that before, Like,
just do it, So we did it. That sounds really shop. Look
that episode up. It's really dumb. I remember, really dumb. Dave
Toyster. Yeah, made money in there in Second life, No, in
there, Oh there dot com was a second life like uh he was selling
skins that looked like the general Lee for Theault Dune Byby or something and made
a bunch of money. I forget exactly what it was. Wow, what's
her name? Assassin's Creed Raymond, Jade Raymond? Was it there back in
the day. That sounds vaguely familiar. It's because it's true. Yeah,
Yeah, the truth can often sound familiar. And the Internet used to be
weird. It still is, yeah, just in different ways. Yeah,
kind of liked the old way it used to be weird. That's a little
less malicious at times. Yes, but that's what I like about. It's
something by that hard edged malice. Do you go like, all right,
it's real. I don't know if I can. I don't know if I
can follow you on this one too? Real? Oh man? Remember that
game that was unveiled at the Sony Conference at games Calm, The Vanishing of
Ethan Carter, Yes, remember that one. It's the Astronaut's one, right,
Yes, the developers. Yes, the developer is called the Astronauts.
Yeah, they're former people can Fly, so former Bulletstorm developers. It's coming
out on the twenty fifth September. Yeah. And I bring that up mostly
because I feel like it's one step closer to realizing this glorious future of games
getting announced and then just released. That wasn't just announced the games, was
it not? No? That had been announced long before every year and fucking
whip a hammer and like an energy whip into the ground and make people pop
up in the air and shoot him and yep, that's the one, and
kick him on his spikes yep, and then call him the dick lips.
What was the what was the dick tits? No, I think they said
dictits in that game. Yeah, there was a specific it was one of
the trailers or something said it was that the one though. I feel like
there was a certain slur in that game that really made the Browns. I
don't think that was that was that was. That was definitely one of them.
I feel like I remember them trying to prop it up as being edgier
than it actually was. Oh yeah, that's yeah, that's but there's that
is exactly what they did. There's nothing edgy about that. That game was
trying too hard for that. Like I like good like a good dick joke
or usage that word or whatever, but like that game was just trying so
hard to be like that where you know, yeah, and for mature Like
I like the game play a lot. It was really good. It was
a really cool game. Yeah, the humor just seemed a little lazy.
Yep. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well I may be wrong on this,
h I thought that was the first of that game. Adrian, he
was the lead on bullet Storm. He's been tweeting about it for like I
think at least over He was also there for Gears Judgment, right yeah,
right before that came out. Or something like that. That was really interesting
because I was on the cover story trip for that because we announced it with
when I was a Game Informer, and it was right before Adrian and I
want to say Rod left and they both just seemed kind of checked out during
that, and like it was right after that they both left. We're like,
well, that was weird because like they were the main people that we
were talking to about Gears Judgment, like we don't know, you can play
it if you want. Yeah, we were asking Adrian questions and Adrian was
supposed to be the lead of the multiplayer component of Judgment, and we'd be
like, oh, so when you're this big snake guy, what can he
do? And he's like, ask that guy. He probably knows. So
when they left, it's like, okay, that makes sense. Yeah,
but yeah, they did both work on that. Well, anyway, it'll
be cure or it'll be interesting to see. You know, these are the
people who made Bold Storm and a Gears game and pain Killer. You know,
they're making more of a kind of a quiet, reserved horror experience of
some kinds. So that'll be out soon and that's kind of it. Yeah,
for video game industry News, this week unless anybody else has anything they
want to bring to the four. I got an Xbox. Okay, we
got an Xbox. They're breaking news here, drew scandalon owns an Xbox one.
I wanted. I wanted to ask you more about that same day delivery,
but I guess there's nothing else to say, right, Like you ordered
it to showed up. Yeah, I mean I have Amazon Prime. Was
it? It was just listed as an option along with like you know,
two days. I think it's one of the things where in San Francisco they
are habit on certain items, okay, sort of like probably on fresh in
some studies where you get groceries and stuff like that delivered same day. There's
probably some warehouse. Yeah, they well know, they very specifically they bought
a huge plot and built a warehouse in South San Francisco. Well there you
go a year or two ago. Although the box said Nevada. Uh,
who knows. Maybe they ship there in a box and it sits in that.
Yeah, that's still cool. I don't know if that's something they'll be
able to extend to their in the entire country, but no, probably not,
probably not. We were like Korea and real tiny. Yeah, I
live in major city. I've thought about the rhetoric question. I was just
asking the answer. It would have been quite clear. Sorry, butte Montana.
All right, let's move on to the emails. All right, the
emails, emails, emails. There you go, great, who's still playing
Ingress? I have it on my phone. I have it on my phone.
It does not run properly on my phone. No, I was thinking
about downloading it, and I can't get it on that Amazon phone because it's
an Amazon phone and it doesn't have Google stuff. I guess you just have
to go get another Android phone. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.
Yeah, okay, you know, I'll just you could just take off now
if you really want to get that done. Yeah, cool, I take
of that. BombCast a giant bomb dot COM's the email BombCast at GiantBomb dot
com. Maybe if I say it, I will, I will, I
will imprint the memory developed, the mouth muscle memory of saying that phrase enough
times, it'll just start coming out. Yeah, BombCast at GiantBomb dot com.
That's how it works. Is the email address or you can send emails
like this one subject line. A guy near my town died because he was
playing Ingress. What well, actually he died because he was stupid. But
what happened is he was crazy addicted to the game to the point that he
ran out of his house to capture a nearby portal before the other the other
faction could. On his way to the portal, he ran blindly into the
street and got hit by a bus. His mother wanted to sue Google,
claiming her son died because the game was too addictive. It's too real.
This happened over a year ago and I haven't heard anything since. So I
guess you didn't win yet or even sue in the first place. Also,
this happened in Brazil, just so you know. So, yeah, I
guess, and Ingress is a yeah, we shouldn't do that. It's risk
public safety. I just I just deployed like five resonators. I'm downloading that.
I'm right now. Yeah, are you taking over territory as we speak?
It was on a blue spot. Yeah yeah. So if I start
playing this, are we gonna have to like, you know, takes places
in the office or is this like each street corner as a portal? And
this is kind of what you're like, Holy crap, what am I looking
at I don't know. It looks like streets. I don't that's the inside
of the matrix. Yeah, the hell is that? I don't know.
I've heard some complaints that that game is hard to get in get into.
At this point, I have no idea what's happened, well, not even
mechanically, so much is like the strongholds are already so strong that it's kind
of hard to assail them. You know what I mean? Is that the
case? I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me.
The whole thing is just a fucking grid of bullshit and just tap on
stuff and deploy resonators and then hack portals and then none of it means shit.
Uh. I've got another email here, which I probably won't actually read,
from Zach and McHenry, Illinois, about a friend of his who was
walking through a neighbor's yard trying to get to a specific portal or not maybe
not even a neighbor, maybe he was in a random neighborhood, but he
dropped his wallet in their backyard and they found it called the cops on him
because they thought he was like peeping tom. So he got a visit from
the cops. So yeah, man Ingriss. Probably it's bringing people together.
Probably pretty stupid. I can guarantee you as someone who has attempted to play
it. Yeah, it's stupid. Should I just not download it? No?
I mean do what you want to do, live your own life.
But just no, it's stupid. Ingress or swing copters Ingress, Yeah,
swing copters is less to play. Okay, that's fair. Luca asked from
shared in Indiana did they have a shared in there? The Sheridan shared the
share aton in Sheridan, Oh, I think not forget it, although I'm
a little freaked out here because he signed as email Lucas. But in the
from Field, it says Guillermo, I'm not sure what to believe anyway,
He asserts the Big Boss canonically invented Derito's Okay go on. Over the course
of Peace Walker, Big Boss recruits engineers to make different gadgets for his use
on the field. Amongst the things, you can make our axe body,
spray threritos, and of course mountain dew. At least in the Japanese version,
they had generic names. Over here. I know the series is goofy,
but this is one of my favorite dumb things. About it. Do
you have a favorite stupid product placement in a video game. There's a lot
in Metal Gear as far as like, yeah, he's got calorie maids.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds great. I always love like there's
old Tony Hawk games to where like you would pause and it would just show
like some stupid phone. That's like it just makes it your face was just
like it's a T Mobile side kick. Yeah, I had a T Mobile
sidekick, and like I hated that it was in that game. And it's
just if you ever go back, kind of a cool phone, you know,
for that era, But that doesn't mean I want to look at and
it's just gonna instantly date your game like anyone plays it at any point in
the future to oh god, that's stupid phone. Yeah, that's pretty dumb.
He had a keyboard on it. Yeah. Cell phone is a problem,
like the most the most ubiquitous thing. Remember when we launched this site,
none of us had iPhones. Yeah, so we didn't remember. Remember
all four of us went and got an iPhone day. Yeah, the day
the iPhone three G came out, we all came into the office with our
new mobile sidekick. Right up until that day, I had multiple sidekicks.
I broke my sidekick three and went out and got another sidekick three, And
then like two months later the iPhone came out. I was like, well,
fuck it. That was right before E three that year, wasn't it.
Yeah. I feel like we went to E three like that weekend or
the next weekend. It was just dead battery city is everyone out and bought
iPhones. But and then took him to E three and realized this doesn't work
for ship. Yeah. But I also remember driving around in that minivan we'd
rented with the maps app losing our fucking minds. That was pretty good that
we could navigate with the thing, And oh man, that was so awesome.
Even iPhones used to be better, didn't didn't Crazy Taxily have KF season
it? Yeah? Yeah? Had pizza huts and the whole Kent Taco Hut
trilogy. Do they or the train? There was no taco bell and they
were not merged. I'm sorry, what did you just say, the can
Taco Hut trinity? It sounds like a dime store novel? Did you make
that up? No people know about cantaco huts, oh man, although I
haven't seen him here I've only seen the Pizza Hut KFCs. I haven't seen
it. Wait, no, I've got a Taco Bell KFC near in my
place. Yeah, there's one of those near me. Doesn't have the pizza
hut, not the KA it's a hut Taco Bell in near the college near
me. They just need to throw all three of them in there. I
don't know why they're not doing. Have you ever seen such an establishment?
Yeah, in Kansas, they do exist, the trip Yeah, can taco
huts. Okay, the Kansas mean, I know they're all owned by the
same company, which is what I thought you were. Young Brands. One
of my Twitter followers nor, Yeah, it is Young Brands, you're on
Yeah, yeah, no, Pepsi young brands. Yeah yeah, Wait all
Pepsi products in all those places. What does Pepsi own Young Brands or the
other way around, the other way around? Okay, I think Young Brands
owned. Pepsi is the parent corporate. It has to be the parent corporation
in this arrangement. I believe you might be. You might be right there,
But yeah, Young Brands is the Cantaco Hut. That's why they all
have Pepsi's and everything. This is monstrous. It's great, This discussion is
understanding. Thing is that the round Table pizza in my neighborhood shut down while
I was out of town. Is that bad? Which I want to say,
I'm sorry. You got Domino's. Yeah, the Dominoes open. Yeah,
the Domino's open. There's a little Caesars there. Round Table charged too
much for pizza. Round table is not good either, right. Oh,
yeah, that was actually quite good. Really. Yeah, it was fun
people riding. They don't have them on the East Coast, so I would
say it is a slightly higher tier of pizza than a Pizza Hut or a
Dominoes. They have five dollars five dollars hunting readies. Hell no, that's
they're they're little Caesars every time. Yeah, I guess have Papa Murphy's out
here. Yeah, I got one near me. Okay, No Papa John's,
though, Papa John's the best. God damnit. I love Papa John's
and pizza. I've only had it like once, and I thought it was
kind of lackluster. I don't think the garlic dippy thing, the garlic dippy
things, the little peper thing you every single pizza hut, every single pizza
place in the history of pizza places has a little garlic. By default,
Papa John's cares about its customers. Just throw every single pizza you get that.
Although I think pizza huts still king On doesn't care about shit. Papa
John cares about getting paid. No, no, Papa No, I don't
think it doesn't care about his employees. Look at that. Like Papa John's
kind of a day. Yeah, Papa John. It's sort of a ship
back, is he. I don't know, he's always see like an actual
Like yeah, that's actual, Like yes, apparently like a not a good
person. Oh okay, sorry, sorry to shatter your illusions. I like
his pizza. I'll say that. How do you feel I get pizza more
often than not. How do you feel about local pizza? I'll try any
pizza. I like local pizza. I like, yeah, yeah, there's
some. There's some passable pizza in San Francisco. When we were in LA
for SummerSlam, we ordered two pizzas and they were garbage. They were not
not good. I don't know. If LA is not for California is not
known. There's one specific place in LA that does a Chicago pizza pretty well.
Apparently is it garage pizza because we heard garage pizza because it was the
only thing that was open late and it sucked at im Sure that wasn't garbage
pizza and we actually called it that. Yeah. No, it looks like
Timter puked all over his bed because he he folded up like a New York
thing and just this cascade of grease came down and all over the side of
the bed. It's just this like brown, oily yellow stuff. And yeah,
I'm sure room service though he just piked all overs. God damn,
I'm hungry. Well, let's get through these emails in Okay so you can
go get some puke of your own. Uh, here's a question. You
guys fucked me up, and I'm gonna get pizza when I get home.
Now I think I am too. What is it? What is different than
than How is that any different from your plans? Prior to that discussion,
I had not made any food plans raw and pizza. Would you say pizza
was at least on the list of potentials? You know, a drive through
so much faster because you're literally taking the food home and immediately, because pizza
takes too long to make. At the Taco Bell Pizza Hut near my place,
you can drive through and you can order like Pizza Hut personal pan pizzas
at that point usually because that's the only stuff I have read of them,
and they just have it ready, and like Little Caesars does the when they
would say their pizzas are ready, they mean it because the pizzas are,
you know, generally of a middling quality anyway, so it's like it's not
that far to fault and have been ready probably for a couple of hours,
you know. No, the turnover the pizza is so cheap, man,
people are fucking running okay, okay, and they only do that between set
hours. Oh okay, so when they guarantee like no this this pizza will
be fucking red. So they're basically like selling them as fast as they can
make them, kind of more or less. Seems like it. I don't
know, I don't have no idea. What was I saying, I don't
know, I don't know. Pizza, pizza, pizza, Yeah, oh
so yeah, that that's the thing like that. I don't I don't like
the combination when they when they put pizza with other restaurants, the pizzas,
the thing that suffers. Taco Bell is fine. Yeah, Taco Bell lap
that bullshit together in fucking twenty seconds. I don't care where you are shot.
I'm gonna get a personal fan pizza and it a bunch of Taco Bell
bullshit. That's gonna be great, Okay. And they need to bring back
that thing that had the spicy Fridos in it. Oh, that Taco Bell
that was well. You can ask for the red sticks, the little crunch
they're good. They're good, they're good. Que so rito is not that
good. Que Rito is disappointing, not that much, as are the doritos
tacos, the rito tacos and concepts thing. Ritos tacos are disgusting. They're
too fucking salty. They're gross. They're gross. Hugely popular though, I
never get tacos crazy, Yeah, exactly food. Nobody, nobody actually likes
those things. They just sell them by the millions. You can't you can
barely taste it. People love them, but I think people suck. Thanks
do they ever roll out the cool ranch ship. It's not great, and
then they've gone beyond that and they do like a spicy or something. Yeah,
No, they're not great. Just the case is the best thing they
have there. A bunch of fire sauce cheese roll ups. Those are great.
Cheese roll ups are stupid because yes they are great, but because they
just fucking put cheese in a tortilla. Roll them here you go. It's
great. It's like it's like a discount. You think it's make that at
your house. Three of them for a dollar. I've been getting those almost
weekly since I was like six. It makes like twenty of those for a
dollars. They're not good, nothing that you gotta STU made those since you
were sick. Yeah, it did. My mom was a manager of a
taco bell when I was a little kid. She was just making that on
her own boot. It's wait, I feel like this explains so much.
That was only like for like a four month job or something. She was
a waitress of Macaroni Grille and Chilis for basically my whole childhood. But she
had a brief sense like the skillet caso for free, which she's come home
with like a vat No, because I was a skill from Chilis. No,
I was always afraid of trying any new food, so I just ate
the chicken tenders and fries like constant chili. Is it really good? So
yeah, why were you afraid? Guys? I was just stupid. I
can't entertain this thought process. That's yeah. Sometimes sometimes you don't want to
take risks with food sometimes if you are genuinely hungry, Yeah, you go
with what you know, because if you get too far outside your comfort zone
and you're just disappointed, you've ruined that in time exactly, which for years
I knew if I was going to Taco Bell that if I got three cheese
roll ups. And this is before I'd even tried hot sauce. That was
not until I was like twenty seven. So just like three cheese roll ups
and a thing a standard nachos. I've never get the crazy ones or sour
cream stull of cheese with a ship ton of extra cheeses and then a bunch
of cheese roll ups. But the next meal is only likes cheese and then
more cheese. It's the next meal is only like sixty eight hours away,
though I don't know. To each his own nile in Ireland, Ireland,
I rarely eat three meals in a day. Yeah, okay, go on,
should eat more. I mean, you're not wrong I should eat more
and less at the same time. Yes, like I should eat less per
meal and then more frequently. It's effective. H Nile wants to know about
the Dreamcast, specifically the death of the Dreamcast. All right, you get
three cheese rollers. I was talking about the launch of the Dreamcast, not
forty eight hours ago, Okay, specifically my trip to New York and all
that suff Okay, well let's bring it all home then with the end of
that whole thing. Yes, hey, Bondcast crew, I have the question.
I have a question about the death of the Dreamcast and Saga's exit from
the console space. What was this series of events that led to that decision
from Sega And was the exit al already rumored before it happened, or was
it an actual surprise that came out of nowhere. I know that the Saturn
was a bit of a boondoggle for them, and the PS two stomped them
pretty hard, but other than that, I don't really know what the atmosphere
was, what the atmosphere was like around Sega at the time, and how
shocking this news actually was. I wasn't following game news much back then,
and now any coverage of the matter. I can find only deals with the
announcement and the aftermath, not the lead up. Any nuggets of info would
be appreciated. I remember Sega being dicey in the lead up to that announcement,
like that there was just they didn't they all of a sudden didn't seem
like they had their ship together the way they normally did. Are you saying
that as somebody on the inside who was working with them as a company.
Yeah, it was, you know, trying to contact them about upcoming games
and stuff like that. Like there was just at some point the flow of
software seemed to change, and their accessibility and ease to work with seemed just
a little different. Like they knew I don't know, I don't know somebody
knew. Yeah, I mean, sure somebody knew. Obviously the atmosphere or
the culture was probably changed. But I think it was one of those things
where also, like you know, like the writing was was starting to really
hit the wall on that stuff for a couple of reasons, and it was
just like the software wasn't selling, like it wasn't connecting with people the way
that it should have been, or would have been if the games were better.
I guess ultimately, you know, it's like there was just some stuff
coming out. You're like, I mean there's some innovation here, there's some
really interesting stuff, but it's just not like it's too weird still. You
know, they would innovate and put out, you know, a big online
game like Alien Front Online or something like that, and you know it's like
here's this action game the shooter and stuff like that, but it never got
out there in a way that fit, you know, with the other shooters,
and it never they didn't market it at all. I don't remember if
they even market at all. They probably did, but you know, they
just didn't seem like they had their ship together when it came to getting their
games in front of people, and the PS two was just fucking drilling it
every chance it had, just on perception alone. Even before the PS two
was out, you know, like all people were talking about is how much
they wanted a PS two, and everybody's saying, I'm not getting the Dreamcast
because I'm waiting for and then you know, you had I mean, there's
a ton of factors. I mean, it's it's like weird to think about
now, but like at that time when EA said we're not making games for
the Dreamcast like it, Matt. You know, Madden was a very big
deal, and it's crazy to think because Sega went out and made a better
fucking football game, but that didn't matter because they didn't have Madden. So
yet people are like, well, I'm waiting for the PS two because I
know that they're gonna have Madden, you know. And I think a lot
of people that had that attitude were not super educated and did not follow games
very closely. Otherwise they would have known like that's ridiculous and this football games
actually I'm better, but it's like whatever I need, Matt, you know.
The same way It's like, you know, if four years ago or
something someone said like, oh, well you know, there's no call of
duty on this platform, it would have been like what, well, fuck
you, I'm not getting that. I was like, well, we got
nine other shooters. Yeah, So I don't know, like, there just
seemed like there were some subtle, weird changes that like when they made that
announcement, the extent of it was shocking, but not that shocking, I
guess. I mean, you were on the conference call, right, I
was like, what was the language? So just like exiting Peter Moore saying
like business are effective. You know, Oh, man, I wish I
I don't know. I wonder that word out there somewhere. Yeah, yeah,
I kind of want to hear that. No I can't. I hear
like my weird thing is part of that. What what did you ask a
question? No? I didn't, but so so I know I've told this
think so you know, Dan probably hasn't heard it at least. Uh.
The day that they canceled the Dreamcast, I was home sick, and they
said, we're having a conference call to talk about the future of the Dreamcast.
And it was like ominous in a way. You're like, oh,
like at that point, I think, I want to say, like the
day before, the day before that, or something like, it had gotten
out a little bit. It and retailers were like running from the fucking Dreamcast
or whatever it was. But you kind of knew that something drastic was about
to happen from just the tenor of things the past couple of day. So
I was home, just stomach sick. So I was on the toilet doing
what you do when your stomach sick, just just emptying. Just it was
a making a mess, making a goddamn mess and listening to this conference call,
which I had on a speakerphone in the other room and muted, and
just at one point, you know, they're they're at the end of the
call. They took questions, you know, like like like you do on
an invest your phone call. We're like, you know, you push the
button and say your name when you connect to the call, so they know
who's who, and then you push a button saying you have a question.
And at some point they just go, Jeff Gersman from videogames dot com,
you have a question or I guess we were actually just game spot at that
point. We were all merged in, I think, and there I am
sitting on the toilet and other one's going and I just stayed deaf, deadly
silent. I knew the phone was you did, but I was like hello,
hello, and then went on to the next call. But I was
just like, that's yeah, I don't know. That's how I remember the
cancelation of the Dreamcast. Yeah, yeah, it's like so it's a yeah.
The story of the launch of the Dreamcast was super weird for me.
The cancelation was super weird for me. Was that was that o two one
one of the other. I think they made it to maybe O two that
sounds right. I think it was earlier in the year. Also, you
know, piracy had become a real prompt for them. You're right, you
know that was the other That was I mean, that was the arc of
the Dreamcast. For me. That was I was still in college, like
or towards the end, I guess, but uh, well no, because
it launched what is the thing? Yeah, Like I had multiple friends who
went to the local mall and like stood in line and got that thing at
midnight and came back and we all played soul caliber and drank shitty pier and
like had our minds blown. Yeah. Like at the time, it seemed
like a big fucking deal. Remember seeing the launch of it was a big
yeah, Like it seemed like shit, they moved hardware, they go,
they turned this into an event, Like people went and lined up for it,
and it looks amazing, like this is gonna be some they got a
spot a Good Morning America. Yeah, sure. But then but then yeah,
over time, like I remember towards the end, like as I was
like close to graduation and coming out here and stuff, like half my friends
just had binders full of CDRs. Yeah, because that was the point where
you didn't even have like, didn't have to mod there was a disc or
anything. It was just like just literally just directly download download like stripped images
of games and burn it and play it. And I was just like,
oh my god, like this thing got hired. It so fucking bad.
Yeah, And and so you know that spooked a lot of the third parties,
and the third party support was already wasn't outstanding, you know, so
it wasn't We never saw a penpen tryslon too, which is this reals unfortunate.
So you don't think it was a hardware install based thing so much as
just the games weren't moving. I think it's a it's a little bit of
everything, you know. I think that you know, the hardware didn't catch
on at the rate that it maybe should have for as cool of a system
that was out of the gate. Yeah, I think the software didn't always
hold up its end of the bargain, especially some of the third party stuff.
And I think, you know, to some extent, you know,
tastes were changing, you know, the the quirky stuff that that was coming
out of the Dreamcast is like it's amazing because it's like stuff that just like
you know, Tokyo Bus Guide coming out in Japan and it's like going getting
all this freaky shit importing stuff and all that was just amazing. But you
know, the the people wanted Madden and that was on PS two. You
know, uh, you know, Namco never really got truly serious about the
Dreamcast. Yeah, I mean, Soul Caliber is as serious as guess I
guess. It's like that's still one of the marquee games. But they were
never really there fully. It felt like like was there ever a tech No?
No, no, that was no. That was the thing that happened
because I was on whatever game spot TV talking to Sessler around the time of
the Dreamcast launch and I said I would really like to see a techn game
on this system, and then that got translated into Japanese, and then when
it aired in Japan, it said I can't, like you know, basically
it was like me saying that there was a tech in game coming. Japan
reported that we have words that at teching games coming to the Dreamcast, and
then by the time it all got debunked, it like everyone's an idiot.
Everyone in this whole chain of events and wow, your words because it got
back to me and I was like, awesome, they're making a tea.
It's fucking great. I was just saying how they should do that. Yeah.
I remember being so disappointed when I brought my Dreamcast home on launch day,
which I wanted a bet, which is great on launch day, I
want a bet and want a Dreamcast, but I assume, hang on,
what was the bet? It's real stupid. I was my mom. It
was it was whatever the Sunday was before the launch day of ninety nine,
and I wanted a Dreamcast but I didn't have the money and my mom was
upstairs and I was down to ninety nine maybe or the Sunday before whatever it
was, Yeah, and my mom was like, what channels the Chiefs came
on? Because I was starting to watch it downstairs. It was like the
first quarter. I was like, oh, it's on CBS and she's like,
nah, it's not right. It's gotta be on NBC. I was
like, no, I've got it on down here. It's on CBS.
I see the little eye logo here. She's like, that's not right.
I'll bet you anything. I was like, all right, Dreamcast is coming
out in a couple of days. How about if it's on CBS, you
buy me dreamcasts on last day. If not, I'll do chores for free
for three months. Because I knew I was right, She's like, you're
on and so I told her to come downstairs and she saw the CBS logo
and she's like, all right, I guess I gotta buy your dreamcast.
Oh yeah, And so I got it, and I got it two k
Ready to Rumble, Boxing, Soul Caliber and Sonic Adventure. She wow,
yeah, did you marry you? Ever? Did you get the rerelease Ready
to Rumble to have the little little sticker on it so it didn't have the
audio bug? I don't think so. So the first there was the problem
with the first runt of games where there would be like an auto right to
you. Yeah, I remember that that they ended up rereleasing. More importantly,
do your chores? Nobody's I won the bet. He won the bet.
Yeah, But the beat was if I lost, I hadn't be absolve
you from responsibility of doing your shores. I had Soul Caliber, I didn't
need chores any money. But I was so bummed out because having not been
a PC game or ever I'd never been able to play games online, and
it always sounded like the most fascinating thing in the world to me. I
remember like trying to install Half Life and so I could play Team Fortress because
it sounded like the coolest thing in the world. And it does nothing work
because I don't even think we had the internet back then, And so finally
I would that would do it? Yeah, which I remember going to dos
and the C colon backslash. I remember seeing commercials for Zoop on Super Nintendo,
that puzzle game, and be like, hey, you can play a
demo of Zoop right now. I'd go to zoop dot com and I was
like, I can play this game for free, and so I would go
to the sea prompt on doc would be like www dot zoop dot com.
It'd be like file directory not found. I'm gonna have kids at schoolould be
like, I know how to hack onto the internet. Oh, I can
figure this out. I got the C colon thing, I'll figure out how
to hack into it and play Zoop. Where the hell was I going with
all that? Did you ever finally play Zoop and go? Oh? Man?
I bought Zoop at Blockbuster. They had a used like after PlayStation already
came out of bout it for like five dollars and never played it much.
But where the hell is I going? Yeah? So I always on play
online games, and I was reading an AGM and everything that like, yeah,
the Dreamcast is going to be ready for online, you know, right
out of the gate. And it's like awesome, I finally get to play
these games. And I was so hyped for Soul Caliber, and it delivered
one of my favorite games of all time. But I would see these reviews
that are like ten out of ten from EGM, like the whole review crew
said ten out of ten. And so I got it, and I just
assumed I was gonna be able to play it online right away. So I
get home, I just put my Dreamcast down, not knowing anything about the
internet, and I just took the fifty six K the phone thing or whatever
just plugged it into my Dreamcast. I'm like going through the menus, like
all right, do I go into verses to play online? And it turns
out do you have to like build a game to play Online's? I just
play a multiplayer game, so it's not like the X Band the Second Channel.
Yeah, I think I had the modem built in, right, Yeah,
yeah it was removable but yes, okay, but you didn't have to
buy it separately nor remember the GameCube had some separate thing like I guess you
could technically play Mario Kard Double Dash through a modem thing. Yeah there was.
You can fantasy Star Adopter like fantasy Star Online. Yeah, every three
the card battling game. Yeah, we're selling those at games stuff. What
the fuck is this? Like, I didn't even know games it worked for.
Yeah, the Dreamcast was kind of a special system, it was,
I was thinking, and we likely shall not see it's it's like again,
it just seems too weird in retrospect. Yeah, like games are weird in
a different way now and then you know, you see some of that spirit,
but a lot of it is just you know, independent games coming out
of the PC and now well and now consoles too. But that's setting a
lot of space channels and jet grinds and shoot rockets and Seaman's we're seeing,
you know, like was it curse the necro Dancer? You know, It's
like, but even a lot of that stuff exists. Even even a lot
of that stuff hues a little more closely to establish kind of rule sets and
stuff. It's a rhythm game and a roguelike, but those are still things
that you know, as opposed to like Semn Like what the fuck was the
man? It was awesome? I loved see man, Where did stuff like
that come from? Like wherever Gang Beasts at least? Yeah? Yeah.
Gang Beast is like kind of an example of like I not my wildest dreams
could I have envisioned a game like this, and yet here it is.
I still it would put it to you that I think that, like you're
right on like an individual case by case level, but I think like today,
right now, games have never been better. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're right. No, the referring has never been There are richer,
more and better and more varied games. You're totally right. I mean,
also part of it was that there was such a unified, like corporate backing
to this thing. And I'd like to see a giant corporation make this system,
yeah and put that kind of room behind it like that. You know
you're gonna see it iterated on by like little indie studios over and over right
right to see one big publisher, you know, putting that much money behind
it it's kind of insane. Segad was always a weird fucking company. Yeah.
Yeah, they made their arcade transition, they did their stuff. It
was just a they were always crazy. Ye nice belly up to the mic,
next time you do that. Dan, riff Raff and Guar, says
Nick from Detroit, gentleman, I remember of the insane clown posse. I'm
gonna say, yes, Okay from Detroit, and he's from Detroit's right they
really frightened about Yeah, Southwest del Ray. God damn it. Thought I
would have known that too. Yeah, I do that. I enjoyed Dan's
story about riff Raff's visit to his office and was wondering if he has any
stories about when they had Guarre making appearance ri ip Odorus Aungus. Yeah,
those guys were genuinely insane. Uh. They were great. They weren't like
Riff. They were the opposite of riff Raff in terms of like the energy
they brought. Riff Raff just seemed like he wanted to be anywhere else.
Guar was super into it. And if I think it's on YouTube, Stiller
Game and Pharma site just searched for connect Ki and the Microsoft act Guarre and
they were like dancing the Lady Gaga and Dance Central and stuff and going around
the office just kind of freaking everyone out. They were awesome. They gave
us tickets to the show. It was great. Yeah, Guaro played around
in my town like a fair amount. Okay, like I could get into
a lot of those shows wait at smaller venues. They really They played the
Phoenix Fairy. I always thought of them as like an arena band for some
reason, and not maybe and clubs and stuff, kind of wars, kind
of guars about to start tap some crowd and stuff. I'm gonna stand at
the back here and watch this for a while. Fucking all right, let's
go. Let's go to a bar. Well. I remember a few things
that weren't in the video because the video is pretty long. We got a
lot of stuff in there. But we had some beers in our fridge and
they just immediately just went in and started drinking all of our beers. You
know, I didn't ask or anything. They carried around these giant hockey bags
for all their gear, and it just smelled like shit, just like the
sweatiest rubber horse shit. It was terrible. Odorus was super obsessed with trying
to get me to get ahold of one of my GameMaker friends to make a
Guar video game, and he like clearly had put a lot of time into
thinking this. He said he wanted to be like World of Warcraft on the
scale of World Warcraft naturally and be like the Guar universe. He's like,
Oh, We've got thirty years of lore built up, Like this is gonna
be a thing, Like who what's the developer? Who do we who do
you need to get me in touch with? And like god, like he
was super earnest about like he really wanted this, and like I justused to
know what to tell him, Like I don't know, Like I think I
said double fine or something. But that's an inspired choice that makes a lot
of sense in a lot of ways. Off. Yeah, so a real
legend could have been something completely different. Yeah. I think the one thing
I remember the most is Odorous was changing into his gear in our little break
room, which doesn't really have a door try you just kind of walk in,
and he was like in the middle of changing. Well, okay,
so I didn't see this first. I was walking behind Megan Marie, who
used to work at Game in former then went to a tomb raider and now
I think she works on legal legends or something. And so she was just
walking into the kitchen to get her coffee. She had her mug, and
I was right behind her because I was gonna walk in and check on Odorous.
I see here, take like one step into the kitchen, stop deadner
tracks, turn around with her eyes just completely wide, and just walk the
other direction. I was like, what did she just see? And I
walk in and it's Odorous. He's wearing nothing except for he's got like these
panties on. He's got his big shoulder pads on, and he's bending over
like lacing up his boots and it's like full on fish nets, like no
shirt or anything, just fish nets and panties and like spiky shoulder pads.
I don't even know if Megan new Guar was in the office or anything.
She just walks in and she just sees like his ass and fish nets and
spiky road warrior pads and like, just okay, I'm going out of this
room immediately, justifiably so. And yeah, other than that, yeah,
they wrote Guar was here in dust on the top of our ending machine,
which I'm sure you're still there. They had drank our beer. They were
just super into it. They were They were a lot of fun, did
they they introduce themselves by their stage names? No, I think Odorus said
like Dave Brocky and stuff like. Yeah, I mean they were, I
mean they were loud personalities, but they didn't necessarily live at twenty four seven.
Okay, weren't riffraff? Okay, all right, so yeah they were
cool guys for sure, because like the guy had a post tripped about riffraff
but already closed the email. It wasn't that interesting. Yeah, okay,
here's an email from Ransom, which is pretty sweet name. Yeah, I
think I think that's a good name. You go by Randy At that point,
I think I'd think i'd call myself random, probably go by Ransom.
Why do you like Half Life? That's the question? Hey, everybody,
I never actually had a computer capable of running games on it when I was
growing up, so I never had the opportunity to play PC only games.
Can you guys genuinely tell me what it is about Half Life that makes you
all talk about it in such high regard. I realize it's out on the
three sixty and such, but I never had much interest to check it out
before. I'd love to hear all of your thoughts. Maybe this will help
me understand the outcry for Half Life three. It's a good question. Yeah,
it's a really good question. I probably have a similar thing as him.
You know, I've said in Numerou simes out how I couldn't play PC
games back then. So when I played Half Life one, actually, the
first time I played through it the whole way through was for a game form
video like two years ago, and like Half Life two, I didn't play
until like after the Orange Box came out. So, but when you look
at its time and place when those games were released, like when the original
Half Life came out, like the other stuff that I was up against a
lot of arena shooter type stuff, Half Life seemed to have more going out,
like more of a living world, like more of an attempted narrative here.
Two Yeah, I mean it was the first. It was the first
first person shooter at that time to really tell a cohesive story from start to
finish. I don't know, man, Did you play Sin, Yes?
I did. Did you finish Sin? Yes? I did? Fuck half
Life, I don't know, man, I mean, yeah, okay,
you're right. There were other games trying to do the same thing at the
same time, but like, I mean, you're right, at a Half
Life had a certain atmosphere to it with those other games, like I love
Sin for what it is, but come on, yeah, and I'm yeah,
I love Sin and I backed I backed to Sin in the Sin versus
Half Live war that existed in my head. I think that was kind of
real. Yeah, it wasn't. I think there was something to that because
Sin with the multiplayer was incredible. Yeah, yeah, I mean player and
Half Live was shit. I didn't love it, but it was okay.
It eventually turned into you know, a bunch of extremely popular games obviously,
but you know, but yeah, those games were only a few months apart.
I think. I mean, the intro to Half Life one is amazing.
Yeah, well, I like that whole just the audacity of like starting
your game with like zero combat and go in there for for what that genre
was that even today it's a bit much. It was. It was kind
of yeah, it was. It was unheard of at the time to have
this extended narrative set piece, like you know, they were building world atmosphere,
they were kind of introducing you into the environment and the premise. But
more than that, I mean, like shooters up to that point, you
know, like Sen had a little bit of a story to it, but
generally it was just a Doom style set of levels, you know, kind
of arranged end to end. Yeah, but you just ran through and killed
shit in until it was over. More than a story. It's more of
the presentation, yeah, thereof you know. Yeah, Like you know,
the maps in Half Life were obviously were discreet maps because that's how the engine
worked, but the way they arranged them so you just hit a quick little
load and then you were still in the same place, you know. Yeah,
Like the idea of this one contiguous environment that went through the entire game
was like a like minded step of time step on the teleporter. Right,
here's how many secrets you found? Right? Yeah. No, no score
screens, no, nothing like. It was just a story driven game that
had shooting in it, and with two especially in terms of tech. I
remember the first time seeing those screen chats and AGM and step just being like
that, there's no way this game is going to look like that. That
looks that looks like a photograph. Yeah, and you know, I remember
being so jealous people that could play it. It just looked amazing. But
then by the time I actually got around to play it on the Orange Box
or whatever, it's like, well, this is a really good game.
Obviously it's super polished and everything, but it is hard to get that impact
if I then if I had played it in yeah, yeah, by BYO
seven or O eight, whenever you played the Orange Box. Yeah, like
a bunch and bunch of other games would have done similar stuff by them.
Yeah. I call of Duty four the intro when you're getting driven around in
the car and you're kind of watching all that stuff happen. That's like the
you know, the original Half those those fucking faces and Half Life two at
the time were just like that was a watershed moment. And the physics and
those were the two things. And facial animation one of those things that,
like the physics, you look at it now, you don't really notice it.
It doesn't really stick out the way that it used to, except that,
like you wonder, like, why do they build a bunch of levels
around this physics stuff? Because that was unheard of at the time, especially
in shooters. You look at what other shooters were doing around then, Like
you know, everything was very static, Everything was very I remember when Counterstrike
Source came out and the first guy I killed his body rag dalled. I
took a screen shot because I was so blown away, like that's like that's
the kind of jumps that that game was. I think. I think ces
Source Beta came out before Half Life two, didn't I think? So?
Yeah, I seem to remember because we got into the we got into the
CEA Source beta game spot and had to install Steam for it. Right,
what the fuck is this? Why do I have to install this application to
play this video game? Fucking DRM bulsh. Yeah, Like it was like
we're just giving me the video game. I want to click on an exc
and go like what is this bullshit? And then Half Life two came a
few months later. Yeah, I remember like at the time, like having
like I was not a huge Half Life one fan. I would kind of
play the first single player up to a point like over and over again and
never really feel like getting past it. Never. I mean, the end
of Half Life is weak, you know. I think then even it's it's
even it's biggest fans will but then like half Life two. I remember like
really trying to get into it, and just like the physics stuff I thought
was like novel and interesting, but it didn't really blow me away. Zombie
and half by shooting a buzz side it's attend it just seemed like such like
a gimmick to me that like it just I was too blown away, like
a gimmick. I don't know. And and the atmosphere of Half Life two
also for whatever reason, really hooked me as well. Yeah, I think
Half Life one is better in the context of when it came out than two.
Is I agree, two is a little more gimmicky to me. Two
to me is is it is too long? Yes, yes, I think
there's a huge game. But if they cut a third of that game out
or you know, maybe even more, that that would be a very tight,
very great game. But the lengthy vehicle sequences and you're just get in
these situations where like the combat's not always great, you know. And yeah,
I don't know. Half Life two, I did not love that game.
I remember I loved that game like that was like, remember jasonal Campo
come back from this Games of ten gives ten and just like me and Greg's
going come on, Drew, you seem to love the game. Have you
played large chunks of it with the oculus well calibrated for it. I took
an Oculus home and calibrated it like perfectly for Half Life two and played like
five or six hours with it. It is awesome, really, it is
so good. You gotta do some tweaks that are easy to find. There's
lots of Oculus forms and stuff out there. It is so cool. Okay,
yeah, okay, it's been a couple of years. Yeah, I'd
recommend you take it out. Are there like texture packs and stuff? You
know, I've never really known how to like do mods and face I just
played the real version. I think there is some of that stuff out there.
Yea. As far as all the clamor for Half Life three, like
these days, I don't know what that even means, because like, what
do you know that? Well, hey, what do you want? And
be like? And I feel like this is kind of a loaded question because
inevitably they would think of something that I can't think of, But like,
what do you do with it? You know? Well, I think so
much more. I think the episodes were not like from a gameplay perspective,
I thought they were kind of cool, Like story wise, I didn't feel
great about that, Like I don't like the characters of Half Life two right
to me, it's like you have the g Man and you have Gordon and
anyone else like whatever. Oka. But I mean if you look at if
you look at the theme of the Half Life series as each iteration like pushing
the genre forward in some profound way, Like that's what people want. I
mean, they want a giant, mind blowing technological lead, right, But
I don't know what that is at this point, but I think it can't
just be that, you know, I think that they probably want a continuation
of that story. There's also that, like a lot of people the way
up like this whole yeah, the way the episode two ended. I know
a lot of people just like want them to finish the fucking story because of
where they left it. Yeah, there is that, But I feel like
so much of the like the mystique of that series is like what it did
in the time it came out, you know, for for that type of
game, and so much ground has been covered by other shooters since then.
Like yeah, when it comes like video game tech and shooter tech and stuff,
like I mean, the the like VR is the only like big major
change you know, is out there you can look at and go like,
well, this would be a thing if they could come up with invadid ways
to use that. Yeah, but even there, you got to get an
expensive new piece of hardware in people's hands for that to be useful. You
know, you know that's the perfect reason too. Yeah, I guess yeah,
because anything is going to sell if I've had an interest in VR catching
on, which they seem to maybe have that, you know, make Half
Live three a big VR game that would do it? Yeah. Sure,
if anything's gonna sell head sets, it's probably that. I'd Yeah, I
just I just wonder if they make if they make a really good story driven
Half Life game that wraps things up, but but like doesn't advance things in
big way, Like, is that going to be enough for people? I
don't think. I think that that the game is built up so much in
so many people's minds. Yeah, you know, story wise, it would
be very difficult to make good on on what people have built in their heads.
Sure, I mean it's what I built in my head. Is eventually
Gordon Freeman screaming out loud and as shattering the entire universe g man included none
of it ever really exists? Oh man, I would be all right.
He says one word, it's no just and then as he's shouting, the
crowbar shatters in his hands in the whole world, some kind of Saint Elsewhere
esque ending of just like none of it was real. It all happened in
the snow globe. Yeah, we'll see pulls out and he's in a padded
cell, right, and the che man looks in cut to black credits.
I mean it's you know, it's it's been way longer now since a Half
Life game come off, and it was between one and two, right,
it was six years. Yeah, so it's definitely been like a good couple
of years longer, at least, who knows. We will see my laptop.
I went to sleep, so I don't have another email quet up.
Somebody says something. I also played Doom this weekend. Doom, Doom,
Doom, Yeah, which one and all one on my PC. So I
had a we had Fantasy draft and I had and Google hang out and the
top Yeah, okay, I drafted two pink. Yeah, don't want to
get in on that draft. That sounds amazing. Top left corner my screen
was Google hang Out. The right side of my screen was the draft thing
like the flash, you know, you know, pick all your dudes and
whatever, and then the lower left was just doom because you know you have
to wait for people ever everyone in your league to pick, and then it
comes back to your turn and seeing me something to do in the meantime.
So I played in a window. What was the actual draft happening Fantasy football?
Yeah, Chris from nowhere that he identifies as a proposition. Maybe this
is why he didn't tell us where he lives. Hello Giant Brad at bombnet
dot cast. I offer you a unique opportunity. I will buy and ship
you a grip of psychotropic fun Guy on the condition that you consume them approximately
two hours before recording the podcast. I don't care what you end up talking
about. It will probably be entertaining regardless, let me know if you're okay
with this before I risk breaking federal laws. What do you guys think?
I think, as your supervisor, I'm really obligated to say don't do that.
I mean, I'm not leaving it up to myself. I'm putting it
to the group. That's a bad idea. Yeah, nope, no,
okay sounds like a resounding no. Sorry, Chris. I mean, you
know, HOKEM and Last Tinker play themselves. I read the frame rate and
Last Tinker gets real good. Brad doesn't need mushrooms to laugh at dumb shit.
That's true, That's very true. Okay. Andrew from Perth, Australia
has an email that I will summarize. He basically wants to know what our
regiment is for appearing on camera? Do you guys do you guys have a
makeup crew? I'll yeah, I know, yes, I'll just read an
excerpts. Do you guys have a makeup crew? We all have rough days
or weeks where our sexiness is not as on point as usual. Maybe you
do, but over years of giant bomb video content, you never look like
bad well, which is you know it also maybe kind of a backhanded comment,
but I mostly bring it up because like back in the day, we
totally did have makeup yea, yeah, wow, the spot we were all
wearing makeup, video reviews, all that stuff you had, everything had to
get your all your pat downs going on. I was wearing makeup like four
days a week at one point, it was horrible. Oh yeah. The
only time I've seen it in the industry is I used to go on all
those like cover story trips for Game Informer, and we always just shot a
ton of video content, Yeah, for like a month of content or whatever.
And the one studio, Epic, they were obsessive about like they had
a makeup person on staff, So we're gonna interview Cliff or Rod or someone's
bringing the makeup person, name, lights and everything. Just fucking kidne Cliff,
if you getting makeup put on everything? Yeah? And Rod, like
every time, I have no problem with like wearing makeup to be on camera
like whatever, it's it's but every like out of it. Yeah, the
dozens of studios I've gone to and everything, and all these like studio heads
and stuff, like no one has ever like requested it or certainly not had
like someone on staff, like Epic had someone ready for like Cliff or Rod
to pull up And yeah, sort of. It's sort of the weird thing
about I mean, you know, I think eventually, you know, you
had to stop wearing it because the cameras got good enough to where all you
saw was the makeup, you know, So when when we all went to
HD. You know, when the boom deal happened, the bottles HD cameras.
Then all of a sudden it was like, okay, well we need
HD makeup a finer grain that doesn't get picked up or whatever. And there
were like really expensive makeups that were but I mean it reaked havoc across like
the news industry because suddenly you had these like you know, older established men
and women in these newscaster roles that as all the broadcast shifted the HD,
all of a sudden, they didn't they looked, they looked their age and
and so it caused a lot of problems there. That's where the that's where
the cliche came from about like as HD came about, like you know,
certain newscasters or celebrities like having it written into their contract like you can't get
closer than ten feet with an HD camera or whatever. Yeah, and so
at that point, you know, it was pointless us to wear makeup anymore.
It just became like a and we were only wearing like powder. It
was just knocked down the shine. It wasn't like okay, let's do our
eyes and you know, it wasn't any of that bullshit well, it's not
bullshit, you know, it's tools for a reason. Yeah, did you
want it to do that? I didn't want any of it. I hated
it. I was fine with it, you know. It was just one
of those things where it's like, Okay, I don't know, this is
like, we're ostensibly a professional operation. We should do that stuff. So
Frank Adams should powder, we should put a bunch of crap on my face?
Was your makeup? All? Right? Oh? It felt so gross
though, whatever, man, Frank Adams touched your face every week, you
should be fucking No. That was fine. I don't have a problem with
that. Yeah, but it just it it felt weird as because it was.
It was especially because we had these like baby wipes that you were supposed
to get it off with, but it never really did the job. It's
like there was a residue on there for the rest of the day. It
was. It was a little I've only had to do it once and it
was when they scanned me in for La Nor and they had to paint my
hair. They put black paint in my hair and they had to shave my
beard because they didn't have beards in like nineteen whatever. But yeah, like
my hair was just filled with like glue and paint and it was like it
was like three hours. I want to stay in the makeup chair of them.
It's like going crazy with this stuff. And though you looked really I
looked at that article. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean those
guys were snappy. Look, they did a really good job with with all
the facial stuff in that game for sure. Yeah, but yeah, that's
it's paint and the as having all that shit all over you. Yeah,
you know, you don't want to look like a sweaty mess on camera,
and that's that's what the makeup was there for, is to make you look
less shiny and and just look a little more normal. You know, like
people are watching TV and things have changed. I mean back then, you
know, you didn't have the YouTube being what it was then, you know,
so we were looking at the stuff we were doing on game Spot and
looking at like television, going like, well it needs to be more like
this, and then YouTube blew up and you know, video logs and you
know, all floggers and like just the lowest production value possible. Yeah yeah,
and then everything just looked too real for real, and then it just
became like, oh, why did anyone spend money on building this elaborate studio.
No one fucking wants this ship anymore than want it raw. I remember
when we thought we were gonna have wardrobe. Yeah, I mean, well
we did that one fucking uh the uh whatever live show. We did the
big location shoot where everything got stolen Hirohic Glyphics played and empty Chris played.
We had wardrobe for that. Tim's wife at the time got us like them
the track suits and ship like me, Homer and Ryan and what was that
there was? It wasn't game. That was a game. No, it
wasn't going that was the that was game was Grandma's Boy. There were two
games, weren't there. No, the second one was called something else Players
Players Ball was the last one. I can't remember the middle one. Fuck,
I don't know whatever. Yeah, we had wardrobe for that. There
was like a like flirting with this idea of like, let's get a clothing
sponsor. But I just I remembered in the office there was for a while
people were like, all right, which one of these offices that we're going
to turn into like the wardrob room. Yeah, you know, I just
have it all the time. Well, you know it's now look at us,
Yeah, exactly now it's like the cut up pair of jean shorts that
I wore for the Game of the Year stuff is still sitting on that shelf
behind our desk. There was the wardrobe, yeah, with all the like
there's like a sombrero. And I think at some point, if you're gonna
make dumb videos on the internet, you need a prop's department. Yeah sure,
and it's a cardboard box full of garbage. Yeah. But yeah,
you know, no no makeup, no special, nothing for us these days.
But I think that's that's the expectations of change, and I think that's
totally normal. So even even though we spent money on cameras with fancy lenses
that look all sharp and stuff like, you know, they look how we
really look, it's kind of nice that the tech got to that point.
It's not off the ward you know, you don't forwear that shit anymore.
Now. I think the only time I wear makeup is if I'm doing well.
I don't know if it'll still be this way because I don't you know,
they changed owners or whatever. But like all the game trailers stuff,
like all all of Keeley's stuff, was all. They were all makeup shoots,
all the bonus rounds and all that stuff, and they had like you
know Union you know la makeup people doing that stuff. So they would do
full on here's some stuff on your eyes, I'm gonna put some shit in
your hair, I'm gonna do you know on those like with like three letter
acronyms after their name something like that. Yeah, they did it for real
because they weren't television. Yeah, they were still close enough to that stuff
that that it warranted that kind of treatment. All right, Uh, Tyler
has well, first of all, he's been going back and listening to all
of our old podcasts and he wants us to know that six years ago,
he's basically listening to them from the beginning at the same time we were recording
them. Does that make sense, Like just so like six years ago on
this week, Yeah, all right, he wants us to know. The
topics discussed were hemp milk, I remember that, remember the little hippie market
next to word of the Oh right, yeah, yeah, hemp milk come
out on your Solid five Halo four being produced by Gearbox Mortal Kombat. Like
none of this stuff existed or had been announced or anything. Yeah. Uh,
and of Diablo three. That gearbox stuff seemed like a sound rumor at
the time too. If I remember like that, there there was something to
that that made me believe it more than a typical rumor. I forget where
that information came in, but may kind of make sense because Bungee was getting
out of the Halo game version and a bunch of map backs. There was
something more to it than that. There was like some specific smoke on the
street saying like, no, they're in talks to do it. Maybe they
were. Maybe they were, so I actually wouldn't be surprised if they really
were. Somebody send us anonymous note anyway. He says on that note,
I have a question regarding the newest release of the console version of Diablo three.
I purchased the original three sixty release and was hoping it would release the
expansion as DLC on the marketplace, but cannot find information if it's existence or
the lack thereof. My question is should I buy the retail version. I
assume he means the Ultimate Evil Edition, which, yeah, they put it
on, but I want to say they put it out forty bucks, like
they put it out at a not full price, so they did I believe,
Okay, well that that softened I think that's how they tried to soften
it was that softens the blow of this email because he's saying, yeah,
should I buy that new retail version that has the expansion in there or hold
out for it to be released as download. I don't think they're releasing it
download. They definitely haven't given any indication that they're when they're either talking about
character transfers that go from that version to the upgraded to the to the full
version, so that that's that's the path there. It's you know, it's
kind of unfortunate because that last version only came out a year ago on consoles
and now here is a new version with all the new stuff in it.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's but at least they reduced the price a little
bit. But how much was that expansion when it came out on PC?
It's like forty bucks, wasn't they? Maybe you're right, I don't know
that the price disparities. Yeah, maybe if you're looking at it that way
this month, But I could be wrong about it being forty bucks. It
could be fifty could Yeah, it could be thirty I don't know, but
yeah, it doesn't. You know, they've given no indication that that's going
to come out as a download. So I guess if you want that new
stuff, just go get that new version. That seems like the option.
All right, Dan, Yeah, saddle up. Okay, it's time for
this week's weekly. Asked Dan about blank email a theme song for this at
this point. Seriously, this seems kind of self explanatory, but to refresh
Dan's memory, one time he was so drunk he pissed on a stack of
gifts he bought for his father. Please favor us with a sort of tail.
Oh boy, this is one of my least proud moments. So I
was home over Christmas break with my girlfriend at the time, Eva, and
we were crashing my dad's place. And whenever I go out with my dad,
me and him just get blindingly drunk shitty karaoke bars. So we went
to the Red Balloon, which is the karaoke bar and Shawny, Kansas that
my mom and dad met at. Wow. Yep, so it was my
favorite bar once I turned twenty one. So yeah, we went there all
time, got trashed, just totally trashed, and I drink a choice.
He's a jack jack and coke guy, order shitty beer kind of the same
as me. So we go back. I'm like black out and drunk and
I fall asleep on the fold out couch. And my dad is not a
big tech guy at all, So basically all of his DVDs and all of
his games and anything he has are who were bought over the years by me
as gifts. This included resume beal four for the Wii, Mario Kart on
the Wii, a Johnny Carson DVD box set, I think an SNL DVD
of some sort, and since he doesn't really have a big media collection,
he just kind of put him on the floor next to his TV. So
that night I passed out drunk as hell. I wake up and Aba,
my girlfriend at the times says, do you remember peeing last night? And
I said no, what are you talking about? And she goes, you
just got up in the middle of the night and walked over and you thought
the wall was the toilet and you just started peeing and you had a lot
of peace. And I was like, no, there's no way. You
must you must have dreamed that. I don't do that. What are you
talking about? And she goes, no, I didn't know what to do
because I could tell you were peeing a lot, and it woke me up,
like your stream of pea hitting something. And she said all she could
do is she started yelling at me, like Dan, stop peeing, and
I would turn around and be like, what what are you talking around?
I'm on the bathroom, like I thought. I was like, this is
not something I would have done in any conscious way. I thought I was
in the bathroom, and she said she just kept yelling stop peeing, and
I said, no, you clearly dreamt this like this, and that's absurd.
I would never do such a thing. And so I walk over there,
and so it was super obvious. There's a big peace thing on the
wall right next to like inches away from the power socket, like three three
inches, like a big cascade of pea obviously went down right next to the
power socket. But it seems like ground zero was the stack of gifts I'd
got him, which we cases for Mario Kart and RESIDEV. The stuff are
fine, but the Johnny Carson DVD box set had a cardboard case which was
almost disintegrated. You're in his very acidic you know, Yeah, yeah,
and there there was a lot. I drank a lot that night, and
I think at the time, I'm thinking like, oh my god, how
do I say this to my dad? What do I What do I do?
And he was sitting out front, because this first thing he does every
morning is he goes out front his pajama pants and funk cigarette and plays words
with friends. And so he's out there and I'm just like, oh shit,
I have to tell him. I can't just not tell him. I
mean, I'll replace it, I'll clean it or whatever. So like I'm
like cleaning it up, like and like pulling out like the liner, and
it's like, oh, just everything's just covering, like just the whole floor
and Wallard's covering p carpeted. That's not going away his carpet. Oh,
no, carpet. I go out there. I sit down on the step
next to my dad and I was like, Dad, I got something I
gotta tell you. And he immediately senses because we never get like I have
serious talks or anything. It's like, but I had like a grave tone
to my voice, feel like I gotta tell you Something's like, what what
happened? What happen? And it's like, I guess at some point and
evidence points of this being true. Aba tells me that I got up in
the middle of the night and I peed all over your stack of DVDs in
games and he's like, no, you didn't. And I was like,
yeah, I just checked and I definitely did. He's like, no,
no, you didn't. And like he has this great defense mechanism too.
If he doesn't understand something, or if he doesn't like something, he can
convince himself that it doesn't exist or it didn't happen. It's called denial.
Yeah. Yeah, Like remember the first time I showed him Hulu and I
was like, yeah, I don't have cable. I just watch all the
I watched Daily Show on the internet. He's like, you can't do that.
I was like, well, yeah, watch, I'll que it up
and I'm like pull up an episode of the Daily Show and I'm watching the
whole episode. You can't do that. That doesn't you can't do that.
And so like in his brain, Hulu doesn't exist, and like that's if
it's just too much for him to process. It's like, no, no,
that's not a thing that happens. You can't do it. So that
was his thing. He's like, Dan, I need you to just go
in there, do whatever you can to clean it up. And I'm gonna
sit out here and I'm gonna get my brain to figure out, like the
convince it that it never happened. It never happened. It's like okay,
okay, so yeah, I think in his brain that that never happened.
Okay, So but I cleaned it up real good, offered to replace everything.
So but in Paul Record's brain, that did not happen. Huh,
what do you do? Like did you call carpet cleaning service? I mean,
it was like I drink so much. It's probably mostly water, I
guess. I mean, like you know, when you drink so much,
it's just like straight clear or whatever. And like, man, and if
it was a kind of pea that I had to piece so bad that I
woke up and had to go man that, yeah it was. It was
bad news for those DVDs and especially mister Carson. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
On that note, Yeah, I know people that have done that.
And of course this is gonna sound like it's me but it's not. But
definitely I definitely know people who have done that. Yeah, there have been
three occasions in my life, and all that are oh, you're a serial
offender. Huh? Just three? I mean these are spread out like one
was in the dorms in college, one was that like two thousand nine in
my dad's place, and one was like four months ago. But to be
fair, can I briefly tell the one from four months ago? Please?
Okay? Surely it was probably more frequent than that, because I was having
kind of my round of going away type parties and stuff in Minnesota, and
so Tim Tory, who was on UPF he visited here not too long ago.
He was crashing on my couch and I was super confused because, yeah,
it was one of those parties where I was going away, you know,
last for I get real drunk or whatever. And I woke up because
I had a big ass L shaped couch and he was on the long end
of it. And I woke up and my underpants on the other side of
it. And that's weird because like, I sleep my underpants usually, but
I'm always in my own goddamn bad especially when I got company over running around
in my underpants. And I asked him the next day at a game four,
I was like, what was going on. Why would I Why did
I wake up? And my underpants on the couch, and he's like Dan.
Last thing I remember seeing of you was you went into your room,
fully clothed everything, and you just passed out. I just heard you fall
in the bed fall asleep. I woke up at seven o'clock in the morning.
You were in your underpants up on your sink, like up my like
I wasn't on the floor. I was like perched up holding the cabinets above
the sink with my knees like in the sink, peeing into the sink,
and like my bathroom and that's farther from my bedroom than my bathroom whatever,
And I had dishes in the sink. Why the fuck am I paying in
my own sink? The funk am I doing? Because you can because you're
leaving, And fuck it, I'm peeing on my own dishes that I'm bringing
with me. Like that was disgusting. People you wash your dishes. You
said you hated to wash the dishes. I don't know, so that proves
me. It's just obviously an unconscious thing where it's like I don't want to
pee in my sink on my dishes, So that was number three. That
was the last time. Oh boy, M I had a friend in college
who was staying with his girlfriend and had a similar situation and walked into her
roommate's room in the middle of the night and just started peeing on her bed
with her in it. I can't remember if she was there or not,
Okay, I do remember that he really didn't like her fair enough. I
remember I used to go to the Boys and Girls Club at every day in
the summer for a couple of years there. My mom would drop me off
there and I would hang out and play defender, and you know, it
was just like a bunch of hoodlum kids and you know, their pool table
and basketball and just a bunch of bullshit. Remember one day, me and
this other kid got in our heads that we were gonna make another kid drink
pea. So we went and bought a Country Time lemonade out of the vending
machine, drank about half of it, filled it back up, oh,
and then tried to like get a pen or a coat hanger some way to
like close the top on it again so it wouldn't be obvious that we had
opened it. Did you drink p Yeah? Jesus christ. It's a good
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All right, Well, thank you. Yeah. And on that note,
I guess that's gonna do it for the podcast. I'm still a little bit
disturbed. I'm gonna go wash my hands right. No, I didn't do
anything. I just feel like I need to wash. I feel like I
just feel like it's vague aroma of p It's sterile in this studio in staid
you could drink it. I'm gonna go home and wash my everything. Thanks
for listening. We'll be back next week. What sorry, ed fire,
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