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at Vox Media. It's a shitty
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his family because his mother passed away
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I meant to mention on the previous
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and sending good vibes his way and
his family's way as well. Deep breath,

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Adam, how are you doing?
I told you I wasn't going to

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ask you how you were doing this
podcast, but here I am caring about

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your well being. How are you
doing? I appreciate that I'm pretty well,

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and you know, there's just there's
one thing that's bugging me, and

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it's that you have these two adorable
puppies, Wade and Thor, and I

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don't get enough pictures of them,
and I definitely don't think that the Hardwood

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Knox accounts has sent enough pictures of
them. I feel like we need to

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make them them Internet famous here because
they're a door and my life would be

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better if if they were in it
more. You just need to message them

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and tell them to sit still for
long enough to have said photos taken.

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And I also blame you for allowing
me to get two puppies. This was

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that was like pandemic brain where I
was just like, I need more joining

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my life. We're already getting one. Let's just get to and they're adorable,

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but they're also hell raisers, and
I am tired. Respect to anyone

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who has actual human being children and
still finds a way to get stuff done

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because I'm overmatched. It's me versus
two puppies, one of whom is sleeping

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right next to me as we record
this. You saw him before before he

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was sleeping. I me versus two
puppies that I'm losing. I don't know

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how you have you have a kid, you have Davy. I don't know

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how people have multiple kids and get
stuff done. I don't know how they

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do it. Respect to them,
it's it's a struggle every day. But

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yeah, the puppies are always going
to win. Just you might as well

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accept that now. I just puppies. The puppies are going to make the

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All Decade team before you do.
That's I just look. As long as

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I get to sleep at some point, they can make whatever team you want

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them to. We do have a
Denver Nuggets All Decade well it's not in

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All Decade team. The top ten
players of the decade for the Denver Nuggets.

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Thank you to everyone who voted on
their top ten Nuggets of the decade,

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I say, we get right into
it. We had a tie for

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tenth place in Denver. A lot
of tough options here. Who did we

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end up with in the composite rankings
at him? Yeah, this was an

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interesting one just because it felt like, for the first time with any of

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the franchises we've covered thus far,
that there was a plethora of options that

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were actually compelling ones for those those
down ballot spots. So we did have

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a two way tie between Carmelo Anthony
and Arona Flllow. We both had a

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Flallow in our tenth spot. The
fan vote did not have him in the

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top ten. It did have Carmelo
Anthony at number nine, which is why

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he got in on the composite grades
even though neither of us had him.

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I think the reason we didn't is
pretty obvious here. It's that we're only

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looking at twenty ten, eleven through
the present day, which means that we

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only get fifty games of Mellow in
a Nuggets uniform before he was sent to

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the New York Knicks and that blockbuster
trade that brought back to Nil Gallanari,

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among others. So it was it
was just far too small a sample.

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Even though he played pretty effective basketball
during that fifty game stretch. Was obviously

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stolen his prime as a twenty six
year old, But for me, a

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Flollow, who just spent significantly more
time in a Nuggets uniform was the obvious

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choice over him. Yeah, do
you remember lockout season? Aaron Afollow just

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an absolute offensive monster, and he
had a good year after that, but

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he was with the Magic for it. He was the centerpiece of the twenty

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twelve Dwhite Howard Andrew Binham trade and
Idolatry. I think we can all agree

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Aaron was the centerpiece of that without
question. Yeah, just a solid for

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those three seasons, and again two
of them were with the Magic. But

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just this really solid, high value
bucket getter, hitting a with the exception.

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Looking at the Denver seasons specifically,
he does have three seasons that fall

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under this purview. But twenty eleven
twenty twelve, hits fifty percent of his

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twos, shoots almost forty percent from
three averages over fifteen points per game.

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A nice little secondary playmaker, and
there were just in those post mellow days,

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those immediate post mellow days, like
there were just stretches where he had

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to be for certain lineup to the
primary scorer, and I won't say it

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was you know, always generated the
prettiest results, but he was someone who

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could who could do it like sort
of like that boyon Bogdanovich, guy who's

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definitely had a more sustained peak when
you look at his career and is probably

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the better player overall. But it
was just someone that you could rely on

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who wasn't a star, who really
probably shouldn't even have been a number two

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on a really good team, but
he could get you buckets off the catch

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and get you buckets in the post
just from scratch in general. And I'm

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happy that the fans appreciated him just
about or no, I'm happy that you

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appreciated him instead of the fans as
much as I did for this ranking.

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Right. Yeah, He's definitely not
somebody that you ever really wanted to be

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a star, but you could kind
of pigeonhole him into that role and live

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with the results. Like a capable, maybe not an exceptional three level scorer,

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a guy who can get buck it's
from the mid range, who can

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who can shoot threes, who can
create from self, who can play off

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the ball, never at a very
high level, but he did it well

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enough to get a shout out from
Kendrick Lamar, and I think that matters

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more than anything else here. Honestly, we need to bump him up five

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spots for that probably at least yeah, at least a Mellow for me,

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by the way, just didn't make
the cut fifty games. It's just nothing

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yet. He wasn't even close for
me. It feels like for the fans,

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it was just a matter of if
you know, Melo played for them

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and was really good in this decade, and so we have to throw his

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name in there. I think it's
it's sometimes hard without like really pouring over

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the archives and stuff to to remember
exactly when players changed hands and whether they

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had three seasons within the cutoff or
two seasons or in this case, fifty

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games. So I'll excuse it because
he did at least play for the Nuggets

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during this decade, unlike Alan Iverson, who did get one sixth place vote

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despite retiring before the start of the
decade. Or let's maybe this is Galaxy

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brain thinking here, but our fans
just net level smarter than us, and

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they're rewarding Mellow for the return that
he got them in the trade, where

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he forces the Knicks. I think
about how many players are on this list

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as the direct result of this trade
that we're going to get to in a

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few moments, right, I mean
without Mellow asking for that trade and getting

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it, they don't get your kitch
down the road. Yeah, that's so

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you can connect all of the dots
back to Mellow. Really he was snubbed

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then. I don't know what we
were thinking. Yeah, we should have

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had him much higher. Who is
at number nine? At number nine,

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we have a current Denver nugget,
and that is Paul Millsap, who was

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a big free agent addition for the
Nuggets back in twenty seventeen. He's been

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there for free agent addition in franchise
history. I would probably say so,

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Yeah, I think I mean a
four time All Star still in his early

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thirties, as kind of like what
was intended to be that finishing touch on

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a contending piece on a contending puzzle. I think he probably was. I

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would agree with you. I was
always just curious. Yeah, and you

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know, he's been here for two
seasons and change. I say here because

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I'm in Denver, so I'm allowed
to say that. I realized that was

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a little bit of a slip,
but uh, you know, another guy

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like much like a fallow where he
doesn't necessarily like stand out in any one

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area at this stage of his career, the stage that's been spent in Denver,

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but like an exceptional defender, a
guy who still gets countless defenders to

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bite for his pump fake and is
able to score from all over the court,

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a guy who can capably serve as
more of a tertiary playmaker when when

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sets break down in the half court. Is he an All star anymore?

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No? Is he a defensive Player
of the Year candidate anymore? Not really,

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but like just good in all areas
and just with the exception of probably

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the beginning of his time and in
Denver, and in that first season he

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ends up missing most of the year
too, so that's definitely a part of

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it. There was times where he
felt like he deviated from the offense to

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look for his own shots. Maybe
that's just the byproduct of not having enough

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reps because of all the time he
missed, or just trying to get comfortable.

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He's fitting quite well though, otherwise
I think you'd have to respect someone

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who No, he's never been the
highest you should start up begin with,

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but his role is clearly diminished from
what it was when he was coming over

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from Atlanta, and I respect guys
like him who can make that transition I

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won't say seamlessly, but in time
effectively. And even now his availability can

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still be an issue. But when
he's on the court, the Nuggets are

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very clearly an above average defensive team. And so no, he's not going

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to have that same profile that he
did during his years in Atlanta. That

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part of that is age, but
he's still just so functionally effective and valuable

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that if your rank all the current
players in the NBA, his volume probably

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keeps him out of the top fifty, but he's also probably still right around

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there. And that's looking at looking
at what's happened over the past three years,

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I think that that's actually super impressive. Yeah, I think he's also

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just held back a little bit because
of the injuries. Now, like we

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had the first season in Denver only
thirty eight games played. Then he missed

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twelve last year, and he's managed
to stay mostly healthy this year. But

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you know, those those minor and
more major injuries have piled up a little

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bit, and especially during that that
first season where the integration process with him

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and with Nicola Yokich and with Jamal
Murray that it kind of got held back

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because they were they were so so
new into his tenure there when when he

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went down that he hasn't I hesitate
to say he hasn't lived up to his

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potential or the free agent signing,
like he might not have provided as much

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value as expected. Because of that, he I also will say he's one

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of those guys that I've always wished
would take more three pointers. I know

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he's had some choppy three point splits
when you live, but you wish that

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about everyone. That's also fair too, I want everyone to take more three

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forty four percent from three this year, just only three point seven taps thirty

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six minutes. Who do we have
next? Is this another tie spot?

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We had a few ties here,
No, we don't, So we have

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a loan. In eighth place.
We have Wilson Chandler, who was eighth

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for both of us and who was
tenth for the fans. I think this

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is the first time we really get
to bring up the bareness concept that we

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talk about in every one of these
episodes because Wilson Chandler. It's third and

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minutes played over the last decade for
Denver, and he was more than just

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there, you know, a capable
three D guy who kind of embodied what

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we've come to appreciate about tweeners in
this modern era where you know, six

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eight two thirty five pounds like he
was. He's been a little bit too

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big for a lot of small forwards
to cover when he tries to go inside,

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and if a bigger guy is covering
him, he's just quick enough to

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get past him. He doesn't dominate
either matchup, but he's good enough and

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big enough and physical enough to kind
of to contribute in every and everyone.

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Yeah, and then you know the
fact that he could do some stuff off

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the dribble in addition to that,
that's always kind of helped offset the fact

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that his three point percentages are never
or rarely, I should say, as

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high as you would like. So
shot thirty five percent from three though during

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this stretch in Denver, and when
I was doing research for this, I

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was surprised. I probably thought he
was injured more and maybe I was just

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getting his availability complated with Daniela Gallinari's
in Denver. I never would have guessed

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that he is third and minutes played
for the Nuggets over this decade. That's

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one of the things that kind of
caught me off guard. And so the

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yariness factor matters, and then just
just solid, you know, twenty sixteen,

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twenty seventeen, Wilson Chandler especially was
just absolutely on one on offense and

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so just always a really solid player
and ends up being, you know,

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looking at the contracts they signed him
to, looking at some of the some

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of the fair weather success that they
had during those post Mellow years, like,

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ends up just being like one of
those understated pieces that they were able

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to add where at least made their
team interesting, even though his time with

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them kind of predates them being really
good like they are now. For the

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most part, I think it's easy
to forget just how much time he spent

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in Denver. He was a part
of that Carmelo Anthony trade and he didn't

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leave until he joined the philip We
have seventy six ers for the twenty eighteen

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nineteen season, Like, that's a
lot of time spent spanning a number of

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different mini eras in this franchise's history, and they just gave him away in

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that trade, right, Like they
just sent him into Phillies cap space that

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year. Okay, so yeah,
yeah he was there. He outlasted Daniela

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Gallanari, yes, or they leave
in the same offseason. I think I'm

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trying to remember my timeline here,
because Gallows signed with the Clippers in Yeah,

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he did out last he was there
one more season. Yeah, we

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will get to Gallows though. Who
comes after Wilson Chandler. Coming after Wilson

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Chandler, we have Will Barton,
who was seventh for the fans and who

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was sixth for you and seventh for
me. Sorry, I had to look

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at my notes there. Well,
I mean Will Barton, I thought,

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I'm actually I don't know if I'm
surprised that he is where he is,

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like do I I guess maybe personally
I find it low. He's just really

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I know, we had the injuries
last year and so maybe that holds back

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is ranking a bit because he comes
back and he's just not really ever as

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effective. But he's been really good
and sort of I respect the almost come

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out of nowareness coupled with the actual
theirness where his career has really taken off

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in Denver after coming over from Portland, someone who he's not really a properly

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sized wing. And some of the
defensive metrics love him this season, he's

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been really good defending one on one, but I also think that's the product

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of some of the lineups he plays
in, and then he's not going to

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foul, and so all those things
probably weigh into some of those metrics.

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But when you look at what he
can do offensively, like a pretty good

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catch and shoot guy. He can
do some work off the dribble, even

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if he maybe don't trust his off
the bounce jumper. This season specifically,

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he's getting inside more can be that
secondary playmaker, and so he just fills

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a lot of holes and I just
he's sort of like that the NBA equivalent

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of like a five tool player,
it feels like to me. And then

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there's also just that a let trick
intangibility about him where you know, some

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of the possessions where he's working on
the ball, you don't really know what's

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going to happen, like you could
end in disaster or could end in a

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masterpiece, And like, I kind
of respect that experience a little bit.

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And he I think you can argue
if you're looking at maybe this is being

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too recent, but if you're looking
at a perspective playoff series for the Nuggets,

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you could probably make the case,
especially this season given how much Gary

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Harris has struggled, that he's their
third most important player, just because you

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still need that second face up weapon
aside from Jamal Murray. And if you're

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not going to lean on Michael Porter
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at this stage, the only other
guy that can really generate that type of

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offense in this rotation is Will Barton. Agreed. Agreed, And I kind

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of think that he's one of the
NBA's more overall underrated players. We credit

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him for his athleticism and transition,
for his scoring instincts, for the excitability

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that you mentioned, because we don't
really know what's going to happen. But

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I do think that his ability is
on the defensive end have largely gone overlooked

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because he's been an offense first player
in the past, and more than anything

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else, I think that he developed
an unfortunate and inaccurate reputation as kind of

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a ballhog who looked for his own
shots at the expense of hitting open teammates

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of creating for others, when in
reality, like he's consistently developed into a

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better and better playmaker, with the
exception of the injury riddled twenty eighteen nineteen

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season where he just never really got
comfortable. But aside from that, like,

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he's really done a nice job blossoming
into a guy who can really create

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offense for himself and others on a
consistent basis, which is not something that

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the Denver has a lot on its
roster aside from the stars. Yeah,

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I do wonder if maybe his defense
value would be compromised more if he spent

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less time beside Gary Harris, who
is going to take those tougher wing assignments.

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As my voice just cracks there,
but still, yeah, I think

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you could certainly argue that he might
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he's received credit for over his career, and then gave the offense that he

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gives you as even underrated. You
know, playing off of Jamal Murray and

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Nicole Yokich, it's a luxury but
can also be an adjustment when you're most

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comfortable working on the ball, which
is what Wilbarton is, but he works

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alongside them. You can have those
three on the court together and you're just

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going to bulldoze opposing defenses. Yeah, no, I'm I'm with you there.

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I wish that he just got a
little bit more credit, and I'm

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glad that you're giving it to him. And who was after him? After

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him? We have another tie this
time. Well we'll start off with Gary

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Harris here, who was in a
tie for fifth place. He was sixth

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for the fans, he was sixth
for me, and you actually had him

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up at four despite this season struggles
really the past two seasons. Really Yeah,

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I was going to cract myself too, but you beat me to it.

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I think I just appreciate one,
You're talking about someone who had one

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of the least efficient rookie seasons in
NBA history and then all of a sudden

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turns into this incredibly valuable rotation player. The fact that his three ball really

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hasn't been falling over the past two
seasons, and that even his finishing hasn't

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been where it was at least when
you're looking at twenty seventeen twenty eighteen,

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it has picked up a little bit
this season compared to last year. That's

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definitely that definitely is a drawback for
his case. But I might have considered

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putting him even higher than I did, to be honest with you, just

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because of had he been more kinsince
on offense, just because of the workload

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that he shoulders on defense for this
team, and even when the lineups aren't

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good defensive lineups, even when the
Nuggets haven't been close to average defensive teams,

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you're talking about someone who's six four, not insanely long, who just

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covers these really tough wings on a
regular basis. And I'm not trying to

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say that he's some elite defender,
because the level of difficulty doesn't have to

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infer ability, but it is evidence
of value because the fact that they can

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put him on those types of players
despite his size and so that you really

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get three defensive positions out of Gary
Arris, to me is just this huge

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deal. And I think he's been
there now for long enough where you can

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take into account he's thereiness factor,
and then we don't have to completely forget

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about the offensive player that he was
two seasons ago, where it looked like

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this is going to be one of
the most dangerous three and D weapons in

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the league, and he might even
be a little bit more than that.

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Because you looked at the chemistry he
had off the ball with Nicola Yo Kitchen,

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his ability to duck in to the
hoop and finish at the rim.

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The fact that that's come down over
the last season and a half or so,

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again it is problematic, But I
still think he's done enough in the

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aggregate to warrant a top four finish
for the decade. So he is fifth

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in minutes played for the decade,
which I think is important here because a

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lack of availability has been one of
the primary knocks against him. It seems

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like it's been a steady stream of
minor or nagging injuries that have largely held

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back his ability to continue the promising
development we saw throughout the first four years

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of his right now six season career. He's only twenty five years old.

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We don't really know which way he's
going to trend moving forward. But you

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know, these last two seasons I
think maybe maybe unfairly knocked him further down

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on my list than I expected,
just because of the disappointment and the lack

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of development and regression in so many, so many areas. It's hard it's

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hard to know how, if to
what extent, those are linked to the

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injuries that he's worked through. It's
important that head coach Mike Malone does seem

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to implicitly trust his abilities on defense. He does trust him to handle a

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bunch of different, often tough matchups. But the inability to shoot these last

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couple of seasons, the lack of
finishing ability around the rim, like like

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as as you alluded to, like
the off ball work that he did with

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Yokis just as a as a cutter, a backdoor cutter, and a finisher

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around the hoop, like so many
of those reverse pick and rolls that they

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ran ended up being some of the
nicest highlights we've seen in the last decade

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of you know under the rim play. You know the very special are very

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very solid plays. As as the
starters like to put it, it's so

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it's it's difficult for me to separate
the trajectory from the cumulative value. I

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think that the cumulative value probably demands
higher placement, but because we're we're looking

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at their importance to the franchise too, I think that his lack of growth

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has put more of a cap on
their ceiling than we expected coming off of

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that magnificent twenty seventeen eighteen season.
I think that's all fair. Who is

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he tied with. He was tied
with Kenneth for Reid, who was fifth

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for the fans, fourth for me, and seventh for you. Very much

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a fan favorite in Denver, the
Manimal, just those thunderous dunks, the

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energy with which he played, but
at the same time, like you take

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away those highlights and the fan favoriteness
and the theirness, and I think he

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was kind of disappointing too, right, And he was one of those players

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that really just couldn't keep up with
the progression of the league's prefers. Style

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of play is really what it was. You look at what he did as

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a rebound or a high energy player, but he was also just never really

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this incredible play finisher from the from
the ranges where he should have been most

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affected. But the most damning thing, even more so than kind of this

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if he fit on the defensive end, is like for him not to develop

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really any sort of a jumper where
you couldn't necessarily trust him to make shots

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outside of you know, the restricted
area or definitely outside of the paint.

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That ended up being incredibly problematic.
And so it sucks when you see a

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player who was so electrifying early on
in his career, that career ends up

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fizzling out sort of suddenly where he
went from this. Maybe it was more

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gradual in Denver his decline than I'm
sort of painting it, because it does

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feel like he got increasingly less important
to them, at least during those final

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couple seasons. But just looking at
what he was supposed to be, what

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that extension was supposed to represent,
relative to what he ended up becoming to

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them, it's disappointing. I don't
think that we can penalize him too hard

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for that, though, because we're
just looking at especially those first few years

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in Denver he was the counting stats
were good for him again, that high

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energy player who could really get up
and down the floor, give you a

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presence on the glass, even though
he wasn't the biggest player, and it

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was someone they looked to during those
interim years, says, hey, maybe

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we actually have this building block,
and it turns out that that's not what

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he was. But the fact that
he could incite that sort of thinking,

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even if only for fleeting seasons,
I think it means something. And I

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mentioned at the top of the podcast, or rather before we started recording that

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I was never really the biggest fan
of his game, even when he was

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kind of just churning through double doubles. Still, I don't think you could

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ignore the contributions of me having him
at seven. I totally understand why the

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composite rankings and the fans specifically end
up having him higher. Yeah, I

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actually had him higher than the fans
at fourth as opposed to fifth from the

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fans, and it was largely because
of the Birness factor and just the way

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that he invigorated the fan base.
I do think that matters, especially in

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a city that its first love is
definitely football, and the basketball team struggles

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to generate coverage even when it's good. And I think that having that that

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fan favorite who brought fans to the
Pepsi Center, who made nightly highlight reels,

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that that did matter. Now.
Then again, like the Nuggets were

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consistently less effective with him on the
court, it was very easy for opposing

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teams to run pick and rolls,
get him to switch on to them,

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and just abuse him in isolation defense. So it's it's another case where like

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there are conflicting factors here. But
but for me, just given the Nuggets

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struggle to acquire and maintain relevance in
Denver. I wanted to give a little

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bit more credit to the intangibles here, probably the most polarizing player on this

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list, where I think he could
have had the widest scope of ranges where

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you could probably easily justify putting him
where you did, but I also consider

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him putting him a little bit lower
than seven, which is where I had

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him, excluding Carmelo Anthony, who
I think there was some confusion about how

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much time he spent in Denver this
decade. He had the widest range of

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outcomes from the fan vote, Like
Freed, was as high as first as

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as second place on some ballots,
he was unranked on others, and we

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didn't really see that complete contrast in
outcomes. With as many players scientifically proven

407
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:44,319
there we go cannot argue with that. Up next, we have Jamal Murray

408
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,920
at fourth. The fans had him
at third, which doesn't surprise me give

409
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,880
it as importance to the current iteration
of these Nuggets. You and I both

410
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,920
had him at fifth. I love
Jamal Murray's game. I don't think that's

411
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,440
any secret at this point, even
when the results haven't been there you know,

412
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,000
just the confidence with which he plays, the form of his jumper,

413
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:06,599
the swagger, the blue arrow celebration, like all that stuff has just has

414
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,359
made me very convinced that he is
going to be an absolute star in this

415
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,400
league. I think he's still trending
towards getting there. I definitely don't think

416
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,680
he's produced like that thus far,
but man, like, I've just always

417
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,640
loved his game. Yeah, he's
there. He has this Jr. Smith

418
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,119
Jean about him where he can both
win you and cost you playoff games,

419
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,200
and that happened in the playoffs last
year for the Nuggets. But he is

420
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,640
still incredibly young, and so the
hope can be that the efficiency for him

421
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,599
comes up. Still, He's really
one of the very few players on this

422
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,920
team that can hit an off the
dribble jumper with any zemblance of consistency.

423
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:48,920
I think there's probably untold value in
having a point guard who so comfortably just

424
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,599
plays off Nicole Yokich. Where we've
seen probably over the past two seasons that

425
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,279
yeah, Murray can lead some of
these units on his own, at least

426
00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:00,359
on the offensive end, but he's
so much better alongside you, Kitchen.

427
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,279
That's not going to happen with a
lot of other point cards because they're gonna

428
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,240
be so used to working with the
ball in their hands. And this year

429
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,039
he's really he's at least shooting a
career or say at least, but he's

430
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:14,599
shooting a career high on two pointers. And yeah, there's some variants in

431
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
his performance, but the fact that
you have someone who, like you talked

432
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,160
about, with his confidence, isn't
going to have a problem taking the biggest

433
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,880
shot in crunch time, and that
this player is still only twenty three,

434
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,319
just turned twenty three in February,
that's absolutely monstrous for your future. I

435
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:36,000
would not have given him a MAX
extension personally, I would, yet I

436
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,720
would have let that ride out to
restricted free agency and dared anybody to give

437
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,519
him that type of money over four
years or even three like the threat of

438
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,680
a shorter deal with a player option
wouldn't have scared me as much. But

439
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,599
I also respect the investment that the
Nuggets are showing in him and then their

440
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,559
ability to continue developing him. And
I don't think it's I don't think it's

441
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:59,440
impossible that this ends up being in
okay contract. You're never gonna look at

442
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,440
it as a value contract. I
think that very seldom happens with Max deals,

443
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,920
but he still has a chance to
live up to that billing, and

444
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,440
I was really excited to see and
hope we still get to see him in

445
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,799
the playoffs, just because I love
that. Maybe fans find it more frustrating

446
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,599
than not where there are these vanishing
acts down the stretch, but then he

447
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:19,799
can also put you on his back. But I kind of appreciate that variants

448
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,359
like I enjoy watching that, and
so he's a player that I find just

449
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:30,279
absolutely magnetic. On November five,
twenty sixteen, with five minutes and fourteen

450
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,079
seconds left in the first quarter,
Jamal Murray hit a three pointer against the

451
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,559
Detroit Pistons, and it was notable
because he had missed the first seventeen shots

452
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:42,680
of his career. And you know, that's ultimately irrelevant, like he's obviously

453
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,039
already bounced back to become a valuable
offensive player, but I think it kind

454
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,920
of speaks to how from day one, he's also been tasked with filling a

455
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,400
role that he wasn't necessarily ready for, just because the lack of playmakers on

456
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,160
this Denver team who could create their
own shots. Because he was simultaneously trying

457
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,079
to shore up his ball handling skills
which lagged behind which you might expect from

458
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,519
a point guard, while also learning
how to play off the ball with Jokich,

459
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,440
which is not something we typically see
from a one guard. There were

460
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:18,079
so many different hurdles that he's had
to overcome throughout his thus far brief career.

461
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,960
He only just turned twenty three that
I think ascending to this point already

462
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,880
is a huge positive and gives me
even more confidence that we have not yet

463
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,039
seen the best from him. My
only recommendation for him would be to maybe

464
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,559
watch what he posts on Instagram would
probably just be I'm sure he was just

465
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,880
hacked, right, Yeah, him
and Raymond Draymond Green both look at that.

466
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:47,039
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467
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number three for the Nuggets. Who
wasn't No. One because we had another

481
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,440
tie, this time a two way
tie for second place. One of the

482
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,240
two people tied was fourth for the
fans. He was second for both of

483
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:01,119
us, and that was Ty Lawson. Lawson's career in Denver did not end

484
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:07,799
on the highest of notes. After
multiple DUI rs, I think they chose

485
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,279
to part ways with him when it
was was clear. I believe that,

486
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,480
if I remember correctly, he was
also frustrated by them choosing another point guard

487
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:19,200
in the draft, and had like
a video during the draft of him complaining

488
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,359
or something that point guard was Jamal
Murray. Yeah, I was. I

489
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,960
was hoping you were going to finish
my sentence, but I guess we're not

490
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,720
that instinct just yet. We're trying. We're getting there, but yeah,

491
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:36,079
I mean what he did before the
unfortunate ending to his Denver tenure was was

492
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,480
pretty impressive. Like I feel like
he's one of those guys who we've largely

493
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:46,000
forgotten just how good and explosive he
was on offense, like a consistent twenty

494
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,400
ten threat, one of the better
passers in the league, blindingly fast,

495
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,640
just all of that, like he
made he was there before Denver really became

496
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,279
a true contender again if you would
consider them that now. But he made

497
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:07,559
those interim nuggets teams really fun.
Just an absolute bullet off the dribble so

498
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,199
quick, and you look at you
look at his size five to eleven and

499
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,440
the fact that he was better than
a coin toss finisher around the rim.

500
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,000
Just knowing really how to put you
know, if he's going to put more

501
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,360
arc on the shots or just really
figuring out how to get keep defenders on

502
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000
tilt so that he's not being as
heavily contested around the rim. Just really

503
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,639
scary to face and his peak.
I mean, you look at the four

504
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,519
seasons in Denver, he spent much
longer than that. They're total of six

505
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:39,039
seasons in Denver, but the four
seasons between twenty eleven and twenty fifteen sixteen

506
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:43,000
point four points per game, eight
assists, hit forty eight point four percent

507
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,920
of his twos, and shot almost
thirty six percent from three. He could

508
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,199
be a legitimate engine for an above
average offense. And just when when we

509
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,519
were first going through this, I
had just forgotten how good he was because

510
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:59,559
that's how far removed we seem from
Peake Tylsson. He hasn't played in the

511
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:04,599
NBA since twenty seventeen, when when
he was on the Kings, so I

512
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,559
think it's probably easy to forget how
good he was. But when he was

513
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,480
good, he was damn good.
One of the better players we've seen without

514
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,960
an All Star appearance, right,
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I

515
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,119
was trying to look up where he
is, and like wind Shares, among

516
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,800
players with no All Star appearances this
decade, he's only thirty fourth, But

517
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,840
I think that's a little unfair.
Just because we're limiting are we're extending the

518
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
time frame beyond when his career ended. So if we isolate that to twenty

519
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,000
ten eleven through twenty sixteen seventeen,
even including the period in which he declined

520
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,960
for other organizations, I'm still eleventh
among non All Stars and wind Shares,

521
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,679
which is pretty solid when he's not
playing for these contenders. I'm like,

522
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,840
you know, we see Serge Ibaka
and Marsine Gortatt and George Hill and David

523
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,360
West are on that list, like
those kind of guys who might not have

524
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,400
been as important to their teams as
Lawson was as the unquestionable offensive engine with

525
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,000
the Nuggets. But yeah, I
mean still obviously provided a lot of value

526
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:07,280
without really getting too much respect for
those efforts. Second in wins above replacement

527
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,639
for the Nuggets in this decade too, And that's nothing to slouch out.

528
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:15,599
It is not who is he tied
with. He was tied with Nilo Gallinari,

529
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,840
another another guy. Because I couldn't
decide who to put at two.

530
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,679
I ultimately went with Lawson, but
it was a struggle. We both have

531
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960
the same thought process, I think, because I also was trying to figure

532
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,000
out how I wanted to order those
two at two and three and ended up

533
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480
with Gallo at number three. The
fans did the reverse, they had those

534
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:37,039
two at two and three, but
Gallo did come out ahead at at number

535
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:44,079
two. Yeah. I mean,
maybe he would have been a guaranteed second

536
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,480
place finisher if he hadn't torn his
ACL in Denver, But it was like

537
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,880
the injury pro knock was always what
held him back, even though he was

538
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,239
so obviously a really excellent offensive player, one of the better shooters that we've

539
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,880
seen in a while, capable of
creating, capable of shooting over anyone in

540
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,960
underrated defender before the injuries kind of
sapped some of his athleticism. But there

541
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,159
was a time when he was first
coming over as as the centerpiece of the

542
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,840
return in the Carmelo Anthony deal died, he was like he was a semi

543
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,800
lockdown defender in addition to being a
reliable scorer. What I respect most about

544
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,000
his game. You know, you
mentioned what Ty Lawson's value is compared to

545
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:23,880
others who haven't made an All Star
Games, and El Gallanari, I would

546
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,719
imagine has to be up there too, would probably be higher than number thirty

547
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,039
four in that list. But what
I most appreciate about his game even as

548
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,400
time goes on and it's sort of
changed a little bit. Where As you

549
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,440
mentioned, with all the injuries,
he's definitely not as explosive as he once

550
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:42,679
was. He blurs the line between
primary scorer and compliment. His shot profile

551
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:46,840
is it's inclusive, like it's heavy
on spot up opportunities, but dotted with

552
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,920
these like reliable self creation looks.
And he has a penchant for getting to

553
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,320
the freeze a line. And that's
part of what makes him such an efficient

554
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,199
offensive weapon. He showed that time
and again in Denver. He carried it

555
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,760
over to the Clippers. He showed
it again with the Thunder. There's that

556
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,239
level of consistency there. What really
hurts him, it's just the availability had

557
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,320
he been healthier in Denver. You
know, we're talking about someone who I

558
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,559
think probably would have been my in
arguable number two, but just someone who

559
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:20,920
is so effectively able to straddle that
line between hey, we do need you

560
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,599
to create your own offense, but
you're also gonna have to play off not

561
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:25,719
just some people, but a bunch
of different people, and you still have

562
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,840
to be really impactful. I I
respect it. I've used the word respect

563
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,719
a lot in this podcast, but
Kila Gallanori is probably one of the more

564
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,400
underrated players of this just this specific
era, and I think there's a case

565
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,840
if he wanted to tell me that, hey, he belongs over ty Lawson

566
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,280
and you really shouldn't be waiting,
you know, minutes played or that type

567
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,039
of example, I might not provide
you with that much pushback because I do

568
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,320
think that he was closer to stardom
in Denver than thy Lawson was, maybe

569
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,199
maybe by a hair or maybe I'm
even wrong, just because thy Lawson had

570
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,679
more control over the offense as the
primary passer. But Daniel Grannari's just he's

571
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,079
still so damn good. And his
time in Denver, you know that that

572
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:12,519
mellow trade when you when you trace
back all the branches to what they ended

573
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,960
up receiving for it. I don't
know if you would say that he's a

574
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,480
worthwhile centerpiece because they didn't have a
ton of success with him there, but

575
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,280
he was just still really good,
really solid, and even now it was

576
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,840
like that while he was in Denver
and then even now he's he probably typifies

577
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,960
what we mean when we say a
fringe all star, like that's the type

578
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,199
of player that he is. So
speaking of fringe All Star, I've I've

579
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,840
really found that I enjoy putting you
on the spot during these during these episodes,

580
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,119
so we're gonna do it again.
Gallo is ninth place in wind Shares

581
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,079
from twenty ten eleven through the present
among players with zero All Star appearances?

582
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:57,280
Can you name the rest of the
top ten? Oh? No, I

583
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,280
wouldn't even be able to begin to
do. Are they players that have like

584
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,559
little experience where they didn't really have
a chance to make an All Star peers

585
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:12,400
just yet? Just looking through the
list, I think there are two three

586
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,800
guys who should have been All Stars
if the NBA did what it should and

587
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,360
expanded the rosters a little bit too
match the growing numbers of players in the

588
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,280
league as we've had more teams and
more guys cycling through roster spots. The

589
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,760
rest are like high end role players
who have been very good for at least

590
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,320
some portion of the decade. So
how many am I trying to name?

591
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,199
All ten? I've spotted you one
with Gallo? All right, Gallo,

592
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,960
my COMMI has to be on there. He is number two. Tobias Harris.

593
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:52,239
Tobias Harris is down at eighteen.
All right, I should probably just

594
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480
stop there because I'm already running out
of names. Gordon Hayward, do you

595
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,199
ever make an All Star appearance?
He did in Utah, Right, some

596
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:07,559
disrespect being thrown at Cordon Hayward from
me. What about Lou Williams. Lou

597
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:13,639
Williams is number ten? Okay,
I'm sorry. Did you how to make

598
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,400
it it? He did? He
made an Allstar apperience he did with Philly

599
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,159
right. Yeah, I got like
he's like twenty eleven twelve, right before

600
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,280
they'd moved him. I think I'm
already running out of names here. Derek

601
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,039
Bletso making All Star appearance? Uh, he did not, but he's down

602
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,719
at twenty fifth. Wow, I'm
really I'm really bad. It's this exercise.

603
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,159
I feel like you just need to
do. You want me to just

604
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,400
put you out of your misery here? Yes? Number one. Number one

605
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,679
is Sergebacca, okay. Number two
is Mike Conley. Number three is George

606
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,800
Hill. Number four is Marsteen Gore
Todt. Number five is Derreck Favors.

607
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,519
Six is JJ Reddick, seven is
Jonas Valancunas, eight is Greg Monroe.

608
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,400
And then you got nine and ten, which were Daniel o' gallinari and Lou

609
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:59,599
Williams. Wow, Greg Monroe,
Greg Monroe. Yeah, I mean,

610
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,639
like, can you tell me how
old Greg Monroe is? By the way,

611
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,719
Greg Monroe is still only like twenty
eight, right, Okay, I

612
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,840
was closer than you were on your
trivia question. That was a hard I

613
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,880
never would have gotten Gortat. That's
never, definitely, definitely not Gortat.

614
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:21,119
I was surprised you didn't get search. That seems like a fairly obvious one.

615
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,639
So, speaking of fairly obvious,
number one in our composite rankings was

616
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:30,480
drum roll here, Nicolai Yokich,
you surprised, stunned, shocked, flabbergasted.

617
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:35,480
I'm a little bit surprised because I
just feel like Randy Foy was staring

618
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,920
people right in the face. And
the fact that they no one gave Randy

619
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,800
Foy a single vote. Wow,
eleven minutes played for the Nuggets this decade,

620
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,199
he was and I believe that he
hit a like a buzzer beater in

621
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,599
double overtime or something to win one
game like five years ago. Yeah,

622
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,800
he deserved, he deserved at least
a vote a straggler, But no,

623
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,880
I didn't know what to say about
Yoki. She's the best passing big name

624
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,440
in the league history. What he
can do, and just some of the

625
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,079
dimes that he drops is just wild. You look at the full court heaves

626
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:12,239
that he could throw and just hit
guys and it's just there, always seem

627
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,679
to be on point. There's just
one handed dimes that that he drops.

628
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,639
He's an incredibly talented scorer too.
I know he's three point percentage of Waxton

629
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:25,519
Wayne during his time in Denver,
but he is an authentic threat from beyond

630
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,119
the arc. The way that he
can really just finesse but also bully his

631
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:34,079
way to the basket. He can
move with the ball in his hands and

632
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,320
put it on the floor a little
bit. He's not gonna face up Anthony

633
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,719
Davis style, but he does have
that that bandwidth in his offensive game.

634
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,800
He is right now, I'd say
he's a top five, no lower than

635
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,719
a top seven player in the NBA, and he's someone who should probably finish

636
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,480
in that area on the MVP ballot. And I just don't know what could

637
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,360
be said about him that just hasn't
already been set. Just one of the

638
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,360
most valuable players in the game right
now, and the fact that you know

639
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,679
you end up getting him with the
number forty one pick that's going to go

640
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,920
down. Is one of the best
second round picks in NBA history. I'm

641
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,159
trying to think of who would definitely
be in front of him right now you've

642
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,320
managed nobly is going to be there. Do you put Draymond Green in front

643
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,960
of him? But he's going to
go down? Is easily one of the

644
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,960
I would say, between three and
five best second round picks in NBA history,

645
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,159
unless I'm forgetting someone just super glaring. All right, So give me

646
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,440
a second to climb up on my
soapbox here. So we need to address

647
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:37,960
the people who still want to say
that Yokich is a bad defender. I

648
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,320
think that that is the only remaining
misconception about his game, and it stems

649
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,440
from his inability to stop guards in
isolation when he switched onto them, and

650
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,400
he doesn't really block a lot of
shots or serve as a primary rim protector.

651
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,519
But the Nuggets are consistently far better
on defense with him on the court.

652
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,079
And just watching Nuggets game and focus
only on him, don't watch the

653
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,320
ball, don't watch who ever is
dribbling, don't watch where it's passed.

654
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,239
To just focus on Yokich and you
see how much he does in between those

655
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:13,719
terminuses of offensive possessions. He consistently
deters passing lanes, he consistently makes the

656
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,719
right rotations, and those things matter
so much in addition to his growing communication

657
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,280
on that end of the floor.
Like, I don't think that he needs

658
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,559
to be a player who is talked
about as an offensive powerhouse who is a

659
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:30,159
defensive liability, because he has consistently
proven that that is not the case,

660
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:35,000
and it really hasn't been the case
even dating back to the early portions of

661
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,800
his career. He's slow, he's
not traditionally athletic, but he is an

662
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:45,039
effective defensive player. He's not traditionally
athletic. I like it. Look he's

663
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,719
I think he does a lot of
things that deserve to be counted as athleticism.

664
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,239
I mean, you've seen the water
polo inspired rebound and quick passes where

665
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,559
he doesn't even have to touch the
ball with a secondhand, like that kind

666
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,239
of stuff, The coordination, those
are all ex amples of athleticism. It's

667
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,559
just not run fast, jump high, right. I totally agree with you.

668
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,239
He's also something looks like he very
much enjoys the off seasons, and

669
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,480
that's something that I that I can
appreciate. But good for him. Yeahr

670
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:15,360
in Serbia or the there was the
video that surface where he was just like

671
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,559
shirtless dancing like in the woods or
something like some weird for him. Good

672
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:23,760
for him. But anyway, to
your point on his defense there, what

673
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,000
I think people also forget is there
there's value in ending possessions with a rebound,

674
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,679
and Nicole Yogicch is a good defensive
rebounder, so he's limiting second chance

675
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:36,480
opportunities while he's on the floor.
And look, there's a lot of just

676
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,880
noise. Ben Taylor has done a
great job on this talking about the real

677
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,760
value offensive rebound of rebounding in general, but there's still value in making sure

678
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,480
opponents don't get second looks on the
offensive end. He helps with that element.

679
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,840
And then also, and you kind
of talked about this, he has

680
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,360
the IQ to kind of work in
these like more aggressive schemes that the Nuggets

681
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,039
had had tried out I think probably
more prevalent last season and then then this

682
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,760
season, like he just has the
length where he can get up on guys

683
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,360
and you know, maybe it burned
you time and again, but he's going

684
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,239
to get in there and forced some
steels, poke aways, some balls,

685
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,280
really party crash passing lanes by doing
that. I don't know that that makes

686
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,960
him this incredibly valuable defender, but
to call him this outright liability, now

687
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,559
it's misinformation. I do think that
the number of people who are still buying

688
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,559
into that is diminishing. It's just
not as small as it should be if

689
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:28,320
this is a sign of progress.
It wasn't even something that I felt about

690
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,679
talking about before, like addressing his
defense, So the fact that you brought

691
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:36,639
it up it still matters clearly,
But like you said, it's a diminishing

692
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,719
stance. Yeah, I mean,
at this point, I think the most

693
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:45,320
compelling conversation about Yokich is not really
his place within the current league wide hierarchy

694
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:46,800
or his defense, but it's it's
really like, is he going to be

695
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,079
the best player in this franchise's history? I mean, Denisel, Alex English,

696
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,320
Fat Lever to kem By Mutambo,
like there have been Bobby Jones,

697
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,760
David Thompson, like there have been
some big names throughout history. But you

698
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,119
have to think, like the fact
that he is on pace to spend his

699
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,880
entire career here, and I'm certain
that the front office is going to want

700
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
to keep him in Denver as long
as possible. And the trajectory that he's

701
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,199
on that is unquestionably a Hall of
Fame trajectory. I feel like it's pretty

702
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,760
hard to argue against him definitely not
yet being there, but being on pace

703
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,239
to take the gold home for this
franchise and of all time, not just

704
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,519
in the last decade. The way
he plays since the future is going to

705
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,840
wait heavily, and what you just
said, it looks like it should age

706
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,800
well his style and maybe he becomes
maybe he really becomes a defensive problem for

707
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,480
the Nuggets as he gets older,
but just what he does on offense,

708
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,639
I feel like that should all age
well for him, just based on the

709
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:45,039
way he plays. It's like Arvinus
Tabonus is probably a good comparison here,

710
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:46,840
where you know, he came to
the NBA as a thirty one year old,

711
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:52,440
and deep into his thirties, he
was still an obviously effective offensive player

712
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,639
just because he was a brilliant passer. He was a capable shooter from mid

713
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,719
range, even extending it out to
three point range sometimes, and I think

714
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,199
that's the floor for an older version
of Yokig. It's not like he runs

715
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,840
the floor well already. Maybe he
won't be fast enough to get some of

716
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,760
those frustration foules that he gets.
It holds him back. Now. Yeah,

717
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,840
maybe he's not leading as many fast
breaks, but like you said,

718
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,519
he could just do those one hand
and rebound catches. Just throw it down

719
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,639
court. Actually save himself some energy. Maybe he doesn't have to get up

720
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:22,719
for down the floor. Honorable mentions, let's get into them. Yeah,

721
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,519
I thought this was This was cool
because there were fewer of them than we've

722
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:29,480
seen with other teams, and I
think it's a testament as counterintuitive as it

723
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,960
initially seems. I think the lack
of depth and the honorable mentions was a

724
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,519
testament to the quality of the options
at the back end of the top ten

725
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,840
just because people It didn't seem like
people were scrambling for names to fill out

726
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,559
the back of their ballot like we've
been doing with the Charlotte Hornets or the

727
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:51,480
Atlanta Hawks. So yeah, we
only had twenty six different players received votes.

728
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,719
We've gone over all of them that
were in the top ten. So

729
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,960
we had Chauncey Billups at eleven,
which I think is valid to give him

730
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,159
some credit, assuming I have my
timeline, right. I don't think he

731
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,039
spent much time in Denver during this
decade, right, No, he came

732
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,079
over in Uh did you spend any
he traded it, Yeah, he's traded.

733
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,719
He was in the Yeah, he
was in the Mellow trade. So

734
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,480
similar to Mellow there, we had
andre Igodala at twelve, who I really

735
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,400
had trouble picking between him and a
Flllow from my tenth spot, just because

736
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,840
of how important he was to that
fifty seven win team that that was setting

737
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,280
records at home, that went to
the playoffs. But then the way he

738
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,039
exited and joined the Golden State Warriors
right after they beat him, I don't

739
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:42,079
think he he made fans within the
Denver fan base with that move. So

740
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,440
it was it was tough for me
to put him in because of the intangibles

741
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,000
there. And I don't know if
you had a similar struggle. I didn't

742
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,719
have that same struggle, but everyone's
mad at Kevin Durant for doing it.

743
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,320
Andre Goodala had the first go to
the Warriors. He'll turn after a steph

744
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,239
hug too. Yeah. Yeah,
So after Iggy, we had Aaron a

745
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,440
Flllow at thirteen. We've already talked
about him. We had Kenyan Martin at

746
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,039
fourteen, we had Andre Miller at
fifteen, we had Nane Hilario at sixteen.

747
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,559
We had Alan Iverson, who did
not play during this decade at seventeen

748
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,559
didn't again, like didn't just not
play for the Nuggets, but didn't play

749
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,159
in the NBA in general. But
Alan Iverson is awesome and embraces the new

750
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:21,519
generation of players and supports them,
and therefore I think it's valid that we're

751
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,679
supporting him here. I like that
he got to vote. Wait to finesse

752
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,679
that in there. Yeah, I
don't know if that was a bit of

753
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,719
a stretch, but I'll take it. In a tie for eighteenth, we

754
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,000
have Malik Beasley, which I would
I want to be clear that I did

755
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,920
not vote for Malik Beasley. This
is not my doing, This was other

756
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:42,039
people. And then he was tied
with Mason Plumley. He was surprised by

757
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:45,280
either of those. Not really,
I'm surprised that Monte Morris didn't end up

758
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,079
number one on your ballot, but
I thought about it, but then I

759
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:52,400
had to knock him down. So
we had a big tie for twentieth.

760
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:57,639
Michael Porter Junior, who seems pretty
certain to climb further up this list moving

761
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:02,639
forward. Costa Kufast was also tied
for twentyeth with Jamir Nelson, Marcus Camby,

762
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,719
Marcus Camby and Evan Fournier, who
I thought would be a little bit

763
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,480
higher as well, and then tied
for twenty fifth we had Monte Morris and

764
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,920
Timofey Moskov. Noel Harrington love,
Noel Harrington Love. But yeah, I

765
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,599
mean, like just looking at these
guys, like, you know, I

766
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:24,119
can see arguments for having Nana,
for having a FLAA, which we did,

767
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,119
for having Mason Plumley, for having
Malik Beasley, maybe even Morris and

768
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,360
Moskov, who was who was pretty
valuable, I mean valuable enough that he

769
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,800
inked the Albatross contract in twenty sixteen
because of what he did in Denver.

770
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,960
Yeah, they traded, They traded
in form multiple first round picks. Yeah.

771
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,119
If you look at let's say,
the players who rank fiftieth or better

772
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,960
in minutes played for the Nuggets this
decade, there's just a lot of names

773
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,679
that stand out and you look at
saying, well, they were they were

774
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,000
a good NBA player, and the
Nuggets actually had them while they were good.

775
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,400
Just a lot of rock solid talent
across the board here. For Denver,

776
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,679
I think it's because their worst season
was thirty and fifty two. You

777
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:08,440
know they haven't their best season is
in progress. Yeah no, I said

778
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,360
the Knicks best season is thirty Oh
yeah yeah, uh yeah. There.

779
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,559
It's one of just the more probably
underrated talent farms in the NBA when you're

780
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,159
just looking at franchises. I mean, some of these they didn't groom all

781
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,760
these guys when you're going up and
down the list. But Evan forming someone

782
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,599
who was really good with the Nuggets
before he ends up in in Orlando.

783
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,159
So there's just I'm looking at these
names that ranked fifty if they're better minutes

784
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,639
again, so many stand out is
oh hey they were they were good basketball

785
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,519
players. And not only were they
good basketball players, but they weren't these

786
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:42,760
nobodies when they were in Denver.
For the most part, a lot of

787
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,199
talent here. This is this is
a fun one to try to figure out,

788
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,920
just because there were so many legitimate
options throughout the ballot. Yes,

789
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,320
this was fun. When we resume, we will be onto the Detroit Pistons,

790
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,119
which I imagine will be less fun. But I haven't gotten into the

791
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,440
research for it yet. Yeah.
I think we're gonna have to talk a

792
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,559
lot about Andre Drummond. Yeah,
that's gonna be rough. So so until

793
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,559
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794
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:12,159
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795
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,320
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796
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:21,039
I leave you with the shout out
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797
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:30,519
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798
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799
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