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The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall
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now y September seven, twenty three. Allegedly according to that thing we call

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a calendar and guess what, this
is a show you might have been looking

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forward ce Chilly Effect Thursday night now
most Thor's days Thursdays, that is,

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to most of you. I normally
have Larry Hancock or Mike sponson with me.

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Now. Funny thing is, Mike
is a bit worn out, wants

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to take a break from doing stuff. Larry doesn't feel well, and I

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had an intent to bring on well, not somebody new unless you're new to

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the show, but somebody who we
haven't heard from in a while. Wanted

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to bring him back anyway, So
I took this opportunity to do it Thursday.

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And this will not be an intense
info show necessarily, although for some

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people maybe it is. I don't
think it's gonna stress you out. Like

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the news. I don't think it's
gonna bother you because we used to do

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this thing called regular Guy News on
here, and Regular Guy News would quickly

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devolve into hell with the news.
Who cares, didn't matter how many headlines

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I threw it my friend here.
It was like, oh so what okay,

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here's a sentence on that. That's
it. We would throw away the

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news, we'd throw away politics,
and just wind up having a chat.

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And we called that Regular Guy News. Why was it called regular Guy News?

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A couple of reasons, but primarily
because I had my friend regular Joe

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with me. Now here's the funny
part. There's another guy out there named

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regular Joe. I didn't know this, but he's out there and he's a

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media guy and he does other stuff. It's not that regular Joe. It's

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my friend from Kentucky. Anyway,
that's the way that is. And I

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just started calling him regular Joe because
really he's got a regular name. He's

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a regular guy. He's just sort
of a you know, exactly what you

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would think of from somebody named Joe. I gotta tell you anyway, funny

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story I got about a drawing I
did about him, a few other things.

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Who knows what we'll get into,
but yeah, this is gonna be

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more of a fun night. And
if you're hearing me on the live stream,

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you know I went to air Elite. But what else is old?

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So this is the way it is
lately. What are you gonna do.

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But podcasts, a bunch of those
are gonna get dropped in a little while,

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so get ready for that as well. And by the time you hear

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this, if you only listen to
podcasts, you'd be like, hey,

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you just put all that stuff out, I know. But if you're hearing

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the live stream, you haven't gotten
stuff this week. But I got a

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few to release, so I will
get him out shortly. Matter of fact,

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tonight when I'm done talking to my
friend here anyway, regular Joe,

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how are you doing? Man?
Long time no talk? Yeah, no,

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man, I've missed you. Guys. I've kind of ducked out of

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everything media, you know, due
to the ah stress it put on me.

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It just kept me angry, So
I'll let it go. Was it

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really can you angry? I always
thought you just sort of looked at it

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and thought, Okay, here's the
stupidity of this and that, and that's

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that. You know, You're right, the news in and of itself that

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was my reaction. It's it's the
way people react to it that would just

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keep me angry all the time.
So when somebody brings up a news story

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and I don't know what they're talking
about really shortens that conversation for me.

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Well, and you were working with
the public quite a bit for a bit

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there, and I know every day
some people had to say things to you

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that we're probably annoying the hell out
of you because it was like, uh,

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you know, look that they were
coming to you so that you would

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repeat back to them what they wanted
to hear, which is what I've discovered

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as the key to the universe at
this point. People really just want to

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hear their own thoughts repeated back at
them. They want what do they used

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to call that affirmation something like that, right, Yeah, that's all they

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want. Give me my opinion back
to me. Otherwise you're stupid. Uh,

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That's that's what our entire society and
culture has devolved into. You know,

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agree with everything I say, or
you're the bad guy. Yeah,

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definitely, definitely. I mean,
and I keep discovering that and rediscovering that.

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By the way, if you don't
say exactly what people expect you to

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say, you're no good. It's
weird to me though, because I don't

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know. When I was younger,
certainly and even nowadays, I always like

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to look for what the other guy
is thinking. I always want to see

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Okay, tell me your side of
it. Maybe I'll come over there.

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If you make a good argument,
you know, tell me how you see

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that. I always like to hear
the opposition, the different, the other.

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That's the only way I think you
progress learn. Allow some other information

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to come in, even if it's
crap information. Sometimes you can learn something

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from an idiot, even and there
are many an idiot out there, so

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there are plenty of opportunities to learn
from idiots. I'm not saying you learn

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a lot, but you might learn
one key point from a guy who is

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just, you know, otherwise pretty
much stupid. So I mean, I'm

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just saying it's one of those things. And yet I find that our culture

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has now devolved into no I want. You know, as much as people

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complain about their algorithms feeding them stuff, they want those algorithms to limit it

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to what they already believe. They
only want support of their own opinions.

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They only want support of their own
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their own whatever it is, and
not even necessarily what it is they do.

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I mean, the guy that's eaten
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every day and is wondering why he's
getting fat. He might watch cooking shows,

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indeed, but he only wants to
see cooking shows. Therefore that's all

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he's gonna go for. And that's
fine. And he can look at gourmet

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stuff all day long and then pull
his hot pockets out and eat them.

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I don't care. That's out to
him. And that's what they do politically.

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You know, I've got these high
ideals. I believe in the Constitution.

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I believe in and then meanwhile,
I like Donald Trump. Okay,

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I want a peaceful world where things
are functional and rational. And meanwhile,

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I want the old man running the
White House that's there right now because I'm

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a Democrat. Oh what the hell
is wrong with people? I don't know.

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Yeah, where's the middle of the
road? Now, you know?

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Where is it? That's the other
thing is how do you have Okay,

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you look at a highway. If
you imagine that there were only the shoulders

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to work with on the highway and
there's no roads in the middle. That

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is also the landscape of the career. There is no road, just the

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two shoulders. Yeah, well,
you know what they said. And back

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to the future where we're doing we
don't need roads. Of course you don't,

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because you look, I get it, and maybe you don't. And

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maybe it's my limited way of thinking. And I should only accept things that

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I already believe I mean, and
I should only let you know. The

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Siri and the bots and the artificial
intelligence feed me only the things that are

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properly hashtagged and designed from my point
of view, whatever the hell that is,

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I can't figure it out. And
it all has to be politically correct.

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You can't. You can't make the
left shoulder angry. It has to

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be politically correct. No, no, no, no, that's not true,

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Joe. See, here's the thing. If I don't want political correctness,

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then you better damn well not give
me some political correctness, even if

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it is polite. You know,
like, why can't I use the N

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word in public? And yeah,
I just did a politically correct thing because

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I believe that that is a little
overly offensive to simply use that word coming

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out of my mouth. It sounds
harsh. Oh yeah, that's that's not

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coming out of my mouth. You
can. It's not about political correctness.

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It's just to me, it sounds
bad. It's a bad idea for me

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to use that word. But I
don't want to dance around and try and

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figure out the new names of the
new genders and all that. Forget it.

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I ain't doing it well, okay, man, I don't you know

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what I better not. I don't
think I can say what I was about

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to say on air, you,
no matter how biologically true it may be.

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I don't think I'm allowed to say
what I was about to say on

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airs by that one. No,
no, no, let's not. I'll

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tell you why, dude. Listen. I okay, I'm not on a

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M and FM anymore, so I
don't curse on my show. I don't

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encourage it. But you know what
you do, what you want, you'd

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be you. It's fine if you
got something to say that's messed up.

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Listen. I also was happy to
have Blind Joe on, which you probably

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didn't hear, because oh you did
hear Blind Joe? No, no,

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I didn't, Okay. Blind Joe
has been on several times, but one

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of the times he was on more
recently, he had a show excuse me

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a song U called the Truth and
no, and he got kicked off a

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TikTok for hate speech and stuff for
a song called the truth. And I'll

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just give you the quick synopsis.
I mean, if you were born with

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the penis, you're a boy,
and if you could have a baby,

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you're a girl. And you know
what, if you don't recognize this and

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this is country music, by the
way, and if you don't recognize this

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is true, then you're one of
the dumbest people in the world. And

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given that he said that, and
that I'm paraphrasing his lyrics, he did

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it better. But you can look
it up if you want country song.

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And he was on here talking about
it. Yeah, they they hit him

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for hate speech, encouraging violence against
LGBTQ people, whatever that, and I

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went, wow, okay, well, I don't hear hate speech. I

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don't hear encouragement of violence. And
we actually talked about, you know,

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how how it is people actually use
fairly hateful and violent speech against vulnerable individuals,

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considering the fact that, look,
he's blinder than I am. And

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we talked about how people are abusive
to blind people and you know, telling

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this stuff like we should have never
been born, or parents should have abhorted

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us, you know, things like
that. That sounds pretty hateful to me.

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And to be honest with you,
it sounds a lot more hateful than

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telling people looking if he got a
penis, you're a boy and you okay,

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Yeah, well you said pretty much
what I was going to say.

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You know, you know, I
had this conversation with a fella, that

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really nice fell, a very smart
individual, which I don't encounter much in

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that generation around here. I'm not
going to throw off on the entire generation.

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I'm just saying what I see here
locally, that generation I don't have

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intelligent conversations with very frequently, but
you could with this particular fellow, very

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very smart young man, and he
said that he never really identified himself as

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a male, okay. And I
was like, well, if you mean

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by way of machismo, then you
know, you man beating your chest and

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you know I don't eat it.
I was like, but I do know

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what I was born with attached to
me, therefore male. You know,

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you know, I may not agree
with the sulcial and cultural macheesemo image of

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what a man is supposed to be, and never have, but I am

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a man and I was born a
man, and I have the parts to

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prove it. So well, you
can call yourself whatever you want. I

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don't care. That's none of my
business. I'm not gonna hate you for

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that. I'm not even gonna make
fun of you for that. Right,

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it's not about business. No,
look like I got no problem with any

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of what you're saying. And here's
the thing, I feel free to embrace

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part of what they call toxic masculinity
anymore, right because, like I was

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just saying to somebody the other day, I said, you know, in

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the old days, I appreciated the
idea that I had friends who who you

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know what. Every once in a
while, we'd get a little angry at

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each other, punch each other in
the face and have it out, maybe

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break a couple of things, toss
each other around a bit, you know,

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so long as not some real serious
damage was done that might steal be

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my friend a couple of days later
or a day later whatever. And we

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used to do that, and I
think that was part of the process of

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growing up as a man. I
think that is part of what made us

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man. And yeah, you're on, yeah a little bit. I think

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the testing ground was fair. I
think us hitting each other with rocks and

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sticks, and we were too poor
to buy toys. Yep, I think

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that was part of it. I
think we were supposed to go out and

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eat some dirt. I think we
were supposed to go out and get into

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pointless fistfights with each other when we
were little boys. I think that was

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something we were supposed to do.
So I don't abandon all of the you

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know, chest beating male stuff.
But can we be more civilized as adults?

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I think so? Can we reserve
that for when it's really really needed,

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which is what I've always tried to
do because I'm kind of You wouldn't

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believe it by listening to me talk. But I'm kind of a hot tempered

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guy. I know. I always
was, and I was raised with a

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younger sister, and it was I
was always tasked by my parents protect your

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little sister, right, you know? So I still have that in me.

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If if I see, if I
see like a girl getting yelled at

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by a man, then oh boy, it is just my it's just my

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nature to jump in there and say, hey, what do you think you're

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doing? Well? But but but
how dare you that that that girl can

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take care of herself? Joe,
Well, it's wrong with you there,

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I can't help it. It's how
I was raised. It's like I'm wired

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that way. You know. You
talk on the show about external input with

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another another guest to Greek, Yeah, about external input. That was my

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external input. No, absolutely,
Look, and I don't fault that part

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of the culture for anything that went
wrong here. Matter of fact, I

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think it is part of the character
building exercise. Look, I'm not saying

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that gender roles are absolutely clear.
I'm not saying that every man is defined

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in exactly the same way. We're
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physiology is pretty clear. And I
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doesn't matter what my physiology is.
I can decide anything. Okay, that's

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great in the weird fantasy world.
And yes, indeed, some people want

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to play the girl characters on the
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they're not girls, and some girls
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if they're not. I like using
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well, some of them are.
And I'll tell you Chun Lee on Street

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Fighter used to be my favorite to
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fighter and speed was of the essence. But but that's the thing is I

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like the speed. Plus she had
enough strength that she wasn't weak. You

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know, she didn't have any of
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so much. I mean later on
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her in The Street Fighter, realm
not so much, you know. And

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she was pretty good martial artist all
that. Okay. But here's the thing.

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I think that that's a separate issue. I'm not concerned with political correctness

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necessarily, But there is such a
thing as simply not being an a hole.

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Uh. And I don't think you
have to scream, you know,

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arbitrarily for no reason, a whole
bunch of offensive terms, just to be

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offensive. If you have to make
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from this idea of political correctness. I

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mean, if that was what political
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it. There's no reason for us
to be abrasive with one another at all

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times. The world is going to
rub us the wrong way all the time

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constantly. We don't have to help
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I think we should be a lot
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But look, I want to go
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yeah, yeah, I'll talk to
tell you about something on this subject that

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somebody musical brought up lately, and
I think he's become a victim of cancel

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culture because of it, mister Alice
Cooper, Okay, by the way,

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by the way, really quickly,
just a note the listeners. If you're

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not familiar with regular Joe and he
was talking about his hot temper, I

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urge you to go back in the
archive and maybe see if you can find

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or go back on the whatever feed
you're using, see if you can find

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the show where he talked about his
neighbor, uh and how he had to

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handle that situation, and you'll find
out that indeed, Joe can be hot

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tempered. Uh. I was laughing
my head off. You were telling me

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about this guy getting near your fence
or scrap, and I can't even remember

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the whole story, but I just
remember picturing you confronting this neighbor in a

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very like sort of obscure. You're
you're not in a major city. You're

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you're you're in a very actually very
very rural, very rural area which I

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almost moved to a couple of years
ago. I was getting ready to move

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there. Uh, and uh.
It just didn't work out because of issues

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with the dwelling. But but I
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was peaceful, it was nice,
and there wasn't gonna be too many people

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around. But I was gonna have
Joe as a neighbor, and I thought

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that was huge plus. And I
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we'd have to work something else out
because I need to find an affordable

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place to be and I don't know
where the hell that is anywhere anymore.

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Okay, so let's get to it
and go ahead and tell me about this

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Alice Cooper you bring up. Now. I saw something about it, but

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I didn't delve into it. And
I used to be into Alice Cooper.

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I kinda listened to him for a
little bit when he went and did his

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radio shows, and I think he
still tours once in a while. But

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I'm not really up on the latest
Alice Cooper. I mean, since the

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nineties, I don't think I've really
paid a lot of attention to Alice Cooper,

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except again, when I used to
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he had, Jeez, what was
the name of that show? Nights with

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Alice Cooper or something. I think
it was just called nationally syndicated radio show.

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And he's been a character and an
interesting guy long time. Very theatrical

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on stage. I mean I used
to love the stuff that I used to

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see in the early days when we
couldn't see every musician in the world instantly

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on a video platform, right,
I used to love the theatrics. I

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mean, this is a guy who
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with special effects on stage. Very
uh campy sort of you know,

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horror shock rock kind of stuff that
people like Marilyn Manson would take much further,

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et cetera, et cetera. Weird
note, I do remember one of

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the biggest weirdest stories from before I
was with full memory capabilities. I guess

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my father once dressed up for Halloween
as Alice Cooper, which I felt were

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rather strange and you know, but
apparently he I mean, my dad was

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more of a motown guy, but
clearly he was aware of the you know,

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the guy was the king of shock
rock and that was Alice Cooper.

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So what is the controversy? Can
you give us an explanation about what it

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is he did wrong? And uh
yeah, tell us about that, because

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honestly, I saw it go by
and I kind of went, Alice Cooper

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not really being politically correct, oh
boy, you know, and I just

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passed it by. So but tell
me the details on it if you have.

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Well, I got the details from
my daughter because she's a big rocker.

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Now. She's fourteen and she's way
into the classic rock. She read

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an article from I can't remember where, but Alice Cooper was speaking about transgender

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children and how he thought that they
weren't old enough to choose and that shouldn't

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be done. You know, he
said, because if he said, and

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his reasoning was, if you give
a child a choice to be a boy,

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a girl, or a tree,
some of them will ultimately choose to

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be a tree. This is true. So he said, he didn't care

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about the adult thing. You know, whatever, do what you want to

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do. Well, children will intelligently
and correctly and also, as part of

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their growing process, choose to be
a great many things. I mean,

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in the days when we didn't have
so much you know, media that we

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could access, we had to use
this thing called our imaginations. Well,

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yeah, I would have been a
dragon, right, Maybe you would have

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been a dragon. Maybe you would
have been a cop. Maybe you would

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have been a sports star, maybe
you would have been a rock star,

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maybe you would have been a character
from a TV show you saw. You

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would pretend to be a great many
things, and these things were intense,

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real happy places you could go to. And indeed, you know, some

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people's imaginary worlds get even more intense
when they have, you know, poor

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childhoods, and when they have issues
in their childhood, they have unhappy homes.

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They might want to spend a lot
of time in their own headspace imagining

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that they're not only not in that
home, but a creature that wouldn't even

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possibly live in that home because they
want to remove themselves from something. Now,

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that doesn't mean that that's wrong or
bad or anything. You do always

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have to sit down and explain to
children and that there is a difference between

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your you know, pretend life and
your real life. That always has to

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come up, because you know,
if you let them get so out of

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control with the pretend. You know, some of them might become avant god

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or avant garde artists, that's true, but the majority of them will be

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dysfunctional as people if they stay stuck
in their day dreams. But that's it.

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That's the thing that is a mind
that is not prepared to make final

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decisions. I mean, I I've
very much seen. Look, body alteration,

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it's pretty simple. You've gotta be
of a certain age to get a

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tattoo. Why because it has permanent
consequences. So do these things. So

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wouldn't it make sense that you would
use the same logic here. Let's assume

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that all of the other you know, well, this is perfectly natural.

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They should be allowed to Okay,
look if I argue with none of that

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and just stand by the idea that
an adult has freedom to do whatever they

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want so long as they're not harming
others as far as I'm concerned. I

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mean, Joe, if you want
to sit there and burn yourself with branding

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irons because you like the effect of
the scar on your skin, I have

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no right to tell you not to
do it. I don't. For the

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record, I'm pulling a crazy example. No, you don't, of course

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not. You're a regular Joe.
You're not. You're not freaky BDSM Joe.

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You you you are regular Joe.
You know BDSM Joe will be on

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the show next week. But I'm
kidding, although I have had Lady Maga

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the Donald Trump supporting drag queen on
here. But anyways, back to it,

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Yeah, that's the thing. Anyways, back to it, Yeah,

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I mean, but if you chose
that, I got no right to tell

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you not to. I mean,
that's up to you. You're you're a

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grown man. I can't be like
whoa for his own protection, We're gonna

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stop him. Bro. No,
you want to scar yourself, you want

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to alter your body. You want
to uh, you know add implants,

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which men add implants too. I
mean, women do the breast implants.

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We know about all that, but
I mean apparently they make pectoral implants for

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men. And some men want their
butts to be shaped differently. They get

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these, you know, butt implants. There are penile implants, uh,

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in order to enhance that part of
you. I have no right to tell

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you not to implant things, alter
things on your body. You want to

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get to you know, and I
don't know what do we call that?

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An extra? I can't even say
it's straight. What I was thinking of

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is and you want to go get
circumcised a second time, it's up to

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you. I mean, you want
to just add a whole second penis or

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you listen, you want to do
that. I mean, look, that's

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between you, the doctor and your
wife and how much money you got as

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far as i'm and I mean,
look, you want to have you know,

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artificial foreskin added. I mean,
dude, it's all up to you

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as far as I'm concerned. You
know what I mean. You you know

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you want to get a pair of
breasts for your wife's back, and she's

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all for it. Go do?
I mean, what can I You want

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to get four wheels surgically attached to
yourself and call yourself a wagon? Great?

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Let me suggest where the handle should
go. Of course, there's great

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places for the handle to go.
Uh, you know, and the piercings

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too, like you know, the
bull ring through the nose. I mean,

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please enjoy tattoo your face. Have
fun. You're an adult. It's

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your body, all right, not
my business. I don't care, but

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I don't at least I don't care
at all. Yeah, but I do

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find it strange that permanent decisions,
because these will become permanent when they start

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adding these you know, blockers and
all that thing. So you know what

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I think. I agree with Alice
Cooper and in fact, I would take

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it further, like, use the
same standard you would for a tattoo.

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Simple right, right, Yeah,
And I can't say that I disagree with

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him. There you go. So, but he's in trouble for this now

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because they're calling it what hate speech? He's anti LGBTQ. Ye all that?

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Yep, you nailed it. Okay, Well what can I say?

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I mean, wait, did you
learn anything else about this? How has

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he responded except probably in typical Alice
Cooper fashion to say, look, this

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was an intelligent statement I made.
In hell with it. It is what

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it is, because that's pretty much
Alice Cooper. Yeah, okay, pretty

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much. He's not sorry. There's
no apology coming. No. He might

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have said, look, I didn't
mean to hurt anybody, but I'm not

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going to apologize for the truth.
I mean something like that, I imagine.

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Yeah, you know, because he's
not despite the strange and raucous and

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you know, dark imagery and weird
stuff he does on stage and whatnot,

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he's not a you know, a
violent person. He's not somebody who encourages

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problems. He's not a hateful you
know, he doesn't do songs or performances

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that are meant to inspire violence against
anybody. Oh, I don't think he

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has any assault charges either. Another
interesting factoid about mister Cooper there. I

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can't remember his real name, but
I used to know, but I can't

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remember anymore. But his mother's family
is from the same county in Tennessee where

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my wife is from. No kidding. Yeah, it's a very small place

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to very small, very rule.
I'm hearing a scraping noise there. Wasn't

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sure what was going on there.
Okay, yeah, no, Alice Cooper,

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he is from the same he's from
Tennessee. Huh his mother's family,

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yeah, sure enough. I didn't
know his mother herself lived there. I

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think he may have as a small
child. Huh. Well, I'm gonna

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yeah, I'm gonna check in with
it and see see exactly, because you

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know what, I used to know
his name off the top of my head,

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and when I see it, I'm
gonna be you know, upset.

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Yeah, me too, because that's
just you know, the way it is.

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It's one of those things like,
ah, I used to know that

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off the top of my head all
the time, but nowadays not so much.

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He was born ready, this is
actually no, this doesn't pop off

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into right at me as it should
to be honest. He was born Vincent

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Damon Furnier. Yep, that's right, okay, all right, Well that

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one didn't jump right off of my
like I know that Ozzy Osbourne is John

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Michael Osborne. That that's an immediate
one I always have. But you know

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me, uh, you know,
not not unusual early life. Let's see.

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He was born on February four,
February four, nineteen forty eight,

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according to Wikipedia, now in Detroit, Michigan. Moved there the way I

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understand it, he may have been
born there, but his mother his mother

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was is from Scott County, Tennessee. Well Maroni Moroney of Furnier and his

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wife Ella May let's see, was
named after his uncle, Vincent. Okay,

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a short story about Damon Runyan was
the other name that yo said.

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That's where they got the middle name. His father was an evangelist in the

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Church of Jesus Christ. What's he
informally known as black Wait a minute,

409
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.640
as a big big bicker tonights.
Okay, I don't know that that's a

410
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.519
weird one anyway. Paternal grandmother,
Blah blah blah, was an Apostle from

411
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:32.200
nineteen seventeen, but Cooper wasn't active
in his church. At the ages of

412
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:36.559
eleven and twelve. Following a series
of childhood illnesses, he moved with his

413
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.480
family to Phoenix, Arizona, where
he attended courtest High School. I don't

414
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.440
know, maybe there's something in his
early life that Wikipedia doesn't have. Big

415
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.920
shock there if Wikipedia's information is incorrect, but possibly do you have to follow

416
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.319
his mother? I think he said
her name was Elama, Is that right?

417
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:56.640
Yeah? That definitely that sounds like
I was gonna say, that definitely

418
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.680
sounds like a Tennessee or Kentucky or
Westbridge, yeah, or you know,

419
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.160
Elma is definitely like you know that
that could have easily been Charles Manson's mother's

420
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:11.319
sister's name there and Scott County actually
borders Kentucky, so ah, there you

421
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.079
go. So that makes a bit
of sense. But anyway, in northeastern

422
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.039
Tennessee, the general legend I know
is that he's from Detroit. That's for

423
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.160
sure, all right. Anyways,
whatever it is, it is, I

424
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:27.039
mean, huge, long career from
the seventies, actually from the late sixties,

425
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.920
right, I think. So let's
see early let's go to his career

426
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.880
real fast Okay, the Spiders and
Naz in nineteen sixty four, Okay,

427
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.559
sixteen years old, let's see in
sixty six Spiders sixty seven, the band

428
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.799
had begun to make regular name changed
to Alice Cooper. In nineteen sixty eight.

429
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.680
The band learned that Todd Rundgren,
who was also in the band,

430
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.839
also had a band called Naz and
found themselves and need him another stage name.

431
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.799
Believe in the group of they chose
the name Alice Cooper largely because it

432
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:07.400
sounded innocuous and wholesome. Okay.
In his two thousand and seven book Alice

433
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:14.319
Cooper Golf Monster, Cooper stated that
his look was inspired in part by films.

434
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.839
One of the band's all time bands
movies was Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?

435
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.799
Okay, starring Betty Davis. Well, that explains the crazy Messcarren stuff

436
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:29.440
right, Okay, let's see the
class Galice Cooper group lineup consisted of blah

437
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.640
blah blah. Okay, I'm just
going I'm just like skimming through taking a

438
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.960
look at this scene. If there's
something Let's see. Cooper's debut studio album,

439
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.839
Uh Pretties for You as nineteen sixty
nine. Okay, so I was

440
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.799
right. The Alice Cooper thing really
starts in sixty nine with that first album,

441
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.799
although the band's name was changed previous
to that, et cetera, et

442
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.960
cetera. And then in the seventies, I mean he takes off and we

443
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:57.200
get you know, Schools Out and
all that stuff. Let's see, we

444
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:03.599
got dates here in seventy two.
Seventy one featured a stage show including mock

445
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.960
fights and gothic torture models. That
was in seventy one, already follow up

446
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.920
album Killer in seventy two or seventy
three. The summer of seventy two,

447
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.200
solo released of the single Schools Out
Okay, there's our schools out Comes in

448
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.319
that reached number two in the US
charts. Blah blow okay. Billion Dollar

449
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.079
Babies was in seventy three. Okay. That was right after with a string

450
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.799
of successful concept albums No no,
no, okay. Muscle of Love,

451
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.960
which is pretty funny, released end
of seventy three, so he released two

452
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.920
albums that year. Teenage Lament was
in seventy four. Okay, he was

453
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.839
really like putting out an album constantly. Let's see return to the solo art

454
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.480
Okay. He returned as a solo
artist and Welcome to My Nightmare in seventy

455
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.480
five see love song. Yeah,
and that is a freaky iconic sort of

456
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.119
a song, right, yea,
Yeah. I was in a band one

457
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.319
time. We were playing this little
gig uh call called the New Amsterdam in

458
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:08.359
Knoxville, Tenners Knoxville, Tennessee,
and we were doing a benefit for the

459
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:15.960
Hard Knocks Roller Girls, the roller
Derby, right, and one of them

460
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.920
was dressed as Alice Cooper from Welcome
to My Nightmare. I'll never forget that

461
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:27.079
costume because she was so almost spot
on nice. Yeah, that was a

462
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.440
really cool costume. I had had
a little Derby hat and all you know,

463
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.279
m let's see from the inside.
I'm going through a whole bunch of

464
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.519
this stuff because now now I'm taking
a look at the rest of Oh god.

465
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.359
He was a villain in the in
the film Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Arts Club

466
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.559
Band, which is wow awful movie. Oh wow, I about that.

467
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:54.759
Let's see nineteen eighties. Let's see
he's in Zipper Catches Roy Thomas Bigger eighty

468
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:58.680
three. Now I'm waiting for when
I think it's eighty five or eighty six,

469
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.880
he gets to do the Friday thirteen
soundtrack. Right, let's see about

470
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:06.599
eighty six Friday the thirteenth, part
six, Jason lives and I'm pretty sure

471
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.640
yeah, man behind the mask okay? Cool? Uh? And that coincided

472
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:14.559
with his album Constrictor, which I
remember buying brand new from the record stores

473
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.319
and stuff I was fourteen. I
had of course, I had copies of

474
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.319
Schools Out and I even went to
the trouble to get me the one that

475
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.720
was actually a pop out desk.
It was a record and it was a

476
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:28.920
pop out desk that you could actually
put the little legs from the desk down

477
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.079
and you could open the top of
the record and it was like one of

478
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:36.279
those old wooden desks. That is
cool. I always love the album art

479
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.680
like that, like physical graffiti,
how you could spin it and the big

480
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.920
different people in the windows. Yeah, yeah, you know what. The

481
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.000
concepts were great with some of the
album art with lifted riffs. That's true.

482
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.960
Anyways, you know, you know, I'm a big ladhead. That's

483
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.079
that's where you and uh, that's
where where our paths diverge. We definitely

484
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.480
we diverge on there, Okay,
but it is it is a thing.

485
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:04.359
Let's see shocking spectrals other than a
kind of controversy in Europe. Anyway,

486
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.079
I'm just taking a look through here. Oh of course, there was the

487
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.079
time he went to WrestleMania in eighty
seven. Oh wow, I forgot about

488
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.719
that. I remember Ozzie was cool. If we wouldn't have been cool,

489
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.880
if we could have seen Donald Trump
and Alice Cooper in a fight, that

490
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.679
would have been hilarious. Although Ozzie
Osbourne was there, I believe also at

491
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:28.360
that same WrestleMania. Maybe, oh
maybe Rozzie was at WrestleMania two and Cooper

492
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.880
was at WrestleMania three. Three was
the big deal because it was whole Covid

493
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.400
versus Andre the Giant. But anyways, okay, ninety one, he releases

494
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.559
his nineteen studio album Hey Stupid,
which I always thought it was a funny

495
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:44.000
song, not like the best of
his best work, but very catchy,

496
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:51.000
very useful song. Was feeding my
Frankenstein on that same one. You know,

497
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.280
I was just looking for that because
I'm looking for let's see, he's

498
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.960
on Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare, Nightmare and now I'm straight. So

499
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.000
he did both of those. Let's
see last Temptation album Hollywood Records A Fist

500
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:06.079
Full of Alice in Saint Clown Posse's
The Great Malenko. Wait a minute,

501
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.599
what is this uh? In nineteen
Okay Fist Full of Alice was released,

502
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.760
and in nineteen ninety seven he lent
his voice to the intro track of in

503
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.440
Saint Cloud's Posse's The Great Malenko.
I didn't know that. I didn't know

504
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.920
that. Wow, but i CP
always makes me laugh. Yeah no,

505
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.000
and I you know I like them
as well. Let's see Okay Dungeons,

506
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:34.199
Dragon seventy Nights and Nights Okay Cooper's
radio show Nights with Alice Cooper, Dirty

507
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.519
Timonds. I'm not seeing that that
that here. I know it's it's somewhere

508
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.920
though, because that's when he was
in the movie Wayne's World. That's gotta

509
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.719
be. Okay, Let's let's roll
it back a little bit, because that's

510
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:50.280
gotta be like eighty eighty nine.
I don't think I was in high school,

511
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.360
which would have put a post ninety
Let's see Diamond Child produced a Grammy

512
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.960
nominative of rena Tour. Where is
it did he showed I know he showed

513
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.280
up in that movie though, because
they do the whole thing. We're not

514
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.679
worthy and they're bowing to him and
all that. Okay, Garden Freddy's taed

515
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:12.119
like Mary holm Street. Use your
Illusion. Uh, let's see guessed it

516
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.679
on records by the most guy he
was on Use your Illusion one. Oh

517
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.760
wow, he guessed it on there. I didn't know that. Okay,

518
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:22.760
well here it is. Oh,
you're gonna you're gonna love this. Cooper

519
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.639
made a cameo appearance in the nineteen
ninety two comedy film Wayne's World, Yes

520
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.760
ninety two, Okay, and that
is he does feed my Frankenstein in there.

521
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.920
Let's see the band to discussed it. Yeah, that is pretty funny

522
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.079
where he starts discussing, you know, where Milwaukee comes from and everything,

523
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:43.960
like, yeah, it's like an
intellectual the guy you know, and he

524
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.280
is actually kind of intellectual, Like
you listen to that radio show and he

525
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.840
starts to like, you know,
do little runs, little rambles. He

526
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:54.440
actually can talk and hold your attention
and tell you stories. You know.

527
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.960
You know, always thought that he
and Howard Stern look alike. Yeah,

528
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.480
in a way like if you combine
almost if Joey Ramone and Alice Cooper had

529
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:07.199
a baby. That's what Howard Stern
would look like, you know, I

530
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.880
like, you know, that's pretty
good analogy there. You know, I

531
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:15.400
actually saw the Ramones in nineteen ninety
six. Yeah, I had seen them

532
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.800
a couple of times. But you
know, the Ramones are an interesting we're

533
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.800
an interesting cultural phenomena onto themselves.
Well, you know, I didn't buy

534
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.559
Ramon's tickets. You know, I'm
not that guy. They were at Lollapalooza

535
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.840
that year. So enough, fair
enough. So anyway, look, we

536
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.719
were gonna talk actually about music,
and we stumbled into Alice Cooper because of

537
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.840
the controversy for you guys listening out
there. But I'll tell you what I

538
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.679
think. What we're gonna do here
is take just a quick little break and

539
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.039
I'm gonna come back with maybe about
another twenty minutes with regular Joe on the

540
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.320
Ocelli a back end. With any
luck, we're gonna get more appearances from

541
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:58.760
regular Joe in the near future because
it's time to do some like discussions on

542
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.000
the show too, and who knows, maybe they'll get intense. Also,

543
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.519
I don't know, I never know
where these go. There's no script.

544
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.440
We vaguely have a plan, and
then Joe and I get together. This

545
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.360
is how we talk off here too. Anyways, the Shelley effect will continue

546
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551
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552
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553
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554
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555
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.360
chilly and we are not responsible.
We're getting stupidity, which might assumed.

556
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.559
Thank your revelation through conversation. Oh
cool. Do you remember that time when

557
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:45.239
Benjamin Fulford said that an Asian secret
society was going to dispatch ninjas to take

558
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.239
down the Illuminati? Oh that's interesting, Yeah and the clatoon? Yeah?

559
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.360
Did that ever work out too?
Good? No, it didn't didn't.

560
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.760
But here on Ocelli dot com Radio
network, things work out a bit better.

561
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:04.119
Don't they much better? But I
mean it's clearly and understanding about the

562
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:10.639
programs. The programs much clear getting
live people into it. They really have

563
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.079
a good conversation going much better,
so much better scene. I say,

564
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:21.239
forget Benjamin Fulford and his ninches and
listen to the Ocelli dot Com radio network.

565
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.400
I agree, it's straight to the
point, straight talk, and I

566
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:37.559
like that idea Ocelli dot Com get
from the big fan of the show Ocelli

567
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568
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569
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.639
of the twenty twenty first centuries are
stream now most the most agated boys and

570
00:40:53.320 --> 00:41:02.719
all the Dolly. That's the older
intro from the show. I might go

571
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.840
back to playing that once in a
while. Anyway. It is what it

572
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.719
is. Second segment of the Ocelli
Effect here on a Thursday, and regular

573
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.719
Joe is with me. So we
went out on that last segment talking about

574
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.400
Alice Cooper, which we didn't plan. I just pulled up the Wikipedia and

575
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.960
started skimming through it. What the
hell? This is the way these shows

576
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.400
might go and we might have some
musical discussions now and then. I think

577
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.159
that's gonna happen. Maybe I'll pick
some unusual pieces of things to talk about.

578
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.639
But who knows. We did a
discussion about the Rock and Roll Hall

579
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.559
of Fame induction ceremonies. I think
we played some clips or took a look

580
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.000
at something anyway during the one show. I mean, what the hell,

581
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.880
we'll do that. We'll take a
look at just what our opinions are.

582
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.199
Wait a minute. Two of us
might have been musicians at certain points in

583
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.880
our lives. So that means we
don't have opinions, right, No,

584
00:41:53.199 --> 00:42:01.559
No, Mucussons aren't opinionated. Check. Musicians are not opinionated or judgmental at

585
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:06.840
all, are they. No,
They're just always right. Yeah, that's

586
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.639
what it is. We're always right. Even even when people are dead wrong,

587
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:14.880
they think they're right. Okay,
so yeah, that happens. We

588
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:17.360
might do that. We might have
clashes over things. Matter of fact,

589
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.360
I'm going to bring up something that
we might clash over right now, and

590
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:22.679
I'm not going to give you a
hint as to what I think or why.

591
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:30.320
But here's the thing. People got
really upset Jimmy Buffett died. Jimmy

592
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.639
Buffett. Yeah, so did you
know that? Yeah, my mom told

593
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.679
me she was really bummed out about
it. Yeah, Jimmy Buffett. You

594
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.039
know he's an old guy, right, He's been around a long time.

595
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.400
Oh yeah, yeah, he's been
around a long time. I was surprised

596
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:51.440
to learn that he had put together
about a billion dollars getting paid off of

597
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.480
his music through constant touring. He
created a restaurant, he created the whole

598
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.599
beach bum lifestyle kind of thing.
Whatever they call all that. I don't

599
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.519
know. Uh, you know they
in Mugarydog, That's all I remember.

600
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.239
And then it was like an AM
radio staple when I was a kid.

601
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.960
But other than that, it was
kind of like, Wow, I can't

602
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.280
believe this guy came up with a
billion dollars off of what I consider to

603
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.360
be mediocre music at best. And
it's like, there's no all you need.

604
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:23.199
And I'm not going to disagree with
that at all. I'm not a

605
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.400
big Jimmy Buffett fan. Okay.
See, now, I wasn't sure how

606
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.199
you might fall on that because you
and I have disagreements over certain people and

607
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:36.920
and it's it's pretty intense to disagree. It's as as I mentioned in the

608
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.079
first hour, I had mentioned lifted
rips, and then Joe replies, well,

609
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.559
I'm a lead ahead. What are
we talking about? Led Zeppelin?

610
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:51.079
Oh ye, so to me,
to me, to me, and and

611
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.119
I hope we have many conversations like
this. Actually, and to me,

612
00:43:55.079 --> 00:44:00.000
it's the greatest rock band ever.
See now that that, to me is

613
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.639
depends, okay, on on how
you want to look at it. My

614
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.880
favorite is not necessarily the greatest band
ever. My greatest band ever is actually

615
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:14.920
Alison Chains. Oh, greatest of
the nineties, greatest of their era.

616
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.119
Absolutely no argument from me, Lane
Staley and Jerry Cantrail as a combo was

617
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.840
oh man, that was that was
nineties perfection. Yeah. So, I

618
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:29.559
mean everybody everybody wants to talk about
Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Why Alison Chains

619
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.159
and Sound Garden were twice the acts
those guys were. That's all you need

620
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:36.599
is Alison Chains and the story.
I mean, that's it. And even

621
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:42.280
when they made personnel changes up until
up until Lane and Jerry are both gone,

622
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.760
Okay, then then you got problems. I mean, look, the

623
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.559
new guy, he doesn't adequate job. But there's just there's not that soul

624
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.400
in it. That soul is gone, you know, and that's all there

625
00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.760
is to it. But Alison Chains, to me is the best band band

626
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.159
that I ever saw. My favorite
band is Black Sabbath, you know that.

627
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.039
And I can't stand led Zeppelin because
they ripped off a lot of other

628
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:12.159
artists in my opinion, which they
did, absolutely they did. I mean

629
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.159
I just asked Muddy Waters, right, well, you know Muddy Waters,

630
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.599
all these other people weird freaky stuff
that you can find online. There's a

631
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.039
whole bit. I know. I
set you all those videos of like here's

632
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.000
the comparisons and all that. It's
true. And I knew about that years

633
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.360
ago because there were controversies. There
were estates suing them. There were you

634
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.000
know, claims of like Page Plant
wrote this, you know, and it's

635
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:37.320
like, no, they didn't,
because it pre existed, this record here

636
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.599
in the seventies when somebody you know, burned it onto an ascetate in the

637
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.039
forties and the sixties and the fifties. Oh whoops. But I didn't like.

638
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.280
And it's really funny because Bill Burr, who did the f is for

639
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:53.760
Family series, which is hilarious and
unfortunately has ended cartoon series. You know,

640
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:59.519
he represented a led Zeppelin type band
and they were called Lifted Riffs.

641
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.159
Its very befitting too, because you
know, give the devil his due right,

642
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:10.840
which they did not. So but
here's the interesting spin on that.

643
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.519
It turns out that Bill Burr is
a led Zeppelin fan and he's a drummer

644
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:21.760
and talks about John Bonham like a
lot on his podcast see and to me,

645
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.159
I know, John Bonham has always
been one of these venerated drummers.

646
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.920
You know, I'm not saying,
and I don't go, well, Bill

647
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.239
Ward's better. These guys were products
of their time. I don't see Bonham

648
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:39.079
as all that impressive. He's solid, he's solid, But really the most

649
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:45.000
impressive musician technically in that band was
John Paul Jones. John Paul Jones,

650
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.920
oh, one hundred percent all the
way. He's He's the unsung hero of

651
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.800
led Zeppelin. Because what makes Bonham
Bonham is that he's distinctive. He's distinctive,

652
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:59.320
Okay, fair, he's distinctive.
See and Jimmy Page is sloppy as

653
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:04.280
hell, Oh worry. I mean
it didn't matter if he was an old

654
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.039
man, young man, sober,
high, drunk, it didn't matter it's

655
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:13.119
just slop slopfest, that's what he
is. And Robert Plant is at one

656
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:19.199
timing quite inconsistent. It's because he
had no timing, and you can see

657
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.360
it even now the stuff he does
with Alison Krause. I love her.

658
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.960
I think that her voice is just
angelic, you know, and she's in

659
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.239
a genre that I despise. But
at the same time, I love Allison

660
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.599
Krause. Her voice makes all the
hair stand up on the back of my

661
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.800
neck when I hear it. But
when you see Plant on stage with her,

662
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:44.000
he's he has no rhythm at all. Well, look at you.

663
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.320
You may not be a fan of
Whitney Houston's pop music, but you got

664
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.760
to admit skills when you hear skills. Okay, it's just that simple.

665
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.000
I don't want like Marshall Mathers,
but he's the goat. Listen. You

666
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:58.760
gotta give it to him for that, for that particular style that he cultivated

667
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:04.760
and does quite well. And I
mean alliteration. He's certainly a poetic h

668
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.360
Whatever it is you want to say
about the content of that poetry, it's

669
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.679
up to you. But you know, again, these are genres where you

670
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.360
can consider that. Look there there's
people that master things, and Page was

671
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.760
good in a studio. He can
make a lot of things sound good in

672
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.480
a studio. I give him that, but to me, it's like,

673
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.400
not that impressive, and you stole
a lot of your music. I don't

674
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.440
like him for this reason, so
I'll be one of those guys forever.

675
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.639
Which, by the way, I
argue with missus oh about this. Uh

676
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:37.800
so I argue a bit, yeah, and I argue with everybody about this.

677
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.000
It's like, oh, you know, what's one of your favorite class

678
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.039
If you ask anybody and they have
an awareness of, you know, music

679
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.239
in the seventies at all, let
Zeppelin comes up. Oh yeah, so

680
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.440
you know, I mean, isn't
that the big three of the seventies?

681
00:48:54.519 --> 00:49:00.119
It is for me. Sabbath has
grown in to that position, but for

682
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.800
a long time they were not one
of the recognized bands. You know.

683
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.960
And you know, if you were
a heavy metal guy, yes you knew

684
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.119
them. If you were a hard
rock guy, yes you knew them.

685
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.599
But you know, pretty much like
ACDC does not change very much. They

686
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.960
continue to release the same thing over
and over again. But it is the

687
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.639
ACDC thing, you know what I
mean. It's okay, but it's not

688
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:28.199
expansive, it's not particularly technical.
Some of that stuff is very cool,

689
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:34.480
very seriously gritty, blues oriented and
original. The way Angus Young did stuff,

690
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.320
I don't know. You know,
look, some of the ways that

691
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.880
Zeppelin did things are semi original,
but it's difficult to take them seriously as

692
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:49.159
an innovator, regardless of popularity,
considering all the stuff they ripped off.

693
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.519
So I mean, it's just there's
where my problem is. But look,

694
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.639
let's get away from the Zeppelin thing, because we could talk about a lot

695
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.199
of other stuff. And we did
talk about Jimmy Buffett for a second.

696
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.920
Who's dead. And I know I'm
pissing some people at the over dude,

697
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:06.039
So Jimmy Bubba, And look,
I can't begrudge he made a billion dollars

698
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:10.239
off of that stuff, according to
reports, and he was a good marketer.

699
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.960
It didn't make him a good musician, no, But you know what

700
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:19.880
adequate enough though that I still remember
his tunes, right, Yeah, Well,

701
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.119
of course, I mean, because
the inundated pop culture. It's been

702
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:27.079
in commercials, it's been in movies, it's been in TV shows, it's

703
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.920
it's it's on T shirts, it's
Dave Grohl parody parody. I can't say

704
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:35.880
that he did a parody of it. Yes, true. But here's the

705
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:37.400
thing, you know, even if
you ask people about okay, so who

706
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.480
are the great guitarists? I mean, and they might say, oh,

707
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:44.039
well, how about Ingray Mallenstein now, or there's the name you haven't heard

708
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.480
in a while, how about Joe
Satriani? How about yeah? Okay,

709
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.760
now, name me three other songs. You can't, but you can name

710
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:54.679
Buffett stuff because it's stuck, you
know what I'm saying now, you know,

711
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.159
and to me, some of the
more technical and underrated still underrated,

712
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.599
even though they've got a lot more
do is people like Randy Rhodes and stuff

713
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.920
like that. Over the years,
at a certain point that was relegated to

714
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.880
a subculture. It wasn't even part
of something you would imagine would end up

715
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:15.360
in the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame or on regular radio. And that

716
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.440
was a different animal at that time. Now it's a whole lot more mainstream,

717
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.199
it's a whole lot more acceptable.
Of course, Randy Rhodes was always

718
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:22.719
seemed as a great guitarist. No, he wasn't. First of all,

719
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.719
he wasn't seen as a great guitarist
when he was doing Quiet Riot albums that

720
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:31.519
were only released in Japan, those
albums kind of suck actually, And you

721
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.599
know, and when he did the
azzy stuff, he had to deal with

722
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:42.360
the azzy baggage, so that was
a problem for Randy Rhodes. And also

723
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:47.639
he was only on the scene legitimately
about three years on the world scene.

724
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.639
So no matter how much he innovated, no matter what he recorded, no

725
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:58.400
matter the oddness of his live tonal
playing and everything else, and a lot

726
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.199
of interesting mixes he did between classical
and very standard hard rock stuff, complex

727
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:08.920
rhythms, the way he noodled over
Black Sabbath riffs almost with a grudge against

728
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.880
them when he played them, and
yet still figured out a way to make

729
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.079
them sound very cool and different.
Were even playing iron Man, which is

730
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:22.039
not an easy thing to play in
a recognizable way and also take it in

731
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:27.159
another direction at the same time.
Many people have tried and they usually fail.

732
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.519
But you listen to Rhodes play that, or you listen to him play

733
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.639
Children as the Grave, or you
listen to him play anything that was a

734
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.599
Black Sabbath song, and you know
what, all of a sudden, it

735
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.239
sounds better. And if you want
to hear what a guitarist of that time

736
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:44.159
using similar equipment got to do with
it, just listen to Brad Gillis,

737
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.280
who was, you know, the
guitarist from Night Ranger and stepped in after

738
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:53.480
a couple of shows with a guy
named Bernie Tormey with Ozzie, and all

739
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.239
of a sudden you got Brad Gillis
in there, who did an adequate job,

740
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.360
but certainly wasn't Randy Rhodes could not
come anywhere near the guy's proficiency,

741
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:07.000
the guy's you know, way of
playing that was due to his classical abilities.

742
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.239
Randy Rhodes, yea, even though
he's known for playing metal, he

743
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:15.480
was a classical guitarist, right right, yeah, And if you can master

744
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:20.920
that, I'm pretty sure that's the
pinnacle of musical creation from humans. Well

745
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.320
maybe, but you know what,
if you take a good listen to the

746
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:29.239
very blues oriented and very very heavy
stuff that has come out of again,

747
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.679
one of Ozzie's guitarists Zach Wilde,
And of course I love him because he's

748
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.599
from Jersey, but oh man,
I like Zach Wilde because of the way

749
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.639
he makes that guitarist wheel. You
always know it Zach Wilde. If I've

750
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.639
never heard the track before and it
starts out with a heavy guitar and I

751
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.440
hear that squeal, I'd say that's
Zach. You see. That's the thing.

752
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.800
Those false harmonics which were utilized by
by hard rock people here and there,

753
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.559
Zach made them into something else,
and he grew from his time with

754
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.960
Ozzie and all that into some thing
completely different in over time. He's the

755
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.440
only guitarist oss He ever had that
could actually pull off Randy's RIfS too.

756
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.360
That was the other thing. He
got pretty close, man, he was

757
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:17.000
just right there. He quiet there. But jak Lee is worth mint jake

758
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:22.199
Elee's worth mentioning. But when he
tried to play Randy stuff, oh rough.

759
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.239
I mean, if you, if
you take a listen to you can

760
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.679
find this online right now on YouTube. Ten different versions of it, The

761
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:35.119
US Festival. The US Festival right
where Ozzie comes out as a dressed as

762
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.639
a like a like a kind of
like a voodoo priest with a big old

763
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.840
crazy mask on, like he's in
a Scooby Doo movie. It comes out

764
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.960
dressed like that right at this thing
they used to call the US or US

765
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:52.239
festival, which was a big deal
for a couple of years in the eighties,

766
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.119
and jak Lee's the guitarist, and
they opened with I Think over the

767
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.760
Mountain. Yeah, you hear that, you hear the deficients and Jakie Lee

768
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.559
versus Randy Rhodes right away. Well, Randy Rhodes was kind of a master

769
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:12.079
that. Another thing that I thought
was interesting about Randy Rhodes is he he

770
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:17.760
always took lessons and talk and talk
guitar. So he was constantly taking lessons

771
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.119
and teaching. Yes, so I
mean he was just always getting better.

772
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.480
Apparently he did that on the road, even when he was getting highly paid

773
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.480
with with Ozzie's Band, or not
highly paid, highly paid but paid well.

774
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:35.679
Now here's an interesting thing I learned
about a much different kind of guitarist.

775
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:37.760
It's not even in the same class
with Randy Rhodes, but the way

776
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:43.920
he learned guitar amazed me. And
hats off to you for it. Dave

777
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:50.719
Grohl, Okay, the role learned
guitar when he was touring playing drums and

778
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.199
Nirvana. He was touring with Nirvana
and playing drums, there was only one

779
00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.480
guitar there available to him to learn
on. It was Kurt's guitar right.

780
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:05.000
Kurt was left handed. My friend
Dave girl was right handed. M hm.

781
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:12.239
He learned to play guitar upside down, yes, indeed. And you

782
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.079
know, hats off to you,
man, that's amazing. What kind of

783
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:21.239
genius mind do you have to have
to do that. What's funny is I'll

784
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.599
tell you about a guy whose name
you're never gonna hear. And I can't

785
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:28.440
even remember his last name now unless
somebody told it to me. But there

786
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:34.239
was this guy I knew named Tyrone
who looked like an overgrown Gary Coleman.

787
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.800
I kid, you not uh like
you know, he's this black kid that

788
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.320
I knew in in Asbury Park.
He was actually from Long Branch, New

789
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:47.119
Jersey, and he played uh left
handed, but he didn't have a left

790
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.320
handed guitar when he learned. So
what did he do. He flipped over

791
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.400
a right handed guitar and that's the
way he played right, oh wow.

792
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.639
And it just that's the way he
was. And he played every kind of

793
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:06.000
metal and rock possible, like within
I don't know, less than a year

794
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:08.719
he was doing that. And he
was, you know, establishing bands and

795
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:13.719
stuff like this, like at the
age of sixteen. He just went,

796
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:19.280
let me try and figure that out
and did okay. And I watched this

797
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.280
kid. This kid was cool.
He unfortunately passed away a few years ago.

798
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:27.800
Otherwise I would love to see what
he's doing now. He never got

799
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.719
out of the local scene or anything, but I assure you had some talent.

800
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.440
He could hold his own with guys
that were playing for ten fifteen years,

801
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.559
no problem. I mean the guys
that we used to know that would

802
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.719
you know, wind up in their
garage or basement or whatever and be playing

803
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.280
for ten years before they came out
with a band. Right, this kind

804
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:50.320
of thing, Uh yeah. He
did that in like less than a year

805
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.119
and just did it. And I
was like, wow. He was playing

806
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:58.880
like all sorts of complicated death metal
riffs, every kind of like I said,

807
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.079
every kind of rock, every kind
of hard rock, metal, whatever.

808
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.239
He could play it, and he
could mostly play it by year.

809
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.599
Didn't know how to read a damn
thing on music, and he's playing it

810
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.519
with an upside down right handed guitar. Left handed were the weirdest thing I

811
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.880
ever saw. And he looked like, I swear to God, a giant

812
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:20.920
Gary Coleman. He looked exactly like
Gary Coleman like and even at one point

813
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:24.280
had that box cut you know that
that like later eighties, early nineties box

814
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:30.760
cut black guys would have almost like
Craig Robinson man something like that. And

815
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.079
it was the wildest thing. I
always thought Tyrone was going to be huge,

816
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.400
and he didn't. He didn't get
big. He played, you know,

817
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.400
local clubs and was in a variety
of bands and was incredibly talented.

818
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:46.199
Wound up doing studio work with some
interesting guys in the hip hop community on

819
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:50.239
the East Coast at a certain point. But I don't know enough about that

820
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.760
history to give it to you.
But he was. He was just a

821
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.559
great guy and everything. And the
sad part is, a couple of years

822
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.559
ago, he was trying to get
a hold of me, and by the

823
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.159
time I got back to him,
the away oh yeah, And I didn't

824
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.000
know about it because it was like
hidden in a weird spot on my Facebook

825
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.400
messages and I didn't know about it. And then I finally got back to

826
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.719
him. I I sent messages to
him, and then I heard from a

827
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:15.280
mutual friend a few months later like, oh you know, I said,

828
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.199
hey, I tried to message Tyrone. He was around, and he goes,

829
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.519
well, he ain't gonna answer that. Oh it sounds like your dog.

830
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:27.480
Yeah, yeah, there must be
a raccoon on the porch again,

831
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.400
fair enough. But but but here's
the thing about it. There there are

832
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.320
a wild array of characters, some
you'll never hear from, and you know,

833
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.239
a lot of a lot of never
never like like we always hear about

834
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:44.039
has beens, But there's plenty of
never wases that are hella interesting, that

835
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.119
are really great people that you might
only see in a couple of shows.

836
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:51.599
Locally, I feel like that culture
is almost gone too, you know where.

837
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.519
Oh yeah, music's dead. I
mean it sucks, it does it's

838
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:02.960
it's dead. It's everything's digital and
there's there's nothing really vocal to speak of.

839
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.320
There's there's no substance and lyrics.
I mean, I love the days.

840
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.440
We would actually convince a guy who
owned a pizza's shop to let us

841
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.639
take over the place for a little
while, and we'd have to scoot all

842
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:20.039
the tables and chairs out of the
way and put on a little show in

843
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.679
the back of a pizza joint,
you know, for fifteen twenty people to

844
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.880
come in, and as long as
we promised the owner that they could sell

845
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:30.480
you know, fifteen pizzas that night. They would let us take over their

846
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.800
back room. You know, I
used to do stuff like that, and

847
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.599
it was the greatest time. You
saw some of the worst music ever and

848
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.519
you saw some really cool people trying
to create stuff. And some of them

849
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:44.119
would go on to do serious things, and some of them never would.

850
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.480
That would be the only gig they
would ever play. But it was just

851
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.199
so great. You had such a
diversity there. But you had to go

852
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.920
there in person. Nowadays you just
turn on YouTube. See see what somebody

853
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:58.360
decided to upload, right, check
out their instagram. I mean, I

854
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.480
don't know. I feel like you
don't have that experience where you can go

855
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:06.559
and physically be there anymore. See, this could be another topic of discussion

856
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:08.920
in the shows. I'm gonna do
it with regular Joe. We could talk

857
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.840
about music as it was and as
it is. We could talk about our

858
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.679
ratings and rankings. As you can
see, we can go back and forth

859
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:21.199
about just well, who's our good
guitarist or not? And this is the

860
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:27.320
David Gilmour well and that was the
thing you wanted to get to. And

861
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.719
here's the thing again. Here we
go with Chuck and his oppositional thinking.

862
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:35.719
Not a big Pink Floyd fan over
here. Okay, I am not happy

863
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:37.039
with them. I gotta tell you. They put me to sleep most of

864
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.199
the time. The only album of
Theirs I like is always a surprise to

865
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.440
people. I like the Wall,
I like you know that song. I

866
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.639
like that one, okay, but
I'm not a big fan of the whole

867
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.800
like you know, Oh, mother, tell it to your therapist. I

868
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:00.599
got no time for you. Okay. However, however, the Final with

869
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:05.800
their early early stuff, like the
album Metal, It's okay, it's okay,

870
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.599
but look these things they don't fascinate. The only album the Pink Floyds

871
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:14.719
that ever really fascinated me is the
Final Cut. Now, I know that

872
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.639
sounds weird, but that was the
one right after the Wall. Yeah,

873
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.880
yeah, I think so. And
it's the one, you know, like

874
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.719
it was. I don't know I
was able to take that one in personally.

875
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.880
I don't have a mother complex.
I don't need you know, I'm

876
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.159
not, I really, I don't
know. I didn't. I didn't get

877
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:37.159
into I like the way the song
flowed. You know, we don't need

878
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.679
uh. I like that, but
only because of the flow. I didn't

879
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:44.719
really care about the you know.
I mean I remember there were kids like,

880
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.840
you know, the the burnout kids
in my eighth grade class thought that,

881
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:51.440
you know, playing the wall was
such a rebellious thing to do.

882
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.400
And I'm like, yeah, I'm
not really not really thrilled by this.

883
01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:00.320
Uh you know again, I've been
a focused Black Sabbath guy like my whole

884
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.599
life. But Hole in the Sky. Every time, every time somebody says

885
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.920
black Sabbath, that's the first thing
that comes to mind for me. This

886
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.599
Hole in the Sky that was on
Sabotage. Yeah, that's and of course

887
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:16.960
that is my favorite album, followed
up very closely by thirteen believe it or

888
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.679
not. I like that album that
later one. It's it goes on a

889
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.639
little long, but it contains all
the elements that go along with Sabbath.

890
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:29.400
But anyway, yeah, yeah,
Hole in the Sky is uh, let's

891
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.159
see. I think it is the
first track after there's like some noise on

892
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:36.400
there and then boom, yeah,
you go into Hole in the Sky.

893
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.920
I think it's the first track on
the original Sabotage set up. I think

894
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:45.480
so too, And I've actually I'm
about to start learning that songs. It's

895
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:53.119
interesting you brought up an old musical
friend. I ended up rebuilding a Fender

896
01:03:53.400 --> 01:04:00.280
Telecaster player plus Nashville with a guy
I played guitar with for twenty years ago,

897
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.599
Nice I was in a band with
him and he was my guitar player.

898
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:11.519
And I got together with him and
we completely rebuilt Fender Telecaster and it's

899
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.719
fantastic right now. Hey, look
those things when they're when they're done well.

900
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.239
And I've seen these kits, and
i've seen these you know, you

901
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.039
can buy the parts and build them
yourself. And I've seen all kinds of

902
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:27.239
you know, refurbished this and that. Matter of fact, I got I

903
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.679
have a guitar here that needs work
and I can actually do it. I

904
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:38.480
mean I've never done it before.
And I had listened to you and the

905
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:44.360
Greek talking about working on cars and
pretty much it's simple technology, just jump

906
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:45.800
in and do it. Well,
yeah, you know what it is.

907
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.719
That's what inspired me to just go
ahead and build that guitar, because when

908
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:53.679
I found it, it was just
it was stripped completely. There was nothing

909
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:59.639
left except for the switch plate and
the and the pots. Okay, the

910
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:02.840
next the body that was it,
and I bought all the parts. This

911
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:08.280
is this guitar retails for like twelve
hundred dollars, and I spent like five

912
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:14.599
to rebuild it nice. I have
one of the cheaper less pauls uh that

913
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.719
that needs to be rebuilt. It's
it's fairly nice, but it doesn't I

914
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:23.039
don't have the plate. Uh.
And one of the machine heads is literally

915
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:29.159
snapped right off, so you know
gone. Uh. One of the excuse

916
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.519
one of the tuning, you know, it's gone. It's snapped off.

917
01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:35.000
So I've got five of them that
are intact, but they are definitely the

918
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:40.280
cheaper ones. I don't know what
the pickups are. It looks like somebody

919
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.480
has screwed around with the pickups.
At a certain point. I got it

920
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:49.039
used. It's it's in working condition, but it needs a bunch of things,

921
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:54.199
UH need. It needs some love. And so that's what I have

922
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:58.000
at the moment for a six drink. Uh. And I've got my acoustic

923
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.119
base. I've shown you that before, I think, but I know how

924
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.039
to play that pretty well. The
sixth string I only ever screwed with in

925
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:09.760
order to try and write things.
But I never ever tried to be the

926
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:14.800
guy who played because I didn't have
the skill level. I was never confident

927
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:16.679
with it. I could play the
bass a little bit, I could play

928
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:20.000
the drums a little bit. The
only thing I was really confident about is

929
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:24.159
give me a microphone. Yeah that
was me. That was me. I

930
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.519
was always the singer. The guitar
has only been like the last three three

931
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.519
and a half years. Yeah,
you've just sort of been teaching yourself.

932
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:34.039
But it's it's definitely given you a
different perspective on this stuff. And you

933
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:40.199
know what, we could discuss the
process of rebuilding that guitar. We could

934
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:43.159
talk about guitars, we could talk
music. We could talk about other stuff

935
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.239
too. You and I will occasionally
converge on certain media. In fact,

936
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.440
you know I mentioned f Is for
Family earlier. I know you watched that

937
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.960
a bit. Yeah, that was
I watched it all. I've actually seen

938
01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:57.960
the entire series two three times.
Okay. See now I wasn't aware of

939
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.639
that because the last time you and
I spoke, I think it was still

940
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.039
two seasons were left in it or
so, because I think we left off

941
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:10.480
around the time that the Vietnamese woman
kills her husband somewhere and there, and

942
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:14.280
that is it sounds dark and it
well, it is dark, but it's

943
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:18.599
hilarious. So I love that next
scene with her when she's in prison and

944
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:23.079
they're doing the Scared Straight with the
kids and the cops. Oh yeah,

945
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:28.159
Then she tells that kid, you
can help me re enact the last episode

946
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:34.719
of COJ the strange mystery of the
disappearing lollipop. When lollipop go, it

947
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:40.280
goes in your ass, It goes
in your ass. And she is the

948
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:44.079
most frightening. There's all these big, tough convicts and there's this like ninety

949
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:47.480
pound Vietnamese woman and everybody's freaked out
by the Vietnamese woman. Oh you don't

950
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:50.639
want to play no problem. You
end up like husband, I poisoned his

951
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:57.320
soupy dead as kid. You could
ask him, but he dead. And

952
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:01.239
I'm like, wow, okay,
yeah no, that that is a great

953
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:05.360
scene. It definitely speaks to my
level of humor. Bill Burr as funny

954
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:12.880
as hell he is. He's uh, I think he's to me second funniest

955
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.439
guy to Dave Chappelle out there right
now at the moment. At the moment,

956
01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:18.640
I mean, but we could we
could talk about some classic comedians.

957
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:24.439
We could talk about comedy in general. Apparently you will watch some cartoons on

958
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:28.279
occasion, so we can talk about
some of those. I've been watching Batman

959
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:33.359
the animated series all day, really
the old one or a new one.

960
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.960
Yeah, the one that was like
from the nineties, I think, oh

961
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:40.600
nice, right, that was like
the big controversial one where all of a

962
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.880
sudden Batman is dark in the cartoons
and I was like, that's not that

963
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.199
dark. It's a little it was. It was a W B Man,

964
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:51.319
you know, Warner Brothers, who
was on the daytime television after school cartoons.

965
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:56.239
So I don't know what its controversial
about it. No, Batman beyond

966
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.439
there was some of the violence,
okay, but some of the islands in

967
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.279
it and everything was pushing the envelope
for the nineties on TV, on broadcast

968
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:09.680
TV for a cartoon. Yeah.
But but outside of that, I always

969
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.279
remembered it and went, I don't
know, it just seems pretty tame to

970
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.399
me. I mean, it's not
the killing joke, you know, and

971
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:17.479
it's not a death in the family. No, not at all. Right,

972
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:21.000
So, I mean, you know, anyway we could get into animated

973
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:24.560
stuff, we could get into other
media. Every once in a while,

974
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:30.199
we might touch on some news.
We'll probably try to stick with just pop

975
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.359
culture. Nonsense, you know,
just make a you know, nonsensical fun

976
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:38.760
show. You know, you gotta
unwind from what you cover all the time.

977
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:41.159
Anyway, I could be your outlet
for that. Well, see,

978
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:44.279
I'm starting to do that more and
more best I can. I even with

979
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:45.960
the Friday Night call and Show.
I am so sick and tired of the

980
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:49.399
same arguments. I am not doing
it no more. Uh, And I'm

981
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:53.600
just you know, coming on with
different things. Sometimes we wind up doing

982
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.439
naked news. That's another thing.
It's just you know, what, what

983
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.600
what criminal acts somebody tried to commit
while naked has been an interesting theme for

984
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.560
the past I don't know, two
years on the Friday Night Show. And

985
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:06.279
that's the funny thing is, I
think it's been about two years since you

986
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:11.079
were a regular guest regular Joe.
Uh yeah. That was back in the

987
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:15.359
workforce and kind of be a sporadic
scheduling when you're in retail. So what

988
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.279
you had was just too hard to
run me down, you know, Yeah,

989
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.920
no, no problem, no issue, It's just that it was.

990
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:25.720
I liked bringing you in every once
in a while, though, because I

991
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.840
guaranteed myself to be able to decompress
from whatever the hell was going on,

992
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.119
you know, And you're another guy
I wish could make it to Dallas,

993
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.199
because I'm going to Dallas, Texas
again this year, you know, and

994
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:41.199
I'm going on a road trip with
b Pete, which is gonna be fun.

995
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.119
We're gonna be there for the conference, and there's gonna be a celebration

996
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.920
of the ten years of the o'celli
effect, kind of as a sub event

997
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:54.439
along with the JFK Lancer Conference.
So we're gonna do that in Dallas.

998
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:59.199
And I kind of wishing these hills. So that's the thing is, even

999
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.239
if I could afford to bring you
along, I probably couldn't get you to

1000
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:06.359
leave. So I'm still taking care
of a squirrel man, you know.

1001
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:11.960
Oh that's right. And there's another
thing we could talk about. You actually

1002
01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:17.039
brought a squirrel into your house.
Yep. And I know Ed our listener,

1003
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.119
Ed would appreciate that. He loves
to tell me about the squirrels in

1004
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:24.279
his area. He shows his pictures. Matter of fact, when I asked

1005
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.840
for pictures of people wearing the Ocelli
hats a few years ago, he said

1006
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.720
to us one with a squirrel with
the hat, you know, just saying

1007
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.520
he loves them. Squirrels. But
you brought one into your home for a

1008
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.680
bit, and he's still here.
I'm looking at him right now. He

1009
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:40.800
hears me talking, so he came
out of his hammock to see what I'm

1010
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.520
doing. Nice, he's still.
I thought he was getting ready to leave.

1011
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:45.920
I thought it was like, yeah, I did too, But he

1012
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:49.359
became so baby fied that I felt
like I would be doing him a disservice

1013
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:54.199
to turn him into the I have
to rock this squirrel to sleep every night.

1014
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:59.720
I rocked him the sleep before the
show. There's that toxic masculinity for

1015
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.159
you. You. I'll rock a
squirrel to sleep every night. That's full

1016
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:06.520
disclosure, Oh, chilly fans.
I mean yeah, an Eastern gray,

1017
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:11.960
full grown male squirrel, and he
comes to me every night at seven thirty

1018
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:16.359
and curls into my arm and I
rock him to sleep. There you go,

1019
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:19.439
and look you haven't you? And
you were on Twitter for a while.

1020
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:23.119
You actually left Twitter and stayed off
of Twitter. It's now, you

1021
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.640
know, Twitter or x or whatever
they want to call it. Since he

1022
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:30.399
Alon lost guys it, I'm still
on there, but but you're not.

1023
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.720
I went and looked for you.
No, no, if I'm still not

1024
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:39.680
doing the social media thing. To
hear what is on the very small community

1025
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:44.800
that I'm in, to hear what's
on their minds at large is too much.

1026
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.880
And I'm a hermit. I almost
never talked to people, so to

1027
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:53.920
see them what they think loosing out
all over social media all the time,

1028
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:58.680
I don't need that. So for
your own mental health, no, no,

1029
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:00.439
go on that. And I appreciate
it. Man, Uh you know,

1030
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:02.720
look, you do your thing your
way, but I was looking for

1031
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:05.680
you on there, just to let
you know because you have gone. You

1032
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.520
went on there, and then you
went away and you didn't play with it

1033
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:11.359
for a bit. Then you went
back and you said, you know what

1034
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.960
I'm getting off of this. And
he actually stayed off, which is weird

1035
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:15.920
because most people threatened to get off
on Twitter, and then they played a

1036
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:17.960
whole game of no, man,
don't leave, stay on Twitter. I

1037
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:21.079
want you to be here. I'm
your buddy from Alaska or whatever the hell

1038
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:28.239
you know, And it drives you
nuts and and and really it's just there

1039
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:31.960
to keep you in a constant state
of you know, anxiety. That's the

1040
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:34.600
way. That's that's what I got
from it too. And if you remember

1041
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:39.920
what my trigger was to leave Twitter. Is it gave me a notification you've

1042
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:41.760
been on Twitter for a year.
I was like, oh, no,

1043
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.359
that's too long. Yeah, I
didn't think I had to pull that kind

1044
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:49.279
of time you did. You know, I've been there for many years,

1045
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.520
but only because I do the radio
show and I'm resistant all the time.

1046
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.680
People get on this new social media, get more more of these things.

1047
01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:01.039
I need, no, no enough
or anything. We need to learn to

1048
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:04.479
interact with each other on a face
to face basis again people, because this

1049
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:10.640
entire species has forgotten. And listen, I just said that sounded really hopeful.

1050
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:15.960
But here's the thing. You're not
going to do it no matter.

1051
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.600
That's the best part is listen.
I could give you and I've said this

1052
01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:23.199
before during radio interviews all the time, where they go, look, you're

1053
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.079
telling us about all the problems in
the world. What's your solution? And

1054
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:28.079
I say to them, you know
what, you want me to be blunt

1055
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.720
about this. If I gave you
the secret to the universe right now,

1056
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.840
if I told you how to fix
the entire world right now in less than

1057
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:40.640
a paragraph, guess what Nobody would
do it anyway. That's right. No

1058
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:44.079
though that you wouldn't do it.
It's too hard, that'll never work.

1059
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:48.039
You know that you need to be
pessimistic or lazy. So there you go.

1060
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.560
I mean, and that's really the
only two gears. I mean,

1061
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:54.359
there are some of us. I
mean, and I still am working at

1062
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:58.199
this with this idea that we can
change things, and we could. It

1063
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.319
is theoretically possible. Well, at
any moment we could reverse course on a

1064
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:06.239
hundred different things on this planet.
But as for whether it is possible,

1065
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:10.880
Look, it's possible, but is
it probable? Can it be done?

1066
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:15.520
Yes? Will it be done?
I am very doubtful. Now we're we're

1067
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.720
we're we're heading for the wall,
and we're all pressed test dummies, you

1068
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:23.960
know. There you go, So
regular Joe will be back with us more

1069
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.880
often. I'm gonna try and get
you in like once a week if we

1070
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.760
can arrange it. How does that
sound? Just sounds great to me,

1071
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.680
man, I'm ready. There you
go. The Ocelli effect is done for

1072
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:34.000
tonight. So remember this. No
matter who you are, where you are,

1073
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:38.680
when you are, I am Ocelli. You are the effects. Good Night,