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now y September seven, twenty three. Allegedly according to that thing we call
a calendar and guess what, this is a show you might have been looking
forward ce Chilly Effect Thursday night now most Thor's days Thursdays, that is,
to most of you. I normally have Larry Hancock or Mike sponson with me.
Now. Funny thing is, Mike is a bit worn out, wants
to take a break from doing stuff. Larry doesn't feel well, and I
had an intent to bring on well, not somebody new unless you're new to
the show, but somebody who we haven't heard from in a while. Wanted
to bring him back anyway, So I took this opportunity to do it Thursday.
And this will not be an intense info show necessarily, although for some
people maybe it is. I don't think it's gonna stress you out. Like
the news. I don't think it's gonna bother you because we used to do
this thing called regular Guy News on here, and Regular Guy News would quickly
devolve into hell with the news. Who cares, didn't matter how many headlines
I threw it my friend here. It was like, oh so what okay,
here's a sentence on that. That's it. We would throw away the
news, we'd throw away politics, and just wind up having a chat.
And we called that Regular Guy News. Why was it called regular Guy News?
A couple of reasons, but primarily because I had my friend regular Joe
with me. Now here's the funny part. There's another guy out there named
regular Joe. I didn't know this, but he's out there and he's a
media guy and he does other stuff. It's not that regular Joe. It's
my friend from Kentucky. Anyway, that's the way that is. And I
just started calling him regular Joe because really he's got a regular name. He's
a regular guy. He's just sort of a you know, exactly what you
would think of from somebody named Joe. I gotta tell you anyway, funny
story I got about a drawing I did about him, a few other things.
Who knows what we'll get into, but yeah, this is gonna be
more of a fun night. And if you're hearing me on the live stream,
you know I went to air Elite. But what else is old?
So this is the way it is lately. What are you gonna do.
But podcasts, a bunch of those are gonna get dropped in a little while,
so get ready for that as well. And by the time you hear
this, if you only listen to podcasts, you'd be like, hey,
you just put all that stuff out, I know. But if you're hearing
the live stream, you haven't gotten stuff this week. But I got a
few to release, so I will get him out shortly. Matter of fact,
tonight when I'm done talking to my friend here anyway, regular Joe,
how are you doing? Man? Long time no talk? Yeah, no,
man, I've missed you. Guys. I've kind of ducked out of
everything media, you know, due to the ah stress it put on me.
It just kept me angry, So I'll let it go. Was it
really can you angry? I always thought you just sort of looked at it
and thought, Okay, here's the stupidity of this and that, and that's
that. You know, You're right, the news in and of itself that
was my reaction. It's it's the way people react to it that would just
keep me angry all the time. So when somebody brings up a news story
and I don't know what they're talking about really shortens that conversation for me.
Well, and you were working with the public quite a bit for a bit
there, and I know every day some people had to say things to you
that we're probably annoying the hell out of you because it was like, uh,
you know, look that they were coming to you so that you would
repeat back to them what they wanted to hear, which is what I've discovered
as the key to the universe at this point. People really just want to
hear their own thoughts repeated back at them. They want what do they used
to call that affirmation something like that, right, Yeah, that's all they
want. Give me my opinion back to me. Otherwise you're stupid. Uh,
That's that's what our entire society and culture has devolved into. You know,
agree with everything I say, or you're the bad guy. Yeah,
definitely, definitely. I mean, and I keep discovering that and rediscovering that.
By the way, if you don't say exactly what people expect you to
say, you're no good. It's weird to me though, because I don't
know. When I was younger, certainly and even nowadays, I always like
to look for what the other guy is thinking. I always want to see
Okay, tell me your side of it. Maybe I'll come over there.
If you make a good argument, you know, tell me how you see
that. I always like to hear the opposition, the different, the other.
That's the only way I think you progress learn. Allow some other information
to come in, even if it's crap information. Sometimes you can learn something
from an idiot, even and there are many an idiot out there, so
there are plenty of opportunities to learn from idiots. I'm not saying you learn
a lot, but you might learn one key point from a guy who is
just, you know, otherwise pretty much stupid. So I mean, I'm
just saying it's one of those things. And yet I find that our culture
has now devolved into no I want. You know, as much as people
complain about their algorithms feeding them stuff, they want those algorithms to limit it
to what they already believe. They only want support of their own opinions.
They only want support of their own political idealism, their own religious idealism,
their own whatever it is, and not even necessarily what it is they do.
I mean, the guy that's eaten you know, Ramen noodles and McDonald's
every day and is wondering why he's getting fat. He might watch cooking shows,
indeed, but he only wants to see cooking shows. Therefore that's all
he's gonna go for. And that's fine. And he can look at gourmet
stuff all day long and then pull his hot pockets out and eat them.
I don't care. That's out to him. And that's what they do politically.
You know, I've got these high ideals. I believe in the Constitution.
I believe in and then meanwhile, I like Donald Trump. Okay,
I want a peaceful world where things are functional and rational. And meanwhile,
I want the old man running the White House that's there right now because I'm
a Democrat. Oh what the hell is wrong with people? I don't know.
Yeah, where's the middle of the road? Now, you know?
Where is it? That's the other thing is how do you have Okay,
you look at a highway. If you imagine that there were only the shoulders
to work with on the highway and there's no roads in the middle. That
is also the landscape of the career. There is no road, just the
two shoulders. Yeah, well, you know what they said. And back
to the future where we're doing we don't need roads. Of course you don't,
because you look, I get it, and maybe you don't. And
maybe it's my limited way of thinking. And I should only accept things that
I already believe I mean, and I should only let you know. The
Siri and the bots and the artificial intelligence feed me only the things that are
properly hashtagged and designed from my point of view, whatever the hell that is,
I can't figure it out. And it all has to be politically correct.
You can't. You can't make the left shoulder angry. It has to
be politically correct. No, no, no, no, that's not true,
Joe. See, here's the thing. If I don't want political correctness,
then you better damn well not give me some political correctness, even if
it is polite. You know, like, why can't I use the N
word in public? And yeah, I just did a politically correct thing because
I believe that that is a little overly offensive to simply use that word coming
out of my mouth. It sounds harsh. Oh yeah, that's that's not
coming out of my mouth. You can. It's not about political correctness.
It's just to me, it sounds bad. It's a bad idea for me
to use that word. But I don't want to dance around and try and
figure out the new names of the new genders and all that. Forget it.
I ain't doing it well, okay, man, I don't you know
what I better not. I don't think I can say what I was about
to say on air, you, no matter how biologically true it may be.
I don't think I'm allowed to say what I was about to say on
airs by that one. No, no, no, let's not. I'll
tell you why, dude. Listen. I okay, I'm not on a
M and FM anymore, so I don't curse on my show. I don't
encourage it. But you know what you do, what you want, you'd
be you. It's fine if you got something to say that's messed up.
Listen. I also was happy to have Blind Joe on, which you probably
didn't hear, because oh you did hear Blind Joe? No, no,
I didn't, Okay. Blind Joe has been on several times, but one
of the times he was on more recently, he had a show excuse me
a song U called the Truth and no, and he got kicked off a
TikTok for hate speech and stuff for a song called the truth. And I'll
just give you the quick synopsis. I mean, if you were born with
the penis, you're a boy, and if you could have a baby,
you're a girl. And you know what, if you don't recognize this and
this is country music, by the way, and if you don't recognize this
is true, then you're one of the dumbest people in the world. And
given that he said that, and that I'm paraphrasing his lyrics, he did
it better. But you can look it up if you want country song.
And he was on here talking about it. Yeah, they they hit him
for hate speech, encouraging violence against LGBTQ people, whatever that, and I
went, wow, okay, well, I don't hear hate speech. I
don't hear encouragement of violence. And we actually talked about, you know,
how how it is people actually use fairly hateful and violent speech against vulnerable individuals,
considering the fact that, look, he's blinder than I am. And
we talked about how people are abusive to blind people and you know, telling
this stuff like we should have never been born, or parents should have abhorted
us, you know, things like that. That sounds pretty hateful to me.
And to be honest with you, it sounds a lot more hateful than
telling people looking if he got a penis, you're a boy and you okay,
Yeah, well you said pretty much what I was going to say.
You know, you know, I had this conversation with a fella, that
really nice fell, a very smart individual, which I don't encounter much in
that generation around here. I'm not going to throw off on the entire generation.
I'm just saying what I see here locally, that generation I don't have
intelligent conversations with very frequently, but you could with this particular fellow, very
very smart young man, and he said that he never really identified himself as
a male, okay. And I was like, well, if you mean
by way of machismo, then you know, you man beating your chest and
you know I don't eat it. I was like, but I do know
what I was born with attached to me, therefore male. You know,
you know, I may not agree with the sulcial and cultural macheesemo image of
what a man is supposed to be, and never have, but I am
a man and I was born a man, and I have the parts to
prove it. So well, you can call yourself whatever you want. I
don't care. That's none of my business. I'm not gonna hate you for
that. I'm not even gonna make fun of you for that. Right,
it's not about business. No, look like I got no problem with any
of what you're saying. And here's the thing, I feel free to embrace
part of what they call toxic masculinity anymore, right because, like I was
just saying to somebody the other day, I said, you know, in
the old days, I appreciated the idea that I had friends who who you
know what. Every once in a while, we'd get a little angry at
each other, punch each other in the face and have it out, maybe
break a couple of things, toss each other around a bit, you know,
so long as not some real serious damage was done that might steal be
my friend a couple of days later or a day later whatever. And we
used to do that, and I think that was part of the process of
growing up as a man. I think that is part of what made us
man. And yeah, you're on, yeah a little bit. I think
the testing ground was fair. I think us hitting each other with rocks and
sticks, and we were too poor to buy toys. Yep, I think
that was part of it. I think we were supposed to go out and
eat some dirt. I think we were supposed to go out and get into
pointless fistfights with each other when we were little boys. I think that was
something we were supposed to do. So I don't abandon all of the you
know, chest beating male stuff. But can we be more civilized as adults?
I think so? Can we reserve that for when it's really really needed,
which is what I've always tried to do because I'm kind of You wouldn't
believe it by listening to me talk. But I'm kind of a hot tempered
guy. I know. I always was, and I was raised with a
younger sister, and it was I was always tasked by my parents protect your
little sister, right, you know? So I still have that in me.
If if I see, if I see like a girl getting yelled at
by a man, then oh boy, it is just my it's just my
nature to jump in there and say, hey, what do you think you're
doing? Well? But but but how dare you that that that girl can
take care of herself? Joe, Well, it's wrong with you there,
I can't help it. It's how I was raised. It's like I'm wired
that way. You know. You talk on the show about external input with
another another guest to Greek, Yeah, about external input. That was my
external input. No, absolutely, Look, and I don't fault that part
of the culture for anything that went wrong here. Matter of fact, I
think it is part of the character building exercise. Look, I'm not saying
that gender roles are absolutely clear. I'm not saying that every man is defined
in exactly the same way. We're not. But physically, I think the
physiology is pretty clear. And I find it ridiculous that this sort of like
doesn't matter what my physiology is. I can decide anything. Okay, that's
great in the weird fantasy world. And yes, indeed, some people want
to play the girl characters on the video games, I guess, even if
they're not girls, and some girls want to play the guy characters, even
if they're not. I like using the girl characters, so they're drawn very
well, some of them are. And I'll tell you Chun Lee on Street
Fighter used to be my favorite to use because she was just the most versatile
fighter and speed was of the essence. But but that's the thing is I
like the speed. Plus she had enough strength that she wasn't weak. You
know, she didn't have any of the weird you know, like supernatural abilities
so much. I mean later on she did, but initially when the introduced
her in The Street Fighter, realm not so much, you know. And
she was pretty good martial artist all that. Okay. But here's the thing.
I think that that's a separate issue. I'm not concerned with political correctness
necessarily, But there is such a thing as simply not being an a hole.
Uh. And I don't think you have to scream, you know,
arbitrarily for no reason, a whole bunch of offensive terms, just to be
offensive. If you have to make a point, you make a point.
But but that is so far removed from this idea of political correctness. I
mean, if that was what political correctness was, I'd be on board with
it. There's no reason for us to be abrasive with one another at all
times. The world is going to rub us the wrong way all the time
constantly. We don't have to help out and arbitrarily do it with our words.
I think we should be a lot more intentional about the words we use.
But look, I want to go back to having fun. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'll talk to tell you about something on this subject that
somebody musical brought up lately, and I think he's become a victim of cancel
culture because of it, mister Alice Cooper, Okay, by the way,
by the way, really quickly, just a note the listeners. If you're
not familiar with regular Joe and he was talking about his hot temper, I
urge you to go back in the archive and maybe see if you can find
or go back on the whatever feed you're using, see if you can find
the show where he talked about his neighbor, uh and how he had to
handle that situation, and you'll find out that indeed, Joe can be hot
tempered. Uh. I was laughing my head off. You were telling me
about this guy getting near your fence or scrap, and I can't even remember
the whole story, but I just remember picturing you confronting this neighbor in a
very like sort of obscure. You're you're not in a major city. You're
you're you're in a very actually very very rural, very rural area which I
almost moved to a couple of years ago. I was getting ready to move
there. Uh, and uh. It just didn't work out because of issues
with the dwelling. But but I was looking to move there just because it
was peaceful, it was nice, and there wasn't gonna be too many people
around. But I was gonna have Joe as a neighbor, and I thought
that was huge plus. And I still wouldn't mind that, but you know,
we'd have to work something else out because I need to find an affordable
place to be and I don't know where the hell that is anywhere anymore.
Okay, so let's get to it and go ahead and tell me about this
Alice Cooper you bring up. Now. I saw something about it, but
I didn't delve into it. And I used to be into Alice Cooper.
I kinda listened to him for a little bit when he went and did his
radio shows, and I think he still tours once in a while. But
I'm not really up on the latest Alice Cooper. I mean, since the
nineties, I don't think I've really paid a lot of attention to Alice Cooper,
except again, when I used to catch him on the overnight radio shows
he had, Jeez, what was the name of that show? Nights with
Alice Cooper or something. I think it was just called nationally syndicated radio show.
And he's been a character and an interesting guy long time. Very theatrical
on stage. I mean I used to love the stuff that I used to
see in the early days when we couldn't see every musician in the world instantly
on a video platform, right, I used to love the theatrics. I
mean, this is a guy who hung himself, beheaded himself, you know,
with special effects on stage. Very uh campy sort of you know,
horror shock rock kind of stuff that people like Marilyn Manson would take much further,
et cetera, et cetera. Weird note, I do remember one of
the biggest weirdest stories from before I was with full memory capabilities. I guess
my father once dressed up for Halloween as Alice Cooper, which I felt were
rather strange and you know, but apparently he I mean, my dad was
more of a motown guy, but clearly he was aware of the you know,
the guy was the king of shock rock and that was Alice Cooper.
So what is the controversy? Can you give us an explanation about what it
is he did wrong? And uh yeah, tell us about that, because
honestly, I saw it go by and I kind of went, Alice Cooper
not really being politically correct, oh boy, you know, and I just
passed it by. So but tell me the details on it if you have.
Well, I got the details from my daughter because she's a big rocker.
Now. She's fourteen and she's way into the classic rock. She read
an article from I can't remember where, but Alice Cooper was speaking about transgender
children and how he thought that they weren't old enough to choose and that shouldn't
be done. You know, he said, because if he said, and
his reasoning was, if you give a child a choice to be a boy,
a girl, or a tree, some of them will ultimately choose to
be a tree. This is true. So he said, he didn't care
about the adult thing. You know, whatever, do what you want to
do. Well, children will intelligently and correctly and also, as part of
their growing process, choose to be a great many things. I mean,
in the days when we didn't have so much you know, media that we
could access, we had to use this thing called our imaginations. Well,
yeah, I would have been a dragon, right, Maybe you would have
been a dragon. Maybe you would have been a cop. Maybe you would
have been a sports star, maybe you would have been a rock star,
maybe you would have been a character from a TV show you saw. You
would pretend to be a great many things, and these things were intense,
real happy places you could go to. And indeed, you know, some
people's imaginary worlds get even more intense when they have, you know, poor
childhoods, and when they have issues in their childhood, they have unhappy homes.
They might want to spend a lot of time in their own headspace imagining
that they're not only not in that home, but a creature that wouldn't even
possibly live in that home because they want to remove themselves from something. Now,
that doesn't mean that that's wrong or bad or anything. You do always
have to sit down and explain to children and that there is a difference between
your you know, pretend life and your real life. That always has to
come up, because you know, if you let them get so out of
control with the pretend. You know, some of them might become avant god
or avant garde artists, that's true, but the majority of them will be
dysfunctional as people if they stay stuck in their day dreams. But that's it.
That's the thing that is a mind that is not prepared to make final
decisions. I mean, I I've very much seen. Look, body alteration,
it's pretty simple. You've gotta be of a certain age to get a
tattoo. Why because it has permanent consequences. So do these things. So
wouldn't it make sense that you would use the same logic here. Let's assume
that all of the other you know, well, this is perfectly natural.
They should be allowed to Okay, look if I argue with none of that
and just stand by the idea that an adult has freedom to do whatever they
want so long as they're not harming others as far as I'm concerned. I
mean, Joe, if you want to sit there and burn yourself with branding
irons because you like the effect of the scar on your skin, I have
no right to tell you not to do it. I don't. For the
record, I'm pulling a crazy example. No, you don't, of course
not. You're a regular Joe. You're not. You're not freaky BDSM Joe.
You you you are regular Joe. You know BDSM Joe will be on
the show next week. But I'm kidding, although I have had Lady Maga
the Donald Trump supporting drag queen on here. But anyways, back to it,
Yeah, that's the thing. Anyways, back to it, Yeah,
I mean, but if you chose that, I got no right to tell
you not to. I mean, that's up to you. You're you're a
grown man. I can't be like whoa for his own protection, We're gonna
stop him. Bro. No, you want to scar yourself, you want
to alter your body. You want to uh, you know add implants,
which men add implants too. I mean, women do the breast implants.
We know about all that, but I mean apparently they make pectoral implants for
men. And some men want their butts to be shaped differently. They get
these, you know, butt implants. There are penile implants, uh,
in order to enhance that part of you. I have no right to tell
you not to implant things, alter things on your body. You want to
get to you know, and I don't know what do we call that?
An extra? I can't even say it's straight. What I was thinking of
is and you want to go get circumcised a second time, it's up to
you. I mean, you want to just add a whole second penis or
you listen, you want to do that. I mean, look, that's
between you, the doctor and your wife and how much money you got as
far as i'm and I mean, look, you want to have you know,
artificial foreskin added. I mean, dude, it's all up to you
as far as I'm concerned. You know what I mean. You you know
you want to get a pair of breasts for your wife's back, and she's
all for it. Go do? I mean, what can I You want
to get four wheels surgically attached to yourself and call yourself a wagon? Great?
Let me suggest where the handle should go. Of course, there's great
places for the handle to go. Uh, you know, and the piercings
too, like you know, the bull ring through the nose. I mean,
please enjoy tattoo your face. Have fun. You're an adult. It's
your body, all right, not my business. I don't care, but
I don't at least I don't care at all. Yeah, but I do
find it strange that permanent decisions, because these will become permanent when they start
adding these you know, blockers and all that thing. So you know what
I think. I agree with Alice Cooper and in fact, I would take
it further, like, use the same standard you would for a tattoo.
Simple right, right, Yeah, And I can't say that I disagree with
him. There you go. So, but he's in trouble for this now
because they're calling it what hate speech? He's anti LGBTQ. Ye all that?
Yep, you nailed it. Okay, Well what can I say?
I mean, wait, did you learn anything else about this? How has
he responded except probably in typical Alice Cooper fashion to say, look, this
was an intelligent statement I made. In hell with it. It is what
it is, because that's pretty much Alice Cooper. Yeah, okay, pretty
much. He's not sorry. There's no apology coming. No. He might
have said, look, I didn't mean to hurt anybody, but I'm not
going to apologize for the truth. I mean something like that, I imagine.
Yeah, you know, because he's not despite the strange and raucous and
you know, dark imagery and weird stuff he does on stage and whatnot,
he's not a you know, a violent person. He's not somebody who encourages
problems. He's not a hateful you know, he doesn't do songs or performances
that are meant to inspire violence against anybody. Oh, I don't think he
has any assault charges either. Another interesting factoid about mister Cooper there. I
can't remember his real name, but I used to know, but I can't
remember anymore. But his mother's family is from the same county in Tennessee where
my wife is from. No kidding. Yeah, it's a very small place
to very small, very rule. I'm hearing a scraping noise there. Wasn't
sure what was going on there. Okay, yeah, no, Alice Cooper,
he is from the same he's from Tennessee. Huh his mother's family,
yeah, sure enough. I didn't know his mother herself lived there. I
think he may have as a small child. Huh. Well, I'm gonna
yeah, I'm gonna check in with it and see see exactly, because you
know what, I used to know his name off the top of my head,
and when I see it, I'm gonna be you know, upset.
Yeah, me too, because that's just you know, the way it is.
It's one of those things like, ah, I used to know that
off the top of my head all the time, but nowadays not so much.
He was born ready, this is actually no, this doesn't pop off
into right at me as it should to be honest. He was born Vincent
Damon Furnier. Yep, that's right, okay, all right, Well that
one didn't jump right off of my like I know that Ozzy Osbourne is John
Michael Osborne. That that's an immediate one I always have. But you know
me, uh, you know, not not unusual early life. Let's see.
He was born on February four, February four, nineteen forty eight,
according to Wikipedia, now in Detroit, Michigan. Moved there the way I
understand it, he may have been born there, but his mother his mother
was is from Scott County, Tennessee. Well Maroni Moroney of Furnier and his
wife Ella May let's see, was named after his uncle, Vincent. Okay,
a short story about Damon Runyan was the other name that yo said.
That's where they got the middle name. His father was an evangelist in the
Church of Jesus Christ. What's he informally known as black Wait a minute,
as a big big bicker tonights. Okay, I don't know that that's a
weird one anyway. Paternal grandmother, Blah blah blah, was an Apostle from
nineteen seventeen, but Cooper wasn't active in his church. At the ages of
eleven and twelve. Following a series of childhood illnesses, he moved with his
family to Phoenix, Arizona, where he attended courtest High School. I don't
know, maybe there's something in his early life that Wikipedia doesn't have. Big
shock there if Wikipedia's information is incorrect, but possibly do you have to follow
his mother? I think he said her name was Elama, Is that right?
Yeah? That definitely that sounds like I was gonna say, that definitely
sounds like a Tennessee or Kentucky or Westbridge, yeah, or you know,
Elma is definitely like you know that that could have easily been Charles Manson's mother's
sister's name there and Scott County actually borders Kentucky, so ah, there you
go. So that makes a bit of sense. But anyway, in northeastern
Tennessee, the general legend I know is that he's from Detroit. That's for
sure, all right. Anyways, whatever it is, it is, I
mean, huge, long career from the seventies, actually from the late sixties,
right, I think. So let's see early let's go to his career
real fast Okay, the Spiders and Naz in nineteen sixty four, Okay,
sixteen years old, let's see in sixty six Spiders sixty seven, the band
had begun to make regular name changed to Alice Cooper. In nineteen sixty eight.
The band learned that Todd Rundgren, who was also in the band,
also had a band called Naz and found themselves and need him another stage name.
Believe in the group of they chose the name Alice Cooper largely because it
sounded innocuous and wholesome. Okay. In his two thousand and seven book Alice
Cooper Golf Monster, Cooper stated that his look was inspired in part by films.
One of the band's all time bands movies was Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
Okay, starring Betty Davis. Well, that explains the crazy Messcarren stuff
right, Okay, let's see the class Galice Cooper group lineup consisted of blah
blah blah. Okay, I'm just going I'm just like skimming through taking a
look at this scene. If there's something Let's see. Cooper's debut studio album,
Uh Pretties for You as nineteen sixty nine. Okay, so I was
right. The Alice Cooper thing really starts in sixty nine with that first album,
although the band's name was changed previous to that, et cetera, et
cetera. And then in the seventies, I mean he takes off and we
get you know, Schools Out and all that stuff. Let's see, we
got dates here in seventy two. Seventy one featured a stage show including mock
fights and gothic torture models. That was in seventy one, already follow up
album Killer in seventy two or seventy three. The summer of seventy two,
solo released of the single Schools Out Okay, there's our schools out Comes in
that reached number two in the US charts. Blah blow okay. Billion Dollar
Babies was in seventy three. Okay. That was right after with a string
of successful concept albums No no, no, okay. Muscle of Love,
which is pretty funny, released end of seventy three, so he released two
albums that year. Teenage Lament was in seventy four. Okay, he was
really like putting out an album constantly. Let's see return to the solo art
Okay. He returned as a solo artist and Welcome to My Nightmare in seventy
five see love song. Yeah, and that is a freaky iconic sort of
a song, right, yea, Yeah. I was in a band one
time. We were playing this little gig uh call called the New Amsterdam in
Knoxville, Tenners Knoxville, Tennessee, and we were doing a benefit for the
Hard Knocks Roller Girls, the roller Derby, right, and one of them
was dressed as Alice Cooper from Welcome to My Nightmare. I'll never forget that
costume because she was so almost spot on nice. Yeah, that was a
really cool costume. I had had a little Derby hat and all you know,
m let's see from the inside. I'm going through a whole bunch of
this stuff because now now I'm taking a look at the rest of Oh god.
He was a villain in the in the film Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Arts Club
Band, which is wow awful movie. Oh wow, I about that.
Let's see nineteen eighties. Let's see he's in Zipper Catches Roy Thomas Bigger eighty
three. Now I'm waiting for when I think it's eighty five or eighty six,
he gets to do the Friday thirteen soundtrack. Right, let's see about
eighty six Friday the thirteenth, part six, Jason lives and I'm pretty sure
yeah, man behind the mask okay? Cool? Uh? And that coincided
with his album Constrictor, which I remember buying brand new from the record stores
and stuff I was fourteen. I had of course, I had copies of
Schools Out and I even went to the trouble to get me the one that
was actually a pop out desk. It was a record and it was a
pop out desk that you could actually put the little legs from the desk down
and you could open the top of the record and it was like one of
those old wooden desks. That is cool. I always love the album art
like that, like physical graffiti, how you could spin it and the big
different people in the windows. Yeah, yeah, you know what. The
concepts were great with some of the album art with lifted riffs. That's true.
Anyways, you know, you know, I'm a big ladhead. That's
that's where you and uh, that's where where our paths diverge. We definitely
we diverge on there, Okay, but it is it is a thing.
Let's see shocking spectrals other than a kind of controversy in Europe. Anyway,
I'm just taking a look through here. Oh of course, there was the
time he went to WrestleMania in eighty seven. Oh wow, I forgot about
that. I remember Ozzie was cool. If we wouldn't have been cool,
if we could have seen Donald Trump and Alice Cooper in a fight, that
would have been hilarious. Although Ozzie Osbourne was there, I believe also at
that same WrestleMania. Maybe, oh maybe Rozzie was at WrestleMania two and Cooper
was at WrestleMania three. Three was the big deal because it was whole Covid
versus Andre the Giant. But anyways, okay, ninety one, he releases
his nineteen studio album Hey Stupid, which I always thought it was a funny
song, not like the best of his best work, but very catchy,
very useful song. Was feeding my Frankenstein on that same one. You know,
I was just looking for that because I'm looking for let's see, he's
on Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare, Nightmare and now I'm straight. So
he did both of those. Let's see last Temptation album Hollywood Records A Fist
Full of Alice in Saint Clown Posse's The Great Malenko. Wait a minute,
what is this uh? In nineteen Okay Fist Full of Alice was released,
and in nineteen ninety seven he lent his voice to the intro track of in
Saint Cloud's Posse's The Great Malenko. I didn't know that. I didn't know
that. Wow, but i CP always makes me laugh. Yeah no,
and I you know I like them as well. Let's see Okay Dungeons,
Dragon seventy Nights and Nights Okay Cooper's radio show Nights with Alice Cooper, Dirty
Timonds. I'm not seeing that that that here. I know it's it's somewhere
though, because that's when he was in the movie Wayne's World. That's gotta
be. Okay, Let's let's roll it back a little bit, because that's
gotta be like eighty eighty nine. I don't think I was in high school,
which would have put a post ninety Let's see Diamond Child produced a Grammy
nominative of rena Tour. Where is it did he showed I know he showed
up in that movie though, because they do the whole thing. We're not
worthy and they're bowing to him and all that. Okay, Garden Freddy's taed
like Mary holm Street. Use your Illusion. Uh, let's see guessed it
on records by the most guy he was on Use your Illusion one. Oh
wow, he guessed it on there. I didn't know that. Okay,
well here it is. Oh, you're gonna you're gonna love this. Cooper
made a cameo appearance in the nineteen ninety two comedy film Wayne's World, Yes
ninety two, Okay, and that is he does feed my Frankenstein in there.
Let's see the band to discussed it. Yeah, that is pretty funny
where he starts discussing, you know, where Milwaukee comes from and everything,
like, yeah, it's like an intellectual the guy you know, and he
is actually kind of intellectual, Like you listen to that radio show and he
starts to like, you know, do little runs, little rambles. He
actually can talk and hold your attention and tell you stories. You know.
You know, always thought that he and Howard Stern look alike. Yeah,
in a way like if you combine almost if Joey Ramone and Alice Cooper had
a baby. That's what Howard Stern would look like, you know, I
like, you know, that's pretty good analogy there. You know, I
actually saw the Ramones in nineteen ninety six. Yeah, I had seen them
a couple of times. But you know, the Ramones are an interesting we're
an interesting cultural phenomena onto themselves. Well, you know, I didn't buy
Ramon's tickets. You know, I'm not that guy. They were at Lollapalooza
that year. So enough, fair enough. So anyway, look, we
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the controversy for you guys listening out there. But I'll tell you what I
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Joe is with me. So we went out on that last segment talking about
Alice Cooper, which we didn't plan. I just pulled up the Wikipedia and
started skimming through it. What the hell? This is the way these shows
might go and we might have some musical discussions now and then. I think
that's gonna happen. Maybe I'll pick some unusual pieces of things to talk about.
But who knows. We did a discussion about the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame induction ceremonies. I think we played some clips or took a look
at something anyway during the one show. I mean, what the hell,
we'll do that. We'll take a look at just what our opinions are.
Wait a minute. Two of us might have been musicians at certain points in
our lives. So that means we don't have opinions, right, No,
No, Mucussons aren't opinionated. Check. Musicians are not opinionated or judgmental at
all, are they. No, They're just always right. Yeah, that's
what it is. We're always right. Even even when people are dead wrong,
they think they're right. Okay, so yeah, that happens. We
might do that. We might have clashes over things. Matter of fact,
I'm going to bring up something that we might clash over right now, and
I'm not going to give you a hint as to what I think or why.
But here's the thing. People got really upset Jimmy Buffett died. Jimmy
Buffett. Yeah, so did you know that? Yeah, my mom told
me she was really bummed out about it. Yeah, Jimmy Buffett. You
know he's an old guy, right, He's been around a long time.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's been around a long time. I was surprised
to learn that he had put together about a billion dollars getting paid off of
his music through constant touring. He created a restaurant, he created the whole
beach bum lifestyle kind of thing. Whatever they call all that. I don't
know. Uh, you know they in Mugarydog, That's all I remember.
And then it was like an AM radio staple when I was a kid.
But other than that, it was kind of like, Wow, I can't
believe this guy came up with a billion dollars off of what I consider to
be mediocre music at best. And it's like, there's no all you need.
And I'm not going to disagree with that at all. I'm not a
big Jimmy Buffett fan. Okay. See, now, I wasn't sure how
you might fall on that because you and I have disagreements over certain people and
and it's it's pretty intense to disagree. It's as as I mentioned in the
first hour, I had mentioned lifted rips, and then Joe replies, well,
I'm a lead ahead. What are we talking about? Led Zeppelin?
Oh ye, so to me, to me, to me, and and
I hope we have many conversations like this. Actually, and to me,
it's the greatest rock band ever. See now that that, to me is
depends, okay, on on how you want to look at it. My
favorite is not necessarily the greatest band ever. My greatest band ever is actually
Alison Chains. Oh, greatest of the nineties, greatest of their era.
Absolutely no argument from me, Lane Staley and Jerry Cantrail as a combo was
oh man, that was that was nineties perfection. Yeah. So, I
mean everybody everybody wants to talk about Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Why Alison Chains
and Sound Garden were twice the acts those guys were. That's all you need
is Alison Chains and the story. I mean, that's it. And even
when they made personnel changes up until up until Lane and Jerry are both gone,
Okay, then then you got problems. I mean, look, the
new guy, he doesn't adequate job. But there's just there's not that soul
in it. That soul is gone, you know, and that's all there
is to it. But Alison Chains, to me is the best band band
that I ever saw. My favorite band is Black Sabbath, you know that.
And I can't stand led Zeppelin because they ripped off a lot of other
artists in my opinion, which they did, absolutely they did. I mean
I just asked Muddy Waters, right, well, you know Muddy Waters,
all these other people weird freaky stuff that you can find online. There's a
whole bit. I know. I set you all those videos of like here's
the comparisons and all that. It's true. And I knew about that years
ago because there were controversies. There were estates suing them. There were you
know, claims of like Page Plant wrote this, you know, and it's
like, no, they didn't, because it pre existed, this record here
in the seventies when somebody you know, burned it onto an ascetate in the
forties and the sixties and the fifties. Oh whoops. But I didn't like.
And it's really funny because Bill Burr, who did the f is for
Family series, which is hilarious and unfortunately has ended cartoon series. You know,
he represented a led Zeppelin type band and they were called Lifted Riffs.
Its very befitting too, because you know, give the devil his due right,
which they did not. So but here's the interesting spin on that.
It turns out that Bill Burr is a led Zeppelin fan and he's a drummer
and talks about John Bonham like a lot on his podcast see and to me,
I know, John Bonham has always been one of these venerated drummers.
You know, I'm not saying, and I don't go, well, Bill
Ward's better. These guys were products of their time. I don't see Bonham
as all that impressive. He's solid, he's solid, But really the most
impressive musician technically in that band was John Paul Jones. John Paul Jones,
oh, one hundred percent all the way. He's He's the unsung hero of
led Zeppelin. Because what makes Bonham Bonham is that he's distinctive. He's distinctive,
Okay, fair, he's distinctive. See and Jimmy Page is sloppy as
hell, Oh worry. I mean it didn't matter if he was an old
man, young man, sober, high, drunk, it didn't matter it's
just slop slopfest, that's what he is. And Robert Plant is at one
timing quite inconsistent. It's because he had no timing, and you can see
it even now the stuff he does with Alison Krause. I love her.
I think that her voice is just angelic, you know, and she's in
a genre that I despise. But at the same time, I love Allison
Krause. Her voice makes all the hair stand up on the back of my
neck when I hear it. But when you see Plant on stage with her,
he's he has no rhythm at all. Well, look at you.
You may not be a fan of Whitney Houston's pop music, but you got
to admit skills when you hear skills. Okay, it's just that simple.
I don't want like Marshall Mathers, but he's the goat. Listen. You
gotta give it to him for that, for that particular style that he cultivated
and does quite well. And I mean alliteration. He's certainly a poetic h
Whatever it is you want to say about the content of that poetry, it's
up to you. But you know, again, these are genres where you
can consider that. Look there there's people that master things, and Page was
good in a studio. He can make a lot of things sound good in
a studio. I give him that, but to me, it's like,
not that impressive, and you stole a lot of your music. I don't
like him for this reason, so I'll be one of those guys forever.
Which, by the way, I argue with missus oh about this. Uh
so I argue a bit, yeah, and I argue with everybody about this.
It's like, oh, you know, what's one of your favorite class
If you ask anybody and they have an awareness of, you know, music
in the seventies at all, let Zeppelin comes up. Oh yeah, so
you know, I mean, isn't that the big three of the seventies?
It is for me. Sabbath has grown in to that position, but for
a long time they were not one of the recognized bands. You know.
And you know, if you were a heavy metal guy, yes you knew
them. If you were a hard rock guy, yes you knew them.
But you know, pretty much like ACDC does not change very much. They
continue to release the same thing over and over again. But it is the
ACDC thing, you know what I mean. It's okay, but it's not
expansive, it's not particularly technical. Some of that stuff is very cool,
very seriously gritty, blues oriented and original. The way Angus Young did stuff,
I don't know. You know, look, some of the ways that
Zeppelin did things are semi original, but it's difficult to take them seriously as
an innovator, regardless of popularity, considering all the stuff they ripped off.
So I mean, it's just there's where my problem is. But look,
let's get away from the Zeppelin thing, because we could talk about a lot
of other stuff. And we did talk about Jimmy Buffett for a second.
Who's dead. And I know I'm pissing some people at the over dude,
So Jimmy Bubba, And look, I can't begrudge he made a billion dollars
off of that stuff, according to reports, and he was a good marketer.
It didn't make him a good musician, no, But you know what
adequate enough though that I still remember his tunes, right, Yeah, Well,
of course, I mean, because the inundated pop culture. It's been
in commercials, it's been in movies, it's been in TV shows, it's
it's it's on T shirts, it's Dave Grohl parody parody. I can't say
that he did a parody of it. Yes, true. But here's the
thing, you know, even if you ask people about okay, so who
are the great guitarists? I mean, and they might say, oh,
well, how about Ingray Mallenstein now, or there's the name you haven't heard
in a while, how about Joe Satriani? How about yeah? Okay,
now, name me three other songs. You can't, but you can name
Buffett stuff because it's stuck, you know what I'm saying now, you know,
and to me, some of the more technical and underrated still underrated,
even though they've got a lot more do is people like Randy Rhodes and stuff
like that. Over the years, at a certain point that was relegated to
a subculture. It wasn't even part of something you would imagine would end up
in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or on regular radio. And that
was a different animal at that time. Now it's a whole lot more mainstream,
it's a whole lot more acceptable. Of course, Randy Rhodes was always
seemed as a great guitarist. No, he wasn't. First of all,
he wasn't seen as a great guitarist when he was doing Quiet Riot albums that
were only released in Japan, those albums kind of suck actually, And you
know, and when he did the azzy stuff, he had to deal with
the azzy baggage, so that was a problem for Randy Rhodes. And also
he was only on the scene legitimately about three years on the world scene.
So no matter how much he innovated, no matter what he recorded, no
matter the oddness of his live tonal playing and everything else, and a lot
of interesting mixes he did between classical and very standard hard rock stuff, complex
rhythms, the way he noodled over Black Sabbath riffs almost with a grudge against
them when he played them, and yet still figured out a way to make
them sound very cool and different. Were even playing iron Man, which is
not an easy thing to play in a recognizable way and also take it in
another direction at the same time. Many people have tried and they usually fail.
But you listen to Rhodes play that, or you listen to him play
Children as the Grave, or you listen to him play anything that was a
Black Sabbath song, and you know what, all of a sudden, it
sounds better. And if you want to hear what a guitarist of that time
using similar equipment got to do with it, just listen to Brad Gillis,
who was, you know, the guitarist from Night Ranger and stepped in after
a couple of shows with a guy named Bernie Tormey with Ozzie, and all
of a sudden you got Brad Gillis in there, who did an adequate job,
but certainly wasn't Randy Rhodes could not come anywhere near the guy's proficiency,
the guy's you know, way of playing that was due to his classical abilities.
Randy Rhodes, yea, even though he's known for playing metal, he
was a classical guitarist, right right, yeah, And if you can master
that, I'm pretty sure that's the pinnacle of musical creation from humans. Well
maybe, but you know what, if you take a good listen to the
very blues oriented and very very heavy stuff that has come out of again,
one of Ozzie's guitarists Zach Wilde, And of course I love him because he's
from Jersey, but oh man, I like Zach Wilde because of the way
he makes that guitarist wheel. You always know it Zach Wilde. If I've
never heard the track before and it starts out with a heavy guitar and I
hear that squeal, I'd say that's Zach. You see. That's the thing.
Those false harmonics which were utilized by by hard rock people here and there,
Zach made them into something else, and he grew from his time with
Ozzie and all that into some thing completely different in over time. He's the
only guitarist oss He ever had that could actually pull off Randy's RIfS too.
That was the other thing. He got pretty close, man, he was
just right there. He quiet there. But jak Lee is worth mint jake
Elee's worth mentioning. But when he tried to play Randy stuff, oh rough.
I mean, if you, if you take a listen to you can
find this online right now on YouTube. Ten different versions of it, The
US Festival. The US Festival right where Ozzie comes out as a dressed as
a like a like a kind of like a voodoo priest with a big old
crazy mask on, like he's in a Scooby Doo movie. It comes out
dressed like that right at this thing they used to call the US or US
festival, which was a big deal for a couple of years in the eighties,
and jak Lee's the guitarist, and they opened with I Think over the
Mountain. Yeah, you hear that, you hear the deficients and Jakie Lee
versus Randy Rhodes right away. Well, Randy Rhodes was kind of a master
that. Another thing that I thought was interesting about Randy Rhodes is he he
always took lessons and talk and talk guitar. So he was constantly taking lessons
and teaching. Yes, so I mean he was just always getting better.
Apparently he did that on the road, even when he was getting highly paid
with with Ozzie's Band, or not highly paid, highly paid but paid well.
Now here's an interesting thing I learned about a much different kind of guitarist.
It's not even in the same class with Randy Rhodes, but the way
he learned guitar amazed me. And hats off to you for it. Dave
Grohl, Okay, the role learned guitar when he was touring playing drums and
Nirvana. He was touring with Nirvana and playing drums, there was only one
guitar there available to him to learn on. It was Kurt's guitar right.
Kurt was left handed. My friend Dave girl was right handed. M hm.
He learned to play guitar upside down, yes, indeed. And you
know, hats off to you, man, that's amazing. What kind of
genius mind do you have to have to do that. What's funny is I'll
tell you about a guy whose name you're never gonna hear. And I can't
even remember his last name now unless somebody told it to me. But there
was this guy I knew named Tyrone who looked like an overgrown Gary Coleman.
I kid, you not uh like you know, he's this black kid that
I knew in in Asbury Park. He was actually from Long Branch, New
Jersey, and he played uh left handed, but he didn't have a left
handed guitar when he learned. So what did he do. He flipped over
a right handed guitar and that's the way he played right, oh wow.
And it just that's the way he was. And he played every kind of
metal and rock possible, like within I don't know, less than a year
he was doing that. And he was, you know, establishing bands and
stuff like this, like at the age of sixteen. He just went,
let me try and figure that out and did okay. And I watched this
kid. This kid was cool. He unfortunately passed away a few years ago.
Otherwise I would love to see what he's doing now. He never got
out of the local scene or anything, but I assure you had some talent.
He could hold his own with guys that were playing for ten fifteen years,
no problem. I mean the guys that we used to know that would
you know, wind up in their garage or basement or whatever and be playing
for ten years before they came out with a band. Right, this kind
of thing, Uh yeah. He did that in like less than a year
and just did it. And I was like, wow. He was playing
like all sorts of complicated death metal riffs, every kind of like I said,
every kind of rock, every kind of hard rock, metal, whatever.
He could play it, and he could mostly play it by year.
Didn't know how to read a damn thing on music, and he's playing it
with an upside down right handed guitar. Left handed were the weirdest thing I
ever saw. And he looked like, I swear to God, a giant
Gary Coleman. He looked exactly like Gary Coleman like and even at one point
had that box cut you know that that like later eighties, early nineties box
cut black guys would have almost like Craig Robinson man something like that. And
it was the wildest thing. I always thought Tyrone was going to be huge,
and he didn't. He didn't get big. He played, you know,
local clubs and was in a variety of bands and was incredibly talented.
Wound up doing studio work with some interesting guys in the hip hop community on
the East Coast at a certain point. But I don't know enough about that
history to give it to you. But he was. He was just a
great guy and everything. And the sad part is, a couple of years
ago, he was trying to get a hold of me, and by the
time I got back to him, the away oh yeah, And I didn't
know about it because it was like hidden in a weird spot on my Facebook
messages and I didn't know about it. And then I finally got back to
him. I I sent messages to him, and then I heard from a
mutual friend a few months later like, oh you know, I said,
hey, I tried to message Tyrone. He was around, and he goes,
well, he ain't gonna answer that. Oh it sounds like your dog.
Yeah, yeah, there must be a raccoon on the porch again,
fair enough. But but but here's the thing about it. There there are
a wild array of characters, some you'll never hear from, and you know,
a lot of a lot of never never like like we always hear about
has beens, But there's plenty of never wases that are hella interesting, that
are really great people that you might only see in a couple of shows.
Locally, I feel like that culture is almost gone too, you know where.
Oh yeah, music's dead. I mean it sucks, it does it's
it's dead. It's everything's digital and there's there's nothing really vocal to speak of.
There's there's no substance and lyrics. I mean, I love the days.
We would actually convince a guy who owned a pizza's shop to let us
take over the place for a little while, and we'd have to scoot all
the tables and chairs out of the way and put on a little show in
the back of a pizza joint, you know, for fifteen twenty people to
come in, and as long as we promised the owner that they could sell
you know, fifteen pizzas that night. They would let us take over their
back room. You know, I used to do stuff like that, and
it was the greatest time. You saw some of the worst music ever and
you saw some really cool people trying to create stuff. And some of them
would go on to do serious things, and some of them never would.
That would be the only gig they would ever play. But it was just
so great. You had such a diversity there. But you had to go
there in person. Nowadays you just turn on YouTube. See see what somebody
decided to upload, right, check out their instagram. I mean, I
don't know. I feel like you don't have that experience where you can go
and physically be there anymore. See, this could be another topic of discussion
in the shows. I'm gonna do it with regular Joe. We could talk
about music as it was and as it is. We could talk about our
ratings and rankings. As you can see, we can go back and forth
about just well, who's our good guitarist or not? And this is the
David Gilmour well and that was the thing you wanted to get to. And
here's the thing again. Here we go with Chuck and his oppositional thinking.
Not a big Pink Floyd fan over here. Okay, I am not happy
with them. I gotta tell you. They put me to sleep most of
the time. The only album of Theirs I like is always a surprise to
people. I like the Wall, I like you know that song. I
like that one, okay, but I'm not a big fan of the whole
like you know, Oh, mother, tell it to your therapist. I
got no time for you. Okay. However, however, the Final with
their early early stuff, like the album Metal, It's okay, it's okay,
but look these things they don't fascinate. The only album the Pink Floyds
that ever really fascinated me is the Final Cut. Now, I know that
sounds weird, but that was the one right after the Wall. Yeah,
yeah, I think so. And it's the one, you know, like
it was. I don't know I was able to take that one in personally.
I don't have a mother complex. I don't need you know, I'm
not, I really, I don't know. I didn't. I didn't get
into I like the way the song flowed. You know, we don't need
uh. I like that, but only because of the flow. I didn't
really care about the you know. I mean I remember there were kids like,
you know, the the burnout kids in my eighth grade class thought that,
you know, playing the wall was such a rebellious thing to do.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not really not really thrilled by this.
Uh you know again, I've been a focused Black Sabbath guy like my whole
life. But Hole in the Sky. Every time, every time somebody says
black Sabbath, that's the first thing that comes to mind for me. This
Hole in the Sky that was on Sabotage. Yeah, that's and of course
that is my favorite album, followed up very closely by thirteen believe it or
not. I like that album that later one. It's it goes on a
little long, but it contains all the elements that go along with Sabbath.
But anyway, yeah, yeah, Hole in the Sky is uh, let's
see. I think it is the first track after there's like some noise on
there and then boom, yeah, you go into Hole in the Sky.
I think it's the first track on the original Sabotage set up. I think
so too, And I've actually I'm about to start learning that songs. It's
interesting you brought up an old musical friend. I ended up rebuilding a Fender
Telecaster player plus Nashville with a guy I played guitar with for twenty years ago,
Nice I was in a band with him and he was my guitar player.
And I got together with him and we completely rebuilt Fender Telecaster and it's
fantastic right now. Hey, look those things when they're when they're done well.
And I've seen these kits, and i've seen these you know, you
can buy the parts and build them yourself. And I've seen all kinds of
you know, refurbished this and that. Matter of fact, I got I
have a guitar here that needs work and I can actually do it. I
mean I've never done it before. And I had listened to you and the
Greek talking about working on cars and pretty much it's simple technology, just jump
in and do it. Well, yeah, you know what it is.
That's what inspired me to just go ahead and build that guitar, because when
I found it, it was just it was stripped completely. There was nothing
left except for the switch plate and the and the pots. Okay, the
next the body that was it, and I bought all the parts. This
is this guitar retails for like twelve hundred dollars, and I spent like five
to rebuild it nice. I have one of the cheaper less pauls uh that
that needs to be rebuilt. It's it's fairly nice, but it doesn't I
don't have the plate. Uh. And one of the machine heads is literally
snapped right off, so you know gone. Uh. One of the excuse
one of the tuning, you know, it's gone. It's snapped off.
So I've got five of them that are intact, but they are definitely the
cheaper ones. I don't know what the pickups are. It looks like somebody
has screwed around with the pickups. At a certain point. I got it
used. It's it's in working condition, but it needs a bunch of things,
UH need. It needs some love. And so that's what I have
at the moment for a six drink. Uh. And I've got my acoustic
base. I've shown you that before, I think, but I know how
to play that pretty well. The sixth string I only ever screwed with in
order to try and write things. But I never ever tried to be the
guy who played because I didn't have the skill level. I was never confident
with it. I could play the bass a little bit, I could play
the drums a little bit. The only thing I was really confident about is
give me a microphone. Yeah that was me. That was me. I
was always the singer. The guitar has only been like the last three three
and a half years. Yeah, you've just sort of been teaching yourself.
But it's it's definitely given you a different perspective on this stuff. And you
know what, we could discuss the process of rebuilding that guitar. We could
talk about guitars, we could talk music. We could talk about other stuff
too. You and I will occasionally converge on certain media. In fact,
you know I mentioned f Is for Family earlier. I know you watched that
a bit. Yeah, that was I watched it all. I've actually seen
the entire series two three times. Okay. See now I wasn't aware of
that because the last time you and I spoke, I think it was still
two seasons were left in it or so, because I think we left off
around the time that the Vietnamese woman kills her husband somewhere and there, and
that is it sounds dark and it well, it is dark, but it's
hilarious. So I love that next scene with her when she's in prison and
they're doing the Scared Straight with the kids and the cops. Oh yeah,
Then she tells that kid, you can help me re enact the last episode
of COJ the strange mystery of the disappearing lollipop. When lollipop go, it
goes in your ass, It goes in your ass. And she is the
most frightening. There's all these big, tough convicts and there's this like ninety
pound Vietnamese woman and everybody's freaked out by the Vietnamese woman. Oh you don't
want to play no problem. You end up like husband, I poisoned his
soupy dead as kid. You could ask him, but he dead. And
I'm like, wow, okay, yeah no, that that is a great
scene. It definitely speaks to my level of humor. Bill Burr as funny
as hell he is. He's uh, I think he's to me second funniest
guy to Dave Chappelle out there right now at the moment. At the moment,
I mean, but we could we could talk about some classic comedians.
We could talk about comedy in general. Apparently you will watch some cartoons on
occasion, so we can talk about some of those. I've been watching Batman
the animated series all day, really the old one or a new one.
Yeah, the one that was like from the nineties, I think, oh
nice, right, that was like the big controversial one where all of a
sudden Batman is dark in the cartoons and I was like, that's not that
dark. It's a little it was. It was a W B Man,
you know, Warner Brothers, who was on the daytime television after school cartoons.
So I don't know what its controversial about it. No, Batman beyond
there was some of the violence, okay, but some of the islands in
it and everything was pushing the envelope for the nineties on TV, on broadcast
TV for a cartoon. Yeah. But but outside of that, I always
remembered it and went, I don't know, it just seems pretty tame to
me. I mean, it's not the killing joke, you know, and
it's not a death in the family. No, not at all. Right,
So, I mean, you know, anyway we could get into animated
stuff, we could get into other media. Every once in a while,
we might touch on some news. We'll probably try to stick with just pop
culture. Nonsense, you know, just make a you know, nonsensical fun
show. You know, you gotta unwind from what you cover all the time.
Anyway, I could be your outlet for that. Well, see,
I'm starting to do that more and more best I can. I even with
the Friday Night call and Show. I am so sick and tired of the
same arguments. I am not doing it no more. Uh, And I'm
just you know, coming on with different things. Sometimes we wind up doing
naked news. That's another thing. It's just you know, what, what
what criminal acts somebody tried to commit while naked has been an interesting theme for
the past I don't know, two years on the Friday Night Show. And
that's the funny thing is, I think it's been about two years since you
were a regular guest regular Joe. Uh yeah. That was back in the
workforce and kind of be a sporadic scheduling when you're in retail. So what
you had was just too hard to run me down, you know, Yeah,
no, no problem, no issue, It's just that it was.
I liked bringing you in every once in a while, though, because I
guaranteed myself to be able to decompress from whatever the hell was going on,
you know, And you're another guy I wish could make it to Dallas,
because I'm going to Dallas, Texas again this year, you know, and
I'm going on a road trip with b Pete, which is gonna be fun.
We're gonna be there for the conference, and there's gonna be a celebration
of the ten years of the o'celli effect, kind of as a sub event
along with the JFK Lancer Conference. So we're gonna do that in Dallas.
And I kind of wishing these hills. So that's the thing is, even
if I could afford to bring you along, I probably couldn't get you to
leave. So I'm still taking care of a squirrel man, you know.
Oh that's right. And there's another thing we could talk about. You actually
brought a squirrel into your house. Yep. And I know Ed our listener,
Ed would appreciate that. He loves to tell me about the squirrels in
his area. He shows his pictures. Matter of fact, when I asked
for pictures of people wearing the Ocelli hats a few years ago, he said
to us one with a squirrel with the hat, you know, just saying
he loves them. Squirrels. But you brought one into your home for a
bit, and he's still here. I'm looking at him right now. He
hears me talking, so he came out of his hammock to see what I'm
doing. Nice, he's still. I thought he was getting ready to leave.
I thought it was like, yeah, I did too, But he
became so baby fied that I felt like I would be doing him a disservice
to turn him into the I have to rock this squirrel to sleep every night.
I rocked him the sleep before the show. There's that toxic masculinity for
you. You. I'll rock a squirrel to sleep every night. That's full
disclosure, Oh, chilly fans. I mean yeah, an Eastern gray,
full grown male squirrel, and he comes to me every night at seven thirty
and curls into my arm and I rock him to sleep. There you go,
and look you haven't you? And you were on Twitter for a while.
You actually left Twitter and stayed off of Twitter. It's now, you
know, Twitter or x or whatever they want to call it. Since he
Alon lost guys it, I'm still on there, but but you're not.
I went and looked for you. No, no, if I'm still not
doing the social media thing. To hear what is on the very small community
that I'm in, to hear what's on their minds at large is too much.
And I'm a hermit. I almost never talked to people, so to
see them what they think loosing out all over social media all the time,
I don't need that. So for your own mental health, no, no,
go on that. And I appreciate it. Man, Uh you know,
look, you do your thing your way, but I was looking for
you on there, just to let you know because you have gone. You
went on there, and then you went away and you didn't play with it
for a bit. Then you went back and you said, you know what
I'm getting off of this. And he actually stayed off, which is weird
because most people threatened to get off on Twitter, and then they played a
whole game of no, man, don't leave, stay on Twitter. I
want you to be here. I'm your buddy from Alaska or whatever the hell
you know, And it drives you nuts and and and really it's just there
to keep you in a constant state of you know, anxiety. That's the
way. That's that's what I got from it too. And if you remember
what my trigger was to leave Twitter. Is it gave me a notification you've
been on Twitter for a year. I was like, oh, no,
that's too long. Yeah, I didn't think I had to pull that kind
of time you did. You know, I've been there for many years,
but only because I do the radio show and I'm resistant all the time.
People get on this new social media, get more more of these things.
I need, no, no enough or anything. We need to learn to
interact with each other on a face to face basis again people, because this
entire species has forgotten. And listen, I just said that sounded really hopeful.
But here's the thing. You're not going to do it no matter.
That's the best part is listen. I could give you and I've said this
before during radio interviews all the time, where they go, look, you're
telling us about all the problems in the world. What's your solution? And
I say to them, you know what, you want me to be blunt
about this. If I gave you the secret to the universe right now,
if I told you how to fix the entire world right now in less than
a paragraph, guess what Nobody would do it anyway. That's right. No
though that you wouldn't do it. It's too hard, that'll never work.
You know that you need to be pessimistic or lazy. So there you go.
I mean, and that's really the only two gears. I mean,
there are some of us. I mean, and I still am working at
this with this idea that we can change things, and we could. It
is theoretically possible. Well, at any moment we could reverse course on a
hundred different things on this planet. But as for whether it is possible,
Look, it's possible, but is it probable? Can it be done?
Yes? Will it be done? I am very doubtful. Now we're we're
we're we're heading for the wall, and we're all pressed test dummies, you
know. There you go, So regular Joe will be back with us more
often. I'm gonna try and get you in like once a week if we
can arrange it. How does that sound? Just sounds great to me,
man, I'm ready. There you go. The Ocelli effect is done for
tonight. So remember this. No matter who you are, where you are,
when you are, I am Ocelli. You are the effects. Good Night,