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Hi. This is Deb, host
of Debs dot Dojo and part of the

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Calling All Beings podcast network. Today, I'm happy to say that I'll be

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speaking to Preston Dunnett. Preston Dunnett
has been studying the phenomenon since nineteen eighty

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six. He has interviewed numerous experiences
and written twenty twenty eight books and numerous

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articles. Many of his books are
bestsellers on Amazon. He is a moof

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on investigator, paranormal researcher, and
a ghost hunter. DJ has joined me

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today as well, and he is
the cost of Calling All Beings, a

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yoga instructor, and an impat.
Hi, dj Oh, I love it.

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I'm for clem. How are you, Deb, I'm glad to be

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here always. Okay? Are you
ready to welcome Preston? Party? People

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put damn hands together for mister Preston. Jannit Yeah, Well, welcome to

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the Jojoe, thanks very much,
happy to be here, Hi, DJ,

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Hi Deb. Hello, So the
first thing I wanted to ask you

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and doing my research of you,
because I've told people sometimes I have to

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research the researcher. Is there something
you can tell us about yourself like I

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would like to know more about you
other than doing all this research that you

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do, the paranormal research. What
are your interests? I just want to

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know about you a little bit.
Hey, that's awesome. Well, I

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love science fiction. It's kind of
my first introduction to all of this.

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But found out UFOs were real,
so I thought, hey, real aliens,

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imagine aliens. There's no choice here. Okay. I am the fifth

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of six children, so I've got
a pretty big family. I live here

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in southern California. Moved here in
nineteen seventy one with my family. We

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actually all packed up left Illinois in
a giant camper and live for three months

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in a camper, touring the United
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We visited pretty much every state.
So that was quite an experience and

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was awesome because they took me out
of school even though I was what,

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let me see, I was six
years old. I remember it. It

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was. Yeah. Is that one
of the reasons you have books from each

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state coming out? I've noticed that
you're doing each state. Yeah. I

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think it's like six or seven.
I started with California. I thought,

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what's the next one. I want
to do? What state is really influential?

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Well, New York because that's you
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movement really started with, you know, Bud Hopkins and Whitley Strieber. Of

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course, it's called the Hudson Valley
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hugely influential field. And I just
started sort of picking states that I thought

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were had something unique to contribute.
I'd love to do all fifty states.

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I would. It should only take
me one hundred years, so God willing,

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you never know, and you're gonna
have to do some things like Puerto

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Rico. Also, you're just gonna
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you expand from the States. Yeah, Puerto Rico, man oh man.

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For the size of that area,
it is has so many reports. I

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studied uf A healing accounts and US
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Russia and Canada and then Puerto Rico, which is actually sort of part of

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the US. But yeah, it
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which is great. So uh.
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one thing that you proved when you
said that is memorable. It happened

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when you were six. That trip
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people I was like the experience,
and I didn't start traveling until probably I

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was in the Air Force. I
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do a lot of traveling with us, but that there's nothing you can buy

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that will replace those memories that you
still have today of you traveling around the

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States in a motor home or a
caravan of some sort with your parents.

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Those are invaluable experiences that you'll never
forget. Yeah, and it really helped

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me when I started interviewing witnesses who
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six years old when I had my
first encounter. I'm like, yeah,

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a six year old may sound like
an unreliable witness, but nope, they

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are absolutely sponges. They observe very
carefully, especially if it's anything out of

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the ordinary. And as a general
rule, people who have you know,

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it starts around that age. So
it was really interesting to me to sort

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of look back at my own experiences
and here are the people describing now they're

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six year old eppearances. Yeah,
what's interesting is anything that happens that's a

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little bit more significant at that age. It's like our first memory and it

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really stands out, So I imagine
they may remember it more vividly than other

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things at that time. Yeah,
one lady I interviewed, Laura was her

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name. She says, I have
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two dogs getting in a fight,
and this major UFO experience where she

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saw UFOs one saucer come swooping down
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sucking the electricity out of it,
which they do. As you may know,

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I've heard that made that might have
been you that I heard that from

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when you're on UCR. I would
never I'd never heard that before. That's

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very interesting. Yeah, it's absolutely
a fairly consistent type of UFO behavior where

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they're following over telephone wires. And
in fact, it didn't interview one juentsman

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who is inside a UFO when they
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discovering from the outside, but have
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He said, you could feel the
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This can explain some of the anomalist
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of a sudden, it's fifty dollars
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didn't use the electricity, Moore,
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of us. That's probably what happened. Yeah, probably stealing our cable too.

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Well, I do, I do
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that you mentioned it. So I'm
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the questions I have for you.
One of them, and I don't know

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if you've ever explained this is about
the artwork that you have that unfortunately people

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who are listening are not going to
be able to see. Do you draw

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the artwork? Do people you interview
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come from? Mostly me, you
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my sister in law is a fantastic
artist. Have worked with her from the

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beginning, and she's done the covers
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a lot of the thumbnails for some
of my YouTube videos. But she got

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really busy, and you know,
I'm putting out a lot of videos on

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YouTube, one per week. And
you know, the witnesses, I love

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it when they can draw something,
but that's not always feasible either. And

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I don't know, I just started
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know, hanging around my sister in
law, Kisara for so long, I

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started to pick up on how she
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draw. I'm like, oh,
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that, and slowly getting you know, by no means as good as she

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is, but I'm slowly getting a
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fun. So, yeah, I
am putting doing a lot of artwork and

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interviewing people and producing sketches based on
their interviews. I'm sorry, I was

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just going to say, there's a
lot of talk about how art connects to

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the phenomenon. Some people feel like
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create art, where it's like almost
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I was curious because you have so
many different pieces, and some of them

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are haunting. Yeah, I've gotten
some great feedback. And I've watched my

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sister in law, you know,
sit down with a contact d and she

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works very much like a police sketch
artist. You know, how big is

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the nose, you know, the
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so forth, And she's finishing it
and getting closer and closer, and hear

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the witness gasping here and then suddenly
they start crying, And it's amazing to

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watch that sort of watch it hit
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encounter brought to life. And yeah, my sister in law absolutely, She's

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very intuitive and connects to people and
connects to the energy of it all.

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And I think it's a really powerful
tool when you're doing something like that,

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to be able to sort of be
empathically and intuitively connect to the witness.

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Preston, if I may, what
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is your how do you how do
you connect with it? What do you

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find in your connection with the phenomenon? Yeah? I came into this field

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skeptic, an absolute unbeliever until November
seventeen, nineteen eighty six, when I

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heard a report in the news about
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It's a story I've told many times, but it interested me. I thought,

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this poor, deluded pilot, What
an idiot? But wait, my

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brother saw one, and I remember
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house and so I'm like, Mark
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my sister in law, Kisara,
Like, what did you see? So

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he describes this incredible close up siding
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two friends and so that broke the
ice for me, and I started asking

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other people. I found out my
other sister in law had had a sighting,

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also an encounter with grays. Kisara, who's married to my brother Mark,

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was visited by short, little blue
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So it's in my family. And
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a friends who had missing time even
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abducted. This really hit home for
me. I started buying books on this.

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I'm like, why I couldn't let
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me? Why am I so obsessed? And of course I started scouring my

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past looking for you know, maybe
I've got a connection to this somehow,

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and I can't really point to anything
that's blatantly, you know, a contact

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experience other than one possible sort of
confusion about missing lunch one time when I

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was about nine years old and somehow
fell asleep and it was just impossible that

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could not happen. You know,
with six kids in their family, you

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don't miss lunch, you just don't. So there was that Well, you

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know, I just have to comment
that I have heard you also talk about

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the poll that was done where they
say about one in fifty people could have

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been abducted. And you know,
I've mentioned this many times. Each is

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probably tired of me mentioning it that
Bigelow paid for that, like that poll

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anyway, Nope, I'm just kidding. Go ahead, Yes, So it

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occurs to me that there's a possibility
there's a number of people who have that

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experience and don't remember there's a number
of people that have strange experiences that are

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parallel, for instance, sleep paralysis, sleep walking, dreams of flying that

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are very vivid. Do you find
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a possibility that there's more people than
they realize, that that might be something

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that you connect to you Oh,
yeah, yeah, for sure. When

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I heard that, you know,
actually there's a quote by John Heinek one

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and forty people had an on board
experience. Wow, which got me to

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ask everyone, and I ended up
writing and surveying all the major researchers and

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writing an article for the move On
Journal called the UFO Epidemic, which preceded

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the roper Pole by about a year. In fact, Well wrote me a

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letter like, wow, you sort
of pinpointed the number there. I'm like,

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well, you know it wasn't me. It was you know, the

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great jay On Heinek. But yeah, it's far more common. It's in

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my family and I did you know, shortly after I started investigating, start

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seeing UFOs and with nineteen ninety pretty
sure. It was ninety two, late

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July, and this orb dropped down
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it was very close, you know, a foot away, went in front

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of my windshield, back and forth
and started up. And that's all I

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remember. Scared. No, not
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whatever reason, I am running towards
these UFOs, not away. I don't,

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and I don't think. You know, when I first started researching,

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I'm like, oh, this could
not be good. You know, people

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are being abducted, kidnapped against their
will. They're being examined by bug luck

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aliens who have no feelings, horrific
experiments which turned out not really to be

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entirely true. I think if we
take an objective look at it, I

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don't feel like this is a nefarious
phenomenon at all. It's just an enormous

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amount of fear surrounding it. Are
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you not open to that? There
may be different intelligences with different intent of

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course. Oh yeah, I mean
it's a wide, wide universe. I

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would and if you look at UFO
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as human behavior largely. I mean, they're doing the same things we would

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do, I think if we were
to initiate contact. But what I don't

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find really at all is people who
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or subducted to sadistic evil behavior where
the eaties are trying to hurt them,

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trying to scare them. The worst
I get is he's very scary and occasionally

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painful examinations and people do have PTSD
and nightmares, but some who don't.

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People can have the same exact experience, right down to the last detail,

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and come away with completely different interpretations. Some are like, oh, this

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is horrific, they're demonic, I
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away, And you're just like,
well, didn't scare me the least now.

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I rather enjoyed it, And people
who don't have a strong fear reaction

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usually have a better time of it
and are given information, a tour of

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the craft and so forth. Right, So, one example of that that

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I find rather interesting is Travis Walton. Apparently, you know, when you

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see a fire in the sky,
he looks terrified. It's a horrific experience.

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But now when people are talking to
him, he says he thinks they

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were trying to fix something that happened
to him that was accidental. His tune

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on the whole situation has changed.
And I've noticed a lot of people change

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their tune over time, as it's
almost like they accept what was going on

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in a different way. They understand
that perhaps these beings don't show emotion like

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we do. Perhaps you know,
they're not feeling empathically anyway because they're alien,

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you know, that's what they're saying, and that perhaps you know,

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they're simply just curious in examining us
and researching us. Yeah, I've absolutely

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notes that pattern. People will start
out like this is terrible. I hate

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this. It's nightmares, it's PTSD. It's like locks on the doors,

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sleeping with the lights on. It's
difficult. But as it continues and they

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get over their fear, they turn
one hundred and eighty degrees around and start

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getting all kinds of really interesting benefits. Healings are shown the engine room till

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all the craft works. We're given
messages of all kinds. And yeah,

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I think there's absolutely a sort of
a a journey people take, and some

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people sort of stop there at the
beginning, like, you know what,

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I don't want to deal with this, I don't like this. I'm just

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going to shelve this and not think
about it. And that's fine. And

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it's true that some people do have
negative experiences. I'm not going to deny

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that. I mean, people have
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But by and large, generally speaking, I think this is good news

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for humanity, for all of us. And I think the ETS are not

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being portrayed accurately. They are emotional, and the more I talk to people

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they will express this. I think
part of the problem is we as human

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beings, really read emotions largely on
the surface level by facial expressions and body

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language, whereas the ETS don't don't
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and are very instead telepathic and empathic. And when a person is in fear

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and screaming, they're not connecting to
these ets, whereas once they get over

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that. And the reason I say
that is because this is the pattern I

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see, and I'm super excited about
my next book, if I may were.

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I've interviewed this lady by the name
of Dolly, who's a fully awake

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contactee. Have you heard of Jim
Sparks. He's fairly well known in this

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field. Yes, he's an experiencer. He was the contractor guy or something,

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right, Yeah, Yeah, he's
very well known for not having to

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go under hypnosis and recalls his experiences. He's someone I would compare Dolly to.

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She's had more extensive experiences than anyone
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And she's like, no, these
guys are very emotional, they're very advanced

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spiritually, they're very concerned about humanity, which was kind of the conclusion I

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came to. But I got this
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witnesses who are looking through this phenomena, at this phenomena through the lens

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of fear and having a real hard
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with it. She came awake I
guess I wouldn't use the term at age

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fourteen, and insists that these guys
are here to help us, guide to

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us, teach us, warn us, and that's exactly what I see.

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And I'd say that that's echoed by
the research of many researchers like Barbara Lamb,

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John mac, Edith Fury, even
Bud Hopkins. Yeah, So what

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I was thinking about when you were
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about connecting to these entities, I
have a lot of words for them.

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It's hard. It's hard for me
to find the right language. Sometimes people

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like to use the term others,
which is more encompassing. Sometimes I jokingly

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call them visitors that have lived here
for thousands of years, you know,

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like so, but anyho. So, one thing we talk about is just

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like really calming when we try to
do it ourselves, when we're trying to

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have like you know, people call
it C five or whatever, just really

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calming and getting the vibration and utilizing
parts of our brain, you know that

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Gary Nolan have kind of kind of
has hinted at and things like that,

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and turning ourselves into basically an antenna. So I could see were we're if

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we're in a different state where we're
really anxious, really upset, that's not

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going to happen if we're if they're
trying to use this as an antenna to

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communicate, and we're flipping out.
It's obviously not the right vibration. So

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that's what I was thinking when you
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I think you're right on with that. Remember, their communication is almost exclusively

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telepathic, and the first thing they
always say is don't be afraid. We're

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not here to hurt you. You
will not be harmed. Have no fear.

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That doesn't sound like you know what. And you know, when someone's

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like say, taken against their wealth
by someone on earth, kidnapped, it

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doesn't end well. Almost never does
it end well. But here, when

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people are taken by these ets,
they're healed. I've got three hundred cases

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plus. They are taken on an
incredible adventure over and over again. People

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are taught how to fly these craft. I hear that all the time.

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This is not being portrayed accurately in
the media, which is very fear based

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and loves a lurid, scary story. That's not exactly what's going on here.

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But yeah, it's all about consciousness. I think when you're reaching out

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to contact these guys, consciousness plays
a big role. Your own beliefs can

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play a big role, and I'm
a big believer. I'm gonna call the

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ets. I am. I think
that's the seems so obvious to me that

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that's what they are. It's such
a logical theory. It's almost impossible to

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walk away from. I mean,
there's a lot of different types of beings,

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right, Some could be interdimensional,
maybe some oretime travelers. Maybe not

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all of these are ets as we
would think of it, gins or you

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know, angelic spirits or what have
you. But if you look at the

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evidence and it's totality, it is
hard to walk away from the ET.

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I hate to even call it a
theory, because what are we, you

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know, if we're not beings on
a planet. We know what we are,

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at least we think we do.
We're not some phenomena you know that

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puts on different masks. We are
biological beings living on a planet. And

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that's what I think ets are.
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real quick is the crash retrieval phenomena. If we have these saucers,

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if we have these bodies, I
mean, all bets are off. Our

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government knows what this is. I
think we do well want Okay, I'm

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I mean you could have something and
not know what, where, what it

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is, or where it's from.
I think that's possible. Yeah, well,

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I mean it'll clear their craft,
right. Sure they've got portholes,

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sure, but sure look like our
cars. Yeah, I mean, but

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I'm saying as far as where it
comes from. Whether I'm sorry, Deb,

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Deb's got our hand up. I'm
sorry, I just I'm gesturing and

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people can't see that. But my
my thing about the craft is this is

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something I just have to put out
there again and again because I think this

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is important. We see them as
particular objects most of the time, but

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realistically their craft are so different from
what we understand craft to be, and

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they change shapes and they change drastically
sometimes and then they emit other craft.

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So like sometimes I'm like starting to
back off from the idea of these of

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these craft and these shapes and trying
to get people to realize, yes,

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some of them probably are a certain
shape for a certain period of time,

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but all bets are off that they're
going to stay that shape and that they're

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even going to continue on whatever that
particular course is that they're on, Because

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more and more evidence indicates to me
that maybe the way they travel changes their

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shape, you know, you read
it out, how like their sizes change

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and everything. It seems to be
a travel related you know, our perception

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and looking at them changes the shape. Different experiencers see it differently. At

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the same time, even the color
is not correct, because sometimes people see

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like the tic tac is like orange
to their eyes, but when they take

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a picture it's white. So it's
really it's you know, I understand that

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we want to categorize them by shapes, and certainly they look like that to

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us for a portion of time.
But I'm moving away from the idea of

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just thinking of them as craft like
ours. They're not. Yeah, they're

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I mean, I can't disagree with
that. People and over over again,

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people will describe like a ten twenty
foot craft and they're taken inside and it's

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hundreds of feet across. I mean, it's much larger, And yeah,

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they can change ape. I interviewed
one lady. Her son has an apparent

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implant. She sent me the X
rays. It's under its tooth and it's

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a quite involved story. But she
was pulled on board a craft at one

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point and she's looking around. There
was a couch and it looked like a

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doctor's office. It was set up
to look like her living room, and

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so I think they have the ability
to do that. I think these are

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very advanced beings that we're dealing.
I think that's the one thing most people

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will agree on that whoever these guys, wherever they're from, they are very

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advanced technologically, probably spiritually. But
yeah, but Preston, doesn't that make

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you wonder is there an extraterrestrial ikea
or rooms to go where they would get,

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you know, furniture. I mean, I would want to know this,

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Deb would you want to know it's
just a ratan? Maybe they came

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from Thailand. I don't know,
kidding, I have a better question for

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you. I'm not seriously asking you
that this is just my personality, much

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to deb and everyone else's chagrin.
So if they are taking biological material,

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Preston, you would say, I
believe. So if I'm present and I'm

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saying I believe that they're taking biological
material and using it for X, yeah,

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I think that's pretty clear that that
is one of their agendas. So

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many people are reporting it. The
descriptions on this are extremely consistent, and

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I have to tell you, from
the very beginning way back in the mid

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nineteen eighties, I got a report
involving the hybrid babies, which was before

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but Hopkins book Intruders came out and
really put forth that theory in a into

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popular culture, and it is consistently
reported, and people who do not know

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each other, who have not read
UFO books are telling variations close variations of

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the same story which has been transmitted
to them by the I'll call them ets,

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that they are reinvigorating their genetics because
they have lost the ability to reproduce

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due to and here's where the variations
come in, genetic manipulation, conflicts,

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radiation damage due to space travel,
something along these lines. But I hear

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this over and over again from people, and I've certainly read it in the

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research of other investigators. It's one
of the main gray agendas, I would

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say, creating hybrid babies, which
is weird. I mean, how are

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they doing this? What does that
mean? And what's our relationship to them?

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And apparently, and this is something
a lot of people have been told

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by the grades that we once looked
like you, our genetics are essentially human.

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Let's face it, there are human
looking ET's out there just like us.

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That's what I fear, like if
I if I fear abduction because what

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if they take biological material from me. Now you have a little hybrid baby

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and he's bald at the age of
like a year old. I mean,

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that's what I'm worried about, is
I don't want a kid to have to

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suffer like me. I think they
should get you know, they should have

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ducked better, a dumb deb.
You know, it's good looking, great

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head of hair on her. I
mean they should be a little more selective.

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Deb. Don't you think I think
there's a there's a possibility that I

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do have hybrid children because I think
I could be one of those people who

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doesn't remember. That's a possibility.
Okay, one, let me get this

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question in now though, because I
got to go, I gotta leave you

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to Preston. But I did want
to ask you, Deb, do you

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think think that there are experiences yet
that you have not remembered that likely have

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happened based on what you do remember? Do you think there's more? Yeah,

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I think there's a possibility. So
when you were talking earlier about not

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being afraid pressed in, I told
someone that when I saw my unap,

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which was just a really just I
was working, right, So I was

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driving and I had kids in my
car. I was taking them home,

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and I saw it in the sky, and I'm like, yep, that's

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not a helicopter, that's not an
airplane. That's not one of the science

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blimps that was around here lately,
because I've been looking in the sky for

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that reason, because there were blimps. It was right near an airport.

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It was just sitting in the sky. I've only seen one image similar to

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the one that I saw. It
was not a saucer per se, but

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it was definitely not a triangle or
any of the other obvious shapes. It

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was a little bit odder than that. In fact, I just couldn't tell

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you exactly what it looked like other
than it was white and metallic. AnyWho.

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So I saw it and I wasn't
scared. I wasn't freaked out.

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I was like, I should probably
take a picture of that, but I

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have to keep working. So I
kept going right, I didn't even stop,

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And then on my way back,
I think I saw it again,

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which is like, I'm not one
hundred percent, but I think I did.

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And it was still like, I
gotta keep going I got to take

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people home. You know, it's
just like and then like, yeah,

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you got a nice phone. Well
now I do back, Like, honestly,

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iPhones don't take great pictures. I've
tried, Like I've tried to take

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a picture of the moon. It
looks like a big blob. Okay,

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So I don't want to hear about
the phones, like, I really don't.

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I don't think they're meant to take
photos of these things, right,

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Well yeah, so, but I
mean I have seen great pictures of tic

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TACs that people have taken. People
send me pictures like because when I started

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my Facebook page, people wanted to
share. In fact, some of their

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experiences are on my UFO connector with
pictures. But but my point though is

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that I wasn't scared, And this, by the way, was not the

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reason I started doing this. I
didn't do anything with this. I did

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other things. I briefly tried ghost
hunting. By the way, you'll appreciate

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that because I don't know if you
know DJ, but Preston does all kinds

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of paranormal work. Yeah, that's
what you ask is a multi tool player.

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You may want to ask him about
Bigfoot before you go. By the

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way, yeastely. But but I
was really interested in and this leads to

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another question later, I was really
interested in people and understanding people. I

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was really interested in religions. I
was really interested in ghats and the paranormal

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in general. But UFOs were not
that big a deal to me. I

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was sort of like, yeah,
that's just a given to me. I

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totally believe, Yes, there are
extraterrestrials. It was not a big deal.

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And then about four months ago,
all of a sudden, I had

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to do this. I felt like
I needed to do it. And this

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was a good five six years after
seeing the UAP, which, like I

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said, so, and then I
did do like a little C five experiment

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00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.519
and I did see an orb.
It just popped like it kind of like

408
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:52.719
snuck in, went zag and was
gone. That was it. But but

409
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:58.320
I've done a lot of things with
meditation that have gotten really weird, and

410
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:02.960
I feel like I'm getting more pushed
by those things. By those experiences,

411
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:09.280
I'm getting information that I'm trying to
share with people. Anyhow. So there

412
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.320
were some rare things that happened when
I was a kid, and I've told

413
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:20.480
DJ some of them, things like
sleepwalking and dreams of flying, to the

414
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.880
point where one time I was dreaming
that I was flying while sleepwalking and jumped

415
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.800
off the stairs. Yeah, so
I think I might be one of those

416
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:36.039
people. There's some other reasons for
that that I'm not going to share publicly.

417
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.480
But one of those people doesn't remember. And when I told a friend

418
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:45.000
of mine about the UAP and then, I wasn't scared at all. And

419
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.440
to me, it wasn't that big
a deal. They said, you've probably

420
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:53.280
seen them before. M Yeah.
It's interesting to me how there is this

421
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:58.920
amnesia aspect to a lot of this, which I don't quite understand, but

422
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.920
it's very pround it. And I've
come to realize when someone sees something close

423
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.480
up, if you have a UFO
siding that's within a couple hundred feet,

424
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:13.800
probably there's some levels of contact there. And if you see UFOs more than

425
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:19.519
once, that's a huge red flag. There's all these little clues that start

426
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.679
to add up, and started to
realize there's a lot more contact these out

427
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:29.440
there. I think people themselves realize
I have a such a different relationship with

428
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.960
the phenomenon than some other people.
Though for instance, like I don't think

429
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:39.159
that I'm a typical abductee at all, Like I have no reason to think

430
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.000
that. I also feel like it's
pretty clear that I've sent out the message

431
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.039
don't come into my house and that
that's being listened to because that will freak

432
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.880
me out. But I've also sent
out the message, if you want to

433
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.559
meet me out front, I'll be
out there. Just let me know.

434
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.360
You know. I love it.
I love it. But she's such a

435
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:05.199
boss man. So but I feel
like, honestly, I'm just going to

436
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:10.880
go a little voo here. I
have engagement, and I try to communicate

437
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.320
about how to do disclosure, and
sometimes I feel like I get responses back

438
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:21.079
and forth about that, and I
feel like disclosure is something that's going to

439
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:25.679
come from them, and it's going
to be fairly soon. And I think

440
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:31.320
they're already in the process of doing
that. Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

441
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:37.840
I think they've been doing a publicity
campaign for decades, sixty seventy eighty

442
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.280
years even, and I started to
realize that, you know, I think

443
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.679
it was Frank Salisbury who was the
first FO researcher to use the word display

444
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.320
when he wrote the utah UFO display. It's like these UFOs, they're showing

445
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:58.800
themselves on purpose. And that's clear, you know, with events like the

446
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:05.920
Phoenix lights, no gulf breeze and
Hudson Valley waves, whether no hovering right

447
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:10.639
over a highway, because they never
need to be seen by us, they'd

448
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.039
have the technology to hide, and
they do it constantly. They're almost always

449
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:22.360
there, I think. But they're
showing off a lot right now. Yeah,

450
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.559
I didn't tell you, deb I
took a report two nights ago,

451
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:31.960
another one of so. It was
an a husband ex husband of a high

452
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.440
school friend. And I've told you
that six or seven of my high school

453
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.880
friends had Hudson Valley sidings in the
eighties when we were in high school.

454
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.239
So she goes, oh, my
ex, he I'm gonna have them call

455
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.280
you because they're still friends. So
the ex calls me and tells me about

456
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.280
one over this area of the Hudson
Valley called Mayapac Falls, and it's probably

457
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.840
about ten fifteen minutes from where I
live, not very far. And he

458
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:02.119
talked about his father seeing it and
him running outside, and now they're following

459
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.480
it in the car, and then
all of a sudden he gets a call

460
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.880
that it's over the Taconic Stake,
partway Parkway, and you guys all know

461
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:15.599
that you know Jaylen Heineke and uh, what was his name? Bob Bob

462
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.679
pratt Wright? Uh and Philip.
I can't remember that gentleman's name either.

463
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.280
Yeah, Orn Brono however he Italian
pronunciation. But in any case, yeah,

464
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.440
they also documented that as well.
And so this individual said, yeah,

465
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.079
my brother called me and said everybody
on the Taconic is getting out of

466
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.480
their cars and looking. So wow, dev did that make itself apparent?

467
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.599
So so, DJ, I know
you said you had to go, but

468
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.519
I really think you should talk about
the Bigfoot while you can, Yes,

469
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.679
Sir Preston. So it's interesting.
I heard one of the Navajo rangers who

470
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.400
I desperately want to get a hold
of to have him on, Jonathan Dover

471
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:05.679
to speak about his experience tracking Sasquatch, and I listened to Micah Hanks have

472
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:12.639
on somebody who appeared to be extremely
learned talking about the prints that were lifted

473
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.880
off of the from the Patterson Gimlin
film when that incident happened. But they

474
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:23.639
do not believe that this is an
inter dimensional creature. They believe this is

475
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.760
just a creature that's just a mammal
that lives out in the wild, like

476
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.719
a bear or a gorilla. So
my question to you is, and Jonathan

477
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:38.559
Dover says, I and my partner
are experts at tracking humans, you know,

478
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.400
anything, you know, we track
things, that's what we do as

479
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.679
navajo. And he said, I
tracked bigfoot or sasquatch into the middle of

480
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.199
a field and the tracks disappear,
which led me to believe, well,

481
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.800
then how did it? And he's
asking how did it just get did it

482
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.199
just get lifted up off the ground
to where? So what's your take on

483
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.920
whether or not you believe he's just
a mammal living among us or an interdimensional

484
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.599
creature of some sort. Yeah.
I flip flopped a little bit on this

485
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.280
because I'm like, hmm, you
know, I've sort of got dragged into

486
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.840
Bigfoot like UFO was kicking and screaming
in a bit skeptical, but started to

487
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.880
realize all these subjects are connected,
whether it's goes through NDEs or what have

488
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:29.840
you. And got my first big
Foot UFO case where the two phenomena intersected

489
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:35.320
perfectly, which was quite disturbing.
And then I got another one. I'm

490
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.440
like, all right, fine,
let's look into Bigfoot, and I was,

491
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.400
of course shocked it Israel. I
think if you are skeptically, you

492
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:50.679
haven't done your homework. The evidence
is absolutely overwhelming and fairly conclusive that there

493
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:57.280
is something to this. And I
mean, we've got hair samples and all

494
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:02.320
kinds of physical evidence, and I
think it is clear that some of these

495
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:09.320
do have very pronounced interdimensional aspects.
People like, well, is it intermentional

496
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:15.000
or is it you know, a
primate? And my answer would be,

497
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:22.679
well, kind of all beings have
interdimensional aspects to them. We ourselves are

498
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:27.519
interdimensional beings. We can go out
of body, We have a soul,

499
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:34.960
there is life after death. Animals
have ghosts, have spirits, live on,

500
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.800
and I think all beings do.
And if you look at the Bigfoot

501
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:44.679
accounts, it's clear that some of
these guys are fairly intelligent. And I

502
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:51.840
interviewed someone who's watched them disappear turn
invisible in front of him, So I

503
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:58.119
lean towards at least some of these
guys being absolutely interdimensional. But I can't

504
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:05.000
say ah, because there's such areation, from the Florida skunkate to the ten

505
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:12.519
foot tall Sasquatch in California to short
little wild Man and just all different types

506
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:19.519
of cryptozoological primates. I think some
of them probably are your typical primate and

507
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:25.679
maybe not interdimensional, but some absolutely
are. One und percent. I personally

508
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.440
would like to go out of body, but when I go back in,

509
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:34.239
I wanted something like maybe like a
fifteen percent body fat content and get rid

510
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.559
of some of this. So that's
what I'm looking for and out of body

511
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:43.559
experience. Personally. I don't know
about you guys. I just want to

512
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.679
know how to do it because I've
I have had the experience where I felt

513
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.360
like I was being pulled from my
spine and I'm like, is that right?

514
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.360
Is that how it's supposed to happen. I don't know. I'd like

515
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.000
to know how to do that.
Oh. I teach classes. I got

516
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.880
really good at it. I wrote
a book on it. You know.

517
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.039
After my mom died in nineteen eighty
four, I started having weird experiences,

518
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.079
and when I found out UFOs were
real, it was right around that time

519
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.800
I started having out about experiences.
Oh yeah, yeah, you know.

520
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.960
I just feel like there's like synchronicity
sometimes with this that's really considerable because I

521
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.519
haven't told DJ this, but I
had a friend who told me that he

522
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:28.280
had out of body experiences when I
was a kid, you know. And

523
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.360
I had another friend who told me
that she saw ghost and then I had

524
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.760
another friend that told me, you
know, that they had like psychic dreams,

525
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.559
and like all these people just came. Oh. I had one that

526
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.800
told me that he could see demons, you know. And these people were

527
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.079
normal, right, and it's completely
normal otherwise, right, But they were

528
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:55.159
telling me these things. And maybe
it's because I was interested, but they

529
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.480
told me so. Yeah, I
haven't known about out of body since I

530
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.079
was a kid, and I just
can't do it. I don't know how

531
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:06.679
to do it, but I would
love to you. I have very intense

532
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:12.639
meditations, though I don't know if
that's the same. Well, I think

533
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.639
you'll. I mean, in my
experience, when you have an out about

534
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:21.679
experience, you know it. There's
absolutely no doubt. Because you turn around

535
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.119
and you see your body lying there
on bed. You know instantly there's life

536
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.079
after death. And it is wild. I mean, it's absolutely so much

537
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:35.119
fun. I could not recommend it
enough. Some people do have a steep

538
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.559
learning curve, but I think given
the right sort of tools to do it,

539
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.760
it's not that hard to do.
I taught a lot of people how

540
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.719
to do it. It can be
very scary. I think the main obstacles

541
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:54.920
are really skepticism, fear, and
laziness. To be perfectly blunt, it's

542
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.360
difficult to learn. It's like learning
a new computer language or a musical instrument

543
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:07.280
or no new language. It's sort
of applied knowledge. And if you really

544
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.360
put forth the effort, if you
obsess yourself with it, the more effort

545
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.039
you put forth, the more successful
you'll be at it. I think I

546
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:22.199
right do so, I think I'll
try it. Preston. When Deb describes

547
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.320
her friend as completely normal, you've
already figured out she's not talking about me.

548
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:34.679
Nobody's ever characterized me that way.
But I do want to thank you

549
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.519
for coming on and sharing your best
wealth of experience with Deb and myself,

550
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.960
and we look forward. It's you
know, I remember seeing you on UCR

551
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.920
and thinking, Wow, this guy's
had a lot of different experiences for so

552
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.480
many years. So many of us
are brand new to this topic, and

553
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.119
so when we get to speak like
with Joe Murgia, or speak with someone

554
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.920
like yourself, it's it's very illuminating. Or even who's in fenced in for

555
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:06.159
that matter, it has been around
following this for forty years, so we'll

556
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.599
definitely see you down the road.
Sir, thank you so much for letting

557
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:12.639
me ask you some questions, and
deb for allowing me to ask you some

558
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.719
questions. All right, my pleasure. It's an honor, I think.

559
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.119
Yeah, we said, of course, yeah, we have that. We

560
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:27.480
have a rule about infiltration. All
caves are allowed to infiltrate the tojo.

561
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.559
So yes, of course it's great
for all of us to get to learn

562
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:37.400
more. Thank you, Preston.
We'll see you down the road. Brother,

563
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:43.320
all right, bye, j I
must say so, I actually I

564
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.239
want to ask you about one of
the experiences that I had in meditation.

565
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:51.519
And you know, it seems like
a weird thing to go into what is

566
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:57.039
a meditation and try to get answers
from it, But one of the experiences

567
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:05.000
that I had was being shown how
to fly the craft, which was basically

568
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:10.719
that the craft are not machines like
our machines, that they're basically living objects,

569
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:17.400
and then you have to physically connect
to the craft, you know,

570
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.920
and then consciously control it and think
of it as part of your body essentially.

571
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:29.519
And has anyone else discussed anything like
that with you. Have they also

572
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:34.800
been shown that oh yeah, yeah, I would say that's more the rule

573
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.880
than the exception. I've talked to
people who have been like sat down in

574
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.440
the seat and said, here's a
little joystick and you can fly it that

575
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.159
way. But by and large people
do, especially ones who have, you

576
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.880
know, some advanced awareness of their
experiences, sort of come farther along the

577
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:58.119
path than perhaps others. I do
feel like these craft are living beings embodied

578
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:05.880
and they are flown through a process
of connecting to them empathically, mentally,

579
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:12.840
spiritually, and like you describe,
operating it like a body. And that

580
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:20.519
is something I hear actually quite often. And I think this is why,

581
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.039
because we hear some of these crash
retrieval reports and according to the whistleblowers,

582
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:29.159
who are you talking about? These
craft, they go inside and they're like,

583
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.440
where's the power source? This craft
is empty? How come there's no

584
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.559
engine? What's going on here?
It's because they're not flown in the way

585
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:43.320
that you know our craft are,
like you referenced earlier, these are far

586
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:47.760
different than our vehicles. These are
beatings in and of themselves, right.

587
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:54.719
I do think that we have a
multiple craft in that sense also that some

588
00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:00.559
of them are not even manned,
that they're still being controlled by someone or

589
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.199
you know, I say someone some
being consciously, but they're not they don't

590
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:10.199
have an inhabitant, if that makes
sense. And I suspect that often when

591
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:16.519
people are doing the C five exercises
or you know, trying to get a

592
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:23.360
response, they're attracting these craft because
the crafts are controlled consciously and that's what

593
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:30.599
they're seeing. Yeah, and it's
often orbs, you know, And I

594
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.679
tend to say those are basically,
if you want to use the term ET,

595
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.960
they're essentially ET's drones, you know, if they're ET drones. A

596
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:44.679
lot of those orbs. So I
feel like people are attracting them when they're

597
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:50.280
doing the C five, which I
think also may miff our visitors or co

598
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:57.119
inhabitants or others sometimes knowing that their
orbs got derailed by someone doing a C

599
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:02.480
five. Hey, you never know. I agree that these are probably a

600
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:09.280
number of them probes or drones or
you know, something along those lines as

601
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:14.599
we would think of it. But
I don't know. It's very interesting because

602
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.360
sometimes I think these are actually beings
in and of themselves, because there are

603
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.880
a number of reports where people will
see orb and then it elongates and widens

604
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:28.119
and boom it's a gray or it
might just expand in size and become a

605
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:34.000
ship. So it's perhaps a portal
to this or Yeah, I mean the

606
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.760
consciousness plays a far more powerful role
in this than it's given credit for.

607
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.760
And you know, like attracts like
is a big thing. I think people

608
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:53.920
are putting forth their thoughts and their
consciousness will be far more successful. That's

609
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:58.360
the whole key to see E.
Five's it's not so much shining a flashlight

610
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.159
in the air, really calling them
out to them and connecting to them telepathically

611
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:06.519
and mentally through your consciousness. Yeah. I just want to say, for

612
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.159
the record, do not put a
grain laser into the air unless you want

613
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:16.920
to attract bats, because although bats
are considered blind, they are attracted to

614
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:23.480
clate cream lights. So no lasers. Also, it's very dangerous for pilots.

615
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:28.559
I don't recommend the lasers. You
don't need it. If you are

616
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.679
a good antenna, you don't need
lasers. So I don't know, I

617
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.519
just want to say that every time
someone talks about the lasers, I get

618
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:40.119
upset. Yeah, so does my
friend Dolly. She says, no,

619
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:45.239
do not use those. The ets
hate them. They will not show up,

620
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.719
particularly if you shine them. And
you know it's a big problem for

621
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.079
pilots. It's against the law to
shine them at aircraft. So yeah,

622
00:52:53.159 --> 00:53:01.159
don't do it. So I know
that. Another thing that was mentioned when

623
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.679
you went on a prior interview was
that you had a sighting with an orb

624
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:12.719
yourself and you got the sense that
it was, you know, a sentient

625
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.599
orb. But you also kind of
mentioned that you had seen other things since

626
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:23.440
then. Could you elaborate on that. Yeah, nineteen ninety two was a

627
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:28.760
big year for me, starting with
that Urban conner, which I think I

628
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:30.800
probably had missing time because I forgot
it. By the way, I did

629
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.400
not remember it for some months and
it just kind of came back to me,

630
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:42.360
which is fantasmagorical to me. But
having interviewed other people who had that

631
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.960
experience, I get it now you
can actually have this wipe from your conscious

632
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:52.199
mind. And that year I started
to have a number of sightings. I

633
00:53:52.239 --> 00:54:00.159
went up to the Mount Shasta area
Crater Lake in northern California and saw this

634
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.280
light up in the sky. Well, my brother saw it first and we

635
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.679
shared a flashlight at it and it
blinked back at US. I mean it

636
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:14.800
was clear communication. And shortly after
that I attended a CE five meeting with

637
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:20.400
Stephen Greer where he came to La
to form a c SETI group and we

638
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.679
went out the first night and no
longer. As soon as we got out

639
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:30.639
there on the Santa Susanna pass,
UFO showed up. I could not freaking

640
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.239
believe it. Someone said, look
look up, and you know I've it

641
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.280
was a huge astronomy buff I know
that this was not a satellite. It

642
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:44.920
was huge. It was not a
balloon or a plane or a helicopter.

643
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.800
You know, you go through this
theory escalation when you see something because you

644
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.000
don't want to jump to UFO.
That's the last thing that kind of comes

645
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:59.440
to your mind. And we went
out the next night and had weird flashes

646
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.800
of light come over our group.
So I was hooked and we formed a

647
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:08.199
small group of ten fifteen of us. Core group was about ten or fifteen,

648
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:13.719
with stragglers here and there, and
we went out regularly for five years,

649
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.519
every other month or so, and
had a number of really cool sightings,

650
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:23.119
mostly of anomalous lights. But yeah, these guys started coming closer and

651
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:29.079
closer to me. I remember one
really cool incident was I was in my

652
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:37.559
condominium complex transcribing an interview from this
lady who was full on contactee and hybrid

653
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:44.280
babies, close up sightings. Her
friends and family were everywhere she went,

654
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:50.360
UFOs were following her, and she
had described this incident where Gray's appeared around

655
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.239
her bed freaked her out. She
was in full on terror, jumped up

656
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:59.159
and kicked one in the neck and
its snack snapped. I'm like, wow,

657
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:04.199
I'm transribing this particular section of the
interview, and I remember leaning back

658
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.880
in my chair thinking, Ah,
this is a lot for me to wrap

659
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:15.760
my head around. When I got
a very strong, absolutely irresistible impulse to

660
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:21.039
go onto the roof, and I've
read this some thousand times, and certainly

661
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.079
interviewed people were like, I couldn't
control this impulse, you know, and

662
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:29.079
I drove off the freeway or I
ran outside and I saw uf out And

663
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:36.280
that's exactly what happened to me.
I could not stop myself from running onto

664
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.719
the roof of my condo. And
no sooner had I got up there,

665
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.920
I mean, not at more than
ten or twenty seconds. When this UFO

666
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:52.679
appeared. It was a bright orange
oval fiery light right across the street,

667
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.519
one hundred two hundred feet treetop level, right above the palm trees there,

668
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.880
right above this little apartment complex,
and it blasted me with his message,

669
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:07.639
which was very very clear, but
not so much in English or words,

670
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.960
but the message was absolutely clear.
And it said, no, it's us,

671
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.639
We're Wendy's t's you know, you
don't believe We'll watch this and started

672
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:21.360
darting around. Well, back and
forth is what it did. It went

673
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:27.400
back and forth, back and forth, and like twenty foot lengths and turning

674
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.039
at super acute angles, going lower
and lower and lower, so it was

675
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:35.960
actually below the trees. And then
it winked out, and I'm like,

676
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.800
wow, they spoke to me,
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah.

677
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.840
I felt the same way when I
saw that orb. I felt like it

678
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.280
was just saying hi. You know. It was just like a little cute,

679
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:52.320
little high That's why it was.
But I also I get this message

680
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:59.960
of being careful, and it's discomforting
to me. Occasionally I get this message,

681
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:05.320
be careful of putting yourself out there, be careful of what you're attracting,

682
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:12.440
because not all things are benevolent.
So that's I'm sure other people have

683
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.800
mentioned that to you. We've you
mentioned that some people may misunderstand, but

684
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:22.079
I have gotten that message of being
cautious. Well that's interesting. No,

685
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.119
I haven't heard that a whole lot, So, yeah, that's fascinating to

686
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:29.159
me. Yeah, it's a big
universe. I can totally get that.

687
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:36.519
But what I find interesting about this
phenomena is it's very persistent. It's been

688
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:42.679
around for how long before recorded history
at least? And here we are,

689
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:50.599
We're still here. We're not taken
over. So I don't feel like this

690
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.719
is a super huge danger. And
I suspect that to some extent we're watched

691
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:00.920
over, But I don't know,
this is still there's still a lot of

692
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:09.360
questions surrounding this whole phenomena. Yeah, I do feel like this is overall

693
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:15.960
benevolent, right, I do think
that the majority are and I do feel

694
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:23.800
like, you know, the simple
involvement here is exploratory and resources. But

695
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:31.639
I think the need for contact.
Why that that pressure is building makes me

696
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:37.079
curious. I wonder if it's just
they think that we're getting close to being

697
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.920
ready enough for it. You know, I don't know what it is,

698
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:45.880
like, why that's gonna happen?
And you know, even mu Alizondo recently

699
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.880
mentioned, you know, contact,
what are we going to do when that

700
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.599
happens? Are we gonna put a
handout? Are we going to point a

701
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:58.800
rifle? So I feel like he
may be also senses that, and I

702
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.199
think a lot of other people are
sensing that that might be emminent. And

703
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:09.320
I wonder since so far, essentially
we've you know, engage in a resource

704
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:13.960
level, Like they've come and gotten
water, they've come and gotten DNA.

705
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:19.079
You know, they've come and possibly
gotten some other things. Some people think

706
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.920
they're interested in gold. I'm not
particularly thinking they are. But why do

707
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:28.000
you think they might want to engage
with us at all? Like considering how

708
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:35.320
dangerous we are? Yeah, that
is absolutely something I've wondered about, because

709
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.280
they do seem to be obsessed with
all things humans and for that matter,

710
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.440
all things Earth. How many accounts
are there of them out there digging holes

711
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.280
and collecting soil or leaves from plants, or pulling rabbits and you know,

712
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:55.840
cows and all kinds of animals.
A lot. They are definitely absolutely conducting

713
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.679
a full on study of our planet. Hovering over our nuclear power stations,

714
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:06.679
dams, factories, air force baces. It's clear that they are very very

715
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:12.599
interested in us, and just based
on what they're actually communicating to people,

716
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:16.239
they seem to be very very concerned
about our warlike ways, our greed and

717
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:22.119
corruption, that we were pluting our
planet, our use of nuclear weapons.

718
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.599
That is the number one message beyond
don't be afraid, we won't hurt you.

719
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.199
That is the message they're giving.
So it does seem that there's sort

720
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:37.320
of a a relationship there where they
are just concerned, like a parent would

721
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:45.920
be that we are on the verge
of really hurting ourselves and destroying ourselves,

722
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:51.920
and that they're stepping in for that
reason, and that perhaps our relationship to

723
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.079
them is a bit closer than we
realize we are. Then they are us.

724
01:01:55.440 --> 01:02:00.719
That is a message every I won't
say every, but over and over

725
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:04.960
again I hear that from contact these
they get that message we are one.

726
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.199
Well, I have a theory about
that. It gets a little weird,

727
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:13.719
but I'll tell it to you if
you like. I mean, it all

728
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:19.480
gets weird, right. So my
thought is everything ties into each other,

729
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.360
like everything is connected, and one
of the things that is connected is the

730
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.440
idea of the simulation theory, that
people have this impression that we're in a

731
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.519
simulation, right, And in a
sense, I think they're right, because

732
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:37.039
I think our biological bodies are like
avatars, and that our consciousness is our

733
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:43.199
true being, and that when we
die, we return to the god source,

734
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:47.280
the origin right, our real beginning, our real home, and then

735
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.960
we decide where we want to go
next, and we come out again,

736
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.239
and we pick a planet, we
pick where we want to basically experience that

737
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:02.880
avatar life again, and then we
go back fourth. And I think we're

738
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:10.199
all connected because we don't always choose
to be human, and I get the

739
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:17.400
sense that some of us who have
that sense that we have had past experiences

740
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:25.880
with these beings were not necessarily human
in a recent life. I think that's

741
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:30.679
part of it. We're all essentially
from that one source coming out and then

742
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:37.079
going back. That's my thought.
I think you've hit on it. We're

743
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:42.000
all an indivisible, integral part of
this universe. So how and you can't

744
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:46.760
separate a piece of the universe from
the universe itself because it is all this

745
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:51.360
one thing. I think you're right
about, you know, past lives.

746
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.079
This is certainly something A lot of
contacts have been told you were us in

747
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:59.599
a past life. I went to
see Bashar once Deri al Anka and he

748
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.079
pointed and he's like, you were
an et in the past life. You're

749
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:08.960
here to anchor the et energy that
was well before I'd written books or was

750
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:14.280
that all well known, And had
two other channelers tell me that same thing,

751
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.239
and have had some memories myself.
When you go out of body or

752
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:26.039
go to the other side, it's
absolutely clear that you're exactly right. You

753
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:30.519
know. We're astral projection as it
turned as it's termed, it's sort of

754
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:35.920
not accurate. We're projecting down here
into a physical body from our true home,

755
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:42.599
which is the other side, and
a lot of people see those other

756
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:47.199
places, and it's really interesting to
have conversations and find out there's so much

757
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:53.440
in common considering. Like I said, I wasn't really involved with all of

758
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:59.199
this until four months ago, but
I've already met a light being in my

759
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:03.679
meditation. And then they told me
something very strange. They told me that

760
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:10.840
they were myself and my grandmother at
the same time, that it was essentially

761
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.480
me and my grandmother, which was
very confusing, and they were separate from

762
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.440
me, but they're like, no, I'm you. And I found that

763
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:21.199
very strange. But then I spoke
to another experiencer who said they had the

764
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:26.480
same experience. They met a light
being. The light being said, I'm

765
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:31.760
your soul essentially, but I'm not
you. Like so I feel like it's

766
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:38.840
almost like being introduced to what's going
on. That the thing that we can't

767
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:43.440
really see at this point, but
we will when we die. We'll understand

768
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:46.719
it then. And then I just
all the different people I've talked to you,

769
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:51.119
there's so many things that match up, you know, like the seeing

770
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:56.440
of orbs after you die, you
know, because essentially we're not going to

771
01:05:56.519 --> 01:06:00.920
have this body right after we die. We're going to be basic energy.

772
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:06.599
So I just so many things line
up. It's so interesting considering I've just

773
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.760
found it. It's like coming really
fast to me in such a short period

774
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:15.800
of time. Yeah, I know
that feeling. I was hit real hard

775
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.800
as a young man when I found
out UFOs were real. That collapsed my

776
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:26.480
belief system. Then I started having
out about experiences and that pretty much shattered

777
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.280
it. And I don't think identity
is what people think it is. It's

778
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:35.679
a lot looser and when you start
having out about experiences, you start remembering

779
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:42.760
your past lives and realize like,
wow, you know, it's like how

780
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.159
a would I put it? Like
putting on a different set of clothes.

781
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:50.440
Almost identity is I don't want to
be anybody else. I like being me.

782
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.880
What's a past life? That's sort
of really hard for me to wrap

783
01:06:55.880 --> 01:07:00.320
my head around? Like why am
I going to become someone else? Kind

784
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:02.559
of slowly came to realize that it's
not quite like that. You are always

785
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:08.599
you. You may just change your
name, change your form, change your

786
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:14.679
experience, change your perceptions, change
your locations, but you are your consciousness.

787
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:19.400
That's who you truly are. Yeah, And I have, of course

788
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:26.519
tried desperately to put some science into
that, you know, I've tried to

789
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.519
look at things like and I find
there is some science. They're doing science

790
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:34.079
on things like the biofield, you
know, the energy that emits from us

791
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:40.679
and things like that. They're doing
science of course on that intuitive part of

792
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:45.119
the brain that you know we suspect
maybe the antenna, right, So there

793
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.840
is science behind some of this,
but I guess we're just not at that

794
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:55.960
point of fully understanding yet why some
of these things can be explained in a

795
01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.119
scientific way, and some we just
intuitively know. Yeah, I think we

796
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:05.559
as humans have a real tendency and
desire to label everything and pigeonhole it and

797
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:13.679
categorize it and explain it. When
ultimately you can put any labels you want

798
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:18.399
on anything, it's not going to
explain it. The entire world existence is

799
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:27.359
by its nature absolutely phenomenal and inexplicable. And yeah, I think we can

800
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:31.479
figure out mechanisms to a certain extent, which is awesome. And I love

801
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:38.560
the fact that people have proven telepathy
in a laboratory setting. They've proven human

802
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:44.600
levitation in a laboratory setting, proven
it proven out of about experiences. Robert

803
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:48.920
Monroe, very famous for us out
about experiences, went into a lab and

804
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:55.359
created an apparition. So this is
something that absolutely has science behind it.

805
01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:59.760
Right, and remote viewing as well, which I know is not quite the

806
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.840
same, is out of body essentially
you stay in your body when you remote

807
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:11.079
view. I have recently asked someone
to delineate the two for me, but

808
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:17.920
they did show that there was you
know, stistically statistically effective, not one

809
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.800
hundred percent, but it was effective. So they did do some science with

810
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:27.479
that as well, so, yeah, the research on that is amazing.

811
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.279
I've done it myself and it's incredible. When you get it right, you're

812
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:34.560
like, wow, I actually did
it. And I think the very best

813
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:40.000
thing for people to we're dealing with
this is, yeah, I look at

814
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:45.800
the science, but ultimately it's personal
experience because there's a difference between belief and

815
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:48.359
knowledge. And you can read all
the books you want, and you can

816
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:54.119
study everything to death, but until
you actually do it yourself, that's true

817
01:09:54.159 --> 01:10:00.239
knowledge. True knowledge comes almost exclusively
from actual experience. So I think that's

818
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:05.680
what really people need to do is
don't believe the government who's lying now,

819
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:11.119
don't believe me, don't believe anybody. Find out for yourself. If you

820
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.560
can go out about it, go
if you want to say UFO, you

821
01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:16.000
can. It's not hard to do. Go outside, call them down.

822
01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:21.439
You'd be surprised how easy it is
to do this stuff. And the fact

823
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:28.520
that so many people understand that goes
into how another thing connects, which is

824
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.520
that whole concept of a collective consciousness. You know, we all seem to

825
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:39.399
share these ideas, we all seem
to understand and have some of the similar

826
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:45.359
ideas to share about this so I
just I feel like everything I look at

827
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:50.880
connects to something else that I'm not
finding one thing that's just wrong, And

828
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.880
I feel like they're all part of
a big puzzle and one day humanity will

829
01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:01.119
understand why it's all connected. Yeah, there's a lot of buzz about like

830
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:09.359
contact modalities and how these various phenomena
like a near death experience or an experience

831
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:15.119
with ghosts or out of body experiences
are bigfoot or you know, being taken

832
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:23.600
on board UFO are various pathways to
essentially the same sort of enlightenment or revelation

833
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:28.159
that we are all one. I'm
still a big believer that, you know,

834
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:31.600
an out of body experience is separate, it's not you know, bigfoot

835
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.399
is a big foot, you know
someone's taken on board. That's exactly what's

836
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:43.720
happening. I don't think this is
a phenomenon that's wearing different masks and putting

837
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:48.239
on symbolic shows. I think most
of what people are experiencing when they talk

838
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:55.479
about UFOs are aliens, extraterrestrials,
not all. It's a big umbrella and

839
01:11:55.520 --> 01:12:00.359
a lot of stuff gets pushed under
this umbrella called UFO. It's when some

840
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.239
of it is clearly not. And
some of it, if you look into

841
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:11.000
the angelic phenomena, very compelling evidence
for angels and for that matter, demons,

842
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:18.439
bad ghosts, and fairies and all
kinds of supernatural creatures jins. These

843
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:26.319
exist and they're not extraterrestrials. They
are something else. There are a wide

844
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:30.840
variety of paranormal beings out there,
or what we call paranormal. We do

845
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:36.760
have a growing number of cryptied videos, cryptied creature videos popping up, and

846
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:41.680
of course it's hard nowadays to know
if you know what CG. Of course,

847
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:45.199
I just kind of have to assume
a lot of those are until I

848
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.720
can see it in person, because
so many people seem to enjoy faking those

849
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:56.319
videos. Right. But you know
that the other day some of THEE was

850
01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:59.520
like, no, this is one
hundred percent real, and it was some

851
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:04.560
sort of of insect like creature that
looks a little bit like a grasshopper but

852
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:13.079
huge, walking through a highway.
I have no idea like nowadays until we

853
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.039
see it in person. But the
possibilities are endless. And one thing I

854
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:20.479
like to point out when people talk
about all these creatures and these strange things

855
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:26.560
is there's so much about our own
planet. We still don't understand some of

856
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:31.520
the creatures in our oceans are super
bizarre looking. I don't understand why people

857
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:36.880
close off to some of these other
things when our own planet is extremely odd.

858
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:41.920
Yeah, that's always a point I
like to make. When someons like,

859
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.039
oh, I would love to see, you know, an alien,

860
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:47.479
a different species, I'm like,
well, look at dolphins, take a

861
01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:53.000
look at them, Look at all
the different creatures, and our dogs,

862
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:59.079
cats, These are different species with
a different intelligence and are still you know,

863
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:03.560
as a a where as us,
and very intelligent, far more intelligent

864
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:08.680
than people give them credit for.
Did you know ravens have the intelligence of

865
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:14.760
like a three to five year old
child. They are smart. I remember

866
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.920
I went to see a show on
this and the guy speaking and demonstrating this,

867
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:20.880
and I turned to my five year
old nephew, I'm like, look

868
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:25.039
that raven is as smart as you. He looked up at me, like

869
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:30.239
what. But yeah, it's a
point I'm trying to make, is there

870
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:33.960
are different species on our planet that
we can look to that will give us

871
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:42.720
incredible knowledge about different types of life, right and definitely different types of society.

872
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.520
So people have made that comparison.
I'm one of those people who really

873
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:51.479
enjoyed enders game, and if for
those who are not familiar, the story

874
01:14:51.640 --> 01:15:00.439
kind of indicates a whole species of
extraterrestrials that live basic like insects to you,

875
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:06.039
with a hive with a queen and
a whole bunch of soldiers. And

876
01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:11.000
we have that example on our planet, you know, we have that example

877
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:15.560
of how that can be when we
look at bees and you know, insects

878
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.840
like ants, you know. So, yeah, there's a whole bunch just

879
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:20.880
on our own planet. If we
look to it, that will educate us

880
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:27.760
about the possibilities for sure. Yeah, it's very interesting because looking at the

881
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:32.319
reports of humanoids, I guess we
call them ets as is the most popular

882
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:38.880
theories to what we're dealing with.
Certainly, they're almost always humanoids. It's

883
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.680
very strange and that's kept me out
of the field for a while. I'm

884
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.319
like, Eh, this is Star
Trek, this can't be real. Aliens

885
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:50.399
would be different from us. Nope, they are largely, almost exclusively humanoid.

886
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:58.039
Whether it's grays or any variation thereof, or human looking ET's just like

887
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:02.119
us, or a little beings or
light beings. They still have arms and

888
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:11.039
legs and praying mantis. That's very
common, almost always humanoids, catlike beings,

889
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:15.199
dog like beings. I remember the
stories of the dog Man when they

890
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:17.479
came out. I'm like, what
you're telling me? Where wolves are real?

891
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:24.319
I mean, please stop. But
I have gotten a few reports myself.

892
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:29.640
I spoke with Linda Godfrey, who
really sort of spearheaded the research into

893
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:34.600
quote dog man encounters. And now
it's fairly well accepted that these kinds of

894
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:42.239
beings do exist in our planet.
And there's a wide variety of these cryptozoological

895
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:46.359
beings are sort of coming and going
interdimensionally, right, And even if you

896
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:51.439
just look at humans in our own
genetic makeup, we have some very peculiar

897
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:57.920
things that happen. We have the
children who look like they're eighty when they're

898
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:05.399
five. They have giants among humans, we have little people. We have

899
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:12.159
the people who they call the wolf
people who get excessive amounts of hair.

900
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:16.079
We have the people who are allergic
to the sun, just like vampires.

901
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:19.920
You know. So that's just humans, and that's genetics, and that's part

902
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:26.079
of our life. But again,
as soon as you mention something non human

903
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:29.560
people just shut down their brains.
Are like, Nope, even though we

904
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.039
have all of that among the people
in humanity, even twins is kind of

905
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:39.039
a strange thing, right, quadruplets
and so on, doesn't matter. As

906
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:44.239
soon as it's the word non human
is mentioned, people can't deal with it.

907
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:49.079
I should say, not originally from
Earth, you know. But as

908
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.520
soon as that's mentioned, doesn't matter. How weird the stuff on Earth is,

909
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:58.600
and it's just as soon as it's
not from Earth they shut down.

910
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:04.640
And I've seen so weird things in
the ocean, I'm telling you. Yeah,

911
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:11.039
the evidence for sea monsters is very
compelling. And yeah, like you

912
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:15.039
said, hypertrichosis, the wolf people, porphyria, the people who are allergic

913
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:20.640
to some progeria. These are all
genetic. I don't even like to call

914
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:26.039
them mutations or just genetic conditions,
I guess would probably be the best way

915
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.000
of putting it. And if you
look at the you know, if you

916
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:33.800
study genetics, the genetics of you
know, asparagus and a peacock and a

917
01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:41.760
giraffe and a human and a chimpanzee
are very very very similar. There's not

918
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:46.840
a whole huge variety like people think, and genetic dials up different for each

919
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:54.479
species. But we're all carrying essentially
the same genes, and I suspect that

920
01:18:54.560 --> 01:19:01.319
genetics is universal and that grays have
you know, DNA too, as domnids,

921
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:09.960
as do all creatures who manifest in
the third dimension here and live physical

922
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:15.159
lives. Genetics is a huge part
of all this, and it's really worth

923
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:21.159
mentioning. According to what science believes
right now, initially everything would have been

924
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:29.359
very close together, and everything that
has created the universe eventually expanded apart,

925
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:34.640
and it's still expanding supposedly, right, But initially all the building blocks for

926
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:42.479
everything would have been very close together. So yeah, if they all are

927
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.199
similar to us, it wouldn't surprise
me at all like they have had the

928
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:53.680
same building blocks essentially. Yeah,
I think that's exactly the situation we're dealing

929
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:58.239
with, and that we are have
a far closer relationship to these guys than

930
01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:03.600
probably it's not fair to call them, you know, alien and are diversity

931
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:08.760
like you said here on Earth where
they're talking about the pygmy people or you

932
01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:12.119
know, the watusi, who you
know are upwards of seven feet tall,

933
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:21.319
and all the variations of skin color, our variation among humans, I think

934
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:30.119
we look more different than perhaps grays
r to humans. I mean, there's

935
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:34.680
wide variation among the grays as well, wide variation among the Mattis beings.

936
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.880
Talk to a lot of people who
described the Mattis beings, and they're often

937
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:44.640
described as anywhere from six seven to
eight feet tall, but I have reports

938
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:48.600
of up to fifteen feet tall,
and they're described as gray. They're described

939
01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:55.000
as green brown. I just interviewed
a lady. The one she saw was

940
01:20:55.039 --> 01:21:00.560
about five to six feet tall and
had a reddish skin. So there's variation

941
01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:08.039
among all species. I also find
it interesting to discuss the eye color because

942
01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:13.960
the human eye is actually rather unusual. Most of the animals on our planet

943
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.119
don't have white and the eye,
and for some reason, we still look

944
01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:23.119
at these beings that people are drawing
and get kind of freaked out by the

945
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:28.640
all black eye. But our eye
is the one that makes less sense when

946
01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:33.319
you think about it logically. And
there's also been a talk of red eyes,

947
01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:38.119
right, There's been several people have
seen red eyes, and we do

948
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:42.520
have creatures on our planet that have
red eyes, and some just really weird

949
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:46.199
eyes actually, you know, like
the ones that some of the creatures on

950
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:51.439
our planet have, like multiple eyes. You know, it's just some strange

951
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:55.720
things. But you know, again, once you say it might be et

952
01:21:56.119 --> 01:22:01.199
people freak out. Yeah, we'll
look at spiders have no eight nine eyes.

953
01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:06.560
Sometimes it's really interesting. There's a
book by Ellis Silver which I think

954
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:13.359
is very interesting because he puts forth
a sort of argument to say that humans

955
01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:17.560
are not super well adapted to Earth, and he raises some very interesting points.

956
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:20.960
I mean, we can only live
in a very narrow temperature range.

957
01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:28.880
Anyone over six feet tall probably has
lower back problems. Our eyes are different.

958
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:32.239
There's not a lot of food on
this planet that we can eat to

959
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:39.840
survive without preparing it in some way. We're not particularly well suited to this

960
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:44.840
planet, which makes me wonder.
And the fact that there are human looking

961
01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:50.119
ET's out there, like Travis Walton
saw and many others makes me wonder,

962
01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:56.479
hmm, did we evolve here?
So I don't know if you've read and

963
01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:00.680
I just could not wait to ask
you this question about star people. I

964
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:05.159
think it's already six Killer Clark has
written some books about this, and I've

965
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:12.039
been reading one lately, and they
and I don't want to say all of

966
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:17.119
the cultures believe this, but a
lot of the people that she spoke to

967
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:25.640
among the Native Americans or Indigenous people
believe that those are ancestors. The star

968
01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:30.520
people are ancestors, and of course
some of them look like our people,

969
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:34.960
you know, because we were them. You know, there are ancestors.

970
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:42.479
So there's this whole concept of you
know, they came, they populated the

971
01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:48.279
planet, and then they kept traveling. Yeah. I love already six Kilored

972
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:54.760
Clark. Okay, her books are
very very refreshing, and I think our

973
01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:58.119
show how there's quite a bit of
I don't want to call it full on

974
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:04.479
disinformation, but selective perhaps reporting on
this subject because her then puts in her

975
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:10.800
book are clearly sincere and honest and
are quite a bit different from a lot

976
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:16.159
of the reports we hear from some
mainstream researchers and describe a wide, wide

977
01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:20.199
variety of beings, which is what
I found in my own research, And

978
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:27.720
yeah, she does. I've interviewed
Native Americans who say the same thing,

979
01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:34.119
that they believe that they are descendants
from star people. One guy called him

980
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:42.199
the woe Jay, which is essentially
the same thing in Seneca. So I

981
01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:46.760
think that just goes to again to
speak to our close relationship to these guys

982
01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.560
and the fact that we are not
alone, we have never been alone.

983
01:24:54.560 --> 01:25:00.520
And the theory of evolution. While
I'm clearly true people do evolve, I'm

984
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:04.760
not so sure it was necessarily from
primates as we would think of it.

985
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:12.039
I think there probably was quite a
bit of genetic manipulation and intervention going on

986
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.640
throughout human history. That seems clear
to me. We're seeing that now with

987
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.720
the hybrid baby phenomena, but it's
clear to me from you know. I

988
01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:28.199
love Arty six Killers Clark's books because
the accounts are just different. They're a

989
01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:32.359
lot more friendly, but not all
of them. Some are not nice and

990
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:38.359
describe a wide, wide variety of
beings, which is absolutely I think what

991
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:43.800
we're seeing here in the United States. I think we're very much dominated by

992
01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:47.279
reports of grays, and in my
own research, I'd say at least fifty

993
01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:55.359
percent grays. But and there's a
lot. The tricky thing about the gray

994
01:25:55.479 --> 01:26:01.159
though, is that if you look
at some of the other beings, they

995
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:08.079
actually could be kind of the same. Like even the mantis being that they

996
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:11.960
describe, thighs are somewhat the same, right, It's just the shape of

997
01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:15.640
the head is a bit different.
And I actually made this point to someone

998
01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:18.640
when they were saying, oh,
I don't think we could have that many

999
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:26.920
different species coming to our planet,
because if they had traveled from another planet,

1000
01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:30.000
it would have taken so long.
I make a few points about this.

1001
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.199
I say, first of all,
they've had a lot longer than us.

1002
01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:36.560
Of course they could have traveled that
long. They could have been here

1003
01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:43.239
way long before we were here.
And then I also make the point we

1004
01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:47.159
have a lot of species on our
planet, you know, so why couldn't

1005
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:50.640
they all be from one other planet? I mean, I don't think they

1006
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:57.159
are. I don't think that's what's
happening. But logically speaking, they could

1007
01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.800
all be from one planet. They
could all look similar for that reason.

1008
01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:05.960
But that's just my two cents on
that some of them might be from here.

1009
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:12.279
There's a new term called crypto terrestrials. They've been here longer than we

1010
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:16.760
have, you know, they're not
necessarily extra terrestrials. Yeah, and I

1011
01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:25.960
totally agree. I think the variation
is wild. And that's what kept me

1012
01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:27.800
out of the field too. It's
like, well, the stars are too

1013
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:33.039
far away, you know, it's
science. If you know how hard barrow

1014
01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:39.079
the stars are, what are you
cannot get there using propellants. With our

1015
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:45.000
current technology, it would take hundreds
upon hundreds upon hundreds of years. It's

1016
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.680
just not going to happen. And
it becomes clear if you study the UFO

1017
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:55.960
accounts that that's not how they're traveling. They're not using propellants. There are

1018
01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:01.800
coming through portholes. They have a
way of traveling interdimensionally and are able to

1019
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:08.239
traverse great distances in very short periods
of time. I've talked to people who

1020
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:12.000
believe that they've been taking to other
planets. There are many accounts out there.

1021
01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:20.840
One really well verified case was the
hunter from Rawlings, Wyoming who gosh

1022
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:28.239
what Carl Higden, who had an
encounter where he was taken on board a

1023
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:30.399
craft. It was really tiny,
it was like ten feet wide. He

1024
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:34.399
goes on board, it's huge.
Inside he sees elk there that he was

1025
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:40.920
hunting. They took him to another
planet instantly. It did not take long

1026
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:45.600
at all. He was healed of
by the way, kidney stones and tubercular

1027
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:50.479
scars, and there were people in
the area at the time who saw UFOs.

1028
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:56.079
This truck was found without any tracks
around it. It's a really well

1029
01:28:56.199 --> 01:29:00.399
verified case and I think it has
a lot to speak about the nature of

1030
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.359
this phenomenon. Well, I feel
I don't want to take too much more

1031
01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:06.399
of your time because we definitely went
over It's just so much to talk about.

1032
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:12.039
But I really want to tell you
about someone I interviewed recently. Her

1033
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:19.119
name is Marie. She told me
a story of being on board a craft.

1034
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:26.199
It's in one of the previous Stebsdata
Dojo interviews. While she was telling

1035
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:29.960
me the story, I very much
could vividly see what she was talking about,

1036
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.239
and almost it was as vivid as
when I meditated. It was very

1037
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:40.680
vivid. She was describing that the
people on board the craft were being shown

1038
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:49.199
two planets, one where there was
what seemed like poison oozing through the planet,

1039
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:54.520
which I assume was their way of
saying, your planet's getting polluted.

1040
01:29:55.720 --> 01:30:01.119
Another planet where they were showing they
were populating a planet. And on that

1041
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:08.560
on that craft that she was on, they had a whole bunch of plants.

1042
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:13.199
So I feel like they were giving
this message to her, you know,

1043
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:17.840
your planet's getting messed up. We're
taking you guys because we need to

1044
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:23.920
repopulate another planet. Like I feel
like they were giving an answer to why

1045
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:28.880
these people were being abducted. So
I just I felt like I needed to

1046
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:33.720
share that story with you. Yeah, it's very interesting. I've heard similar

1047
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:40.560
stories, and I think it's entirely
possible that that will happen to us.

1048
01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:45.039
I mean, we could have an
existential crisis where they intervene and say,

1049
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:49.039
you know, what's time to go. There was one guy interviewed who was

1050
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:55.119
with a group of friends and one
of his friends had an experience and was

1051
01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:58.840
taken on board, and the ETS
invited him to go with them, and

1052
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.520
he declined, and they said,
well, if you change your mind,

1053
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:05.399
we'll come back. Long story short, that's exactly what happened, and he

1054
01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:14.279
went on board with them and disappeared. He was a missing person's case.

1055
01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.800
The police were called, you know, his parents. They never found him.

1056
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:20.079
They found his car, the keys
were still in it. He apparently

1057
01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:25.199
went with to ETS. That's what
it looks like. So that is something

1058
01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:30.199
that a lot of contact either are
talking about this. And one thing I

1059
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:34.560
hear over and over again from contact
is is the same dream of UFOs appearing

1060
01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:40.960
in large numbers in the skies and
people are like freaking out and they're like,

1061
01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:44.640
no, it's okay, go on
board. I'll show you. This

1062
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:47.800
is a very very common dream,
which really makes me scratch my head and

1063
01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:55.159
wonder if this is any way precognitive. I definitely heard that from someone recently.

1064
01:31:55.359 --> 01:32:01.119
That's strange. I've definitely heard they
described the exact dream weird. Huh,

1065
01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:10.520
Yes, that's eerie. But I
will say that when I talk to

1066
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:15.239
them about that, the bigger issue
is, you know, they can do

1067
01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:19.479
that, but it's actually getting out
of the craft and being safe that is

1068
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:29.079
the concern, because frankly, you
know, humans can be when they're scared.

1069
01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:33.920
They end up being a little aggressive
sometimes, and they value life highly,

1070
01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:41.039
so they don't really want any of
them to die just so that they

1071
01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:44.600
can do contact. So that's one
of those things that still needs to be

1072
01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:47.479
figured out. Dance, they can
do the show with all the craft and

1073
01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:54.520
we'll get everyone on board and the
sense I shouldn't use that saying get everyone

1074
01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:59.039
to be aware, not on board
necessarily, sorry, guys, get everyone

1075
01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:05.439
to be aware by doing that,
right, they could do that there.

1076
01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:11.079
I don't think that's gonna help with
contact per se. I think that will

1077
01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:16.760
maybe even scare more people, especially
people who saw Independence Day. So that's

1078
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:19.640
one thing that needs to be worked
out. Still, I think it may

1079
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:25.680
still happen that way. You know, it's happened many times in history.

1080
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:30.560
It's happened over the capital, you
know, essentially the Phoenix lights. It's

1081
01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:38.319
numerous, numerous stories where lots of
people witnessed at one time. So I

1082
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:41.760
think it's going to happen again.
But I don't think that's going to help

1083
01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:46.600
us with the contact part. Yeah, Ultimately, we do need to overcome

1084
01:33:47.159 --> 01:33:51.319
fear. I think that's one of
the things that's really holding back open official

1085
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:58.039
contact is our prejudices, our divisiveness, our warlike ways, our inability to

1086
01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:02.520
elect leaders who have our best entry
us in mind. That is what we

1087
01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:05.359
really need to work on. It's
up to us to solve our own problems.

1088
01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:12.439
Et is stepping in and handing us
the answers isn't going to help us.

1089
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:17.159
Everyone has to learn. Yeah,
but I think I think you're right.

1090
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:20.079
We're close to the point where I
think people would be able to handle

1091
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:28.279
a full on display and it would
change would change the public consciousness and bring

1092
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:30.760
us together in a way like,
Okay, we're not alone, there are

1093
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:35.239
other people out there. Ultimately,
the universe is safe. The very worst

1094
01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:40.159
thing that can happen to a person
is moving on to a higher dimension,

1095
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.119
and that's fine, and you can
come back. The universe is safe.

1096
01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:49.800
We need to overcome our fear,
and that is what our real problem is,

1097
01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:55.600
right and I hope you're right that
people will be able to handle it.

1098
01:34:55.680 --> 01:35:01.560
I think it really depends there.
I have spoken to so many people

1099
01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:08.760
who are still very scared because they
don't understand. And when we don't understand

1100
01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:13.159
something, there's fear. I think
it's going to take more than just the

1101
01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:18.000
display. We have displays going on
right now, an excessive number of craft

1102
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:28.399
over military right now. So obviously
people might have realized when the government said

1103
01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:32.159
one hundred and forty four sightings,
they meant that's a lot. Okay,

1104
01:35:32.239 --> 01:35:38.640
It's not just one object seeing one
hundred and forty four times. It was

1105
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:44.520
swarms of objects being seen at one
hundred and forty four different incidents, and

1106
01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:48.960
some of those swarms were there for
days, So that's a lot. There's

1107
01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:54.800
a lot going on. It's concerning
to the military, of course, but

1108
01:35:55.720 --> 01:36:00.720
at some point that swarm may show
up somewhere else and may be visible to

1109
01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:05.439
other people. And you know,
I just think we need to think what

1110
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:10.239
then do we do next? You
know, So that's that's where I'm at.

1111
01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.600
I'm just well, how do we
handle the next part? Because that

1112
01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:17.199
part's already getting ready to happen,
and it is essentially already happening, So

1113
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:25.319
what do we do next? So
that's one to ponder. Yes, Well,

1114
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:30.039
one thing is for sure that the
situation will change. Change is inevitable.

1115
01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:34.039
I think it's pretty clear this phenomenon
is not going to go away.

1116
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:40.800
It's been pretty much escalating, and
our awareness of it is escalating. Cut

1117
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:44.560
side of the bag. Cover up
can't go on. It's not tenable.

1118
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:49.239
Sooner or later it's going to collapse
under its own weight. So I think

1119
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:55.359
that's what we're going to see,
is, you know, truth flooding over

1120
01:36:55.479 --> 01:37:00.680
society because you can't hide the truth. It takes care of itself. You

1121
01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:03.920
can't hide the sky. You can't
hide the fact that UFOs exist. Most

1122
01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:09.079
people know what UFOs up. No, I've heard of them, certainly,

1123
01:37:10.439 --> 01:37:14.119
And so I think we're going to
be looking at big changes up ahead,

1124
01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:19.479
because that's the pattern, that's the
way it's always been. Things evolve in

1125
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:24.039
the futures. It's a great time
to be alive here. On Earth because

1126
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:28.399
I think we're really at a crossroads, right on the verge of a real

1127
01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:32.159
sea change, a paradigm shift,
and it's going to be really interesting to

1128
01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:35.840
see how this all rolls out.
I'm pretty excited about it. I know,

1129
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:43.319
we keep getting told you haven't seen
anything yet. Just wait. I

1130
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:47.119
know. So I'm looking forward to
it. I'd really like us to make

1131
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:55.000
some progress with this because again,
I get the sense that our friends are

1132
01:37:55.319 --> 01:38:00.159
tired of it. They are tired
of the hiding, They're tired of you

1133
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:05.840
know, some of the behaviors that
are involved with all of it. You

1134
01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:11.760
know, just tired and tired,
and they want they want to move on

1135
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:15.279
to the next step. You know, I imagine that all of these beings

1136
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:20.399
are probably interacting with each other,
right, so maybe they're just like,

1137
01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:25.039
maybe they're just like, come on, guys, let's just let's just get

1138
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:31.199
on with the show. Let's move
on. Let's get a little further after

1139
01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:38.760
all. You know. It's it's
funny because we're already doing the things that

1140
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:43.319
people claim that they wouldn't do,
like that these beings, you know,

1141
01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:46.680
we're imagining them, they would never
be coming here, but we're already getting

1142
01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:53.680
ready to move to Mars, right, so you know, it's like something

1143
01:38:53.880 --> 01:39:01.520
encoded in all beings apparently just explore, find things, interact, but part

1144
01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:10.359
of that beginning group of cosmic thus
before it expanded. Yeah, it's such

1145
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.119
a shame there is a cover up
which there is. You know, it's

1146
01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:17.000
demonishrable. It's not speculation. We
know it, and it's really screwed up

1147
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:25.119
humanities and our progress towards realizing our
oneness and the fact that that we're not

1148
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:30.600
alone but not anymore people, you
know, we're waking up right, and

1149
01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:34.920
for the it's for the most ridiculous
reason. I mean, I guess at

1150
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:39.560
the time that was a necessity for
them they didn't want their comms to be

1151
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:45.399
overburdened or whatever with sightings and stuff. But really that's the reason, like

1152
01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:49.520
they I don't think they even necessarily
meant to cover up as severely as they

1153
01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:57.279
did. It was literally so they
didn't get overpowered by calls from civilians.

1154
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:04.800
Yeah, yeah, it's such a
shamme but hey, we're pretty much past

1155
01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:12.640
that now. The ridicule factor has
gone away largely. There's no more debunkers.

1156
01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:15.960
Really, they look foolish if you
start to debunk right. Well,

1157
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:18.439
and my favorite thing is that science
is going to be involved in a big

1158
01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:23.319
way. It has always been involved. People are not aware, but there

1159
01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:28.640
have always been scientists working on this. But of course we don't have all

1160
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.840
of that information available to us.
But yes, of course they've been working

1161
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:36.239
on this. Like someone made a
really good point, if a general puts

1162
01:40:36.279 --> 01:40:42.439
out a memo saying this is real, we should be paying attention to this.

1163
01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:45.960
Of course they were paying attention to
it. You know, they didn't

1164
01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:50.880
stop, you know, as evidenced
of course by the recent off SAP a

1165
01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:56.720
tip all that, and of course
we know that the CIA was probably continuing

1166
01:40:56.760 --> 01:41:00.600
to moderate it. And frankly,
if you look at the foyer is they

1167
01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:03.600
didn't give us all the years.
They definitely didn't go very recent with some

1168
01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:08.479
of them. But at least into
the nineties they were telling us about moon

1169
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:15.560
dust. Yeah, because it's in
the DIA FOYUS in the nineties. Air

1170
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.800
Force is still denying Roswell, I
say, it's a balloon. Really,

1171
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:24.680
they still won't talk about the phoenix
lights come on right, yeah, you

1172
01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:28.800
know it's funny. I feel like
the nail and the coffin for Roswell was

1173
01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:36.920
when Donald Trump said, I'm considering
releasing information and lifting the confidentiality on it

1174
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:41.520
or whatever. And I'm like,
why would you need to do that for

1175
01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:47.479
a story everyone knows about. Why
would you need to disclose something that you've

1176
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:53.159
been telling us. Why is there
anything else to reveal? We've been told

1177
01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:57.600
it's a balloon. So like that, that didn't make sense. I said

1178
01:41:57.680 --> 01:42:00.640
that, like, why would you
need to tell us any more? Donald

1179
01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:05.520
Trump? It just doesn't make sense
to me. So I think he messed

1180
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:10.840
up. He probably shouldn't have said
that, but he should have been like,

1181
01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:13.880
oh, it's just a balloon.
But no, he said, Oh,

1182
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:15.840
I might be telling you guys some
more. I haven't decided if I'm

1183
01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:20.439
going to declassify. Why would you
need to declassify? You know? Like

1184
01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:27.079
that was really interesting to me,
but a great you. So I just

1185
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:30.880
thank you so much for coming.
I know I kept you a whole lot

1186
01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:34.439
longer than I intended. I clearly
have a lot to talk to you about.

1187
01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:39.279
I hope I get to talk to
you again. I would like you

1188
01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:43.720
to tell people where they can find
you and a little bit about your books

1189
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:49.079
and also what you'll be working on
next. Yeah. Thanks, deb I

1190
01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:54.479
appreciate you having me on the show. My latest book is Wondrous twenty five

1191
01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:58.760
True uf O and Connors. Just
about to put out another book. I'm

1192
01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:03.680
excited about that about a lady named
Dolly. Is that Fully Conscious Encounters.

1193
01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:09.359
I do have a website, Preston
Dennett dot Weebley dot com is the address,

1194
01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:11.359
but if you just punch in my
name it and take you there,

1195
01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:16.479
my books are available on Amazon.
I'm also on Facebook and Twitter and trying

1196
01:43:16.479 --> 01:43:21.680
to get on to be more active
on Instagram and putting out my research on

1197
01:43:21.760 --> 01:43:27.439
YouTube. Yeah, this is an
important subject. I'm excited and I really

1198
01:43:27.479 --> 01:43:31.359
appreciate you having on this show because
this is something I take very seriously.

1199
01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:36.319
Right, you have a brilliant mind. I think one of my favorite things

1200
01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:42.640
about watching your show is just the
way you retain information is amazing, and

1201
01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:46.479
you're great at conveying the information to
the public. So I truly appreciate you

1202
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.399
coming and talking to me again.
I hope we'll get to talk again in

1203
01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:56.920
the future, and I look forward
to seeing what you're going to put out.

1204
01:43:56.960 --> 01:44:02.119
I'll keep watching you on YouTube.
Awesome. Thank you, Okay,

1205
01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:09.319
and so listeners have a good night. This is Deb from de Deb's dad

1206
01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:14.199
at Jojo, part of the Calling
All Beings podcast network. If you want

1207
01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:15.479
to look for me, I'm at
Study of U A. P S.

1208
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:21.760
I'm on LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, the UFO connector dot com. I'm

1209
01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:27.239
all over the place. Just reach
out and talk. Have a good night.