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Hello everybody, and welcome back to
That's Not Metal and welcome back to the

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Big Review Rhymes and all. We
are, of course, your weekly rock

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and heavy metal podcast. As the
title they're just sort of suggested, we

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are here today talk through some of
the most interesting, most high profile,

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maybe most slightly going under the radar
as well records that are coming your way

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over you know, these kind of
a few weeks in the middle of July

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that we are looking at right here, and we have some other to talk

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about as well. So thank you
being here. My name is Parenhiesh.

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Sam Dignon is here. Elliott Paisley
is also back here on the podcast.

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I think the last time you were
here when we were like finishing up the

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Sepultura Special like a month ago.
So hello, what you been up to?

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Mainly grilling is Oh? Is it
big barbecue Summer? Oh? I've

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gotten so into it, which I
do wonder color some of the reviews.

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But if my music tastes seems irre, irregulably different from now, it's because

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most off is done. Most of
stuff I listened to now is with the

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barbecue grill. So if I suddenly
start liking you know less than Jake.

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That's that's why. Yeah, you
were the ultimate grill master and I guess

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you know I'm My mind jumps to
like some of the couple like end of

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the show here reviews, we're doing
not optimum barbecue music. Maybe a barbecue

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in your underwear to see Queen who
Knows. I was a couple of shows

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over the last week. I went
to see Grave Miasthma, which, let

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me tell you talking about not optimum
barber key music. Gravemy Asthma, who

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are one of the most kind of
you know, influential underground death metal bands

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from about sort of ten years ago. They were doing a set where they

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were playing like their first couple of
EPs and first album only, but it

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was in the weirdest venue, which
is Satan's Hollow in Manchester, which is

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not only a string sort of in
the round venue because it's just a stage

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in the middle of a club floor, but also because it is like a

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club. They don't seem to be
able to change the lights from like Rainbow

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Rave Mode watching Grave of Asthma,
do that not the correct atmosphere for very

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deathly death metal. Then a couple
nights ago I went to see Alkaline trio,

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which was very very nice. Indeed, they came out, you know,

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they were wearing their wearing their nice
suits. It was way too hot,

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as most things currently are. And
is it atom the dun Willard.

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Yeah, he was wearing like a
like a black shirt with like a red

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tie on, very you know,
kind of American idiot three cheers coded.

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But let me tell you that black
shirt was absolutely slick. By about like

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the quarter mark of the set.
It was gross in there. But Alcal

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and Tria we were very good,
open with hot for preacher with that what

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and then straight into We've had enough. So that was fucking cool. Turns

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out like because I'd never seen Alklentrier
before comes out weiber like because that's the

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kind of the thing with them now
as a live band. I was going

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to mention that he sounded good to
me, and you know, I've not

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heard any complaints on this particular run, but he sounded good. And you

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know, I looked back at like
a video I took and I was like,

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yeah, he sounds pretty solid there, So you know, maybe he's

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in a kind of better period right
now. I think seems to be going

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well for them there. Well,
because I saw like twice, like like

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you in a bit ago a couple
months apart, or like two years ago.

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Now good times weird, but and
one time he was great, in

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the next time it was awful.
So I just think it is just like

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what extent the tories out or something, but that that's the kind of the

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make up break froma now like yeah, no he was he was fine and

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the show was good. It turns
out like that quite a few of what

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I would consider to be the best
Alkali in Tria songs are not necessarily staples

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that you would see every time.
So like I said, you know,

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they opened really really well, but
when looking at the songs they they didn't

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play, it's like this could be
love wasn't in there, which is one

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of my absolute favorites, the Poison, uh, this addiction nothing actually,

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like I was gonna say Blackbird,
but nothing off of this thing is this

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than Cursed, which I thought was
like, you know, they had quite

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fair fair off the new album,
and then everything else was like Crimson or

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older. Actually I think they played
one from Agone and Irony but you know,

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kind of two thousands or or older. So yeah, quite a few

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songs I would really like to see
them play. But this sounded good.

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They were they were, you know, as said Skiboard, was in you

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know, good, good spirits slick. They also like they had a cool

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stoner rock band playing supporting them,
this band called slow Mosa, And I

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quite enjoyed, you know, going
to a punk show as sensibly, but

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seeing like a full on like you
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up. I know they're they were
enjoyable as well. So yeah, that

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was that was nice. More of
that behavior, Yeah, and that was

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where I was today. We are
talking about new music, new album reviews,

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and what we have got for you
on this particular plate. Really you

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know who says we can't be you
know, dynamic or cover every corner you

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imagine. We are going to talking
about Scene, Queen, Speed, Speed,

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Cross Faith, two hundred, Stab
Wounds, ulcer Rate, Crypt Sermon,

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and Blind Girls. We're just going
to fly through a little bit of

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news up top, most of which
are album announcements. I guess I'll get

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those out of the way first to
kind of you know, blitz through them.

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Unto others have announced their new album. They've obviously released two singles prior

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already as every band seems to do
now. But their new album is gonna

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be called Never Never Land. It's
going to be out on September twentieth,

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which is about four days and three
years away from to the day when they

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released the last one, and it's
going to be out on Century Media because

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of course the road run I deal
didn't you know last for whatever reason.

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What's's going on there? But good
stuff there on the deluxe edition. I

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can see that there is a recorded
version finally of the awesome pet Cemetery cover

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of the ramone that they often do
live, and I hope that that means

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we get recorded versions of every cover
that they do live, so they do

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Cold Sweat and all the other stuff
that's out there. But yeah, that's

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coming soon. The Smashing Pumpkins can't
stop release an albums. I god knows

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how fucking you know many of those
atom records we got out there, and

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how much of it people actually kind
of tuned in to listen to. I

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can't remember when the last one of
those came out, because it feels like

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it was just a constant, you
know, never ending stream of them exactly.

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But they've announced a new record,
which is you know, I guess

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the follow up to the collective Atom
Records. This one's only ten tracks long.

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Wow, thank god. I love
the Smashing Pumpkins. But we need

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to send a Negotia into the studio
or something, just like, Billy,

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give me the gun. It's okay, everything's okay, because this is just

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like what is it? The fifth
No So Sea was a double album,

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was a triple album, and then
this one I think that's inside. Is

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that six albums in three years.
Billy, you've got a wrestling promotion to

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run. Focus on that for a
bit absolute buckethead behavior going on there.

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But the new one is called a
Gory Maury May that is going to be

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out on August the second, and
apparently it's a bit more of like a

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rock old school looking back to some
of their kind of, you know,

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nineties material for inspiration. So either
it's going to be a like hoot and

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holler and return to what everybody loves
about the Smash and Pumpkins, or it

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will be very very depressing, indeed, but they can't stop. And there

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it comes look into some more upcoming
bands back again, Chat Pile. I've

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got their new album come out,
which is called Cool World. That's coming

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out on October the eleventh. I
guess, you know, it's two years

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from the last one. It feels, you know, as a normal level

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of time, but it does feel
like, damn, they're coming back,

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like you know, hit Striking while
the eye is hot, Chap Pile are

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still you know, kind of on
the you know, the edge of people's

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tongues a lot of time and Drug
Church. I've also got a new album

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which has also come out in October, and that's called Prude. Right,

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the Big Rocks story, I guess
it's one that, like, in a

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weird way, I'm kind of loath
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you know, kind of draw down
the sides on, because it's a whole

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fucking thing unto itself. I don't
know if anybody saw someone tried to kill

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Donald Trump or recently crazy thing to
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seeing I think it was long Legs
or something when it happened. Then I

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came out and I was like,
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happened right there. Tenacious D is
where we are going for this, because

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they were on tour in Australia as
this happened. Kyle Gass, the other

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member of Tanisous who is not the
Hollywood movie star, made a joke on

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stage that the guy you tried to
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And then immediately afterwards, particularly the
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you know circle whatever, kicked up
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prompting Jack Black to essentially, from
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Tenacious D on hold. The tour
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all creative plans whatever have been you
know, indefinitely halted. And man,

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obviously this is so connected to stuff
that's way, way bigger than fucking Tenacious

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D. Of all bounds, Taos
D are not the important part of this

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story. It's just the part that
relates it to us in some way,

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I suppose. So, I mean, people have been you know, up

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in arms about this. People have
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I was about Carl Gass's comments in
the first place. Then loads and loads

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people currently seem to be really really
angry at Jack Black over like you know,

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throwing his friend under the bus.
Whatever, how we gonna interpret it,

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I think ultimately you you can't wish
murder on a no matter how much

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you don't like the guy, and
god knows we don't like Donald Trump at

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the best of times. But you
can't publicly wish murder on someone when you

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in a celebrity space. Do it
in your own time, I don't care,

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right, but when you are like
on stage, you can't do that

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and not expect to face some kind
of repercussions. And Jack Black is again

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a very entrenched Hollywood actor who probably
has some kind of damage control there to

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deal with. So I'm not i
don't have a stake in it. I'm

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not shocked that it happened this way. I don't think it's fucking mental that

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after everything that we've said about TENACIOUSD
over the years, the thing that might

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finally have seen Tenacious D tumble down
and be vanquished from the download second stage

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forever maybe is that someone tried to
kill Donald Trump. Who the fuck had

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that on their bing go card?
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preparing to sort of like having to
process Tenacious be Tenacious D being these shocking

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provocateurs who are like causing one of
that for and then we'll be like before

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I could even get around to like
processing that they were done. I was

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like, oh, cool, jack
Back is spineless, Like fine, Like,

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I mean, I've just thought the
whole the action has been in because

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the people who are the most avage
of this are the same people who will

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say, like, you can't make
a joke about anything, comedy's dead,

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counts calorture, blah blah blah blah
blah. They are that crowd who are

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the ones who are now trying to
be like how dare they? And like,

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was the joke in bad taste?
Yeah? Sure, but like if

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you if you want to argue that, like you can make all your racist,

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homophobic transfer jokes all the time,
and then you want to get like

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your panties in a bunch because one
of the Tenacious d made a joke about

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Trump getting shot, then you're a
stupid hypocrite. But yeah, just people

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went mental over this and I was
like, I don't really want to get

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involved. It's weird because well I
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I was sat in the pub and
I just got a text from one of

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my friends in America saying I think
Trump's been shot, And we were sat

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there and it was that kind of
you're in that weird zone with the world

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could be completely different tomorrow in seventy
two hours, who knows what's going to

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happen. And Tenacious D disbanding was
not one of the first things. Yeah,

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came to mind. And you made
that brilliant meme of like the guy

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tipping over the dominoes, and it
was like the Democratic Convention or republic convention

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whatever, dot dot dot Tenacious D
disband It's like, how did that events

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occur? And I just the thing
is, yeah, I mean, we've

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all agreed it's a dumb thing to
say. And Kyle Gas he's not even

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tried to defend it, Like,
thing is I kind of I do sympathize

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to an extent because he's on stage
at a kind of comedy show and he's

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being expected to improvise a joke,
and it's like it at the very least

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it wouldn't bomb like people might ooh
and boo. But that's that's at least

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something. I think. The thing
that gets me about this is people pretending

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it's not a joke. Like like
you said, it's bad timed, it's

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in poor taste. It's kind of
icky thing to say. But seeing like

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you said, the sort of Australian
pundit media pretending that he wasn't joking when

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it is Kyle Gas of Tenacious D
blowing out the candles on a cake,

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yeah, held by a robot.
And then it's like it's like it's fucking

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like it's Salmon Rushty or Sam Harris
or something delivering a speech at a university.

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It's like, come on, let's
not let's not be wilfully ignorant about

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what he said. Like you can
criticize what he said and if you think

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it's something that shouldn't be joked about
ever or whatever, you know, fair

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enough, But to pretend that it
was serious is that that feels kind of

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delivered almost almost don't believe that you're
that sort. I don't believe that culture

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war bullshit. Isn't it like it's
just smoking that side of things? Like

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yeah, I don't want to I'm
not really interested in, like, you

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know, trying to pass judgment on, you know, whether the joke should

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be whether Kyle gashould be you know, kicked at tenaious D or whatever,

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like that's for people with far more
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I am simply marveling as I said
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become, you know, one of
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Arena playing rock bands for the past
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that they've been around. This of
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in the meantime, seems to be
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I just like, if it was
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it happened before they won Mastered onto
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is the time that it happens anyone
else winning a Grammy. I checked out

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their spotify because I liked what was
Tenacious D's swan song? And it's the

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Kung Fu Panda the four version of
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that comes out. Oh, I
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that band? Oh the guitar player
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Oh I see right, Okay,
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isn't it. That's like the perfect
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happen. Yeah, rip, maybe
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just ride out for a few months. But yeah, the latest instance of

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well that happened in rock news,
and I think what is potentially very interesting

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for people is the Gathlight Anthem have
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from last ye history Books, which
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it's it's the fixed mix version,
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I know what you're about to say, and actually think it's it's I can

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see what they're saying. So but
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which many people Gas Anthems and you
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did kind of complain about the mixing
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of the material. They have said
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mix was made with the vinyl in
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how it sounded on vinyl, But
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on digital streaming services wasn't really what
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there so that you know, they're
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not not needed. But they've put
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sort of digital version, and you
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been listening to that album for you
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did. I briefly did a little
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like, you know it did you
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on Spotify did sound like, you
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of unmixed demos than the original versiment
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would be songs like Positive Charge,
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sound a bit more driven. You
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piano and synth touches on some of
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lost in the original mix. So
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mean, I've listened to that album
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still listen a bit fairly regularly on
vinyl. I have the vinyl that I

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do like listening to. But there
is like a noticeable defension. I don't

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like it doesn't like if you didn't
like the album, this is probably won't

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change your mind drastically, but I
can see how, yeah, the new

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mix would be a bit more like
for people who just want to hear an

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album that sounds like an album and
not a like forty year old vinyl dug

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out from your nansatic like like that's
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makes it easier for people to like, you know, yeah kind of to

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again to grab onto those songs or
whatever. So if you did bounce off

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of you know, and you were
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student of the Vinyl whatever he bounced
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last year, I would you know, say go and listen to you know,

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the new version of maybe you will
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So that just leaves what we're mainly
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little plug for the Patreon, which
the last thing that we have did I

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mean, you know, mentioned it
early with Elliott rejoining us here. The

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sepulcher A Special is still going down
a treat amongst the Patroon supporters, which

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we're very very grateful for, huge, huge undertaking of it. Yeah,

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but you know, if you are
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the artistic heights that they reached,
the places they went to, there is

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so much you know, Sepultury gal
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Patreon. The latest thing that we
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sam Is. We did a little
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on the Quiet Place series, which
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was on our schedule for basically years. I was like, eventually we gonna

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have to do that. It was
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only do me and you have some
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also like the internet conversation around it
at large felt quite daunting for some reason,

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because, like I said on the
show, they're like not offensive,

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like you know, particularly intellectual movies, but it's there. But I think

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we did a very good crack at
talking through that stuff. I mean,

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I established so much I hate children
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ill people. So if you want
to hear the context for that, and

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you know, not cancel us for
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that is over there, and I
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the next few days, we should
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which we will, as you know
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the show, We'll go up there
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shortly after that. So that's what's
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July tends to be the kind slowest
month for big releases, So the big

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kind of mainstream rock or metal talking
point came just at the end of June.

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They're kicking us off this time seeing
Queen and a selection of words.

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I didn't anticipate saying on this show, but here we are hot singles in

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your area. Where do we start
with this one? Yeah? Like,

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we are absolutely the target audience we're
talking about Scene Queen. Aren't we really

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really digging into her album fully?
Scene Queen is an artist whose name started

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being bounded about a couple of years
ago. Primarily her first major releases were

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the Bimbo Core Volumes one and two
EPs, which came out in twenty twenty

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two. Three. Yeah, and
Sam, you were the first person to

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mention her on this podcast in a
you know, brief little you know,

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flighty capacity. So for anyone who
is a bit like, who is this

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Scene Queen person? All of a
sudden, who is of everywhere? Now?

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Can you explain who she is and
what the vibe around her emergence was?

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I mean, I guess like,
so she's like a solo artist,

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She's part of the sort of the
TikTok kind of like aut pop wherever you

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want the sort of thing you can
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she is doing Naughty's mainstream metalcore mixed
with Oh No Sorry twenty Ten's i'd say,

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like mainstream metal corep mixed with like
early naughties pop music like the whole

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like imagine Britney Spears, Cross of
Arsking. Alexandria is like the sort of

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like the kind of initial picture I
guess you sort of like some up the

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sound of what Seeing Queen is doing. It is very tongue in cheek.

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It is very kind of like feminine
rage, kind of like bubbling over and

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all of it. It's very sort
of aware of its sexuality. So like

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there is a lot of kind of
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to Seeing Queen and how she is
going about what she's doing. Yeah,

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and you know, I think you
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you and you and Mark were making
on T and M were in a

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kind of fun way, you know, like here's this new artist doing this

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kind of slightly provocative tongue in cheek
fusion of on the surface and quite daft

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styles of music. It's very it's
kind of knowingly obnoxious in a lot of

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ways. The last twelve months though, I've really kind of put her into

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overdrive. And now, like I
said, it does seem like she is

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kind of everywhere in like the rock
and metal press, you know, prominent

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positions on festival bills, whatever,
And you know, very much after the

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likes of course of you know,
bad Omen, Sleep Token, etc.

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She's not at that level of selling
tickets or anything left yet, but she

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is one of the real kind of
breakout alternative stars, I suppose, of

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the kind of current moment. Prior
to you know this, this album coming

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out, I was quite content to
sort of just not engage with it very

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heavily, just kind of have a
chuckle here or there as it crossed my

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path. I thought the song eighteen
plus, which came out well over a

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year before the Sexual album, that
was funny, wasn't it. It was

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a like slyly funny takedown of predatory
behavior in the alternative scene, you know,

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specific bands alleged to be targeted in
it. But you know, it's

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very catchy as well, which kind
of helped put its point across more.

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I think that's a song that everyone
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pretty on the money song, which, whether you like the music or not,

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kind of warrants its existence. And
that is about the extent I cared

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about seeing Queen like, here's a
slyly funny track here or there wrapped up

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in this like very garish confrontration confrontational
aesthetic. Now she has been positioned as

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such a central part of the kind
of current metal zeitgeist. Though, and

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we have a full length debut album
to here to to talk about. It's

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crunch time, you know, it's
time to actually judge how good the art

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is. And uh, that seems
to be dangerous business. I'm a little

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tentative about because for some reason,
the internet discourse around doing so it can

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be tetchy territory. There are dug
in their trenches, like yeah, there

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are tons of terms flying around this
to do with gatekeeping and things like that.

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But nonetheless, you know, here
we are walking in front of those

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cannons, and I'm sure most of
you listening understand that anything that we say

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is in like, you know,
it's in good faith, and it's purely

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about reviewing an album on the merits
of the music I have. Like I

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said, I primarily observed Seeing Queen
from Afar as this like big character now

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purely talking about the music in front
of me, I think this is one

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of the worst albums that we will
review this year. I don't feel that

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strongly about it. But as the
sort of the initial Seeing Queen supporter of

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the podcast, I do think this
album is a miss like coming in and

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swing big for Seeing Queen. Well, I mean, I wondered Sam,

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how far you would manage the case
for the defense on this, because I

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will defend songs on this album,
but I think as a whole I found

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there were more problems than I was
hoping I would find. When you're going

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through this album, Yeah, it'scause
I know there's a bit of a sort

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of turn your brain off fun factor
to it, and again like I know

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that like maybe things around the you
know, the the content, and again

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the kind of personality of it.
I could see you really chining with.

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But also considering some of the criticisms
you've made around bands like Electric call Boy

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in the past, Boy, does
this album you know, show itself in

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a lot of those regards. Elliott, I couldn't wait to hear what you

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thought about the music. Got this
O God, I just I feel like

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we seeing Queen. I almost don't
know how to I don't know how to

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describe what I think of it,
because it kind of feels like the goalposts

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keep moving in a way with I
get you, yeah, where it's like

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I kind of got, oh,
dumb fun. You know, it's sort

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of like you know, Olympuscuit,
Hollywood, dared Attilla, you know,

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kind of we're rocking out in that
way. It's like, no, it's

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a revelatory, subversive socio political statement. Oh oh, okay, Well I

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don't really I don't think she hits
the mark that well, oh, it's

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just dumb fun. It's like,
I don't. It kind of feels often

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like a bit of a trap,
and I think that's a shame because I

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like that she's doing something genuinely different
in a space where I thought there were

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non ideas, you know, that
kind of metalcore thing. That stuff is

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so gray and lukewarm at the moment, it's it's actually kind of refreshing to

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have something so obnoxious. And I
mean, I think stupid, but listen,

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I'm I'm not apprude. Okay,
I don't think this is just quite

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beyond the pale or anything like that, but a lot of it just kind

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of sounds like, like you say, sort of feminine rage lonely island,

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and that doesn't sell that well to
me, I'm afraid. Yeah. So

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the whole thing about the scene Queen
is obviously it's like unashamedly hot pink music,

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right like she as a performer represents
this like unabashed loud femininity. That's

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what the whole bimbo core thing is. It's a lot of reclaiming the kind

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of you know, the airhead,
blonde bimbo thing that was projected onto a

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lot of women, particularly in that
time of the early two thousands, when

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she's drawing on a lot of those
you know of y two K reference points,

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and the songs are you know,
unabashedly hyper sexual. That's the way

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she wants to take her content.
And you know cis Man speaks here,

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cool, I get that it's obviously
not meant to lift me up or empower

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me in a specific way, you
know, acknowledged in a perverse kind of

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way. It's not unlike say the
Falter Camera album, which we reviewed recently,

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which is this black metal record all
about this like idea of like the

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sexually dominant woman, and how that
figure can you know, come for or

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terrify the conservative establishment that they are
a musical yin and yang of a similar,

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you know, kind of thematic concept. Well, I mean my defense

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of like that side of sing Poeen
is it comes entirely on the sort of

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the metal core period she's drawing from, which is like say that late noughties

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early twenty tens metal core is some
of the most misogynistic music you'll hear in

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a lot of cases, Like those
bands were just like horrid in their lyrics

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towards women. And like I'm not
like I'm not goton. I didn't like

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law of that music at the time, Like I I can't. I liked

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you know, Amure in twenty ten, fine whatever, Like, but like

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I can also look back and go
like, yeah, man, those songs

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are dodgy as fuck. And so
I like the idea of women kind of

406
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:14,359
like completely inversing that and like singing
about her own promiscurity, like her own

407
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,440
kind of just enjoyment of sex all
that sort of stuff. And I think

408
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,759
that is a really fine inversion of
the really horrid shit that was kind of

409
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,400
plaguing a lot of Melk at the
time. And again and also the kind

410
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,799
of like violence towards men, which
again is again in an inversion of like

411
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,160
a lot of death corps and stuff
like that. So totally find all that

412
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,559
stuff. I think, like I
welcome that, and like I think it's

413
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:41,480
my problem is it's just it's a
lot of the execution across these songs.

414
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,279
Is there are ideas I really like
something, There are songs I think are

415
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:49,000
great that like, I don't dislike
this album like entirely. I don't want

416
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,839
to give it a kicking. I
just think good ideas and things I want

417
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,839
to get behind and raally and again
it's really queer in a lot of places.

418
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,759
I'm all, I'm totally like here
for that. I want to live

419
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:06,039
with artists. But the execution just
like shoots itself in the foot over and

420
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:07,599
over again. Yeah, like what
you're saying about the kind of sort of

421
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,039
you know, reclamation of that kind
of era and attitude or whatever. Yeah,

422
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:18,079
I appreciate that, And I don't
think it's my place really to kind

423
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,039
of make a critical comment on like
whether it is you know that is side

424
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,680
is particularly well done or not.
My criticisms of this album are all on

425
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,960
the grounds of songwriting, news,
and musicianship and production, which for something

426
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,480
being pushed as like part of where
the genre of metal is going, are

427
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,319
staggeringly low. You get eighteen plus
early on, which, as I said,

428
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:41,559
I think is a very funny song, right get the Children off your

429
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,640
bus from there? My got this
thirty six minutes. To me, it

430
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:52,920
feels like a Belwitch album. It
is unrelenting. It's again my problem with

431
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,039
this comes in there. It's like
there's fifteen songs here, like I've this,

432
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,880
and again a lot of the songs
are only like two minutes long because

433
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240
there is so many songs and they're
all just kind of like these kind of

434
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440
big garage kind of like ideas I
would. I was like, you could

435
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,039
cut five of these tracks and actually
just focus on taking the ten sort of

436
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,480
best idea you had here and actually
fleshing out, Like eighteen plus is the

437
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,720
only song here that feels like a
like properly fleshed out, fought out song

438
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,160
and not just kind of like two
minutes of ideas kind of slapped on there.

439
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,359
I think there's I can't believe I'm
want to be the one who sounds

440
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,799
like they're defending this record out of
us three. But like for me,

441
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,799
in the first half of this record, there are a couple of songs where

442
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,440
it's like, Okay, that's a
fun idea, Like there's a premise which

443
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,599
is unique to that song which I
realized, like yeah, Pink Push Up

444
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,400
Bra that's kind of got this like
big new metal bounce, and that's kind

445
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,160
of just like here, you know, we're gonna have this one sort of

446
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,920
heavy chance sort of song that just
is not doing much else, but it's

447
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,359
like big, kind of like just
crowd pleasing, stir up pit up live

448
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,759
sort of track, and I think
that works. Yeah, and it's it's

449
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:02,359
got a clear concept for that specific
song that it follows through. On eighteen

450
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,359
plus, obviously we've discussed that same
thing, like there's a very clear comment

451
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,000
it wants to make, and I
think it does so successfully. Mutual masturbation,

452
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,640
I think like that is it's not
a particularly serious idea, but it's

453
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,519
a fun one, like a song
about just about it. And the more

454
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,599
vocally sort of cutting ones that did
make me did make me laugh actually,

455
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,160
like yeah, he's in a local
band hook Like that really made me laugh.

456
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,279
That was for me, the most
entertaining bit on the whole record.

457
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:29,160
And just a song about making fun
of guys who good guys and bands who

458
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240
like hype each other up backstage.
That's like, I've not heard a song

459
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,559
about that before. That's quite a
fun idea for me. It's sort of

460
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:41,559
beyond that song. It kind of
nose dives into the same kind of song

461
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,039
over and over again, and that's
when it gets exhausting. Like the sound

462
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,839
of the record being so garish is
kind of tiring anyway, But past track

463
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,519
four or five, it's like we're
not even getting new ideas here, We're

464
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,400
just it really does just feel like
because I've seen people say, oh,

465
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:02,720
it's like Steel Panther but for feminists. So it's not that that's Steel Panther

466
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,640
could fucking play their instruments, and
Steel Panther had riffs right, and like

467
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,079
it's all done with this like again
obnoxious genre mash up thing. But the

468
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:12,119
metal part of the equation. And
I would say, from you know,

469
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:17,000
moments one is like the minimum effort
side of it. I mean, I'm

470
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,480
a bit unsure as to what the
writing process for this is because see Queen

471
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,880
is like, you know, the
front woman, the character, and she

472
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640
has a band and she plays what
live with? Who is the kind of

473
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,759
behind the you know, the production
of this record, the riff writing,

474
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,079
etc. I'm not aware of the
information. I don't know who writes what.

475
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,920
The metal at all times, though, is just slop like it is

476
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,519
essentially novelty, low guttural, brutal
breakdown that is used to just sort of

477
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,599
like, you know, gracelessly bring
out maximum garish. Contrast with like the

478
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,640
pop or hip hop elements. Even
eighteen plus, which is very, very

479
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:52,240
catchy and is definitely the best written
structured song on the record, is obviously

480
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,519
this like brick Wall, the blown
out thing in the production in a style

481
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,519
of a lot of you know what
would be you know, the kind of

482
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:01,319
contemporary olt pop whatever, where a
lot of it sounds like this kind of

483
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,880
like ugly overproduced, like remembrance of
what two thousands old pop sounded like that

484
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,799
rather than the real thing that's kind
of everywhere now. On that song,

485
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,079
she ironically goes, you know,
if you want to be famous, then

486
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,599
write a bit of hook and then
the album from there is just full of

487
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,440
the most like bare bones, minimum
elegance songwriting, just plopping things next to

488
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,039
each other. The hip hop stuff
like Whips and Chains is like stock plug

489
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,519
in hip hop beat, where she's
hardly a lyrical miracle over the top of

490
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:34,519
it, and then at the the
end of a barely two minute song eventually

491
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,559
slapping a like shit nothing metal drop. And that's just very illustrative of the

492
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:44,200
problem. I think, you know, this record feels like to me the

493
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,559
logical product of an environment where we
have commented many times, putting a zero

494
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,559
zero zero regurgitated metal riff onto something
unrelated and not even very good in the

495
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,160
lane that's moved into is considered some
kind of high genre experimentation. The guitar

496
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,119
riffs on this make a mur you
mentioned sound adept like it's fucking mental,

497
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,839
how brain dead this is. And
the thing is is like I think that

498
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,279
side of things is a step back
from what was on those first two EPs,

499
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:14,440
Like I think there was a better
kind of like because it was trying

500
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,279
to do less. It was kind
of just like here is just the pop

501
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:21,319
and here is the metalcore. Like
she wasn't doing nearly as much with the

502
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,359
rapping and all these other kind of
like different genre blending ideas that she kind

503
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,640
of throws out here. So it
was a bit more, it was more

504
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,839
focused. It was like his kind
of bubblegum like noise pop melodies over pretty

505
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,839
stock basic metal corep but on those
EPs when it was kind of like a

506
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,440
new kind of arts coming up,
but you could kind of look past that's

507
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,000
kind of like, well, this
is the formation of an idea, and

508
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,359
it was still giving us better hooks
than ultimately what we're getting on this album.

509
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,640
That's the thing is, I think
the songwriting feels like it's taken a

510
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,960
step back when it's trying to do
it across fifteen songs. I mean,

511
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,440
the songs are so static. You
mentioned Pink Push up Bra, which I

512
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,000
guess, you know, if you're
judging purely on like the quality of the

513
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,720
hook I probably is probably on the
you know, upper tracks on the record,

514
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:05,440
but it's it's a complete one idea
song. It's like, and it's

515
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,960
for me this record everything is so
right there on the surface, this sort

516
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,360
of lack of dynamism and that is
the whole thing. And the songs are

517
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,760
so static all the way through,
and you know, the hip hop stuff

518
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,760
where she tries to rap just like, clearly no one outside of this specific

519
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,159
alternative music corn that this has been
marketed to would take that element remotely seriously.

520
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,039
Like it's low quality, there's no
getting around it. And when you

521
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,159
have that glue to the actual metal
part, which is the part we should

522
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,000
all be familiar with, that is
also very low quality. I just look

523
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,719
at this and I go, what's
the point? No, I agree.

524
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,960
I think the other problem is like
structurally the songs are so disjointed, where

525
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,639
again it like I kin't youally feel
that so many these songs are just written

526
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,800
with the get your thirty second TikTok
out of this part, because there's so

527
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,079
many times where it just kind of
stops and then the next part the shift

528
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:57,400
happens into into something else, and
there's no kind of like there's nothing to

529
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,679
kind of like actually gel these ideas
together properly. It's rap part pot bit

530
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,840
breakdown, like and that's the thing
that's where I think there is the songwriting

531
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,519
and the quality of the and the
elements just doesn't sit together in a way

532
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,360
that is like that they none of
it compliments each other. And then in

533
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:21,360
isolation, it's not the strongest of
like what it should be. I think

534
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:24,320
there's all kind of points to what
my major letdown with this record is.

535
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,679
And I didn't go in with super
high expectations because you know, I think

536
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,480
a couple of songs off the EPs
of fun or whatever. But I thought,

537
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,800
if see Queen's going to do a
record, we could actually explore this

538
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,960
character. If it is a character, I don't know how much of it

539
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,039
is a persona or what have you, And you know, you could add

540
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:42,679
more dimensions to it. You could, you could say a lot more.

541
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,440
There'd be a lot more room for
the kind of social commentary aspect that people

542
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,599
really seem to proclaim seeing Queen four. But the feeling I got was for

543
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,159
the first few songs, you go, oh, yeah, this style of

544
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,480
music is stupid, and then by
the end it's like, well, maybe

545
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:59,239
just see Queen's just stupid. Like
I kind of I didn't come away with

546
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:05,079
any sort of like larger impression of
this character or a person or as making

547
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,159
a point. They kind of make
a decent point at the beginning and then

548
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:14,559
kind of spend the next eight to
ten songs walking it back. Yeah.

549
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,400
I mean, you know, even
at the end it tries to do kind

550
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,519
of you know, some some serious
emotional stuff on that closing track, and

551
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,440
it sonically it just comes out of
nowhere because while Oboly, I'm sure that's

552
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,599
a you know, part of what
she's exploring with this, you know this,

553
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,519
this, this project, the song, like the sonic construction of the

554
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:39,519
pieces is so flimsy and so two
dimensional that like hard shifting into that zone

555
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:44,039
feels like a weird kind of you
know, jump, And they're not not

556
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:45,880
even original idea of what a genre
blend half the time, Like I swear

557
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,280
I have heard that Black Skinhead rip
on pav done like several times over by

558
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480
other bands, and the song from
there does nothing. It's like one shitty

559
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:58,159
idea. It rise the whole way
through and it ends up landing stretched as

560
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:01,760
a song at one minute and fifty
six seconds. I'm just I'm so drastically

561
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,920
unimpressed with the music, Like there's
no level of quality troll control at all.

562
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,239
Certainly, you know, I guess
is what you were saying about kind

563
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,159
of how your impression was not an
artist who needs to exist for more than

564
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,679
like a four song EP at a
time, like because fifteen tracks of this

565
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,960
raises the curtain very quickly on how
empty of ideas it is musically, I

566
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,199
mean, like you know, as
we'll get to in a while, Girls

567
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Gone Wild wasn't even the best song
featuring Wargasm on an album released that day,

568
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,519
like one of the universe, you
know, lining up in that regard

569
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:39,559
that the smashing together of stuff is
just so graceless, like you'd think Wargasm

570
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:44,000
and Scene Queen like again irrelevant of
quote, that would feel like quite a

571
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,840
natural kind of like meeting of ice
in a similar sort area coming together.

572
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,480
And that song outside of the chorus, there is nothing in that song I

573
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
can remember as soon as are they
the dangerous dangerous? That bit the only

574
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,599
thing in that song that has stuck
me. I can't anything how it goes

575
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,360
and just feel was like again,
just a real wasted like idea of a

576
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,079
clib action that probably would get a
certain type of person not us very excited.

577
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,760
Yeah, just this record is the
most I have felt, you know,

578
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,599
from a certainly a you know,
kind of large, slightly pushed artist.

579
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,360
The thing of the style shifts,
feeling like they've literally pressed a button

580
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,039
on a computer to shift over to
the other bit, you know, the

581
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,599
kind of Naughty's old ballad elements in
the title track, and the way the

582
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:31,039
metal then crashes through the wall is
so predictable and so clearly not part of

583
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:36,360
the same world or room. But
just you know, here we go switch

584
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,119
to the other one, and that
contrast is just the entire point of the

585
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,280
song. And again, not either
element on their own is anything. That's

586
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,360
the song where the album kind of
like where it kind of clocked me where

587
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,639
it wasn't working. Was it was
like, because it began, you had

588
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:51,599
that kind of like Avrilavne opening kind
of person I was, I was like,

589
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:52,559
cool, okay, this is something
different, see this fim. But

590
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:58,840
then it just totally elegantly shifts to
something completely different, and I was,

591
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,440
well, I was like, ah, so like yeah, this is where

592
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,039
I was like the ideas that are
just you can't see an ided for and

593
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,320
you've kind of got fall back onto
the same breakdown, same kind of like

594
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,480
like hip hop beat it that you've
just got attack on all that sort of

595
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:19,119
stuff, and it was just a
bit of like a no real cohesion between

596
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:20,880
these parts. Yeah. Well,
I mean, I'll tell you when I

597
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,960
had that realization, and again I
was open to whatever would be on the

598
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:29,159
record, but I started to get
those feelings last year when I don't blame

599
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,639
people for forgetting this because I wasn't
expecting to pick up this thread more than

600
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:37,239
six months later, but the point
where I was like, okay, I

601
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000
think I know what I think of
this scene queen thing. Some of you

602
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:44,360
may remember on the T and M
Awards last year, I was shortlisting the

603
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,960
candidates for Worst Song of the Year
and there was one that I mentioned being

604
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,199
released as a single that was coming
out the following year, and I was

605
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,480
like, I'll put a pin in
that and save it, Like I said,

606
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,280
here we are. It was milf
from this because that song being released

607
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,960
as a single was where it clicked
for me. I was like, okay,

608
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,000
I get the joke, but this
is a joke song, right,

609
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,760
And the joke there is I've got
a metal riff and I've got a country

610
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,599
chorus, and I've put them together. And when that song was released,

611
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,159
the talk was like, oh,
these are the two most like highly gate

612
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,320
kept genres, So it wouldn't it
be funny if I riled up the maximum

613
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,800
amount of people by gracelessly jamming the
two of them together like that. And

614
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,719
that's all well and good, but
what are we actually doing here, you

615
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,880
know, like, and I don't
mean Singe queen, I mean us as

616
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,039
you know, the kind of a
heavy music community. What are we doing

617
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,199
because like, as listeners of heavy
music, we have to have some standards,

618
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,239
right, like yeah it is you
know, yeah, like this is

619
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,039
the lead off single for one of
the bigger like alternative debut albums of the

620
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:42,400
year, and it's a Jared Olonge
novelty YouTube video. Gee, you know,

621
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,119
nobody blending metalcore with another genre that
like is bad. We never seen

622
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:50,239
people hyping that up before. Yeah, I mean it was done with a

623
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,239
lot lot more tact and a lot
lot more care there, which is wait,

624
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,599
this is ship that's all this is. This is shit post. So

625
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,840
like I would Milk is an Electric
Collboy song. It's where they've done the

626
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,159
country Electric Callboys song. Sure,
Like it's the level as Electric Boy,

627
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,639
the level of production and playing quality
in the fusion of country and metal there,

628
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,199
particularly the metal side, where it
is like the most completely stock air

629
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:21,360
dropped in stodge of that, Like
look, how ott this beatdown is riffing?

630
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,159
You actively feel like the song awkwardly
pick itself up and plunk itself over

631
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,679
here at the second it switches mode. It's so poorly inelegantly done, and

632
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,320
again my alarm bells are my fear
here was This is the obvious natural result

633
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,599
of an era when the standard of
like actual heavy metal playing has been allowed

634
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:46,599
to drop so low, like you
know, for from emphasis on the metalcore

635
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:52,719
beat down as the primary source of
like heavy and therefore also quality to the

636
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,599
you know, kind of pro tooled
production. When that becomes the norm,

637
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,320
you're gonna let the dregs like this
be it accepted as the norm. And

638
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,559
if this was just the silly way
like throwaway song from musician who otherwise had

639
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,559
a lot of substance, that'd be
one thing. But the rest of the

640
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,920
album is barely any better than it. It's just this like inelegant lack of

641
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,519
craft again and again. The next
song, the very next song, is

642
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,760
Amateur, which is like arguably even
worse. It's just the you know,

643
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,880
cute see ideas for a song with
very simplistic concepts. This meets this smash

644
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,119
them together with that either of them
being cared for a big joke of like

645
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:30,079
what if we took olt pop and
brutal breakdowns and slammed them together? And

646
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:31,159
if you want a ship post where
your lead single like, fine, have

647
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,119
that it, but you can't what
Eli was saying about the Goldpost, you

648
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,239
can't also expect to be taken that
seriously when you're shit posting with your lead

649
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,679
single. This is this is part
of it for me because I think the

650
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,280
metal community and ununderstandably I mean not
to generalize on that level maybe, but

651
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,800
there's a large wing of it where
being a gatekeeper is so unfashionable. You

652
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,239
know. It's like to the point
where bands trip over themselves to tell you

653
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,039
that they like Mumford and Sons and
Lana Delray, you know. I mean

654
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,840
like there is a large contingent to
that, and the kind of irony of

655
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,519
it is that something like milf gets
a pass because there were enough people who

656
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,159
aren't gatekeepers in mel do you know
what I mean. It's like if you

657
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,320
show it to a country music fan
and you went, but yeah, I

658
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,679
bet you hate this, they go, yes, they wouldn't go, oh,

659
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:16,239
well, you know, maybe it's
trying to make a point and you

660
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,360
know, I should kind of take
on its own merits. I'm not want

661
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,079
to judge. It's like, well, if that's the case, and scene

662
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,800
Queen like whether it's good or bad
means nothing because we don't feel equipped to

663
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,599
judge it. And like you say, once you get to amateur finger hot

664
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,159
singles in your area and whatever,
it's like those songs are so dumb and

665
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:38,440
that's fine, but I you're not
gonna find me saying it's brave subversive for

666
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,320
being that dumb. The one thing
is going back to whips is if you

667
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,320
were to play that to a hip
hop fan, they would laugh at you.

668
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,480
Yeah, And that's where I think
the problem comes to this album is

669
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,400
like we are like tune what so
like like eager to not be gapers that

670
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,000
they want all of these genre blending
arts. They want every artist to mix

671
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:01,360
everything together without actually like, okay, are you doing hip hop? Well?

672
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,400
Is the the electronic stuff the country
wherever you're blending with the metal,

673
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,719
like even ignoying the metal being like
low tier because there's so much of that

674
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:15,000
shit now that I'm like, I've
come to just kind of accept like basic

675
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,599
zero metal core things mixed with something
is you know, what's it? But

676
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,800
I with these advis look at the
the genres they're bringing in now and kind

677
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,559
of judge on that and be like, could you put this in front of

678
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,159
a fan of that genre and expect
to be taken seriously. And most cases

679
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:35,239
on this scene record, I think, with a few decent pop choruses,

680
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,480
all of the other kind of like
deviation and stuff and genres are where this

681
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:43,639
would kind of get laughed out the
building. Yeah. Well, the most

682
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,400
apt comparison that I could think of
there in terms of how this sounds is

683
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,360
is it's Millionaires. It is.
I mean, stuff is full on like

684
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,679
Crunk or Revival with I don't know
who barely Human is, but that like

685
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:58,639
when they're coming, I was like, have they just got Jeffrey Star sounderlike

686
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,480
of like oh nine neon crunk course
shit. Yeah, and like I'm I'm

687
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,840
alright with Millionaires I don't know having
existed because it's just like bad daft music,

688
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,639
you know, Like they were these
girls at the height of Crunk Corps,

689
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,599
which was, as you say,
a very largely misogynist state era,

690
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,840
and they did this like aggressively caricaturist
party girl version about just like loving money

691
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,480
and alcohol and whatever your opinion is
on what millionaires I know did for the

692
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:27,760
cause of feminism, right, like
that they were out there doing that at

693
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,079
that time. And they were a
laugh. Right, I can take that,

694
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:36,679
but no one actually says millionaires were
like producers of great art and here

695
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,440
we are doing it again. But
somehow that's well, the narrative has become

696
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:45,320
like if you took millionaires, updated
the metal for the dregs of twenty twenty

697
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,400
four, and you made the material
more socially conscious rather than the kind of

698
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,199
over actually made me like scene queens. It was the like millionaires but kind

699
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,639
of aware and trying to kind of
like have a bit more to say.

700
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,960
And I was like, that's actually
to me, that was actually quite a

701
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,639
fun pitch and that's what was the
kind of the selling thing for me.

702
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,880
Yeah, And in terms of the
content, I'm not saying that that is

703
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:12,000
a bad idea, but as a
record, that's the level of what's going

704
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,280
on here. And again, even
the mentional song as you mentioned, like

705
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Mutual Masturbation or PEG or whatever,
it's music where there's like a clever idea

706
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:21,960
of like a metaphor that can be
used as a takedown or something, and

707
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,559
it is match to music that is
just you know, just absolute bottom of

708
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,480
the barrel. You know. She's
obviously she's a big performer and that's what

709
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:32,280
it is live. But you know
what, if Crunk Call was woke tied

710
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,960
to the clunkiest, least imaginative genre
mix you've ever heard, I'm not sure

711
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,360
that is a great idea for an
album that doesn't immediately paint itself into a

712
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,880
creative chorder through how blatant the creative
gimmick is. I just think this whole

713
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,159
thing of you know, at least
she's aware and this, that and the

714
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,079
other. I think the whole thing
of them being self aware. I understand

715
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,920
why that can be a defense for
some of the stuff of this record,

716
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,880
but it actually kind of lowers your
for some of the other criticism you might

717
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,480
face, because I mean, you
just mentioned it with that song peg,

718
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,559
which I honestly think and I'm not
trying to do the whole like, oh,

719
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,920
if if it was a man doing
it, people wouldn't like it.

720
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:14,119
But I think there is stuff on
there where it's like I can understand someone

721
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,760
taking issue with it, like asking
Alexandra to song with a similar premise,

722
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,760
well like wanting to see someone degraded
or whatever. I'm not sure people would

723
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,159
think it was cool. And it's
like, if you're self aware, if

724
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,000
you're not self aware and it's just
dumb fun. Then you go, Okay,

725
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,079
well they're an idiot and they've made
a dumb song. If you are

726
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,519
self aware and you're trying to make
a comment, well you've kind of left

727
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,800
yourself open for criticism. I think. I mean, for me, that's

728
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,599
one where I kind of get it. It's all about playing the character and

729
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:44,320
doing the inversion of the shit that
was done for so long. But I

730
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,039
kind of see where you're coming from. From me, I was kind of

731
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,559
like, when's that past? I
was like, there was so many years

732
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:52,480
of yeah, this ship being sung
that, Like if someone wants to for

733
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,760
one album kind of go, we're
gonna flip the script and you're gonna have

734
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,599
to listen to me talk about like
degrading men for it. Yeah, yes,

735
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,440
I get I can fully get behind
that. But I think it's a

736
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,719
bit that runs its course very quickly. All the things I'm not saying like

737
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,840
oh, you know, you shouldn't
do a song like this, or or

738
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,039
the ethics or anything like that,
I honestly I don't care. Like I'm

739
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:17,400
not offended by it or upset by
it or horrified in any way. The

740
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:23,119
thing is, it's like if you're
gonna make yourself a sort of or present

741
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,079
yourself in some way of kind of
like an aware not I don't even know

742
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:28,000
if spokesperson is the world, but
like, if you're trying to make a

743
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,159
comment, it kind of has to
be fully thought through, and I'm not

744
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:35,920
sure it is. I think after
this I will go back to like simply

745
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:37,960
not carry or engaging with See Queen
all that much in the way that I

746
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,719
don't with millionaires, right, because
it's it's not for me, and people

747
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,840
will, you know, people will
tell me it's it's not for me.

748
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,719
And you know, her being out
there spreading these messages, you know,

749
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,440
empowering people, that's what she does
with people. That's fine, right,

750
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,679
you know she can go and do
that, but just talking on a critical

751
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:59,920
capacity as a piece of music that
has been served up to us, we

752
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:04,920
have to have higher standards than this
for the artists that we collectively really champion

753
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,039
and lift up in our genre,
or they will feed us slop. And

754
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,599
that is what I think is kind
of the bottom line of how I view

755
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:15,119
it. And I mean I was
willing and ready to champion sin Queine and

756
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:20,000
now I'm kind of like more hesitant
because I do think in terms of like

757
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,679
what she was doing on those EPs
is kind of like a promising first step.

758
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,599
There hasn't been an evolution from that. I think in many ways,

759
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:30,400
I think this album is a step
back from those first two EPs and that

760
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,920
that's where again it just it's as
simple as that you saw first two proof

761
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,480
of concept EPs being more well realized
and willful out then your daily four length,

762
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,519
that something's gone wrong there. You
might need to actually reevaluate. And

763
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,199
again, like I want to like
Scen Queen, but I'm not going to

764
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,280
give this This is one of those
alms where I'm going to like give it

765
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,599
a pass for the things it so
blatantly gets wrong. Yeah, I just

766
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,199
I mean kind of mentioned them earlier. But to draw the Steel Panther comparison

767
00:49:55,199 --> 00:50:00,320
again, I kind of feel like
the feel of Steel thing where they ailed

768
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,760
all the archetypes, you know,
they made all the points they were going

769
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,960
to make, if you want to
even call them points that they you know,

770
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:08,679
all the satire was kind of realized
on that record, and then by

771
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,480
the time they got to balls Out
and everything afterwards that you're just you're kind

772
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,599
of just a crude glam mel band. I kind of feel like that's already

773
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,559
happening to Scene Queen, where it's
like all the good points and interesting stuff

774
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,719
is in the first four songs on
this record and on the songs she's put

775
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,519
out on past releases. By the
end of this you are kind of at

776
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:37,039
lower the bar level Steel Panther,
which isn't great. Basically, Scene Queen

777
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:43,480
needs to do a lingeric nota and
transcend to a different artistic project where that

778
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:47,159
Scene Queen and Hot singles in your
area if you choose to accept them.

779
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:52,079
Right next up, I suppose I'm
probably the longest you know, piece of

780
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,760
discussion of any of these reviews.
But our next kind of high profile one

781
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,840
is I get in and out fairly
quickly, speedily. In fact, you

782
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:06,360
can say it is Speed and only
one mode. It's another debut album this

783
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,559
time, but again there has been
quite a lot of hype around Speed.

784
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,480
We saw them Outbreak Festival last year
and they were pretty popular, but certainly

785
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,599
in the years since then and in
the runs album, things have gone further

786
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:20,960
to the point where this is probably
the most anticipated like hardcore debut album of

787
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,840
the year. They're on Flat Spot
Records, which along with the likes of

788
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:29,079
Scowl and Zulu have kind of put
together a sort of crew who are collectively

789
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,000
like the buzzy everybody wants to be
seen to be liking it thing in hardcore

790
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,280
right now? Is that right?
Sam? Yeah, I would say that's

791
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,840
fair that. Like, I think
particularly Speed have been the one to really

792
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,639
like take center stage on that sort
of thing. But Flat Spot is one

793
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:46,119
of the labels to be seen on. Yeah, Speed are the Australian contingent

794
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:51,480
of that particular crew. There's a
lot of like branding and sloganeering going on.

795
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,639
Gang called Speed. The cover art
for this album. It presents them

796
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,599
looking a lot more like the cover
of sort of Straight out of Compton or

797
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,920
Grave Diggers six feet Deep or something
like very clear Sydney gang mentality branded on

798
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,880
everything they do, and that has
been perpetuated so far that I think most

799
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,519
people who are like, you know, sort of vaguely aware of Speed probably

800
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,920
have heard of those things because people
spout them at them, but without maybe

801
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,039
actually knowing what they what they sound
like. How anticipated on a like you

802
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:20,679
know, what is it on a
musical level that has made Speed kind of

803
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:27,320
exciting to people's sound. I the
thing is it's just straight up hardcore,

804
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:31,840
just done really well. Like I
can't explain it to me the close comparison

805
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,079
I could point to make that the
close comparison I can made. This is

806
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,760
going back to twenty twelve when Trapped
under Ice dropped Biggest good Night, and

807
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,840
it was just and it was just
a strap hardcore album, but it was

808
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,800
one that just captured the new wave
of hardcore fans myself included coming into hardcore

809
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,679
at that time. Hardcore's going for
a boom. You had this one band

810
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,280
who dropped this one album that everyone's
gonna goes, Yo, that's my hardcore

811
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,320
album. Speed feels like the sort
of the new wave of kids who've come

812
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,159
into hardcore post COVID. You know, in twenty four Speed have dropped this

813
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,480
and everyone's gone, Yo, that's
my hardcore album. Yeah. I think

814
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,320
that's a very very apt comparison.
Record is just shy of twenty four minutes

815
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,559
long, which is nice going for
a hardcore record. I you know,

816
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,119
I didn't really have any musical expectations
for this because, like I said,

817
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,599
we saw an outbreak. I thought, you amongst some very sterling hardcore band,

818
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,679
they were one of the more sort
of rudimentary ones. Yeah, I

819
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,920
mean I thought they were of the
sort of more rudimentary hardcore bands. They

820
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,519
were the one that probably stood out
the most of the newer crop, like

821
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,400
a very high energy, but you
know, musically, I was like,

822
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,840
you know, I'm waiting into something
a little bit more remarkable here, you

823
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,639
know, compared to obviously Scowl or
Zulu with their immediate peers, they have

824
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,800
a little bit more going on.
I wasn't really sure what their theme musically

825
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,079
was that was going to stick them
out. In the build up to this,

826
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,639
we had a few extra elements rear
their head. I guess the immediately

827
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,800
viral flute breakdown. This was an
answer to my question of what the Speed

828
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,480
thing is. I didn't see that
coming. I must say, no,

829
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,039
that that was the one I like, of all the hardcore bands to drop

830
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,920
a flute breakdown. Speed were not
the one you would you would have paid

831
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,119
because they were the ones who were
like just the most kind of straight up,

832
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,559
no nonsense, like old school hardcore. Yeah, and the first track

833
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:07,280
on this Real life love starts with
I guess might be a digital doo or

834
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,320
something. It's like you've turned on
a documentary about the Australian outback or something.

835
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,920
It just goes like Samurai movies when
I hear that like opening, Yeah,

836
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,320
like very like that sort of thing. But yeah, like there are

837
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,039
definitely like I don't want to say, like world, but there's a little

838
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,280
bit of feeling of that just kind
of like whatever sounds can we just sprinkle

839
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,559
on too distrub hardre thing just to
add some texture and that that's kind of

840
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,519
been what Speeds thing has done here. Like yeah, and it's I guess

841
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,719
a very sort of you know,
you know, classic you know, sort

842
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,719
of new at hardcore or something by
way of Australia that kind of time.

843
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:43,599
I think this is decent fun,
if rarely anything revolutionary or exceptionally high quality.

844
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,440
I think in a in a landscape
where hardcore bands can get very very

845
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,079
buzzy, indeed seemingly off just being
you know, like decent hardcore bands,

846
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,599
this is perfectly suited and happy with
being that, if a bit more par

847
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,199
for the course than again several of
us out there. But yeah, it

848
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,679
hits what it does. Yeah,
I don't discive anything you said that.

849
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,119
I just love this because it just
hits that spot for me. Like I'm

850
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,880
not gonna like come out and say
that this is a game changeing for hardcore.

851
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:15,000
But like when those beatdowns hit,
like every time they shout speed,

852
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,199
like when they end the first song
going gangled speed and then immediately start the

853
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,119
second song going speed don't need I'm
like, yeah, fucking this is it,

854
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,679
like all of that sort of stuff. When they like spell out speed

855
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:30,159
at one point before shang speed again, like all those dumb I look at

856
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:35,679
it and I go, how much
like branding over I don't know, I'm

857
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:37,960
not trying to be aggressive here,
but how much branding over quality it is

858
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,039
happening here? But also I like
those bits. They're funny, so it's

859
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,440
a kind of two sides of a
coin I would have give you. But

860
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,199
like they said that, there is
there is nothing here beyond those like odd

861
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:52,679
little touches. But at the same
time, that breakdown at the end of

862
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,639
the first test, like is so
good, even before you get to the

863
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,760
flute bit, Like that breakdown just
makes you want to, like fully just

864
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,920
be stomping across that stage. And
it's not just got blue, it's got

865
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,599
like DJ scratches in there as well, like it fucking rocks. But otherwise

866
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:12,719
there's nothing else here I can say
is revolutionary or new, but because I

867
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,880
like hardcore and it's hearing hardcore and
it is like the hardcore as really much

868
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:19,760
is done to a really high standard. I think like they've got riffs,

869
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,880
they've got character, all of the
gang vocal chants, everything. It kind

870
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,760
of just burst out the speakers to
you. It makes me feel good this

871
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:32,159
album. I I agree with all
of that, but I don't think they've

872
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,440
really got the songs yet. Personally, Yeah, that's what I think,

873
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,639
like because again comparing it to be
Kids good Night, that song that album

874
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:44,119
for me that's got Pleased to Meet
You, and that's got like actual hardcore

875
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,599
hit songs on there, I do
agree this is this has not quite got

876
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,719
that yet. But there's still really
good stuff on this for me. Oh

877
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,840
yeah, no for sure. And
listen, I've kept half an eye on

878
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,480
Speed, but to be honest with
every hype hardcore band, I now keep

879
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,679
at arm's length until someone I really
like, until I kind of give it

880
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,199
a go, because how many times
have we been told like this band are

881
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,400
the best new thing in hardcore.
You listen to and it's you know,

882
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,239
it's a good hardcore band, but
it's not that well and Speed have absolutely

883
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,320
everything down perfect, like the drip
is turn out of ten. I love

884
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,599
the album cover that a band called
Speed like it's just perfect and I get

885
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:21,800
the name of an album only one
mode. It kind of sets it all

886
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,880
up very nicely. And all the
stuff was saying about you know, they've

887
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,119
got didgeridoo's and like some of the
kind of percussion they throw in at different

888
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:32,719
points. It's like if I was
in a hardcore band, this is probably

889
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:35,599
the kind of thing that I'd want
to make. Me and my mates just

890
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,280
go get a rain maker on it, get that fish with the scrapey put

891
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,719
out on the record, and the
thought that you know, on a different

892
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,599
continent someone will be coming on going
yes, but I don't nothing. What

893
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:46,599
the songs down right? If you
think I'm having a good time, I

894
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:49,559
don't give a fuck what you think. I've got a fishing with a crapey

895
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:53,239
bit. What do you get.
I listened to this and listen, the

896
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,719
barbecue was going okay, it was
perfectly set up. This is a chicken

897
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,800
sim of music. To me,
is like, yeah, the chicken thighs

898
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,320
one the grill, we had the
long green beans. It was they had

899
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,840
a leg up when it came to
me enjoying this record, and I enjoyed

900
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,440
it while it's on and I've listened
to it about half a dozen times it

901
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,280
but I don't really remember much of
it except for the really eccentric stuff.

902
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,360
Almost all of it has kind of
disappeared for me. Yeah, I agree,

903
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,719
I think, you know, the
riffing is just very purely in that,

904
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,199
you know, it's not grotesquely heavy, hard or anything, but just

905
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,800
music to silly walk, to throw
some fists around. They're like hate breed,

906
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,039
They're like mad ball. They probably
like trapped on their ice. It's

907
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:34,719
good fun, you know, it's
got that kind of boisterousness. I do

908
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,559
like the little extra touches of No
Love but for our Own has like you

909
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:42,800
know, again it's big stompy stuff. But then there's that chorus with the

910
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,679
bizarre sort of affected yeah quiet.
I don't know if there's a there's a

911
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Kesher single that's out at the moment
where she's got this weird like choir thing

912
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,519
and it sounds like that. It's
got like cow bells clanging in the back

913
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:54,440
as well, and I think with
that stuff you can tell there's like a

914
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,480
there's a kind of a quirky humor
to it, which is very endearing because

915
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,119
it's not as like Matcho Bravado serious
face on, like you know, with

916
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:07,199
their kind of aesthetic. It could
go that way, but instead it's gone,

917
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,760
you know, almost like Jerry Valance
and Bray or something that kind of

918
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:14,039
you know, like very you know, having a good time thing. And

919
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:17,239
I think that also the fact that
that stuff is sort of sprinkled over the

920
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:22,559
record rather than just having the one
really random Jarry inclusion on the flute track.

921
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,360
It is fully there. And you
know, I like those moments.

922
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,360
I like the dive bomb in real
life love that's good. I do like

923
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,639
the opening seconds of a Don't need
the Spirit, don't need just yapped out

924
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,400
before moving in there. That stuff
is fun. I think when it comes

925
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,960
down to it for me, is
I agree that the hardcore is it's it's

926
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:43,119
perfectly well done. It's not very
memorable, and I do like a bit

927
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:45,760
more in my hardcore songwriting in that
regard. I think the riffs are largely

928
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,800
interchangeable. There's quite a few songs
that I feel quite stop start like that

929
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,679
even where they transition, it feels
like they's don't build up a particular center

930
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:55,039
momentum. It's like a collection of
moments. There are quite a number of

931
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:59,159
bits where I actually thought another track
was starting, only to realize it was

932
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:04,039
like an extra bit on the end
of a previous one. And it feels

933
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:07,440
like a collection of rifts for him
to shout speed over more than it does

934
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:08,840
a collection of song which I totally
agree that, you know, the Big

935
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,400
Kiss good Night thing, that's one
of the comparable records, Big Kiss.

936
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,360
That's the the separating factor is you
know a record like that has those like

937
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:20,719
genuine anthems that you want to fucking
you know, be on stage and shout

938
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,480
those words to. This is a
collection of risks to jump about to and

939
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,199
occasionally someone goes speed and occasionally there's
like a digit redo. Yeah No,

940
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,039
I think those I having those all
totally valid criticisms, like and I think

941
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:36,119
this is one that maybe isn't gonna
have the longevity of some of the other

942
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:38,920
albums that I really like, But
I can't deny that for the twenty four

943
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,559
minutes this is on, I do
not have a bad feeling in my body

944
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:46,320
when it's fair that hits. It
is like totally just like not to those

945
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,559
old tubes have fun, but it
is just like I don't need to bread

946
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,079
because I'm like engaged with the music
and having a good time. But it's

947
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,599
just it's just doing the thing I
like, and it's like of a good

948
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,119
enough quality that I can go like, yeah, yeah, this is this

949
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,199
is this is rocking. Yeah.
I mean, I'm glad Baron that you

950
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:07,159
mentioned that some of the sections felt
a bit tacked together, because that's something

951
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:09,440
I've kind of notices with a lot
of hype particle bands, is you can

952
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,599
sometimes swap parts in and out for
one another and it doesn't feel like they

953
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,599
build to a crescendo. I think
we reviewed the Not Loose record recently.

954
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:20,000
We're all really positive about it.
One of the things that I wasn't so

955
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,480
sure about it was the fact,
if I it was all built around the

956
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,280
beatdowns. But at least it was
like you would move, You could feel

957
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,719
yourself moving towards a beat down,
even if you knew it was coming with

958
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,239
then payoff, Whereas it kind of
feels like, I maybe I've got the

959
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:37,199
timeline wrong, but it feels like
since Turnstile, where they've got these really

960
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,920
off the wall song structures and stuff. A lot of the bands coming up,

961
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:45,960
they sometimes just throw on riffs that
don't quite match the tonal you meant

962
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,960
with the song, and I think, like live, that's super exciting because

963
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
you just go from brilliant rift to
brilliant riff. Whereas stood at the barbecue,

964
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,039
it's it's not kind of I don't
know, it doesn't hang together so

965
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:04,440
naturally. Yeah, there's not quite
the conducive sense of kind of inner track

966
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,239
momentum, like you know, send
them to Sydney. The main riff goes

967
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:12,519
pretty hard, barely lets itself be
a full song. It's like a riff

968
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,639
and then a joke at the end
of him to go speeded at the end.

969
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,599
I think I'm filing them next to
someone like Pain a Truth right now,

970
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:22,280
where I like their vibe. I'm
hoping their songs get a bit more

971
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,760
memorable. Obviously, speed are again
like the kind of kind of funny,

972
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,960
goofy version compared to Pain the Truth, like you know, New York violence,

973
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:32,519
like shove a gun in your mouth
thing. So the wider hype,

974
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:36,320
I don't know, is it particularly
justified right now? It feels more a

975
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,760
symptom of like how highly platformed hardcore
as as a whole right now. You

976
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,639
know, musically it's pretty bare bones
and it happens to have a few let's

977
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:47,280
do a silly one in it.
But it's pretty playful and it's competent.

978
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,519
I agree that, you know,
it's at the very least it's likable.

979
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,880
Yeah, No, I mean that's
that they seem likable. The the vibes

980
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,639
and the energy they can really well
on. The music is just a good

981
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:01,880
time. Yeah. So that is
only one mode the deiut album from Speed

982
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,880
right, we're gonna rattle through.
I guess we're gonna jump over into our

983
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,920
slightly more metal sections here, although
this first one has got a whole lot

984
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,519
of fucking simps and rave drops and
everything else that you might not like in

985
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:19,840
your metal. But is Cross Faith
and their record arc the return of the

986
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,239
Japanese electronic core if you still want
to use that word masters. This is

987
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,280
their first full length album since Ex
Machina in twenty eighteen. I believe that's

988
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,920
correct. It comes hot on the
heels of our recent album Club we did

989
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,199
on the Zion EP, which you
can find over on the That's Not Metal

990
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:38,800
Patreon, wherein we were revisiting the
year of twenty twelve, and when bands

991
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:45,119
like Cross Faith we're doing that like
heavily yeager themed apparently SYNTHI, keyboard,

992
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,559
drum and bass, etc. Infused
metal core, and I guess that,

993
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,679
you know, obviously leading us transitioning
us into this, we were sort of

994
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:55,920
pondering what place that class of bands
has in the kind of modern landscape.

995
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,559
Yeah, I mean moved to all
that obviously that is so of that era,

996
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:04,320
and then how do those bands do
they adapt? Do they find a

997
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,920
place in the sort of the modern
world. I mean, I think it's

998
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,920
no sugar that Cross Faith are not
the flavor of the month like they like

999
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,239
they were all the rage in twenty
twelve to twenty fourteen, they're not that

1000
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,480
banned ten odd years later. But
you know, how does the music hold

1001
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:23,920
up? Yeah, and cross FAFE
have had this bizarre feeling recently where it

1002
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,840
feels like they've they've gone away and
also never quite gone away at the same

1003
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,559
time, because as said, it's
their first full length in six years,

1004
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,119
and they did recently have some time
off and then had to go back and

1005
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:35,119
regroup and had some lineup changes and
stuff. But also I guess, you

1006
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:38,960
know, through the COVID period and
everything. There was a fairly steady stream

1007
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,960
of material in the way of EPs
and one off singles and stuff like that,

1008
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,440
and the effect has been to me
that they kind of became a bit

1009
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,760
of part of the wallpaper, which
was not necessarily intended effect. But as

1010
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,159
you're saying, Sam, cross Faith, I think definitely in the years since

1011
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:57,079
let's say twenty fifteen Zeno was the
last they had a particularly high media presence,

1012
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:00,320
they've kind of fallen too, being
background noise for a lot of to

1013
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,960
recap here, Sam, longtime fan
of Cross Faith, myself, not quite

1014
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,519
as intensely so, but also a
fan from those like early twenty tens days.

1015
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,320
Elliott on our Zion discussion, you
were also quite misty eyed about those

1016
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,000
days of like dubstep core and everything
else. So I think we all have

1017
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:21,960
kind of good will for Cross Faith
going into ARC. I don't know about

1018
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,039
everyone else, Like, I don't
know if this is an album that will

1019
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,760
gonna, you know, shake up
their place on the metal ladder or anything

1020
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,719
compared to what we've just said.
But the time off, having like gone

1021
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:35,519
away and regrouped and come back with
this, I think they've come back with

1022
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:41,639
their most reinvigorating record in quite some
time. In fact, if I was

1023
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:44,880
to use the word reinvigorating, if
they're like early twenty ten's work like that

1024
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,880
period we spoke about before, is
like really them sort of light in the

1025
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,239
match. I think this is the
first time they've kind of been able to,

1026
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:54,199
you know, refresh that. Yeah, I would. I mean this

1027
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:58,159
from those albums that kind of made
me sad that I'm like the world of

1028
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,920
modern metalcore, like You're not gonna
have a place for this, but Cross

1029
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,519
Faith, I will always have a
place for you in my heart. Because

1030
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:09,559
I don't know if this was me
just being misty eyed after doing that zion

1031
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:13,199
EP thing. I love this.
I have just completely just come home and

1032
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,159
be like, man, cross Faith, you have like again my love and

1033
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,920
modern metal core has been tested.
You are the band. You've come along

1034
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:23,159
and just done that again very like
not you're not trying to sound like poison

1035
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:25,159
the world and all that metal core. That's the only thing I like now.

1036
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:28,800
But you've come along and gone sad, we got your back here.

1037
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,400
Go have some big like wipe out
simps and web webs and riffs and you

1038
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,880
know, have a good time.
And yeah, Cross Faith, I have

1039
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,000
had a great Time. What they
do is still front and center. They

1040
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,400
are a party metalcore band born of
the sort of cross section of rave culture

1041
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,559
and metal in the late Northeast and
early twenty tens. But some of their

1042
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,199
other records I have enjoyed, but
they have a you know, maybe a

1043
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:53,559
degree of nostalgia goggles with it.
I was impressed with how much they boosted

1044
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,400
things like the production quality on this
one. I think that's it. This

1045
01:06:56,719 --> 01:07:00,320
sounds fantastic. This is a good
level of what I would hope Cross Faith

1046
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,880
to sound like in twenty twenty four. Yeah, and I thought this might

1047
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,400
be a pretty sad record. Like
I just thought, if they stick to

1048
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,840
the dubstep core thing in twenty twenty
four, you might think you might just

1049
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,760
kind of go, oh, it's
it's been done, lads. And alternatively,

1050
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,320
if they tried to adopt any of
the new modern metal core tropes,

1051
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,199
I mean, that would be heartbreak. It could be their self help,

1052
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:25,559
like I like what's good time.
They would be them trying to do it

1053
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,559
whilst you sleep self hell moment,
Yeah, that would have That would have

1054
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:31,440
been just like the other you know, twenty tens medical band that I like

1055
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:35,880
fully loved, just deciding to become
embarrassing. Well, yeah, and I

1056
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:41,159
don't have the same long standing love
for Cross Faith that like certainly you do,

1057
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:45,000
Sam, but I think they're a
very difficult band to not root for.

1058
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,679
And putting this record on, I
was so pleased with how much sort

1059
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:55,559
of exuberance came flooding out of it. Just Cross Faith seems so unfhazed by

1060
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,880
the lay of the land in metalcore
at the moment. They're just going to

1061
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,440
make the most up, sort of
positive and at it record they can make,

1062
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:08,159
and it's very hard not to get
swept up in that thing. Yeah,

1063
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:10,559
and part of the reason we did
the Ziony be on an album club

1064
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,199
and you know, that's sort of
spoken at as being sort of their defining

1065
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:17,319
moment. They're not usually an album
banned. Cross Faith like they pull together

1066
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:21,079
a wicked collection for the live set. Sometimes sitting and listening to thirteen tracks

1067
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:24,319
of them can be a bit much, And certainly, looking at a record

1068
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,359
like X Machina, which is forty
five minutes long, it's got some highlights,

1069
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,000
but I do feel that about that
record. Yeah, this is easily

1070
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:34,479
their most sort of jam packed track
list since at least apocalyse right, and

1071
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:39,479
it's it's very concise as well,
like eleven songs only thirty five minutes,

1072
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,399
and you know, there's a couple
of exceptions where it does deviates, but

1073
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,119
it you know, sustains the energy
very well. The first sort of like

1074
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:50,000
three quarters of this album at it
is just like the only way to describe

1075
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,720
the sound that again, the only
time it sort of takes a break in

1076
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:58,800
the first half is like the reggae
break in in the fucking fucking Warriors,

1077
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,520
Like that is like that, I
mean, that song's fucking mental, but

1078
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,960
for the moment you get that,
like the final call robot voice over big

1079
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,720
simps, it's like, yep call, This is the kind of cinemat cross

1080
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,880
safe intro I was gonna g ed
up and then zero kicks in those tribal

1081
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,239
drums and that chart and I was
going like, oh, wicked. It's

1082
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,720
it's something just a bit more like
a bit different sounding for plus Faith,

1083
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,319
and then when they kind of just
hit that groove and it is pulverizing,

1084
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,640
like they're still playing hard with more
extreme than a lot of what is going

1085
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,079
on in sort of modern metalcore,
just alongside the mental simp stuff. I

1086
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:38,079
mean, like my good will was
already was already there, and it kind

1087
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:41,640
of kicked into high gear when during
the final court it goes to that symphonic

1088
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,520
bit too, the most WUKD techno
bit you've ever heard, and I was

1089
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,680
like, I kind of trusted that's
what they do, and then for them

1090
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,199
to deliver on and like you say, when Zero kicks in that kind of

1091
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:59,119
programmed tribal drums in that vocal kind
of vibe on it. Yeah, And

1092
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,840
like, I mean, maybe it's
a bit of a sideways reference, but

1093
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,520
the way it came out of the
traps it reminded me of the ongoing concepts

1094
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,319
and the way they open Saloon.
It just it was so at it and

1095
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:14,159
so full on and so cross Faith
one oh one proof that you kind of

1096
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,960
any hesitation I might have had about
how you know, elegant this record might

1097
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,840
be or how dignified it might sound, it just went out the window.

1098
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,640
It no longer mattered because Cross Faith
have committed to their sound and they're doing

1099
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,520
it basically as well as I've ever
heard them do it. Yeah. I

1100
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,840
think sometimes the other problem with Cross
Faith is for all their crazy high energy

1101
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,600
and you know, dance bits and
everything. They don't always pack that like

1102
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,960
killer chorus to seal the deal,
and you know, I don't think that

1103
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,560
will ever necessarily be their number one
strength. But Zero, I think is

1104
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,319
definitely next to stuff like the Evolution. It's like one of their best ones.

1105
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:47,760
And the explosion is you know,
it's catchy from from the beginning,

1106
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,680
the clean rock apart, really big, the payoffrom the areas, the kind

1107
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:57,640
of the right back to Zero,
Yeah, so good, and then even

1108
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,319
into the hilarious drop parts. But
the other thing this is is, you

1109
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:01,600
know, I think you've both sort
of touched on it. This thing is

1110
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,760
brutal by cross face standards, right, Like this record is like charged up

1111
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,880
and vicious. Zero has like little
traces of death metal in the riffs,

1112
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:14,319
and then when it goes into the
electronic drops, it does it with like

1113
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,439
so much violent gusto that you just
kind of find yourself like whipped up in

1114
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,800
it. It's just nicer a metalcore
band still, you know, kind of

1115
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:26,119
go we like melodic death metal.
Here is a like mellow deaf riff in

1116
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:30,520
and amongst all these like just like
big ravy synth drops and like that shit

1117
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,720
has been so missing from a lot
of like the more kind of like commercially

1118
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:38,319
minded, highly produced modern medical But
it didn't sound as nostalgic as cross Face

1119
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:41,199
sometimes do I either for that stuff. It did feel like it was quite

1120
01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:44,920
well brought into the overall hole.
But you know, can you mentioned Warriors,

1121
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,920
which sounds like a chorus of Spartans
on a Saboton song or something before

1122
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,680
you even get to like the ragga
rap versecause you're very bizarre, But the

1123
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:56,399
run of tracks like after that point, he's like genuinely aggressive, Like Headshot

1124
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,319
is like one of the most crazy
violent cross Face songs maybe ever. It's

1125
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:03,720
like a kind of souped up twenty
twenty four version of New Breath from Fear

1126
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,520
Factory or something like or you know, you know that that their version of

1127
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,920
the Bringing the Horizon like hyped up
video game world thing that and like is

1128
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,920
it dummy system, Like yeah,
the silly fun those two are so like

1129
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,079
legit savage at times. Yeah,
like more of a feral edge than you

1130
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:21,359
know what I just mentioned rifts in
there, Like I was thinking about decapitated

1131
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:25,640
rifts in that song. I was
thinking about the weird like malfunctioning bends they

1132
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,199
have. I was thinking about Code
Orange. In there, Kena goes like

1133
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:32,479
genuinely evil with his vocal in a
very surprising way on that and then again

1134
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,640
right after the song you mentioned exactly, it's like remember when metalcore had like

1135
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,760
some fucking death metal in it.
It's pretty savage. No, I was

1136
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,279
just said, like, like that
song is like just got this like really

1137
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:47,279
maniac energy like him doing that that
really like guttural screaming to a beat down.

1138
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:55,039
Like again, it just it feels
way more punchy and just actually going

1139
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:57,960
for your throat in a way that
like too many bands that they're too afraid

1140
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,319
to sound that that aggressive now because
they just want to send it down and

1141
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:03,039
just sound as like Christine and Pol
as possible. And this album again,

1142
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:06,000
it is polished up in a old
places, but it's never to the point

1143
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,600
where they have sanded off any edge. Well yeah, I mean Dummy's system

1144
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,319
like when panic cords Like I've not
really heard Cross Faith try and be menacing

1145
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:17,840
before, and it was such a
fun flavor. And when it kicks off,

1146
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,239
the first thing I thought was it
sounds like pray for plagues. Like

1147
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:25,000
again, I wasn't expecting. I
just wasn't expecting it to go with that

1148
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:28,520
hard and headshot. I mean again, it couldn't be more twenty twelve if

1149
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,439
it was called yeager Bomb. But
in terms of juxtaposing the stars, which

1150
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,239
I've always been good at, like
you say, stuff like Decapitated and a

1151
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:40,600
lot of death metal or whatever,
and then that song also has a rap

1152
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,119
verse over a Sega racing game.
Like it's just like and that's kind of

1153
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:46,760
like as cornball as it gets.
But I'm I'm more than happy to play

1154
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,760
along when when they do go hard, they go that hard. Yeah,

1155
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,199
they're not fucking out, you know, they've not come back to just sort

1156
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:56,439
of you know, play very meek
with it. There is an actual fire

1157
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,960
in the belly with this, which
is you know, for a band in

1158
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,399
there kind of laying these rare to
hear at the moment, and you know,

1159
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,479
a band who had been around the
block a fair bit at this point,

1160
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:09,880
it's really cool to hear from them
the way that uh you and Shikari

1161
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,640
kind of are consistently praised for like
being able to sort of reinvent their like

1162
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,640
electronic and pop elements and stuff and
bring lots of stuff. I think Cross

1163
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,640
Faith has been able to do a
little bit here while keeping it sounded like

1164
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,960
cross Faith. The synth in my
own salvation is like straight off of Photosphere,

1165
01:14:24,039 --> 01:14:27,439
right, like it's old school.
Yeah, but the recording quality feels

1166
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,399
like higher than it has been at
times, and agin another really good chorus

1167
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,199
in there, and you know we
alluded to it earlier. I can't believe

1168
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:40,560
that one of like the best mainstream
metal tracks of the year is one featuring

1169
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,439
Wargasm, But Cross Faith did it, like, I mean, I think

1170
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,399
they like again, miv walk has
been I don't mind her. I want

1171
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,720
him to buger off, but like
Milky being used to that that godspeed yeah

1172
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,239
like hook, Like that's really good
use of her over that kind of like

1173
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,239
high pitched female, very vocal that
you know you'd get on like what did

1174
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:00,000
your track to that? And it
feels you kind of real throwback to that

1175
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:04,680
kind of like like just drum and
bass or like like rave kind of like

1176
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:11,279
sound that I'm just like, yeah, No, Wargasm actually sit nicely in

1177
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:14,920
this and it's just a big party
track for me. I think it's still

1178
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,600
in spite of them a little bit
because I know that you always say it's

1179
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,640
the blokeer the problem. I still
recoil a little bit of her parts because

1180
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,960
she sounds she sounds like the women
voices in Pretty Fly for a White Guy.

1181
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,960
But I have to say that all
of the featuring Wargasm songs that we

1182
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,399
have been subjected to in a like
constant tirade, this is the best one.

1183
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,680
It's much better than Shikari one.
And it's just because like the sheer,

1184
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,640
like you know, tops off party
energy of that synth line and that

1185
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,479
chorus and that drum and bass sort
of pump beneath it all. It is

1186
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,319
you know, classic cross faith,
the standard of which is the highest since

1187
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,520
like Wildfire with Benji Webb, Like
it's they've come back with another fucking big

1188
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,000
party tune there. Like that is
how you do a party electronic metal song.

1189
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,399
It's so consistently high energy, but
it's sonically sounds great. It's not

1190
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,920
a sloppy mess of parts sort of
glue together. It's great. That's again,

1191
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,880
there is just an actual cohesion to
a lot of these songs. Even

1192
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:12,680
when they again like Warriors, takes
hard genre pivots, it doesn't feel just

1193
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,479
kind of like the energy doesn't drops. Yeah, the energe doesn't drop,

1194
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,319
and it doesn't feel just kind of
like a weird like Tac tom Bit.

1195
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:23,640
It actually feels like because again like
Warriors, you go to that reggae break

1196
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:28,279
and then it starts to actually build
back up into the chorus again, so

1197
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:30,920
it feels that you're building to a
crescendo after you've had this genre privot So

1198
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:34,720
it's always like there's just always kind
of afford momentum to these songs. They

1199
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,760
never feel like they mean to or
just kind of like stop, start tack

1200
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,520
bits together and and like have without
any kind of care or thoughts. So

1201
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,640
I think, like the first time, like eight songs, just the good

1202
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,119
vibes don't let up for me,
and I know I'll give a good but

1203
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,680
balances have never been processed strong sweet. But again, I think the ones

1204
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,239
at the end of this aren't actually
as bad as they've often been with Cross

1205
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:59,359
Faith, Like there's no I enjoy
the whole thing. Yeah. So the

1206
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,800
weird on this happens at track nine
with a song called Nate Waves, where

1207
01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:06,600
all of a sudden, all that
high energy kind of does dissipate because it

1208
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:11,760
goes into like a Cross Faith does
chill Wave track, which is a sort

1209
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,640
of strange choice. I thought it
was strange that they basically do two in

1210
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,680
a Row with after Glow, like
doesn't for me those songs, it doesn't

1211
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,119
feel like they have much of their
own to really add to that style of

1212
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:24,359
music, Like it is just kind
of like a side step, like you

1213
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:28,479
know, Kent Do's not great paciato. It kind of pulls the rugout from

1214
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,279
under the record. It was just
a very sort of sudden, like,

1215
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:33,000
oh, we're we're somewhere else now. So like the thing with after Goo

1216
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:36,319
is like after Go is actually like
you could almost have that as part of

1217
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,319
the closing track because they use that, like they bring that main hook back

1218
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:44,000
in from after going to that into
the final crescendo. I just think like

1219
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:46,760
Nightwaves cross Off doing that kind of
chill SYMPI think much more probable to me

1220
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,680
than cross Weaft doing a piano ballad
like yeah, I agree, like I

1221
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,439
would Swagon, I actually quite I
like it is a weird pivot by most

1222
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,479
like in a way, I think
it'd be weirder if you'd had pie Pie

1223
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:00,840
pipe pipe, then that in the
middle and then back to the party.

1224
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,079
It would kind of kill the momentum
of the record. I'm fine with,

1225
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:09,920
Like big old like whip whip it
around your head, have a good time,

1226
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,560
chill for me, And then you
get a Canapus, which is like

1227
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,960
this big kind of like grand conscendo
track. I don't mind the sequencing on

1228
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,399
that, Yeah, I mean it's
it's hard to know how they would do

1229
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,319
it differently, to be honest,
because like you say, if they peppered

1230
01:18:21,399 --> 01:18:26,239
it through, it would be weird
to have like head shot chill wave song,

1231
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,319
dummy system. I don't know how
you could sequence it in a way

1232
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:31,039
where those would splice it nice it. It does mean that for me,

1233
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,560
the only time I maybe interest starts
to wander a little bit is towards the

1234
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,760
end of the record, and not
not because it's bad by any means,

1235
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,560
but you know, it's it's the
energy is such a sudden drop off.

1236
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,279
I guess, yeah, that's it, and it's I don't know. But

1237
01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:47,079
then because they're not bad songs.
If there were bad songs, you said

1238
01:18:47,079 --> 01:18:49,279
I would just drop them and just
have the party songs and have a shorter

1239
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:53,640
record, that's fine. But because
they're decent, it's it would seem wrong

1240
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,279
not to have any of that representation
on there. So yeah, I think

1241
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,000
it's one of the maybe slightly quibbly
mote aspects of the record. But I

1242
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,359
think that's pretty good going like the
fact that there's a couple of songs towards

1243
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:10,840
the end that are a bit low
energy and not as good as the others.

1244
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,960
That's that's okay. Yeah, I
would only cut Nightwaves. I think

1245
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,760
it's it's such a sudden stop to
the record, and like I said,

1246
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,079
it's them doing anything, which I
don't think again, I probably would prefer

1247
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:23,840
it on the ears to them doing
like a piano ballad. But I think

1248
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,960
it's such a sudden change of lane
into things which they just don't do anything

1249
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,000
special with it, right, I
would cut that one song. I would

1250
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,840
still have, you know, have
after Glow prelude into the closer Shore because

1251
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,399
when that hars shtop happened, I
was like, oh no, what we

1252
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,600
do in here? Like is this? You know? Is the end of

1253
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,279
the record? On a Fall for
Cliff, the last track is one of

1254
01:19:40,279 --> 01:19:43,520
my favorite songs on it, like
that like skate punk drumming that comes in

1255
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,560
on that last track, it all
momentum. It reminds me of like cross

1256
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,439
Face take on that kind of astronoidy
like Devin Town's end high Speed flying through

1257
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,880
the Clouds, you know, bright
proggy guitars, like it's really wonderful,

1258
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,279
and that is a like, you
know, a sort of a left field

1259
01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:00,960
pivot into something that really to work
for them, because it, you know,

1260
01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:03,920
plays into their kind of energy.
So you know, there's at tops,

1261
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:08,199
there's a few minutes of this record
that I don't think belong. Shall

1262
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:11,760
we say? I think it's still
impressive how consistently they are able to sort

1263
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,039
of mix up the template and so
much of it does work. Yeah,

1264
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:18,199
No, I I think that's fair. I mean, I think front Backers'

1265
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:23,319
album this is up there with the
best stuff Crosswave have done. And I

1266
01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:27,119
think coming at this sort far into
their career where like they've just felt like

1267
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,239
kind of just another medical band for
so long, and again I think it's

1268
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:31,920
a shame that it's come this stage
where the eyes aren't on them, where

1269
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,159
I think if this is the album
they dropped in like twenty fifteen instead of

1270
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:40,960
Xeno, that momentum could have carried
on as it did because it it.

1271
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:45,000
But I like, again I'm coming
this is someone who has such a huge

1272
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:48,000
cross Wave I have just felt so
vigorated coming back to this album and kind

1273
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,079
of being like man, cross Wave
even even if anyone else is gonna be

1274
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:54,359
there for them, I'm gonna be
here with your cross if your fucking killing

1275
01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:58,960
it on this album for me anyway, But I like, yeah, I

1276
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:00,199
just again, it's not one that
just it's just a good time from when

1277
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:03,159
I've put it on. Yeah,
I didn't need a Cross Faith album to

1278
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:08,720
be especially like above standard. They're
not, like you know, they're not

1279
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,960
the band I am looking to to
be like the creative cutting edge quarter force

1280
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,760
there. But I would I would
say this is the best one. It's

1281
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,880
boc alize. Yeah, No,
I definitely agree. And I think again,

1282
01:21:16,199 --> 01:21:20,159
in a genre that we are,
we've ragged on quite mercilessly when we're

1283
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:23,560
talking like like I say, the
modern prost milk Corps, this has been

1284
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,640
the first one films that one was
kind of united in like yeah, like

1285
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,840
actually like again, we you know, you guys weren't into the Berry Tomorrow

1286
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,520
album. We had split opinions on
the TGI album. Any of these sort

1287
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:39,720
of bands that are like modern Milkcorp
that we cover generally it's not a nice

1288
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,800
conversation. Well, here's the thing
here. Cross Faith aren't like, for

1289
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,439
want of a better term, they're
not selling out and putting themselves into a

1290
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,239
different lane to do this. They
they this thing is cross They've been true

1291
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:54,399
to themselves. They've just found a
few new touches and the end results are

1292
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,159
like, we'll just see for yourself, Like this is like the best Cross

1293
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:00,439
rever done in a decade. To
prove to me that you can go far

1294
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,279
on Gusto, you don't necessarily need
to be doing the most zeitgeisty thing,

1295
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:10,000
particularly when the current medical zeitgeist is
so beige and unappealing, you know,

1296
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,000
at least to us here. But
just do your thing and commit and write

1297
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,640
great songs and you'll go far.
And I mean you're saying, like the

1298
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,960
best since Apocalypse. I like this
pretty much. I like this as much

1299
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:26,520
as I think any Cross Faith full
length. Sure. Yeah, I think

1300
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,560
if you were to put together like
the top ten Cross Fay songs two or

1301
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,720
three here, that would have a
shout at cracking that. And yeah,

1302
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,359
I don't think it has been especially
pushed by the press or anything like that.

1303
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:40,600
But you know, if you like
high energy dancing, even metalcore,

1304
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,560
but you're maybe not all that impressed
with what he is in the zeit guys

1305
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,840
all the time, give us a
try, I think they, you know,

1306
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:47,039
certainly. The other thing that we
haven't compared this to is like there's

1307
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:51,159
the sort of post baby metal Kuwaii
coor thing that's going on, and that

1308
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:54,800
sort of stuff like cross Faith.
I think I think can still write a

1309
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,239
song a lot better than you know, all of those who aren't baby metal

1310
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:00,560
essentially that sort of come out of
Japan of like, so, you know,

1311
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,479
give it a go. The record
is called Arc now where you're going

1312
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,359
to go further down than the metal
rabbit hole. And next up we have

1313
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:12,920
two hundred Stab Wounds with manual manic
procedures, one of the most hotly anticipated

1314
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,239
records in death metal this year or
you know, of recent years. Even

1315
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,159
there's a lot of expectation on two
hundred dab Wounds, Yeah, which I

1316
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:24,079
think it's basically come from the singles
they put out in twenty twenty two,

1317
01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:28,199
because it felt it before that.
At least, my perspective was they were

1318
01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:31,159
kind of comfortably operating in that maybe
b to a modern death metal band with

1319
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,880
Blood Incantation, two Mold Piss Graver, the s Tier likes of Frozen Soul

1320
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,159
and Sanguine Sugar Bog in the a
O always like two hundred stab Wouns were

1321
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:45,560
kind of comfortably in that bata producing
cool music, but nothing that ever really

1322
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,760
struck me as potential fronts on a
status. And then they put that Masters

1323
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,680
of a Mobility single and all of
a sudden it was like, oh fuck,

1324
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:58,800
two hundred stab Wounds are brilliant songwriters, and for me that was a

1325
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,159
moment where it went from even if
they weren't bumped up, then an expectation

1326
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,279
that they might make the record that
would do that for them. Yeah,

1327
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:09,760
I don't know exactly when they sort
of like, you know, leap frog

1328
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,960
their way to being like the most
popular like death metal band. That's kind

1329
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,079
of what they know. They caught
the hardcore crowd, I think is one

1330
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:18,279
part of it. Like they they
caught that crowd alongside the death metal fans,

1331
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:21,319
so you were bringing two two fan
base together. Yeah, But it

1332
01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:24,359
didn't feel like there was a particular
moment where it happened. It's just sort

1333
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:27,239
of like the fact, oh yeah
to Hunstad Winds like really popped them really

1334
01:24:27,239 --> 01:24:29,640
big. They are. I don't
think they were the first one. But

1335
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,920
you know, there was the sort
of school of bands who went from the

1336
01:24:32,399 --> 01:24:36,359
underground label Maggot Stomp onto them being
you know, bigger metal label. So

1337
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,680
Sanga with super Bog and Frozen Sol
did the same thing. You know that

1338
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,159
a wave of death metal bands arrived
around twenty twenty, primarily emerging from that

1339
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:51,520
label, playing very meaty, not
quite slam, but slam adjacent death metal

1340
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,760
that has really popped off, you
know, very popularly cross appealing to the

1341
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,840
hardcore crowd, as you're saying,
evidenced on you know, certainly a moment

1342
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,760
of this album. One of them
played in that bad home Wrecker as well.

1343
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,640
Who hadn't thought of in a hot
minute that you all know the thing

1344
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,640
we're talking about it. We've mentioned
it so many times in recent years as

1345
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,439
the kind of prevailing winds of death
metal has shifted that way in recent years.

1346
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,119
Two hundred Staboids only formed in twenty
nineteen, first EP in twenty twenty,

1347
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:19,800
first album in twenty twenty one.
After that they then made the jump

1348
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:24,119
to Metal Blade Records, who are
releasing this and now we have the second

1349
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:28,680
full length album with all those resources
behind them, and in that wave of

1350
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,680
you know, death metal to un
Staboids are definitely one of the most regularly

1351
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:35,159
name dropped kind of up and comers. I've kind of always thought that they

1352
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:39,239
were decent, Like, I think
the thing I enjoyed the most was the

1353
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:43,239
thing that they put out last year, the Masters of Morbivity seven inch that

1354
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:45,279
I think was the third thing,
the Patter through Metal Blade. We spoke

1355
01:25:45,359 --> 01:25:47,640
it on the show. There was
a Slayer influence on that that I really

1356
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,600
liked. I think kind of finding
their thing in that field is kind of

1357
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,920
the nebulous bit because like Sangue super
Bog, I like the most openly fucking

1358
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,960
stinky of the bunch. Like obviously
we all know that that's the kind of

1359
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:01,920
love it or hate it thing about
that. Their sound is obviously very pushed

1360
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:09,239
to an extreme frozen soul have that
like particularly cold Bolt Throw infused now on

1361
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:12,039
their newest album actually slightly more of
a mainstream here as well, with that

1362
01:26:12,039 --> 01:26:15,239
assist from from Matt Heathy Undeath.
If you want to put them in there

1363
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:18,600
are like the really catchy pure death
metal songwriters Gatecreeper on, then you woul

1364
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:23,279
obviously gone to that really like turbo
charge thing to under Stab Wounds I think

1365
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:25,720
I kind of just cut down right
the middle of all of it. It's

1366
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:30,399
like this record is skinless, jungle
Rot, Broken Hope, Internal Bleeding,

1367
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:36,319
just kind of like the most no
frills groovy meathead but not too meathead brutalish

1368
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:41,079
death metal there is. Yeah,
that's kind of my thing with them as

1369
01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:43,760
well, Like I mean, I
really like this, but it also it

1370
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,479
kind of feels like them kind of
doing a bit of like a tour through

1371
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:53,279
death metal at times this album without
kind of like finding their thing like there

1372
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:56,239
is like they're still we know,
like that kind of like hardcoreing from its

1373
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,319
death metal approach that they're that they're
doing, which again I really dig,

1374
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,880
but yeah, it just it feels
kind of like we're kind of like,

1375
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:04,880
do you know there's a bit of
autopsy. I think, like carcass you

1376
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,560
can find on like some of the
things that this non more melogic touch and

1377
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,159
stuff like that, like and it's
kind of all just really good to this

1378
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,960
like death mel but I don't find
anything about this that necessarily pops on and

1379
01:27:16,039 --> 01:27:19,720
goes like yeah, that's the thing
that makes two hundred stab wounds like a

1380
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,680
band to really like hype up and
get behind Yeah. I mean, there's

1381
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,119
no wild formula here, There's no
like Elevator Pitture. It's this meets this,

1382
01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:30,279
it's you know, they're kind of
in some sense following the rule.

1383
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:33,119
But like you say, it's the
Jungle Rop, Skinless, all of those

1384
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:36,560
bands. I'm glad you mentioned Carcass
because I think the riff style of Bill

1385
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:41,720
Steer is a huge influence on Two
Stab Wounds. But to be honest,

1386
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,560
for being one of the less original
and maybe less artistically bold records we're discussing

1387
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:50,720
this month, it might be my
favorite. I have gone so hard for

1388
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:55,239
this record. It's just maybe this
is like my version of the Speed thing,

1389
01:27:55,239 --> 01:27:57,479
where it's like, yeah, I
know, it's not magic. I

1390
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,800
complete, I complete because I think
this is like most comparable to the Speed

1391
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,000
record, Yeah, in its own
in like the death metal version of it,

1392
01:28:04,039 --> 01:28:06,439
in that it's doing death metal,
and if you're down with that,

1393
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,520
you will have the best time when
you stick this on. Yeah, and

1394
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,600
I do, because it's just that
the sound of it is just the business,

1395
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,079
and they have that unhinged quality that
I think makes the best death metal

1396
01:28:18,119 --> 01:28:21,239
really special. And there's a lot
of death metal bands I love now,

1397
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:27,159
but I do think maybe that real
edge of the seat playing is lacking.

1398
01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:30,720
I wouldn't even say lacking, but
it's not explored so much by a lot

1399
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,800
of the front running bands. Two
hundred stab Wounds have that kind of black

1400
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:39,960
darling murder runaway train thing, but
they strip away all the lights that that

1401
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:45,680
band have and it's all just like
hellish, Yeah, I'm sort of with

1402
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,880
you. I'm not sure I feel
what you're feeling on that last element that's

1403
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:53,079
sort of you know, edge of
your seat runaway train thing. I found

1404
01:28:53,079 --> 01:28:56,560
this to be quite settled. I
Alsos thought about the Speed Record basically for

1405
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,560
similar reason. I think, person
when we bring death metal to the show,

1406
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:03,680
it's because it's either a like really
buzzy or popular, be we're really

1407
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:09,279
passionate about it. I think that
sort of criteria for me probably makes this

1408
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:12,159
the most like bone average death nut
a record will cover this year. And

1409
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:15,359
that's not to say it's not good. It's just that it's a popular new

1410
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:17,199
band whore Albays gonna make room for. But in a very very busy lane.

1411
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,920
As a man who has heard plenty
of jungle, Skinless records or whatever,

1412
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,920
like, I'm perfectly home with this, it's a you know, it's

1413
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,720
a it's a meaty time. I
think it settles into itself, and to

1414
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,279
me it kind of, uh,
it doesn't often kind of really grab me

1415
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:34,439
by the throat and go fucking listen
to this. I am just sort of

1416
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:39,479
like, you know, in that
sloppy you know, sloshing around on the

1417
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:45,279
album cover Autopsy table Time having you
know, a fairly decent time. But

1418
01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:48,039
I haven't fallen in love with it
the way that you have it, huh.

1419
01:29:48,079 --> 01:29:50,640
I mean like thing as I get
all that, and when I say

1420
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,640
the runaway train thing, it's not
necessarily because from one moment to the next

1421
01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:58,600
there's this wild shage you have no
idea what's coming. It's just the sort

1422
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:04,119
of it's maybe runaway trains not the
allegory for it, but it's that sensation

1423
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:09,159
of slamming as hard as it does
and then going as fast as it does.

1424
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:14,560
And I think they've they've got such
a knack for hooks on this record

1425
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,399
that I think, you know,
I really like Sangue super but I think

1426
01:30:17,399 --> 01:30:21,159
they're excellent. I can listen to
a Sangue super Bow record and there's not

1427
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:25,720
that many moments that stand out for
me sure writing the notes for this,

1428
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,439
there were just so many quick sometimes
just ten fifteen second sections. Was like,

1429
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,000
that's fucking exceptional, and for me, you get them right from the

1430
01:30:34,039 --> 01:30:39,239
off, like Hands of Eternity as
an opener, I think is already great.

1431
01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:42,159
And the way it barely settles on
a riff for more than thirty seconds

1432
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:45,399
at a time while still being really
catchy, there's a bit on there.

1433
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,479
I think it's literally three minutes in. There's a kind of call and response

1434
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:53,680
between the vocals and the riff and
the way it slides back and forth in

1435
01:30:53,720 --> 01:31:00,279
the groove. It's like Cannibal Corpse
level sort of death metal groove playing.

1436
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,439
It's it's so good. And when
you're doing that, I don't really need

1437
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,239
a fresh idea. I don't need
Oh, this is a band where their

1438
01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:11,800
concept is this or they can bin
from this, that or the other.

1439
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:15,119
That thing you're doing is actually hard
enough. Yeah, I mean that's what

1440
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:18,920
someone like Undeath doing that first track. I was impressed with the the kind

1441
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,079
of what you're saying about, how
it almost like doesn't allow you to settle

1442
01:31:23,119 --> 01:31:25,640
for too long. For that track, the most ambitious track on the album,

1443
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,000
I'd say Hands of ten. Yeah. I mean there's a few moments

1444
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,239
where they kind of deVie it and
try something different, and I applaud them

1445
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:31,720
for all the things. I like
that it starts with that kind of clean

1446
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:35,199
guitar spookiness that sounds why Mega Death
or like you know, Slayers or something

1447
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:38,800
like that. It's you don't expect
that on a you know, kind of

1448
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,960
more meat and potatoes death metal record, that kind of eighties thrash spookiness.

1449
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,479
And it's got some like you know, tolling bear bells, atmosphere and stuff,

1450
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,239
got drama, which again, you
know, not necessarily expecting from a

1451
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:53,520
hardcore influenced death metal. Yeah.
I think maybe my part of it is

1452
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:58,520
sonically, I think it's well produced. I don't find it to be explosively

1453
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,319
produced. I think it kind of
into a sort of third gear, you

1454
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:05,159
know, neutral death metal soum for
most of it. I think the drums

1455
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:09,680
particularly feel very relaxed and it doesn't
feel like they're hitting that hard. And

1456
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,760
I guess maybe it doesn't help that
I'm still listening to Anti Crisis Machine record,

1457
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,880
but it just it's pretty steady going
this and I wish the drums are

1458
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,520
a bit more whacking them to really
like I mean again, that Cannic Corps

1459
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,319
thing I think you were saying is
a good parason off as a band,

1460
01:32:19,319 --> 01:32:25,199
they're you know, evoking, but
Cannical Corps now still like sound like I'm

1461
01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:28,600
in the fucking car crash scene in
death Proof more than this does they like

1462
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,880
actually cave my head in with how
we intense and powerful the sound is.

1463
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,399
Whereas this, it's kind of you
know, taking that two thousands brittle death

1464
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:40,119
metal, making it very clear,
very crisp, about as presentable as possible,

1465
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:44,239
Like it makes it a little un
extreme for want of a better word,

1466
01:32:44,279 --> 01:32:46,560
like this is like as clear cut
as anything approaches a particular sort of

1467
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,359
sub sub genre can be. And
I think that is obviously that is also

1468
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:53,880
what makes it appealing to a lot
of people. And I'm not saying I

1469
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,600
want them to you know, take
these at times fairly advanced bits of songwriting

1470
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,640
they've done and like you know,
render them indecipherable or anything. It just

1471
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,279
this record does kind of mostly sit
into like a cool, yeah, steady

1472
01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:08,680
head nodding third gear for me rather
than really like making me ship my pants.

1473
01:33:09,119 --> 01:33:12,520
I think it can like vary from
song to songs I think someone like

1474
01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:15,920
Devil Gestations where it does get you
know, a bit grotty and a bit

1475
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:20,079
like more gore soked like, whereas
a song like gross Abuse, that's where

1476
01:33:20,079 --> 01:33:25,439
it's kind of more just like meaty
like grooves and is a bit more kind

1477
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,600
of like instead of it. So
I think like there's not I think like

1478
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,239
it never kind of sells them something
for too long and it does mix up.

1479
01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:32,720
But I dosum mean where some songs
do just feel a little bit like

1480
01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:36,000
not pleasant by Death noel Standers,
but just kind of like you know,

1481
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:40,279
pleasant for me, No, no, no, but like but I agree

1482
01:33:40,279 --> 01:33:43,720
with you where I think like this
is some of these songs are as easy

1483
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,560
to listen to as Death mel Can
Get like, which I think I think

1484
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,600
is a good thing for this album. I think it's what's gonna you know,

1485
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,560
help them go. But I do
think I do think like they at

1486
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:57,319
least are on certain songs not afraid
to kind of like scus it up a

1487
01:33:57,359 --> 01:34:00,439
little bit more so it never feels
too nice. Yeah, I think Abuse

1488
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:01,159
is one of my favorite traps on
the record. There's a riff in there

1489
01:34:01,159 --> 01:34:04,560
that reminds you of like a slam
version of them bones or something like weird

1490
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:08,279
ascending part that's pretty cool and like
we said, the sort of like you

1491
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:12,279
know, the sort of traces of
like thrash technicality you get in hands of

1492
01:34:12,319 --> 01:34:15,720
eternity a nice as well. I'm
kind of I'm kind of taken aback by

1493
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,840
the sort of struggling at the production
because I think this thing sounds like really

1494
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,920
great and not in a way we're
death metal record. Like you say,

1495
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,399
you're kind of going, why have
I not shot myself yet? Like there

1496
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,960
is an element of that where it's
not that heavy or that frightening. To

1497
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,560
me, it just sounds like a
big, well produced metal record. But

1498
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:39,600
five years ago I see you coming
from there like I don't mind the production.

1499
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,720
I think like it's fine, yeah, iven that partt thing is where

1500
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,520
it comes right, I said,
like where you can actually hand this to

1501
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,159
someone who might like death met and
they will just enjoy it as a sort

1502
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:51,520
of good sounding metal record. But
I don't understand where like if you want

1503
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:56,279
to that is that more extreme.
This doesn't quite cut or like kind of

1504
01:34:56,399 --> 01:35:00,279
cave your skull in as much as
say, I don't know, like Angry

1505
01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:02,479
super Bowl or Frozen Soul or pick
any other band. Yeah, I think

1506
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,000
for me again, it's like comparison
points are some of my favorite, like

1507
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:11,680
genuinely terrifying death metal bands of the
moment are bands like a Feather and Bone,

1508
01:35:12,039 --> 01:35:14,439
and you know that they're not around
anymore, but try and beer fowl

1509
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:17,039
and stuff like that. And then
the flip side is again how insanely hard

1510
01:35:17,159 --> 01:35:20,399
Eric Rutan has managed to make those
you know, veteran Chemical Cause records sound

1511
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:24,039
again, this kind of it cuts
down the middle, you know, And

1512
01:35:24,079 --> 01:35:25,920
I'm not saying it's badly produced.
I think that, you know, it's

1513
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,760
a record I'm more than happy to
you know, sit in and it's pleasing.

1514
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,399
It just that's what kind of stops
me feeling that, like you know,

1515
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,720
really you use the word unhinged element
about it. That's for me what

1516
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:40,439
kind of stops it feeling too much
in that regard. It feels it a

1517
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,800
bit more comfortable than it does like
genuinely dangerous. Yeah, And I think

1518
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,840
sometimes I think that's what works for
its advance, Like that we mentioned gross

1519
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,760
Abuse, which at least has that
real slamming bit, and for me,

1520
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,960
one of the thrills of it is
so one of my favorite kind of underrated

1521
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,680
modern death metal bands is this band
called flesh Shot from Texas. I think

1522
01:35:59,119 --> 01:36:02,640
one record out that they're fucking wicked, and this song takes the sort of

1523
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,279
thing that they're doing but makes it
sound big, like they've got this real

1524
01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:12,960
caveman bass tone and sort of nasty
riffing style. But it's like they've taken

1525
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,560
that and they've mixed it with Burned
my Eyes or something it's like, and

1526
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,079
it makes it sound glorious and it's
I mean, if Fleshrot never become the

1527
01:36:19,119 --> 01:36:24,039
hype band, I will take this
as a win. It's that sound done

1528
01:36:24,079 --> 01:36:28,680
or muscular. And then on the
title track it goes from sounding like the

1529
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,079
nastiest material on hard Work to the
stupidest material on Eating Back to Life.

1530
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:36,399
It's just running the death metal grnolet
and coming out triumphant. I think there's

1531
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,800
as much as we said, oh, there isn't really a thing that marks

1532
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:45,239
them out. It's for me,
it's how adept they are at, like

1533
01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:47,239
you say something, all the different
styles. I think they just they nail

1534
01:36:47,279 --> 01:36:50,880
that. Yeah, I said,
I do give them credit for again sort

1535
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,039
of analyzing this an academic man.
I do give then credit for some of

1536
01:36:54,079 --> 01:36:57,800
the technical advancements on it where you
know, the title track or you know,

1537
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:00,399
led to the Chamber slash Liquefied,
which is in the mental track.

1538
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,720
Yeah, it takes on some of
the kind of frozen soul that that's kind

1539
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,000
of sort of you know, horror
score, morbid ambience bit of times,

1540
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:10,119
and it takes a bit of that. There are parts of this where you

1541
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:14,439
can clearly see that they are like
pushing their songwriting in this particular realm.

1542
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,319
And you know, I can't not
like an album to some degree, an

1543
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:20,640
album that has a song called release
the Stench on it, like maybe the

1544
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:26,159
most self consciously kind of old school
like pure slam that's also got like a

1545
01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:29,760
real sort of like wild Kerry King
worshiping side at the start of it,

1546
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,960
like which again and a big beat
down like I think like songs that I

1547
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,399
think like they're just cool to listen
to. Yeah, And it's comfy,

1548
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:41,800
pleasing, familiar death metal for me
that never goes over the line of like

1549
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,560
really fucking blowing me away. But
even you know, as you settle into

1550
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,199
the rhythm a little bit at least, I do you do get you know,

1551
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:48,800
the stand up moment that pops up
later on of Ride the flat nine

1552
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:54,079
flap line featuring Jamie Morgan on vocals, which just you know, coming late

1553
01:37:54,079 --> 01:37:56,479
in on the record, I'm glad
they put it there. Sounds very you

1554
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,279
know, different and recognizable as he
comes in. And again here is that

1555
01:38:00,319 --> 01:38:03,760
guy in a death of context doing
you know, the most kind of venomous,

1556
01:38:04,119 --> 01:38:08,760
tormented, bestial voice that he can
while still sounding like Jamie Worgan.

1557
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,720
He fucking tears that out of him. I mean not to just you know,

1558
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,840
be like, oh, I like
the song with the codonsk on it,

1559
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,439
that's my favorite song on the album. I think that song absolutely rips.

1560
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,840
I mean the first thing he says
in his verses three naves like he

1561
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,600
knows what he knows what he's doing, but I think like him just kind

1562
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:25,520
of coming at it like a little
bit more of savage thing great, and

1563
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,479
then you know him skimming over that
sort of like bass and at the end,

1564
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,479
like the dive bombs going off and
like the beat down, and like

1565
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:34,319
it just has brings all the bits
of hardcore like into a more kind of

1566
01:38:34,359 --> 01:38:39,199
like ferocious death metal sound. I'm
just like this is like this like real

1567
01:38:39,279 --> 01:38:42,920
shot of like just fucking go that
that's when he does feel a little bit

1568
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:46,520
like runaway train unhinged, kind of
like burst of energy at the end of

1569
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,680
the record that just like grabs him, kind of goes like, fucking pay

1570
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,319
attention to this. Yeah, yeah, I mean I didn't even have the

1571
01:38:53,359 --> 01:38:55,720
truck list stop when I was listening
to this, so I had no idea

1572
01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:00,000
Jamie Morgan was making appears. When
that voice comes in, it's he grabs

1573
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:02,800
he does, And it's such a
cool flip because it's an extreme vocal but

1574
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:08,560
in a completely different style, and
the band of kind of made an effort

1575
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:12,359
to match him where it's not just
a standard death metal song where Jamie is

1576
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:15,560
to try and find space. They've
clearly geared it somewhat to that sort of

1577
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,159
thing anyway, so it sounds like
a really natural fit. And it's just

1578
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:23,520
again, it's just it's so exciting
I think, I mean, specially for

1579
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,840
someone who didn't even know it was
coming and then suddenly you're listening to a

1580
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:30,119
death metal code orange song. I
mean, what's not to like? Yeah,

1581
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,960
it's crowd pleasing this, I think
it's certainly it's a good step into

1582
01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:38,960
death metal. I wish I was
as wowed by it as you are,

1583
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,359
Elliott, Like, I think you
know, if you go on Spotify listens

1584
01:39:41,359 --> 01:39:44,600
for example, these guys like win
out in this curarticular crop, like they've

1585
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:48,520
got more than sangui Superbowl, literally
several tens of times more than undeath frozen

1586
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:53,319
soul vomit fourth, Like, these
guys are the fucking arguably the biggest ones

1587
01:39:53,319 --> 01:39:57,760
of these currently and I they're kind
of not the most remarkable one to me,

1588
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,800
Like, it's not the heaviest,
it's not the catchiest, the most

1589
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,359
ambitious, the energetic. I think
it's just sort of the exact middle of

1590
01:40:02,359 --> 01:40:04,880
the diagram. But it is,
you know, fairly good. And I

1591
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:10,560
think, you know, I can
certainly say why you know them being that

1592
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,479
just kind of coming through in the
middle and being adept in it, which

1593
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,760
I do think they are to a
solid degree. Why you know, it

1594
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,720
would be some particularly kind of you
know exactly for people. Yeah, I

1595
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:25,640
think I don't even really disagree with
anything you've said that, Like, like

1596
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,199
you said, they're not the catchiest, they're not the heaviest, they're not

1597
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:30,119
the most frightening, they're not the
most extreme, they're not the most ambitious

1598
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:35,079
or anything. But when it comes
to just having a good time when something's

1599
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:40,199
on. This has been one of
the standouts of the last few months for

1600
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:44,760
me, just like it's funny because
they've not done anything in particular way.

1601
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,279
You go, that's why they're the
most popular, And I'm kind of stunned

1602
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,640
to you say that they're that much
more popular when it comes to streams,

1603
01:40:53,079 --> 01:40:56,680
even with the new record out.
But I think they just for me,

1604
01:40:56,720 --> 01:41:00,640
they capture what makes death metal satisfying, and I think ultimate maybe that's what

1605
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,720
people even who like death metal,
that's what they're looking for. They're not

1606
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:08,319
everyone's always looking to be challenged or
whatever. They just want a moment like

1607
01:41:08,359 --> 01:41:11,359
that thing I mentioned, Hands of
Eternity, where oh that's just super catchy,

1608
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:16,520
super fun, super exciting, and
sometimes that's enough. Yeah, my

1609
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:19,640
got recommendation for people. Listen to
the new Necra album if you like this.

1610
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,159
We didn't get to review that one
back in April, but that'll be

1611
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:27,000
like a great next step if you
like this. It's super straightforward and catchy,

1612
01:41:27,079 --> 01:41:30,920
but you know, great songwriting,
vocal hooks. Yeah, that's two

1613
01:41:30,039 --> 01:41:34,239
hundred stab wounds. Perhaps not what
your immediate next step the death metal would

1614
01:41:34,279 --> 01:41:38,479
be, but nonetheless some death metal
that you will frankly never be able to

1615
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:42,279
interchange with anyone else. Next time
we go to Ulcer rate and Cutting the

1616
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:46,479
Throat of God easily the best album
title of the year. If that was,

1617
01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:51,920
if anything, hardest album title of
the year that fucking sounds good on

1618
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,680
the TNM Awards, that would easily
be the runaway winner. We don't have

1619
01:41:55,720 --> 01:42:00,920
to do it New Zealand's runaway greatest
metal band if you're keeping score. Ulcer

1620
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,600
eight have been around for like a
good you know, fifteen plus years,

1621
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:08,720
making pretty critically acclaimed experimental death metal. But as we said that in the

1622
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:12,640
in the twenties, they have reached
a sort of new kind of pedestal that

1623
01:42:12,399 --> 01:42:16,479
they're on. Twenty twenties album Staring
to Death and Be Still is I think

1624
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,840
their best album. I raved about
it on the show, and now with

1625
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:24,039
the follow up, they are in
a position where for many people in the

1626
01:42:24,119 --> 01:42:28,279
underground they are like one of the
extreme metal bands to beat, one of

1627
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:31,000
sort of the big events of the
calendar is this record. And you know,

1628
01:42:31,039 --> 01:42:35,479
even the fact that this is I've
seen it get like main website reviews

1629
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,399
on the likes of Kerrang and metal
hammer, which for a band this like

1630
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,800
unabashedly underground and like, you know, not crowd pleaser or buckling to make

1631
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:49,359
people like them in anyway is good
going for what was already a pretty recognizable

1632
01:42:49,399 --> 01:42:53,439
sounding band in this period. With
these two you know, latest albums,

1633
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,960
I think they have stepped into becoming
even more like one of the most completely

1634
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:02,159
unique, one off sound bands in
the entirety of metal, to be honest,

1635
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:05,239
Elliott. When we were putting these
reviews together, Ulcer eight stood out

1636
01:43:05,279 --> 01:43:08,920
as like, yeah, we got
to talk about that. What are you

1637
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,079
know, sort of Alter eight to
you? In terms of everything I've just

1638
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:15,680
said, I mean, you've basically
nailed it. Like they've never been a

1639
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,520
big, big band, but it
feels like those in the know know that

1640
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,920
one of the best death metal bands
of the twenty first century. It feels

1641
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:27,960
like since since everything is fire onwards
where everything is fire like, it's a

1642
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:32,840
great and there. I think what
makes them so brilliant is that their particular

1643
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:38,319
brand of death metal scratches too,
which is the so often you have to

1644
01:43:38,359 --> 01:43:43,960
choose between where it's like they have
that fiery, imperious sound that's not too

1645
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,720
dissimilar to things like Immolation or day
Aside or even like Behemoth at points,

1646
01:43:48,199 --> 01:43:53,039
but they've also got that super obtuse
surreal thing or something like Portal where you

1647
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:57,159
really have to sit down and make
an effort to penetrate its walls. And

1648
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:00,479
I think, like you know,
I flipped on my favorite record of theirs

1649
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,600
is, but I think there's a
very good argument we made that Staring to

1650
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:08,279
Death and be Still is their best
record so far. And it felt like

1651
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:12,359
a bit of a wake up moment
for people because suddenly, I mean,

1652
01:44:12,399 --> 01:44:14,760
like you said, there'd be kind
of a critical darling for a while in

1653
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,199
certain circles, but it felt like
they were starting to get traction in places

1654
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:25,119
where you wouldn't normally see experimental,
post progressive death metal band getting interest,

1655
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:26,920
if you want to call them that. And I think that was a particularly

1656
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,760
good year for forward thinking, unique
extreme music like Imperial Triumphant, Oh yeah,

1657
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,359
all my favorite, Like you know, I remember my Top twenty that

1658
01:44:33,399 --> 01:44:35,199
year. I had, you know, fucking I had that, and I

1659
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:38,520
had Imperio Triumphant, and I had
on the black Mail side, there was

1660
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,039
a Ranti Pazuzu. Like a lot
of my favorite stuff that year was on

1661
01:44:41,079 --> 01:44:44,119
the kind of pushing at the weird
ends. Yeah, I mean I went

1662
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,199
back to my top twenty of the
year list. I thought, you fucking

1663
01:44:46,319 --> 01:44:50,760
nerd like all this, it's just
like Neptunian maximalism and all anyway, And

1664
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:55,319
maybe LS eight benefited from the uput
tick in that, but I don't think

1665
01:44:55,319 --> 01:45:00,880
it would mean much if the record
they came out with wasn't spectacular, and

1666
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:05,920
that record could hang with any of
those standout records we mentioned. And it's

1667
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:09,960
I'm saying that and I'm not even
sure it's their best album. I think

1668
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:14,399
they are like an easy contendo if
you talk about best death metal bands of

1669
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:18,319
the last twenty years. I think
that that record was really magical for how

1670
01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:24,720
they managed to introduce like a stronger
sense of melody into their like completely warped,

1671
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,720
one of a kind sound. And
for me, part of what's smart

1672
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,560
this sort of you know transition into
a new decade with Ulcer raight is and

1673
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,520
it is the thing that I have
particularly resonated with on these records is they've

1674
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:38,199
gone from that like intensely just crushingly
heavy at all times to now you know,

1675
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:43,039
remaining heavy, but like also taking
on this like borderline spiritual kind of

1676
01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:45,640
quality. Like you have to listen
to Ulcera in a very particular way,

1677
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,000
like it it is death metal,
but it's not death metal like two hundred

1678
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:53,560
Stab Wounds that crushes and bludgeons you
and is all about that kind of sense

1679
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,239
of headbanging, you know, violence
there is you know that again, there's

1680
01:45:57,239 --> 01:46:00,239
melody in there, but it's not
about catchy songs so to speak. Is

1681
01:46:00,319 --> 01:46:04,880
about a like deeply overwhelming sense of
like sonic breadth and darkness that kind of

1682
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:10,359
occupies this you know, conceptually,
there's a lot of stuff that kind of

1683
01:46:10,359 --> 01:46:13,079
sort of the year, the overlap
state between life and death and kind of

1684
01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:17,319
you know, it was about looking
into this like incomprehensible maddening abyss and the

1685
01:46:17,399 --> 01:46:20,039
use of melody and again, all
these records sort of more laid back,

1686
01:46:20,079 --> 01:46:25,680
even tempos at times, creates this
like incredibly meditative state. And like,

1687
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:30,520
I love their music on these records
because through this like absolutely fucked up sense

1688
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,039
of you know, playing and arranging
everything, they make everything seem so huge

1689
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:38,279
and thus you seem so small,
you know, And the way on these

1690
01:46:38,279 --> 01:46:41,640
records they've kind of stepped the foot
off the gas a bit, but while

1691
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,560
keeping everything really just like dense and
dizzying. It's so hard to compare it

1692
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,239
to anything else, Like I draw
the appeal close to like the likes of

1693
01:46:48,279 --> 01:46:53,479
Tool even in terms of just like
sinking into an album of dense musicianship that

1694
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:57,239
evokes this, you know, more
spiritual space like you know ten Thousand Days

1695
01:46:57,279 --> 01:47:00,800
or Theory Inoculum or something, or
you know Gajeira even but like in this

1696
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:05,359
much you know, more impenetrable,
hard to get stripted with extreme alien world.

1697
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:10,600
This record is hard work, Like
it's it's taken me like the last

1698
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,520
month of listening to even feel like
I begin to really you know, understand

1699
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:18,520
it. But it is one of
the most like advanced works of heavy music

1700
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:25,000
making on the market this year.
Yeah, I just like they continue to

1701
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:29,359
even when I now I go into
an ulcerat record expecting to be impressed,

1702
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:33,600
I just continually am And I think
you were saying about long stretch of being

1703
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:40,079
more meditative and patience and all of
that stuff. They've definitely been moving into

1704
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:45,119
less arcane and more emotional territory,
you know, over the last two records,

1705
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,560
But there's long stretch to this record
where it's almost more like a post

1706
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:51,840
metal album than is a death metal
record. And if you'd have told me

1707
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:57,239
that, like before I went into
it, I might have been disappointed.

1708
01:47:57,279 --> 01:48:00,399
And not because I think Osra couldn't
do it, but I think I burnt

1709
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,359
myself out on that style of music
quite a while ago, and I have

1710
01:48:03,359 --> 01:48:08,239
almost no interest in new post rock
or postmodo, to be honest, and

1711
01:48:08,279 --> 01:48:11,159
the prospects of one of the best
death metal bands going into that territory,

1712
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:16,760
I could have been hesitant, but
the way they kind of they've worked,

1713
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,720
they've needed that into their music.
They make something that I think can often

1714
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:27,760
sound kind of limp and formulaic,
sounds so alive and dangerous, and I

1715
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,680
can't think of anyone else who's doing
that with these ingredients. Yeah, I

1716
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:36,359
think it's kind of remarkable how like
widely acclaimed their music has actually become considering,

1717
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:40,880
how like difficult to unpack. It
is, Like there are there are

1718
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:45,159
zero conventional hooks or anything like that
in this record, but it is so

1719
01:48:45,159 --> 01:48:47,680
one of a kind. And like
even if the song so to speak,

1720
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:51,720
arsub Dude, the emotional headspace of
their music is sort of quite evident,

1721
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,720
and I guess sort of permeates everything
as you listen to it, Sam,

1722
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:59,640
you know the things are talking about. I imagined this could basically be an

1723
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,880
imperial triumphant situation with you, because
this is like beyond the pale of conventional

1724
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:10,600
Bethntal songwrating. It is operating in
a mentally exhausting realm. But you know,

1725
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,000
how did you get on with us? This might be one of the

1726
01:49:14,039 --> 01:49:17,560
most I've liked to get one of
these really experimental like death metal bands you've

1727
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:23,279
bought on, because I could sit, I could sit in the like emotional

1728
01:49:23,319 --> 01:49:27,600
space the album is going for.
I've still probably got more to learn from

1729
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,319
the album as I saw to dig
into it. But like I was a

1730
01:49:30,399 --> 01:49:31,199
bit like, oh, this is
gonna be when I hit play on it,

1731
01:49:31,239 --> 01:49:34,760
and like and so I saw like
long songs, all this is this

1732
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:38,880
gonna be like a journey of an
album and all that, and I was

1733
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,520
like, fifty chance, I'm gonna
go with it. I mean, it

1734
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:49,239
is devastatingly heavy when it goes heavy, but there is like this really gorgeous

1735
01:49:49,279 --> 01:49:54,159
melodic kind of through line there as
well, just kind of like again,

1736
01:49:54,279 --> 01:49:59,399
it's getting suffer under the blinkers of
habit is but like the first song,

1737
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:03,159
there is some amazing melodic guitar work
in there, like the sort of something

1738
01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:06,159
that it feels like it could be
a chorus, but it's like not because

1739
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:12,199
it's being like just part of this
wider hole of these songs. The moment

1740
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:18,000
where I fully clicked with this album
is what song is there to see Death

1741
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:19,920
just once? Which is quite a
way into it, but it's the moment

1742
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:25,239
where they go like super fast and
heavy on that sort of song and else

1743
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:29,800
coming like Okay, they like this
is like crazy, how good this is?

1744
01:50:30,399 --> 01:50:33,439
Like like if it becomes with like
disgusting wretch for screen before like they

1745
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,600
get this twisted rip out and like
you get like it goes in fast and

1746
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,520
the blast's coming, Else come out. I was like, right, cool,

1747
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:43,319
I'm getting fully sucked into what they're
doing here. I mean the suck

1748
01:50:43,399 --> 01:50:49,960
zone we're recorded the week that the
movie Twisters has come out. If that

1749
01:50:50,279 --> 01:50:56,680
completely self out for anyone else,
yeah, I mean it's a weird thing

1750
01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:01,039
with because like they're a kind of
contradiction because like the records are really monotonous,

1751
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:04,399
Like well that's what I was was
gonna happen. When it was like

1752
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:08,520
because I realized a couple of songs
and it was kind of like, it

1753
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:12,359
feels like it's going to be at
one place. And then that song came

1754
01:51:12,399 --> 01:51:16,760
in and was just this hard shifting
something like just showed me back in and

1755
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:20,159
from there I was kind of just
hooked and again like and that that song

1756
01:51:20,319 --> 01:51:24,920
comes quite late in the record,
but it put everything that came before it

1757
01:51:25,079 --> 01:51:27,520
more into context and kind of like
settle me in for the rest of it.

1758
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,359
And then I went back to them
and I was like, I'm finding

1759
01:51:30,399 --> 01:51:32,439
more and more of each listen that
is actually like this is this is not

1760
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:36,439
as monotonous as my initial kind of
like thoughts. Yeah, And I guess,

1761
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:41,039
you know, it would be totally
you know, subjective what parts do

1762
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:44,880
that for you? Because you know
that song you mentioned there are a couple

1763
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,000
of like proper like stand out like
oh shit, the you know, the

1764
01:51:47,039 --> 01:51:49,439
heavens open moments on this. For
me, that song wasn't one of them,

1765
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:51,239
you know, but the people will, you know, it will happen

1766
01:51:51,319 --> 01:51:55,279
for people. But I was gonna
say, like the records are monotonous,

1767
01:51:55,359 --> 01:52:00,479
right, they make really strange experimental
records the kind of do mostly the same

1768
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:05,399
thing all the way through, but
they are about making this like gargantuan inhuman

1769
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:09,560
sound, and they've almost like,
you know, they developed their own kind

1770
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,159
of musical language to do it.
And it has the effect where like there's

1771
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:14,960
a I can't remem which one it
is. I think it's the second to

1772
01:52:15,039 --> 01:52:17,720
last song or around there. There's
like a nine minute thirty second song on

1773
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:23,600
this record from memory right now.
I have no idea what happens specifically in

1774
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:28,039
that song, but I know how
I was feeling, you know, That's

1775
01:52:28,079 --> 01:52:30,600
what I can't like. That's why
I picked up to see Deference, because

1776
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,159
that was when we're like there were
moments that did this you grabbed song as

1777
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:36,319
we're like, moments instally grabbed me. But I wasn't distracted. I wasn't

1778
01:52:36,399 --> 01:52:39,520
kind of looking at the like how
long is left of the song? I

1779
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,840
was kind of just there in the
moment, kind of just been like fuck

1780
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,000
what it like? This is like
the end of the world I'm listening to.

1781
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:48,319
In a way, it makes us
a really difficult album for review,

1782
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,279
considering it's one of the albums I
was really looking forward to and I really

1783
01:52:51,279 --> 01:52:55,720
wanted us to do one here.
I kind of didn't account for the challenge

1784
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:00,399
of knowing even how to discuss it, because normally you can on, oh,

1785
01:53:00,399 --> 01:53:01,279
this song sounds a bit like this, this song draws on this.

1786
01:53:01,399 --> 01:53:05,560
I hear some Blardie blow on this
track. Or if there's about Ulcrat who

1787
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:09,800
have kind of established their sound and
are trying new things with it, you

1788
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:12,600
can say, hey, you know
it's ulcer right, you know what to

1789
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,039
expect. You know, it's just
business as usual. And it's like,

1790
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,239
what is business as usual? There's
nothing usual about it? Like every song

1791
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:28,159
is this oppressive, violent, frightening
for a into some combination of I would

1792
01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:34,600
say postmel death metal and prog at
where the most atonal things can sound beautiful

1793
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:39,399
and the most if you want to
call it standard riff when they occasionally appear,

1794
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:45,239
sounds totally otherworldly. It's it's usual
in a place where none of the

1795
01:53:45,319 --> 01:53:48,199
usual rules apply. Yeah, and
the way the record like you know,

1796
01:53:48,359 --> 01:53:51,640
rolls in with to flow through ash
and hearts, there's a lot of those

1797
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:57,520
like you know, kind of gothic
sounding like clean passages and stuff that they

1798
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:00,079
kind of pop up throughout songs to
kind of center them and know there's almost

1799
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:02,159
like kind of they occupy that kind
of liminal space, you know, just

1800
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:05,359
unbelievably atmospheric. And I can listen
to that stuff for hours because it's like

1801
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:10,720
the record almost has this effect of
like lowering your heart rate, like a

1802
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:15,840
sort of quasi hibernating kind of state. It sounds fucking unbelievable. Like if

1803
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,000
you want to hear high quality,
extreme yet production, listen to this,

1804
01:54:19,039 --> 01:54:23,760
my god, Like every like strike
of a symbol is like it's echoing out

1805
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:29,000
in some like vast blackness. Magnus
Limberg from Cottle Luna involved in the mastering

1806
01:54:29,039 --> 01:54:30,000
on this, and he's done similar
work for Tribulation as well, so you

1807
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,640
can see, like, you know, it's the highly technical death metal band,

1808
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:35,319
but you can see what they're going
for that makes them different to any

1809
01:54:35,399 --> 01:54:39,600
number of you know those And when
a song like that open, it brings

1810
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,079
in its wall of death. Metally, it is a natural evolution of those

1811
01:54:42,119 --> 01:54:45,600
like clean melodies that were in there, and they create this tremendous wall of

1812
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:50,279
sound. But with that you know, slow controlling your breathing kind of idea

1813
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:54,279
at the heart of it, and
so it means that you know, the

1814
01:54:54,359 --> 01:55:00,199
songs become so insanely busy and frenetic
with like buzzing guitar parts in different lays

1815
01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:02,159
and stuff, which you know,
considering the fact I always have to remind

1816
01:55:02,199 --> 01:55:09,479
people that this is a three piece, is I'm not quote for a free

1817
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:13,079
piece. One of the most like
defised belief sounds of like the drummer is,

1818
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:16,840
without hyperbole, one of the like
elite guys in the world right now,

1819
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,119
Like he for me, like he's
next to TJ. Mint Armor in

1820
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:23,920
terms of like easily the most advanced
metal drummer right now, coming from the

1821
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,159
kind of more underground extreme sphere that
you would put next to your you know,

1822
01:55:27,479 --> 01:55:30,960
Marriadi Plantier's Elo Casa Grandez whatever on
that level. He and he's just

1823
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:35,319
fucking unbelievable, and he's like the
spotlight grabber that everyone goes to. But

1824
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:40,479
as a trio, every one of
them, like imagine if any one of

1825
01:55:40,479 --> 01:55:44,760
these guys left and they had to
recruit someone else to somehow understand what they

1826
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:47,159
do, like fucking nightmare, right, every one of them is a player

1827
01:55:47,159 --> 01:55:49,880
that you cannot replace. I guess
this feels like the sort of combination of

1828
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,840
like they've been a band for again, how long you said that they've been

1829
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,079
going twenty years? At this point. Yeah, yeah, so this is

1830
01:55:56,239 --> 01:55:58,359
this is like the combinations they've played
to him for so long. They have

1831
01:55:58,479 --> 01:56:01,199
really pushed each other, like the
limits of that, and now they're sort

1832
01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:04,199
of stretching him further. You so
this is kind of like this Obviously,

1833
01:56:04,199 --> 01:56:06,600
this is the one Altra album I've
heard. I have no context for anything

1834
01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:09,479
else. I want to go back
and listen to that previous one. If

1835
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:12,319
I was sort of saying, this
is like kind of following on from where

1836
01:56:12,319 --> 01:56:15,920
that kind of invent them, But
it does you feel like you can't replicate

1837
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:20,039
what each member is doing here.
They are like such a like unit of

1838
01:56:20,199 --> 01:56:25,560
just like sonic devastation, and trying
to pull one out and fit someone else

1839
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:29,560
in there. It would just feel
like this is you can't recreate the sort

1840
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,560
of power they're getting from it.
Yeah, I mean the vocalist is terrifying.

1841
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:34,560
He've got this really like horrible rattle
to his voice. That is,

1842
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,560
you know, for want of a
better word, it's very deathly, you

1843
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:41,840
know, kind of inhabiting these these
dark corners. The guitars are like just

1844
01:56:42,039 --> 01:56:45,399
riffing in a completely other realm to
what you would usually think of as death

1845
01:56:45,439 --> 01:56:47,439
metal. It's more. He's like
he's making balloon animals out of guitar notes

1846
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:51,319
or something, or like producing glasswork
or something. It's unbelievable because I was

1847
01:56:51,359 --> 01:56:56,079
like, does this kind of a
fit Like I saw some of the like

1848
01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:58,800
tech deaf, and I'm like,
this doesn't sound like technically like tech different

1849
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:02,039
anything like that I've ever heard,
because it's so against existing in its own

1850
01:57:02,079 --> 01:57:06,720
world. It's it's wild the way
the riff writing style that this band have.

1851
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:11,439
It's because there's certain things where you
think, if you're trained as a

1852
01:57:11,439 --> 01:57:14,560
guitarist, which you think you'd have
to be to be this good at the

1853
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:18,760
guitar, there's sort of rules that
get kind of woven into your playing where

1854
01:57:19,079 --> 01:57:23,600
to the point where you don't make
mistakes and they're not mistakes, but some

1855
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:28,760
of these rifts. It goes from
like open zero on the on the low

1856
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:32,800
e if is the lower, I
don't know, to fifteen on the high

1857
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,439
and it's just the way that he
goes. You're a riff around that,

1858
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,479
you think, no, that's those
notes are not to be played next to

1859
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:43,000
each other, these are this is
not where rifts come from. And yet

1860
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,199
he finds a way through that and
then Jamie on the drums, like I

1861
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:49,680
mean completely Ecko everything you said paring
about being one of the best metal drummers

1862
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:54,880
going. He's got that thing where
he plays with immense power, but it

1863
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,600
also sounds really lightfooted, which I
think is the mark of all the best

1864
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:00,800
metal drummers. And when you get
those guys to other and then with Paul

1865
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:04,399
who I mean you mentioned kind of
rastly toe into his voice, iwous think

1866
01:58:04,399 --> 01:58:08,760
he sounds a bit like if nordle
you if you're squeezing him too tight,

1867
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:12,520
Like every time he kind of exhales, he's kind of constricted a bit more

1868
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:16,600
and kind of physically it makes it
all sound quite suffocating. But the interplay

1869
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:20,680
between these guys, like even if
they weren't good songwriters, you kind of

1870
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:25,279
had to have to marvel at what
they're putting down. Yeah, Like people

1871
01:58:25,359 --> 01:58:27,720
use the word glacial a lot,
but this has the feel to me,

1872
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:30,199
particularly again on these records where they've
likely slow down their tempos of like something

1873
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:35,399
impenetrably vast, like slowly, you
know, creeping out across your view,

1874
01:58:35,479 --> 01:58:40,119
like how a glacier moves, and
they create like I came across a quote

1875
01:58:40,119 --> 01:58:43,039
from one of them where he was
saying, they're aiming to create a transcendent

1876
01:58:43,159 --> 01:58:45,359
sense of scale, and that's it, right, It's it's aiming and that

1877
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:49,880
is like that's like the pitch right
there, transcendent sense of It's like we're

1878
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:55,920
going to manufacture a sonic landscape that
is so vast through this like hyper technical

1879
01:58:55,960 --> 01:59:00,000
dissonant death metal somehow that it goes
like beyond you as a physical body,

1880
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:01,640
you know, and in creating this
kind of sense of grander you know,

1881
01:59:02,359 --> 01:59:04,560
or and in terms of what you're
saying, like, you know, is

1882
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:06,840
this even deafnitely? I think they're
one of the only bands to have really

1883
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:12,319
evolved the idea of like technical or
dissonant death metal into like a totally new

1884
01:59:12,319 --> 01:59:16,479
emotional possibility if it's as well,
because like technical death metal is some of

1885
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:20,479
the most emotionally cold, dull music
to me that that that I don't connect

1886
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:25,239
with. There is emotion to this, There is so much emotion through all

1887
01:59:25,279 --> 01:59:28,159
of this, and that again,
that's where this is grabbing and kind of

1888
01:59:28,159 --> 01:59:30,159
gone like yeah, settling in.
Yeah, the appeal is more like listening

1889
01:59:30,199 --> 01:59:32,479
to a Neurosis record or something like
that, where it's kind of just sort

1890
01:59:32,479 --> 01:59:36,079
of you know, absorbs you as
a body and does weird things to your

1891
01:59:36,079 --> 01:59:40,119
state of mind. And for me, the big like the moments of like

1892
01:59:40,119 --> 01:59:41,960
Payoff, where I go, ah, fuck, it all comes together.

1893
01:59:43,159 --> 01:59:45,000
You know, I'm floating away in
some other death metal realm or something.

1894
01:59:45,039 --> 01:59:47,239
I don't know where I am what's
going on, but there are select moments

1895
01:59:47,239 --> 01:59:49,560
where, like it's often towards the
end of a song, they'll bring it

1896
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:53,520
all together with like a riff or
a part that just seems to like push

1897
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:56,840
it through a specific wall. And
those are like a couple of my favorite

1898
01:59:56,840 --> 02:00:00,560
moments of metal on a record this
year. One of them is in Further

1899
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:03,359
Opening the Wounds, which is a
very you know, busy, ever flowing

1900
02:00:03,359 --> 02:00:06,399
song like they all are, that
has some of the sort of cool thrash

1901
02:00:06,439 --> 02:00:10,479
breaks in there that you were talking
about Sam as well, but the rift

1902
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:14,880
that really like sends that song another
level in the last two minutes almost like

1903
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:16,920
sits on like a backbeat or something
for one of the rare times on the

1904
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:21,319
record it just locks in so hard. And then the title track right at

1905
02:00:21,359 --> 02:00:24,720
the end of the record, which
at that point you know you've been in

1906
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:28,119
the sort of swirling abyss for so
long, You're lost, You're dizzy,

1907
02:00:28,199 --> 02:00:30,960
But something about that opening rift of
the title track just kind of snaps me

1908
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,399
in for like one last go on
the record, and then the rift that

1909
02:00:34,399 --> 02:00:39,920
that arrives at about the six minute
mark and the vocalist does the only vocal

1910
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:44,119
hook on the entire record when he
does the cutting dark throat, Oh god,

1911
02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:47,359
and it slides over the edge into
that like spine tingling, little hooky

1912
02:00:47,399 --> 02:00:51,560
guitar part. It's extraordinary, Like
the climax the end of that closing track

1913
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:56,600
again that it is almostly they kind
of like recent you in and mean that

1914
02:00:56,600 --> 02:01:00,600
this again fifty five minute however long
the album like never feels like I'm kind

1915
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:03,319
of likely. I never felt like
I was clock watching I was looking at

1916
02:01:03,319 --> 02:01:06,319
the time. I was like I
was just so much and then like I

1917
02:01:06,359 --> 02:01:09,119
don't know how long this record is. Alf the time, I was like

1918
02:01:09,159 --> 02:01:12,359
weird temporal feel of like I'm just
suspended something that's something so that's me I

1919
02:01:12,479 --> 02:01:15,039
like, and that like I'm I'm
so often want to lean into like oh,

1920
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:17,640
you know I was doing. But
I just never felt that because it

1921
02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:21,000
was either like really immersive or then
there would just be a moment that's kind

1922
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:26,920
of goes listen to this and kind
of just basking its glory, and that

1923
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:30,880
that final crescendo on that closing track
is like one of that A plus moments

1924
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:33,960
on the record. Ye. I
mean, I've made almost no notes about

1925
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:36,880
the actual music on this record,
like going song by song, because it's

1926
02:01:38,399 --> 02:01:43,000
in a way how do you sum
it up, Like each song is that

1927
02:01:43,039 --> 02:01:45,439
not one song goes below seven minutes. There's no room here for anything really

1928
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:50,279
quick and to the point, every
song is this kind of singular journey into

1929
02:01:50,319 --> 02:01:57,479
some hellish miasma, and if you're
up for it, they're delivering you.

1930
02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:00,000
I mean, like the moments I
did pick out we've already spoken about,

1931
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:05,199
like this record is the wave of
view and Alstra record seems to be they

1932
02:02:05,239 --> 02:02:09,079
do this one thing. Have they
done it again? Yes or no?

1933
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:14,680
And the answer, you know,
thankfully and predictably is yes. Yeah.

1934
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,600
I mean I think you know obviously
the last record was when they've kind of

1935
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:18,600
changed it up a little b anyway, Oh cool, there is a you

1936
02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:21,680
know, they're finding any possiblities here
and this one, you know, continue

1937
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:25,159
to go through the door that that
one opened again. Those two moments I

1938
02:02:25,199 --> 02:02:27,920
mentioned are like the stand up bits, which I've been going back to like

1939
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:30,840
again and again. But it is
about the overall experience and it's this is

1940
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:33,279
just like Olympic level heavy music,
isn't It's like, you know, whether

1941
02:02:33,319 --> 02:02:36,479
it's you know, for you or
not, you just have to admire it

1942
02:02:36,479 --> 02:02:41,359
because like, no chancer can come
in and make this record. It's unbelievably

1943
02:02:41,399 --> 02:02:45,119
committed artists and you kind of have
to have like the mental training to be

1944
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,800
able to go to the record as
well. But you know, I've been

1945
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:50,720
able to go with it, so
I don't know if it is like as

1946
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:55,239
I don't think this is nearly as
challenging as someone like Imperial Triumphant. I

1947
02:02:55,239 --> 02:02:59,159
think there is okay, a like
maybe maybe it is, but there is

1948
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:03,359
there was again something I could immerse
myself into on this record and have like

1949
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:09,039
and really come to appreciate it,
whereas like some of those other albums sometimes

1950
02:03:09,079 --> 02:03:12,520
like the Evans Pursues You Appeal Triumphant, they just may me kind of going

1951
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:15,520
please make it stop. Yeah,
this record is you know also in general

1952
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:18,720
as about that kind of sort of
you know, obliterative quality of death.

1953
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:24,439
You know, it demands everything of
you it will exhaust you this record,

1954
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:28,880
but it's the kind of thing that
only heavy music is particularly equipped to explore,

1955
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,279
and that is cutting the throat of
God from Ulcer eight. Next up

1956
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:38,039
is Crypt Sermon and the Stygian Rose, a first T and M appearance,

1957
02:03:38,079 --> 02:03:40,760
I think for this band. Although
some of you may be familiar if you're

1958
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:44,039
been kind of following doom and sort
of traditional heavy metal in the last decade

1959
02:03:44,119 --> 02:03:45,840
or so, Crypt Sermon are one
of the main names in the kind of

1960
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,920
revival of sort of trad doom that
we've seen in you know, particular sort

1961
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:53,079
of post Paul Bearer years. They
have two albums prior to this one,

1962
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:56,680
both of them rather good, but
five years apart, and I think,

1963
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:58,560
you know, the landscape of the
music has sort of come on a bit

1964
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:00,720
more since then as well. This
album for me was the first time and

1965
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:03,439
it selt like a bit of an
event release for them, Like in that

1966
02:04:03,479 --> 02:04:05,840
circle of the underground, it feels
like, you know, people have expectations

1967
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:10,960
of them. They have become quite
respected, like the likes of you know,

1968
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:14,159
Chemists or Spirit A Drift whatever.
Some of them play in some other

1969
02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:16,840
you know, prominent bands in the
underground. The bassist Matt Knox plays in

1970
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,840
the Wonderful Horrendous, his his second
record on the show Within It When in

1971
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:24,560
the Year Here, the keyboardist plays
in Obsequii, and this album, The

1972
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:28,640
Stygian Rose, has received some rave
reviews in kind of circles of like,

1973
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:31,239
you know, epic heavy metal appreciators. I believe he've got a ten out

1974
02:04:31,279 --> 02:04:36,119
of ten in Decibel magazine, and
if you like epic doom metal, I

1975
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:39,720
would imagine that this would be the
record to beat this year. So I

1976
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:43,159
thought I would ask you guys what
you thought about it. I was really

1977
02:04:43,279 --> 02:04:45,520
just like worried when I was searing
playing this, and then the moment that

1978
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,960
riff kicks in on Glimbers of the
Underwe, I was like, all right,

1979
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,600
no, cool bucket, let's go. We're worried. But every time

1980
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:53,439
we talk about a heavy metal record, you're like, oh, I actually

1981
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:56,479
really like this. No no,
but I was. I knew nothing about

1982
02:04:56,479 --> 02:04:59,720
it that I was kind of expecting
really slow, ponderous doom, and I

1983
02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:02,840
was its gonna be like, uh
was gonna be like that. This is

1984
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:06,039
like I have come sorry around.
But that's why I love this, because

1985
02:05:06,119 --> 02:05:08,840
I meanly hit played. It was
heavy metal, and I was kind of

1986
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:12,359
like, oh wicked, Like when
it was called Krypton and that I didn't

1987
02:05:12,399 --> 02:05:15,000
Again, the band of knew nothing
about, so I we haven't gotf of

1988
02:05:15,319 --> 02:05:16,399
But the moment the heavy metal star, I was like, yeah, no,

1989
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:19,680
parent has just got me back into
my heavy metal phase. And I

1990
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:24,279
had a great time with this.
Like but again, there is it's not

1991
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:28,920
just kind of like just so there
is like the kind of more like doomy

1992
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:31,800
stuff in there. There's like big
gothic melodies and all that sort of shit,

1993
02:05:32,119 --> 02:05:36,079
But all of that coming together with
like just big heavy metal rocking guitar

1994
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:40,680
leads and all that sort of stuff, this is a great time. Yeah.

1995
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,600
So like the thing that when I
saw this rockle getting loads of buzz,

1996
02:05:44,479 --> 02:05:45,760
everyone seems to be leading with the
doom things. So when I saw

1997
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,359
that we were doing, I kind
of thought, I'm I've not really been

1998
02:05:47,359 --> 02:05:51,560
in the mood for doing recently.
The Sun's out grilling music. It's not

1999
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:55,159
really a grilling music. And I
saw that it was six songs in forty

2000
02:05:55,159 --> 02:05:57,439
five minutes, and I thought,
okay, this month, that was what

2001
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:59,720
worried me. Six songs in forty
five minutes. I was like, oh

2002
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:02,159
God, damn it, Perrin.
But the moment for me was when the

2003
02:06:02,199 --> 02:06:08,159
Spotify profile picture came up. I
thought the boots, the boots, but

2004
02:06:08,279 --> 02:06:12,079
also there's six of them, which
means one of these lads is going to

2005
02:06:12,119 --> 02:06:16,279
be on keys, which means we
are gonna have a good time because it's

2006
02:06:16,279 --> 02:06:20,199
not gonna be Frank Delgado, Jordan
Fish atmospherics. We're gonna have keys,

2007
02:06:21,279 --> 02:06:27,439
keys, boys. And I was
already pleased at that, and then when

2008
02:06:27,439 --> 02:06:31,600
this thing came on, it just
blew past all those expectations because this thing

2009
02:06:32,119 --> 02:06:38,000
is sick. It's well good.
I certainly like you know what you were

2010
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:40,600
saying about the kind of sam are
the really slow, ponderous or whatever?

2011
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,920
You know, we reviewed the new
poll Bar record recently. If that record

2012
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:46,720
has like gone over into the much
too sort of you know, soft side

2013
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:50,079
of that for you, You've definitely
got to check this out if you like

2014
02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:54,960
Candle Mass, particularly if you like
the kind of cult bands, Solitude of

2015
02:06:55,039 --> 02:06:59,199
Turnus and that kind of sort of
nineties continuation of that like eighties epic doom

2016
02:06:59,279 --> 02:07:01,439
sound. Although if you are a
Solitude Turners fan, I imagine you're already

2017
02:07:01,479 --> 02:07:05,399
all over this band, but like
they've gone like proper epic doom on this

2018
02:07:05,439 --> 02:07:09,920
one. They've gotten darker, they've
gotten heavier than they were before. I

2019
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:13,199
think, you know, some bands
on the kind of heavy met revival thing,

2020
02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:15,479
like Smolder for example, who you
know we've spoken very fondly in the

2021
02:07:15,479 --> 02:07:18,680
past. They kind of started off
doomia and they've gone a little bit more

2022
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:23,359
sort of triumphant on the more kind
of rousing side. Cripsomon. I think

2023
02:07:23,399 --> 02:07:26,760
here have found what really suits them, which is that like candle massy and

2024
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:32,119
darkness and that like epic sensibility with
really fucking spooky you know, ter range.

2025
02:07:32,119 --> 02:07:34,960
The fact there's a song here called
Scrying Orb, which is of course

2026
02:07:35,079 --> 02:07:39,960
essentially the same as the Candlemass song
Crystal Ball, right, the same thing,

2027
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:44,319
but it's that kind of you know, exploring a dark library, pulling

2028
02:07:44,319 --> 02:07:47,640
out cursed, dusty tomes, that
haunted sound. It's really nice to have

2029
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:51,920
someone doing that so well at the
same time as we also have Eternal Champion

2030
02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:55,960
whoever else doing the swords out stuff, even if it's all part of the

2031
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:59,760
same kind of you know, complimentary
sphere. I mean, like Scrying Orb,

2032
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:03,640
when has that the full on like
eighties fantasy synth going full creepshow vibes,

2033
02:08:03,880 --> 02:08:07,800
like well, you know, I
think I'm more like like eighties fantasy

2034
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:09,800
movies and that's all thing going on, like some of the like creeping around

2035
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:13,000
the dusty like yeah, like cobwebs
adorning everything. Like I'm surprised you said

2036
02:08:13,039 --> 02:08:16,079
this is them going dark heavier,
because like that is definitely like a flavor

2037
02:08:16,119 --> 02:08:18,479
of that is really cool. It's
pretty fucking heavy, isn't it. Like

2038
02:08:18,479 --> 02:08:22,840
the tone is nasty, but it
is so triumphant and epic at the same

2039
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:26,960
time. Like again, like the
openings on this is He's got this great

2040
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:30,720
big year at the start off at
the vocalist like proper rockstar Coriisma on the

2041
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:37,079
vocalist, and that combined with the
like darker doomia bits just kind of makes

2042
02:08:37,119 --> 02:08:43,680
it like again like really like say
heavy but really catchy and absorbing and fun.

2043
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:46,439
But we are, you know,
at the end of scrying or when

2044
02:08:46,439 --> 02:08:48,319
it goes we are demons in the
darkiet angels and the light. It feels

2045
02:08:48,319 --> 02:08:52,159
a bit we are the world like
lighters in the air swaying to the music,

2046
02:08:52,199 --> 02:08:56,000
which is not why I expect to
find myself doing when I put the

2047
02:08:56,079 --> 02:08:58,840
record on, and like you said, I do think that this is my

2048
02:09:00,039 --> 02:09:03,720
rock, a step darker than a
lot of their contemporaries. But I think

2049
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:09,840
their flair for still being triumphant and
upbeat does kind of stop this from being

2050
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:15,079
not not single handly, but it
helps prevents it from feeling like a dirge.

2051
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:18,880
I get the thrill of this of
a great heavy metal record as well

2052
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:20,760
as a great doom record. Yeah, I mean basically what's happening on the

2053
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:26,439
Fantasy character creation screen. They've selected
the wizard class rather than the barbarian,

2054
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:28,960
right, But yeah, but that
doesn't mean it doesn't rip, right.

2055
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:33,119
Wizards can rip too. And you
know the first track, Glimbs in the

2056
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:37,520
Underworld, Storming at the Gates,
loads of like andula roche king diamond vibes,

2057
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,199
impeccable league guitars, quintessential heavy metal. The way they brilliantly switched from

2058
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:46,079
that into that mammoth doom gait,
I mean heavy is the crown of bone,

2059
02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:50,199
fucking heavy like with that you know
tone when that verse riff hits fucking

2060
02:09:50,279 --> 02:09:54,159
wo. But you know there's some
really wonderful delicate bass playing as well,

2061
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:56,720
like Semi Basso at that point.
But you mentioned about, you know,

2062
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,640
the singer having this rock star thing. Yeah. Absolutely. In that first

2063
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:05,159
track, the way he goes raiding
raising chariots is amazing. And those years

2064
02:10:05,159 --> 02:10:07,399
he mentioned in the back to you
in Scrying Orb and stuff like that,

2065
02:10:07,399 --> 02:10:11,880
there are like big, like rockstar
vocal hooks that I think are just really

2066
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:16,640
fun. But he's just doing like
you know, Una Shamed heavy metal wizardship,

2067
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:18,039
and he's and he's flexing with it, and it's great and he's he's

2068
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:22,800
done very well at adopting that lane
of like high drama like you know,

2069
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:28,199
eighties nineties heavy metal, Bravados,
spell weaving, and he gives you know,

2070
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:31,000
big present in the chorus as you
know, like Glimmers in the Underworld,

2071
02:10:31,079 --> 02:10:33,640
these big like life or death kind
of proclamations that I love in you

2072
02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:39,640
know, Candle Mass and bands like
that. Yeah, And I think one

2073
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:43,600
of the things I really like about
Struggles, even though it's fairly laid back

2074
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:48,439
temper wise, it sometimes feels like
the band are playing at three times the

2075
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:52,359
speed within the tempo, like that
Glimmers of the Underworld. Every time there's

2076
02:10:52,399 --> 02:10:56,079
a frill or a flourish, it's
like they've tried to crawm thirty seconds of

2077
02:10:56,119 --> 02:11:01,680
nonsense into a second and a half, and it's like they want to play

2078
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:05,159
the song so much faster, and
again, I think it makes those those

2079
02:11:05,239 --> 02:11:11,520
moments which to some people they might
find a bit sort of cumbersome and unexciting,

2080
02:11:11,239 --> 02:11:16,520
It just injects a kind of flare
and fire into them that I think

2081
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:20,880
prevents it from feeling that way.
I means, what like the keys another

2082
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:26,479
one like on a song like Please
Thunder perfect Mind, when the piano's coming

2083
02:11:26,479 --> 02:11:30,840
at the end of that, it
just again just adds this real like flare

2084
02:11:30,920 --> 02:11:33,880
and drama to it. That means
that the song that is like like a

2085
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:35,600
bit slower and a bit more doing
it. It never feels kind of like

2086
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:39,479
stodgy and sort of one note there
again you got that as above so below

2087
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:43,000
bit like big vocal hooks in there, and then there's these like big just

2088
02:11:43,039 --> 02:11:46,359
like gothic theater sort of coming to
life of coross this album, like of

2089
02:11:46,359 --> 02:11:50,760
course that song in particular, and
it just means that there is always something

2090
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:52,600
to sort of spice it up and
never feel like it's too much of a

2091
02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:56,760
dirt. Yeah, Down in the
Hollow, has this really creepy prog intro,

2092
02:11:58,119 --> 02:12:01,640
but then it hits this like all
our awesome metal rift and they do

2093
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:03,359
this thing really well of like you
know, balancing that kind of swirling atmosphere

2094
02:12:03,359 --> 02:12:07,159
with just like really catchy metal hooks, and there's like basically a doom metal

2095
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:11,000
breakdown in that song, like it
proper like crunches at the end there,

2096
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:16,720
and you feel like they know the
tricks right, like they understand the language

2097
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:20,039
of how this music works. They
adopt this brilliant thing that again, Candle

2098
02:12:20,039 --> 02:12:26,119
Mass use a lot of like vaguely
ancient egypt sounding like Phrygian mode stuff in

2099
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:28,920
their guitar riffs to give it this
like really grand imposing kind of sound.

2100
02:12:30,399 --> 02:12:33,560
Sort of late period death use that
a lot as well, and you hear

2101
02:12:33,600 --> 02:12:35,960
it in the rifts here, like
Thunder and Scrying Orb. It's got that

2102
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:39,600
flavor in there, and Thunder's also
got a bit of like weird almost like

2103
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:43,880
kind of disembowelment spectral voice, like
dissonant death doom guitars like clean guitars in

2104
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:46,800
the background as well, But the
main riff is that pure like nineteen eighty

2105
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:52,640
seven trad doom. You know,
the heaviness I think it's one of those

2106
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:56,560
great records that feels like very scholarly
of its chosen lane. You know,

2107
02:12:56,720 --> 02:12:58,439
they've they've they've pulled out the book
from the library, they've done the reading,

2108
02:12:58,439 --> 02:13:01,960
they know what to do. They've
gone to Doom University and they've written

2109
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:05,520
their dissertation. And this is what
it sounds like. You know, clearly

2110
02:13:05,560 --> 02:13:09,640
excellent musicians that have you know,
the trips of all those great bands live

2111
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:13,600
on in this. They feel like
very natural airs to all of that stuff.

2112
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:18,920
Yeah, and I think there's there
are moments on this for quite a

2113
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:22,359
few of them where they do go
kind of above and beyond that. I

2114
02:13:22,399 --> 02:13:26,920
think the title track, the eleven
minute closer, I think as far as

2115
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:33,039
I doom inflected heavy metal song goes, it's pretty much perfect. Like there's

2116
02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:37,159
opening chords on the piano do sound
sublime, and the way they kind of

2117
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:41,359
juxtapos out with those evil synth stabs
and then that giving way to an almighty

2118
02:13:41,439 --> 02:13:43,159
riff. And again, I don't
know if there's a musical theory term for,

2119
02:13:43,399 --> 02:13:48,880
but one of those kind of newly
rainbow style riffs come in. I'm

2120
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:52,159
just I'm just a sucker for it. I kind of can't help it.

2121
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:56,279
And I mean for that song,
for the whole eleven minutes, there's so

2122
02:13:56,399 --> 02:14:01,960
many brilliant throwaway lead lines and the
wait each if Trash transitions into the next

2123
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:05,000
one, so well, I think, yeah, like you say, scholarly

2124
02:14:05,079 --> 02:14:09,920
might be the right word, but
I think there's a bit more. There's

2125
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:13,640
a lot of strike away for us. It's more flair and excitement than that

2126
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:16,359
might suggest. Yeah, yeah,
no, I think that's the thing that

2127
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:20,600
just kept me, Like again,
even in the the like perhaps two epic

2128
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:24,920
eleven minute closer like there is there
were just there's there was always something like

2129
02:14:26,199 --> 02:14:30,560
a guitar like line that was sort
of insuring a corpiano to there just there

2130
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:33,840
was a sense of like just like
we need, like we can do something

2131
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:37,159
cool and attention grabbing. So it
never feels like we're drifting too much off

2132
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:39,720
into like sort of like a dirge
or like a drawn out passage. It

2133
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:43,920
never it never felt drawn out,
dull or anything like that, because it

2134
02:14:43,039 --> 02:14:46,960
just there's just always something like to
spice it up. Yeah, we need

2135
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:50,960
to get Sam to listen to Nightfall
by Candle Mass or an album. Oh

2136
02:14:50,039 --> 02:14:54,039
yes, At some point I need
to stop saying I like these albums because

2137
02:14:54,520 --> 02:14:58,720
coming out like old ones that I
will likely I'll have to stop pretending I'm

2138
02:14:58,720 --> 02:15:03,680
abu all this stuff. Yeah,
excellent records. Check it out if you

2139
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:07,920
like big riffs. And lastly we
are going to go to Blind Girls and

2140
02:15:07,960 --> 02:15:13,680
a record called an Exit exists.
Another Australian band a big reviews episode for

2141
02:15:13,720 --> 02:15:18,000
the Continent of Oceana Sam This one
was all you who are Blind Girls?

2142
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:22,239
So they were a band I discovered
the day this album came out. When

2143
02:15:22,279 --> 02:15:24,960
I was just kind of like I
was like just because someone was like,

2144
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,640
oh, scream o band, I
was like, okay, cool, I'll

2145
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:30,399
give us some one. And then
like, so they're an Australian scream o

2146
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,479
band that says you're like emo violence, whatever, like people want to brand

2147
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:37,760
it as these days, but like
I just kind of like stumbled across this

2148
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,239
the day it came out, listen
to it and was immediately kind of captured

2149
02:15:41,319 --> 02:15:46,239
by the sound of what they're doing. It is this is like really emotionally

2150
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:52,560
fraught, horrid, intense kind of
noise and nothing pleasant about this. This

2151
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:54,800
is like you like when we say
screamo, like wait talking about the really

2152
02:15:54,840 --> 02:16:00,119
like page and I'm like horrible sounding
kind of sort of stuff like, and

2153
02:16:00,119 --> 02:16:03,359
that's what Blind Girls are sort of
throwing back to. Is that kind of

2154
02:16:03,399 --> 02:16:05,920
like scream of like the sort of
naughties and that sort of time. But

2155
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:09,000
yeah, No, this was just
when I was like, I think this

2156
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:11,600
is really cool. I kind of
want to, you know, talk about

2157
02:16:11,600 --> 02:16:13,439
it a little bit. I don't
know if anyone else is gonna like go

2158
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:18,319
this quite as much as I have, but it's a like really emostly pained

2159
02:16:18,359 --> 02:16:22,159
record. The Vocus and she talked
about how she wrote this like in between

2160
02:16:22,279 --> 02:16:24,439
the sort of abusive relationships of that, and it's her kind of just channeling

2161
02:16:26,119 --> 02:16:30,680
that pain into twenty two minutes of
just horrible noise. Yeah, you know

2162
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:33,440
the terminology, you know, something
like emo violence, like you know,

2163
02:16:33,479 --> 02:16:35,920
I know from the olden days,
you know, I know about you know,

2164
02:16:35,079 --> 02:16:37,799
Orchid and page ninety nine and stuff. But it's not a genre that

2165
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:43,319
I know a Tremendous'm not an expert
on like the current names and where it's

2166
02:16:43,360 --> 02:16:46,440
at. I think I guess the
closest we've spoken about heavily on the show

2167
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:50,079
is probably the like portrayer guilt.
Yeah, who kind of sit at that

2168
02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:54,959
weird confluence of like scream oh and
hardcore and death metal and classical chamber music.

2169
02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:58,719
On the last album, you know, bits of like early converge as

2170
02:16:58,719 --> 02:17:00,440
well. I'd have a little bit
of that in there. But you know,

2171
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:01,000
as a sound, you know,
I like it. You know,

2172
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:07,760
this thing is horrid and very upsetting
Elliott's I think this kind of emo scremo

2173
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:09,040
stuff is a bit of sort of
a pet genre of yours, right,

2174
02:17:09,680 --> 02:17:13,319
Oh yeah, I mean I can't
listen to it for too long without getting

2175
02:17:13,319 --> 02:17:16,799
a bit glob Well, luckily it
isn't too long. I don't think you

2176
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:20,040
can listen to this too long because
it is like it is bleak, like

2177
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:24,479
like it's almost like the kind of
like the Yinni Yang and the also which

2178
02:17:24,520 --> 02:17:26,239
is like that is like this like
horrid bleak sort of epic, and this

2179
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:31,520
is kind of like the condensed kind
of just like much more basic but still

2180
02:17:31,559 --> 02:17:35,920
just kind of like emotionally exhausting.
Listen. Yeah, I mean, I

2181
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:37,079
can go on about this for a
while, but I think it's tragic what

2182
02:17:37,159 --> 02:17:41,559
happened to the term screamo, the
fact it became a pejorative because you think

2183
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:46,079
emo with screams Screamer. It's perfect, and now we have to call it

2184
02:17:46,079 --> 02:17:50,639
what emo violence. It's embarrassing.
But like emo violence I still think is

2185
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:54,200
a pretty good term in terms of
having to rebrand in it like a genre

2186
02:17:54,239 --> 02:17:58,239
to something with a worse name.
I think certain nettle genres have certainly gone

2187
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:03,559
you know, the world through than
emo violence. It just doesn't sound like,

2188
02:18:03,319 --> 02:18:07,280
I mean, it's stupid. I
have a teacher's nord vestigal violence on

2189
02:18:07,319 --> 02:18:11,079
it, so, I I mean, emo violence sounds like one that was

2190
02:18:11,239 --> 02:18:13,000
invented because we needed to come like
the one needed to come up a new

2191
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:16,040
name. And it's the metallic hardcore
to metal core of Screamo, isn't it

2192
02:18:16,120 --> 02:18:20,479
yah? You know yeah? Fully
is that like like it's always like arbitrary,

2193
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:22,559
but like I get it. It'd
be like if you're in the marketing

2194
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:24,200
team for that would be a name
that got thrown around and you go out

2195
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:26,399
that put then the maybe pilot.
Then someone says screamer and you go,

2196
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:30,239
okay, yeah, no, forget
that. But either way, the fact

2197
02:18:30,239 --> 02:18:35,360
it was just a pejorative for so
long and it kind of disguised bands like

2198
02:18:35,520 --> 02:18:39,920
Orchid Page ninety nine, Saytia Lobo
preet or whatever. They kind of they

2199
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didn't have a home that was respected
because it was all just Screamer, which

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is well, that's designed the skyline, isn't it. And it feels like

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in the last like maybe six or
seven years that started to switch back and

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02:18:52,520 --> 02:18:56,120
now revival on like yeah, like
you proudly be a Screamer band. And

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02:18:56,159 --> 02:19:01,600
I think I still think it's underrated
as a star when it comes to producing

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02:19:01,079 --> 02:19:05,200
harrowing music because things like black metal
and death metal those are kind of shortcuts

2205
02:19:05,239 --> 02:19:09,520
to extremity or like grindcorets anything like
that. But when Screamer has done well,

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02:19:11,159 --> 02:19:15,840
it can be about as alarming and
devastating as any form of alternative music.

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02:19:15,879 --> 02:19:18,840
And I'd never heard of Blind Girls
before it was picked for this month's

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02:19:18,840 --> 02:19:24,079
review show. But I'm always thrilled
when a new screamer band come on to

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02:19:24,159 --> 02:19:28,879
my radar and yeah, this is
so up my street, like noisy,

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upsetting screamer that draws on things like
Slint and Jesus Lizard and portrayal of guilt,

2211
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:41,760
just sign me up. Yeah,
her scream on this there is like

2212
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:46,479
and he's just the most feral noise
a person that making that there's no efforts

2213
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:52,520
can like do a proper metal scream. She is just like wailing and like

2214
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:56,559
exising every bit of pain over,
just like violent stabby music with the very

2215
02:19:56,600 --> 02:20:01,479
odd occasional kind of like molodic lime
thrown in for a few seconds. Yes,

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twelve tracks, many of which are
like one minute something, many of

2217
02:20:05,159 --> 02:20:11,319
which are you know, very uncomfortable
dissonance actually named obviously weird spider ifs.

2218
02:20:11,319 --> 02:20:16,760
And the vocals like at first they're
almost like the body levels of ah.

2219
02:20:16,079 --> 02:20:20,520
But you know she does these things
where vocal parts kind of tail off into

2220
02:20:20,559 --> 02:20:24,719
like you know, sobbing, moaning, you know, very unsettling, you

2221
02:20:24,719 --> 02:20:26,239
know, saying I like it would
be the wrong word, but you know

2222
02:20:26,239 --> 02:20:30,040
they have an effect. They make
you feel fun. Yeah, and it's

2223
02:20:30,120 --> 02:20:31,920
very you know, skin peeling,
and I do I like the parts on

2224
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:35,840
this where considering it is such a
you know, at it violent record,

2225
02:20:37,239 --> 02:20:39,000
some of my favorite parts in it
are when it kind of detours into like

2226
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:43,840
proper just like sorrow, just like
you know that the mid part of Blendished

2227
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:48,520
Memory, which goes fully like you
know, I'm crying in a dark room

2228
02:20:48,559 --> 02:20:52,319
with the curtains closed and there's a
horrible rancid smell somewhere undetectable in the room.

2229
02:20:52,440 --> 02:20:56,840
There's a real like ebb and flow
of sort of anger and distress.

2230
02:20:56,840 --> 02:20:58,760
I supposed you'd call it like the
way the songs move, They kind of

2231
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:01,200
move her state a lot of the
times, like when she is crumbling,

2232
02:21:01,399 --> 02:21:05,319
the song crumbles, when the song
is, when she is flying the song

2233
02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:09,680
flies. Less than three is like
nearly three whole minutes, and it feels

2234
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:11,479
like, oh my god, this
one's like, you know, standing around

2235
02:21:11,479 --> 02:21:16,959
a while, but it has you
know, again those that real passages to

2236
02:21:16,079 --> 02:21:20,479
it, Lilac as well. It's
got some like panic card galore stuff in

2237
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:24,559
there, but it's also really pretty
and very very sad. Yeah, for

2238
02:21:24,559 --> 02:21:28,079
real, I think like loveless beginning
like again, it's like really queezing,

2239
02:21:28,319 --> 02:21:31,760
creeping, and again you're like the
mood of the music does just kind of

2240
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:35,479
fit up her, Like I think
like vocally, the most affetive moments are

2241
02:21:35,479 --> 02:21:37,879
when's less in the kind of like
really hints screams, and it is those

2242
02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:41,040
kind of like just sobbing and kind
of like it reminds me of again,

2243
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:43,639
Like I'm not going to say it's
on the level of that, but like

2244
02:21:43,239 --> 02:21:46,360
oh freak are rail When like Carau
goes like the more kind of like just

2245
02:21:46,440 --> 02:21:50,840
like wailing pained moments like that,
there's a feeling of that kind of similar

2246
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:56,719
approach where like this is just like
on this moment of the song led all

2247
02:21:56,799 --> 02:22:01,040
the real emotion and like even if
it sounds like wrong and how the scream

2248
02:22:01,079 --> 02:22:05,840
comes out, that's the like real
feeling in that moment and it like captured

2249
02:22:05,879 --> 02:22:09,280
that, and the music again just
compliments it really nicely. Yeah, I

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02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:15,200
thought about that, Uh make me
nothing. Yeah, the sludgy darkness in

2251
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:18,319
that riff made me think about like
where I live from Raya with that kind

2252
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:22,680
of again hot horror show tearing itself
apart. Forts on the top you mentioned

2253
02:22:22,920 --> 02:22:26,760
Loveless. Loveless maybe my favorite track
on this, which again transitions at the

2254
02:22:26,799 --> 02:22:28,719
first track really well with that kind
of skin crawly guitar. There's just loads

2255
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:35,000
of that. You know, the
way one track slips into another is kind

2256
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:37,959
of a highlight of it. But
really when they bring out that kind of

2257
02:22:37,959 --> 02:22:39,959
you know, more atmospheric element on
there is really well done. And it's

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02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,920
sonically super well recorded as well,
which I feel they need to point out

2259
02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:46,840
because like the difference between this and
you know screamo and emo violence back in

2260
02:22:46,840 --> 02:22:50,559
the day, right, Like this
is extreme, but it's also very high

2261
02:22:50,559 --> 02:22:52,639
fidelity, and you know, listening
with headphones on, you can really feel

2262
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:56,520
the kind of cool warring, you
know, strange parts going on. The

2263
02:22:56,559 --> 02:23:01,239
guitars are really warped and mangled and
loveless. Has I guess what you'd call

2264
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:05,719
a breakdown, but it has like
the strings of being hacked at it so

2265
02:23:05,479 --> 02:23:09,559
discordantly. It's like some kind of
machine surgery or something. And I really

2266
02:23:09,639 --> 02:23:13,200
love that. And yeah, in
terms of the recording songs like less than

2267
02:23:13,239 --> 02:23:16,280
Three, which is that's when we
actually have some like these almost like twinkly

2268
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:18,879
emo guitar melodies. Is this kind
of like brief a spite in the middle

2269
02:23:18,879 --> 02:23:22,520
of it, where again they you
get those moments that can actually they can

2270
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:26,879
kind of shine through because of the
higher quality, and then the album will

2271
02:23:26,959 --> 02:23:31,159
just tear them apart in the final
sort of part of that song, like

2272
02:23:31,159 --> 02:23:33,840
like it just means that like the
push and paar of the elements, it

2273
02:23:33,879 --> 02:23:39,799
all just like it just traps you
in the emotional space and the higher fidelity

2274
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:43,920
recording it's not just there to make
the pretty things sound pretty. It allows

2275
02:23:43,959 --> 02:23:48,479
them to do really ugly, right, Yeah, that's what I liked about

2276
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:50,959
it. Yeah, because Closer to
Hell, which is basically a two minute

2277
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:54,479
dirge, they do this trick with
the guitars where they kind of sound out

2278
02:23:54,479 --> 02:24:01,120
of tune bagpipes, and I can't
even refer to another band as a reference

2279
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,520
point because I don't think I've heard
another band do that. And then on

2280
02:24:03,559 --> 02:24:07,799
the following track, when the AI
generated love Letter, it's like they make

2281
02:24:07,959 --> 02:24:11,639
the sound of an organ out of
pinched harmonics. It's wild, and it's

2282
02:24:11,639 --> 02:24:16,319
the sort of thing where you know, on a basement recording on a tape,

2283
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:20,959
maybe it would sound more feral and
those not that it necessarily needs,

2284
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:24,479
and those extreme moments would be even
harsher. But by allowing the band to

2285
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:28,280
flex that muscle, I think it
makes it a lot more impressive because her

2286
02:24:28,399 --> 02:24:31,280
vocal performance alone and the lack of
sort of self preservation that you can hear

2287
02:24:31,319 --> 02:24:35,159
in it means there's no need for
this to sound rougher around the edges,

2288
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:41,120
and by having a decent recording,
you're able to show the full range of

2289
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:45,639
what you're capable of. Yeah,
less than three as well, kind of

2290
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:50,520
the you know, inventive guitar playing
almost I draw into mine kind of like

2291
02:24:50,559 --> 02:24:52,840
post black metal at times with I'm
thinking about like an ortum for cripper children

2292
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:56,120
and stuff like that in that particular
kind of regard. Yeah, it's like,

2293
02:24:56,159 --> 02:24:58,799
you know, twenty one minutes of
rocking back and forth, losing your

2294
02:24:58,799 --> 02:25:03,000
mind some kind of odd moments of
beauty. It's pretty cool. The band

2295
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:05,120
are called Blind Girls. The record
is an Exit Exists, and it is

2296
02:25:05,239 --> 02:25:09,440
our final review for this particular episode. So thank you very much for being

2297
02:25:09,440 --> 02:25:11,920
here, Thank you very much for
listening. Go and check out like that.

2298
02:25:11,959 --> 02:25:13,200
I think July is. I really
felt this last year. July is.

2299
02:25:13,239 --> 02:25:16,520
Often you don't get the massive records, so we can kind of go

2300
02:25:16,959 --> 02:25:20,479
throw around some stuff you've probably not
heard before. So go and check those

2301
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:22,559
records out. Let us know which
ones you're really vibing with. There is

2302
02:25:22,600 --> 02:25:26,719
a really good, you know,
selection of stuff, particularly the last handful

2303
02:25:26,719 --> 02:25:31,040
of reviews that we've done there,
and let us know in a friendly way.

2304
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:35,840
Please if you agree or disagree on
you know, our scene queen positions

2305
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:41,120
and and everything else. Yeah,
cheers. We will be back next week

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02:25:41,319 --> 02:25:45,079
with I mentioned that we're going to
be you know, doing an episode over

2307
02:25:45,079 --> 02:25:50,840
on the Patreon and we with that
with Hyperblasts and then damn August rolling around,

2308
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:54,559
so we're going to start to get
the post summer at the end of

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02:25:54,600 --> 02:25:56,280
it. You know, release is
really picking up again. There are more

2310
02:25:56,360 --> 02:26:01,360
festivals to be had, so you
know, stick with us over over that

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02:26:01,440 --> 02:26:05,200
and we'll see you again. Bye
bye mhm.