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The opinions expressed by Chayo Busquets are
supported by his extensive experience as a family

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therapist and in the previous analysis of
the cases presented here welcome, that is,

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Chayo Contigo in Joya. We begin
to be all very welcome here in

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Chayo Contigo with this program that I
have been announcing to you and that today

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in the morning I put you in
networks because the truth is that a super

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program awaits us and we have two
guests that last time you came together,

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you received them in a way that
we had to repeat the program at a

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very close date. They' ve
ordered the podcast everywhere. And the truth

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is that I told my companions a
long time ago my guests have already arrived

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who come the dynamic do. So
they said ah we' re going to

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tell them the dynamic DOE, because
the truth is they both have really important

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resumes. And today, which is
World Down Syndrome Day, we' re

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going to dedicate this program to talking
about the implications of Down syndrome from the

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specialties of these two women. Since
you' re the recent acquisition, Tita,

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I' m going to introduce you
first because I ali already is from

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home and then give that kindness to
you. Tita Miranda Meléndez is orthopedist,

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skull, maxillofacial and orthodontist. She
graduated from the Hospital de la UNAM del

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Infantil de México, Federico Gómez and
is certified by both specialties. It has

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a certification in São Paulo, Brazil, in preventing malocclusions in the baby,

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that is, it sounds like who
knows what that truth is. Well let

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' s know a little bit in
Colombia. Diploma in orofacial functions for the

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neurodevelopment of the child, Diploma and
certification in dental medicine of sleep, bruxism

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and dysfunction of temporomandibular joints post covid
He has a master' s degree and

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is a PhD in science As much
of what is dedicated is the importance of

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prenatal and postnatal dental diagnosis, in
pregnant mother and in baby respiratory disorders of

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sleep in the child. And,
on the other hand, good to dear

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Dr Joali, with whom we even
spoke recently. You' ll tell us

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how they did at the Fest Slip
Fest. She' s involved in sleep

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medicine. She is a clinical care
coordinator, a PhD in biological and health

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sciences from the Metropolitan Autonomous University.
He holds a master' s degree in

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medicine and dream physiology from the Pablo
de ola Ola Vilde University in Seville,

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a master' s degree in human
microbiota in monk from Spain and a diploma

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in polysopnography from the Mexican Society for
Dream Research and Medicine. She is an

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oceanologist for the Latin American Federation of
Dream Societies, which is certified by a

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research society in Europe related to this
dream. Welcome both of you. Thank

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you very much, very good afternoon
to all. This waits, I hope

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we leave something in you. Well
it' s the day of the child

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down It' s a congenital disease, it' s called trisomia twenty-

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one and we know that they are
very loved children and well, from what

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age, since when we can detect
this from the prenatal stage. We can

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give that support when the gynaecologist gives
the papillos that news which, of course,

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is not very pleasant. But from
there we can work from motivation and

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prepare them emotionally for what there is
much to do, much to study for

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when it arrives. That one should
give you the best attention in the medical,

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psychological and mainly affective aspect and what
it is, love. And we

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have many things to do to guide
that growth and development the most harmonious,

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the most functional and for a better
quality of life, without any doubt.

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No doubt, thank you very much, Tita. The reality is that a

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joali impact does not receive such news
definitely because I greet first of all all

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those who listen to us. Thank
you very much for the invitation. I

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' m always delighted to be here
on your show and, yes, today,

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the idea is to talk a little
bit about sleep disorders in this population,

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in patients with down syndrome. Indeed, then, a strong news,

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but as well says, tita with
a proper accompaniment, not a orientation,

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We can greatly improve the quality of
life of the patient with Dawn syndrome as

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well as the family. No and
from my trench, because if we get

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the patient to sleep well, also
to have a positive impact on the whole

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family, without any doubt, today
they asked me three questions that I shared

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on social networks. You knew that
establishing normal orofacial and nasal functions improves the

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quality of life of the Dan child. We can intervene for these functions of

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these little ones and why the dream
in the Dawn child is affected. Let

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' s get into matter what are
normal orofacial and nasal functions. What'

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s that good. All humans have
these functions that are basic, which are

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nasal breathing, deglusion, suction,
chewing and sleep, all two. This

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is going to reverberate into a good
dream. That of tarme, swallowing,

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swallowing the breath is just inhaling and
exhaling through the nose or aha. Chewing,

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which should be bilateral and alternating when
already have teeth babies ok and that

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starts at six months with complementary feeding
and and what sleep is. All this

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is going to reverberate into the dream. So, if one of these functions,

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mainly what is breathing and declusion,
that are affected in this type of

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patients, of these little ones,
if these two begin to work since they

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are born, they are going to
damage all the other functions and they are

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going to have alterations in their sleep
and in their neurodevelopment. Okay now,

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jolly, why those two are so
important, I say in all, but

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in a child it consumes clearly that
yes, well look. There are several

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factors. Let' s not leave
after birth, once the little ones with

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daun syndrome are born they have this
hypotonia characteristic of the first few weeks signs

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is of life, which have the
muscle tone very very relaxed. I mean,

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they don' t have the same
strength. This hypotonia will make it

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very difficult for them to breastfeed and
get breast milk. And we already know

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what we talked about last time how
the process of feeding us mother' s

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milk will strengthen many of the muscles
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structure so that a baby breathes through
the nose not and can swallow. And

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all this that tells us is also
another characteristic of these patients who have this

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apparent hypoglosia. They have a very
large, apparent tongue because they actually have

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a deficiency in maxillary development. But
this makes or locates a little little constanned

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even as you see it I am
with open mouth yes and with the law

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or outside you can see their tongue, because it does not fit them.

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Then this big tongue also makes them
impossible. They are very complicated, both

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breathing and breastfeeding. Not when I
was being nursed, because it completely sticks

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to the mother' s breast and
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not practically at the same time.
Time if you can' t do this,

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then start making it difficult. And
what unfortunately usually happens, is that

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we just give up. Not that
we want to try, because it is

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very exhausting both for the baby and
for the mother, not the not achieving

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this attachment to the maternal feeding,
then it is like good, because I

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give it formula And unfortunately, because
this will have repercussions in the medium and

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long term for this not vitor.
Also, remember that little kids with Dawn

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syndrome can have congenital heart disease and
then a respiratory disorder during sleep alone already

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presents us with a cardiovascul risk So, imagine if they also have this heart

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disease factor, because in reality we
have to get the kids with syndrome to

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breathe properly not have respiratory disorders during
sleep, because thus we will reduce the

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risk to the heart that is in
itself a population that already has a risk

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to the heart. No. And
finally, the theme as neurodevelopmental learning behavior.

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We don' t already know that
in neurotypical children, that is,

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they don' t have down syndrome, because if they don' t sleep

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well they' re going to have
delayed development in learning they' re going

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to be aggressive. The same is
going to happen in a patient with down

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syndrome that in addition, are characteristics
that by their own syndrome already suffer.

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Not then are they going to exacerbate
this delay in neurodevelopment ok tita. At

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the time a baby is born,
parents have previously known or are not born

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with down syndrome. The first tensions
have to go in this sense of breathing

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and the handling of your tongue.
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his muscles are flaccid. Aha We
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it is already a central problem.
But we can work that muscles both facial

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the chewing muscles from that first birth
precisely so that it has and breastfeeding plays

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a very important role there for that
development and that language we have to place

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in the normal position for everyone,
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That same language is going to be
an organ that will help your palate grow,

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but also that that face that they
have eh they specific as submissive,

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allows a forward and transversal development so
that you can have a change to those

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characteristics that you usually have that it
is better. And then there are patients

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who have been cared for from birth
to adolescence and have their faces changed.

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These facial characteristics are not so accentuated, that is, it helps part of

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the function, it helps its facial
harmony and therefore, that gives some and

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realize others, to the same dads, they realize that facial change, which

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is aesthetic and also has to see
eh for their social environment. No doubt

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about it. Well, let'
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said, all these skills and how
they get better. And we had another

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question over here that we' re
going to talk about. You knew that

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early attention helps your facial development and
growth and neurodevelopment by improving facial traits.

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What were you saying? Yes and, therefore, impact needs social life.

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So we always have to look for
the integral. And since I' m

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going in full to see I came
out a little bit you' ve already

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made it perfectly clear to us in
many programs that the dream has a shocking

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impact on people' s lives.
It doesn' t have to be that

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we do when we finish all our
earrings, but it would have to be

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part of the to- do list
and fulfill its hours. And the last

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time they came, they were both
talking about how that' s impacting the

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whole development of the children. Why, in particular or here we would have

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to with children with symnomes give a
greater emphasis on sleep. Of course,

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Ochayo, because look at dendr I
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disorders. If we compare a neurotypical
population with children with dao syndrome, we

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will realize that there is a greater
complaint about their way of sleeping. What

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' s most important is insomnia.
They are not little ones who cannot sleep

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mostly intermediate insomnia which means that they
are waking up many times throughout the night.

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They will also have, as we
already wish at the beginning, respiratory

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disorders during sleep that will condition them
to have a lot of drowsiness during the

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day. Remember that if we'
re snoring, if we don' t

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breathe well, we' re not
really resting and then in the day these

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patients are going to refer to a
lot of somnolence. And well, finally,

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we' re also going to see
circadian rhythm disorders. There are many

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patients who are sleeping at inadequate times, especially if they may not be in

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school, who are fortunately more and
more already in school. That' s

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a huge breakthrough. Our society before, because you will remember that it was

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not so, they did not have
at home and then not having fixed activities

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combined with that they have alterations in
the liberation of Melatonin, because it also

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makes this particular population have rhythm disorders, that is, they sleep at absolutely

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inadequate times. No, in addition
to that part of his behavioral characteristics includes

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some features such as obsessive compulsive disorder. Then they are patients who start drawing,

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for example, No and suddenly,
because they don' t want to

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stop doing it. And then the
parents, because they also say well,

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nothing happens that entertained. All right, he likes it He enjoys it.

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No, and suddenly, then,
we see patients sleeping at 3: 00

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in the morning and waking up at
1: 00 in the afternoon. Not

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all of this, in the end
it' s going to be that sleep

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isn' t normal and that these
little ones don' t get all the

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benefits of sleeping properly. So we
know that, because of the characteristics of

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the syndrome, they' re going
to be delayed in neurodevelopment. For example,

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the acquisition of language is going to
be late, they will also walk

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a little bigger all in general the
milestones of neurodevelopment that we normally measure in

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newborns until the first years of life, because they will acquire it yes,

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but a little later. If you
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sleep badly. We have already talked
about how when we do not sleep well,

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we affect our development. We affect
the way our brain grows. Remember

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that during sleep new neurons are generated
and these new neurons are connected in order

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to learn. No, then,
if these patients don' t sleep well,

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in particular, the delay in neurodevelopment
is going to be even more severe

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and the behavior isn' t a
little too. They are also patients who,

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suddenly, may be a little more
intolerant, more irritable, even in

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some cases, may be a little
more aggressive when they are very tired.

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No. And so, finally,
if they cannot sleep, because this intolerance

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will be exacerbated, then it must
be resolved. Of course, Tita,

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yes, I' m getting it
right, and what I said to us

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alli in one of the previous segments, this impression that people have when we

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meet a child council doesn' t
give me that the language is very big.

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He was actually telling us it has
nothing more to do with that structure

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and I don' t know what
the right way is. You' ll

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say, it' s not wide
enough for the tongue to fit everything.

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A child with Dawn syndrome is going
to have these characteristics. Yes, those

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characteristics, because, as we know, they have the eyes of a type

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of almond, which is the part
of the middle third, which is below

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the eyes. The lower third is
submerged, there is a sinking, a

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lack of development and also a nose
where it is from the in intrauterine stage

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and through ultrasound there is a flattening
of the bones proper to the nose that

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this from there, therefore, will
affect that breath. So, these characteristics

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of lack of development of the maxilla
will affect both the functions that we commented

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on and by not having this maxilla
in front of the jaw. As is

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normal, the jaw is the lower
part. Sometimes, when inverted, that

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maxilla is trapped, that middle third
and the jaw develops and the upper part

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is behind. So that' s
gonna affect the fact that there' s

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no good breathing. In other words, you can see how prognates are seen,

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even sometimes a prognatism or pseudo prognatism
develops. So, the earlier we

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start that job since we were born, from day one. We should work

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with neoanatologists to give this counseling,
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the soro facial and chewing muscles from
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monitoring that growth and development so that
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And if children have arrived that young
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where they have a facial harmony,
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suction, a lip seal where there
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tongue is in place, which are
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facial valves that allow air in and
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a device that just came out,
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has them in order, we'
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to the teen Tter. I'
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baby was born and beyond what is, offer me medical service or not.

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I have to be careful here.
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s a job here. Ideally,
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Mom, because they' re the
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work and they' re going to
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start from day one, as I
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will observe in my little one with
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we call bruxism. It' s
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is a problem of the central nervous
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it. One breathing through the mouth, two that may have gastrointestinal alterations,

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such as chronic gastroesophageal reflux that also
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the stress is true, then that
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will affect your sleep. So,
there' s an alarm tip. What

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do we have to do as parents
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already told them, because they should
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beyond the teeth where they will be
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preparing for the baby to arrive in
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to encourage breastfeeding and, together with
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Nothing else here is the function of
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torino, gynecologist, pediatrician and sleep
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So, uh, get those functions
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are some exercises that we have to
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dose, do a smooth movement of
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sleeping, so that that tongue has
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pressure and that same tongue gives function
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gently, so that that muscle,
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the lips, has a better seal
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milk or food. All this is
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job, but it gives very good
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not sleep for this, this bruxism, since they have teeth, is going

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to damage so the teeth, muscles
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and that pain also generates awakenings and
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Joalice is going to comment on this
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uh, I think the main point
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have all the tools that can help
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However, well, despite this,
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and the answer is no longer the
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because these little ones are going to
grow up and have some other sleep

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disorder or the same breathing disorder during
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be alert to? Well, if
I see that my child is very sleepy,

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very agitated, not to say that
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she has sudden sudden sudden movements that
she feels asleep. Not all of these

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are movements that indicate that he may
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at night, he may not be
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to sit down, because it helps
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if he snores not this we'
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is not normal at any age,
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or anything. So, well,
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I know there' s a respiratory
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you sweat a lot, if you
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' t have this Sfinter control.
It is also related and we have other

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treatments that, although they are no
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mnea of sleep and we have to
talk about them also now like what we

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have to do, what we have
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to maximize the development that each child
given Now yes, that has given his

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syndrome of gives a personalized not that
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but then within what it can achieve, that reaches as much as it

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can definitely and then looks just before
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will need more specialized treatments to correct
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with down syndrome are patients who are
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perhaps they have ever heard them as
if paps that are these equipment that

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help us breathe while we are asleep. It is a mask that is placed

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in the nose, ideally only in
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promote nasal breathing, but there are
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that connect to a team that makes
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oxygen, because it doesn' t
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air in such a way that,
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obstructed while we' re asleep.
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patients with Down syndrome. They'
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to sleep, but once they use
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the mnea. They are going to
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because it will diminish or even disappear. Then you will have more energy,

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more willingness to do things better,
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it is necessary to consider and also
consider possible plans, possible surgical treatments to

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correct sleep m, not like,
for example, migdallectomy, which is one

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of the techniques that is most used
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You have to be open to these
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not as if you' re talking
good sleep, it changes everyone'

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s life and more patients. With
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doubt, eh what would you complete
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or that you have to avoid doing
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nazar washing From little ones and even
the otorrinos handle a nasal wash and bigger,

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teach them to give it the function
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blow their nose and that out there
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E. This is becoming a habit. And we send signals to the brain

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because we have a neuroplasticity so that
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nasal and not vocal. Chewing is
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One more throw of hard, fibrous
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because we do a lazy chewing.
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chewing is going to be for the
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properly, which are going to allow
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than not us, right, then
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on uh, the lipstick and no
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And the other, the tongue at
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Yeah, and that same tongue on
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more effective. Coming back from the
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we have right now, uh,
how it helps a mom, a dad,

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a kid when she realizes he'
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and good at almost closing the TITA
program. What would you add to what

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we have been commenting on, because
we need to raise awareness not only about

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children but about most of our children. We have to have a great job

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as dads so they have a good
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help neurodevelopment and its quality of life. We' ve been programming since we

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were pregnant, that organ formation,
including the brain, the system, respiratory

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digestive. We have all this that
we have discussed in this session. We

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have a lot to do because they
are the future adults who are going to

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be snorers, who will be able
to predispose to diabetes, hypertension, pro

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cardiovascular problems, vascular brain. Then
you have to give him that courage.

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Our country is not yet conscious.
We see these undervalued topics and hopefully,

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let us pay a lot of attention
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' s Joali, so look,
I' d like to share two ideas.

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The first is to seek help.
Not if they' ve already had

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a prenatal diagnosis, and they'
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syndrome. I think it' s
good to start looking for groups, looking

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for medical help, getting informed,
because, if we know it well,

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if it' s sometimes not easy
with neurokinetic babies, then imagine when there

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' s a special syndrome. We
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but sometimes I insist with neurotypical children, it' s not easy to breastfeed

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and sometimes, because we decided to
change it for formula, then imagine a

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mother who is even more difficult to
achieve breastfeeding with a baby down syndrome than

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in addition, because she feels this
obligation to feed her by this way to

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avoid future problems. The stress this
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It is not easy and the reality
is that there are many people who

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can guide them. You can help
us from breastfeeding counselors to neonatologists who can

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offer us this information that we don' t have at hand and alone sometimes

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we can' t and you go
to get help. And my second very

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quick point is although respiratory disorders in
children with down syndrome are the most frequent.

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There are other sleep disorders. There
is a lot of insomnia, many

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bad sleep habits that with a fairly
simple behavioral intervention, that we work directly

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with parents, we can see radical
changes in patients' behavior. Then also

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approach to look for sleep specialists to
advise you according to what number you are

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found in. In fifty- five, forty- three, ninety, seventy

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- six, sixteen and fifty-
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five, seven, one, five, perfect. We' re putting it

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on social media. As always joali
where they find you. Sure, I

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' ll give you the phone from
the Sleep and Neuroscience Center. Remember that

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there we have all the sleep medicine
specialists that are required. It' s

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fifty- five, six, three, twenty- six, nine hundred,

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nine, four, six. For
I thank them as always for their willingness

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to come to the program, because
they are subjects to follow and follow and

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continue and continue to play and raise
awareness to know, above all, and

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if you have a syndrome, it
gives a good fence, because knowing that

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it is not that it was born
and so it stays. We cannot enhance

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its development much more so that it
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So I thank you infinitely and I
leave you today and have a very good

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profit. We hear each other here
tomorrow, tomorrow, Friday, the last

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day of school and, therefore,
from today, a lot of patience for

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tomorrow until then. Audio Central

