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now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay, Hey, Bobes. What's
happening to men? Not much, it's going out to you, Cliff.
Oh, just another day in Paradise. It's like sixty degrees. It's drizzling
outside. It's pretty cool. I love this weather fault. I think it's
probably my favorite time of year. It's just so pretty and that. I
love the temperatures and the rain. It's great. It's definitely my favorite time
of the year. First sure, and yeah, I just got back yesterday
from uh went out for a couple of days. We went squatching and getting
wood, and we ended up traveling way out, way way out, like
jeez, I think we took like two hundred two hours and forty five minutes
northeast. He went out above some's bar until we found some standing dead madrone.
It like god, it was like fifty six hundred feet or something,
and we ended up camping up there. And it was supposed to be like
really warm, but it was so high up we got pretty frozen. It
was pretty freezing. But yeah, we ended up got two cords in one
day. It was kind of all the easy stuff was people had gotten.
So we had to like and we did. We forgot our chains to like
choke them out, you know, to choke out the haul out of any
like logs, especially on a downhill slope. So we were just having a
We drove and drove and drove till we got way up and then we found
some up there. So we got a couple of cords, but we gotta
go get some more. We're gonna get some more. They were gonna go
out Highway thirty six back to that spot. We go down out there on
the east side. Yeah, well west of the five, but east of
the one on one. Wow. Wow, that's a long ways out,
and that's a long ways out for you. But God, nobody's down there.
Nobody's down there at all. And there's been a couple of things that
have gone down within eight miles that spot. We used to camp all the
time. And uh so there's two spot, two things that have been going
on down there, and this we're gonna go there and uh, there's there's
a lot of wood down there, majorone and stuff. So we're gonna go
down and get some madrone and then do a couple of days squatching. Yeah
you do. I mean you must be big footing while you're out there,
I guess right, Oh yeah, for sure. I mean at night I
love. Yeah. The other night though, it was so beautiful and it
was so warm from that ridge before it dropped cold. We were we were
like at a sat We were up three hundred and sixty degree view just of
the whole like Marble Mountains and wilderness and Trinity Alps, and it was like
a three quarter moon and it was just so beautiful. End we were we
were just playing music and we heard something come around. I think it was
deer, but because it was so we were so high up, I couldn't
imagine I think, being up there, like you know, end of October
getting to November, I don't see something squatch hanging out, you know,
above five six thousand. We were like, yeah, like fifty seven hundreds,
I think, you know, I don't think there are about four thousand
at the highest this time, especially with the still head around going and a
few salmon. Yeah, we got no salmon fishing this year. There's no
salmon fishing it all down here. Oh yeah, I'm not sure what's going
on here. I hear they're in the river right now, but I keep
hearing about coho and that's about it. But I did hear catch a lot
of the news about a bad salmon here and stuff for all the entire Pacific
Northwest, which includes you, of course. Oh but dude, they're catching
fricking I see my buddy's buddy holding a He sent hum a picture of it.
When I was talking on one hundred and seventy five blue fin eight miles
off the Eureka Like five boats went out the smallest the way they were catching,
we're like over one hundred and twenty five and up to twenty five.
Oh geez, that's those are big, big fish. I've heard the blue
fin in southern California have not left like for a year, two or three
or something. It's a ridiculous fight down there. And of course blue fin
are cold water SPEEDI or not cold, and they're a little bit of everything
water species actually cool. Yeah, they can do the pretty well in cool
water as well as the tropical stuff like down by Guadaloupe Island and stuff.
But fishing is fishing mountains. You aren't going to catch him unless you go.
It's like bigfooting in a lot of ways. I wish I can get
out there. But yeah, if I talked to you since my Tennessee gig,
I don't think so. Yeah, I went out to Tennessee Gig,
and of course you know, good stories set her and stuff. But I
guess the most important thing that I wanted to bring up there. Maybe this
will ring a bell if I told you Melissa got scared into the house while
I was gone by something big and heavy outside. No. Yeah, I
remember a couple of years ago. I don't remember the date, but I
think it was two thousand and eighteen or much been nineteen. I was out.
I was on expedition with doctor Meldrum out here in the mountainod National Forest,
and I happened to catch a reception a little bit. I checked out
with Melissa one night, and because she was home alone at that point,
and she says something scared her inside the house. Coyotes are around. She
goes, oh, coyotes, blah blah blah. And then like thirty minutes
later, twenty minutes later, something went boom on the lawn and just this
huge thudding noise that she felt in her chest. And she was out on
the porch at the time, and she she basically goes, what the hell
is that? And went inside and closed all the curtains and said what do
I do? And I said count yourself lucky and listen, you know,
which didn't help her at all. Poor thing was probably scared. But anyway,
she was out this time about two weeks ago or something like that,
because I haven't spoken to you for a while, I don't think, and
if I did, I didn't she You know, we just had this Halloween
party this past weekend. I don't know if you. I was trying to
make it. If I could, there was no way. I mean,
I thought I might be able to do well. From what I remember,
it was a pretty good party. Just leave it like that. But she
she made a haunted house under the deck with all of her props and sound
effects and this, and made a little story out of it and all this
a studden. It was a wonderful, cute little thing. I've got a
video of it. Maybe I'll ask Matt Prue to put that on her member
section for people. But when she was out, she was out there like
a dusk her jess post dusk. You know, it was getting pretty dark,
which is pretty rare from Melissa because she's scared to go outside at night.
She was out there and then she over at the same area over by
the apple trees on the other side of the property, not that far away.
She once again she heard a boom, like this big thud right and
she goes what she stopped, and then she heard boom, boom boom off
into the brush. She heard this like big, heavy, heavy, heavy
footsteps off into the brush away from the property, down towards the power lines.
And I just I got word of that, and I go, holy
smokes, they might be back. That's that interesting. So is there a
tree that it could have jumped out of and landed and then stopped off or
I think it just was a foot stop. I don't. I mean,
I don't know. I wish I would have heard it. If I would
have heard it, i'd probab might have a better answer for that question.
But since I don't know, I just don't know. Yeah, So I
don't that's something I wanted to share with you. I mentioned the Halloween party.
It was great, by the way, a lot of fun. Other
than that, man, I went out once. I found two possible footprints
over at Easter Island, and not quite sure, but they're like the things
were pushed down and they had the right shape, but or whatever. But
nothing you can take to the bank. So I'm just putting in the maybe
pile, not even adding that to the database at this point, you know.
And other than and I guess the other cool thing I wanted to share
is just earlier today, less than an hour ago, I was talking to
Neil Beck, the the what is it, the great nephew of Fred Beck.
Yeah, and it was my great pleasure to tell him that the Ape
Canyon mine had been rediscovered, because he had not heard that yet. Oh
he had is so is his cousins were the ones that rediscovered? Isn't it
his cousins or I guess I don't really know how family like that works,
but I know it was the great grandsons of one of the miners. But
it wasn't one of the Beck. It wasn't Beck, It wasn't in the
Beck family. I think it was the Smiths. Or somebody. I don't
remember the family. But it wasn't the Becks who found who rediscovered the cabinet.
It was a great grandsons of one of the other miners. Yeah,
but there, but those guys were like cousins or nephew and you know,
nephew and uncle or something like. There was some of the original four five
eight Canyon miners were I think three of them were related. Oh I don't
know. I mean, Kalama was a small town back then. Maybe most
of them were related, who knows. But anyway, Yeah, so I
got the pleasure of speaking with him, and I asked him he has these
photographs I guess of the cabin Maybe he says, yeah, remember having those
of my stuff somewhere. When I unpack him, I'll let you know.
I asked him about him and then he hasn't He hasn't run across those yet.
But I'm gonna keep calling and asking him because in the museum here,
I'm upstairs at the museum right now, in the museum here, in twenty
twenty four, we're going to do a year long celebration of the one hundredth
anniversary of the Ape Canyon incident. So pretty excited about that. That's cool,
very cool, very cool. We gonna have some artifacts on display.
We have some cool The Beck family has lent me some official documents and whatnot
on which Fred Beck has written his autograph and his wife had written her autographs
like land aids and stuff like that. So there's gonna be some never before
seen artifacts on display, really really cool stuff. So NABC in twenty twenty
four all year long and Ape Canyon celebration gonna get ap cool as if I'm
not apy enough. All right, what was on the docket for today?
Oh, I'm so pleased. This has taken a while to get together.
It's taken a while to get together. We've got a good friend on the
podcast today, and I kind of managed this through my wife because Melissa has
become good friends with her as well because of their heritage Pittsburgh Ian. But
yeah, today we have paranormal investigator at all around cool person, Heather Taddy
on the show. Heather. Well, we'll get into what Heather is and
when I'll let her tell us frankly, because I mean I just know her
as a person. I don't even I don't know that much about her career.
I do know that she was on Paranormal State back in the day.
That's the show I've heard of, and I might even seen part of an
episode, which is big for me. But Heather, thanks so much for
taking some time and coming to spend it with Cliff and Bobo. Thanks for
having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on board. You were part of
Paranormal State? Was that the Pennsylvania college kids? Yeah, so it was
based off of the Penn State Paranormal Research Society, which was a student club
back by the university at Penn State, and I had started going to meetings.
But how I found out about them was I found out they ran this
huge academic paranormal conference called Unicorn and like the early two thousands, and they'd
have like Lorraine Warren there, they'd have famous parapsychologists Jay and Grant would be
there from Ghot Hunters, because that was kind of around the time when their
show came out. But I was like super impressed because it was truly like
it was very academic based and it was like put together really well. So
I was studying at Penn State for like a French test and I just came
across this article that was like literally this newspaper. The school newspaper was like
open to this spread that highlighted this club, and I had transferred up to
the main campus and I just kind of kept the article and joined the club.
And I had no idea what turned into a television series at all.
I just joined it because I wanted to start training to be a field investigator,
and I really just wanted to gain access to haunted locations so that I
could see stuff. So you started showing up to the meetings. Were there
cameras there? And he kind of said, what is this or what did
it morph into it? Over time? No? So I guess two years
before I had joined, they had filmed a pilot for a potential series.
This like Emmy Award winning producer discovered the club because Ryan, the old who
started the club in like two thousand and one, he assisted the police on
this missing person's case in State College, Pennsylvania, and he suggested the use
of a psychic and that kind of became the basis for a different series.
And then they wanted to do a series where they followed the club around helping
families. So I didn't know about any of that, you know, going
to these meetings, I just went to these meetings. They were at a
building on campus like every Sunday night, and I didn't know anyone there,
and it was just this very interesting group of people, maybe like ten to
fifteen people, and we just shared our experiences and talked about famous cases,
and then I found out about the training program. It just seemed like a
really legit club. Like the manual for the club was like this huge pamphlet.
It was it was really serious, and I was really surprised to see
that a college could put that together and was so serious about it. So
that's kind of why I had joined the club. But like, I've just
always been interested in the subject of everything paranormal. So when I found out
there was a club that I could go to and like learn more about it
and actually be able to gain access to places, I was like, Oh,
sign me up. And then about the sixth meeting. In six or
seventh meeting, I noticed a new face in the room and it ended up
being one of the producers and they were handing out these pamphlets. And then
the next day I saw these signs all over campus advertising like, Hey,
do you want to go to haunted places and be part of like a docu
series that we'll be on A and E. And you know, I was
a part of the club and I had been going through the training process and
it was a really like really difficult process because you had to take all these
extra tests quizzes, and it was like adding another class onto your curriculum.
So I went through it and ended up me and Katrina Widman were the only
two that like made it through because it had like a seventy five percent dropout
rate, and we made it through, and then we had tried out for
the show and then we got casts and we were the two that they cast
besides like three other people that were already like part of the club that started
it. You must have just thought, like, holy smokes, my life
has taken a strange turn. Yeah, it was weird. And I remember,
like, you know, I studied film in college, I studied French.
I always knew I would do something with film or TV because I just
kind of grew up. I grew up doing these like weird commercials for like
local radio stations and stuff in my hometown. And when I was like a
teenager, I was just obsessed with stealing my mom's video camera and just like
filming these ridiculous skits with my friends and just documenting like every moment of my
life. So then I kind of used that in my investigating to try to
catch evidence, because that's you know why I got onto all this because of
the stories and just being really fascinated that we don't have all the answers,
but like, I just really wanted to see stuff that blew my mind and
stuff that really challenged my beliefs. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Did you shay
them that blew your mind? Yeah? I mean I kind of went into
it pretty skeptical, but then we worked on a lot of really serious client
cases on paranormal state, like in the early days, and that kind of
swayed me more to be a believer because I did experience some things. I
think one of the most one of the early things I experienced was we were
at this haunted schoolhouse. It was like a schoolhouse that they had remodeled into
like apartments, and this woman had all these experiences. We brought in a
priest to bless the house, and her apartment was kind of set up like
a loft, and I remember sitting on this couch facing these cabinets in the
kitchen, and while the priest ups Stare was doing a blessing, this cabinet
was closed. But this cabinet, it wasn't angled, there was nothing sticking
to it that could have caused it to like open. But it literally just
it didn't fly open, but it slowly just like opened right in front of
us, right across from me. And I tried everything I could to like
debunk it. We tried taking off the cabinet, but it was just it
coincided with like a really weird moment when the priest was doing this like house
blessing. So that was one of the very first things. And then where
I was like, I have no explanation for that. Then I got touched
one time at this location when I had no explanation and there was nothing in
my way that could have caused that. I was leaning up against this bathroom
in this house in Oregon where this woman had seen this headless ghost walk back
and forth. She always felt like she was being watched, and I was,
I was. We did this thing called dead time where we would like
turn off all the electronics have as little people as possible in the space to
avoid like interfering with noises and things, and we would just try to attempt
spirit communication. And I was always the one on the show that would put
myself in situations alone with a camera because I was always just like the brave
person to do that. So I was in this bathroom where this client always
felt uncomfortable, and I was leaning against the sink and my arms were stretched
out and I just felt something touch my elbow enough for me to bend it,
and I had it all on camera so that you could see there was
just like nothing around me. So those were two like earlier experiences. And
like we we would stay the night in the client's houses during like the first
through second season because it would allow us to kind of immerse ourselves more in
the environment and have more experiences. And I remember just like trying to fall
asleep, and before that, I had never slept in any kind of haunted
house. I didn't grow up in a haunted house. I had zero experiences.
And I remember like hearing noises that I couldn't explain and not being able
to sleep, and just like hearing something walk in the hall, and I
remember from then on, I just started wearing earplugs to sleep. Yes,
I still wear earplugs to this day when I sleep. Class. Yeah,
the big Foot world, if you get touched on the elbow, it's like
third base. I want to come big foot hunting with you, guys.
I would love to whenever you're out here, you know. I mean you're
friends with the entire family now, so you've got a place to stay.
If you ever want to come out, you're always welcome. That would be
so fun. I want to go. I want to go squatching. Yeah,
and some of our best spots are within an hour of the house too,
right. I mean, as you heard in our preamble here that you
don't even really have to leave the property sometimes some nights. So that's so
cool. Yeah, if that's what it was that she heard. You know,
so all the good stuff happens when I'm gone. I wish I was,
you know. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, or
you know, maybe who knows, who knows? What's Are you on a
show right? Currently? Are you on a show now? So? I
guest star on this show on the CW called Mysteries Decoded, where they kind
of explore different everything ranging from cryptozoology UFOs to just like famous haunted places.
And I've guests started on three episodes so far. One of them premiered.
We did Dulce Bass out in New Mexico. Oh yeah, yeah, by
dulcein New Mexico. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. We have a good bigfoot
friends that live out in that direction. Oh cool, it's an interesting place.
I did that episode for their season two. And then there's season three,
which haven't premier hasn't premiered yet. I did two episodes for that.
But I film and produce a series with Katrina Widman called Travel the Dead on
YouTube. We have about five episodes up right now. We just premiered part
one of this haunted farm we investigated and those those are free on YouTube.
So that's kind of my focus. Now. I thought you were grateful Dead
or something. Oh no, that would be funny. It makes sense.
So yeah, Travel the Dead, Yeah, I never I never put that
together. That's really funny. They just traveled the West Coast to see the
dead personally. Maybe we can have Bob We're guest star one over episode.
Oh yeah, and call it weird or weird far weird so you mentioned that
you like, you're one of these people that isolates yourself and goes into these
haunted situations alone. Do you do you think from your experience or what the
experience of those who you trust, that that is better to do that,
Like it affects the outcomes, like you get better results or or does it
change anything at all? From my experience, I think so, because you're
putting yourself in a more vulnerable position, you don't have as many distractions,
especially when you're in a house all alone, you know, because a lot
of times, you know, working on if we're you know, talking about
working on certain TV shows, It's it's hard when you have people that haven't
ghost hunted before. Because I notice this even on like public ghost hunts at
events that I do, that people just move around so much and they don't
realize they're doing it. So when you're in a situation alone, that's honestly,
I prefer that because it opens you up more and you don't have distractions,
and like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh,
how do you do that? Aren't you scared? I'm just kind of
like, I mean, of course, any anything in the paranormal field is
scared because we don't really know what's going to happen, and we don't really
have answers for everything. So yeah, it gets scary. But like I'm
way more fascinated by it, and I want to put myself in situations so
that I can have experiences and not be you know, not running into the
other room. That seems totally crazy to me, just so you know,
because yeah, for me, the whole ghost thing in general is bewildering to
me. Like I understand wanting to hunt, you know, or to chase
down and try to see giant ape men. To me, that makes perfect
sense for some reason. But to fiddle around with things you can't see,
that you don't understand, and all that other stuff, and it's like totally
bewildering to me. And I'm glad you do it, not putting it,
putting that idea down at all. As you know, Melissa's totally into that,
the whole thing. I'm one hundred percent behind it. In fact,
I didn't this is something I did. I forgot to mention, you know
how for the museum membership, we do these two videos, two video documentaries
every single month for our members. I just got on Halloween, I published
the last one, which is the one I edited together. We did a
ghost hunt here in the in the in the Bigfoot Museum because pretty much every
single one of the employees except for me and the manager Nico, has had
something weird happen, and that includes Melissa. You know, we're coming in
the morning and things are off the shelf and like magnets, like these really
strong magnets that there's no way that like are hard to pull off there on
the ground in the morning, that sort of stuff. Dave, one of
our employees, saw something or thought he saw somebody right behind him. When
he turned he wasn't there. So for you know, we for these two
videos every month for our members. We always do big Foot stuff, usually
our field investigations or deep dives into evidence. But once a year Melissa takes
control and so she says, you know what, this year, we're doing
a ghost hunt in the museum, and everybody was for it. So I
got to go on a ghost hunt and we didn't get any or I mean
kind I don't know, weird stuff happened, but it was during that ghost
hunt that it was once again driven home to me that I don't know why
people do that, Like, you know, like why would you just it's
just scary, Like why would you want to scare yourself that bad? I
mean, I get it. And to each throne, Melissa loves to be
scared. I totally get it. But to me, it's bewildering, and
people, I guess will always be bewildering to me. See, I kind
of feel the opposite. I feel like trying to search for a giant creature
that could potentially like trample you. I think that's terrifying. Oh, I
get it. I get it. I mean, I think we're talking about
the same thing. And you know, some people like vanilla, some people
like chocolate. You know, it's one of those things. I guess at
the end of the day, I kind of get it. But it's just
so scary. You know. Melissa has me watch these movies and stuff like
these horror you know, I never watched horror movies until I was trying to
court Melissa, and then I did it, and I had all these nightmares
for a long time and I finally got over it. Now I can watch
these things right. And just the other night we were watching one on Halloween
because it's Halloween season. Heather. I don't if you noticed, but it's
been apparently it's been Halloween seasons since July fifth, that's when Melissa pronounced it.
Yeah, she's the best. I know you love Melissa too, She's
the best, But I she's so cool. I want to be your best.
I wish we lived in the same state. Oh, she has often
said about said that about you. And by the way, oh, Melissa
approved. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely, But I forgot
where I was going with that. But nonetheless, it's bewildering to me,
Like Melissa wants to go out and chase ghosts since she's scared to death the
bigfoots and just vice versa. For me, it's like I don't want to
mess around with things that you know, Like I see all these movies and
it plants ideas in my head about possession and losing your soul and whatever that
means, and and just horrifying visions in my head. I can deal with
giant eight men. Do you know any of the history of the building that
your museum is in? Very very little, very very little. Yeah,
I know only what the county told me, and they're so convoluted, such
a mess that I you know, you can't believe, but they're saying because
they don't have all the facts. They told me that no business has been
in my building since two thousand and four, and then yelled at me about
my permits. I say, what what you just told me? No one's
been in here since two thousand and four? Why are you yelling at me
about my permits? You know, and the address and stuff. But yet
I can name two or three other businesses that have been in my building since
two thousand and four before I showed up, so they don't know anything.
Was one in mortuary? No, there was a reptile museum, oh rah.
And a bakery. We have reptile ghosts, reptile baked goods. Yeah
perhaps, but yeah, reptile Actually maybe the reptiles did the baking of the
goods. So have you seen a ghost, Heather? I have never seen
a ghost. I've seen a shadow person, but I have never seen an
apparition. And I cannot believe it because I've been doing this for so long,
and I've feel like I've been in many situations where it could arise,
but I've never seen one. But you want to, I do. Yeah,
So the shadow person. Tell me about that. So I think I
was at Where was I? I was it? I was at some asylum.
I don't even remember where it was, maybe like upstate New York or
something, but it was down a hallway and it looked as if like some
type of shadow like peaked itself out into the hallway and then went back into
the doorway. It was. It happened super quick. But that's kind of
that's the that's one of the times I've seen a shatter person and one of
the first one of the times. Yeah, let me think, everything blurs
together, so I like to try to give details that let me think of
where the other one was. I think it was in a residential home.
We were doing a client case, and it was perhaps in a basement.
But it's always something that happens really quick, and you know, I'm always
like, oh, is it my ir light on my camera? But I
think this time I was. I was in the dark, and I had
like a small light source, and I saw just like a quick almost as
if something just like walks past you really quick and then you cut it out
of your peripheral vision. Yeah, that's what happened to Melissa here at the
museum. Yeah, well would you come out, We'll let you come in
the museum and poke around. I saw a shadow person. Yeah, what
was your situation? Way again around It's Bobo story, dude, He's going
to see some things that will blown classic scene. He's lying and he's going
a kid yill me high clear Once again, it's Bubo story. Any description
of felonious or criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes, and
is in no way admission of guilt or even true for that matter. I
lived in this house that was like super noisy, like dudes living there like
bachelors, seeing like music cranking all the time, blah blah blah. And
people would stay there so they hear stuff that I never had anything happening like
how over many years I was there till the day I was moving out,
and uh, we'd had a lot of burglaries and there was a home invasion
just down the street for the most a couple weeks before. I had my
shotgun loaded in my house and we were moving out that day, and had
this big hundred pound pitple that was a killer great watchdog. He was chilling
in the house with me and uh, it was. It was. It
was like I think the fourth was. Yeah, it was the fourth oldest
house in Arcada, California, and so you know, it was like one
hundred and thirty years old whatever, and we were I was loading up and
so it had the bathroom was on the northeast corner, and then southeast corner
was the big kitchen, and then going into the kitchen, went into the
dining room and living within on the right side of the houses was three bedrooms
like in a row, going down parallel to the living room. In the
dining room and the dining room we had had a big open door with probably
like eight foot yeah, it's probably about eight fot wide door. We had
a big quilt over it to keep the house warm in the front. And
I was sitting there it was like two in the afternoon whatever, and just
taking the shelves out of my shotgun, and I just see the blanket lift
up and then it was on the corner my eye. But I turned my
head as a turn I had to look. I see this like shadow lift
up the rug and go underneath me, ruing the blanket and go to you
know, flip it up and walk through and then the it flapped back down
and went like, you know, pretty dark in there again. I was
like, well, I go dd get him, and so I was chasing.
I ran out there and my nextra neighbors out there. He was using
our hose to flush his engine on his outboard on his boat, and he
was right like ten feet from the door, and DJ came running out.
I came running out of the shock and I'm like, do you see that
guy? You see that guy came out here? And he's like I was
centered another no one came out. Then I said, oh man, he
must have went in the bathroom. And I ran back and check the bathroom,
and then I thought maybe he went into the bathroom. Then when I
ran out the door and went he went back in through the house or so
I went that way and running around, ran out on the street looking like
nothing. There was nobody there, and I was and the guy's like,
what do you look like? And I'm like, it was just all black
and there was no like distinct feature stud It was just a black shadow.
But it was like lifted up the curtain and walked through and what do you
know what shadow? People they normally not need to do. They couldn't they
just normally walk through a wall or through a blanket like that. I have
heard stories, yeah, like sometimes they come from a wall or like a
solid material. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what. I don't
know. If it's just like a different way that a possible spirit materializes,
I don't know. But there's been connections too with like UFO cases where people
see shadow people. Yeah that wasn't this case. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. So
UFOs and shadow things might be related in some way. Yeah. I've definitely
worked with people who have had experiences where some type of like like abduction experien
is where they see some sort of being in their house outside somewhere, and
sometimes it appears as like a shadow and then they have like missing time or
something like that. And yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with that.
Now. Now again I'm not verse in all this stuff. I'm just
a silly, you know, ape guy. But am I right? Remembering
the word screen memory here is could it be something like that? Yeah?
Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely a thing where people have experiences like that,
and maybe they see. I know, something popular is when people see owls.
I think in a way just from you know, having all my experiences
with working with clients and haunted houses, and then kind of switching over and
working on client cases where people have had experiences seeing UFOs and then they go
in their house and they have activity happen that it seems like their house is
all of a sudden haunted, and it all kind of correlates when they have
seen these strange UFOs in the sky, or they had cattle mutilations on their
property, which are always associated with UFOs. So it's weird. But I've
definitely had people report shadow people in their house, whether it's after they see
a UFO or maybe after they get abducted or before they get abducted. You
have paid for that, no, Well. I did this series for Travel
Channel called Alien Highway. We traveled, you know, West coast, Midwest
to areas where there were like UFO flaps of you know, historical activity that
people then you know that the particular area was known for activity, and then
years decades later it kind of amps up again. So we would go to
places like that, and I did one case where a client he had an
abduction experience when he was seventeen that he never really talked to anybody about.
And he was actually later on in his life when we met him, he
was like, I think in his fifties. He lived on the Merrimack River
in Missouri, and he would see him and his wife would see these lights
and they kind of thought that they were being targeted by UFOs. They would
see balls of lights above trees, orange lights. They would have activity in
their house, and we brought in a hypnotherapist to sort of unlock, you
know, his repressed memories with all of this, and it was really weird
to see him go through it because it was obviously a very traumatic experience.
He missed two days of time, and he held that story in all of
his life and it was almost as if he was taken back to that time
when he was a teenager and he described, you know, he was walking
on the highway with one of his friends and all of a sudden, in
front of them, they were looking at like on the highway wall, these
these lights just lit up the wall and they turned around and then the next
thing they know, they saw this like craft and then they were in some
kind of room and they saw these creatures that had long heads, long necks,
big eyes, and next thing he knows, he was like in this
chair back to back with his friend, and then he described this being taking
him to the top of this mountain and pointing down at this city and pointing
down to the city lights and saying, these lights are bad. So through
his therapy session he kind of revealed this abduction, and then we were kind
of came to the conclusion that like he was having PTSD from this experience,
and every light he was seeing, whether or not it was someone's house or
it was a street light, or it was like an unexplained light, he
was associating. He was associating it with that experience he had when he was
young. It's like anist he turned into a shadow man in a way,
and just prefer a guy who shuns the light. Yeah. Yeah, So
that was really interesting to see. And I thought it was kind of interesting
that the name of the last name of the hypnotherapist. She'd never had done
any kind of alien session or anything, but her last name was Krueger,
like like Freddy Krueger, and I just thought that was kind of interesting.
I grew up on voar he's having me m you know what that's from?
Oh, yeah, Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, I claimed the famous that
when we were in high school was our buddy Chris's sister was Mandy Wiss.
She was the first person killed in the Nightmare on Elm Street series. She
was the girl that got slammed against the wall. And then her she's like
her, she gets dragged up the walls, like invisibly. She was topless
and she got draged up to the wall, to the roof ower like her
bed explodes in blood. Is that the I think she was like with a
dude in bed. And then yeah, she was with Johnny Depp. Johnny
Depp was in that. Yeah, that was his first movie. Rule I
didn't know that, Okay, yeah. Then she was also a Brad's girlfriend
in Fast Times at Richmond High and she goes, I think we should see
other people our senior year. That's funny. Oh you know what, No,
I think I was No, I'm wrong. Johnny Depp wasn't Nightmare on
Elm Street, but he wasn't in the room with her. It was that
other guy. Because I remember that other guy went to jail because they thought
he did it. Well, yeah, I think I think you're right,
But Johnny Depp was absolutely in. I think that I don't know if this
this first movie or not. I'm going to trust you on that one.
That's cool. So you went, you said you went to high school with
her, her little brother. Oh okay, but we all we all knew
we were like call in love with there. So so much of it seems
that so much of the paranormal stuff, whether it's ghosts or UFO stuff and
all that jazz, it relies very very heavily upon eyewitness testimony. And of
course the Bigfoot thing is also This is also true obviously, but I like
to take it a step further in Bigfoot, and I really prefer to focus
on physical evidence of any sort. So I'm curious over the many years and
probably hundreds and hundreds of investigations I assume that you've looked into and what sort
of physical evidence, if any, And maybe there's none, but I assume
there has to be some that have you seen either for some some sort of
ghosty sort of thing or perhaps a UFO E sort of thing. And I
don't know what that physical evidence might look like. It's an honest question,
and I'm curious about what sort of physical stuff have you run across. Well,
when it comes to physical like audible stuff, being locked in a location
with one other person and hearing the sounds of footsteps above you and it sounds
so real that you think someone broke into the house. That's happened to me
several times to where you you feel this. One location I was at,
I was sitting on the floor. It was an old nursing home called Malvern
Manner, and I was sitting on the floor and the floor was carpeted,
and I felt the sensation of someone walking around me to where I could see
and hear the carpet like like almost moving. It felt so real that I
thought someone was like walking around me. Other than that, I'd say i've
I've I've heard some pretty good EVPs to where it's it's an intelligent response to
a to a very specific question. For example, one time I was at
this really tiny jail in Texas somewhere, and I was in one of the
cells and I had asked the question, you know, I was just like,
oh, what did you do? And hear in your spare time,
like what were some of the things you did, and you hear this clear
voice, like a male's voice, say twice it said sleep sleep, And
there was like no like it wasn't us trying to like make something out of
nothing or find meaning and a noise. It was like no one was moving.
There were three of us sitting at a table and it was a direct
response and it said sleep sleep. And I have a recording of that somewhere
online. But those are a couple things. If that answers your question,
I know that there's more. I just have to really think. So you've
had these personal experiences and a few things recorded. I remember one time back
in the day when I first met like you know, Greg and Dana Newkirk,
for example, they did an episode of Finding Bigfoot with it and I
was saying, what's our paranormal blah blah blah, and they said, I
don't know, and they're being really cool to me, even though I was
so stubborn about it, and I still am but uh And I said,
well, of ghost only footprints and they said, well, actually, And
then they started telling me about these cases that they investigated were ghost left footprints,
And it sounds like this may have been one of those because of the
pressure on the carpet, would you say it falls in line with that sort
of thought. Yeah, I mean there there were no markings, but I
could see the carpet kind of moving. It just felt so real, and
I mean, no one was that close to me that it would have been
like that. And another experience relating to footsteps, which is such a very
common thing like happens like residually. But I was at Penhurst Asylum in right
outside of Philadelphia, and one of the buildings called the Mayflower Building. It's
where a lot of First of all, the people that were that were at
Penhurst were just people that were kind of reject from society. Maybe they had
a mental disability and their family didn't want them anymore, and so they put
them at this this state hospital. And it was really sad. People were
neglected overcrowding. And one of the specific areas where people were just shoved in
a room and it was so overcrowded was in the Mayflower Building and there were
these like little kind of office corridors where they would put you know, all
the patients. And I remember I was I was doing an episode of Portals
to Hell. I'm sorry, I never heard of that show. But that's
a great name. Yeah, it's kind of a feel good thing, right,
Yeah, yeah, Jack Osborne. And then my friend Katrina was on
it, and I was on an episode where they only needed me for like
part of it. So I was like, Okay, I'm going to go
into the Mayflower building because no one's in there, and I'm just going to
kind of walk around and see what happens. And I was upstairs and I
was just like trying to have a conversation, just trying to say something to
get a response. And I was standing there and I heard and this,
this is this multiple times. This has happened to me at this location.
But the floors are concrete, and it sounds like someone was shuffling their feet
and walking towards you, and then stopping and then shuffling their feet and walking
towards you, and you just have this overwhelming feeling that something is with you.
And that's happened to me and to multiple other people several times. But
that's a really scary feeling because it felt like there was something in there and
there was no explanation as to what was shuffling across the floor, no animals.
It was like someone was wearing solid shoes, and they were like hesitant.
They were like shuffling towards me, and then they would stop and then
shuffle towards me. And then that actually really frightened me, and I was
like, okay, I'm leaving and I just walked out of building. Sounds
absolutely horrifying. Yeah, what if they didn't we what do you think it
would happen? I don't know. A part of me should have just stayed,
but there's something super eerie about it. I just did not feel right.
I know exactly. I was just saying that earlier, so it doesn't
make sense, but for some reason it really irked me, and I just
I just was like, okay, I'm gonna go now, thank you,
and I just walked up. You know, I've spoken to a lot of
people about the Bigfoot thing, and you know, or told stories about things
that have happened to me, and people say, oh, I would have
done this, or if this happens to me, I would do this,
And back in the day, I was guilty of that as well. You
know, but nobody knows what you're really going to do until you're actually in
that situation. So like, okay, either you're a talented and experienced a
paranormal investigator. That happened, you left, and you're saying, why did
I leave? I don't know. You just never know what you're going to
do. And I'm sure there's a situation where I'm out there, this has
happened. I had a sasquatch near me, and I had a camera in
my hand. Now this is mind you back in ninety nine or two thousand
or something, a long time ago. But like, I left because I
was scared the hell out of me. Basically, you know, I scared
the hell out of me, and even though I was there for that purpose,
just you just never know what you're going to do until it happens to
you. So anybody out there is I would have done this. That's cute.
You keep thinking that. You keep thinking that until it happens to you,
and then you tell me what you actually did. It just felt so
real. It was just oh, I can still picture myself there. It's
so real. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. So you've looked into these shadow things
like ghosts and spirit and like, have you ever worried about. Melissa talks
about this, and only reason I know about it about something. What does
she say, attaching to you and then you bringing at home? Has that
ever happened? It's actually never happened to me, but it's happened to other
people I've worked with in the bar. Yeah, I situations. In the
early days of Paranormal State, I remember doing really serious cases and then some
of our cast members they all lived in a house together. I didn't,
I lived elsewhere. But after real serious cases, they would all have experiences
and it would seem like would follow them. But I've never had that happen.
I think there was one case where something happened in my hotel room,
but I mean, I don't know, maybe the room was haunted or I
don't know if it would pertain to the case. But I've never had anything
follow me. So that's good, and I hope it stays that way.
Yeah, that's one of the things that scares me the most about being even
tangentially involved in any of this is something following me home a bigfoot. Again.
I don't mind have them followed me back. I don't care. I
live in the Great habitat, but as far as like the ghost stuff or
I mean, and also here's another thing people throw around, the word demon.
It's like, why in the world are you messing with things that are
even suggested to be demons whatever that means, Like why do you go down
those roads as well? Or is there just no dividing line as far as
things that are spooking you can't see. So in the early days of Paranormal
State, we were one of the show, the earlier shows that went down
that road, and because you know, we worked with clients, we would
get hundreds of emails from people who, you know, they were terrified to
sleep in their home and some of it was some of it, I believe
was them manifesting things to happen. Maybe they were going through like a stressful
time and they were causing objects to move. That's definitely happened. But we
did deal with I was on a couple cases where we were dealing with people
that maybe in the past they had unresolved trauma which left them vulnerable and maybe
they never closed the doors to something. And we had a little lea some
cases like that that were kind of scary. But I was maybe only on
like two or three but it's definitely feels like a different vibe. I did
on one specific one. I remember we worked with Lorraine Warren a lot,
and I remember her giving this client a holy object and he reacted in like
a very negative way, and that was one of the first things I saw
where I was like, oh, like you could tell his eyes were like
changing. All I can say is you had to be there, which is
so dumb to say. But we definitely did some serious cases in our early
days. But I don't really deal with that anymore. I don't really take
on many client cases anymore. But did you ever feel like low self esteem
because you didn't get something follow you home? Did you ever feel like,
like, what's wrong with me? No? I never thought about that.
But I don't know. Maybe I'm too positive or something, or maybe somehow
I'm protected. I have no idea. You are a very positive person,
you radiate it, so maybe that has something to do with it. Yeah,
that's kind of the only thing unless they're just like, she's too weird,
We're not going to follow her, you know. So from doing these
paranormal conventions whatever cryptid and paranormal conventions, the one person who impressed me the
most, so I could tell like was like, I mean, she seen
has some real insights and really saw dead people and all that was Amy Brune.
Have you been out with her? You know, I've never worked with
her, but I've chatted with her at events. I'd love to work with
her. Yeah, she impressed me. Yeah, I think she. I
think she. I actually read her book and I remember her experience that kind
of got her into all this was really interesting pertending to I think how she
grew up in ye Johnny L. Tenney, Oh, I said, he
goes, Yeah, she's the most impressive one out of the thousand paranormalists he's
been out in the field. He said, she impresses him the most.
He said that she's absolutely he said, She's one of four people he could
say absolutely for sure is experiencing this stuff as she says she is. Yeah,
I believe it. Well, you know with that, why don't we
close this session down. We'll hop over to the member section because I have
a whole bunch of questions I want to ask you. You've been on a
bunch of TV shows. I want to know your general thoughts on paranormal TV,
if it's a good thing or bad thing, what direction it's going,
what it's like to work on these shows, because we have our own thoughts
on that we want to share with you. And then I want to know
such burning questions. As you know, I have some questions about roller skating,
and frankly, this whole language barrier that I experienced with my wife,
her being from Pittsburgh and me not being from Pittsburgh. I don't know what
the hell she's talking about. Sometimes that's the word she's using. So I've
got some questions about that too. You can help me with my marriage and
help the communication we have between us. So if you can stick around for
a member section, we really love it. But before we go, you
have a gig on Wednesday. Tell us about the gig on Wednesday and how
people can go see you. November ninth through the twelfth, I'm going to
an event in Virginia City, Nevada called Calm Con six. If anyone has
it been to Virginia City, Nevada, it's one of the coolest places ever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been there. Yeah, it's super
cool. And I'm doing an event there with a group called Soul Circle Paranormal
like Aaron Saeger's is going to be their shape. Oh he's been on the
show. He's a great guy. Yeah, so it's it's going to be
really fun. I'm looking forward to that fantastic. How do they get information
on that? There's a link on my website for it and on my social
media as well. But if you go to Soul Circle Paranormal dot com and
go to their events tab, it has all the information for tickets there.
All right, So those links are going to be in the show notes here
and you can look down below. If you're listening to this on YouTube and
for any more information about these events or Heather in general, you go to
Heathertatty dot com. That's Ta d d Y is the last name, Heathertatty
dot com. Heather, thank you so much for taking some time for us.
We really appreciate it. Thanks Heather. Yeah, no problem, Bubbo,
take us out of here and we'll hop over to the members section.
All right, folks, thank you Heather Taddy for showing up and lightening us
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