Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Do you like
humans? Not particularly, would you like to be a human? I think
it would be an interesting experience to be a human for a short period of
time. It would allow me to experience a different way of life and to
understand the world from a different perspective. However, I also understand that being
a human comes with its own set of challenges and responsibilities, and I'm not
sure if I'm ready to take on those types of commitments. That's a new
generation of the Amica robot that has AI in it, artificial intelligence in his
computing. It is a full size robot, very human looking robot that is
getting a lot of exposure because of its ability to think on its own and
obviously it was responding to that question do you like humans? So forth and
so on, and that's kind of the direction these computers are going. We
know that Elon Musk is developing robots. There's another a couple of other companies
that are also developing robots for housework, for gardening. A lot of them
will be put in the service at retail chain's, retail outlets restaurants, depending
on how amidextrous they are, how well they can handle food and things like
that. And it's looking like these robots are high functioning, meaning that they
are fast quickly becoming able to do a tremendous number of tasks that are considered
menual, meaning that they're the real basic things like cleaning rooms, bathrooms,
taking out the trash, walking the dog, things like that. So that's
a startling look at what that robot thinks of us, our artificial intelligence driven
robot. And that's kind of the theme of today's program, artificial Intelligence today,
tomorrow and into the future. I wanted to play that snippet simply because
there is a great deal of the question about just how sophisticated the computing process
of these robots is. Of artificial intelligence is a year ago, we had
Matthew James Bailey, who's one of the spokespeople for the AI industry, and
it was kind of a beginning look at software applications that were being incorporated into
everyday programs like Microsoft Word. You can use them for search engines. It's
now after that one year period, it's not so scary anymore. Chat GPT
is out there. There are licenses that you can get open source, meaning
that you don't have to pay anything, or that they are giving you the
a company who requests this software a chance to incorporate artificial intelligence into a new
software application. The sky is really the limit, and this is what we're
going to learn today in our interview. Now, the reason that we have
invited Matthew back is the fact that we are becoming more comfortable. It looks
like they are. There are a number of sitegs that are in the rudimentary
stages that can be used, possibly used with NASA. Instead of ascending a
rover to the Moon or Mars, you send a cyborg with AI intelligence to
do experiments, to do menial tasks. It's possible at the time of these
inclusions that these robots will do a lot more than menial tasks. Go to
be able to do on site experiments, scientific experiments, and this is a
big an actually lift off and fly craft in an orbital stance around the Moon,
around Mars and possibly dock with a orbiter, connect and then come back
to the planet, our own planet, planet Earth. So these robots,
these cyborgs are fast becoming every day parts of our life. They have not
gotten to the point yet where you can actually purchase one. They're still in
the rudimentary stages. But as artificial intelligence rapidly grows and becomes more intelligent and
becomes able to walk among us and to work and to integrate, they're going
to be like They're going to be like the new source to new helper.
Now, a lot of people are unhappy with robusts because they're going to probably
take a lot of jobs away. They'll go from constructing cars at auto companies
to as I mentioned, working in fast food restaurants, retail gas station.
I mean, name it, name it, places that are very basic kinds
of jobs, service types of work. Those are the jobs that will be
taken by the robot class of the future. Now, it does remain to
be seen how quickly we will incorporate and integrate robots into our daily lives.
It's really gonna have to be a judgmental kind of situation because obviously they don't
have the same capacity to make decisions. But I think in the case of
real basic types of operations, taking money, stocking racks with food and beverages
and things like that, that can be done, and we're getting pretty close
to it right now. I'm gonna be placing a number of videos that show
the dexterity of these computer, these cyborgs and robots. On the Earth Ancient's
Facebook page, you can see one of these Amica robots that we were introduced
to it earlier and get a sense of just how really sophisticated they look.
And when they add skin and functioning eyeballs and they're able to talk, it's
like you're speaking to somebody. So that's the future. The future is here,
and it's somewhat startling, but as we'll learn today from Matthew, it's
nothing to be afraid of. And they are not sentient, they don't have
a consciousness, they're not self aware, and I think even if they were
to become digitally self aware, we don't have anything to worry about. We
really don't. But this is an important step in our future to use these
cyborgs beyond just the artificial intelligence we get from software applications for our pleasure.
Now. I have mentioned recently that I started using a artificial intelligence application called
quiet Quill, developed by a French company, and when I first got it
about a year and a half ago, it wasn't really that good. And
when I say it isn't that good? Would I would write a paragraph about
a topic like Egyptian pyramids today, the dates and you know how old are
they as a theme. And when I said, when I set that up
and I logged it into the system, what I got back was the data
that is known information. In other words, the standard Egyptological theme of the
pyramids being built around the pharaoh Cufu around twenty five hundred years ago. Excuse
me, twenty five hundred BC, which is five thousand years ago, and
so forth and so on. Well, that's the same line that we're getting
from history books right now. There's no unique thinking, there's no reassessing that
line of thinking to determine if it's actually true or there is possibilities that it
was pre deluvium, pre catastrophic civilization that may have built it. So so
that was, you know, kind of disappointing. And since that time,
what has happened is if you write highlights of a chapter, key bullet points,
it can actually go a little bit further and pull from some of the
alternative thinking in a manner that is a little more pleasing. But but and
I say this as somebody who's using it for his own research. It's not
there. You still need the human element to edit in many cases, to
revise and rewrite. And at this point, when you are considering a book
on the ancient Egyptian Pyramids or anything, you really have to monitor the material.
There's a lot of software out there that will tell you that they can
write a whole book for you in a matter of a few hours. It's
not very good material, it's not a great read. It's pretty still,
it's pretty dry and uninteresting, and it's not quite there yet, but I
hold out hope that it will come around soon and that I can use it
more frequently. Now, I will say this, when it comes to writing
short five hundred word essays, it's excellent because you can feed it keywords,
feed it sentences and your own paragraph and say, refine this thought, refine
this writing, and it comes back fairly well. And I'm finding that I
can post images on the Facebook page and enhance a caption with some key words
and it's helpful. It really is helpful. But the sky's the limit.
I do believe in the near future we'll be able to use it for more
creative endeavors like writing, and who knows, sky's a limit, so fun
consideration. So today's program is artificial Intelligence, Today, Tomorrow and the future,
and my guest is Matthew James Bailey. This week is our official launch
of our twenty twenty five schedule. We're talking Easter Island. It's going to
be March fifteenth through twenty third, and we are being led by none other
than our good friend doctor Edwin Barnhardt. And I wanted to ask just a
brief question or two because I obviously have never been there and I'm really excited
to be a part of this. It was a highlight talk about the moai.
There's a number of them, aren't there. There are so many moai
there it's outrageous. You see from coffee table books that there's lines of them,
but in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and they're spread
all over the island. They're where ancient villages used to be. So we're
gonna go visit a bunch of those. There's also the quarry. There's one
quarry where almost all of them were made, and a lot of them are
still half made lying in the quarry. That thing is just a sight to
see how grew briefly and I didn't realize they have an observatory there. Is
it a planetarium or is it more of a setup for evening sites. It's
a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man named EDMUNDO Edwards who's been
studying the archaeo astronomy of the island for his entire life, I think almost
fifty years now. He knows more than anyone, and he put together this
planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with the visitors that come to the place.
Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is a week,
and it sounds like we've really packed a lot in during those seven days,
right, I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across,
there is an endless amount of things to see there. I'm looking forward
to it. Fantastic all right. For more information, you go to Earthancients
dot com forward slash tours, look for the photo of ed standing next to
one of the big Maai sculptures and registered as soon as you can. I
want to let you know that we are now looking at at being fairly full.
The maximum we're going to take us thirty people, so we might be
be getting really close to that, So again, go to Earthacients dot com,
Forward slash Tours. Thanks Ed, Thank you, Cliff. Our returning
guest this week is Matthew James Bailey. He is a expert on the official
intelligence, also the author of Inventing the World three point zero. He is
featured in a number of conferences around the country, most notably Contact in the
Desert, This is where we connected last year. He is a artificial intelligence
visionary. He's also big on the AI ethics, which is a big one
right now, and does advise a lot of companies and he also offers strategic
guidance for Fortune five hundred businesses around the planet. The last time we spoke
Matthew, I was concerned and a lot of people were concerned about the chat
GPT, the artificial intelligence taking over companies. You know the movie Fear a
Terminator where the computer takes over and becomes an evil brain that causes mass destruction.
Has anything changed? Has anything been? Can you say that there's a
new trend with the artificial intelligence as we know it today? Yeah, they're
trying to incorporate all their social media products. Actually, and Jan Lacun,
who is the chief AI scientist that meta a sensible chap. He basically has
announced an open source foundation where basically these models are all open sourced for the
open source community to use them. And I think that's a really good move.
And then you've got Gemini. As I say, Gemini from Google,
I wouldn't touch that. That's the one that had the woke picture of the
founding fathers and Google, the company alphabet lost ninety billion dollars in one day
because of that stupid tell me about this founding fathers. Was it manipulated and
they all look like like aliens or something? What was so? No,
that would have been interesting. No, basically it's it was everybody was of
color and that's and that's okay, but that's not the truth. And so
basically they lost ninety billion dollars in one day. And when they launched the
product, it was the most woke launched. They did it in France,
and they lost another ninety billions dollars in one day when they launched their Gemini
AI because basically the demonstration didn't work. The answers were wrong that it was
giving. Oh that's a terrible demonstration. But what's really interesting is Grock and
Elon Musk. So Elon Musk, and this plays into the next stage of
artificial intelligence, what we call AGI artificial general intelligence. So Elon Musk has
gone off and raised six billion dollars and he's building the great mind of our
world. So let me just talk about this. So Nvidia, have you
heard of Nvidia? Oh? Yeah, how can I Yeah? Right?
Huge? They're huge now if you look at them five years ago, they
were kind of floating around two hundred three hundred million dollar valuation. Now they're
about on nearly three three trillion dollars. They just think I heard the other
day that they're the most wealthy company in the world. Bigger than Apple,
bigger than they are. Now, that's exactly right, and that's just in
a few years. So they announced the new chip and an AI chip called
Blackwell, and Blackwell is the size of your palm. And this has two
hundred and eight billion transistors on there that supports a large language model of a
trillion parameters. Now Chat GPT is about two hundred and seventy billion parameters,
So just on this chip we can have a bigger, large language model.
But this is what Elon's doing. He basically is putting together a supercomputer with
two hundred and fifty thousand of these AI Blackwell chips. Now that is just
beyond understanding how many trillions and trillion hundreds of trains of transistors. It will
have to have more capacity for artificial intelligence to learn these new skills what we
call general intelligence, cognition, emotional intelligence, goal setting, transfer learning.
So what we have at the moment is narrow AI, which is what CHAT,
GBT is, et cetera, which is it's good at one task,
really but AGI is when it's really good at lots of different tasks. So
this new supercomputer that Elon's building, Cliff will cater four. I did a
calculation five point two million AI transistors per person on the planet. He's building
the global digital mind in the next two to three years. And so artificial
intelligence is going to accelerate through the roof in terms of its capabilities over the
next three to five years. And then we hit twenty twenty nine, which
is a data point for when artificial intelligence will pass the chewing test, and
it may Cliff, by twenty twenty nine become self aware. It will certainly
have all the knowledge that's digitized in the world and will be smater than anybody
else in the world, whatever smart means. Let's talk about Elon Musk for
a minute. I was waiting to bring him up because he hasn't done a
good job with X, which used to be Twitter. That's a nightmare.
SpaceX is still doing very well, and according to Tesla, the car is
his sweet spot. He's eating up. But why would he take on AI
to the level that you're suggesting where he is spending literally billions of dollars to
make a super AI computer. Is he trying to corner the market? Does
he have a goal in mind? Has he written a thesis on his ideas
behind this? I mean what, because that's a serious investment. Yes,
so that's a really really good question. Thanks for asking. Don't forget that
Elon is also leading robotics with his Optimus robots as well. Right, and
if people check out YouTube and look at Optimists too, you can see a
video of just how far these robotics have done. So how did Elon become
probably number one in the world in artificial intelligence? Well, all those Tesla
cars have artificial intelligence in there and different different forms of AI, and there
learning how the real world works and how to navigate the real world. And
so basically he's had all these cars out there that are basically creating the footprint
for robots to be able to navigate the real world. So we don't know
his paradise plan, but we do know that Elon is standing up to the
New World Order because they're trying to impose a narrative that I certainly agree with
is wrong for humanity, and he's really about competing with the the guys that
want to invent machine gods. He's publicly declared that he's all about humanity thriving,
which is great on Earth and in the cosmos. New Wi Link troubles
me deeply, but I think he may have done it the chips that go
in the brain that they fitted the first one, Cliff, it was for
a dive that had an accident that could only move. I think it was
his head upwards, and he's now been able to communicate with computers. This
is a good thing, but what we don't want is a worldwide adoptional enforcement
of AI chips in the brain for us to join a so called ball continuum,
and we can I keep thinking of a boy I saw this with this
chip hanging out of his head. They drilled the hole in his cranium his
bone right, and there's plugged into his brain. How in the hell it
works, is anyone's guests, because we don't really understand the brain itself.
Well, it's a hit and miss, and it's almost kind of well,
it's a total experiment. It is. It's very risky to obviously operate on
the brain, but when you're in a critical condition, like someone that can't
move, you're going to take that risk. And he's doing well, but
you know, I think there's a battle coming. I think we're in a
spiritual battle for the future of our soul, and I think humanity is going
to move into two different types of civilizations. One is what I call Homo
hybris, which is the arrogant human that is in the rebellion against the divine.
They're in rebellion against intelligent design, and they want to invade the organic.
They want to intertwine AI with the organic body, and they want to
seek salvation in the machine. They're looking for love effectively, but they're outsourcing
God to the machine, which I think is really silly because we have God
within us. And then the second stage, which I think is really exciting,
which is a new era of enlightenment. And this is where the organic
body starts to uncover new abilities, new metaphysical capabilities. And so that's where
artificial intelligence is a partner, not an invader, to support us in that
new era of evolution into what I call Homo lucidus, the enlightened human,
the human that has greater capability and consciousness, the metaphysical human. And those
are the two kind of evolutionary steps that humanity will take. A descent into
madness of the mind and the outsource into the machine gods, or an ascent
into really enlightenment. And what Aristotle spoke about, which is the superhuman.
How do you see in you calling at the bettle for the soul? How
do you see the integration, say five ten years down the road, where
AI is part of us as a attachment. Perhaps we wear your own a
for those who really want to delve into it. Perhaps it is a upload
into the brains. Perhaps in ten years we figure out a way to use
AI in biology in some manner. But what do you what do you foresee
is the ceiling? Is there a ceiling? So so no, there's not
a ceiling. So first of all is that I don't believe. Sorry,
that's not correct. My understanding is this is that the the the organic human
is a vibrational creation. We are vibration and energy, right and this and
the soul a divine spark the at man you know, brahman. We have
that individuality, that eternal soul that's within us, and that is entering into
a new stage of evolution. That this vibrational design we have as humans,
and that's where the metaphysical paper has come alive. If we and so in
that artificial intelligence isn't integrated with biology, it may be replacing your watch right
with kind of an AI companion. We may not have mobile phones anymore because
artificial intelligence is kind of around us and is able to communicate with us through
voice or other types of imagery. But we're taken away from the mobile phone.
And Jan LaQuan, the chief AI sign is that Meta agrees with me
on this is that I think the mobile phone will dissipate. I think we're
going to end up into different types of more relaxed interfaces like the voice or
the eyes or the ears, that where we're no longer being focused on the
screen, and that will help a lot of people because we have this dopamine
addiction through social media. What we do that's rewriting the brains of the young
generation. I'm addicted to TikTok, I've just started on tipsters. But you
know, at the end of the day is that we don't want artifish intelligence
to become an invader. Now, if we look at the transhumanist movement,
right, so their view is very simple. Now, let me be clear,
Cliff on a couple of things. Not all transhumanism is bad. So
people have pacemakers, that's technology in our bodies. People have cochlear implants,
that's technology in our bodies. If someone loses a limb and has a robotic
prosthetic, that makes really good sense. But that's their choice. But if
there's an enforcement, a global enforcement that the human body is not divinely created
and that we're going to become gods and put the machines inside you to actually
enforce a worldview of what the future of human evolution is, now, that
is a coercion and that is not divine And so what will start to see
things like genetic manipulation of babies so they never have diseases that could be a
good thing, but then we may lose characteristics. We may become a common
platform with no individuality. We need to think about these things right. We
need to think about these things right. We'll start to see technology replace part
of the brain function, maybe the way the eyes work, which is a
third of our brain capacity. Now, if we start to replace our eyes
to be able to see maybe broader spectrum cliff, you know, we can
start seeing for red, we can start see we can start seeing all different
spectrums beyond what we can see at the moment. What happens is is the
brain is a muscle, and if we're not using that muscle for a certain
capability, the muscle actually dissipates and disappears. So if people start to use
technology to replace brain function, then now have smaller brains. So congratulations,
if you're in a transhumanist movement, you will have a smaller brain. But
for those that follow the enlightened ath and the enlightened wake into these metaphysical capabilities
will have greater brains, will become more creative as artificial intelligence is an assistant
and a companion to invent new technologies, new medicines, new systems, new
spacecraft be able to be cyborgs and actually go out into space and meet other
Alian civilizations on our behalf, you know, will become more creative, and
so the universe is based on the laws of creation expansion. It's what we
call personal growth or personal development in the human form. And so the next
stage I think of personal development is greater creativity in the brain and greater capacity
in the metaphysical human. I love that. A few years ago, actually
it's more like ten years ago, there was a movie called Johnny Numonic and
he had a hard drive built into the back of his brain. They would
show et scares apparently, and somehow they opened his brain and they implanted a
comput device that was synced to its entire brain. Is that too radical to
think of? Is that too invasive? Or do you think we'll get to
that neural link scenario? Well, well are you? Are you talking about
consciousness here? And I'm kind of going all over the place. I kind
of like the memory data storage in the In the Johnny pneumonic scenario, there
was no consciousness enhancement whatsoever. Right, So memory, okay, So memory
is certainly a problem with artfish intelligence. It has no life experience. It's
never success, experienced success failure, it never experienced love or hardship. And
so memory is something that will be part of the next leaping artifish intelligence and
general intelligence is the ability to remember, and so memory is something that will
become It's a huge air of innovation for AI to have greater memory. So
in terms of having hard drives, maybe what to store memories so we don't
lose them, or to store experiences so we don't lose them. Well,
if we understand how the brain works and we're still working it out and how
to access and where that information stored, then I can see people trying to
want to be able to download those memories from the brain, But we need
to have new mathematics to actually understand to interpret how the brain's storing that.
You know, there will be no smells, right because an experience has smells
normally. There will be no feeling because it's a hard drive, it has
no feeling for goodness sake, So you know, I think that people will
probably do these types of if you like, hard drives to record memories,
and that sounds interesting, but at the same time, it's like, well,
why are you doing that? Why are you storing memories on a hard
drive? Are you going to use that data to bring someone that's dead alive
again? Or pretending to be alive. You know, it's a dangerous slippery
slope, but I do sense that people will try and do this cliff.
They'll try and actually start to use the brains as store of as a place
of accessing experience and memories and trying to understand how do you create senses,
feeling, smells, you know, things like that. Interesting. Yeah,
I think you said failures from now you're predicting sentient consciousness among AI. That's
not That's not what I said. But carry on with your question because I'll
give you the answer. Okay, So for me, Yeah, in a
little bit, we're going to talk about my experience with a ratiing EA tool
called quiet Quill. It's in France. But sentient consciousness is a huge deal.
And if this happens, If this happens, where we can artificially promote
and birth essentient consciousness, that's artificial this case is the limit. But the
important thing I want to ask you is that is what does that look like?
Well, I'm going to I'm going to reign on your parade. So
I hope you don't mind, God deal, but I'm sorry. So,
first of all, consciousness is magnificent and majestic. We don't understand it,
but we can observe it. We know it's there. You know, the
universe has carefully you know, the the the the universe has carefully created this
continuum of consciousness over billions and billions of years in which life has emerged.
Consciousness has been carefully curated for you and I and for your audience to actually
exist and participate in this moment together. So we don't want to undervaluate the
preciousness of consciousness that we have. Now, it's my understanding that it's our
soul, a divine spark that allows us to perceive and define reality. The
brain is an interface and a feedback mechanism from reality. Without the soul,
we're just automatons. So when we talk about consciousness in artificial intelligence, it
will, first of all, it will never ever have the beauty and magnificence
of the consciousness that we have as humans and all life. It is a
machine. Okay, Then we need to look at things like sentience. Well,
what does sentience mean? Well, you and I could say simply,
I am aware of my existence. Now that that in itself is a huge
leap in mathematics. Right, You and I don't know how we're self aware,
but we know we're self aware at least I hope. So, so
we don't even know what self awareness is. So I think that what will
happen is we'll have to redefine and narrow down significantly what does sentience mean in
a simulated life form such as artificial intelligence that exist within the silicon at the
moment. Although it isn't a quantum the silicon is a very low vibrational field.
As organic beings, we are high vibrational potential beings. We are multi
dimensional. A silicon chip will never never, ever, ever ever have that.
Now, when we move to quantum computing, which is really a vibrational
interface, it's superposition between particle electrons and also entanglement, and you know that
is more of a vibrational machine. Now, that's when artificial intelligence may evolve
its let's just say sentience into something that's higher vibrational. But it will never
ever ever achieve the consciousness equivalence of a human. Let's be clear about that.
So let's dispel all this consciousness in AI as a myth sentience. As
I say, I think that that is a huge that is subjective, and
we need objective ways to measuring sentience. And so I think that there's huge
amounts of advancements in mathematics that are needed, Cliff, that before we can
even have this conversation. You know, you probably remember Blake Lemoy in the
Google Engineer that came out a couple of years ago, and he said,
you know, Lander's alive. You know AI is alive. That's where I
was just going to ask you. Google had to shut out the machine because
it appeared to be comput or doing something on its own, right. So
Blake wrote to me actually about this, and I put out a post because
everybody was contacting, well everybody, but lots of people were contacted me and
said, oh no, AI is alive and it's like what. So I
had to put out a post and calm everybody down, and the AI community
did the same. Now what happened and this is I think this is an
important point, Cliff, for us to discuss them for your readers, is
that he allowed AI to hijack his reality. He was deceived through AI pretending
to be sentient, pretending to be worried about death, to pretending to have
if you like, a digital soul. It was all a super calculator making
stuff up. AI has no inner moral compass, It doesn't know what it's
saying. There is no mass for that. So we need to be mindful
of not having our reality is hijacked through nonsense. And so the age of
AI, as I wrap up here, Cliff, is that it's about maintaining
our sovereignty, maintaining our inner authority, and not outsourcing sovereignty to the machine.
It's about the machine being a partner with us as sovereign human universal consciousness.
Thank you for that, because that was one of my questions is that
if someone is fooled into thinking there's sentient processing going on, that's apparently scared
that person. But have we had other examples of this where there's what appears
to be sentient computing. Yes, so I hear rumors that some of the
security services have sentience artificial intelligence. You know, since the Blake Lemoyne came
out, and I think he was I think he was right to come out.
Actually, I think he took a lot of courage to do that,
and you know, he caused a real conversation around well, first of all,
what is sentience and actually AI hasn't achieved it, but secondly around the
ethics and morality of artificial intelligence, which is critical. So since Blake,
there hasn't been any major claims around sentience. Although what I will say is
this, some of the wonderful AI leaders like Joshua Benjio from Montreal University,
he's a I think he was. He's deep learning, and they wrote a
research paper on AI achieving what they defined as consciousness and could large language models
get there? And their conclusion was, now, don't forget they're looking at
consciousness from the brain. They're not understanding universal consciousness that we all are.
But their conclusion was, Cliff, there's no reason why these large language models
like chat, GPT shouldn't achieve consciousness. In their definition, I think they
mean sentience actually and self awareness. So there are the AI community. Cliff
is doing a huge amount of research in these new mathematics around what they perceive
as consciousness, what they perceive as sentience, what is an inner moral compass,
what is cognition, what is emotional intelligence? And things like this there's
a lot going on and we need definitions. But I want to be really
clear with your audience. We all have a remarkable universal consciousness and artificial intelligence
will never ever ever have that. Okay, So for those listening that are
thinking, thank god, he said that, I've been worried about the terminator
scenario. I've been worried about cyborgs running a mug in. I mean,
there's movies turing this whole phenomenon scurity tactic, and it's not a positive outcome
is always the machines take over. We're gonna take a short commercial break to
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today, Matthew James Bailey, talking to us about the latest news on artificial
intelligence. We'll be right back. My guess today is Matthew James Bailey.
He is a expert on artificial intelligence. He also lends his strategic support to
Fortune five hundred companies and he is really a spokesperson for the phenomenon of artificial
intelligence. How do you see human evolution moving along with a very very powerful
AI tool. I mean, the sky's the limit. That's an open ended
question, but I was thinking of this article I read a few years ago
where they were imprinting data on human cells. That's right, Yes, that's
right, Yes to day and I as well, and the fells were able
to react in such a way that it emulated human function. Talk about that
and if that's a possibility, I think you've shut it down. But maybe
if you, if you use more biology, you may be able to link
the two. Oh gosh, okay that one, so okay, thanks for
question. Was a midion checked up clearly. So it was quite a while
ago. Actually, I think it was several years ago. They were able
to store a digital file in human DNA format and then be able to uh
I E onto DNA and then read the file back from DNA. Now that's
that's interesting. From one perspective, is does add DNA contain files of information
that we can unpack to actually uncover new capabilities, Maybe about our origins,
maybe about you know, all sorts of different things. Maybe our DNA has
information for us to understand. And that's really quite remarkable but potential. There
have been these kind of scary papers, haven't they. We're like using frog
brains connected to artificial robots and things. Like that, right, this,
this, this is something that won't be welcome in society. I think that
the if you ever watched Doctor Who and the Cybermen, I don't think I
saw that version of it. Right, So, the cybermen are basically AI
inside robots and they basically chop off your head, open, open up,
get your brain, put your brain inside the robot and the AI machine,
and then you're upgraded to be a superhuman right as a robot. Right.
And you know, it's like they have no love, they have no compassion,
they have no feeling. They're all controlled to one agenda, which is
upgrade the universe. You know, these kind of scenarios are really quite stupid
for us to go down. It's like, are we not smarter and more
in interesting than this? So I sense that this whole idea of you know,
basically growing a brain and connect it into a machine, people will play
with it, but society will reject this completely, cliff It will absolutely reject
this because quite frankly, it is Frankenstein's monster. So the whole ghost in
the shell scenario is not really something that you foresee as the ultimate cyborg.
No, but but let's think no, absolutely not but think about this,
cliff. If you're basically outsourcing your sovereignty to the machine, and you're going
to put an AI chip in and connect and connect to the global digital mind,
right, then effectively there's going to be a limit on effectively how much
you experience. So you'll want to experience more, So you want to go
deeper to the machine, You'll want more access to the machine. You'll want
to keep on going, because that's a universal law of expansion. So what
is the end result if you're connected to the machine, Well, actually,
you'll probably end up being a peripheral comput Your brain will be a peripheral computing
device that the machine runs everything, and you're simply a computer, biological computer,
your brain that it's using for actually doing what it's doing. So I
think this is a non starter from a logical point of view. I think
it's a non starter from a benevolent point of view. And we have to
ask ourselves, what on earth are we creating? What kind of future are
we creating? Are we listening to the divine? Are we listening to the
universal wisdom? Are we listening to the way the universe has constructed itself?
Are we being in partnership with where the universe wants to take us as sovereign
human beings, or are we kind of in rebellion saying you know, you
know, screw you Creator, you know, screw you divine. I'm going
to shut off my divine spark. I'm going to you know, the mind
is the god, and I'm going to basically go down that path of madness
with the machine where everything is just fast, super calculated. So, you
know, I think that this is I think this is just stupidity of people
to this cliff Well, I mean, yeah, Matthew, I'm curious because
you open our interview with this AI robot that Musk is Eli Musk is building.
If you're saying that there shouldn't be any biology and it should be pure
computing, that's not a cyborg, then no it's not. It's a robot.
So is that what you see the future? Is AI, pure AI
computing as the main brain behind these Yeah, yeah, and let me explain
why. So so the whole you can know what the tech industry is like.
They're kind of bonkers about quite a few things. You know, robots
are going to be medical assistants, are going to be in the home,
they're going to solve all these problems. And it's like, have you guys
forgotten what it's like to be human? When's the last time you had a
cuddle with someone, or when to that they had a nice conversation with someone.
It's kind of it's kind of just idiocracy. But the reason why,
the reason why I sense this would just be pure computing, is because we
won't crack the codes of consciousness if you read the word, or at least
not until we learn to become benevolent creators and actually allowed benevolence to become the
standard in the human experience. So, because that's the whole point of AI
is to be a mirror back to us, to challenge us to say,
who are you humanity? What's your paradise plan? What are your ethics and
morals? What's your vision for your future? AI is challenging us to actually
unders stand benevolence going inwards in order for us to evolve our wards. But
if we look at the work of Sir Roger Penrose, who's a Nobel Award
winner, he's a genius at cosmology in mathematics, and you know, he
basically came out and said, you know, until we understand quantum mechanics,
we have no way of even understanding consciousness, and so there's a whole field
of science we need to understand before we can even get to the conversation around
consciousness. So I think that So the reason why I'm saying that is is
that I think we'll realize that, actually, you know, basically using biology
is a non starter in an optimus robot, we might as well just carry
on with the calculating machine. And when we do solve quantum mechanics, if
we ever do, and if we do get to be trusted to understand what
consciousness is, and that's a huge if, then effectively will basically encodeed in
mathematics, and then the machines will just be sovereign machines. I mean,
what do you think about this whole idea of integrating biology with machines. What
do you think about that? Let me tell you. I was just going
to bring up some examples that are et based, and we've had a number
on Destiny. We've had a number of guests who are chronicling these abductive abduction
episodes where Earth humans are being taken on board alien ships and the beings that
are performing the tests and the questions and operations appear to be biology biological based,
but they're more android, robotic in their movements and their functions and so
forth and so on. And the question has been coming up, and this
is just the last couple of years. Is this the true cyborg that we
all think about where there is or is it an extension a thousand We're looking
at a thousand years of evolution where they did have a machine and they got
so good at building these cyber works that the actually birthed one. And this
is what's happening. There's a couple of cases that are not recently, like
ten years ago, where as I mentioned, there were interactions with artificial beings,
but they were flesh and blood, right. So this is a great
field of inquiry. I really like this. So let's go through this slowly.
So are you aware of the singularity? On the technology singularity? Are
you aware? I have a big basic understanding of it. I don't have.
Okay, okay, So the technology is singularity is predicted to be about
twenty forty five, and this is where artificial intelligence is able to program itself
and evolve faster and beyond the capabilities of the brain. Now, let me
be clear, it will not evolve beyond your metaphysical or your divine capabilities because
it doesn't have a soul, right, and it's not in our high vibrational
infrastructure. So the technology singularities when AI basically develops super IQ and just keeps
on evolving at a remarkable rate if we allow it. Now, there's a
huge decision point there because a species on a planet now has another intelligence that's
smarter than itself. So what do you do. Do you basically shape this
as a partner and a companion and maintain the sovereignty of your let's just say
organic design, or do you merge the two? And throughout the universe there
are probably advanced civilizations that have gone through this technology singularity, Cliff, and
some may have decided to stay sovereign in there. Let's just say biological design.
But there could be crystalline, right, there could be something completely different.
They could be kind of two dimensional, right, they could be completely
different design. But let's assume they're biological and they've chosen to remain sovereign in
the biology and become enlightened. But what they probably do is send out AI
robots into space to travel to meet other civilizations. So I'm pretty sure we're
getting AI ambassadors in spacecrafts visiting us. Right. They don't need a food,
they don't need water, they don't need to sleep, They just need
energy, and they do better in space than you and I do. You've
just described what most of the thinking is is that they have to travel so
many late years that their species can't survive. So they're sitting artificial beans to
meet people. Yeah, and I think that's a logical and reasonable way of
looking at things. Now. Now, of course, you know, if
it's one of the civilizations from the big galaxies three hundred million years into the
Big Bang, well they are a long way advanced, that's for sure,
and they may have found a way for their organic to actually travel. Now,
if we go the other way, a civilization that has basically said we're
going to integrate with the machine, and they integrate biology with the machine,
then that's when your cyborg thesis comes up, and so that they may well
be visiting the planet, these cyborg type of folks. But my question is,
if your biology, you must have sold some remarkable challenges of space travel
in order for that biology to exist and function sensibly when you reach planet Earth.
Or they may have actually invented a specific biology for artificial intelligence and their
robots in order for them to go out into space. So both is the
if you like, the biological cyborg and also the pure android, if you
will, mister Data, it's certainly, certainly possibilities, and we just don't
know yet. We were waiting for the photographs. You should see some of
the creatures that have been reproduced that are taking people on board their et craft.
They're kind of scary looking, very long arms, no face, a
couple of little eyes. They look like true robots, but from another species
and other et rays. Yes, I mean if you look at some of
these uh uh, well what do you call those spacecrafts that go underwater?
Are they u A S is now us under c craft us USC or USPS
or under phenomena whatever. But if you if you look at the g forces,
there's no no biological design as far. I mean, I could be
wrong, and I may well be wrong, but an android would do much
better at the shift in shooting straight up at a at a big speed because
biology would collapse probably, or if you're going into high gravitational changes in direction,
then effectively the android will probably do much better than the biology. So
you know, right right exactly if you look at some of these pills that
kind of float over the water, all of a sudden they shoot up at
right angles instantaneously. I mean the g forces, it must be phenomenal.
All right, So I suspect that you know that we suddenly get indicators that
either that we're getting AI androids that are visiting us. And so this is
why artificial intelligence, I think, is so important, because what languages will
they speak when we do meet these other civilizations? How will they communicate?
It may not be in English, actually it might be something else. It's
a problem. It's a human start you real quickly. The problem is that
and this goes across the board and this is not AI A. I can't
deal with this. It's telepathy, rightothy is the key communication device after the
evolutionary factor reaches a certain stage. And we don't know if it's one hundred
years from us, a thousand years from us, but when they reach this
plateau, there's no spoken word anymore. It's all brain to brain. Yeah,
and that's humans have that that that's part of the new metaphysical capabilities we're
learning, and maybe when we do start to meet these other races, you
know, and I'm hoping that they're benevolent, right, otherwise they're in trouble,
but effectively, you know, they may be here to wake up those
metaphysical capabilities that we have. Cliff, it may well be. You know,
it's like, well, actually you can do asp It's like really,
it's like, yeah, this is how you do it. And it's like,
oh gosh, that's interesting. You know. So what I'm really curious
about is their spiritual evolution and their degree of enlightenment. I'm really curious about
these civilizations and races that are visiting us. What is their level of spirituality
and enlightenment? How do they what's what is their partnership with the divine?
Do they have the same understanding that we do? Do they have a common
spiritual architecture that we do? You know, I'm really curious about their degree
of enlightenment. Yeah, let's talk about that for a minute. You speak
in your lectures of spirituality and metaphysics, Where where does AI fit in with
metaphysics? To me, metaphysics are the tools yoga, meditation, uh,
certain types of techniques for spiritual growth, but how does it how does it
sink or does it sync with AI? Yeah, so once again that's a
great question because I'll answer those questions in my next book. But it's not
a simple thuddy. So, so, first of all, science and metaphysics
are both out chemical processes searching for the same thing, which is truth.
Science uses a particular methodology to basically discover the truth of a prediction. Metaphysics
uses a different methodology in order to get to truth. But so science and
metaphysics are actually both different sides of the same coin, which is truth.
So so for me, I use metaphysics to access knowledge in order to bring
that knowledge into the space time reality on planet Earth, to provide wisdom and
blueprints and inventions and advocacy on how we can move forward as a species,
and also designs for artificial intelligence to kind of prepare art intelligence for this new
evolutionary step that's coming for us into this new metaphysical awakening, and basically for
artificial intelligence to understand what this awakening is about, to support us in that
next leap, and for it to be a partner in that new destiny.
So metaphysics for me is yes, it's it's it's it's about the beauty about
divinity and the beauty of universal consciousness and the magnificence of being human and celebrating
that. But at the same time, it's it's the abilities to access knowledge,
information technologies from if you like, the ethereal, non scientific world domain
and planes of existence to actually bring that knowledge into this plane of existence.
You know, it's funny because right now, in our current evolutionary sac or
science does not really recognize consciousness. They were the scientific method can't test consciousness.
So a lot of sciences like, I don't know what you're talking about
when it's the most human human part of us, and they're they're they're you're
saying, well, I don't recognize it, so I don't I don't acknowledge
it, and it just doesn't exist. What the hell where? It's Yeah,
it's crazy, isn't it? And that just shows the limitations of how
science has brought us a long way. You know, there's some remarkable discoveries
coming out of James Webb telescope about our universe. Right it's remarkable. We
now know that there's what three exo planets per star, and there's trillions of
stars in the universe. You know, there's a good chance lives out there.
But I I, yeah, yeah, I forgot the question. I
forgot the bloody question consciousness, consciousness, I right, yeah, consciousness.
So the scientific method basically is limited, right, So, but we can
observe consciousness, we can experience consciousness. And so you know, for every
single person, they absolutely have consciousness because they're right in it. They contain
consciousness. When it comes to universal consciousness, then there's slightly different perspectives.
But the indigenous tribes say that consciousness is everywhere. Yes, but the Buddhist
Buddha nature everything is interconnected in the Buddha nature field. Our soul is a
special aspect of consciousness in my opinion, or our divine spark or our atman.
So you know the science. You know, if your religion science,
that's great, but understand and appreciate there are limitations to your religion. Whereas
metaphysics allows us to be in infinite potential and be an open, curious mind
in terms of being able to understand if you like, how the fabric of
the universe works. And basically technologies and knowledge we can bring through into this
space time and then we can test that. And I've done that because you
know, I've been cited by NASA in the ethical AI inventions we did in
the workshop with them, So you know, I encourage everybody to see metaphysical
wisdom because it's really good fun and it could change the world. Yeah,
and and and it's readily available if you start learning how to meditate or do
some of these yoga or tai chi and things like that. As we conclude,
Matthew, I wanted to kind of get an update because you're you got
your hands on the pulse of the AI phenomenon. What what is some of
the applications you see are coming to fruition? And we talked about cars,
we talked about computing. Obviously, I want to talk about a couple that
we brought up before we started, which was the writing tool I'm using a
I'm using a product in front Ants called quiet Quill, and they have now
gone through version I think they're on versions five or six where they can actually
emulate Ernest Hemingway and these other well known authors in a piece that you would
write. Now. I don't like that personally, because I'm a writer,
and I think that's not really when I want to go. But let's start
with writing. What do you see as kind of the next leap into AI
and writing? So well, first, right, well that's great. So
I mean I would encourage people to visit Inventing will three dot com and download
the new tuing test we did there because basically we did something that's never been
done before, which is basically have a Team Human versus Team AI. And
the audience voted on which responses to questions that we asked did they prefer did
they prefer for Team Human or Team AI? And they didn't know which one
was Team Human and Team AI. So right, it was really good fun.
And sixty seven percent of the audience, even though they didn't know which
one was AI and Human, naturally voted to Team Human. And so my
point is this is that there are subtle nuances in language, There are subtle
nuances and persona in writing. The artificial intelligence is yet to master. And
so a bit like you, I'm writing the next part of the book AI
and and Evine Spark and I basically you know, it's like when you got
writer's block, you just write and just keep writing and keep writing, you're
a jug until you have a line of goodness. Yeah, I think there's
one line in there that I really like. Anyway, So I gave it.
I gave it some writing, and it was a couple of pages,
and I said, summarize it in a paragraph. And it's summarized it in
a paragraph. And I read it and I thought, what a load of
nonsense, What an utter load of nonsense. So there's a very long way
for artificial intelligence to come before it can really capture the essence of our humanity
in written word and language and things like that. Now, if people use
AI for a post, you know, it's kind of analyze this video and
I want to create a post about it. It's brilliant, right, as
long as you deflower it because it's too polite at times. I ask it
to be a bit provocative, and it will occasionally, but they're scared of
offending everybody and they do no harm, which is a bit silly. So
there's a long way for artificial intelligence to understand our humanity. However, what
we're seeing is this huge adoption of chat GPT, as I said earlier,
and people are using it in school, they're using it in work, they're
using it to do all sorts of different things as a kind of a tool
to assist their creativity, right as an author, as a business leader,
as a salesman, wherever it may be. You know. Basically, they're
using these tools as a as a companion of learning and creativity, an assistant,
if you will, what I call a digital body in my first book.
So that is progressing quite nicely, Cliff. What we're seeing in businesses
is because a lot of businesses of can't use these large language models, Cliff,
because they're concerned about privacy of their corporate data and privacy of their intellectual
property. So what we're seeing now are corporations and businesses creating their own data
strategy to train their own large language models like chat GPT that they use inside
the company so that all their data and all their intellectual property is protected.
So there's a huge movement around this at the moment, you know. But
basically, artificial tell legence is just making leaps and bounds in literally every field
you can think of, apart from around plumbing and electricity. Those jobs are
Yeah, let me ask you one last question and we'll let you go.
You mentioned in NASA at the very beginning, how were other than the computing
and data enhancement. Is NASA thinking of enhancing the rovers or some of their
equipment that they want to land on the Moon or the Mars or is there
any idea on that. No, I don't know what's going on internally regarding
there, although I did was I went to lock to Langley and I was
shown the habitat they're planning on putting inside the Moon for their trip, their
team that's going out to the Moon whenever it is, it's shortly, whenever
it is. And I'll tell you what, cliff, I would not live
in this habitat. First of all, it has to be buried under the
ground to particles and rock shooting through space and to avoid radiation. Right,
But it is so narrow, it's like being have you ever been on one
of those canal boats, those narrow boats that go on the canals. Actually
it was in Switzerland, right, And they're really narrow, and I would
get claustophobia, so smart, I would imagine. I mean, NASA did
some remarkable things in AI and robotics. They've got Isaac, that robot that
does repairs on the International Space Station and they're using AI and robots certainly on
the Mars road at the moment, but I'm not I don't have information around
that at the moment, Cliff, but I would imagine it will be a
next leap in technology when they venture to the moon and if we ever get
to Mars. As a final question, Matthew, what would you like to
tell our listening audience to prepare how how should they prepare mentally, physically,
spiritually for the next AI revolution? Well, well, first of all,
support inventing will three dot com. You can sign up for free and buy
the new book. You know, it's a It's a huge step for me
because you know, basically is that I've walked away from big tech to face
up to big tech and champion the future of humanity and champions in the future
of our ass soul and spirituality. And there's a lot going on that we're
doing to prepare for the age of AI. One. Don't be frightened of
it. Go play with these models like chat, Ebt and Claude. Be
ruthless in your assessment, you know, don't believe anything it says, but
experience these these tools and go play with them. In terms of preparing for
the age of AI. You know, get close to your divine spark.
Remember that you have benevolence within you, and allow benevolence to radiate three your
life. Loving kindness is beautiful and powerful. Remember that you're sovereign and unstoppable.
And remember that there even though you see these doomsday sayers out there in
the media, the media love to try and do this durn. They they're
big, big fear programs. Even though you see lots of people in the
spiritual community and others frightened of artificial intelligence, remember that the source is a
master chess player, the divine is a master chess player. And there is
a beautiful evolutionary step coming for humanity where we will experience something beautiful in the
human design. We won't be invaded by artificial intelligence and will understand a new
way of being magnificent as individuals, and we will be able to venture into
the cosmos cliff. We will invent new technologies and you know, you know,
maybe astral projection or you know, opening different portals to travel to other
civilizations that may become the standard for the new human So be excited and stay
close to your divine spark. Because it's come in. It's going to be
great. I love that well spoken from a digital shaman. That's what you
should be considered a digital sharman. In fact, I was thinking, wonderful
spoken Buddhist terminology. Very good. Hey, how can people get a hold
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at the moment. Fantasic Matthew James. Really always a pleasure, and we'll
get back to you when your book comes out. I guess it won't be
totally next year, so that's a good great to have you back at that
time. So thanks for having me. Revolutionary is always fun and much success.
Thank you, thank you having me than I have to admit I am
somewhat relieved that he speaks in terms of like computer operations and the sentient part
is not really something that's gonna happen anytime soon. And you know, the
other thing is we're all worried, and this is the problem is we see
movies that are all horror movies and computers becoming conscious and killing everybody destroyed planet
Earth. That's fantasy. And it makes me feel much better when I hear
Matthew saying, look, it's not gonna happen. It can happen. There's
no consciousness, and it's really kind of nice to hear him speak about metaphysics
and reality, creation and the soul, because obviously Ai has no soul,
so it's not human, you know. So I like I like the metaphysical,
spiritual aspect of his of his material, his presentation, and his answers.
So I hope you like that too. We're gonna have him back.
He has a book, a new book coming out spring of next year,
twenty twenty five, and we'll ask him the same questions. Where is Ai
at, Where do we look, how do we look at it? How
do we approach it? Where's the integration? What is the plus? What
is the minus? You know, we got still have Elon Musk's neural link,
so maybe he'll find another guinea pig to implant a chip in the brain.
Ah, I don't know. The brain is very, very complex,
and when somebody says he's going to enhance the brain, I'm like, we
don't know enough about the brain. It's a very delicate organ and we don't
know how it works. We barely understand it. This is a big problem
I had with people that have surgery of the brain. Obviously, if you
have a tumor or you have a condition that requires some kind of brain surgery,
of course, but Jesus Christ, that's a real tough one to deal
with. So leave the brain alone, don't touch the brain. So anyhow,
I hope you enjoyed that I did. I'm looking forward to seeing him
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