WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:18.839 so like say subscribe and rain it five stock and me right, just go 3 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:26.719 on yesterday and listening, oh, watching them always keep its watching. And 4 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:32.000 now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay, Hey, Bobes. What's 5 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.240 happening to men? Not much, it's going out to you, Cliff. 6 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:38.159 Oh, just another day in Paradise. It's like sixty degrees. It's drizzling 7 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.679 outside. It's pretty cool. I love this weather fault. I think it's 8 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:44.560 probably my favorite time of year. It's just so pretty and that. I 9 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:48.359 love the temperatures and the rain. It's great. It's definitely my favorite time 10 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.880 of the year. First sure, and yeah, I just got back yesterday 11 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:56.960 from uh went out for a couple of days. We went squatching and getting 12 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:00.240 wood, and we ended up traveling way out, way way out, like 13 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.560 jeez, I think we took like two hundred two hours and forty five minutes 14 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:08.480 northeast. He went out above some's bar until we found some standing dead madrone. 15 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.840 It like god, it was like fifty six hundred feet or something, 16 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.680 and we ended up camping up there. And it was supposed to be like 17 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.159 really warm, but it was so high up we got pretty frozen. It 18 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.079 was pretty freezing. But yeah, we ended up got two cords in one 19 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.359 day. It was kind of all the easy stuff was people had gotten. 20 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.359 So we had to like and we did. We forgot our chains to like 21 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.560 choke them out, you know, to choke out the haul out of any 22 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.560 like logs, especially on a downhill slope. So we were just having a 23 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.560 We drove and drove and drove till we got way up and then we found 24 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.239 some up there. So we got a couple of cords, but we gotta 25 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.439 go get some more. We're gonna get some more. They were gonna go 26 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:49.840 out Highway thirty six back to that spot. We go down out there on 27 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.640 the east side. Yeah, well west of the five, but east of 28 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.359 the one on one. Wow. Wow, that's a long ways out, 29 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.560 and that's a long ways out for you. But God, nobody's down there. 30 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.719 Nobody's down there at all. And there's been a couple of things that 31 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.319 have gone down within eight miles that spot. We used to camp all the 32 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.840 time. And uh so there's two spot, two things that have been going 33 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.439 on down there, and this we're gonna go there and uh, there's there's 34 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.120 a lot of wood down there, majorone and stuff. So we're gonna go 35 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.400 down and get some madrone and then do a couple of days squatching. Yeah 36 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.360 you do. I mean you must be big footing while you're out there, 37 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.240 I guess right, Oh yeah, for sure. I mean at night I 38 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.719 love. Yeah. The other night though, it was so beautiful and it 39 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.319 was so warm from that ridge before it dropped cold. We were we were 40 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:35.879 like at a sat We were up three hundred and sixty degree view just of 41 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.639 the whole like Marble Mountains and wilderness and Trinity Alps, and it was like 42 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:45.159 a three quarter moon and it was just so beautiful. End we were we 43 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.360 were just playing music and we heard something come around. I think it was 44 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:51.719 deer, but because it was so we were so high up, I couldn't 45 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.759 imagine I think, being up there, like you know, end of October 46 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.879 getting to November, I don't see something squatch hanging out, you know, 47 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:01.360 above five six thousand. We were like, yeah, like fifty seven hundreds, 48 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.360 I think, you know, I don't think there are about four thousand 49 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:09.240 at the highest this time, especially with the still head around going and a 50 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:13.879 few salmon. Yeah, we got no salmon fishing this year. There's no 51 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:15.960 salmon fishing it all down here. Oh yeah, I'm not sure what's going 52 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:17.960 on here. I hear they're in the river right now, but I keep 53 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.879 hearing about coho and that's about it. But I did hear catch a lot 54 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.199 of the news about a bad salmon here and stuff for all the entire Pacific 55 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:29.639 Northwest, which includes you, of course. Oh but dude, they're catching 56 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.520 fricking I see my buddy's buddy holding a He sent hum a picture of it. 57 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.919 When I was talking on one hundred and seventy five blue fin eight miles 58 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:39.960 off the Eureka Like five boats went out the smallest the way they were catching, 59 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.479 we're like over one hundred and twenty five and up to twenty five. 60 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.280 Oh geez, that's those are big, big fish. I've heard the blue 61 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.719 fin in southern California have not left like for a year, two or three 62 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.680 or something. It's a ridiculous fight down there. And of course blue fin 63 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.439 are cold water SPEEDI or not cold, and they're a little bit of everything 64 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.400 water species actually cool. Yeah, they can do the pretty well in cool 65 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.159 water as well as the tropical stuff like down by Guadaloupe Island and stuff. 66 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:06.800 But fishing is fishing mountains. You aren't going to catch him unless you go. 67 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.159 It's like bigfooting in a lot of ways. I wish I can get 68 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:13.639 out there. But yeah, if I talked to you since my Tennessee gig, 69 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:15.439 I don't think so. Yeah, I went out to Tennessee Gig, 70 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.759 and of course you know, good stories set her and stuff. But I 71 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.959 guess the most important thing that I wanted to bring up there. Maybe this 72 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:25.560 will ring a bell if I told you Melissa got scared into the house while 73 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.319 I was gone by something big and heavy outside. No. Yeah, I 74 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.600 remember a couple of years ago. I don't remember the date, but I 75 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.759 think it was two thousand and eighteen or much been nineteen. I was out. 76 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:40.360 I was on expedition with doctor Meldrum out here in the mountainod National Forest, 77 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.639 and I happened to catch a reception a little bit. I checked out 78 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.759 with Melissa one night, and because she was home alone at that point, 79 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.759 and she says something scared her inside the house. Coyotes are around. She 80 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.399 goes, oh, coyotes, blah blah blah. And then like thirty minutes 81 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:57.319 later, twenty minutes later, something went boom on the lawn and just this 82 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.519 huge thudding noise that she felt in her chest. And she was out on 83 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.000 the porch at the time, and she she basically goes, what the hell 84 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.680 is that? And went inside and closed all the curtains and said what do 85 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:09.839 I do? And I said count yourself lucky and listen, you know, 86 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:14.360 which didn't help her at all. Poor thing was probably scared. But anyway, 87 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.639 she was out this time about two weeks ago or something like that, 88 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.279 because I haven't spoken to you for a while, I don't think, and 89 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.800 if I did, I didn't she You know, we just had this Halloween 90 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.480 party this past weekend. I don't know if you. I was trying to 91 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.160 make it. If I could, there was no way. I mean, 92 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:30.560 I thought I might be able to do well. From what I remember, 93 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:35.879 it was a pretty good party. Just leave it like that. But she 94 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.639 she made a haunted house under the deck with all of her props and sound 95 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.079 effects and this, and made a little story out of it and all this 96 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:45.319 a studden. It was a wonderful, cute little thing. I've got a 97 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:46.800 video of it. Maybe I'll ask Matt Prue to put that on her member 98 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.199 section for people. But when she was out, she was out there like 99 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.160 a dusk her jess post dusk. You know, it was getting pretty dark, 100 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.639 which is pretty rare from Melissa because she's scared to go outside at night. 101 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.720 She was out there and then she over at the same area over by 102 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:02.720 the apple trees on the other side of the property, not that far away. 103 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:08.600 She once again she heard a boom, like this big thud right and 104 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:15.639 she goes what she stopped, and then she heard boom, boom boom off 105 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.879 into the brush. She heard this like big, heavy, heavy, heavy 106 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:24.079 footsteps off into the brush away from the property, down towards the power lines. 107 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.160 And I just I got word of that, and I go, holy 108 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.120 smokes, they might be back. That's that interesting. So is there a 109 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.759 tree that it could have jumped out of and landed and then stopped off or 110 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.199 I think it just was a foot stop. I don't. I mean, 111 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.319 I don't know. I wish I would have heard it. If I would 112 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.560 have heard it, i'd probab might have a better answer for that question. 113 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.199 But since I don't know, I just don't know. Yeah, So I 114 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.199 don't that's something I wanted to share with you. I mentioned the Halloween party. 115 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.040 It was great, by the way, a lot of fun. Other 116 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.600 than that, man, I went out once. I found two possible footprints 117 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.839 over at Easter Island, and not quite sure, but they're like the things 118 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.079 were pushed down and they had the right shape, but or whatever. But 119 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:00.519 nothing you can take to the bank. So I'm just putting in the maybe 120 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.399 pile, not even adding that to the database at this point, you know. 121 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.879 And other than and I guess the other cool thing I wanted to share 122 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.439 is just earlier today, less than an hour ago, I was talking to 123 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:14.240 Neil Beck, the the what is it, the great nephew of Fred Beck. 124 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:16.920 Yeah, and it was my great pleasure to tell him that the Ape 125 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.800 Canyon mine had been rediscovered, because he had not heard that yet. Oh 126 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.800 he had is so is his cousins were the ones that rediscovered? Isn't it 127 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.120 his cousins or I guess I don't really know how family like that works, 128 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.120 but I know it was the great grandsons of one of the miners. But 129 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:35.480 it wasn't one of the Beck. It wasn't Beck, It wasn't in the 130 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.199 Beck family. I think it was the Smiths. Or somebody. I don't 131 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.240 remember the family. But it wasn't the Becks who found who rediscovered the cabinet. 132 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.680 It was a great grandsons of one of the other miners. Yeah, 133 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:49.600 but there, but those guys were like cousins or nephew and you know, 134 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.160 nephew and uncle or something like. There was some of the original four five 135 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:59.199 eight Canyon miners were I think three of them were related. Oh I don't 136 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.959 know. I mean, Kalama was a small town back then. Maybe most 137 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.279 of them were related, who knows. But anyway, Yeah, so I 138 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.959 got the pleasure of speaking with him, and I asked him he has these 139 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.000 photographs I guess of the cabin Maybe he says, yeah, remember having those 140 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.959 of my stuff somewhere. When I unpack him, I'll let you know. 141 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.600 I asked him about him and then he hasn't He hasn't run across those yet. 142 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.800 But I'm gonna keep calling and asking him because in the museum here, 143 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.560 I'm upstairs at the museum right now, in the museum here, in twenty 144 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.000 twenty four, we're going to do a year long celebration of the one hundredth 145 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.799 anniversary of the Ape Canyon incident. So pretty excited about that. That's cool, 146 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.039 very cool, very cool. We gonna have some artifacts on display. 147 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.000 We have some cool The Beck family has lent me some official documents and whatnot 148 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.159 on which Fred Beck has written his autograph and his wife had written her autographs 149 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.799 like land aids and stuff like that. So there's gonna be some never before 150 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.799 seen artifacts on display, really really cool stuff. So NABC in twenty twenty 151 00:08:54.799 --> 00:09:01.159 four all year long and Ape Canyon celebration gonna get ap cool as if I'm 152 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.600 not apy enough. All right, what was on the docket for today? 153 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:07.440 Oh, I'm so pleased. This has taken a while to get together. 154 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.480 It's taken a while to get together. We've got a good friend on the 155 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:16.080 podcast today, and I kind of managed this through my wife because Melissa has 156 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.679 become good friends with her as well because of their heritage Pittsburgh Ian. But 157 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.799 yeah, today we have paranormal investigator at all around cool person, Heather Taddy 158 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.440 on the show. Heather. Well, we'll get into what Heather is and 159 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.399 when I'll let her tell us frankly, because I mean I just know her 160 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.559 as a person. I don't even I don't know that much about her career. 161 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:37.960 I do know that she was on Paranormal State back in the day. 162 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.440 That's the show I've heard of, and I might even seen part of an 163 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.919 episode, which is big for me. But Heather, thanks so much for 164 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.320 taking some time and coming to spend it with Cliff and Bobo. Thanks for 165 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.279 having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on board. You were part of 166 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:56.120 Paranormal State? Was that the Pennsylvania college kids? Yeah, so it was 167 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:00.480 based off of the Penn State Paranormal Research Society, which was a student club 168 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.679 back by the university at Penn State, and I had started going to meetings. 169 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.759 But how I found out about them was I found out they ran this 170 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:13.080 huge academic paranormal conference called Unicorn and like the early two thousands, and they'd 171 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:18.639 have like Lorraine Warren there, they'd have famous parapsychologists Jay and Grant would be 172 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:20.759 there from Ghot Hunters, because that was kind of around the time when their 173 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.360 show came out. But I was like super impressed because it was truly like 174 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.759 it was very academic based and it was like put together really well. So 175 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.399 I was studying at Penn State for like a French test and I just came 176 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:39.320 across this article that was like literally this newspaper. The school newspaper was like 177 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:43.960 open to this spread that highlighted this club, and I had transferred up to 178 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.120 the main campus and I just kind of kept the article and joined the club. 179 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.960 And I had no idea what turned into a television series at all. 180 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.600 I just joined it because I wanted to start training to be a field investigator, 181 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.200 and I really just wanted to gain access to haunted locations so that I 182 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.559 could see stuff. So you started showing up to the meetings. Were there 183 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.080 cameras there? And he kind of said, what is this or what did 184 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.879 it morph into it? Over time? No? So I guess two years 185 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.600 before I had joined, they had filmed a pilot for a potential series. 186 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:20.399 This like Emmy Award winning producer discovered the club because Ryan, the old who 187 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.320 started the club in like two thousand and one, he assisted the police on 188 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.600 this missing person's case in State College, Pennsylvania, and he suggested the use 189 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.039 of a psychic and that kind of became the basis for a different series. 190 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.360 And then they wanted to do a series where they followed the club around helping 191 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.639 families. So I didn't know about any of that, you know, going 192 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:43.879 to these meetings, I just went to these meetings. They were at a 193 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.159 building on campus like every Sunday night, and I didn't know anyone there, 194 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:50.840 and it was just this very interesting group of people, maybe like ten to 195 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.159 fifteen people, and we just shared our experiences and talked about famous cases, 196 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.600 and then I found out about the training program. It just seemed like a 197 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:05.799 really legit club. Like the manual for the club was like this huge pamphlet. 198 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.240 It was it was really serious, and I was really surprised to see 199 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.639 that a college could put that together and was so serious about it. So 200 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.039 that's kind of why I had joined the club. But like, I've just 201 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.919 always been interested in the subject of everything paranormal. So when I found out 202 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:22.559 there was a club that I could go to and like learn more about it 203 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.559 and actually be able to gain access to places, I was like, Oh, 204 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:30.440 sign me up. And then about the sixth meeting. In six or 205 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.559 seventh meeting, I noticed a new face in the room and it ended up 206 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.960 being one of the producers and they were handing out these pamphlets. And then 207 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.360 the next day I saw these signs all over campus advertising like, Hey, 208 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:45.279 do you want to go to haunted places and be part of like a docu 209 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.200 series that we'll be on A and E. And you know, I was 210 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.240 a part of the club and I had been going through the training process and 211 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.240 it was a really like really difficult process because you had to take all these 212 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:00.960 extra tests quizzes, and it was like adding another class onto your curriculum. 213 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.320 So I went through it and ended up me and Katrina Widman were the only 214 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.559 two that like made it through because it had like a seventy five percent dropout 215 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.440 rate, and we made it through, and then we had tried out for 216 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.279 the show and then we got casts and we were the two that they cast 217 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:18.879 besides like three other people that were already like part of the club that started 218 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:20.360 it. You must have just thought, like, holy smokes, my life 219 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.440 has taken a strange turn. Yeah, it was weird. And I remember, 220 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:26.679 like, you know, I studied film in college, I studied French. 221 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.360 I always knew I would do something with film or TV because I just 222 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.080 kind of grew up. I grew up doing these like weird commercials for like 223 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.919 local radio stations and stuff in my hometown. And when I was like a 224 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.240 teenager, I was just obsessed with stealing my mom's video camera and just like 225 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.960 filming these ridiculous skits with my friends and just documenting like every moment of my 226 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.559 life. So then I kind of used that in my investigating to try to 227 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.879 catch evidence, because that's you know why I got onto all this because of 228 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:00.399 the stories and just being really fascinated that we don't have all the answers, 229 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.360 but like, I just really wanted to see stuff that blew my mind and 230 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:09.159 stuff that really challenged my beliefs. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with 231 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:18.639 Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Did you shay 232 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.320 them that blew your mind? Yeah? I mean I kind of went into 233 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.360 it pretty skeptical, but then we worked on a lot of really serious client 234 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.200 cases on paranormal state, like in the early days, and that kind of 235 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.000 swayed me more to be a believer because I did experience some things. I 236 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.919 think one of the most one of the early things I experienced was we were 237 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:43.679 at this haunted schoolhouse. It was like a schoolhouse that they had remodeled into 238 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.240 like apartments, and this woman had all these experiences. We brought in a 239 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.399 priest to bless the house, and her apartment was kind of set up like 240 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.519 a loft, and I remember sitting on this couch facing these cabinets in the 241 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.559 kitchen, and while the priest ups Stare was doing a blessing, this cabinet 242 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.960 was closed. But this cabinet, it wasn't angled, there was nothing sticking 243 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.159 to it that could have caused it to like open. But it literally just 244 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:15.000 it didn't fly open, but it slowly just like opened right in front of 245 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.200 us, right across from me. And I tried everything I could to like 246 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.159 debunk it. We tried taking off the cabinet, but it was just it 247 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.879 coincided with like a really weird moment when the priest was doing this like house 248 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.080 blessing. So that was one of the very first things. And then where 249 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.279 I was like, I have no explanation for that. Then I got touched 250 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:39.240 one time at this location when I had no explanation and there was nothing in 251 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:43.639 my way that could have caused that. I was leaning up against this bathroom 252 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.679 in this house in Oregon where this woman had seen this headless ghost walk back 253 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.039 and forth. She always felt like she was being watched, and I was, 254 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.519 I was. We did this thing called dead time where we would like 255 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.759 turn off all the electronics have as little people as possible in the space to 256 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.120 avoid like interfering with noises and things, and we would just try to attempt 257 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.759 spirit communication. And I was always the one on the show that would put 258 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.240 myself in situations alone with a camera because I was always just like the brave 259 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.720 person to do that. So I was in this bathroom where this client always 260 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.360 felt uncomfortable, and I was leaning against the sink and my arms were stretched 261 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.399 out and I just felt something touch my elbow enough for me to bend it, 262 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.279 and I had it all on camera so that you could see there was 263 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.600 just like nothing around me. So those were two like earlier experiences. And 264 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:37.080 like we we would stay the night in the client's houses during like the first 265 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:41.200 through second season because it would allow us to kind of immerse ourselves more in 266 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.200 the environment and have more experiences. And I remember just like trying to fall 267 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.039 asleep, and before that, I had never slept in any kind of haunted 268 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:51.720 house. I didn't grow up in a haunted house. I had zero experiences. 269 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.799 And I remember like hearing noises that I couldn't explain and not being able 270 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.679 to sleep, and just like hearing something walk in the hall, and I 271 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.880 remember from then on, I just started wearing earplugs to sleep. Yes, 272 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.480 I still wear earplugs to this day when I sleep. Class. Yeah, 273 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.400 the big Foot world, if you get touched on the elbow, it's like 274 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.119 third base. I want to come big foot hunting with you, guys. 275 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.279 I would love to whenever you're out here, you know. I mean you're 276 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:22.680 friends with the entire family now, so you've got a place to stay. 277 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.039 If you ever want to come out, you're always welcome. That would be 278 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:26.759 so fun. I want to go. I want to go squatching. Yeah, 279 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:30.119 and some of our best spots are within an hour of the house too, 280 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.279 right. I mean, as you heard in our preamble here that you 281 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.519 don't even really have to leave the property sometimes some nights. So that's so 282 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.880 cool. Yeah, if that's what it was that she heard. You know, 283 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.119 so all the good stuff happens when I'm gone. I wish I was, 284 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.480 you know. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, or 285 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.839 you know, maybe who knows, who knows? What's Are you on a 286 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.440 show right? Currently? Are you on a show now? So? I 287 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:56.880 guest star on this show on the CW called Mysteries Decoded, where they kind 288 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:03.000 of explore different everything ranging from cryptozoology UFOs to just like famous haunted places. 289 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.640 And I've guests started on three episodes so far. One of them premiered. 290 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.240 We did Dulce Bass out in New Mexico. Oh yeah, yeah, by 291 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.880 dulcein New Mexico. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. We have a good bigfoot 292 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.240 friends that live out in that direction. Oh cool, it's an interesting place. 293 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.920 I did that episode for their season two. And then there's season three, 294 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.480 which haven't premier hasn't premiered yet. I did two episodes for that. 295 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:32.039 But I film and produce a series with Katrina Widman called Travel the Dead on 296 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:36.279 YouTube. We have about five episodes up right now. We just premiered part 297 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:41.240 one of this haunted farm we investigated and those those are free on YouTube. 298 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.640 So that's kind of my focus. Now. I thought you were grateful Dead 299 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.119 or something. Oh no, that would be funny. It makes sense. 300 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.759 So yeah, Travel the Dead, Yeah, I never I never put that 301 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.960 together. That's really funny. They just traveled the West Coast to see the 302 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.880 dead personally. Maybe we can have Bob We're guest star one over episode. 303 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:10.640 Oh yeah, and call it weird or weird far weird so you mentioned that 304 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.759 you like, you're one of these people that isolates yourself and goes into these 305 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:18.799 haunted situations alone. Do you do you think from your experience or what the 306 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.400 experience of those who you trust, that that is better to do that, 307 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.640 Like it affects the outcomes, like you get better results or or does it 308 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.599 change anything at all? From my experience, I think so, because you're 309 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:36.559 putting yourself in a more vulnerable position, you don't have as many distractions, 310 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.400 especially when you're in a house all alone, you know, because a lot 311 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:42.599 of times, you know, working on if we're you know, talking about 312 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:48.559 working on certain TV shows, It's it's hard when you have people that haven't 313 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.400 ghost hunted before. Because I notice this even on like public ghost hunts at 314 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.000 events that I do, that people just move around so much and they don't 315 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:02.440 realize they're doing it. So when you're in a situation alone, that's honestly, 316 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.160 I prefer that because it opens you up more and you don't have distractions, 317 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:08.559 and like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, 318 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.319 how do you do that? Aren't you scared? I'm just kind of 319 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.160 like, I mean, of course, any anything in the paranormal field is 320 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.359 scared because we don't really know what's going to happen, and we don't really 321 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.799 have answers for everything. So yeah, it gets scary. But like I'm 322 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.880 way more fascinated by it, and I want to put myself in situations so 323 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.440 that I can have experiences and not be you know, not running into the 324 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.799 other room. That seems totally crazy to me, just so you know, 325 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.400 because yeah, for me, the whole ghost thing in general is bewildering to 326 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.079 me. Like I understand wanting to hunt, you know, or to chase 327 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.759 down and try to see giant ape men. To me, that makes perfect 328 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.359 sense for some reason. But to fiddle around with things you can't see, 329 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:49.759 that you don't understand, and all that other stuff, and it's like totally 330 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:53.599 bewildering to me. And I'm glad you do it, not putting it, 331 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.880 putting that idea down at all. As you know, Melissa's totally into that, 332 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.920 the whole thing. I'm one hundred percent behind it. In fact, 333 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.559 I didn't this is something I did. I forgot to mention, you know 334 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.039 how for the museum membership, we do these two videos, two video documentaries 335 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.039 every single month for our members. I just got on Halloween, I published 336 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.000 the last one, which is the one I edited together. We did a 337 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:18.440 ghost hunt here in the in the in the Bigfoot Museum because pretty much every 338 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.559 single one of the employees except for me and the manager Nico, has had 339 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.720 something weird happen, and that includes Melissa. You know, we're coming in 340 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.000 the morning and things are off the shelf and like magnets, like these really 341 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480 strong magnets that there's no way that like are hard to pull off there on 342 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:36.400 the ground in the morning, that sort of stuff. Dave, one of 343 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:38.599 our employees, saw something or thought he saw somebody right behind him. When 344 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.079 he turned he wasn't there. So for you know, we for these two 345 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.160 videos every month for our members. We always do big Foot stuff, usually 346 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.359 our field investigations or deep dives into evidence. But once a year Melissa takes 347 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.440 control and so she says, you know what, this year, we're doing 348 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:55.400 a ghost hunt in the museum, and everybody was for it. So I 349 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.640 got to go on a ghost hunt and we didn't get any or I mean 350 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.920 kind I don't know, weird stuff happened, but it was during that ghost 351 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.279 hunt that it was once again driven home to me that I don't know why 352 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.400 people do that, Like, you know, like why would you just it's 353 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.559 just scary, Like why would you want to scare yourself that bad? I 354 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:15.240 mean, I get it. And to each throne, Melissa loves to be 355 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.400 scared. I totally get it. But to me, it's bewildering, and 356 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.000 people, I guess will always be bewildering to me. See, I kind 357 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.079 of feel the opposite. I feel like trying to search for a giant creature 358 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.680 that could potentially like trample you. I think that's terrifying. Oh, I 359 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:32.960 get it. I get it. I mean, I think we're talking about 360 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:36.440 the same thing. And you know, some people like vanilla, some people 361 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:37.799 like chocolate. You know, it's one of those things. I guess at 362 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.160 the end of the day, I kind of get it. But it's just 363 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.759 so scary. You know. Melissa has me watch these movies and stuff like 364 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.720 these horror you know, I never watched horror movies until I was trying to 365 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:49.640 court Melissa, and then I did it, and I had all these nightmares 366 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.880 for a long time and I finally got over it. Now I can watch 367 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.559 these things right. And just the other night we were watching one on Halloween 368 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:00.000 because it's Halloween season. Heather. I don't if you noticed, but it's 369 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:04.240 been apparently it's been Halloween seasons since July fifth, that's when Melissa pronounced it. 370 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:10.079 Yeah, she's the best. I know you love Melissa too, She's 371 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.400 the best, But I she's so cool. I want to be your best. 372 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:15.960 I wish we lived in the same state. Oh, she has often 373 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.039 said about said that about you. And by the way, oh, Melissa 374 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.680 approved. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely, But I forgot 375 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.759 where I was going with that. But nonetheless, it's bewildering to me, 376 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.640 Like Melissa wants to go out and chase ghosts since she's scared to death the 377 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.000 bigfoots and just vice versa. For me, it's like I don't want to 378 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.279 mess around with things that you know, Like I see all these movies and 379 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:40.440 it plants ideas in my head about possession and losing your soul and whatever that 380 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:44.640 means, and and just horrifying visions in my head. I can deal with 381 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.880 giant eight men. Do you know any of the history of the building that 382 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.039 your museum is in? Very very little, very very little. Yeah, 383 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.319 I know only what the county told me, and they're so convoluted, such 384 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:57.519 a mess that I you know, you can't believe, but they're saying because 385 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:02.000 they don't have all the facts. They told me that no business has been 386 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.359 in my building since two thousand and four, and then yelled at me about 387 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:07.279 my permits. I say, what what you just told me? No one's 388 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.599 been in here since two thousand and four? Why are you yelling at me 389 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:12.480 about my permits? You know, and the address and stuff. But yet 390 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.240 I can name two or three other businesses that have been in my building since 391 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.079 two thousand and four before I showed up, so they don't know anything. 392 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:23.119 Was one in mortuary? No, there was a reptile museum, oh rah. 393 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:27.160 And a bakery. We have reptile ghosts, reptile baked goods. Yeah 394 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:32.119 perhaps, but yeah, reptile Actually maybe the reptiles did the baking of the 395 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.920 goods. So have you seen a ghost, Heather? I have never seen 396 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.079 a ghost. I've seen a shadow person, but I have never seen an 397 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.960 apparition. And I cannot believe it because I've been doing this for so long, 398 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.319 and I've feel like I've been in many situations where it could arise, 399 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:52.480 but I've never seen one. But you want to, I do. Yeah, 400 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.599 So the shadow person. Tell me about that. So I think I 401 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:02.039 was at Where was I? I was it? I was at some asylum. 402 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.160 I don't even remember where it was, maybe like upstate New York or 403 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:10.160 something, but it was down a hallway and it looked as if like some 404 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.680 type of shadow like peaked itself out into the hallway and then went back into 405 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.640 the doorway. It was. It happened super quick. But that's kind of 406 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.000 that's the that's one of the times I've seen a shatter person and one of 407 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.960 the first one of the times. Yeah, let me think, everything blurs 408 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.880 together, so I like to try to give details that let me think of 409 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.279 where the other one was. I think it was in a residential home. 410 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.400 We were doing a client case, and it was perhaps in a basement. 411 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.599 But it's always something that happens really quick, and you know, I'm always 412 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.640 like, oh, is it my ir light on my camera? But I 413 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.039 think this time I was. I was in the dark, and I had 414 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.480 like a small light source, and I saw just like a quick almost as 415 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.039 if something just like walks past you really quick and then you cut it out 416 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.119 of your peripheral vision. Yeah, that's what happened to Melissa here at the 417 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.319 museum. Yeah, well would you come out, We'll let you come in 418 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:07.640 the museum and poke around. I saw a shadow person. Yeah, what 419 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:15.000 was your situation? Way again around It's Bobo story, dude, He's going 420 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:21.960 to see some things that will blown classic scene. He's lying and he's going 421 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:30.599 a kid yill me high clear Once again, it's Bubo story. Any description 422 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:34.160 of felonious or criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes, and 423 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.319 is in no way admission of guilt or even true for that matter. I 424 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.279 lived in this house that was like super noisy, like dudes living there like 425 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.480 bachelors, seeing like music cranking all the time, blah blah blah. And 426 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.160 people would stay there so they hear stuff that I never had anything happening like 427 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.359 how over many years I was there till the day I was moving out, 428 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.160 and uh, we'd had a lot of burglaries and there was a home invasion 429 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:00.720 just down the street for the most a couple weeks before. I had my 430 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.039 shotgun loaded in my house and we were moving out that day, and had 431 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.079 this big hundred pound pitple that was a killer great watchdog. He was chilling 432 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.000 in the house with me and uh, it was. It was. It 433 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:12.920 was like I think the fourth was. Yeah, it was the fourth oldest 434 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.799 house in Arcada, California, and so you know, it was like one 435 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.480 hundred and thirty years old whatever, and we were I was loading up and 436 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:26.559 so it had the bathroom was on the northeast corner, and then southeast corner 437 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.240 was the big kitchen, and then going into the kitchen, went into the 438 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.519 dining room and living within on the right side of the houses was three bedrooms 439 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:34.839 like in a row, going down parallel to the living room. In the 440 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.599 dining room and the dining room we had had a big open door with probably 441 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.279 like eight foot yeah, it's probably about eight fot wide door. We had 442 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:49.359 a big quilt over it to keep the house warm in the front. And 443 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.920 I was sitting there it was like two in the afternoon whatever, and just 444 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.599 taking the shelves out of my shotgun, and I just see the blanket lift 445 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.880 up and then it was on the corner my eye. But I turned my 446 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.240 head as a turn I had to look. I see this like shadow lift 447 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.279 up the rug and go underneath me, ruing the blanket and go to you 448 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.839 know, flip it up and walk through and then the it flapped back down 449 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.839 and went like, you know, pretty dark in there again. I was 450 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.960 like, well, I go dd get him, and so I was chasing. 451 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.079 I ran out there and my nextra neighbors out there. He was using 452 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.440 our hose to flush his engine on his outboard on his boat, and he 453 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.240 was right like ten feet from the door, and DJ came running out. 454 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:33.720 I came running out of the shock and I'm like, do you see that 455 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:34.839 guy? You see that guy came out here? And he's like I was 456 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.079 centered another no one came out. Then I said, oh man, he 457 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.640 must have went in the bathroom. And I ran back and check the bathroom, 458 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:42.599 and then I thought maybe he went into the bathroom. Then when I 459 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.519 ran out the door and went he went back in through the house or so 460 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.240 I went that way and running around, ran out on the street looking like 461 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.799 nothing. There was nobody there, and I was and the guy's like, 462 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:53.920 what do you look like? And I'm like, it was just all black 463 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.720 and there was no like distinct feature stud It was just a black shadow. 464 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.880 But it was like lifted up the curtain and walked through and what do you 465 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.079 know what shadow? People they normally not need to do. They couldn't they 466 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.440 just normally walk through a wall or through a blanket like that. I have 467 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.000 heard stories, yeah, like sometimes they come from a wall or like a 468 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:19.559 solid material. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what. I don't 469 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.759 know. If it's just like a different way that a possible spirit materializes, 470 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.599 I don't know. But there's been connections too with like UFO cases where people 471 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:36.359 see shadow people. Yeah that wasn't this case. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot 472 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:45.160 and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. So 473 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:52.279 UFOs and shadow things might be related in some way. Yeah. I've definitely 474 00:29:52.720 --> 00:30:00.000 worked with people who have had experiences where some type of like like abduction experien 475 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.279 is where they see some sort of being in their house outside somewhere, and 476 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:11.240 sometimes it appears as like a shadow and then they have like missing time or 477 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.640 something like that. And yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with that. 478 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.400 Now. Now again I'm not verse in all this stuff. I'm just 479 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.920 a silly, you know, ape guy. But am I right? Remembering 480 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.720 the word screen memory here is could it be something like that? Yeah? 481 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.160 Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely a thing where people have experiences like that, 482 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.640 and maybe they see. I know, something popular is when people see owls. 483 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:38.319 I think in a way just from you know, having all my experiences 484 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:42.279 with working with clients and haunted houses, and then kind of switching over and 485 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:48.160 working on client cases where people have had experiences seeing UFOs and then they go 486 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.079 in their house and they have activity happen that it seems like their house is 487 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.240 all of a sudden haunted, and it all kind of correlates when they have 488 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:02.279 seen these strange UFOs in the sky, or they had cattle mutilations on their 489 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:07.519 property, which are always associated with UFOs. So it's weird. But I've 490 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.359 definitely had people report shadow people in their house, whether it's after they see 491 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:17.440 a UFO or maybe after they get abducted or before they get abducted. You 492 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.039 have paid for that, no, Well. I did this series for Travel 493 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.400 Channel called Alien Highway. We traveled, you know, West coast, Midwest 494 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:33.160 to areas where there were like UFO flaps of you know, historical activity that 495 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.119 people then you know that the particular area was known for activity, and then 496 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.440 years decades later it kind of amps up again. So we would go to 497 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:45.599 places like that, and I did one case where a client he had an 498 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.680 abduction experience when he was seventeen that he never really talked to anybody about. 499 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.720 And he was actually later on in his life when we met him, he 500 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.119 was like, I think in his fifties. He lived on the Merrimack River 501 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.960 in Missouri, and he would see him and his wife would see these lights 502 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.559 and they kind of thought that they were being targeted by UFOs. They would 503 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.440 see balls of lights above trees, orange lights. They would have activity in 504 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:15.960 their house, and we brought in a hypnotherapist to sort of unlock, you 505 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:21.400 know, his repressed memories with all of this, and it was really weird 506 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.200 to see him go through it because it was obviously a very traumatic experience. 507 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:30.079 He missed two days of time, and he held that story in all of 508 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.480 his life and it was almost as if he was taken back to that time 509 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.400 when he was a teenager and he described, you know, he was walking 510 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.519 on the highway with one of his friends and all of a sudden, in 511 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.720 front of them, they were looking at like on the highway wall, these 512 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.960 these lights just lit up the wall and they turned around and then the next 513 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.839 thing they know, they saw this like craft and then they were in some 514 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.799 kind of room and they saw these creatures that had long heads, long necks, 515 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:00.920 big eyes, and next thing he knows, he was like in this 516 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:06.160 chair back to back with his friend, and then he described this being taking 517 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.359 him to the top of this mountain and pointing down at this city and pointing 518 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:15.079 down to the city lights and saying, these lights are bad. So through 519 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.519 his therapy session he kind of revealed this abduction, and then we were kind 520 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.920 of came to the conclusion that like he was having PTSD from this experience, 521 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.440 and every light he was seeing, whether or not it was someone's house or 522 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.519 it was a street light, or it was like an unexplained light, he 523 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.640 was associating. He was associating it with that experience he had when he was 524 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.440 young. It's like anist he turned into a shadow man in a way, 525 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.440 and just prefer a guy who shuns the light. Yeah. Yeah, So 526 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.960 that was really interesting to see. And I thought it was kind of interesting 527 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:50.200 that the name of the last name of the hypnotherapist. She'd never had done 528 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.519 any kind of alien session or anything, but her last name was Krueger, 529 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.240 like like Freddy Krueger, and I just thought that was kind of interesting. 530 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.400 I grew up on voar he's having me m you know what that's from? 531 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.519 Oh, yeah, Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, I claimed the famous that 532 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.079 when we were in high school was our buddy Chris's sister was Mandy Wiss. 533 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.000 She was the first person killed in the Nightmare on Elm Street series. She 534 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.159 was the girl that got slammed against the wall. And then her she's like 535 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.440 her, she gets dragged up the walls, like invisibly. She was topless 536 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.920 and she got draged up to the wall, to the roof ower like her 537 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.440 bed explodes in blood. Is that the I think she was like with a 538 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.679 dude in bed. And then yeah, she was with Johnny Depp. Johnny 539 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.480 Depp was in that. Yeah, that was his first movie. Rule I 540 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.559 didn't know that, Okay, yeah. Then she was also a Brad's girlfriend 541 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:44.719 in Fast Times at Richmond High and she goes, I think we should see 542 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.639 other people our senior year. That's funny. Oh you know what, No, 543 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.800 I think I was No, I'm wrong. Johnny Depp wasn't Nightmare on 544 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.199 Elm Street, but he wasn't in the room with her. It was that 545 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.599 other guy. Because I remember that other guy went to jail because they thought 546 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.559 he did it. Well, yeah, I think I think you're right, 547 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:00.280 But Johnny Depp was absolutely in. I think that I don't know if this 548 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.280 this first movie or not. I'm going to trust you on that one. 549 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.039 That's cool. So you went, you said you went to high school with 550 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.280 her, her little brother. Oh okay, but we all we all knew 551 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:14.639 we were like call in love with there. So so much of it seems 552 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.840 that so much of the paranormal stuff, whether it's ghosts or UFO stuff and 553 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:25.679 all that jazz, it relies very very heavily upon eyewitness testimony. And of 554 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:30.239 course the Bigfoot thing is also This is also true obviously, but I like 555 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.119 to take it a step further in Bigfoot, and I really prefer to focus 556 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.639 on physical evidence of any sort. So I'm curious over the many years and 557 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.679 probably hundreds and hundreds of investigations I assume that you've looked into and what sort 558 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.159 of physical evidence, if any, And maybe there's none, but I assume 559 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:51.079 there has to be some that have you seen either for some some sort of 560 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.800 ghosty sort of thing or perhaps a UFO E sort of thing. And I 561 00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.000 don't know what that physical evidence might look like. It's an honest question, 562 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.519 and I'm curious about what sort of physical stuff have you run across. Well, 563 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.599 when it comes to physical like audible stuff, being locked in a location 564 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:15.719 with one other person and hearing the sounds of footsteps above you and it sounds 565 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.880 so real that you think someone broke into the house. That's happened to me 566 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.840 several times to where you you feel this. One location I was at, 567 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:30.360 I was sitting on the floor. It was an old nursing home called Malvern 568 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.760 Manner, and I was sitting on the floor and the floor was carpeted, 569 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:39.920 and I felt the sensation of someone walking around me to where I could see 570 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.599 and hear the carpet like like almost moving. It felt so real that I 571 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.760 thought someone was like walking around me. Other than that, I'd say i've 572 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:57.079 I've I've heard some pretty good EVPs to where it's it's an intelligent response to 573 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.159 a to a very specific question. For example, one time I was at 574 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.000 this really tiny jail in Texas somewhere, and I was in one of the 575 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.840 cells and I had asked the question, you know, I was just like, 576 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.000 oh, what did you do? And hear in your spare time, 577 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.360 like what were some of the things you did, and you hear this clear 578 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:23.880 voice, like a male's voice, say twice it said sleep sleep, And 579 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.800 there was like no like it wasn't us trying to like make something out of 580 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.280 nothing or find meaning and a noise. It was like no one was moving. 581 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.400 There were three of us sitting at a table and it was a direct 582 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.000 response and it said sleep sleep. And I have a recording of that somewhere 583 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:45.360 online. But those are a couple things. If that answers your question, 584 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.920 I know that there's more. I just have to really think. So you've 585 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:53.760 had these personal experiences and a few things recorded. I remember one time back 586 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.840 in the day when I first met like you know, Greg and Dana Newkirk, 587 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.920 for example, they did an episode of Finding Bigfoot with it and I 588 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.599 was saying, what's our paranormal blah blah blah, and they said, I 589 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.400 don't know, and they're being really cool to me, even though I was 590 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.559 so stubborn about it, and I still am but uh And I said, 591 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.639 well, of ghost only footprints and they said, well, actually, And 592 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.880 then they started telling me about these cases that they investigated were ghost left footprints, 593 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.480 And it sounds like this may have been one of those because of the 594 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.360 pressure on the carpet, would you say it falls in line with that sort 595 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.400 of thought. Yeah, I mean there there were no markings, but I 596 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.880 could see the carpet kind of moving. It just felt so real, and 597 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.840 I mean, no one was that close to me that it would have been 598 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.840 like that. And another experience relating to footsteps, which is such a very 599 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:46.159 common thing like happens like residually. But I was at Penhurst Asylum in right 600 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:52.320 outside of Philadelphia, and one of the buildings called the Mayflower Building. It's 601 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.760 where a lot of First of all, the people that were that were at 602 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.239 Penhurst were just people that were kind of reject from society. Maybe they had 603 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.000 a mental disability and their family didn't want them anymore, and so they put 604 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.400 them at this this state hospital. And it was really sad. People were 605 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.280 neglected overcrowding. And one of the specific areas where people were just shoved in 606 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.800 a room and it was so overcrowded was in the Mayflower Building and there were 607 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.519 these like little kind of office corridors where they would put you know, all 608 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.920 the patients. And I remember I was I was doing an episode of Portals 609 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.800 to Hell. I'm sorry, I never heard of that show. But that's 610 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.760 a great name. Yeah, it's kind of a feel good thing, right, 611 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.159 Yeah, yeah, Jack Osborne. And then my friend Katrina was on 612 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.320 it, and I was on an episode where they only needed me for like 613 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.800 part of it. So I was like, Okay, I'm going to go 614 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.159 into the Mayflower building because no one's in there, and I'm just going to 615 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.719 kind of walk around and see what happens. And I was upstairs and I 616 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.920 was just like trying to have a conversation, just trying to say something to 617 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.719 get a response. And I was standing there and I heard and this, 618 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.280 this is this multiple times. This has happened to me at this location. 619 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.320 But the floors are concrete, and it sounds like someone was shuffling their feet 620 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.360 and walking towards you, and then stopping and then shuffling their feet and walking 621 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.400 towards you, and you just have this overwhelming feeling that something is with you. 622 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:15.480 And that's happened to me and to multiple other people several times. But 623 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.639 that's a really scary feeling because it felt like there was something in there and 624 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.000 there was no explanation as to what was shuffling across the floor, no animals. 625 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.079 It was like someone was wearing solid shoes, and they were like hesitant. 626 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.440 They were like shuffling towards me, and then they would stop and then 627 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.599 shuffle towards me. And then that actually really frightened me, and I was 628 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.719 like, okay, I'm leaving and I just walked out of building. Sounds 629 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.519 absolutely horrifying. Yeah, what if they didn't we what do you think it 630 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.480 would happen? I don't know. A part of me should have just stayed, 631 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.920 but there's something super eerie about it. I just did not feel right. 632 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.159 I know exactly. I was just saying that earlier, so it doesn't 633 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:58.000 make sense, but for some reason it really irked me, and I just 634 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.519 I just was like, okay, I'm gonna go now, thank you, 635 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.199 and I just walked up. You know, I've spoken to a lot of 636 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.400 people about the Bigfoot thing, and you know, or told stories about things 637 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.079 that have happened to me, and people say, oh, I would have 638 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.559 done this, or if this happens to me, I would do this, 639 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.599 And back in the day, I was guilty of that as well. You 640 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.280 know, but nobody knows what you're really going to do until you're actually in 641 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.960 that situation. So like, okay, either you're a talented and experienced a 642 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:28.199 paranormal investigator. That happened, you left, and you're saying, why did 643 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.039 I leave? I don't know. You just never know what you're going to 644 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.239 do. And I'm sure there's a situation where I'm out there, this has 645 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.000 happened. I had a sasquatch near me, and I had a camera in 646 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.480 my hand. Now this is mind you back in ninety nine or two thousand 647 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.719 or something, a long time ago. But like, I left because I 648 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.639 was scared the hell out of me. Basically, you know, I scared 649 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.039 the hell out of me, and even though I was there for that purpose, 650 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.639 just you just never know what you're going to do until it happens to 651 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.079 you. So anybody out there is I would have done this. That's cute. 652 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.920 You keep thinking that. You keep thinking that until it happens to you, 653 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.079 and then you tell me what you actually did. It just felt so 654 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.480 real. It was just oh, I can still picture myself there. It's 655 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:12.079 so real. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 656 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:21.920 We'll be right back after these messages. So you've looked into these shadow things 657 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.320 like ghosts and spirit and like, have you ever worried about. Melissa talks 658 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:29.960 about this, and only reason I know about it about something. What does 659 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.880 she say, attaching to you and then you bringing at home? Has that 660 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.800 ever happened? It's actually never happened to me, but it's happened to other 661 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:44.519 people I've worked with in the bar. Yeah, I situations. In the 662 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:49.960 early days of Paranormal State, I remember doing really serious cases and then some 663 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.000 of our cast members they all lived in a house together. I didn't, 664 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.440 I lived elsewhere. But after real serious cases, they would all have experiences 665 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.119 and it would seem like would follow them. But I've never had that happen. 666 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:07.039 I think there was one case where something happened in my hotel room, 667 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.199 but I mean, I don't know, maybe the room was haunted or I 668 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.039 don't know if it would pertain to the case. But I've never had anything 669 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.400 follow me. So that's good, and I hope it stays that way. 670 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.400 Yeah, that's one of the things that scares me the most about being even 671 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.840 tangentially involved in any of this is something following me home a bigfoot. Again. 672 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.199 I don't mind have them followed me back. I don't care. I 673 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.599 live in the Great habitat, but as far as like the ghost stuff or 674 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.199 I mean, and also here's another thing people throw around, the word demon. 675 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.280 It's like, why in the world are you messing with things that are 676 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:44.480 even suggested to be demons whatever that means, Like why do you go down 677 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.599 those roads as well? Or is there just no dividing line as far as 678 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.559 things that are spooking you can't see. So in the early days of Paranormal 679 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.039 State, we were one of the show, the earlier shows that went down 680 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:59.679 that road, and because you know, we worked with clients, we would 681 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.360 get hundreds of emails from people who, you know, they were terrified to 682 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:07.159 sleep in their home and some of it was some of it, I believe 683 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.440 was them manifesting things to happen. Maybe they were going through like a stressful 684 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:15.719 time and they were causing objects to move. That's definitely happened. But we 685 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.079 did deal with I was on a couple cases where we were dealing with people 686 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:27.119 that maybe in the past they had unresolved trauma which left them vulnerable and maybe 687 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.360 they never closed the doors to something. And we had a little lea some 688 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:37.000 cases like that that were kind of scary. But I was maybe only on 689 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:42.039 like two or three but it's definitely feels like a different vibe. I did 690 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.000 on one specific one. I remember we worked with Lorraine Warren a lot, 691 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:52.639 and I remember her giving this client a holy object and he reacted in like 692 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.519 a very negative way, and that was one of the first things I saw 693 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.920 where I was like, oh, like you could tell his eyes were like 694 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.000 changing. All I can say is you had to be there, which is 695 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.440 so dumb to say. But we definitely did some serious cases in our early 696 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.840 days. But I don't really deal with that anymore. I don't really take 697 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:16.440 on many client cases anymore. But did you ever feel like low self esteem 698 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.360 because you didn't get something follow you home? Did you ever feel like, 699 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.159 like, what's wrong with me? No? I never thought about that. 700 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:30.400 But I don't know. Maybe I'm too positive or something, or maybe somehow 701 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.119 I'm protected. I have no idea. You are a very positive person, 702 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.320 you radiate it, so maybe that has something to do with it. Yeah, 703 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.519 that's kind of the only thing unless they're just like, she's too weird, 704 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.760 We're not going to follow her, you know. So from doing these 705 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:51.039 paranormal conventions whatever cryptid and paranormal conventions, the one person who impressed me the 706 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.199 most, so I could tell like was like, I mean, she seen 707 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:58.280 has some real insights and really saw dead people and all that was Amy Brune. 708 00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.119 Have you been out with her? You know, I've never worked with 709 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.679 her, but I've chatted with her at events. I'd love to work with 710 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:07.639 her. Yeah, she impressed me. Yeah, I think she. I 711 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.079 think she. I actually read her book and I remember her experience that kind 712 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.440 of got her into all this was really interesting pertending to I think how she 713 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.360 grew up in ye Johnny L. Tenney, Oh, I said, he 714 00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:25.440 goes, Yeah, she's the most impressive one out of the thousand paranormalists he's 715 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.119 been out in the field. He said, she impresses him the most. 716 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.679 He said that she's absolutely he said, She's one of four people he could 717 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.039 say absolutely for sure is experiencing this stuff as she says she is. Yeah, 718 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.239 I believe it. Well, you know with that, why don't we 719 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.079 close this session down. We'll hop over to the member section because I have 720 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:44.880 a whole bunch of questions I want to ask you. You've been on a 721 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.639 bunch of TV shows. I want to know your general thoughts on paranormal TV, 722 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.400 if it's a good thing or bad thing, what direction it's going, 723 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:52.760 what it's like to work on these shows, because we have our own thoughts 724 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.039 on that we want to share with you. And then I want to know 725 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:59.880 such burning questions. As you know, I have some questions about roller skating, 726 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.880 and frankly, this whole language barrier that I experienced with my wife, 727 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.880 her being from Pittsburgh and me not being from Pittsburgh. I don't know what 728 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.079 the hell she's talking about. Sometimes that's the word she's using. So I've 729 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.519 got some questions about that too. You can help me with my marriage and 730 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.119 help the communication we have between us. So if you can stick around for 731 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.519 a member section, we really love it. But before we go, you 732 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.519 have a gig on Wednesday. Tell us about the gig on Wednesday and how 733 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.880 people can go see you. November ninth through the twelfth, I'm going to 734 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:30.119 an event in Virginia City, Nevada called Calm Con six. If anyone has 735 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.320 it been to Virginia City, Nevada, it's one of the coolest places ever. 736 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been there. Yeah, it's super 737 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:42.159 cool. And I'm doing an event there with a group called Soul Circle Paranormal 738 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.000 like Aaron Saeger's is going to be their shape. Oh he's been on the 739 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:46.960 show. He's a great guy. Yeah, so it's it's going to be 740 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.599 really fun. I'm looking forward to that fantastic. How do they get information 741 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.320 on that? There's a link on my website for it and on my social 742 00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.119 media as well. But if you go to Soul Circle Paranormal dot com and 743 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.280 go to their events tab, it has all the information for tickets there. 744 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:06.519 All right, So those links are going to be in the show notes here 745 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.239 and you can look down below. If you're listening to this on YouTube and 746 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.039 for any more information about these events or Heather in general, you go to 747 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.320 Heathertatty dot com. That's Ta d d Y is the last name, Heathertatty 748 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.719 dot com. Heather, thank you so much for taking some time for us. 749 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.400 We really appreciate it. Thanks Heather. Yeah, no problem, Bubbo, 750 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:25.239 take us out of here and we'll hop over to the members section. 751 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.360 All right, folks, thank you Heather Taddy for showing up and lightening us 752 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.519 on the paranol and we're going to hear some more right now if you go 753 00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.199 to the Patreon section. But until then, for the rest of y'all, 754 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:46.960 y'all keep it scotchy. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening to 755 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.719 this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what you heard, 756 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.360 please rate and review us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you 757 00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.039 get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Foot and Beyond 758 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:06.280 podcast. 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