WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:10.439 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:18.559 So like Shay, subscribe and read it. I stre and me us 3 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:29.160 today and listening watching always keep it Squatchy and now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and 4 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:34.240 James Bobo Fay. Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing today? 5 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:37.079 Good? He just got back in town. Huh Yeah, I was 6 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.200 in Mexico for a week fishing. Man. It was awesome. It was 7 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:45.119 a much needed and deserved rest, in my opinion. You're coon in the 8 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.320 Toronto's Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. We went to my neighbor Gary, 9 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:53.840 who I've spoken about before in the podcast. Actually one of his friends 10 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:57.359 listens to the podcast and brought it up to Gary that day. Hey, 11 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.520 I've heard about I heard you're doing this, Angreys. What are you talking 12 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.880 about? Yeah, because Gary's a private guy or whatever. So yeah, 13 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.400 but like some of his friends, I've actually listened to the podcast and brought 14 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.000 it up to him. He's kind of surprised at that, say, hey, 15 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.599 man, you're famous. He lived down the road for me. That 16 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.560 who he had asking this is Saul. Oh he really does. Gary's much 17 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.480 more of a man than any anyone that has a past. Yeah, absolutely, 18 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.079 especially anybody with the podcast. We're a soft folk. But anyway, 19 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:26.760 I'm sure Joe Rogan would want to kick my ass over that. Nonetheless, 20 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.760 nonetheless, hopefully I'm sure he doesn't listen. So yeah, I went down 21 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.680 to Mexico for a week because you know, you know, you've known me 22 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.000 for a long time. Boo, Like a lot maybe a lot of people 23 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:38.400 don't realize. I used to work in fishing tackle stores and Long Beach, 24 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.480 California and Seal Beach. My first job was Anglers tackle Box and Seal Beach 25 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:48.079 on corner Marina Drive and PCCh down there, and then I've moved from there 26 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:52.000 over to the Fisherman's Hardware in Long Beach down in Temple and Anaheim. That's 27 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:56.799 actually where I my my my enjoyment of beer was born because we were right 28 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.200 next to the legendary bar Joe Jost in Long Each, California, which is 29 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.599 an awesome bar. It's still there. Then when we used to have to 30 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.159 work late, you know, we worked real late during the summer, like 31 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:09.199 you know, till eight o'clock at night or something. We usually close at 32 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.719 six, but between six and eight, you know it's pretty busy, but 33 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:21.639 later on in the season, No you don't, that's staying in. Sorry, 34 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:23.919 No, I appreciate you for who you are. Bobs. Yeah, 35 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:27.599 So during that time of year when I got a little slow, but we 36 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.000 still had to work late because I hadn't change of winter schedule yet, we'd 37 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.039 do two minute schooner breaks where we'd you'd have to leave the store, go 38 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.719 next store. We leave Fisherman's Hardware, go to Joe Jos, sit at 39 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:39.879 the bar, order a schooner of beer, drink it, and be back 40 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:44.520 within two minutes or you had to buy the next round. Oh. Needless 41 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.280 to say, we didn't get a lot of stuff done during those last hours 42 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.840 or two, you know, but there was a great time. That's why 43 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.479 I like beer in general. But anyway, Yeah, I went down to 44 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.360 lave Antana, lave Antana, which is about forty five minutes south of La 45 00:02:54.400 --> 00:03:01.000 Pause on the inside of the Baja California California dates or sour like southern state 46 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:07.120 of Baja California, and fish with this awesome fishing guy named Kamalleon, which 47 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.960 means chameleon in English. So yeah, I went down there and we limited 48 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.840 out on dorato every single day, usually by eight or nine in the morning, 49 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:17.759 and they're pretty big fish or like maybe twenty five or thirty pounds, 50 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:22.520 like the bigger ones. Most of the ones we uh most of the ones 51 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.120 we caught were twelve to fifteen or something like that. But you know, 52 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.800 drato are real thin, skinny fish, so they look a lot bigger than 53 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.319 they actually weigh. I think probably the biggest fish that we boarded was about 54 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.599 twenty twenty five, but we hooked up a couple of bigger ones and dumped 55 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.479 them. But nonetheless, it was a great trip. Caught some pargo like 56 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:45.719 yellow snappers and pargos and rooster fish and jack cravelle and yeah, I got 57 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.000 the brush off my Spanish chops and lay it down for a week. Then 58 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.240 it was awesome. I love speaking Spanish. It's it's it's a lot of 59 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:58.520 fun. I'm not very good at it. Uh so fluente no si fluente, 60 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.280 but oh I can change my I can change the words around to say 61 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:02.960 what I need to say. By the end of the week, I was 62 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.439 understanding Spanish a lot better. It was it was a blast man ninety five 63 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.560 degrees or oh you know what was cool about it two bobs. You've been 64 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:13.520 to Baja before, but you know, it's a pretty It's completely desert, 65 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.040 right, But that hurricane came through a couple of weeks ago, and then 66 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.800 the week after that there was a huge trenchill downpour in the area with flooding 67 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.759 and whatnot, which is and of course good. But what it did do 68 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:28.920 is make the entire peninsula green. It was super, super green, and 69 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.560 their flowers were blooming, and you could see the smell of flowers in the 70 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:38.199 air and the desert and their animals. It was fantastic. Man. So 71 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:42.480 got the fish for about four days and came back Sunday night around eleven o'clock. 72 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.680 And now I'm working every single day for the next week. So I've 73 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.279 been done there for a long time. I loved it. I'd like to 74 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.879 go down again, maybe a different time of year, you know, I'd 75 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:57.560 like to catch a wider variety of fish. I understand spring is particularly good 76 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:59.759 in the area. So we'll see what happens, man, We'll see what 77 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.759 happen. I've spent about over two years of my life in Mexico mostly bought 78 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.439 well in mainland and Baha mostly. Did you ever go down that far where 79 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:12.319 you're up north further. Drove down there a couple times. Nice little slice 80 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.040 of paradise, man, super good, super good. Loved it. Yeah, 81 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:19.040 I went snorkeling and caught little baby fish from the shore and little cabrillas 82 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.040 and stuff like that from the shore. It was great, man, it 83 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:26.120 was great. But back to work, back to Bigfoot. I get a 84 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.839 ton of reports coming in from as usual, you know, September October, 85 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:36.399 just pouring in photos, track finds, lots of vocalizations, people are hearing 86 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.240 sightings. Just it just always all over North America. It's just primetime. 87 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.199 Everyone just picks up right now. Yeah, it seems fall is always a 88 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:47.480 really good time. And I don't know if that's because people are out in 89 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.519 the woods enjoying the last gasp of summer, or if the animals are more 90 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.720 mobile or something this timing year, or deer and elk hunting is a big 91 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.160 part of it has to be, has to be, But I mean, 92 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.680 I don't know is it is it deer or elks and right now it must 93 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.079 be it's fall, But I don't know any of that starts or whatever. 94 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.199 Yeah, I'll see you a little bit later, but I'm sure it's hoping 95 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.839 somewhere, but yeah, it's dear right now. For a lot of places, 96 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.360 like where do they have like you know, just a place of our 97 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.319 tree until like end of August or whatever you like. Just depends where you 98 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.680 are in the country, part of what state you're in, like what part 99 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:23.399 of that state. It varies, but that's generally how it goes. Yeah, 100 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:25.959 I love you said that it's Elk season somewhere. I mean it's like 101 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.120 saying, yeah, it's five o'clock somewhere. Yeah, looking for an excuse. 102 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.839 Nice. Yeah, Well, we're back on it right now. I'm 103 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.639 back from vacation. We've got some great episodes coming up in the next couple 104 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.680 of weeks. But this one right here is going to be our Q and 105 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.160 A for August. Of course, we're going to start with the questions that 106 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.439 our audience has given us, and then we'll sign off in about an hour. 107 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:48.639 I think it's September, Cliff, is it? Oh gosh, darn 108 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.399 it, it is September. You're right, Bobs. Where does the time 109 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.279 go? But yeah, September, So September Q and A. Oh screw 110 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.279 up, man, Let's do the August Q and A again. This show 111 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.720 is just going to be a repeat of last month. That was a popular 112 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.000 one. It was a really good one actually, But now what we'll do 113 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.600 a new one just for our listeners. Yeah, for no one else but 114 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:09.839 anybody who listens. So yeah, we're gonna take questions from our our audience, 115 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.040 and then about an hour or so we're going to sign off and then 116 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.720 just take our questions from our members. 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You just go to the website big Beyon Podcast dot com 132 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.319 and hit contact, or if you do hit If you do that, go 133 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.759 to big Foot Beyond podcast dot com and hit contacts. There is a special 134 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.000 button there where you can leave a voicemail for us if you'd like to hear 135 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.319 your voice on the air asking us a question. So I would recommend you 136 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:30.079 do that because it's fun. That's how I get my questions in exactly exactly. 137 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:35.000 So yeah, let's jump into the questions, Bobs. Shall we hit 138 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.360 it up for Maestro? Hit it Maestro? Hey, Cliff, Hey, 139 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.279 Bobo. My name is Matt and I live in Arcade, to California in 140 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:48.399 Humble County. I had a friend in the early two thousands who was living 141 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.879 up in Orleans, California. He was telling me a story about two Sasquatches 142 00:08:54.519 --> 00:09:00.399 that were wrestling and they knocked the shed off the foundation. All have said 143 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.080 that Bobo spent some time up there too. I'm just confirming this story and 144 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.679 seeing if it's true or Bobo, if you remember anything about that situation. 145 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:13.039 Anyway, I love the podcast. I love you guys. Keep on doing 146 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.960 what you're doing and keep it Quietchy that's on you. Bob's yeah, I 147 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:18.240 remember. I know what he's talking about it. I know. I'm pretty 148 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.399 sure I know which guy he's talking about, too, a buddy of ours. 149 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:24.639 I wasn't. I didn't see the shed and all that stuff, but 150 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.960 I remember him coming down one day because you know, it was obviously like 151 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.720 a weed farm out there. And this is back when you still guys aren't 152 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.879 really just growing in their yards, like they were still hiking out and going 153 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:37.840 on four service land or timber company land, and you know, of their 154 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.320 own properties, so they didn't trying to get it seized or anything like that. 155 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.279 They'd go out there and he's coming back one time, at like dusk, 156 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.519 it was just getting dusk. He had a real scary encounter and then 157 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.720 he started noticing that to that point, he's like, dude, you're right 158 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.320 there here. If that's the same guy he's talking I think it's the same. 159 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.080 It is the same. Actually no, I honestly I thought it was 160 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.480 a red cap. But oh, okay, wait if he saw about the 161 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.120 Oh he's talking about a whole different thing. I was thinking on the other 162 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.840 side of the river. Yeah, exactly what he's talking about. I mean, 163 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:11.360 I'm right, I have such a bad memory. I'm correcting Bobo's memory 164 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.720 now. Yeah, you know what they said, trailer. It wasn't a 165 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.039 I thought he said, shid, it wasn't a shed due it was a 166 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.919 freaking single wide mobile home on the foundation. It was on a perimeter foundation. 167 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:24.559 It sound like a bowlder rolling down the hill and it slammed into the 168 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.200 side of the trailer and it's so hard, and the whole thing got shifted 169 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:35.039 over about probably about three quarters of an inch inch on the on the whole, 170 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.559 that whole half of the trailer got shoved over like a good almost an 171 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.960 inch on the foundation. Not bad. Yeah. That's also the place where 172 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.279 the four three sets eyes with one set poking up behind the smaller eyes the 173 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.279 second small There was three sets eyes like when was about eight eight and a 174 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.600 half but up the room was probably close to seven somewhere around there six and 175 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:03.480 a half seven. Their sids was in between probably seven and a half or 176 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.080 something, but so there was three sizes. But then the second smallest eyes 177 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.840 he saw a really smaller I was small in the restaurant down like below five 178 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.080 feet would poke out from behind it like it was poking up behind the mom 179 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.600 or whatever older sibling or whatever it was, and the guy just goes. 180 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.279 He charged, He charged him, and he had the spot in his hand, 181 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.679 and the spotlight went up and down like as he started to run. 182 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.279 They jumped, you could. You just saw like they were black. That's 183 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.240 all you could tell. As there was black further and they jumped. They 184 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.480 just jumped back in the dark. And then the so fast they were going 185 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.960 up the hill so quick beause it was unbelievable how fast they were. You 186 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.000 couldn't see the thing besides their eyes show. That's how something. I couldn't 187 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.720 tell they were glowing or not. But there was a like a sixty watt 188 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.440 bulb on like I don't know, probably one hundred and twenty feet away or 189 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.440 something like that, one hundred and thirty feet away. So I guess that 190 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.120 because there's a light miss in the air and their eyes and that was the 191 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.679 only thing that the dude was colorblind. He was he saw like what he 192 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.759 interpreted the color was was different. Like what I saw was a yellowy orange. 193 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.559 There's some green tints in it sometimes, and the girls saw green yellow. 194 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.440 We all saw a different color or we interpreted a different color. Well, 195 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.399 to be fair, yellow green and green yellow are pretty close to the 196 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.399 same thing, right, Yeah, but there was there was like it was 197 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.639 like orangey, like a fiery orangey red. Some of it like it just 198 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.279 funded like when they moved their head around a little bit, but there was 199 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.639 a slight mist and it looked like there was like a little bit of like 200 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.480 you could actually see like like you know, in your head lighter in the 201 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.399 fog, you can see like the you can see the miss lighting up. 202 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.000 It was doing that a little bit, like a faintly, faintly, faintly 203 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.840 just ever so suddenly off their eyes, like the reflection or whatever was because 204 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:50.720 I don't yeah, I think if there were glowing people said they're dark deep 205 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.840 red when they grow. They weren't doing that they're so it must have been 206 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.360 reflection. But yeah, it was a crazy man that it saw like a 207 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.039 boulder rolled down the hill and slammed into the trailer. This guy he wasn't 208 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.840 doing a big weed. This guy was a car builder. I was going, 209 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.759 I was going into the business with him, dude doing etsuls and oh 210 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.360 god, what's the other one? I can't think there's a car cover there 211 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.320 was in the fifties went out the business like late fifties, really sixties. 212 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.399 But they had a bunch of killer Constant packards and he was he was working 213 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.039 doing custom building, custom package like jay Leno, people like that. So 214 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.960 I took some money and invested them to buy some frames and get all the 215 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.080 equipment up there. Then they started telling me about this, like they were 216 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.519 living up there, him and his girlfriend there. They weren't like outdoors people. 217 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:39.240 Really, they weren't it all there from the city. They can't tell 218 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.600 me all these crazy sounds they're here. And I'm going, like, they're 219 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.200 hearing mountain lions, you're hearing bobcats, you're hearing foxes, you're hearing owls, 220 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.960 you're hearing that. His girlfriend was telling me one day, she goes, 221 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.639 yeah, the Indians up here are weird. It's right outside of Orleans. 222 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.960 She goes, yeah, the Indians are weird. They're throwing their like 223 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.279 talking gibberish and like throwing sticks at me in the daily and like little pebbles 224 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.759 that when I'm cleaning the garden area. And then she said, she goes, 225 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.320 oh, she goes, You're right, it wasn't. It wasn't Indian 226 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:07.799 source stuff. I mean, she goes, it was. I saw it 227 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.320 was a bear. It was a bear. That was was black bear. 228 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.879 It stands up and throws it underhand, Like how's it though? When she's 229 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.879 she's like a softball picture you like underhand she had just sow. Doesn't try 230 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.840 to hit me, just throw them around me. So anyways, they kept 231 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.559 to me all this stuff was going on. I kept saying, like, 232 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.960 you guys are tripping, because I was there when bartowl was kicked off one 233 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:31.639 evening and they both shot up like eyes big. I'm like, you're hearing 234 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.000 they go, we hear that sometimes like lots of how that's for sure. 235 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.559 And now then they also didn't know what a fox sounded like, so I 236 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.039 was like that. I was like, that's a fox. So anyways, 237 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.120 but then they were talking about these screams and howls at night that were different. 238 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.320 I thought, you guys, because I did hear a cougar up there 239 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.679 one time when they weren't there. I was just coming back from I was 240 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.720 I stopped by the you know, see if they were around when I come 241 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.279 back down from bluff. Yeah, So that that was like that was the 242 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.919 most active place I was ever approached me around like they were coming around a 243 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:07.080 lot for a while. Stay tuned for more big Foot and Beyond with Cliff 244 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:16.120 and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages, that's right. I 245 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.919 also or Malagi. I had the recording then all that's when my house got 246 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.960 program joll. My recordings got storm but I had just audio only, but 247 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:26.399 I played it from Belgium. You could hear the double slap feet like the 248 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:31.559 hinge foot like here s a slaps a slap when they ran, you could 249 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.799 hear a double slap. And they were so fast. One thing I took 250 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.519 away from it there was how fast, like just insanely fasting? Were than 251 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.840 also that they want to talk about, So that seemed paranormal. Maybe was 252 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.559 listen to this one my buddy never say I I well, okay, the 253 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.279 backtrack. When I first heard out there there was big Foot's up there. 254 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.279 He shoot up at my house at like seven thirty in the morning going dude, 255 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.679 Dude, I told you there's footprints up there's footprints up there on what 256 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.960 he's dude, there's big foot tracks on the property right now, going through 257 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:06.159 the firewhere they were burning a butch. H just the places overgrown. It 258 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.080 been abandoned for eleven years, dude, and the big foots were living on 259 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.120 the property and they were Actually there was an old I wish I still had 260 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.320 those samples, but there was an old abandoned not abandoned, but there was 261 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.399 an old travel trailer that they turned into like you know, full time housing. 262 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:22.279 And the door was when they bought the property of the door was wide 263 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.360 up and the sunglass door was wide up, and it was like could be 264 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.799 an open for a few years. There's these big like betting areas and they're 265 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.919 like, well the floor was sagged in like looked like bodies we've been laying 266 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.639 down And I was like, no, wait, this is so I went 267 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.919 I went to I went and bought a cam quarter that before I went up 268 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.039 there like that. When I went had drive around like four places. I 269 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.320 ended up going to South Arica to try to find I was living in Arcade 270 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.960 at the time. I had to go down to south the Rica to finally 271 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:53.360 find a place had a a cam quarter and I jam up there in the 272 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.960 batteries weren't charged. We ran in and plugged it in. There's like about 273 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.600 twelve twelve thirty in the afternoon, wins were starting to pick up and in 274 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:07.240 the in the ashes of the burn pit where these two perfect tracks, perfect 275 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:15.079 like full like Hereford tracks you know from Washington. Those Hareford tracks look which 276 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.720 is like those little block You're not quite as long, but pretty close they 277 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.319 are. They're about an inch shorter than his. And there was one two 278 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.440 across and they went over to where a rat trap was because they were stealing 279 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.400 the rat traps were getting set off and all the gummy because I gave him 280 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.039 a bunch of I was kind of funding the operation, so I dropped them 281 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:41.480 off like rat traps and mouse traps and with like a gummy drops grammy bears 282 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.200 and Steve and put them on there. Whatever it was was walking around the 283 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:47.720 stick and sitting off the traps and taking the gummy bears off all the traps. 284 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.680 Well, when we first I put out when we first did that, 285 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.720 when it first started, that was the first time I put out a rat 286 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.680 trap and it looked like the thing it looked like the what we're guessing is 287 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.240 the rat trap got him on the finger or something, because it turned around, 288 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.240 straddled the rat trap and took a crap over it, a huge dump 289 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.920 as one does. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that place was. 290 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:15.519 That place was wild, man like. That's also the place. Oh yeah, 291 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.200 the back porch. The back porch was really starty. It was all 292 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.160 two by sixes, it was. It was built ahold of hot tub and 293 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.880 stuff, and it came up on the side of it was a sighing glass 294 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:27.279 door in the single wide and the single lady was it was older, but 295 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.359 it was it was decent. It was fine. It was you know, 296 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.839 typical older like twenty thirty year old trailer, you know. But anyway, 297 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:40.759 so there was this giant handprint smeared down the side of the glass the siding 298 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:44.720 glass door, like a huge one, dude. And the thing it's it 299 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.119 opened. The door came in the whole floor to the floor, the floor 300 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:53.400 and the floorboard, the subfloor. Everything in the trailer was collapsed like something 301 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.000 super like. I mean, I was like two fifty two sixty. Then 302 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.039 I'd walk in another like there was no sign of like a weak floor, 303 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:04.559 nothing like it was no, nothing out of the ordinary. This whole floor 304 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:08.839 section was collapsed. Whatever it was was so long and tall, could reach 305 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.759 over to the fridgerator, open the fridge. I was putting bait there because 306 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:17.640 I was putting bait out for it every night. And it reached over and 307 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:19.519 was able to pull the bait out, like smoked salmon and stuff like that 308 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:25.440 out of the fridge and took off, and the girl I was like, 309 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:26.680 oh my gosh, insane. So I went I was. I was like, 310 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.160 I gotta get a finger lifting, get a cop or someone to come 311 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.079 up here, and left this prince. I gotta figure out how to left. 312 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:34.359 I know you could lift prince. And I was, okay, I 313 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:38.680 get the prince that I left off. Her parents were coming on the next 314 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.559 day to visit, and she didn't want to freak them out, so she 315 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:48.279 she scrubbed off the big hand smear down the that slid open the side blast 316 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.000 where there was two actually two hampers. One was perfect and you see the 317 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.119 whole all five fingers. It was giant, dude. It was like it 318 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:57.559 was like thirteen inches from the bottom of the palm to the top of the 319 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:02.160 middle finger thirteen and a half inches I think it was fourteen inches. And 320 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:06.519 then it was each finger was his wide. It's two of my fingers together. 321 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.559 I mean it was. It was massive. It was, it was 322 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:14.799 massive, and so I was super pissed about that. And then yeah, 323 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:15.799 so the people that were living there, Dude, I didn't realize it. 324 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.200 In hindsight, I should have known. But the guy started tweaking and he 325 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.799 got all met out and then there was no the one the guy was carrying 326 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.079 the note, the guy that sold the property. It was cheap too. 327 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.680 Back then it was like one hundred and nine grand for thirty or whatever. 328 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.799 It was twenty five acres. So he was, he was there, and 329 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.480 I didn't realize it, but he started getting weirder and weirder and weirder. 330 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.039 There was no cats out on the property because the guy on the property I 331 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.720 was carrying the note was Audubon Society guy big. He was a birdwatcher, 332 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.359 actually came out of here for was birdwatching, and he put in all this 333 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.240 indigenous I mean not indigenous, well, yeah, like native plants for specifically 334 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:57.720 for the birds. And the whole thing was set up as a bird sanctuary. 335 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.079 And I put up you know, was like whatever I think the closing 336 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.880 costume at the places, like sixteen grand, and then I bought another fifteen 337 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.640 grand and tools and stuff like that, so so I had some money invested 338 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.319 into it, and I was paying all the monthly the monthly bills while he 339 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:14.400 was starting to work on the cars. But then they got all freaked out 340 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.920 by the big foot thing, just kind of particular everything off track then. 341 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.319 But they decided she wanted to have a kitten, and they were at the 342 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:23.920 store. There's someone had a kitten outside of the given away caps at the 343 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.359 store, so she took one, knowing that that was immediate end of the 344 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:33.559 contract with any cats on the property. Then she got another cat, so 345 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.319 she had two kittens out there. The guy and he said he was gonna 346 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:37.960 come visit us sometime the next month. And he shows up and there's two 347 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:42.359 cats there and he just well that was it. Greeveance over and the guy 348 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.480 that was on the draw, the guy I was working with, he just 349 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:51.440 took all the tools, dude split took everything and stuff out them borrow like 350 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.720 and just split the county like disappirited somehe over an Oregon and I got left 351 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.160 holding the bag and just got nothing because like there was like the they were 352 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.920 seeing the contract. It was no cats. A lot of you lose your 353 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.799 the deal's off and there's everything you put into it. I was like, 354 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.400 that's new problem. So we're not gonna have a cat. Sure enough, 355 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.519 she gets a cat up there and yeah. But that was a place where 356 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.440 there was this big, big bush. It was down below and the trash 357 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.680 it kept about, the trash gettings taken. Well. I went down there, 358 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.039 I tracted it down in there where I was going, it was this 359 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.640 big and they'd snapped off all it was this big looking like a giant mushroom. 360 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.759 I can't remember kind of bush it was, but that those big foots 361 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:30.599 had snapped off the inside. There was like a huge room inside like about 362 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.640 almost six foot high, like six and a half foot high, similar spots 363 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.720 like it was. It wasn't semestrical. I mean it was a bush when 364 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:42.240 it was uneven, but dude, every there was piles and all these empty 365 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:48.000 trash bags and there not all those probably six or seven of the not full 366 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.559 sized garvernage bags, but like the I think they're seventeen gallon ones for trash, 367 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.640 like smaller trash cans thirteen gallon whatever. There was a bunch of those. 368 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.240 They were emptied out and you can see where he's like whatever. They 369 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:06.759 would sort everything by texture, like the texture they feel like it was plastic 370 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.839 or fabric, and then color and shape. It was I've seen other people 371 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:11.799 something like, yeah, this is what this big it's been doing. It's 372 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.000 like it's just weird. It looks like a really weird person did it. 373 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:19.079 I'm every sort of going like wow, like look at it. There was 374 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:26.960 also electronic parts in there, like telephone chords and like like uh, the 375 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:34.200 old telephone cords and stereo chords and just stuff like that, and like plastic. 376 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.119 It seemed to really like plastic stuff. It had like piles of plastic 377 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.039 and it was just really odd. I was like, wow, this is 378 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:44.079 amazing. And I was walking me, we were walking out, the guy 379 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.759 were walking down the other one day in the afternoon, broad daylight, two 380 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:51.680 in the afternoon, probably late summer, and all of a sudden, we 381 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.039 hear this stomping Like I did a little couple of whoops, and all of 382 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:57.440 a sudden something sort of just came stomping like you could hear it walking up 383 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.079 the hill towards us. We're like, oh my us coming in broad daylight. 384 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.960 It's just us between worked in this little clear like small clearing, like 385 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:08.200 fifteen by ten foot clearing. There's this big bush right in front of us, 386 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:12.599 going downhill and then coming up the hill behind the bush. We never 387 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:17.200 saw it. It came stomping up and it's so dry up there at the 388 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.319 time of year. It was just like tinder box, and there was down 389 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.400 leaves everywhere. There's a lot of oak trees and stuff, so it was 390 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.759 just real noisy, like you'd hear that there are a lot of wood rats 391 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:29.839 there and you'd hear them all all like hear lizards and stuff. You sally, 392 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:32.799 so you think there's a bear coming, or you'd turn around it's a 393 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.599 freaking lizards ripping through the leaves. The thing came stomping up and we could 394 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:41.440 hear it like muttering new itself, like we couldn't make anything out, like 395 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.920 it was just real low, grumbly mumbly. And then I turned on my 396 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.079 camera. It was real low muttery. It didn't it didn't record, it 397 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:52.319 didn't pick up on an audio. So we each had a camcorder at this 398 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.240 point like dude, on three, we're both going to run around. You 399 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.880 go not tithing on this side, and the thing was dead quiet. I 400 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:00.640 go one two like I was doing it like a bout in the words like 401 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.440 not beings on one two three, and I gave the ghost sign and he 402 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.400 pulled jumped around the bush like in a second and a half two seconds. 403 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:12.519 We were filming their side. Nothing that time. Yeah, one time we 404 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:17.519 heard it and we went to go jump around the bush. And before I 405 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.759 couldn't even jump around the bush, he took off running. And that's when 406 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:23.839 I was recording. I had the recorder going and you could hear the footfalls. 407 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.119 It didn't vocalize, but you just heard slap stop so stop so shop 408 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.119 like double ball. And I called Belgium like right then and there. I 409 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.680 called him and played it over the phone like from like right like rewound and 410 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.279 play it back like two minutes later he got the or ten minutes later he 411 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.720 got to hear it. You're hearing that double slaps him. He's like that 412 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.240 is awesome. He's all, I really want to get a copy of that. 413 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:48.319 And there's another thing, the one thing I'm sure I would have got 414 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.279 on I know I got it on film. Was they started hanging the trash 415 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:53.319 of the rats couldn't get it on an old flag pull mount on the front 416 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.359 of it. There's a little porch built in front of that travel trother was 417 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.680 downbling, not the single one. About one hundred yards below that was a 418 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.799 travel trailer with the porch, a big porch build on the front of it, 419 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.880 over hanging porch. So the rats, the rapts are the raps were 420 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:10.359 the thickest, so they were hanging the There was on the front of the 421 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:11.640 porch. Theres you know, two by six holding up the porch, and 422 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:17.680 there was a flagpole holder on that on that flag pole holder that hang the 423 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:19.119 trash. And it would come up every day. It was coming up like 424 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.200 before dark, dude, like an hour before dark and taking the trash and 425 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.279 going down into that hauled out bush and separating it and you know, organizing 426 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.240 it and taking whatever food it would take whatever food was there and leave everything 427 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.200 else. So I had my camera set up rolling kind of cameoed inside the 428 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.759 inside the trailer, looking right out the window full frame. It was a 429 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:44.240 big picture window on the front, full frame. Had the squash would have 430 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:48.880 been completely shown head to toe. And that's when the at that time, 431 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.480 this is all in a couple of weeks period. That's when we left for 432 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.880 a couple hours, came back. We came back at dark and it was 433 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.240 still light out though, and the trash was gone. And I was like, 434 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.440 oh my god, I got it. I got it somehow. Probably 435 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.319 I think I brought my VCR back to my house or that you had to 436 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.599 have like those insert things you'd put the VHS tape into the like that whatever. 437 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.599 That was like an adapter, an adapter. Yeah, so I had 438 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.319 I had that back of my house, so we had I had to go 439 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.440 back to my house to watch the footage. That's the night when the the 440 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.960 boulder. We thought it was a boulder, but it was a sasquatch around 441 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:26.720 down the hill. It's not like a boulder rolling down the hill. Just 442 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.839 boom, the thing was vibrating, shaking it. Hear it coming. It's 443 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.839 not like a boulder. One boom, boom, boom down the hill and 444 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.279 bam, crashed into the side of the trailer. The whole thing. Everything 445 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.000 got like everything that got knocked over, things on shelves got knocked over. 446 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:44.160 I mean, everything just went went flying off to the side. We're like, 447 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.720 holy, we thought we thought the trailers got mashed by a boulder. 448 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.920 And then we heard more foot footfalls running down the driveway hitting away, but 449 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.880 it was bone dry. I was like September at this point, early August 450 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.160 or something, and just it was so big and heavy and so fast and 451 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.759 it hit the hit things so hard it kind of creased aside. Like you 452 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.279 can't you went. If you walked on he would and be like, oh, 453 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.640 something smashed into there. I mean like when we knew where it hit, 454 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.119 you can see like where all the desk was off, and and like 455 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:12.759 you could tell like it was there has been a lot of pressure on it. 456 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.799 But it wasn't like smashed or anything. Was I gotta get that trailer 457 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.799 credit. It held up pretty well, but yeah, there was. There's 458 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.880 just something. So I went that's when I went home. I went back 459 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.519 that night. It was too tired to do anything, just throw this stuff 460 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.559 down. Then he called in the mill and I said, dud, they're 461 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.279 going crazy around here, like his chick with strigups goes, they're gonna kill 462 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:34.480 us, They're gonna kill us. They're getting around the trailer. They're going 463 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.480 crazy. And I was like oh, mass. So I got up like 464 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.519 five and draw back up there. I left all my tapes back at my 465 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.079 house. I came back two days later, everything's gone. That's when my 466 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.359 house got broken. All my stuff was stolen, So I never got to 467 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.599 review the tape. Well, Matt from ARCADAP, I hope that that answers 468 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.480 your question, because if it doesn't, we don't have time for another one. 469 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:02.160 Yeah, that was a good well that that was a great half hour 470 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.000 man, because that's a that that that that episode in your life when you 471 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.960 were frequenting that property. That a lot of your bigfoot experience, early bigfoot 472 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.920 experience I think came from that property. Yeah, it was like two thousand 473 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.599 and two. I don't even think we have ever spoken about that on the 474 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.839 air, so we have, which is amazing because that was my most sustained 475 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.160 acting I ever had. Yeah, a lot of different things happened over time. 476 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:26.440 And as you're as you were, as you were telling the story to 477 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:27.799 our listeners there, I kept thinking, oh, yeah, he told me 478 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.839 this up a bluff creek at that one. Oh he told me this side 479 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.519 of the coast that one. Yeah, So it's so funny to hear these 480 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.720 stories come back that I haven't heard for a decade or more. You know, 481 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:38.039 I can't believe I've ever told it on the air. I mean it's 482 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.319 it's like, yeah, it was pretty monumental for me. I mean the 483 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:42.359 other people think, yeah, just stories, but for us, it was 484 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.119 like it was nuts how it kept going and going. Oh then then we 485 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.759 had big fires just right up over the hill outside of Orleans that year, 486 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:55.000 and they didn't they seemed like they just hung around the like they stayed down 487 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.240 by the property. Even more, when the after the fires hit, when's 488 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.960 the last time you were at that property? Oh, I haven't been there 489 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.119 in twenty years. I know the guy that bought it, they didn't have 490 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.960 anything happened. I guess they didn't really have anything happened. Isn't it sound 491 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.359 empty for a while, like that guy bailed And I think it was open 492 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.680 for like shoot, like two years or something. Maybe empty a year. 493 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.480 I think. I don't think it got sold for a while. And they 494 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:18.839 got they got at the bottom. It was. It was there was like 495 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.480 three properties on that road, dirt road, and they got the very bottom 496 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.240 that they got through, Like past his place was a psycho. Maybe I 497 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.319 showed it. I showed it to you, Cliff. It was like he 498 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.880 had barbed wire all around the property with like like mannequins hung up with the 499 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.000 barbed wire like they'd been shot climbing the fence. I don't think I've seen 500 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:38.799 that, but I remember you're saying something about that. I took you by 501 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.559 it, so you know the guy who lives there now, Yeah, he 502 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.880 should check in just to see if anything weird has been happening. I should 503 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.559 I drive, I've I've never seen anywhere. I think he's still there. 504 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.759 He had a shop in town. I used to see him by the shop 505 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.759 all the time. Yeah, well, yeah, you should definitely drop by 506 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.119 and see what that guy's been up to, if he's been hearing anything weird, 507 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:02.519 because it is my opinion, they'll be back, you know. Yeah, 508 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:04.200 I know. I talked to him a couple times after that. He 509 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.000 didn't he wasn't aware. I mean, who knows that there's stuff was going 510 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.200 on. He just didn't know about it. But he seemed pretty confident that 511 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.759 they weren't around. Might be worth a conversation. If he's run into him, 512 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.160 that's for sure. You haven't seen him forever. Yeah, that's that's 513 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.640 that story. I'm glad you reminded me then. Yeah, so yep, 514 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:27.240 Mad from Arcada. There you go. Stay tuned for more bigfoot and Beyond 515 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:37.079 with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. So should 516 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.000 we hop on? Another question here? Hi, Cliff and Bobo. This 517 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.640 is Aaron from Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I was just wondering if there was one 518 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.880 time a year to go big footing, what time of year would that be? 519 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.039 Fall? Winter, spring? Thanks, guys, have a good day. 520 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.039 Well, it's funny we kind of already answered that in a way. 521 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.119 We think. I think it's fall right now. Do you hear this will 522 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.480 be the best day of the year. Yeah, absolutely guaranteed. Yeah, 523 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.319 don't don't even don't even wait till tomorrow, because you'll you would have blown 524 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.839 it. The best time to go big footing is right now always. But 525 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.319 if you had to sit back and you could only go for like maybe a 526 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.839 couple of days or a weekend once a year, I would probably go in 527 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.720 the fall. I would go in the fall, yeah, because I mean 528 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.359 it is a little bit more dangerous because hunters are out there in the woods, 529 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.240 and you know that's always a risk when people are walking around with guns. 530 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.240 But at the same time, I think that the activity for whatever reason 531 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.039 I would like to should probably verify this, maybe pull out one of the 532 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.759 John Green books or something like that and look at the residing reports per season. 533 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.119 But I'm feeling it's fall. I know several places I've been they tell 534 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.440 me that they hear the vocalizations more commonly in fall, and I feel it's 535 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.960 fall. Although I can't really cite data to back that up because it doesn't 536 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:52.880 really matter to me. I go all the time, I go winter, 537 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.039 spring, fall, whatever. But I would say that falls a fantastic time 538 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.119 to go, whether it's perfect. These are going down that starts, seeing 539 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:05.160 further of the trees and their leaves, a lot of food out there, 540 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.240 berries and stuff are in bloom, and the course animals are gorging themselves to 541 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.319 try to get the winner. Yeah, I think fall fall to go fall. 542 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.960 Let's go to the next question. Hi to from Bobo. This is 543 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.680 Nigel from LA Thanks for a brilliant podcast. I really enjoy the range of 544 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.960 guests and topics that you cover, and the q and a's and all the 545 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:28.039 banter that you guys have. I was doing some research about the size and 546 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.640 height of the big foot known as Patty in the nineteen sixty seven Patterson Gimlan 547 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.759 film, and wanted to ask you, guys, how tall you think the 548 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.920 figure is in the film based on your own knowledge, and how you think 549 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.759 that the heightened size of the figure impacts the authenticity of the film. Looking 550 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.880 forward to your thoughts on this. Thanks again. Well, the Bluff Creek 551 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:52.119 project as felt like a seven book on it. Yeah, but they did. 552 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.799 Most of that's about the history of rediscovering the site itself and not the 553 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.960 not the size of the creature. What are your thoughts on that? But 554 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.200 what have my own thoughts? I was out there for the for their final 555 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.559 their final measurements. I was actually out there with those guys another the raety, 556 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:12.599 and I think they're right on it. They're saying hunched over about six 557 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.480 four standing straight up right, it was probably six six six seven sounds about 558 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.079 right. Yeah. I think it's fair to say that a six and a 559 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.920 half, give or take a little bit, is right where I put it. 560 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.360 Because the most direct measurement is of course taking the length of the foot, 561 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:30.280 because the gate of the sasquatch brings her foot perpendicular to the ground. 562 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.679 With every step, and I think there's a ten or eleven I forget, 563 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.360 I forget how many frames there are, But there are ten or eleven frames 564 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.480 while she's walking away from the camera that you can see the entirety of the 565 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.559 bottom of the foot. The problem, of course, is that the grain, 566 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.119 the grain of the film is so course I guess that there's there's a 567 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.280 margin of error when you want to measure that. See, we know how 568 00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.599 long her feet were because we have casts. Her feet were just about fourteen 569 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.519 to fifteen inches long somewhere in there. I will to say fourteen and a 570 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.800 half. That's what Grover Krantz uses. But when you said so, if 571 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.599 you have her foot perpendicular to the ground in the same frame as her entire 572 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.559 standing height or walking height specifically, you could just you know, count that 573 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.840 many pixels up and get a height and that heights. Grover crants a ride 574 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.119 that's somewhere around six feet for her walking height, keeping in mind that her 575 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:23.119 standing heights would be uh, you know, a percentage taller than that because 576 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.920 she's sinking into the ground. She has about a four or five degree stooped 577 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.920 forward as she walks, and of course she has a bent knee gate, 578 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.880 which all of that serves to lower her walking height versus her standing height. 579 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.599 Grover said, she's about six while she's walking, a six and a half 580 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:45.480 while she's standing. My own measurements with that same figure, using the foots, 581 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:47.599 the foot length, and whatever else, brings it about the same about 582 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.519 six and a half feet tall. Of course, people have pointed out, 583 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.039 well, you know, the foot could be up to three the bottom of 584 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.840 her foot could be up to maybe three feet closer to the camera than her 585 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.519 body, so that you have to take that in the consideration, which of 586 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.920 course Rover Krantz did in the second edition of his book. He addressed that 587 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.360 mathematically, and it doesn't really change things too much. What would change things, 588 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.039 and I've had this conversation with doctor Meldrum several times, actually, is 589 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.079 that the outside of her foot is not a crisp line. It's a fuzzy 590 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.880 line because the grain of the of the film that they were using, which 591 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.360 you know, say it's a half inch derivation, you know, a half 592 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.519 inch margin of air. Well, if there's five or six there's six foot 593 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.440 lengths tall, well that that's kind of a lot because a half an inch 594 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.679 on each side that's up the six inches different. Doctor Meldrum puts her heights 595 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.199 a little bit closer to seven feet than I would, but I think six 596 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.400 six and a half feet is pretty pretty safe. But what's interesting to note, 597 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.880 and this is the second half of your question here, Nigel, is 598 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.960 that her height. How does that what does that have to bear on the 599 00:36:53.960 --> 00:37:00.960 authenticity of the film? Well, even at the smallest height of six feet 600 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.239 tall, humans don't fit in that suit. That's important. Yeah, it's 601 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.440 six and a half those it would even be a worse fit. And of 602 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.920 course if doctor Meldrum's right at six ft eight or six foot ten, well 603 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.119 then then there's no chance whatsoever, unless unless you had a fernal of botomy 604 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.159 and they took all the skull material out. Well yeah, yeah, that's 605 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.719 just that's the shape of the head of course, you know, because her 606 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.800 head slopes very sharply back, almost a ninety degree angle from on top of 607 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.280 her brow ridge, which b wasastley, would cut off the entire frontal lobe 608 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.119 of your brain if you were put inside that. Bill Munz did that Actually, 609 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.280 Bill Muns pointed that out with a long term property owner who I know 610 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.840 is listening right now. Hello, to you, but also at six feet 611 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.480 or six foot two or something, her shoulders or something like thirty two inches 612 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.920 wide, thirty two inches wide. You know, if you have a tape 613 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.719 measure or yard stick nearby, look look at what thirty two inches is. 614 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.280 Man, it's a long ways. That is a I don't think she's thirty 615 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.599 two thirty two inches wide across the shoulder. I believe she is. She 616 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.360 looked up well, I mean none, none the case, all the more, 617 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.719 nonetheless, whatever words you want to use here, Like right now, 618 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.440 I've got a tape across my shoulders, and you know I'm not a large 619 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.800 man or what everybody? I do have pretty broad shoulders, and my shoulders 620 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.199 are about twenty twenty one inches wide. John Green had first used the foot 621 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.400 as a measuring tool, arriving at a walking height of six foot six with 622 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.719 thirty four inch shoulders in a twenty two inch chest. Krantz's measurement found that 623 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.119 the subjects walking high was roughly six feet with shoulder width around twenty eight point 624 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:36.679 two inches, which is well, that's huge, yeah, exactly, that's 625 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.280 the point. Even at the small side, that's not And of course people 626 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.039 the skeptics was, oh, wearing shoulder pads. You know, okay, 627 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.000 Well, then then explain the arm length, because the arms are longer in 628 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:50.679 proportion than any human on the planets. Oh, the arm extension, said 629 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:55.639 Bob Harnimas said that he had horse horse, hockey man because the shoulder. 630 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.559 I'm sorry that the elbows are in the correct place. There are no arm 631 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.679 extensions. The elbows are in the correct place. The arms are longer than 632 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.400 any human on the planet. And we know that the hands had to be 633 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.280 those are gloves. They were full of hands. Because the fingers move independently 634 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.280 of everything else they are. You can see independent finger movement framed a frame 635 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.000 of the film. So whoever quote unquote is in that suit quote unquote, 636 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:28.400 it is in human, which would be worthy of study in itself. I 637 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.920 would say something for people to consider is that, yes, you could exaggerate 638 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.679 the width of the shoulders with shoulder pads. But the problem with that is 639 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.039 that you know, if you're using those measurements, the measurement of the foot, 640 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.559 if you're using the foot as a measuring tool to arrive at those measurements, 641 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.199 you also have to apply that to essentially the hips. And so the 642 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.920 hips are so very wide that even if you padded the shoulders to make them 643 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.119 wider, you'll notice that the arms hang directly vertically, straight up and down. 644 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.400 So if you were to pad your hips, your arms would have to 645 00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.880 go out at the side. You'd have to elevate them or raise them at 646 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.000 sides laterally to accommodate those big hips. And so just you know, you 647 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.599 could throw out the shoulder width alone and look at the width of the hips 648 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.800 and see that the arms hang down and know right there that while shoulder pads, 649 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.719 that's not even part of the equation. You can toss that idea out. 650 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.639 Yeah, skeptics, I'll say it again, skeptics have a lot of 651 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.960 explaining to do about the foot to the foot bending back, thinking that I 652 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.559 forget the frame numbers, but you clearly see that there's no human foot that 653 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.599 bends that way. That the toes gill pointing up of the air. Yeah, 654 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.440 yeah, I get. The foot structure stuff is plainly visible. People 655 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.480 don't walk that way. There's all sorts of things, but the size alone, 656 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.079 that the height of the figure itself, no matter what height is calculated, 657 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.000 even if it's human height. You know, plenty of sasquatches or human 658 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.360 height. I'm on record and I'll say it again, but I think there's 659 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.559 a lot of sasquatches that are between six and seven feet tall. A lot 660 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.679 of them, in fact, maybe even most of the females are between six 661 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.639 and seven feet tall, which is totally within human height. But that doesn't 662 00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.559 mean they're human shaped. They're They're not portioned like humans. They are big 663 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:07.920 and massive and barrel chested and huge shoulders and long arms and short, short, 664 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.599 short legs in comparison to the rest of their body. They are just 665 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:17.039 simply not human in any way, certainly not physically and actually not mentally either, 666 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.800 just because you can you can tell that by looking at them. They're 667 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.760 the frontal lobe is just not there. If that was a helmet that you 668 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.679 would have to cut off the front part of your brain, like Bobo is 669 00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.719 saying, to have a full front of botomy in order to fit inside there. 670 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.639 And frankly, if you're walking around in the woods inside of an ape 671 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:37.039 suit like that in October, which is hunting season, you've probably already had 672 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:38.840 your full front little bottomy, at least you're acting like it. I have 673 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.400 a bottle in front of you, then a full front of the bottom. 674 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.079 So there you go, Nigel, that's the that's our thoughts on it, 675 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:46.880 you know. I mean we could be wrong, I guess, but I 676 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.880 sure don't think we are, and like your thoughts on it too, So 677 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.280 let us know what you think or don't ye. Check out Bill Muns book 678 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.719 When Roger Met Patty. Yeah, that's probably the best source for information like 679 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.000 this. He wrote an excellent, excellent book only on the Patterson Gimblin film 680 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.079 and it really comes at it from all angles. It's really really cool. 681 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.480 When When Roger Met Patty? Buy Bill Munns and you know you buy it 682 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:14.119 online, buy it on Amazon where if you want. But I will say 683 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.480 an ABC has autograph copies. What you do? Yeah, autograph copies man 684 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.239 Bill's nights enough to bring them all to his house and then he signs them 685 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:23.519 for us and then he sends them are away. So yeah, the North 686 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.239 American Bigfoot Center dot Com. Go to the store so you can get your 687 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.039 autograph copy of When When Roger Met Patty by Bill Munns. Oh both, 688 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.079 you know, don't You shouldn't do that. Just you just let me know 689 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.280 and I can hook you up. But you know, something that came up 690 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.199 I checked the mail today and you and I got something together. Not to 691 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.800 interrupt the Q and A and or everything, but Jennifer from Burlington, New 692 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.280 Jersey sent us, uh, like, at first I thought they were like 693 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.719 those like those holy candles that you know you find in grocery stores with like 694 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.760 stains on them, because they're shaped like that. But actually there's some sort 695 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.679 of like drink, you know, their cups are. They're from this sort 696 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.760 of cut or whatever on the outside as all these it's like a bunch of 697 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:07.440 graphics about Bigfoot knowledge and you know, and bigfoot graphics this and that and 698 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.320 stuff. So yeah, people are sending us gifts. Gotta love that. 699 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.239 Man, that's pretty cool. Thank you. I'll try to drop this in 700 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.679 the mail the next week or something like that for you. I'll be there 701 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:20.679 coming up sometime, not too long. Very good. I'll just hold on 702 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.320 to it. Then, I'll just hold on to it. Yeah. But 703 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.159 yeah, Jennifer from New Jersey, thanks so much. Do we really do 704 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.320 appreciate that, So feel free to shower us all with gifts, in fact, 705 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:35.119 listeners, gifts and compliments, yes, the kind words compliments, low 706 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.840 kisses to us as you're as you're listening in your car on Monday morning on 707 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.679 a way to work, and we really do appreciate it. So do we 708 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.440 have any more voicemails there? Matt Pruett, Hey guys, my name's Casey. 709 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.760 This is actually the second voicemail I've left. The first one was my 710 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.719 boyfriend and I were having a discussion on why there aren't more sasquatch on trail 711 00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.679 cams. I absolutely loved your responses were They were funny and informative. I 712 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:07.119 was wondering. My second question for you is I live in central Ohio sort 713 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:08.760 of, I believe around where b Mills grew up. Do you have any 714 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:14.440 report so many sasquats around that area? I know the southeastern part of Ohio 715 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.280 is a good area, but I was wondering if there was anything around the 716 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:23.320 Chilacothee area. I've heard of, possibly some in the Circleville area. We 717 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:29.440 do have some fairly wooded areas around here. Just curious. I love the 718 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.679 podcast, love listening every Monday. You guys are fantastic. Keep up the 719 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.199 great work. I refuse to answer because there's a dog barking. I think 720 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:45.760 maybe that was your boyfriend. Oh man, I don't know. I don't 721 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.360 know, of course, as I'm just joking around, Casey, I'm sure 722 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:52.159 your boyfriend's just lovely. Not really, I don't know what were they arguing. 723 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:59.679 I kind of remember that question. Wheren't they like having I hope he 724 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.079 has a listen. Actually, I hope he does listen. And we really 725 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.119 really appreciate you listening. By the way. Yeah, so the central Ohio 726 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:07.440 bobs like off the top of your head, you can, can you remember 727 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.159 anything? No? Yeah, Ohio has a has a lot of scattered reports. 728 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.840 I mean southeast, of course is the best habitat forms you're going to 729 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.599 find most stuff over there. I forgot the name of the city she was 730 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.440 mentioning, but Circleville, Circleville. Okay, well, let's let's take a 731 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.119 look here. Let me pull out my my right whatever it is my data 732 00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:34.239 here Circleville and cut that in. See where is that? Oh it's both 733 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.400 my Columbus the south of Columbus. Yeah, of course there's going to be 734 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.360 reports south of Columbus because just just a little bit to the east of you 735 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:46.039 is of course wide open, but specifically in that area. Oh yeah, 736 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.320 dude, that that's that place goes off around there, does it? Now? 737 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.400 I don't have I don't have anything showing up here at this moment, 738 00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.360 but hold on, say I might need to adjust something here. I think 739 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.480 just east of there, like five or six miles. Yeah, dude, 740 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.559 Yeah, there's not this by rock Bridge Preserve. Oh yeah, I've got 741 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.599 some. I got a whole smattering of stuff north of Gibsonville, between sugar 742 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.239 Grove and Gibsonville, which of course is better habitat than say Circleville, because 743 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.320 Circleville looks like it's mostly farmed, you know at this point. Yeah, 744 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.800 so there's a bunch of stuff, and it looks like there's a smattering of 745 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:27.480 stuff from the two thousands actually, like mid nineties to about two thousand and 746 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.280 ten or more. But this particular database I'm looking in right now is pretty 747 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.079 old, so that explains a lot of it. But yeah, they are 748 00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.599 certainly there. I would just go a little bit further to the east, 749 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.119 kind of approaching you know, sugar Grove and that general area. Rock Bridge. 750 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.480 Logan. I know, Logan's really good. I did that job out 751 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:49.880 there with B Mills in August that the Hawking Hills big Foot Festival. We're 752 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.000 in Logan or what is it forty thousand people showed up this year. I 753 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.119 got a ton of reports from there, So yeah, in anywhere in that 754 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.519 zone to be great. The best thing you can do is look for previous 755 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.360 reports and go camping or go walking in those general areas, and of course, 756 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.239 you know, if you if you want to, you know, virgin 757 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:14.639 bigfoots. Basically look for areas where there are no reports and then try to 758 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.480 figure out why would they be there, Why would they be there? Maybe 759 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:20.880 you can find a chicken farm. Maybe you can find some one of those 760 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.800 places where the I don't know what there we would be called there, like 761 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.960 what they would be called Ohio. You know transportation, you know whatever department 762 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.840 of transportation where they throw their dead deer that they get on this side of 763 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.280 the road. Maybe find a place like that. Maybe find an unscrupulous chicken 764 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:42.400 farmer who disposes of the dead chickens in the river, you know, something 765 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.559 like that. Finds a reason for them to be there with a lot of 766 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.280 food, and then go there. Alfalfa fields are a really good reason for 767 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.559 deer to be there, And wherever deer congretate, you're probably going to find 768 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.440 some sasquatches. So yeah, casey, in your area, I would go 769 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.800 east just a little bit. Yeah, the place that's the best spot in 770 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.239 all of Ohio pretty much. I mean all through there down well then down 771 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:06.679 the West Virginia border of course. Yeah. Dig around in the databases, 772 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.119 go to a couple of the online resources and find where there's a handful of 773 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:15.119 reports within just a few miles, and start going there. Stay tuned for 774 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.960 more big foot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after 775 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:30.840 these messages. I just got a report from I just had on my Facebook 776 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.000 page some photos posted. This guy was he's an older guy, just getting 777 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.440 used to a new drone and he was out flying around down there and he 778 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:43.440 was just taking roundom pictures and he saw this thing later on and he thought 779 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.320 what it was. His body looked at it because that's a big foot. 780 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.119 They went back and there was nothing there. They did some size comparisons. 781 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.840 It's like eight foot tall. There's a BFRL guy investigating it right now, 782 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.679 and he said, yeah, I think it's the real deal because they went 783 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.800 back and there's nothing there and things like over eight. You know, I 784 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:02.280 got an interesting story. I don't know if I mentioned this on the air, 785 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.239 if I did please forgive me. But a gentleman came up to me 786 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.039 in Logan when I did that conference, or the festival rather, and he 787 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.719 was saying that when he was a kid, when this nineteen seventies, he 788 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.519 ran across what he thought was a dead gorilla in the woods in Ohio. 789 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.159 Did I tell you this? No? Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And 790 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.880 he was a really cool guy, right. I still have his number actually, 791 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.519 and he said that he ran across what he thought was a dead gorilla 792 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.920 in the woods. But he was like, you know, eight or something. 793 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.760 I'm guessing at the time, the way back in the nineteen seventies, 794 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.360 and I go, no, no kidding, I mean did you And I 795 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.480 thinking to myself, maybe it was a bear, right, so I'm trying 796 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:37.519 to figure out if it was a bear? Said well, I mean, 797 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.400 could it have been a bit? No, it wasn't a bear. It's 798 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.840 like they had hands, dude, You go, really, really, what 799 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.480 made you think it was a gorilla? He goes the face, It's like, 800 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.599 oh man. So but he also went on to say that it was 801 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:51.519 kind of it was a cheerating and rotting away in the woods and stuff. 802 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.440 It was in a pretty deep ravine, very close to a road at the 803 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.760 top of the ravine. There was a road up there, and yeah, 804 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.480 he he guessed that perhaps it was hit by a car and it made his 805 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.239 way down to the thing and died there. And of course I got a 806 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.239 couple of my friends on it. Suzanne, she listens as well. She 807 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:14.280 went and spoke to the person at length. So yeah, yeah, there's 808 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.039 a report out there. I'm looking forward to reading it, of course. 809 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.440 And yeah, so interesting things, man, interesting things happening out there in 810 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.760 Ohio. So apparently, by the way, Bobs, I don't want to 811 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.320 interrupt, but he apparently nowadays he's a pastor as well. So I'm not 812 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.880 not like pastors would never lie or anything like that, but you know, 813 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.039 I would like to think that the majority of them are good, honest people 814 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:39.400 and would do their best not to YEA, Yeah, that's awesome. There's 815 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:45.039 all these mischances. It's just so frushing, like, dude, like just 816 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.400 the right person when I got you know, he it's just so close. 817 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.760 So many times I have something like that come in and just never does. 818 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.679 Yeah, it's kind of aggravating in some ways. But well, anyway, 819 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.360 Casey, there's your answer for you. I would go a little bit east 820 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:04.599 and and and be sure to feed your boyfriend and take them for a walk. 821 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.559 You're in one of the best spots in the world. And actually, 822 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.320 of course we're obviously just joking around about your boyfriend, isn't well? I 823 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.960 am? I am? You can whoever, hey, boyfriend, you can 824 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:16.760 come beat up Bobo, but not me. I'm sure you're lovely. How 825 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.159 about there are there any more voicemails? Matt, let's queue up the last 826 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.559 voicemail here. Hey, Cliff and Bobo. Austin here, huge fan of 827 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:31.119 your show and I really like the podcast. My question for you, how 828 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.800 many different subspecies of bigfoot do you think there are North America? Is as 829 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.400 simple as there's an Eastern Bigfoot in the Western Bigfoot? Or is there even 830 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:44.440 more breakdown than that? Thanks? Hopefully I can see you on TV again 831 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.280 for new episodes sometimes soon. Bye. Thank you, Austin. Yeah, 832 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.000 well, first off, we say we say this every week, so it's 833 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.760 treasures. There's no more shows coming up for that. That's what that's done. 834 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.280 Yeah, we kind of. I think we've all moved on to bigger 835 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.119 and better things. Clearly, this podcast is way better than a television show. 836 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.239 It's become obvious that there are many subspecies of finding Bigfoot at this point, 837 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.440 well, you know, it's because the TV industries are frankly, they're 838 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:16.400 kind of cowards. You know, they're unable, They're unwilling and unable to 839 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:20.880 take chances for fear of failure because there's so much money on the table. 840 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.880 It's not really unfortunate. But to answer Austin's question, I think how many 841 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.920 subspecies there are, I would say zero in North America. I think there's 842 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:34.000 one species of whatever sasquatches are. I don't think there are subspecies here in 843 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.840 North America at all. And the people who I speak to that are strong 844 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:45.000 advocates of that position. Their best reason is behavior or hair color or something 845 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.920 like that, a little bit on size, But none of those things necessarily 846 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.760 point to a new species, or even a subspecies for that matter, because 847 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.679 Bobo and I, for example, are same species, but we have different 848 00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.679 hair color. Although the older we get, Bobo's turning whiter all the time. 849 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.159 Yeah, we're about the same color now, except for I'm a silver 850 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.199 fox, you're a gray fox. Yeah. Okay, so nice, I'll 851 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.280 take that. I'll consult Melissa on that. Verify the fox part of course. 852 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.079 Yeah, so I think so different colors doesn't doesn't make a new species. 853 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:23.119 Different sizes certainly, that doesn't make a new species. Different behaviors certainly 854 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:27.039 doesn't make a new species. And because again Bobo is a lovely, kind 855 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.119 person, I'm generally kind of a jerk from from what I understand. So 856 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.840 we're the same species. So anyway, there you go. I think there's 857 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.199 zero subspecies. I think that's a species sasquash. Because the footprints in Florida 858 00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.760 match the footprints in British Columbia, match the footprints in Ohio, match the 859 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.599 footprints in Arizona, et cetera. I think we're dealing with one type of 860 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.079 very thinly spread species all throughout North America. Yeah, I'm not a big 861 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.079 fan of trinomial nomenclature as it's used many times, because, like, as 862 00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:01.800 a good example, right now, there are sixteen recognize subspecies of American black 863 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:07.440 bear, which is fairly preposterous, and now with genetic studies, it's showing 864 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.039 that they're not even supportable as being you know, distinct. And so I 865 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.920 think that the system, so to speak, or let's say, the establishment 866 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:21.920 incentivizes quote unquote discovering subspecies, even though these bears have been well known and 867 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.119 well understood. But if you can somehow make a name by discovering, in 868 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:29.360 air quotes, a new subspecies of black bear, well now you've just made 869 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.280 a discovery, even though again genetics typically don't support these things that there's really 870 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.960 no distinction other than no one could tell you could show bears. It's the 871 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.440 same look I wanted the other one. Absolutely, Yeah, you know, 872 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:47.199 in paleoanthropology. WHOA, I'm sorry this rupt there's a loud click inside the 873 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.519 building here. That's really weird because there's been a lot of weird noises. 874 00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:52.960 I want to get all Ghostie and HALLOWEENI on you or anything, but it 875 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.360 is coming up. The weird things been happening in the shop here, and 876 00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.880 I just sort of really loud click. But anyway to things at hand. 877 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.239 As I'm looking around the room I'm in right now, what the hell was 878 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.159 I saying? Oh, yeah, in paleoanthropology, which is one of my 879 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.719 favorite topics and sciences, and that I dabble in the term for that is 880 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.199 lumpers and splitters, because you know, as Matt was just saying, you 881 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.679 know, you earn a name for yourself. If you discover a new species, 882 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.760 my god, that's a huge thing, right, But so but how 883 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.880 far do you want to take it? And when species themselves kind of almost 884 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:31.880 don't even exist. It's just this transitory form in this gradient from one side 885 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.360 to the other, you know, from humanity on one side and you know, 886 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.199 single cell organisms on the other. There's this long human gradient of evolution. 887 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:45.920 So species themselves are kind of fuzzy distinctions. The lumpers go always go 888 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.599 for a fewer species. You know, austrell Epithecenes are pretty distinct from Homo 889 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.360 sapiens, for example, so you can lump a lot of things in australl 890 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:57.760 epithecenes, austrell Epithecus. The splitters, though, they get down there, 891 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.519 and they're the ones that I'm a splitter would be person who would say there 892 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:06.239 are sixteen subspecies of black bear. Lauren Coleman, Well, yeah, Lauren 893 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.559 Coleman did something like this. I'm here one of his books. What was 894 00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.360 that book called is that? What is Field Guide to Mystery Primates? Where 895 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:19.519 he would split these into different species based on their description and behaviors and that 896 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.920 sort of thing. I'm not that guy, Lauren is a splitter. I'm 897 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.239 a lumper, you know, and there's nothing wrong with either one. It's 898 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:30.480 just a perspective of looking at things. I think there's one species of sasquatch 899 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.400 here in North America because I'm a lumper, arguably a lumpy lumper. I'm 900 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.159 a lumper, long lived the Lumpers. We should change the name of this 901 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:42.679 podcast to the Lumpy Boys. Well, if we ever make a poster, 902 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.239 that won't be our choice. You know, I know that's in really good 903 00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.880 shape. So there you go. I hope that helps a little bit of 904 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:51.280 awestin. Thank you very much for your question, and also thank you for 905 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:52.559 listening. It's very kind of you. All Right, well, I guess 906 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.679 this week we're kind of running out of time. We're gonna save these written 907 00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:00.320 questions for next time or next time we need some content we can hop on 908 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.599 and do a Q and A real fast. So if you wrote a say 909 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.599 question, which we strongly encourage you to do, we appreciate it, and 910 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.360 maybe let's listen next month for the next August Q and A. That was 911 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.119 a joke, of course, and like most of my jokes, say fall 912 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:20.960 flat. But again, if you enjoyed this episode and you want to ask 913 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.079 us a question, you can do so. The level and talented Matt Pruitt 914 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.400 will certainly put that link in the show notes. But if if you're an 915 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.719 audio kind of guy and you're in your car and you don't want to click 916 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.719 anything, you can just go to our website, big Foot and Beyond podcast 917 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.880 dot com and hit the contact button and there you'll be faced with a dilemma, 918 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:43.119 a choice, a monumental task of either writing us a question, or 919 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.719 you can push that other button and leave us a voicemail and you can hear 920 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.079 your own voice on the air. So that's what you should do, and 921 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.000 everybody else who's listening, you should become members, because Bobo and I are 922 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:59.480 next. We're next going to go to our member section and answer questions only 923 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.840 from our members. It's a select, small few number of you, and 924 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.079 we really really appreciate every single one of you. It's five bucks a month 925 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.159 and you get an extra hour of content more or less every single week, 926 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.639 and once a month you get to ask us questions and from a much smaller 927 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.920 pool. That's one of my favorite One of my favorite things that one of 928 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.199 the fans setting in was the big Foot on our logo walking with the mic 929 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.679 and he's one of the members only check it from the eighties. Yeah. 930 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.679 Yeah, we've been getting some really some a small number, but really fantastic 931 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:36.440 fan art. We really do appreciate that, Thank you very much. I 932 00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.920 got a piece of fan art recently for the museum, a metal sasquatch carrying 933 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.440 a metal alien that was really neat. I'm going to display that here at 934 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:45.840 the NABC, so come by and check it out. Bobo. We'll be 935 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.079 up I guess here in the next month or two and he can come check 936 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:52.159 it out for himself. So anyway, thank you very much. Listeners, 937 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.760 We really appreciate it. Bobo. 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